TRIGGERnometry - ＂So What If You're Offended？ Nothing Happens＂ - Steve Hughes

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.

00:00:07.560 I'm Constantine Kissinger.

00:00:08.760 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:00:14.040 Our brilliant guest today is an Australian comedian who's been warning about some of 1.00

00:00:18.080 the stuff we've been talking for a long time since about 10 years ago.

00:00:21.060 Steve Hughes, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:22.800 Hello.

00:00:23.620 It's good to have you, man.

00:00:24.960 It's good to be here.

00:00:25.740 It is.

00:00:26.100 Hour and a half in a taxi.

00:00:27.100 but it's great to have you uh tell everybody who are you how are you where you are what has been

00:00:35.220 your journey the abridged version through life all right so for people who might not know who

00:00:39.840 you are well quite a few probably won't know who i am actually well i was born in australia

00:00:45.420 english parents uh i grew up in australia didn't really suit it wanted to play rugby league gave

00:00:54.800 it a go, but it's hard when you're made of bone.

00:01:00.560 Can't you handle this?

00:01:01.580 No, I can't.

00:01:05.400 If I, without getting too involved, I really grew up thinking, what am I going to do? 0.97

00:01:08.640 Like, I couldn't do maths, I couldn't do science, I couldn't kick balls.

00:01:11.900 I was going, and then I saw Iron Maiden in 1982 and just went, all right, I'll make bands.

00:01:20.120 So then I made bands, some of the first Australian thrash bands, probably the first Australian

00:01:23.660 And the hardcore thrash death metal band was in that for a few years.

00:01:27.100 It was quite well known through tape trading back then.

00:01:29.840 It was like the internet before the internet in underground heavy metal.

00:01:32.740 You just tape trade.

00:01:34.640 When Metallica and that started thrash metal,

00:01:36.260 even the mainstream metal people didn't like it, thought it was a fad.

00:01:38.680 Will it get big?

00:01:39.700 Well, yeah, I knew it was going to get big.

00:01:42.340 So there was a kind of tape trading underground punk metal scene,

00:01:45.780 fanzine.

00:01:46.300 So that band got quite well known just from that.

00:01:50.720 Then that broke up and I joined Immortal Sin,

00:01:52.260 which is another heavy metal band, toured overseas,

00:01:54.240 played in England and stuff and Germany and Faith No More,

00:01:57.240 Testament, bands like that, played in the States.

00:01:59.620 Went back, that broke up.

00:02:00.840 I formed another band called Presto which was a kind of eclectic rock,

00:02:04.540 cross metal folk, let's do whatever we want.

00:02:08.480 You know the 90s, let's do whatever we want.

00:02:11.620 Made two albums with that.

00:02:13.520 Joined another band called Nazul which is an extreme black metal band

00:02:16.540 in Australia which was only a studio band, made two albums with that.

00:02:20.560 But at the time I started comedy.

00:02:22.260 because after being in bands for 20 years and you get to a point

00:02:25.120 and you're in the band for five years and you've gone to rehearsals

00:02:27.200 twice a week for five years and you've done major tours

00:02:29.240 and you make records and now the bass player leaves.

00:02:33.820 Now the singer realises, I don't want to do this.

00:02:36.340 After years and bands, you're always relying on other people.

00:02:41.140 So I thought comedy.

00:02:43.260 I don't have to rely on anyone.

00:02:44.600 And I was all right at it.

00:02:45.500 So I went and started that in Australia and then I suddenly realised,

00:02:48.320 okay, Bill Bailey came out in

00:02:50.320 1980, 1998.

00:02:54.740 I always knew British comedy was the best

00:02:56.660 and then I, but I saw Bill Bailey

00:02:58.500 in this small theatre in Sydney.

00:03:00.920 It was brilliant.

00:03:02.180 And that's when I went, I've got to be around guys this good.

00:03:04.680 How do you get good if you're not around guys this good?

00:03:07.240 So I just, I've got an English passport. 0.97

00:03:08.760 I'll fucking come here. 0.96

00:03:10.480 And so you came here and when I was talking 0.99

00:03:12.600 to you about being on the show, because

00:03:14.880 you know, massive fan of your 0.98

00:03:16.660 comedy and when we were talking about political correctness you use the words to me i fucking 0.99

00:03:23.040 told you about this shit 11 years ago no one was listening you are now that's his best australian 0.98

00:03:29.220 accent by the way well i obviously wasn't the first to bring this up obviously bill mars had 0.99

00:03:33.820 a show called what politically incorrect or something 20 odd years you know there was even

00:03:39.320 an album brought out in the 80s which was a joke album a joke band anthrax which is a legitimate

00:03:44.120 band still going, but they mucked around.

00:03:45.920 They had an album called Speak English or Die.

00:03:49.460 Just a sort of punk crossover joke because all the songs were anti-PC

00:03:53.760 and offensive, you know, right?

00:03:56.760 So obviously that PC stuff was obviously in a place like New York,

00:03:59.720 that's where they're from.

00:04:00.460 It had been around.

00:04:01.120 That was like mid-'80s.

00:04:02.420 They had this kind of anti-PC.

00:04:04.340 So obviously, you know, I'm not the first guy to go, 0.89

00:04:06.240 hey, PC people are a bit nuts.

00:04:08.440 But back in, what, 2008 or something when they really did start

00:04:11.740 of bringing in that crossover of we can connect hate crime

00:04:15.640 to offence, that's when I went, hang on.

00:04:20.320 Because offence is not abuse or even insult, is it?

00:04:24.840 It's offence, which is you don't want to bring law into offence

00:04:30.020 because a vegetarian could be offended at a barbecue.

00:04:34.420 But that seems to be the place that we're at.

00:04:37.600 It is the place that we're at.

00:04:39.260 Well, you were talking about it.

00:04:40.360 You better agree with the narrative.

00:04:41.740 Yeah.

00:04:42.540 On every single political niche, cultural niche, social,

00:04:51.900 sort of a racial niche, sexual niche. 0.77

00:04:54.640 You better agree with all of it or you're some kind of sexist, 1.00

00:04:57.100 transphobic, Islamophobic, racist, heteronormative, 1.00

00:05:03.720 cisgendered, microaggression lunatic. 1.00

00:05:08.640 Yeah. 0.97

00:05:08.800 well I want to bring it back to to the video of you on Michael McIntyre's road show uh which we've

00:05:16.940 just played at the beginning of this episode uh and this was recorded in 2009 right and you're

00:05:22.820 talking about this very thing you're talking about the culture of offense people taking offense and

00:05:28.040 it's a subjective thing you're talking about all of that that's 11 years ago at a time when we

00:05:33.040 weren't really having this conversation in the same way like you said to Francis I was warning

00:05:36.880 you guys um and back then the way i remember it like people talking about political correctness

00:05:43.180 it was very much the sort of daily mail pc's gone mad you can't say anything these days

00:05:48.060 but 11 years on now i think we're in a very different place aren't we

00:05:51.940 i think i think you two know we're in a very different place yeah yeah well yeah it seems

00:05:59.580 as i said when i talked to you the other day i said i'll come on this you know there'll be lots

00:06:03.220 of people watching this that don't know who I am.

00:06:06.340 And I've watched some of the shows, you know,

00:06:08.000 some of the Douglas and the other fellow who was on who did the stuff

00:06:11.260 about Christianity and history.

00:06:13.500 Tom Holland.

00:06:14.040 Tom Holland.

00:06:14.460 Interesting.

00:06:15.420 With the hedgehogs.

00:06:16.420 Yeah.

00:06:16.800 Yeah, that's the one.

00:06:18.240 So they're educated.

00:06:19.400 I can tell they're educated, well-spoken men, whereas I'm not.

00:06:22.020 So I'm not here to tell anyone that I'm, you know, an expert

00:06:25.520 or all I'll talk about is the stuff that I've read

00:06:29.120 and studied, I guess, through 20 years and formed my,

00:06:35.840 I don't like the word belief system, but formed my sort of view

00:06:38.920 of how certain things in the world are connected

00:06:42.020 and deep in conspiracy.

00:06:43.520 And I don't mind being called a conspiracy theorist

00:06:45.120 because it's like being called a racist now, doesn't it?

00:06:48.320 It's like the boy who cried wolf.

00:06:50.060 No. 0.99

00:06:50.980 Oh, you're a racist, am I? 0.99

00:06:52.240 Or whatever. 0.77

00:06:54.120 It doesn't mean anything to me anymore.

00:06:55.520 I don't care.

00:06:56.260 I'm not going to listen to these feminists or PC people 1.00

00:06:59.000 or trans a lot.

00:07:00.460 Who are you?

00:07:01.120 I'm a 53-year-old man.

00:07:02.860 I don't need some 20-year-old with pink hair to tell me that I'm a racist.

00:07:05.540 I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:07:07.300 But I know it.

00:07:09.500 Like, who are you?

00:07:10.500 You don't know my life.

00:07:11.480 You don't know anything about me.

