Nuance is the new N-word - Mark Normand
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Summary
Comedian Mark Norman joins Jemele to discuss his new son, Francis, and how comedy has changed him since becoming a dad. He also talks about his new job as a night nurse, and why he thinks other people could use a baby.
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Hey, I'm on no sleep, but I'm glad to be away from my family.
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Yeah, we were just talking before we started of how like the cuteness of the baby is what
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Ah, well, I got a Jamaican lady coming at night for a different reason.
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This Jamaican lady comes in and she's pretty great because my wife will be like, I'm sad.
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And I'm like, can't argue with the old school black lady.
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But looking forward to the sleeping through the night, but we'll get to that.
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Has it made you, like, I don't know about, for me, it made me slightly more empathetic,
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which for me was a result because I was starting with a very low base.
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So yeah, way more empathetic, way less selfish because you just, it's not about you anymore.
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You want to sleep, but you go, he's got a shitty diaper.
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You know, you meet all these cum guzzlers on the street who are just selfish.
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And I feel like the next generation is all about me, me with the selfie and the TikToks.
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He needs to get on that journey and he's not there.
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But yeah, I will say, I'm not one of these like, you got to have a kid.
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So are you going around now evangelizing for babies?
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But I do think it makes your life a little more fulfilling.
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And when it comes to the comedy aspect of it, has it changed the way you do comedy?
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Have you now become more sensitive and think, I'm not going to open with the pedo joke?
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But I guess it's, I don't want to be the dad comic.
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So I'm trying to like, stay, have my voice while talking about the kid.
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But if you think about a dad comic, I kind of get what you mean by that.
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But also the dad comic was some of the greatest comedians of all time.
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Actually, never convicted, never, he's not guilty.
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No, he was found guilty at the court, but then.
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No, I'm claiming he's not guilty because I know that he got overturned.
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So are you saying he's a victim of a miscarriage of justice?
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I mean, I'll tell you what, I've put a hell of a stake in the ground, haven't I?
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Now, look, in fairness, if you're right, it's going to be quite, it's going to be a revelation
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to the audience of Trigonometry, I would imagine, right?
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Freed off the top court, overturned sexual assault conviction.
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That's the thing is, I feel like, I know this is supposed to be a sheriff's show, but I
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That's not a conviction in court, but it's not that far off.
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If it's like, oh, if it's double digits, so maybe there's some truth to it.
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Getting 10 women to work together like that is pretty fucking hard.
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And they all had the same story, which is not good either.
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One could say, actually, inspired Richard Pryor.
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Richard Pryor, who obviously when he started, was a Bill Cosby tribute act.
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But anyway, Louis C.K., they are dad comedians, is my point.
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Bilber, Louis, Chris Rock, Chappelle, all dads.
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They put the word dad in front of something in a slang term to denigrate it.
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No, but see, moms are venerated and so they should be.
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But my point is, the father is sort of denigrated, isn't he?
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I mean, you know, where if we go, hey, I'm tired, people go, shut up, suck it up, you pussy.
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Because I kind of like, on the one hand, I'm kind of laughing along and go, oh, that's really
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On the other hand, that's actually what I believe.
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But like Johnny Depp, he got accused of beating Amber Heard.
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He went through like all this trial, all this public attack, and then he proved he was
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Look, no one, no one pat you on the back and goes, oh, sorry you went through that, buddy.
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And then people talk about Men's Mental Health Week or Men's Mental Health Month Week.
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And you're like, well, actually, I feel like everybody hates us.
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So you want me to have feelings as long as you approve of them?
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And where do you think comedy is at the moment, Mark?
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And but the past few years, it seemed as if everything was kind of regressing.
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You know, even Mike Ward in Canada getting arrested for a joke.
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Like, I just did the Chicago theater, which is a pretty big room in Chicago.
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And I was talking to the the booker or the producer, whatever it is.
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And he was like, I got to tell you, I've been working here 50 years.
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So comic people just didn't go out and see comedy.
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Like you had Dice Clay and Steve Martin maybe doing arena here and there.
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But now it's like Andrew Schultz is at the Garden.
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Like watching his latest special, you'd think like wokeness never happened.
