TRIGGERnometry - August 06, 2018


Scott Capurro on Comedy, Offence and Politics in 2018


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If you're bored of people arguing on the internet over subjects they know nothing about, at Trigonometry we don't pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts. This week, our brilliant guest is a fantastic comedian, Scott Kapuro.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissin. And this is the
00:00:12.420 show for you. If you're bored of people arguing on the internet over subjects they know nothing
00:00:16.620 about, at Trigonometry we don't pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts. Our brilliant
00:00:22.440 guest this week is a fantastic comedian, Scott Kapuro. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you very
00:00:27.180 much and the first question we always ask people is how did you get to where
00:00:40.020 you are today you've been a comedian for a long time yeah I have I am I wasn't
00:00:46.060 an actor and I was doing a play and so the people I worked with were comedians
00:00:53.280 by trade and they suggested I give it a try so I went to a club with them I tried in LA but I
00:01:00.580 didn't really well I lived in LA when I was at university I didn't really like it because I was
00:01:04.760 closeted on stage and it didn't feel right anyway once in San Francisco with this play
00:01:10.460 I went to a club and there's some openly just alternative performers on stage and I found it
00:01:17.360 inspiring lots of women performing and all sorts of double acts and stuff and then a couple of 0.89
00:01:22.880 homos and it just felt fresh comedy it felt this the scripted quality of it felt really stale to
00:01:32.300 me when I lived in Los Angeles right after I left Irvine University I just felt like what I was
00:01:39.000 watching was more of a seminar or a lecture but um I mean I was being told things by you know
00:01:47.360 middle-aged white guys and that was the days of the open-colored shirt with the sleeves pushed
00:01:52.600 up like people please everyone was copying jerry seinfeld and um i'm sure they were talented i just
00:01:58.280 didn't find it it didn't touch me in any way and then starts to go seeing these people talk openly
00:02:04.080 honestly about themselves you know at a time when politics in san francisco were really charged for
00:02:11.300 all sorts of reasons you know the age epidemic and gay rights and women's rights and it felt very 0.96
00:02:16.540 relevant and very real and very now and that excited me so that's why i started doing it and
00:02:20.280 And then I kept acting, but then I came over here to do a coming-of-age play that had elements
00:02:26.420 of stand-up in it, and it won the newcomer, and then I just stayed on and off for the
00:02:32.520 next 24 years.
00:02:34.060 I just started getting a lot of work as a comic.
00:02:35.960 I had no intention of living or working full-time as a stand-up at all, and I'd been in a few
00:02:41.180 films and I was going to pursue that, but the comedy thing just sort of took over.
00:02:46.220 I liked not having to audition.
00:02:47.960 I liked working when I wanted to work and traveling when I wanted to travel.
00:02:52.500 And when you're young and you start comedy and they're tossing you from festival to festival,
00:02:57.440 it feels exciting because you're meeting new people every couple of months
00:03:01.880 and you're going to countries you could have never even thought of going to before,
00:03:05.300 especially as a work assignment, because that's exciting,
00:03:08.700 because you're meeting people who live and work there.
00:03:10.900 So I traveled before that, but that kind of traveling was more interesting to me.
00:03:14.340 and you feel as though you take part wherever you are.
00:03:19.720 You're not just taking something as a tourist.
00:03:21.180 You're actually adding as a comic in South Africa or Australia
00:03:24.660 or New Zealand or Hong Kong.
00:03:26.320 All those places are so glamorous.
00:03:28.260 But I probably would have never got off my couch
00:03:30.960 and planned to go there if I hadn't been sent there for it.
00:03:34.740 And have you seen comedy change since that time?
00:03:38.100 Or have you seen it regress in some ways or adapt?
00:03:41.680 You know, I mean, I think, from what I can see, because I mostly close shows, so I see, you know, the ends of shows.
00:03:55.520 I don't really, unless I'm working clubs out of town, I've seen a lot of actually new comics recently.
00:04:00.240 I've been really inspired by the storytelling and the narrative aspect, which I thought had been kind of lost for a while.
00:04:05.560 because i play places like you know i play mainstream clubs now uh mainstream to me but
00:04:11.260 maybe they're still alternative in a way they're not working men's clubs but there's something
00:04:15.200 there's an expectation for someone closing a show like that or even on the bill that you have to be
00:04:19.780 kind of joke driven and it's got to be bam bam bam bam you don't want to slow down or or the
00:04:26.640 temptation is to perform for the staff if you work there a lot because the bar staff get bored and
00:04:30.860 they're like are you gonna do that grenfell tower material and you know and then you do it and then
00:04:36.400 you never get the audience you never get the audience back and then you leave you know you
00:04:40.380 leave stage five minutes early you go to get paid and the guy who owns the club's like i can't pay
00:04:44.440 you get into your time what i did he said you know you're not working for the bar staff you're
00:04:48.800 working for me so don't take suggestions from the next time that didn't happen to me but happened
00:04:52.480 to a friend and it was a good story for me to hear but but i do sort of you know i've been
00:04:57.100 booking a lot of solo shows on the road not just to prepare for edinburgh but also because i want
00:05:01.640 the stage time because i want the chance to open up to an audience and see where they're at what's
00:05:08.920 going on locally and not just rush through it's not rush but you know it does become a bit a bit
00:05:14.660 rote because the audience wants jokes i mean i was the comedia this weekend and it's a great club
00:05:21.180 I mean, it's fine.
00:05:22.780 But the late show on Saturday can be a bit circumspect.
00:05:26.760 It's a much lesser price.
00:05:28.500 It usually gets a room, apparently, of drunken students, which I was looking forward to, actually.
00:05:34.060 Because I do a lot of universities in the U.S., and despite what I hear from other headliners, I like university campuses.
00:05:40.160 I think they're exciting.
00:05:41.080 I think these kids are really politically driven.
00:05:43.440 I think they know a lot about what's going on around them.
00:05:45.040 I think the social media online has really engaged them.
00:05:48.780 They feel a part of the world around them.
00:05:50.460 When I went to university, we all felt like we were in a bubble a little bit.
00:05:53.100 We wanted that, actually.
00:05:54.100 We wanted, you know, to party and take drugs and not really be involved with what was going on out there.
00:05:58.020 But now I think young people between the ages of 18 and 25 really want to be a part of...
00:06:04.160 I mean, the politics going on in the U.S. right now show that, and here.
00:06:06.400 So anyway, I enjoy it, and I look forward to it Saturday.
00:06:09.900 The shows have been great going up to that.
00:06:11.820 The other comics weren't really talking to me very much, and I thought I'd made people angry. 0.98
00:06:15.920 This happens sometimes when I just think, you know, does she fucking hate me? 0.85
00:06:20.500 Because I'm in a green room with some female comic book. 1.00
00:06:22.740 I'm engaging her, asking her so many questions about herself.
00:06:25.680 And my husband has to do this to get me to stop talking because I haven't realized that she hasn't asked me one question about myself yet. 0.99
00:06:31.700 Because what does she give a shit? 1.00
00:06:32.660 She's 23. 1.00
00:06:33.480 I'm 55.
00:06:34.460 I'm her dad's age or older.
00:06:36.040 And she doesn't care anything about who I am or what I'm doing.
00:06:38.780 And I just think comics are meant to be chatting.
00:06:41.460 Anyway, so I spent a whole weekend not talking to anyone backstage.
00:06:44.340 But the shows have been going well, and I went out late show Saturday,
00:06:49.980 and I did a bunch of news about Thai boys, and I lost them.
00:06:53.980 In the first four minutes, I lost them talking about Thai boys stuffed in a cave.
00:06:58.760 And I thought, it was okay now because they're fine.
00:07:02.140 But I said something about, you know, you can understand why the family's upset when that happens
00:07:07.140 because it's like losing a sewing machine.
00:07:08.340 All right, so if anyone who missed the story, some Thai young footballer's got stuck in a cave.
00:07:12.940 Yeah, anyway, the Thai boys are in a cave. 0.86
00:07:13.560 Some people miss the story.
00:07:14.420 The Thai boys are in a cave.
00:07:18.080 In case you were in a cave, the Thai boys are in a cave. 1.00
00:07:20.200 You're right.
00:07:20.740 But the audience obviously knew what I was talking about, right?
00:07:24.040 And I said some other jokes about Thai boys. 1.00
00:07:25.860 Anyway, some guy just took me on.
00:07:29.000 He's grooming me on Twitter right now.
00:07:31.620 He's stalking me on Twitter.
00:07:33.080 Really?
00:07:33.540 Yeah, currently.
00:07:34.600 And I don't mind.
00:07:36.880 People can say, you know what I mean?
00:07:38.120 It's like I dealt with him, but he poisoned the room.
00:07:40.700 Or our interaction did.
00:07:42.180 I was quite harsh
00:07:43.440 with him
00:07:43.900 so just to clarify
00:07:44.840 so what
00:07:45.420 so what actually
00:07:46.440 happened
00:07:46.780 I was closing the show
00:07:48.140 there were two comics on
00:07:49.060 I walked out to close it
00:07:50.420 it was late
00:07:50.860 around midnight
00:07:51.460 yeah
00:07:51.840 and the expectation is
00:07:53.600 it's 70
00:07:54.800 instead of 250
00:07:56.080 like they usually
00:07:56.760 pack them in
00:07:57.320 in the comedian
00:07:57.940 there were 70 people
00:07:59.000 in there
00:07:59.240 and I said wow
00:07:59.760 this is nice
00:08:00.840 it's intimate
00:08:01.220 the previous show
00:08:01.740 they packed them in
00:08:02.260 like Thai boys 1.00
00:08:02.760 in the cave
00:08:03.300 and I said
00:08:06.020 I mean the real
00:08:07.140 the people I felt bad
00:08:08.740 for was their clients
00:08:09.800 they've flown 5,000 miles
00:08:10.980 He's trying not to laugh and looking down at his feet right now.
00:08:14.180 And their clients be so horny.
00:08:15.500 Anyway, so you've got to get the little ones working.
00:08:19.040 Anyway, they're all fine, and now everyone's eating again.
00:08:21.620 The point is, I said that, and the crowd went a bit quiet.
00:08:25.280 And there are two people from, this is what I mean,
00:08:26.800 there are two people from Hong Kong in the front row,
00:08:29.000 and they've been identified as being from Hong Kong.
00:08:30.620 There were a couple.
00:08:31.420 And I started talking about, oh, I've been heckled recently
00:08:33.580 by someone from China.
00:08:34.400 Maybe you know him.
00:08:35.060 now from the audience 0.99
00:08:38.220 in fucking 0.99
00:08:39.640 cunting middle class Brighton 1.00
00:08:41.120 all those ethnic conservatives with no minority friends 0.64
00:08:43.840 of their own have you been to Brighton lately
00:08:45.540 it's very very white and by the way
00:08:47.980 the G from LGBT has been 1.00
00:08:49.960 removed because gay men are men 1.00
00:08:52.080 so they've taken the G out 0.97
00:08:53.820 I'm just telling you it's no longer a wild card I can play
00:08:56.120 especially with gay and lesbian 1.00
00:08:58.100 and transgender audiences they're the worst 1.00
00:09:00.140 but middle class people in Brighton 0.99
00:09:01.980 have heard the word that we're no longer
00:09:04.260 alternative. So, I'm playing
00:09:06.320 to a room full of people that think I'm like them.
00:09:08.460 Right? Yeah. So, they start
00:09:10.360 to turn. It's like, no! I got...
00:09:11.980 No! No! No! And I brought that show.
00:09:14.120 No! And the Chinese people are fucking lying. 1.00
00:09:16.460 She's a bit grouchy, arms crossed. But, you know, 1.00
00:09:18.080 they were fine. Yeah. They didn't
00:09:20.240 need anyone to defend them.
