TRIGGERnometry - Our Thoughts on 2025

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00:02:15.660 All right, Francis.

00:02:18.240 The end of the year is here.

00:02:20.940 It has been pretty wild.

00:02:22.300 We were just looking through some of the episodes and I was going, do you realize that that amazing conversation we had with Richard Miniter, which is on like 1.2 million views about the history of America.

00:02:32.780 It's one of the best episodes.

00:02:34.180 That was only eight months ago.

00:02:36.380 It feels like it was three years ago.

00:02:38.300 I know.

00:02:38.680 And that's the amazing thing when you do two America trips and all the content that we record here and the fantastic conversations.

00:02:46.020 There are times where I go, was that?

00:02:49.160 That seems like two years ago.

00:02:50.840 Yeah.

00:02:51.340 Genuinely.

00:02:51.840 Two years ago.

00:02:52.600 If you said to me that was two years ago, I'd go, yeah, that sounds about right.

00:02:55.140 Just because of the frenetic pace of which we record.

00:02:58.220 So that is surprising in a way.

00:03:00.900 But also, I think it's due to the fact that because of the team that we have and because of the schedule and because of the amazing guests, we have such incredible conversations that you do want conversation.

00:03:12.240 And then in a week later, you have another equally brilliant one.

00:03:15.760 Yeah.

00:03:15.940 And it's been a wild year.

00:03:17.360 We've had everyone on from the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Boris Johnson, to Dana White, to Dave Smith for a discussion and all this.

00:03:26.780 Richard Miniter, as I mentioned, Tommy Robbins.

00:03:28.660 Like the whole year has just been absolutely incredible.

00:03:32.580 But it was dominated, particularly the first kind of 10 months of it, I think it's fair to say, by the war in Gaza.

00:03:38.940 That was a big part of the conversation.

00:03:42.040 And what's fascinating to me is that that conflict is still ongoing.

00:03:48.080 And no one is saying anything about it.

00:03:50.040 This is the amazing thing where a ceasefire was declared.

00:03:55.700 The hostages were given back, which is, let's be honest, and let's take a moment to celebrate that.

00:04:02.400 Because I'm not sure if you would ask even the most ardent optimists, would the hostages be returned in 2025?

00:04:10.040 I don't think there'd be many people who would think that would be possible.

00:04:14.320 Well, Sam Harris, who I don't think is usually described as a Trump superfan, did say that Donald Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for that.

00:04:23.080 So that kind of tells you the scale of the achievement, I think.

00:04:25.540 Oh, absolutely.

00:04:26.560 And it was Trump.

00:04:27.180 And it was very interesting because there was an interview with Trump on Air Force One, and he paid a lot of, I would say respect is the wrong word, but saying, you know, how it was a team effort, which was very un-Trumpian, actually.

00:04:40.200 You know, saying that Erdogan and a few other people were instrumental in making this happen.

00:04:45.420 So a huge achievement. 0.91

00:04:47.040 But then, you know, Hamas being Hamas, turns out you can't trust a genocidal, racist death cult. 0.92

00:04:53.600 And they just reverted to doing what they know and do best.

00:04:58.100 But what I also, like I say, find interesting is like all the people who were screaming about the genocide don't care anymore.

00:05:05.480 Do you not find that so fascinating?

00:05:08.760 Yeah.

00:05:09.420 Isn't that weird?

00:05:10.420 Like for this entire year, they spent their time banging on about genocide and the ones on the left now, they've gone back to, they've reverted to the mean, which is now they're banging on about the tax-origin, the villainous.

00:05:20.960 And the retards on the right are banging on about how Charlie Kirk killed himself or Erica Kirk killed him or whatever it is that they're onto now. 1.00

00:05:28.960 And you just go, there's been this, like, there is a herd thing going on where people really just, they just follow the crowd and they talk about stuff that they don't know much about.

00:05:42.520 And then that thing is still going on, but then they don't talk about it anymore because a new thing has come up.

00:05:46.920 It's so strange.

00:05:47.740 It is, it is, and it just shows, A, the power of social media, where if something is constantly put into your feed, then people then go, oh, this must be the thing that everyone's talking about.

00:05:59.140 This must be the most important issue of the day.

00:06:02.120 And let's be honest, it is a very important issue as well, by the Stein and Gaza and all the rest of it. 0.98

00:06:07.020 But then you go, look, if you're so activated by it, which I understand, it's a very emotive topic, then you wouldn't have this reaction where the moment it's done, in inverted commas, you then go, okay, what's next?

00:06:24.480 You would be genuinely concerned as to what's happening, the fate of the people.

00:06:29.560 Have Hamas actually put down their weapons?

00:06:34.220 Is this ceasefire workable?

00:06:36.340 But it just seems to have all gone, okay, let's move on now.

00:06:40.300 Yeah, it's really, really strange.

00:06:42.520 But, of course, one of the other things that happened during the year in relation to Gaza was the 12-day war when the U.S. bombed Iran and damaged or destroyed their nuclear facilities.

00:06:57.000 You know, there were people predicting it was going to cause World War III.

00:07:01.920 Our recent guest, Dave Smith, called President Trump to be impeached. 1.00

00:07:05.580 You know, people lost their shit. 1.00

00:07:07.360 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:07.560 And ultimately, it was kind of an overall success.

00:07:11.440 And that is, in some ways, a really strong contrast because the Trump administration has delivered a lot in the Middle East while not delivering anything of what they promised in Ukraine.

00:07:24.140 And that's been a really interesting thing to watch.

00:07:26.540 And I think it's partly because of the people involved.

00:07:28.760 It's like Jared Kushner, I think, is really, really talented.

00:07:30.960 And from what I know, he's done an amazing job in the Middle East, not just now, but with the previous Abraham Accords work they did.

00:07:38.560 Whereas, you know, Steve Witkoff doesn't seem to have the measure of Vladimir Putin just yet, which is, you know, not a surprise because Putin really knows what he's doing and Steve Witkoff doesn't.

00:07:48.340 But that is another conflict that's yet to wrap up.

00:07:52.340 It's obviously close to my heart.

00:07:53.560 So it's sad to see that we end the year with that war still ongoing.

00:07:58.480 Yeah, it's been a year of conflict around the world.

00:08:03.580 It has been a year of conflict.