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Like we're so over it in comedy, especially in America.
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Well, I think we learned because the Internet will come at you hard and you go, oh, my God,
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And then we learned like, yeah, they all talk and then it goes away.
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You know, so we were scared of the Internet for a while.
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And now we all go, ah, the Internet's going to talk.
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Look, I'm just going to keep saying whatever I want.
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You know, let's not pretend like that wasn't a thing.
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I'd be writing jokes going, what if they see that?
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So I have friends who lost jobs because of this.
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I mean, a professor lost a job for saying, ladies and gentlemen, you're misgendering or whatever.
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Remember that truck driver who got in trouble for doing this in a photo?
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But now, especially in this country, it feels like we're through the other side completely.
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And I think just even if it does, if you do get some shit, just keep going.
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I think now people have got a strategy for surviving.
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I think the people who went through it in the early days, like a friend of ours called Daniel O'Reilly, Dapper Laughs, and he was cancelled.
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He was one of the first comedians cancelled in the UK.
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Because they clipped a bit of him and put it out of context when he was doing some crowd work.
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But part of, and he's now back and better than ever, and he's incredible.
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But I think the thing was, the difficulty Dan found, and he spoke to me about this, is that when he was going through it, there was no template for, A, what the hell he was experiencing, because that never really happened in that way before.
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And number two, what's going to happen, and most importantly, you're going to get out of it and you're going to be fine.
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It's this onslaught of hate, and we're not used to that.
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When that guy was going through that, no one ever goes, oh, like, the left is supposed to be so compassionate.
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We've got to help the minorities, help the homeless, help this.
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But this guy went through hell, almost killed himself, and they're like, hey, you'll be all right.
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It's funny how white people don't have feelings.
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Yeah, it's, that's an interesting point where they, it felt there was one moment.
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I remember when the phrase stale, pale, and male was being bandied about.
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Yeah, and then that was just being brandished and, you know, knocked about wherever you went,
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I saw it on this girl's bag, stale, pale, and male.
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And you go, would you be able to do that to anyone else?
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And it's just funny, too, because if you go, actually, I'm Cuban, they go, oh, my God,
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Like, just because I have a little bit of melanin or a little bit of flavor in my 23 and
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It's so stupid and so ignorant, and I'm glad we're, my friend, he's a black guy, and he
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He goes, I bet in 20 years, we're going to go back on the internet and see all the people
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who sh** on white people, and we're like, you can't do that.
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All the white guy hate will be, like, a fireable offense in 20 years.
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You know, because everything, we think we can predict, but, like, everything's so f**king
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So you think the whole thing is swinging in a different direction?
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It's, it's f**king, it's like a clock just doing this.
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Like, anything, like, no one thought Trump was going to be a president in 2005 when he's
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We've, we've been in America for a few days, so we're only getting the lay of the land.
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Like, what do you see since the new administration's come in, in terms of, like, the culture and
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Uh, well, I try to, I'm not, I'm not the smartest political guy, but, uh, it looks like the left
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You know, the paddles at that, uh, State of the Union, you know, they had the paddles picked
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So, Trump gave a big speech, as every president does, and the left wing wouldn't ever stand
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up, and then they, like, held up paddles to say, like, um, Elon steals, or to impeach
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And then, like, Roseanne flew to Ireland, because she's like, I'm getting out of here.
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That's your big answer to fighting the bad guy, is to leave?
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So, it just seems like, and the approval rating is very low with the left, and I'm not saying
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I'm just saying the left, when I grew up, the left was, like, the normal, it was, like,
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And the right was, like, don't get an abortion, uh, you can't say this, and, you know, we gotta
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have, uh, everything be this way, and white is right, and all that, and religion all day
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And now, it feels like the left is like, where are we at?
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He just came out and said that trans sports is unfair.
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And you're like, but you championed it for years, and now you're just flipping?
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Do you think he feels like, the moment's changed, and I'm gonna swing with it?
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I don't think he just changed his mind like that.
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I think the, he sees where the wind is blowing, which is why, left or right, all these guys
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You really are seeing a lot of that, aren't you?
