TRIGGERnometry - April 02, 2020


Scott Adams： ＂2020 Election Could be Biggest Blowout in History＂


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Dilbert creator Scott Adams joins us to talk about how he went from being a corporate cubicle dweller to becoming one of the most influential people in the world, and why he thinks Donald Trump should win the 2020 election.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.
00:00:08.060 I'm Constantine Kishin.
00:00:09.720 And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
00:00:16.260 Our brilliant guest this week is the creator of Dilbert, who's now reinvented himself about
00:00:20.920 three or four years ago when he predicted that Donald Trump would be elected based on
00:00:25.180 what he described as his skill set. And we're going to delve into that and a lot more with
00:00:29.660 brilliant Scott Adams. Scott, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. It's great
00:00:34.700 to have you here. Listen, before we get into the interview, you have a huge audience obviously in
00:00:39.680 the United States, but not many people will, or fewer at least, people will know who you are
00:00:43.840 over here in the UK. So do us a favor, tell us a little bit about how you are, where you are today.
00:00:50.360 What's been your journey through life? Well, I started out as a corporate cubicle dweller and
00:00:57.340 I invented the Dilbert cartoon strip, which does, by the way, run in some papers in Great
00:01:03.740 Britain.
00:01:04.600 I don't know which one's off the top of my head.
00:01:07.200 But of course, it's on the internet at Dilbert.com.
00:01:09.920 And so it's in 2,000 newspapers.
00:01:12.700 I expect by next month, it'll be in 100 newspapers, because that's probably all that will be left
00:01:18.600 after we're done with this ugliness.
00:01:21.000 and I pivoted as you said to talking about persuasion because I have a background as a
00:01:29.620 trained hypnotist and I've been studying persuasion and all its forms for decades as part of my
00:01:34.500 my job as a writer it's it's a good skill to add to your writing talent and so I started talking
00:01:42.020 about Donald Trump and his skill for persuasion and that sort of dragged me into the larger
00:01:48.800 political conversation where i spend most of my time now yeah and you do a daily kind of coffee
00:01:54.580 with scott adams stream uh where you talk and analyze about many of the things that are happening
00:01:59.360 i really recommend people check that out go ahead francis no and i was gonna say that uh what's
00:02:04.300 very very interesting is i've watched a lot of your interviews scott and um when you came out
00:02:09.640 and said you know trump has very a particular set of skills which are very very useful to him
00:02:14.820 all of a sudden people misinterpreted that as you being in support of trump in particular people on
00:02:21.740 the left well yeah for your audience i i identify um personally i'm socially lefter than the left
00:02:31.300 you can get you know in our country the left would say you know you should let me turn off my phone
00:02:36.200 you should, uh, legalize marijuana. And I say, yes. And, uh,
00:02:42.920 mushrooms and maybe look at LSD.
00:02:45.720 So I'm lefter than our left when it comes to things like that. Um, you know,
00:02:50.800 gay marriage, sure. Why didn't we do that a long time ago? But, uh, 0.86
00:02:54.940 when it comes to money and borders and politics, I favor whatever works.
00:03:00.700 So if somebody can give me a good argument for why one plan works,
00:03:04.100 I don't care where it came from.
00:03:06.200 And that's interesting. But it's also not only that, it's the people on the left.
00:03:10.060 And by the way, I consider myself to be on the left. I'm a former school teacher.
00:03:13.660 People's reaction to you on the left that automatically, if you say Trump has any sorts of qualities, which of course he does,
00:03:22.240 that automatically means you're in favor of him and then you're discarded from the tribe.
00:03:27.080 Yeah. Yeah. We're very tribal over here. And I've tried to keep that distinction, you know, that I'm talking about his skill set.
00:03:33.620 but that only goes so far. Just to be clear, once someone is the president, be it Obama,
00:03:42.840 be it Trump, I always support the president. I mean, you'd have to do something pretty,
00:03:47.260 pretty bad to lose my support once you have the job, because I tend to support the leader in
00:03:53.460 those conditions, especially now in the middle of a global crisis. So if he asked me, do I support
00:03:59.120 the president? Unambiguously, yes. Now, that doesn't mean that everything he does is going to
00:04:04.000 be great in my mind. I had lots of criticisms about the beginning of the coronavirus stuff.
00:04:11.520 But in general, yes, I support him and will support him. And if he's replaced by somebody
00:04:16.220 else, I'm going to support that person too. That's such an American approach. In the UK,
00:04:19.900 we have exactly the same, but the other way around. The moment someone becomes
00:04:23.880 the leader, we immediately stop supporting them. That's how it seems to work.
00:04:29.120 Well, I separate supporting from whether I criticize or not.
00:04:32.720 I'm never going to turn off criticism, but I can still support the president.
00:04:36.240 And actually, you have even in your recent videos when Donald Trump made the comment about, you know, I don't want the cruise ship to land in the U.S. because that would affect my numbers.
00:04:45.880 You were extremely critical of him at the time.
00:04:48.000 So that's one of the reasons I think a lot of people enjoy your stuff, because you're very balanced and you maintain a kind of neutrality to it.
00:04:55.460 But before we get into the coronavirus, because we want to talk to you about that at length, just for those people who may not be familiar with you, going back to the prediction of Trump's election and everything we've seen since, what were the skills that you as a hypnotist, as a persuasion expert saw in him that gave you that confidence, which you had very early on, way before most people, that this was going to happen?
00:05:19.660 Yeah, a lot of the things that his biggest critics were complaining about and saying, well, here's an example of why he's incompetent or stupid or he's lost or whatever, were also the tools of persuasion.
00:05:32.460 So his simplicity, for example, his repetition of simple things, his use of visual persuasion, I don't need to improve border security, I'm going to build a wall. 0.65
00:05:44.060 It's a big, beautiful wall, and it's going to have a door in it.
00:05:47.380 And everybody gets to visualize their own wall, which is classic hypnosis technique.
00:05:53.200 Had he said it's going to be a big brick wall or specified at that level, then people would
00:05:58.740 say, I don't know, I'm not seeing a brick.
00:06:01.540 And then they'd have something to argue with.
00:06:03.700 So the perfect, perfect sweet spot for persuasion is that it's a wall, but I'm not going to
00:06:10.080 tell you what that looks like.
