TRIGGERnometry - Sydney Watson - The Men vs. Women Problem

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00:00:30.580 I dislike the Andrew Tates of the world and some of these red pill people who've come up in recent years.

00:00:36.440 Instead what happens is, well men have it really hard or women have it really hard, let's hate the opposite sex.

00:00:41.780 Also what these people are doing, some of the people that we're discussing, is they're monetising resentment.

00:00:47.480 Any ideology that wants to push men and women apart is cancer.

00:00:51.200 Half of the core pieces of advice that some of these people are giving, like for example, test your girlfriend, cheat on her.

00:00:56.540 In what world, in what world is that logical to anybody?

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00:02:27.160 Sydney, welcome to the show.

00:02:29.460 It's awesome to have you here.

00:02:30.580 Thanks for coming all the way over.

00:02:32.860 Before we get into the conversation, who are you?

00:02:35.060 How are you?

00:02:35.500 Where you are?

00:02:35.920 What has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

00:02:38.880 I never know how to answer that when people say broadly, like, give me your story.

00:02:42.360 The long and short of it is that I started off in the political realm in Australia.

00:02:47.080 I made a video back in 2018 that went viral.

00:02:49.300 And then very quickly got picked up by Sky News Australia, which you guys should be very familiar with Sky News because you have that in the UK, yeah.

00:02:57.700 And Sky News Australia is considerably more right-wing than maybe what you guys are used to.

00:03:02.680 Yes.

00:03:03.060 And that kind of just went from that point.

00:03:04.280 What was the video that went viral?

00:03:05.620 It was about how you can't compare American and Australian gun control laws or anything related to gun control in the two countries because they're so different.

00:03:15.520 Because people have this weird philosophy when it comes to gun control.

00:03:19.980 In the United States, when they're anti-gun control, they try to emulate Australia, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

00:03:25.300 So I wanted to point that out.

00:03:27.120 It angered Australians tremendously.

00:03:30.200 And so I got a ton of pushback and hate.

00:03:33.760 And it was really interesting because it was the first time I thought online vitriol maybe is not for me.

00:03:38.980 And then I kind of just went from there where I kept making content.

00:03:41.880 I kept growing.

00:03:42.520 I kept getting bigger.

00:03:43.300 And then I thought I need to do something more with this.

00:03:46.700 And so I moved to the US and then was in DC for a period, which is an awful place to live.

00:03:51.580 Have you guys visited DC?

00:03:52.420 We have a couple of times, yeah.

00:03:53.840 Yeah, I know what you mean.

00:03:57.060 It's interesting to visit, but I definitely would not want to live there.

00:04:00.720 Well, neither.

00:04:02.100 That's why I moved.

00:04:02.880 It was at the beginning of the pandemic.

00:04:05.580 I saw the writing on the wall and I was like, oh, God, they're not going to let us leave our homes or anything like that.

00:04:09.640 I'm not going to do this.

00:04:11.040 So then I moved to Texas and here I am still plodding along on the internet.

00:04:14.420 Lovely.

00:04:15.020 Yeah.

00:04:15.240 So you talk a lot about being conservative, being right wing.

00:04:19.480 But what I find very interesting, Sydney, is these words mean very different things in countries.

00:04:26.080 So what does it mean to be right wing or conservative in Australia as opposed to here?

00:04:30.960 It's actually, that is a very challenging question to answer as well, because I don't even think that Australians know what being right wing is.

00:04:39.520 Because I think that, again, everyone tries to hold it up to the American standard, which is this Christian, hyper-conservative, like small family units, nuclear family.

00:04:49.620 You know, you go to church on Sunday type of thing and you believe that it's sort of like God guns and, I don't know what the third thing would be, beer?

00:04:57.100 I don't know.

00:04:58.840 God guns and barbecue.

00:05:00.780 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:01.380 Now we've got the barbecue thing to unpack in Australia.

00:05:03.340 Oh, that's what we do.

00:05:04.260 That's the one.

00:05:04.720 We're about that.

00:05:06.920 But that is so hard to answer because, again, if I were to be speaking to a conservative Australian, we probably wouldn't align very much because they are very much, and Aussies will get so mad at me for saying this, they're very much about like Britain and the crown.

00:05:23.320 They're almost like monarchists in a way.

00:05:25.000 Whereas I think if you're just generally right wing in Australia, you're more pro small government, I guess, greater emphasis on freedom, but they're still nowhere near where Americans are at.

00:05:35.900 There's just a lot of different social things that Australians don't actually care about.

00:05:40.440 And do you find yourself aligning more with the American right?

00:05:43.620 Is that why you came to America?

00:05:45.020 Because you saw the values that the American right has and thought, well, these align more with my worldview, therefore I want to be here.

00:05:52.740 Yeah, to an extent, I think.

00:05:55.360 I mean, I grew up in a household with a mom who's from the U.S., and she grew up in this very strict Catholic household where there was 9 billion children.

00:06:06.260 And, you know, I guess my grandparents didn't have a tremendous amount of time for her.

00:06:09.320 And so she kind of wanted to give my brother and me the freedom that she never had growing up.

00:06:13.620 So while we had instilled in us the same value system that my mom had, which you could argue is more of like a, you know, Christian conservative value system, we still had my dad on the other side of things, who's not that.

00:06:26.780 He's like a country boy that's, you know, from rural WA, rural Western Australia, and just is kind of like, yeah, she'll be right.

00:06:33.020 And so when I moved to America, I felt like I fit in a lot, but I'm realizing I don't in a lot of ways because I'm an atheist, for example.

00:06:41.840 Like, that seems to be such a weird thing that some Americans have trouble wrapping their heads around because they think that if you don't follow their, you know, ideological value system, then you must be against them, which is really disappointing.

00:06:55.340 I really dislike that about living in the United States.

00:06:59.540 And not all Christians are like that.

00:07:00.920 Like, lots of them are so warm and loving.

00:07:02.780 Like, tomorrow I'm going to go to church with one of my girlfriends because she's like, as long as you're in town, we should go to church.

00:07:08.040 And I was like, okay, as long as they don't burst into play walking through the door.

00:07:11.840 So, yeah, no, there's things about living in America that have made the move easier, and that's why I did move, yes.

00:07:17.360 But then there's other things I've realized over time that I'm like, wow, nope, I'm definitely not a Yank.

00:07:22.880 That's so interesting.

00:07:23.720 I mean, one of the things I've noticed is you actually don't talk that much about politics nowadays.

00:07:28.140 You talk about societal issues and things to do, particularly with women, which I actually find very interesting.

00:07:34.020 You did a video about birth control, and I see a lot of people.

00:07:38.120 We've had Louise Perry on the show, Mary Harrington on the show.

00:07:42.120 And people are starting to, I think, recognize that the pill in particular is having and has had over a long period of time now very significant effects on society.

00:07:52.140 Can you talk to us about that?

00:07:54.300 So, for me personally, without getting into too much detail, I was on birth control for a very long time, for many, many, many years.

00:08:01.640 And when I was coming off of it, because there was no necessity in taking it, I thought, okay, this will be easy.

00:08:06.560 You just come off of it.

00:08:07.480 It's all straightforward, and you're done and dusted.

00:08:10.480 Lo and behold, it's not.

00:08:11.980 And it's not a simple, you just stop taking it one day and everything goes back to normal.

00:08:15.600 Your body has changed after being on it for so long.