00:07:14.140 You're just, when I see people now, when I grew up around punks

00:07:17.200 and metalheads, here's why I can't stand these young people.

00:07:20.160 When I used to see girls when I grew up with green hair and Doc Martens, 0.93

00:07:23.100 they were cool girls. 0.99

00:07:24.700 Now I see anyone like that, I'm like, get them the fuck away from me. 0.98

00:07:29.000 because here's the great irony to me.

00:07:32.300 It's like even though now I can see a lot of my old punk mates

00:07:36.300 were still getting inundated with that lefty ideology.

00:07:39.100 We use these terms without getting too dualistic in politics, right?

00:07:44.300 Because some of my old mates, I realise, and also just the vibe

00:07:47.420 that was around when we were in underground punk and that,

00:07:49.620 a lot of this stuff was, you know, already in our heads.

00:07:53.560 In that underground punk world, it was like no one cares

00:07:56.680 where you're black or Chinese, you come to the punk gig, 0.96

00:07:59.600 no one cares if you're gay. 0.99

00:08:00.580 That was the whole thing about it.

00:08:01.680 It was that opening up of away from that mainstream sort of idea

00:08:07.020 of just, you know, you get married to a girl and it was all that sort

00:08:09.940 of, you know, everyone.

00:08:10.800 You know, I've been to, here's the other thing,

00:08:13.280 I've known tranny guys for 20-odd years at hippie festivals 1.00

00:08:16.800 that I met in the 90s.

00:08:19.300 You know, that's what I love now.

00:08:20.720 And you think you're having a rough time now.

00:08:21.960 This guy was one in like the 70s in Australia.

00:08:23.980 Like, you know, now he's in a teepee on pills.

00:08:31.820 So, yeah, you know, he still had some stuff to get to.

00:08:34.600 Yeah.

00:08:35.440 But, you know, so it seemed to me that, you know, and punks,

00:08:38.460 the whole thing was that we don't mind not being accepted

00:08:42.260 by the mainstream, we use these words, right?

00:08:46.440 So we'll make our extreme death metal band.

00:08:48.540 We don't care if no one likes it.

00:08:50.540 Other metal heads will like it.

00:08:52.460 We've got no support.

00:08:53.420 we won't get on a TV show, we won't do this,

00:08:55.220 but we're going to do it anyway, right?

00:08:56.420 We'll do it anyway.

00:08:58.320 But now it seems to me you've got all these young people 1.00

00:09:00.620 who have been inundated with this PC narrative that now they're,

00:09:04.380 they tell you that the system is what?

00:09:06.480 Well, they want it destroyed, don't they?

00:09:08.240 They say defund the police.

00:09:09.720 They say they believe that the system is what?

00:09:14.900 Inherently racist.

00:09:16.880 So I can't be a white guy that's not racist.

00:09:19.260 Why?

00:09:19.540 Because I've been brought up in that system that's systematically racist.

00:09:22.780 Is that the word they use?

00:09:23.620 Yeah.

00:09:23.840 Systemic.

00:09:24.400 Systemic racism.

00:09:26.200 So therefore they use this to quantify their arguments that,

00:09:29.440 well, you have to be some kind of racist.

00:09:30.820 Why? 0.96

00:09:31.080 Because you've been brought up in this hierarchical white

00:09:34.120 colonialist dominating, especially with Britain, I guess,

00:09:38.440 empirical tentacle.

00:09:41.220 And there's a truth to tentacles that came out of colonialism.

00:09:47.360 But it doesn't mean that what these people think is somehow now

00:09:50.200 I've got to bow down and go, oh, yeah, white people, 1.00

00:09:52.680 between the evilest people in the world and everyone else. 0.98

00:09:54.700 I'm like, forget about it, right, because these young kids

00:10:01.500 are telling you that this system now is this.

00:10:03.740 It's intrinsically systemic race. 0.51

00:10:05.060 It's all this.

00:10:05.580 But they're begging to be accepted by it.

00:10:09.560 Whereas when I grew up, these punks and that,

00:10:11.040 you go, well, we don't want to be accepted by it.

00:10:13.200 We'll stand over here.

00:10:14.560 We're not going to work in the bank.

00:10:15.960 Why?

00:10:16.220 Well, go to Mohawk.

00:10:18.120 This is why I go to Mohawk.

00:10:19.320 Why?

00:10:19.500 So I stand out against the system and it won't accept me.

00:10:23.300 But now you've got these young people going, well, 0.99

00:10:24.940 why won't the system accept me?

00:10:26.440 Even though I think the system is systemically racist, sexist,

00:10:29.860 violent, colonialist, capitalist, which I want to see destroyed,

00:10:33.480 but at the same time I want this very system I'd like to see destroyed

00:10:36.540 accept me.

00:10:39.620 It's a great point.

00:10:41.000 What?

00:10:42.760 It's a great point.

00:10:43.400 And then my friend sent to mine the other day, he sent me this thing

00:10:45.960 the other day going, he goes, this is your joke on the news.

00:10:49.580 and there was some Aussie punk guy going, like, with his, you know,

00:10:54.140 and, like, punk was over in about 78 in London, you know,

00:10:57.360 but still they exist, the fashion they stood on.

00:10:59.400 So there's some guy in a discharge jacket with studs and liquid paper

00:11:03.060 and a mohawk and the articles were, you know, I go for jobs

00:11:06.180 and employers don't want to hire me because of the way I look.

00:11:09.520 Well, of course.

00:11:12.700 That's why you dress like that.

00:11:16.600 But now they use it as this victim.

00:11:18.340 See how I don't get anything?

00:11:20.520 See if I just want to express myself, the system won't accept me.

00:11:25.580 So what you're really talking about there, Steve, is how people rebel.

00:11:31.420 So what you're saying is in the 70s you rebelled against the system

00:11:35.640 and now people are rebelling against the system,

00:11:38.860 but what they really want more than anything is to become the system.

00:11:42.260 Seems to me that's the way, or as my therapist in Australia put it perfectly,

00:11:45.380 He was an old guy, an ex-alcoholic, and it's not your average therapy. 0.92

00:11:50.960 He said, he goes, that's like asking the rapist to rub your back. 0.71

00:11:56.040 That's what you're asking. 0.96

00:11:57.400 He goes, and I had that once when I was talking to the Canadian Indians

00:12:00.500 because he'd done a lot of work overseas.

00:12:03.480 He's an interesting guy.

00:12:05.340 And there was a woman in Canada, you know, Indigenous, 0.99

00:12:08.120 with legitimate concerns if you've been through shit like that. 0.99

00:12:10.920 I understand. 0.97

00:12:11.480 I'm from Australia.

00:12:12.020 but bitching about the Canadian stuff and what's going on. 0.92

00:12:15.400 He just said to her, just stop expecting your oppressor to help you out.

00:12:24.300 Do it yourself.

00:12:27.000 Now, these are big things, obviously.

00:12:28.720 You see, we've only got 50 minutes.

00:12:30.600 We could talk for just days because it's – I can start to see things

00:12:36.560 radically connected, in my head anyway, from the information I've done.

00:12:39.860 You can see how PC and all this stuff, this divide and conquer.

00:12:46.240 That's why I don't like feminism because that's the big one 1.00

00:12:48.100 between men and women.

00:12:51.040 Like me and Reggie Hunter did a gig the other night at a university

00:12:53.240 and he actually said in one of his jokes, he asked,

00:12:55.400 how many girls in here, women in here, feel that not only do they sometimes 1.00

00:13:00.000 be upset with men but feel like they hate like all men? 0.99

00:13:03.680 Every fucking girl put her hand up. 1.00

00:13:05.920 Wow. 1.00

00:13:07.480 Every girl in the gig put her hand up.

00:13:09.140 Every girl.

00:13:09.860 I was on the balcony watching.

00:13:11.760 So to me it was like watching a puppet show.

00:13:14.440 I can see the propaganda, how it's gone in.

00:13:19.440 There you go, girls. 0.98

00:13:20.240 Do you hate all men?

00:13:20.940 Yeah.

00:13:22.480 They just, yeah.

00:13:24.460 They're like 18 years old.

00:13:25.660 What are they?

00:13:25.920 Are they feminists? 1.00

00:13:26.540 Do they know that much?

00:13:27.220 What do they know?

00:13:27.560 What do they know? 0.99

00:13:29.260 But yeah, yeah, I hate all men. 0.99

00:13:30.460 Why? 0.99

00:13:30.800 What, your dad?

00:13:32.380 Your uncle?

00:13:33.940 Your brothers?

00:13:34.960 Maybe their uncle.

00:13:38.340 But don't you think as well?

00:13:39.540 So we've got feminism, but we also have identity politics as well.

00:13:43.660 We've got the lot.

00:13:46.240 We've got the sexual thing, haven't we?

00:13:47.960 Like there's 50 million genders. 0.96

00:13:50.960 Which how do you even have a discussion?

00:13:52.460 If you can't have a basic consensus of an objective reality,

00:13:56.620 how do you psychologically map a conversation?

00:14:00.360 Right.

00:14:00.940 In a civilised sense.