00:06:11.480 And then you imagine your own wall.
00:06:12.880 so he does persuasion um the the top things the best so if you were going to persuade somebody to
00:06:20.940 do something fear would be the number one best thing you could do uh beyond that identity so
00:06:27.380 he's got the fear of you know anything coming in from the outside he's got the identity make
00:06:32.060 america great again he's got the best slogan probably of all time even though i guess reagan
00:06:38.460 you know, you could give him credit for using it as well. But I don't think anybody used it as well
00:06:44.160 as this president, you know, from the hat to the slogan to the digital persuasion that you see now
00:06:51.660 that's just so world-class. And he was completely transparent about his strategy. I mean, he told
00:07:00.120 people in advance, watch what I do. I'm going to take all the oxygen out of the room and there'll 0.97
00:07:05.280 be nothing left. And that's what he did. He just starved everybody of oxygen. It was about the time
00:07:10.420 that he gave Jeb Bush, his famous now nickname, Low Energy Jeb. And that was the moment I said,
00:07:17.480 it's over. You just found your president. Because most people said, well, that's funny and
00:07:23.080 nonstandard, and he's just insulting somebody. And at the time, I was yelling as loud as I can.
00:07:28.200 no no no this is not normal what you saw is one of the best pieces of persuasion
00:07:35.600 it's going to go down in history it's just one of the best and i could see it immediately because
00:07:40.900 i could see that every day from that point on you would never see jeb bush the same you know before
00:07:46.980 that i thought you know there's a calm cool experienced executive that's exactly the kind
00:07:53.400 person I want in an emergency. Calm, cool. And then as soon as Trump said he's low energy,
00:08:00.080 that's all I could see. I'd say, you know, he has got a low energy compared to Trump. And then
00:08:05.820 contrast is another big principle. And Trump uses that so well. Another thing he does is
00:08:12.060 he goes really hard at his critics, no matter what. And he goes really hard in the good way
00:08:19.040 to his friends, no matter who they are. So you could be Kim Jong-un, you could be a Democrat,
00:08:24.780 it doesn't matter. If you say something nice about this president, he's going to call you out in
00:08:29.720 public, praise you, you know, do you a favor. So that's another trick of persuasion. I first saw
00:08:36.400 this when I was working my corporate job. The character who became the Alice character in my
00:08:41.660 comic strip, she was the first one who showed that to me. She would go really hard at the people that 1.00
00:08:47.520 were in her way. She'd talk to their boss, tell them they should get fired. I mean,
00:08:51.780 she would be brutal. But if you did her a favor, she would buy you flowers and she would go talk 0.99
00:08:58.360 to your boss and say, you know, you've really got a superstar here. You should think about
00:09:02.160 promoting this person. Now, if you only did one or the other of those, that would be good. You
00:09:08.320 know, threatening people will get you some action. Complimenting people gets you some action. But
00:09:13.240 when you become famous for those extremes, as she did,
00:09:18.220 she became the most effective person in the company because that people would 0.95
00:09:21.980 look at her and say, well, I got a choice.
00:09:23.900 I have all these things I could do today.
00:09:26.380 I can either do something for,
00:09:28.060 for this person and I'll get a compliment and maybe a raise.
00:09:31.400 And if I don't, I'm in trouble.
00:09:34.620 So she effectively started managing, you know,
00:09:38.440 even things the managers weren't managing because she would do the same thing
00:09:41.460 to her bosses.
00:09:42.920 She would make sure her boss got a compliment to her boss's boss
00:09:48.100 and vice versa if it didn't work out.
00:09:50.900 So that's the Trump technique.
00:09:52.720 He goes hard in both directions and makes you know it.
00:09:56.580 So it's about the next time.
00:09:58.640 It's not even about the current time.
00:10:00.020 It's about the next time people say, okay,
00:10:02.540 I know which side to be on if I want a good day.
00:10:05.580 That's really interesting.
00:10:07.000 And we're both comedians.
00:10:09.000 And one thing that I found fascinating about Trump is that he's a disruptor.
00:10:13.900 When you see him on these presidential debates, like you say, he's playing a different game.
00:10:20.020 He's approaching it like a stand-up comic in that he's not that motivated by counteracting what somebody is saying, but it's almost like a personal attack, like a roast comic would do.
00:10:30.600 yeah one of his advantages superpowers is that he doesn't recognize boundaries
00:10:39.080 and now everybody's god is going to explain how that's a positive here we go
00:10:46.860 now it goes without saying that depending on the context
00:10:51.480 it could be very negative but in the context of having a leader you say to yourself um you
00:11:00.580 you know, is he willing to do the hard stuff? So the first evidence of that was when very early
00:11:06.600 on, people said, would you meet with Kim Jong-un? And he said, sure. Sure, I'll meet with him. I'll
00:11:14.060 meet with anybody. And then he doesn't. Likewise, you know, his personal insults, well, you're not
00:11:20.960 really supposed to do that. But did it work? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it worked. So if there's a
00:11:27.540 boundary that's you know not that well defined and he can push through it and it might work
00:11:32.940 you can count on him to do it there's there's no boundary he's not willing to push through
00:11:38.440 if there's something on the other side that looks worthwhile now so i was gonna say scott just to
00:11:44.580 say but isn't it as well the comedic factor gives you likability like you can be a complete so-and-so
00:11:50.840 but if you're funny people go yeah yeah yeah i've i've talked about that phenomenon for years
00:11:57.360 you know, because in my work, I'll do something that's a little edgy. And the rule is, and I know
00:12:04.420 you'll both back me up on this, the funnier it is, the more you can get away with. And let's call
00:12:10.660 this the Dave Chappelle effect. Yeah. Dave Chappelle can simply do a special and say things
00:12:16.980 that other people can't say, not because they are true, but because he does it so well, you say,
00:12:22.780 okay, that's so funny that I get that that's the point of it. The point of it is to be funny.