00:09:22.400 But between that and this cut
00:09:24.120 with the... Ah, by the way,
00:09:26.140 after he heckled me, more jokes
00:09:28.120 and I slammed him five times
00:09:30.360 in a row, he passed out.
00:09:32.320 Passed out. So, when
00:09:33.340 Was that the force of the put-downs or the alcohol?
00:09:36.500 Oh, yeah, whatever.
00:09:36.900 When the security fired him over to tap his arm,
00:09:38.840 they woke him up.
00:09:40.600 So I said, I'd hoped you,
00:09:43.040 they'd know what chucked you, 1.00
00:09:43.900 I'd hoped you were fucking dead, you cunt. 1.00
00:09:46.220 And it was that tone of the room 1.00
00:09:49.240 that I had to now complete the show.
00:09:53.540 It was 12.15 by then,
00:09:55.120 and they were really, really hammered.
00:09:57.080 And I've got to not just close the show,
00:09:58.440 but close the show,
00:09:59.120 because the host had left and said,
00:10:00.200 can you finish off the show?
00:10:01.660 And I thought, well, since we're finishing,
00:10:02.680 let's just finish now
00:10:03.560 so I closed it
00:10:04.500 in about 18 minutes
00:10:05.280 and I said
00:10:05.540 I told the audience
00:10:06.440 this is what you get
00:10:07.660 when you behave that way
00:10:08.880 you get this show
00:10:10.080 next time
00:10:10.860 go to a club
00:10:11.400 thinking I might want to laugh
00:10:12.860 because when you
00:10:13.520 I said
00:10:14.120 if you go to a comedy club
00:10:16.400 by nature 1.00
00:10:16.800 you're a cunt 1.00
00:10:17.440 the comics think that by the way 1.00
00:10:18.640 because you can't amuse yourself
00:10:19.580 but if you then go
00:10:20.680 and you're offended
00:10:21.800 you should blow off 0.89
00:10:22.600 your own pumpkin head 0.96
00:10:23.260 at sunrise
00:10:23.600 because things are only
00:10:24.280 going to get worse for you tomorrow
00:10:25.260 good night
00:10:25.940 so
00:10:27.940 I just 0.99
00:10:29.220 I fucking had it 0.98
00:10:30.900 I was tired 0.99
00:10:31.920 it was hot
00:10:32.520 i know but you know if you don't scream no at the comic don't yell no it's not about your 0.98
00:10:42.760 boundaries no one knows you no one gives a shit what offends you you're over there i'm over here 0.94
00:10:49.740 the lights are pointed this way i have the mic and the mic stand if you don't like it do it two 0.98
00:10:53.560 people actually did get up angrily scream at me grab your jackets and walk out angrily scream at
00:10:59.080 me what what have i possibly said that would elicit that sort of response nothing i wish i had
00:11:04.980 i felt i wasn't rough enough on them i kind of felt bad leaving early i should have stayed up 0.95
00:11:09.260 there and done the grenfell tower material i just fucking watched them just one by one walk out 0.92
00:11:14.800 but i i just you know at this point now i just i don't see the point of fighting that battle
00:11:20.400 i also don't want to turn people away from from that club the comedian is trying to you know is
00:11:24.360 yeah probably like every other comedy club in the country struggling to keep people i mean i from
00:11:27.880 what I can tell they're doing well. I think it's a great club. A lot of people do. A lot
00:11:30.880 of comics think it's the best club in the country. I think it's wonderful. You know,
00:11:33.760 you get to go to Brighton, you have a nice weekend. They put you up. They're really
00:11:36.140 generous. It's a great gig. I wanted it to go. I was really thrilled because I got there
00:11:40.520 on Friday night and the comics were complaining about the crowd. I thought that we had a nine
00:11:44.580 Welsh stag party in. I love a good stag party. I think they're fantastic. There's a way to
00:11:49.700 play a stag party. Hen parties are a bit, they can be touchy because with stags, you
00:11:54.000 can fuck with the stag you know make fun of him and the guys love it yeah oh yeah that's what 0.99
00:11:58.100 and they'll join in that's what they want yeah that's why they're there with hens you can't make 1.00
00:12:02.060 fun of the bride you can't call her fat or stupid because you do that the hen's all getting up on 0.99
00:12:05.900 you right yeah yeah especially with this voice right or really any male uh harassing a woman 0.99
00:12:12.180 people don't want to see it that's and that's fine but this stag guy was welsh i've got a load
00:12:16.040 of welsh material i did it all and then i i knew his name so i kept calling back to it yeah and 0.93
00:12:20.340 They fucking, they loved it. 0.88
00:12:21.940 Yeah. 0.99
00:12:22.320 So, oddly on Sunday when I was leaving, one of the comics on the bill I ran into at the
00:12:27.220 train station, he was really nice to me.
00:12:28.780 And I think he's just been distracted all weekend.
00:12:30.180 He's a great guy.
00:12:30.680 He's a really good comic, actually.
00:12:32.260 And he took me to breakfast.
00:12:33.480 And I thought, why is he being nice to me now?
00:12:35.080 Oh, it's because I failed last night.
00:12:37.560 He said he'd left the building.
00:12:39.600 That's why I didn't say goodnight.
00:12:40.360 But as I'm describing the late show, he said, yeah, I saw it.
00:12:43.080 I'm like, so you were there.
00:12:44.240 I think he was waiting for me to lie about it, like most comics would.
00:12:47.000 Yeah.
00:12:47.380 But I don't.
00:12:48.760 And he said, you know, you've got nothing to prove.
00:12:50.340 It's fine.
00:12:50.820 And I said, well, now you think that. 1.00
00:12:52.380 And now you like me because I fucked up. 0.94
00:12:54.200 Because the two shows before I had done really well, and I closed them. 0.97
00:12:57.040 And I guess that's seen as intimidation.
00:12:58.880 I don't know.
00:12:59.800 I don't know why anyone responds the way they do to anything.
00:13:02.180 I say to a lot of comics on the road, hey, what are you guys doing this weekend?
00:13:04.960 Oh, I'm working on material in my room.
00:13:06.680 Well, I can't wait to see the way that reflects itself.
00:13:08.940 And you're set tomorrow night.
00:13:10.100 And then I watch the set, and it's the same schtick in the same place to the same seat.
00:13:14.880 And that's fine.
00:13:16.060 I don't care.
00:13:16.760 But it's like, well, let's go to a movie or have a drink or go to dinner or something.
00:13:20.340 It's Cardiff, there's nothing else to do.
00:13:23.000 But no one wants to socialize with me. 1.00
00:13:24.580 I guess because I'm a cunt. 1.00
00:13:25.680 I guess. 1.00
00:13:26.460 I don't know.
00:13:27.420 Well, I was going to say, you've demonstrated some of it already,
00:13:30.440 but I was going to say, do you think of yourself as an edgy comic?
00:13:32.860 Do you think you're edgy?
00:13:33.840 I just, you know, when you asked this comedy change,
00:13:37.280 it came to mind that when I first came over,
00:13:39.260 and this maybe, maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly,
00:13:41.860 but when I first came over, especially the Edinburgh Fringe,
00:13:43.600 because in those days, comics, most of us,
00:13:47.100 when we lost money, our management took a hit.
00:13:48.800 so a lot of comedians
00:13:49.980 took a lot more chances
00:13:50.880 you saw a lot more
00:13:51.700 double acts
00:13:52.140 there were more women 1.00
00:13:53.100 on the circuit then
00:13:53.840 really?
00:13:54.720 oh yeah
00:13:55.340 really?
00:13:56.180 yeah yeah yeah
00:13:56.680 I mean
00:13:57.060 young women now is good 0.99
00:13:59.000 because of the
00:14:00.580 what's happened
00:14:01.640 over the last few years
00:14:02.300 has really pushed
00:14:02.920 young women up
00:14:03.500 yeah
00:14:03.700 but for
00:14:04.800 there was like
00:14:05.780 10 or 12 years
00:14:06.500 there were almost
00:14:07.140 no women on the circuit 1.00
00:14:08.060 and when I first came over
00:14:09.000 there were absolutely
00:14:09.620 no openly gay comics
00:14:11.160 on the circuit
00:14:12.020 when was this called?
00:14:13.160 this was 94, 95
00:14:14.360 Julian was too famous
00:14:15.960 to do the circuit by then
00:14:16.960 way too famous
00:14:17.620 and that weird thing
00:14:18.540 It just happened on TV for him anyway.
00:14:19.900 He wouldn't have gone back on the circuit.
00:14:20.780 And there was nobody else.
00:14:21.620 I'm not saying there weren't gay people.
00:14:23.560 I mean openly once.
00:14:24.700 There's no one talking about it on stage, which was a benefit to me.
00:14:27.920 I don't understand why some comics complain about their gender now
00:14:30.680 or their ethnicity as being a problem.
00:14:32.420 It never is.
00:14:33.260 It sets you apart.
00:14:34.060 It's always a good thing to be different.
00:14:35.660 At least it was that there were a lot of different people then.
00:14:38.500 I mean, a lot of the larger clubs needed to sell, sell, sell
00:14:42.860 because the competition kicked up in the late 90s or late 2000s.
00:14:45.600 And so the shows became less of a rocking boat is the only way I can describe it.
00:14:50.020 It became less, I wouldn't say, it became more consistent in the performance you saw.
00:14:55.480 There wasn't, I wouldn't say that chances weren't being taken because comedy is always a risk.
00:15:02.140 It's not an easy way to make a living for anybody.
00:15:04.460 But I think what I did see was a lot more of a steady sail in every show I was performing in.
00:15:09.700 And the expectations on, at least I think on me, at least my management told me this,
00:15:15.020 was that I'd be as consistent as possible.
00:15:18.280 And to me, I felt as though I had to hit a hit every time.
00:15:21.280 Now, my husband works in the comedy club,
00:15:22.740 so I know from him, from his experiences with the owner,
00:15:25.620 who stands behind the bar with him and watches a lot of comedy,
00:15:27.940 it doesn't matter who you are.
00:15:29.460 If that club owner does not hear a laugh consistently every 15 seconds,
00:15:34.400 you're not going to get invited back.
00:15:36.200 You just won't.
00:15:36.660 Do you think people have become more sensitive over your time in this country?
00:15:40.600 That might have happened because of social media and constant influx.
00:15:43.200 But that's not necessarily a bad thing.
00:15:45.360 I'm not saying it is, but do you think it has changed?
00:15:47.400 Maybe, but you can prick at their sensibilities a bit more.
00:15:49.860 I think also comics have gotten older,
00:15:52.400 and their financial responsibilities have become greater.
00:15:54.760 They have kids now, they've got mortgages,
00:15:56.480 and they're less, I think, willing to take risks on comedy stages.
00:16:02.280 And maybe they never did.
00:16:03.580 Maybe that was never part of who they were,
00:16:05.620 but certainly they're not going to do it now.
00:16:07.480 And I think young people choose comedy now
00:16:09.540 like the way people choose law or medicine.
00:16:13.160 Like I described, you used to fall into it.
00:16:15.600 You never thought you'd be, you never chose it.
00:16:17.840 It just sort of happened to you for a lot of people.
00:16:19.920 People lived on boats or on the beach or slept on couches.
00:16:22.200 They didn't really, you know.
00:16:23.520 But now young people choose it.
00:16:25.960 And I think the exposure on TV and whatever, they see, they're myopic about their career path.
00:16:31.840 They want something specific and certain.
00:16:33.620 They want to be on BBC One on Saturday nights or they want to have a panel show or they want to be a compare.
