Scott Capurro on Comedy, Offence and Politics in 2018
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Summary
If you're bored of people arguing on the internet over subjects they know nothing about, at Trigonometry we don't pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts. This week, our brilliant guest is a fantastic comedian, Scott Kapuro.
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Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissin. And this is the
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show for you. If you're bored of people arguing on the internet over subjects they know nothing
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about, at Trigonometry we don't pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts. Our brilliant
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guest this week is a fantastic comedian, Scott Kapuro. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you very
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much and the first question we always ask people is how did you get to where
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you are today you've been a comedian for a long time yeah I have I am I wasn't
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an actor and I was doing a play and so the people I worked with were comedians
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by trade and they suggested I give it a try so I went to a club with them I tried in LA but I
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didn't really well I lived in LA when I was at university I didn't really like it because I was
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closeted on stage and it didn't feel right anyway once in San Francisco with this play
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I went to a club and there's some openly just alternative performers on stage and I found it
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inspiring lots of women performing and all sorts of double acts and stuff and then a couple of
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homos and it just felt fresh comedy it felt this the scripted quality of it felt really stale to
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me when I lived in Los Angeles right after I left Irvine University I just felt like what I was
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watching was more of a seminar or a lecture but um I mean I was being told things by you know
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middle-aged white guys and that was the days of the open-colored shirt with the sleeves pushed
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up like people please everyone was copying jerry seinfeld and um i'm sure they were talented i just
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didn't find it it didn't touch me in any way and then starts to go seeing these people talk openly
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honestly about themselves you know at a time when politics in san francisco were really charged for
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all sorts of reasons you know the age epidemic and gay rights and women's rights and it felt very
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relevant and very real and very now and that excited me so that's why i started doing it and
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And then I kept acting, but then I came over here to do a coming-of-age play that had elements
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of stand-up in it, and it won the newcomer, and then I just stayed on and off for the
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I just started getting a lot of work as a comic.
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I had no intention of living or working full-time as a stand-up at all, and I'd been in a few
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films and I was going to pursue that, but the comedy thing just sort of took over.
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I liked working when I wanted to work and traveling when I wanted to travel.
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And when you're young and you start comedy and they're tossing you from festival to festival,
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it feels exciting because you're meeting new people every couple of months
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and you're going to countries you could have never even thought of going to before,
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especially as a work assignment, because that's exciting,
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because you're meeting people who live and work there.
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So I traveled before that, but that kind of traveling was more interesting to me.
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and you feel as though you take part wherever you are.
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You're actually adding as a comic in South Africa or Australia
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But I probably would have never got off my couch
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and planned to go there if I hadn't been sent there for it.
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And have you seen comedy change since that time?
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Or have you seen it regress in some ways or adapt?
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You know, I mean, I think, from what I can see, because I mostly close shows, so I see, you know, the ends of shows.
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I don't really, unless I'm working clubs out of town, I've seen a lot of actually new comics recently.
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I've been really inspired by the storytelling and the narrative aspect, which I thought had been kind of lost for a while.
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because i play places like you know i play mainstream clubs now uh mainstream to me but
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maybe they're still alternative in a way they're not working men's clubs but there's something
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there's an expectation for someone closing a show like that or even on the bill that you have to be
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kind of joke driven and it's got to be bam bam bam bam you don't want to slow down or or the
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temptation is to perform for the staff if you work there a lot because the bar staff get bored and
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they're like are you gonna do that grenfell tower material and you know and then you do it and then
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you never get the audience you never get the audience back and then you leave you know you
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leave stage five minutes early you go to get paid and the guy who owns the club's like i can't pay
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you get into your time what i did he said you know you're not working for the bar staff you're
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working for me so don't take suggestions from the next time that didn't happen to me but happened
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to a friend and it was a good story for me to hear but but i do sort of you know i've been
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booking a lot of solo shows on the road not just to prepare for edinburgh but also because i want
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the stage time because i want the chance to open up to an audience and see where they're at what's
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going on locally and not just rush through it's not rush but you know it does become a bit a bit
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rote because the audience wants jokes i mean i was the comedia this weekend and it's a great club
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But the late show on Saturday can be a bit circumspect.
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It usually gets a room, apparently, of drunken students, which I was looking forward to, actually.
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Because I do a lot of universities in the U.S., and despite what I hear from other headliners, I like university campuses.
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I think these kids are really politically driven.