00:08:04.820 There was India and Pakistan that flared up for what seemed like...

00:08:08.700 Three hours.

00:08:09.140 Yeah, three hours.

00:08:10.120 But there was a point, I remember when it started going, this could potentially be disastrous.

00:08:15.000 And it's what we often talk to some of our guests about, which is going from a unipolar world to a multipolar world.

00:08:23.780 And this is, I think, the fact what the left or progressives or not even the progressives, just the anti-interventionists, shall we call them, fail to appreciate.

00:08:34.180 The moment America recedes from the global picture, the moment America stops being an inverted commas of world's policemen, that's the moment that certain nefarious actors are taking a cheeky look around and going, OK, well, then maybe we can take this and maybe we can do this.

00:08:50.040 Because this idea that we were all taught at university where, you know, in basic economics, where, you know, if you trade with someone, you know, everything is going to be great, turns out that isn't always true.

00:09:02.480 Well, what's interesting, of course, is those two conflicts started under the previous...

00:09:06.140 They started under the Biden administration.

00:09:07.820 And I think they were a response to the weakness of that administration.

00:09:14.120 President Trump came in.

00:09:15.560 He's managed to get some progress on one, not so much on the other.

00:09:21.380 But hopefully next year does bring proper peace to both of those places.

00:09:25.880 Oh, well, look, that's what we're all desperately hoping for.

00:09:28.660 Because the war, as all wars, but particularly that war, is just so brutal and horrific that you hope that some measure of sanity can be restored.

00:09:39.040 The thing that I find worrying whenever I'm in the United States is this kind of pro-Putin rhetoric that comes out where people are saying, well, you know, Ukraine, the skirt was a bit high, therefore she deserved the black eye.

00:09:53.900 And you're like, really?

00:09:54.520 Yeah, and they're also, as we discovered in our episode with Ann Coulter, quite famously, because that clip's gone super viral, they're very badly informed.

00:10:01.420 It's just a bunch of talking points that none of them have actually looked into.

00:10:05.780 But the reason they're all doing that, I think, is it's a much better explanation than the real explanation, which is they just don't want...

00:10:16.060 They want to be isolationists.

00:10:17.340 And I would just have a lot more respect for those people if they just said, like, we're isolationists, we don't care about Ukraine, we don't care about the Middle East.

00:10:28.040 Like, that at least is an accurate reflection of their true motivations.

00:10:32.900 Whereas making up all this stuff about...

00:10:34.760 I've always found it very...

00:10:37.340 What's the right...

00:10:39.160 Despicable, really.

00:10:40.140 It's like, why would you make up lies to justify, so that you don't have to say the truth about what you actually believe?

00:10:46.440 Just say, I'm an isolationist, I don't want America involved in foreign affairs.

00:10:50.220 And then that is a legitimate debate that people can have about what is the role of the West and America as its leader in maintaining world order and so on.

00:11:01.880 Or the current world order, if you like.

00:11:03.720 Because if you don't maintain the current world order, a new one will emerge, and that will be a world order in which the West and the United States in particular are no longer the dominant force.

00:11:13.120 I mean, this was the crux of our debate with Dave Smith a few months ago.

00:11:17.840 So...

00:11:18.520 Or a month ago, whatever it was.

00:11:20.600 Yeah.

00:11:20.960 Right?

00:11:21.240 That was a big part of the conversation.

00:11:23.500 Of course, this was also a year, I think, in which...

00:11:28.020 You know, it's interesting, because on the one hand, it feels like all of the arguments that people like us and many of our guests have been making for a long time about the culture within Western countries,

00:11:39.060 wokeness and all of this other stuff, it really was the year where our arguments started to be dominant.

00:11:48.060 In many ways, you could argue that on many of those issues, we've won the arguments.

00:11:51.760 But at the same time, I think the murder of Charlie Kirk, which was a political assassination, it just showed that there is a...

00:12:05.520 We are living through a very explosive...

00:12:11.620 You know, I'm trying to find the right words.

00:12:13.540 We are living through a very combustible time.

00:12:17.160 There is a lot of people who are very angry.

00:12:20.300 There are a lot of people who've been trained to think that their anger entitles them to do horrific things.

00:12:26.400 And I don't just mean in terms of political violence.

00:12:28.320 I see people within the political world now saying, well, you know, they did this, therefore we're entitled to do that.

00:12:35.500 And Charlie Kirk actually gave a lot of very bad actors, I think, on the right an excuse, which we've seen since, to go, well, you know, debate died with Charlie Kirk.

00:12:45.920 And it's such a terrible thing to do to his legacy because this was a man who actually not only operated in the world, but demonstrated through his life and sacrifice the right way to approach these things, which is to argue, to win the argument, which is what he did.

00:13:04.520 And ultimately, he was successful because he persuaded people and he became undeniable in that.

00:13:12.000 And his murder was tragic, but in many ways, it only proves his point.

00:13:17.240 And I think one of the things that has happened since is way more people have now come over to the side of rational discussion.

00:13:24.200 But it's also, of course, given a lot of bad faith actors ammunition to do terrible things.

00:13:31.960 Well, and this is the dispiriting thing about, I mean, obviously, the murder was awful.

00:13:38.720 But then, like with all of these types of events, I think it was Douglas Murray who said it best.

00:13:45.740 He said, it sends a flare into the sky.

00:13:48.140 And then you can see where everyone really stands.

00:13:50.580 And the people who have integrity and principle on either side behave with integrity and principles.

00:13:57.080 And the people who have neither and more pertinently, the incredibly bad faith actors who then use a tragedy in order to enrich themselves behaved in that manner as well.

00:14:09.380 And I mean, the obvious answer, most pertinent example of this is Candace Owens.

00:14:14.180 Her behavior after Charlie's murder is, let's be honest, it's been despicable. 0.99

00:14:19.140 She's become a lunatic. 1.00

00:14:20.580 She's such a lunatic that Nick Fuentes is calling her out. 1.00

00:14:24.360 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:25.300 Yeah.

00:14:26.180 And what makes her behavior and her actions even more heinous is this is somebody who had a personal relationship with Charlie.

00:14:33.400 This is somebody who was a friend, yet uses the death or the murder of her friend, so-called friend, to then spread misinformation,

00:14:42.480 to then spread conspiracy and then become even richer as a result of it.