00:12:28.640 But if you're not funny enough, people will think the point is the point. And then you just look
00:12:34.000 like a jerk. So yeah, Trump is funny enough. He can get away with things that other people just 1.00
00:12:39.380 can't. All right. Well, moving on from the funny, Scott, let's talk about the coronavirus situation
00:12:44.520 because it's obviously a huge issue right now. And there's been a lot of criticisms of the way
00:12:51.240 that Donald Trump has handled it. You've criticized him on some aspects, even though,
00:12:55.440 generally speaking, I think, as you said, you support most of what he's doing. So, first of all,
00:13:01.700 on the Trump specifically, what do you make of the way that he has handled it and the way that
00:13:06.480 he is handling it? Well, first, let me say that every criticism of anybody who's a leader in
00:13:13.720 this field, or even citizens or just pundits, any criticism that says you should have done
00:13:19.620 something sooner just makes me crazy. Because you know what else you should have done sooner?
00:13:26.480 Everything good. Everything in the world that's good absolutely should have, and in almost every
00:13:33.480 case, could have been done sooner. There's no exception to that. So when somebody says Trump
00:13:38.480 should have done this or that sooner, yeah, you know who else should have done something sooner?
00:13:43.660 you me me maybe i should have gone out and gotten that again the mask a little sooner maybe i should
00:13:50.940 have you know bought my toilet paper a little sooner maybe i should have spoken out a little
00:13:55.540 bit sooner maybe i should have protected my neighbor a little bit sooner we're all guilty
00:14:00.260 of not being soon enough so i reject every didn't happen soon enough now that's it um and by the way
00:14:07.700 the other countries didn't prepare any better than the united states if they did i'd say well
00:14:13.040 you know all the other countries did it you know that would be a valid criticism but that's just
00:14:18.200 not the case so what he did right i'd say he acted very quickly on closing the china travel
00:14:25.460 which really told the country what this was i mean that that was a statement that said this is no
00:14:31.800 joke i mean we're closing the the airports from china so that was good and the european closure
00:14:38.080 I thought, again, that was the right move.
00:14:41.120 I think that he has demonstrated that he's listening to the experts.
00:14:44.780 He does it right in public.
00:14:45.940 You see him standing next to him.
00:14:47.900 They tell the story of, and again, this is visual persuasion.
00:14:51.700 Think how visual this is.
00:14:52.980 You heard this story that, you know, the two top medical experts, Fauci and Brooks, came
00:14:59.440 in and they literally leaned, this is how the story was told, leaned over the table,
00:15:03.960 you know, the desk and the Oval Office.
00:15:06.800 And you could just see this picture and showed him the graphs and the statistics of how many people would be dead if he doesn't do what they were wanting him to do.
00:15:15.460 And then he decided to do it.
00:15:17.340 And then he told the world and he told us the whole process.
00:15:20.460 And we saw the whole thought process.
00:15:22.660 We saw him totally embracing the view that we just got to get back to work because the outcome could be bad.
00:15:31.900 You saw him really embracing that, and then you saw the whole transition of listening to the experts, seeing the numbers in the scariest form, possibly 2 million people dead, and then you see him changing his mind.
00:15:44.380 I've got to say, there's nothing, there's nothing that makes me more confident in the leader than watching them change their mind, but watching the whole trail.
00:15:54.100 You know, if you didn't know why, well, then you got some questions.
00:15:56.600 But if you watch the whole trail, and we're playing along like this is a, this is not a spectator sport. This is really the first time everybody's involved. That gives me confidence. And I think that he's shown a willingness to make hard decisions that would not be popular. He's shown that he's following the experts.
00:16:18.060 And he's shown very clearly that he's valuing every single life as equal to every other life,
00:16:24.640 which is exactly what you want your leader to say.
00:16:27.600 Even if they have to make tough decisions later, and you know they do,
00:16:31.680 he's going to make decisions that he knows will, you know, these people will die,
00:16:36.000 these people will live, it's just the nature of the job, but he's willing to do that.
00:16:40.460 And I think he's showing strength.
00:16:42.520 and uh the communication that we're getting is really exceptional um he's over communicating
00:16:49.520 which is the only way to do it you know you need to over communicate you got to err on that side
00:16:55.000 and he's doing it so i'll give him pretty pretty high marks now if you want to hear some criticisms
00:17:02.300 and i knew you do you know the the cdc over here and and the world health organization and even our
00:17:12.020 surgeon general, have all just lied to our faces for a few weeks, telling us that masks would not
00:17:19.840 be helpful for the common person and that they should be reserved. Now, everybody who heard that
00:17:25.140 knew that was a lie. Maybe not right off the bat, but I think the day I heard it, I said,
00:17:32.360 well, that's clearly a lie. If the problem is stuff coming out of people's mouths and landing
00:17:37.680 on things and infecting them, if you put a barrier over it, even if it's not the best barrier in the
00:17:44.000 world, clearly stuff coming out of your mouth is going to be lessened. I mean, any idiot would 0.99
00:17:49.000 know that. And at this point, you know, the country has wised up. You can see that even the news 1.00
00:17:53.880 people say, nope, that would disagree with every legitimate study. I think they're referencing
00:18:01.240 one study that seemed to be on their side or something. But that's just a lie. Now, I think
00:18:06.300 the intention of the lie was because of supply. You know, they don't want people hoarding the
00:18:11.420 masks and a similar thing with the hydroxychloroquine. I think we'll find out that that
00:18:17.760 was played down because they didn't want people to hoard it. Now that's okay, but it's not my
00:18:23.540 preference. My preference would be it's an emergency. It's all hands on board. If I see you wearing a
00:18:30.360 mask in public while our doctors don't have one, somebody's going to talk to you. It might be your
00:18:36.500 neighbor. I mean, nobody's going to beat you up, but somebody's going to ask you, why are you
00:18:40.020 wearing an N95 mask if we know the hospital doesn't have enough? Where'd you get yours?
00:18:45.160 So I think he could have told us the truth, meaning the president, in the sense that he
00:18:50.120 was letting the experts lie to us. He had to know. He had to know they were lying. So that's on his
00:18:57.500 permanent record you know you can't change that that's something that i think was it was a judgment
00:19:02.660 call that maybe protecting the supply was more important than being that honest at that moment
00:19:09.460 maybe it just wasn't my choice yeah well i'm gonna ask you a question scott and forgive me if i don't
00:19:15.940 know all the intricacies of american politics and correct me if i'm wrong but isn't part of the
00:19:21.600 difficulty of trump's situation in that he's not like a leader of say boris johnson the uk
00:19:26.940 where he's essentially sort of governing over, you know, the United Kingdom,
00:19:31.180 he implements his policies, everybody follows them, and so on and so forth.