00:14:02.220 How do me and you have a discussion about biological sex if you go, 0.99

00:14:05.800 oh, no, but there's 88 different genders? 0.99

00:14:10.200 Well, how many can there be?

00:14:11.740 Well, into infinitum.

00:14:14.480 I just make up another one.

00:14:16.240 So there's no, why?

00:14:17.660 Because isn't it like this, is it this, what do they call it,

00:14:21.440 this post-modernist thought?

00:14:23.100 Yeah.

00:14:23.480 Yeah.

00:14:24.380 It's sort of it's just in my head so it's a reality in there

00:14:26.980 and if that's the basis, I'm sure someone will be in a comment section

00:14:29.400 going he doesn't understand post-modernism.

00:14:31.080 You're right, I don't understand all its complexities,

00:14:32.640 but that seems to be the general thing of like, well, you know.

00:14:36.440 There's no truth, there's subjectivity and interpretation.

00:14:39.440 Yeah.

00:14:39.780 And if my lived experience is that you're a woman, 0.56

00:14:42.880 then that's my lived experience and I get to say that.

00:14:45.280 Yeah.

00:14:45.640 Right, that's it.

00:14:46.800 Yeah.

00:14:47.100 It's all a bit...

00:14:49.100 But you...

00:14:49.840 It's like almost like, as I said, that guy who when he walks up

00:14:53.140 to some girl in the university and says, you know,

00:14:54.960 so what if I identify as a 65-year-old Chinese woman?

00:14:58.760 And she just goes, well, as long as you're not hurting anybody,

00:15:01.440 you don't see what the problem is.

00:15:02.780 And I'm like, well, there's a big problem here.

00:15:03.960 He's not a 65-year-old Chinese woman.

00:15:05.460 See, this is not open-mindedness.

00:15:10.720 This is insanity, right?

00:15:12.320 It doesn't matter what he does, he's not going to become a 65-year-old.

00:15:16.780 He's a six-foot-two white American guy.

00:15:20.240 This is all getting very transphobic, Steve.

00:15:23.480 I've got to tell you, mate, this is getting very, very popular.

00:15:26.440 I don't even know what that means.

00:15:28.560 To me, you know what transphobic means to me?

00:15:30.280 I don't agree with your narrative.

00:15:33.380 This is what racist means.

00:15:34.760 You don't agree with me?

00:15:35.700 No. 0.98

00:15:36.000 Well, you must be a racist. 0.99

00:15:37.360 You don't agree with gay marriage? 0.99

00:15:40.160 No. 0.99

00:15:40.420 Well, you must be a homophobe. 0.95

00:15:41.360 There could be no other. 0.97

00:15:42.260 Like they had a plebiscite in Australia to get the gay marriage free, 0.90

00:15:44.600 which I knew was already going to come through.

00:15:46.140 Why?

00:15:46.360 Because it's a globalist agenda.

00:15:48.140 To me, the plebiscite was an illusion to create the idea 0.77

00:15:51.400 that you're having a choice.

00:15:53.340 Plus, I think what it does is it gives these little lefties, 0.86

00:15:56.160 then they go, oh, yeah, look, we won, and then they get the illusion

00:15:59.020 they got some power.

00:16:00.320 When it was already a done deal.

00:16:01.660 Why?

00:16:01.840 Because they're going to move this stuff in to deconstruct your societies. 0.85

00:16:07.600 Also, you can deconstruct your own religion if you make, you know,

00:16:11.040 how can you be a Christian eventually if they go, well, 1.00

00:16:13.180 if you don't agree with everything homosexuality stands for, 0.99

00:16:15.600 then therefore you must be a homophobe and a bigot. 0.99

00:16:19.180 So that means, well, you really can't be a Christian anymore. 0.99

00:16:23.860 So we'll just get rid of your Christianity. 1.00

00:16:25.960 And all the atheists will go, isn't that great because they did this? 0.98

00:16:28.280 Well, you'll find out, won't you?

00:16:32.620 And it's a great point because we now feel that we've moved

00:16:36.460 beyond religion, don't we?

00:16:38.040 We feel that we don't need religion anymore,

00:16:40.000 that we've sort of evolved past it.

00:16:42.720 Doesn't it mean that we're more divided than ever?

00:16:44.600 I think it means we're arrogant.

00:16:47.840 Now, of course, there's different words.

00:16:49.360 Now comes religion, of course, that can be construed in many ways,

00:16:52.640 I think, through my interpretation.

00:16:54.540 Do I think the Catholic Church is involved in serious globalist

00:16:57.860 conspiracy theory stuff?

00:16:59.840 Yeah.

00:17:01.260 Do I think that religion got to be fundamentalist and theistic 0.88

00:17:04.900 and learn how to dominate people by telling them they'll go to hell 0.99

00:17:08.180 and that they're filthy? 0.99

00:17:09.160 This virus is almost like religious, isn't it? 0.99

00:17:12.220 Like you're born a sinner, like you carry this filth in you. 1.00

00:17:17.020 This is what the virus is like. 0.99

00:17:18.060 That's what you're like.

00:17:18.720 Have you got it?

00:17:20.300 I love the way he's looking at you.

00:17:22.520 Oh, he's just got a broken rib.

00:17:25.640 You know what I mean?

00:17:27.000 And that's almost like PC.

00:17:28.720 It's like puritism. 0.92

00:17:30.260 Puritanism, how do you say that word?

00:17:31.880 Puritanism.

00:17:32.620 Puritanism, right?

00:17:33.380 It's like, see, I wasn't educated.

00:17:35.540 It's like Puritanism, yeah? 0.96

00:17:36.760 If you don't agree with the narratives, then we'll just burn you. 0.93

00:17:42.320 But we burn you in different ways now, don't we? 0.85

00:17:44.800 We do it via social media.

00:17:46.380 I notice you're not on Twitter.

00:17:47.680 Is that a...

00:17:48.220 No, I don't.

00:17:49.480 I didn't even know.

00:17:50.300 I don't know how to attach something to an email.

00:17:53.100 I'm like, I literally, I don't like machines. 0.98

00:17:58.020 I just don't fucking like them. 0.96

00:18:00.980 They don't like me. 0.99

00:18:02.120 They know.

00:18:03.780 People go, it's very easy, Steve.

00:18:05.240 You just put this thing in and it comes up.

00:18:06.900 It's an app and it just comes up.

00:18:08.060 And I give you it.

00:18:08.520 And as soon as I put it in, it goes, no, wrong.

00:18:10.960 Okay, then they always go, I've never seen that before.

00:18:12.920 Yeah, that's because I'm doing it.

00:18:15.100 Maybe this is a bit neurotic, but computers have got it in for me.

00:18:20.220 i'm not saying the points that they're making don't need to be made i'm not saying that the

00:18:33.160 complaints are not are not just it's it's the execution of it yes it's all you think

00:18:39.960 constantin do you like music no well if you're not completely soulless like him and you do like

00:18:47.980 music may i recommend the plant society band they've got a lovely soulful chilled out flavor

00:18:53.880 to their music and you can find them anywhere that you normally get your music

00:19:17.980 That's right. Just look for the Plant Society Band on YouTube, Instagram, Spotify, and everywhere else on social media.

00:19:33.140 Steve, let's come back to comedy a little bit, because that video of yours, which is a brilliant, brilliant bit of stand-up, just incredible.

00:19:39.460 I remember watching it before I became a comedian, just thinking, this is incredible. Really great stuff.

00:19:44.500 And you did it in 2009.

00:19:46.140 You talked about the culture of offence a little bit.

00:19:48.100 You did it on a mainstream TV show.

00:19:50.860 Do you think you could still do that routine now on TV?

00:19:53.480 No, probably not.

00:19:55.140 I think at the end, see, people used to often wonder,

00:19:58.240 how do you say these things on mainstream, you know?

00:20:02.380 Because I know that some young comics,

00:20:03.680 when they know a guy that's apparently controversial,

00:20:05.660 that some of them, they'd like to be like that.

00:20:08.400 But some of them make the mistake of thinking that,

00:20:10.220 oh, I'll be radical and offensive.

00:20:12.020 No, no, no, that's not the point, right?

00:20:14.060 I think I say things that I just want to say because I'm probably coming up

00:20:20.580 in that underground thrash metal world where I just always considered,

00:20:25.120 well, you just do what you want.

00:20:27.620 So you want to put an album out that's called, you know,

00:20:29.740 Satan's Soldiers and the songs are all violent and satanic and, yeah, okay.

00:20:38.440 So I didn't, I've never thought, from my perspective, just,

00:20:41.780 well, you write a song about the devil and sing some songs if you want.