00:14:48.460 And the thing is, with Candace's behavior is, it's been, it's despicable, but it's more understandable if you don't have money, if you're trying to make it.

00:14:59.680 It's not acceptable in any shape or form, but it's more understandable.

00:15:02.740 But you go, you're already huge.

00:15:04.980 You already have all the money that you need, the notoriety.

00:15:08.120 And yet you still carry on down this path.

00:15:11.040 That, to me, makes it even more heinous.

00:15:14.160 It is.

00:15:14.600 It's just, and it's interesting.

00:15:16.280 You can see lots and lots of people turning on that, on this issue and just going like, this is crazy.

00:15:23.940 This is insane. 0.99

00:15:24.660 But there's a lot of that going around now, and people are just throwing stupid and crazy stuff out because they can. 0.99

00:15:33.300 And the other thing they're doing very dishonestly, and Tucker does this, Tucker Carson does this all the time, 0.99

00:15:39.420 is he deliberately conflates being criticized for the stupid and wrong and factually incorrect things that he says 0.99

00:15:45.420 with people trying to cancel him. 0.99

00:15:47.660 And you're just going, no, no, no, no, no.

00:15:50.760 You have a right to express your opinion, and we will defend your right to express your opinion. 1.00

00:15:56.200 But we will also defend our right to criticize your stupid opinion. 0.99

00:16:01.140 And he keeps saying all this stuff about how Hitler didn't really want to dominate Europe. 1.00

00:16:07.320 Like, Hitler is on record saying that he wanted to dominate Europe.

00:16:10.140 I think he was pretty clear about that.

00:16:11.440 Yeah, he was.

00:16:12.560 He seemed to be quite determined, actually.

00:16:14.180 Yeah.

00:16:14.680 Both in word and action.

00:16:16.140 Yeah, but it speaks to a thing, and Jimmy Carr on an episode that went out recently, which is absolutely crushed.

00:16:22.920 I mean, he made the point that the founding myths of the West in the last 70-odd years are crumbling.

00:16:29.440 I do think that's true.

00:16:31.200 And I think it's partly because in recent decades, the progressive left just ran away from reality

00:16:39.020 and started calling everyone a fascist and everyone a Nazi,

00:16:41.720 and they diluted it to the point where you no longer can use those terms as accurate descriptions of people who are those things.

00:16:50.340 Nick Fuentes, for example, is an Nazi.

00:16:53.000 That's just a fact. 0.68

00:16:54.140 Yeah.

00:16:54.340 He doesn't deny.

00:16:55.080 He himself says that Hitler was cool, right? 0.96

00:16:57.700 Like, there is a word for that.

00:16:59.300 Yeah.

00:16:59.540 And that's what he is.

00:17:00.380 But because the left destroyed that term as far as they have, it doesn't really have the impact that it once did.

00:17:07.980 And all of these things are now being renegotiated in real time, which is one of the reasons,

00:17:13.700 after we had our conversation with Dave, we invited Nick on the show.

00:17:17.760 And like Candace before, he's ducked it.

00:17:20.620 Yeah, he has.

00:17:21.680 And there was a clip of him going, oh, maybe I will, maybe I won't, maybe I won't.

00:17:26.360 And-

00:17:26.900 They're not even American. 1.00

00:17:28.120 Yeah.

00:17:29.600 Because the reality, look, the reality is why he's ducked it is because unlike a lot of people who have interviewed him, 0.98

00:17:35.900 we're not going to soft soap him, mentioning no names, sucker. 0.97

00:17:39.960 We're not going to get and start telling him how outraged we are and how despicable his words are. 0.99

00:17:44.680 Just argue the point.

00:17:45.640 Just argue the point.

00:17:46.640 Which is the kryptonite for people like him.

00:17:48.480 Because what he feeds off is people being outraged by his horrific views.

00:17:54.480 We'll just dismantle his horrific views.

00:17:56.520 And that's what he's afraid of. 1.00

00:17:57.620 Because all he's good at is playing the stupid character to his audience. 1.00

00:18:02.720 What he's actually terrible at is engaging in the argument. 1.00

00:18:05.940 Because there is no argument to support the points that he's making.

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00:20:18.160 And it's also as well, it's going, OK, so you're putting yourself forward as the leader of this movement.

00:20:23.960 What's your grand vision?

00:20:25.540 What do you want from the West? 0.96

00:20:26.620 Because you talk openly about how much you despise women and how terrible they are. 0.99

00:20:32.360 And all right, well, yeah, but you need women in order to have babies for the moment. 1.00

00:20:37.160 And how are we going to have...

00:20:38.540 I don't think he's worked that part out.

00:20:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:40.960 Well, maybe.

00:20:42.000 Yeah.

00:20:42.880 But you also need women in order to have children in order to keep the West going. 1.00

00:20:47.840 And in order to have children, most of the time, you need stable marriages.

00:20:53.960 You need healthy relationships.

00:20:55.860 That's how you build a healthy, functioning society.

00:20:58.700 We've spoken about it on this show time and time again, that one of the major issues with the West is fatherlessness, the breakdown of the marriage.

00:21:08.180 And in the younger generations, the fact that both males and females have a distrust of each other and they're not relating to one another as they used to before.

00:21:17.740 Well, Nick, is this your grand vision? 1.00

00:21:19.860 Like basically saying that women are disgusting and stupid? 1.00

00:21:23.120 How is that going to make anything better? 1.00

00:21:24.960 Well, I don't think people like him and there's previous iterations of him, obviously, as well.

00:21:30.860 And you see this on the left as well.

00:21:32.560 I think what we have with the Gen Z generation is a lot of very understandable anger. 0.95

00:21:39.140 And I did a live show with Andrew Gold at a theater in London.

00:21:43.540 And one of the guys who came up to me at the book signing before the show, he said,

00:21:47.840 I've got a teenage son and a teenage daughter, and I'm trying to pull my teenage son in from going to the right.

00:21:54.960 Too far.

00:21:55.800 And I'm trying to pull in my teenage daughter from going too far to the left.

00:21:59.680 And that's kind of the society.

00:22:02.800 I refuse to accept a world in which our daughters vote for Zoran Mamdani and Zach Polanski,

00:22:10.300 and our sons are watching Nick Fuentes and Bonnie Blue.