00:16:38.740 And to do that, when they, their management, certain management companies kind of encompass them.
00:16:47.480 They, you know, take them to their shows and they watch them closely and they shape them, they form them.
00:16:52.900 And that seems to me to be sort of a different strategy than what I was accustomed to when I first started.
00:16:59.400 So, yeah, I think all of it's changed.
00:17:01.620 But the reason I'm asking you about whether people have become more sensitive is you clearly went into that gig that you've been talking about, right?
00:17:07.880 with an expectation that the Thai boy material or whatever
00:17:10.720 would be acceptable.
00:17:12.100 So there might have been a point, is what I'm getting at,
00:17:14.280 that would have been a point in some way in your career
00:17:16.660 where you would have gone to a gig,
00:17:19.100 you would have done that material,
00:17:20.240 and you would have felt absolutely safe to do it.
00:17:22.440 And I thought I was safe in Brighton as a gay man
00:17:24.620 doing something alternative at midnight.
00:17:26.300 I couldn't imagine that people...
00:17:29.900 Right, you're right.
00:17:31.220 But, you know, I have a lack of a stop button.
00:17:35.920 I don't have an off switch.
00:17:39.700 I could have gone on stage and done the set I'd done in the previous show,
00:17:43.200 which would have worked perfectly well.
00:17:44.860 But I thought I want to do something fresh, a bit different.
00:17:48.640 I want to do some of my Edinburgh Fringe material.
00:17:51.380 I want to do stuff about gun control.
00:17:53.700 I did tell a gun control joke that got absolutely no response.
00:17:58.520 What was the joke?
00:17:59.940 Well, it's more of a set-up. 0.99
00:18:00.940 But I say, I'm American, but don't worry, I'm not a cunt. 0.97
00:18:06.260 I mean, you know, I own a gun, but that's because I believe in gun control, 0.99
00:18:11.000 and I want to win the fucking argument for a change. 0.97
00:18:14.200 So it's a joke about what I do with my gun and how I don't really fire it. 0.99
00:18:17.860 Anyway, so, and they just fucking stared at me. 0.98
00:18:20.800 Now, it might have been just because it was late, and they enjoyed the joke. 0.98
00:18:23.920 But I think the whole thing, I could have had them,
00:18:26.660 had that interchange with that unhappy person,
00:18:29.660 those people storming out,
00:18:30.900 and then the Chinese,
00:18:31.580 had that not all happened.
00:18:33.240 But, you know, 18 minutes in,
00:18:34.820 I had soured that room.
00:18:38.280 And I'm not going to blame.
00:18:40.160 I've never, ever blamed an audience. 0.98
00:18:42.720 And I'm not going to fucking start now.
00:18:44.500 My job is to make my material accessible 0.93
00:18:46.680 to a room full of strangers.
00:18:48.800 It's not babysitting so much
00:18:50.540 as opening up their minds 0.87
00:18:52.560 about the way gay men behave, 0.92
00:18:54.120 changing their minds.
00:18:55.720 Because we're not just all there to decorate Brighton.
00:18:58.020 Some of us are there for other reasons.
00:18:59.200 So I want them to see that and to enjoy it.
00:19:03.440 And they had up until that moment.
00:19:05.040 And I think, you know, I think when you ask me, things change.
00:19:08.480 I think you're asking me, have audiences' sensitivities become more tender?
00:19:15.120 And about certain things they have, I think one good thing is I'm less likely to get, you know,
00:19:23.600 tattooed forearms crossed in Birmingham
00:19:26.180 with a glee when I walk out and say I'm queer
00:19:27.780 because that used to happen 10 or 15 years ago
00:19:30.080 but that doesn't happen now 0.99
00:19:31.180 they don't give a shit, especially young people 0.99
00:19:33.580 young people assume that gay men and women 1.00
00:19:36.120 have always been able to get married
00:19:37.060 have always been able to join the military
00:19:38.200 those things are not issues to them
00:19:40.740 so they'll cooperate with you on those subjects
00:19:44.080 and you have to find a different way
00:19:46.040 to make them funny if you want to
00:19:47.440 I think the challenge has always
00:19:50.140 been there to
00:19:51.280 if you're a comic like me
00:19:54.560 to find out what people's
00:19:56.440 sensitivities are and
00:19:58.040 elicit laughter from those and try 0.76
00:20:00.640 to illuminate their own hypocrisy
00:20:02.140 I mean like I say people fragile
00:20:04.560 about ethnic minorities and
00:20:06.380 I can bet that most of that
00:20:08.580 room in Brighton 0.92
00:20:09.900 doesn't have a close black friend
00:20:12.680 now whether that's true or not
00:20:14.140 it's funny for me to point that out
00:20:16.120 and point out what that could actually mean
00:20:17.960 I mean you know
00:20:20.360 I only read The Guardian for the typos
00:20:22.480 but I understand reading it
00:20:24.440 that people
00:20:26.580 they want to be engaged
00:20:28.780 and involved in current
00:20:30.680 political situations
00:20:32.560 so I don't see
00:20:34.640 how I can stand on a stage in front of strangers
00:20:36.440 for 25 minutes and not give them the chance
00:20:38.620 to be engaged in what I think of
00:20:40.020 about the political situation
00:20:42.360 right now
00:20:42.860 you know when it's funny
00:20:45.240 I did a show
00:20:46.280 in North London recently
00:20:48.860 And there was an American couple in the front row from the South.
00:20:52.080 But they were posh Americans. 0.98
00:20:53.600 They spoke well, and they owned guns, and they voted for Trump.
00:20:57.940 And they were not shy about telling us those things,
00:21:02.360 although they knew at first to not tell me.
00:21:04.200 They knew enough.
00:21:04.700 They'd been here long enough as tourists.
00:21:06.260 But then they decided to tell me.
00:21:07.760 And that was a room full of left-leaning Jews and these two people.
00:21:11.700 And they were about my age, and they were white.
00:21:13.860 And I know how to talk to these people. 0.97
00:21:15.140 the room that the British got tenser and fucking tenser because what I was doing was making fun of 0.96
00:21:22.480 them to their face but they weren't getting it I was performing to them for the rest of the room 0.98
00:21:27.340 and I was complimenting them I was I was I was flirting with them to make them think not that
00:21:34.500 I agree with them but what they were saying was okay and the rest of the room was completely
00:21:38.040 horrified with what they were saying right but it was making them tenser and tenser and I couldn't
00:21:44.020 tell what they were angry about but if you're not on the edge of your seat in a comedy show i don't 0.98
00:21:49.200 know why the fuck you're there are you there to have a mirror held up to you to show you how great 0.99
00:21:52.900 you are because that's why i don't perform in gay and lesbian clubs because that's what they want 1.00
00:21:56.260 and i'd rather chew on ground glass and perform at fucking at a club in south london and wave my 1.00
00:22:00.880 fist around say how great gay people are i don't give a shit about that if you want that then hire 1.00
00:22:06.020 a fucking tranny or a fucking a diva or a drag queen hire those people because that's what they'll 1.00
00:22:10.440 do for you. But that's not what I do. If you want that, get a juggler, go to a children's party. 1.00
00:22:15.500 But this, you're in a comedy club in 2018. And my president has just tried to have a coup in your
00:22:22.380 country. He's just tried to dismantle your governmental structure in three days. And he
00:22:29.180 almost did it. That's how weak your political system is right now. Does any of this mean anything
00:22:34.220 to you? So while I'm talking to them about Trump, you know, I'm talking about your prime minister
00:22:39.460 and the political situation here
00:22:40.660 and stuff
00:22:41.000 and they were laughing about it
00:22:42.640 about how casual all is
00:22:43.680 oh yeah people here
00:22:44.880 should buy guns
00:22:45.620 they should
00:22:46.020 we've been on the tube
00:22:46.820 and all
00:22:47.580 and the audience
00:22:48.260 you know
00:22:50.020 it was hilarious
00:22:51.020 what a great
00:22:52.100 what a goldmine
00:22:53.020 what a chance for them
00:22:54.320 you know
00:22:54.780 I try to take advantage of that
00:22:55.820 but don't you think
00:22:56.660 that there is
00:22:57.660 I've seen it more and more
00:22:59.360 and I gig quite a lot
00:23:00.680 to younger people
00:23:02.560 and I see it
00:23:03.180 and now that I'm 36
00:23:04.100 I see it in people
00:23:05.220 in their mid-twenties
00:23:06.560 their early twenties
00:23:07.280 certain words
00:23:08.060 they tense up
00:23:08.860 and the shutters
00:23:09.840 come down
00:23:10.320 I used to do this bit
00:23:11.480 about my mum
00:23:12.100 supporting Trump
00:23:12.980 and how she's a
00:23:14.260 disabled Latin American
00:23:15.220 woman 0.99
00:23:15.540 and I'm just like
00:23:17.120 you know
00:23:17.460 you like him
00:23:18.180 but he don't 0.99
00:23:18.620 fucking like you 0.99
00:23:19.360 and then a bit 1.00
00:23:21.060 about how
00:23:21.500 right and left
00:23:22.540 used to come
00:23:22.960 together
00:23:23.840 that bit used to
00:23:24.940 kill
00:23:25.120 I can't do that 0.99
00:23:26.140 bit anymore
00:23:26.600 the moment I say
00:23:27.600 the word Trump
00:23:28.300 everybody holds
00:23:29.960 bang
00:23:30.320 well he's a bit
00:23:31.040 of a downer
00:23:31.640 he is
00:23:31.960 I have to say
00:23:32.460 it's hard with him
00:23:34.320 because
00:23:34.800 you know
00:23:36.200 he's on the front
00:23:36.700 page of every
00:23:37.240 newspaper
00:23:37.540 he's the most
00:23:38.060 famous person in the world i think people are afraid he's going to win in 2020 probably well
00:23:40.980 yeah and i think people just they're just they're sick of it it might have been that response well
00:23:46.440 but i know what you mean about young people they do claim although i think it's all hype to have
00:23:51.020 trigger words and they do claim that um you know they want safe space and all that but if in the
00:24:00.740 first few minutes of your act like one technique i try to master although i'm not good at it yet
00:24:06.260 I'm trying to get a friend of mine is to dispel all of that the first five minutes so that we can
00:24:10.220 kind of move on if you can let them know that what a safe space actually is and what feminism 1.00
00:24:17.660 actually is because they're because some of them are too stupid to know what it means and um and 0.99
00:24:23.380 they think they know what a trigger word is but they don't so if you can tell them what democracy 1.00
00:24:27.060 actually is and what it would look like if they were actually practicing it and how miserable
00:24:31.340 they be then if you can get that all out of the way then they might cooperate i'm i'm worried
00:24:38.620 about edinburgh i have to be honest with you i am why because i'm fucking dreading it already 0.89
00:24:44.900 because um i mean i love the fringe it's kind of it shaped me as a comic in the first few years i
00:24:50.200 was here um and i'm not it's not for the reason some people are about the expense of all that we
00:24:55.820 take off that's all our decisions but I'm doing this thing with Bob Slayer
00:25:01.340 where you know people pay seven pounds online but there are extra seats I go up
00:25:05.060 to the bar upstairs and say they're empty seats if anyone's come down watch
00:25:07.460 the show and let me pass the bucket at the end but I don't know that I want I
00:25:10.580 don't know that I want let's just people that don't know what I do in that room 0.99
00:25:14.180 I don't want to spend a half hour on them working out there fucking fuck off 1.00
00:25:18.260 with your sensitivities and your sensibilities and you're drunk and loud 0.99
00:25:21.740 I'm on a 920 your loudish behavior it's not fair to the people who've paid
00:25:25.380 actually. Even if they're only 10 or 12, they've actually paid them. They want to
00:25:29.140 see what I have to say. I don't want to deal with those fucking bald cunts in 1.00
00:25:33.420 the back who couldn't wait to get away from their wives. Or five women in a pack 1.00
00:25:37.480 who've been out shopping on the island or sunburned and too tired to listen. Or
00:25:41.340 whatever. Or 25 year old who thinks they know anything. I just I don't I don't
00:25:48.000 want. The show isn't about you. At Ritz's 9-11 they all think their opinions are of
00:25:53.280 equal importance but they're incorrect unless they're on stage you want to write a check for 1.00
00:25:56.880 three grand get this room then fucking do it next year but for now shut your cunt but no one tells 1.00
00:26:01.240 people no anymore that's a problem to me no one says to them you might be wrong have you actually 1.00
00:26:07.660 asked yourself the question do i know anything because really it's about the questions and not 0.98
00:26:12.620 your fucking answers because nobody really gives a shit about your personal experience i mean my 0.99
00:26:18.060 problem with twitter is not the comics go on in her ass it's that they don't do it in a funny way 1.00
00:26:22.800 because your job is to write jokes about it, 0.98
00:26:25.420 not to tell me about, oh, in the second half of your show, 1.00
00:26:28.800 how you've been raped. 0.99
00:26:30.040 How is that my problem? 0.99
00:26:31.460 Why isn't this funny?