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Like, if you, if you assume that these people are operating on principle, you're finding out
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That that isn't, that's not, that is not what's going on here.
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And so these people are like, Biden's my guy, or Trump's my guy, I'm like, your guy's
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He'll still pull a, push a button and blow up a bunch of brown people.
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They're all, they all just say what they got to say.
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Like, Kamala's for fracking, and she's not for fracking.
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She worked at McDonald's, but we found out she didn't work at McDonald's.
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Some lady who lied about, and what's so good about working at McDonald's?
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Like, why do I need my president to work at McDonald's?
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But it's all just, it shows you it's all image.
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I'm a man of the people, or a lady of the people.
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Yeah, it's actually a profound point, because the people, you know, politicians who try-
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But it's also, you know, just because I can't relate to you doesn't mean you're not going
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Actually, it does mean, if you relate to me, you should not be president.
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Well, you could be very political with that in the current climate.
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Any Jew joke I post online just skyrockets, by the way.
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Remember I said the clock is just flipping, the pendulum.
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... told you Kanye West would be a Nazi, that would wear a t-shirt with a swastika on it,
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I don't know that you would have believed them.
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If you went to a time machine, you'd be blown away.
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If you went back in time and told everybody, they'd go, you're f***ing nuts.
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Or trying to indict a president for sleeping with a porn star.
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And I remember hearing that story and going, yeah, that makes sense.
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But I still feel like Hunter Biden got up to shit.
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That is just out of someone's overwritten book.
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And then they found cocaine in the bathroom of the White House.
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Do you think this is going to be America being great again?
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And you know, like, you know, in Ukraine, gay marriage is illegal.
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Which you're like, hey, put that on your flag, everybody.
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So like, yeah, everybody thinks Ukraine is this like poor underdog.
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Like we talk about how racist we are and all this.
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But, you know, all these all these minorities and brown people want to come here.
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It's a bunch of young people who it's like having a rich mom and dad where you're like, fuck you, mom and dad.
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Then you go back to your amazing room with every Nintendo and game system and giant TV and millions of dollars and a nice car and pool in the backyard.
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You're like, if you went to El Salvador for 10 minutes, you'd fucking kill yourself, you know, but they just go, oh, it's all hard.
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I still I love America, but it's so funny, this place to me.
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But it's something as simple as I can have a coffee.
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But I'm saying in Europe, in Europe, that's like an extra large.
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Oh, if somebody in Europe, if he ordered one of them in a coffee shop, I'd be like, he's weird.
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I had a large today and it was, you know, bigger than that.
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We had to invent a drug that made people smaller because we're all so fucking fat.
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But there's got to be something with the food because it can't just be portion size.
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And then you look at videos of us in the 80s and we're all thin.
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And if you were fat, it was like, look at this guy.
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But do you remember at school there was a fat kid?
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But you walk around now and it just seems like Americans are just getting bigger and
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And we spend the most on health care and everyone is the unhealthiest.
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But I think those two things are exactly related.
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Because you are the most unhealthy, you spend the most on health care.
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Like, when we are here for two weeks, we try to be very careful with food and we still
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You can just drink water here and you come back fat.
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Well, that's why RFK, you're like, people, he's a kook.
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You shouldn't go around killing people, but our health care system is broken.
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So, as much as that guy's wrong, we should look into this whole system.
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Like, the Froot Loops aren't even, they're not legal in Canada, our Froot Loops.
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Froot Loops has a certain dye in it that makes them pop more, the color, in America.
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It just makes it more colorful, but I think it's also harming our bodies.
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We want the fucking crust with pizza in it, or cheese in it, our pizza.
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We have pork, a pork chop with bacon around it, or whatever.
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It's because you walk around, and then everything that is done well in Europe has been taken to about level 342.
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That's a cup of Red Bull that we put a shot of Jaeger in and drink it.
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So, I've had Jaeger bombs, but I didn't realize it was an American thing.
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Well, all the good stuff is exported from America.
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That's where you take, I guess it's heroin and coke.
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Yeah, you need the up and the down at the same time.
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But, like, would you want to do comedy anywhere else?
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This is the best place to live, I think, for comedy.
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There's a lot of people now in Austin who are...
