TRIGGERnometry - Pearl Davis： Why I Interviewed Nick Fuentes

00:00:00.600 Women will play the victims when they started it.

00:00:02.800 Like, you can't hit a guy and not expect to get hit back.

00:00:06.200 That's... that's interesting.

00:00:08.600 I think we should teach the women not to hit someone stronger than them.

00:00:14.400 And they'll say, like, men are responsible for all the whores, you know?

00:00:18.200 But I really think it's on the whores for being whores.

00:00:21.400 I recently decided that women shouldn't vote.

00:00:23.800 You decided women shouldn't vote?

00:00:25.000 Yeah, that's a new opinion.

00:00:26.200 Why's that?

00:00:27.000 Okay.

00:00:27.600 I'll take one for the team, yeah.

00:00:29.400 Okay.

00:00:30.400 You should have the same opinions.

00:00:31.400 You should be voting for the same person as your husband.

00:00:33.400 Why?

00:00:34.400 Like, I don't know.

00:00:35.400 You want to be in a house where you're arguing about politics?

00:00:37.400 Yes.

00:00:38.400 Yeah.

00:00:39.400 I want someone who thinks differently to me.

00:00:40.400 You had a guy called Nick Fuentes that you interviewed.

00:00:43.400 Oh, yeah.

00:00:44.400 Yeah, Nick.

00:00:45.400 I did not find Nick to be racist.

00:00:47.400 My staff actually did not find him to be racist.

00:00:49.400 He did say, I am a bit racist, even in that.

00:00:53.400 And in fact, in your apology, you said that he said racist things.

00:00:56.400 What I'm a bit confused about is you did a whole apology.

00:01:01.400 But it sounds like you're not-

00:01:02.400 Can you stop asking me about this?

00:01:13.400 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:16.400 I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:17.400 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:01:18.400 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:01:24.400 As you know, what we do on Trigonometry is talk to people with a variety of different views.

00:01:29.400 Our guests are often outspoken or controversial.

00:01:32.400 But no matter who we're talking to, we always approach our interviews in good faith.

00:01:37.400 That means we let our guests speak.

00:01:39.400 Don't misrepresent them and challenge them respectfully if we disagree.

00:01:44.400 A couple of days ago, we interviewed a YouTuber called Just Pearly Things.

00:01:48.400 Now, in between booking her to come on the show several weeks ago and actually doing the interview on Thursday,

00:01:54.400 she hosted a well-known white supremacist openly racist Holocaust denier called Nick Fuentes on her show.

00:02:00.400 Understandably, that generated a lot of pushback and she deleted the interview and issued a lengthy apology.

00:02:08.400 Given that, we were happy to go ahead with the interview.

00:02:11.400 And we obviously had to bring up the situation.

00:02:14.400 It's never our intention to make our guests look bad, but we also have a duty to ask these questions

00:02:19.400 and to challenge people when what they're saying doesn't make sense to us.

00:02:22.400 When we asked about the apology, let's just say things got very awkward very quickly.

00:02:29.400 What you're about to watch is the full, unedited interview.

00:02:32.400 We haven't cut or added anything so that, as always, you, the viewer, can make up your own mind.

00:02:37.400 Enjoy.

00:02:39.400 Our brilliant guest today is a fellow YouTuber who started her show a year ago

00:02:43.400 and is now on over a million subscribers, Pearl Davis, a.k.a. Just Pearly Things.

00:02:48.400 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:02:49.400 Thank you for having me.

00:02:50.400 It's awesome.

00:02:51.400 Thanks so much for coming.

00:02:52.400 It's great to have you on.

00:02:53.400 As I just bigged you up, you've absolutely smashed it.

00:02:57.400 Before we get into all of that, tell everybody, who are you?

00:03:00.400 How are you?

00:03:01.400 Where you are?

00:03:02.400 What's been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

00:03:04.400 So, my name is Pearl.

00:03:06.400 I'm a YouTuber.

00:03:07.400 I'm from Chicago.

00:03:09.400 I live in London.

00:03:10.400 I do a YouTube show here.

00:03:12.400 That was quick.

00:03:13.400 Yeah.

00:03:14.400 How did you decide to start it?

00:03:16.400 How did you have the idea?

00:03:17.400 I just...

00:03:18.400 Tell everybody what the show is because a lot of people wouldn't have seen it.

00:03:21.400 Oh, okay.

00:03:22.400 All that stuff.

00:03:23.400 I'm sorry.

00:03:24.400 That's fine.

00:03:25.400 There's a lot of men's issues.

00:03:26.400 So, I feel like most media today is catered towards women, pandering towards women.

00:03:32.400 We don't do that on my channel.

00:03:34.400 You don't pander to women?

00:03:37.400 No, no.

00:03:38.400 We're not about that.

00:03:39.400 You pander to men?

00:03:41.400 Not pander.

00:03:42.400 Look it.

00:03:43.400 I just say I say things that are true.

00:03:45.400 Okay.

00:03:46.400 I say things that are like basic to me, right?

00:03:49.400 Okay.

00:03:50.400 Like what?

00:03:51.400 Like what?

00:03:52.400 You know, you shouldn't get super fat after you get married just because you got a ring.

00:03:57.400 Nice.

00:03:58.400 I mean, I feel like that's basic.

00:03:59.400 Women in the 1950s knew that.

00:04:01.400 But today, I'm a bully.

00:04:04.400 I'm the meanest person ever.

00:04:07.400 Blah, blah.

00:04:08.400 So, yeah.

00:04:09.400 That's what I do.

00:04:10.400 We talk about relationships on my show.

00:04:12.400 So, we bring in men and women to talk about different relationship topics and then we

00:04:17.400 go back and forth.

00:04:18.400 Yeah.

00:04:19.400 So, I also work a lot with the court system here.

00:04:22.400 I'm doing a documentary on men getting custody of their kids.

00:04:26.400 Interesting.

00:04:27.400 Yeah.

00:04:28.400 But one of the things you did with your show, and I don't know if you were one of the first

00:04:31.400 ones, but it's definitely a format that's really skyrocketed.

00:04:34.400 I can't open my Twitter now without, you know, eight people sitting around the table

00:04:39.400 having some discussion.

00:04:41.400 Often, they don't know what they're talking about.

00:04:43.400 But it's a format of bringing kind of random people together, partly random.

00:04:48.400 Very random.

00:04:49.400 Very random.

00:04:50.400 Very random, yeah.

00:04:51.400 And you also have famous people, and we'll talk about that as well.

00:04:53.400 Yeah.

00:04:54.400 But did you come up with that?

00:04:56.400 Was that something that you saw other people doing?

00:04:59.400 No.

00:05:00.400 I would say Fresh and Fit in Miami were probably the first ones to do that, so I went on their

00:05:05.400 show.

00:05:06.400 And what I liked about London is it was one of the most diverse places I've ever lived.

00:05:11.400 So I just thought it would be cool to bring everyone in a room and talk about something

00:05:14.400 that we all have in common, which is relationships.

00:05:18.400 That's very interesting.

00:05:19.400 And so, but why do you pick the subjects that you do?

00:05:22.400 Why are you drawn to the subjects that you discuss?

00:05:26.400 Because they are controversial, they can get you into hot water, et cetera.

00:05:32.400 I just, I follow what interests me, and I just thought those subjects were interesting.

00:05:36.400 It wasn't.

00:05:37.400 A lot of people think it's like a lot more drawn out.

00:05:39.400 Every week I'm just like, oh, that's an interesting topic, and we go for it.

00:05:43.400 I would say it's a mix of relationships.

00:05:45.400 Sometimes we add in some conservative stuff, but it's like mostly about relationships.

00:05:49.400 And why does that interest you, Paul?

00:05:52.400 In particular, do you feel that relationships are in crisis now, or we don't value relationships,

00:05:57.400 or we look at relationships in the wrong way?

00:05:58.400 I mean, I just think men aren't allowed to have standards in society.

00:06:01.400 And that's just like the one thing I noticed, like whenever men say that they want something

00:06:06.400 in a relationship, like women always shame them for it.

00:06:09.400 And I just thought it was so interesting how we never like talk about the men's point of view.

00:06:13.400 So when I first started, I started like introducing my friends to like certain types of content.

00:06:18.400 So I would be like, well, have you ever thought about this this way?

00:06:21.400 Or have you ever thought about that that way?

00:06:23.400 And I don't know.

00:06:24.400 That's kind of how it started.

00:06:25.400 Right.

00:06:26.400 So men are shamed for having standards.

00:06:28.400 What do you mean by that?

00:06:29.400 Let's just unpick that a little bit.

00:06:31.400 Okay.

00:06:32.400 So what do we have?

00:06:33.400 We have fat shaming.

00:06:35.400 If a guy says, I want a girl in shape.

00:06:37.400 Oh, he's fat shaming.

00:06:39.400 Oh, if a guy says, I don't want the town whore, you know, then he's slut shaming.

00:06:45.400 You know, if he says, I don't want to like, it's like any time a guy demands something out of a relationship,

00:06:51.400 or he's labeled as controlling.

00:06:53.400 And I just got, oh my gosh, I got so tired in the past year.

00:06:56.400 I got so tired.

00:06:58.400 Because I just feel like I would, we would talk about like basic things and the men would say basic things that they wanted.

00:07:03.400 And like, they would just continue to be shamed for it.

00:07:05.400 And it's just like one of those things, once you see it, you can't unsee it.

00:07:09.400 So what are the basic things?

00:07:11.400 And look, a lot of people have said you use, let's put it fruity language, as they would say in the 1950s in England, like the town whore.

00:07:20.400 Whore.

00:07:21.400 Oh yeah, shut up.

00:07:22.400 No, no.

00:07:23.400 Sorry, sorry.

00:07:24.400 Town bicycle.

00:07:25.400 You should have said the city whore.

00:07:26.400 The city whore.

00:07:27.400 Yeah.

00:07:28.400 But so, what do you mean by that?

00:07:29.400 I think we know what you mean by that.

00:07:31.400 Whore?

00:07:32.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:33.400 No, no, no.

00:07:34.400 But let's talk.

00:07:35.400 What does that mean?

00:07:36.400 Because...

00:07:37.400 Sleeping...

00:07:38.400 Okay, I met one girl.

00:07:43.400 She told me this was off camera.

00:07:45.400 She didn't tell me this on camera.

00:07:47.400 Because we had a pro-life show.

00:07:49.400 Girls had seven abortions.

00:07:50.400 Wow.

00:07:51.400 Seven.

00:07:52.400 She's like 28.

00:07:53.400 It's like madness, madness.

00:07:55.400 Like you can't tell me that's not madness.

00:07:57.400 Right.

00:07:58.400 And so we're just in this world where it's like, girls are doing this crazy, crazy stuff.

00:08:02.400 And if anyone has anything to say about it, we're the bad guys.

