TRIGGERnometry - Rupert Lowe：＂Our Leaders Have No Idea What They're Doing＂

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00:01:12.760 So we've got a situation now, I think, where the hard-working core of the countries,

00:01:20.100 which I love and respect, is being let down by this unaccountable pool of Westminster

00:01:27.740 reverse Darwinist sort of creatures who are supposed to be holding the civil service to account.

00:01:34.020 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:42.340 I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:43.640 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:01:44.760 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:01:50.240 We are delighted to say that our guest today is a businessman

00:01:52.900 and a former chairman of Southampton Football Club, Rupert Lowe.

00:01:55.740 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:57.180 Thank you for having me.

00:01:58.060 It's great to have you on.

00:01:59.260 Listen, our UK viewers, I'm sure particularly the football fans among them,

00:02:02.200 will be very familiar with you.

00:02:04.000 But we have a big international audience who may be less familiar.

00:02:07.640 So tell everybody, first of all, who are you?

00:02:10.220 How are you, where you are?

00:02:11.140 And what has brought you to be sitting in this chair talking to us?

00:02:14.000 Well, my name is Rupert Lowe.

00:02:15.680 I was born in Oxford in the Radcliffe Hospital.

00:02:18.860 I'm a provincial lad.

00:02:20.880 I basically was brought up on a farm where my father was a farmer.

00:02:25.240 I'm a passionate farmer.

00:02:26.320 I love farming.

00:02:26.920 It's the one thing I think keeps everybody honest.

00:02:30.280 You can't cheat nature.

00:02:33.620 She keeps us all humble.

00:02:35.700 So then I was educated at the Dragon School, which is a fantastic school.

00:02:40.640 It's less fantastic now.

00:02:42.320 They used to crush my school at rugby every time.

00:02:44.860 Like a lot of these schools, it's become woke.

00:02:48.580 Then I went to Radley College, which is, again, local to Oxford.

00:02:53.940 And then I went to Reading University,

00:02:55.320 after which I went into the city because my father has been married many times

00:03:01.280 and I didn't get on to where we were one of my stepmothers.

00:03:03.500 So I found my way into the city.

00:03:05.520 As I say, I had very little contact to call on.

00:03:09.560 I just went into the city, found my own way,

00:03:12.500 ended up commodity broking, then stock broking.

00:03:15.780 Then I went to Japan to work for Bering Securities.

00:03:18.800 So I was Phillips and Drew, Bering Securities, Morgan Grenfell.

00:03:23.280 And then I left Morgan Grenfell in 96 and took over as chairman of a company

00:03:28.780 which I'd rescued, which I was an investor in, called Secure Retirement.

00:03:33.360 And we did a reverse takeover of Southampton Football Club.

00:03:36.800 I was going to build the stadium, which I did,

00:03:39.140 but I ended up getting involved in the football as well

00:03:41.760 because I'm a reasonably competitive tennis player, hockey player.

00:03:46.080 I carried on playing hockey until I was 56.

00:03:48.800 Played football at the Dragon School,

00:03:50.660 even though most of the football pundits claim I'm a hockey and rugby supporting,

00:03:56.200 or I was a rugby sporting chairman.

00:04:00.260 But during my time with Southampton, I've continued with other businesses.

00:04:04.140 So I've got a wide experience of insurance.

00:04:07.340 I've got businesses in contracting,

00:04:09.680 so data and mechanical and electrical contracting.

00:04:12.820 I've got a business which does air source heat pumps.

00:04:15.840 I basically, I'm an entrepreneur, I like to think.

00:04:20.500 And what I love is I love the British people who are creative, entrepreneurial, hardworking,

00:04:28.240 and left to their own devices, they will deliver a fantastic outcome.

00:04:32.020 So the thing I've become frustrated with is that we've got far too much statism,

00:04:38.200 far too much oppression, far too much regulation, far too much state.

00:04:42.680 So, you know, I'm keen now at the age of 64 to try and use my experience to change that,

00:04:50.080 to get the people of this country to realise how talented they are, gain self-confidence.

00:04:54.840 We're obviously now free of this post-war experiment with a sort of global Europe, 0.90

00:05:01.280 which I thought brought with it a great deal of injustice and unfairness.

00:05:07.160 And I think the people of Europe will suffer long term,

00:05:10.700 and we will benefit from Brexit as a result of being a free sovereign nation.

00:05:14.680 So, pretty much that's me.

00:05:17.760 I still work reasonably hard.

00:05:21.540 I still play a bit.

00:05:23.420 And I still enjoy life, which is the most important thing.

00:05:26.520 That is a very important thing.

00:05:27.720 And one of the things that strikes me about you is you have experience of managing big things.

00:05:32.220 You have experience of working on big projects.

00:05:34.800 And this is something that in the time Francis and I have been doing the show,

00:05:38.220 I've noticed how my thinking has changed and my attitude has changed just running this small business.

00:05:42.860 You know, there's six or seven of us or however many of us there are.

00:05:46.540 And that already changes the mindset.

00:05:49.600 So, and one of the things that strikes me particularly about our politicians

00:05:52.300 is very few of them actually have experience of running big things.

00:05:56.740 I mean, look at the current prime minister.

00:05:58.260 By the time this goes out, he may no longer be prime minister.

00:06:01.000 But let's say he still is.

00:06:02.980 This isn't someone who has experience of running a huge institutional organisation

00:06:06.860 and they're suddenly in a position to run the whole country.

00:06:09.340 What do you make of the way that we are administered and governed in this country?

00:06:12.600 Well, I think, again, people, the worst thing that ever happened was televising parliament.

00:06:18.100 And it's turned some very average people into sort of media, I wouldn't say stars,

00:06:24.240 but they're sort of, they're full of media attention.

00:06:27.400 Every word they say is listened to.

00:06:29.220 And I think the misapprehension of the public is they assume

00:06:31.780 that because they are part of this Westminster elite,

00:06:35.940 that they're able people and that when they're in number 10, they know what they're doing.

00:06:39.180 Well, don't assume they know any more than you do, because they don't.

00:06:44.220 Many of them, as you say, have had no experience of running a company,

00:06:47.520 no experience of navigating the vagaries of public company,

00:06:51.600 you know, limited liability of credit risk,

00:06:55.520 of collecting VAT, national insurance, pensions,

00:06:59.300 gift wrapping it, delivering it to the state.

00:07:01.200 All of the risk that comes with being a director,

00:07:04.880 you know, people assume being a director is all upside.

00:07:08.340 It's actually in modern Britain, there's a hell of a lot of downside to it.

00:07:11.880 So I think people in Westminster become a bubble.

00:07:17.160 The selection processes that were followed by Blair and Cameron

00:07:21.140 have meant that we've got less able people.

00:07:24.440 So the gene pool is weak.

00:07:26.600 It's almost like we've got reverse Darwinism.

00:07:29.760 That would certainly make sense when you look at Boris Johnson.

00:07:33.160 And, you know, you look at the decisions they've been making,

00:07:36.960 which, you know, and sometimes now,

00:07:39.240 in the past one, that it's all seemed to make sense.

00:07:42.380 Now, I sometimes, I don't know about you,

00:07:43.960 but I sort of wake up in the morning and I think,

00:07:46.340 why does nothing make sense anymore?

00:07:48.280 And the answer is because we've got people

00:07:50.580 who don't know what they're doing leading us.

00:07:53.000 So you've got Westminster, that's the gene pool for our leaders,

00:07:57.040 supported by a civil service, which, let's face it,

00:07:59.820 over Brexit was at complete odds with the electorate

00:08:03.760 who voted to leave, and it took to leave Europe,

00:08:07.820 and effectively it took four years

00:08:11.120 before we managed to get ourselves out of Europe,

00:08:13.500 thanks to the Brexit party, Nigel Farage,

00:08:16.380 and people who basically accused the state

00:08:19.540 of not respecting their masters, who are the voters.

00:08:23.180 So I honestly think we've got this disjoint

00:08:26.660 between those people who are leading us

00:08:29.700 and those people who are working very hard in the economy.

00:08:33.440 And for me, this was exemplified on Monday

00:08:36.220 when Lord Agnew of Alton resigned,

00:08:39.660 who's government minister,

00:08:41.480 over the bounce-back loan fraud that's happening.

00:08:44.880 So again, the state has been pursuing,

00:08:48.280 thanks to QE, buying, it's getting hard

00:08:50.560 on its own supply, as I call it, quantitative easing,

00:08:54.080 basically printing money in taxpayers' name

00:08:56.660 and buying their own bonds,

00:08:58.620 and then effectively liquefying the economy

00:09:01.840 by giving this money to people in bounce-back loans,

00:09:06.040 sybils loans, and other centrally planned state support.

00:09:10.260 Can I just interrupt you there, Rupert?

00:09:12.880 Because there's a lot of people,

00:09:15.440 including a lot of economists, who go,

00:09:17.140 what's the problem?

00:09:18.060 We can just print money,

00:09:19.640 and there's going to be no problems whatsoever.

00:09:21.520 Modern monetary theory, Rupert.

00:09:23.360 What's wrong with it?

00:09:24.340 Where does water flow?

00:09:26.520 Downhill.

00:09:27.140 And this is going to flow downhill.

00:09:29.100 We have not yet seen the effects of quantitative easing,

00:09:32.720 and they are coming, and they will come,

00:09:35.720 and everybody will regret the fact that we've done it.

00:09:39.020 If you look at...

00:09:40.400 So just finishing off on that,

00:09:42.080 you saw Theodore Agnew resigned,

00:09:45.240 and he resigned for a very good reason.

00:09:46.580 He's a very honest, straight guy.

00:09:48.340 And what you saw is you've got this...

00:09:50.120 I have this image of these bounce-back loans,

00:09:53.400 which were given...

00:09:54.280 No checks were made, or not enough checks.

00:09:56.740 You know, they don't really understand.

00:09:58.180 A lot of these people are dishing these out,

00:09:59.900 the concept of limited liability companies,

00:10:02.040 that, you know, if you trade with a company

00:10:05.340 that's insolvent, you can lose everything.

00:10:07.080 Well, if you give money to companies that are insolvent,

00:10:10.160 or haven't been trading, or people who aren't honest,

00:10:12.920 you won't get it back.

00:10:14.340 And under the limited liability situation,

00:10:16.860 they just walk away, and you end up with a debt,

00:10:19.380 which is, again, a taxpayer debt.

00:10:21.480 Meanwhile, on the other side of that,

00:10:22.860 you've got all these hard-working people,

00:10:24.700 you know, my old constituents in the West Midlands,

00:10:27.520 people up north,

00:10:28.560 all the people who run businesses still

00:10:31.320 collect the taxes, pay the taxes.

00:10:34.140 They have HMRC on their back all the time,

00:10:36.300 chasing them to pay every little penny,

00:10:38.100 using often technicalities to collect this money off them,

00:10:41.860 which takes possible investment from them,

00:10:44.600 which could be directed into better use.

00:10:48.120 And meanwhile, they're handing this money out to fraudsters,

00:10:51.520 and there's no accountability.

00:10:52.520 I think they've already written off about $4.5 billion.

00:10:55.460 I think the total bounce-back loans are more like $45 billion.

00:10:59.060 And goodness knows how much they're going to write off in the end.

00:11:02.020 That's before we get to the Sybil's loans,

00:11:03.640 which are slightly more secure,

00:11:05.200 because you've actually got the banks responsible

00:11:07.060 for 20% of those.

00:11:08.820 So I think we've got a situation where anything,

00:11:13.840 and you've only got to look at, you know,

00:11:15.760 the Soviet Russia, you know,

00:11:17.240 you get state central planning.

00:11:19.100 It never works.

00:11:20.300 You need the entrepreneur.

00:11:22.040 You need people to be making decisions that make sense.

00:11:25.740 You need it to be bottom-up, not top-down.

00:11:28.020 You actually need long-term investment

00:11:30.500 rather than just short-term sort of money printing

00:11:34.060 to cover up cracks.

00:11:36.080 And I think everybody, the extraordinary thing is

00:11:38.600 I don't think a lot of people fully understand it,

00:11:40.840 so they're just so busy with their own lives.

00:11:43.400 But actually, quantitative easing is,

00:11:46.720 if you or I did it, we'd be in prison.

00:11:48.780 But it's being done in our name

00:11:50.440 by an unaccountable Bank of England,

00:11:53.400 an Andrew Bailey,

00:11:54.120 who presided over, let's face it,

00:11:56.480 when he was at the FCA,

00:11:57.760 some pretty big disasters like LCF,

00:12:00.820 and another bureaucrat

00:12:03.440 who's definitely been overpromoted,

00:12:05.740 Andrew Bailey.

00:12:07.160 So we've got a situation now, I think,

00:12:09.740 where the hard-working core of the countries,

00:12:13.280 which I love and respect,

00:12:15.160 is being let down by this unaccountable pool

00:12:18.880 of Westminster reverse-Darwinist sort of creatures

00:12:24.080 who are supposed to be holding the civil service to account.

00:12:27.500 And that, to me, is the most extraordinary.

00:12:29.900 It's extraordinary that people aren't more angry about it.

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00:13:02.400 Do you think part of the problem, Rupert, is,

00:13:06.120 and we touched on it,

00:13:07.340 which is they've never run anything,

00:13:08.960 these politicians,

00:13:10.180 but most of them,

00:13:11.900 they don't even have experience of ordinary life.

00:13:15.720 What they do is they go to schools,

00:13:18.120 then they go to university,

00:13:20.000 normally Oxford and Cambridge,

00:13:21.220 where they do PPE,

00:13:22.500 then they do some type of master's,

00:13:24.320 then they go in to become a political researcher.

00:13:27.840 You've never experienced the real world.

00:13:29.740 You don't know how the real world works.

00:13:31.340 And if that being the case,

00:13:32.620 how are you then going to go into a position of power

00:13:34.940 where you're running the real world?

00:13:36.060 Well, absolutely, you can't.

00:13:37.520 So the whole political structure is based on,

00:13:40.340 if you like, snakes and ladders

00:13:41.580 in a little sort of false world

00:13:43.600 where, as you say,

00:13:44.680 you clamber up the Tory party

00:13:47.780 or the Labour ladder.

00:13:49.500 You hope you don't upset anybody.

00:13:51.460 So very often,

00:13:52.380 the people who thrive

00:13:54.100 are people who learn not to tell the truth.

00:13:56.260 So you end up, actually, as I say,

00:13:59.240 with this reverse Darwinist situation.

00:14:01.980 And most of them,

00:14:03.060 I honestly don't think they,

00:14:04.820 a bit like Boris,

00:14:05.400 I don't think they're that bothered about long-term.

00:14:08.580 Because as far as they're concerned,

00:14:09.940 life is a game.

00:14:11.380 And it's not a game for a lot of people.

00:14:13.440 You know, a lot of people, long-term,

00:14:15.800 if you look at Britain,

00:14:17.380 what do we owe our success to?

00:14:20.480 I'll tell you what I think.

00:14:21.460 I mean, I think we owe it to the Victorians

00:14:23.600 who were hardworking.

00:14:26.360 If they said they were going to do something,

00:14:28.040 they did it.

00:14:28.740 They actually delivered an economy

00:14:30.880 that probably,

00:14:32.460 for a population that we had then,

00:14:34.440 whatever it was, 50, 60 million,

00:14:36.280 was probably, arguably,

00:14:37.640 the most successful economy there's ever been.

00:14:39.920 And off the back of that,

00:14:41.320 we were able to do quite a lot of things

00:14:43.380 with friendly societies,

00:14:44.780 with, you know,

00:14:45.440 ultimately, that's the genesis of the NHS, I think.

00:14:48.940 You know, the fact we had all this wealth.