00:20:44.000 don't you have some gore on the cover oh I don't care so it kind of worked for me I just go I'll

00:20:52.220 just do what I want so I didn't even sometimes know you could not say that on that can't you

00:20:58.120 I'm sure they'll tell me if I can now I'm sure they'll tell me yeah so that's what I was getting

00:21:04.660 at is do you think your attitude which I always thought was the comedian's attitude you know I

00:21:10.380 got into comedy because i was watching bill hicks george carlin people like you and i was going wow

00:21:15.240 these people are actually saying something right and they're making it funny which is the important

00:21:19.060 bit of course it is but there's there's there's more to it than just hey i'm fat or whatever you

00:21:23.760 know what i mean that never really not that that's bad but it never appealed to me uh but but that's

00:21:29.380 why i got into it and i guess what i'm asking is do you feel that the comedy landscape has changed

00:21:35.700 since even 10 years ago?

00:21:38.000 Well, I've spent five years dealing with having a breakdown,

00:21:40.980 which was a nightmare, but it came in handy.

00:21:45.800 It does, you know.

00:21:48.780 So I was touring for five years before then sort of with Reg

00:21:52.640 and also just my own show, so I haven't been in clubs

00:21:55.040 for like a decade.

00:21:55.960 Right, right.

00:21:57.260 I've done a couple since I got back, so I don't know.

00:21:59.640 So obviously there'll be a whole group of people in there,

00:22:01.980 one who've never seen me, who have come out of university

00:22:04.520 and gotten older.

00:22:05.200 When I think about it, you know, some of these people were 12

00:22:07.300 when I had a breakdown.

00:22:08.280 They're 20 now.

00:22:09.900 So they could be in a club.

00:22:11.400 Yeah.

00:22:12.340 And so I don't really know how much it's changed.

00:22:15.000 I'm sure it has to a degree because, you know, you could have –

00:22:19.120 when I used to come up, the clubs would stand by the act no matter what.

00:22:25.140 Jonglers could be a bit more mainstream-y in the 2000s.

00:22:29.120 You know, maybe you could – I think I told an audience 0.99

00:22:31.680 in Birmingham Jonglers to go fuck themselves once 1.00

00:22:34.180 that morning. 1.00

00:22:35.860 The rest of your gigs have been cancelled this week.

00:22:39.020 Yeah, you're like, but usually clubs would, you know,

00:22:42.660 if someone goes, oh, I want to complain about the comedian,

00:22:44.680 the clubs would go, it's a comedy club, mate.

00:22:49.940 Not like that, no, man.

00:22:51.760 Now there, now there.

00:22:53.640 And then you see the way comedy has gone in the mainstream

00:22:56.820 and it tends to fall off the good of his face.

00:23:00.300 Well, you know, I haven't watched it but I've got a feeling if I did,

00:23:03.320 Yeah.

00:23:04.180 Because I've got a feeling that there will be like some 18-year-olds

00:23:08.080 who I'd never heard of going, where's this guy or girl come from?

00:23:11.880 Like everything will be nice and is anything – I mean,

00:23:18.800 at least in England they're very – it's a great comedy country

00:23:21.320 so you may still get some guy who's eclectic and eccentric.

00:23:24.360 Yeah.

00:23:25.860 But I can imagine they're all pretty – well,

00:23:30.280 someone in Melbourne started a safe space comedy room

00:23:34.000 and you'd have to give them your stuff first so they could go,

00:23:39.200 oh, can you come in and do the act?

00:23:44.260 So they're vetting your material before you go in.

00:23:46.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:46.900 Right.

00:23:47.660 And is this place popular?

00:23:49.000 I doubt it.

00:23:52.020 I mean, PC comedy is hilarious, isn't it?

00:23:56.020 I mean, it's like sexless porn or something, isn't it?

00:24:00.280 But, Steve, I mean, look, we talk about it.

00:24:05.920 Why do you think it's important that we don't police comedy

00:24:11.100 and you don't hand in your jokes?

00:24:13.260 Well, like you were just saying, I wasn't a young guy

00:24:16.840 who got into comedy.

00:24:17.840 I wanted to be in bands for years.

00:24:20.200 In hindsight, I realised that we liked comedy.

00:24:22.280 We used to, especially in the 80s, we were still listening

00:24:24.560 to a lot of thrash metal.

00:24:26.420 But we'd also, in the mid-80s,

00:24:29.960 sometimes we'd listen to Slayer and Exodus and Megadeth,

00:24:33.680 but then we'd listen to Bill Cosby records.

00:24:36.700 So we kind of always liked that thing.

00:24:38.580 And in the 80s we watched a lot of that Eddie Murphy, Raw, Delirious,

00:24:43.580 those two.

00:24:44.320 Yeah, those two, the two big specials.

00:24:46.320 Richard Pryor on Sunset Strip, is it?

00:24:48.740 Live at the Sunset Strip.

00:24:50.180 One of the best ones.

00:24:51.780 And Steve Martin at that Hollywood Bowl.

00:24:55.960 We just had those VHSs.

00:24:56.960 VHSs, so we had this mixture of thrash metal and these three guys

00:25:00.280 that we just used to watch continually.

00:25:02.440 But also I used to listen to Jello Biafra and Henry Rowlands,

00:25:07.740 which my punk mates introduced me to, which is the first time I'd ever

00:25:10.360 heard a spoken word.

00:25:11.900 And I liked that.

00:25:13.060 Like, all these guys get up there and just rant, you know.

00:25:15.720 And I did like, I always like comedy that's got, and music that's got

00:25:19.640 something to say.

00:25:21.480 Right.

00:25:22.040 I like that.

00:25:23.080 Some of the artists I like.

00:25:24.200 I listen to Kate Bush or Peter Gabriel or something that's got –

00:25:29.160 I notice a lot of the artists I listen to,

00:25:30.440 it's usually an expression of the person.

00:25:33.820 So it's – people go, how do you get into all this different music?

00:25:39.480 To me Slayer and Kate Bush is the same thing

00:25:41.460 because they just do what they want.

00:25:44.240 There's no fakeness here.

00:25:47.000 This is death metal and this is Kate Bush,

00:25:48.860 but they both go, well, this is what we do.

00:25:50.520 There was no strategy to make you like me and dress up in a way.

00:25:55.040 And so comedy, getting back to that, I always liked the comedy too

00:26:00.420 that had, there was a realness.

00:26:02.300 I liked Billy Connolly.

00:26:03.160 He had a realness.

00:26:04.320 It was him.

00:26:05.460 I liked the Eddie, they weren't all political, the Richard Price and that,

00:26:09.620 but it was real.

00:26:10.820 Right.

00:26:11.280 This guy would tell you, I took too much meth and set myself on fire

00:26:15.360 and I'm getting divorced and he'd tell you about his mess and his life 0.99

00:26:19.140 You know, he had balls, you know. 0.96

00:26:20.840 And then when I saw Bill Hicks, that was the first time that I'd, 0.97

00:26:24.340 that was like watching this kind of cross-spoken word from the punk stuff

00:26:29.300 mixed with jokes as good as Richard Pryor.

00:26:32.700 That was like heaven for me.

00:26:33.720 Oh, look at this.

00:26:34.180 This is like this merging of these two worlds.

00:26:38.140 So, yeah, I always liked that kind of comedy.

00:26:39.780 I like comedy.

00:26:40.560 I don't think all comedy has to be political or for want of a better word,

00:26:45.580 but you know what I mean?

00:26:47.680 I like Michael McIntyre.

00:26:49.140 comedy, which many people would go, how do you like Michael Mac?

00:26:51.460 Well, he's funny, mate.

00:26:52.680 He's very good at what he does. 0.99

00:26:53.700 He's fucking great. 0.99

00:26:56.240 Like, yeah, and you can do it, you know, 1.00

00:26:58.960 he gets 20 minutes out of the kitchen drawer and he doesn't say fuck once 0.99

00:27:03.020 and I can't do that. 0.99

00:27:05.720 And he has people dying with laughter.

00:27:07.420 And I watched him when he first started in the clubs, you know, 0.99

00:27:10.140 and he was kicking ass. 0.97

00:27:12.480 And so some comedy is just good. 0.98

00:27:14.680 You know, that guy can make just, you know, going on a tube funny.

00:27:18.140 I can't do that.

00:27:19.140 I wish I could.

00:27:22.180 You know, I've got a drawer with sticky tape and scissors in it,

00:27:24.760 but when I look in it, I go, how did Michael get 20 minutes

00:27:31.280 out of this?

00:27:32.800 So, you know, and some comedy is more eccentric and especially

00:27:37.020 in England they're very good at it.

00:27:38.080 I forget the words sometimes, like Milton Jones or something.

00:27:41.160 Yeah, surreal.

00:27:42.100 Surreal, kind of twisted stuff.

00:27:44.500 Mitch Hedberg was good at that kind of stuff.

00:27:46.320 You know, I like it when it's weird.

00:27:48.360 Like they had Woody Allen's early stuff.

00:27:50.600 I was inspired by the creativity of the joke structures, you know,

00:27:55.280 how much fat he would cut off a joke and it would just be this small package

00:28:01.720 of words that would bite, especially biting towards himself

00:28:06.400 but also great gags.

00:28:08.040 But I don't like comedy that's, yeah, well,

00:28:17.400 I don't like mainstream things that are made to accommodate a safe.