00:08:07.400 It's just like, don't put me in that group.

00:08:09.400 Like...

00:08:10.400 Well, that makes a lot of sense because I think a lot of people, including a lot of women,

00:08:14.400 would be like, you've had seven abortions.

00:08:16.400 I mean, even if you're pro-choice, you'd sort of not be on board with that, most people.

00:08:22.400 You would be surprised.

00:08:23.400 You would be surprised.

00:08:24.400 Well, you think a lot of people are on board with that.

00:08:27.400 Maybe not on board, but like legally.

00:08:29.400 Oh, yeah.

00:08:30.400 Yeah.

00:08:31.400 So here it's free.

00:08:32.400 Yeah.

00:08:33.400 Yeah.

00:08:34.400 So, yeah.

00:08:35.400 And do you think that these particular women don't take responsibility for their actions?

00:08:42.400 Do you think it's society?

00:08:43.400 Why would...

00:08:44.400 It's like we live in a world where women are bailed out of every single bad decision we make.

00:08:48.400 If we want to sleep around, there's birth control.

00:08:50.400 If birth control doesn't work, there's abortion.

00:08:52.400 If the girl does get pregnant and wants to keep it, she can put the dude on child support

00:08:57.400 and not let him see the kids.

00:08:59.400 Like what, a guy gets six days a month?

00:09:01.400 Maybe if he's lucky.

00:09:03.400 On top of that, if that doesn't go well, you know, they can give it up for adoption.

00:09:10.400 It's like women are always bailed out of every bad decision we make.

00:09:13.400 I heard here they gave you free housing if you're a single mother.

00:09:16.400 What incentive do we have to make good decisions if we get free shit from the government for making bad decisions?

00:09:22.400 It's a good point.

00:09:23.400 But then surely isn't the system at fault rather than the individual, Pearl?

00:09:29.400 Why?

00:09:30.400 Both.

00:09:31.400 I mean, I think the system's at fault for like allowing them to do that.

00:09:35.400 But I mean, I think your life is your own fault.

00:09:38.400 Yeah.

00:09:39.400 So you can't tell me a girl had seven abortions.

00:09:41.400 That's not her fault.

00:09:42.400 No.

00:09:43.400 No.

00:09:44.400 I agree.

00:09:45.400 That's why I'm surprised.

00:09:46.400 Yeah.

00:09:47.400 Francis always likes to blame the system because he's an old school lefty.

00:09:49.400 Yeah.

00:09:50.400 No.

00:09:51.400 I mean, I would say it's OK.

00:09:53.400 There's good people and bad people.

00:09:55.400 But if you have a system that allows bad people to do or bad people to get away with the bad things that they do, then, of course, the system's at fault, too.

00:10:05.400 However, like your own life is your own fault.

00:10:09.400 So I kind of see both sides when it comes to that.

00:10:11.400 Yeah.

00:10:12.400 And do you, are these your politics that inform your worldview?

00:10:17.400 Do you have a political outlook on life?

00:10:20.400 I would say I'm like more conservative, but like, no, it's just what I see in front of me, like, to be honest.

00:10:30.400 You're not ideal.

00:10:31.400 That's the sense I get from you.

00:10:32.400 You're not ideological.

00:10:33.400 You just go, that's stupid.

00:10:35.400 That doesn't work, et cetera.

00:10:36.400 Right.

00:10:37.400 That's my take on it.

00:10:38.400 That's my sense of you.

00:10:39.400 Yeah.

00:10:40.400 Yeah.

00:10:41.400 Yeah.

00:10:42.400 OK.

00:10:43.400 I thought you were going to say something else there.

00:10:44.400 No.

00:10:45.400 And how how have you found the experience of like just bringing in because you just literally do you just grab people off the street?

00:10:53.400 Oh, gosh.

00:10:54.400 Oh, that's hell.

00:10:56.400 Recruiting is hell.

00:10:57.400 Yeah.

00:10:58.400 Basically, a year ago, I started with like my teammates, but I dunked on them a little too hard.

00:11:04.400 So they stopped coming on.

00:11:06.400 Because this one girl was trying to say that a guy that likes younger women was a pedophile.

00:11:12.400 And I was just like, no, I wasn't talking about underage women.

00:11:17.400 OK, I'd like declare.

00:11:18.400 Don't clip me.

00:11:19.400 Don't do that.

00:11:21.400 But and I was just like, no, like, that's just natural.

00:11:26.400 That's what men.

00:11:27.400 Men naturally want younger women.

00:11:28.400 Yeah.

00:11:29.400 So, yeah, then they stopped coming on.

00:11:31.400 But now we recruit through Instagram mostly.

00:11:34.400 So you get a bunch of random people who want to come on the show to discuss these things.

00:11:40.400 Yes.

00:11:41.400 And you clearly, you know, as you said, you were dunking on your own teammates too hard.

00:11:45.400 So they've left.

00:11:46.400 Right.

00:11:47.400 Some of them came back.

00:11:48.400 They did come back.

00:11:49.400 They did come back.

00:11:50.400 And how how does that go?

00:11:52.400 Because we do.

00:11:53.400 I mean, certainly from our perspective, live in a society where, as you say, people are very uncomfortable with certain things that we all know are true being said out loud in the public eye.

00:12:03.400 How does that go when you get a bunch of random people and you start dropping your truth bombs?

00:12:10.400 Hmm.

00:12:11.400 Sometimes well, sometimes not well.

00:12:13.400 I've had a lot of girls come back and say they changed their opinions after coming on my show, actually, that they see the world in a completely different way.

00:12:20.400 But I would say the majority hate me.

00:12:22.400 Yes.

00:12:23.400 Not that come on the show, but like, I don't know.

00:12:25.400 But that's interesting.

00:12:26.400 So you've had people who've changed their opinions.

00:12:28.400 Can you give a couple of examples of that?

00:12:30.400 I had one friend that stopped being friends with me last year because I had a post about something that pissed her off.

00:12:38.400 And she literally said she stopped being my friend, wouldn't talk to me, whatever.

00:12:43.400 She came back three months later and said you were right.

00:12:45.400 And I was a crazy feminist.

00:12:48.400 And I realized I was wrong.

00:12:49.400 And what was the post?

00:12:51.400 Modern women want to be victims.

00:12:54.400 Interesting.

00:12:55.400 So let's explore that.

00:12:58.400 Why do you think that, Pearl?

00:13:00.400 Because they play the victim in everything.

00:13:03.400 Okay.

00:13:05.400 But let's give some examples.

00:13:08.400 What do you mean by that?

00:13:10.400 It's like whenever, okay, okay.

00:13:11.400 So when I started doing the show, girls would come forward and they would say like, I was abused, right?

00:13:18.400 Okay.

00:13:19.400 And my first response as like a person is I believe them, right?

00:13:22.400 And I think, you know, you have empathy, right?

00:13:25.400 But then you find out that they didn't press any charges against the guy.

00:13:30.400 So you're coming on a platform and you're saying I was afraid to press charges, but you're not afraid to talk on my show.

00:13:36.400 And this has happened multiple times.

00:13:38.400 So people know who her ex is that watch the show.

00:13:42.400 So she's publicly defaming this man's character with no proof or evidence.

00:13:46.400 And so I just think a lot of times like, or, or they wouldn't, they wouldn't talk about how I would ask the question.

00:13:55.400 He hits you.

00:13:56.400 Okay.

00:13:57.400 Did you hit him first?

00:13:58.400 And more often than not, they would hit first.

00:14:00.400 Oh, wow.

00:14:01.400 Yeah.

00:14:02.400 And they didn't talk about that.

00:14:03.400 They would talk.

00:14:04.400 And that was, I was talking about how like women will play the victims when they started it.

00:14:08.400 Like you can't hit a guy and not expect to get hit back.

00:14:10.400 That's, that's interesting.

00:14:14.400 Why do you say that?

00:14:15.400 Because look, so from my own background, I was raised, whatever happens, whatever you do, you never lay hands on a woman.

00:14:23.400 You just never do that.

00:14:24.400 Whatever happens, you absolutely never do.

00:14:27.400 Yeah.

00:14:28.400 I mean, I, I think they tell men that because they cater to women.

00:14:31.400 If you hit someone expect to get hit back.

00:14:33.400 Well, hold on, mate.

00:14:34.400 So why is, why is she exempt from any responsibility?

00:14:37.400 Like, okay.

00:14:38.400 If you go up to Dwayne, the rock Johnson and you punch him in the face, is anyone going to feel bad when you get hit back?

00:14:43.400 No, no.

00:14:44.400 And he knocks your brains out.

00:14:45.400 Like why, why do we have that?

00:14:47.400 Men don't have a cop out for that.

00:14:48.400 But if a woman hits a man who's stronger than him, there's always a cop out.

00:14:52.400 Then she's the victim.

00:14:53.400 Never hit a, no offense, but never, never hit a woman, blah, blah, blah.

00:14:57.400 It's like, no, you hit him first.

00:14:59.400 Get out of here.

00:15:00.400 And now we're having cases where men are dying from women, like in Florida, where that OnlyFans model, did you guys hear about that?

00:15:06.400 No.

00:15:07.400 There was an OnlyFans model who killed her boyfriend.

00:15:11.400 And they got first, they thought it was like a mutually abusive relationship.

00:15:16.400 And now CCTV footage, I don't know if it's called the same thing there, but elevator footage has come out and like, it's of her like literally beating the shit out of him.

00:15:28.400 And like what, she doesn't deserve to get hit?

00:15:31.400 I mean...

00:15:33.400 Equal rights, equal lefts, baby.

00:15:36.400 I guess the counter argument to that is if a woman hits me, it's not going to do, with the vast majority of cases, that much damage.

00:15:45.400 Now we had Veronica Hardy in the studio with her husband Dan, and Veronica's a UFC fighter, and Veronica would destroy me in a matter of seconds.

00:15:54.400 But the reality is, I can hit harder than the vast majority of women and cause more damage.

00:15:59.400 Yeah, so then it's on the women to not hit the men.

00:16:03.400 Why would you hit someone stronger than you?

00:16:05.400 Well, this is what I was going to ask you.

00:16:07.400 And this is what I mean, like, when we look at society, there's always like a bailout.

00:16:10.400 So even right there, like you did it.

00:16:12.400 And I think there's a lot of like, little things that we don't notice in society, where it's like, never hit a woman.

00:16:17.400 Why?

00:16:18.400 Like, why does she get a...

00:16:20.400 It's sort of bad thing to teach your son.

00:16:22.400 However, there are exceptions, so this is what I was going to ask you.

00:16:24.400 Imagine you're walking down the street with your girlfriend, and a woman runs over and starts beating up your girlfriend.

00:16:31.400 Yeah.

00:16:32.400 Never hit a woman?

00:16:34.400 Yeah.