00:22:14.100 Yeah.

00:22:14.880 Separately, not together, because that would be great content.

00:22:18.320 You know what I mean?

00:22:19.100 But that is, in terms of the influences that are prominent, that is the world we're heading in.

00:22:26.320 And it is because people of that generation in particular are alienated.

00:22:30.620 They're angry.

00:22:31.840 Let's be honest.

00:22:32.700 And we talked about this.

00:22:35.140 I had a video on this talking about the phenomenon of Nick Fuentes, but more broadly.

00:22:40.960 It's like, and our conversation with Nick Fuentes, the main interview hasn't had huge numbers,

00:22:45.920 but some of the clips are like millions and millions and millions of views, because what he's saying is true.

00:22:52.060 Young men, add to that white men, add to that Christian men, particularly in America, 0.99

00:22:56.980 they have been demonized for things that they were neither responsible for nor benefited from. 1.00

00:23:02.200 And they were told, you're a piece of shit, you've got male privilege, you've got white privilege, 1.00

00:23:07.060 you've got this privilege, when they actually didn't. 1.00

00:23:09.420 They lived in a society that was obsessed with promoting women,

00:23:12.840 and actually just openly, callously, maliciously negligent of men's need for respect,

00:23:21.180 and opportunity, and purpose, and all these other things.

00:23:23.940 So, that anger that exists in the young generation is totally justified.

00:23:29.700 Absolutely.

00:23:30.140 It's totally justified.

00:23:31.900 But the question is, can they learn what all of us have to learn during the course of our lives,

00:23:38.000 that when you are angry, that's good, because you can channel that anger into positive action,

00:23:44.940 creating something, building something, uniting people.

00:23:49.300 Charlie Kirk was so widely revered and respected, even by many people who didn't share his views,

00:23:55.420 because that was the approach he took.

00:23:57.200 Coalition building, having a huge impact in electoral politics, actually channeling things into productive action.

00:24:05.280 That is, I think, where this thing needs to go, and that is a battle, and I think that's the next battle.

00:24:12.500 If we've won the arguments on wokeness, and net zero, and illegal immigration, et cetera, which I think we have at this point,

00:24:18.520 let's be honest, even in Britain, we have.

00:24:20.500 Then, culturally, that is the next big battle.

00:24:25.620 I agree with you.

00:24:26.340 I think what's really important when talking about the Fuenteses and the people on the right,

00:24:32.300 and there's Polanski's and people on the left, what they do is they activate, in my opinion,

00:24:38.020 the very worst of the male brain and the very worst of the female brain. 1.00

00:24:41.040 And there's also the economic element, where people feel that they have no hope.

00:24:47.520 If they get a job, they're not going to be able to buy a place.

00:24:50.980 The economy is becoming more and more degraded, it seems, year on year.

00:24:56.260 Not only that, infrastructure is crumbling, hopelessness, anger, resentment.

00:25:02.160 So you've got these two people who are basically saying, let's throw the board game up in the air.

00:25:09.660 And look, on the one hand, you go, that can be a visceral thrill, a rush.

00:25:15.820 We saw it in 2020.

00:25:17.300 You break something.

00:25:18.420 You feel as if you're doing something.

00:25:20.580 You feel as if you're sticking a finger to the man.

00:25:22.840 But it's like when, during the Brixton riots of the early 80s, where a lot of people,

00:25:30.060 the Caribbean community came out, they were very angry. 1.00

00:25:32.320 They had many reasons to be angry.

00:25:34.420 You smash up the place where you live.

00:25:37.200 Well, all right, you smash up the place where you demonstrate your anger.

00:25:40.320 But then what are you left with?

00:25:41.680 You look around your area, you go, well, the businesses are broken.

00:25:45.540 People have lost their jobs.

00:25:46.860 People have been up, you know, people have lost their livelihoods, their jobs,

00:25:50.700 their businesses, everything's in ruins.

00:25:53.660 Eventually, you are going to have to build it back up again, unless you want to live in a ruin.

00:25:58.800 And that's a choice we're all facing.

00:26:01.140 Do you want to go down these paths?

00:26:03.940 Because I'm telling you, on that side, you don't want to end up there.

00:26:07.740 And from my personal, and you've got experience of it as well, on the far left,

00:26:12.360 it doesn't end well either.

00:26:14.020 Or are we going to actually go, you know what?

00:26:17.100 Things aren't great.

00:26:18.600 We're in a really tough situation.

00:26:21.500 Societally, economically, culturally.

00:26:25.380 And are we going to do the frankly immature thing of throwing the ball gang up in the air

00:26:29.640 and having a big tantrum about it, even though it ain't fair?

00:26:32.920 Or are we going to actually work together and figure out a way for us to live in a far more

00:26:39.660 harmonious way and try and do our best to fix the problems we have in society?

00:26:43.520 Because to me, that's the option, not that.

00:26:46.480 Well, right.

00:26:47.260 And anger is addictive.

00:26:49.100 And the righteous anger that people like to feel is why a lot of people argue about these

00:26:55.640 terms.

00:26:55.960 But the woke left, this is what it was about, giving you an excuse to be angry and unconstructive.

00:27:01.160 And whatever is happening, the equivalent on the right, call it woke right, don't call

00:27:04.700 it woke right, whatever.

00:27:05.660 It's exactly the same.

00:27:06.800 It's basically a bunch of people channeling people's anger into money and clicks for themselves.

00:27:13.660 Because that's all that's happening, right?

00:27:15.260 Let's be honest.

00:27:15.900 Nick Fuentes, if you're one of his viewers, he's not taking you to a better place.

00:27:21.300 He's not trying to make a better America.

00:27:23.940 And he won't.

00:27:25.360 And likewise with all this other stuff.

00:27:27.300 So, yeah, and that's the challenge because ultimately you're going to have to build things.

00:27:31.700 And it's interesting because in the US, of course, the Trump administration is doing

00:27:36.660 many of the things that people elected him to do.

00:27:39.440 They're closing the border.

00:27:40.400 They are doing their best, as we discussed, to end global conflicts.

00:27:44.940 They are rebuilding America's manufacturing base.

00:27:48.020 They're doing lots and lots of things to reset America's relationship with the world and with

00:27:52.940 itself.