00:14:50.500 But if we don't invest long-term

00:14:53.380 and create proper businesses

00:14:54.720 and actually proper structures that make sense,

00:14:58.260 you know, printing money,

00:15:00.480 in the end,

00:15:01.440 will just be overrun by the Asian workhouses, 1.00

00:15:05.900 which basically become far more productive than us.

00:15:09.320 And it'll happen a bit like the world

00:15:11.700 doing a 360-degree flip.

00:15:13.460 So everybody here is very complacent, I think,

00:15:16.800 because suddenly we could see this whole thing change.

00:15:20.500 And instead of accepting our currencies,

00:15:22.480 these people are going to say,

00:15:23.240 well, hang on,

00:15:24.160 these guys are just printing it.

00:15:25.340 They've got nothing behind it.

00:15:27.880 And, you know,

00:15:28.720 the war was a big issue.

00:15:30.180 We won the war.

00:15:31.000 We basically won the peace.

00:15:32.900 But sooner or later,

00:15:34.640 this lack of long-term planning

00:15:38.320 and lack of leadership by a proper elite

00:15:42.220 is going to effectively affect everybody's lives.

00:15:46.180 And it's time people started talking about it,

00:15:48.120 I think.

00:15:48.680 Well, one of the things that I think

00:15:50.380 when you talk about quantitative easing

00:15:52.280 that I've been saying for quite some time,

00:15:54.600 and I think it was compounded, obviously,

00:15:56.660 by the reaction to COVID

00:15:58.160 and the amount of money that was spent

00:15:59.960 on dealing with that

00:16:01.140 or the perceived threat

00:16:02.580 or whatever you want to describe it,

00:16:04.620 is inflation.

00:16:05.860 And, you know,

00:16:06.740 we've had people on the show endlessly

00:16:08.300 to say it's coming,

00:16:09.540 it's coming,

00:16:10.480 and now suddenly everyone's like,

00:16:12.000 oh, there's inflation coming.

00:16:13.360 And we're like, yeah, we told you.

00:16:14.680 We told you.

00:16:15.500 I think it's here, Constantine.

00:16:16.560 That's what I'm saying.

00:16:17.480 It's here.

00:16:17.780 In the contracting businesses,

00:16:19.000 copper's gone up massively over the last,

00:16:21.320 I mean, not 7%.

00:16:22.160 You're talking 50%, 60%, 70%.

00:16:24.520 You know, steel, conduit's gone up the same.

00:16:28.160 You've got, you know,

00:16:29.260 labour hasn't gone up yet.

00:16:30.780 But if heating costs keep going up,

00:16:33.160 people are going to start demanding more money

00:16:35.060 for their wages correctly.

00:16:36.660 And then you start to get strikes

00:16:38.580 and you start to get all the malaise

00:16:40.300 that we got in the 70s.

00:16:41.460 It's all happening.

00:16:42.680 What were we told?

00:16:44.080 We were told it's transitory.

00:16:46.060 This is not transitory.

00:16:47.600 This is now embedded in the economy.

00:16:49.940 And it's partly to do with the fact

00:16:51.440 that we aren't productive as we used to be.

00:16:54.260 And you can't just create money out of nothing

00:16:57.440 and expect it to hold value.

00:16:59.520 It's not linked to anything.

00:17:00.820 There's no gold standard.

00:17:01.880 There's no convertibility to anything.

00:17:04.380 It's all on trust.

00:17:06.340 And I've always been brought up to believe

00:17:08.820 that credit is suspicion asleep.

00:17:11.520 And that's ultimately what, you know,

00:17:13.920 as soon as our trading partners become suspicious of us,

00:17:17.460 the game's over.

00:17:18.720 Rupert, don't you think it's quite weird?

00:17:20.360 Because if we were having this conversation,

00:17:22.920 and let's say Jeremy Corbyn won the 2019 general election,

00:17:27.600 it would make sense.

00:17:29.020 We're having this conversation under a conservative party.

00:17:33.580 Doesn't that strike you as weird?

00:17:35.340 It is bizarre.

00:17:36.680 And I think, you know, Boris Johnson's instincts

00:17:39.060 are actually, on the whole, libertarian.

00:17:42.800 I think he respects the individual.

00:17:45.480 But it seems that he wants to build the state up.

00:17:49.060 And I think he was even heard to say that

00:17:51.400 if the private sector sheds labour,

00:17:54.080 don't worry, the state will employ it.

00:17:56.020 Which sort of, to me, was shocking.

00:17:58.700 Because the last thing we want,

00:18:00.660 we've already got far too much of a state.

00:18:03.140 We've got far too much ineffective,

00:18:05.640 you know, government departments in,

00:18:08.800 whether it's HGV licences,

00:18:10.740 whether it's the passport office,

00:18:12.260 whether it's planning,

00:18:13.740 you know, and I come across all this stuff.

00:18:15.360 You know, you can't get any answers out of the planners.

00:18:17.820 You can't get your passport.

00:18:19.480 You can't get an HGV licence.

00:18:21.360 You can't get a shotgun licence renewed.

00:18:23.760 You know, the whole,

00:18:24.820 if you're going to force regulation on people,

00:18:27.400 you've got to deliver an efficient service.

00:18:29.640 Otherwise, get rid of the state,

00:18:31.720 get it out of people's lives

00:18:32.760 and let people interface freely

00:18:34.460 and make their own call.

00:18:36.280 And that's a bit,

00:18:37.060 I feel a bit like that with regard to COVID.

00:18:39.140 I mean, I think, you know,

00:18:42.060 I'm not a non-vaxxer or an anti-vaxxer,

00:18:44.320 but I am a believer in personal choice.

00:18:46.940 I think to have the state telling you

00:18:48.320 you've got to have an injection

00:18:49.900 is against every sort of libertarian code

00:18:53.920 that you could have.

00:18:54.780 That does make you an anti-vaxxer.

00:18:56.640 I know, I know,

00:18:59.080 but I have no problem with people opting to have the vaxx

00:19:01.980 if that's what they want.

00:19:03.680 Of course, of course.

00:19:04.620 And by the way,

00:19:05.280 I always joke about it being,

00:19:07.760 on the whole,

00:19:08.360 not vaccination,

00:19:09.480 it's gene therapy

00:19:10.080 because Moderna and Pfizer are gene therapy,

00:19:12.600 whereas actually AstraZeneca

00:19:14.920 is the only true vaccine.

00:19:16.540 So again, it's very experimental,

00:19:18.660 but it's up to people.

00:19:19.680 If people want it,

00:19:21.240 that's up to them.

00:19:22.180 If people don't want it,

00:19:23.060 it should equally be up to them.

00:19:24.000 But what I think is terrible is divisiveness

00:19:25.860 within our society as a result of that.

00:19:29.080 And the historical parallels to that

00:19:32.540 are pretty frightening.

00:19:33.880 And I think it shouldn't be happening here.

00:19:35.860 But on Boris,

00:19:37.540 is he capable of really having any long-term view

00:19:44.240 or any principled view?

00:19:46.080 Probably not.

00:19:47.280 Quite.

00:19:47.860 Well, this is one of the things

00:19:48.880 I think you keep referring to,

00:19:50.260 which is long-term versus short-term.

00:19:52.020 And I think, I mean,

00:19:54.080 I think democracy is great,

00:19:55.880 but I think it's inevitable

00:19:57.060 that one of the flaws of democracy

00:19:58.580 is that force is very short-term thinking

00:20:00.340 because the people who are in charge

00:20:02.080 are thinking on a 24-hour planning horizon.

00:20:05.220 They're not thinking ahead.

00:20:06.440 So with all that doom and gloom

00:20:08.300 out of the way, Rupert,

00:20:09.980 what do we do about this?

00:20:11.980 What would you do about this?

00:20:13.620 Well, one's got to hope

00:20:14.840 that the people of Britain,

00:20:16.440 and I think relative to the rest of Europe,

00:20:18.200 we are in a good position now

00:20:19.660 because we actually are a...

00:20:20.720 It's not saying much, is it?

00:20:22.020 No.

00:20:22.600 No, but relative to the rest of Europe,

00:20:24.440 we are now a free sovereign nation

00:20:27.060 and we are capable of determining our own future.

00:20:30.160 So we have actually now got the power

00:20:31.780 back in our own hands.

00:20:33.440 So I, even if the civil service

00:20:36.000 is reluctant to accept the will

00:20:38.080 of the British people,

00:20:39.020 so having been given a vote,

00:20:40.280 they voted to leave,

00:20:41.080 then I think we are now

00:20:45.240 going to see the country

00:20:46.940 relative to Europe prosper.

00:20:49.000 And if the right leadership's in place

00:20:50.800 and the right long-term planning,

00:20:52.280 we still have the opportunity

00:20:53.900 to do what I think we should be doing.

00:20:55.820 And I think there's a lot

00:20:56.560 to be optimistic about,

00:20:58.460 but that involves doing

00:20:59.660 radical conservative things,

00:21:01.340 which is what a conservative government

00:21:03.420 should be doing.

00:21:04.000 Like what, Rupert?

00:21:04.740 Not the Corbyn conservative government

00:21:07.460 that we've got.

00:21:08.020 Well, we should be cutting regulation.

00:21:09.780 We should be encouraging entrepreneurs.

00:21:12.640 We should be-

00:21:13.280 How? How do you encourage entrepreneurs?

00:21:14.420 Well, you cut,

00:21:14.880 you give people tax breaks for investment.

00:21:18.040 You give people, you cut taxes.

00:21:20.300 You allow people to keep

00:21:22.100 the product of their gains.

00:21:24.380 You allow people to make investment

00:21:26.140 against, you know-

00:21:27.940 How are we going to pay for all this

00:21:29.380 social care and the NHS

00:21:31.320 and all of that while we're cutting taxes?

00:21:33.140 But the interesting parallel with that,

00:21:33.720 because that takes care of itself.

00:21:36.740 If you have a vibrant economy

00:21:39.020 where everybody's making money,

00:21:40.280 they're all paying tax.

00:21:41.880 And, you know, we know tax.

00:21:44.440 If the more you put tax up,

00:21:45.520 the less tax you collect.

00:21:46.900 So why do we keep putting tax up then?

00:21:48.640 Because that's the only way

00:21:50.440 they can even hope to balance the books

00:21:52.280 if you haven't got long-term investment.

00:21:54.580 You have to keep doing that.

00:21:55.760 That's actually the only thing

00:21:56.700 that's kept us going to QE.

00:21:58.800 And I keep coming back to QE.

00:21:59.960 Without QE,

00:22:01.400 reality would have been blowing

00:22:04.180 through the corridors of power.

00:22:05.480 But it doesn't happen

00:22:07.260 because they don't let it happen.

00:22:08.900 So the answer to your question,

00:22:10.600 cut regulation,

00:22:12.260 release the individual,

00:22:14.500 basically become

00:22:15.740 an offshore trading country,

00:22:18.720 which we used to be,

00:22:19.860 offshore Europe.

00:22:20.620 We were always the balance of power

00:22:21.820 in Europe against

00:22:22.700 either, you know,

00:22:23.940 Germany or France

00:22:24.740 who always had these

00:22:25.540 continental conquests.

00:22:27.220 We've never wanted to conquer people.

00:22:28.520 We want to trade with them.

00:22:30.080 So what we should do

00:22:30.680 is do what we're best at,

00:22:31.640 trade.

00:22:32.580 And we should be having,

00:22:33.820 if you had a government

00:22:35.560 and its apparatus

00:22:36.940 that believed in that,

00:22:38.080 you actually could structure it

00:22:39.440 so that you release

00:22:40.440 the innate ability

00:22:41.220 of the British people.

00:22:42.320 But we're not going to do that

00:22:43.760 by increasing national insurance

00:22:45.740 and pumping it into the NHS

00:22:48.440 with no reform to the NHS,

00:22:50.780 which, like it,

00:22:52.560 and again,

00:22:53.040 it's a wonderful thing

00:22:54.420 for a lot of people,

00:22:55.100 but it's got to be efficient.

00:22:56.620 It's got to be reformed.

00:22:57.600 It's an inefficient organ.

00:23:00.000 But no politician

00:23:01.300 is ever going to touch

00:23:02.420 the NHS at the moment.

00:23:04.200 It's become, you know,

00:23:05.840 half a cut above itself

00:23:07.020 and somebody's got to

00:23:08.300 take it under control

00:23:10.820 and sort it out.

00:23:11.960 Or it's going to bleed us all dry. 0.95

00:23:13.760 It's going to kill off

00:23:15.920 this entrepreneurial spirit

00:23:17.920 that we should be able to release,

00:23:19.140 which would then allow us

00:23:20.760 to fund the NHS

00:23:23.080 and other good causes

00:23:24.900 for the majority

00:23:25.860 of the people in the country.

00:23:27.220 But, Rupert,

00:23:29.180 isn't the problem

00:23:30.000 that we have

00:23:31.060 a whole generation

00:23:32.440 of politicians

00:23:33.240 who don't want to make

00:23:35.500 difficult decisions?

00:23:37.220 They don't want to be seen

00:23:38.260 as unpopular.

00:23:39.240 Now, let's look at Thatcher. 1.00

00:23:40.860 You may like her.

00:23:41.880 You may dislike her.

00:23:42.860 You may not like her vision

00:23:44.060 for the country.

00:23:45.240 Number one,

00:23:45.640 she had a vision,

00:23:46.280 unlike this lot.

00:23:47.420 And number two,

00:23:48.580 she was very, very willing

00:23:50.000 to make herself

00:23:50.880 absolutely despised

00:23:53.540 by a certain section

00:23:54.480 of society.

00:23:55.160 I don't think

00:23:56.380 any of this lot

00:23:57.120 would want that.

00:23:58.500 And also, likewise,

00:23:59.760 just for balance,

00:24:00.400 I think I disagree with him

00:24:01.860 on a lot of things,

00:24:02.640 but Tony Blair,

00:24:03.480 the same.

00:24:03.960 Now, there's a lot

00:24:04.720 to criticise,

00:24:05.440 but he was willing

00:24:05.940 to make difficult decisions

00:24:07.000 at certain points.

00:24:07.500 Well, if we talk about Thatcher,

00:24:08.980 first,

00:24:09.540 you've raised Thatcher.

00:24:10.400 I was an admirer of Thatcher.

00:24:12.280 She's, you know,

00:24:12.900 her upbringing...

00:24:13.980 I guessed that, Rupert.

00:24:14.740 That wasn't a surprise,

00:24:16.280 was it?

00:24:17.220 Not for any other reason

00:24:18.880 than I think she...

00:24:20.180 If you look at Britain,

00:24:21.400 and I'm probably older

00:24:22.200 than you guys,

00:24:22.720 so you probably weren't around.

00:24:24.420 I can remember the 70s

00:24:25.640 where petrol was going up

00:24:27.260 every day,

00:24:27.780 inflation was flying,

00:24:29.080 you know,

00:24:29.240 there was no investment.

00:24:30.340 We had, you know,

00:24:31.800 Callaghan in office

00:24:32.720 having sandwiches

00:24:33.560 with the trade unions

00:24:34.460 who were running the country.

00:24:35.820 The whole thing was...

00:24:36.880 We were a laughing stock.

00:24:38.860 So Thatcher took control of it. 1.00

00:24:41.020 And you should read a book

00:24:41.940 if you haven't read it

00:24:42.540 called Here Today, Gone Tomorrow

00:24:43.700 by John Knott.

00:24:45.140 And she would have definitely

00:24:46.360 lost the election

00:24:47.800 because she tried to

00:24:49.600 make sense of everything.

00:24:51.200 And I think, you know,

00:24:52.060 this short-term view

00:24:53.980 that prevails,

00:24:54.780 and you're quite right,

00:24:55.440 it does prevail,

00:24:56.420 she would have had 1.00

00:24:56.980 her head cut off 0.99

00:24:57.720 if it hadn't been

00:24:58.300 for the Falklands War.

00:24:59.620 And so the Falklands

00:25:00.560 were invaded.