00:16:35.400 So to me, I would physically restrain her, and I would...

00:16:40.400 What if she started beating you up?

00:16:41.400 What if she had a knife?

00:16:42.400 You couldn't restrain her.

00:16:43.400 What happens if she had a knife?

00:16:45.400 Or a stick, or a fucking...

00:16:46.400 Okay, right, okay.

00:16:47.400 In that case, yes.

00:16:48.400 But my whole point in this is like, see right there, that's a bailout.

00:16:52.400 The woman made a bad decision, and we put it on the men to bail them out.

00:16:56.400 Yeah.

00:16:57.400 So, it's like, again, if you go, if we're making it a strength argument, right, we're talking about strength.

00:17:02.400 You, hitting Dwayne The Rock Johnson, he can't hit you back then.

00:17:06.400 Yeah.

00:17:07.400 But see, it's a gender thing.

00:17:08.400 It's like, women are always seen as the victim, even if they started it.

00:17:12.400 And that was my point, like, with that post, is like, these women will play the victim on my show.

00:17:18.400 And this has happened so many, like, so many times, where a girl will come forward, I was abused, this happened, this happened.

00:17:24.400 Then I start asking questions.

00:17:25.400 And this is the thing, like, in society, they act like we can't ask any questions.

00:17:29.400 When a woman says abuse, I don't say the R word on my grape, whatever.

00:17:34.400 But then you say, did you press charges?

00:17:36.400 No.

00:17:37.400 Well, why are you publicly defaming a man's character?

00:17:39.400 Because they, people know who you dated.

00:17:42.400 So.

00:17:43.400 We've had a bunch of feminists on the show, and I can hear their voices in my head right now.

00:17:48.400 Yeah.

00:17:49.400 And here's what they would say.

00:17:50.400 They would say, look, if you look at the statistics, a woman is much more likely to be killed or grape or whatever by her own partner.

00:17:58.400 So the biggest threat to a woman is the person, the man that she's living with, right?

00:18:02.400 Women are way more likely to be.

00:18:04.400 Men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime.

00:18:07.400 Yeah.

00:18:08.400 Who cares who's the perpetrator?

00:18:09.400 Yeah.

00:18:10.400 If men are more likely to be victims of, because then they'll always say, oh, well, I can't walk home alone at night.

00:18:14.400 I got attacked by a whale because of that statement.

00:18:17.400 I just think, who cares who does it?

00:18:23.400 Do you not think, though, that if we live in a society where we have what biologists call sexual dimorphism, like men are different to women physically, right?

00:18:31.400 Men are bigger, stronger, et cetera.

00:18:33.400 Because women are physically, on average, less able to protect themselves, we should have some sort of extra care.

00:18:41.400 I'm not saying, you know, never hit a woman, because I can envisage a situation where, in self-defense or whatever, that may happen.

00:18:48.400 But we have to teach men to be extra careful with the strength that they have, particularly when they're dealing with women.

00:18:54.400 I think we should teach the women not to hit someone stronger than them.

00:18:59.400 Like, I don't understand.

00:19:00.400 Why do we put it on the men?

00:19:01.400 Put it on the women.

00:19:02.400 Don't hit, like, you should teach the women, don't hit anyone if you don't expect to get hit back.

00:19:06.400 I agree with that.

00:19:07.400 And I don't think anyone should be able to press charges on a guy.

00:19:10.400 If she hit first, she started it.

00:19:14.400 Yeah, but what about if she hit first, and then it escalated, and as a result of that, she was severely beaten?

00:19:21.400 That surely should be able to press charges, because the level of violence is disproportionate to the situation.

00:19:27.400 If you hit through Dwayne The Rock Johnson first, then he beat the shit out of you.

00:19:31.400 Well, it depends.

00:19:32.400 If you give him brain damage, I think he probably could press charges.

00:19:35.400 Yeah, absolutely, because it'd be grievous bodily harm.

00:19:37.400 Because the whole, at least in English law, and there'll be somebody who corrects me on this, it's self-defense, Pearl.

00:19:44.400 It's self-defense.

00:19:45.400 If you attack me, I'm allowed to defend myself.

00:19:47.400 But then it comes a point where I'm no longer defending myself, and I become the aggressor.

00:19:52.400 Do you see?

00:19:53.400 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:19:55.400 I just genuinely believe that you should not hit someone and not expect to get hit back.

00:20:01.400 That's my opinion on it.

00:20:03.400 I mean, there is a logic to that.

00:20:05.400 And I just don't think you can really play the victim if you hit first.

00:20:08.400 Like, you hit first.

00:20:09.400 Yeah.

00:20:10.400 Well, you shouldn't hit people.

00:20:11.400 I mean, it's one thing if it's like, what?

00:20:12.400 Go ahead.

00:20:13.400 You shouldn't hit people, right?

00:20:14.400 Yeah, but it's just interesting how in society it's like, see, you kind of like, not just you, it's like very common.

00:20:19.400 We always like take the responsibility off of the women and like put it on the men somehow.

00:20:24.400 Yeah.

00:20:25.400 I think, you know what, while I think the way that you're talking is quite blunt about it, there is some truth to what you're saying.

00:20:34.400 And more broadly, there's other areas where I think that probably applies as well, right?

00:20:38.400 Yeah.

00:20:39.400 Just beyond the physical stuff.

00:20:41.400 Like, can you give us some other examples of what you're talking about?

00:20:45.400 Things that you talk to people on the show about?

00:20:48.400 Oh, so, like one thing is that men shouldn't sleep with so many women.

00:20:52.400 And they'll say, like, men are responsible for all the whores, you know?

00:20:56.400 But I really think it's on the whores for being whores.

00:20:59.400 No, I'm serious.

00:21:01.400 It's like, well, they'll be like, well, if the men weren't sleeping around.

00:21:04.400 But it's like, okay, what percent of men can sleep around?

00:21:07.400 Right.

00:21:08.400 One out of three men are sexless.

00:21:09.400 So, by this logic, like, it's more on the women than the men.

00:21:13.400 But it's like, then they put it on the small percentage of men that are sleeping around.

00:21:16.400 Does that make sense?

00:21:17.400 Yeah.

00:21:18.400 Yeah, it does make sense.

00:21:19.400 I don't know if you've heard that argument or not.

00:21:20.400 I haven't actually, no.

00:21:21.400 Yeah.

00:21:22.400 I've never heard anyone blame the men for the fact that women are doing a lot of sleeping around.

00:21:26.400 That's weird.

00:21:27.400 Really?

00:21:28.400 I hear it all the time.

00:21:29.400 Really?

00:21:30.400 Yeah, they always say, like, women, like, but the men are sleeping around when we talk

00:21:35.400 about, like, women being whores.

00:21:37.400 Yeah.

00:21:38.400 Yeah.

00:21:39.400 It's like, but the men, but the men slept with her too, but, but, but.

00:21:43.400 I also, oh, I think it's a hundred percent the woman's fault if you get pregnant.

00:21:46.400 Yeah.

00:21:47.400 It's interesting.

00:21:48.400 Why?

00:21:49.400 A hundred percent.

00:21:50.400 Um, because we have 41 forms of birth control and, um, the.

00:21:55.400 What if birth control fails?

00:21:57.400 Condoms.

00:21:58.400 What if someone keeps, I know someone who was using condoms and birth control.

00:22:02.400 Abortion.

00:22:03.400 Okay.

00:22:04.400 Yeah.

00:22:05.400 But you're saying.

00:22:06.400 Adoption.

00:22:07.400 I mean, I don't believe in abortion, but it's legal.

00:22:09.400 So then you, you, you have a hundred percent control over who's born as a woman.

00:22:13.400 Mm.

00:22:14.400 So.

00:22:15.400 Adoption.

00:22:16.400 But some, but if you have sex, there's always a risk of pregnancy, you know?

00:22:19.400 So it's, it, is, is that really fair to say that?

00:22:23.400 Yes.

00:22:24.400 But I guess.

00:22:26.400 Because the man only has one choice.

00:22:28.400 I guess you could do two vasectomies, condom, no condom.

00:22:31.400 Right.

00:22:32.400 Where the woman has like 20 choices.

00:22:33.400 Abortion.

00:22:34.400 No abortion.

00:22:35.400 Plan B or no plan B.

00:22:37.400 41 forms of birth control or no 41 forms of birth control.

00:22:40.400 Um, what else is there?

00:22:42.400 Adoption.

00:22:43.400 No adoption.

00:22:44.400 Um, child support.

00:22:45.400 No child support.

00:22:46.400 Letting him have access to his kids, not letting him have access to his kids.

00:22:49.400 The woman have all the choice.

00:22:50.400 So it's like, if we have all the choice, why don't we have all the responsibility?

00:22:54.400 Because there's two people involved in the creation of a child.

00:22:57.400 Right.

00:22:58.400 But there's six choices for the woman and one for the man.

00:23:00.400 The other thing, like the woman can lie where the man can't.

00:23:02.400 The woman can say she's on birth control.

00:23:04.400 Say she took the plan B.

00:23:05.400 Say she has an IUD.

00:23:06.400 And the man could be sleeping with someone and not even know that.

00:23:09.400 Where the woman knows if he's wearing a condom or not wearing a condom.

00:23:12.400 So there's only one situation.

00:23:14.400 Like the woman is the only one that's in a situation where she can fully consent to everything.

00:23:18.400 Assuming there's no grape, whatever.

00:23:20.400 Because she knows all the details where the man doesn't.

00:23:23.400 Yeah.

00:23:24.400 I mean, also, there's several instances of a man removing a condom during sex, a woman not noticing, and a man ejaculating in a woman.

00:23:32.400 I don't believe that.

00:23:35.400 I feel like that's like a cop out, to be honest.

00:23:37.400 Do you think?

00:23:38.400 Okay.

00:23:39.400 I feel like the girls just say that.

00:23:41.400 I don't really believe it.

00:23:42.400 You didn't notice?

00:23:43.400 Okay.

00:23:44.400 So what I'm curious about is what happens when you say all this to a bunch of random people that you've brought in off the street?

00:23:52.400 They're like super understanding.

00:23:54.400 Yeah, I don't see that.

00:24:00.400 Yeah.

00:24:01.400 I don't see that.

00:24:02.400 Americans don't get irony.

00:24:03.400 I got whale attacked for one of these opinions because this girl was doing street interviews.

00:24:08.400 And this girl was like, I can't walk home alone at night.

00:24:13.400 My life is so hard.

00:24:15.400 And I was just like, she was a whale.

00:24:16.400 You know what I mean?

00:24:17.400 And I only say this.

00:24:18.400 You mean she was overweight.

00:24:19.400 Very fat.

00:24:20.400 Yeah.

00:24:21.400 And so what she did was she was like, and I was like, well, why don't you just not live in a big city?

00:24:27.400 Why don't you just live somewhere safer?

