TRIGGERnometry - Seann Walsh： Cancelled for a Kiss

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00:00:30.580 We've just finished The Paso Doble on Saturday Night Live on television.

00:00:34.980 And, you know, to millions of people.

00:00:36.980 And I've got through.

00:00:38.180 I'm so happy.

00:00:39.820 And he says, can I have a word of you outside?

00:00:43.160 And I think he's going to tell me that I've been booked for Michael McIntyre's big show on BBC One.

00:00:48.920 Another huge show.

00:00:49.560 So to the American viewers, like, you know, the people in North America, around the world,

00:00:52.880 Michael McIntyre is our Seinfeld.

00:00:54.600 He is, you know, he is the main man.

00:00:57.860 Phenomenal comedian.

00:00:58.660 And that's BBC One.

00:01:00.160 That's prime time.

00:01:00.940 That's the dream.

00:01:01.660 I'm going to do stand-up comedy on Michael McIntyre's big show.

00:01:06.760 So I'm walking out, thinking, how do I act surprised when he tells me?

00:01:11.880 Because I think this is pretty much nailed on.

00:01:13.300 And then he says, you know, 20 minutes ago, you've got a photograph went up online of you kissing Kasia outside a pub.

00:01:20.680 So then life flips.

00:01:26.460 And you don't do Michael McIntyre's big show.

00:01:29.000 You do trigonometry.

00:01:29.980 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:40.680 I'm Francis Foster.

00:01:41.840 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:01:43.000 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:01:48.100 Our brilliant guest today is a fantastic British comedian, Sean Walsh.

00:01:51.220 Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:01:52.220 Thank you very much.

00:01:53.040 Thank you for having me.

00:01:53.800 I didn't know where to look when you were doing that bit.

00:01:56.580 Yeah.

00:01:57.100 You were talking to the camera.

00:01:58.160 Yeah.

00:01:58.620 What?

00:01:59.000 There's some people watching.

00:02:00.240 No, I know.

00:02:00.620 But where do I look?

00:02:01.660 Look at us.

00:02:02.560 You look at us, mate.

00:02:03.420 No, I know.

00:02:03.760 I look at you now.

00:02:04.740 Yeah.

00:02:05.040 But I didn't know what to do when you were looking at that.

00:02:06.940 Yeah.

00:02:07.720 What do people normally do when you're doing that bit?

00:02:10.300 Watch you do that.

00:02:11.480 Yeah.

00:02:12.580 I felt uncomfortable.

00:02:13.800 Do you want to do it again?

00:02:14.840 No, I really don't want to do it again.

00:02:16.540 I started looking at the poster.

00:02:17.840 I was like, maybe I should just look around the room.

00:02:20.340 Okay, but we're fine now.

00:02:21.520 We're fine now.

00:02:22.020 Okay, good.

00:02:22.560 It's good to have you on, man.

00:02:23.460 So we've got a big international audience.

00:02:25.780 And so for them, you've had a great mainstream career.

00:02:29.820 You were in all the big comedy shows in this country,

00:02:32.000 Mock the Week, Live at the Apollo, 8 Out of 10 Cats.

00:02:34.880 And now you're here.

00:02:36.300 So you've done fucked up, my brother.

00:02:41.180 No, this is the peak.

00:02:42.740 This is the peak.

00:02:43.600 This is what we're all aiming for.

00:02:46.880 So let's just, for people who don't know,

00:02:49.840 just tell a little bit about your story,

00:02:51.840 you know, growing up, getting into comedy.

00:02:53.560 Why I'm here.

00:02:54.280 How I've ended up here.

00:02:56.180 Exactly.

00:02:57.080 That is exactly the question.

00:02:59.180 So I've been doing comedy now for 15 years.

00:03:01.540 Always wanted to be a comedian.

00:03:03.020 Was doing stand-up in, like, the playground as a kid,

00:03:05.680 lovely Evans, all of that stuff.

00:03:07.160 It's all I ever really wanted to do.

00:03:08.980 And I've now been doing it professionally,

00:03:11.460 as I say, for 15 years.

00:03:12.860 And was very lucky.

00:03:14.220 Did all the big shows.

00:03:15.920 And...

00:03:16.280 You had a lot of early success, didn't you?

00:03:19.400 I suppose I did.

00:03:21.480 It's weird, you don't say that about yourself.

00:03:25.000 I said it about you.

00:03:25.900 You said it about me.

00:03:27.280 But you also don't...

00:03:28.600 I think as I've gotten older,

00:03:29.980 I've got a bit more comfortable with it.

00:03:31.580 And you can look back retrospectively and go,

00:03:33.920 oh, God, I think I was...

00:03:35.500 What I was doing was kind of...

00:03:37.440 That was quite extraordinary for someone in their mid-20s

00:03:40.080 to be doing those things.

00:03:40.940 Early 20s.

00:03:41.860 You were...

00:03:42.280 Yeah, early mids.

00:03:43.460 20, kind of, 23.

00:03:45.000 And not to keep interrupting you,

00:03:46.640 but Mock the Week back then

00:03:48.080 was very different to Mock the Week now.

00:03:50.320 It had a way bigger audience.

00:03:52.200 I remember when I...

00:03:54.280 When I did...

00:03:56.320 When I did...

00:03:57.240 The first time I did Mock the Week,

00:03:58.700 it went out when I was at the Edinburgh Festival.

00:04:01.500 And I think I...

00:04:02.100 I was either 23 or 24,

00:04:04.300 and I was doing what any 23, 24-year-old,

00:04:06.980 you know, was doing.

00:04:07.920 I was getting completely shit-faced.

00:04:09.700 And I got on...

00:04:10.820 When Mock the Week went out,

00:04:12.200 my first ever Mock...

00:04:13.580 Like you say,

00:04:14.360 it was the days of Frankie Boyle.

00:04:16.980 I went out the night before...

00:04:19.900 So I went out the night it went out,

00:04:21.900 and then I was locked out.

00:04:23.520 And the flat we had was on...

00:04:25.040 What's one of the main roads in Edinburgh

00:04:26.960 that crosses the bridge?

00:04:28.000 Like Nielsen Street.

00:04:29.060 Yeah.

00:04:29.340 Nicholson Street.

00:04:30.880 The flat was in Nicholson Street.

00:04:32.380 I was locked out,

00:04:33.480 and I fell asleep

00:04:34.580 outside the front door on Nicholson Street

00:04:37.640 using bin bags as pillows.

00:04:39.700 And people were stepping over me

00:04:41.860 to go to work.

00:04:43.140 I thought,

00:04:43.420 what must they have been thinking?

00:04:44.780 Like, that's the guy from Mock the Week.

00:04:48.220 He's homeless.

00:04:50.880 So, yes, I was very young,

00:04:54.560 and I was doing those things.

00:04:55.840 And then, fast forward,

00:04:58.700 did Strictly Come Dancing,

00:05:00.600 which in America is dancing with the stars.

00:05:03.780 And three weeks in,

00:05:05.600 got...

00:05:06.220 Three weeks,

00:05:08.260 quite famously,

00:05:09.180 got undermarked with my Paso Doble.

00:05:12.440 That was one of the things that happened.

00:05:15.520 I do think we were undermarked.

00:05:17.540 No, I got photographed.

00:05:19.460 Someone very kindly photographed me

00:05:22.600 and my dance partner kissing,

00:05:24.160 and I was in a relationship,

00:05:25.240 and she was married.

00:05:26.380 Yeah.

00:05:26.640 So, that was three...

00:05:27.740 Over three years ago now.

00:05:29.200 And there was quite the...

00:05:30.780 There was quite the...

00:05:31.520 Well, you were on the front page of The Sun,

00:05:33.560 which is the biggest tabloid in this country,

00:05:35.320 as far as I know,

00:05:35.980 for 12 days in a row.

00:05:37.340 I think it was 12 days, yeah.

00:05:39.460 What was that like?

00:05:40.520 Just going from...

00:05:41.480 Because...

00:05:42.100 I mean,

00:05:43.740 you were nailing it.

00:05:45.360 Well, you know,

00:05:45.980 for the first few weeks,

00:05:47.140 you know,

00:05:47.520 you were doing really...

00:05:48.320 I was having the time of my life.

00:05:49.680 You were smashing it.

00:05:50.860 And, you know,

00:05:51.280 it was all, you know...

00:05:52.240 Well, I think...

00:05:52.780 I genuinely think we were...

00:05:54.880 I mean,

00:05:55.160 I know this is not what you got me here for,

00:05:58.320 but I think we were undermarked for the tango

00:06:00.160 and undermarked for the Paso Doble.

00:06:01.620 And I'm saying that.

00:06:02.840 I'm putting it out there.

00:06:04.160 No, it was going really, really well.

00:06:06.460 It was...

00:06:06.960 It was...

00:06:08.540 It...

00:06:08.960 Look,

00:06:09.980 you...

00:06:10.520 You kind of...

00:06:12.460 You get into comedy.

00:06:13.860 I don't know what you guys got into this for,

00:06:15.860 but I got into it.

00:06:17.060 I wanted...

00:06:17.600 I wanted to make people laugh,

00:06:19.140 and I wanted to make as many people laugh

00:06:20.740 as I possibly could.

00:06:22.700 And now I was on the biggest show on television,

00:06:25.400 and people seemed...

00:06:26.820 You know,

00:06:27.160 people seemed to like me,

00:06:29.060 and I was having fun.

00:06:30.020 I was dancing.

00:06:31.420 I was doing this thing

00:06:32.160 that no one expected me to do.

00:06:34.900 It's not the kind of thing,

00:06:36.360 if you've seen my act or you know me,

00:06:38.280 you wouldn't associate me with a show like that.

00:06:40.780 But I was having the time of my life,

00:06:42.560 and it was...

00:06:43.600 Yeah, who knows what would have happened

00:06:46.060 or how far that would have got.

00:06:49.080 And it's one of the few shows

00:06:50.380 that still on television

00:06:51.560 has a huge audience.

00:06:52.920 So if you come across well

00:06:54.320 and people like you,

00:06:56.080 you're going to be touring to huge...

00:06:58.460 Stop reminding me.

00:07:00.940 But I'm just...

00:07:02.020 But you've done a special about that thing,

00:07:04.640 so I'm kind of taking you through

00:07:05.880 some of the stuff you talk about,

00:07:07.240 because this was the dream, right?

00:07:09.600 Yes.

00:07:09.860 And then three weeks in,

00:07:12.040 you know,

00:07:12.600 this thing's happened.

00:07:13.700 You get caught, essentially,

00:07:14.880 in this.

00:07:16.160 Photographed.

00:07:16.660 And then your agent taps you on the shoulder,

00:07:18.240 goes,

00:07:18.420 can we just pop outside?

00:07:19.640 I've got something to tell you.

00:07:20.720 You go there.

00:07:21.480 And specifically,

00:07:22.880 I think it kind of heightens the drama.

00:07:25.700 And, you know,

00:07:27.160 95...

00:07:28.000 Well, I'm joking in the show.

00:07:29.460 It's clear that I'm joking.

00:07:30.580 But everything else is really what happened.

00:07:33.200 He says,

00:07:34.160 is it right to have a word of you outside?

00:07:36.860 We've just finished the Paso Doble

00:07:38.240 on Saturday Night Live on television.

00:07:40.980 And, you know,

00:07:41.700 to millions of people.

00:07:43.040 And I've got through.

00:07:44.220 I'm so happy.

00:07:45.880 And he says,

00:07:47.360 can I have a word of you outside?

00:07:49.200 And I think he's going to tell me

00:07:51.080 that I've been booked

00:07:52.440 for Michael McIntyre's big show

00:07:54.020 on BBC One.

00:07:54.960 Another huge show.

00:07:55.360 So to the American viewers,

00:07:56.820 like, you know,

00:07:57.300 the people in North America

00:07:58.160 around the world,

00:07:58.900 Michael McIntyre is our Seinfeld.

00:08:00.780 He is, you know,

00:08:01.700 he is the main man.

00:08:03.940 Phenomenal comedian.

00:08:05.060 And that's BBC One.

00:08:06.180 That's prime time.

00:08:06.960 That's the dream.

00:08:07.640 I'm going to do stand-up comedy

00:08:09.560 on Michael McIntyre's big show.

00:08:12.600 So I'm walking out

00:08:14.100 thinking,

00:08:15.840 how do I act surprised

00:08:17.160 when he tells me?

00:08:17.900 Because I think this is pretty much

00:08:18.820 nailed on.

00:08:19.940 And then he says,

00:08:20.900 as I say in the show,

00:08:21.580 he says, you know,

00:08:22.120 20 minutes ago,

00:08:22.840 you've got a photograph

00:08:24.520 went up online of you

00:08:25.840 kissing Cassia outside a pub.

00:08:27.920 So then life flips.

00:08:33.560 And you don't do

00:08:34.540 Michael McIntyre's big show.

00:08:36.060 You do trigonometry.

00:08:37.100 But it's nice to be able

00:08:45.700 to kind of,

00:08:46.820 I'll say this,

00:08:47.700 you know,

00:08:48.000 I don't know where this

00:08:48.760 interview is going to go,

00:08:50.000 but doing that show,

00:08:53.040 people,

00:08:53.460 the assumption people make

00:08:54.620 and even have made

00:08:55.840 about that show

00:08:56.580 is that it was,

00:08:57.900 it would seem as if

00:08:58.940 it would be cathartic.

00:09:00.840 And I think

00:09:01.800 it was kind of cathartic

00:09:04.020 on the first few goes.

00:09:05.960 You do that show,

00:09:07.840 you tell your story.

00:09:08.980 And I told it,

00:09:09.560 I pretty much,

00:09:10.640 I think I was doing that show

00:09:12.660 up to like,

00:09:14.120 kind of like,

00:09:14.880 I don't know,

00:09:15.920 four months after it happened

00:09:17.180 or three,

00:09:17.620 I wrote it in a month.

00:09:18.780 I went to LA.

00:09:19.660 Wow.

00:09:20.120 And not to be showbiz,

00:09:22.240 I went away because

00:09:23.400 I couldn't write it here.

00:09:25.960 It was,

00:09:26.640 you know,

00:09:27.120 I couldn't gig here.

00:09:28.220 I couldn't.

00:09:29.220 Well,

00:09:29.400 I know that feeling

00:09:29.920 you're walking around

00:09:30.700 thinking that person

00:09:31.600 has looked at me.

00:09:32.160 Do they know me?

00:09:32.940 Like it's really uncomfortable.

00:09:34.960 It's horrific.

00:09:35.960 It's really horrific.

00:09:37.120 So you're sitting on,

00:09:38.380 yeah,

00:09:38.500 you're sitting on the tube

00:09:39.260 and someone gives you a look

00:09:40.200 and it's,

00:09:40.560 oh God,

00:09:40.860 they hate me.

00:09:41.560 That's not,

00:09:42.040 you're not going to be able

00:09:42.440 to write a show in that,

00:09:43.180 in that state of mind.

00:09:44.880 So I went away.

00:09:46.960 But,

00:09:47.280 so I came back

00:09:48.140 and it worked.

00:09:49.060 People seemed to be laughing

00:09:50.160 at the show

00:09:50.800 and you felt like,

00:09:52.120 wow,

00:09:52.520 I've,

00:09:53.100 and there was this kind of

00:09:54.000 self-con,

00:09:55.460 how do you pronounce it?

00:09:56.940 Self-congratulating.

00:09:58.960 Yeah.

00:09:59.540 No,

00:09:59.780 that wasn't it.

00:10:00.380 No.

00:10:01.160 Self-conglatering.

00:10:02.180 No.

00:10:02.960 Yes.

00:10:04.260 It's contagious.

00:10:05.660 Self-congratulating.

00:10:06.860 Self-congratulating.

00:10:10.400 Okay.

00:10:11.020 I was impressed with myself.

00:10:12.380 but it's,

00:10:14.880 you then had to

00:10:16.740 repeat this story

00:10:18.460 every night on tour

00:10:19.840 and then take it to Edinburgh

00:10:21.420 and repeat

00:10:22.440 what was at the time

00:10:24.060 the most horrific thing

00:10:25.660 I'd ever been through

00:10:27.440 and hope that I ever go through

00:10:29.040 and repeat that every night

00:10:30.500 and people were laughing.

00:10:32.240 It was,

00:10:32.740 it was,

00:10:33.320 oh God,

00:10:33.960 there were periods where

00:10:35.120 in Edinburgh

00:10:36.020 where I was like,

00:10:37.020 they would laugh

00:10:38.020 and there'd be a moment

00:10:39.500 where I'd turn around

00:10:40.360 and I'd have my back

00:10:41.260 to the crown

00:10:41.620 and I would just be

00:10:42.540 turning around and going,

00:10:44.960 and then coming back.

00:10:47.240 But what was so nice

00:10:48.620 about the recording

00:10:50.560 is it was three years afterwards

00:10:51.740 and it kind of heightened the,

00:10:54.460 how ludicrous

00:10:55.420 the whole thing was

00:10:56.980 and actually I had a lot of fun

00:10:58.940 doing the show

00:10:59.460 so it's really nice

00:11:00.420 that the recording of the show

00:11:01.920 was actually enjoyable for me.

00:11:04.400 I really loved doing it.

00:11:05.800 Whereas if we had recorded

00:11:06.920 the show

00:11:08.460 in the heat of it,

00:11:10.400 you would have had a man

00:11:11.580 pretending that he wanted

00:11:12.720 to be there

00:11:13.280 and I didn't want to be there.

00:11:15.260 What's it like being

00:11:16.140 in the heat of that,

00:11:17.100 in the eye of that media storm?