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I think they know a lot about what's going on around them.
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I think the social media online has really engaged them.
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When I went to university, we all felt like we were in a bubble a little bit.
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We wanted, you know, to party and take drugs and not really be involved with what was going on out there.
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But now I think young people between the ages of 18 and 25 really want to be a part of...
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I mean, the politics going on in the U.S. right now show that, and here.
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So anyway, I enjoy it, and I look forward to it Saturday.
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The other comics weren't really talking to me very much, and I thought I'd made people angry.
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This happens sometimes when I just think, you know, does she fucking hate me?
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Because I'm in a green room with some female comic book.
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I'm engaging her, asking her so many questions about herself.
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And my husband has to do this to get me to stop talking because I haven't realized that she hasn't asked me one question about myself yet.
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And she doesn't care anything about who I am or what I'm doing.
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And I just think comics are meant to be chatting.
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Anyway, so I spent a whole weekend not talking to anyone backstage.
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But the shows have been going well, and I went out late show Saturday,
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and I did a bunch of news about Thai boys, and I lost them.
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In the first four minutes, I lost them talking about Thai boys stuffed in a cave.
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And I thought, it was okay now because they're fine.
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But I said something about, you know, you can understand why the family's upset when that happens
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All right, so if anyone who missed the story, some Thai young footballer's got stuck in a cave.
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Yeah, anyway, the Thai boys are in a cave.
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In case you were in a cave, the Thai boys are in a cave.
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But the audience obviously knew what I was talking about, right?
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And I said some other jokes about Thai boys.
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It's like I dealt with him, but he poisoned the room.
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He's trying not to laugh and looking down at his feet right now.
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Anyway, so you've got to get the little ones working.
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Anyway, they're all fine, and now everyone's eating again.
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The point is, I said that, and the crowd went a bit quiet.
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And there are two people from, this is what I mean,
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there are two people from Hong Kong in the front row,
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and they've been identified as being from Hong Kong.
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And I started talking about, oh, I've been heckled recently
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all those ethnic conservatives with no minority friends
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I'm just telling you it's no longer a wild card I can play
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and transgender audiences they're the worst
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to a room full of people that think I'm like them.
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No! And the Chinese people are fucking lying.
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She's a bit grouchy, arms crossed. But, you know,
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Was that the force of the put-downs or the alcohol?
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When the security fired him over to tap his arm,
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I'd hoped you were fucking dead, you cunt.
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i know but you know if you don't scream no at the comic don't yell no it's not about your
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boundaries no one knows you no one gives a shit what offends you you're over there i'm over here
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the lights are pointed this way i have the mic and the mic stand if you don't like it do it two
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people actually did get up angrily scream at me grab your jackets and walk out angrily scream at
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me what what have i possibly said that would elicit that sort of response nothing i wish i had
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i felt i wasn't rough enough on them i kind of felt bad leaving early i should have stayed up
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there and done the grenfell tower material i just fucking watched them just one by one walk out
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but i i just you know at this point now i just i don't see the point of fighting that battle
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i also don't want to turn people away from from that club the comedian is trying to you know is
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yeah probably like every other comedy club in the country struggling to keep people i mean i from
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what I can tell they're doing well. I think it's a great club. A lot of people do. A lot
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of comics think it's the best club in the country. I think it's wonderful. You know,
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you get to go to Brighton, you have a nice weekend. They put you up. They're really
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generous. It's a great gig. I wanted it to go. I was really thrilled because I got there
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on Friday night and the comics were complaining about the crowd. I thought that we had a nine
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Welsh stag party in. I love a good stag party. I think they're fantastic. There's a way to
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play a stag party. Hen parties are a bit, they can be touchy because with stags, you
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can fuck with the stag you know make fun of him and the guys love it yeah oh yeah that's what
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and they'll join in that's what they want yeah that's why they're there with hens you can't make
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fun of the bride you can't call her fat or stupid because you do that the hen's all getting up on
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you right yeah yeah especially with this voice right or really any male uh harassing a woman
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people don't want to see it that's and that's fine but this stag guy was welsh i've got a load
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of welsh material i did it all and then i i knew his name so i kept calling back to it yeah and
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So, oddly on Sunday when I was leaving, one of the comics on the bill I ran into at the
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And I think he's just been distracted all weekend.
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But as I'm describing the late show, he said, yeah, I saw it.
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I think he was waiting for me to lie about it, like most comics would.