00:25:01.700 She went in again,

00:25:04.040 took a dangerous decision,

00:25:05.320 won the war,

00:25:06.000 and as a result of that,

00:25:06.680 she was untouchable after that.

00:25:08.040 That gave her the length of time 0.94

00:25:09.760 to be able to make change.

00:25:11.520 And I think you've got to give

00:25:12.480 other people around her credit.

00:25:14.400 You know, Lawson,

00:25:15.260 you've got to give,

00:25:15.960 you know, other people

00:25:16.740 who actually,

00:25:18.220 if you like,

00:25:19.060 empowered Britain.

00:25:20.700 And, you know,

00:25:20.960 I remember going to Singapore

00:25:22.200 to meet the government

00:25:23.820 of Singapore Investment Corporation,

00:25:25.740 just as all this was happening.

00:25:26.860 And they said,

00:25:27.440 this is the first time

00:25:28.360 in 50 years

00:25:29.740 that we've seen

00:25:30.500 light at the end

00:25:31.540 of the tunnel in Britain.

00:25:33.000 We're investing in Britain

00:25:34.260 because we can see

00:25:35.140 it's a vibrant place

00:25:36.920 where opportunities

00:25:38.640 abounds and people

00:25:40.180 are going to do well.

00:25:41.460 So we've now,

00:25:43.020 if you like,

00:25:43.400 almost gone full circle.

00:25:44.760 And isn't it depressing

00:25:45.840 that we've now got

00:25:46.520 a Conservative government

00:25:47.440 that's running the country

00:25:48.980 like Corbyn would have done?

00:25:50.360 Which, look,

00:25:51.600 I agree with you

00:25:52.440 because I look at this government,

00:25:55.020 I don't know

00:25:55.440 what they are anymore.

00:25:56.540 I look at the Labour Party,

00:25:57.840 I don't know

00:25:58.200 what they are anymore.

00:25:59.200 They're the only two

00:25:59.960 realistic options.

00:26:01.380 Doesn't that mean

00:26:01.820 we're in a political crisis?

00:26:03.620 How do we get out of this?

00:26:04.700 We've got a political crisis.

00:26:05.700 We've got Richard Tice in reform.

00:26:08.900 Well, don't forget the plug-in.

00:26:10.480 So there, there.

00:26:11.280 He's blocked us on Twitter

00:26:12.380 for no reason whatsoever.

00:26:13.720 So you're not,

00:26:14.180 you're banned

00:26:14.980 from discussing Richard Tice.

00:26:16.660 I have no idea.

00:26:17.380 I'm just joking.

00:26:18.120 Has he?

00:26:18.380 He has blocked us on Twitter.

00:26:19.660 I have no idea why.

00:26:20.380 That's not very clever.

00:26:20.780 Yeah, it's not wise, is it?

00:26:22.340 Fellow libertarians

00:26:23.300 like you guys,

00:26:24.440 he should be helping.

00:26:26.120 I agree with you.

00:26:27.200 But look,

00:26:27.720 it's an interesting thing.

00:26:29.080 You know,

00:26:29.560 we don't meet many people

00:26:30.880 with your sort of attitude

00:26:32.120 in this country.

00:26:32.980 And as an outsider,

00:26:33.880 I've always wondered about this

00:26:35.060 because as you say,

00:26:36.280 during the Victorian era,

00:26:37.360 this was the engine

00:26:38.520 of, of, you know,

00:26:40.460 of innovation

00:26:41.060 and drive

00:26:41.860 and creativity

00:26:42.480 in that way.

00:26:43.500 But what,

00:26:45.800 the values you're talking about,

00:26:47.480 I associate much more

00:26:48.740 with America.

00:26:49.620 In this country,

00:26:50.740 in my experience,

00:26:51.840 most people

00:26:52.520 aren't driven

00:26:54.000 to achieve,

00:26:55.060 aren't driven

00:26:55.860 to create.

00:26:56.520 And I hope I'm not slandering

00:26:57.720 the British public

00:26:58.480 because of course

00:26:59.200 people like that exist too.

00:27:00.840 But why,

00:27:02.000 why have we not got

00:27:03.880 quite as much

00:27:04.720 of that sort of thing

00:27:05.700 that you're talking about,

00:27:06.560 which is starting businesses,

00:27:08.180 creating things,

00:27:09.100 building things?

00:27:09.280 I don't know,

00:27:09.780 but I do think

00:27:10.700 there's a lot more

00:27:11.720 underlying wealth.

00:27:13.580 I think the English

00:27:14.600 aren't like them

00:27:15.260 or British aren't like

00:27:16.080 the Americans.

00:27:17.220 Wealth,

00:27:17.740 you know,

00:27:17.940 to show wealth

00:27:18.780 is a thoroughly bad thing

00:27:20.540 and everybody's been brought up

00:27:21.420 to think that.

00:27:22.020 But there's a lot more wealth

00:27:23.820 and historical wealth

00:27:25.340 as well

00:27:25.680 still residing here.

00:27:28.480 And,

00:27:29.100 you know,

00:27:29.260 I think America,

00:27:30.160 a lot of the wokery

00:27:31.260 and the sort of,

00:27:34.400 I think,

00:27:35.580 terrible things

00:27:36.620 we do import

00:27:37.460 from America,

00:27:38.340 you know,

00:27:38.540 a lot of political correctness

00:27:39.700 and all the other stuff.

00:27:41.160 I mean,

00:27:41.320 when are people

00:27:41.820 going to get back

00:27:42.520 to interfacing

00:27:43.220 with each other

00:27:43.920 and respecting each other

00:27:45.340 and debating things

00:27:46.500 even if it's difficult

00:27:47.280 to debate them?

00:27:48.620 As we,

00:27:49.220 you know,

00:27:49.460 as I think we said earlier,

00:27:50.800 the old Labour attitude,

00:27:52.980 the Wedgie Ben,

00:27:54.240 the Peter Shaw,

00:27:55.520 all these people,

00:27:56.400 they were true,

00:27:58.920 if you like,

00:27:59.760 British patriots.

00:28:01.300 They had a different view

00:28:02.540 but I respected,

00:28:03.980 I love listening

00:28:04.660 to the Wedgie Ben tapes.

00:28:05.860 It's absolutely fantastic listening.

00:28:07.560 For those people

00:28:08.020 who haven't listened to him,

00:28:09.200 it's great.

00:28:10.440 You know,

00:28:10.660 he was an honest guy.

00:28:12.900 Okay,

00:28:13.240 he came from a rich family

00:28:14.140 but he had a socialist view,

00:28:16.260 that's fine.

00:28:17.420 Why can't we all debate

00:28:18.560 these things

00:28:19.240 and have a difference

00:28:20.400 of opinion

00:28:20.920 and then we get

00:28:21.600 at the truth?

00:28:23.000 But that's not

00:28:24.380 the way people

00:28:25.040 operate today.

00:28:25.880 It seems that

00:28:26.640 nobody's prepared

00:28:27.500 to listen to a point of view

00:28:28.660 that they don't like.

00:28:30.240 Again,

00:28:30.740 I think partly

00:28:31.420 that comes back

00:28:32.200 to another of my favourite beefs

00:28:33.700 which is the BBC.

00:28:35.500 I can't wait

00:28:36.400 to see the back of the BBC.

00:28:37.440 I think the BBC 0.93

00:28:37.960 is a cancer

00:28:39.660 at the heart of Britain.

00:28:41.720 Well done

00:28:42.320 for putting that mildly.

00:28:44.240 It's a centrally planned

00:28:46.660 sort of self-important organisation

00:28:50.000 which doesn't represent

00:28:52.720 the views of certainly

00:28:54.160 mild constituency

00:28:55.140 in the West Midlands,

00:28:56.320 most of Yorkshire

00:28:57.220 and a lot of other parts

00:28:58.740 of the country

00:29:00.180 and it certainly

00:29:00.800 didn't reflect that

00:29:02.180 over Brexit.

00:29:03.240 It was completely partisan

00:29:04.820 which,

00:29:05.800 as you know,

00:29:06.280 Reith,

00:29:07.160 his original founding doctrine

00:29:09.300 was it should be

00:29:10.160 completely impartial

00:29:11.500 and it should inform,

00:29:12.500 entertain and educate.

00:29:14.280 Does it inform?

00:29:15.180 No.

00:29:15.580 Does it educate?

00:29:16.500 No.

00:29:16.660 Does it entertain?

00:29:17.360 Very definitely not.

00:29:18.300 So it doesn't do

00:29:19.360 any of those things now

00:29:20.440 and if it's such

00:29:21.100 a national treasure

00:29:22.080 it should be defunded

00:29:23.880 and it should then

00:29:24.580 stand on its own

00:29:25.360 two feet like everybody else

00:29:26.500 and then

00:29:27.320 if they want to

00:29:29.340 spout their woke views

00:29:31.020 on life

00:29:31.620 and they want to distort

00:29:32.940 the way in which

00:29:34.180 everybody lives their lives

00:29:35.160 if people don't want

00:29:36.720 to listen to it

00:29:37.120 they can turn it off

00:29:37.860 but why should we all

00:29:39.680 have to pay

00:29:40.280 £157.50

00:29:42.020 or £159.00

00:29:42.900 whatever it is 0.59

00:29:43.680 to fund this monster

00:29:46.600 which gives everybody

00:29:47.940 the wrong impression

00:29:48.660 so in answer to your question

00:29:50.240 cut free of the BBC

00:29:51.940 cut free of a lot of this

00:29:54.120 sort of dogma

00:29:56.400 that gets pushed down

00:29:57.580 people's throats every day

00:29:58.680 I actually think

00:30:00.040 you've got an innately

00:30:01.200 productive people here

00:30:03.000 who could actually

00:30:05.060 make a major contribution

00:30:06.500 not only to the success

00:30:08.620 and wealth of this country

00:30:09.800 but also it could help Europe

00:30:11.140 and the rest of the world.