00:08:19.420 And what I realized talking to other girlfriends of mine was that they also were experiencing these awful, awful side effects of being on birth control.

00:08:26.700 Sorry, Sydney.

00:08:28.900 When we talk about side effects, what are we talking about here?

00:08:31.280 So, for example, there's a myth that if you are taking birth control for your skin, for example, and you come off of birth control, your skin will continue to be fine.

00:08:39.860 For me and for many other women that I know, your skin goes crazy and it stays crazy.

00:08:45.000 Some women, it doesn't, and they go back to normal, so to speak.

00:08:48.260 For me, my skin has never been the same.

00:08:51.900 There's issues with libido that a lot of women face.

00:08:54.120 So they basically experience either a complete drop-off, where in a way, and I hate to use this terminology because I know that it's so steeped in leftism these days,

00:09:03.980 but they almost experience an asexualness where they're just totally disinterested.

00:09:08.480 And not for lack of wanting to be interested.

00:09:11.000 They want to be with their partners and they want to be invested in that, but they're just not.

00:09:15.440 And even I was researching recently because I thought, surely there's supplements and things that you can take to sort of circumvent and combat some of the effects in the body from taking the pill.

00:09:25.720 And even I was reading that there's a thing called the sex-binding hemoglobin that you have at a four times higher rate that's made in the liver when you stop taking birth control.

00:09:35.480 We have it at a higher rate than women who've never taken it.

00:09:38.140 And I thought, it's just, it's so sad to me that no one walks you through these things.

00:09:43.000 And so that's why I wanted to talk about the pill initially when I started making, well, I've made one video about it.

00:09:47.820 I have a couple others planned.

00:09:49.340 And it's because I feel like women aren't told from the outset what the negative side effects could potentially be.

00:09:55.100 I mean, it's sort of sold as this lifestyle drug.

00:09:57.480 Oh, you take it for your skin.

00:09:58.540 You take it because you might, you know, you might want bigger breasts or whatever the case is.

00:10:03.020 And I'm not sure how I feel about women doing it for, you know, purely aesthetic reasons.

00:10:07.400 But no one, no doctor that I've ever spoken to has been like, oh, yeah, it will totally mess with you.

00:10:14.740 And it changes things.

00:10:16.080 No one ever says that.

00:10:17.380 And I think we're just being so let down by society in this capacity.

00:10:21.100 It makes me really sad.

00:10:22.180 Well, Mary Harrington, I think, made the point that when we had her on the show that the main effect, the main sort of method of action of this birth control was that it made her not want to have sex.

00:10:32.180 Well, that's it.

00:10:32.680 It kills your libido.

00:10:33.780 It just destroys it.

00:10:34.880 And you go, so wait a minute, I'm taking this thing every day, this like big chunk of, you know, of hormones to stop me from getting pregnant so that I can have, you know, not casual sex, but, you know, freer sex, so to speak.

00:10:48.300 And yet I'm totally disinterested and I do not care about the opposite sex.

00:10:52.580 Because that's where you get to with it.

00:10:53.620 Your brain, it's like you look at men and you just think, I, like, I'm, you know, a straight heterosexual woman.

00:10:59.420 I love men.

00:10:59.920 I think they're wonderful.

00:11:00.740 But, you know, there was a period where I was like, I don't care if I ever interact with one physically ever again.

00:11:06.400 The pill made you a feminist, I think.

00:11:08.240 Yeah, that was it.

00:11:09.140 I was like, yeah, let's go in the armpit here.

00:11:11.880 It's grim, though.

00:11:12.780 It's so grim.

00:11:13.440 And then, you know, I think back to the doctor who prescribed this to me when I was 18, 17, 18.

00:11:18.580 And I think, could you just not have warned me just slightly?

00:11:21.580 You know, there's, I think doctors are letting people down quite a lot, especially female doctors.

00:11:26.200 They should know better.

00:11:27.120 Yeah.

00:11:27.820 It's a great point because we don't talk about the side effects of the pill.

00:11:32.260 No.

00:11:32.560 And it just seems that the moment a woman in the West reaches a certain age, that's seen as a de facto thing to do.

00:11:40.180 Yeah.

00:11:40.980 It's like the responsible thing, right?

00:11:42.620 And if you don't do it, if you don't participate in taking these hormones, then you're seen as sexually, what's the word?

00:11:50.260 Irresponsible.

00:11:50.660 Yeah.

00:11:51.400 And it's also is that people have underlying conditions that if they take the pill, that might mean that then they're more prone to getting cancer, for instance, et cetera, et cetera.

00:12:02.580 And because we don't know, certainly in the UK where we don't screen people properly, you know, you're just taking this thing without being aware that actually it could have some pretty dire side effects for you.

00:12:13.780 Yeah, definitely.

00:12:14.460 I mean, I don't judge women who take it for, like, say, polycystic ovary syndrome or for, you know, really, really, really heavy periods and things like that.

00:12:22.580 I think there are some women who do benefit from it whose systems were very out of whack from the outset.

00:12:28.020 And so having these hormones regulating whatever's going on, I mean, I can support that to a large extent.

00:12:35.000 What I think is sad about even that, though, is that it's just masking symptoms rather than looking at the underlying reason.

00:12:43.160 And obviously that's not for everybody, but it is for a large portion of girls.

00:12:46.160 I know women who are on the pill for polycystic ovary syndrome, and I've said to them, like, have you explored, like, other avenues potentially that might be more beneficial to you than just taking this little pill every day that might cause you to have other effects?

00:13:00.760 And I guess it's the weighing up thing, right?

00:13:02.980 These women weighed up and they go, no, I want to combat the side effects that come or, you know, the horrible symptoms that come along with these conditions.

00:13:10.520 It's worth it to me, whereas personally, like, looking back, I wish I'd never done it.

00:13:16.280 I wish I'd never done it.

00:13:17.560 Does it change how you think?

00:13:19.120 Yeah, totally.

00:13:19.720 Oh, yes, absolutely.

00:13:21.200 When you come off of the pill, it's quite crazy.

00:13:23.780 Like, the brain fog lifts and you're suddenly able to think rationally.

00:13:27.480 My mom would always make the joke that I was perfect as a teenager until I turned 17, 18, and then I went crazy.

00:13:35.980 And that coincides with me starting to take birth control.

00:13:38.440 And I know that she's correct to a large extent, it's so sad to say, but I was a lunatic.

00:13:44.420 It was like I couldn't regulate my own feelings, and so I was just this crazy person walking around.

00:13:49.760 And then when I stopped taking it, I noticed that I just became a person again.

00:13:54.060 I was able to think clearly.

00:13:55.280 I could interact.

00:13:56.120 I could articulate myself, and I hadn't had that for a really long time.

00:13:59.400 Because birth control actually changes as well the type of men that you find attractive.

00:14:03.240 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:04.380 There's some scientific research about pheromones and things like that so that if you – I mean, there's one – I'm trying to not butcher the language that these actual scientists have used.

00:14:17.920 But there was a woman whose name is Sarah Hill, I believe.

00:14:21.260 And she wrote a book about this and also did a really great TED Talk that everyone should watch.

00:14:26.080 And she basically says that estrogen loves testosterone.

00:14:29.060 So if you have a high level of estrogen, I mean, like, these things will dictate – these particular hormones will dictate what kind of partner you find attractive.