00:24:29.400 Why don't you just not walk home alone at night in a big city?

00:24:32.400 Men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime.

00:24:35.400 And then she's like, well, and then she attacks me.

00:24:38.400 She, she tries to, she's like, I'll have you, you slag.

00:24:42.400 I didn't know what a slag meant.

00:24:43.400 Okay.

00:24:44.400 I didn't even know what a slag was, but she was like, I'll have you, you slag.

00:24:47.400 I'll have you.

00:24:48.400 And I was like, have me like what?

00:24:51.400 And so then, then she like knocks the mic out of my hand.

00:24:55.400 My friend had to like pull her away.

00:24:57.400 And then I got it taken off of my YouTube for privacy.

00:25:02.400 Bitch.

00:25:03.400 You attacked me.

00:25:05.400 And she wouldn't leave my, yeah, sorry.

00:25:07.400 So yeah, they're really understanding.

00:25:09.400 Yeah.

00:25:12.400 That's so, I'm kind of lost for words a little bit because.

00:25:16.400 Yeah.

00:25:17.400 She was like super nice.

00:25:18.400 I love Britain.

00:25:20.400 Yeah.

00:25:21.400 Yeah.

00:25:22.400 You see, you see some of those girls up and down high streets on a Saturday night.

00:25:26.400 Yeah.

00:25:27.400 I mean, so it just depends on the girl.

00:25:29.400 Like some girls, I've had girls say they've changed their entire opinion.

00:25:32.400 Yeah.

00:25:33.400 I've had some girls say they never thought of it that way.

00:25:36.400 Have you always had these opinions or has your view of this evolved over time?

00:25:41.400 I've always been more conservative.

00:25:43.400 Some things, I recently decided that women shouldn't vote.

00:25:47.400 You decided women shouldn't vote.

00:25:49.400 Yeah, that's a new opinion.

00:25:50.400 Why is that?

00:25:51.400 Okay.

00:25:52.400 I'll take one for the team.

00:25:53.400 Yeah.

00:25:54.400 Okay.

00:25:55.400 Why shouldn't women vote?

00:25:56.400 Because we're chemically different every single day.

00:25:58.400 Right.

00:25:59.400 Yeah.

00:26:00.400 And I just, and like, okay.

00:26:02.400 We make 70.

00:26:03.400 Hold on.

00:26:04.400 Does that mean you shouldn't be on YouTube then?

00:26:05.400 Cause you're chemically different.

00:26:06.400 Your opinions could be bullshit because.

00:26:08.400 They could be.

00:26:09.400 Yeah.

00:26:10.400 Should I be banned off of YouTube?

00:26:11.400 That's right.

00:26:12.400 What does that have to do with voting?

00:26:13.400 It's like a false equivalency.

00:26:14.400 Okay.

00:26:15.400 So to me, it's like, okay.

00:26:16.400 Okay.

00:26:17.400 I feel like if shit goes south, who's going to war?

00:26:20.400 Okay.

00:26:21.400 You know, I'm going to, let me, let me, let me, let me start from the beginning.

00:26:24.400 Let me start.

00:26:25.400 Actually, I want to, I want to start from how I got.

00:26:27.400 You don't want to be jumping on this fucking train.

00:26:29.400 Believe me.

00:26:30.400 I want to start with how I got this opinion.

00:26:32.400 Okay.

00:26:33.400 I want to start.

00:26:34.400 Let me, let me.

00:26:35.400 Okay.

00:26:36.400 I just heard from a guy named Rolo Tomasi.

00:26:38.400 Genius.

00:26:39.400 Right?

00:26:40.400 Very, very smart.

00:26:41.400 He's a pickup artist, isn't he?

00:26:42.400 No.

00:26:43.400 Is he not?

00:26:44.400 No, no, no, no.

00:26:45.400 I don't know anything about that world.

00:26:46.400 What is he?

00:26:47.400 So, um, no, he, he, a lot of the stuff in the space of YouTube I'm in, like, he, he's

00:26:51.400 just like one of the thought leaders, I would say.

00:26:53.400 Okay.

00:26:54.400 But he's not a pickup artist?

00:26:55.400 No, no, no, no.

00:26:56.400 Okay.

00:26:57.400 Is he the Italian comedian who's in his seventies and talks about-

00:27:00.400 No.

00:27:01.400 No, he's not.

00:27:02.400 No, no.

00:27:03.400 Okay.

00:27:04.400 Go ahead.

00:27:05.400 We keep interrupting you.

00:27:06.400 Because I feel like when I, when I say this, it sounds crazy.

00:27:09.400 It does a little bit.

00:27:10.400 Yeah.

00:27:11.400 And when I first heard it, I thought it was crazy.

00:27:13.400 Okay.

00:27:14.400 Okay.

00:27:15.400 But what I heard was that women didn't want to vote.

00:27:17.400 So when I was like, and I-

00:27:20.400 What do you mean women didn't want to vote?

00:27:22.400 Like the first-

00:27:23.400 They threw themselves under fucking carriages to vote.

00:27:25.400 Some did.

00:27:26.400 Yeah.

00:27:27.400 Right.

00:27:28.400 But was that women at large?

00:27:29.400 I don't know.

00:27:30.400 No.

00:27:31.400 Okay.

00:27:32.400 There was also the anti-suffragists.

00:27:33.400 Yes.

00:27:34.400 And that was the, the majority of women when asked if they wanted to vote said no.

00:27:38.400 In the U.S.

00:27:39.400 I don't know what it was like here.

00:27:40.400 Okay.

00:27:41.400 You know, this is U.S.

00:27:42.400 And I was like, why did women not want to vote now?

00:27:47.400 So I read some of their, their writings from back then.

00:27:51.400 Okay.

00:27:52.400 And they basically said, this is the beginning of the breakdown of the family.

00:27:55.400 Because back then, when you got married, you became one.

00:27:58.400 And you trusted your husband to make that decision.

00:28:00.400 Okay.

00:28:01.400 Now, that was one argument.

00:28:02.400 And I was like, okay, well, but society's a little different today.

00:28:06.400 Argument number two.

00:28:08.400 Back then they had to be drafted.

00:28:10.400 So, any woman that wanted to vote had to go to war.

00:28:16.400 Because you're voting in the U.S. anyway, for your commander in chief.

00:28:20.400 Because if they go to war, who's going to have to deal with the consequence?

00:28:25.400 And that's where we're at is because if shit goes south and we go to war, the men are the

00:28:30.400 one that are going to have to deal with the consequences.

00:28:32.400 So, yeah.

00:28:34.400 I felt like if we want to vote, we should be equally, because women want equality, equally

00:28:41.400 drafted, just like the men.

00:28:43.400 And now you're thinking, we don't have the draft anymore.

00:28:46.400 Right?

00:28:47.400 That's probably your thought.

00:28:48.400 However, however, we have selective service in the U.S.

00:28:51.400 Meaning that if a man, if there's a crisis, right, and we do go to war, the men have to

00:28:56.400 be like, like they then can be taken to, I'm butchering it a little bit.

00:29:01.400 And if they don't do this, they're fined $100,000.

00:29:06.400 Is that equal?

00:29:08.400 Is that fair?

00:29:09.400 Where we have the same rights, but we don't have the same responsibilities if shit goes

00:29:14.400 south?

00:29:15.400 I don't think that's fair.

00:29:16.400 So, I thought about it.

00:29:17.400 Would I want to be in selective service if I had to pick?

00:29:20.400 My answer is no.

00:29:22.400 No.

00:29:23.400 I will give up the right to vote to not have to do that.

00:29:26.400 And I think that would be fair.

00:29:27.400 I think feminists, they want equality, but they don't want the responsibility.

00:29:31.400 That comes with it.

00:29:32.400 That's my opinion.

00:29:34.400 Okay.

00:29:35.400 Now, what's interesting about that is in some countries like Israel, it's men and women

00:29:40.400 do national service.

00:29:41.400 Yeah.

00:29:42.400 I don't want that.

00:29:43.400 Keep me out of that.

00:29:44.400 Keep me.

00:29:45.400 But also women are far more likely to vote for peaceful and left leaning parties.

00:29:51.400 Women are more likely to wage war.

00:29:52.400 Fun fact.

00:29:53.400 In the last 500 years, queens were more likely to wage war than kings.

00:30:00.400 Also, I would dispute the idea that left-wing parties are more peaceful.

00:30:03.400 Yeah.

00:30:04.400 So, you think, so you genuinely believe that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

00:30:11.400 Well, okay.

00:30:12.400 I'm going to caveat this.

00:30:13.400 Okay.

00:30:14.400 I don't think it's likely this will ever happen.

00:30:16.400 Yeah.

00:30:17.400 We can agree on that.

00:30:18.400 I'm never really going to campaign for this to happen.

00:30:21.400 Nowadays.

00:30:22.400 However, I think the outcomes would be better.

00:30:25.400 Okay.

00:30:26.400 Okay.

00:30:27.400 And now this goes back into the documentary that I'm making.

00:30:30.400 So, I'm making a documentary on the court system here in the UK.

00:30:33.400 I wish I brought my notebook because I have it all laid out in my notebook.

00:30:37.400 I should have brought my notebook.

00:30:38.400 I didn't.

00:30:39.400 But the issue in the UK is that men only get custody of their kids 10% of the time.

00:30:49.400 Would you agree that's crazy?

00:30:51.400 Yes.

00:30:52.400 Would you agree if you're a kid, you should get 50-50 custody?

00:30:54.400 It depends.

00:30:55.400 Off the bat.

00:30:56.400 It depends.

00:30:57.400 Well, I actually don't agree with that.

00:30:58.400 Okay, go ahead.

00:30:59.400 Go ahead.

00:31:00.400 And I'll tell you why I don't agree with it.

00:31:01.400 And this will make me very problematic because I am suggesting that men and women are different.

00:31:05.400 But as someone who has a young child, they're way better off with their mother on average.

00:31:11.400 Under the age of eight.

00:31:12.400 Over the age of eight, the kids have better outcomes with the father.

00:31:15.400 Single father homes have significantly better outcomes than single mother.

00:31:18.400 Under their age of eight, though, they need their mother.

00:31:20.400 True.

00:31:21.400 But it's all case specific because if the mother is a psycho, then no.

00:31:25.400 And if the father is abusive, then no, right?

00:31:27.400 Or has addiction issues or whatever else.

00:31:29.400 Yeah.

00:31:30.400 I personally think that it's 50-50.

00:31:32.400 It's 50% his DNA.

00:31:34.400 He should off the bat be entitled to 50-50 custody.

00:31:37.400 Now, they could talk about it based on his work schedule and then switch it, you know.

00:31:40.400 But off the bat, 50-50 custody.

00:31:42.400 Would you agree that 10% of the time, men getting access to their children being the primary custody hold?