00:27:53.960 And here in the UK, I think it's fair to say that the arguments on things like illegal

00:28:01.460 immigration, the arguments probably on mass immigration in general, and the argument on

00:28:08.380 just the cultural disintegration of the country, the crime, all of that stuff, they've been

00:28:13.800 won.

00:28:14.040 Everyone agrees with us now.

00:28:15.660 All the stuff we've been saying and people have pretended we're right wing for saying,

00:28:19.740 now those very people are coming over to our side because, frankly, the country's got to

00:28:25.460 the point, particularly the economic situation is really bad.

00:28:29.500 But it's going to be a while before that turns around politically because there's not a scheduled

00:28:35.360 election for the next three years.

00:28:36.720 Unless there's the fiscal crisis that Alistair Heath predicted on our show in the next couple

00:28:42.940 of years or the beginnings of one, which leads to an early election, we're kind of stuck in

00:28:48.200 the situation for a few more years.

00:28:51.580 And there's a few luxury beliefs that we have yet to let go.

00:28:56.560 Net zero is one of them.

00:28:57.520 There's still a lot of people who don't realize that it's economic suicide for no gain whatsoever.

00:29:02.560 And the other one is, and this is what no one talks about, and I mean no one up to and

00:29:07.580 including reform, is the gigantic unaffordable welfare bill that we have in this country.

00:29:13.740 That as long as we continue to spend more money than we have and than we earn, we will

00:29:19.200 remain poor, which is what we are.

00:29:22.400 And I know so many people, both in our space, but also in the business world and elsewhere,

00:29:28.200 they're not leaving, they've left.

00:29:31.140 They've left for Australia.

00:29:32.560 They've left for America. 0.70

00:29:33.680 They've left for the Middle East.

00:29:35.320 They've left for the UAE, Dubai.

00:29:39.520 We are bleeding.

00:29:40.800 There is a giant brain drain going on in Britain that people, some people don't realize is

00:29:46.240 happening, but it is happening.

00:29:48.460 And that, if you think about the scale of that achievement to get hundreds of thousands

00:29:55.340 of talented, creative, entrepreneurial risk-takers, to leave a country like Britain, you really,

00:30:02.300 really, really had to run it into the ground.

00:30:04.580 And that's where we've got to.

00:30:05.900 Well, and this is the worry for me, is that we have the politics of resentment, where we

00:30:09.640 have the evil billionaires and millionaires.

00:30:13.400 And we can have a conversation about tax.

00:30:16.820 We can talk about that, the tax burden, et cetera.

00:30:20.100 But the reality is, those are the people who create wealth.

00:30:23.400 They're the people who pay the majority of the taxes in this country.

00:30:26.900 They're the people who actually keep the public services running.

00:30:30.400 You get rid of them, you demonize them, well, that's fine.

00:30:35.360 But then what are you going to do when they leave?

00:30:37.660 And they're leaving in their droves.

00:30:39.400 And they're not just leaving, the next generation of millionaires, the next generation of wealth

00:30:44.360 creators, the next generation of business owners are leaving, because you have made it

00:30:49.280 untenable for them to live in this country.

00:30:52.380 We've got a 60% tax rate once you start earning a six-figure salary.

00:30:57.740 And the people on the left will be going, oh, boo-hoo, boo-hoo.

00:31:01.580 All right.

00:31:02.280 What about your consultant?

00:31:03.520 You found a tumor in your neck.

00:31:05.100 You're going to go and see your consultant, your oncologist.

00:31:07.920 He's on a six-figure salary.

00:31:09.520 But if he goes to Australia, he can triple his salary.

00:31:12.340 If he goes to America, he can go droopily.

00:31:14.240 If he can go to Dubai, he can earn whatever, triple it, and pay no tax.

00:31:19.720 So what do you want your consultant to do?

00:31:22.720 Do you want him effectively to be on a third or even a quarter of what he could earn

00:31:27.500 globally when he's probably got a family and he's got to pay school fees?

00:31:31.600 I know.

00:31:31.860 They've got a private school.

00:31:32.860 It's terrible.

00:31:33.500 It's not...

00:31:33.860 Whatever.

00:31:35.300 Why is it terrible?

00:31:36.060 It's saving the government money.

00:31:37.120 Oh, yeah.

00:31:37.560 I know.

00:31:38.480 I know.

00:31:39.280 And that's...

00:31:40.440 It was a good job.

00:31:41.740 But, yeah.

00:31:42.040 But they're not involved in the state school system.

00:31:44.920 And you go, you are forcing all those people out, the talented.

00:31:50.680 And you're bringing in 55,000 illegal immigrants a year at the same time.

00:31:55.740 And you go, we cannot keep going down this path.

00:32:00.340 And if we do, we're going to end up somewhere where no one wants to be ultimately.

00:32:07.100 And one of the reasons I say we've won the argument is you've got the Home Secretary of

00:32:11.560 this country, Shabana Mahmood.

00:32:13.240 Yeah.

00:32:14.100 I mean, she sounds like Enoch Powell at this point.

00:32:16.260 I saw an article the other day saying that they're going to deport the children born

00:32:20.960 in Britain who are born to illegal immigrants.

00:32:24.260 They will deport them with their parents. 0.63

00:32:26.120 Which, if Nigel Farage had said that five years ago, they would have crucified him.

00:32:32.560 So, it's an extraordinary thing that's happening in that, like, they are no longer pretending

00:32:38.120 that illegal immigration is...

00:32:39.800 People are concerned about it because of racism because you can't pretend that anymore.

00:32:44.140 And more and more everywhere we go now, we have people coming up to us going, thank

00:32:49.620 you for what you're doing, keep up the good work, et cetera.

00:32:54.020 So, you know, in some ways, in the course of this year, I've said repeatedly that I've

00:33:00.340 become an accelerationist.

00:33:02.040 And I don't mean that I want the transition...

00:33:05.420 You know, we had this conversation with Jimmy Carr.

00:33:07.480 He sort of meant by accelerations, he meant that you want things to happen super quickly.

00:33:12.560 And that always is quite dangerous.

00:33:14.080 I don't mean quite that.

00:33:15.220 I just mean that I am happy that things have got so bad that people can't pretend that the

00:33:20.280 problem doesn't exist anymore.