00:14:38.140 And so women who are on the pill, they've found in some of these studies that these women will find men with lower or fewer testosterone markers, which is so interesting to me.

00:14:49.680 So I love telling my boyfriend, I always say, like, well, this is why I love you now, because, you know, I'm not on the pill.

00:14:53.960 So that means you're a nice masculine boy.

00:14:55.620 I'm sure he likes that.

00:14:57.220 Very flattering to him.

00:14:58.520 But it kind of says a lot potentially about the direction of society.

00:15:02.820 Yeah.

00:15:03.460 And we know testosterone levels in men are dropping with every generation anyway.

00:15:07.420 I wonder if that's related, though.

00:15:08.860 Like, I've thought about this a lot, where you have a lot of estrogen, I think, in the environment.

00:15:14.420 And there's some crazy conspiracy theories about how there's estrogen in the water because women take the pill and all these type of things.

00:15:19.620 I don't know how I feel about any of that.

00:15:21.180 It's turning the frogs gay.

00:15:23.040 Yes.

00:15:24.400 Turning the men gay.

00:15:25.360 So I wonder if there is a correlation and a relationship there, because if women are selecting partners who are less masculine, so to speak, it's obviously not that straightforward,

00:15:36.840 but so to speak, would that mean that men then are adapting to that and becoming in and of themselves less masculine?

00:15:43.920 That creates an evolutionary pressure, right?

00:15:45.840 Right?

00:15:46.380 Yeah.

00:15:46.840 And I don't know if that's a completely crazy, I don't think that's that crazy to put out on the table.

00:15:51.160 I actually, by the way, I know the fact that it came from Alex Jones wasn't helpful, but the frog's gay thing, I mean, there is some truth to the fact that there's more estrogen in the environment, and that changes a lot of things.

00:16:04.320 A lot of people put it down to our overuse of microplastics.

00:16:08.180 Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of reasons for the, I guess, current makeup.

00:16:13.380 I don't know the correct terminology.

00:16:15.220 You know, when it comes to the hormones in the environment, and yes, you're exactly right, like microplastics are a big one.

00:16:20.700 There was a one specific chemical, though, that was relating to turning the frogs gay, and it's like now a certified, yes, this is the effect that this has on the environment, but I can't remember which one it was.

00:16:31.460 I think it was an A, I don't know.

00:16:34.080 Well, the frog LGBTQ community has got to be very happy with that, and pump more of that into the water.

00:16:39.840 Absolutely.

00:16:40.400 Sydney, but we're talking about men and women, which is a really interesting subject as well.

00:16:44.240 And I know you have some views on how men are portrayed in society and all of that, and that was something we wanted to talk to you about as well.

00:16:51.520 Yeah, I think my views have shifted quite significantly in the last number of years.

00:16:54.800 You've had some very sad experiences.

00:16:56.620 Yeah, yeah, I used to be aggressively pro-men to the exclusion of women, I think, in some sense.

00:17:06.000 I used to think that I was quite moderate on a lot of issues, and now looking back and seeing some of the people who've entered the red pill space and trying to compare myself to them,

00:17:15.980 I think, I hope I never sounded like this, because this is really yucky and unhelpful.

00:17:22.200 But yeah, no, the reason I care about men's issues is because I think that a lot of them get brushed aside and brushed under the rug,

00:17:29.380 because there is this prevailing attitude that men do have to be the strong, silent types, and I don't know how helpful that is.

00:17:36.880 But equally, I think that if you let that run too far, like the over...

00:17:41.360 It's so hard to articulate.

00:17:42.400 The oversupport of some of these issues can in turn just lead to, can I swear on your show?

00:17:50.980 You can.

00:17:51.340 Yes.

00:17:51.860 Just shitting on women.

00:17:53.620 Mm-hmm.

00:17:54.020 And I think that's...

00:17:54.660 That's not even a strong swear.

00:17:55.600 I can't believe she checked.

00:17:56.620 I thought the cunt was going to come out.

00:17:59.720 I mean, she's an Aussie.

00:18:01.080 Oh, I might, yeah.

00:18:02.960 She's shitting.

00:18:03.900 I mean, that's not even...

00:18:04.640 That's me in the car.

00:18:05.540 I'll be driving like...

00:18:06.500 Yeah, seriously, Australian women are basically men with more empathy.

00:18:11.720 Like, some of the things that I've just...

00:18:13.860 I've been told by Australian women, I'm like, oh, my...

00:18:16.320 Like what?

00:18:16.880 No, no, no.

00:18:17.920 No, let's not go there.

00:18:18.860 You don't want to hear this story, I promise you.

00:18:20.800 It's horrific.

00:18:21.540 It's horrific.

00:18:22.380 Oh, so you met an Australian who said something crazy.

00:18:24.720 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:26.220 Absolutely.

00:18:26.980 Yeah, no hold bar.

00:18:28.100 That's not uncommon, though.

00:18:29.540 Sorry?

00:18:30.060 When you got...

00:18:30.540 Okay, you guys are from the UK, where I feel like your crazy people are way worse than our crazy people.

00:18:36.580 By I, you mean Aussies?

00:18:38.060 Yeah.

00:18:38.260 Yeah, but I think what Francis and I are saying is, on average,

00:18:41.420 your society is more crazy than the UK one.

00:18:44.180 Yeah.

00:18:44.200 I don't know about that.

00:18:44.680 Maybe at the extreme level, at the tail ends, you maybe...

00:18:47.520 No, you know what?

00:18:48.580 You're probably right.

00:18:49.960 You're probably right.

00:18:51.620 Yeah.

00:18:53.100 And look, Dan Andrews, I mean, God bless his cottons, but that was mental.

00:18:59.560 What went on in Melbourne was absolutely...

00:19:01.020 He's gone now.

00:19:02.380 He resigned.

00:19:03.300 Well, he resigned, didn't he?

00:19:03.820 Yeah.

00:19:04.080 But anyway, let's come back to the shitting.

00:19:06.060 Yeah.

00:19:06.360 Yes.

00:19:06.920 Yeah.

00:19:07.200 So this is quite...

00:19:08.720 It's really hard for me to articulate, because I think that there's a lot of significant male

00:19:14.260 problems that do deserve the limelight.

00:19:17.320 And they deserve to be considered uniquely and separately to women's issues.

00:19:22.740 I really believe that.

00:19:23.800 And I've seen that in practice.

00:19:25.640 You know, there's major issues when it comes to divorce court.

00:19:30.100 There's major issues when it comes to child custody.

00:19:33.240 There's so many things, male suicide, male loneliness, so many of these things that are

00:19:36.840 just so widely overlooked.

00:19:39.660 And when men complain about it, people go, well, too bad.

00:19:41.880 How sad.

00:19:42.680 You're never going to get preferential treatment here.

00:19:45.560 The trouble, though, is...

00:19:46.600 And this is what I'm noticing.

00:19:48.560 When you talk about those things enough, and this is why I dislike the Andrew Tates of

00:19:53.320 the World and some of these red pill people who've come up in recent years, rather than

00:19:57.780 saying men and women have unique problems that must be addressed independently of each

00:20:02.640 other in order to fix them, and some of them, yes, let's support each other and come together

00:20:06.520 on them, instead what happens is, well, men have it really hard, or women have it really

00:20:10.780 hard, let's hate the opposite sex.

00:20:12.420 And I hate that.

00:20:13.800 I hate when feminists do it.