00:28:23.220 I understand if you're going to do a gig at the nursing home at midday,

00:28:26.900 you don't come out with your, you might accommodate the crowd, right?

00:28:32.760 But generally, I don't like things that are made to fit in so that it'll be accepted and nice.

00:28:40.360 I'd rather have something that's got to have someone go, 0.97

00:28:43.840 fucking hell, what's this going on? What's going on over here? 0.99

00:28:47.220 It's more exciting.

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00:29:55.860 and have you seen a decrease in that type of spirit well as i said i don't know particularly

00:30:03.540 i couldn't make a decision on that sense because as i said i went back to australia and had decided

00:30:08.180 to have a breakdown for five years which was intense so i was kind of out which was which

00:30:14.480 was a profound thing i could almost look at this this whole thing that's going on with this

00:30:18.700 I don't even I don't even say the word COVID I hate the word but I can almost see it like that

00:30:27.780 in in one sense it's like see now we get like we were talking about the other day see see in me

00:30:35.840 having a breakdown I knew for years that that what I had stuff to deal with usually if you're

00:30:41.740 an artist you've got some stuff to deal with but it's it's kind of a springboard isn't it for the

00:30:46.500 work because the neurosis and the pain gives you this kind of,

00:30:51.620 like John Cleese said, I didn't want to go to therapy

00:30:53.360 because I'm not funny.

00:30:56.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:57.960 So it gives you that kind of springboard for music

00:31:00.760 or there's this inner turmoil and stuff.

00:31:03.140 But it has to be dealt with eventually, you know.

00:31:06.640 And usually if you've got something like that

00:31:08.120 and I've got a driven personality, you know,

00:31:10.120 I never stopped working, you know, never.

00:31:11.640 Not that I'm a – I had a job I liked. 0.99

00:31:17.580 I don't mean I wouldn't stop working if I had a shit job. 0.96

00:31:21.140 But, you know, I didn't stop touring for five years. 0.99

00:31:22.940 I was on the English comedy circuit for ten years and I did five years

00:31:25.440 of touring nonstop and it just, you know, after – and I'm hitting me

00:31:28.820 from the 40s and then when you've – you know, I was never a big drinker.

00:31:32.980 I never took tons of drugs.

00:31:34.400 I was never a drug addict.

00:31:35.200 But, you know, I've drunk and I've taken drugs and, you know,

00:31:37.800 and then you're not sleeping.

00:31:39.940 I've been sleeping at night for 30 years.

00:31:41.720 I was in bands and once this Chinese woman gave me a message 0.66

00:31:44.540 and she just goes, you're sleeping daytime.

00:31:48.900 I go, how do you know?

00:31:49.500 She goes, I can tell, not good.

00:31:54.700 And so then, you know, you're eating in service stations.

00:31:57.320 So, you know, I was 20 gigs away from taking a year off

00:31:59.460 and maybe get my then girlfriend and move him to Australia for a year

00:32:01.800 and like 20 gigs and what's the end?

00:32:03.140 I just bang, adrenal fatigue, gut problems, you know,

00:32:06.680 you blow out the neurotransmitters with the cortisol and the adrenals,

00:32:09.920 with the no sleep, with the 46, with the unprocessed trauma, bang.

00:32:15.520 Have a mental breakdown, which takes you into deep, deep, deep depression,

00:32:19.860 you know, which took me into a world which I'd rallied against

00:32:22.380 and never wanted to go in, which was the antidepressant world,

00:32:26.840 which is another world I went into, which got out of,

00:32:30.280 because I know no way I'm staying on their drugs.

00:32:33.580 I mean, I'd taken illegal drugs throughout my life,

00:32:35.380 But I've never been addicted to it.

00:32:36.520 When the doctor said, why don't you take antidepressants,

00:32:38.240 I said, I don't want to take these.

00:32:39.060 He goes, but you're taking illegal drugs.

00:32:40.400 I went, yeah, but not every day.

00:32:42.020 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:50.060 Admittedly, there was the odd Tuesday I did some lines, right?

00:32:52.480 But really, you know, Friday, Saturday, if it was rabid, you know,

00:32:56.720 I'm not Wednesday, let's get some Coke, you know, like even drinking.

00:33:00.540 I don't really drink and weed, you know, I've smoked some pot.

00:33:04.400 But you realise, you know, it all just started to –

00:33:10.000 and then what do they say if you're looking at even in a simplistic

00:33:12.200 version of this in that Jungian sense, which is now you can get

00:33:15.300 this information.

00:33:16.200 If you listen to Peterson, Jordan Peterson, he'll tell you about it.

00:33:19.200 He likes to go into that Jung shadow work, right? 1.00

00:33:22.420 And if you listen to a guy called Gabor Marte, you know,

00:33:24.520 Gabor Marte is a Canadian – he's a psychological guy.

00:33:28.080 He dealt with a lot of people on drugs and he used to use ayahuasca

00:33:31.760 and stuff in Canada until they sort of stopped him using it.

00:33:36.180 He's a Hungarian guy who escaped to Canada when he was a kid,

00:33:41.020 but he's a very interesting guy.

00:33:43.920 Most drug addictions, they tell you, is trauma.

00:33:45.880 It's all unprocessed trauma.

00:33:46.780 What's going on with your health, your illness?

00:33:49.300 You've got to deal with the shadow work, you know.

00:33:51.180 Like Jungians tell you, you've got to walk, even in the Bible, 1.00

00:33:54.560 isn't it, you've got to walk through the valley of the shadow of death,

00:33:56.740 fear no evil?

00:33:57.560 I think, what is that?

00:33:58.560 Well, that's you, mate.

00:34:00.300 You've got to face yourself.

00:34:02.560 You've got to face yourself.

00:34:03.540 Otherwise, you keep going, well, I'm a victim.

00:34:06.440 They do this to me.

00:34:08.060 There's never, but what if things that are manifesting in your life

00:34:10.720 are because of you? 0.99

00:34:13.460 That's exactly the, how much of this victimhood shit do you think 1.00

00:34:17.700 is people projecting their shit onto the world? 0.99

00:34:20.800 Well, I think the victimhood, I think whoever this, I don't use the word elite, 0.99

00:34:25.680 whatever's going on this system in the world, I believe they've used things

00:34:29.420 like PC and all these minority separations and to create exactly that, 0.98

00:34:35.220 that victim mentality, right, which is a back foot mentality. 0.61

00:34:39.800 It's like, oh, look, I'm a victim of circumstance, you know.

00:34:44.560 Some circumstances are harder than others, of course.

00:34:46.860 And I'm not saying that any of this stuff is easy

00:34:48.800 and you could kill yourself doing it.

00:34:52.340 We're not recommending that, by the way. 0.95

00:34:53.880 I mean, you might not handle it. 0.59

00:34:55.140 Depression will make you kill yourself.

00:34:56.480 It's brutal.

00:34:57.760 Brutal depression is, I mean, I've been there. 0.99

00:35:00.960 You know, it's fucking brutal. 0.97

00:35:04.060 And it's a strange one again because you can't work out a comparison. 0.99

00:35:09.560 Someone else goes, yeah, I've had the same thing.

00:35:11.020 We don't know.

00:35:12.880 Because some people have a generally happy life and then they get a bit sad.

00:35:15.720 They think they're depressed because they're not used to being a bit sad.

00:35:18.220 But I grew up pretty sad my whole life.

00:35:20.320 So being sort of just sort of miserable wasn't really a problem.

00:35:23.220 But when I got depression, then I realised, phew,

00:35:25.800 this ain't the same thing.

00:35:27.040 This is hardcore.

00:35:28.840 And so then they will tell you this.

00:35:30.340 So what's going on in the world at the moment?

00:35:31.640 So what if what's going on in the world at the moment, you've got,

00:35:35.200 now this is radicals and stuff, I guess, but what if that great trauma,

00:35:39.980 what if we have a collective trauma within the collective conscious,

00:35:43.580 subconscious?

00:35:44.800 After 2,000 years of wars and slaveries and colonialism and separation

00:35:50.380 and just being on the planet, right?

00:35:52.760 And so what if there is this great trauma?

00:35:54.240 What if that trauma, like, which is also part of the earth,

00:35:57.080 which we're connected to, which we're not even connected to,

00:35:59.080 we are of, is coming up?

00:36:03.720 What if it's time to face this collective shadow?

00:36:07.800 And so in almost one sense, what's happening in the world

00:36:10.360 with this virus and this thing, we'll crush economies,

00:36:13.260 we'll do all this, what if they're the manifestation

00:36:16.140 of our unprocessed trauma?

00:36:20.120 So almost like we don't, we could almost thank these people

00:36:24.620 this cabal, for what?

00:36:26.160 For showing us how to wake up.

00:36:29.360 Why?

00:36:29.920 Because most people don't wake up until they've got a boot on their neck.

00:36:33.780 Simple way to describe it, isn't it?

00:36:35.600 If you hate the dentist because it's so scary and horrible,

00:36:39.940 but once the pain of that toothache overrides the fear,

00:36:44.460 you can't get to that dentist quick enough.