00:33:21.920 Because I've concluded that, in my opinion, most people in Britain or in any other country,

00:33:28.680 frankly, they will not wake up and take painful action until inaction becomes much more painful

00:33:35.040 than not acting.

00:33:36.160 And that's kind of where we've got to.

00:33:39.160 Yeah, that's exactly where we've got to.

00:33:40.820 Where you go, what are we going to do?

00:33:44.580 What are we going to do?

00:33:45.420 Because at this point, it just feels like we're on a cliff and we're in the car.

00:33:50.300 You know the cartoon where you're teetering on the edge?

00:33:53.760 But the problem is we're teetering far more that way than we are that way.

00:33:58.420 And eventually we're going to flip over and the car is going to fall into the ravine.

00:34:01.900 Yeah.

00:34:02.140 And it's just a matter of time before we go, are we actually going to wake up and start

00:34:07.820 looking and taking painful yet necessary action to, let's be honest, save our country?

00:34:15.960 Because that's where we are now.

00:34:17.060 That's where we are.

00:34:18.040 Or are we just going to be continually oblivious and maybe even with these disastrous tax

00:34:24.100 policies, put our foot on the accelerator?

00:34:27.140 Well, we will see, obviously, over the course of the next year.

00:34:30.720 I mean, next year is going to be fascinating in that respect because the economic troubles

00:34:34.720 that we've been concerned about on this show for a while, they may or may not materialize

00:34:41.680 next year, but they could.

00:34:43.900 And that would obviously change everything overnight.

00:34:47.080 So, and then you come to the political side of a reformer currently leading in the polls.

00:34:53.060 They've been doing well for this entire time.

00:34:56.740 And it feels to many people like whenever that election happens, they are likely to win.

00:35:03.020 You know, it's very early days.

00:35:04.780 But then you go, you know, what about Nigel?

00:35:08.280 We've had Nigel on the show, Nigel Farage, a number of times.

00:35:12.820 I was asked, actually, the Telegraph did an interview with me for a profile thing.

00:35:18.240 And they asked me, everyone wants to ask you about Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage now.

00:35:22.180 That's what everyone wants to ask.

00:35:23.520 Not you, me.

00:35:25.580 You know what I mean by that.

00:35:27.480 Of course, of course.

00:35:28.380 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:29.280 That's what everyone wants to talk to us about.

00:35:31.380 And they said to me, what do you think of Nigel?

00:35:32.940 I just said, I like him.

00:35:34.800 I've always liked Nigel, actually.

00:35:36.100 Yeah.

00:35:36.380 In terms of as a person, I've always liked him.

00:35:38.800 And one of the things I've always really liked about is he's very forthright.

00:35:43.660 He says what he thinks on the vast majority of things directly.

00:35:47.820 But the question is, has he got the money to win the next election?

00:35:51.600 Has he got the candidates to win the next election?

00:35:53.680 That's something I've asked him repeatedly.

00:35:55.240 And hopefully we'll have him on again in the new year.

00:35:57.900 And the third thing is, if he does get elected, can he actually do the thing?

00:36:04.940 Because nobody knows.

00:36:06.000 With all respect to Nigel, who I, like I say, I really like him.

00:36:08.940 But nobody knows whether he can do, he's never, he's never done anything like that before.

00:36:13.020 He's never run a massive thing like the government.

00:36:15.980 To be fair, neither had Tony Blair.

00:36:18.140 Yeah.

00:36:18.600 Or Liz Truss. 1.00

00:36:19.740 Or Liz Truss. 1.00

00:36:21.760 Or, you know, Boris Johnson ironically did.

00:36:24.460 He was the mayor of London, which is about as close as you can get.

00:36:28.760 But if and when Nigel does become prime minister, that's, that, people think,

00:36:34.560 there are too many people who think that will be the answer.

00:36:39.640 He's elected and then everything is solved.

00:36:41.820 He's got a gigantic job on his hands if he is in fact elected.

00:36:47.220 Gigantic.

00:36:48.200 And it's not going to be easy.

00:36:49.820 It's not going to be pleasant.

00:36:51.440 It's not going to be popular at times.

00:36:54.540 It is going to, some of the things they're going to need to do are going to be deeply

00:36:57.280 unpopular as well.

00:36:59.560 And that is hard.

00:37:00.460 It's, it's, look, I, I, people, there are a lot of people left and now on the right

00:37:05.560 who want to criticize Nigel Farage and they say, oh, he's just in it for the this or the

00:37:09.260 this guy was standing against the European Union and like losing his deposit 25, 30 years

00:37:19.060 ago, whenever it was.

00:37:19.960 He's clearly a man who's stood up for his principles, but there's still a difference

00:37:24.360 between being a public figure and expressing your opinion and standing as a politician and

00:37:30.600 running a huge thing, much of which, by the way, hates you, thinks you're evil and wants

00:37:38.300 to sabotage your agenda.

00:37:39.620 And that's a civil service.

00:37:41.280 And that's a civil service.

00:37:42.900 Now, that is a huge challenge, which several people we've had on the show, like Boris Johnson,

00:37:50.060 like Steve Hilton, who was the advisor to David Cameron, Liz Truss will tell you the

00:37:54.660 same.

00:37:57.100 It's impossible to deal with, they found.

00:38:00.780 So you've got to, that's a huge job.

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00:39:52.460 And that's, I don't think that's what, I don't think people understand how having a civil

00:40:02.060 service that is captured or whatever way you want to describe it, that will not implement

00:40:08.640 policies that it does not agree with.

00:40:11.060 How that means that ultimately democracy is compromised.

00:40:16.400 Because you can vote for whatever party you want to get in on whatever policies they may

00:40:21.360 have.

00:40:22.060 Left, right, centre, it doesn't matter.

00:40:23.540 But if the people implementing the policies refuse to do so, or what they do is then they drag

00:40:30.580 their heels like a dog dragging itself across the road when you're trying to give it a walk,

00:40:36.580 ultimately, you're not going to be able to do the action.

00:40:40.240 And at that point, you go, well, we don't really have a functioning democracy.

00:40:46.340 Look, the counter-argument is you need a civil service because if you change ministers every

00:40:51.880 three months, which increasingly every party does, you have to have some level of continuity.

00:40:57.040 Of course.

00:40:57.600 Right?