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And he said, you know, you've got nothing to prove.
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Because the two shows before I had done really well, and I closed them.
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I don't know why anyone responds the way they do to anything.
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I say to a lot of comics on the road, hey, what are you guys doing this weekend?
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Well, I can't wait to see the way that reflects itself.
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And then I watch the set, and it's the same schtick in the same place to the same seat.
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But it's like, well, let's go to a movie or have a drink or go to dinner or something.
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Well, I was going to say, you've demonstrated some of it already,
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but I was going to say, do you think of yourself as an edgy comic?
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I just, you know, when you asked this comedy change,
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and this maybe, maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly,
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but when I first came over, especially the Edinburgh Fringe,
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There's no one talking about it on stage, which was a benefit to me.
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I don't understand why some comics complain about their gender now
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At least it was that there were a lot of different people then.
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I mean, a lot of the larger clubs needed to sell, sell, sell
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because the competition kicked up in the late 90s or late 2000s.
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And so the shows became less of a rocking boat is the only way I can describe it.
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It became less, I wouldn't say, it became more consistent in the performance you saw.
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There wasn't, I wouldn't say that chances weren't being taken because comedy is always a risk.
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It's not an easy way to make a living for anybody.
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But I think what I did see was a lot more of a steady sail in every show I was performing in.
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And the expectations on, at least I think on me, at least my management told me this,
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And to me, I felt as though I had to hit a hit every time.
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so I know from him, from his experiences with the owner,
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who stands behind the bar with him and watches a lot of comedy,
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If that club owner does not hear a laugh consistently every 15 seconds,
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Do you think people have become more sensitive over your time in this country?
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That might have happened because of social media and constant influx.
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I'm not saying it is, but do you think it has changed?
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Maybe, but you can prick at their sensibilities a bit more.
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and their financial responsibilities have become greater.
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and they're less, I think, willing to take risks on comedy stages.
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You never thought you'd be, you never chose it.
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It just sort of happened to you for a lot of people.
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People lived on boats or on the beach or slept on couches.
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And I think the exposure on TV and whatever, they see, they're myopic about their career path.
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They want to be on BBC One on Saturday nights or they want to have a panel show or they want to be a compare.
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And to do that, when they, their management, certain management companies kind of encompass them.
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They, you know, take them to their shows and they watch them closely and they shape them, they form them.
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And that seems to me to be sort of a different strategy than what I was accustomed to when I first started.
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But the reason I'm asking you about whether people have become more sensitive is you clearly went into that gig that you've been talking about, right?
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with an expectation that the Thai boy material or whatever
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So there might have been a point, is what I'm getting at,
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that would have been a point in some way in your career
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and you would have felt absolutely safe to do it.
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And I thought I was safe in Brighton as a gay man
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I could have gone on stage and done the set I'd done in the previous show,
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But I thought I want to do something fresh, a bit different.
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I want to do some of my Edinburgh Fringe material.
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I did tell a gun control joke that got absolutely no response.
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But I say, I'm American, but don't worry, I'm not a cunt.
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I mean, you know, I own a gun, but that's because I believe in gun control,
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and I want to win the fucking argument for a change.
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So it's a joke about what I do with my gun and how I don't really fire it.
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Anyway, so, and they just fucking stared at me.
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Now, it might have been just because it was late, and they enjoyed the joke.
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But I think the whole thing, I could have had them,
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Because we're not just all there to decorate Brighton.
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And I think, you know, I think when you ask me, things change.
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I think you're asking me, have audiences' sensitivities become more tender?
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And about certain things they have, I think one good thing is I'm less likely to get, you know,
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they don't give a shit, especially young people
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young people assume that gay men and women
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so they'll cooperate with you on those subjects
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how I can stand on a stage in front of strangers
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And there was an American couple in the front row from the South.
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They spoke well, and they owned guns, and they voted for Trump.
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And they were not shy about telling us those things,
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And that was a room full of left-leaning Jews and these two people.
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And they were about my age, and they were white.