00:36:47.680 Why?

00:36:48.240 Because the fear has now been driven out by the pain.

00:36:51.440 And a lot of people wake up like that.

00:36:53.080 How?

00:36:53.260 because the fear, the whatnot, the fear of my business,

00:36:58.620 my country collapsing, right, but eventually or even the fear

00:37:02.280 of I'm getting a virus, that would be the one now.

00:37:04.540 But that will soon go away if there's a UN corporate thug

00:37:09.920 who's busted into your house and is taking your kids away

00:37:15.360 and you've got his boot on your neck.

00:37:17.140 Now you believe in conspiracy theories.

00:37:19.340 Oh, no, yeah, no, maybe it's not.

00:37:21.080 so the pain will wake you up won't it because because go on man crack a gag it's a good time

00:37:31.940 yeah crack a gag at the jack boot on someone's throat but so you think it's where what we're

00:37:39.680 doing is we're sort of awakening almost and do you think a lot of people are sleepwalking through

00:37:44.660 their life yeah well i was i don't blame anyone for that i think you know we're involved we grew

00:37:50.420 up as a TV generation, didn't we? Anyone from the sort of 50s, 60s and up to now, you know,

00:37:55.260 if people go, oh, you think I'm brainwashed. But we're all brainwashed. Who had, why do

00:38:00.440 you think you're so special? Didn't you grow up watching TV, listening to them, what they're

00:38:04.500 telling you is, what to believe in. Religion told you what to believe in. The news told

00:38:08.520 you what to believe in. Entertainment told you what to believe in. Sport told you what

00:38:12.060 to believe in. You've got all these movies told you. Like me and you were discussing,

00:38:15.880 if most people think about the people that live in the southern states of America, I'll

00:38:19.640 to start going, you know, little rednecks and talk like that 1.00

00:38:23.280 and squeal like a pig boy and you're like, where'd you get that idea? 0.98

00:38:26.520 Films. 0.66

00:38:27.340 Right.

00:38:28.140 Have you been there?

00:38:28.880 No.

00:38:29.220 Have you met them?

00:38:29.800 No.

00:38:30.280 They're probably the most American, polite, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am,

00:38:35.120 most certainly, yeah. 1.00

00:38:37.000 Oh, no, they all hate black people. 1.00

00:38:38.420 Do they? 0.99

00:38:41.420 They've been living with black people for 400 years,

00:38:44.180 not like the northern states.

00:38:47.200 So, you know, who's more used to it?

00:38:48.780 So where do you get these beliefs from?

00:38:51.460 Do you have, you know, of course films have an effect.

00:38:54.800 Why wouldn't films be used for propaganda?

00:38:58.820 They know it works.

00:38:59.740 That's what advertising is, isn't it?

00:39:01.800 Mix sex up with things that hit you subconsciously and then, well,

00:39:05.100 I'll buy that.

00:39:06.820 Well, they know it works because they do it to you.

00:39:08.720 So why wouldn't they use films?

00:39:09.900 If you've got to, you know, if you want to psychologically control people

00:39:17.740 and you've got access to motion pictures, it does make sense.

00:39:29.080 And then if you go back and you watch it and you watch all these films

00:39:31.320 and you go, yeah, and then you start asking who made them

00:39:33.280 and then you're allowed to talk about that.

00:39:34.780 And then, you know, and then we are where we are.

00:39:39.500 But do you blame young people for?

00:39:42.220 No, because I've come to a stage of going, what's the point in blame?

00:39:45.020 because I watched some young girl the other day,

00:39:51.740 my brother sent me a thing of some poor PC'd girl who's, you know, 1.00

00:39:56.080 got no shirt on and slut written on her or something 1.00

00:39:59.800 and Black Lives Matter written on her and some purple hair 1.00

00:40:02.840 and you're like, I just sat there and went, this, I feel,

00:40:05.540 no, I just feel sorry for this person because I don't know,

00:40:08.660 has she been brought up in a PC world?

00:40:11.180 Of course she has, right, to this system, this slow march

00:40:14.840 through the institutions, which I think even Douglas Murray mentioned

00:40:17.660 that, you know, it's come through here.

00:40:20.580 And did they pop her on psych drugs when she was three?

00:40:25.540 Because they brought that one up, didn't they?

00:40:27.120 Oh, they've all got ADD and ADHD and like here,

00:40:29.900 start giving your children psych drugs.

00:40:32.820 So what's the effect of these psych drugs on a three-year-old's head?

00:40:37.580 Well, maybe so now I can look at them and go, well,

00:40:40.280 this girl might be highly damaged from this system. 1.00

00:40:43.940 But also because I think they become so mental where they start going,

00:40:47.300 there's 900 genders and if you want to be a chick, you can. 1.00

00:40:49.760 Just, you know, put on a dress and call yourself Barbara. 0.98

00:40:51.940 It doesn't matter.

00:40:52.560 It's still reality.

00:40:53.760 I think eventually the silent majority will listen to these people 1.00

00:40:56.720 and go, these people are nuts. 0.98

00:40:58.580 And they'll start waking up because they go, what's going on with you? 0.98

00:41:02.600 There's a thousand genders in Avatar.

00:41:06.020 In one sense, I think maybe we can thank them.

00:41:08.660 Yeah.

00:41:10.280 Because they've suffered.

00:41:11.180 I think they have suffered to end up like this. 1.00

00:41:13.800 Like you're completely nuts. 0.99

00:41:15.760 What are you talking about? 0.99

00:41:18.040 Well, if you don't agree with this.

00:41:20.100 And you've seen some of them.

00:41:21.620 Yeah, people compile them in YouTube and make, you know,

00:41:24.560 what do they call them, snowflakes going berserk or something.

00:41:27.200 But some of them you're like, why are you throwing a bin through a window?

00:41:31.520 Because someone said something you don't like, man.

00:41:34.760 Like it's savage.

00:41:36.400 But, you know, as I said, maybe and there is spiritual sort of,

00:41:39.300 I don't know, laws, is that the right word?

00:41:41.180 But they actually, the deeper I get into it, where they go,

00:41:43.680 it's not your job to change anyone.

00:41:45.280 And it's almost like it's not your karma.

00:41:48.620 Someone else's karma, how they learn.

00:41:52.180 So don't you go in there and start telling them.

00:41:53.960 If they ask, tell them.

00:41:55.160 But if they don't, don't go in there and think you can tell everyone what to do

00:41:58.060 because it's not, maybe it's not their time yet.

00:42:02.880 Maybe they're playing another role.

00:42:04.240 I'm starting to learn that, you know, with our mind and our intellect

00:42:06.900 and my level of control.

00:42:08.440 I've started to realise I've got to let go of control of some things, I think.

00:42:12.120 Like I just made the film clip with my band, as I said,

00:42:15.080 myself and my friend, but our cameraman, he can't quite,

00:42:19.280 because he's had to go back to work during this lockdown stuff, right?

00:42:22.820 So he can't quite get the time to make, we want to make another clip,

00:42:25.960 but he's had to postpone because he's got to go into a normal job.

00:42:30.440 What was my point?

00:42:31.400 What was I talking about?

00:42:32.960 You're talking about letting go of control.

00:42:35.960 You let it go and forgot.

00:42:37.080 Now, there's a part of me that I know that could even within my unconscious

00:42:40.740 because I've looked at myself a lot, that could almost take that as,

00:42:46.880 well, who does he think he is?

00:42:47.960 He said he'd do it.

00:42:48.780 Why won't he do it now?

00:42:50.060 Why won't he do it?

00:42:50.540 And then there's a part of me thinking, well,

00:42:51.440 maybe I'll just get someone else to do it, right?

00:42:52.960 I could drive up all these things and I think,

00:42:54.420 why don't you just let go?

00:42:58.540 Just go, okay.

00:43:00.580 I can't do it for another three weeks.

00:43:01.760 Okay.

00:43:02.340 Because it'd be a part of me, the way I operate,

00:43:04.040 it would start going, well, I'll get someone else to do it. 0.97

00:43:05.660 I thought, why don't I just for once go, okay, and see what happens?

00:43:11.380 Because I don't know what's going to happen.

00:43:14.520 He might suddenly go, that job's been cancelled.

00:43:16.460 I've got a whole week free.

00:43:17.200 Do you want to do it straight in two days?

00:43:18.380 I don't know what's going to happen.

00:43:19.400 But if I work myself up through, well, I'll try and control it.

00:43:23.520 So I thought, I'll just drop it all.

00:43:25.800 I'll just let it go and see where it takes me because I don't know.

00:43:30.820 My therapist said something which really I couldn't work out at first

00:43:34.860 And then I think he said whenever you're trying to do something,

00:43:37.720 he goes, have no desire for an outcome, which goes completely against

00:43:41.320 if you want to win an Olympic medal or become a weightlifter.

00:43:45.140 You go there, you've got an outcome, you've got a goal,

00:43:47.360 which I think in our society is something that's very,

00:43:50.680 we look at it, don't we?

00:43:51.660 And it makes sense to the mind, well, like that, so I'll do this.