00:40:58.340 But we have got very far from the idea that the job of civil servants is to implement the

00:41:04.020 elected, the views of our elected representatives into policy.

00:41:08.800 Look, the hint is in the title.

00:41:12.420 You are a servant.

00:41:13.740 What does a servant do? 0.98

00:41:15.080 They carry out orders.

00:41:16.960 A servant doesn't go, oh, actually, you know what?

00:41:19.540 I disagree with that because I believe in X, Y, and Z.

00:41:22.960 No, that's not your job.

00:41:25.100 Your job is to carry out the instructions of the minister to the best of your abilities.

00:41:30.800 Yep.

00:41:30.980 Well, one great hope for reform, I think, is they've got James Orr on board, former guest

00:41:37.240 of ours, good friend of ours, James is like a high-caliber human being on every metric.

00:41:43.600 He's a great man.

00:41:44.880 He's a great mentor to young people.

00:41:47.260 He's a great leader.

00:41:48.720 He's incredibly smart.

00:41:50.560 He's incredibly sensible.

00:41:52.620 He is not an extremist by any stretch of the imagination.

00:41:56.000 And he's now heavily involved.

00:41:57.560 They've got Danny Kruger to defect from the Tories.

00:41:59.680 I'm sure next year we'll have more positive things happening for them as well with his

00:42:04.880 involvement and others, of course.

00:42:06.280 So that's exciting.

00:42:09.300 That's very exciting as a possibility of a party that's actually going to be prepared

00:42:13.880 to do something.

00:42:14.940 Of course, we talk about reform.

00:42:17.060 On the other side of the political spectrum, you have the emergence explosion onto the scene

00:42:22.960 of Zach Polanski, which I find simultaneously inevitable and also mind-boggling at the same

00:42:32.080 time.

00:42:33.060 Because this is a guy who is speaking about stuff that people care about.

00:42:38.580 Of course he is.

00:42:39.200 But with very little substance as far as I'm concerned.

00:42:45.880 Of course.

00:42:46.940 But to me, the problem with this and people like Polanski is they're not the problem.

00:42:52.380 They're the symptom.

00:42:53.060 They're not the cause.

00:42:53.700 And part of the cause is the fact that we are economically illiterate as a population.

00:43:00.160 We don't understand economics.

00:43:02.480 We don't even understand basic financial products.

00:43:07.540 You stop the average person on the street.

00:43:09.300 You ask them what APR is.

00:43:10.360 They wouldn't be able to tell you.

00:43:11.700 They wouldn't be able to really tell you how credit cards work.

00:43:14.520 If you buy a hundred quid pair of trainers, how much are you going to be paying off every

00:43:17.980 month?

00:43:18.280 And the reason is, is we don't teach people about that.

00:43:21.340 So we're raising this generation of young people who are economically and financially

00:43:26.440 illiterate, which makes them incredibly vulnerable to the nonsense, in my opinion, that Polanski

00:43:32.700 spouts, because it sounds good.

00:43:35.380 And if you don't understand the basics of how a country is run or how a business is run or

00:43:41.380 how money is made or created or finance and wealth, then of course that's going to sound

00:43:46.660 good.

00:43:46.900 But that is really on the education system and that's on us.

00:43:51.240 Yeah.

00:43:51.740 And I think you're absolutely right.

00:43:53.240 And by the way, I don't think, we wouldn't want people to take away from this conversation

00:43:58.460 that we think like we always knew everything or even now we know everything.

00:44:02.300 But I just think in the process of A, having the conversations that we've had with people

00:44:06.720 and educating ourselves about this stuff.

00:44:09.000 And also, you know, there's 12 of us now at Trigonometry.

00:44:12.760 We have a team of 10 people working with us.

00:44:14.660 And once you are in that position, you have a responsibility to make that work, to make

00:44:22.920 sure that it works as a business.

00:44:25.840 And in the process, you really understand the Thomas Sowell line of there are no solutions,

00:44:30.040 only trade-offs.

00:44:30.720 You're constantly making decisions.

00:44:32.100 And we can tell you, as effectively a small business, what happens when the government

00:44:37.900 jacks up tax rates on small businesses.

00:44:40.360 We will not hire as many people this year as we otherwise would have done, right?

00:44:45.180 That means that there will be fewer jobs in the country.

00:44:48.200 Now, you multiply Trigonometry by a million small businesses, what do you get?

00:44:53.880 There are today millions of jobs that have not been created simply because of the fact

00:45:00.460 that the government is making it harder to run a business.

00:45:03.260 To say nothing of the fact that, look, there are plenty of people like us who've left for

00:45:09.780 other countries.

00:45:10.660 Chris Williamson, our friend.

00:45:12.140 Yeah.

00:45:12.480 He's a good example.

00:45:13.600 He moved to America, hasn't looked back. 0.94

00:45:16.220 Zuby, who we've had on the show, raised in the UK.

00:45:19.540 I went to school with Zuby, went to university in the UK, started his career in the UK.

00:45:23.960 He's moved to the Middle East.

00:45:25.400 And we could go down, business owners, et cetera.

00:45:28.120 So if you do that over a period of 10 years, there are literally millions of jobs in this

00:45:34.320 country that could have existed that do not because of the government policy.

00:45:38.600 Exactly.

00:45:39.320 And millions in taxable revenue.

00:45:42.280 Of course.

00:45:43.420 Millions?

00:45:44.040 No, billions.

00:45:44.660 Billions.

00:45:45.220 Billions.

00:45:45.800 Billions and billions and billions because of just that.

00:45:49.200 Because of this idea that anyone who's financially successful is a bad person.

00:45:54.940 Yeah.

00:45:55.380 But that's basically the Zach Polanski message.

00:45:58.240 And I had one of his people when I went to cover the protest in Cobra.

00:46:02.860 We didn't put it in the main thing because we just thought it would distract, but people

00:46:05.480 can find the clip.

00:46:06.660 There's a journalist from the Sussex byline, I think it's called.

00:46:11.120 And I said to him, so what have you found here?

00:46:13.580 And he basically started banging on about neoliberalism at a protest in which there was

00:46:18.840 just like families going, we don't want 600 illegal immigrants in a camp in our small 1.00

00:46:22.780 town because they're infiltrated. 1.00

00:46:25.280 Their brain is rotten with the shit that they've been fed about how it's the billionaires. 1.00

00:46:30.820 We are worried about the people who fly in on private jets, not the people who come on 1.00

00:46:35.040 illegal boats.