00:30:12.140 look at what we invent

00:30:14.680 most of the good things

00:30:16.920 that have been invented

00:30:18.080 in the world

00:30:18.600 come from the UK

00:30:20.220 so does Marmite

00:30:22.080 so it's a bit of a bad

00:30:23.340 I love Marmite

00:30:23.700 yeah I love Marmite

00:30:24.840 yeah you're both wrong

00:30:26.120 Rupert

00:30:28.600 the one

00:30:29.120 the one aspect

00:30:30.460 of the BBC

00:30:31.560 that I will push back on

00:30:33.020 is this

00:30:33.420 I worry about the

00:30:34.680 polarisation of society

00:30:35.940 I look at American media

00:30:37.900 you've got MSNBC

00:30:38.940 on one hand

00:30:39.720 Fox News on the other

00:30:41.180 never the twain shall meet

00:30:42.740 there's people who go on MSNBC

00:30:44.400 they have a conversation

00:30:45.460 with themselves

00:30:46.100 same with Fox News

00:30:47.600 do you not think

00:30:48.800 that the BBC

00:30:49.460 has this power

00:30:50.620 to be this unifying force

00:30:52.360 in the centre

00:30:53.440 where we can get people on

00:30:54.700 from libertarian rights

00:30:56.420 you know

00:30:57.100 the woke left

00:30:58.700 and try and bring together

00:31:00.000 so we can have a discussion

00:31:01.380 not just those people

00:31:02.580 people in the centre

00:31:03.280 and everybody

00:31:03.760 I don't think you can

00:31:05.040 I don't think you can rely

00:31:06.820 on a

00:31:07.680 sort of broadcaster

00:31:09.780 who has lost its way

00:31:11.260 because it isn't impartial

00:31:12.600 I think everybody

00:31:13.060 would accept that

00:31:14.080 so if it's deficient

00:31:16.300 and the head of the beast

00:31:17.460 is wrong

00:31:18.020 as they always say

00:31:18.660 fish rots from the head

00:31:19.600 if it's wrong up there

00:31:21.960 it's never going to be

00:31:23.240 this unifying

00:31:24.040 agent

00:31:25.900 which again

00:31:27.200 is desirable

00:31:27.920 if you could achieve it

00:31:28.780 and I think

00:31:29.300 when the BBC

00:31:30.920 was founded

00:31:31.800 I think it was

00:31:32.980 genuinely

00:31:33.860 a principled organisation

00:31:36.120 which did try

00:31:37.080 to achieve that

00:31:37.860 I think it's become

00:31:39.280 it's lost its way

00:31:40.340 and

00:31:41.060 is the right way

00:31:42.800 to achieve

00:31:43.460 what you

00:31:43.820 what you were hoping

00:31:44.640 to achieve

00:31:45.220 to have a

00:31:45.940 a licence fee

00:31:47.160 which everybody

00:31:47.780 has to pay

00:31:48.440 regardless of whether

00:31:49.380 they want to or not

00:31:50.300 and most of the young people

00:31:51.240 if you talk to

00:31:51.880 do a survey

00:31:53.180 of young people

00:31:53.780 my children

00:31:54.360 I've got four children

00:31:55.320 under 30 years old

00:31:56.680 none of them

00:31:58.280 watch the BBC

00:31:59.460 they all object

00:32:00.240 to the TV licence

00:32:01.460 why should they

00:32:02.020 have to pay it

00:32:02.480 they don't use it

00:32:03.060 to get their news

00:32:03.700 I mean the only

00:32:04.820 justification possibly

00:32:05.860 for the BBC

00:32:06.380 would be a completely

00:32:07.400 impartial news service

00:32:08.580 which gave the

00:32:09.920 the British people

00:32:11.220 a news

00:32:12.920 which is completely

00:32:13.960 unaffected

00:32:16.260 or un

00:32:16.740 if you like

00:32:17.640 unbiased

00:32:18.820 unbiased

00:32:19.580 completely unbiased

00:32:20.680 and it hasn't had

00:32:21.640 any PR spin

00:32:22.640 or any

00:32:23.120 you know

00:32:23.860 anybody sort of

00:32:24.820 spinning it

00:32:25.960 so it's just

00:32:26.720 pure news

00:32:27.360 so they can make

00:32:27.960 their minds up

00:32:28.500 about life

00:32:29.460 but

00:32:30.480 I don't see

00:32:32.600 there's a justification

00:32:33.360 for the BBC

00:32:33.700 I actually think

00:32:34.340 they create

00:32:34.900 more division now

00:32:35.780 I think

00:32:36.120 their main role

00:32:37.580 in life

00:32:38.100 is to

00:32:38.780 create division

00:32:40.480 between

00:32:40.900 the rich

00:32:41.900 and the poor

00:32:42.360 you know

00:32:43.620 and as Lincoln

00:32:44.580 said

00:32:44.920 you don't make

00:32:45.720 the poor

00:32:46.020 richer

00:32:46.220 by making

00:32:46.640 the rich

00:32:46.920 poorer

00:32:47.200 so what

00:32:48.100 we've got

00:32:48.480 to do

00:32:48.720 is try

00:32:49.060 and make

00:32:49.460 the poor

00:32:50.320 richer

00:32:50.700 by

00:32:51.140 playing a part

00:32:52.580 in a vibrant

00:32:53.380 society

00:32:53.980 that believes

00:32:54.520 in itself

00:32:55.040 and bringing

00:32:56.960 them up

00:32:57.280 that way

00:32:57.680 you can't

00:32:58.340 do it

00:32:58.760 by creating

00:33:00.080 this sort

00:33:00.760 of division

00:33:01.300 and envy

00:33:02.280 and the problem

00:33:03.180 we've got now

00:33:03.700 is in the past

00:33:04.420 you didn't have

00:33:04.980 as much envy

00:33:05.600 because people

00:33:06.480 didn't know

00:33:06.900 how other people

00:33:07.380 lived

00:33:07.720 so they

00:33:08.280 lived their lives

00:33:10.100 in however

00:33:10.980 they found

00:33:11.460 their lives

00:33:11.900 to be

00:33:12.200 now you can

00:33:13.000 become a voyeur

00:33:14.220 and you can

00:33:14.820 and let's face it

00:33:16.160 all the media

00:33:17.080 people are trying

00:33:17.720 to show

00:33:18.940 how these

00:33:19.460 Russian oligarchs

00:33:21.000 live

00:33:21.260 or how

00:33:21.820 the billionaires

00:33:22.900 live

00:33:23.260 and the life

00:33:24.780 they live

00:33:25.320 and people

00:33:26.200 are envious

00:33:27.960 so the envy

00:33:29.880 is already there

00:33:30.680 so we don't want

00:33:31.440 a divided society

00:33:32.260 we want

00:33:32.660 a society

00:33:33.740 that works together

00:33:34.420 so I don't think

00:33:35.420 the BBC

00:33:35.780 achieves that

00:33:36.420 now

00:33:36.600 I think

00:33:36.860 they're an agent

00:33:38.480 for bad

00:33:39.160 not for good

00:33:39.800 and personally

00:33:41.040 if people want

00:33:41.520 to watch it

00:33:41.940 again

00:33:42.220 I'm a great

00:33:43.000 believer

00:33:43.280 in free choice

00:33:43.980 if you want

00:33:45.580 to charge

00:33:45.920 160 quid

00:33:47.300 fine

00:33:47.700 do it by

00:33:48.540 subscription

00:33:48.980 and those people

00:33:49.760 who want it

00:33:50.120 can pay for it

00:33:50.720 do you think

00:33:51.340 it's inevitable

00:33:51.880 that it's going

00:33:52.900 to get defunded

00:33:53.640 I hope so

00:33:54.300 I think it's

00:33:55.400 outlived its

00:33:56.060 useful life

00:33:56.700 so I'm totally

00:33:58.520 in favour

00:33:58.860 and I make no

00:33:59.700 bones about it

00:34:00.260 on Twitter

00:34:00.660 it's one of my

00:34:01.940 favourite

00:34:02.420 subjects

00:34:03.980 and I think

00:34:05.100 it should go

00:34:05.700 I think the sooner

00:34:06.700 it goes the better

00:34:07.440 the sooner we've

00:34:08.380 got a chance

00:34:08.920 of then releasing

00:34:09.660 this innate

00:34:11.020 entrepreneurialism

00:34:12.080 of the British

00:34:13.260 people

00:34:13.580 well you know

00:34:14.340 what Francis

00:34:15.280 and I are both

00:34:15.800 originally coming

00:34:16.480 from a position

00:34:17.160 that he articulated

00:34:18.100 which is

00:34:18.920 the BBC

00:34:19.500 has the potential

00:34:20.420 to be unifying

00:34:21.440 force

00:34:21.780 but I don't

00:34:22.300 see them

00:34:22.640 making any

00:34:23.320 attempt to do

00:34:23.880 that

00:34:24.120 and the sort

00:34:26.100 of Soviet

00:34:26.760 style state

00:34:27.520 control thing

00:34:28.140 that you're

00:34:28.440 talking about

00:34:28.980 is true 0.89

00:34:29.820 I mean we

00:34:30.360 look at

00:34:30.860 so we're in

00:34:31.980 the podcasting

00:34:32.940 world

00:34:33.400 or making

00:34:33.980 a YouTube

00:34:34.420 show world

00:34:35.100 and we see

00:34:35.700 what they do

00:34:36.960 when they want

00:34:37.600 to create

00:34:38.080 some podcasts

00:34:38.660 and it is

00:34:39.400 literally like

00:34:40.220 let's tick

00:34:41.000 some boxes

00:34:41.600 let's pick

00:34:42.320 people who

00:34:42.800 look the right

00:34:43.480 way or whatever

00:34:44.260 and that's not

00:34:45.680 how you create

00:34:46.500 a new business

00:34:47.920 or a new

00:34:48.360 podcast or

00:34:49.020 whatever

00:34:49.260 it has to be

00:34:50.400 on merit

00:34:51.200 it has to be

00:34:52.340 there has to be

00:34:53.480 a market for it

00:34:54.740 there has to be

00:34:55.440 lots of people

00:34:56.000 and the BBC

00:34:56.480 isn't constrained

00:34:57.440 by those things

00:34:58.080 so I think

00:34:58.460 any organisation

00:34:59.260 that can spend

00:34:59.760 100 million

00:35:00.360 on diversity

00:35:01.460 and inclusion

00:35:02.120 has got to

00:35:03.300 have got it

00:35:03.620 badly wrong

00:35:04.160 they'll probably

00:35:04.800 get diversity

00:35:05.440 and inclusion

00:35:05.960 right

00:35:06.340 but then the

00:35:06.900 content won't

00:35:07.500 be very good

00:35:08.040 those are the

00:35:09.200 trade-offs

00:35:09.640 so

00:35:10.880 it's interesting

00:35:12.400 the point that

00:35:12.900 you made

00:35:13.180 about envy

00:35:13.640 because I see

00:35:14.480 a lot of it

00:35:15.040 and I think

00:35:15.820 maybe part of it

00:35:17.600 is that

00:35:18.780 there is a feeling

00:35:19.900 that social mobility

00:35:21.560 has declined

00:35:22.300 I don't mind

00:35:23.760 you being a

00:35:25.040 billionaire

00:35:25.360 if I feel

00:35:26.280 that if I work

00:35:27.080 hard and make 0.93

00:35:27.620 the right choices

00:35:28.340 and do the right

00:35:29.060 things

00:35:29.400 and start a business

00:35:31.220 and that business

00:35:31.880 does well

00:35:32.400 then I'm going to

00:35:33.280 get to a place

00:35:33.960 in my life

00:35:34.520 where I have

00:35:35.200 what I want

00:35:35.860 and etc etc

00:35:36.940 right

00:35:37.300 but I think

00:35:38.120 for a lot of people

00:35:39.000 particularly with

00:35:39.660 the lack of

00:35:40.120 innovative spirit

00:35:40.920 as you talk about

00:35:41.740 there is a feeling

00:35:42.360 in this country

00:35:42.920 where like

00:35:43.520 if you're born

00:35:44.640 at the bottom

00:35:45.200 you're kind of

00:35:46.300 stuck there

00:35:46.800 and there's going

00:35:48.400 to be people

00:35:48.880 the woke people

00:35:49.640 that you mentioned

00:35:50.280 coming and telling you

00:35:51.180 that you know

00:35:51.880 you're stuck there

00:35:52.860 because society is evil

00:35:54.180 and it's oppressive

00:35:55.000 and it's

00:35:56.060 you're disenfranchised

00:35:57.580 and by the way

00:35:58.640 that's true

00:35:59.220 it is true

00:36:00.040 that society

00:36:00.940 disadvantages

00:36:02.440 certain people

00:36:03.160 more than others

00:36:03.680 some people are born

00:36:04.560 with more opportunities

00:36:05.540 than others

00:36:05.980 they have a father

00:36:07.440 who has more contacts

00:36:08.480 or they have money

00:36:09.180 in the bank

00:36:09.640 those things will help

00:36:10.620 that's true

00:36:11.140 but nature

00:36:11.740 differentiates

00:36:12.560 by giving

00:36:13.160 somebody a better brain

00:36:14.860 somebody a better eye

00:36:16.140 somebody whatever

00:36:16.960 so we

00:36:17.500 we're not born equal

00:36:19.260 we're not

00:36:19.920 and I actually think

00:36:21.000 relative to other countries

00:36:22.400 I've never thought

00:36:23.440 this is a racist country

00:36:24.420 I think 0.91

00:36:25.100 you know

00:36:25.720 and if you talk

00:36:27.000 to the cab drivers

00:36:27.780 most of them say

00:36:28.760 well maybe 30 years ago

00:36:30.060 as an Indian taxi driver

00:36:31.960 you might have got

00:36:32.640 some people who were racist

00:36:33.740 which is horrific

00:36:34.440 but at the end of the day

00:36:35.500 now I'm quite proud

00:36:36.760 of this country

00:36:37.280 I think to beat ourselves up

00:36:38.780 we are probably

00:36:40.020 the most fair minded people

00:36:42.260 in the world

00:36:43.420 and I think

00:36:44.280 to beat ourselves up

00:36:45.340 is completely wrong

00:36:46.000 so you know

00:36:47.900 I just

00:36:48.920 I just think

00:36:50.560 we just need

00:36:51.420 a bit more confidence

00:36:52.360 that actually

00:36:53.980 we're fine

00:36:55.740 and I

00:36:56.540 with regard to your people

00:36:57.740 who say

00:36:58.280 they don't get opportunity

00:36:59.360 there's plenty

00:37:00.080 of opportunity here

00:37:01.060 it's true

00:37:01.860 and you know

00:37:02.160 if you look at

00:37:02.920 businesses now

00:37:03.980 look at

00:37:04.460 look at these

00:37:05.120 really successful businesses

00:37:06.300 most of them

00:37:06.800 were founded in

00:37:07.600 2000

00:37:08.820 2003

00:37:10.460 2005

00:37:11.440 and you know

00:37:13.420 they're founded

00:37:14.140 from nothing

00:37:14.780 and they've been founded

00:37:16.700 by people

00:37:17.200 who've got brain power

00:37:18.260 so in a way

00:37:20.000 what's happening is

00:37:21.080 and this is what

00:37:21.800 we're going to make sure

00:37:22.520 that happens

00:37:23.120 is your brain power

00:37:24.260 is becoming the currency

00:37:25.260 yes

00:37:25.720 it's true

00:37:26.460 and what brain power

00:37:27.380 is doing is

00:37:27.920 with the help

00:37:29.440 of the QE merchants

00:37:30.400 it's

00:37:30.880 this piece of paper

00:37:32.140 that's backed by nothing

00:37:33.080 is going to be destroyed

00:37:34.080 by the ability

00:37:35.600 of the individual

00:37:36.540 to out think

00:37:37.820 and out

00:37:38.660 you know

00:37:39.780 out design

00:37:40.920 and out entrepreneur

00:37:43.080 a flat footed state

00:37:44.820 that's run by

00:37:45.460 as we say

00:37:45.960 the reverse Darwinists

00:37:47.060 I mean I'm playing

00:37:48.340 devil's advocate to you Rupert

00:37:49.540 but I can't disagree

00:37:51.240 because

00:37:51.780 here's the truth

00:37:52.700 if you want to start

00:37:53.880 something

00:37:54.600 a creative business

00:37:55.940 a podcast

00:37:56.580 a YouTube show

00:37:57.700 design a new widget

00:37:58.920 or whatever

00:37:59.280 there's never been

00:37:59.960 a better time

00:38:00.700 the capital you need

00:38:01.760 to do that

00:38:02.320 it's not like

00:38:02.840 you've got to build

00:38:03.240 a factory

00:38:03.740 it's not like

00:38:04.920 you've got to make

00:38:05.420 billions of capital

00:38:06.540 investment to do it

00:38:07.280 in fact with 3D printing

00:38:08.800 digital printing

00:38:09.980 you can almost now

00:38:12.120 print stuff

00:38:12.980 that you used to have

00:38:13.640 to have a factory

00:38:14.260 to make

00:38:14.580 so you know

00:38:15.660 there's huge innovation

00:38:17.180 taking place

00:38:17.900 the digital revolution

00:38:18.740 is massive

00:38:19.420 and I think again

00:38:20.760 it gives people

00:38:22.400 individual opportunity

00:38:23.780 you don't need to be

00:38:25.300 I mean if I've had

00:38:26.680 any benefit

00:38:27.120 over other people

00:38:28.680 it's my education

00:38:29.400 okay so I am

00:38:30.880 lucky that I've been

00:38:31.980 well educated

00:38:32.680 but I didn't choose

00:38:33.480 my parents

00:38:33.940 and I didn't choose

00:38:34.540 where I went to school

00:38:35.160 they did

00:38:35.580 but other than that

00:38:37.200 I've had to get off

00:38:37.980 my backside

00:38:38.540 and go and do it 0.77

00:38:39.080 myself

00:38:39.480 completely

00:38:40.340 and that's quite right

00:38:42.060 I think everybody

00:38:42.740 should do that

00:38:43.400 now maybe that's

00:38:44.400 a bit of an advantage

00:38:45.100 but I tell you what

00:38:45.760 there's a lot more

00:38:46.440 people who are a lot

00:38:47.080 more clever than I am

00:38:48.060 so and you know

00:38:49.640 they're brilliant

00:38:50.360 a lot of people

00:38:51.200 but what you mustn't

00:38:51.900 do is hold those back

00:38:53.040 yeah

00:38:53.300 but equally

00:38:54.200 you can't clog up

00:38:55.820 the pause

00:38:56.360 for them to succeed

00:38:57.640 by looking after

00:38:59.060 all the people

00:38:59.560 who aren't that able

00:39:00.400 they have to accept

00:39:02.540 their position

00:39:04.160 and again

00:39:04.820 working in Japan

00:39:05.600 which is a fascinating

00:39:06.880 country

00:39:07.380 you've got a very

00:39:08.120 pyramidal structure

00:39:09.160 so everybody in Japan

00:39:10.620 sort of accepts

00:39:12.040 where they are

00:39:12.760 in a way

00:39:13.360 they're held back

00:39:14.620 far more than we are

00:39:15.440 because if you're born

00:39:16.480 into a certain part

00:39:17.480 of that triangle

00:39:18.180 that's where you aspire

00:39:19.460 to be

00:39:19.900 here we don't

00:39:21.300 we should all be

00:39:21.940 aspirational

00:39:22.540 we should all want

00:39:23.260 to do well

00:39:23.860 we have to respect

00:39:25.320 other people

00:39:25.900 we have to

00:39:26.680 to say well

00:39:27.460 he's successful

00:39:28.800 I should respect him

00:39:30.160 I'd like to emulate him

00:39:31.660 and I'm going to get 0.87

00:39:32.680 off my backside

00:39:33.320 and do it 0.53

00:39:33.900 and I think

00:39:35.320 there's huge opportunity

00:39:36.320 here

00:39:36.700 not least because

00:39:38.180 of the digital revolution

00:39:39.040 I agree

00:39:39.580 if anything's holding

00:39:40.340 us back

00:39:40.880 it's over complicated

00:39:42.700 tax laws

00:39:43.600 which means

00:39:44.160 you have to employ

00:39:45.080 hugely expensive

00:39:46.680 tax lawyers

00:39:47.960 and hugely expensive

00:39:49.000 lawyers

00:39:49.260 there's far too many

00:39:50.020 lawyers and professionals

00:39:51.780 they need to be

00:39:52.840 trimmed back

00:39:53.320 they're the

00:39:53.720 vast amount

00:39:54.880 I thought I was going

00:39:55.120 to say executed

00:39:56.060 vast amounts

00:39:57.140 of them

00:39:58.540 who are holding

00:39:59.220 back all these people

00:40:00.340 because actually

00:40:01.340 if you simplified

00:40:02.360 and that wouldn't be

00:40:03.360 difficult to get rid of them

00:40:03.940 we need to have

00:40:04.540 a flat rate tax

00:40:05.380 which actually

00:40:06.800 has been proved

00:40:08.180 to work better

00:40:08.800 than all this

00:40:09.420 very complicated

00:40:10.540 tax law

00:40:11.080 and I don't know

00:40:11.460 about you

00:40:11.780 but I used to be

00:40:13.680 able to do

00:40:13.860 my own tax return

00:40:14.780 I now have to rely

00:40:15.980 on an extremely

00:40:16.720 expensive accountant

00:40:17.680 to do it

00:40:18.180 because it's so

00:40:18.940 complicated

00:40:19.540 yeah

00:40:20.160 that's literally

00:40:20.800 what we've had to do

00:40:21.520 and what the state's

00:40:22.600 done is it's

00:40:23.120 positioned itself

00:40:23.940 against the individual

00:40:25.340 so it's trying

00:40:26.260 to rob you

00:40:26.900 without knowing

00:40:27.520 it's robbed you

00:40:28.340 and then what's it

00:40:29.400 doing wasting all the

00:40:30.220 money that it takes

00:40:30.980 off you

00:40:31.300 it was supposed

00:40:32.440 to be spending

00:40:33.260 that to make 0.51

00:40:33.900 your life easier

00:40:34.580 and administer

00:40:35.140 everything correctly

00:40:36.020 you know your

00:40:36.480 whatever it was

00:40:37.860 your water

00:40:38.320 your gas

00:40:39.160 your electricity

00:40:39.580 and the Victorians

00:40:40.360 never privatized

00:40:41.840 all their utilities

00:40:42.780 because otherwise

00:40:44.560 they got disease

00:40:45.180 and you know

00:40:45.960 things broke down

00:40:46.860 and people didn't

00:40:47.260 invest enough

00:40:47.780 so I think

00:40:49.160 you know

00:40:49.980 there's so much

00:40:51.440 that could be

00:40:51.900 changed so easily

00:40:52.960 but as you say

00:40:54.320 we've got this

00:40:55.420 we've got this

00:40:56.300 establishment

00:40:56.980 which is just

00:40:57.760 not fit for purpose

00:40:58.680 and it's time

00:41:00.100 for people

00:41:00.600 to start calling

00:41:01.480 them out

00:41:01.960 you know

00:41:02.580 people

00:41:02.960 the voter

00:41:03.940 the taxpayer

00:41:05.700 should be

00:41:06.620 complaining

00:41:07.300 you can't get

00:41:07.860 through to HMRC

00:41:08.920 it's so complicated

00:41:10.040 why do we need

00:41:10.680 all that complication

00:41:11.460 the FCA

00:41:12.720 they regulate

00:41:13.800 the city of London

00:41:15.440 out of existence

00:41:16.320 you know

00:41:17.020 they worry about

00:41:17.800 a little insider trader

00:41:19.180 and then they miss

00:41:20.040 the huge fraud

00:41:21.380 they're never going

00:41:21.840 to challenge that

00:41:22.520 so it's all

00:41:23.980 it's all fiddling around

00:41:25.380 at the lower level

00:41:26.440 again a lot of lawyers

00:41:28.460 and professionals

00:41:29.400 who are looking

00:41:30.000 at the small print

00:41:30.740 not the big picture

00:41:31.780 so I

00:41:33.060 you know

00:41:33.660 that's oppressive

00:41:34.660 you've got

00:41:35.340 you know

00:41:35.640 as I say

00:41:36.200 the planners now

00:41:37.500 are shocking

00:41:38.080 you can't get an answer

00:41:38.800 out of them

00:41:39.420 they're supposed to

00:41:40.700 respond within a certain time

00:41:42.600 but they don't

00:41:43.200 what's the sanction

00:41:43.780 if they don't

00:41:44.240 well there doesn't

00:41:44.780 appear to be one

00:41:45.340 so you know

00:41:47.360 if you

00:41:47.780 the more you centralize

00:41:49.080 everything

00:41:49.380 and you saw this

00:41:50.300 in the USSR

00:41:51.000 you know

00:41:51.440 nothing works

00:41:52.180 and in the end

00:41:52.680 nobody takes any

00:41:53.240 responsibility

00:41:53.720 and it's always

00:41:54.980 somebody else's fault

00:41:55.880 a bit like a bad

00:41:57.260 run football club

00:41:58.100 it wasn't my fault

00:41:59.660 it was him

00:42:00.760 anyway that's enough

00:42:02.040 about Everton

00:42:02.640 so

00:42:02.980 I'm going to have

00:42:07.060 to protect you

00:42:07.800 from Anton

00:42:08.280 for the rest of the day

00:42:09.240 hey Francis

00:42:10.940 do you like books?

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00:42:40.480 then Ripples in Reality

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00:44:04.700 The one thing that I wanted

