Pearl Davis： Why I Interviewed Nick Fuentes
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Summary
In this episode of Trigonometry, we interview YouTuber Pearl Davis, who started her show a year ago and is now on over a million subscribers. In this episode, we discuss racism in the media, feminism, and why women should vote for the same person as their husband.
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Women will play the victims when they started it.
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Like, you can't hit a guy and not expect to get hit back.
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I think we should teach the women not to hit someone stronger than them.
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And they'll say, like, men are responsible for all the whores, you know?
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But I really think it's on the whores for being whores.
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I recently decided that women shouldn't vote.
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You should be voting for the same person as your husband.
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You want to be in a house where you're arguing about politics?
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You had a guy called Nick Fuentes that you interviewed.
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My staff actually did not find him to be racist.
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And in fact, in your apology, you said that he said racist things.
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What I'm a bit confused about is you did a whole apology.
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And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
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As you know, what we do on Trigonometry is talk to people with a variety of different views.
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Our guests are often outspoken or controversial.
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But no matter who we're talking to, we always approach our interviews in good faith.
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Don't misrepresent them and challenge them respectfully if we disagree.
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A couple of days ago, we interviewed a YouTuber called Just Pearly Things.
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Now, in between booking her to come on the show several weeks ago and actually doing the interview on Thursday,
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she hosted a well-known white supremacist openly racist Holocaust denier called Nick Fuentes on her show.
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Understandably, that generated a lot of pushback and she deleted the interview and issued a lengthy apology.
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Given that, we were happy to go ahead with the interview.
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And we obviously had to bring up the situation.
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It's never our intention to make our guests look bad, but we also have a duty to ask these questions
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and to challenge people when what they're saying doesn't make sense to us.
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When we asked about the apology, let's just say things got very awkward very quickly.
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What you're about to watch is the full, unedited interview.
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We haven't cut or added anything so that, as always, you, the viewer, can make up your own mind.
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Our brilliant guest today is a fellow YouTuber who started her show a year ago
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and is now on over a million subscribers, Pearl Davis, a.k.a. Just Pearly Things.
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As I just bigged you up, you've absolutely smashed it.
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Before we get into all of that, tell everybody, who are you?
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What's been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?
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Tell everybody what the show is because a lot of people wouldn't have seen it.
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So, I feel like most media today is catered towards women, pandering towards women.
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You know, you shouldn't get super fat after you get married just because you got a ring.
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So, we bring in men and women to talk about different relationship topics and then we
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So, I also work a lot with the court system here.
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I'm doing a documentary on men getting custody of their kids.
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But one of the things you did with your show, and I don't know if you were one of the first
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ones, but it's definitely a format that's really skyrocketed.
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I can't open my Twitter now without, you know, eight people sitting around the table
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Often, they don't know what they're talking about.
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But it's a format of bringing kind of random people together, partly random.
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And you also have famous people, and we'll talk about that as well.
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Was that something that you saw other people doing?
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I would say Fresh and Fit in Miami were probably the first ones to do that, so I went on their
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And what I liked about London is it was one of the most diverse places I've ever lived.
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So I just thought it would be cool to bring everyone in a room and talk about something
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that we all have in common, which is relationships.
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And so, but why do you pick the subjects that you do?
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Why are you drawn to the subjects that you discuss?
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Because they are controversial, they can get you into hot water, et cetera.
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I just, I follow what interests me, and I just thought those subjects were interesting.
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A lot of people think it's like a lot more drawn out.
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Every week I'm just like, oh, that's an interesting topic, and we go for it.
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Sometimes we add in some conservative stuff, but it's like mostly about relationships.
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In particular, do you feel that relationships are in crisis now, or we don't value relationships,
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I mean, I just think men aren't allowed to have standards in society.
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And that's just like the one thing I noticed, like whenever men say that they want something
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in a relationship, like women always shame them for it.
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And I just thought it was so interesting how we never like talk about the men's point of view.
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So when I first started, I started like introducing my friends to like certain types of content.
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So I would be like, well, have you ever thought about this this way?
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Oh, if a guy says, I don't want the town whore, you know, then he's slut shaming.