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That's true, but we could do the Austin argument all day.
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I think it's, like, one of the top clubs in the country.
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After all that, it's still a smaller city with not a lot of other options for comedy.
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So, people talk about it as this great scene, and it is, but it's really linchpinning on
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You take that out, whereas New York has 11 comedy clubs, you know, multiple theaters,
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arenas, all this stuff, so I don't think this is even an argument.
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And is it also as well, look, you go to Austin, and actually, I really like Austin.
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And the thing I like the most about it are the people.
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I think the Austinites are just charming and warm and really polite and friendly and
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But that's not going to make you funny, is it, Mark?
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And the weather's nice, and the girls are pretty, and all that, so I'm with you.
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But I will say, Austin's is a beautiful thing, because it's right in the middle of the country,
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right at the bottom middle, and it's kind of got the best of everything, and everyone's
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In L.A., everybody's too, hey, man, what's shaking?
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Well, you got to do what you got to do, you know?
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But in Austin, it's like, everyone's perfectly in the middle, and it's a lot more sane there.
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Long Island's on fire, you got North Carolina, L.A.
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There's been more, there were more plane crashes at this time last year than this year.
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But we're seeing more of them now, because, like, DEI and female pilots, everybody makes
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So everybody's like, planes are falling out of the sky.
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But actually, more fell out of the sky last year.
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Yeah, and then once you make a narrative, a headline, and a story, then you can monetize
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We'll just give everybody the model of how to do that.
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Now there's loads of people that are just making millions.
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I always say fires are the new school shootings in America.
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Well, if you're going to do it, do it the old-fashioned way.
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That's the difference between a country with history and no history.
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Well, I always say stabbing is like breaking up with someone in person.
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Shooting someone in a school, that's breaking up via text.
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It's like, you know, it's a very American thing to do.
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We want more, and it's not necessarily quality.
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And to stab someone, you've got to put the work in.
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But, Mark, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show.
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I just, there are times where I just think, I don't think I could live here because it's
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Well, let me say, America is like your crazy, drunk, psycho friend.
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But every time there's a world conflict, who do they call?
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Hey, we got a war going on with Gaza and Palestine.
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You are kind of the elder brother that we all bitterly resent.
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And that's, that's, and I don't think people emphasize this enough.
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A bunch of hairy armpitted ladies smoking a cigarette.
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And sometimes what worries me is that, and I get why Americans are sick of it.
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I get why you're sick of sending money and losing troops, you know, to, to war zones and
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But I just sometimes feel that a world where America, and I'm not talking about interventions,
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but is seen as a big brother, is preferable to everything else.
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We have 350 million people of many different races.
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A lot of people, many immigrants, it's going to, it's going to be friction.
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But I think what Francis is saying is like America being in that position is a lot better
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for everybody, including Americans than if China was in that position or Russia was
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We just don't call them out because we don't want to look anti-Asian.
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I mean, all I see on the news is like Muslim fistfights and girls getting ripped and all
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I've never seen those gestures done with those subjects.
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Well, it's nice to know that we're not the only ones that are fucked up.
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I mean, look, I know the news, again, everything's extreme.
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I heard a guy said a Facebook post and he got arrested.
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You think we got too nice and people took advantage?
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I think we've just had incredibly poor leadership for the last 15 years, Mark, who have just been pursuing policies that are ultimately destructive to the nation.
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And if you're wondering why the tone has changed, it's because we're talking about the UK.
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We've just, you know, just had poor leadership.
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Should I bring this up or should I steer clear?
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And you see that with people when they first arrive,
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especially Americans, and you look and you see history, Mark.
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But, you know, and that gives it a sense of, you know, gravitas.
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And it's just sad to see it kind of making the wrong choices.
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I mean, for us, our political system is very different to yours.
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So it's a lot harder for any new voice to come through.
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All he had to do is put himself forward and start.
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Like in the UK, you have to have a whole party of like 300 members of parliament.
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So if you're starting something from scratch, it is very difficult.
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So, yeah, it's a much harder process, much slower process.
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But can't people see the writing on the walls and go, I know there's 300 of us, but we all need to figure this out?