00:20:15.180 I think it's so ridiculously unhelpful, because men are wonderful.

00:20:18.960 We need men.

00:20:19.860 Society functions way better when we have men around.

00:20:23.320 And the same goes for women.

00:20:24.860 You have these people who are like, well, I had a horrible negative experience going

00:20:29.080 through divorce court with my ex-wife, and now I just think all women are garbage trash

00:20:33.700 people who are going to take all of my money.

00:20:35.920 It's like, sir, no.

00:20:37.940 And that's such an odd way of going about viewing the world.

00:20:40.640 It's like you're looking behind every corner waiting for someone to just stab you.

00:20:45.780 And I just don't understand why people follow people who make them feel that way.

00:20:51.960 It's validating their prejudice, I think.

00:20:54.660 Yeah.

00:20:54.980 And also, what these people are doing, some of the people that we're discussing, is they're

00:20:59.160 monetizing resentment.

00:21:00.560 Yes.

00:21:01.120 Yes.

00:21:01.520 That's exactly it.

00:21:02.340 That's such a good way of putting it.

00:21:03.760 Basically, what they're doing is they're drumming up all this hatred.

00:21:06.100 They're riling up these bases of people who are so lost and angry.

00:21:09.580 And they're making money off of it.

00:21:11.800 And I'm like, you're so gross.

00:21:13.120 At least when I was making my content, and I still talk about men's issues now, it's

00:21:17.780 just to a lesser extent, because I do feel like women are kind of getting the raw end

00:21:20.920 of the deal in a lot of ways, particularly with relation to the trans movement and whatnot.

00:21:26.780 But when I would talk about men's issues, I always tried to make the point of saying,

00:21:30.060 we are just better together.

00:21:32.140 Society just functions way better when men and women can work it out and support each other.

00:21:36.660 This is what I always say.

00:21:37.860 I say any ideology, and I'm glad you mentioned that it happens on both sides, because it does.

00:21:44.180 Any ideology that wants to pretend that men and women are, the relationship between men

00:21:50.240 and women is best described as a conflict.

00:21:53.880 Any ideology that wants to push men and women apart is cancer.

00:21:57.780 It's absolutely toxic.

00:21:59.040 And there are forms of feminism, not all of them, but there are forms of feminism that

00:22:02.960 do that.

00:22:03.680 And a lot of the red pill stuff that's coming out now, you're just going,

00:22:07.860 and I'm looking at a lot of these people, and what I don't understand is why people don't

00:22:13.000 look at the people who are saying this stuff and go, would I want to be like you?

00:22:17.640 Yeah.

00:22:18.020 This is the other thing too, and I'm going to try not to come after my own team too much

00:22:24.200 talking to you guys, because I find that one of the things I've noticed, and this is why

00:22:29.280 I've withdrawn quite significantly from the conservative movement, because I realised that

00:22:33.820 I don't fit in there, they probably don't want me anyway, so now I'm just kind of this

00:22:37.420 right-wing person who oscillates between libertarian and whatever else.

00:22:40.860 Welcome to the controlled opposition.

00:22:45.140 That's where we are.

00:22:46.320 Exactly that same place.

00:22:47.000 Well, that's why I was like, at least talking with you guys, I feel comfortable saying this

00:22:51.800 stuff, because I know that you are on the same page to an extent, and even if you're

00:22:56.440 not, you won't be buttholes about disagreeing.

00:22:59.620 Whereas I have been in some situations where I've been asked a simple question about these

00:23:05.340 topics, I answer it to the best of my ability, without trying to insult anybody or be unkind

00:23:10.880 or whatever the case, and people act like I have just burned down their house.

00:23:15.960 And I just think, how as a society are we supposed to evolve if we can't talk about the issues

00:23:24.300 even within our own communities?

00:23:25.860 And one of the things that I have noticed recently, and this is one of the very sad things,

00:23:30.160 is that a lot of the female, not only commentators and pundits and whatnot that I know, who

00:23:35.300 are on the right, but just girlfriends of mine who are right-wing or, you know, conservative,

00:23:39.800 whatever, they're shifting away from this ideology because they're like, I'm not wanted

00:23:44.560 here.

00:23:45.700 Like, everything gets passed off as me being a problem or this is a problem.

00:23:50.180 And so when you talk about the red pill people and the way that they behave and the way that

00:23:53.600 they sort of postulate and present themselves, you do think, would I want to be like this?

00:23:57.860 And the trouble is that it's exactly like that for some conservative people who say all these

00:24:03.180 things on the internet, they say all these things to their audiences, they do their talks

00:24:06.640 and their shows and whatever.

00:24:08.060 And then behind the scenes, they live a completely contradictory life.

00:24:11.500 And I think it's just so ridiculous to me that you're out here trying to divide people

00:24:16.660 so aggressively when you yourself are not even living by the same value system that you try

00:24:21.320 to enforce upon others.

00:24:22.660 And a lot of that, again, comes down to women must be subservient, women must be this, women

00:24:27.520 must be that, don't marry a hoe, don't do all these things.

00:24:29.920 And I think, oh my God, like if people only knew how you behaved in your own time, in

00:24:36.080 your personal life, they would have a completely different perception of all the crap that

00:24:39.300 you were saying.

00:24:40.200 But would they, Sydney?

00:24:41.400 Or would they be like, this is our team, screw the other team, this is my boy, he's sticking

00:24:46.520 it to them?

00:24:47.280 Probably there's a large portion of people who would still be like that.

00:24:52.020 This is why the Andrew Tate stuff has just totally thrown me for a loop because people

00:24:56.280 always go, well, I want to know when someone's a bad person.

00:24:59.380 And then you have all these people going, well, here's him basically self-reporting that he's

00:25:03.680 not a great person.

00:25:04.720 I mean, should we not listen to words that have come out of his own face?

00:25:07.840 And they go, no, no, he didn't mean it like that.

00:25:09.800 And they justify, justify, justify.

00:25:11.440 And I go, so how can you fix the issues in your own community if you can't even call

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00:27:45.200 Now, back to the interview.

00:27:46.960 Well, I do find it odd with Andrew Tay because I haven't consumed a lot of his content, but

00:27:53.680 I did see him, I saw him once talking about how a father is supposed to be, sort of turn

00:27:59.080 up once a year and be the, and whatever, but that's not a conservative worldview.

00:28:07.340 No, it's not.

00:28:07.820 And the fact that conservatives are embracing that, I find very strange.

00:28:11.180 I defend him so much.

00:28:12.200 And also, I mean, I don't remember a time in the history of humanity when being pro-pimping

00:28:18.440 was a conservative position.

00:28:20.080 Like, right.

00:28:20.760 You know, so he can do whatever he wants and people can consume his content and I've got

00:28:25.220 no, you know, people can do whatever they want.

00:28:27.560 On the one hand, on the other hand, why people who espouse traditional values would back that?

00:28:33.420 That's what I find very strange.

00:28:35.100 Because it justifies the way that they live their own lives behind the scenes.

00:28:38.580 That's why.

00:28:39.440 There's a lot of, are you talking about pundits?

00:28:40.940 Because there's a lot of people, I think, who have quite large audiences on the right

00:28:45.060 who emulate what Tate says, but behind closed doors.

00:28:51.240 And that's a real problem.

00:28:52.580 Now, I'm not saying that you can't be a flawed human being.