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You know, if he says, I don't want to like, it's like any time a guy demands something out of a relationship,
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And I just got, oh my gosh, I got so tired in the past year.
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Because I just feel like I would, we would talk about like basic things and the men would say basic things that they wanted.
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And like, they would just continue to be shamed for it.
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And it's just like one of those things, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
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And look, a lot of people have said you use, let's put it fruity language, as they would say in the 1950s in England, like the town whore.
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And so we're just in this world where it's like, girls are doing this crazy, crazy stuff.
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And if anyone has anything to say about it, we're the bad guys.
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Well, that makes a lot of sense because I think a lot of people, including a lot of women,
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I mean, even if you're pro-choice, you'd sort of not be on board with that, most people.
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Well, you think a lot of people are on board with that.
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And do you think that these particular women don't take responsibility for their actions?
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It's like we live in a world where women are bailed out of every single bad decision we make.
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If we want to sleep around, there's birth control.
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If birth control doesn't work, there's abortion.
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If the girl does get pregnant and wants to keep it, she can put the dude on child support
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On top of that, if that doesn't go well, you know, they can give it up for adoption.
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It's like women are always bailed out of every bad decision we make.
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I heard here they gave you free housing if you're a single mother.
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What incentive do we have to make good decisions if we get free shit from the government for making bad decisions?
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But then surely isn't the system at fault rather than the individual, Pearl?
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I mean, I think the system's at fault for like allowing them to do that.
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But I mean, I think your life is your own fault.
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So you can't tell me a girl had seven abortions.
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Francis always likes to blame the system because he's an old school lefty.
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But if you have a system that allows bad people to do or bad people to get away with the bad things that they do, then, of course, the system's at fault, too.
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So I kind of see both sides when it comes to that.
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And do you, are these your politics that inform your worldview?
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I would say I'm like more conservative, but like, no, it's just what I see in front of me, like, to be honest.
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I thought you were going to say something else there.
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And how how have you found the experience of like just bringing in because you just literally do you just grab people off the street?
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Basically, a year ago, I started with like my teammates, but I dunked on them a little too hard.
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Because this one girl was trying to say that a guy that likes younger women was a pedophile.
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And I was just like, no, I wasn't talking about underage women.
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But and I was just like, no, like, that's just natural.
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So you get a bunch of random people who want to come on the show to discuss these things.
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And you clearly, you know, as you said, you were dunking on your own teammates too hard.
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I mean, certainly from our perspective, live in a society where, as you say, people are very uncomfortable with certain things that we all know are true being said out loud in the public eye.
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How does that go when you get a bunch of random people and you start dropping your truth bombs?
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I've had a lot of girls come back and say they changed their opinions after coming on my show, actually, that they see the world in a completely different way.
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Not that come on the show, but like, I don't know.
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So you've had people who've changed their opinions.
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I had one friend that stopped being friends with me last year because I had a post about something that pissed her off.
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And she literally said she stopped being my friend, wouldn't talk to me, whatever.
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She came back three months later and said you were right.
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So when I started doing the show, girls would come forward and they would say like, I was abused, right?
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And my first response as like a person is I believe them, right?
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And I think, you know, you have empathy, right?
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But then you find out that they didn't press any charges against the guy.
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So you're coming on a platform and you're saying I was afraid to press charges, but you're not afraid to talk on my show.
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So people know who her ex is that watch the show.
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So she's publicly defaming this man's character with no proof or evidence.
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And so I just think a lot of times like, or, or they wouldn't, they wouldn't talk about how I would ask the question.
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And that was, I was talking about how like women will play the victims when they started it.
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Like you can't hit a guy and not expect to get hit back.
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Because look, so from my own background, I was raised, whatever happens, whatever you do, you never lay hands on a woman.
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I mean, I, I think they tell men that because they cater to women.
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So why is, why is she exempt from any responsibility?
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If you go up to Dwayne, the rock Johnson and you punch him in the face, is anyone going to feel bad when you get hit back?
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But if a woman hits a man who's stronger than him, there's always a cop out.
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Never hit a, no offense, but never, never hit a woman, blah, blah, blah.
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And now we're having cases where men are dying from women, like in Florida, where that OnlyFans model, did you guys hear about that?
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There was an OnlyFans model who killed her boyfriend.