00:44:12.420 to talk to you about Rupert

00:44:13.420 which I think is very interesting

00:44:14.500 and we've touched on it briefly

00:44:16.380 is the future of Europe

00:44:18.120 because we voted to leave

00:44:20.580 and that was the right thing to do

00:44:24.000 that was what the public wanted

00:44:25.360 I voted remain

00:44:26.480 I believe that we should have left

00:44:27.920 that was the right choice

00:44:29.320 but you look at the future of Europe

00:44:31.680 and I'm looking at it

00:44:32.860 and I don't live there

00:44:35.740 but as somebody who just

00:44:37.140 takes a very sort of cursory look

00:44:40.160 at the place and the countries

00:44:41.820 it seems to be descending into chaos

00:44:44.520 you look at what's happening in Italy

00:44:45.920 you look at what's happening in France

00:44:47.800 Austria-Germany

00:44:50.640 there's civil rights

00:44:51.720 the economics is in the toilet

00:44:53.100 it looks like the end of something

00:44:55.420 Well I think it's in deep trouble

00:44:58.060 and you know

00:44:59.720 the way I explain to most people

00:45:02.700 who don't want to get into the detail

00:45:05.800 is the difference between us

00:45:07.400 and the Europeans

00:45:07.860 is quite straightforward

00:45:09.080 so we are libertarian free traders

00:45:12.640 and we have laws

00:45:14.360 and our laws are structured

00:45:16.720 in such a way

00:45:17.460 that you know

00:45:18.020 if the law

00:45:18.620 unless the law says

00:45:19.580 you can't do something

00:45:20.900 you assume you can

00:45:21.960 that's the sort of

00:45:24.300 to use a politically incorrect phrase

00:45:26.600 the Anglo-Saxon view of life

00:45:28.120 in Europe

00:45:30.020 it's the other way around

00:45:31.060 yes

00:45:31.360 the Europeans

00:45:32.460 and this is how I explain it

00:45:34.480 to people simply

00:45:35.420 the Europeans are of the view

00:45:37.400 that unless the law says

00:45:38.780 you can do it

00:45:39.860 you assume you can't do it

00:45:42.280 that's the difference between us

00:45:43.580 the essential difference between us and them

00:45:44.980 and you know

00:45:46.720 the European Parliament

00:45:47.760 I think

00:45:48.340 and I said this to Nigel Farage

00:45:49.800 after a day there

00:45:50.620 I said the only reason

00:45:51.360 I can see this place exists

00:45:52.920 and look being there was fun

00:45:54.340 you know

00:45:55.040 you had lots of debating

00:45:56.020 you had lots of interesting people

00:45:58.060 you had

00:45:58.480 you know

00:45:59.100 and the concept was fine

00:46:00.220 but actually

00:46:01.040 what was it there for

00:46:01.940 it was there

00:46:02.940 to stop Germany 0.93

00:46:04.000 starting another war with France 0.60

00:46:05.640 and France stopping another war with Germany

00:46:07.220 and roping everybody together

00:46:09.040 that's what it's there for

00:46:10.460 and the European people

00:46:12.840 I think

00:46:13.360 are suffering

00:46:14.240 I mean

00:46:14.520 I don't understand

00:46:15.680 I mean

00:46:17.020 Varoufakis is a man I like

00:46:18.660 I love reading his books

00:46:19.700 I think he's

00:46:20.140 he's a very smart

00:46:21.220 clever

00:46:22.040 again socialist

00:46:23.220 he doesn't necessarily agree

00:46:24.040 with my view of life

00:46:24.880 but I respect him

00:46:25.980 as a clever man

00:46:27.280 you know

00:46:28.360 he would have taken Greece 0.99

00:46:29.640 out of the euro

00:46:30.320 I would have taken Greece 0.99

00:46:31.360 out of the euro

00:46:31.960 I'd have

00:46:32.660 gone back to the drachma

00:46:34.400 I'd have devalued

00:46:35.560 and I'd have made Greece

00:46:36.520 the primary holiday destination

00:46:38.800 of the rest of Europe

00:46:39.720 and it would have rebuilt itself

00:46:41.380 in no time

00:46:42.000 but no

00:46:43.740 they got bullied into staying

00:46:45.180 Italy

00:46:45.680 I mean

00:46:46.120 I love Italy

00:46:46.860 my wife and I

00:46:47.500 go walking

00:46:48.040 the Via Francigena in Italy

00:46:49.660 and it's the most fantastic country

00:46:51.840 and the people are fantastic

00:46:52.960 I love it

00:46:53.560 they've got style

00:46:54.400 they're great with children

00:46:55.760 they're kind

00:46:56.840 they have fantastic food

00:46:58.440 but they're dying on their feet

00:47:00.760 in the euro

00:47:01.320 so the key

00:47:02.380 a bit like here

00:47:04.060 the BBC

00:47:04.440 the key cancer in Europe

00:47:06.440 is the euro

00:47:07.540 so the euro

00:47:09.140 was

00:47:09.740 when they realised

00:47:11.080 that the political experiment

00:47:12.680 was failing

00:47:13.300 they thought to themselves

00:47:15.260 we've got to get

00:47:16.600 the currency together

00:47:18.320 so without having

00:47:19.340 if you like

00:47:20.580 the sort of governments together

00:47:22.800 they rammed the currency through

00:47:24.560 and that's why I stood for the referendum party

00:47:26.720 in 97

00:47:27.280 funded by James Goldsmith

00:47:28.620 he really saved the pound

00:47:29.780 and 50 million pounds he invested

00:47:31.340 and I kept my deposit in the Cotswolds

00:47:34.180 I got 6.7% of the vote

00:47:36.380 and returned the deposit to Sir James

00:47:39.920 so he saved the pound

00:47:42.240 and the reason we did that

00:47:43.600 was because

00:47:44.120 our establishment

00:47:45.480 shock horror

00:47:46.820 thought the euro

00:47:48.260 was the best thing

00:47:48.940 since sliced bread

00:47:49.720 Blair famously

00:47:50.840 Blair

00:47:51.220 all three

00:47:52.620 Blair, Major

00:47:53.640 and Paddy Ashdown

00:47:54.540 all wanted it

00:47:55.800 so you know

00:47:57.480 but then we got this promise

00:47:58.720 of a referendum

00:47:59.420 which in the end

00:48:00.520 and again

00:48:02.200 everybody says

00:48:02.720 oh it was Gordon Brown

00:48:04.760 it had nothing to do with Gordon Brown

00:48:05.800 the referendum party

00:48:07.120 came before Gordon Brown

00:48:08.140 we'd have been in the euro

00:48:09.320 if we

00:48:10.720 if Jimmy hadn't got

00:48:11.980 I think he got

00:48:12.660 820,000 votes or something

00:48:15.260 I know

00:48:16.620 because I had a bet

00:48:17.160 with somebody from the Foreign Office

00:48:18.060 which he never honoured

00:48:18.900 of a case of champagne

00:48:19.900 who said we wouldn't get

00:48:20.680 half a million votes

00:48:21.460 so that put enough pressure on them

00:48:23.540 to promise

00:48:24.820 all three parties

00:48:25.680 promised a referendum

00:48:26.440 which is why Cameron

00:48:27.180 had a referendum in the end

00:48:28.120 didn't need to have it

00:48:29.060 when he did

00:48:29.420 but he did 0.96

00:48:29.900 because he was arrogant 0.51

00:48:30.460 enough to think

00:48:30.940 he was going to win it

00:48:31.600 so I think

00:48:33.400 you know

00:48:33.900 Europe's been killed

00:48:35.220 by the euro

00:48:36.520 and the euro must fail

00:48:38.800 but it's a bit like

00:48:40.540 the USSR

00:48:41.420 you know

00:48:42.060 once you've got

00:48:42.880 this elite

00:48:43.860 that's

00:48:44.480 all in

00:48:45.800 it's never going

00:48:47.540 to admit defeat

00:48:48.480 until

00:48:48.960 and again

00:48:50.340 the communist bloc 0.98

00:48:52.280 was so rotten

00:48:53.200 when it fell

00:48:53.920 there was nothing there

00:48:54.820 everybody thought

00:48:55.780 I remember the wall

00:48:56.600 coming down

00:48:57.020 everybody thought

00:48:57.380 it would take 10 years

00:48:58.280 took a nanosecond

00:48:59.640 because there was nothing left

00:49:00.960 it was rotten

00:49:02.140 and you're going to see that

00:49:03.600 I think

00:49:04.140 in Europe

00:49:04.660 so it'll

00:49:05.200 it'll last longer

00:49:06.780 than you think

00:49:07.380 but when it fails

00:49:08.320 it'll fail spectacularly

00:49:09.880 and that's when

00:49:11.280 the real truth

00:49:13.340 about this

00:49:14.080 post-war

00:49:15.640 protectionist block

00:49:17.140 which is what they are

00:49:18.140 you know

00:49:18.780 from the common

00:49:19.280 agricultural policy

00:49:20.220 right the way through

00:49:21.100 it's completely protectionist

00:49:22.560 it's totally

00:49:23.660 anti-everything

00:49:24.520 that really

00:49:25.400 we stand for

00:49:26.820 as a trading nation

00:49:27.680 but we lost

00:49:29.440 our confidence

00:49:29.980 we went in

00:49:31.000 you know

00:49:31.340 we had

00:49:31.600 Ted Heath

00:49:32.340 and a bunch

00:49:33.780 of really quite

00:49:34.540 weak leaders

00:49:35.280 then

00:49:35.600 I mean

00:49:35.820 it's not new

00:49:36.640 this weak leader

00:49:37.340 business

00:49:37.740 and they took us in

00:49:39.800 because they lost

00:49:40.440 confidence

00:49:40.840 and we then

00:49:42.720 had Maggie 0.50

00:49:43.320 as you know

00:49:43.940 Maggie was very

00:49:44.640 Eurosceptic

00:49:45.380 but I think

00:49:46.060 there's a real

00:49:46.520 shock coming

00:49:47.140 in Europe

00:49:47.520 at some stage

00:49:48.900 but how long

00:49:49.960 can Italy

00:49:50.320 go on

00:49:50.900 I liken it

00:49:52.340 to withering

00:49:52.880 on the vine

00:49:53.580 I mean they're literally

00:49:54.420 the blood supply

00:49:55.360 is being cut off

00:49:56.280 and they're sort of

00:49:56.860 withering

00:49:57.340 and they can't

00:49:59.420 thrive

00:50:00.000 until they're out

00:50:00.640 of the Euro

00:50:01.080 but this is what

00:50:02.240 I don't understand

00:50:03.100 I've never been

00:50:03.940 in business

00:50:04.480 right

00:50:04.820 but I look

00:50:05.860 how can you have

00:50:07.060 the same currency

00:50:07.940 for economies

00:50:09.180 as diverse

00:50:10.020 as Germany

00:50:10.880 Italy

00:50:11.880 Greece

00:50:12.940 they're completely

00:50:13.740 different economies

00:50:14.600 with different needs

00:50:15.520 look there's only one

00:50:16.200 solution

00:50:16.620 which is

00:50:17.680 the counterintuitive

00:50:18.580 solution

00:50:19.140 and you may know

00:50:20.320 the Germans never 0.99

00:50:20.960 wanted to join the Euro

00:50:21.880 they got bullied

00:50:22.840 by the French

00:50:23.460 into joining

00:50:24.000 I didn't know that

00:50:25.140 in fact the Germans

00:50:26.000 yeah the Germans 0.96

00:50:26.740 wanted to keep

00:50:27.560 the Deutsche Mark

00:50:28.340 in fact they've

00:50:29.060 I used to work

00:50:29.860 for Deutsche Bank

00:50:30.400 so they

00:50:30.840 ultimately

00:50:31.760 they were bullied

00:50:33.220 into joining

00:50:33.720 they've been

00:50:34.120 the main beneficiary

00:50:34.900 of it

00:50:35.120 so the counterintuitive

00:50:36.000 resolution to this

00:50:37.100 is for Germany 0.89

00:50:38.040 to leave the Euro

00:50:39.280 and leave all the

00:50:40.860 weak nations

00:50:41.540 and let the Euro

00:50:42.800 float down

00:50:43.860 that'll let

00:50:44.760 again this elite

00:50:46.360 that's sort of

00:50:46.940 holding it all together

00:50:47.660 won't let that happen

00:50:48.680 that's what they

00:50:49.680 should be doing

00:50:50.320 if they want to

00:50:51.060 protect the

00:50:51.960 living standards

00:50:53.300 of the majority

00:50:54.020 of the people

00:50:54.540 in Europe

00:50:54.980 but I mean

00:50:55.940 I'm amazed

00:50:57.080 at how servile

00:50:58.040 most of the

00:50:59.020 European electorate

00:51:00.060 is

00:51:00.260 they are incredibly

00:51:01.180 servile

00:51:01.680 and again

00:51:01.960 look at their

00:51:02.380 history

00:51:02.740 you know

00:51:04.220 they tend to be

00:51:05.220 far less

00:51:05.960 questioning

00:51:06.420 than us

00:51:07.300 far less

00:51:08.520 individualistic

00:51:09.440 far less

00:51:10.080 libertarian

00:51:11.760 and that's

00:51:12.360 ultimately I think

00:51:13.100 the root cause

00:51:14.160 of the problem

00:51:14.640 between us

00:51:15.140 and France

00:51:15.560 has always been

00:51:16.040 a problem

00:51:16.400 and I think

00:51:16.680 there always will be

00:51:17.400 and of course

00:51:18.520 that difference

00:51:19.060 in attitude

00:51:19.520 you see reflected

00:51:20.540 in the COVID

00:51:21.140 restrictions

00:51:21.800 the way that

00:51:22.420 you know

00:51:22.840 even though

00:51:23.960 I think all three

00:51:24.840 of us have

00:51:25.300 complained pretty

00:51:25.980 hard about the

00:51:26.600 things that have

00:51:26.980 happened here

00:51:27.360 and I think

00:51:27.700 a lot of them

00:51:28.160 have been very

00:51:28.580 wrong

00:51:28.900 the vaccine

00:51:29.740 passports for

00:51:30.460 example

00:51:30.820 just outrageous

00:51:31.680 as far as I'm

00:51:32.500 concerned

00:51:32.860 outrageous

00:51:33.380 outrageous

00:51:33.960 but how far

00:51:35.660 they've gone on

00:51:36.280 the continent

00:51:36.820 is a different

00:51:37.940 scale

00:51:38.460 well Macron's

00:51:39.640 behaving like a

00:51:40.340 dictator

00:51:40.740 right

00:51:41.180 and look at

00:51:41.700 Austria

00:51:41.940 and yet the cases

00:51:42.740 in France

00:51:43.440 are going through

00:51:43.920 the roof

00:51:44.360 and funny enough

00:51:45.200 in the most

00:51:46.140 jabbed country 0.95

00:51:46.960 in the world 0.56

00:51:47.360 Israel

00:51:47.840 the stats

00:51:48.840 don't bear

00:51:49.360 looking at

00:51:49.840 I mean

00:51:50.080 they're still

00:51:50.480 jabbing away

00:51:51.420 and Sajid

00:51:53.180 Jabbit

00:51:53.640 as I like

00:51:54.160 to call him

00:51:54.580 he's trying

00:51:55.880 to emulate

00:51:56.720 them

00:51:57.000 or he was

00:51:57.360 at one time

00:51:57.980 I might pinch

00:51:59.140 that from you

00:51:59.640 if you don't

00:51:59.940 mind

00:52:00.120 with Sajid

00:52:00.580 Jabbit

00:52:00.940 but look

00:52:01.960 there's one

00:52:02.360 thing that

00:52:02.720 we've got

00:52:03.060 about 10

00:52:03.460 minutes left

00:52:03.860 and there's

00:52:04.100 one thing

00:52:04.460 that we

00:52:04.720 haven't talked

00:52:05.200 about yet

00:52:05.540 which is

00:52:06.000 interesting

00:52:06.300 to me

00:52:06.620 and I think

00:52:06.960 interesting

00:52:07.300 to a lot

00:52:07.700 of people

00:52:08.080 what is it

00:52:09.240 like to be

00:52:09.880 involved in

00:52:10.440 football

00:52:10.700 what is it

00:52:11.260 like to run

00:52:11.880 a football

00:52:12.220 club

00:52:12.540 well as I

00:52:14.280 said earlier

00:52:15.300 I got into

00:52:16.000 football by

00:52:16.580 default

00:52:17.000 so I was

00:52:18.020 I was going

00:52:18.920 to build

00:52:20.220 the football

00:52:20.720 stadium

00:52:21.160 St Mary's

00:52:21.740 which we did

00:52:22.220 build in the

00:52:22.760 end

00:52:22.960 again we had

00:52:23.940 huge trouble

00:52:24.680 with local

00:52:25.160 councils

00:52:25.580 so just to

00:52:26.920 give you a

00:52:27.200 quick example

00:52:27.760 of how inefficient

00:52:28.640 the local

00:52:29.680 politics of

00:52:30.360 these various

00:52:30.800 places is

00:52:31.440 originally we

00:52:32.580 were going to

00:52:32.880 build the

00:52:33.660 stadium right

00:52:34.660 next to the

00:52:35.080 airport so it

00:52:35.760 would have been

00:52:36.000 a fantastic

00:52:36.660 site

00:52:37.080 so you had

00:52:38.260 Hampshire

00:52:38.720 County

00:52:39.100 Council

00:52:39.500 was a

00:52:40.520 Tory

00:52:40.800 council

00:52:41.460 Southampton

00:52:42.860 City

00:52:43.160 Council

00:52:43.580 was Labour

00:52:44.160 and

00:52:45.260 Eastleigh

00:52:45.780 Borough

00:52:46.080 Council

00:52:46.440 was Liberal

00:52:47.040 so none

00:52:48.320 of them

00:52:48.560 could agree

00:52:49.020 that water

00:52:49.500 was wet

00:52:50.000 and the

00:52:51.840 site should

00:52:52.420 have been

00:52:52.720 the site

00:52:53.320 where we

00:52:53.580 developed the

00:52:54.080 stadium

00:52:54.340 and we

00:52:55.180 would have

00:52:55.460 built it

00:52:55.980 and developed

00:52:56.600 it and

00:52:57.180 project

00:52:57.620 managed it

00:52:58.080 for nothing

00:52:58.640 just to

00:52:59.460 have the

00:52:59.740 stadium

00:53:00.040 but no

00:53:00.560 they couldn't

00:53:01.540 agree

00:53:01.800 so in the

00:53:02.200 end

00:53:02.340 Southampton

00:53:02.740 City

00:53:02.960 Council

00:53:03.300 helped us

00:53:04.360 the old

00:53:05.400 Transco

00:53:05.920 site

00:53:06.240 so we

00:53:06.440 had to

00:53:06.580 spend

00:53:06.780 a fortune

00:53:07.300 cleaning

00:53:08.860 up all

00:53:09.340 the oil

00:53:10.640 residue

00:53:11.360 and then

00:53:11.820 we had

00:53:12.100 to do

00:53:12.360 the

00:53:12.540 archaeology

00:53:13.060 which was

00:53:13.380 interesting

00:53:13.720 because it's

00:53:14.120 on the

00:53:14.420 ancient

00:53:14.660 settlement

00:53:15.020 of Hamwick

00:53:15.540 so we

00:53:15.820 did find

00:53:16.200 some quite

00:53:16.540 interesting

00:53:16.900 trading relics

00:53:18.140 as we've

00:53:18.560 always been

00:53:18.900 traders with

00:53:19.420 northern Europe

00:53:19.920 so it was

00:53:20.780 very interesting

00:53:21.140 we found lots

00:53:21.700 of stuff

00:53:22.040 there

00:53:22.240 which we

00:53:22.760 put on

00:53:23.180 show

00:53:23.660 in the

00:53:24.100 stadium

00:53:24.380 so we

00:53:24.660 built

00:53:24.840 St.