00:19:35.400 Whereas in the United States, can he implement his policies,
00:19:39.020 but then Texas choose to do something slightly different, you know, Alabama,
00:19:44.300 all these other states, or do they all directly have to adhere to what he's saying
00:19:48.520 and what the American Medical Council is saying?
00:19:51.320 Well, there's the legal answer, and then there's the practical answer.
00:19:54.640 The legal answer, of course, is his duties are well described and the states have a lot of power and Congress has a lot of power, etc.
00:20:02.320 But if you're an American and you realize that you're in an emergency, as we all do, everybody recognizes that, the president just sort of automatically takes on superpowers, even if they're not actually anywhere.
00:20:18.560 In other words, he can declare an emergency, he can do things, he can recommend things.
00:20:24.640 But I think collectively that all the citizens are on board with the fact that it's better just to have a strong leader who's got good advisors making decisions.
00:20:35.960 And I think people are going to be really flexible about the details of the law in an emergency.
00:20:41.120 You know, as soon as the emergency is over, of course, we'll argue about all the details.
00:20:45.360 But to your, and I think I can answer this the best way.
00:20:49.780 if there was something that had to be done and the president wanted it to be
00:20:54.820 done in the context of an emergency, he would make it happen one way or another.
00:20:59.920 So there's nothing that stops the president from getting what needs to be
00:21:03.520 done.
00:21:03.920 As long as the public also knows what it is and agrees it needs to be done.
00:21:08.420 So he could order, order tomorrow something that is completely illegal.
00:21:12.380 I don't know.
00:21:13.500 Close the churches.
00:21:14.460 People have said, people have said that would be illegal because of,
00:21:17.840 you know, church and state,
00:21:18.880 But he could close the churches. And then next year, we'll argue whether it was legal. But yeah, he could close the churches. He could do anything he wants, as long as it makes sense. And we're all watching and it's transparent, wide powers in a practical sense.
00:21:33.020 All right. Well, here's a multi-trillion dollar question, Scott, because from watching the democratic debates from, you know, admittedly quite far away, but watching the way that the left has descended into this kind of everyone's racist, everyone's sex, like all this stuff that we see partially probably coming over from you guys to us as well.
00:21:54.960 By the way, thank you for that. We appreciate it.
00:21:57.680 Yes. Spreading that crap around the world. 1.00
00:22:01.700 but watching the democratic debates clearly they've settled on joe biden as the guy they're 0.99
00:22:07.720 going to go with um you know it was looking no am i wrong about that well um yes and no numerically
00:22:17.040 he's got a big lead uh the common wisdom says yes but if you talk to anybody who's actually
00:22:24.060 got any power any democrat privately they'll say we got to do something yeah
00:22:29.480 we got to do something and nobody even needs to finish the sentence it's so obvious to everyone
00:22:37.580 that if you say yeah joe biden we're gonna have to do something everybody knows what that means
00:22:42.160 sure yeah you know and i'm i'm walking this fine balance i think i might have been probably one of
00:22:50.660 the first people to say publicly hey there's something wrong with that guy you know you
00:22:54.460 better watch that that's real that's like medical that's a problem you know because we don't like
00:22:59.160 to say that in public, but I didn't feel the need to hold back on that. And then I reached the point
00:23:05.240 where I thought, okay, now it's just, it looks like elder abuse. I mean, actually, not joking.
00:23:11.260 It looks like elder abuse. And it just seemed sad. And I thought, maybe we just need to give
00:23:16.340 the people who are close to him time to do what needs to be done. And everybody knows what needs
00:23:21.960 to be done. It doesn't even have to be stated. And I waited and I waited and the weeks go by
00:23:27.220 And he's clearly declining right in front of us.
00:23:29.860 I mean, it's just obvious that the rate of decline is pretty fast right now.
00:23:33.700 And I can't hold back anymore.
00:23:36.940 Like, I can't wait for somebody else to make the decision because I don't feel like the
00:23:41.140 country cannot have a backup plan.
00:23:43.860 Because right now, you know, the backup plan, if the president's in office is the vice president
00:23:48.660 and our vice president is pretty strong, pretty solid guy.
00:23:52.000 That's fine.
00:23:53.060 But what if it happens between, you know, now and the election?
00:23:55.800 You know, what if our president gets taken off the field? He could get he could get COVID. You know, he could anything. He's a certain age. Don't we need at least the other party to have somebody who could function? I mean, it's a pretty I'm pretty permissive about who it is. It's not even the party I would necessarily be voting for. But they need somebody who's like the spare tire there. And they don't have that. And I think the country is really exposed.
00:24:23.700 And even the president said it himself.
00:24:25.440 The president said he didn't think Biden was capable and would prefer to run against the governor of New York,
00:24:31.480 who at the moment has a 90 degree approval rating and would actually make a great president, in my opinion.
00:24:37.200 Right. Well, this is my point irrespective.
00:24:39.660 I mean, yes, Joe Biden, I think I completely share your analysis from what I've seen, you know, just cognitively.
00:24:45.380 he's losing his touch, which is a pity to say about a diligent public servant, whatever you
00:24:51.740 may think about his policies. But my point more broadly was, irrespective actually of who the
00:24:57.960 Democrats were going to nominate, it was looking very much like the economy was booming, everything
00:25:02.080 was going great, Donald Trump was going to get re-elected. That's what I saw. I think that's
00:25:06.940 what you saw. How do you think this current situation changes that, if at all? Do you think
00:25:14.160 this this everything's up for grabs now or do you think he's still going to win well i'll tell you
00:25:19.460 what i said three months ago and and three years ago which is uh you can make a prediction but
00:25:25.200 then you have to add unless something big changes right and then and then and then the thing i add
00:25:33.540 after unless something big changes and something big will change like it's the only thing that's
00:25:38.920 guaranteed is something big was going to happen. And here we are. I wouldn't be surprised if three
00:25:44.200 or four or 10 more big things happened before November. So you can't really make a prediction.