00:11:20.040 What is it like

00:11:20.840 to pick up an edition

00:11:22.420 of The Sun

00:11:22.900 or a copy of The Sun

00:11:24.140 and your face

00:11:26.040 is on the front cover

00:11:27.360 with some ridiculous headline?

00:11:30.420 That must have been awful.

00:11:32.140 Well,

00:11:35.180 I think these things

00:11:38.780 are a lot more

00:11:39.760 pernicious than you expect.

00:11:42.660 So,

00:11:43.980 you kind of emotionally

00:11:45.740 deteriorate.

00:11:49.180 Deteriorate.

00:11:50.140 That's what we can do.

00:11:51.500 Deteriorate.

00:11:52.780 But at the time

00:11:53.860 there's too much adrenaline

00:11:54.900 to actually take in

00:11:56.900 what's happening.

00:11:57.660 You're not,

00:11:58.320 you don't see the front page

00:11:59.600 and go,

00:11:59.880 this is awful.

00:12:00.580 You can't,

00:12:00.940 you can't,

00:12:01.540 you can't believe

00:12:02.660 what it is

00:12:05.080 that you're going through.

00:12:07.080 You're just,

00:12:08.140 you're in shock

00:12:08.840 to be honest.

00:12:09.920 And what I thought

00:12:11.440 was

00:12:11.880 maybe interesting

00:12:14.400 as a show

00:12:16.040 was that

00:12:17.300 I was now living,

00:12:18.820 you know,

00:12:19.080 like,

00:12:19.640 you see the tabloids,

00:12:20.740 I don't read the tabloids,

00:12:21.880 but whenever I see

00:12:23.020 the tabloids,

00:12:23.540 it's usually going

00:12:24.140 into a petrol station

00:12:25.140 on tour

00:12:25.640 and they're out

00:12:26.200 in those boxes,

00:12:27.160 those weird boxes

00:12:27.820 with the clear screens

00:12:28.500 and you have a glance.

00:12:30.120 You have a glance

00:12:31.020 and you carry on

00:12:31.980 with your life

00:12:32.580 and you never think

00:12:34.040 about that thing

00:12:34.940 that you've glanced

00:12:35.600 at ever again.

00:12:36.840 And suddenly

00:12:37.500 I was the thing

00:12:38.900 that you glance at

00:12:41.680 and never think about again

00:12:42.700 and yet I was going

00:12:44.080 to have to think

00:12:44.520 about this every day,

00:12:45.900 forever.

00:12:48.580 The distance

00:12:49.540 between glancing

00:12:50.820 at that story

00:12:51.560 and being in that story

00:12:52.580 was so massive

00:12:54.280 that I can't believe

00:12:57.640 that thing

00:12:58.140 that I glance at

00:12:59.040 feels like this.

00:13:00.240 So when you've just

00:13:00.900 glanced at that story,

00:13:02.220 whatever it is,

00:13:02.780 you're like,

00:13:03.620 oh my God,

00:13:04.060 that person's,

00:13:04.880 that person's whole life

00:13:07.700 has collapsed

00:13:09.080 and it's just something

00:13:10.540 that I go,

00:13:11.160 and now I'm being that

00:13:14.040 and I thought

00:13:15.640 that maybe,

00:13:17.920 I was like,

00:13:18.320 do people know

00:13:19.980 that that story

00:13:20.800 they're glancing at

00:13:21.640 is like,

00:13:22.860 is the destruction

00:13:23.940 of someone's life?

00:13:24.940 Do they know that?

00:13:25.620 And I thought,

00:13:26.140 they probably don't

00:13:26.960 because I didn't.

00:13:28.080 And I thought,

00:13:28.480 that's what,

00:13:28.980 and I thought,

00:13:29.360 maybe that will be the show.

00:13:31.500 I'll kind of go,

00:13:32.580 because not,

00:13:33.040 you know,

00:13:33.200 it doesn't normally,

00:13:34.240 it's not normally

00:13:34.960 a stand-up comedian

00:13:35.960 that's centre to those stories.

00:13:38.440 So I strangely,

00:13:40.240 I kind of uniquely

00:13:41.380 have an opportunity

00:13:42.440 to kind of tell this story,

00:13:44.440 which most people,

00:13:45.260 if you were a singer,

00:13:46.360 all right,

00:13:46.620 you might write a song,

00:13:47.500 but you're not going

00:13:48.440 to be able to capture

00:13:49.180 that nuance

00:13:50.520 and that kind of,

00:13:53.000 perhaps that trauma

00:13:54.320 in a song

00:13:55.720 in three minutes,

00:13:57.100 but I'll have an hour

00:13:58.140 to kind of demonstrate

00:13:59.360 what this was like.

00:14:02.000 It was just,

00:14:03.940 it was a kind of

00:14:04.820 outer body experience.

00:14:07.820 I don't,

00:14:09.700 you're looking at the,

00:14:10.800 it was the,

00:14:12.920 you know,

00:14:13.140 you've got the physical paper itself,

00:14:14.820 which I didn't really

00:14:15.360 ever see,

00:14:15.840 by the way.

00:14:16.600 I saw the first one

00:14:17.580 on that Sunday.

00:14:19.880 I did see that

00:14:21.000 when I popped into a shop,

00:14:23.380 but after that,

00:14:24.040 I never really saw

00:14:24.800 the front,

00:14:25.260 it was all on the,

00:14:25.980 it was all on the internet

00:14:26.980 and it was just.

00:14:30.220 Were you able to switch off

00:14:31.300 because I had something

00:14:32.080 on a smaller scale,

00:14:33.180 but like,

00:14:33.580 I know your phone

00:14:34.640 is filled up

00:14:35.220 with fucking journalists

00:14:37.080 going,

00:14:37.560 oh,

00:14:37.720 can we get messages

00:14:39.320 and Twitter is going mental

00:14:41.240 and all of that.

00:14:42.300 Were you able to switch off

00:14:43.220 from that

00:14:43.560 or was that?

00:14:44.200 No.

00:14:44.400 Is it?

00:14:45.920 No,

00:14:46.300 no,

00:14:46.420 no,

00:14:46.540 no,

00:14:46.660 no,

00:14:46.920 no,

00:14:47.440 it would,

00:14:47.920 it would just,

00:14:51.360 it would just,

00:14:52.400 I mean,

00:14:53.640 you know,

00:14:54.120 I'm much,

00:14:54.680 obviously it's been three years.

00:14:56.180 I'm,

00:14:56.420 I'm much better than I,

00:14:58.480 I,

00:14:58.920 than I was,

00:15:00.160 but I mean,

00:15:00.680 it was,

00:15:01.740 I'd been kind of traumatized

00:15:03.700 by the whole thing.

00:15:04.360 It was,

00:15:04.820 it was all I thought about

00:15:06.020 on,

00:15:06.880 on just a constant basis,

00:15:09.240 like we would be talking

00:15:11.140 and then maybe if you left

00:15:12.580 and I was on my own,

00:15:13.400 it would just go back to that.

00:15:14.400 And I would relive

00:15:15.300 all of the tweets

00:15:16.920 and I would relive

00:15:17.620 all of the things

00:15:18.360 that people had said about me

00:15:19.740 and it just echoed.

00:15:21.600 It couldn't sleep at night.

00:15:22.620 It would just,

00:15:23.520 it would just be there.

00:15:24.620 It was,

00:15:25.160 by the way,

00:15:25.720 I should say,

00:15:27.200 sometimes when I end up

00:15:28.640 talking about this publicly,

00:15:31.400 what happened,

00:15:32.040 the response to it

00:15:32.900 a lot of the time,

00:15:33.700 unfortunately,

00:15:34.560 is,

00:15:34.900 look at him,

00:15:35.340 he's now playing the victim.

00:15:36.580 I go,

00:15:36.780 no,

00:15:36.900 no,

00:15:37.000 I'm not playing the victim.

00:15:38.780 I'm just,

00:15:39.580 I'm being asked a question

00:15:40.820 of what it was like.

00:15:41.520 I'm telling you

00:15:42.140 what the punishment felt like.

00:15:43.800 And there'll be people

00:15:44.540 that go,

00:15:44.860 good.

00:15:45.240 And I've had people say,

00:15:46.340 good,

00:15:46.540 I'm glad you went through that.

00:15:50.260 And fine,

00:15:51.320 you know,

00:15:51.540 whatever.

00:15:52.000 But I'm just,

00:15:53.180 I'm not,

00:15:53.820 I have to be clear.

00:15:55.140 I'm not,

00:15:55.680 it's very important.

00:15:56.680 I'm not looking for sympathy.

00:15:58.400 You've got to come,

00:15:59.620 you've got to enter

00:16:00.800 a place in your life

00:16:01.600 where you've got to try

00:16:03.080 and not care about

00:16:04.040 what people,

00:16:04.920 and it's so hard,

00:16:05.980 especially with what we do,

00:16:07.920 because you're trying

00:16:08.680 to go on stage

00:16:09.480 and you want people

00:16:11.620 to like what you said,

00:16:12.640 laugh and like you

00:16:13.820 and have a good time.

00:16:15.260 You,

00:16:15.440 you know,

00:16:16.040 like I say in the show,

00:16:17.100 you don't,

00:16:17.920 what happened was the opposite

00:16:19.260 of what I was looking for.

00:16:20.240 I didn't want people

00:16:20.980 to hate me.

00:16:22.500 So,

00:16:23.700 what it's done is

00:16:24.560 it's kind of made me

00:16:26.240 try and build this wall,

00:16:28.780 which I'm not doing very well,

00:16:29.720 of not caring

00:16:30.480 what people think.

00:16:31.420 So,

00:16:31.820 I'm not looking

00:16:32.540 for anyone's sympathy.

00:16:34.620 You know,

00:16:35.340 I,

00:16:35.440 I've got to not care

00:16:36.980 what,

00:16:37.180 what they think,

00:16:38.760 which is hard.

00:16:39.620 It's really hard

00:16:40.260 because you,

00:16:41.320 you just want people.

00:16:42.820 I mean,

00:16:43.120 I don't know.

00:16:43.820 The problem is

00:16:44.320 I'm now at the stage

00:16:45.160 of my life

00:16:45.600 where I know,

00:16:47.380 you know,

00:16:47.600 I mainly know comedians.

00:16:48.920 I'm that guy.

00:16:50.140 And so we,

00:16:51.120 we are actually,

00:16:52.760 we've got a thing

00:16:53.480 where we,

00:16:53.880 we want to go up

00:16:55.040 and be liked.

00:16:56.180 It's really odd

00:16:57.500 and men,

00:16:58.940 quite friendly,

00:16:59.720 mental.

00:17:00.480 But I don't know

00:17:01.440 if,

00:17:01.680 you know,

00:17:01.900 that would apply

00:17:02.440 to someone

00:17:02.860 that didn't do comedy.

00:17:04.120 Would you go,

00:17:04.460 do you just,

00:17:05.060 I think people just

00:17:05.740 want to be liked,

00:17:06.580 don't they?

00:17:06.940 Yeah,

00:17:07.100 of course we do.

00:17:07.540 Tonight's lovely.

00:17:08.560 It's really nice.

00:17:09.680 Like,

00:17:10.340 you know,

00:17:10.780 people go,

00:17:11.400 I like you.

00:17:11.980 I like you.

00:17:12.820 It's great.

00:17:13.280 It's lovely.

00:17:14.360 You know,

00:17:14.960 it happens less and less.

00:17:15.660 I don't get that much.

00:17:22.220 But,

00:17:22.660 yeah.

00:17:24.760 I'm so sorry.

00:17:25.960 No,

00:17:26.360 no,

00:17:26.420 we knew what we were getting into,

00:17:29.140 but let me ask you this

00:17:29.880 because,

00:17:30.500 look,

00:17:30.920 my wife and I met

00:17:31.980 when we were 18,

00:17:33.220 been together since.

00:17:35.000 So,

00:17:35.760 I am exactly the sort of person

00:17:37.300 that would judge you

00:17:38.040 for what happened.

00:17:38.700 Yes.

00:17:39.100 Right?

00:17:39.360 Yes.

00:17:40.000 But you joke about it

00:17:41.420 in the show.

00:17:41.960 You say,

00:17:42.640 look,

00:17:42.900 guys,

00:17:43.120 it's been three years

00:17:43.880 and I think I can say this,

00:17:45.540 you overreacted.

00:17:46.640 And it's presented

00:17:47.320 in a beautiful joke

00:17:48.200 and it's funny.

00:17:49.060 Thank you.

00:17:49.780 And I would say

00:17:50.400 even the type of person

00:17:52.040 that would normally judge you,

00:17:53.420 I mean,

00:17:54.080 the reaction

00:17:54.760 to what happened

00:17:56.120 wasn't,

00:17:56.880 and this isn't,

00:17:57.480 again,

00:17:57.680 this isn't about making you

00:17:58.560 play the victim or.

00:17:59.400 No,

00:17:59.660 yeah.

00:18:00.100 But,

00:18:00.640 but it was absurd,

00:18:02.260 wasn't it?

00:18:04.200 Look at,

00:18:04.680 look at the prime minister

00:18:05.440 of this country,

00:18:06.260 right?

00:18:06.420 The prime minister,

00:18:07.200 an elected politician

00:18:08.140 keeps cheating on his wives

00:18:09.620 and whatever.

00:18:10.880 And he's the prime minister.

00:18:12.980 Yeah.

00:18:13.860 Can you say that

00:18:15.000 without having to get cut?

00:18:16.000 No,

00:18:16.560 no,

00:18:16.780 yeah,

00:18:17.140 we're fine.

00:18:18.740 Yeah,

00:18:19.220 yeah,

00:18:19.420 and here's a comedian.

00:18:24.980 Yeah.

00:18:26.300 Look,

00:18:26.820 it's not morally

00:18:28.160 the right thing to do,

00:18:29.720 but was that

00:18:31.460 the proportionate response

00:18:32.900 to what happened?

00:18:34.080 Well,

00:18:34.320 I,

00:18:35.740 the,

00:18:36.100 the,

00:18:36.440 the thing is,

00:18:39.160 is,

00:18:40.320 you know,

00:18:41.040 obviously I,

00:18:42.020 I went through it,

00:18:43.060 so I'm going back.

00:18:44.920 You're a little biased too.

00:18:45.340 Yeah,

00:18:45.900 I,

00:18:46.120 totally.

00:18:46.900 There's a bit of bias here.

00:18:48.100 Yeah.

00:18:48.420 No,

00:18:48.580 in terms of,

00:18:50.340 I think in terms of what,

00:18:52.200 I think in terms of what the tabloids

00:18:55.080 decided to write,

00:18:57.660 you're,

00:18:59.340 you,

00:18:59.880 you,

00:19:00.200 you know,

00:19:00.480 you sign a contract,

00:19:01.460 don't you,

00:19:01.720 with the devil,

00:19:02.320 is you,

00:19:03.000 you go,

00:19:03.320 I'm going to go on the biggest show

00:19:04.460 on,

00:19:04.900 on television.

00:19:05.940 And it's,

00:19:06.320 and it's,

00:19:06.760 you know,

00:19:06.940 it's kind of a,

00:19:07.500 it's a family show,

00:19:08.420 isn't it?

00:19:08.760 I mean,

00:19:08.940 obviously,

00:19:09.440 we,

00:19:10.320 you know,

00:19:10.600 we didn't do that on the show.

00:19:13.680 It was outside of,

00:19:15.080 I mean,

00:19:15.220 that would have,

00:19:15.680 yes,

00:19:15.960 that,

00:19:16.180 yeah.

00:19:16.760 Think of the ratings.

00:19:19.780 But,

00:19:20.180 you know,

00:19:20.480 outside of the show.

00:19:22.520 And,

00:19:22.540 there was a photo as well,

00:19:27.420 you know,

00:19:27.640 everyone says that about,

00:19:29.500 you know,

00:19:30.760 people,

00:19:31.000 you know,

00:19:31.460 people have done this before

00:19:32.480 and people have done worse,

00:19:33.640 but they,

00:19:33.940 they didn't have a photo.

00:19:36.540 So,

00:19:36.780 you know,

00:19:37.180 can you imagine what these journalists,

00:19:40.020 It's like the Matt Hancock thing.

00:19:41.800 There was a video.

00:19:42.960 Yeah.

00:19:43.760 And so that makes it that much worse.

00:19:45.440 In a corridor.

00:19:46.360 Yeah.

00:19:46.540 CCTV,

00:19:47.240 wasn't it?

00:19:47.720 Yeah,

00:19:47.740 yeah.

00:19:48.260 That makes it that much worse.

00:19:49.800 The little ass grab and all that,

00:19:51.220 you know,

00:19:51.460 it adds,

00:19:52.260 it adds flavour.

00:19:54.100 Hang on,

00:19:54.380 did I do it?

00:19:54.840 Who did he do it?

00:19:55.520 No,

00:19:55.540 no,

00:19:55.700 he did that.

00:19:57.380 Oh,

00:19:57.560 actually,

00:19:57.880 we have a photo of Sean.

00:20:00.560 Don't make me.

00:20:02.800 We have the photo here.

00:20:04.440 Oh my God.

00:20:05.140 Just get it up on the desk.

00:20:06.420 Oh,

00:20:06.760 no.

00:20:09.280 I've never thought about that,

00:20:10.360 but the photo,

00:20:11.140 you think,

00:20:11.560 is part of why it went as big as it did.

00:20:13.980 Oh,

00:20:14.100 no,

00:20:14.640 right.

00:20:15.740 No,

00:20:15.940 of course.

00:20:16.800 Right.

00:20:17.260 No,

00:20:17.400 of course.

00:20:19.500 Honestly,

00:20:20.040 by the way,

00:20:20.440 this isn't a kind of change of heart.