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the room that the British got tenser and fucking tenser because what I was doing was making fun of
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them to their face but they weren't getting it I was performing to them for the rest of the room
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and I was complimenting them I was I was I was flirting with them to make them think not that
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I agree with them but what they were saying was okay and the rest of the room was completely
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horrified with what they were saying right but it was making them tenser and tenser and I couldn't
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tell what they were angry about but if you're not on the edge of your seat in a comedy show i don't
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know why the fuck you're there are you there to have a mirror held up to you to show you how great
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you are because that's why i don't perform in gay and lesbian clubs because that's what they want
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and i'd rather chew on ground glass and perform at fucking at a club in south london and wave my
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fist around say how great gay people are i don't give a shit about that if you want that then hire
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a fucking tranny or a fucking a diva or a drag queen hire those people because that's what they'll
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do for you. But that's not what I do. If you want that, get a juggler, go to a children's party.
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But this, you're in a comedy club in 2018. And my president has just tried to have a coup in your
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country. He's just tried to dismantle your governmental structure in three days. And he
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almost did it. That's how weak your political system is right now. Does any of this mean anything
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to you? So while I'm talking to them about Trump, you know, I'm talking about your prime minister
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famous person in the world i think people are afraid he's going to win in 2020 probably well
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yeah and i think people just they're just they're sick of it it might have been that response well
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but i know what you mean about young people they do claim although i think it's all hype to have
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trigger words and they do claim that um you know they want safe space and all that but if in the
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first few minutes of your act like one technique i try to master although i'm not good at it yet
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I'm trying to get a friend of mine is to dispel all of that the first five minutes so that we can
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kind of move on if you can let them know that what a safe space actually is and what feminism
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actually is because they're because some of them are too stupid to know what it means and um and
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they think they know what a trigger word is but they don't so if you can tell them what democracy
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actually is and what it would look like if they were actually practicing it and how miserable
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they be then if you can get that all out of the way then they might cooperate i'm i'm worried
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about edinburgh i have to be honest with you i am why because i'm fucking dreading it already
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because um i mean i love the fringe it's kind of it shaped me as a comic in the first few years i
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was here um and i'm not it's not for the reason some people are about the expense of all that we
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take off that's all our decisions but I'm doing this thing with Bob Slayer
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where you know people pay seven pounds online but there are extra seats I go up
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to the bar upstairs and say they're empty seats if anyone's come down watch
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the show and let me pass the bucket at the end but I don't know that I want I
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don't know that I want let's just people that don't know what I do in that room
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I don't want to spend a half hour on them working out there fucking fuck off
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with your sensitivities and your sensibilities and you're drunk and loud
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I'm on a 920 your loudish behavior it's not fair to the people who've paid
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actually. Even if they're only 10 or 12, they've actually paid them. They want to
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see what I have to say. I don't want to deal with those fucking bald cunts in
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the back who couldn't wait to get away from their wives. Or five women in a pack
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who've been out shopping on the island or sunburned and too tired to listen. Or
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whatever. Or 25 year old who thinks they know anything. I just I don't I don't
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want. The show isn't about you. At Ritz's 9-11 they all think their opinions are of
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equal importance but they're incorrect unless they're on stage you want to write a check for
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three grand get this room then fucking do it next year but for now shut your cunt but no one tells
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people no anymore that's a problem to me no one says to them you might be wrong have you actually
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asked yourself the question do i know anything because really it's about the questions and not
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your fucking answers because nobody really gives a shit about your personal experience i mean my
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problem with twitter is not the comics go on in her ass it's that they don't do it in a funny way
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because your job is to write jokes about it,
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not to tell me about, oh, in the second half of your show,
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Why should I feel uncomfortable in your presence?
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and put me in this room to listen to your griping?
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It's like, this is not, why am I pretending to enjoy this?
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I just think if there's a narrative attached to it
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that makes it interesting, then that's great.
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And honestly, my first Edinburgh show where I won all that shit, it wasn't necessarily that funny.
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I mean, you know, I think I had the narrative, that thing where you admit things to an audience, where you kidnap them.
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I knew that's what I was doing when I was 30 years old.
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I knew that those people couldn't leave the room because I was the first queer they'd ever sat in a room with and listened to tell a few jokes.
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But really, that whole show is about my first sexual experience with my cousin in a trailer in California the summer Elvis had died.