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And they got first, they thought it was like a mutually abusive relationship.
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And now CCTV footage, I don't know if it's called the same thing there, but elevator footage has come out and like, it's of her like literally beating the shit out of him.
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And like what, she doesn't deserve to get hit?
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I guess the counter argument to that is if a woman hits me, it's not going to do, with the vast majority of cases, that much damage.
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Now we had Veronica Hardy in the studio with her husband Dan, and Veronica's a UFC fighter, and Veronica would destroy me in a matter of seconds.
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But the reality is, I can hit harder than the vast majority of women and cause more damage.
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Yeah, so then it's on the women to not hit the men.
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And this is what I mean, like, when we look at society, there's always like a bailout.
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And I think there's a lot of like, little things that we don't notice in society, where it's like, never hit a woman.
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However, there are exceptions, so this is what I was going to ask you.
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Imagine you're walking down the street with your girlfriend, and a woman runs over and starts beating up your girlfriend.
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So to me, I would physically restrain her, and I would...
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But my whole point in this is like, see right there, that's a bailout.
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The woman made a bad decision, and we put it on the men to bail them out.
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So, it's like, again, if you go, if we're making it a strength argument, right, we're talking about strength.
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You, hitting Dwayne The Rock Johnson, he can't hit you back then.
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It's like, women are always seen as the victim, even if they started it.
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And that was my point, like, with that post, is like, these women will play the victim on my show.
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And this has happened so many, like, so many times, where a girl will come forward, I was abused, this happened, this happened.
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And this is the thing, like, in society, they act like we can't ask any questions.
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When a woman says abuse, I don't say the R word on my grape, whatever.
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Well, why are you publicly defaming a man's character?
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We've had a bunch of feminists on the show, and I can hear their voices in my head right now.
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They would say, look, if you look at the statistics, a woman is much more likely to be killed or grape or whatever by her own partner.
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So the biggest threat to a woman is the person, the man that she's living with, right?
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Men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime.
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If men are more likely to be victims of, because then they'll always say, oh, well, I can't walk home alone at night.
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I got attacked by a whale because of that statement.
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Do you not think, though, that if we live in a society where we have what biologists call sexual dimorphism, like men are different to women physically, right?
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Because women are physically, on average, less able to protect themselves, we should have some sort of extra care.
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I'm not saying, you know, never hit a woman, because I can envisage a situation where, in self-defense or whatever, that may happen.
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But we have to teach men to be extra careful with the strength that they have, particularly when they're dealing with women.
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I think we should teach the women not to hit someone stronger than them.
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Don't hit, like, you should teach the women, don't hit anyone if you don't expect to get hit back.
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And I don't think anyone should be able to press charges on a guy.
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Yeah, but what about if she hit first, and then it escalated, and as a result of that, she was severely beaten?
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That surely should be able to press charges, because the level of violence is disproportionate to the situation.
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If you hit through Dwayne The Rock Johnson first, then he beat the shit out of you.
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If you give him brain damage, I think he probably could press charges.
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Yeah, absolutely, because it'd be grievous bodily harm.
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Because the whole, at least in English law, and there'll be somebody who corrects me on this, it's self-defense, Pearl.
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If you attack me, I'm allowed to defend myself.
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But then it comes a point where I'm no longer defending myself, and I become the aggressor.
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I just genuinely believe that you should not hit someone and not expect to get hit back.
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And I just don't think you can really play the victim if you hit first.
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Yeah, but it's just interesting how in society it's like, see, you kind of like, not just you, it's like very common.
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We always like take the responsibility off of the women and like put it on the men somehow.
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I think, you know what, while I think the way that you're talking is quite blunt about it, there is some truth to what you're saying.
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And more broadly, there's other areas where I think that probably applies as well, right?
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Like, can you give us some other examples of what you're talking about?
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Things that you talk to people on the show about?
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Oh, so, like one thing is that men shouldn't sleep with so many women.
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And they'll say, like, men are responsible for all the whores, you know?
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But I really think it's on the whores for being whores.
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It's like, well, they'll be like, well, if the men weren't sleeping around.
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But it's like, okay, what percent of men can sleep around?
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So, by this logic, like, it's more on the women than the men.