00:20:22.260 The tabloids,

00:20:27.220 what you have to realise is,

00:20:30.500 although I had done all these stand-up shows,

00:20:33.140 I don't think the public,

00:20:34.900 you know,

00:20:35.120 I wasn't a kind of BBC One face.

00:20:38.540 The public didn't really know who I was.

00:20:41.820 They might say they knew my name.

00:20:43.100 They knew the guy,

00:20:43.740 the guy with the long hair and the nasally voice.

00:20:46.080 The really irritating voice.

00:20:48.520 It sounds like he smoked 40 a day.

00:20:50.800 Him.

00:20:52.160 Like,

00:20:52.880 they didn't actually know who I was.

00:20:54.460 So what you do then is your whole personality

00:20:58.240 and your whole identity is up for grabs.

00:21:00.780 Because anyone can write anything about you,

00:21:03.220 because this is now how the public are going to find out about you.

00:21:07.720 They've got no preconception.

00:21:09.720 They can't go,

00:21:10.720 I don't know about that.

00:21:12.120 I don't reckon he's like that.

00:21:13.240 I watched him,

00:21:14.160 I watched him on a documentary

00:21:15.440 and he kind of seemed like a nice guy.

00:21:18.020 You know,

00:21:18.560 the way you have a familiarity with,

00:21:20.600 say,

00:21:21.000 Ant and Dec,

00:21:22.180 for example,

00:21:22.800 you kind of,

00:21:23.500 you've got that warm Saturday night,

00:21:25.280 you feel like you know them.

00:21:26.520 So if something is written about them,

00:21:28.980 you kind of got this,

00:21:30.580 this judgment that you can make about the person.

00:21:32.620 I don't know.

00:21:34.280 I'm not sure I buy that.

00:21:36.700 You,

00:21:37.500 the only information you were getting about me as a person,

00:21:40.560 as a human being,

00:21:41.540 was through what was being written about me.

00:21:44.300 That,

00:21:45.360 so what do you,

00:21:46.260 what are people expected to do?

00:21:47.760 If they,

00:21:48.740 this guy has cheated on his girlfriend.

00:21:52.960 He's kissed his dance partner,

00:21:54.960 his photograph.

00:21:56.220 And then every article of it is about how much of a cunt he is.

00:22:00.260 Well,

00:22:01.900 there was no,

00:22:03.280 there was no opposing,

00:22:06.380 there was no opposition to that.

00:22:08.280 What am I meant to do?

00:22:09.140 Am I meant to come out and tweet?

00:22:10.500 I know,

00:22:11.360 hang on.

00:22:12.420 Sorry.

00:22:12.960 I know,

00:22:13.200 I know I did that,

00:22:14.040 but actually I'm a nice guy.

00:22:15.500 I can't do that.

00:22:17.100 And there was,

00:22:17.860 there was going to be no journalist that was going to do that for me.

00:22:21.760 So the tabloids are running that story.

00:22:23.440 If you get caught kissing your dance partner,

00:22:26.540 this is what will happen.

00:22:28.180 So we could talk about,

00:22:29.240 it was blown out of proportion,

00:22:30.500 but I was on the biggest show and you could give all the things going on in the world.

00:22:37.000 How comes that you're on the front page for 12 days doing this?

00:22:41.220 Well,

00:22:41.360 because it's,

00:22:42.920 it's,

00:22:43.640 it's celebrity culture.

00:22:45.060 This is what people find interesting.

00:22:47.440 Maybe not you and I,

00:22:48.380 but this is what,

00:22:50.760 this is what people like seemingly evidently are into.

00:22:55.240 We're into people's private lives.

00:22:58.060 And if,

00:22:58.300 and what,

00:22:59.040 is there anything more fun than reading about how much of a cunt someone is?

00:23:05.080 Absolutely not.

00:23:06.380 So people are going like,

00:23:08.040 oh fuck,

00:23:08.740 look,

00:23:08.900 he's,

00:23:09.240 he's a cunt.

00:23:10.560 Look,

00:23:10.740 look,

00:23:10.940 read it.

00:23:11.520 Look,

00:23:11.700 there's a photo of him being a cunt.

00:23:14.400 And every photo,

00:23:15.960 I mean,

00:23:16.240 they did,

00:23:17.220 you know,

00:23:17.760 they did manipulate my,

00:23:19.260 my personality a lot.

00:23:21.140 And they kind of,

00:23:24.460 you know,

00:23:24.840 they,

00:23:24.980 they really went,

00:23:25.980 they really zoned in on the alcohol,

00:23:27.840 which I felt at the time I felt was unfair,

00:23:30.820 but you know,

00:23:32.720 I did,

00:23:33.160 I bloody loved to drink.

00:23:34.500 I've not drank now in a long time,

00:23:36.240 but I did love a drink.

00:23:37.140 But they would just get pictures of me like,

00:23:40.620 you know,

00:23:41.380 just sat outside a cafe.

00:23:42.840 And then they would,

00:23:43.280 they would scream,

00:23:44.100 they would kind of get that,

00:23:45.100 that snapshot of when you're,

00:23:46.420 you're blinking.

00:23:47.800 So then,

00:23:48.520 so then the shot is just this.

00:23:51.040 With a pint.

00:23:52.000 Yeah,

00:23:52.260 with a pint.

00:23:53.260 So it just looked,

00:23:54.260 every photo,

00:23:55.200 I looked absolutely hammered.

00:23:57.140 And I,

00:23:57.540 I wasn't,

00:23:58.940 and I wasn't really doing anything that,

00:24:01.600 that,

00:24:01.900 you know,

00:24:02.200 anyone in my kind of position or age would do,

00:24:05.180 you know,

00:24:05.400 I went out and I was good at,

00:24:06.860 I mean,

00:24:07.320 I had too much of a good time.

00:24:08.500 That's,

00:24:08.760 that's for sure.

00:24:09.400 But,

00:24:09.880 but I don't,

00:24:12.200 it wasn't the,

00:24:12.920 it wasn't the tab,

00:24:14.100 it wasn't the tab.

00:24:15.660 Believe it or not,

00:24:16.540 it wasn't really.

00:24:19.440 Yes,

00:24:19.800 I felt like I was being attacked.

00:24:21.420 Naturally,

00:24:22.040 you're good.

00:24:22.400 You know,

00:24:22.600 if everyone keeps writing about you,

00:24:23.940 it's fucking terrifying.

00:24:25.360 If you've never been through anything like it,

00:24:26.920 it was more,

00:24:27.940 I think probably what hurt more was just everyone,

00:24:34.720 not everyone,

00:24:35.340 but it felt like,

00:24:38.260 it felt like there wasn't much,

00:24:41.500 do I want to say,

00:24:42.320 not defense of me,

00:24:43.620 but just.

00:24:44.620 Was it a loss of control you felt,

00:24:46.360 Sean,

00:24:46.640 in that we all cultivate our image?

00:24:48.600 Do you know what I mean?

00:24:49.160 Yes,

00:24:49.320 totally.

00:24:49.880 Yeah,

00:24:50.160 so we cultivate our image.

00:24:51.460 Especially comics.

00:24:52.620 Yeah.

00:24:53.120 You know,

00:24:53.340 we go out and,

00:24:54.200 and you've got the allotted time to go,

00:24:57.120 this is what I'm like.

00:24:58.220 And yeah,

00:24:58.940 I completely lost that control.

00:25:00.480 And everyone else was deciding who I was.

00:25:03.740 Yeah,

00:25:04.180 it was absolutely that,

00:25:05.340 that,

00:25:05.640 I suppose that strange loss of control.

00:25:08.880 Because you do have a control in real life.

00:25:10.760 When you,

00:25:11.320 you meet people,

00:25:13.160 there's an element of control that you have.

00:25:15.140 If you want,

00:25:15.720 if you're,

00:25:15.960 I want this,

00:25:16.500 I want to get on with this person.

00:25:17.880 I will,

00:25:18.480 and maybe not necessarily consciously,

00:25:20.440 but I will be this version of myself.

00:25:22.260 And if you don't like someone,

00:25:24.480 you know,

00:25:24.820 I,

00:25:25.020 I tell you now,

00:25:25.960 you could meet two,

00:25:27.000 you can meet,

00:25:27.380 I always think,

00:25:29.140 someone was saying to me,

00:25:30.640 I worked,

00:25:33.320 I worked on a sitcom with Jack D.

00:25:36.340 It was wonderful.

00:25:36.940 It was like dream come true stuff.

00:25:38.260 I was in Jack D's sitcom.

00:25:40.360 And I was recently with someone on it.

00:25:43.660 And he was,

00:25:44.500 it was so nice.

00:25:45.280 He was talking about,

00:25:46.120 you know,

00:25:46.560 how enthusiastic I was.

00:25:48.540 And kind of saying how nice it was to work with me.

00:25:52.120 You know,

00:25:52.360 we all had an amazing time.

00:25:53.780 I had such,

00:25:54.460 I was in such a good place.

00:25:55.820 I was in Jack D's sitcom.

00:25:58.020 I mean,

00:25:58.320 that is the dream.

00:25:59.840 And,

00:26:00.240 and then I thought,

00:26:01.720 oh,

00:26:01.780 that's so weird because,

00:26:02.860 and I said to him,

00:26:03.360 no,

00:26:03.480 no,

00:26:03.580 no,

00:26:03.700 I'm not,

00:26:04.160 it's really funny.

00:26:04.980 You keep saying how cheerful I am.

00:26:06.440 I'm not cheerful.

00:26:07.720 I was having a good,

00:26:10.280 you got cheerful me because I was having a great time.

00:26:12.840 I go,

00:26:13.100 you could talk to someone that worked with me on a thing where I wasn't enjoying myself.

00:26:17.480 You'd be talking about two completely different human beings.

00:26:22.120 You'd be going,

00:26:22.660 there's no,

00:26:23.020 I know Sean.

00:26:23.720 Sean's nothing like that.

00:26:24.780 There's,

00:26:25.480 yeah,

00:26:25.700 there are different shapes and sizes to all of us.

00:26:28.960 So it was,

00:26:29.740 it was so strange to just completely lose.

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00:28:45.780 And then there was a reaction that you had,

00:28:47.900 which was a physical reaction,

00:28:49.160 which was the opening to the special,

00:28:50.640 which is actually,

00:28:52.360 I mean,

00:28:52.680 you present it in a comedic manner,

00:28:54.500 and it is funny,

00:28:56.500 but it's also,

00:28:57.400 it's fucking awful.

00:28:58.500 Oh, well,

00:28:59.300 I,

00:28:59.640 after that,

00:29:00.380 it ended up triggering a lot of,

00:29:03.460 I had a lot,

00:29:05.120 I had a lot of panic attacks after that.

00:29:07.900 Really,

00:29:08.600 really bad.

00:29:09.520 I'd had panic attacks in my early 20s,

00:29:11.840 but that was mainly just

00:29:12.940 to chain smoking,

00:29:16.240 10 cups of black coffee a day,

00:29:19.500 Jager bombs at night.

00:29:21.020 You know,

00:29:21.220 I didn't know what caffeine did.

00:29:23.380 Yeah.

00:29:23.700 And I just,

00:29:25.200 in my early 20s,

00:29:26.580 like,

00:29:27.060 having panic attacks

00:29:28.240 and then going to the doctors

00:29:30.040 and him going,

00:29:30.560 so how much coffee did you say?

00:29:32.320 Oh,

00:29:32.700 that 10 cups of coffee?

00:29:33.660 Yeah.

00:29:33.820 He's like,

00:29:34.060 yeah,

00:29:34.240 I don't think you should be doing that.

00:29:35.560 That's,

00:29:35.780 that's what's bringing on the panic attacks.

00:29:37.100 But,

00:29:37.880 cut to,

00:29:39.260 coming out of that,

00:29:41.580 there was a physical reaction.

00:29:44.000 It was just,

00:29:47.220 and I still get them occasionally,

00:29:49.420 when,

00:29:50.480 something in my head triggers

00:29:52.220 and takes me back to it all,

00:29:54.120 I just feel overwhelmed.

00:29:56.120 And it,

00:29:56.460 yeah,

00:29:56.640 you have a physical kind of,

00:29:58.360 everything spins

00:29:59.280 and you kind of collapse.

00:30:01.540 It's,

00:30:01.800 it's very,

00:30:02.380 it's horrific,

00:30:03.560 but,

00:30:05.440 you know,

00:30:06.140 I don't,

00:30:07.220 I like what I hope,

00:30:08.420 that no one was,

00:30:10.220 I hope that was no one's goal.

00:30:11.900 That's just,

00:30:12.820 that was just me being,

00:30:13.980 I'm not,

00:30:14.320 I'm not someone that's really built for,

00:30:16.240 I think,

00:30:16.500 I think,

00:30:17.020 there are people,

00:30:17.700 there are comedians,

00:30:18.720 right,

00:30:18.960 now that exist,

00:30:20.980 that seem to,

00:30:22.020 um,

00:30:23.180 thrive,

00:30:24.620 off,

00:30:25.740 like,

00:30:26.720 conflict,

00:30:27.980 on the internet,

00:30:29.520 you know,

00:30:29.880 that people say bad things about them

00:30:31.000 and they thrive off it

00:30:31.940 and they go off it.

00:30:32.800 Talking about me,

00:30:33.460 mate.

00:30:34.020 Is it you?

00:30:34.500 Do you get,

00:30:35.320 I can't,

00:30:36.020 do you,

00:30:36.420 do you?

00:30:37.080 You thrive?

00:30:37.500 I have the hatred.

00:30:38.580 Ah,

00:30:38.840 yes,

00:30:39.080 someone hates me,

00:30:39.700 this is fantastic.

00:30:41.660 No,

00:30:42.200 I just,

00:30:42.720 I just go,

00:30:43.740 oh God,

00:30:44.340 someone hates me,

00:30:45.040 this is absolutely horrific.

00:30:46.460 But I think it's a good point.

00:30:47.940 I think some people-

00:30:48.360 I never wanted to be liked,

00:30:49.520 Sean,

00:30:49.640 that's the difference.

00:30:50.420 What are you,

00:30:50.780 are you joking?

00:30:51.500 No,

00:30:51.720 I never wanted to be liked.

00:30:52.760 What do you mean?

00:30:54.040 I never wanted to be liked.

00:30:55.740 What?

00:30:56.220 I don't,

00:30:56.720 I don't care if you like me.

00:30:58.440 I care if what I'm saying is true

00:31:00.180 or if it's funny

00:31:01.020 or if it's well written

00:31:01.940 and if you don't like it.

00:31:02.940 No one's going to laugh

00:31:03.940 at your thing

00:31:04.320 if they don't like you.

00:31:05.600 No,

00:31:05.840 they will.

00:31:06.960 No,

00:31:07.480 I don't think that's impossible.

00:31:08.320 You don't think so?

00:31:08.980 You can't go and watch,

00:31:09.940 no,

00:31:10.520 think about it in life.

00:31:11.600 Forget comedy.

00:31:12.640 We're at an event,

00:31:14.100 we're at a gathering,

00:31:15.080 someone you hate,

00:31:16.260 sat opposite your table.

00:31:17.220 Oh,

00:31:17.440 true.

00:31:17.740 That person says something funny.

00:31:19.240 There's no way you're laughing.

00:31:20.260 That's a good correction.

00:31:21.100 So what I mean-

00:31:21.900 It's all about,

00:31:22.220 Jack D said,

00:31:23.360 back when he did,

00:31:24.500 I'll never forget it,

00:31:25.320 I just started

00:31:25.960 and I watched Jack

00:31:26.720 on Mark Lawson

00:31:27.860 on BBC Four

00:31:28.680 and Jack D said,

00:31:29.740 comedy is 80% likable.

00:31:31.200 Yeah.

00:31:31.380 Likability.

00:31:31.840 You're right.

00:31:32.120 That never left me.

00:31:32.880 You're right.

00:31:35.180 Rob Beckett.

00:31:35.840 Yeah.

00:31:35.980 I love Rob to bits.

00:31:37.020 Look,

00:31:37.400 he's a brilliant comedian,

00:31:38.940 but look,

00:31:41.040 you just love him.

00:31:42.200 I've been in his company,

00:31:43.580 he's just a great guy

00:31:45.200 to be around,

00:31:46.160 making people laugh.

00:31:48.180 That's the juice.

00:31:49.820 You're right.

00:31:49.840 Here's where I think

00:31:51.240 we're talking past each other.

00:31:52.440 I think you're exactly right.

00:31:53.480 No,

00:31:53.640 no,

00:31:53.760 no,

00:31:53.920 you're exactly right.

00:31:54.700 We're just having the conversation.

00:31:56.420 Online though,

00:31:57.320 there's a difference

00:31:58.000 because very often

00:32:00.300 the things that make

00:32:01.300 some people really,

00:32:02.340 really like you

00:32:03.040 are also-

00:32:04.060 Online,

00:32:04.480 did you say?

00:32:04.800 Online.

00:32:05.020 Yeah,

00:32:05.300 right,

00:32:05.560 right.

00:32:05.700 Are also the thing

00:32:06.640 that makes some people

00:32:07.520 really,

00:32:08.000 really hate you.

00:32:08.700 Okay,

00:32:09.180 fair enough.

00:32:09.340 So if I'm online

00:32:10.460 making a joke

00:32:11.240 that's articulating

00:32:12.100 the point of view

00:32:12.900 of 80% of the population

00:32:15.580 in a funny way

00:32:16.840 and 20% of the population

00:32:20.040 really,

00:32:20.740 really,

00:32:20.900 really hate that,

00:32:22.040 that's where you end up,

00:32:23.920 right?