00:25:48.780 However, if everything stayed the same as it is now, and let's say we get to the other side of
00:25:54.920 this, roughly the way people think we will, economy takes the hit, but we survive. The only
00:26:01.880 thing I can see is a complete blowout. I think it's going to be one of the greatest, if nothing
00:26:07.340 changed and it will it would probably be the all-time greatest blowout because if he runs
00:26:17.180 against biden and he's coming off of dealing with emergencies successfully even if people people are
00:26:23.180 you know arguing about the details and the timing it's going to look successful because every
00:26:28.680 country will probably succeed you know it's just hard um i don't know how it's anything but the
00:26:34.320 biggest blowout in the history of politics oh really so you don't think that with this
00:26:41.200 health crisis it will sharpen the americans minds the average american to be like look we need
00:26:46.700 socialized health care therefore we need to vote democrat therefore we need to take our policies
00:26:51.980 in a more sort of socialist direction but but here's the funny thing that happened a funny
00:26:57.060 thing happened on the way to the the virus which is that president trump went full socialists
00:27:02.660 for now, right? He just said, we'll pay for your coronavirus treatment, doesn't matter who you are.
00:27:09.880 He just said, we're going to give you massive amounts of money, whether you're working or not,
00:27:13.480 we're going to backstop these small businesses and stuff. So the entire country who was thinking,
00:27:19.200 hey, we should be trying these more socialist things, they just watched the most, you know,
00:27:25.120 Republican capitalist presidents say, yep, you know,
00:27:29.180 under these conditions, full socialism for now.
00:27:33.340 And I think that really softens up the other side to say, okay,
00:27:37.860 I guess we just had to make a better argument because that's what it took.
00:27:42.540 Yeah.
00:27:43.240 This is the better argument. And then the people say, oh yeah,
00:27:47.040 that's a good argument. We'll do that. The other,
00:27:49.300 the other thing that I think nobody is talking about,
00:27:53.420 but it's really big in the, in our psychology.
00:27:57.620 And it goes like this at the end of this, there's an,
00:28:01.440 I hope this doesn't happen, but it looks like it's going to happen.
00:28:05.400 President Trump could be broke because the, the Trump business depends on
00:28:12.980 people, you know, buying property and staying in those properties.
00:28:16.200 And I don't know how many are, you know, owned outright and, you know,
00:28:19.500 what the licensing situations are and how that flows through.
00:28:22.260 But there's a really good chance that the president bankrupted himself, as well as other rich people with hotels and recreation business, in the service of rescuing the people who didn't have much.
00:28:38.740 and even though maybe he didn't have any choice
00:28:42.640 and it was going to happen anyway
00:28:44.100 the way it's going to feel
00:28:45.860 is that he bankrupted his own most precious resource
00:28:50.880 and didn't even blink
00:28:54.060 didn't even blink
00:28:55.860 to save the country would be the narrative
00:28:57.740 to save the people who needed saving
00:29:00.960 the lowest people on the economic spectrum
00:29:04.760 I think that's going to happen
00:29:06.980 Now, I'd love to see that his and all the other companies find a way out.
00:29:11.300 He's got a pretty good balance sheet, he says.
00:29:12.940 I don't know if it's good enough.
00:29:14.580 But these are enormous psychological changes that our brains are being rewired in real time.
00:29:25.420 I mean, you can feel it.
00:29:26.280 The way you feel about your fellow citizens, the way you feel about politics, the way you feel about your leaders, it's all different.
00:29:34.560 And when we come out of this, a lot of our assets will look similar, but we won't be the same people anymore.
00:29:40.380 And what does that do?
00:29:41.740 You know, what kind of a civilization do we build after we're done rewiring ourselves?
00:29:47.380 You've talked about rewiring ourselves, Scott, and I've felt myself in that process.
00:29:51.600 I've suddenly realized I was somebody who was intensely career focused, driven, you know, working six nights a week as a comedian, you know, putting this show with Constantine and building that.
00:30:02.180 And all of a sudden, you realize that actually what is important in life isn't the career, isn't the things you surround yourself with, but actually the people who are around you, your loved ones, your family, your friends.
00:30:13.500 And I found myself more and more, and I think all of us have, reconnecting with our friends and our family.
00:30:19.020 Do you think we're going to see a more communitarian United States when we come out of this?
00:30:25.820 Well, I would say that people revert to being people, you know, in the long run.
00:30:32.180 But we still, as a civilization, there's kind of a global mind that does keep learning.
00:30:38.280 So I think there's going to be a solid 10% we keep, you know, the things we learned,
00:30:42.780 what we learned about ourselves and our family, what was important.
00:30:45.940 You know, to your point, learning what mattered is like something I'm going through right now.
00:30:53.040 Because, you know, I'm looking at, you know, newspapers being devastated by this.
00:30:57.140 I don't think many of them will be even in business after this is over.
00:31:00.640 so my entire career and income and everything just just blew up and i don't think it's ever
00:31:05.820 coming back if you'd said to me three months ago yeah hey you'll lose all of your income and
00:31:11.740 it'll never come back i would have been pretty depressed but i i like everybody else i'm
00:31:18.960 experiencing a redefinition of what matters and it doesn't feel like it matters as much as it used
00:31:26.040 to. I mean, I want to eat and all that stuff, but you know, certainly the, you know, the way I felt
00:31:31.180 about it has changed the way I feel about other people. Now I'm, I'm actually in full social
00:31:35.960 isolation. So I'm in a, uh, I'm in a very large house and it's just me and my dog and my cat.
00:31:43.960 And I probably won't touch another human, actually even touch for maybe a period of three months.