00:28:54.880 Like, I'm as flawed as they come.

00:28:56.260 I've done a heap of crap that I look back on and I go, who let me have that brain?

00:29:01.220 Who let me out of the house?

00:29:02.760 And it's embarrassing to think back on, but I like to think...

00:29:05.080 Tia and Tate is right.

00:29:05.620 You should stay in the house.

00:29:06.780 Yeah.

00:29:07.460 I should just be changed in the kitchen.

00:29:08.580 But it's, well, there you go.

00:29:11.240 He has to, you know, a broken clock is right, what, twice a day?

00:29:14.540 But it's, I look back on my own life and I go, oh, I've been a moron and I've done moronic

00:29:19.240 things and I'm ashamed of some things.

00:29:21.320 And, but I think that's like the regular human experience, right?

00:29:23.740 Like who goes through life going, I did everything correctly 100% of the time.

00:29:27.540 Absolutely no one.

00:29:28.680 So I'm not saying that you can't make mistakes or you can't learn from them or you can't

00:29:32.600 even say to your audience, you know, hey, I did this dumb thing.

00:29:35.620 It was one of the dumbest things I've ever done.

00:29:37.100 Let me tell you about it and let's learn from it and maybe I can help someone along the way.

00:29:40.620 That's also really great.

00:29:41.720 And I really love when people do things like that.

00:29:43.160 But my problem comes with the selling people a bill of false goods.

00:29:49.760 That's where my issue is.

00:29:51.100 And so I think that's, I just, I really dislike the Andrew Tate phenomenon, phenomena that's

00:29:58.400 happening.

00:29:58.820 I don't like it.

00:29:59.720 And I just think it's generally unhelpful.

00:30:02.360 The one thing we should say as well, whatever you think about him is he is a symptom of a

00:30:07.100 problem.

00:30:07.660 Yeah.

00:30:08.160 He's not, it's not his fault that people listen to him.

00:30:11.600 It's the fault of a society that has suppressed healthy masculinity for a long time.

00:30:16.620 Yeah, I'd agree with that.

00:30:17.120 And so he's the one that's prepared to say, this is why Jordan Peterson was successful.

00:30:20.880 Very different characters, by the way.

00:30:22.460 I have a lot more interest in Jordan's work.

00:30:23.700 Imagine if Jordan just did streams of his top off smoking cigars.

00:30:28.260 Chest tattered.

00:30:29.060 Do you find that like, I find it so funny how people be like, this is so masculine.

00:30:32.940 And I'm like, this feels like vaguely what, what like my gay friends do.

00:30:36.720 They sit around and are like, you've got cute pecs.

00:30:38.940 And it's, you know what I mean?

00:30:43.160 I don't know.

00:30:43.660 I don't think that that's like a, do dudes do that?

00:30:45.880 Do guys just like hang out with each other shirtless, like smoking cigars, like this

00:30:49.000 is the most masculine thing.

00:30:50.240 I mean, not in Britain.

00:30:51.400 No.

00:30:51.720 Not in Britain.

00:30:52.080 No.

00:30:52.520 No.

00:30:52.740 In Britain, we don't do that.

00:30:53.800 Maybe, there's probably some chads in America that sit around smoking cigars.

00:30:57.400 You just do cigarettes and disappointment in the UK, is that?

00:31:00.120 Say again?

00:31:00.560 You just do cigarettes and disappointment in the UK.

00:31:02.160 Yeah, yeah, that's what we do.

00:31:03.320 I can't imagine people in scum thought with their tops off smoking cigars.

00:31:06.500 Smoking cigars.

00:31:07.420 No, I don't see that.

00:31:09.300 I've never seen this in Texas either.

00:31:11.440 Like, I come into contact with men all the time.

00:31:15.480 My boyfriend has a bunch of male friends that are, you know, these type of guys.

00:31:20.440 And yeah, not once have I seen any of them shirtless.

00:31:23.500 Except my boyfriend, obviously.

00:31:24.620 You know.

00:31:25.100 Self-explanatory.

00:31:25.700 Yeah, I agree with what Constantine says about Tate and the reason that he rose to prominence

00:31:31.300 is the fact that our culture is...

00:31:32.880 It's a vacuum.

00:31:33.660 Yeah.

00:31:34.160 It's broken.

00:31:35.400 Mm-hmm.

00:31:35.660 But also as well, to me, it just speaks of men who aren't in control of their lives, are

00:31:42.480 angry, can't date the women that they want to date.

00:31:47.700 Yeah.

00:31:48.000 And then you've got this guy who goes, well, women are basically whores.

00:31:52.060 And this is what you need to do in order to get one and then punish her.

00:31:56.940 Yes, I agree.

00:31:59.780 And I think there is a big vacuum.

00:32:02.480 And it's funny that you bring up Jordan Peterson because I've had this conversation with male

00:32:05.920 friends of mine where I've said to them, like, give me your take on this.

00:32:09.000 I feel like part of the problem is that there was Jordan Peterson who people could actually

00:32:13.980 emulate because he's worthy of being emulated.

00:32:17.300 He had good messaging.

00:32:18.660 He had sound messaging, logical messaging.

00:32:21.100 And even if you didn't agree with it 100%, you could still take bits and pieces and make

00:32:24.740 it make sense and be like, OK, this is still applicable to my life.

00:32:28.220 And then he kind of fell off because he obviously had some personal issues going on and whatnot.

00:32:32.060 And then there was this vacuum where men were still being abused socially, but being told

00:32:37.260 that, you know, the ways that they behave are not acceptable, that they need to change

00:32:42.240 and shift and do all these sort of things in order to fit in with society.

00:32:45.700 And I think what that speaks to is the fact that there's no male role models that are worthy

00:32:51.820 of replacing, like, a Jordan Peterson.

00:32:53.620 There's no one who's really stepped up to the plate that has good messaging, has a good

00:32:58.940 moral framework, whatever that looks like for the individual, and is able to talk to

00:33:02.820 men at their level.

00:33:03.540 And so instead, what you get are these Andrew Tate type figures who have filled that void

00:33:08.280 because no one else could fill it.

00:33:09.760 And so in a way, we kind of created this monster ourselves.

00:33:13.580 Oh, definitely.

00:33:14.020 But I actually don't agree with you.

00:33:15.160 I don't think that's the mechanism by which it was created.

00:33:17.500 I think the mechanism by which it's created is you have to be a Milo or an Andrew Tate

00:33:24.200 or a someone like that to pierce all the bullshit that people are going to throw at you if you

00:33:30.540 advocate for a different worldview than the one that you're supposed to have in society.

00:33:36.000 So, for example, a normal person comes along like a Jordan Peterson and think how much shit

00:33:41.380 he took.

00:33:42.100 Yeah.

00:33:42.380 He's not surprised that he had the personal problems that he had.

00:33:46.400 Given, look, we are all in the public eye to a much lesser extent.

00:33:49.940 You know what it's like, people coming after you, writing hit pieces about you.

00:33:53.680 Yeah.

00:33:53.820 Imagine that, but every day times 100.

00:33:57.240 Yeah.

00:33:57.560 Right?

00:33:58.160 That's pretty fucking brutal.

00:33:59.660 So you have to be a psychopath or a sociopath to be able to deal with that.

00:34:04.660 Oh, you do.

00:34:05.300 Right?

00:34:05.520 And so then people will come along who are just able to ignore that completely and they

00:34:11.420 just go hard every time.