00:31:48.400 Like, that's insane.

00:31:49.400 There's a lot of problems with the way that divorce is handled, et cetera.

00:31:52.400 I mean, I know people who, someone who was married for a couple of years, they were both professional people working.

00:32:01.400 Her career and income were not in any way affected.

00:32:05.400 And then they divorced after a couple of years and she got a shit ton of his money for no fucking reason.

00:32:11.400 Yeah.

00:32:12.400 I'll tell you about this guy that I interviewed yesterday.

00:32:14.400 And it's going to tie into the voting thing, but it's just going to take a second.

00:32:17.400 So, he has three daughters.

00:32:19.400 Okay.

00:32:20.400 Three.

00:32:21.400 And he was married to a good girl for 10 years.

00:32:24.400 She was, like, of a Muslim background, so they had, like, the same, does that make sense, same background?

00:32:29.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

00:32:31.400 He, the marriage ended, right?

00:32:36.400 And all of a sudden, there was a restraining order put out against him and an allegation of abuse.

00:32:41.400 Why was there allegations of abuse?

00:32:44.400 Because in the UK, you get free lawyers if you claim that the man abused you.

00:32:49.400 So, now, he has to pay for a house that's not his.

00:32:53.400 Okay?

00:32:54.400 So, he has to, because the house is in his name, and he's kicked out of the house because of the restraining order.

00:32:59.400 He doesn't have access to his kids.

00:33:01.400 And on top of that, he has to pay child support every month.

00:33:04.400 He loses his job because he's so, I mean, he just, he's homeless now.

00:33:08.400 Mm-hmm.

00:33:09.400 Loses his job.

00:33:10.400 He doesn't have access to his kids because he's working in, like, electricity or something.

00:33:15.400 And it's, like, a very high-stress job, and, like, you can't have a guy that's.

00:33:20.400 Yeah, that, yeah, who's not focused.

00:33:22.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:23.400 So, he, now, he loses his job.

00:33:25.400 Now, his option is he goes to the lawyers, right?

00:33:28.400 And the lawyers, he has two choices.

00:33:31.400 He can either accept the restraining order and accept and plead guilty, basically, to abuse.

00:33:35.400 Or he can pay 20,000 to 30,000 pounds and fight for his kids.

00:33:39.400 And the odds he gets to his kids is 10%.

00:33:41.400 And this time, the mom is no longer letting him see the kids.

00:33:45.400 They're a mile away from him.

00:33:46.400 Three daughters.

00:33:47.400 He hasn't seen them in a year and a half.

00:33:49.400 So, what happens next?

00:33:51.400 He tries to fight.

00:33:52.400 Now, he's broke, and he goes to court.

00:33:55.400 And the problem is these girls go to women's shelters.

00:33:58.400 And at the women's shelters, they have, they basically know the system of how to get the most money and the most time with the kids, right?

00:34:05.400 And the other issue with the lawyers is that because they get free counsel from the women's shelter, what incentive do they have to really help the guy?

00:34:14.400 I mean, their number one clients are women.

00:34:16.400 So, a lot of these men are given bad advice in court.

00:34:19.400 So, now, it takes him a year and a half to even be able to fight the restraining order, to even get a chance to get access to his children.

00:34:27.400 Like, he, and remember, just one phone call.

00:34:32.400 You can't go home.

00:34:33.400 You don't have your kids.

00:34:34.400 So, then, he tries to fight it.

00:34:39.400 Now, he's still in court over the whole thing, right?

00:34:43.400 But this is where a lot of men commit suicide.

00:34:46.400 I certainly would think about it if I was in that situation where they took out.

00:34:50.400 And he's in his 40s and 50s.

00:34:52.400 It's not like he's a young guy.

00:34:53.400 I mean, how old are you guys?

00:34:55.400 40.

00:34:56.400 So, you can imagine everything being, like, your business being taken, your house being taken, your kids being taken tomorrow.

00:35:03.400 Now, the question is, why is this legal for her to do this?

00:35:07.400 There's no repercussion.

00:35:09.400 Isn't that a fair question?

00:35:11.400 Yep.

00:35:12.400 Like, why is it legal for her to deny access to the kids with no legal repercussion?

00:35:17.400 Oh, actually, let me get through it.

00:35:19.400 So, let's say he gets his kids.

00:35:21.400 Let's say he gets to court.

00:35:22.400 He fights it.

00:35:23.400 He wins.

00:35:24.400 He doesn't get primary custody, which he only could get 10% of the time, so most likely he loses.

00:35:29.400 Spends all this money and all this debt still paying for his old house.

00:35:33.400 He could get his kids six days a month.

00:35:36.400 Finally, the court gives him his kids.

00:35:38.400 She can just do it all over again.

00:35:40.400 She can just file another restraining order.

00:35:43.400 It takes him a year and a half.

00:35:44.400 The other issue, it takes, what happens to two years without seeing your kids?

00:35:49.400 It's a different child.

00:35:50.400 You don't know what she's been telling the kid.

00:35:52.400 They might not even want to see you after two years.

00:35:55.400 Why is this legal?

00:35:56.400 Like, why?

00:35:57.400 Why on earth?

00:35:58.400 And that's my question.

00:35:59.400 Like, why on earth is this legal?

00:36:00.400 Like, this is an atrocity.

00:36:01.400 This is, I started asking my Uber drivers.

00:36:04.400 There are so many Uber drivers that I've had that talked about how they're Ubering because

00:36:08.400 their ex-wife screwed them over in divorce.

00:36:11.400 So why is this happening?

00:36:13.400 Family court, okay?

00:36:14.400 It's not based on if you're guilty or if you're innocent.

00:36:17.400 It's based on a balance of probabilities.

00:36:19.400 So you can accuse someone of something with no evidence and no repercussions.

00:36:24.400 And again, the women's group comes in with all their lawyers.

00:36:27.400 The man comes in broke.

00:36:28.400 He comes in with nothing.

00:36:29.400 Half the time, he can't even defend himself.

00:36:31.400 And if he does, again, $20,000 to $30,000, the lawyers do not have his best interest at

00:36:36.400 heart.

00:36:37.400 Now, let's say he gets lucky, right?

00:36:40.400 He wins.

00:36:41.400 He gets the kids for six days a month.

00:36:42.400 What happens?

00:36:43.400 She can do it over again.

00:36:45.400 And it's legal because the politicians pander to women because the biggest swing voting group

00:36:50.400 is women.

00:36:51.400 And what incentive do the men have, do the politicians have to change the laws when they're not going

00:36:57.400 to be reelected?

00:36:58.400 And that's happening right in front of our eyes.

00:37:01.400 And what do you think should happen instead?

00:37:04.400 It should be 50-50 custody off the bat.

00:37:07.400 I think they should not have free counsel just like for abuse.

00:37:12.400 Because it went up 200.

00:37:14.400 Allegations of abuse went up 200% in 2013 when they switched that law in the UK.

00:37:19.400 So I think that it should be 50-50 custody off the bat.

00:37:23.400 And I don't, in terms of restraining orders, I don't think it should be that easy to just

00:37:28.400 get a restraining order against a guy.

00:37:31.400 But the problem is in the courts too is that it's based on, you only have to convince one

00:37:36.400 judge.

00:37:37.400 And we're in a society where if a woman cries and is saying, oh, he abused me, he did this,

00:37:41.400 we just automatically believe them.

00:37:43.400 I mean, when's the last time a girl said to you or anyone in a room that they were great,

00:37:47.400 they were assaulted, they were anything, and anyone really asked questions?

00:37:50.400 And I didn't.

00:37:51.400 When I first started the show, I just openly believed women.

00:37:54.400 But then you start asking questions and shit doesn't add up.

00:37:58.400 And a lot of times at these women's shelters, they're instructing the women with what to say

00:38:03.400 to get the most money out of the men.

00:38:06.400 And oftentimes that's accusing them of abuse.

00:38:08.400 So, you know, you know, the idea that like there are repercussions for women voting.

00:38:14.400 And a lot of times it's at the expense of men because all of the politicians are catering

00:38:18.400 to the women because they are the biggest swing voting group.

00:38:22.400 Wouldn't the, I mean, there's a lot of counter arguments to what you're saying, but wouldn't

00:38:27.400 one of them be that we lived in a society in which because men were the ones that had the

00:38:33.400 vote.

00:38:34.400 And by the way, actually men mostly didn't have the vote for quite a long time as well.

00:38:37.400 It was just rich men.

00:38:39.400 But...

00:38:40.400 I would be okay with that too.

00:38:42.400 Yeah, I can tell.

00:38:44.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:45.400 But...

00:38:46.400 I just feel like, why do you get a say in something you're not paying into?

00:38:49.400 Men pay into it way more than women do.

00:38:52.400 I mean, women now earn more, particularly young women, than young men.

00:38:57.400 Yeah, but on average across society, men pay way more tax.

00:39:00.400 Yeah.

00:39:01.400 Particularly over the course of a lifetime.

00:39:02.400 Partly it's because women take time to have children.

00:39:05.400 And, I mean, that's also another argument there.

00:39:08.400 Like, you can't just measure your contribution to society by the amount of tax you pay.

00:39:13.400 Bringing up the next generation is a hugely valuable thing that women do.

00:39:17.400 They're not paid for it necessarily, right?

00:39:19.400 Shouldn't that...

00:39:20.400 But shouldn't those women do that with their husbands?

00:39:23.400 How do you mean?

00:39:24.400 Like, why do we want to be in...

00:39:26.400 Like, you should have the same opinions.

00:39:27.400 You should be voting for the same person as your husband.

00:39:30.400 Why?

00:39:31.400 Why?

00:39:32.400 Why?

00:39:33.400 A lefty girlfriend who annoys everyone.

00:39:35.400 Well, no.

00:39:36.400 Yeah, she does annoy everyone.

00:39:37.400 Yeah.

00:39:38.400 And she's...

00:39:39.400 I think it's better for the family unit if everyone's on the same page.

00:39:42.400 Like, I don't know.

00:39:43.400 You want to be in a house where you're arguing about politics?

00:39:45.400 Yes.

00:39:46.400 Yeah.

00:39:47.400 I want someone who thinks differently to me.

00:39:48.400 That's what we do.

00:39:49.400 We argue about politics all the time.

00:39:50.400 Not with my wife, by the way.

00:39:51.400 No.

00:39:52.400 Yeah.

00:39:53.400 She's my work wife.

00:39:54.400 Yeah.

00:39:55.400 We think...

00:39:56.400 I mean, that's fine.

00:39:57.400 I just think...

00:39:58.400 Like, I just prefer more traditional relationships.

00:40:00.400 So, I just prefer relationships where you're submitting to your husband's authority.

00:40:06.400 Okay.

00:40:07.400 But that's great.

00:40:08.400 I'm like...

00:40:09.400 Yeah.