00:31:50.420 even my fiance is in a different house for for safety reasons and um you really learning a lot
00:31:59.260 about who you are and what you care about um it's it's a completely transformational experience for
00:32:08.260 me i don't know if everybody's having this but i think a lot of us will yeah yeah man
00:32:13.060 no i was just gonna say it's interesting because francis is on his own and i'm with my wife so i'm
00:32:19.080 having a very different experience to most people i've quit smoking i'm happier yeah well look i've
00:32:24.520 quit smoking i get daily exercise right which i never used to do i i go to bed at the right time
00:32:30.660 i mean coronavirus has been great for my health personally i have to say uh but i yeah right uh
00:32:37.460 but i do think it makes you think about stuff and we will come out of it different that's one of the
00:32:41.780 things francis and i were really keen to talk to you about is what are the the psychological
00:32:48.520 shifts that are going to happen as a result of this? Because the reality is, I think,
00:32:55.060 given the financial packages that we've had, you know, you mentioned the Donald Trump going full
00:33:00.080 socialist. We had an election a few months ago in this country where the left was ridiculed and
00:33:05.780 mocked the Labour Party, which is kind of the equivalent of the Democrats, for promising lots
00:33:10.740 of, you know, free broadband and this and that. And the Conservatives are like the Republicans
00:33:15.940 were saying well there's no magic money tree right and it's been three months and suddenly
00:33:20.480 there's a magic money forest that we've discovered right uh so it's i mean the one of our recent
00:33:27.560 guests was just saying economics doesn't work anymore the world will be different the world
00:33:31.940 economically will be a whole different place as a result of what what's happening uh and how else
00:33:38.040 is it going to change what are going to be some of the shifts that we're going to see on the kind
00:33:41.720 of civilization level do you think as a result is because one of the things we've talked a lot
00:33:46.500 about on this show is you know woke culture uh and all of this kind of stuff you know obsession
00:33:51.700 about identity increasingly smaller little identifies of who you're this transgender person
00:33:57.760 you know that doesn't seem to matter quite so much when we're all you know in isolation and
00:34:02.440 people are dying because we don't have enough ventilators yeah and the other thing that this
00:34:07.420 reminded us of i hope it's happening in your country as well but all of that stuff just
00:34:12.820 disappeared because it's an emergency you know when um i was telling a story on my periscope
00:34:19.320 earlier that when i asked the young woman in my neighborhood to do some grocery shopping for me 0.78
00:34:23.900 she didn't ask me who i voted for and i don't care who she voted for and if there's somebody
00:34:30.780 in my neighborhood who needs help later and i can provide it i'm not going to ask them their
00:34:35.000 politics either. And I was saying this morning that everything is too quiet. There's a, just
00:34:45.320 today, not yesterday or any other day, but there's some kind of quiet that happened that I could just
00:34:51.080 feel. It's like it's in the zeitgeist, it's in the air or something. And part of it is a lack of
00:34:56.840 conflict within the country. I look at the headlines and I'm looking for all the stories
00:35:02.420 about who hates who and who's insulted.
00:35:04.820 And they're there, but they're very mild.
00:35:08.240 Like it's from a 10, it's down to like a three
00:35:10.880 just to fill some space.
00:35:12.940 I mean, it looked like they were just saying,
00:35:14.320 can you guys come up with something to complain about
00:35:16.860 because we need to fill some space here?
00:35:19.540 It looked like they were forcing it.
00:35:21.980 Like nobody's heart is in it right now.
00:35:24.200 Right.
00:35:24.640 Vice wrote this article the other day
00:35:26.420 about how the worst thing about the coronavirus
00:35:30.880 is that it's denying trans people a life-saving transition surgery.
00:35:36.440 And I think everyone just looked at it and kind of went,
00:35:38.140 come on, guys, this is not the thing to be talking about right now.
00:35:41.320 So I know exactly what you mean.
00:35:43.060 So what you're really saying is we are less angry
00:35:46.420 or potentially becoming less angry with each other and less divided.
00:35:51.140 Yeah. And I don't think if you're low income,
00:35:54.680 I don't think it can be missed on you that you're not the one
00:35:58.560 who's going to be paying back all this money that's coming toward you.
00:36:02.160 The rich basically just emptied their pockets.
00:36:06.100 And that's exactly what you didn't expect, right?
00:36:09.020 Because you think, oh, the rich are going to take care of themselves and stuff.
00:36:12.000 Now, of course, there's self-interest, right?
00:36:14.320 The rich can't live in a country if the whole country disappears.
00:36:19.020 But I don't think anybody had to ask.
00:36:21.720 You saw everybody from Jeff Bezos to you name it, Elon Musk.
00:36:26.640 there was nobody who didn't jump in and it's going to be super expensive for a lot of billionaires
00:36:33.020 nobody's crying for them they're losing billions and billions and you know sometimes tens of
00:36:39.260 billions and I don't think they blinked I don't think anybody blinked it's like yeah if that's
00:36:45.280 what it takes to get things right we'll do that so I think everybody sort of stepped up you know
00:36:50.180 and did what they could do. We're seeing a display of human ingenuity in terms of, you know,
00:36:56.880 how to, you know, materialize ventilators out of nothing. You know, engineers are just like
00:37:01.960 breaking rules of physics at this point. And I think what we feel about ourselves will change.
00:37:09.860 I think what we think we need to do about, you know, supply lines and trade, what we need to do
00:37:15.120 to prepare for the next major problem, whether it's an epidemic or not.
00:37:21.700 Just a lot of stuff's getting stronger.
00:37:24.640 It's just not the economy at the moment, but that'll come back.
00:37:28.980 Do you envisage that coming back?
00:37:31.220 Because I've seen a lot of hot takes from people,
00:37:34.340 which I find quite frustrating, about how actually we're going to,
00:37:37.620 this is going to be a, you know, we're going to come into a mass depression.
00:37:42.020 It's going to mean that society is going to be fractured.
00:37:45.120 Or do you see it or do you take a more sort of upbeat tone as to what will happen when we emerge?
00:37:50.920 Well, I might be the most upbeat of all the upbeat people.
00:37:54.480 I like to, whenever I can bet on human beings figuring it out, you know, under pressure, like I always take that bet.
00:38:03.780 You know, when the year 2000 bug was coming, I just said, all right, seriously, the smartest people in the world can't figure out how to write some programs.
00:38:12.980 that go in and look for that thing and fix it, really.
00:38:16.400 The whole world doesn't have people smart enough to do that.
00:38:19.360 And then when it got close to the deadline,
00:38:21.460 the smart people wrote programs that went and looked for those things
00:38:23.940 and changed them.
00:38:25.120 And that was it.
00:38:26.400 The whole thing was you just had to get the smart people engaged
00:38:30.240 and fix it.
00:38:32.740 So I think we're seeing some version of that, you know,
00:38:35.340 more desperate, bigger problem here.