00:34:14.220 Yeah.

00:34:14.340 And I think that's why, because a much more moderate person will likely be destroyed by

00:34:19.260 the system that's there.

00:34:20.220 And it takes someone who's just a berserker who's going to crash through that wall.

00:34:24.140 Well, I also think some of these people have cult leader tendencies and they surround themselves

00:34:29.600 with people who are able to do damage control for them.

00:34:32.040 And so in a way they sort of feel untouchable because when they are criticized, it's hard

00:34:38.100 to, again, it's hard to articulate.

00:34:39.680 It's almost like they won't let it, they won't let it enter their sphere and they make someone

00:34:44.740 else deal with it.

00:34:45.840 I don't know.

00:34:46.440 I know a lot about like the Andrew Tate situation and sort of the way that he's, I guess, protected

00:34:53.420 himself with this group of acolytes, so to speak.

00:34:57.240 And it's really, really disconcerting when you read about it.

00:35:00.600 I haven't read anything about it.

00:35:01.940 So basically with his, I can't remember the name of it, his like...

00:35:07.660 The real world.

00:35:08.640 No, no, his website where he was basically collecting people and they would pay him to

00:35:12.900 basically get advice on how to do things.

00:35:15.080 From that came about like his core group.

00:35:18.140 I feel like every one of these people, like Fuentes, some of these other people, they have

00:35:21.520 a core group that they surround themselves with.

00:35:23.520 Oh, he calls it the war room, doesn't he?

00:35:25.140 Yes, yes, the war room, yes.

00:35:26.200 So in his war room, that's like a group of trusted people who will basically do a lot

00:35:30.740 of things to make sure that they sort of keep things away from him.

00:35:35.380 They'll say, oh, this person's lying.

00:35:37.000 He like has bot farms that come out and respond to things when you're critical on the internet.

00:35:41.480 So they're constantly running interference when there's actual criticism of him.

00:35:46.580 And I notice this a lot because there's a couple of accounts that I follow who constantly

00:35:49.580 try to expose him and put out information.

00:35:51.940 You have all these people who respond to it and go, this is not true, you're lying.

00:35:55.620 They're really good at running their own interference.

00:35:57.860 Yeah, he is masterful at what he does and how he has incentivized people to share his

00:36:04.120 content to the point where actually it doesn't matter if Andrew gets deplatformed because

00:36:09.380 he incentivizes people financially to share his content.

00:36:14.040 And every time they share his content, then someone signs up to his website, they get a

00:36:18.480 percentage or a cut of the fee.

00:36:20.080 So actually what he's done from a strategy point of view, it's brilliant.

00:36:25.800 The thing that's incredibly worrying is that you look at the message and you go, this is

00:36:30.420 toxic and divisive.

00:36:33.360 And look, you go free speech, free speech, free speech, of course, of course, of course.

00:36:38.820 But when it affects young boys and some of them as young as 12 who are getting inculcated

00:36:45.560 with this stuff, it's incredibly worrying.

00:36:48.020 Yeah, I saw a thing the other day that someone had posted.

00:36:51.180 It was a woman who'd made a TikTok basically talking about how she broke up with her boyfriend

00:36:54.780 because he was getting too into the red pill sphere.

00:36:58.980 And all these people were saying, well, that guy dodged a bullet and all this type of thing.

00:37:02.540 And some of what she was saying was crazy.

00:37:04.260 Like, I admit that.

00:37:05.040 And I watched it and I thought, I've seen this dynamic actually play out in my personal

00:37:10.260 life with friends of mine who have broken up with guys and it's like, what went wrong?

00:37:15.620 Oh, well, suddenly he had all these bizarre opinions about how our relationship should

00:37:19.540 be.

00:37:20.080 And you go, well, what's the origin of those opinions?

00:37:22.360 Oh, well, he's been consuming this person's content and this person's content.

00:37:25.380 And so I just think the general...

00:37:27.020 The general disrespect that gets facilitated between the sexes because of this really,

00:37:34.500 really disturbs me.

00:37:35.460 Like, I feel so lucky in so many ways that the man that I've chosen to do life with doesn't

00:37:40.280 engage with any of this.

00:37:41.160 The only person that he watches is Rogan and Ben Shapiro.

00:37:44.540 That's it.

00:37:44.940 He doesn't care about anybody else.

00:37:46.220 He doesn't want to listen.

00:37:47.260 I tell him the things that I read on the internet and he goes, that is batshit.

00:37:51.240 People think that.

00:37:52.180 I'm like, yeah, oh my goodness.

00:37:53.460 Like, here, listen.

00:37:54.140 And he's like, oh, God.

00:37:55.560 Well, this is the thing I was saying earlier, which is, I think the way that you've got to

00:38:00.560 choose your heroes carefully.

00:38:02.120 Yeah.

00:38:02.580 And the way to choose your heroes is to achieve the life that they have.

00:38:10.400 Yeah.

00:38:10.680 When I look at Rogan, happily married, two kids, very successful, great friendships, built

00:38:16.880 a scene here.

00:38:17.860 And, you know, he's a wonderful guy, very kind, very generous.

00:38:21.820 Shapiro, family guy.

00:38:24.140 Like, that's, that's what I want.

00:38:26.040 Yeah.

00:38:26.180 That's what I always wanted.

00:38:27.360 And so to me, if that's, I don't want Andrew Tate's life.

00:38:31.560 I've never wanted that.

00:38:32.880 No.

00:38:33.220 I don't want Pearl's life or any other.

00:38:36.640 Oh, yeah.

00:38:37.000 I forgot that you guys interviewed her.

00:38:38.620 We did.

00:38:39.160 Yeah, we did.

00:38:40.840 Was that fun?

00:38:41.680 Did you love that?

00:38:42.520 You know what?

00:38:43.580 We didn't really know what to expect.

00:38:45.220 It was one of those where we, we normally vet our guests quite carefully to work out whether

00:38:52.240 they're a good fit for the show.

00:38:53.540 And this one was a good friend of mine was like, you should have this person on.

00:38:56.020 And we were like, okay.

00:38:57.240 Thanks, mate.

00:38:58.580 Cheers, mate.

00:38:59.140 I appreciate it.

00:39:00.500 Yeah.

00:39:00.860 It was, it was awkward because we just, it was hard to, it was hard to have a conversation.

00:39:07.040 Yeah.

00:39:07.460 That was challenging to watch.

00:39:10.460 Yeah.

00:39:10.600 Um, I noticed some people are like, this feels like a struggle session, but it's like, huh.

00:39:16.320 The reason, see, everyone that criticized us for how we conducted that interview completely

00:39:21.740 misunderstood.

00:39:22.700 Lots of people think that we got triggered by the fact.

00:39:25.740 You guys didn't seem upset at all.

00:39:26.560 No, we weren't upset at all.

00:39:27.860 But what, what we do is if you say something that doesn't make sense.

00:39:31.840 Yeah.

00:39:32.060 We're going to follow up to work out why it doesn't make sense.

00:39:34.940 Yeah.

00:39:35.320 And so when we were asking about why she had Nick Fuentes on her questions, her answers

00:39:40.240 to our questions made less and less sense with every answer.

00:39:43.680 So we were like, well, let's keep digging.

00:39:45.820 Let's find out what's going on.

00:39:47.660 Yeah.