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Well, right now, the party that I'm talking about, they have five and they've got a civil war within the party and they're all.
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See, again, we always go, oh, these times are crazy.
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But, you know, you look back to the French Revolution or, you know, pick any time in history.
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People can get their heads cut off and the brother killing the son or whatever.
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It's just because we've got access to all of the news in the world at 30 seconds.
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And the thing that's going to rise to the top of the algorithm is obviously going to be something unspeakably awful.
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You go, I can't believe 30 people have been shot in a nightclub in Belize.
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And then you read all about it and you're like, oh, that's.
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My issue is when 30 people are blown up down the road.
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But, you know, all, you know, things happen in America that you just wouldn't have been aware of in Britain.
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But again, you see, you can't say that because for me, our cultures are so closely knit together now because of the Internet.
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That something that happens in America doesn't stay in America.
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So we worry about American shit, not because we care about Americans.
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It's because we care about ourselves and we're like, oh, this is coming to us, whatever the fuck it is.
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I think it's just the content then just activates you.
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So it's I just don't even think it's an intellectual thing like that.
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I think it's just purely an emotional reaction.
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You go into it and then you have a reaction to that.
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But do you have the same reaction about something that happens in France?
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Well, because American and British culture are very closely connected because we speak the same language.
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So what we think increasingly, it's like almost like a common Anglosphere space that happens in Britain also happens in Australia five years later.
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It's like a pipeline, you know, and it's not exactly the same because the culture gets shaped by whatever is going on locally.
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So that's why I think we care about American stuff more than we do about what happens in other countries because it gets filtered down to us.
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I care how you treat those trousers because I'm going to get them.
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Which is ironic because we were your hand-me-down.
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You know, we act like these are the craziest times.
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But a bunch of British people came here and then killed a bunch of Native Americans and started a life.
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But now your president wants to reabsorb Canada.
00:42:43.040
Every time I go to Canada, I go, what's up with Trudeau?
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But they got a lot of indigenous stuff going on over there.
00:42:59.800
So Trump stirring this pot and then trying to say Gulf of America.
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I know that's like a radioactive term right now.
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But part of me, like on paper, I'm like, that seems pretty normal.
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Let's focus on that while I, you know, finger Stormy Daniels over here.
00:43:42.560
You know, like the Jews were offered Greenland.
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Yeah, they were offered Greenland before Israel.
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And they said, too cold, we're going to the desert.
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Well, that's not looking like a good decision right now, is it?
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I think Greenland seems like it's quite peaceful and calm.
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So I think just, he should have just let it live, because now we've got more to worry
00:44:17.540
I'm like, who picks a fight with the Canadians?
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Canada is your lovely little sister, who you love to pieces, and then she went to university
00:44:43.440
Well, they've got rid of Trudeau and they've replaced him with a guy who wasn't even elected.
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He used to be the governor of our Bank of England.
00:45:03.540
Martin Luther King, you know, hero, civil rights leader, amazing guy, an icon, you know,
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I don't think those were his exact words, to be fair.
00:45:36.540
Imagine we went back in history and it turned out that Winston Churchill tore like Mark Norman.
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And a cool dude, you know, hitting the sauce at like 11 a.m.
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But, you know, he didn't get re-elected after that.
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After that, they were like, ah, we've had enough of you.
00:46:01.620
I don't, I think he did get re-elected, actually.
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He did get re-elected because he got, what happened is they had an election post-World
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I think in, I think in the 50s he came back when he was a very, very old man.
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I just think it shows you that the British aren't grateful.
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So there was like, we haven't enough Churchill for now.
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Yeah, after voting him out, which is, you know.
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How could you vote out the man who said we will fight them on the beaches?
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You got some Nazis over there, but who doesn't?
00:47:21.060
Well, every country in Eastern Europe has a small amount of Nazis, but the people in charge aren't Nazis.
00:47:27.860
I just hope it's going to be over soon, to be honest.
00:47:39.860
Like, I actually don't agree with a lot of the stuff the right says about Ukraine in this country,
00:47:44.160
but I genuinely think Trump is really, like, to me, a surprisingly level of, like, genuinely trying to fix it.
00:47:53.780
I just find with any group that is in power becomes a douche.