00:38:37.540 but the the level of of talent and brilliance that's being focused on this everywhere in the
00:38:45.320 world is it's breathtaking and i don't think we'll ever see anything like this again and do
00:38:51.000 so you see more and more people coming together isn't it amazing in a way how it's needed a
00:38:57.280 killer virus to make us all forget the fact that our petty insecurities and differences
00:39:02.520 Yeah, you know, I've always been amazed at people who went through, let's say, a war together.
00:39:08.740 They could be separated for 30 years, but they're never separated.
00:39:13.140 Like, you know, if you were in the foxhole with your buddy, you saved each other's lives or whatever.
00:39:18.920 You're never really separated.
00:39:21.220 And there's something about this, which is all of humanity fighting this virus, that we just formed connections.
00:39:29.700 some of them will you know disappear in the future we'll we'll get if when times are good we'll get
00:39:36.200 back to our petty differences i feel like for a while we'll all have gone through the same
00:39:43.300 experience a shared experience everybody chipped in you know everybody did what they could and i
00:39:49.240 think you're always going to know that about you know i use i use the example of france i could i
00:39:55.640 I could use Great Britain in this, but France is a cleaner example.
00:39:59.140 France doesn't really ever have to wonder if they were to get,
00:40:02.580 let's say, attacked by some external force,
00:40:05.140 whether the United States would have their back.
00:40:08.400 Or would I wonder if France would have the United States back.
00:40:16.280 You laugh at France, but the United States and France have a history
00:40:21.260 which strongly suggests we will have each other's back.
00:40:24.760 Right. And and although I've never been in a situation where I needed France or vice versa in my lifetime, still, I know that it's true because the history rewrites your brains in a certain way. 0.97
00:40:38.480 You go, oh, well, if it were this other country, maybe not. But France? Well, obviously, obviously, because France, you know, France would do it for us.
00:40:46.400 Of course, we'll do it. So there's something like that going on globally, where your neighbors, the Democrats, etc. Today, there was some news that Chris Cuomo, who's one of the most prominent CNN personalities, tested positive for the coronavirus.
00:41:04.880 And I don't think anybody had a bad feeling about it. But three months ago, every Republican and Trump supporter would have wanted to dump on him and just say every horrible thing you could say just because of his politics. But not today. Today, people saw that and they said, get well soon.
00:41:22.800 that's wow that's that's exciting because in the uk as you probably know our prime minister
00:41:27.720 our health secretary a lot of senior people involved in fighting coronavirus have actually
00:41:33.620 got it and we still had a huge number of people on twitter coming out and going how you know
00:41:40.440 how delighted they are how you know all this kind of stuff so maybe uh maybe you guys are ahead of
00:41:46.000 us on that one which which is nice to hear but uh coming back to to to the divided global world
00:41:52.420 for a moment. You're someone who, I think, I don't know if you self-describe yourself as a
00:41:59.240 China hawk, but I don't think it would be inaccurate to say that you've been critical
00:42:04.160 of China on many different aspects of this and more broadly. First of all, would that be right?
00:42:10.040 Is that fair? Yeah. For context, my stepson died of an overdose in 2018 and fentanyl was in his
00:42:18.100 system. Fentanyl comes from China with the Chinese government approval, ships into Mexico in their
00:42:24.200 precursor form, and then the cartels turn it into drugs and send it up to our country to kill, I
00:42:29.680 don't know, 70,000 people a year or so. So, given that the government of China clearly knows, and
00:42:36.640 they know who's sending it, they know the laboratory it's coming from, CBS went over there
00:42:41.500 for 60 minutes and found the guy and interviewed him. So, of course, the government of China knows
00:42:47.980 who he is and of course they're letting it happen still um so under those conditions china has to
00:42:54.980 be considered an enemy and i would consider this basically a hot war because you know we're dying
00:43:01.000 by the tens of thousands through their actions deliberate actions so yes i would like the
00:43:06.120 government of china to be uh erased from the earth i like the people people of china great
00:43:12.740 yeah so the ccp is is the issue but uh they haven't exactly my where i was taking this is
00:43:20.800 uh they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory with with the coronavirus so they covered
00:43:26.760 it up for a period of time as a result of which very likely it got out in a way that otherwise
00:43:31.880 it wouldn't have got out um what do you think will be the actually before i ask that let me
00:43:37.940 ask something else people like you who predicted that donald trump would be elected quite early
00:43:42.540 seem also to be the same people who have predicted the coronavirus
00:43:48.460 and got people to take people like Steve Bannon, Mike Cernovich, etc.
00:43:54.160 All of you guys seem to have been aware of this in a way that most people want.
00:43:57.980 Why is that? Is that random?
00:44:00.320 Yeah, you know, I've seen that observation before, and you're absolutely right.
00:44:04.020 There's a complete correlation.
00:44:06.760 And some of it, I think, well, I'll just talk about the individuals you mentioned.
00:44:12.540 Mike Cernovich can just see around corners.
00:44:15.400 So it has nothing to do with these two examples.
00:44:18.380 He just is better at this.
00:44:20.220 He just sees the bigger field.
00:44:21.600 He has a more impressive talent stack, you know, from psychology to economics to law.
00:44:27.200 He just sees the field.
00:44:28.540 Steve Bannon, same thing.
00:44:29.740 He's just smarter.
00:44:31.780 In my case, you know, I may have been influenced by my hatred for China.
00:44:37.960 Again, hatred for the government of China, not the people who are awesome.
00:44:41.700 Um, so, um, I can't explain it, but I would say that maybe there's something about the
00:44:48.840 non-standard thinkers that gives us some kind of advantage because we're, we're more likely
00:44:55.480 to buck the mainstream by, by personality as much as anything else.
00:45:00.740 So, um, yeah, you should watch for that.
00:45:03.400 And by the way, you know, if you're taking say Bannon and Cernovich, just as your two
00:45:08.240 examples, these aren't just the two things they got right.
00:45:11.700 right? These are people with a pretty big body of knowing stuff before other people know it.
00:45:17.980 It's not a coincidence. They're just better at it. And do you think we're going to reach the
00:45:23.340 stage once we sort of get past this, as we inevitably will, the human race will get over
00:45:28.840 this, where we put China under some pretty heavy pressure for reparations? Well, you know,
00:45:37.120 there will be noise for that.