00:39:48.340 And, and, and asking why you had Nick Fuentes on, if you've apologized for it, is a perfectly

00:39:54.520 legitimate question.

00:39:55.680 It's not us being upset about her.

00:39:57.500 She's allowed to have anyone on that she wants.

00:39:59.700 But we're allowed to ask why she had him on.

00:40:01.660 And so that was all.

00:40:03.060 But anyway, my, my, my point is you, if you're choosing the people that you want to follow,

00:40:08.020 whose advice you want to listen to, in my opinion, the wisest thing to do is look at

00:40:12.120 their life and go, do I want my life to look like this?

00:40:14.800 Yeah.

00:40:15.760 And if you look at Andrew Tate's life, if you're a teenager, I'm sure that's very appealing.

00:40:21.280 But once you kind of get past that, that's not a great life.

00:40:24.040 Well, even if you want a meaningful relationship, like half of the, half of the core pieces of

00:40:28.300 advice that some of these people are giving, like for example, test your girlfriend, cheat

00:40:31.760 on her, in what, in what world, in what world is that, is that logical to anybody?

00:40:39.840 Oh, you know, if she stays with you, she loves you.

00:40:41.820 No, if she stays with you, she has Stockholm syndrome.

00:40:45.300 Like this is, this is not complicated.

00:40:47.560 So in a way it's, it's almost like they're trying to create a subservient group of women

00:40:54.060 and a free to do whatever they want group of men.

00:40:57.560 And I'm confused by the women who follow these men, because I think this is so counterintuitive

00:41:04.580 to your existence.

00:41:06.600 This is so odd.

00:41:08.100 This is so denigrating.

00:41:10.020 Yeah.

00:41:10.520 They, they really confuse me.

00:41:12.160 But you were a little bit in that direction at one point, right?

00:41:15.500 I'm not saying this is a gotcha.

00:41:17.060 I just want to explore why someone might behave that way.

00:41:19.800 That's why I'm asking.

00:41:20.640 Well, so this is, this is what I was saying previously, which is that I don't know if I

00:41:26.640 was ever on this psycho plane of existence that some of these other people operate.

00:41:32.660 What I was hoping to do was call attention to issues that affect men and get into the

00:41:39.280 weeds about the validity of how those men are affected.

00:41:43.460 But I would always try to make the point of, well, you know, for example, like let's talk

00:41:47.720 about men being like sexually assaulted, for example.

00:41:51.380 It does happen, well, it depends actually on the situation, but generally it does happen

00:41:56.240 at a lower rate than women or men going to prison, for example, for like a really violent

00:42:02.380 crime.

00:42:02.760 If I was talking about a thing that related to men and women going to prison, I would

00:42:06.560 say, you know, like shorter prison sentences that women often get for the same crime.

00:42:11.060 I would always make the point, well, women actually don't commit violent crime.

00:42:14.200 Women commit this kind of crime.

00:42:15.300 And this is why, you know, sometimes you see a difference in whatever.

00:42:17.480 So I'd always try to at least caveat and say, this is why these things are different, even

00:42:21.940 though it appears to be unfair to men or men are being mistreated in whatever capacity.

00:42:27.800 I think the, I think the ideology for me was that I just genuinely don't want the men

00:42:33.340 around me and the men I love and men in my extended circle to feel bad.

00:42:38.020 I don't want them to feel how I currently feel as a woman in the right wing space.

00:42:43.920 I don't want them to feel like that ever in existence.

00:42:46.580 And so that's why it was really important for me to talk about this.

00:42:48.660 But I was never on the same wavelength as these people.

00:42:50.500 Like I was never like the women are the hoes and you got to, you got to chain her to the

00:42:54.620 stove, sir.

00:42:55.480 Like, no, I was never on that wavelength and I never could be.

00:42:58.800 Do you think, Sydney, it could be this?

00:43:03.000 I think maybe someone's spoken about it.

00:43:05.180 I don't know, but if you go on social media, you feel emotions over a period of what, half

00:43:13.320 an hour to maybe an hour that you would only get in the most intense months of your life.

00:43:19.140 Yeah.

00:43:19.380 You might feel the need to cry.

00:43:21.700 You will get angry.

00:43:23.220 You will laugh hysterically.

00:43:25.220 You'll get triggered.

00:43:26.700 You'll want to get into an argument and a debate.

00:43:28.800 And if you look at what Andrew does, it's not really about the cerebral.

00:43:33.980 It's about emotion.

00:43:35.800 Look at this body.

00:43:36.560 Don't you want this body?

00:43:37.880 This is how you get this body.

00:43:39.260 Don't you want this car?

00:43:40.240 You want this car.

00:43:41.000 This is how you get this car.

00:43:42.520 Look at this babe in a bikini.

00:43:44.720 Don't you want the babe in the bikini?

00:43:46.560 And it's nothing to do with this.

00:43:48.540 It's all to do with activating the gut and essentially the lizard part of the brain that

00:43:53.920 lives inside, you know, every human being, but certainly inside every man.

00:43:57.480 Yeah, no, I think that's a great observation.

00:43:59.360 I would put it back to you guys as actual men.

00:44:01.340 Do you think that that more emotional side of things actually appeals to men a lot more?

00:44:06.380 Because I love it how people always say, and they say this especially in relation to the

00:44:09.720 women shouldn't vote repeal the 19th, which is like, and I have tried not to come at people

00:44:16.880 over this, especially like some, again, other female commentators who say this crap.

00:44:21.280 I'm like, well, maybe you should lead by example, ma'am, and take yourself off the internet

00:44:25.300 if you really don't think that women should have a say in political discussions.

00:44:28.820 Okay.

00:44:29.640 But so people always make the argument women are too emotional.

00:44:32.360 I would make the argument everyone's emotional.

00:44:34.120 It just depends on the issue.

00:44:35.520 And men and women display emotions totally differently.

00:44:39.060 So when it comes to what you're describing, that sort of visceral response that men get

00:44:43.020 to seeing, you know, the beautiful woman or wanting the six pack or wanting the pretty

00:44:46.560 car, whatever the case is, do you think that that's actually their natural inclination?

00:44:50.060 I, I, look, testosterone is a status-seeking hormone.

00:44:58.600 Men are driven to be high status.

00:45:00.760 We just are.

00:45:01.420 It's why we work.

00:45:02.280 It's why we take risks.

00:45:03.340 It's why we seek money, career, et cetera, et cetera.

00:45:09.140 What I think Tate does very interestingly is he offers shortcuts.

00:45:15.000 Yeah.

00:45:15.200 And I think that's the, the genius, the dark genius of Andrew Tate is I'm going to show

00:45:21.620 you the shortcut in order to get all of these things that lizard brain wants.

00:45:27.200 And the shortcut is escaping the matrix.

00:45:31.060 Cause if you're plugged into the matrix, then you're never going to achieve these things.

00:45:35.240 Or if you are, it's going to take a long time and you're going to be struggling and

00:45:40.000 no one's going to give you respect.

00:45:41.280 But if you, but you know, if you join this app or whatever it is that he's offering,

00:45:45.500 you're going to get all of this.

00:45:47.420 And I would say there is a way to steel man, the argument that he's making, which is if

00:45:52.500 you abstract yourself from this idea of the matrix and you just go, well, there is a system

00:45:57.140 in which you are told certain things that you're supposed to believe that are blatantly

00:46:02.140 not true.