00:26:32.580 Why should I feel uncomfortable in your presence?
00:26:34.860 Why have you kidnapped me, locked the door,
00:26:37.700 and put me in this room to listen to your griping?
00:26:40.200 It's like, this is not, why am I pretending to enjoy this?
00:26:44.620 Why, why, why?
00:26:46.860 I just think if there's a narrative attached to it
00:26:50.680 that makes it interesting, then that's great. 0.97
00:26:52.280 And honestly, my first Edinburgh show where I won all that shit, it wasn't necessarily that funny. 0.94
00:26:58.620 I mean, you know, I think I had the narrative, that thing where you admit things to an audience, where you kidnap them. 0.96
00:27:07.200 I knew that's what I was doing when I was 30 years old.
00:27:09.540 I knew that those people couldn't leave the room because I was the first queer they'd ever sat in a room with and listened to tell a few jokes.
00:27:14.420 But really, that whole show is about my first sexual experience with my cousin in a trailer in California the summer Elvis had died.
00:27:21.620 that was what that show was about
00:27:23.300 and it wasn't funny
00:27:25.000 that wasn't funny at all 0.99
00:27:26.740 and they fucking stayed 0.99
00:27:28.020 because they felt an obligation to 1.00
00:27:29.420 I knew that
00:27:30.060 I knew I had them hogtied
00:27:31.620 I knew I did
00:27:32.180 and I've done that now
00:27:35.040 and what I'd like to do now
00:27:36.120 is I'm using an entertaining audience
00:27:37.480 for 55 minutes
00:27:38.840 because to me that's more of a challenge
00:27:40.200 but whatever you do
00:27:42.140 you know
00:27:42.780 don't assume when you go to a show
00:27:45.140 that that comic is actually there
00:27:47.320 to make you feel better
00:27:48.180 about who you are
00:27:49.860 so you sang
00:27:51.360 essentially that audiences have become more entitled well listen i really admire people that 0.98
00:27:58.260 make the sacrifice to go to live performance because i oftentimes don't i can't fucking be 0.96
00:28:02.840 bothered to you know but um but i you know what i say to people if they want if they ask me when
00:28:09.320 they see a flower show i see your show to me it's like what my yoga teacher tells me which is just
00:28:13.520 come with an open mind and an open heart that's all you got to do uh if you have any preconceived
00:28:18.620 notions about how things should be or whether performances
00:28:20.760 leave them outside. And believe me
00:28:22.880 I spend a lot of the show
00:28:24.600 every five or seven minutes reminding
00:28:26.660 them that. So I give them a lot of
00:28:28.600 red flags. And if
00:28:30.480 by the end they feel in some way
00:28:32.480 cheated
00:28:34.440 or, I don't know, harassed
00:28:36.460 I kind of think that's their problem.
00:28:38.760 I think if someone feels
00:28:39.960 if in an audience someone feels offended it's usually their
00:28:44.620 problem. I don't know them.
00:28:46.420 That's why I was asking about her sensitive
00:28:48.200 to because i'm from russia and i tell the story sometimes on stage about someone saying to me go
00:28:53.340 back to russia you packy right and the asian that's quite a that's quite a lot of boxes 1.00
00:28:58.580 and it's always the asian people that laugh the most and it's always the white people that look
00:29:05.560 around to make sure it's safe and and i always wonder what that's about i know you know i know
00:29:12.420 you mean I I tell the audience my husband's black in the first few minutes
00:29:17.540 of the show I used to I don't know and part of the reason is I can drop the
00:29:22.080 n-bomb about five times during the set and um because I do do you think of
00:29:29.500 yourself as an edgy comedian well what is edgy really I mean you know I think
00:29:36.000 My husband gets asked, he has accents from Brazil, what's your background?
00:29:47.160 And in Britain, people mean, you know, what are you?
00:29:49.380 And in Brazil, it's an offensive question.
00:29:51.280 So he just tells people now, I'm black. 0.99
00:29:54.760 And that shuts them the fuck up. 0.99
00:29:56.620 They don't ask any more questions. 1.00
00:29:58.580 Because people in this country are afraid of black people.
00:30:02.020 I'm from the U.S. 0.97
00:30:02.760 I'm not afraid of black people.
00:30:04.000 I lived in an integrated city when I was younger.
00:30:06.480 You think people are afraid of black people?
00:30:07.640 Terrified.
00:30:08.260 And I think that no one knows how to... 0.97
00:30:10.560 White people don't know how to talk to black people in this country at all. 0.96
00:30:14.120 All young people know how to do is impersonate them. 0.99
00:30:16.100 If they can. 0.98
00:30:16.920 And it's a pathetic attempt with all that stuff that young people try to do. 0.97
00:30:20.240 I can't even copy. 0.97
00:30:21.500 But you know, the lingo, the colloquialism, the young kids...
00:30:25.600 Like fam and all that.
00:30:26.540 Yes.
00:30:27.600 And these kids, it's the richer and whiter they are, the more they try to be that way. 0.84
00:30:31.080 And they think it's groovy and cool to be black, 0.98
00:30:33.720 which is so offensive. 0.96
00:30:35.580 It's so offensive that if I say my husband's black, 0.91
00:30:37.980 the audience allows me to talk about black issues.
00:30:40.480 I'm doing it so that two-thirds of the way through the show,
00:30:43.500 I'm like, you know, he's not black. 0.99
00:30:44.340 I just say that because I want you to like him. 0.98
00:30:46.600 And so after you've dropped dead.
00:30:48.260 Right. 0.86
00:30:49.020 Oh, that's beautiful.
00:30:49.720 I mean, and they can't embrace the idea that they, you know,
00:30:54.780 at some clubs in this country, the comp pair,
00:30:57.700 you'll be in a room full of 300 people.
00:30:59.000 there'll be a mixed race couple in the front row 1.00
00:31:01.720 he or she will talk to the white person
00:31:04.100 the white person, the white people 0.97
00:31:05.240 skip the black person 1.00
00:31:06.980 I've seen it happen so many times 0.67
00:31:08.700 so the first thing I do on stage
00:31:10.260 is say how you doing to the black guy
00:31:11.780 because he's probably offended that no one's talking to him 0.82
00:31:14.360 and wonders why
00:31:15.420 so anyway 0.89
00:31:18.480 so you think people in Britain are scared of black people 0.82
00:31:20.900 white people in Britain
00:31:21.900 yeah a little bit
00:31:23.060 that's incredible
00:31:24.380 well they're criminalized in every way
00:31:26.500 I thought it was in America 0.99
00:31:28.720 where race relations were worse
00:31:30.380 that's what I
00:31:31.580 you believe the hype
00:31:32.260 that's what I was told
00:31:33.180 you're from Russia
00:31:33.920 you know better
00:31:34.660 you know the way they talk about
00:31:35.560 people from Moscow
00:31:36.260 in this country 1.00
00:31:36.880 like you're all fucking criminals 1.00
00:31:38.240 and drug dealers 1.00
00:31:38.820 yeah it's because we are
00:31:39.580 well
00:31:40.120 that's why you can afford
00:31:41.620 to live here
00:31:42.100 yeah exactly
00:31:42.880 no of course
00:31:44.240 black people are represented
00:31:45.760 in I think
00:31:47.120 in a much more healthy way
00:31:48.200 in the US
00:31:49.120 I mean
00:31:49.660 and of course there are problems 0.72
00:31:51.000 but hi we had a black president 0.90
00:31:52.480 anyway so 0.88
00:31:53.260 you know 0.95
00:31:55.680 when black people are seen 0.94
00:31:58.780 in positions of power in this country 0.96
00:32:00.020 as randomly as it happens
00:32:02.740 they're either treated like
00:32:04.880 like they're lucky
00:32:06.520 or they're ignored
00:32:07.920 or they're belittled like that female
00:32:10.560 MP who's made some
00:32:12.740 mistakes but she's treated 0.95
00:32:14.800 like she's 1.00
00:32:15.540 like it's her fault the Labour Party are fucked up 1.00
00:32:18.560 like it falls in her lap 1.00
00:32:20.520 because she had I guess
00:32:22.600 a diabetic overthrow on the radio a couple of times
00:32:24.540 and lost her mind for figures.
00:32:26.240 I don't know what her excuse was.
00:32:28.240 But, you know, she made a couple of mistakes.
00:32:31.100 Jesus, Nigel Farage.
00:32:31.960 Anyway, so, you know.
00:32:34.320 Anyway, so, yes.
00:32:35.880 That's interesting.
00:32:36.560 So when you're playing a comedy club in New York or Seattle or L.A. or Chicago,
00:32:40.400 if you're on stage, you better talk to the ethnic people in the room.
00:32:43.660 You better be able to tell the difference between a Nicaraguan accent
00:32:46.820 and a Honduran accent and a Mandarin Chinese.
00:32:50.920 Someone who speaks Mandarin Chinese.
00:32:52.500 I suppose someone from my college.
00:32:53.260 you've got to do the accents correctly
00:32:55.140 and you've got to refer to them
00:32:56.300 or else they'll come up to you
00:32:56.980 after the show and say
00:32:57.580 why didn't you talk about me
00:32:58.460 I'm offended you left me out
00:32:59.460 really
00:32:59.800 yeah it's a different
00:33:00.500 does that really happen
00:33:01.180 of course it's happened to me
00:33:02.100 in New York
00:33:02.620 it's amazing
00:33:03.140 because in the UK
00:33:03.940 my certainly my experience
00:33:06.040 would be that if you did an accent
00:33:07.380 you would instantly be treated
00:33:08.800 but not if it's the accent
00:33:10.020 of the not the ethnic people 0.54
00:33:11.120 you're satirizing
00:33:12.520 they like it
00:33:13.500 they do 0.98
00:33:14.260 right but the white people don't 0.98
00:33:15.620 of course they
00:33:16.200 but you know
00:33:16.940 they've got to line up
00:33:17.940 I don't know what to tell them
00:33:20.760 I don't know what to say 1.00
00:33:22.020 Except, you know, pull the fucking cucumber out of your butt and live a little. 1.00
00:33:26.200 I don't know. 1.00
00:33:34.180 You mentioned politics.
00:33:35.600 You don't do political material so much in your set, at least from what I've seen.
00:33:38.820 I do, depending on the show.
00:33:41.020 There's a political improv show at the store that we do that's really politically motivated.