00:53:25.080 Mary's

00:53:25.400 but I

00:53:26.800 had no

00:53:27.360 idea

00:53:27.860 when I

00:53:28.700 got

00:53:28.980 when we

00:53:29.540 did the

00:53:29.760 reverse

00:53:30.020 takeover

00:53:30.580 and I

00:53:31.160 became

00:53:31.520 chairman

00:53:31.880 of the

00:53:32.100 holding

00:53:32.320 company

00:53:32.760 and Guy

00:53:33.200 Ascom 0.57

00:53:33.560 who's a

00:53:33.980 fantastic

00:53:34.500 man

00:53:34.820 my previous

00:53:35.360 chairman

00:53:35.800 he

00:53:37.160 remained

00:53:41.360 we had

00:53:43.820 I think

00:53:44.380 27 points

00:53:46.180 from 31

00:53:46.760 games

00:53:47.220 we were

00:53:48.300 bottom

00:53:48.580 and Guy

00:53:50.600 Ascom 0.57

00:53:50.900 said to me

00:53:51.340 you need

00:53:51.640 to be

00:53:51.840 chairman

00:53:52.040 of both

00:53:52.360 companies

00:53:52.740 to bring

00:53:54.080 some sense

00:53:54.860 and rationalisation

00:53:56.080 when we go

00:53:56.500 down and we

00:53:56.940 lose a lot

00:53:57.320 of the

00:53:57.480 Premier League

00:53:57.780 income

00:53:58.060 so I

00:53:58.740 thought

00:53:58.860 well I'm

00:53:59.100 not going

00:53:59.380 to do

00:53:59.680 that

00:53:59.880 without

00:54:00.040 having

00:54:00.440 a bit

00:54:00.660 of a

00:54:00.900 fight

00:54:01.600 so

00:54:01.920 shock

00:54:02.740 horror

00:54:03.040 unlike

00:54:03.340 any

00:54:03.660 chairman

00:54:03.980 before I

00:54:04.520 started

00:54:04.860 going

00:54:05.080 to the

00:54:05.280 dressing

00:54:05.520 room

00:54:05.660 because

00:54:05.800 as I

00:54:06.220 said

00:54:06.320 I

00:54:06.400 used

00:54:06.500 to

00:54:06.600 play

00:54:06.740 reasonably

00:54:07.000 competitive

00:54:07.400 hockey

00:54:07.700 and I'm

00:54:08.340 not frightened

00:54:08.740 of a

00:54:08.900 dressing room

00:54:11.360 in those

00:54:12.220 final

00:54:12.700 seven

00:54:13.180 games

00:54:13.780 we

00:54:14.220 got

00:54:15.440 I think

00:54:15.920 13

00:54:16.520 points

00:54:17.060 because

00:54:18.420 we

00:54:18.600 ended

00:54:18.740 up

00:54:19.980 I think

00:54:20.260 with

00:54:20.380 41

00:54:20.720 points

00:54:21.080 from

00:54:21.240 memory

00:54:21.460 and if

00:54:22.720 you remember

00:54:22.940 I think

00:54:23.160 Middlesbrough

00:54:23.460 went down

00:54:23.860 that year

00:54:24.180 and we

00:54:24.720 stayed up

00:54:25.220 and that's

00:54:26.160 when Sue

00:54:26.520 Ness

00:54:26.680 resigned

00:54:27.200 and I

00:54:28.320 was

00:54:28.520 then

00:54:28.880 Laurie

00:54:30.400 McManamy

00:54:30.800 resigned

00:54:31.240 having

00:54:32.120 stitched

00:54:32.640 me up

00:54:33.080 so

00:54:33.440 first of

00:54:34.700 all

00:54:34.900 Sue

00:54:35.380 Ness

00:54:35.580 I said

00:54:35.820 well if

00:54:35.980 you're

00:54:36.080 going to

00:54:36.240 go

00:54:36.380 Laurie

00:54:36.600 you

00:54:36.860 resign

00:54:37.180 together

00:54:37.580 but

00:54:38.640 no

00:54:38.900 we wrote

00:54:39.700 the press

00:54:40.040 release

00:54:40.280 together

00:54:40.700 Laurie

00:54:41.220 says

00:54:42.040 this

00:54:42.400 and then

00:54:43.020 24 hours

00:54:43.520 later

00:54:43.660 Laurie

00:54:43.940 resigned

00:54:44.240 and then

00:54:44.540 there's

00:54:44.720 me

00:54:45.080 on

00:54:45.780 virtually

00:54:46.200 every

00:54:46.560 back

00:54:46.880 page

00:54:47.220 of

00:54:47.420 most

00:54:47.820 tabloids

00:54:48.340 looking like

00:54:48.800 a child 1.00

00:54:49.140 molester 0.99

00:54:49.560 with a 0.99

00:54:51.100 border

00:54:51.380 running around

00:54:52.000 it saying

00:54:52.420 Southampton

00:54:53.320 crisis

00:54:53.740 so I just

00:54:55.120 shut the

00:54:55.460 phones off

00:54:55.960 and in the

00:54:56.400 end

00:54:56.700 I hired

00:54:58.300 Dave Jones

00:55:00.000 and we

00:55:02.460 didn't do very

00:55:03.600 well to start

00:55:04.100 with I had

00:55:04.460 the whole

00:55:04.760 stadium

00:55:05.260 I think

00:55:05.960 the joke

00:55:06.460 at Southampton

00:55:07.140 after the

00:55:07.820 first

00:55:08.160 10 games

00:55:09.660 of that

00:55:09.940 season

00:55:10.240 I think

00:55:10.480 we had

00:55:10.680 one point

00:55:11.340 and the

00:55:11.640 joke

00:55:11.880 going round

00:55:12.400 was what's

00:55:13.360 the difference

00:55:13.740 between

00:55:14.020 Southampton

00:55:14.700 and a

00:55:14.940 cocktail

00:55:15.240 stick

00:55:15.720 the answer

00:55:16.700 to which

00:55:17.020 is a

00:55:17.440 cocktail

00:55:17.760 stick's

00:55:18.200 got two

00:55:18.600 points

00:55:18.980 so the

00:55:21.920 crowd were

00:55:23.060 chanting

00:55:23.440 Rupert

00:55:23.860 Loza

00:55:24.260 W-A-N-K-E-R 1.00

00:55:25.740 and you know

00:55:26.560 I mean

00:55:26.840 I thought

00:55:27.920 what am I

00:55:28.320 doing

00:55:28.600 right

00:55:29.360 anyway

00:55:29.880 then it

00:55:30.640 all came

00:55:31.060 right

00:55:31.260 sorry to

00:55:32.340 interrupt

00:55:32.620 because it's

00:55:33.040 fascinating

00:55:33.620 what is

00:55:34.640 that like

00:55:35.320 because

00:55:35.740 stressful

00:55:36.360 no one

00:55:37.200 very few

00:55:38.220 people

00:55:38.580 even we

00:55:39.220 we get

00:55:39.600 a lot

00:55:39.880 of hate

00:55:40.160 online

00:55:40.560 from everybody

00:55:41.340 right

00:55:41.760 but that's

00:55:42.600 different

00:55:43.080 that's

00:55:43.600 different

00:55:43.920 when it's

00:55:44.320 online I

00:55:44.820 can go

00:55:45.060 this person

00:55:45.520 sitting in

00:55:45.960 their mother's

00:55:46.380 basement

00:55:46.720 they haven't

00:55:47.220 but you've

00:55:47.880 got 50,000

00:55:48.900 people

00:55:49.440 15,500

00:55:50.740 at the

00:55:51.360 Dell

00:55:51.540 I told my

00:55:53.260 wife it 0.80

00:55:53.640 wasn't

00:55:53.940 true

00:55:54.200 and I

00:55:55.500 had to

00:55:55.760 pretend

00:55:56.040 I

00:55:56.560 wasn't

00:55:58.340 affected

00:55:58.740 by it

00:55:59.140 which you

00:55:59.580 have to

00:56:00.020 show

00:56:00.420 outwardly

00:56:01.120 no sign

00:56:02.640 of

00:56:02.820 but there's

00:56:03.340 15,000

00:56:04.120 people

00:56:04.500 who paid

00:56:04.900 25 quid

00:56:05.760 or whatever

00:56:06.080 to see a

00:56:06.640 game

00:56:06.900 to chant

00:56:07.600 Rupert Lowe

00:56:08.260 as a 1.00

00:56:08.480 wanker 1.00

00:56:08.860 and you're 0.98

00:56:09.300 there

00:56:09.480 in your own

00:56:09.940 stadium

00:56:10.360 I think we

00:56:11.440 lost 2-0

00:56:12.060 to Leeds

00:56:12.500 that it

00:56:12.700 was an

00:56:12.900 evening

00:56:13.120 game

00:56:13.540 anyway

00:56:14.560 I remember

00:56:16.220 Christopher

00:56:17.260 Bland was

00:56:17.820 at the

00:56:18.180 next game

00:56:18.780 we were

00:56:18.940 playing

00:56:19.120 West Ham

00:56:19.740 and the

00:56:20.760 punters

00:56:21.160 were lobbing

00:56:22.300 their

00:56:22.720 programs

00:56:23.760 at us

00:56:24.240 and Christopher

00:56:24.680 Bland

00:56:24.940 got hit

00:56:25.380 on the

00:56:25.660 shoulder

00:56:25.940 by a

00:56:26.940 projectile

00:56:27.580 this is

00:56:27.960 West Ham

00:56:28.420 and we

00:56:29.840 beat

00:56:30.040 West Ham

00:56:30.420 3-0

00:56:30.940 and then we

00:56:31.600 didn't look

00:56:32.060 back

00:56:32.340 we beat

00:56:32.800 Liverpool

00:56:33.340 and Anfield

00:56:34.120 and by

00:56:34.720 Christmas

00:56:35.080 I think

00:56:35.460 we were

00:56:35.760 11th in

00:56:36.860 the league

00:56:37.160 or something

00:56:37.460 so it

00:56:37.860 all calmed

00:56:38.420 down

00:56:38.660 the best

00:56:39.200 I ever

00:56:39.520 got

00:56:39.940 being

00:56:41.360 as they

00:56:41.820 called me

00:56:42.180 a toff

00:56:42.720 and a

00:56:43.000 public school

00:56:43.420 boy

00:56:43.700 was

00:56:44.120 being left

00:56:45.500 alone

00:56:45.840 if we

00:56:46.080 were doing

00:56:46.360 well

00:56:46.640 which on

00:56:47.040 the whole

00:56:47.480 we did

00:56:48.160 so

00:56:49.480 what do I

00:56:52.540 think of

00:56:52.840 football

00:56:53.060 I loved

00:56:53.620 it

00:56:53.820 because I'm

00:56:54.420 competitive

00:56:54.920 I love

00:56:55.500 sport

00:56:55.900 I now

00:56:56.420 play

00:56:56.620 reasonably

00:56:56.880 good

00:56:57.060 tennis

00:56:57.320 because

00:56:57.620 I'm

00:56:57.820 getting

00:56:58.100 too old

00:56:58.540 to charge

00:56:59.520 around

00:56:59.720 a hockey

00:56:59.960 pitch

00:57:00.220 or football

00:57:00.780 pitch

00:57:01.060 but I

00:57:03.220 loved it

00:57:03.680 I mean

00:57:03.880 it's the

00:57:04.340 best thing

00:57:04.860 and probably

00:57:05.140 the best

00:57:05.580 day of my

00:57:05.980 life was

00:57:06.500 going to

00:57:07.240 the Millennium

00:57:08.440 Stadium in

00:57:08.960 Cardiff when

00:57:09.420 we got to

00:57:09.740 the cup

00:57:09.980 final

00:57:10.260 and we

00:57:11.160 lost 1-0 to

00:57:11.980 Arsenal

00:57:12.320 but you'd

00:57:13.520 think from

00:57:14.080 our fans

00:57:14.500 that we'd

00:57:14.800 won

00:57:15.020 we should

00:57:15.880 have won

00:57:16.200 I mean

00:57:16.600 little Brett

00:57:18.360 hit the

00:57:18.940 post

00:57:19.220 Arsenal

00:57:20.960 actually

00:57:21.220 weren't

00:57:21.440 on

00:57:21.580 form

00:57:21.780 that

00:57:21.940 day

00:57:22.080 but they

00:57:22.280 won

00:57:22.480 one

00:57:22.640 so we

00:57:24.680 built it

00:57:25.120 I built

00:57:25.440 the youth

00:57:25.740 academy

00:57:26.100 because we

00:57:26.460 were never

00:57:26.840 going to

00:57:27.060 be able

00:57:27.220 to compete

00:57:27.660 because football

00:57:28.300 is like war

00:57:29.000 you have to

00:57:29.340 have a big

00:57:29.640 economy

00:57:30.020 so the

00:57:30.760 stadium

00:57:31.100 gave us

00:57:31.500 a bigger

00:57:32.040 economy

00:57:32.500 we used to

00:57:35.860 fill St.