00:46:36.680 Really?

00:46:37.500 Really?

00:46:38.000 You're worried about them, are you?

00:46:39.220 Because that's not who I worry about, nicking my phone in London.

00:46:41.720 No.

00:46:42.640 That's not who I worry about when I'm walking home at night late.

00:46:46.920 It's not the billionaire on a private jet.

00:46:51.440 It's not 600 billionaires being moved into a camp in Cobra that gives people their concerns.

00:46:57.900 Right?

00:46:58.060 Do I think billionaires should pay taxes?

00:47:03.400 Yes.

00:47:03.660 Do I think they should pay a lot of taxes?

00:47:05.180 Yes.

00:47:05.700 They already do, by the way.

00:47:08.500 And demonizing them further and chasing them out of our country, it's not productive.

00:47:13.760 I'm not a billionaire.

00:47:14.620 I will never be a billionaire.

00:47:16.200 I'm perfectly content with that.

00:47:18.080 I pay a lot of tax.

00:47:19.320 I'm perfectly content with that as well.

00:47:20.880 But the effect of pushing all of this narrative through our society is detrimental.

00:47:28.720 And that's why we're talking about it.

00:47:30.900 That is, of course, why we're talking about it.

00:47:33.100 And people go, oh, it's about left versus right when they talk to me.

00:47:39.300 Oh, you say this because you're on the right.

00:47:41.060 Or you say this because you're right wing.

00:47:43.820 And I think we both come to this from the same point of view.

00:47:47.460 I don't care about left versus right.

00:47:49.200 I care about what works because I want my country to be successful.

00:47:54.040 I want everybody to have the best possible chance or shot at making something of themselves,

00:47:59.380 whatever that is.

00:48:00.380 And however you want to live your life, I want it to be the fairest place with the best

00:48:05.580 public services, et cetera.

00:48:08.640 But we know that these ideas are bad.

00:48:11.300 They don't work.

00:48:12.580 They haven't worked.

00:48:13.740 They've been proven time after time after time not to work.

00:48:17.400 And they're not working now.

00:48:18.340 And they're not working now.

00:48:20.160 So that's why I push back on them.

00:48:22.000 Not because, and we do, not because we're, you know, we hate the left or the left or evil,

00:48:26.620 you know, or any of these things.

00:48:27.860 It's like, no, it's economically disastrous.

00:48:31.460 And when you have policies that are economically disastrous, they are going to impact the poorest

00:48:37.740 the most.

00:48:38.560 That's what happens.

00:48:40.220 That's what happened in Venezuela with communism.

00:48:42.780 Everybody who was rich and had money left.

00:48:45.880 Or if they didn't, they stayed and they insulated themselves from the catastrophe as best they

00:48:51.920 could, which is the same thing that's going to happen here.

00:48:54.740 And that's what we care about.

00:48:57.380 Does it work?

00:48:58.340 If it works, brilliant.

00:48:59.820 Implement it. 0.92

00:49:00.760 If it doesn't, because it's a crap idea, don't do it. 0.93

00:49:04.440 Yeah. 0.94

00:49:04.580 It'll never take on, mate.

00:49:06.400 No.

00:49:06.800 And on that happy note, it's been a pleasure doing this for another year with you.

00:49:12.860 Absolutely.

00:49:13.480 With our amazing supporters.

00:49:15.340 It's been a great year.

00:49:18.000 You know, I always tell this story.

00:49:20.020 I don't think, I'm not sure if I've told it publicly about the girlfriend you had when

00:49:23.720 we first started this.

00:49:25.220 Whenever we used to complain about the state of the world and get upset or this was happening

00:49:29.960 and she would just go, look guys, everything that's bad for the world is good for trigonometry.

00:49:33.920 And I'm afraid to say we've had a great year.

00:49:37.080 And next year is probably going to be even better.

00:49:39.020 You know, it's weird, but I do feel like we are starting to make, like I said, winning

00:49:44.400 the arguments.

00:49:45.240 That's where you start.

00:49:46.320 Then it has to take political shape.

00:49:47.980 I mean, that's what happened in the US.

00:49:49.400 The election of President Trump is a consequence of the fact that the arguments were won, right?

00:49:54.840 So hopefully that will happen here over time as well.

00:49:58.500 We're going to keep doing our best to talk to people, have debates.

00:50:02.940 We haven't even talked about some of the great interviews we've done this year, whether

00:50:06.480 that's Deborah Francis-White, that debate, or lots of other things that have been fun

00:50:12.280 or crazy or wacky.

00:50:14.380 We've still got some amazing episodes to come out from our America trip.

00:50:18.960 But it's been a great year.

00:50:21.380 We thank everybody for supporting us for seven and a half years now.

00:50:25.880 That's how long we've been going.

00:50:26.640 It's been a hell of a trip.

00:50:29.160 It's been a hell of a journey.

00:50:30.600 And I loved every minute of it.

00:50:33.020 We're going to kiss.

00:50:33.840 We are going to kiss.

00:50:34.740 But that's only for Substack.

00:50:36.260 So check us out there.

00:50:37.700 But the exciting thing is, is what we've got coming in.

00:50:42.820 They're coming down the pipeline.

00:50:43.920 The new ideas we're going to be implementing.

00:50:45.920 The new content that we're talking about.

00:50:47.500 I'm already excited about it.

00:50:49.100 Now, the guests that we're going to get, they're going to be even bigger.

00:50:52.060 They're going to be even better.

00:50:52.960 So I can't wait for 2026.

00:50:56.040 And we're going to see what the world is going to bring us.

00:50:58.360 I'm sure it's going to be delightful.

00:50:59.900 Merry Christmas, everybody.

00:51:22.960 Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything.

00:51:31.400 Like packing a spare stick.

00:51:33.160 I like to be prepared.

00:51:34.780 That's why I remember 988, Canada's Suicide Crisis Helpline.

00:51:38.660 It's good to know, just in case.

00:51:40.840 Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a trained responder.

00:51:45.060 Anytime.

00:51:46.280 988 Suicide Crisis Helpline is funded by the government of Canada.

00:51:49.560 Thank you.

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