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essentially that audiences have become more entitled well listen i really admire people that
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make the sacrifice to go to live performance because i oftentimes don't i can't fucking be
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bothered to you know but um but i you know what i say to people if they want if they ask me when
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they see a flower show i see your show to me it's like what my yoga teacher tells me which is just
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come with an open mind and an open heart that's all you got to do uh if you have any preconceived
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notions about how things should be or whether performances
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if in an audience someone feels offended it's usually their
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to because i'm from russia and i tell the story sometimes on stage about someone saying to me go
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back to russia you packy right and the asian that's quite a that's quite a lot of boxes
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and it's always the asian people that laugh the most and it's always the white people that look
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around to make sure it's safe and and i always wonder what that's about i know you know i know
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you mean I I tell the audience my husband's black in the first few minutes
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of the show I used to I don't know and part of the reason is I can drop the
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n-bomb about five times during the set and um because I do do you think of
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yourself as an edgy comedian well what is edgy really I mean you know I think
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My husband gets asked, he has accents from Brazil, what's your background?
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And in Britain, people mean, you know, what are you?
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Because people in this country are afraid of black people.
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I lived in an integrated city when I was younger.
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White people don't know how to talk to black people in this country at all.
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All young people know how to do is impersonate them.
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And it's a pathetic attempt with all that stuff that young people try to do.
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But you know, the lingo, the colloquialism, the young kids...
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And these kids, it's the richer and whiter they are, the more they try to be that way.
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And they think it's groovy and cool to be black,
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It's so offensive that if I say my husband's black,
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the audience allows me to talk about black issues.
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I'm doing it so that two-thirds of the way through the show,
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I just say that because I want you to like him.
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I mean, and they can't embrace the idea that they, you know,
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there'll be a mixed race couple in the front row
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because he's probably offended that no one's talking to him
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so you think people in Britain are scared of black people
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like it's her fault the Labour Party are fucked up
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a diabetic overthrow on the radio a couple of times
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So when you're playing a comedy club in New York or Seattle or L.A. or Chicago,
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if you're on stage, you better talk to the ethnic people in the room.
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You better be able to tell the difference between a Nicaraguan accent
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Except, you know, pull the fucking cucumber out of your butt and live a little.
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You don't do political material so much in your set, at least from what I've seen.
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There's a political improv show at the store that we do that's really politically motivated.
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So what do you make of what's happening in politics right now?
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And I think that's the conflict audiences have when you bring up Trump.
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Because audiences in comedy clubs, in central London at least, or most of London, tend to be left-leaning.
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When I did a free speech comedy show, Comedy Unleashed, at the back...
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And he might have mentioned that about half the audience in the first night were right-wing people.
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And they showed up thinking that to them, free speech in a comedy show meant right-wing comics on stage,
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in a comedy show in London or Edinburgh or Birmingham
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it might be a good idea to gauge where the audience is at.
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on these three cameras and that hot guy sitting
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Again, I don't, and I mean this in every respectful way,
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I don't give a shit what their politics are.
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And if they want to disagree or get upset, well, good for them.
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It's hard to react to anything now because everything's on an iPad.
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So if you're in the room with me and you want to share your thoughts, that's fine.
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We're not going to break up into discussion groups
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and talk about your abandonment, low self-esteem,
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But if you disagree with something I'm saying on stage
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and you want to talk, I'd suggest you raise your hand.
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But if you want to yell something out, then let's get into it.
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because every political idea I express, I research.
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I think that you ask about the political situation.
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I think the only place that we can deal with it now
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the breath or the girth to bring up these wide subjects
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Pull the plug on them, let some of the air out.
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And actually discuss people's hypocrisy in a way that's lighthearted.
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and they're like, you know, do you hunt down offensive material
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I don't ever look for what I think is offensive.
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if I find shooting teenagers in some way funny,
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because, I mean, have you talked to an adolescent?
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but what other option is there to survive any of this
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Because really, the amount of control any of us have
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over our destiny is so clearly not in our hands.
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is they realize the British Petroleum is the world, not us.
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So it doesn't obviously clearly matter who you vote for.
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Theresa May is doing exactly what she wants to do.
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I suspect that she brought Trump over knowing what he'd say
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so that people turned against Brexit even more.
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The more he supports it, the less the British public like it.
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Whatever her journey is with Brexit, she may be playing all of us.
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Voters might as well take their votes, their ballots,
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and flush them down the toilet for all the difference they've made
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over the last five years in the country and in the U.S. as well.
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I mean, when Brexit happened, I knew Trump would win.
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I know that those elections are fixed. I know they are.