00:57:36.400 Mary's

00:57:36.720 which is

00:57:37.040 32,000

00:57:38.180 seats

00:57:39.120 32 and a

00:57:39.820 half

00:57:40.020 because of

00:57:41.580 health and

00:57:41.880 safety

00:57:42.100 we had to

00:57:42.480 separate

00:57:43.320 and we

00:57:48.120 got stronger

00:57:48.620 and stronger

00:57:49.140 you know

00:57:49.900 got to the

00:57:50.760 cup final

00:57:51.300 I hired

00:57:52.560 Clive Wood

00:57:53.020 which I

00:57:53.360 thought was

00:57:53.600 a stroke

00:57:53.920 of genius

00:57:54.360 I got

00:57:55.320 butchered

00:57:55.680 in the

00:57:55.920 media

00:57:56.260 and then

00:57:57.640 bizarrely

00:57:58.660 the fans

00:57:59.620 didn't hold

00:58:01.020 they don't

00:58:02.160 tend to hold

00:58:02.780 their

00:58:03.180 I never

00:58:04.500 like to call

00:58:04.920 them managers

00:58:05.360 I like to

00:58:05.720 call them

00:58:05.920 head coaches

00:58:06.500 because that's

00:58:07.160 ultimately

00:58:07.580 that's the

00:58:08.060 correct

00:58:08.360 that's what

00:58:09.320 they do

00:58:09.700 so I

00:58:11.880 built the

00:58:12.880 academy

00:58:13.180 I love

00:58:13.720 the academy

00:58:14.200 and we

00:58:14.740 got some

00:58:15.200 great

00:58:15.480 young players

00:58:16.100 like Walcott

00:58:16.700 and Bale

00:58:17.140 and Shaw

00:58:17.620 and Oxlade

00:58:18.140 Chamberlain

00:58:18.740 and Lallana

00:58:19.480 and you know

00:58:20.220 it goes on

00:58:20.760 and on

00:58:21.000 so we

00:58:21.320 we trained

00:58:21.880 these people

00:58:22.280 I brought

00:58:22.680 a coach

00:58:23.480 in from

00:58:23.760 France

00:58:24.140 for the

00:58:24.440 academy

00:58:24.880 I brought

00:58:26.140 in procurement

00:58:26.760 we went

00:58:27.280 around finding

00:58:27.880 people from

00:58:28.420 all the best

00:58:29.400 people from

00:58:29.680 clubs

00:58:29.860 so I

00:58:30.100 rather than

00:58:30.720 buying success

00:58:31.560 we were

00:58:31.860 trying to

00:58:32.540 train success

00:58:33.680 but that's

00:58:34.540 not what the

00:58:35.000 industry wants

00:58:35.580 because it's

00:58:35.900 quite corrupt

00:58:36.660 and lots of

00:58:37.600 people make

00:58:37.960 lots of money

00:58:38.460 out of it

00:58:38.840 so you know

00:58:40.080 the big clubs

00:58:40.820 like to

00:58:41.160 dominate it

00:58:41.780 they don't mind

00:58:42.580 the odd cup

00:58:43.420 victory of a

00:58:44.100 little club

00:58:44.580 it's quite

00:58:45.080 romantic

00:58:45.500 but they don't

00:58:46.240 like it

00:58:46.680 if the little

00:58:47.240 clubs start

00:58:47.880 to do too

00:58:48.480 well

00:58:48.780 and that

00:58:50.120 model wouldn't 0.96

00:58:51.020 work for them

00:58:51.660 because actually

00:58:52.680 you've only got

00:58:53.720 11 people on

00:58:54.300 the pitch

00:58:54.700 and if they're

00:58:55.620 trained properly

00:58:56.360 and they're

00:58:56.900 mentally prepared

00:58:57.800 properly

00:58:58.180 there's no

00:58:58.580 reason why

00:58:58.940 they can't

00:58:59.320 roll over

00:58:59.860 people who

00:59:00.880 spend a lot

00:59:01.300 more money

00:59:01.740 but they

00:59:03.080 control it

00:59:03.840 because

00:59:04.420 if your

00:59:05.720 little kids

00:59:07.280 go out

00:59:07.720 onto the

00:59:08.120 pitch

00:59:08.480 at Old

00:59:09.960 Trafford

00:59:10.460 and the

00:59:11.460 previous week

00:59:13.060 it's been

00:59:13.600 about

00:59:14.260 wonderful

00:59:15.160 Manchester United

00:59:16.000 and struggling

00:59:16.760 Southampton

00:59:17.540 a lot of

00:59:18.220 footballers

00:59:18.740 won off

00:59:19.140 the pitch

00:59:19.560 these guys

00:59:20.860 go out

00:59:21.140 on the

00:59:21.340 pitch

00:59:21.540 they don't

00:59:22.200 believe

00:59:22.500 they're

00:59:22.740 going to

00:59:22.860 win

00:59:23.080 so they

00:59:23.840 don't

00:59:24.020 win

00:59:24.240 and

00:59:25.420 you know

00:59:25.860 so the

00:59:26.480 dominance

00:59:26.840 of the

00:59:27.320 big clubs

00:59:28.000 is

00:59:28.600 it's almost

00:59:29.720 a tribal

00:59:30.280 thing

00:59:30.640 you know

00:59:31.000 and you go

00:59:31.560 your children

00:59:32.080 go to a

00:59:32.480 football

00:59:32.720 school

00:59:33.040 so my

00:59:33.420 little kids

00:59:33.800 were the

00:59:34.320 only two

00:59:34.660 in Saints

00:59:35.140 outfits

00:59:35.760 so maybe

00:59:37.700 six or

00:59:38.180 seven

00:59:38.440 Man U

00:59:38.940 five

00:59:39.340 Arsenal

00:59:39.820 some Liverpool

00:59:40.960 and they'd

00:59:41.600 all

00:59:41.760 take the

00:59:43.240 Michael out

00:59:43.720 of the

00:59:44.000 little

00:59:44.380 Southampton

00:59:44.980 lads

00:59:45.340 so that's

00:59:46.320 how it's

00:59:46.780 all

00:59:47.220 again

00:59:47.700 it's

00:59:47.980 collectivism

00:59:48.560 that's

00:59:50.020 what it's

00:59:50.300 become

00:59:50.660 so I

00:59:52.740 loved it

00:59:53.380 and it's

00:59:54.560 a terribly

00:59:55.060 corrupt

00:59:55.400 industry

00:59:55.840 why is

00:59:57.500 it

00:59:57.620 let's

00:59:58.180 go into

00:59:59.040 it

00:59:59.340 how is

01:00:00.220 it

01:00:00.320 how is

01:00:00.980 it

01:00:01.100 corrupt

01:00:01.280 it's 0.98

01:00:01.980 corrupt

01:00:02.380 because

01:00:02.980 it's

01:00:03.400 dominated

01:00:03.920 by the

01:00:04.420 agents

01:00:04.800 I

01:00:07.160 always

01:00:07.460 wanted

01:00:07.800 the

01:00:08.000 Premier

01:00:08.220 League

01:00:08.500 to

01:00:08.700 make

01:00:08.940 it

01:00:09.100 illegal

01:00:09.600 for

01:00:10.280 an

01:00:11.060 agent

01:00:11.340 to

01:00:11.540 collect

01:00:11.780 a

01:00:11.940 fee

01:00:12.060 from

01:00:12.220 both

01:00:12.440 a

01:00:12.560 club

01:00:12.760 and a

01:00:13.060 player

01:00:13.300 and if

01:00:14.860 the

01:00:15.020 player

01:00:15.360 retained

01:00:15.880 the

01:00:16.040 agent

01:00:16.260 he

01:00:16.440 should

01:00:16.640 pay

01:00:16.840 the

01:00:17.000 agent

01:00:17.240 but no

01:00:17.820 the

01:00:18.400 big

01:00:18.560 clubs

01:00:18.760 didn't

01:00:18.940 want

01:00:19.180 that

01:00:19.400 because

01:00:19.580 they

01:00:19.760 could

01:00:19.980 pay

01:00:20.260 the

01:00:20.440 agents

01:00:20.760 far

01:00:21.060 more

01:00:21.460 than

01:00:22.560 the

01:00:22.800 little

01:00:22.940 clubs

01:00:23.240 so they

01:00:23.780 ended

01:00:24.160 up

01:00:24.360 getting

01:00:24.520 the

01:00:24.660 players

01:00:24.860 they

01:00:25.020 wanted

01:00:30.320 trust me

01:00:31.220 it's

01:00:31.360 terribly

01:00:31.660 corrupt 0.97

01:00:32.060 and 0.76

01:00:32.500 it's

01:00:32.980 disappointing

01:00:33.780 because

01:00:34.300 it's

01:00:34.640 such

01:00:35.020 an

01:00:36.620 important

01:00:37.200 game

01:00:39.580 for so

01:00:40.160 many

01:00:40.360 people

01:00:40.620 in the

01:00:40.840 country

01:00:41.100 and

01:00:41.280 you

01:00:41.920 sort

01:00:42.200 of

01:00:42.300 hope

01:00:42.540 it

01:00:42.680 might

01:00:42.880 be

01:00:43.040 honest

01:00:43.460 and

01:00:43.780 you

01:00:43.940 sort

01:00:44.140 of

01:00:44.260 hope

01:00:44.460 it

01:00:44.600 might

01:00:44.760 be

01:00:44.900 structured

01:00:45.280 properly

01:00:45.760 but

01:00:46.720 then

01:00:46.880 you

01:00:47.020 look

01:00:47.240 at

01:00:47.400 the

01:00:47.640 Premier

01:00:47.880 League

01:00:48.160 now

01:00:48.580 I

01:00:48.840 mean

01:00:48.940 it's

01:00:49.260 gone

01:00:49.460 woke

01:00:49.840 I

01:00:50.380 don't

01:00:50.940 understand

01:00:51.540 why

01:00:51.980 you

01:00:52.860 know

01:00:53.020 all

01:00:53.400 this

01:00:53.560 business

01:00:53.960 of

01:00:54.180 taking

01:00:54.600 the

01:00:54.820 knee

01:00:54.980 that

01:00:55.200 shouldn't

01:00:55.540 be

01:00:55.660 for

01:00:55.780 the

01:00:55.920 Premier

01:00:56.160 League

01:01:00.320 Premier

01:01:00.620 League

01:01:00.880 why

01:01:01.400 not

01:01:01.620 Rupert

01:01:01.900 some

01:01:02.100 people

01:01:02.340 might

01:01:02.580 say

01:01:02.800 and

01:01:02.920 again

01:01:03.160 play

01:01:03.440 devil's

01:01:03.840 advocate

01:01:04.140 they

01:01:04.720 might

01:01:05.000 say

01:01:05.300 well

01:01:05.680 look

01:01:06.300 a lot

01:01:07.100 of

01:01:07.240 young

01:01:07.400 people

01:01:07.660 quite

01:01:07.780 apart

01:01:07.960 of

01:01:08.060 the

01:01:08.160 fact

01:01:08.460 that

01:01:08.600 BLM 1.00

01:01:09.020 is

01:01:09.140 a

01:01:09.260 thoroughly

01:01:09.440 bad

01:01:09.840 organisation

01:01:10.400 there's

01:01:11.540 no

01:01:11.700 disagreement

01:01:12.100 here

01:01:12.420 about

01:01:12.640 that

01:01:12.780 but

01:01:12.920 that's

01:01:13.180 not

01:01:13.280 my

01:01:13.420 point

01:01:13.620 my

01:01:13.840 point

01:01:14.080 is

01:01:14.320 that's

01:01:14.960 your

01:01:15.080 personal

01:01:15.480 view

01:01:15.760 and

01:01:15.980 it's

01:01:16.100 my

01:01:16.260 personal

01:01:16.700 view

01:01:16.960 and

01:01:17.160 it's

01:01:17.320 probably

01:01:17.520 France's

01:01:17.940 personal

01:01:18.200 view

01:01:18.400 but

01:01:18.620 forgetting

01:01:19.660 about

01:01:20.040 the

01:01:20.240 organisation

01:01:20.760 a lot

01:01:30.320 young

01:01:30.720 people

01:01:31.020 in

01:01:31.200 particular

01:01:31.560 and

01:01:32.340 what

01:01:32.720 they

01:01:32.960 do

01:01:33.240 and

01:01:33.460 how

01:01:33.640 they

01:01:33.820 conduct

01:01:34.200 themselves

01:01:34.680 as

01:01:35.400 role

01:01:35.660 models

01:01:35.980 for

01:01:36.300 others

01:01:36.840 is

01:01:37.240 important

01:01:37.680 and

01:01:38.440 this

01:01:38.660 is

01:01:38.760 a

01:01:38.880 huge

01:01:39.100 opportunity

01:01:39.580 to

01:01:40.000 address

01:01:40.380 this

01:01:40.620 important

01:01:40.980 social

01:01:41.360 issue

01:01:41.700 I

01:02:00.320 as

01:02:00.680 you

01:02:00.780 know

01:02:00.940 a lot

01:02:01.180 of

01:02:01.320 the