00:43:55.600 And I understand it works.

00:43:57.080 If you want to get good at drums, well, hit them a lot

00:44:00.740 and eventually you'll be better than you are here.

00:44:03.500 in that linear thing.

00:44:07.580 But he said to me, he said, you know, have stuff you want,

00:44:11.540 he goes, but don't have any desire for the outcome.

00:44:17.180 He said, do the work but let go of control of any desire

00:44:21.100 for the outcome.

00:44:22.060 He goes, because you don't, he goes, this is what made me think,

00:44:24.720 he goes, when you do that, you now can put yourself

00:44:28.180 in the position of pure potential, which is beyond your control.

00:44:34.180 Not you trying to control the world.

00:44:36.380 Put yourself in pure potential where you let go.

00:44:39.880 If you're in religious, they might call it faith.

00:44:43.700 Let go.

00:44:45.500 You don't know everything.

00:44:47.140 Something may happen you don't know.

00:44:51.460 And maybe if you try and control it,

00:44:52.900 that thing that would have happened now won't.

00:44:58.780 It's a great point, but do you think we live in a society

00:45:01.140 where we're sort of taught to believe in control.

00:45:05.740 We have a five-year plan.

00:45:07.120 What do you want?

00:45:07.640 What's your ambition?

00:45:08.340 You go to university, you go do this, you do that, you do this.

00:45:12.660 We're taught to have control.

00:45:14.000 We're completely taught.

00:45:15.120 And some of it's, I think you have to learn to live in paradox.

00:45:18.400 I mean, some of it is, it's not like you just, I have no control.

00:45:21.880 I don't care about anything.

00:45:23.600 It's not that flamboyant a way to think.

00:45:28.100 Most definitely we live in a go, go, go, achieve,

00:45:33.060 I'm a winner kind of mentality, don't we, as a society.

00:45:36.700 We have that kind of, no one's kind of, yeah, man, just.

00:45:41.500 But, yeah, I think that stuff's coming to an end

00:45:45.200 because I think that there is an awakening.

00:45:48.180 I don't like that word particularly, but I think there's a,

00:45:52.620 because there's many different angles depending on how you could look

00:45:55.240 at this situation we're in at the moment.

00:45:57.240 There's the political ones, there's the conspiratorial ones,

00:46:00.120 but there's big spiritual ones of people I listen to who are like,

00:46:03.400 well, this is just happening like mystics have told you,

00:46:07.180 like Indigenous people told you. 0.96

00:46:09.960 Like it's just happening.

00:46:11.040 There's photon belts that are shifting.

00:46:12.840 You've gone from the age of Pisces into Aquarius.

00:46:17.920 You know, this is other realms that people are looking at

00:46:20.100 and what's going on on the planet.

00:46:21.440 You do have to shift.

00:46:22.640 You have to wake up because you've acquiesced over 2,000 years

00:46:26.820 to these systems, what, that came from Rome and everywhere else.

00:46:29.760 So you're responsible as well for what's going on.

00:46:31.940 Why?

00:46:32.140 Because you acquiesced.

00:46:34.440 You pay your tax.

00:46:35.960 You agreed to listen to all their stuff.

00:46:37.640 They tell you.

00:46:38.120 They tell you in the films, don't they?

00:46:39.780 They tell you all the time, look, here's a film, Robocop.

00:46:42.680 We told you in the 80s.

00:46:43.880 And you went, yeah, it's a film.

00:46:45.000 Well, we're going to bring them for you.

00:46:48.240 And we're getting you used to them.

00:46:50.380 Here they are.

00:46:51.580 And also what that then is that goes, well, we didn't lie to you. 1.00

00:46:54.980 In fact, you're so stupid. 1.00

00:46:56.200 but this is almost satanic. 1.00

00:46:57.160 We showed you and you didn't wake up.

00:47:00.560 Is it our fault?

00:47:02.900 See, that's satanic thinking.

00:47:04.040 That's predatory thinking. 0.68

00:47:05.400 That's how satanic thinks.

00:47:06.580 That's how Satanism will think in the level of, well,

00:47:09.760 Levain Satanism at least in the sense of, well, 1.00

00:47:12.060 if you're too stupid to understand that I'm psychologically 1.00

00:47:16.180 manipulating you, then that's nature. 1.00

00:47:20.140 Steve, it's an important point you made earlier as well,

00:47:22.360 which resonates with me, which is about the importance

00:47:25.160 of confronting the fact that you have that shadow,

00:47:29.540 that we all have a shadow, and recognising that

00:47:33.480 and not pretending, oh, I'm this perfect good person.

00:47:36.720 Because everyone nowadays runs around thinking they're a good person, right?

00:47:39.880 You tweet the right thing, you say the right thing,

00:47:42.320 you have the right opinions, you're on the right side of politics,

00:47:45.400 you criticise certain politicians.

00:47:46.520 You're on the right side of history.

00:47:47.780 You're on the right side of history, right?

00:47:49.760 That's the phrase they use, you're on the right side of history.

00:47:52.340 And you brought up Jordan Peterson, who I have mixed feelings about

00:47:55.780 on some things.

00:47:57.320 But I think he's right on this, which is if you don't recognise

00:48:00.420 your own imperfections, your own evil desires, your ability,

00:48:06.020 your capability of being evil, then you will find yourself running

00:48:09.640 around claiming to be a good person and doing a tremendous amount

00:48:12.800 of damage to the world.

00:48:13.180 This is your big time.

00:48:14.180 What's the old saying, isn't it?

00:48:15.780 All the road to hell are paved with good intentions.

00:48:18.220 That's an old one.

00:48:19.060 Right.

00:48:19.340 I didn't always understand always throughout my life.

00:48:21.800 Yeah.

00:48:22.700 But most definitely because also then you – and it's not easy.

00:48:28.580 I mean, my personality is – I mean, see, then we can look at it

00:48:31.620 from this perspective.

00:48:32.320 Then you get the, you know, non-dualism, you know, non-dualism.

00:48:36.100 Explain it.

00:48:36.720 Okay.

00:48:36.980 Well, that's when you're getting to sort of the enlightenment

00:48:39.640 within Buddhism, right?

00:48:42.640 Now, there's a guy, an English guy called Tony Parsons

00:48:44.600 who's a radical non-dualism.

00:48:46.340 He's even too full on for some non-dualists. 0.97

00:48:48.320 So what this is is in that sort of mysticism, Buddhist sense,

00:48:52.560 is that you're living in duality, right, like in the yin and yang,

00:48:59.580 black and white, right?

00:49:01.140 There's a mind and a personality in a subjective world and it lives in there

00:49:06.600 and it looks out at an objective world and thinks that things

00:49:10.140 in the objective world can come at the subjective world

00:49:14.500 and that these two things are separate.

00:49:15.860 They're telling you, no, well, they're not separate,

00:49:17.520 but they are dualistic.

00:49:21.720 So you have up, down, black, white, wet, dry, hot, cold, male, female. 0.92

00:49:26.940 You have these dualisms.

00:49:29.360 But the real reality is singular yet the dualism is part of the singular.

00:49:37.820 I'd love to see your comedy after all this.

00:49:39.680 It sounds like you've been on a journey, man.

00:49:41.980 Well, I used to think back then how could I get some of this stuff

00:49:44.800 into comedy without taking the piss out of it.

00:49:48.300 There's a certain part of me that doesn't like to take the piss

00:49:50.360 out of topics like.

00:49:53.980 That you care about.

00:49:54.880 Yeah.

00:49:55.380 Yeah, I get that.

00:49:56.080 Even though I can make comedy out of them.

00:49:57.880 Yeah.

00:49:58.240 But I've got to make sure that I'm not taking the piss out of them.

00:50:00.400 Right.

00:50:01.160 You're not going for the easy, cheap gag.

00:50:03.140 No, no, no.

00:50:03.680 If I want to discuss something like this, it's.

00:50:06.240 Yeah.

00:50:07.040 Well, there's an old saying with heavy metal, I go, you know,

00:50:09.920 well, people into heavy metal can laugh at heavy metal.

00:50:11.960 It's just that if you don't understand heavy metal,

00:50:13.820 we get upset if you laugh at it.

00:50:15.060 Right.

00:50:15.560 But we can laugh at it, right, because we know, you know,

00:50:17.640 because we also respect it, you know.

00:50:19.540 Yeah.

00:50:20.000 But that guy's dressed in a loincloth.

00:50:21.500 Yeah, but.

00:50:24.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:25.560 But it's kind of cool.

00:50:26.540 Yeah.

00:50:27.740 You've got another tradition of the loincloth. 0.90

00:50:29.640 We know it's ridiculous, but, you know. 0.75

00:50:30.460 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:32.080 But if you're just laughing at it and think it's stupid, 1.00

00:50:34.020 no, no, no, it's not as stupid as you think. 1.00

00:50:35.860 So are you going to, are you doing, 1.00

00:50:37.560 or are you going to be doing comedy about this sort of stuff,

00:50:40.280 spirituality, which is personal growth,

00:50:43.360 whatever you call it?