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But it's like, then they put it on the small percentage of men that are sleeping around.
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I don't know if you've heard that argument or not.
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I've never heard anyone blame the men for the fact that women are doing a lot of sleeping around.
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Yeah, they always say, like, women, like, but the men are sleeping around when we talk
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It's like, but the men, but the men slept with her too, but, but, but.
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I also, oh, I think it's a hundred percent the woman's fault if you get pregnant.
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Um, because we have 41 forms of birth control and, um, the.
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What if someone keeps, I know someone who was using condoms and birth control.
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I mean, I don't believe in abortion, but it's legal.
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So then you, you, you have a hundred percent control over who's born as a woman.
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But some, but if you have sex, there's always a risk of pregnancy, you know?
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So it's, it, is, is that really fair to say that?
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I guess you could do two vasectomies, condom, no condom.
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41 forms of birth control or no 41 forms of birth control.
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Letting him have access to his kids, not letting him have access to his kids.
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So it's like, if we have all the choice, why don't we have all the responsibility?
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Because there's two people involved in the creation of a child.
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But there's six choices for the woman and one for the man.
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The other thing, like the woman can lie where the man can't.
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And the man could be sleeping with someone and not even know that.
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Where the woman knows if he's wearing a condom or not wearing a condom.
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Like the woman is the only one that's in a situation where she can fully consent to everything.
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Because she knows all the details where the man doesn't.
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I mean, also, there's several instances of a man removing a condom during sex, a woman not noticing, and a man ejaculating in a woman.
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I feel like that's like a cop out, to be honest.
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So what I'm curious about is what happens when you say all this to a bunch of random people that you've brought in off the street?
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I got whale attacked for one of these opinions because this girl was doing street interviews.
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And this girl was like, I can't walk home alone at night.
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And so what she did was she was like, and I was like, well, why don't you just not live in a big city?
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Why don't you just not walk home alone at night in a big city?
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Men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime.
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And then she's like, well, and then she attacks me.
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She, she tries to, she's like, I'll have you, you slag.
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I didn't even know what a slag was, but she was like, I'll have you, you slag.
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And so then, then she like knocks the mic out of my hand.
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And then I got it taken off of my YouTube for privacy.
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That's so, I'm kind of lost for words a little bit because.
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You see, you see some of those girls up and down high streets on a Saturday night.
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Like some girls, I've had girls say they've changed their entire opinion.
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I've had some girls say they never thought of it that way.
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Have you always had these opinions or has your view of this evolved over time?
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Some things, I recently decided that women shouldn't vote.
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Because we're chemically different every single day.
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Does that mean you shouldn't be on YouTube then?
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I feel like if shit goes south, who's going to war?
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You know, I'm going to, let me, let me, let me, let me start from the beginning.
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Actually, I want to, I want to start from how I got.
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You don't want to be jumping on this fucking train.
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So, um, no, he, he, a lot of the stuff in the space of YouTube I'm in, like, he, he's
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just like one of the thought leaders, I would say.
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Is he the Italian comedian who's in his seventies and talks about-
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Because I feel like when I, when I say this, it sounds crazy.
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And when I first heard it, I thought it was crazy.
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But what I heard was that women didn't want to vote.
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What do you mean women didn't want to vote?
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They threw themselves under fucking carriages to vote.
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And that was the, the majority of women when asked if they wanted to vote said no.
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And I was like, why did women not want to vote now?
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So I read some of their, their writings from back then.
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And they basically said, this is the beginning of the breakdown of the family.
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Because back then, when you got married, you became one.
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And you trusted your husband to make that decision.
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And I was like, okay, well, but society's a little different today.
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So, any woman that wanted to vote had to go to war.
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Because you're voting in the U.S. anyway, for your commander in chief.
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Because if they go to war, who's going to have to deal with the consequence?
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And that's where we're at is because if shit goes south and we go to war, the men are the
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one that are going to have to deal with the consequences.
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I felt like if we want to vote, we should be equally, because women want equality, equally
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And now you're thinking, we don't have the draft anymore.
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However, however, we have selective service in the U.S.
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Meaning that if a man, if there's a crisis, right, and we do go to war, the men have to
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be like, like they then can be taken to, I'm butchering it a little bit.