01:02:01.440 black

01:02:01.680 players

01:02:01.960 didn't

01:02:02.200 want

01:02:02.360 to

01:02:02.480 do

01:02:02.620 that

01:02:02.860 because

01:02:03.060 they

01:02:03.220 thought

01:02:03.460 it

01:02:03.620 wasn't

01:02:04.740 right

01:02:04.920 that

01:02:05.020 they

01:02:05.120 should

01:02:05.260 do

01:02:05.460 it

01:02:05.620 so

01:02:06.460 you

01:02:06.780 know

01:02:06.840 there

01:02:06.980 were

01:02:07.200 some

01:02:07.420 people

01:02:07.740 who

01:02:07.940 took

01:02:08.200 objection

01:02:08.620 to

01:02:08.880 it

01:02:09.040 I

01:02:09.880 really

01:02:10.240 I

01:02:10.600 personally

01:02:10.980 think

01:02:11.200 it's

01:02:11.400 not

01:02:11.700 I

01:02:11.800 think

01:02:11.920 they

01:02:12.020 devalued

01:02:12.480 their

01:02:12.640 brand

01:02:12.900 by

01:02:13.080 doing

01:02:13.320 it

01:02:13.440 I

01:02:13.540 don't

01:02:13.820 think

01:02:14.000 it's

01:02:14.180 up

01:02:14.340 to

01:02:14.440 them

01:02:14.560 I

01:02:14.660 think

01:02:14.800 quite

01:02:14.980 apart

01:02:15.180 from

01:02:15.300 the fact

01:02:15.460 BLM 1.00

01:02:16.000 is

01:02:16.120 a bad

01:02:16.520 organisation

01:02:17.060 anyway

01:02:17.500 and

01:02:19.040 I

01:02:19.180 don't

01:02:19.400 think

01:02:19.580 this

01:02:19.760 country

01:02:20.080 is 0.99

01:02:20.280 racist

01:02:20.840 I

01:02:21.060 don't

01:02:21.240 think

01:02:21.400 we

01:02:21.520 need

01:02:21.700 that

01:02:21.860 to

01:02:22.000 be

01:02:22.220 underlined

01:02:23.020 so

01:02:23.260 therefore

01:02:23.740 I

01:02:24.820 don't

01:02:25.180 think

01:02:25.380 that

01:02:25.560 should

01:02:25.760 be 0.88

01:02:26.080 shoved

01:02:26.640 down

01:02:26.920 people's 0.52

01:02:27.340 throats

01:02:27.660 it's

01:02:27.820 a bit

01:02:28.020 like

01:02:28.180 being

01:02:28.340 told

01:02:28.560 you've

01:02:28.760 got

01:02:28.900 to

01:02:29.060 wear

01:02:29.220 a

01:02:29.360 mask

01:02:29.680 or

01:02:29.860 you've

01:02:30.060 got

01:02:30.280 to

01:02:30.520 have

01:02:30.880 a

01:02:31.020 vaccine

01:02:31.400 passport

01:02:31.840 it's

01:02:32.640 all

01:02:32.840 part

01:02:33.200 of

01:02:33.340 this

01:02:33.520 prescriptive

01:02:34.240 society

01:02:34.800 that

01:02:35.000 has

01:02:35.720 its

01:02:35.920 roots

01:02:36.260 in

01:02:36.520 health

01:02:36.940 and

01:02:37.200 safety

01:02:37.600 and

01:02:37.820 all

01:02:37.960 the

01:02:38.060 other

01:02:38.220 stuff

01:02:38.520 I

01:02:47.500 comes

01:02:48.040 from

01:02:48.280 the

01:02:48.420 health

01:02:48.920 and

01:02:49.100 safety

01:02:49.440 and

01:02:49.680 in

01:02:50.460 the

01:02:50.580 end

01:02:51.100 you

01:02:51.720 and

01:02:51.860 I

01:02:51.980 are

01:02:52.080 responsible

01:02:52.480 for

01:02:52.720 our

01:02:52.880 own

01:02:52.900 health

01:02:53.120 and

01:02:53.280 safety

01:02:53.560 that's

01:02:54.100 how

01:02:54.940 it

01:02:55.060 always

01:02:55.280 used

01:02:55.500 to

01:02:55.640 be

01:02:55.780 and

01:02:55.920 if

01:02:56.040 you

01:02:56.160 aren't

01:02:56.380 clever

01:02:56.620 enough

01:02:56.840 if

01:02:57.120 you're

01:02:57.260 too 1.00

01:02:57.460 stupid 1.00

01:02:57.840 to 1.00

01:02:58.020 look

01:02:58.160 after

01:02:58.380 yourself

01:02:58.680 in

01:02:58.820 the

01:02:58.900 end

01:02:59.020 you're

01:02:59.140 going

01:02:59.180 to

01:02:59.220 get

01:02:59.340 hurt

01:02:59.620 so

01:03:00.760 it's

01:03:01.080 all

01:03:01.260 about

01:03:01.520 individual

01:03:02.000 empowerment

01:03:02.580 and

01:03:02.980 it's

01:03:03.180 about

01:03:03.400 individual

01:03:03.940 decision

01:03:04.320 making

01:03:04.640 that's

01:03:05.100 what

01:03:05.240 we've

01:03:05.480 got

01:03:05.700 to

01:03:05.900 release

01:03:06.240 here

01:03:06.460 we've

01:03:07.240 got

01:03:17.500 then

01:03:18.860 you'll

01:03:19.140 destroy

01:03:19.580 this

01:03:19.880 innate

01:03:20.240 creativity

01:03:21.360 and

01:03:21.580 entrepreneurialism

01:03:22.280 we've

01:03:22.920 got

01:03:23.140 to

01:03:23.540 allow

01:03:24.560 the

01:03:24.760 libertarian

01:03:25.220 agenda

01:03:25.580 to

01:03:26.000 remain

01:03:27.640 here

01:03:27.960 collectivism

01:03:30.000 mustn't

01:03:30.460 be allowed

01:03:30.840 to

01:03:31.020 succeed

01:03:31.340 on

01:03:32.180 that

01:03:32.360 happy

01:03:32.640 note

01:03:32.860 our

01:03:33.020 time

01:03:33.260 is

01:03:33.400 up

01:03:33.560 thank

01:03:33.800 you

01:03:33.920 so

01:03:34.120 much

01:03:34.320 for

01:03:34.540 coming

01:03:34.800 in

01:03:34.980 we

01:03:35.120 have

01:03:35.380 as

01:03:35.560 always

01:03:35.800 just

01:03:36.040 one

01:03:36.280 more

01:03:36.520 question

01:03:36.860 for

01:03:37.040 you

01:03:37.140 before

01:03:37.360 we

01:03:37.540 do

01:03:37.680 our

01:03:37.920 special

01:03:38.240 questions

01:03:38.620 for

01:03:38.860 our

01:03:39.040 locals

01:03:39.320 only

01:03:39.720 supporters

01:03:40.200 so

01:03:40.440 here

01:03:40.560 we

01:03:40.660 go

01:03:40.840 and

01:03:41.440 the

01:03:41.560 last

01:03:41.760 question

01:03:42.080 is

01:03:42.220 always

01:03:42.400 what's

01:03:42.620 the

01:03:47.500 farming

01:03:48.020 tell

01:03:49.980 us

01:03:50.100 more

01:03:50.320 well

01:03:51.100 farming

01:03:51.860 is

01:03:52.200 an

01:03:52.420 incredibly

01:03:52.760 important

01:03:53.200 part

01:03:53.660 of

01:03:54.460 the

01:03:54.820 country

01:03:55.140 we

01:03:55.380 have

01:03:55.760 a

01:03:55.900 great

01:03:56.360 farming

01:03:56.720 industry

01:03:57.120 there

01:03:58.460 aren't

01:03:58.660 enough

01:03:58.880 young

01:03:59.080 people

01:03:59.300 going

01:03:59.520 into

01:03:59.740 it

01:03:59.900 there's

01:04:00.260 not

01:04:00.520 enough

01:04:00.780 encouragement

01:04:01.280 to

01:04:02.060 produce

01:04:02.500 our

01:04:02.700 own

01:04:02.860 food

01:04:03.100 here

01:04:03.340 food

01:04:04.040 security

01:04:04.440 is

01:04:04.600 incredibly

01:04:04.940 important

01:04:05.420 we're

01:04:06.920 an

01:04:07.040 island

01:04:07.340 as

01:04:07.720 we've

01:04:07.940 seen

01:04:08.180 with

01:04:08.420 gas

01:04:08.920 you

01:04:09.200 know

01:04:09.300 if

01:04:09.460 you

01:04:09.880 don't

01:04:10.680 make

01:04:10.860 the

01:04:10.980 use

01:04:11.160 of

01:04:11.820 your

01:04:11.980 own

01:04:12.300 innate

01:04:12.980 reserves

01:04:13.620 and

01:04:14.060 resources

01:04:14.500 you end

01:04:14.960 up

01:04:15.100 relying

01:04:15.420 on

01:04:15.700 Mr.

01:04:16.140 Putin

01:04:16.480 and

01:04:16.680 Russia

01:04:16.920 for

01:04:17.100 your

01:04:17.260 gas

01:04:17.600 so

01:04:18.860 again

01:04:19.180 a bit

01:04:19.480 like

01:04:19.820 the

01:04:20.020 supply

01:04:21.120 of

01:04:21.420 gas

01:04:21.780 farming

01:04:22.260 needs

01:04:22.680 more

01:04:23.520 attention

01:04:23.940 more

01:04:24.240 planning

01:04:24.640 more

01:04:24.980 support

01:04:25.500 and

01:04:26.260 British

01:04:26.580 farming

01:04:26.960 is

01:04:27.740 one

01:04:27.980 of

01:04:28.100 our

01:04:28.380 most

01:04:29.140 successful

01:04:29.700 industries

01:04:31.160 which

01:04:31.600 is

01:04:32.240 often

01:04:32.480 overlooked

01:04:32.860 that

01:04:34.740 is

01:04:35.020 very

01:04:35.480 interesting

01:04:36.040 in fact

01:04:36.780 we're

01:04:37.040 currently

01:04:37.300 looking

01:04:37.620 at

01:04:37.780 a few

01:04:38.100 guests

01:04:38.380 to

01:04:38.520 talk

01:04:39.040 to

01:04:39.160 us

01:04:39.260 about

01:04:39.460 farming

01:04:39.760 so

01:04:39.940 thank

01:04:40.180 you

01:04:40.340 Rupert

01:04:40.640 if

01:04:40.980 people

01:04:41.200 want

01:04:41.340 to

01:04:41.420 find

01:04:41.620 you

01:04:41.740 online

01:04:42.080 where

01:04:42.300 is

01:04:42.420 the

01:04:42.520 best

01:04:42.700 place

01:04:42.960 to

01:04:43.100 do

01:04:43.260 that

01:04:46.140 Twitter

01:04:46.500 and

01:04:47.860 I'm

01:04:48.180 at

01:04:48.460 Rupert

01:04:48.780 Lowe

01:04:48.960 10

01:04:49.320 because

01:04:49.660 when

01:04:49.940 I

01:04:50.080 went

01:04:50.240 on

01:04:50.420 to

01:04:50.540 Twitter

01:04:50.860 at

01:04:51.220 Nigel

01:04:51.560 Farage's

01:04:52.060 insistence

01:04:52.560 when I

01:04:52.820 stood

01:04:52.960 for

01:04:53.100 the

01:04:53.200 Brexit

01:04:53.460 party

01:04:53.840 I

01:04:54.060 found

01:04:54.300 there

01:04:54.440 were

01:04:54.540 nine

01:04:54.880 Saints

01:04:55.220 fans

01:04:55.520 who

01:04:55.700 plagiarized

01:04:56.460 my

01:04:56.680 Twitter

01:04:57.000 very

01:04:59.980 good

01:05:00.380 all right

01:05:01.260 well thank

01:05:01.680 you so much

01:05:02.180 for coming

01:05:02.540 on and

01:05:03.060 thank you

01:05:03.580 all for

01:05:04.060 watching

01:05:04.480 and listening

01:05:04.900 we'll see

01:05:05.400 you very

01:05:05.860 soon

01:05:06.160 with another

01:05:06.680 brilliant

01:05:07.000 episode

01:05:07.380 like this

01:05:07.860 one

01:05:08.080 or

01:05:08.780 all

01:05:08.980 show

01:05:09.220 all of

01:05:09.880 them

01:05:10.000 go out

01:05:10.340 at

01:05:10.520 7pm

01:05:11.000 UK

01:05:11.200 time

01:05:11.540 and

01:05:11.780 for

01:05:11.880 those

01:05:12.080 of

01:05:12.220 you

01:05:12.320 who

01:05:12.460 like

01:05:12.620 your

01:05:12.760 trigonometry

01:05:13.300 on the

01:05:13.840 go

01:05:14.040 it's

01:05:14.300 also

01:05:14.560 available

01:05:14.940 as a

01:05:15.300 podcast

01:05:15.820 take

01:05:16.500 care

01:05:16.780 and

01:05:17.040 see

01:05:17.220 you

01:05:17.380 soon

01:05:17.560 guys

01:05:17.940 so

01:05:20.340 Mandarick

01:05:20.820 had sent

01:05:21.220 me a

01:05:21.500 rotting

01:05:21.920 duck

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TRIGGERnometry - March 14, 2022

Rupert Lowe：＂Our Leaders Have No Idea What They're Doing＂

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