00:32:24.700 And I have no problem

00:32:25.760 with the 20% hating me

00:32:27.560 if I'm articulating something

00:32:29.220 in a funny way

00:32:29.940 that makes people laugh

00:32:30.920 and people feel

00:32:32.560 that their point of view

00:32:34.080 about the world

00:32:34.980 is being validated

00:32:35.740 by somebody

00:32:36.360 who's got an audience.

00:32:37.440 It's also dependent

00:32:38.440 as well

00:32:38.940 on the style of comedy

00:32:39.920 that you do.

00:32:40.740 Yes,

00:32:41.140 exactly.

00:32:41.480 I talk about microwaves.

00:32:44.620 Yeah,

00:32:45.060 I was always quite political

00:32:46.340 and satirical

00:32:46.980 in what I do.

00:32:47.680 Yeah,

00:32:47.900 yeah,

00:32:48.020 yeah.

00:32:48.220 So if you're going to tackle

00:32:49.480 a subject that is contentious,

00:32:51.180 that gets people het up,

00:32:52.300 whatever it may be,

00:32:53.540 and you tackle it

00:32:54.380 and it may be a brilliant routine,

00:32:55.920 there's people going to be,

00:32:56.800 oh,

00:32:56.880 it's punching down,

00:32:57.660 this is disgraceful,

00:32:58.540 you can't say that,

00:32:59.620 you're laughing at X,

00:33:00.520 Y,

00:33:00.740 Z.

00:33:01.160 Whereas if you're doing

00:33:02.080 a brilliant routine

00:33:02.860 about microwaves,

00:33:03.800 most people

00:33:06.280 aren't going to get

00:33:07.020 that reaction,

00:33:07.740 although there will

00:33:08.260 always be a couple.

00:33:09.520 Yeah,

00:33:09.740 yeah,

00:33:10.020 yeah.

00:33:12.600 Take issue with it.

00:33:14.400 Why is he fucking

00:33:15.240 talking about my life?

00:33:16.760 But see,

00:33:17.440 Sean,

00:33:17.640 this is why I asked you

00:33:18.480 about proportionality

00:33:19.660 because one of the things

00:33:20.460 we've explored on the show

00:33:21.660 is you know,

00:33:22.360 people who've got cancelled

00:33:24.740 for a joke

00:33:25.400 or who've got cancelled

00:33:26.140 for saying the wrong thing

00:33:27.240 or have got,

00:33:28.020 and it certainly feels to me

00:33:30.200 like in the modern climate,

00:33:33.000 people are being,

00:33:34.140 we're having

00:33:34.640 disproportionate reactions

00:33:35.900 to things that people

00:33:36.720 say and do,

00:33:37.620 right?

00:33:38.220 Whereas you got,

00:33:39.080 you got 90s cancelled

00:33:40.320 for like an old school thing.

00:33:41.800 90s cancelled.

00:33:42.680 I got 90s cancelled.

00:33:44.360 You know,

00:33:44.720 like that's what people

00:33:45.540 used to get cancelled for.

00:33:46.800 Yeah.

00:33:47.140 Yeah.

00:33:47.900 Well,

00:33:49.660 like I knew,

00:33:51.000 you know,

00:33:51.220 I knew we were gonna,

00:33:52.060 we were gonna brush

00:33:53.300 on the topic of,

00:33:54.200 of cancelled culture,

00:33:56.260 but I mean.

00:33:57.080 I'm not trying to lead you

00:33:57.980 to any part.

00:33:58.480 No,

00:33:58.660 no,

00:33:58.740 no,

00:33:58.820 no,

00:33:59.040 oh God,

00:33:59.500 no,

00:33:59.700 don't worry about that.

00:34:00.800 No,

00:34:00.920 it's fine.

00:34:01.620 No,

00:34:01.980 but I,

00:34:02.280 the thing is,

00:34:03.420 I joke,

00:34:03.880 I say I'm cancelled

00:34:04.780 in the show

00:34:05.380 and I think that,

00:34:06.400 you know,

00:34:06.740 after,

00:34:07.960 after Strictly Come Dancing,

00:34:11.100 after the kiss,

00:34:12.700 you,

00:34:13.780 you,

00:34:14.760 if,

00:34:16.340 if,

00:34:16.840 if,

00:34:17.380 it's the entertainment

00:34:19.080 business,

00:34:19.660 guys.

00:34:20.620 You know,

00:34:20.980 they gotta like you.

00:34:22.420 You can,

00:34:22.800 and if,

00:34:24.780 everything that has been

00:34:25.740 written about you

00:34:26.720 is pointing to people

00:34:28.240 in the direction that,

00:34:29.700 well,

00:34:29.860 we don't like this guy.

00:34:30.600 And I think there's,

00:34:31.280 I think I've always,

00:34:32.440 just as a person,

00:34:34.260 kind of suffered with that.

00:34:35.460 I think,

00:34:36.400 you know,

00:34:37.260 kind of long hair,

00:34:38.520 looked confident,

00:34:39.960 was never confident,

00:34:40.900 but looked confident.

00:34:42.220 There's kind of,

00:34:43.460 people didn't,

00:34:44.160 I don't think I was,

00:34:45.880 I always remember,

00:34:46.660 remember being really envious

00:34:47.860 of Josh Widdicombe,

00:34:49.960 a great comic,

00:34:50.800 but you know,

00:34:51.460 that you just loved Josh.

00:34:53.360 Just,

00:34:53.640 I remember being in a room,

00:34:55.060 people just,

00:34:55.520 they just talked to Josh,

00:34:57.200 just warm.

00:34:58.660 And so,

00:34:59.920 so likable,

00:35:01.420 you know,

00:35:01.640 and then,

00:35:02.020 and then I,

00:35:02.640 and then I was there

00:35:03.380 just kind of miserable

00:35:04.800 and hung over

00:35:05.540 and fucked off

00:35:06.460 with everything.

00:35:07.720 I just think that,

00:35:09.580 I,

00:35:09.900 I,

00:35:10.180 I certainly,

00:35:11.320 when I was younger,

00:35:11.980 lent myself to,

00:35:13.520 to being,

00:35:14.880 to kind of being disliked.

00:35:16.920 I think I was just a kind of

00:35:18.020 dislikable person.

00:35:21.440 See,

00:35:22.100 I'm going to be honest with you,

00:35:23.240 I don't agree with that.

00:35:23.680 I don't agree with that.

00:35:24.740 I tell you,

00:35:25.160 I tell you what it is for me,

00:35:26.580 like,

00:35:26.860 I remember when I started in comedy

00:35:28.280 and you were already

00:35:29.100 on the ascendancy,

00:35:31.040 you were this young,

00:35:32.080 good looking guy

00:35:32.980 who would come out

00:35:33.900 and just crush gigs.

00:35:36.220 Just crush gigs.

00:35:37.580 And then there'd be,

00:35:38.700 because for the rest of us,

00:35:39.780 it took us time

00:35:40.700 to find out

00:35:41.440 what we wanted to do.

00:35:42.500 Yeah.

00:35:42.880 But you seemed to come out

00:35:43.960 fully formed.

00:35:44.680 I remember Paul Ricketts

00:35:46.400 saying the first time

00:35:47.280 he ever saw your gig,

00:35:48.300 it was like your 10th gig.

00:35:49.420 And he said,

00:35:49.960 I don't know what is,

00:35:51.000 it is,

00:35:51.580 but Sean had it.

00:35:52.700 I think I,

00:35:53.420 no,

00:35:53.640 I think,

00:35:54.080 hey,

00:35:54.320 when I was started out,

00:35:55.780 I could,

00:35:56.820 there's been enough time

00:35:58.000 since now and then

00:35:59.120 that I think that I was,

00:36:02.060 I think I was,

00:36:02.800 yeah,

00:36:03.060 I think I,

00:36:04.020 look,

00:36:04.800 I had been studying,

00:36:05.740 I'm not joking.

00:36:06.780 I was,

00:36:07.400 it's in the show.

00:36:08.180 I was doing stand-up

00:36:09.060 in the playground.

00:36:10.140 I didn't do homework

00:36:11.460 at school.

00:36:12.340 Teachers put their homework down

00:36:13.400 and I would say,

00:36:14.040 it's okay,

00:36:14.420 I'm going to be a film star.

00:36:15.760 I wouldn't do the homework.

00:36:17.040 I thought I was going to be

00:36:17.980 Jim Carrey.

00:36:18.680 That was my,

00:36:19.320 I just thought,

00:36:20.360 I'm going to be a comedian.

00:36:21.880 I don't need to know,

00:36:22.700 I mean,

00:36:22.880 it's really not helped.

00:36:24.100 I'm thick as shit.

00:36:25.680 I know nothing

00:36:26.800 because I just,

00:36:28.200 was just,

00:36:28.700 all I wanted to do

00:36:29.700 was be a comedian.

00:36:30.820 And so,

00:36:31.500 when I started,

00:36:32.660 people go,

00:36:33.060 this guy,

00:36:33.420 is this only his 10th gig?

00:36:34.720 No,

00:36:34.880 no,

00:36:34.960 no,

00:36:35.060 you don't understand.

00:36:37.060 This is all I thought about.

00:36:38.700 Like,

00:36:39.020 Robin Williams talked about that.

00:36:40.560 There's a few other comics

00:36:41.400 who were just as 10-year-olds,

00:36:42.620 they were practicing

00:36:43.360 eight hours a day.

00:36:44.700 In the mirror.

00:36:45.860 Right,

00:36:46.240 see this.

00:36:46.720 I don't think I do this.

00:36:47.780 Do I do this in the show?

00:36:48.980 Do I,

00:36:49.240 you watch it recently,

00:36:50.200 right?

00:36:50.300 Yeah.

00:36:50.580 Well,

00:36:50.840 you know that,

00:36:51.280 so the eyebrows.

00:36:51.980 No,

00:36:52.120 I don't think you did that.

00:36:52.660 No,

00:36:52.680 you didn't do that.

00:36:53.160 So,

00:36:53.440 yeah,

00:36:53.600 I think I cut out,

00:36:54.560 we only had an hour.

00:36:55.780 I was,

00:36:56.300 when I first saw Ace Ventura,

00:36:57.740 I'd go into,

00:36:58.920 in the mask,

00:37:00.280 which I think only released in,

00:37:02.240 like a year apart.

00:37:04.780 Doing that with the eyebrows,

00:37:06.180 I would go in,

00:37:07.100 so easy now,

00:37:07.800 it just comes to me.

00:37:08.620 I couldn't do that.

00:37:09.500 I would,

00:37:09.740 as a kid,

00:37:10.100 10-year-old,

00:37:10.720 in the mirror,

00:37:11.920 would put both eyebrows up,

00:37:13.600 hold one down,

00:37:14.900 and just do this at Ace,

00:37:16.260 so that there was just one eyebrow,

00:37:17.920 and then do it with the other.

00:37:19.700 And that was hours and hours

00:37:21.020 in front of the mirror,

00:37:21.960 training to do that with my eyebrow.

00:37:24.340 Like I,

00:37:25.040 so,

00:37:26.100 I had,

00:37:26.580 it wasn't my 10th gig.

00:37:28.240 I'd been,

00:37:28.940 in my head,

00:37:29.580 I'd been doing this forever.

00:37:30.800 And I would go to the Comedia,

00:37:32.400 the local comedy club in Brighton,

00:37:34.140 every Sunday on my own.

00:37:35.860 The bouncers begin to,

00:37:37.200 the bouncers would,

00:37:38.660 I would turn up,

00:37:39.920 and it would be that weird kid

00:37:41.260 that was coming to the club

00:37:43.100 every,

00:37:43.660 every Sunday on his own.

00:37:45.220 They just started letting me in.

00:37:46.820 They'd start to go,

00:37:47.420 oh, it's you.

00:37:48.080 Yeah, don't worry about it,

00:37:48.740 just walk in.

00:37:50.000 But I think what happened was,

00:37:53.140 this is,

00:37:53.920 this is so strange

00:37:55.020 thinking back over my career.

00:37:57.260 Where I did get a lot,

00:37:59.060 quite early on,

00:37:59.780 a lot of television,

00:38:00.940 I think it did,

00:38:01.560 it did me a lot of,

00:38:02.640 and again,

00:38:03.220 I sound like I'm being very ungrateful.

00:38:05.400 I'm not ungrateful.

00:38:06.300 It's amazing some of the things I've done.

00:38:10.520 I think it was probably too much for me to,

00:38:13.340 to handle at such a young age.

00:38:14.940 And I think it destroyed a lot of my confidence.

00:38:17.740 It destroyed a lot.

00:38:19.080 I,

00:38:19.220 I suddenly,

00:38:19.940 I'd,

00:38:20.800 I hadn't,

00:38:22.360 I was so mad,

00:38:23.380 right?

00:38:23.460 It was just naivety.

00:38:24.420 It wasn't even arrogance.

00:38:25.420 It was,

00:38:25.880 I suppose it was,

00:38:26.580 when you're young,

00:38:27.200 I literally just thought like,

00:38:29.320 I'm like,

00:38:31.580 I'm gonna,

00:38:31.940 I'll have a sitcom.

00:38:32.880 I thought,

00:38:33.380 I was,

00:38:33.800 thought I'll have this all.

00:38:34.960 And then,

00:38:35.820 then I started doing TV

00:38:36.940 and I was way out of my depth.

00:38:39.860 When I'm not doing standup,

00:38:40.860 but doing like the panel show,

00:38:41.880 I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

00:38:43.740 And suddenly,

00:38:45.040 the doubt comes in.

00:38:47.260 And I never really doubted myself before.

00:38:50.240 And then when you first get that doubt,

00:38:52.080 I don't know.

00:38:52.860 I've,

00:38:53.400 I'm not just saying,

00:38:54.340 because some people go,

00:38:55.080 oh,

00:38:55.900 but when we were doing,

00:38:58.400 when those first three weeks of Strictly,

00:39:00.260 I felt like I did at the beginning of my standup career.

00:39:04.200 And I felt like I've got it back.

00:39:06.120 And I'm,

00:39:06.820 it's so good.

00:39:07.500 This is it.

00:39:08.820 And that,

00:39:10.500 because that doubt in my,

00:39:11.680 that I,

00:39:12.160 that I kind of developed in my mid twenties that,

00:39:13.840 and I think that's why I drank a lot as well.

00:39:15.740 I think I really,

00:39:16.920 I just suddenly,

00:39:18.660 I,

00:39:18.940 I couldn't really hand,

00:39:20.300 I felt like at such a young age,

00:39:23.040 fucking I won't name him because he was saying privately,

00:39:26.080 but there's a friend of ours.

00:39:27.780 He's not a lovely young comic.

00:39:29.700 He's been going since he was a fucking,

00:39:31.220 you know,

00:39:31.680 18.

00:39:32.260 He's one of these guys.

00:39:34.200 So he's only 25 now.

00:39:35.840 I'm with him.

00:39:36.520 He's talking about regret.

00:39:37.740 He's talking about the mistakes he's made.

00:39:39.180 And I'm like,

00:39:39.520 it hurts me so much.

00:39:40.500 I'm like,

00:39:40.800 man,

00:39:41.820 you can't,

00:39:42.360 you're 25.

00:39:43.420 Like you've not made,

00:39:44.560 you've not made any mistakes.

00:39:46.260 They're steps.

00:39:47.000 They're steps.

00:39:47.480 Come on,

00:39:47.780 like snap out.

00:39:48.400 You can't.

00:39:49.120 Cause I was there.

00:39:50.300 I was 25 fucking years of age going,

00:39:54.040 I've fucked it.

00:39:55.340 I've ruined it.

00:39:56.080 I've completely ruined it.

00:39:57.100 And it's,

00:39:57.420 I just wish that I hadn't,

00:40:00.260 I wish I'd handled that better.

00:40:02.000 Kind of got myself up,

00:40:03.280 dusted myself down.

00:40:04.020 Come on.

00:40:04.520 And I,

00:40:04.800 I really,

00:40:05.800 it ain't me a lot.

00:40:07.420 See,

00:40:07.820 a lot of people are watching this and they've seen panel shows on TV.

00:40:11.740 Yeah.

00:40:11.760 And the thing that is created is very,

00:40:14.080 very different from what actually happens.

00:40:16.620 Yeah.

00:40:16.940 Yeah.

00:40:17.120 Yeah.

00:40:17.720 What was it like doing that and thinking I'm not doing well here?

00:40:21.540 Oh,

00:40:21.880 God,

00:40:22.460 fucking hell.

00:40:24.400 It's just like,

00:40:25.600 man,

00:40:27.900 I did a show.

00:40:29.360 I did a show.

00:40:30.280 I had my own TV show on Comedy Central called Sean Walsh World.

00:40:34.060 And it was an internet clip show.

00:40:39.600 And I did this show and it was,

00:40:42.900 this was before trolling.

00:40:47.460 The phrase trolling.

00:40:49.360 This is another straight,

00:40:50.500 how old are you?

00:40:51.140 I'm 39.

00:40:52.060 You're 39,

00:40:52.800 36.

00:40:53.420 39.

00:40:54.160 39,

00:40:54.720 right.

00:40:55.700 So when we,

00:40:57.260 how long have you been going?

00:40:59.220 I did it for about five years.

00:41:00.980 I haven't done it since the pandemic.

00:41:02.600 Okay.

00:41:02.900 Wow.

00:41:03.180 So we do comedy here.

00:41:04.620 We write stuff.

00:41:05.180 I bet your anxiety is down,

00:41:06.080 isn't it?

00:41:06.340 Isn't that nice?

00:41:07.080 I'm loving it.

00:41:09.000 The travel,

00:41:10.280 for me it was the travel actually.