00:33:44.200 Some of that material leaks into my set.
00:33:47.980 Yes.
00:33:48.460 So what do you make of what's happening in politics right now?
00:33:52.020 Well, I feel like the world is turning right.
00:33:57.640 And I think that's the conflict audiences have when you bring up Trump.
00:34:02.040 Because audiences in comedy clubs, in central London at least, or most of London, tend to be left-leaning.
00:34:08.020 When I did a free speech comedy show, Comedy Unleashed, at the back...
00:34:11.040 Andrew Doyle, we've had him on the show.
00:34:12.400 Yeah, that's great.
00:34:13.080 And he might have mentioned that about half the audience in the first night were right-wing people.
00:34:17.060 And they showed up thinking that to them, free speech in a comedy show meant right-wing comics on stage,
00:34:21.160 finally talking what they can talk about.
00:34:22.980 Because comedy is so left-leaning in general.
00:34:26.680 So I feel like if you talk about politics
00:34:32.260 in a comedy show in London or Edinburgh or Birmingham
00:34:36.440 or, you know, in urban areas,
00:34:39.060 it might be a good idea to gauge where the audience is at.
00:34:43.460 But I had to, I mean, between the three of us
00:34:45.640 on these three cameras and that hot guy sitting
00:34:47.440 in Indian style, between all of us,
00:34:51.160 Again, I don't, and I mean this in every respectful way, 0.99
00:34:54.500 I don't give a shit what their politics are. 0.99
00:34:57.960 I don't care. 0.99
00:35:00.120 They're not my friends.
00:35:01.520 The show is about me.
00:35:03.440 Hashtag me.
00:35:04.620 Not me too, just me.
00:35:07.000 And if they want to disagree or get upset, well, good for them.
00:35:10.460 It's hard to react to anything now because everything's on an iPad.
00:35:12.720 So if you're in the room with me and you want to share your thoughts, that's fine.
00:35:17.760 Your feelings, not so partial about.
00:35:20.600 They're transient, right?
00:35:23.480 And I'm not dealing with your feelings.
00:35:25.100 Again, I don't know you.
00:35:25.940 This isn't a therapy session.
00:35:26.960 We're not going to break up into discussion groups
00:35:28.980 and talk about your abandonment, low self-esteem,
00:35:31.120 and your ego problems. 1.00
00:35:31.960 I don't give a shit. 0.99
00:35:33.100 But if you disagree with something I'm saying on stage 0.99
00:35:36.080 while I'm saying it, not five minutes later,
00:35:39.240 and you want to talk, I'd suggest you raise your hand.
00:35:42.340 But if you want to yell something out, then let's get into it.
00:35:46.080 That's why writing a show takes so long for me
00:35:48.080 because every political idea I express, I research.
00:35:50.520 I've got to have a backup for it.
00:35:51.740 I have made the mistake in the past
00:35:53.180 of saying things flippantly on stage
00:35:55.080 I didn't have a backup for.
00:35:56.580 And it's always those moments
00:35:57.640 when you get caught by an audience member
00:35:59.220 smarter than you.
00:36:00.240 And you, you know,
00:36:01.800 you've got to have a joke about it.
00:36:04.820 I mean, I think,
00:36:07.460 I think that you ask about the political situation.
00:36:10.000 I think the only place that we can deal with it now
00:36:12.300 is on a comedy stage
00:36:13.420 because it's the only place
00:36:15.140 that people can allow someone
00:36:16.600 the breath or the girth to bring up these wide subjects
00:36:22.600 and sort of lighten them a bit.
00:36:25.960 Pull the plug on them, let some of the air out.
00:36:28.300 Open a window so it's not so stuffy in here.
00:36:31.060 And actually discuss people's hypocrisy in a way that's lighthearted.
00:36:38.100 The thing is, people ask me,
00:36:40.360 I've done a few interviews for The Fringe,
00:36:41.680 and they're like, you know, do you hunt down offensive material
00:36:45.260 in this offensive economy.
00:36:46.800 I don't ever look for what I think is offensive.
00:36:49.180 I look at things I find are funny, you know,
00:36:52.280 like the cave boys or whatever. 0.99
00:36:54.740 You know, I find that shit hilarious. 0.99
00:36:56.260 So if I find guns funny, 1.00
00:36:58.520 if I find shooting teenagers in some way funny,
00:37:01.540 because, I mean, have you talked to an adolescent?
00:37:03.240 So if I find some of that, you know,
00:37:05.940 then it's my job, you know, to find out.
00:37:08.380 And if people, oh, how can you make fun
00:37:10.280 of a high school shooting?
00:37:11.520 I'd be like, how can't you?
00:37:13.420 What other option, frankly, is there?
00:37:15.720 I know this sounds grand and very kumbaya,
00:37:18.200 but what other option is there to survive any of this
00:37:20.320 other than to laugh at it?
00:37:21.740 Because really, the amount of control any of us have
00:37:23.600 over our destiny is so clearly not in our hands.
00:37:26.840 I think that's what upsets people,
00:37:28.360 is they realize the British Petroleum is the world, not us.
00:37:30.860 So it doesn't obviously clearly matter who you vote for.
00:37:33.840 Because that vote of last summer
00:37:36.460 didn't affect any of the outcome.
00:37:39.460 Theresa May is doing exactly what she wants to do.
00:37:42.220 I suspect that she brought Trump over knowing what he'd say
00:37:44.980 so that people turned against Brexit even more.
00:37:50.040 The more he supports it, the less the British public like it.
00:37:52.980 Whatever her journey is with Brexit, she may be playing all of us.
00:37:57.940 Voters might as well take their votes, their ballots,
00:38:00.280 and flush them down the toilet for all the difference they've made
00:38:02.500 over the last five years in the country and in the U.S. as well.
00:38:05.560 I mean, when Brexit happened, I knew Trump would win.
00:38:08.500 I know that those elections are fixed. I know they are.
00:38:11.120 and the gerrymandering by the senators fixes them anyway so it doesn't matter how you vote in
00:38:16.900 california they don't even come to california presidential nominees to do campaigns anymore
00:38:21.700 because they know that california the largest state in the union with one-tenth the population
00:38:25.380 the u.s it doesn't matter it doesn't matter how we vote and what do you think of trump and especially
00:38:30.660 i would like to explore as a comedian because as a comedian watching political comics and 0.99
00:38:36.740 inverted commas talk about trumps he's orange he's a dick he's got small hands i'm like really 0.98
00:38:41.360 this is the best that you can do as a professional comedian with your comedic talents i mean i thought 1.00
00:38:47.700 about voting for him because he's against gay marriage no i only way out no i talk about wait
00:38:53.460 is he against gay marriage yeah because i hear people saying he's like the most pro-gay president 1.00
00:38:57.440 america's ever had well i imagine you find that he he's he's seating the supreme court with judges
00:39:05.500 who don't feel that way.
00:39:07.320 So it may fall into their manicured hands
00:39:11.620 whether or not guys are able to get married in a couple years.
00:39:15.460 So whatever he says.
00:39:17.520 You have to follow Trump's actions, not what he says, 0.99
00:39:20.200 because you know he says a lot of bullshit from one day to the next. 0.99
00:39:22.700 So I look at what he does, 0.99
00:39:25.080 and it's really about the judicial appointments in the U.S.
00:39:27.060 more than anything that's the most frightening.
00:39:29.300 But, you know, I think he's a stand-up comic,
00:39:31.700 and I think he's a performer.
00:39:32.540 I think he's a populist.
00:39:33.360 I think he's about what comics do is he disrupts people and he creates chaos and he wants complete control.
00:39:42.820 And I think that he doesn't feel any loyalty and his ambitions are limitless.
00:39:49.320 And I think that he's a media and corporate mogul from New York.
00:39:54.620 He's a property developer from Manhattan, so he's a gangster.
00:39:58.060 So he has no loyalty to anyone, including his children.
00:40:03.360 anyone. You've seen him almost turn his kids out a couple of times. And his son-in-law
00:40:10.120 is one of the thickest, thickest piles of pig shit I've ever seen put in front of a 1.00
00:40:14.240 camera. And he likes that, because that's his spokesmodel internationally. He sends 1.00
00:40:20.080 that kid everywhere, so he doesn't have to go. And I think he's a bit of a genius.
00:40:28.800 Really?
00:40:29.800 Well, don't you think that?
00:40:31.220 He's manipulating the world right now. 0.99
00:40:33.300 I mean, if he's not smart, how fucking thick are we? 0.98
00:40:36.420 He came over here and almost completely disrupted 0.99
00:40:39.400 the entire political structure of this country
00:40:42.360 within a matter of hours.
00:40:45.500 That interview he gave the Daily Mail,
00:40:47.160 and then he got home and said,
00:40:48.820 Putin's saying, I meant wouldn't, not would.
00:40:54.380 And he has 90% approval ratings in the Republican Party.
00:40:57.700 That's the highest of almost any president in the history of the U.S., 90%.
00:41:02.720 He's doing something right?
00:41:05.440 I don't know. 1.00
00:41:07.160 For me to say that he's stupid seems weird because I don't—is he? 1.00
00:41:12.840 Or is he just a genius at manipulating the media? 1.00
00:41:16.080 And he knew that, like he said, if you ran for a Republican, they'd believe it and think the party's too stupid. 1.00
00:41:22.260 He's got them in the grip of his tiny hands. 1.00
00:41:26.160 I don't know
00:41:27.700 but you're right
00:41:28.520 I wouldn't
00:41:29.320 what I wouldn't do
00:41:30.340 is talk about
00:41:31.880 how 1.00
00:41:32.340 how stupid 1.00
00:41:33.320 or orange he is 1.00
00:41:34.260 because that's not the point
00:41:35.400 that's not the issue
00:41:36.520 these
00:41:36.800 what I'd rather not do
00:41:38.800 is dismantle his character
00:41:40.500 it's really his
00:41:41.100 his policies
00:41:41.900 I try to go after 0.90
00:41:42.680 because you said
00:41:43.640 that what he was doing
00:41:44.380 in America was terrifying
00:41:45.440 would you just expand upon that
00:41:46.680 he's trying to
00:41:47.260 he's trying to
00:41:48.600 he wants to expel people
00:41:51.440 who 0.98
00:41:51.620 who aren't white 0.99
00:41:52.920 he wants to cleanse
00:41:55.660 the u.s when he said um you know that um what is it cleaning the pond what is it you know that
00:42:05.520 where he got that quote from no that's mussolini so when he when he borrowed that quote from
00:42:09.940 mussolini he was speaking to not white people in california he was speaking to the same people
00:42:18.020 that elected reagan when reagan said when he was elected when he was nominated for the for the
00:42:23.420 office the first time by his party. He was in Alabama and he said, I'm putting my, or Mississippi,
00:42:28.940 I'm putting my, I'm putting my feet in the Mississippi mud, letting you know I'm with you. 0.69
00:42:34.660 And took his shoes off and put his feet in the mud. And what that meant to Southerners was he
00:42:38.920 hates black people. It's a coded term that meant a lot to a part of his party that he wanted to be 0.99
00:42:46.740 loyal to him. I mean, Reagan was famously a race baiter and I think Trump is too. But hold on,
00:42:50.560 Drain the Swamp is about Washington, it's not about the country.
00:42:53.240 Sure, sure it is. 0.93
00:42:55.760 If you're a neo-fascist living in the U.S.
00:42:58.220 or you're right of Mussolini in the Republican Party,
00:43:01.620 you know exactly what he means.
00:43:04.120 You know that when Gore Vidal called D.C. a swamp in two of his books,
00:43:08.340 people accused him of being racist
00:43:09.920 because he mentioned the swamps of Africa.