00:45:38.700 I don't think president Trump will ever use that term because he's,
00:45:42.800 he's,
00:45:43.260 he's got this weird balance where he wants to be friendly with the
00:45:46.620 leadership,
00:45:46.940 which I think is a good strategy,
00:45:48.700 no matter what you think of them,
00:45:50.260 it's a good strategy.
00:45:51.660 But at the same time,
00:45:52.820 I think,
00:45:53.300 I don't know how obvious it is from,
00:45:56.560 from your perspective over there,
00:45:58.460 but can I swear?
00:45:59.820 Can I?
00:46:00.580 Absolutely. 1.00
00:46:01.220 You absolutely fucking can. 0.98
00:46:03.800 Thank you for that permission. 0.98
00:46:05.040 Cause there's just some times where you have to.
00:46:07.120 but you think you think it's optional but it's not let me let me just explain the american mood
00:46:16.020 so you understand it it has nothing to do with what our you know our government may or may not 0.87
00:46:20.240 tell us to do the mood here is there's no fucking way we're going to do business with china unless 0.99
00:46:25.740 you put a gun to our head from now on period so every everybody who can move their supply chain 0.98
00:46:32.220 out of there at any cost will do it. If they don't do it, they're going to have to answer to
00:46:37.080 Americans, right? Because we're done. So good luck if you want to keep doing your business over in 1.00
00:46:43.880 China, because we're going to turn it over. We're going to look at the label and we're not going to
00:46:48.000 pick your fucking product if it says China on it. So the supply chains are coming back. That should 0.99
00:46:53.540 be an enormous economic blow to China. I don't even know if it's good for us, you know, because
00:47:00.480 it'll cost more so you know it's hard to nobody's smart enough to to know the pluses minuses
00:47:06.060 but in terms of security we just have to do it so it's no longer an option well that's one of the
00:47:12.800 point you point you've made repeatedly which is you know it's not sustainable to have a situation
00:47:20.120 where you know 97 of our antibiotics come from china you know yeah yeah that's one of those
00:47:26.280 arguments that we'll pretend we're arguing over here but it's already decided that that stuff's
00:47:32.060 coming home i don't know how long or how quickly but yeah there may be a pretend argument but
00:47:38.520 that's coming home and scott you so you said it's and you use the phrase it's coming home which i
00:47:44.000 find very very interesting do you think with the crisis what we're going to see is essentially the
00:47:51.200 death blow to globalization where people used to believe well not everyone but a lot of people used
00:47:56.180 to believe in particularly the people in power that globalization was this universal good that
00:48:00.980 the more connected we are the better we are as a society but actually what this has shown is that
00:48:06.500 in many ways it makes us more vulnerable yeah and i think it depends on the product you know if
00:48:11.860 you're making you know widgets or ashtrays or something it probably doesn't matter where you
00:48:16.160 make them so just find some low-cost people but if it's anything important to the function of your
00:48:21.980 country. People are going to bring that in. And the other thing that you can't quite predict
00:48:27.780 at this point is the psychological change that will happen when the entire argument for however
00:48:34.480 many months this goes on is going to be about closing borders. Now, of course, it's closing
00:48:39.980 borders for a specific reason, the virus, but the mental model of closing borders to keep danger
00:48:48.940 out went from a concept that people were on both sides to, at least for a while, a concept where
00:48:55.260 everybody says, okay, that does make sense when you're talking about a virus. Now, people are not
00:49:00.620 normally viruses or virus carriers, so it's analogy thinking, and it's not logical thinking
00:49:07.220 because you should just treat every situation like it's its own thing. But the way people are,
00:49:11.400 we use analogies and they influence us. So I think the notion that, well, I think watching
00:49:18.640 the fact that everybody agrees, closing traffic between countries made a difference. So I think
00:49:25.140 all the experts, no matter their political affiliation, will say, yeah, it's good we
00:49:30.120 stop travel in these situations. I think that's just going to make people a little more
00:49:35.280 We're open to the argument that there might be other reasons to have borders as well. So, yeah, I think that will move the argument away from globalization. Not completely, of course.
00:49:47.200 And I suppose the other thing we're seeing as well is that, you know, we mostly have shut our borders to some extent, and yet society hasn't crumbled into dust. So people will kind of look at that and go, well, maybe, you know, our natural predilection to think all closing borders or reducing immigration is, you know, this kind of unquestionable evil. I think those people don't really have a leg to stand on anymore after this.
00:50:15.980 yeah and also you know maybe we can get out of the binary of the borders are either closed or
00:50:22.020 not closed nobody there's nobody in this country who wants a closed border we just want to know
00:50:28.500 who's coming in and we want to be the ones who decide yes it's our house we get to decide who
00:50:33.840 comes in uh sounds pretty racist to me obviously i'm joking but the the so we've been talking
00:50:44.480 about globalization i wanted to talk with you in particular about the phenomenon of the strongman
00:50:48.860 the populist leader which we've seen right the way from you know the america right the way through
00:50:53.300 europe to modi in india now in a in a world where it's become all of a sudden very very very uncertain
00:51:01.040 very very worrying are we going to crave those type of strong men figures more
00:51:06.480 well did you say strong men i'm way too woke to put up
00:51:14.480 Let's revise that to strong women, and sometimes men, sometimes men too. 0.98
00:51:19.400 Strong people. I believe we like to say people, Scott, as Justin Trudeau famously told us.
00:51:25.460 And the answer is, I think, yes. I mean, that would be the natural inclination is if you feel threatened by an external force, you want bad.
00:51:34.160 And if things are good and you want to have a little more sharing in the household, you want mom.
00:51:40.380 and you know i think things are as simple as we you know our leaders are a mom or a dad basically
00:51:47.840 and it could be either party and either gender you know so i'm not genderizing this i'm just
00:51:53.840 saying that classic dad is the guy who gets the baseball bat if there's a if there's a noise
00:51:59.440 downstairs could be mom a mom could be loaded you know she could she could have her handgun too 1.00
00:52:05.900 But usually, classically, you think it's the man who's going to go down just because he's bigger.
00:52:11.680 So, yeah, I think we'll see strong leaders have a little bit of an upsurge.
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