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and the gerrymandering by the senators fixes them anyway so it doesn't matter how you vote in
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california they don't even come to california presidential nominees to do campaigns anymore
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because they know that california the largest state in the union with one-tenth the population
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the u.s it doesn't matter it doesn't matter how we vote and what do you think of trump and especially
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i would like to explore as a comedian because as a comedian watching political comics and
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inverted commas talk about trumps he's orange he's a dick he's got small hands i'm like really
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this is the best that you can do as a professional comedian with your comedic talents i mean i thought
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about voting for him because he's against gay marriage no i only way out no i talk about wait
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is he against gay marriage yeah because i hear people saying he's like the most pro-gay president
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america's ever had well i imagine you find that he he's he's seating the supreme court with judges
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whether or not guys are able to get married in a couple years.
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You have to follow Trump's actions, not what he says,
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because you know he says a lot of bullshit from one day to the next.
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and it's really about the judicial appointments in the U.S.
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more than anything that's the most frightening.
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I think he's about what comics do is he disrupts people and he creates chaos and he wants complete control.
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And I think that he doesn't feel any loyalty and his ambitions are limitless.
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And I think that he's a media and corporate mogul from New York.
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He's a property developer from Manhattan, so he's a gangster.
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So he has no loyalty to anyone, including his children.
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anyone. You've seen him almost turn his kids out a couple of times. And his son-in-law
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is one of the thickest, thickest piles of pig shit I've ever seen put in front of a
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camera. And he likes that, because that's his spokesmodel internationally. He sends
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that kid everywhere, so he doesn't have to go. And I think he's a bit of a genius.
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I mean, if he's not smart, how fucking thick are we?
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He came over here and almost completely disrupted
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And he has 90% approval ratings in the Republican Party.
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That's the highest of almost any president in the history of the U.S., 90%.
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For me to say that he's stupid seems weird because I don't—is he?
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Or is he just a genius at manipulating the media?
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And he knew that, like he said, if you ran for a Republican, they'd believe it and think the party's too stupid.
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He's got them in the grip of his tiny hands.
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the u.s when he said um you know that um what is it cleaning the pond what is it you know that
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where he got that quote from no that's mussolini so when he when he borrowed that quote from
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mussolini he was speaking to not white people in california he was speaking to the same people
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that elected reagan when reagan said when he was elected when he was nominated for the for the
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office the first time by his party. He was in Alabama and he said, I'm putting my, or Mississippi,
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I'm putting my, I'm putting my feet in the Mississippi mud, letting you know I'm with you.
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And took his shoes off and put his feet in the mud. And what that meant to Southerners was he
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hates black people. It's a coded term that meant a lot to a part of his party that he wanted to be
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loyal to him. I mean, Reagan was famously a race baiter and I think Trump is too. But hold on,
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Drain the Swamp is about Washington, it's not about the country.
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or you're right of Mussolini in the Republican Party,
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You know that when Gore Vidal called D.C. a swamp in two of his books,
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that means something to them that it doesn't mean to you
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the swamp means black people running with chains on their ankles
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It brings up imagery in their minds of all sorts of things
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and he has proven business-wise that he is at least uncomfortable
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doing business with black people because he wouldn't rent to them
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So, and that, I think that he's a horrible racist.
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Although, frankly, when you go to Manhattan now, they've pushed, there's almost no ethnic community left on the island.
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You know, even Harlem has been cleansed to the black community, like in San Francisco.
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So, I think he's trying to urbanize and Clorox the entire country.
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he wants people to live at his living standards but when you have a a capitalistic society like
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that you're gonna have a lot of losers but trump doesn't care about the losers there's no safety
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net in the u.s or it's diminishing and that's what freaks me out because i grew up with a single mom
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we lived out of a car for a while we we grew up you know my dad left my mom she didn't have a
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high school diploma she had to find a job in a way to support three kids and it was very very
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difficult when I was younger so I know what it's like to grow up without a safety net and I know
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how terrifying it is and my mom couldn't rent they didn't rent a single woman in San Francisco in
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those days we had to move far away the commute it was horrible for her and I think it's kind of
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what killed her young frankly and I think and she had a bit more support my mama might have lived
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longer but you know there isn't that not the kind you have here and do you think we're going the
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same way in this country i think with brexit maybe some of the people that felt vulnerable
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that voted for brexit are going to be the hardest hit i think we know that now and i think when you
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you know i think that the i think that the the health of any country however powerful they think
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they are is not the way they deal with the wealthy it's the way you deal with the disenfranchised in
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that country whoever they are and that's people with drug addictions or single mums or people
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that don't identify themselves through identity politics,
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and you ask that person how they identify themselves,
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is whether or not she's a Tory or in the Labour Party.