00:41:11.760 Oh,

00:41:11.860 God.

00:41:12.620 For me it was the travel.

00:41:13.520 Yeah,

00:41:13.800 yeah,

00:41:13.920 yeah.

00:41:14.660 When the pandemic started and the lockdown came,

00:41:17.040 I was like,

00:41:17.480 I loved lockdown.

00:41:18.780 Yeah.

00:41:19.420 Oh my God.

00:41:20.440 Yeah.

00:41:20.680 I bet you did.

00:41:22.940 Yeah,

00:41:23.180 I did.

00:41:23.520 Yeah,

00:41:23.660 yeah.

00:41:24.100 Yeah.

00:41:24.360 That was lovely.

00:41:25.100 Yeah,

00:41:25.400 yeah,

00:41:25.600 yeah.

00:41:28.380 Sean,

00:41:29.000 can I come back though?

00:41:30.260 Of course.

00:41:30.640 To the whole cancel.

00:41:31.420 No,

00:41:31.840 no,

00:41:32.040 no,

00:41:32.980 but it's great.

00:41:33.500 All I was going to say,

00:41:34.380 this is all my point was going to be.

00:41:35.780 I don't think,

00:41:37.100 I don't,

00:41:37.700 I don't,

00:41:38.880 I joke about being cancelled.

00:41:40.780 Yeah.

00:41:41.020 I still,

00:41:42.160 since strictly,

00:41:43.200 I've done bits and bobs on telly.

00:41:44.980 I've not been,

00:41:45.760 and I tore,

00:41:47.040 so I've not been cancelled,

00:41:47.880 but did it make it harder for me to get work.

00:41:50.240 You lost a shit ton of work.

00:41:51.260 I lost a shit ton of work.

00:41:52.600 So this is why I'm getting that.

00:41:53.580 And look,

00:41:54.160 from your personal point of view,

00:41:55.940 from your mental health point of view,

00:41:58.580 you've got to own what you did

00:41:59.960 and you've got to process that

00:42:01.480 and you've got to learn from that

00:42:02.740 and you've got to grow from that.

00:42:03.640 And I know that you've done that.

00:42:04.640 Yeah,

00:42:04.780 yeah,

00:42:04.980 yeah.

00:42:05.200 So I'm not trying to get you to say,

00:42:07.680 oh,

00:42:07.980 I was cancelled.

00:42:08.780 I know you're not.

00:42:09.380 I was treated so badly.

00:42:10.740 Yeah,

00:42:10.880 yeah,

00:42:11.000 you've got to be a man and own it

00:42:13.760 because you fucked up

00:42:14.920 and then the consequences

00:42:16.280 inevitably are on you.

00:42:17.800 Yes.

00:42:18.380 However,

00:42:19.180 however,

00:42:19.960 right,

00:42:20.160 I'm talking about broader society,

00:42:22.960 right,

00:42:23.300 the broader culture.

00:42:24.700 Yeah.

00:42:25.120 Do we want to live in a society

00:42:27.080 where someone does what you did

00:42:29.720 or someone makes a bad joke

00:42:31.320 or someone says the wrong thing

00:42:33.400 or someone,

00:42:34.560 you know,

00:42:35.380 is slightly insensitive

00:42:36.760 about a minority group

00:42:38.240 that now we're very focused on

00:42:39.780 and then people

00:42:41.460 who they've been working with

00:42:43.260 for 5,

00:42:43.920 10,

00:42:44.180 15 years suddenly go,

00:42:45.640 oh,

00:42:45.920 you know what?

00:42:46.740 You're untouchable now.

00:42:49.160 Is that the society

00:42:50.420 that we should be living in

00:42:51.740 is what I'm getting at?

00:42:53.120 Okay,

00:42:53.780 yeah,

00:42:54.080 so,

00:42:54.400 but should be living in

00:42:55.460 or are,

00:42:55.980 do you think we are living in that?

00:42:57.160 We're definitely not living

00:42:58.380 in a society

00:42:58.960 where people are forgiven

00:42:59.940 for mistakes they make,

00:43:01.560 right?

00:43:02.780 Well,

00:43:03.220 hang on.

00:43:03.860 Would you disagree?

00:43:04.680 Well,

00:43:04.960 actually,

00:43:06.840 do you know,

00:43:07.140 and believe it or not,

00:43:08.140 I,

00:43:08.820 because I thought

00:43:09.320 when I was coming on,

00:43:09.860 I was like,

00:43:10.120 fucking hell,

00:43:10.500 I don't,

00:43:10.820 I don't think about

00:43:11.760 this kind of stuff.

00:43:13.060 I was going to say enough,

00:43:13.920 but it's not enough.

00:43:14.680 I just,

00:43:15.180 I don't really have these

00:43:16.880 discussions outside of this,

00:43:18.340 but I would,

00:43:18.960 when I hear that question,

00:43:20.300 I think forgiveness takes time.

00:43:23.580 Forget,

00:43:23.900 you know,

00:43:24.180 like,

00:43:24.800 you know,

00:43:25.260 you can't,

00:43:26.080 if someone's done something wrong,

00:43:27.800 you can't,

00:43:28.500 you can't just do something wrong

00:43:30.380 and then go,

00:43:31.460 oh,

00:43:31.540 we've got to forgive him,

00:43:32.340 people fuck up,

00:43:33.080 let's crack on.

00:43:33.980 You know,

00:43:34.240 I think,

00:43:34.780 I think you've got to,

00:43:36.360 there are,

00:43:36.640 have we got any examples?

00:43:39.140 I mean,

00:43:39.300 me,

00:43:39.780 me as an example,

00:43:42.060 right?

00:43:42.500 And I'm happy to do that.

00:43:44.200 I,

00:43:44.820 I,

00:43:45.180 I've recently did

00:43:46.780 Catherine Ryan's new stand-up show.

00:43:48.660 It's going out on Amazon.

00:43:49.380 And that wouldn't have happened

00:43:51.760 six months after Strictly.

00:43:54.760 No way.

00:43:55.360 You'd go,

00:43:55.640 fuck off.

00:43:56.020 We're not having him on the show.

00:43:57.320 Yeah.

00:43:58.000 But we have time.

00:43:59.840 I think people,

00:44:00.940 people go,

00:44:02.360 I think,

00:44:02.580 I think he's learned his lesson,

00:44:04.400 hasn't he?

00:44:04.940 And,

00:44:05.460 and,

00:44:06.680 and now I'm kind of slowly getting work again

00:44:09.040 and,

00:44:09.340 and it's,

00:44:09.760 it's really,

00:44:10.240 things are going really,

00:44:11.880 going really well.

00:44:12.780 I just think they,

00:44:13.680 they take time.

00:44:14.340 I don't know if anyone that's been,

00:44:17.220 you know,

00:44:17.640 is there an example of anyone

00:44:19.060 that's done something that,

00:44:20.440 where they haven't kind of been forgiven

00:44:21.980 or let,

00:44:22.940 Andrew Lawrence,

00:44:24.080 Alistair Williams,

00:44:25.140 Chris McLeod.

00:44:25.940 I mean,

00:44:26.120 I can keep going.

00:44:27.260 There's a lot of people.

00:44:28.520 But.

00:44:33.820 Bill Cosby.

00:44:35.720 There you go.

00:44:36.940 There's one.

00:44:39.520 But.

00:44:40.680 Louis CK.

00:44:42.120 I'm not defending any of these people.

00:44:43.340 I know you're not defending them.

00:44:44.300 No,

00:44:44.500 I know you're not defending them.

00:44:45.100 And Bill Cosby was a joke,

00:44:46.060 to be clear,

00:44:46.620 right?

00:44:46.780 Yeah.

00:44:47.000 But I'm saying it for them.

00:44:48.940 For them.

00:44:49.560 Because it'll be someone going,

00:44:50.820 yes!

00:44:51.100 He's defending Bill Cosby.

00:44:52.560 Okay,

00:44:52.940 right.

00:44:53.380 But,

00:44:53.920 and look,

00:44:54.860 Louis CK,

00:44:55.640 but,

00:44:57.160 does that,

00:44:57.640 does that mean his career

00:44:58.880 should be ruined forever?

00:45:00.080 But it's,

00:45:00.420 but hang on,

00:45:00.880 guys,

00:45:01.200 it's like,

00:45:01.700 it's not,

00:45:02.340 I mean,

00:45:02.780 he's released two specials

00:45:03.920 that you can pay for

00:45:04.700 and watch on the internet.

00:45:05.620 Yeah.

00:45:05.820 And I imagine he's making

00:45:06.900 hundreds of thousands,

00:45:08.260 if not millions of dollars off that.

00:45:09.780 Yeah.

00:45:09.940 So,

00:45:10.680 like,

00:45:11.700 he's laughing,

00:45:12.580 isn't he?

00:45:13.340 Yeah.

00:45:13.820 Well,

00:45:14.120 that's a little bit different

00:45:15.060 because has he still got

00:45:16.180 the same career

00:45:16.780 that he had before?

00:45:18.320 Does,

00:45:18.640 does he,

00:45:19.500 he still sells out

00:45:20.480 all those massive rooms,

00:45:21.600 doesn't he?

00:45:22.040 But this is what the conversation

00:45:23.160 is really about for me.

00:45:24.300 It's like,

00:45:25.120 people will say,

00:45:26.340 and perhaps there's some truth to it,

00:45:27.760 that if you get cancelled

00:45:28.780 and you make a big stink about it,

00:45:30.660 you can benefit from it,

00:45:31.880 right?

00:45:32.060 People will say that.

00:45:32.720 And I think if you play your cards right,

00:45:35.240 that is true.

00:45:36.340 That is true.

00:45:37.120 You can be cancelled.

00:45:37.960 I'm the cancelled guy.

00:45:39.340 Yeah.

00:45:39.620 Yeah, yeah, sure.

00:45:40.280 And that's definitely true.

00:45:41.340 There's definitely an element to that.

00:45:42.680 But there's also other people

00:45:44.820 for whom that's really not true,

00:45:46.480 who really never recover from that.

00:45:50.240 And I've given you an example of a few.

00:45:52.280 Now,

00:45:52.680 Chris McLeod,

00:45:53.300 for example,

00:45:53.600 I don't know if you know anything about him.

00:45:55.740 No,

00:45:56.200 I don't think so.

00:45:56.640 He's a sort of,

00:45:57.800 anyway,

00:45:58.380 we won't get into it.

00:45:58.820 He's a Scottish guy.

00:45:59.800 He's Northern.

00:46:00.720 Same thing.

00:46:02.980 Okay,

00:46:03.160 North of Watford.

00:46:03.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:04.400 Exactly.

00:46:04.940 No.

00:46:05.760 Yeah,

00:46:06.000 okay.

00:46:06.260 I think I've heard.

00:46:07.320 Yeah.

00:46:07.720 So basically,

00:46:08.240 he had a poem in the show

00:46:09.720 which said something about the Rothschilds

00:46:11.840 and it happened to have been a bad moment

00:46:13.780 for race relations

00:46:14.960 and then he had all his shows cancelled

00:46:16.700 from the theatre.

00:46:18.080 And the only reason he's still even gigging

00:46:20.220 and maybe the only,

00:46:21.240 he was suicidal.

00:46:22.780 Yeah,

00:46:23.000 I can imagine.

00:46:23.260 He came on this show

00:46:24.020 and he got a few of our fans supporting him

00:46:27.140 and now he's got a tour

00:46:28.000 and he's coming back on the show soon

00:46:29.180 to talk about it.

00:46:29.820 So that's worked out for him

00:46:31.660 but that's,

00:46:33.900 what's happened to him

00:46:34.860 is massively disproportionate to the crime

00:46:37.020 and that's what I'm getting at,

00:46:38.900 right?

00:46:39.340 Yeah.

00:46:40.060 Well.

00:46:41.960 And Sean,

00:46:42.460 again,

00:46:42.740 I'm not trying to get you to say anything

00:46:44.380 that you don't believe in.

00:46:45.060 Don't worry,

00:46:45.360 no,

00:46:45.700 I'm just,

00:46:46.140 that inhale is just me trying to,

00:46:48.520 is me trying to kind of form

00:46:50.480 an opinion immediately.

00:46:52.660 I think,

00:46:54.140 it is,

00:46:55.240 you know,

00:46:56.280 the outrage always feels disproportionate

00:46:58.880 but

00:46:59.120 that's,

00:47:01.720 this is where we are now

00:47:03.080 with social media.

00:47:05.620 The,

00:47:05.820 the,

00:47:06.200 the outpour is,

00:47:08.640 is always going to be

00:47:10.300 massive.

00:47:11.840 I mean,

00:47:14.240 I don't really under,

00:47:14.920 I don't,

00:47:15.440 I don't think,

00:47:18.480 it's got,

00:47:20.100 it's gossiping,

00:47:20.920 isn't it?

00:47:21.220 It's people that,

00:47:21.980 it's people gossiping,

00:47:23.760 talking to strangers,

00:47:25.380 it's a forum,

00:47:25.880 it's,

00:47:26.000 I mean,

00:47:26.120 it's just a giant forum of,

00:47:28.020 of rumours and,

00:47:29.260 and outrage and opinions.

00:47:30.660 He was,

00:47:33.520 what,

00:47:33.820 he was removed because

00:47:35.240 his shows were pulled.

00:47:38.680 I don't know.

00:47:39.200 The same show that he did

00:47:40.380 at that same theatre

00:47:41.260 a year previously

00:47:42.440 to rave reviews

00:47:43.660 suddenly now is too problematic.

00:47:46.540 Right?

00:47:47.280 But look,

00:47:47.880 we're going down a bit.

00:47:48.880 No,

00:47:49.120 no,

00:47:49.240 I'm sorry.

00:47:49.720 It's just because I don't,

00:47:51.020 it's because I don't,

00:47:52.100 it's because I don't,

00:47:53.800 I don't understand.

00:47:55.200 Yeah,

00:47:55.500 I don't really understand why that's,

00:47:57.740 that's happened to him.

00:47:58.800 I don't,

00:47:59.060 I don't know the story.

00:47:59.980 And I,

00:48:00.560 but all I can do is I can,

00:48:02.440 the bit that I can identify with

00:48:04.400 is how awful that must have been

00:48:06.320 for him to,

00:48:07.060 to go through.

00:48:08.160 And I think,

00:48:08.660 I think what's,

00:48:09.660 what can be tough is,

00:48:12.020 is,

00:48:12.540 you know,

00:48:12.840 no one,

00:48:13.580 you know,

00:48:14.040 you don't,

00:48:15.120 you know,

00:48:15.400 like,

00:48:16.400 look at Jimmy.

00:48:17.780 Yeah.

00:48:18.060 Jimmy Carl,

00:48:18.660 when Jimmy made that joke,

00:48:20.800 the 3,000 people in the room

00:48:22.460 laughed.

00:48:24.280 I mean,

00:48:24.640 you know,

00:48:24.960 he doesn't,

00:48:26.060 if he knows,

00:48:27.480 he can't tell the future,

00:48:28.440 if he knows that that's going to be,

00:48:30.140 if what the reaction was going to be,

00:48:32.100 was going to happen,

00:48:32.640 does he do that joke?

00:48:33.360 Probably,

00:48:33.620 probably doesn't do that joke.

00:48:35.160 So it's so tough.

00:48:36.840 We live in a world where you don't know

00:48:38.440 what the reaction's going to be.

00:48:39.560 How can you not,

00:48:40.800 you know,

00:48:41.120 he didn't know that was the,

00:48:42.320 when Jimmy made that joke,

00:48:43.320 he didn't know that was the line.

00:48:45.440 That line hadn't been drawn.

00:48:46.700 So he makes the joke

00:48:47.860 and then they go,

00:48:48.960 no,

00:48:49.880 that,

00:48:50.140 you crossed the line.

00:48:50.820 It's like,

00:48:51.480 fuck,

00:48:51.820 the line wasn't there.

00:48:53.120 The fucking line wasn't there.

00:48:54.660 Fuck,

00:48:55.120 I didn't know that.

00:48:55.960 If you told me that was the line before,

00:48:57.300 I wouldn't have said it.

00:48:58.280 So it's,

00:48:59.620 it's,

00:48:59.980 it is,

00:49:00.400 it is tough.

00:49:01.200 I don't know.

00:49:01.620 May I ask one more question?

00:49:02.740 Yeah, go on.

00:49:03.080 Go ahead,

00:49:03.360 go for it.

00:49:03.620 So this is the brilliant point

00:49:05.240 that you've made about Jimmy

00:49:06.180 and the line,

00:49:06.960 right?

00:49:07.120 Because to me,

00:49:08.360 the healthy attitude of society

00:49:10.160 to comedy has always been,

00:49:11.960 look,

00:49:12.820 comedians are going to make mistakes

00:49:14.140 all the time,

00:49:15.340 right?

00:49:16.300 Yeah.

00:49:16.580 You're going to make a joke.

00:49:17.860 Yeah.

00:49:18.360 And we're constantly feeling

00:49:19.840 where that line is,

00:49:20.920 right?

00:49:21.120 In a room.

00:49:21.860 In a room.

00:49:22.220 Yeah,

00:49:22.460 live,

00:49:22.960 yeah.

00:49:23.120 Yeah.

00:49:23.740 Or when you're doing something

00:49:25.040 on YouTube or whatever

00:49:26.160 like we do,

00:49:26.800 right?

00:49:26.940 You're constantly going,

00:49:27.940 where is this line?

00:49:28.720 Let's feel it out.

00:49:29.360 Let's see if we can cross it.

00:49:30.340 What happens here?