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And if they don't do this, they're fined $100,000.
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Where we have the same rights, but we don't have the same responsibilities if shit goes
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Would I want to be in selective service if I had to pick?
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I will give up the right to vote to not have to do that.
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I think feminists, they want equality, but they don't want the responsibility.
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Now, what's interesting about that is in some countries like Israel, it's men and women
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But also women are far more likely to vote for peaceful and left leaning parties.
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In the last 500 years, queens were more likely to wage war than kings.
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Also, I would dispute the idea that left-wing parties are more peaceful.
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So, you think, so you genuinely believe that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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I don't think it's likely this will ever happen.
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I'm never really going to campaign for this to happen.
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And now this goes back into the documentary that I'm making.
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So, I'm making a documentary on the court system here in the UK.
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I wish I brought my notebook because I have it all laid out in my notebook.
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But the issue in the UK is that men only get custody of their kids 10% of the time.
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Would you agree if you're a kid, you should get 50-50 custody?
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And this will make me very problematic because I am suggesting that men and women are different.
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But as someone who has a young child, they're way better off with their mother on average.
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Over the age of eight, the kids have better outcomes with the father.
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Single father homes have significantly better outcomes than single mother.
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Under their age of eight, though, they need their mother.
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But it's all case specific because if the mother is a psycho, then no.
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He should off the bat be entitled to 50-50 custody.
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Now, they could talk about it based on his work schedule and then switch it, you know.
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Would you agree that 10% of the time, men getting access to their children being the primary custody hold?
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There's a lot of problems with the way that divorce is handled, et cetera.
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I mean, I know people who, someone who was married for a couple of years, they were both professional people working.
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Her career and income were not in any way affected.
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And then they divorced after a couple of years and she got a shit ton of his money for no fucking reason.
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I'll tell you about this guy that I interviewed yesterday.
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And it's going to tie into the voting thing, but it's just going to take a second.
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And he was married to a good girl for 10 years.
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She was, like, of a Muslim background, so they had, like, the same, does that make sense, same background?
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And all of a sudden, there was a restraining order put out against him and an allegation of abuse.
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Because in the UK, you get free lawyers if you claim that the man abused you.
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So, now, he has to pay for a house that's not his.
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So, he has to, because the house is in his name, and he's kicked out of the house because of the restraining order.
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And on top of that, he has to pay child support every month.
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He loses his job because he's so, I mean, he just, he's homeless now.
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He doesn't have access to his kids because he's working in, like, electricity or something.
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And it's, like, a very high-stress job, and, like, you can't have a guy that's.
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Now, his option is he goes to the lawyers, right?
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He can either accept the restraining order and accept and plead guilty, basically, to abuse.
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Or he can pay 20,000 to 30,000 pounds and fight for his kids.
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And this time, the mom is no longer letting him see the kids.
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And the problem is these girls go to women's shelters.
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And at the women's shelters, they have, they basically know the system of how to get the most money and the most time with the kids, right?
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And the other issue with the lawyers is that because they get free counsel from the women's shelter, what incentive do they have to really help the guy?
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I mean, their number one clients are women.
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So, a lot of these men are given bad advice in court.
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So, now, it takes him a year and a half to even be able to fight the restraining order, to even get a chance to get access to his children.
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Now, he's still in court over the whole thing, right?
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I certainly would think about it if I was in that situation where they took out.
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So, you can imagine everything being, like, your business being taken, your house being taken, your kids being taken tomorrow.
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Now, the question is, why is this legal for her to do this?
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Like, why is it legal for her to deny access to the kids with no legal repercussion?
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He doesn't get primary custody, which he only could get 10% of the time, so most likely he loses.
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Spends all this money and all this debt still paying for his old house.
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She can just file another restraining order.
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The other issue, it takes, what happens to two years without seeing your kids?
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You don't know what she's been telling the kid.
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They might not even want to see you after two years.
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There are so many Uber drivers that I've had that talked about how they're Ubering because
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their ex-wife screwed them over in divorce.
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It's not based on if you're guilty or if you're innocent.
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So you can accuse someone of something with no evidence and no repercussions.
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And again, the women's group comes in with all their lawyers.