00:40:10.400 You know, sign me up.

00:40:11.400 But there are lots of women who don't want that.

00:40:13.400 Shouldn't they be allowed to do that?

00:40:15.400 Yeah, they can.

00:40:16.400 I mean, I can't take away the vote.

00:40:17.400 It's here.

00:40:18.400 But I actually would be okay with...

00:40:20.400 You know what?

00:40:21.400 I've thought about this too.

00:40:22.400 Because, you know, I'm like, are women really not going to be able to vote?

00:40:25.400 I feel like the outcomes...

00:40:26.400 My opinion, to be more precise, it's probably that the outcomes would be better if women

00:40:31.400 didn't vote.

00:40:32.400 I'll take one for the team.

00:40:34.400 However...

00:40:35.400 However...

00:40:37.400 I would be okay with the taxpayer thing.

00:40:39.400 But, you know, where it's like only...

00:40:41.400 I think it's like only net taxpayers can vote.

00:40:44.400 Well, that in this country would mean half the country doesn't vote.

00:40:47.400 Which I'm down.

00:40:48.400 I'm down.

00:40:49.400 I just feel like...

00:40:50.400 Okay, because if you're voting, okay, if I'm getting free stuff from the government,

00:40:54.400 why would I ever vote against that?

00:40:56.400 Why would I?

00:40:57.400 So then you're just going to get more free stuff.

00:40:59.400 And more free stuff.

00:41:01.400 Like, it's just...

00:41:02.400 Paul, can I ask you something?

00:41:03.400 Yeah.

00:41:06.400 There's a combination of things going on here.

00:41:08.400 Yeah.

00:41:09.400 On the one hand, I actually think some, not all, but some of the things you say objectively

00:41:13.400 are not untrue.

00:41:15.400 They're true.

00:41:16.400 And what I mean by that is they're true.

00:41:17.400 Right?

00:41:18.400 But also, is there a part of you that's saying them in the way that you're saying them because

00:41:22.400 you're being a bit of a troll?

00:41:24.400 Yeah.

00:41:25.400 Yeah.

00:41:26.400 Am I saying them...

00:41:28.400 The way that you're saying them.

00:41:30.400 I do say things for comedic effect at times.

00:41:32.400 Yeah.

00:41:33.400 Sure.

00:41:34.400 Yeah.

00:41:35.400 I don't say things I don't believe.

00:41:36.400 I change my opinion sometimes.

00:41:38.400 Mm-hmm.

00:41:39.400 Yeah.

00:41:40.400 Does that answer your question?

00:41:41.400 No.

00:41:42.400 Yeah.

00:41:43.400 Oh.

00:41:44.400 No.

00:41:45.400 Yes, as in just to go along with it.

00:41:46.400 Yeah.

00:41:47.400 But what...

00:41:48.400 No, it doesn't answer my question because I guess what I'm asking you is, are you saying

00:41:52.400 things in a more incendiary, inflammatory way because you know that gets attention?

00:41:56.400 You mean like calling women whales?

00:41:58.400 Yes.

00:41:59.400 No, I just think it's funny.

00:42:06.400 Men can be whales too, by the way.

00:42:08.400 Yeah.

00:42:09.400 I know.

00:42:10.400 Yeah.

00:42:11.400 It means something different.

00:42:12.400 But the men whale...

00:42:13.400 Okay, I need to say this.

00:42:14.400 All right.

00:42:15.400 The men whales accept their outcomes.

00:42:17.400 They don't complain.

00:42:18.400 That's true.

00:42:19.400 And that's what I'm sick of.

00:42:20.400 No, that's not true.

00:42:21.400 What about themselves?

00:42:22.400 The male whales...

00:42:23.400 Oh, what person...

00:42:24.400 Come on.

00:42:25.400 You're telling me there's a whole body positive movement.

00:42:28.400 For men?

00:42:29.400 No.

00:42:30.400 Fuck that.

00:42:31.400 No, you're telling me it's the same.

00:42:32.400 Like, but this is the other thing we have in society.

00:42:33.400 See, he did it.

00:42:34.400 It's like, whenever we talk about anything with the women, the automatic reaction, but

00:42:38.400 men.

00:42:39.400 Yeah.

00:42:40.400 But men.

00:42:41.400 Like, it's like a pattern that I noticed.

00:42:42.400 And...

00:42:43.400 Yeah.

00:42:44.400 Because the men...

00:42:45.400 The men whales, the men whales, they accept their outcomes.

00:42:48.400 They know they're not getting laid.

00:42:49.400 They know they're not doing shit.

00:42:50.400 The women, they whine.

00:42:52.400 They whine.

00:42:53.400 I'm just like, stop whining.

00:42:54.400 He chose to be fat.

00:42:56.400 Yeah.

00:42:57.400 You know, there's also a double standard in terms of obesity in that, like, for men,

00:43:02.400 it's okay to...

00:43:03.400 Like, I...

00:43:04.400 Also, women are more obese than men.

00:43:05.400 Thank you.

00:43:06.400 In the U.S. anyway.

00:43:07.400 I don't know here, but...

00:43:08.400 We've noticed.

00:43:09.400 70% to 80% of women are overweight.

00:43:10.400 We've noticed when we were in the U.S.

00:43:12.400 But, you know, I used to take the piss out of Francis for being overweight, and I was

00:43:17.400 fine.

00:43:18.400 He's lost weight.

00:43:19.400 He's a bit miserable now, because he doesn't get to eat the food that he likes.

00:43:22.400 Yeah.

00:43:23.400 But he's healthy.

00:43:24.400 Right?

00:43:25.400 I don't think if Francis was female, it would be in any way acceptable for me to sit here

00:43:32.400 and joke about that, and for us to have that kind of banter.

00:43:34.400 Yeah, she couldn't take it.

00:43:36.400 Yeah, no.

00:43:37.400 You can't.

00:43:38.400 No, you can't.

00:43:39.400 Yeah.

00:43:40.400 But...

00:43:41.400 So, to go back to the...

00:43:42.400 To the comment, when you said, I agreed, what my...

00:43:45.400 I was saying was, yes, I see your point, but...

00:43:49.400 So, for instance, with whales, and I'm approaching this from a comedian's point of view.

00:43:54.400 Okay.

00:43:55.400 In that, I know the language that I use will elicit a particular response.

00:44:00.400 And that word will elicit a particular response.

00:44:04.400 My choice of language will elicit a particular response from an audience member, depending

00:44:08.400 on what button I want to push.

00:44:11.400 Are you as methodical as that?

00:44:13.400 No.

00:44:14.400 I just say shit...

00:44:16.400 Can you not tell?

00:44:17.400 I just say shit I think is funny.

00:44:19.400 I mean, true, right?

00:44:21.400 But funny.

00:44:22.400 And I think it's funny to call them whales, yeah.

00:44:25.400 And when I call them whales, I'm not talking about...

00:44:28.400 All right, because this is the other thing.

00:44:29.400 Well, what about the nice whales?

00:44:31.400 Okay.

00:44:32.400 Half the whales that I call whales, they call me ugly first.

00:44:36.400 Okay.

00:44:37.400 And that's what that one girl did, because this is how...

00:44:39.400 I'll tell you how the whale incident started.

00:44:41.400 This is how I started calling women whales.

00:44:43.400 Because, because this woman, this woman, the one that attacked me, the whale attack,

00:44:48.400 she was like, I'll have you, you slack.

00:44:51.400 She called me slack first, so I called her a whale back.

00:44:53.400 So I was like, you're a whale.

00:44:55.400 You're a whale.

00:44:56.400 She started it.

00:44:57.400 I just finished it, you know.

00:44:59.400 Thank you.

00:45:00.400 Yeah.

00:45:02.400 Yeah.

00:45:03.400 Do you get on well with women generally, Paul?

00:45:05.400 They love me.

00:45:09.400 A small minority, I imagine.

00:45:11.400 No, actually, I've always had, like, girlfriends, so...

00:45:14.400 Do you know what?

00:45:15.400 I have to say, in your defense, not that I'm agreeing with this, I increasingly do see

00:45:19.400 women, particularly on the right, like Jessica Vaughn, who's a friend of mine on Twitter.

00:45:23.400 She's...

00:45:24.400 She's like, yeah, women shouldn't vote.

00:45:27.400 I just think the outcomes would be better.

00:45:30.400 Like, I feel like we took...

00:45:31.400 I'm a conservative, so if we took out the...

00:45:33.400 It would just be...

00:45:34.400 It would go my way more.

00:45:36.400 It would go...

00:45:37.400 What is your way?

00:45:38.400 What does that mean?

00:45:39.400 I'm more conservative.

00:45:40.400 Okay, but what does that mean?

00:45:41.400 I'm in the US, Republicans winning.

00:45:43.400 Okay.

00:45:44.400 I mean, that is factually correct, by the way.

00:45:46.400 Yeah, I'm like, personally, so me, I'm like, I think the outcomes would be better for America

00:45:51.400 if it was more Republican.

00:45:52.400 So I'll take one for the team, guys.

00:45:54.400 I'll do it for you.

00:45:55.400 I'll do it for you.

00:45:56.400 And what does that mean, the outcomes?

00:45:58.400 The outcomes?

00:45:59.400 Well, one thing I would like to see is the laws change in terms of child custody.

00:46:06.400 I think it should be 50-50, or maybe even take the government out of it.

00:46:11.400 I mean, I'm not like a diehard politics person, to be honest, so I'm pro-life, so I think

00:46:17.400 that would be a better outcome for me, pro-gun.

00:46:20.400 Yeah.

00:46:21.400 I don't believe in...

00:46:22.400 I don't want to pay a lot of taxes, so take out the taxes, take out the government benefits.

00:46:27.400 So basically, what you're saying is women vote left, and because you are on the right,

00:46:31.400 you'd like women not to be able to vote.

00:46:35.400 I think the outcomes would be better if women didn't vote for me.

00:46:39.400 But, and also, like, women are just more swayed by, like, media.

00:46:43.400 So we make 70-80% of consumer buying decisions.

00:46:46.400 Yeah.

00:46:47.400 So I just feel like women, like, we're just not as logical.

00:46:51.400 Where men go off of, like...

00:46:53.400 Like, women, we vote based on how we feel.

00:46:56.400 Where men will look at, like, the pros and the cons of something.

00:47:00.400 So...

00:47:01.400 She's making good points, mate.

00:47:03.400 Yeah, it's like, okay, we don't even know.

00:47:05.400 We don't even know what we want for dinner.

00:47:07.400 Okay, we don't even know what we want for dinner.

00:47:09.400 Do you think we should pick the leader of the free world?

00:47:11.400 And they'll be like, well, not all women.

00:47:14.400 Okay.

00:47:15.400 I think I know more successful women than most.

00:47:19.400 Just being in that line of work, I know a lot of women that have done well.