00:49:31.400 But I feel that we've got to

00:49:33.480 the position where it's like

00:49:34.460 the moment you get past the line,

00:49:35.800 it's no longer,

00:49:36.720 oh,

00:49:37.100 that was,

00:49:37.840 oh,

00:49:38.340 you know how people used to go

00:49:39.460 in a comedy club

00:49:40.020 and that was it

00:49:41.400 and you're,

00:49:41.780 okay,

00:49:42.100 that's a bit far.

00:49:42.980 Yeah,

00:49:43.120 but dude,

00:49:43.620 that's the comedy club.

00:49:45.620 The problem,

00:49:46.460 the reason that none of this

00:49:47.540 can be kind of,

00:49:48.320 none of this can be

00:49:49.480 in one of a better kind of sentence,

00:49:53.120 basically,

00:49:53.480 is calmed down.

00:49:54.680 The reason that can't happen

00:49:55.680 is because it's leaving

00:49:56.600 the comedy club

00:49:57.540 and it's going on to social media.

00:49:59.000 And it's 7am on Good Morning Britain.

00:50:00.480 It's just,

00:50:01.020 look,

00:50:01.320 you can't resolve this.

00:50:03.660 The thing you can control

00:50:04.620 is what happens in the room.

00:50:07.860 Right.

00:50:08.000 That could be...

00:50:08.580 But you don't control that anymore

00:50:09.640 because you've got people

00:50:10.280 with phones

00:50:10.860 and all that shit,

00:50:11.620 right?

00:50:12.120 Precisely.

00:50:12.580 So I just,

00:50:13.420 I don't think this stops.

00:50:14.980 I think it just...

00:50:15.980 Gets worse.

00:50:17.100 It just,

00:50:17.700 yeah,

00:50:18.040 it just carries on

00:50:18.720 and gets worse

00:50:19.860 and you have to kind of live with it.

00:50:21.220 I mean,

00:50:21.420 I listened to,

00:50:22.100 I listened to Tommy Tiernan

00:50:23.820 talking to Adam Buxton

00:50:24.920 a few months ago

00:50:25.800 and they were talking about,

00:50:27.540 I think,

00:50:28.280 a joke that Tommy got in trouble for

00:50:30.360 about Jewish people,

00:50:32.820 I think it was.

00:50:33.580 I think it was.

00:50:34.860 And Adam Buxton

00:50:36.700 had suggested maybe

00:50:40.540 that comedians now

00:50:42.460 need to

00:50:43.720 not just think about,

00:50:46.800 because my,

00:50:47.600 the defence would always be like,

00:50:49.840 but are you listening to what I mean?

00:50:51.520 Because this is what happens,

00:50:52.100 when it goes on the internet,

00:50:53.460 people interpret everything.

00:50:55.540 The way,

00:50:56.180 they just interpret things

00:50:57.140 and they go,

00:50:57.500 well,

00:50:57.600 I think he means that.

00:50:58.620 Why don't you actually think about

00:51:00.140 what he or she is trying to say

00:51:03.720 as opposed to your interpretation of what,

00:51:06.540 what are they actually just trying to say?

00:51:08.800 And then we'll just go with that

00:51:10.060 because they didn't mean anyone any harm.

00:51:11.620 Right.

00:51:11.800 This is what they were trying to say.

00:51:13.100 But Adam Buxton was,

00:51:14.240 and that's always been my kind of line,

00:51:15.660 but I don't think he really meant

00:51:17.140 to hurt anyone's feelings.

00:51:20.160 But with,

00:51:21.160 Adam Buxton suggested that

00:51:22.420 maybe now we need to

00:51:24.020 take into account

00:51:25.360 the,

00:51:28.100 what it could

00:51:29.240 be perceived as.

00:51:31.080 And I thought,

00:51:31.820 oh God,

00:51:32.220 that's interesting.

00:51:34.540 See,

00:51:34.840 by the way,

00:51:35.220 this doesn't touch

00:51:36.120 any of the stand-up I do.

00:51:37.720 My stand-up,

00:51:38.500 so this is why

00:51:40.200 I don't think about it that much.

00:51:41.180 Yeah.

00:51:41.700 The microwave stuff

00:51:42.780 doesn't get affected.

00:51:43.760 Microwave stuff,

00:51:44.360 what am I writing about?

00:51:45.040 I've got a dog,

00:51:46.180 you know,

00:51:46.820 and people stop you

00:51:48.800 when you have a dog

00:51:49.400 and they go,

00:51:49.880 is it a boy or a girl?

00:51:50.640 And you think,

00:51:51.080 why did you want to fuck it?

00:51:52.420 That's what I'm talking about.

00:51:54.200 I'm not talking about the issues.

00:51:55.920 But,

00:51:56.260 I mean,

00:51:57.340 you could go then

00:51:58.240 into the trans stuff

00:51:59.240 from the boy or girl,

00:52:00.280 but,

00:52:00.440 but he doesn't.

00:52:01.360 But he don't.

00:52:01.940 No,

00:52:02.100 I don't,

00:52:02.520 I don't get a way to do that.

00:52:04.300 But because I don't think

00:52:05.640 about that stuff.

00:52:06.480 But here's the point,

00:52:07.580 right?

00:52:08.300 What something could be

00:52:09.400 perceived as,

00:52:10.760 isn't that just

00:52:11.400 the death of comedy?

00:52:12.840 Isn't that just you

00:52:13.720 second and third

00:52:14.720 and fourth guessing

00:52:15.560 every piece of material

00:52:17.000 that you write?

00:52:18.160 If you start to think,

00:52:19.220 well,

00:52:19.320 hang on,

00:52:19.880 well,

00:52:20.000 then that could be

00:52:20.560 perceived as this,

00:52:21.260 but it could also be

00:52:21.940 perceived as anything.

00:52:23.160 I'm someone with anxiety.

00:52:24.880 I perceive a billion

00:52:26.180 different things

00:52:26.820 at the same fucking time.

00:52:28.240 That's why I'm crippled

00:52:29.140 some of the time.

00:52:29.760 You can't operate like that.

00:52:31.780 Well,

00:52:33.140 but the room,

00:52:34.320 yeah,

00:52:34.800 you see,

00:52:35.120 I try to not think

00:52:36.140 past the room

00:52:36.980 I'm playing to.

00:52:38.160 And the room

00:52:38.740 will let you know.

00:52:39.760 Oh,

00:52:39.980 yeah,

00:52:40.200 yeah,

00:52:40.360 but that's how always,

00:52:41.920 that's all I'm saying,

00:52:42.820 man,

00:52:42.880 that's how it always was.

00:52:44.100 You are in the room,

00:52:45.040 you do a joke,

00:52:45.820 the audience pulls back,

00:52:46.840 you go,

00:52:47.160 that was too far

00:52:47.840 for this audience

00:52:48.580 in this room today.

00:52:50.100 And you go,

00:52:50.540 okay,

00:52:50.840 I'll try it again.

00:52:51.680 By the way,

00:52:52.200 when I'm trying new stuff,

00:52:53.580 I do,

00:52:53.880 I do sometimes say things

00:52:55.760 where the crowd go like,

00:52:56.560 oh,

00:52:56.820 would you go,

00:52:57.180 oh,

00:52:57.280 okay,

00:52:57.600 maybe not that.

00:52:58.140 Yeah,

00:52:58.220 and you maybe try it again,

00:52:59.560 you change the wording,

00:53:00.780 you play around with it

00:53:01.460 and eventually,

00:53:02.220 if it's a shit bit

00:53:02.980 or if it's too offensive,

00:53:04.300 you drop it.

00:53:04.960 Yeah.

00:53:05.220 That's how it was.

00:53:06.100 But if every time

00:53:07.100 you go too far,

00:53:09.260 then suddenly the world

00:53:10.480 descends upon you

00:53:11.680 and ruins your life,

00:53:13.120 that is going to affect

00:53:14.520 your comedy,

00:53:14.960 isn't it?

00:53:16.180 I imagine it will,

00:53:17.640 yeah.

00:53:17.860 Yeah.

00:53:18.600 That's all we're talking about.

00:53:19.900 No,

00:53:20.060 I know it is,

00:53:20.660 but I know,

00:53:21.020 I know,

00:53:21.220 no,

00:53:21.440 I know it is,

00:53:22.000 but I think,

00:53:23.160 but I think

00:53:23.720 if

00:53:25.300 it's just

00:53:27.440 you have to,

00:53:29.080 you know,

00:53:29.280 the audience isn't one thing,

00:53:31.120 the public,

00:53:31.680 we call it the public,

00:53:32.840 the audience,

00:53:33.740 it's not one thing,

00:53:34.660 it's made of individuals

00:53:35.940 and each,

00:53:37.460 every time you do a room,

00:53:40.380 there's different people

00:53:41.200 in that room

00:53:41.920 that are going to give you

00:53:42.960 a lot of the time

00:53:43.580 there might be

00:53:43.960 a different reaction.

00:53:45.280 What you're trying to do

00:53:46.040 is you're trying to create

00:53:47.100 a,

00:53:47.480 you know,

00:53:49.220 you're trying to create

00:53:50.240 a consistency,

00:53:51.340 aren't you?

00:53:52.080 Preferably going into

00:53:52.960 every room

00:53:53.700 and smashing every room

00:53:54.600 and that's generally

00:53:55.540 impossible

00:53:56.180 even for the biggest

00:53:57.460 and the best

00:53:58.100 but you,

00:53:59.880 you know,

00:54:00.240 you,

00:54:01.060 each gig is different

00:54:02.560 and the audience will,

00:54:05.100 they'll let you know

00:54:06.200 what they're,

00:54:06.960 what they're up for

00:54:08.040 that night

00:54:08.700 and I don't,

00:54:11.460 I mean,

00:54:11.780 could Tommy,

00:54:14.140 now does he have to think

00:54:15.200 about what

00:54:15.740 it might be perceived as

00:54:17.620 but you'll respond,

00:54:18.740 I suppose your responsibility

00:54:20.000 changes,

00:54:20.940 doesn't it?

00:54:21.380 The bigger you are,

00:54:22.320 it doesn't matter what,

00:54:23.080 it doesn't matter what

00:54:24.460 an open spot

00:54:25.420 is saying

00:54:26.700 but Tommy Tin

00:54:27.520 and then what happens

00:54:28.380 is this weird thing happens

00:54:29.680 that's always been the way

00:54:30.780 is that if you become

00:54:31.760 a huge name

00:54:32.300 suddenly you're given

00:54:33.520 like you guys

00:54:34.660 with this,

00:54:35.080 you know,

00:54:35.260 this has grown

00:54:35.740 suddenly you're given

00:54:36.880 this responsibility

00:54:37.740 where people

00:54:38.580 suddenly expect things

00:54:40.460 from you

00:54:41.360 and,

00:54:42.940 and that's just,

00:54:44.420 that's just always

00:54:45.260 been the way.

00:54:47.060 And what's it like

00:54:47.640 to have that responsibility?

00:54:50.080 Does it mean

00:54:51.060 that suddenly

00:54:51.880 you start second guessing,

00:54:53.920 third guessing

00:54:54.500 or do you just have

00:54:55.840 to be a comedian

00:54:56.460 and go look,

00:54:56.940 I'm going to say

00:54:57.380 what I'm going to say?

00:54:58.320 But I don't think

00:54:59.540 I've ever had that,

00:55:00.620 I was in the limelight

00:55:02.200 which meant it mattered

00:55:03.180 what I,

00:55:04.000 not mattered

00:55:04.480 but you know what I mean,

00:55:05.140 what I was saying

00:55:06.360 was going to be picked up

00:55:07.560 but it wasn't,

00:55:10.040 it's not like,

00:55:11.120 it's not like people

00:55:13.060 are generally speaking

00:55:14.380 coming to me about,

00:55:15.680 you know,

00:55:15.920 for my opinion

00:55:16.780 about everything,

00:55:17.580 that's like a different,

00:55:18.360 it's a different game.

00:55:19.700 That's a different level,

00:55:20.420 like you know,

00:55:20.980 when football managers

00:55:22.780 start getting asked

00:55:23.700 about Russia and Ukraine

00:55:25.320 and suddenly it's like

00:55:26.940 what,

00:55:27.400 what's happening?

00:55:27.980 But it's just,

00:55:29.220 we've always been like that.

00:55:30.600 If you get,

00:55:31.760 if you become really successful

00:55:33.120 almost at anything,

00:55:35.540 suddenly you're meant

00:55:36.420 to have an,

00:55:37.960 actors,

00:55:38.600 I mean they're,

00:55:39.160 actors,

00:55:40.700 they want,

00:55:42.600 actors love,

00:55:43.840 people,

00:55:44.460 we love knowing

00:55:45.120 what an actor,

00:55:45.900 this guy's been

00:55:46.820 an action film.

00:55:48.060 Let's find out

00:55:48.840 what he or she thinks

00:55:49.880 about the war

00:55:51.300 in Ukraine.

00:55:52.740 It's just always

00:55:53.620 been that way.

00:55:54.560 I don't know

00:55:55.000 why that is.

00:55:55.760 Yeah.

00:55:56.080 Yeah.

00:55:56.680 Hey KK,

00:55:57.940 do you like podcasts?

00:55:59.640 No.

00:56:00.260 In Russia

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00:56:09.560 BBC,

00:56:10.260 Sky,

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00:56:11.100 Fox News

00:56:11.500 and MSNBC.

00:56:12.640 Good point.

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00:57:14.300 wherever you get

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00:57:16.160 I've never listened

00:57:16.980 to it because

00:57:17.820 it is appropriately

00:57:19.100 banned in Russia.

00:57:21.320 We're all comedians

00:57:22.420 and a part of being

00:57:23.300 a comedian,

00:57:23.720 you alluded to it

00:57:25.500 yourself in your show

00:57:26.620 that you wanted

00:57:27.140 to be a star.

00:57:28.020 You wanted to be a star.

00:57:28.940 It's embarrassing, yeah.

00:57:30.300 No, but it's honest.

00:57:31.740 That's what was great

00:57:32.520 about it because

00:57:33.440 that's what we all

00:57:35.120 wanted to be when

00:57:35.680 we're going in,

00:57:36.240 a different type of star

00:57:37.380 but a star nevertheless.

00:57:38.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:39.480 But having experienced it,

00:57:40.860 was it all that it

00:57:41.820 was cracked up to be?

00:57:44.060 Well,

00:57:45.180 as well,

00:57:46.560 well, when you're in it,

00:57:47.700 when you're,

00:57:49.180 I don't,

00:57:50.400 well, I certainly,

00:57:51.320 I certainly never

00:57:52.140 viewed myself as a star

00:57:53.600 but you were,

00:57:54.240 you know,

00:57:54.720 I was,

00:57:55.200 I was on television

00:57:56.260 but I was recognisable.

00:57:57.740 If those three weeks,

00:57:59.060 if those three weeks

00:58:00.060 had run forever,

00:58:01.300 Yeah.

00:58:01.620 Yeah.

00:58:02.100 Would you have been?

00:58:03.080 It would have been,

00:58:03.560 it seems like that

00:58:04.320 would have been

00:58:04.620 bloody lovely.

00:58:05.480 Yeah.

00:58:05.620 Like I say in the show,

00:58:09.240 I think like,

00:58:09.960 I was walking down the street

00:58:10.920 and people are going,

00:58:11.900 good luck on Saturday.

00:58:13.400 It was lovely.

00:58:14.240 Cheers, mate.

00:58:15.060 Thank you.

00:58:15.740 Yeah.

00:58:16.020 But,

00:58:16.380 no,

00:58:18.800 I'll tell you what's quite funny

00:58:20.220 is I,

00:58:20.600 and I don't,

00:58:21.260 I don't mention this

00:58:21.960 in the show.

00:58:23.000 I only did

00:58:24.160 one gig

00:58:25.580 in the time

00:58:28.100 that I'd been on Strictly.

00:58:30.240 So,

00:58:30.940 in that three weeks,

00:58:32.420 I did one gig

00:58:34.440 and got to feel

00:58:35.680 the reaction

00:58:36.920 of the crowd.

00:58:38.480 They went,

00:58:39.140 they went nuts.

00:58:40.440 Really?

00:58:41.020 Man,

00:58:41.300 it was what you dream of.

00:58:42.540 I went out

00:58:43.180 and the crowd were like,

00:58:44.660 fuck,

00:58:45.520 it's him!

00:58:46.320 And they went,

00:58:46.940 they went wild.

00:58:47.900 And I was like,

00:58:48.960 like I say,

00:58:49.500 I felt like I had my power back

00:58:50.960 and I,

00:58:52.400 You didn't need punchlines.

00:58:53.700 an amazing gig.

00:58:54.460 You didn't need punchlines.

00:58:55.700 Anything you say is funny.

00:58:57.040 Just flying.

00:58:57.680 Yeah,

00:58:57.880 it was amazing.

00:58:58.420 And I did,

00:58:59.920 it was like a film.

00:59:01.140 I got,

00:59:01.720 I got to experience that once

00:59:03.360 downstairs

00:59:04.540 at Top Secret.

00:59:05.700 Oh man,

00:59:06.220 it's a great room.

00:59:06.880 For 15 minutes.

00:59:07.840 Best of the country,

00:59:08.480 Top Secret.

00:59:09.120 Yeah.

00:59:09.540 And hot water.

00:59:10.340 Yeah.

00:59:11.400 Up in Liverpool,

00:59:12.220 but in London,

00:59:12.760 yeah,

00:59:12.880 Top Secret.

00:59:13.440 So,

00:59:14.020 and Bill Murray.

00:59:14.860 Shout out to the Bill Murray Comedy Club.