00:43:14.820 Trump is preying on people's minds.
00:43:17.260 He's creating imagery in their minds
00:43:19.640 that means something to them that it doesn't mean to you
00:43:22.080 because you're not from there.
00:43:23.680 But in America, if you're from Arkansas, 0.99
00:43:26.400 the swamp means black people running with chains on their ankles 1.00
00:43:29.980 away from prison with dogs chasing them. 0.94
00:43:32.300 It brings up imagery in their minds of all sorts of things
00:43:34.800 that don't make sense to you.
00:43:37.260 And again, it's a Mussolini quote.
00:43:38.640 So anyway, I think whether Trump is racist,
00:43:42.100 and he has proven business-wise that he is at least uncomfortable 0.98
00:43:45.420 doing business with black people because he wouldn't rent to them 0.99
00:43:47.660 when he was working for his dad. 1.00
00:43:48.720 So, and that, I think that he's a horrible racist. 0.91
00:43:56.460 That's what makes me nervous about him. 0.93
00:43:58.360 How you can live in Manhattan and be racist?
00:44:00.080 Although, frankly, when you go to Manhattan now, they've pushed, there's almost no ethnic community left on the island.
00:44:06.460 You know, even Harlem has been cleansed to the black community, like in San Francisco. 0.91
00:44:11.380 So, I think he's trying to urbanize and Clorox the entire country.
00:44:16.720 he wants people to live at his living standards but when you have a a capitalistic society like
00:44:24.560 that you're gonna have a lot of losers but trump doesn't care about the losers there's no safety
00:44:28.600 net in the u.s or it's diminishing and that's what freaks me out because i grew up with a single mom
00:44:33.140 we lived out of a car for a while we we grew up you know my dad left my mom she didn't have a
00:44:37.440 high school diploma she had to find a job in a way to support three kids and it was very very
00:44:41.140 difficult when I was younger so I know what it's like to grow up without a safety net and I know
00:44:46.760 how terrifying it is and my mom couldn't rent they didn't rent a single woman in San Francisco in
00:44:51.620 those days we had to move far away the commute it was horrible for her and I think it's kind of
00:44:56.400 what killed her young frankly and I think and she had a bit more support my mama might have lived 0.95
00:45:01.500 longer but you know there isn't that not the kind you have here and do you think we're going the
00:45:09.320 same way in this country i think with brexit maybe some of the people that felt vulnerable
00:45:15.920 that voted for brexit are going to be the hardest hit i think we know that now and i think when you
00:45:21.580 you know i think that the i think that the the health of any country however powerful they think
00:45:27.400 they are is not the way they deal with the wealthy it's the way you deal with the disenfranchised in 0.67
00:45:31.180 that country whoever they are and that's people with drug addictions or single mums or people
00:45:37.460 that don't identify themselves through identity politics,
00:45:40.620 but identify themselves in other ways.
00:45:42.500 If you speak to someone like your mother,
00:45:45.000 who's having a very difficult time,
00:45:47.780 the way you described her, she might be,
00:45:49.080 I don't know the way you described her,
00:45:50.280 and you ask that person how they identify themselves,
00:45:51.980 I think the last thing in her mind
00:45:53.060 is whether or not she's a Tory or in the Labour Party.
00:45:56.420 I think she thinks, well, I'm these things.
00:45:58.540 I'm a working mom, or I have these kids,
00:46:00.540 or I can't find a job because of these ailments I have.
00:46:03.480 She identifies herself by her circumstances, 1.00
00:46:05.520 not her fucking politics. 0.99
00:46:07.460 But when I'm in front of a room full of white middle class people 1.00
00:46:09.900 who are telling me what their political identity is
00:46:12.060 and how I should match that, that's when I get angry. 0.99
00:46:14.620 Because I think you don't know my fucking story, 0.99
00:46:16.620 and you're here to listen to it. 1.00
00:46:18.020 And if you aren't, then you should probably fuck the fuck off. 1.00
00:46:21.680 So I'm worried. 1.00
00:46:23.420 That's what I'm concerned with.
00:46:25.180 That Trump and Brexit are making people build fortresses around themselves.
00:46:30.880 And either you're allowed in or you're not.
00:46:34.200 And you're either on our side or you're against it,
00:46:36.180 that famous Trump-Bush quote that he said
00:46:38.880 when he bombed the Middle East in, you know, 0.98
00:46:41.580 the early 2000s in response to the bombing in New York.
00:46:45.000 He told Europe, you're either on a society or not.
00:46:47.180 And that was a real threat.
00:46:48.640 And I think that people now feel that way.
00:46:51.480 I think there's less discourse.
00:46:53.280 Frankly, I think, you know, a conservative audience,
00:46:55.900 politically, can be fun to perform in front of.
00:46:58.200 When I've done conferences, the Greens were good 0.98
00:46:59.980 because they know how ridiculous they are. 0.96
00:47:01.440 When you do a Labour Party conference, 0.96
00:47:03.120 performed it's really i gotta tell you the worst gig you can ever say yes to is the haze the haze 0.98
00:47:09.460 thing that that h-a-y-s that fucking guardian sponsored fucking i did it i oh my god oh like 1.00
00:47:17.660 300 people in a bleacher seating fucking staring at me i'm not kidding you i have never i was 0.99
00:47:24.300 chasing them around the stage trying to find what their what they what they would joke about what 0.98
00:47:28.980 what they found comfortable.
00:47:31.960 Nothing.
00:47:32.360 I found nothing.
00:47:33.200 I found nothing.
00:47:34.420 And then I come back,
00:47:35.640 and some of the guys from the comedy store said,
00:47:37.120 you did that gig?
00:47:38.380 I said, you should never.
00:47:39.760 That's the worst one.
00:47:41.460 I said, well, I wanted to go to that area.
00:47:43.100 I thought it would be pretty.
00:47:43.860 And I read The Guardian.
00:47:44.840 They're like, no, it's impossible.
00:47:46.220 You can't.
00:47:47.860 Did you think those people were just sanctimonious
00:47:50.040 and too serious and they care too much about?
00:47:53.060 Is that what it is?
00:47:53.740 Maybe.
00:47:55.340 Because there is a section of the left, isn't there,
00:47:57.260 that's gone a little bit apeshit right now.
00:47:59.620 Yeah, a little bit.
00:48:01.420 I was trying to put it gently.
00:48:03.100 There's no discourse.
00:48:04.340 There's no...
00:48:05.160 If I say to them,
00:48:07.200 if I say,
00:48:08.960 you might...
00:48:11.300 God, I got into the store.
00:48:14.600 When we were talking about
00:48:16.300 some of this yew tree stuff,
00:48:19.700 and I said, you know,
00:48:20.600 some of the allegations
00:48:21.600 are obviously incorrect.
00:48:24.660 And with someone who has three children,
00:48:27.260 told me isn't one enough isn't one enough and i said you mean one enough to destroy all the
00:48:36.780 careers it's destroying one enough to now the bbc has to pay that guy six million six hundred
00:48:42.460 thousand because they threw a flew a helicopter over his house and they were wrong i said i think
00:48:49.500 it's insulting to people who actually been abused or harassed that that's your stance
00:48:55.580 because you're saying
00:48:57.120 that it's all the same
00:48:58.540 and if you ask a victim
00:48:59.840 it's not the same
00:49:00.720 they want to hear their story
00:49:02.160 have their story heard
00:49:03.000 I'd talk him off the ledge
00:49:05.620 for like seven minutes
00:49:06.340 because we were doing
00:49:06.920 a show together
00:49:07.520 and I don't think I got him
00:49:09.240 I think he still thinks 1.00
00:49:09.900 I'm a cunt 1.00
00:49:10.300 I think he thinks 1.00
00:49:11.300 I'm a kiddie diddling 1.00
00:49:12.760 fucking retard 1.00
00:49:13.380 that I just don't get 1.00
00:49:14.520 I don't get it
00:49:15.520 I don't know
00:49:18.560 I don't know
00:49:19.760 whereas two
00:49:20.660 two Tories
00:49:21.660 friends of mine
00:49:22.300 came and saw my
00:49:22.740 Edinburgh preview
00:49:23.440 last Thursday
00:49:24.080 and went for drinks after
00:49:25.560 What did you think of that?
00:49:26.120 It was fun.
00:49:27.920 I did an hour and 10 minutes.
00:49:29.780 Just rah, rah, rah at them. 0.54
00:49:31.040 And some people, you know, it was fine.
00:49:32.620 I had three kids from Sri Lanka.
00:49:34.100 Thank God.
00:49:34.780 From Sri Lanka in the fourth row.
00:49:36.340 They were glorious.
00:49:37.640 They were Muslim, young Muslim kids.
00:49:39.960 And they, oh, they, there were four,
00:49:42.520 but one of them was living in London, a student here.
00:49:45.840 I'm like, what are you guys doing here?
00:49:47.100 My preview.
00:49:47.880 We want to see a comedy show.
00:49:48.920 And they were just, they were, oh, they were great.
00:49:51.580 But some of the, you know, other people,
00:49:53.200 white Londoners
00:49:54.320 we're not
00:49:54.740 I got a lot of tics
00:49:56.120 like
00:49:56.340 yeah
00:49:57.140 you know
00:49:57.700 yeah
00:49:58.180 yeah
00:49:59.540 and I asked the kid
00:50:02.060 was he a virgin
00:50:02.640 and they
00:50:03.840 the white people 0.75
00:50:04.800 they
00:50:05.940 and I said
00:50:08.460 and he said
00:50:09.140 no I 0.99
00:50:09.520 I fucked somebody 1.00
00:50:10.360 I said did you 1.00
00:50:11.260 and he said
00:50:11.560 not my girlfriend 0.92
00:50:12.200 I cheated on her 1.00
00:50:13.060 10 minutes later
00:50:17.520 we're talking about
00:50:18.580 well I didn't really 0.99
00:50:19.460 fuck her 1.00
00:50:19.860 I fingered her 1.00
00:50:20.500 you know
00:50:20.800 I couldn't really
00:50:21.240 stick it in
00:50:21.700 I'm not ready for that
00:50:22.500 but
00:50:22.680 I just
00:50:24.140 oh
00:50:24.820 and I'm on stage
00:50:25.900 singing
00:50:26.200 you know
00:50:26.780 gold dust
00:50:27.420 you know
00:50:27.840 making
00:50:28.900 all the
00:50:29.380 like this
00:50:32.100 but you know
00:50:33.280 but my
00:50:33.900 Tory friends
00:50:34.740 and their stance
00:50:36.560 on Brexit
00:50:36.940 is hilarious
00:50:37.300 because they're from
00:50:38.020 a very wealthy
00:50:39.000 part of Britain
00:50:39.760 the Chiltern line
00:50:40.840 I'll just tell you that
00:50:41.440 and their line
00:50:42.720 you know why
00:50:43.100 they like their
00:50:43.620 railroad better
00:50:44.480 because it's run
00:50:44.980 by Germans
00:50:45.440 which they prefer
00:50:46.280 that's what she told me
00:50:47.800 which I thought
00:50:48.080 was hilarious
00:50:48.380 so they
00:50:48.840 you know
00:50:49.560 they didn't take
00:50:50.520 any of it personally
00:50:52.160 None of it.
00:50:53.000 There's a lot of evidence, actually,
00:50:54.180 that conservatives are better able to understand
00:50:56.080 other points of view.
00:50:57.580 That's why they're in power right now.
00:50:59.520 Yeah.
00:51:00.440 I mean, that guy you have running that party. 1.00
00:51:02.780 That fucking idiot. 1.00
00:51:04.740 How he's not taken advantage of all of this yet. 1.00
00:51:08.420 Oh, fucking... 1.00
00:51:09.220 You're not a fan of Corbyn? 1.00
00:51:10.580 Well, I don't support Hamas, so no.