00:50:44.420 I don't know yet how to do it.

00:50:47.080 I'll do it if it comes.

00:50:49.440 Yeah.

00:50:50.280 So what are you talking about on stage now?

00:50:52.480 Well, the last show was very about sort of just PC and feminism,

00:50:56.360 especially feminism. 1.00

00:50:58.420 I don't agree with it.

00:51:00.820 Why don't you?

00:51:02.260 Because it's become too fundamentalist and radical.

00:51:04.840 Before back in the day, you know, it was fine, you know,

00:51:06.720 but now it's just too, now it's radical.

00:51:08.540 It's just too out of control.

00:51:09.460 It's man-hating.

00:51:10.160 I don't care what you say it is.

00:51:11.100 It just is.

00:51:13.360 Do I now have to go into a long-winded reason why I'm supposed to believe this

00:51:16.880 to make sure that I don't get bad comments or people try and...

00:51:19.360 I don't care anymore.

00:51:21.060 To be honest, man, on this show you probably get good comments.

00:51:23.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:24.480 So I don't care what they say anymore.

00:51:26.340 Loads of the women who watch our show are massively anti-feminism 1.00

00:51:29.580 because, as you say, it's become a completely different thing.

00:51:33.380 Second wave feminism was about making sure that women had the same rights as men, right? 1.00

00:51:37.800 And it seems like Douglas Murray says, who you watched on our show,

00:51:40.900 we got to the train station

00:51:42.660 and then we went

00:51:43.900 you know what 1.00

00:51:44.240 fuck it 1.00

00:51:44.700 and just 1.00

00:51:45.640 we keep going

00:51:46.480 yeah

00:51:46.840 last stop

00:51:49.520 not for us

00:51:50.300 yeah

00:51:52.780 mate we could talk

00:51:54.820 for hours like you say

00:51:55.780 but unfortunately

00:51:56.420 we're out of time

00:51:57.220 oh already

00:51:57.780 yeah absolutely

00:51:58.860 the time flies

00:51:59.840 we've got

00:52:00.620 we've got one more

00:52:01.600 question for you

00:52:02.180 which is

00:52:02.680 as always

00:52:04.060 what's the one thing

00:52:04.780 we're not talking about

00:52:05.760 but we really should be

00:52:06.820 I'm not talking about

00:52:08.660 what we really should be

00:52:09.420 how amazing

00:52:16.140 Kate Bush's drummer is

00:52:18.700 nah

00:52:20.820 but he is

00:52:21.700 that would have been

00:52:23.640 very on brand

00:52:24.340 Steve

00:52:24.660 I would be honest

00:52:25.240 that would have been

00:52:26.260 very on brand

00:52:26.980 that last question

00:52:27.860 on brand

00:52:28.380 yeah

00:52:28.780 as in it matches

00:52:29.860 who you are

00:52:30.820 otherwise

00:52:31.260 yeah

00:52:31.620 like your brand

00:52:33.160 like how people

00:52:34.120 would perceive you

00:52:34.960 it matches that

00:52:36.360 oh right

00:52:37.220 well it certainly does

00:52:38.600 Well done, mate.

00:52:40.940 Good one.

00:52:41.560 Well, why are we not talking about that should be talked about?

00:52:45.020 I wouldn't these days bother to tell anyone what they should think

00:52:49.600 or what they should do anymore.

00:52:52.140 All I would suggest, see, as I was going to say before,

00:52:54.780 things are very easy for me because I get a little more radical

00:52:56.820 than some people because of the – so people go,

00:52:59.620 do you watch the news?

00:53:00.260 No, I haven't watched the news about this coronavirus once.

00:53:03.600 The only time I've heard it was in the taxi coming here today

00:53:05.800 because the guy wouldn't turn it off.

00:53:07.580 And people go, why?

00:53:08.540 Because I'm not going to listen to liars. 0.99

00:53:10.060 They're liars. 0.97

00:53:11.560 They told you there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 0.96

00:53:13.480 They told you cigarettes were good for you in the 50s.

00:53:15.240 They told you this. 0.98

00:53:16.220 They're liars. 0.99

00:53:17.420 They're bought out. 0.99

00:53:18.280 They're corporatised.

00:53:18.980 I'm not going to listen to them.

00:53:20.220 They're good to watch if you want to see what your enemy's doing,

00:53:23.720 psychological strategies your enemy's doing.

00:53:26.280 But I'll let other people do that.

00:53:27.520 I'm not watching them because it's psychological warfare.

00:53:30.980 You know, when I watch the news, I just go, well, this is a cultic

00:53:33.860 and it's military-grade psychological warfare.

00:53:37.600 Even the simple things, you watch some guy comes on,

00:53:39.260 he says something that they want you to agree with

00:53:41.800 and it flashes back to the news girl and she's going like this as he speaks.

00:53:46.420 Most people wouldn't notice.

00:53:47.240 Well, what's she doing? 0.91

00:53:47.720 She's going, yes, see what he's saying?

00:53:49.840 What he's saying is true, isn't it?

00:53:52.100 So it's just there.

00:53:53.040 So that stuff.

00:53:53.820 And I think if you're one of these people that's still running around

00:53:56.280 calling everybody who doesn't believe in narratives a conspiracy theorist,

00:54:00.580 I think what we should be talking about is that you're,

00:54:03.960 see, I could get a little radical and say what you are is an enemy

00:54:07.040 of the people and you're colluding with the enemy.

00:54:14.580 And what we're not talking about is obviously just to just do some research

00:54:19.220 because we're not talking about it.

00:54:22.340 Because why?

00:54:22.720 Because now everything's just a right-wing conspiracy theory,

00:54:25.360 and at the mainstream, love to throw that out there.

00:54:27.160 So I think what we're not talking about is the fact that stop being a victim, 0.99

00:54:30.340 get off your own ass, do some research and have your journey be what it is. 0.99

00:54:36.240 I'm not going to tell you what to do. 1.00

00:54:37.360 Maybe you want to give it, maybe you're calmer to be

00:54:40.360 in a UN concentration camp.

00:54:42.160 I don't know.

00:54:44.120 And from that, super positive knock.

00:54:49.960 I don't think that's going to happen.

00:54:51.500 No.

00:54:52.620 Because I think, you know, the spirit is bigger, light is bigger.

00:55:00.240 See, this is death.

00:55:01.220 Where are we getting this system?

00:55:03.160 It's death.

00:55:03.980 It's on its last legs.

00:55:05.480 Why?

00:55:05.700 That's why it's doing this radical thing.

00:55:07.020 And it is death.

00:55:07.900 It doesn't exist.

00:55:08.680 That's why you have to sign a birth certificate and sign

00:55:10.520 and register everything and they create the fake you.

00:55:12.800 That's why you have a mortgage.

00:55:14.540 Mort.

00:55:15.620 Death. 0.88

00:55:17.160 You have a death loan, don't you?

00:55:19.140 He doesn't.

00:55:19.900 No.

00:55:20.160 He can't afford it.

00:55:20.620 Neither do I.

00:55:21.060 No.

00:55:21.580 Neither do I, thank God. 1.00

00:55:22.580 I'm fucked, aren't I? 1.00

00:55:23.840 Yeah, right, right. 1.00

00:55:24.780 Steve, we got her up on, man.

00:55:26.120 I'm sorry.

00:55:27.180 Don't stand up yet.

00:55:29.920 Thank you so much for coming on.

00:55:31.120 I hope this was interesting.

00:55:32.080 I know it was a little all over the shop.

00:55:33.680 No, it's great, man.

00:55:34.520 It's great.

00:55:34.900 We're not done yet, so don't do the off-camera part

00:55:37.040 before we've gone off-camera.

00:55:38.720 Where can people find your work?

00:55:40.840 You've obviously got a YouTube channel.

00:55:42.900 Yeah, I've got a YouTube channel now, yeah.

00:55:44.580 What is it?

00:55:45.700 I guess it's just called Steve Hughes.

00:55:48.080 All right.

00:55:48.900 Well, you can see Steve doesn't know what brand is

00:55:50.960 and he doesn't know what his own YouTube channel is.

00:55:53.140 He says, don't watch the news, watch Trigonometry

00:55:55.680 and watch Steve's YouTube channel.

00:55:57.760 So I've got a YouTube channel

00:55:58.780 and there's music, comedy on there.

00:56:01.160 Perfect.

00:56:02.340 There's Everson if you really want

00:56:03.760 on the internet now, isn't there?

00:56:04.820 There is.

00:56:05.400 But let's not go there.

00:56:06.700 No, let's not go there.

00:56:07.660 Anyway, Steve, thank you so much for coming on.

00:56:09.540 Thank you.

00:56:09.980 And we will see you guys very soon

00:56:11.980 with another brilliant episode like this.

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00:56:24.300 Take care and see you soon, guys.

00:56:27.660 We'll be right back.

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TRIGGERnometry - December 02, 2020

＂So What If You're Offended？ Nothing Happens＂ - Steve Hughes

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