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And if he does, again, $20,000 to $30,000, the lawyers do not have his best interest at
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And it's legal because the politicians pander to women because the biggest swing voting group
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And what incentive do the men have, do the politicians have to change the laws when they're not going
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And that's happening right in front of our eyes.
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I think they should not have free counsel just like for abuse.
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Allegations of abuse went up 200% in 2013 when they switched that law in the UK.
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So I think that it should be 50-50 custody off the bat.
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And I don't, in terms of restraining orders, I don't think it should be that easy to just
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But the problem is in the courts too is that it's based on, you only have to convince one
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And we're in a society where if a woman cries and is saying, oh, he abused me, he did this,
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I mean, when's the last time a girl said to you or anyone in a room that they were great,
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they were assaulted, they were anything, and anyone really asked questions?
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When I first started the show, I just openly believed women.
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But then you start asking questions and shit doesn't add up.
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And a lot of times at these women's shelters, they're instructing the women with what to say
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So, you know, you know, the idea that like there are repercussions for women voting.
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And a lot of times it's at the expense of men because all of the politicians are catering
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to the women because they are the biggest swing voting group.
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Wouldn't the, I mean, there's a lot of counter arguments to what you're saying, but wouldn't
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one of them be that we lived in a society in which because men were the ones that had the
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And by the way, actually men mostly didn't have the vote for quite a long time as well.
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I just feel like, why do you get a say in something you're not paying into?
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I mean, women now earn more, particularly young women, than young men.
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Yeah, but on average across society, men pay way more tax.
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Partly it's because women take time to have children.
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And, I mean, that's also another argument there.
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Like, you can't just measure your contribution to society by the amount of tax you pay.
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Bringing up the next generation is a hugely valuable thing that women do.
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But shouldn't those women do that with their husbands?
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You should be voting for the same person as your husband.
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I think it's better for the family unit if everyone's on the same page.
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You want to be in a house where you're arguing about politics?
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Like, I just prefer more traditional relationships.
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So, I just prefer relationships where you're submitting to your husband's authority.
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But there are lots of women who don't want that.
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Because, you know, I'm like, are women really not going to be able to vote?
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My opinion, to be more precise, it's probably that the outcomes would be better if women
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Well, that in this country would mean half the country doesn't vote.
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Okay, because if you're voting, okay, if I'm getting free stuff from the government,
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So then you're just going to get more free stuff.
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On the one hand, I actually think some, not all, but some of the things you say objectively
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But also, is there a part of you that's saying them in the way that you're saying them because
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No, it doesn't answer my question because I guess what I'm asking you is, are you saying
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things in a more incendiary, inflammatory way because you know that gets attention?
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You're telling me there's a whole body positive movement.
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Like, but this is the other thing we have in society.
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It's like, whenever we talk about anything with the women, the automatic reaction, but
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The men whales, the men whales, they accept their outcomes.
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You know, there's also a double standard in terms of obesity in that, like, for men,
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But, you know, I used to take the piss out of Francis for being overweight, and I was
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He's a bit miserable now, because he doesn't get to eat the food that he likes.
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I don't think if Francis was female, it would be in any way acceptable for me to sit here
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and joke about that, and for us to have that kind of banter.
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To the comment, when you said, I agreed, what my...
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I was saying was, yes, I see your point, but...
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So, for instance, with whales, and I'm approaching this from a comedian's point of view.
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In that, I know the language that I use will elicit a particular response.
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And that word will elicit a particular response.
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My choice of language will elicit a particular response from an audience member, depending
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And I think it's funny to call them whales, yeah.
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And when I call them whales, I'm not talking about...
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Half the whales that I call whales, they call me ugly first.
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And that's what that one girl did, because this is how...
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This is how I started calling women whales.
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Because, because this woman, this woman, the one that attacked me, the whale attack,
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She called me slack first, so I called her a whale back.
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No, actually, I've always had, like, girlfriends, so...
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I have to say, in your defense, not that I'm agreeing with this, I increasingly do see
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women, particularly on the right, like Jessica Vaughn, who's a friend of mine on Twitter.
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Yeah, I'm like, personally, so me, I'm like, I think the outcomes would be better for America
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Well, one thing I would like to see is the laws change in terms of child custody.