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or I can't find a job because of these ailments I have.
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She identifies herself by her circumstances,
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But when I'm in front of a room full of white middle class people
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who are telling me what their political identity is
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and how I should match that, that's when I get angry.
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Because I think you don't know my fucking story,
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And if you aren't, then you should probably fuck the fuck off.
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That Trump and Brexit are making people build fortresses around themselves.
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And you're either on our side or you're against it,
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when he bombed the Middle East in, you know,
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the early 2000s in response to the bombing in New York.
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He told Europe, you're either on a society or not.
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Frankly, I think, you know, a conservative audience,
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politically, can be fun to perform in front of.
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When I've done conferences, the Greens were good
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because they know how ridiculous they are.
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performed it's really i gotta tell you the worst gig you can ever say yes to is the haze the haze
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thing that that h-a-y-s that fucking guardian sponsored fucking i did it i oh my god oh like
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300 people in a bleacher seating fucking staring at me i'm not kidding you i have never i was
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chasing them around the stage trying to find what their what they what they would joke about what
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and some of the guys from the comedy store said,
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Did you think those people were just sanctimonious
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Because there is a section of the left, isn't there,
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told me isn't one enough isn't one enough and i said you mean one enough to destroy all the
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careers it's destroying one enough to now the bbc has to pay that guy six million six hundred
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thousand because they threw a flew a helicopter over his house and they were wrong i said i think
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it's insulting to people who actually been abused or harassed that that's your stance
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but one of them was living in London, a student here.
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And they were just, they were, oh, they were great.
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that conservatives are better able to understand
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I mean, that guy you have running that party.
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How he's not taken advantage of all of this yet.
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but I don't support him as a political body ruling Palestine I think it's
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probably a bad idea I'm not I don't support the government of Israel either
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but if you go to Tel Aviv it's a lovely place and you feel very safe as a gay
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man you know I don't feel harassed in any way
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do you think you can get away with more on stage because you're gay because you're
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Because I saw you do a bit at Comedy Unleashed,
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I don't see a straight man getting away with that.
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It seemed to me that you were also, you were making fun of Gwyneth Paltrow, and it was a very good bit.
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I don't think a straight man could get away with doing that bit on stage.
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I think the only way to show respect to that situation,
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If you think we don't, you're out of your mind.
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Also, again, growing more than a single mother,
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you know, my mom worked in a law firm at the front desk.
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But she was the person that, and all, each lawyer had their own secretary, there were eight of them.
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And they'd all, she said, I can't think of one secretary not fucking her lawyer, her boss right now.
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It can't just be something that people ignore in the press or in the media.
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It can't just be something, it can't be in the media and they're not dealt with, you know.
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So my backup story is if people come after me, I'd be like, again, you don't know.
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When I came out of university in L.A., I was working for Dick Clark, who was a TV producer.
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And we used to produce New Year's Rocking Eve in October.
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And I was a PA, the weakest, the lowest of the low on the set.
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I got out from under him because I'm 6'2", but it was difficult.
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so i i understand the abuse and harassment women women and gay men share a lot of things in common
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that's what i try to draw in that also what happened that night was the telegraph critic
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was there and she said i want to see some me too jokes she told that to andrew and she said i better
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see some me too stuff so i told some me too jokes and she reviewed me badly and said my act was mean
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but no yes i just i just yeah and i just written those me too jokes actually really was looking
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forward to doing them and then when i wanted to do that story specifically said that at the bar
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i better see some me too jokes no so she saw some and then she ignored them but the thing is
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i was glad because i had a chance to try them in front of my audience willing to hear them
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i don't know that for one i'm telling you i wouldn't do that me too stuff i don't think
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that i'm there are some clubs i wouldn't do it definitely not do it in uh and i and i was i was
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a coward about some of my stuff on saturday at the comedia maybe i should have gone all the way
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But if he were to, there's a way to do it, probably.
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I'm trying to think of a comic, someone I think, someone like, who could really, although
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trivializing it could be a problem, too, but someone who could lighten the load of it somehow.
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I can think of two or three people that might, although they probably never would because
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We're the annoying guy in the office or in the Shakespeare play.
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Playing all these clubs on the road this summer,
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For one thing, you'll get nothing out of them liking.
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I want them to like the show and play along with what I'm talking about.
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The thought of you people liking me or even talking to you after the show exhausts me.