00:47:23.400 I played...

00:47:24.400 I had a pro volleyball contract offered.

00:47:26.400 I know a lot of women in sports that played at the highest level, that have achieved a lot of things.

00:47:30.400 But at the end of the day, we're all still women.

00:47:33.400 So I'll take one for the team, guys.

00:47:35.400 Yeah.

00:47:36.400 Okay.

00:47:37.400 That's interesting.

00:47:38.400 So that being the case, we can all agree that America is right-leaning, more right-leaning than the UK.

00:47:43.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:44.400 So why be...

00:47:45.400 I think.

00:47:46.400 I'm not a die-hard politics person.

00:47:47.400 But yeah, but no, but we all...

00:47:49.400 I think that's a pretty standard viewpoint.

00:47:51.400 So why the UK then, Poe, as opposed to America?

00:47:54.400 Oh, I'll tell you why.

00:47:55.400 So I didn't mean to end up here.

00:47:57.400 Yeah, I didn't mean to.

00:47:58.400 It was like an accident.

00:48:00.400 So I, before YouTube, was playing semi-pro, or I was playing...

00:48:05.400 No, sorry.

00:48:06.400 I need to start over.

00:48:07.400 So when I got out of college, I was selling copiers.

00:48:10.400 And I decided that I wanted to play volleyball overseas.

00:48:13.400 I was going to try to get a pro contract.

00:48:15.400 And I was recruited to play volleyball here.

00:48:18.400 So I was a year programmed to get my master's.

00:48:24.400 And at the end of the year, you hypothetically get a pro contract, which I did with the YouTube stuff.

00:48:30.400 Like, so...

00:48:31.400 Yeah, so I kind of like...

00:48:33.400 I started the show when I got here, and I didn't expect it to get huge.

00:48:37.400 You know what I mean?

00:48:38.400 Yep.

00:48:39.400 So then I kind of just got stuck here, because I was like, I'd have to move my producer.

00:48:43.400 I mean, you know how it is if you guys wanted to move this whole operation.

00:48:46.400 What a headache it would be.

00:48:48.400 Yes.

00:48:49.400 Yeah, like imagine.

00:48:50.400 So I'd have to...

00:48:51.400 I'm like, the voltage converters.

00:48:53.400 Like...

00:48:54.400 So I kind of accidentally ended up here, but I am going to leave eventually.

00:48:58.400 Are you?

00:48:59.400 Yeah.

00:49:00.400 I can see why.

00:49:01.400 I don't think your opinions are that widely shared in this country.

00:49:03.400 No.

00:49:04.400 No, they love me here.

00:49:06.400 Listen, there's something else...

00:49:08.400 I think it's been by...

00:49:10.400 You know, we call the show trigonometry.

00:49:12.400 Yeah.

00:49:13.400 But even by our standards, this has been pretty triggering for a lot of people.

00:49:16.400 However, there's something even more triggering that I do have to ask you about, because in

00:49:20.400 between the time that we booked you to come on the show, and you actually coming on the

00:49:24.400 show, you had a guy called Nick Fuentes that you interviewed.

00:49:28.400 Oh, yeah.

00:49:29.400 Yeah, Nick.

00:49:30.400 Yeah.

00:49:31.400 And then you did an interview with this guy.

00:49:33.400 Like, this is not a guy we would ever have on, because he's a racist, Holocaust denying

00:49:38.400 piece of shit, as far as I'm concerned.

00:49:40.400 But you had him on, and then you took that interview down and apologized.

00:49:45.400 Mm-hmm.

00:49:46.400 So what happened with that whole thing?

00:49:47.400 Oh, there's...

00:49:48.400 I can't talk too much.

00:49:49.400 There's, like, legal things going on.

00:49:51.400 There's legal things going on.

00:49:52.400 Yeah, there's...

00:49:53.400 Not with Nick, but just, yeah.

00:49:55.400 But there's...

00:49:57.400 I have a video coming out about that whole thing.

00:50:00.400 You do.

00:50:01.400 So you guys have to wait for the video.

00:50:03.400 Well...

00:50:04.400 But I will say, I did not find Nick to be racist.

00:50:07.400 My staff actually did not find him to be racist.

00:50:10.400 Wait, he was talking to an Italian girl next to you, and saying that she shouldn't have

00:50:15.400 a black boyfriend, or something along those lines.

00:50:18.400 He doesn't believe in...

00:50:20.400 See, I don't really want to go into, like, the race-mixing stuff too much.

00:50:23.400 No, but you just said he wasn't being racist, and I watched him be racist on your show.

00:50:27.400 Well, I mean, to me, he says the same things that, like...

00:50:30.400 Like, there's a lot of people that think like that when...

00:50:32.400 But it doesn't make it less racist, just because other people think it.

00:50:35.400 You could say that, but to me, it's like...

00:50:37.400 How do I put it?

00:50:39.400 His argument is more about culture.

00:50:41.400 It's easier if you date someone in your culture.

00:50:43.400 She...

00:50:45.400 You'd have to watch the full thing, but was, like, being a bit, like, combative to him.

00:50:50.400 And to me, he was just, like, kidding.

00:50:53.400 But, yeah.

00:50:54.400 He did say, I am a bit racist, even in that...

00:50:57.400 And in fact, in your apology, you said that he said racist things.

00:51:00.400 Mm-hmm.

00:51:01.400 Um, well, there's a video coming out about all of that, but you'll see.

00:51:05.400 It's coming out.

00:51:06.400 Well, the reason I'm asking you is because it's kind of like a big deal that you had this

00:51:10.400 guy on.

00:51:11.400 Mm-hmm.

00:51:12.400 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:51:13.400 Mm-hmm.

00:51:14.400 He is incredibly toxic.

00:51:16.400 Um...

00:51:17.400 Like, I'm just telling you my personal experience with him.

00:51:19.400 Um, we filmed hours and hours and hours of footage with him.

00:51:22.400 There is that one...

00:51:24.400 Like, to me, if you watch the full clip, it puts it in a little bit of context.

00:51:28.400 Yeah.

00:51:29.400 But, uh, he was really polite.

00:51:31.400 He showed up on time.

00:51:32.400 Like, we just...

00:51:33.400 Yeah.

00:51:34.400 He also...

00:51:35.400 And honestly, he did a panel, and he spoke about his opinions on race mixing, and a lot

00:51:39.400 of people agreed with him.

00:51:41.400 Okay.

00:51:42.400 But that doesn't change whether it's racist or not, right?

00:51:44.400 But what I'm getting to...

00:51:45.400 Do you think it's racist to like...

00:51:46.400 Because I'm curious.

00:51:47.400 Yeah.

00:51:48.400 Do you think it's racist like if I'm Irish and I say I want to date someone that's Irish?

00:51:51.400 Do you think that's racist?

00:51:52.400 No.

00:51:53.400 But if I say to you, you're Irish, therefore you shouldn't date a black man, that is racist.

00:51:57.400 Yeah.

00:51:58.400 If you're Irish and...

00:51:59.400 Because when he spoke about it on the show, it was more about culture than race.

00:52:03.400 Mm.

00:52:04.400 To me, that doesn't really work as an argument, Paul.

00:52:06.400 So I'll give you an example.

00:52:08.400 I'm half Latin American.

00:52:09.400 I take after my dad's Irish side.

00:52:12.400 If I date a Jamaican woman, Jamaica and Venezuela have a very similar culture.

00:52:17.400 We're culturally very similar.

00:52:19.400 We have the same food, the same religion, whatever else.

00:52:22.400 So to me, that argument doesn't work.

00:52:24.400 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:52:25.400 Wait, Venezuela and what?

00:52:26.400 And Jamaica.

00:52:27.400 So Venezuela's at the top of South America, and Jamaica is all Trinidad, which is literally

00:52:32.400 you see it over the water.

00:52:33.400 Yeah.

00:52:34.400 Well, it's just...

00:52:35.400 When he was talking, he was talking about how he wanted to date an Italian woman.

00:52:38.400 Like, versus...

00:52:40.400 Like, he even said he wouldn't want to date a British girl.

00:52:43.400 He'd want to date an Italian woman.

00:52:44.400 So I was like, how is he a white supremacist?

00:52:46.400 No, he's allowed to date who he wants, but him telling your Italian friend she shouldn't

00:52:50.400 be dating a black man, that's the racist part, don't you think?

00:52:53.400 Mm-hmm.

00:52:54.400 I'd have to remember what he said in the clip, but maybe.

00:52:59.400 Yeah, maybe.

00:53:00.400 Okay.

00:53:01.400 So that's why I'm asking you, because you do have controversial guests, as we do, and

00:53:06.400 there's nothing wrong with talking to people who are controversial.

00:53:08.400 But Nick Fuentes is a very different kettle of fish, as we say here, right?

00:53:12.400 Yeah.

00:53:13.400 My opinion is that he was polite overall.

00:53:16.400 I mean, he was a good guest.

00:53:17.400 He was also denying the Holocaust, from what I remember.

00:53:20.400 Look, I'm not with that.

00:53:22.400 Keep me out of that one.

00:53:23.400 I'm not with the race.

00:53:24.400 Like, that's not my thing.

00:53:25.400 But I just think people are allowed to have their opinions.

00:53:27.400 So if he has crazy opinions, let him have his opinions.

00:53:30.400 And I think he should be allowed to talk about it on a podcast.

00:53:33.400 But isn't it also the duty, Pearl, of the person interviewing them to push back on those opinions

00:53:38.400 when they come up, and actually challenge them, and investigate them, and to basically push back on it?

00:53:46.400 Yeah, I mean, we could do another show where we push back more.

00:53:48.400 It's not the end-all, be-all.

00:53:50.400 But surely, isn't that the risk?

00:53:53.400 I wanted to do, like, one with Dr. Umar, but he didn't want to come.

00:53:56.400 Sad.

00:53:57.400 Who's Dr. Umar?

00:53:58.400 I don't know who that is.

00:53:59.400 Dr. Umar has, like, the same opinions as Nick.

00:54:00.400 Like, he doesn't believe in race mixing, too.

00:54:02.400 He's just black.

00:54:03.400 Yeah.

00:54:04.400 That's like a common, yeah.

00:54:05.400 Yeah, there are some people who believe that, sure.

00:54:07.400 Yeah.

00:54:08.400 But, you know, when you were talking about the Holocaust with him, he was saying it's like slavery,

00:54:13.400 it got embellished, and you were sort of going, hmm, I can see your point.

00:54:17.400 And that's what I found a bit confusing, because then, in your apology, you said,

00:54:21.400 well, I wasn't really educated on these things.

00:54:23.400 Yeah, um...

00:54:24.400 But it sounds like you're kind of taking that back now.

00:54:26.400 Again, um, there's a statement coming out on everything, so you guys just have to wait for it.

00:54:30.400 Yeah.