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I think it should be 50-50, or maybe even take the government out of it.
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I mean, I'm not like a diehard politics person, to be honest, so I'm pro-life, so I think
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that would be a better outcome for me, pro-gun.
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I don't want to pay a lot of taxes, so take out the taxes, take out the government benefits.
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So basically, what you're saying is women vote left, and because you are on the right,
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I think the outcomes would be better if women didn't vote for me.
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But, and also, like, women are just more swayed by, like, media.
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So we make 70-80% of consumer buying decisions.
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So I just feel like women, like, we're just not as logical.
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Like, women, we vote based on how we feel.
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Where men will look at, like, the pros and the cons of something.
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Okay, we don't even know what we want for dinner.
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Do you think we should pick the leader of the free world?
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I think I know more successful women than most.
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Just being in that line of work, I know a lot of women that have done well.
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I know a lot of women in sports that played at the highest level, that have achieved a lot of things.
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But at the end of the day, we're all still women.
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So that being the case, we can all agree that America is right-leaning, more right-leaning than the UK.
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So why the UK then, Poe, as opposed to America?
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So I, before YouTube, was playing semi-pro, or I was playing...
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So when I got out of college, I was selling copiers.
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And I decided that I wanted to play volleyball overseas.
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And at the end of the year, you hypothetically get a pro contract, which I did with the YouTube stuff.
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I started the show when I got here, and I didn't expect it to get huge.
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So then I kind of just got stuck here, because I was like, I'd have to move my producer.
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I mean, you know how it is if you guys wanted to move this whole operation.
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So I kind of accidentally ended up here, but I am going to leave eventually.
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I don't think your opinions are that widely shared in this country.
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But even by our standards, this has been pretty triggering for a lot of people.
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However, there's something even more triggering that I do have to ask you about, because in
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between the time that we booked you to come on the show, and you actually coming on the
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show, you had a guy called Nick Fuentes that you interviewed.
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Like, this is not a guy we would ever have on, because he's a racist, Holocaust denying
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But you had him on, and then you took that interview down and apologized.
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I have a video coming out about that whole thing.
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But I will say, I did not find Nick to be racist.
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My staff actually did not find him to be racist.
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Wait, he was talking to an Italian girl next to you, and saying that she shouldn't have
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a black boyfriend, or something along those lines.
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See, I don't really want to go into, like, the race-mixing stuff too much.
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No, but you just said he wasn't being racist, and I watched him be racist on your show.
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Well, I mean, to me, he says the same things that, like...
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Like, there's a lot of people that think like that when...
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But it doesn't make it less racist, just because other people think it.
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It's easier if you date someone in your culture.
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You'd have to watch the full thing, but was, like, being a bit, like, combative to him.
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And in fact, in your apology, you said that he said racist things.
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Um, well, there's a video coming out about all of that, but you'll see.
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Well, the reason I'm asking you is because it's kind of like a big deal that you had this
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Like, I'm just telling you my personal experience with him.
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Um, we filmed hours and hours and hours of footage with him.
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Like, to me, if you watch the full clip, it puts it in a little bit of context.
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And honestly, he did a panel, and he spoke about his opinions on race mixing, and a lot
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But that doesn't change whether it's racist or not, right?
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Do you think it's racist like if I'm Irish and I say I want to date someone that's Irish?
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But if I say to you, you're Irish, therefore you shouldn't date a black man, that is racist.
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Because when he spoke about it on the show, it was more about culture than race.
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To me, that doesn't really work as an argument, Paul.
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If I date a Jamaican woman, Jamaica and Venezuela have a very similar culture.
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We have the same food, the same religion, whatever else.
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So Venezuela's at the top of South America, and Jamaica is all Trinidad, which is literally
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When he was talking, he was talking about how he wanted to date an Italian woman.
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Like, he even said he wouldn't want to date a British girl.
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No, he's allowed to date who he wants, but him telling your Italian friend she shouldn't
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be dating a black man, that's the racist part, don't you think?
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I'd have to remember what he said in the clip, but maybe.
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So that's why I'm asking you, because you do have controversial guests, as we do, and
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there's nothing wrong with talking to people who are controversial.