00:51:13.720 But he does.
00:51:15.920 I don't support Hamas.
00:51:17.480 I support the existence of Israel.
00:51:19.380 And I support Palestine.
00:51:20.780 Yeah.
00:51:21.020 but I don't support him as a political body ruling Palestine I think it's 0.99
00:51:24.260 probably a bad idea I'm not I don't support the government of Israel either
00:51:27.380 but if you go to Tel Aviv it's a lovely place and you feel very safe as a gay
00:51:31.640 man you know I don't feel harassed in any way 0.51
00:51:43.180 do you think you can get away with more on stage because you're gay because you're 1.00
00:51:47.460 Well, that's why I brought the G at LGBTIQ.
00:51:50.040 I think my G's been removed.
00:51:51.300 I really mean that.
00:51:51.820 I took her out in the show.
00:51:52.760 I don't think I can anymore.
00:51:54.040 Because I saw you do a bit at Comedy Unleashed,
00:51:56.700 this free speech comedy night,
00:51:57.780 about me too.
00:51:58.840 Yeah.
00:51:59.180 Right?
00:51:59.840 I don't see a straight man getting away with that.
00:52:02.860 It's actually me three. 0.91
00:52:03.920 It's my three fingers up a tranny's hole. 0.97
00:52:07.080 Hashtag me three. 0.86
00:52:07.860 So, yes. 0.99
00:52:08.920 These were raped. 1.00
00:52:11.840 I thought it was a guy. 0.86
00:52:12.960 And that's a true story, by the way.
00:52:14.640 Oh, God.
00:52:15.160 It seemed to me that you were also, you were making fun of Gwyneth Paltrow, and it was a very good bit. 1.00
00:52:20.500 My pussy's dry. 1.00
00:52:21.440 Right. 1.00
00:52:21.740 Why, Gwyneth?
00:52:22.400 Yeah.
00:52:22.900 Why is it like a flower arranger?
00:52:24.020 Why did it go dry?
00:52:25.080 Well, Harry Weinstein, all that.
00:52:28.840 And it's very funny, but I don't...
00:52:30.900 If you read her...
00:52:31.880 But I don't think...
00:52:32.620 If you read her...
00:52:33.100 Let me finish this question.
00:52:34.520 I don't think a straight man could get away with doing that bit on stage.
00:52:38.060 It's really the way you...
00:52:38.720 It's my perception.
00:52:39.780 You might be right.
00:52:41.420 Do you think I'm wrong?
00:52:42.280 No, I...
00:52:44.280 I'm wondering if I've seen anyone do it.
00:52:48.460 I haven't.
00:52:50.960 I hope I do.
00:52:52.520 I think the only way to show respect to that situation,
00:52:54.800 and I know that I agree with women. 1.00
00:52:58.300 Men can be incredibly harassing.
00:52:59.660 Absolutely.
00:53:00.260 And we do live in a rape culture. 1.00
00:53:01.480 If you think we don't, you're out of your mind.
00:53:03.220 Also, again, growing more than a single mother, 0.66
00:53:05.140 you know, my mom worked in a law firm at the front desk. 1.00
00:53:08.840 She wasn't a lawyer's secretary.
00:53:10.660 She wasn't a legal secretary. 0.87
00:53:11.620 She didn't have the education. 0.95
00:53:12.360 But she was the person that, and all, each lawyer had their own secretary, there were eight of them. 0.98
00:53:17.120 And they'd all, she said, I can't think of one secretary not fucking her lawyer, her boss right now. 0.97
00:53:21.680 My mom told me that, I was like 12. 0.99
00:53:24.140 I mean, I know that it's terrible.
00:53:28.580 That's why I try to make fun of it.
00:53:31.100 It can't just be something that people ignore in the press or in the media.
00:53:34.820 It can't just be something, it can't be in the media and they're not dealt with, you know.
00:53:39.780 So my backup story is if people come after me, I'd be like, again, you don't know.
00:53:45.560 When I came out of university in L.A., I was working for Dick Clark, who was a TV producer.
00:53:52.600 And we used to produce New Year's Rocking Eve in October.
00:53:55.160 And I was a PA, the weakest, the lowest of the low on the set.
00:53:57.960 And I had men try to push me behind bushes.
00:54:00.880 I had a guy jump on me in a car.
00:54:03.360 I got out from under him because I'm 6'2", but it was difficult.
00:54:06.500 so i i understand the abuse and harassment women women and gay men share a lot of things in common
00:54:12.220 that's what i try to draw in that also what happened that night was the telegraph critic
00:54:17.880 was there and she said i want to see some me too jokes she told that to andrew and she said i better
00:54:23.300 see some me too stuff so i told some me too jokes and she reviewed me badly and said my act was mean
00:54:27.800 but no yes i just i just yeah and i just written those me too jokes actually really was looking
00:54:34.320 forward to doing them and then when i wanted to do that story specifically said that at the bar
00:54:38.400 i better see some me too jokes no so she saw some and then she ignored them but the thing is
00:54:43.980 i was glad because i had a chance to try them in front of my audience willing to hear them
00:54:48.900 i don't know that for one i'm telling you i wouldn't do that me too stuff i don't think
00:54:53.220 that i'm there are some clubs i wouldn't do it definitely not do it in uh and i and i was i was
00:54:59.820 a coward about some of my stuff on saturday at the comedia maybe i should have gone all the way
00:55:03.940 maybe I should have done 0.62
00:55:04.580 five minutes on Gwyneth Paltrow
00:55:05.640 I do it in Edinburgh
00:55:06.600 I'll probably get
00:55:07.580 torn to shreds for it 0.65
00:55:08.360 I'll probably have people
00:55:09.020 walk out
00:55:09.460 and people won't come
00:55:10.380 and my husband
00:55:11.580 we will have that
00:55:12.320 conversation
00:55:12.720 my husband says
00:55:13.320 can you be a bit nicer
00:55:15.020 but I can't
00:55:19.620 and I think
00:55:20.800 you know
00:55:21.180 there's no point
00:55:23.140 us living in the world
00:55:25.360 and not talking about it
00:55:27.020 I can't believe
00:55:28.480 I have to say that
00:55:29.180 but
00:55:29.680 I think that
00:55:30.840 to answer your question
00:55:31.800 a straight guy
00:55:32.420 But if he were to, there's a way to do it, probably.
00:55:37.600 I'm trying to think of a comic, someone I think, someone like, who could really, although
00:55:43.160 trivializing it could be a problem, too, but someone who could lighten the load of it somehow.
00:55:48.420 I can think of two or three people that might, although they probably never would because
00:55:51.560 they don't need to.
00:55:52.580 That's the thing.
00:55:53.400 I feel the need to do it.
00:55:54.940 It's a vocation for me.
00:55:56.240 I can't ignore it.
00:55:58.040 I feel I have to do it.
00:55:59.380 I feel dirty after if I don't do it.
00:56:03.640 I feel like I've given in.
00:56:05.600 Like I've let down the team.
00:56:09.100 I do.
00:56:09.800 Which team?
00:56:10.980 The comedy team.
00:56:12.740 I think our job is to push them.
00:56:18.460 Is to push it. 1.00
00:56:20.160 Be assholes. 1.00
00:56:21.340 I mean, we're clowns. 1.00
00:56:22.660 We're annoying. 0.97
00:56:23.520 We're the annoying guy in the office or in the Shakespeare play.
00:56:25.360 We're that guy.
00:56:29.020 Or girl. 0.51
00:56:30.380 So, our job is to...
00:56:32.880 Here's the thing.
00:56:36.040 Playing all these clubs on the road this summer,
00:56:37.500 I realized a lot of comics want to be liked.
00:56:40.520 They won't be honest to like them.
00:56:41.660 I think that's so strange.
00:56:44.320 Why?
00:56:45.460 For one thing, you'll get nothing out of them liking.
00:56:47.420 You'll never see them again.
00:56:48.440 But what's there to like?
00:56:50.440 You're a stranger.
00:56:51.180 I think it's creepy.
00:56:52.460 It's needy to me.
00:56:53.700 When the comics start to say,
00:56:54.960 you know when you, an audience goes,
00:56:56.120 oh yeah, that's what goes.
00:56:57.020 I get embarrassed.
00:56:57.940 I don't want you to pretend like you know me.
00:57:01.680 I want to see your story.
00:57:03.020 What's your take on it?
00:57:05.600 And I don't necessarily want...
00:57:07.520 I want them to like the show and play along with what I'm talking about.
00:57:12.460 But us being friends, I've got enough friends.
00:57:15.240 The thought of you people liking me or even talking to you after the show exhausts me.
00:57:18.480 I don't mind doing the VIP shot where you do the photos and stuff,
00:57:20.840 but please don't clap at me on Twitter 18 times in a row
00:57:24.660 or like this guy stalking me from the comedian.
00:57:26.940 The show's over.
00:57:27.840 Lights are out.
00:57:28.800 The price of admission got you the set.
00:57:30.760 That's it.
00:57:32.200 I can't imagine why I'd be liked by those people.
00:57:34.300 It sounds exhausting to me.
00:57:36.180 Are you not liked enough in your life?
00:57:39.000 Probably not.
00:57:39.960 But I mean, is your biggest ambition to be on TV?
00:57:43.020 I just think cut your wrists.
00:57:46.220 I mean, TV's great. 0.94
00:57:47.320 It sells tickets.
00:57:48.300 Good for you.
00:57:48.840 I'm not saying it's a bad thing,
00:57:49.880 but I'm saying if you want to be liked or nice
00:57:52.660 so that people hire you to be on TV,
00:57:54.300 I just think you've got a missing cog up there somewhere.
00:57:57.720 Where you've forgotten along the way somehow that there's an art to what we're doing.
00:58:04.540 And it's important what we do.
00:58:06.260 And it's not about poo jokes or your mom.
00:58:09.700 It's about, again, do you have an onion in your hand?
00:58:14.020 And you strip back layer after layer until they see the nexus, the nucleus of something.
00:58:21.560 I don't know how people memorize their material.
00:58:23.780 I can't figure out what they're saying half the time.
00:58:25.700 I just
00:58:26.680 I mean
00:58:28.840 you know
00:58:29.740 the other night
00:58:30.160 as a comedian
00:58:30.640 there was a comic
00:58:31.180 I didn't mean to
00:58:32.500 but I just
00:58:32.900 and the security guy
00:58:35.260 next to me
00:58:35.580 said are you okay
00:58:36.080 I'm like yeah
00:58:36.720 I didn't mean to
00:58:37.260 let that noise out
00:58:38.180 but it was just
00:58:39.160 what I was feeling
00:58:39.940 was like
00:58:40.360 I just can't 0.96
00:58:41.000 fucking get on with it 0.96
00:58:42.220 I just 0.99
00:58:42.580 how do audiences
00:58:44.200 sit through it
00:58:45.100 I don't know
00:58:46.480 you know
00:58:47.220 it's why I don't
00:58:49.140 go to plays
00:58:49.600 because 10 minutes in
00:58:50.320 you know what the play's about
00:58:51.180 nowadays
00:58:51.980 the new plays
00:58:53.040 it's like
00:58:53.460 oh I see where we're going here
00:58:55.040 it's just like
00:58:55.460 I want to be changed.
00:58:57.620 I want to be alerted to something I didn't know before. 0.99
00:59:00.460 Or else I got a lot of shit to do. 0.98
00:59:01.880 I got boxes to take. 0.99
00:59:02.840 I got dry cleaning.
00:59:04.240 I got stuff.
00:59:05.360 So I want to bring something to the table.