00:48:00.820
Like, there's a woman who works for Meta, a CEO, who started Me Too-ing women.
00:48:12.160
It's like, I almost feel like Twitter in particular is like the ring of power.
00:48:16.220
And whoever has it, it has a slightly corrupting effect on them.
00:48:21.440
And, like, when the left had control of Twitter, it was full of woke retards.
00:48:26.380
Now Twitter is increasingly full of right-wing retards.
00:48:34.640
And I'm like, you guys weren't mad when I was doing Greta Thunberg jokes.
00:48:52.300
So, everybody gets mad when you make fun of their thing.
00:48:59.660
Yeah, and that bias will really make you blindsided.
00:49:03.820
It's like we comment on shit happens seriously as well as comedically, right?
00:49:07.880
And I always thought that the job of people who are doing that is to call the balls and
00:49:13.700
But everyone wants you to be on the field on their team.
00:49:21.180
Like, you can go, Elon's going a little crazy, but Tesla's a great car.
00:49:24.840
Or Trump's a f***ing psycho, but man, is he funny?
00:49:29.260
People get like, I called Trump funny once, and this lady like chewed me out.
00:49:44.300
It's a silly, silly thing that's like, I'm all in on this.
00:49:49.200
So now if your group kills a guy for no reason, you got to be all in on it?
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And it's a kiss of death, I think, for society.
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If you live your life like that, genuinely, I mean, it's kind of tragic, actually.
00:50:07.880
You must be eating away at your brain a little, like, yeah, I have to silence shit.
00:50:11.200
Like, oh, I didn't think that was great, but it's my side, so I got to go with it.
00:50:14.540
I think the trans stuff had a lot of that in there.
00:50:18.840
I mean, like, the super far left, I think, saw some trans stuff and eventually was like,
00:50:26.460
Like, ah, I guess I got to go with it because I'm a super lefty and I'm progressive and for
00:50:41.320
But yeah, so like, so, oh, you identify as a turtle.
00:50:49.820
Like, I've always been a left-leaning guy, but you're like, the turtle thing?
00:50:55.500
And then if you call it silly, they go, what are you, a right winger?
00:50:57.760
And you're like, the turtle, she's dressed with a shell on.
00:51:05.880
Well, now with that, we can end the interview without doing it half an hour early.
00:51:19.580
Yeah, we were having a conversation about this.
00:51:22.920
Yeah, I mean, look, we talked with Andrew Schultz about this, right?
00:51:25.900
He was talking about the fact that when the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other,
00:51:50.000
And the question is, the thing that no one quite understands yet is the relationship between
00:51:56.220
I can't tell you, like, some people will say, well, look, this thing happened online.
00:52:02.960
And then other people will say, yeah, but things that go online don't stay online.
00:52:19.480
Like, if you start tweeting about a guy being a pedophile, I think eventually it could catch
00:52:26.520
But then there's the whole thing of, like, I got a bunch of death threats once for a joke.
00:52:31.060
And part of me is kind of like, should I be worried about this?
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Is somebody going to come to my house and kill me or see me out and kill me?
00:52:44.700
Well, head on over to Substack where you get to ask Mark your questions.
00:52:53.740
I was going to say it's one all, but me cutting the interview in half was probably worse.
00:53:07.720
What's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?
00:53:22.300
Going like, you know, when somebody goes, all Republicans are racist.
00:53:27.540
And then when the Republicans are like, if you if you jizz in a condom, that's that's
00:53:46.600
Even on TV, we put a D next to the guy's name or an R next to the guy's name.
00:53:50.940
And then you go, all right, I know where they stand.
00:53:57.020
So I think break out of that and just enjoy people for who they are.
00:54:08.920
I'm like, he has people on enough with the identity bullshit.
00:54:12.340
You know, I remember when Jeffrey Dahmer had that show on Netflix.
00:54:15.180
They're like, Jeffrey Dahmer is killing brown people.
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He's a big, weird gay guy who likes to be a cannibal.
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Enough with what side they're on, what they look like, what race they are, what gender they are.
00:54:49.240
You realize they're going to clip that bit out.
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We're going to find out cancel counter is real.
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