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But Nick Fuentes is a very different kettle of fish, as we say here, right?
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He was also denying the Holocaust, from what I remember.
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But I just think people are allowed to have their opinions.
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So if he has crazy opinions, let him have his opinions.
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And I think he should be allowed to talk about it on a podcast.
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But isn't it also the duty, Pearl, of the person interviewing them to push back on those opinions
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when they come up, and actually challenge them, and investigate them, and to basically push back on it?
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Yeah, I mean, we could do another show where we push back more.
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I wanted to do, like, one with Dr. Umar, but he didn't want to come.
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Yeah, there are some people who believe that, sure.
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But, you know, when you were talking about the Holocaust with him, he was saying it's like slavery,
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it got embellished, and you were sort of going, hmm, I can see your point.
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And that's what I found a bit confusing, because then, in your apology, you said,
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well, I wasn't really educated on these things.
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But it sounds like you're kind of taking that back now.
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Again, um, there's a statement coming out on everything, so you guys just have to wait for it.
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From our perspective, we're kind of saying to you what we thought you might have said to him,
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which is, if a guest says or does something controversial, you kind of want to ask and find out why they've done that.
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By the way, if this is coming across as confrontational, it's not the intention at all,
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because whenever I see a guest not be challenged enough on someone's show,
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I often think they're, by the grace of God, go I.
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Because we've had people on the show who've said controversial things,
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And I kind of didn't challenge them enough, and I felt bad about it afterwards.
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I don't know if you remember, because you're not a political person, you might not.
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There was a guy called Darren Grimes, who had a guy called Dr. David Starkey on,
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and he said something about how, of course, slavery wasn't genocide,
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otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in the West, right?
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And that got picked up by all the media, and they all had a go at him.
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And I just saw a fairly young, inexperienced interviewer in Darren
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fail to challenge someone who he looked up to and respected on what was just a bad phrasing,
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So I totally understand why you may have missed something
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or not have jumped in on something that you maybe felt that you should have jumped in on.
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But the reason that Francis and I would never have Nick Fuentes on
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is precisely because he says all that shit all the time.
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So if you were to actually challenge him on some of his abhorrent views,
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I mean, we had a whole panel on race mixing.
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Like the political stuff was just cause he was there.
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the reason I brought him on was I saw him on no jumper,
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people look different that have that point of view usually.
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I've heard it, but I've just never heard it like that, I guess.
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So we just brought him on a panel just like about race mixing.
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But we brought him on to talk about race mixing.
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And then we just interviewed him cause he was there.
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But there will be people per who will say, well,
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if you're going to bring that person on and look again,
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misrepresent or do any of those types of things.
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The reason we have this show is so we can talk and have honest
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Cause part of this is for me to clarify my thinking about different
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But part of it is also when you bring someone on,
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because if you're not addressing the fact that he's a Holocaust
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I don't agree that the Holocaust didn't happen.
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I was just listening to him and I think you're allowed to listen
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And I think as women were more agreeable than men.
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So a lot of times you might take it as me agreeing.
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I was talking about how people use atrocities to control
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So I was quoting Thomas Sowell and speaking about his ideas.
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I was talking about how people use an atrocity to control people.
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but you don't think that's what happened with the Holocaust.
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it sounded like it based on what he was saying,
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but do I think that the Holocaust didn't happen?
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what do you think your responsibility is when you bring on controversial guests onto the show?
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You're responsible for all the content that you put out.
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And you now look at that and think you shouldn't have done that.
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I don't regret having someone controversial on.
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I would have maybe had someone on the opposite end of the argument that could push back.
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but how I probably would have did it if I had to do it again,
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let them say what they're going to say and then bring them together.
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those are two people who share the same political,
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but then we did a whole panel with people that disagreed with him.
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we always wrap up the show with the same question we ask all our guests,
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what's the one thing you think we're not talking about that we really should be?
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Do you want to elaborate or happy to leave it there?
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I just think men not getting custody of their kids.
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I think that is an issue that nobody talks about.
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So you can look up just pearly things on YouTube.
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thanks for coming on the show and thank you guys for watching and listening.
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We'll see you very soon with another brilliant interview like this one.
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