00:54:31.400 I, well...

00:54:32.400 I just, yeah, go ahead.

00:54:33.400 From our perspective, we're kind of saying to you what we thought you might have said to him,

00:54:38.400 which is, if a guest says or does something controversial, you kind of want to ask and find out why they've done that.

00:54:44.400 And we have to make...

00:54:45.400 By the way, if this is coming across as confrontational, it's not the intention at all,

00:54:50.400 because whenever I see a guest not be challenged enough on someone's show,

00:54:55.400 I often think they're, by the grace of God, go I.

00:54:59.400 Because we've had people on the show who've said controversial things,

00:55:02.400 and I've sort of missed the moment.

00:55:04.400 And I kind of didn't challenge them enough, and I felt bad about it afterwards.

00:55:07.400 Yeah.

00:55:08.400 I don't know if you remember, because you're not a political person, you might not.

00:55:11.400 There was a guy called Darren Grimes, who had a guy called Dr. David Starkey on,

00:55:16.400 and he said something about how, of course, slavery wasn't genocide,

00:55:19.400 otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in the West, right?

00:55:24.400 And that got picked up by all the media, and they all had a go at him.

00:55:27.400 And I just saw a fairly young, inexperienced interviewer in Darren

00:55:31.400 fail to challenge someone who he looked up to and respected on what was just a bad phrasing,

00:55:37.400 more than anything, right?

00:55:39.400 So I totally understand why you may have missed something

00:55:43.400 or not have jumped in on something that you maybe felt that you should have jumped in on.

00:55:48.400 But the reason that Francis and I would never have Nick Fuentes on

00:55:53.400 is precisely because he says all that shit all the time.

00:55:56.400 So if you were to actually challenge him on some of his abhorrent views,

00:55:59.400 you'd spend the entire three hours doing that.

00:56:01.400 Did you watch the full video?

00:56:03.400 I watched some of it, not the full video.

00:56:05.400 Okay.

00:56:06.400 I did challenge him at points of it.

00:56:08.400 Okay.

00:56:09.400 Tell us about that.

00:56:10.400 I mean, we had a whole panel on race mixing.

00:56:12.400 Yeah.

00:56:13.400 And that was why he came out.

00:56:15.400 Like the political stuff was just cause he was there.

00:56:18.400 Like, so I did a one-on-one as like a,

00:56:20.400 the reason I brought him on was I saw him on no jumper,

00:56:22.400 like talking about race mixing.

00:56:25.400 And I've heard that point of view,

00:56:27.400 but it's usually like not,

00:56:30.400 people look different that have that point of view usually.

00:56:34.400 So like,

00:56:37.400 I've heard it, but I've just never heard it like that, I guess.

00:56:42.400 So we just brought him on a panel just like about race mixing.

00:56:45.400 And they did a whole panel on it.

00:56:47.400 But then he was denying the Holocaust.

00:56:49.400 You know, that was crazy.

00:56:51.400 Yeah.

00:56:52.400 That was.

00:56:53.400 But that's what he does.

00:56:54.400 That's why I'm asking you.

00:56:55.400 But we brought him on to talk about race mixing.

00:56:57.400 That's what we brought him on.

00:56:59.400 Cause it's a relationship show.

00:57:00.400 And then we just interviewed him cause he was there.

00:57:02.400 But there will be people per who will say, well,

00:57:05.400 if you're going to bring that person on and look again,

00:57:07.400 this isn't to, you know,

00:57:09.400 misrepresent or do any of those types of things.

00:57:11.400 The reason we have this show is so we can talk and have honest

00:57:15.400 conversations.

00:57:16.400 Cause part of this is for me to clarify my thinking about different

00:57:20.400 issues.

00:57:21.400 That's why we do the show.

00:57:22.400 But part of it is also when you bring someone on,

00:57:26.400 you can't also ignore that element of it.

00:57:30.400 Do you see what I mean?

00:57:31.400 I just don't know what you mean by ignore.

00:57:33.400 No,

00:57:34.400 because if you're not addressing the fact that he's a Holocaust

00:57:37.400 denier,

00:57:38.400 then you're ignoring that.

00:57:40.400 Do you see what I mean?

00:57:41.400 I mean,

00:57:42.400 I don't agree that the Holocaust didn't happen.

00:57:44.400 Yeah.

00:57:45.400 That's reassuring.

00:57:47.400 Like,

00:57:48.400 um,

00:57:49.400 yeah.

00:57:50.400 I mean,

00:57:51.400 I,

00:57:52.400 I was just listening to him and I think you're allowed to listen

00:57:53.400 to people that you might not agree with.

00:57:55.400 And I think as women were more agreeable than men.

00:57:57.400 So a lot of times you might take it as me agreeing.

00:58:00.400 Um,

00:58:01.400 but no,

00:58:02.400 I didn't.

00:58:03.400 You did say,

00:58:04.400 so it's kind of like slavery.

00:58:05.400 It's been embellished.

00:58:06.400 I was talking about how people use atrocities to control

00:58:08.400 people.

00:58:09.400 And I was quoting Thomas Sowell,

00:58:10.400 who's a black author.

00:58:11.400 I'm a big fan of Thomas Sowell.

00:58:13.400 Yeah.

00:58:14.400 So I was quoting Thomas Sowell and speaking about his ideas.

00:58:16.400 If people watch the full interview.

00:58:18.400 Yeah.

00:58:19.400 Um,

00:58:20.400 and I said that in the interview.

00:58:21.400 Yeah.

00:58:22.400 The,

00:58:23.400 I was talking about how people use an atrocity to control people.

00:58:26.400 Yeah.

00:58:27.400 So,

00:58:28.400 but you don't think that's what happened with the Holocaust.

00:58:30.400 Um,

00:58:31.400 it sounded like it based on what he was saying,

00:58:34.400 but.

00:58:35.400 He's a well-known Holocaust.

00:58:36.400 And I,

00:58:37.400 of course it would sound like that.

00:58:38.400 That's where I was feeling.

00:58:39.400 Sorry.

00:58:40.400 Sorry.

00:58:41.400 Sorry.

00:58:42.400 Forgive me.

00:58:43.400 I was talking about.

00:58:44.400 It sounded like some of Thomas Sowell's ideas.

00:58:46.400 Um,

00:58:47.400 but do I think that the Holocaust didn't happen?

00:58:49.400 No,

00:58:50.400 that's crazy.

00:58:51.400 Um,

00:58:52.400 go ahead.

00:58:53.400 So.

00:58:54.400 I guess.

00:58:55.400 What is,

00:58:56.400 what do you think your responsibility is when you bring on controversial guests onto the show?

00:59:04.400 Do you have any responsibility?

00:59:05.400 What,

00:59:06.400 what do you believe?

00:59:07.400 For the guests?

00:59:08.400 Um,

00:59:09.400 no,

00:59:10.400 not for the guests,

00:59:11.400 for the content that you put out.

00:59:12.400 Well,

00:59:13.400 yeah,

00:59:14.400 I'm responsible for all the content I put out.

00:59:17.400 You're responsible for all the content that you put out.

00:59:19.400 And you now look at that and think you shouldn't have done that.

00:59:22.400 You made a mistake.

00:59:23.400 You made an error.

00:59:24.400 What?

00:59:25.400 I don't regret having someone controversial on.

00:59:28.400 If I had to do it again,

00:59:29.400 I would have maybe had someone on the opposite end of the argument that could push back.

00:59:33.400 Um,

00:59:34.400 but how I probably would have did it if I had to do it again,

00:59:36.400 one full interview with both of them,

00:59:38.400 let them talk,

00:59:39.400 let them say what they're going to say and then bring them together.

00:59:42.400 So who would you have on the other sense?

00:59:45.400 So you'd have Dr.

00:59:46.400 Umar.

00:59:47.400 Yeah,

00:59:48.400 but that's not,

00:59:49.400 that's,

00:59:50.400 those are two people who share the same political,

00:59:52.400 the same viewpoint.

00:59:53.400 Just one happens to be white,

00:59:54.400 one happens to be black.

00:59:55.400 Mm-hmm.

00:59:56.400 That's not,

00:59:57.400 that is,

00:59:58.400 that's playing on.

00:59:59.400 Do you see that's kind of identity politics?

01:00:00.400 Well,

01:00:01.400 yeah,

01:00:02.400 but then we did a whole panel with people that disagreed with him.

01:00:04.400 So,

01:00:05.400 we did do that.

01:00:06.400 All right.

01:00:07.400 Yeah.

01:00:08.400 Well,

01:00:09.400 I,

01:00:10.400 what I'm a bit confused about is,

01:00:12.400 you did a whole apology,

01:00:14.400 but it sounds like you're not.

01:00:15.400 Can you guys stop asking me about this?

01:00:16.400 Like I said,

01:00:17.400 it kind of matters.

01:00:18.400 I have a statement coming out about it.

01:00:20.400 Yeah.

01:00:21.400 Okay.

01:00:22.400 Okay.

01:00:23.400 All right.

01:00:24.400 Well,

01:00:25.400 we'll leave it to your statement.

01:00:26.400 Listen,

01:00:27.400 we always wrap up the show with the same question we ask all our guests,

01:00:28.400 which is,

01:00:29.400 what's the one thing you think we're not talking about that we really should be?

01:00:31.400 Um,

01:00:32.400 men's issues.

01:00:33.400 Yeah.

01:00:34.400 That's my,

01:00:35.400 yeah.

01:00:36.400 Do you want to elaborate or happy to leave it there?

01:00:38.400 Um,

01:00:39.400 no,

01:00:40.400 I would just say like men,

01:00:41.400 I just think men not getting custody of their kids.

01:00:43.400 I think that is an issue that nobody talks about.

01:00:45.400 Okay.

01:00:46.400 Sweet.

01:00:47.400 Well,

01:00:48.400 Pearl,

01:00:49.400 thank you very much.

01:00:50.400 Where can people find you online?

01:00:51.400 So you can look up just pearly things on YouTube.

01:00:53.400 All right.

01:00:54.400 Well,

01:00:55.400 thanks for coming on the show and thank you guys for watching and listening.

01:00:57.400 We'll see you very soon with another brilliant interview like this one.

01:01:00.400 Probably won't be quite like this one.

01:01:01.400 Uh,

01:01:02.400 or,

01:01:03.400 or so,

01:01:04.400 uh,

01:01:05.400 take care and see you soon.

01:01:06.400 And for those of you who like your trigonometry on the go,

01:01:07.400 it's always available as a podcast.

01:01:08.400 Take care and see you soon guys.

01:01:10.400 What did did.

01:01:12.400 And do you think of Andrew take considering,

01:01:15.400 you know,

01:01:16.400 he featured highly in your podcast.

TRIGGERnometry - April 09, 2023

Pearl Davis： Why I Interviewed Nick Fuentes

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