00:59:16.480 But,

00:59:17.200 the,

00:59:18.160 yeah,

00:59:18.340 just once

00:59:18.880 for 10,

00:59:19.920 15 minutes

00:59:20.480 to feel that,

00:59:22.080 to walk off

00:59:23.280 and then

00:59:25.560 to become the number one villain.

00:59:27.360 Yeah.

00:59:27.680 for,

00:59:28.180 for the rest of the year.

00:59:29.900 But isn't that,

00:59:30.720 and that was it.

00:59:31.520 I got,

00:59:32.020 you go,

00:59:32.800 I felt that once.

00:59:34.140 It's fucking mental.

00:59:35.960 It's crazy.

00:59:37.740 But isn't that the quintessential celebrity experience?

00:59:40.480 You go from being this hero where everyone,

00:59:42.520 I had it condensed into like,

00:59:44.920 just three weeks.

00:59:46.620 Like that.

00:59:47.620 Woohoo!

00:59:48.460 Ah!

00:59:49.540 Straight down.

00:59:50.760 Because you look at someone like Beckham,

00:59:52.320 David Beckham,

00:59:53.000 he went through the same thing

00:59:54.080 where he was just like the hero,

00:59:55.500 then the,

00:59:55.860 then in the 98 World Cup,

00:59:57.740 everyone hated him.

00:59:59.160 And that's what happens to a load of celebrities.

01:00:01.180 I wonder what that did to him.

01:00:02.040 Did he ever write about what that did to him?

01:00:03.620 I don't know if he wrote,

01:00:04.240 but I know he got,

01:00:05.080 he needed help.

01:00:05.900 Yeah,

01:00:06.280 yeah,

01:00:06.420 I bet.

01:00:06.600 To go through that.

01:00:07.240 Yeah,

01:00:07.480 yeah,

01:00:07.600 yeah.

01:00:08.180 And that was on an even bigger scale than yours,

01:00:10.620 which was big scale.

01:00:11.120 Of course,

01:00:11.480 yeah.

01:00:11.660 No,

01:00:11.800 this was good.

01:00:12.380 Oh,

01:00:12.580 God.

01:00:13.140 Yeah.

01:00:13.340 No,

01:00:13.520 of course.

01:00:14.440 But,

01:00:14.800 um,

01:00:15.700 what,

01:00:15.960 what,

01:00:16.220 what,

01:00:16.520 what were we saying?

01:00:17.680 What were we saying?

01:00:18.500 So,

01:00:18.560 yeah,

01:00:19.840 so I,

01:00:20.080 so I,

01:00:20.400 no,

01:00:20.640 I was just telling you,

01:00:21.140 I got to,

01:00:21.660 I got to feel that,

01:00:22.920 that once.

01:00:24.020 Before that,

01:00:25.060 throughout my twenties,

01:00:26.540 I think I,

01:00:27.160 I,

01:00:27.720 I'll tell you what I've learned.

01:00:29.080 If you're going to go like,

01:00:29.860 you know,

01:00:30.040 it's the film.

01:00:30.740 What did he learn from going forward with that?

01:00:32.940 I've learned the value of things in my life a lot more.

01:00:35.680 I had no respect.

01:00:37.280 I didn't value anything I had.

01:00:39.940 Came from,

01:00:40.660 often poor background,

01:00:44.480 no money.

01:00:45.340 You know,

01:00:45.880 my dad waiting for the money to come in.

01:00:49.080 Loved drugs,

01:00:50.620 my dad.

01:00:51.560 And,

01:00:51.820 uh,

01:00:52.500 and so he'd be waiting for the money to come through the cash point.

01:00:55.760 So they could buy his drugs.

01:00:58.720 And,

01:00:58.800 um,

01:01:00.320 and,

01:01:00.660 and so then at 21 years of age,

01:01:05.460 you,

01:01:06.000 you,

01:01:07.600 you suddenly,

01:01:08.800 my friends were like,

01:01:10.060 working on me,

01:01:11.120 but like Gab's is working in a,

01:01:12.820 in a bakery.

01:01:15.020 And we're getting 127 pound 50 for 20 minutes or something.

01:01:18.940 149 pound 50,

01:01:20.560 sometimes 200 quid.

01:01:22.360 Like it was,

01:01:24.100 it was mind blowing.

01:01:26.200 I had,

01:01:26.840 was getting paid 200 pounds to do the thing I loved.

01:01:30.700 Whilst my mates were working eight hours in a bakery.

01:01:34.380 Like it,

01:01:35.560 it was unreal.

01:01:37.200 So,

01:01:37.360 but it meant that I didn't really learn the vowel at such a young age.

01:01:41.320 When,

01:01:41.740 when,

01:01:42.100 when people know,

01:01:43.040 you know,

01:01:43.300 in your twenties,

01:01:44.040 that's when you're broke,

01:01:44.740 isn't it?

01:01:45.100 Yeah.

01:01:45.240 Yeah.

01:01:45.380 Not me.

01:01:46.680 I wasn't broke.

01:01:48.220 I,

01:01:48.420 I went from earning circuit money in your early twenties,

01:01:51.380 which was a lot back then.

01:01:52.700 to then doing TV where you're earning like silly money,

01:01:57.080 which I all spent on Ubers.

01:02:00.100 How much were you earning?

01:02:00.840 I think I,

01:02:01.680 well,

01:02:02.480 we're not going to go,

01:02:03.220 you know,

01:02:03.920 we're talking thousands of pounds,

01:02:05.520 but we're talking,

01:02:06.140 for someone in their twenties,

01:02:07.220 we're talking,

01:02:07.760 you know,

01:02:08.780 I didn't have to look at what a price of coffee was,

01:02:11.440 you know,

01:02:12.000 even a t-shirt,

01:02:12.740 I just buy a t-shirt,

01:02:14.200 I don't know.

01:02:14.580 I just buy a t-shirt.

01:02:15.520 And there's only a t-shirt,

01:02:16.600 but to not to be at that age where you're not looking at the,

01:02:20.200 you know,

01:02:20.560 the,

01:02:20.920 to not look,

01:02:21.880 that's such a small thing,

01:02:23.160 but I wasn't looking.

01:02:24.720 That's not someone that's valuing things.

01:02:26.580 No.

01:02:27.160 There's no value.

01:02:27.840 You pick that.

01:02:28.160 I'll buy that.

01:02:29.420 That's how I was with life.

01:02:30.720 I didn't value anything.

01:02:32.320 I got trapped from no money to money.

01:02:35.440 So I didn't have that bit,

01:02:37.080 which you were meant to have in your life as a student,

01:02:39.780 who then goes into work,

01:02:40.760 which is okay.

01:02:42.420 There's so much I'm getting this week.

01:02:43.740 I'm going to need this.

01:02:44.600 I better put this aside.

01:02:45.520 I'm going to buy this,

01:02:46.120 the food here.

01:02:46.800 Some of my friends always lived.

01:02:48.040 And I didn't,

01:02:48.900 it wasn't,

01:02:49.420 I just couldn't,

01:02:50.200 I couldn't connect with them.

01:02:51.240 I couldn't,

01:02:51.820 you can't teach yourself that.

01:02:53.940 If you,

01:02:54.480 if you suddenly be given loads of money and you had,

01:02:56.640 none and you,

01:02:57.640 you didn't,

01:02:58.100 I didn't come from,

01:02:59.280 you know,

01:03:00.060 uh,

01:03:01.280 traditional family.

01:03:04.080 So that wasn't really instilled in me,

01:03:07.420 even,

01:03:07.660 you know,

01:03:07.860 even if they,

01:03:08.380 they tried.

01:03:09.160 So,

01:03:10.260 so you didn't learn the value of it.

01:03:11.960 When that's all taken away from you.

01:03:13.700 So now you're not earning the big bucks because you're finding it difficult to get work.

01:03:17.180 And then people,

01:03:18.020 everyone thinks you're a cunt.

01:03:18.940 So they're not coming to see your shows.

01:03:20.540 And that's turned around a little bit,

01:03:22.440 but suddenly you've really got to learn.

01:03:26.640 The value of money,

01:03:30.440 French,

01:03:31.020 everything.

01:03:31.680 You really learn to weigh up the value of things.

01:03:35.340 So when you're talking about my twenties,

01:03:37.940 what was it like?

01:03:38.680 I don't really know.

01:03:39.240 I wasn't,

01:03:39.520 I wasn't,

01:03:40.040 I wasn't assessing this.

01:03:41.500 I was just going through it.

01:03:43.980 I was just getting shit fat doing shit face.

01:03:46.580 Where are we going?

01:03:47.160 What are we doing?

01:03:47.940 There was no value.

01:03:48.980 And remember,

01:03:49.820 I kind of expected it with me.

01:03:52.120 I had that arrogant,

01:03:52.840 that young,

01:03:53.260 I've been wanting to do this since I was 10.

01:03:55.560 So this was what I expected of myself.

01:03:58.280 And then also it wasn't really the stuff I wanted to do.

01:04:00.520 I wanted to be a comic at,

01:04:02.200 you know,

01:04:02.380 Jim Carrey and,

01:04:03.500 and be doing things like,

01:04:05.140 you know,

01:04:05.580 farcical,

01:04:06.400 faulty tower style sitcoms.

01:04:07.760 And I was,

01:04:08.180 I was on panel show.

01:04:09.020 It's all kind of went a bit wrong somehow.

01:04:12.620 And it's when you reflect and you realize,

01:04:16.720 God,

01:04:17.000 I didn't,

01:04:18.100 I didn't value any of that.

01:04:19.480 And I didn't value,

01:04:20.200 you know,

01:04:20.420 like I walked out the second time I did live at the Apollo,

01:04:23.460 the second one.

01:04:24.140 So I did three times,

01:04:24.960 which is amazing.

01:04:25.900 And the second time I did it,

01:04:28.040 I bet,

01:04:28.480 I tell you what,

01:04:29.080 I bet I was told I was doing that.

01:04:30.320 And I was like,

01:04:30.740 cool.

01:04:32.100 And then I went up and I did it.

01:04:34.480 And I didn't even stay and watch.

01:04:35.940 I think I just,

01:04:36.600 I literally did my second live at the Apollo,

01:04:38.360 had a fantastic time talking about Jager bombs and being hung over and having,

01:04:43.320 you know,

01:04:43.460 when you have to go up,

01:04:45.040 when you get a,

01:04:45.800 a,

01:04:46.000 a,

01:04:46.620 a round double decker bus and it's packed downstairs.

01:04:50.520 And then you've got to make that call.

01:04:52.640 Should I go upstairs?

01:04:53.740 Or should I stay down here?

01:04:56.420 And then,

01:04:56.640 so you go,

01:04:57.160 right,

01:04:57.220 I'll risk it.

01:04:57.900 I'll see if there's a seat upstairs.

01:04:58.960 And then you have to do that walk upstairs and you turn around and it's packed.

01:05:02.480 And now you have to do the walk of shame down the stairs where everyone is waiting for you going.

01:05:07.360 Yeah,

01:05:07.440 we knew.

01:05:08.140 It's London.

01:05:08.740 Everyone knew that was packed.

01:05:09.880 Nice try,

01:05:10.460 dickhead.

01:05:10.880 Yeah,

01:05:11.100 exactly.

01:05:11.940 So,

01:05:12.800 but I finished that and I went home and I never thought about it again.

01:05:15.400 There was no appreciation of these amazing things I was doing.

01:05:18.200 Whereas obviously with what happened with Strictly,

01:05:21.300 everything after that,

01:05:22.760 there's such an appreciation.

01:05:24.080 I did Royal Albert Hall on a Tuesday.

01:05:27.860 It was like,

01:05:28.260 was it last Tuesday?

01:05:28.900 Oh,

01:05:29.000 the Tuesday before.

01:05:30.040 And there's such a,

01:05:31.260 you just,

01:05:32.020 I'm looking around like,

01:05:33.040 I can't believe I'm doing this.

01:05:34.340 This is amazing.

01:05:35.220 And you value everything.

01:05:36.940 So that's been really good for me.

01:05:39.720 Do you understand why am I communicating?

01:05:41.640 No,

01:05:41.800 I understand 100%.

01:05:42.300 Yeah.

01:05:43.220 And I think,

01:05:43.720 I didn't have that in my 20s.

01:05:44.820 There was no appreciation of fucking anything.

01:05:47.520 And it's nice to be able to really value my life.

01:05:51.400 You're present now.

01:05:51.800 I love my life.

01:05:52.460 My life outside of comedy.

01:05:54.340 Because when you're young,

01:05:55.220 all it is is about comedy,

01:05:56.540 comedy,

01:05:56.920 comedy.

01:05:57.320 And now I love my time off stage.

01:05:59.960 I love my time in West London where I live.

01:06:02.820 But I have a day off and I fucking love it.

01:06:04.820 And I never used to.

01:06:05.560 I used to just be hungover and going,

01:06:06.820 oh fuck,

01:06:07.280 I've got a gig on Tuesday.

01:06:08.380 Oh fuck.

01:06:09.680 You know?

01:06:10.340 Are you glad you went through it?

01:06:14.940 I just,

01:06:16.900 I,

01:06:17.560 it's,

01:06:19.440 you,

01:06:20.060 you kind of want to,

01:06:21.320 the Hollywood answer would be yes.

01:06:23.960 And you want to go like,

01:06:25.460 yeah,

01:06:25.680 it made me a better person.

01:06:26.580 But I think that it would have been nicer to have had an easier route.

01:06:30.020 You can't be glad you went through that.

01:06:31.800 It was,

01:06:32.340 no.

01:06:32.820 You know,

01:06:33.400 Sean,

01:06:33.700 I don't think it's possible to have the life that you had without having some

01:06:36.760 kind of crash.

01:06:37.840 That's true.

01:06:38.640 I don't think.

01:06:39.040 Everyone thinks that says that to me.

01:06:40.160 I don't think it was possible.

01:06:41.360 Yeah.

01:06:41.980 Because that,

01:06:42.900 that lack of presence with your life that you talk about for the,

01:06:47.140 for the,

01:06:47.360 in the twenties.

01:06:48.320 Yeah.

01:06:48.800 It,

01:06:49.100 it was always going to,

01:06:50.120 because you,

01:06:50.980 and I speak from personal experience.

01:06:52.620 Sure.

01:06:53.040 You're too arrogant.

01:06:54.300 You're too arrogant.

01:06:56.280 You,

01:06:56.680 you start to think you're everything.

01:06:59.680 Am I wrong?

01:07:00.640 When were you feeling this?

01:07:01.800 I was feeling it in,

01:07:03.040 in different things that I was doing.

01:07:04.580 Do you still have it?

01:07:05.920 Uh,

01:07:06.360 what?

01:07:07.020 The arrogance?

01:07:07.480 Yeah.

01:07:08.540 A little bit.

01:07:09.340 You do have it?

01:07:09.680 But it's been tempered now.

01:07:10.940 Do you have it?

01:07:12.160 No,

01:07:12.440 life beat the shit out of me.

01:07:16.440 Life beat the living shit.

01:07:19.000 Fuck it.

01:07:19.680 There's a libertines line.

01:07:21.120 I've got a quote.

01:07:21.620 It's beautiful.

01:07:22.260 It's a libertines line.

01:07:23.100 And I made it my Twitter bio.

01:07:24.880 And I actually took it down because I thought,

01:07:26.260 if,

01:07:27.340 if I'm like,

01:07:28.460 if I got an audition in America,

01:07:29.800 which I sometimes get,

01:07:30.640 they might see this and think,

01:07:31.480 what the fuck does that mean?

01:07:32.320 And then they'll look back at the Strictly stuff.

01:07:34.180 But Pete Doherty,

01:07:35.140 libertines line,

01:07:35.820 which is a boy kicked out of the world.

01:07:37.840 The world kicked back a lot fucking harder now.

01:07:39.940 Yeah.

01:07:40.320 That,

01:07:40.780 that me,

01:07:41.300 that for me,

01:07:41.700 that was what I felt like when I was going through that Strictly stuff.

01:07:44.240 That,

01:07:44.460 that I should get that as a tattoo.

01:07:45.780 It's like,

01:07:46.340 I brought up,

01:07:49.120 dad off his nut and drugs,

01:07:50.840 went to school,

01:07:51.560 didn't get a GCSE,

01:07:53.220 but ended up playing the O2 arena.

01:07:54.800 Like I was,

01:07:55.260 I felt like,

01:07:56.020 you know,

01:07:56.280 in a,

01:07:56.520 in a business that is full of middle class.

01:07:58.980 Yeah.

01:07:59.340 You know,

01:07:59.960 middle class,

01:08:00.340 everywhere,

01:08:00.880 middle class people,

01:08:02.560 private school people,

01:08:03.720 people,

01:08:04.160 a lot of people,

01:08:04.900 they're just,

01:08:05.240 their life is handed to them.

01:08:06.780 But I've come in through this other route.

01:08:08.860 And then the world just went,

01:08:10.920 bang.

01:08:11.680 Yeah.

01:08:12.400 Fuck off.

01:08:13.320 And I was like,

01:08:13.740 oh God.

01:08:16.680 That heart.

01:08:19.860 I know how you feel.

01:08:21.020 Yeah, man.

01:08:21.420 You know,

01:08:21.900 when you asked me,

01:08:22.760 I initially just gave you,

01:08:24.000 my story was very,

01:08:25.020 sorry,

01:08:25.320 go on.

01:08:25.380 No,

01:08:25.760 no,

01:08:25.840 it was much simpler.

01:08:26.540 My parents,

01:08:27.600 when I was born,

01:08:28.640 my mom had been 18 for three days.

01:08:31.200 My dad was 20.

01:08:32.240 They were both students.

01:08:33.420 Really poor in Soviet Russia.