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I don't mind doing the VIP shot where you do the photos and stuff,
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but please don't clap at me on Twitter 18 times in a row
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or like this guy stalking me from the comedian.
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I can't imagine why I'd be liked by those people.
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But I mean, is your biggest ambition to be on TV?
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I just think you've got a missing cog up there somewhere.
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Where you've forgotten along the way somehow that there's an art to what we're doing.
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It's about, again, do you have an onion in your hand?
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And you strip back layer after layer until they see the nexus, the nucleus of something.
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I don't know how people memorize their material.
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I can't figure out what they're saying half the time.
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I want to be alerted to something I didn't know before.
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But I want everyone to have a chair at the table.
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We all give someone a seat, whether we agree with them or not.
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And we shut our fucking mouths for a minute.
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if we're sitting in the audience and we listen.
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I think that's the most reactionary but also liberal thing you can do
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and let them explain to you what their point of view is.
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Otherwise, we might as well just all wrap ourselves in Tupperware and be royals
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If you want to be those, I feel so bad for those kids
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If you want to live that life, because that's what that life is,
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you want to turn yourself off from every human experience.
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So all right. Oh, that's a great way to end. Well, I mean the slit your wrist line. Yeah
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Yeah, that would have been interestingly appropriate. That's also great. That shows how your mind works
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Yeah, actually, I'm sorry I was late. No, it's all right
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It's all right. Do you want to do the the famous final question concert in what yes
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I do the question that we always ask people at the end is is there something that we ought to be talking?
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about that we're not talking about we being society not just me and francis oh right well
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if you asked me a few weeks ago i would have said kids in the cage in the u.s because they were
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they were caging those kids oh right so i thought you said cave and that's where i thought you were
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coming back to that no but there's so much stuff about trump and they were ignoring these uh people
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talked about that quite a bit though yeah eventually but you know there's about a week
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and a half we're no is that right i was like why and um and then uh oh that's been going on for
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years actually but uh i think now it's probably it's probably the um the removal the the dismantling
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of people's personal rights that the political system is your civil rights are being diminished
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which ones well in the u.s it would it's things like abortion and you write your free speech
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because Trump is trying to dismantle the free media.
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I think those two things are going to be a problem here soon, too.
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I worry about your courts and your judicial system.
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I think people have become accustomed to living on breadcrumbs.
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I think the NHS is Britain's greatest hour.
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That silly war and all that Churchill shit is bullshit.
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I think you should be thanking Adolf Hitler, really,
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instead of criticising him on the National Geographic channel.
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Because without Hitler, you wouldn't have an NHS,
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and that's the best thing Britain's ever produced, I think.
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I mean, people say they are, but are they worried about it?
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Unless you've lived in a country with no health care,
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It's absolutely terrible to watch your mother die
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My mother always said she was the funniest one.
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if you haven't been utterly depressed by this whole episode,
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you know, you could talk about these things in a comedy realm
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Well, you know what, cutting into our final bit, but actually that's why I got into comedy.
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I remember watching people like George Carlin and Bill Hicks really talk about stuff.
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And then I started doing comedy like three years ago, whatever it was.
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And I very quickly realized that's not what comedy is anymore.
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But I just find that, like you said, the audiences have gradually been trained to,
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here's the tree, here's the tree, here's the tree, this is the tree, you know?
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I might as suggest if you tour, tour with an alternative comic.
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they'll be much more open to different subject matter.
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And one is, you know, have a black female comic open for you.
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comedy scene. You will see comics working on that subject matter. I started in the black comedy scene
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in San Francisco because I couldn't find any clubs that had booked me, and black audiences were
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fantastic to me. They were very all-embracing. I didn't have to be closeted around them. They
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didn't care about any of that. They didn't care about my politics either or where I came from,
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and the comics I worked with were incredibly supportive because at the time, you know,
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Being queer was such a difficulty in 1988, 89, 90.
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You bring that up in front of a black audience,
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I found a group that you need a bit of support to
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but the promoters and producers and the club owners there's only so much you can push them
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before you get banned i know that because i i've had an experience with some of them recently
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these young people i think are fucking brilliant what were you playing oh i i've been banned from
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two clubs and one club called my employer and stuff and alerted them about how my politics
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were my comedy set and i'm like so i know you have to be you know you're powerless when you're new
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although you have your youth on your side you should utilize that as much as possible
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yeah yeah and is there anything else uh we need to plug this probably will go out after erinburgh