00:59:08.740 But I want everyone to have a chair at the table.
00:59:13.660 That's what liberalism is.
00:59:15.260 We all give someone a seat, whether we agree with them or not.
00:59:19.820 And then we listen. 1.00
00:59:20.800 And we shut our fucking mouths for a minute. 1.00
00:59:25.160 if we're sitting in the audience and we listen. 1.00
00:59:28.040 I think that's the most reactionary but also liberal thing you can do
00:59:31.500 is to listen to someone you don't agree with
00:59:33.860 and let them explain to you what their point of view is.
00:59:37.740 Otherwise, we might as well just all wrap ourselves in Tupperware and be royals
00:59:40.660 and have no experience with the real world.
00:59:43.180 If you want to be those, I feel so bad for those kids
00:59:45.500 and those women who've married them.
00:59:46.940 If you want to live that life, because that's what that life is,
00:59:50.640 you want to turn yourself off from every human experience.
00:59:55.160 Then you do that
00:59:56.820 But that's I think a psychosis
00:59:58.820 So all right. Oh, that's a great way to end. Well, I mean the slit your wrist line. Yeah
01:00:04.660 Yeah, that would have been interestingly appropriate. That's also great. That shows how your mind works
01:00:12.920 Yeah, actually, I'm sorry I was late. No, it's all right
01:00:16.040 It's all right. Do you want to do the the famous final question concert in what yes
01:00:20.240 I do the question that we always ask people at the end is is there something that we ought to be talking?
01:00:25.160 about that we're not talking about we being society not just me and francis oh right well
01:00:31.640 if you asked me a few weeks ago i would have said kids in the cage in the u.s because they were
01:00:34.780 they were caging those kids oh right so i thought you said cave and that's where i thought you were
01:00:39.120 coming back to that no but there's so much stuff about trump and they were ignoring these uh people
01:00:42.880 talked about that quite a bit though yeah eventually but you know there's about a week
01:00:46.340 and a half we're no is that right i was like why and um and then uh oh that's been going on for
01:00:52.060 years actually but uh i think now it's probably it's probably the um the removal the the dismantling
01:01:03.780 of people's personal rights that the political system is your civil rights are being diminished
01:01:12.300 which ones well in the u.s it would it's things like abortion and you write your free speech
01:01:20.480 because Trump is trying to dismantle the free media.
01:01:23.140 But I think that's also,
01:01:24.320 I think those two things are going to be a problem here soon, too.
01:01:28.740 Yeah.
01:01:29.840 I worry about your courts and your judicial system.
01:01:33.640 I mean, I think, yeah,
01:01:35.620 I think people have become accustomed to living on breadcrumbs.
01:01:38.960 I think austerity has made people.
01:01:42.200 I think you should worry about the NHS.
01:01:44.440 I think the NHS is Britain's greatest hour. 1.00
01:01:48.440 That silly war and all that Churchill shit is bullshit. 1.00
01:01:50.120 I think you should be thanking Adolf Hitler, really, 1.00
01:01:53.260 instead of criticising him on the National Geographic channel.
01:01:56.940 Because without Hitler, you wouldn't have an NHS, 1.00
01:01:59.240 and that's the best thing Britain's ever produced, I think.
01:02:01.840 I'd worry about that.
01:02:03.100 But it doesn't seem anyone's...
01:02:04.960 I mean, people say they are, but are they worried about it?
01:02:09.540 There you go. Get worried about it.
01:02:12.960 Unless you've lived in a country with no health care,
01:02:14.780 you don't know what it's like.
01:02:15.620 I have lived in a country with no health care.
01:02:17.280 Yeah, it's terrifying.
01:02:19.340 It's absolutely terrible to watch your mother die
01:02:22.140 with a stack of bills on her desk
01:02:23.440 and not be able to do anything about it.
01:02:26.180 So, yeah.
01:02:29.380 God, that's so depressing.
01:02:30.760 I know.
01:02:31.940 You're supposed to be a comedian, Scott.
01:02:33.300 Jesus.
01:02:34.380 For God's sake.
01:02:35.500 My mother always said she was the funniest one.
01:02:36.940 All right, well,
01:02:37.640 if you haven't been utterly depressed by this whole episode,
01:02:41.500 do subscribe.
01:02:42.380 Comedy is great, though.
01:02:43.320 I really think that this is,
01:02:44.980 you know, you could talk about these things in a comedy realm
01:02:47.260 because it's only a place.
01:02:48.580 Yeah.
01:02:48.660 Well, you know what, cutting into our final bit, but actually that's why I got into comedy.
01:02:54.440 I remember watching people like George Carlin and Bill Hicks really talk about stuff.
01:02:58.640 And then I started doing comedy like three years ago, whatever it was.
01:03:02.580 And I started going to comedy clubs.
01:03:05.520 And I very quickly realized that's not what comedy is anymore.
01:03:08.840 But it really depends.
01:03:09.980 And I tried to do a little bit of that.
01:03:11.420 But I just find that, like you said, the audiences have gradually been trained to,
01:03:16.020 here's the tree, here's the tree, here's the tree, this is the tree, you know?
01:03:18.660 I might as suggest if you tour, tour with an alternative comic.
01:03:21.900 Because it will tune the audience's ear.
01:03:24.220 So that by the time you come out on stage,
01:03:25.680 they'll be much more open to different subject matter.
01:03:28.520 That's a trick I learned early on here.
01:03:30.540 Because this isn't new.
01:03:32.160 This limited expanse on audience.
01:03:37.560 It's your job to pry them open a bit.
01:03:41.780 And there's tricks you can use.
01:03:43.300 And one is, you know, have a black female comic open for you. 1.00
01:03:47.260 I mean there are loads of good ones
01:03:50.000 get a good
01:03:50.680 get a good
01:03:51.140 you know
01:03:51.640 get a great female 1.00
01:03:53.360 and if she's black 1.00
01:03:54.580 that's great 0.92
01:03:55.340 because then the audience
01:03:56.260 would be like
01:03:56.620 wait a woman 0.99
01:03:57.280 when I had
01:03:58.180 a woman open for me
01:03:59.460 they would announce her name
01:04:00.600 over the PA
01:04:01.540 and the audience would boo
01:04:02.460 her name being announced
01:04:03.420 because it was a girl
01:04:05.080 and then she would do great
01:04:06.620 and then they'd be like
01:04:07.600 oh okay
01:04:08.100 yeah
01:04:08.800 so do that
01:04:10.340 alright
01:04:11.320 and on that note
01:04:13.320 but it's your job
01:04:14.020 to train them too
01:04:14.860 it is
01:04:15.440 that is part of your job
01:04:16.720 but I actually
01:04:18.340 you know one of the biggest comments
01:04:19.720 when I do my set
01:04:20.960 and I talk about politics a lot
01:04:22.300 and Russia
01:04:22.860 and Russian politics
01:04:23.780 and all that
01:04:24.240 one of the most rewarding comments
01:04:26.220 for me that I sometimes get
01:04:27.420 is
01:04:27.640 oh someone's actually
01:04:28.980 talking about real stuff
01:04:30.060 and it's not
01:04:32.480 every gig necessarily
01:04:34.000 that might happen
01:04:34.880 but when I get that
01:04:36.020 I'm like okay
01:04:36.480 there's actually an audience
01:04:37.540 out there
01:04:38.020 that's interested
01:04:38.660 in more than poo jokes
01:04:40.100 you know what I mean
01:04:40.640 yes
01:04:41.040 there is
01:04:42.260 and again
01:04:43.540 I might suggest
01:04:44.540 that you spend more time
01:04:45.740 amongst the alternative
01:04:46.640 comedy scene. You will see comics working on that subject matter. I started in the black comedy scene
01:04:52.340 in San Francisco because I couldn't find any clubs that had booked me, and black audiences were
01:04:56.180 fantastic to me. They were very all-embracing. I didn't have to be closeted around them. They
01:05:00.260 didn't care about any of that. They didn't care about my politics either or where I came from,
01:05:03.980 and the comics I worked with were incredibly supportive because at the time, you know,
01:05:11.200 Being queer was such a difficulty in 1988, 89, 90.
01:05:15.200 All my friends were dead. 0.83
01:05:16.560 You bring that up in front of a black audience, 0.96
01:05:17.980 and they get what you're talking about.
01:05:20.240 Middle-class white people in San Francisco
01:05:21.360 had no idea what I was discussing,
01:05:22.740 and it was right down the road from them.
01:05:24.620 So you can probably find...
01:05:27.720 I found a group that you need a bit of support to
01:05:32.700 when you first start out.
01:05:33.740 I know that it's hard for new comics
01:05:35.280 because they want to get work.
01:05:38.060 And they don't want to put...
01:05:38.660 You know, it's not really...
01:05:39.380 Even the audience they're so worried about,
01:05:40.360 but the promoters and producers and the club owners there's only so much you can push them
01:05:44.000 before you get banned i know that because i i've had an experience with some of them recently
01:05:48.320 these young people i think are fucking brilliant what were you playing oh i i've been banned from 0.94
01:05:52.540 two clubs and one club called my employer and stuff and alerted them about how my politics 0.96
01:05:57.580 were my comedy set and i'm like so i know you have to be you know you're powerless when you're new
01:06:03.200 although you have your youth on your side you should utilize that as much as possible
01:06:06.900 so
01:06:07.940 just find a supportive
01:06:10.260 you know
01:06:11.300 or create it
01:06:12.100 you know
01:06:13.020 create a club
01:06:13.620 that's what Izzard did
01:06:16.980 yeah
01:06:17.620 you know
01:06:18.240 he started a club
01:06:19.360 so
01:06:20.720 awesome
01:06:22.080 well this
01:06:22.600 five minutes of free advice
01:06:23.900 for me
01:06:24.160 but you can imagine
01:06:25.480 what it would have been
01:06:25.820 for someone like Eddie
01:06:26.920 when he started
01:06:27.480 what an anomaly
01:06:28.820 right
01:06:29.220 where would he perform
01:06:30.060 so of course he started
01:06:30.760 or Julian
01:06:31.460 yeah
01:06:31.960 you know Clary
01:06:33.080 had to have a bodyguard 1.00
01:06:33.920 and shit 0.99
01:06:34.280 because you know 1.00
01:06:35.660 it was tough
01:06:36.180 all right if you're still with us subscribe to us and uh tick the little bell next to the
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01:06:47.180 on twitter at triggerpod scott before we let you go uh you you hate people clapping you on twitter
01:06:52.400 but if people want to follow you on twitter yeah it's just my name scott capuro at scott capuro
01:06:56.280 yeah yeah and is there anything else uh we need to plug this probably will go out after erinburgh
01:07:01.120 No, no.
01:07:02.360 I'll be in California
01:07:03.440 October.
01:07:04.700 We have fans everywhere.
01:07:06.080 All right.
01:07:06.780 All those states
01:07:07.480 are on my website.
01:07:08.400 All right.
01:07:08.740 Perfect.
01:07:09.180 Go to Scott's website.
01:07:10.260 Check him out.
01:07:10.920 He's a fantastic comedian.
01:07:12.100 But talk about 0.99
01:07:12.580 a touchy bunch of cunts. 0.99
01:07:13.900 California. 0.99
01:07:17.300 See you there.
01:07:18.280 Very, very funny guy.
01:07:19.540 I'm on Twitter
01:07:20.060 at Constantine Kissin.
01:07:21.140 Francis.
01:07:21.760 I'm on Twitter
01:07:22.280 at Failing Human.
01:07:24.740 Absolutely appropriate.
01:07:26.040 And there we are.
01:07:26.980 We'll see you next week.
01:07:27.660 Thank you.
01:07:30.360 We'll be right back.