01:08:35.860 Fast forward a few years,

01:08:37.040 my dad becomes a mini oligarch.

01:08:38.740 Shit tons of money.

01:08:40.120 Send me to private school in England.

01:08:42.200 You know,

01:08:42.580 son,

01:08:43.000 don't worry.

01:08:43.380 I was like,

01:08:43.880 maybe I should get a job while I'm at school.

01:08:45.620 Just,

01:08:45.860 you know,

01:08:46.320 no,

01:08:46.540 don't worry about it.

01:08:47.280 Just get the grades.

01:08:48.380 You go to university,

01:08:49.420 get the grades.

01:08:50.080 You're going to go to a big financial company,

01:08:52.940 you know,

01:08:53.300 company house,

01:08:54.120 company car,

01:08:54.840 company wife,

01:08:55.620 company,

01:08:55.980 like everything taken care of.

01:08:57.880 And by the time I was 18,

01:08:59.460 my dad had lost all his money for reasons we don't get.

01:09:01.940 It's too long a story.

01:09:03.220 Right.

01:09:03.420 And I was sleeping in a park.

01:09:07.100 Just loved getting bang on the gear.

01:09:09.340 Sleeping in a park.

01:09:11.000 Sleeping in a car.

01:09:12.100 In a park.

01:09:12.940 In a park.

01:09:13.600 Around the corner of the venue where I did my first Edinburgh show.

01:09:17.020 Around the corner.

01:09:17.720 I was in university in Edinburgh and I was sleeping in that park for three weeks,

01:09:21.400 just trying to get my shit together.

01:09:23.180 So that arrogance just gone in three weeks.

01:09:27.800 All that.

01:09:28.660 Oh,

01:09:28.900 I'm the top of the world.

01:09:30.140 I'm special.

01:09:30.920 I'm different.

01:09:31.620 I'm this,

01:09:32.100 I'm that.

01:09:32.580 No,

01:09:32.760 no,

01:09:33.140 no,

01:09:33.380 no.

01:09:33.480 You're right fucking here in the park.

01:09:35.100 That's quite the fall.

01:09:36.140 Yeah.

01:09:36.740 Yeah.

01:09:36.960 And it happens quickly.

01:09:38.220 So I know that feeling very well.

01:09:41.200 And.

01:09:41.640 That's very young as well.

01:09:42.680 Very young.

01:09:43.880 And I'm glad it happened that young.

01:09:45.680 Because all that would have happened to me is what happened to you.

01:09:48.300 I would have just built my ego even more.

01:09:50.960 I would have thought I'm,

01:09:52.580 I would have got bigger and bigger in my own head and in the world,

01:09:56.120 you know,

01:09:56.360 because I was smart.

01:09:57.380 I was talented.

01:09:58.140 I would have made it through and I would have been bigger and bigger and bigger.

01:10:02.020 But I'm glad of that.

01:10:04.120 And I think there will come a time when you're glad of what you went through as well.

01:10:07.640 Remember that I also,

01:10:09.020 yeah,

01:10:09.880 I see what you're saying.

01:10:10.860 Remember I also,

01:10:11.940 I also caused a lot of pain.

01:10:14.600 You know,

01:10:14.840 there,

01:10:14.980 you know,

01:10:15.340 there were other people involved in mine,

01:10:17.540 which,

01:10:17.820 you know,

01:10:17.980 you can't,

01:10:18.420 you can't ever.

01:10:19.320 I mean,

01:10:19.520 I think everyone,

01:10:21.080 as far as I can tell,

01:10:22.420 everyone involved has,

01:10:23.560 has gone on and,

01:10:24.460 and is having a,

01:10:25.920 a good time and doing well for themselves.

01:10:28.720 But you split up,

01:10:30.060 she split up with her husband,

01:10:31.840 didn't she?

01:10:32.360 Yeah.

01:10:32.600 Yes.

01:10:32.940 Yeah.

01:10:33.180 They got divorced.

01:10:33.860 And I think I've,

01:10:34.900 I mean,

01:10:35.120 I don't,

01:10:35.480 I,

01:10:35.720 you know,

01:10:35.900 I try and stay away from anything that is,

01:10:40.140 it's attached to that whole time in my,

01:10:43.880 in my,

01:10:44.620 in my life.

01:10:45.660 But I think,

01:10:46.180 you know,

01:10:46.760 I think everyone's doing,

01:10:48.680 everyone who's involved in that is doing well.

01:10:50.560 And I wish them well.

01:10:51.360 And I think that,

01:10:53.300 but it just makes it a bit difficult.

01:10:54.840 So it makes it easier that you can look back and think,

01:10:56.700 oh,

01:10:56.900 I'm glad that happened.

01:10:58.080 But you also have to always live with,

01:11:00.060 you still caused quite a lot of,

01:11:02.900 you know,

01:11:03.940 kind of,

01:11:04.600 you cause a wreckage in your,

01:11:06.480 in your path.

01:11:07.240 So can I be glad it happened to me?

01:11:09.820 Maybe.

01:11:10.280 Let's see where,

01:11:10.900 let's see where this ends up.

01:11:12.260 But,

01:11:12.520 you know.

01:11:12.900 But also,

01:11:13.240 you know,

01:11:13.420 with other people,

01:11:14.280 look,

01:11:14.740 you,

01:11:15.060 you got to take responsibility for your actions.

01:11:17.660 Yeah.

01:11:18.080 But they got to take responsibility for their actions.

01:11:20.920 Well,

01:11:21.140 I'm not,

01:11:21.540 I'm not getting involved.

01:11:22.440 I'm not saying that.

01:11:23.020 I'm not saying that.

01:11:28.500 That's going to be the title of the episode.

01:11:30.420 Sure.

01:11:31.260 She needs to take responsibility for her actions.

01:11:34.060 But it's true,

01:11:34.940 man.

01:11:35.100 Sure,

01:11:35.360 we won't go there.

01:11:39.500 This is not my fault.

01:11:42.680 No,

01:11:43.320 no,

01:11:43.780 no,

01:11:43.900 but,

01:11:44.060 but I,

01:11:45.260 I,

01:11:45.580 look,

01:11:46.040 these things that happen in life,

01:11:47.840 they're very important,

01:11:48.660 man.

01:11:49.140 They're very important.

01:11:50.480 Um,

01:11:51.080 they're very important.

01:11:52.360 And you,

01:11:52.780 you,

01:11:53.060 you will,

01:11:53.760 you,

01:11:54.040 what you,

01:11:54.560 the work you will do later in your life will be better for it.

01:11:58.120 Hmm.

01:11:58.640 Well,

01:11:58.860 yeah.

01:11:59.400 Well,

01:11:59.520 it will be.

01:12:01.040 Yes.

01:12:01.440 And it,

01:12:02.260 the kiss is a brilliant show.

01:12:04.020 It's on YouTube.

01:12:05.060 It's available for free.

01:12:06.100 People can go and watch it.

01:12:07.200 stick on YouTube.

01:12:07.800 And are you touring as well?

01:12:09.340 We're touring.

01:12:10.040 I've got a podcast called What's Upset You Now?

01:12:12.420 Uh,

01:12:12.700 it's only 15 minutes long.

01:12:13.960 You can hear that.

01:12:14.580 And there's a extended episode on Patreon.

01:12:16.700 But,

01:12:16.840 um,

01:12:17.220 yeah,

01:12:17.440 check out the,

01:12:18.600 the,

01:12:18.880 you know,

01:12:19.360 if people are watching and,

01:12:20.660 um,

01:12:21.580 you know,

01:12:21.860 they want to know more about what it was we're talking about,

01:12:23.640 even though I think they've heard enough.

01:12:25.240 There is a comedy version of it.

01:12:27.020 Kiss on YouTube.

01:12:28.260 And,

01:12:28.340 and also as well,

01:12:29.060 I think it's important to say that.

01:12:30.580 I remember the first time I saw you do comedy and I was blown away.

01:12:33.780 I thought you were just absolutely brilliant.

01:12:36.020 And when I said the most naturally talented comedian on stage,

01:12:39.400 I meant it.

01:12:40.260 Oh,

01:12:40.400 thanks man.

01:12:41.060 When I,

01:12:41.460 when I've seen you live.

01:12:42.660 I'm trying to cry a minute.

01:12:44.120 That's the purpose.

01:12:45.100 That's the way to end the show.

01:12:46.320 Yeah,

01:12:46.620 yeah,

01:12:46.800 yeah,

01:12:46.980 yeah.

01:12:47.280 But I,

01:12:48.920 I,

01:12:49.040 I always say that when everyone goes to me,

01:12:50.920 what's Sean like?

01:12:51.440 I got the most naturally talented comedian I've ever seen.

01:12:53.740 Oh,

01:12:53.760 it's amazing.

01:12:54.200 And I've seen you crush it at festivals,

01:12:56.240 cat laughs where you've been a few times while I was there.

01:12:59.920 You're a great live comic.

01:13:01.300 And I really recommend people get a ticket and come and see you.

01:13:04.020 Oh,

01:13:04.140 thank you so much.

01:13:04.920 It's been,

01:13:05.080 it's been lovely to chat.

01:13:06.760 Thanks for having me on.

01:13:07.520 Before we let you go though,

01:13:08.540 we've got some questions from our local supporters,

01:13:10.460 which we'll ask you after the interview.

01:13:12.060 But the last question we always ask is what's the one thing we're not

01:13:15.100 talking about that we really should be?

01:13:19.240 I think,

01:13:20.600 yes,

01:13:21.620 this is important.

01:13:22.380 is one thing I think that we need to clear up as,

01:13:26.980 and I don't know if it's a national problem or a global problem,

01:13:29.640 but the word next,

01:13:33.520 when you say,

01:13:34.760 I'll meet you next Thursday.

01:13:38.060 So some people think next Thursday is the Thursday coming.

01:13:42.220 And some people think next Thursday is the,

01:13:46.120 is the first Thursday the following week.

01:13:49.480 The next week is that,

01:13:50.800 is that Thursday.

01:13:51.860 And I think we need to get this cleared up because it's causing a lot of

01:13:54.940 confusion.

01:13:55.940 And someone came to meet me recently.

01:14:01.040 And,

01:14:03.000 and they,

01:14:04.100 they,

01:14:04.760 that I thought that they,

01:14:06.060 they meant the next,

01:14:08.300 I thought they meant the week after.

01:14:10.680 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:14:11.740 Yeah.

01:14:11.880 What do you think next is?

01:14:13.380 I think when someone goes next Thursday.

01:14:15.220 If I'm meeting you,

01:14:16.180 so I'm going to meet you,

01:14:17.320 I'm going to meet you next Tuesday.

01:14:18.780 Right.

01:14:19.400 Next.

01:14:19.860 It depends on what day you're in.

01:14:21.460 Yeah.

01:14:21.980 If we're,

01:14:22.780 it now depends what day we're in.

01:14:24.180 Yeah.

01:14:24.320 This is chaos.

01:14:25.040 This is what I'm saying.

01:14:25.700 We need to get this cleared up.

01:14:26.620 Hold on.

01:14:27.080 No,

01:14:27.400 I don't think it's as complicated as you're making out.

01:14:29.200 It is as complicated.

01:14:30.240 I've not,

01:14:30.940 I'm didn't make,

01:14:31.800 I was meant to be on talk sport to do a radio and I didn't make it

01:14:34.980 because I had said next Thursday.

01:14:40.000 And then they text me on the Thursday of that week.

01:14:42.560 And they said,

01:14:43.380 where are you?

01:14:45.220 And I said,

01:14:45.840 so I thought you meant next.

01:14:47.160 I thought you meant the week after,

01:14:49.160 because I,

01:14:49.680 I thought that most people think the week after.

01:14:51.980 So I,

01:14:52.280 I changed what I thought it meant to,

01:14:54.920 to fit them.

01:14:56.460 Because I actually think even that does though,

01:14:58.720 despite I did that,

01:14:59.980 I actually think next is just the next.

01:15:02.120 It's the next.

01:15:02.840 It's not,

01:15:03.300 of course,

01:15:03.700 imagine you were at a queue in a shop and you're at the front of the

01:15:07.540 queue and the guy behind the counter said next.

01:15:09.660 And the guy behind you walked around.

01:15:12.240 You would think,

01:15:12.960 what the fuck are you doing?

01:15:14.060 He said next.

01:15:15.160 I'm next.

01:15:15.720 You're not next.

01:15:17.180 So can we just get this solved,

01:15:18.700 please?

01:15:18.900 What do you think next?

01:15:19.920 I've never seen them this angry.

01:15:21.520 These are the,

01:15:22.120 but these are the real issues.

01:15:23.680 This is the,

01:15:24.280 these are the things that make getting through life tough.

01:15:28.300 And this is what I'm trying to sort out.

01:15:30.720 What is next?

01:15:32.060 Well,

01:15:32.500 that's what we're going to be talking about on the next episode.

01:15:34.600 The next episode.

01:15:35.400 No,

01:15:35.620 what do you think next is?

01:15:36.760 It means next Thursday.

01:15:38.420 It means not this Thursday,

01:15:39.480 the one after.

01:15:39.860 Well,

01:15:40.020 it's Thursday today.

01:15:40.740 So that's confusing.

01:15:41.660 Yeah.

01:15:42.080 So,

01:15:42.380 all right.

01:15:42.620 Next.

01:15:42.940 Okay.

01:15:43.200 So next Tuesday.

01:15:45.560 I think it's a Tuesday afterwards.

01:15:47.740 You,

01:15:48.120 what you think that next Tuesday.

01:15:50.100 Yeah.

01:15:50.980 Is,

01:15:51.440 look at you.

01:15:52.000 You've never.

01:15:54.500 What do you think?

01:15:55.380 We've had Jordan Peterson on the podcast.

01:15:58.080 No,

01:15:58.360 this is.

01:15:58.640 We've had Douglas Murray,

01:15:59.720 some of the greatest thinkers in the history of the modern world.

01:16:02.320 Well,

01:16:02.540 get Jordan,

01:16:03.040 get Jordan Peterson to sort out when next is.

01:16:05.720 Can you,

01:16:05.980 do you have contact with Jordan?

01:16:07.240 I do.

01:16:07.660 Can you find out what he thinks next Tuesday is?

01:16:09.460 I'll do my best and I'll let you know.

01:16:10.800 Yeah.

01:16:11.000 Please.

01:16:12.540 We will do.

01:16:13.500 You don't seem to be taking it seriously.

01:16:15.880 When do you think next Tuesday is?

01:16:17.940 Next Tuesday is the coming Tuesday now.

01:16:20.640 Thank you.

01:16:21.300 Cause it's the next Tuesday.

01:16:23.220 But if,

01:16:23.560 but if,

01:16:24.020 but you think it's the Tuesday afterwards.

01:16:24.960 But Sean,

01:16:25.620 see this is a problem with the language.

01:16:27.100 But if we,

01:16:27.620 if today was Monday and you said next Tuesday,

01:16:29.880 that would be the Monday after this coming Tuesday.

01:16:31.860 Oh yeah.

01:16:32.200 Tuesday can't be tomorrow.

01:16:33.620 No.

01:16:33.940 You can't say next Tuesday if it's tomorrow.

01:16:36.060 That's insanity.

01:16:36.740 Depends on the day you're in.

01:16:38.240 Just like I said.

01:16:40.820 Right.

01:16:41.220 Yeah.

01:16:41.340 No,

01:16:41.500 but only if the day you're in.

01:16:42.940 I'm sorry you didn't make it to talk radio.

01:16:45.100 I'm really,

01:16:45.900 really sorry,

01:16:46.660 but it's not the fault of the world.

01:16:49.120 It's yours.

01:16:50.020 It's the fault of the language.

01:16:51.760 We've got one word that is meaning different things.

01:16:55.760 This has gone in a completely unexpected direction.

01:17:00.140 It needed to be spoken about.

01:17:02.100 There we go.

01:17:02.760 And we're doing it now.

01:17:03.200 That's why we asked the big questions here.

01:17:04.820 Guys,

01:17:05.280 thank you so much for watching.

01:17:06.480 And listening.

01:17:07.960 Make sure to follow Sean on all the socials

01:17:10.240 and check out his special.

01:17:11.960 It's called Kiss.

01:17:12.600 It's on YouTube.

01:17:13.440 We'll put a link to it in the description.

01:17:15.280 We're going to ask a couple of your questions for Sean

01:17:17.360 on our locals that only our supporters will see.

01:17:20.000 In the meantime,

01:17:20.740 thanks for watching.

01:17:21.500 Where do I look?

01:17:22.160 I don't know when to look when you're doing that.

01:17:23.620 You're not going to be on camera too, mate.

01:17:25.380 We don't want to hear any more from you about next.

01:17:27.820 I don't know when to look when you're...

01:17:29.080 Okay.

01:17:29.820 Just look somewhere.

01:17:30.860 Bye.

01:17:31.820 No,

01:17:32.360 it's also available as a podcast.

01:17:34.560 Fuck me.

01:17:35.240 We've had Jordan Peterson on the show anyway.

01:17:40.020 It was actually Will Smith

01:17:42.180 punching Chris Rock in the face.

01:17:44.080 And there are people that are going,

01:17:45.160 yeah,

01:17:45.240 but would you let someone say that about your partner?

01:17:49.940 You're like,

01:17:50.480 they wouldn't have to.

01:17:51.860 I would have done it.

01:17:52.780 I would have come in and been like,

01:17:54.480 look,

01:17:54.740 it's the old Bald and Jane.

01:17:56.440 It was mad.

01:17:59.560 I'm not going toления it.

01:18:13.160 I don't know.

TRIGGERnometry - April 14, 2022

Seann Walsh： Cancelled for a Kiss

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