00:46:02.920 Right.

00:46:03.360 And you've been marinating in this crap at school, at university, in the media, et cetera.

00:46:11.020 Escaping that matrix is not a bad thing.

00:46:13.680 It's a question of what you then do with that.

00:46:15.820 Right.

00:46:16.300 And I also think to answer your question, men, just like women, they're different.

00:46:20.680 Right.

00:46:20.780 We had Ayla, um, the, she's an escort and only fans model in here, uh, a few days ago.

00:46:26.880 And she's just, her brain's just wired differently.

00:46:29.920 Yeah.

00:46:30.140 It's just wired differently.

00:46:31.300 Right.

00:46:31.440 Oh, that's interesting.

00:46:32.760 You can just tell.

00:46:33.920 So it's not, she, I mean, the, the, the most amazing part of the interview to me was because

00:46:40.300 we're like two normies trying to wrap our head around her, her lifestyle and everything

00:46:43.900 that she does.

00:46:44.680 And then I went, you know, you make a hundred grand a month on OnlyFans.

00:46:48.760 She makes a hundred K?

00:46:50.040 Not every month.

00:46:50.960 Are you ready to go?

00:46:53.280 You, you're reconsidering your career.

00:46:55.380 No.

00:46:55.900 Uh, she, she makes at some points a hundred K a month.

00:46:59.680 I do it with the feet photos.

00:47:00.840 I would, I would, if I didn't feel the weird shame about it, oh yeah.

00:47:05.820 You know what?

00:47:06.640 We talked about feet a lot.

00:47:08.140 That is a weird fetish.

00:47:09.200 Yeah, it is.

00:47:10.100 Feet is a weird fetish.

00:47:11.500 Yeah, well, a lot of people have got it.

00:47:12.500 I mean, there's a couple of people who.

00:47:14.240 A lot of people have herpes though.

00:47:15.460 It's nothing to be proud of.

00:47:17.780 I don't, I don't know.

00:47:18.680 I don't get the feet thing.

00:47:19.960 Like I don't understand the allure of feet.

00:47:22.080 I mean, I think there's odd things about men and women that we find attractive that are

00:47:26.600 not conventionally attractive.

00:47:28.220 The feet, I don't get it.

00:47:29.260 Like I have, there's a couple of people who, I'm like, no shame to them.

00:47:33.060 Like, hey, if this is your thing, so be it.

00:47:34.640 That email me a lot.

00:47:36.320 Just please, just one little toes hit.

00:47:38.440 And I'm like, no toes.

00:47:40.120 I'll pay you.

00:47:40.900 I'll give you money.

00:47:41.740 And I'm like.

00:47:42.300 Thousand pounds.

00:47:43.120 I'll give you any photo of my toes that you want.

00:47:45.320 I just don't think I have cute feet.

00:47:47.280 And so I don't want to send them to somebody.

00:47:49.180 Yeah.

00:47:49.480 They're, they're.

00:47:50.500 Anyway.

00:47:52.140 Sorry.

00:47:52.600 Did you have another point on feet?

00:47:54.120 No, I just, I, I, I do judge.

00:47:57.400 Look, you shouldn't, you should be open-minded.

00:47:58.840 No, no, it's shameful.

00:47:59.680 And you should be, you should be, you should feel terrible.

00:48:02.480 Absolutely.

00:48:03.080 And if you are one of those people, don't talk to them.

00:48:05.240 Email us, we'll give, we'll give it to you for money.

00:48:07.400 Yeah.

00:48:07.760 It's no problem.

00:48:08.640 Anyway.

00:48:10.280 You don't want to say that because you're actually going to get emails.

00:48:13.220 Yeah, but I'm happy.

00:48:14.100 I'll send a picture.

00:48:14.640 Would you do it?

00:48:15.220 Would you send you to?

00:48:16.040 Yeah, I don't give a fuck.

00:48:16.480 It's just feet.

00:48:17.440 Yeah.

00:48:17.760 I couldn't get, no, look, there's a lot of perverts out there and I'm happy to help them

00:48:20.700 for money.

00:48:21.560 It's fine.

00:48:22.820 No, my point is, so Ayla, I said to her, you make loads of money on OnlyFans and you

00:48:29.120 still do escorting.

00:48:30.940 Does she have, like, sexual relations with the people that she?

00:48:34.760 Yes.

00:48:35.340 Oh.

00:48:35.600 She has sex.

00:48:36.420 Yeah, she has sex.

00:48:36.920 I don't know about sexual relations.

00:48:37.980 Well, does she, you know, yeah.

00:48:39.500 She has sex with them.

00:48:40.240 Okay.

00:48:40.520 Because some people just hang out.

00:48:41.660 No, no, no, no.

00:48:42.340 I mean, she does some hanging out, but she also has sex with them.

00:48:44.540 So what I was saying was, she gets paid a shit ton of money on OnlyFans, but she don't,

00:48:49.140 and I was like, so you, that means to me, you don't need the money, really.

00:48:54.280 You must like it.

00:48:56.060 And she's like, you know, some people are wired differently, right?

00:48:59.080 But some people want to be Genghis Khan.

00:49:01.740 Some people want to have a harem.

00:49:03.980 Yeah.

00:49:04.160 Some people are like that.

00:49:05.460 Never been appealed to me.

00:49:07.020 My thing, when I was a young man, 17, 18, I thought I need to find the woman that I'm

00:49:12.280 going to marry, marry her and be together for the rest of our lives.

00:49:14.520 Oh.

00:49:14.920 And we met at 18, married at 20, been together ever since, right?

00:49:19.440 I've never, I don't want the shiny car.

00:49:22.460 I mean, maybe if I go fully bald, I will get one.

00:49:24.360 But, you know, I never wanted that.

00:49:28.040 Wait, why does the going fully bald mean that you...

00:49:30.240 Oh, it's compensation.

00:49:31.440 Yeah, it's security.

00:49:32.440 You just get plugs.

00:49:33.980 You just go turkey and have the turkey schmits stick things in your head.

00:49:36.600 You can't, mate, this isn't a fucking personal intervention.

00:49:41.240 But it's a compensation mechanism that men will often use, particularly in middle age.

00:49:45.340 They'll get a fast car or whatever.

00:49:46.820 Yeah.

00:49:47.060 Right?

00:49:47.440 Never appealed to me at all.

00:49:48.540 Is that not to just sort of like relive, though, the fun and excitement of like their 20s?

00:49:53.240 Or is it, you think it's to compensate?

00:49:55.320 I think it's, I think it's a combination of the two.

00:49:57.760 I think sometimes we live, the older you get, the more routine that your life becomes.

00:50:03.320 Yeah.

00:50:03.520 And because it has to, because you have a job, you have responsibilities.

00:50:06.660 Yeah.

00:50:06.820 And sometimes getting in a car and, you know, going in a sports car and going at a fast speed,

00:50:12.560 that's invigorating.

00:50:13.600 Makes you feel young, maybe.

00:50:14.940 He doesn't have a driving license, by the way.

00:50:15.940 I don't have a driving license.

00:50:16.840 Do you actually not?

00:50:17.660 No.

00:50:18.040 Oh, my God.

00:50:18.560 I bet you love the tube.

00:50:20.260 No.

00:50:21.020 I'm learning how to drive.

00:50:22.020 He's learning how to drive rapidly.

00:50:22.800 I hate the tube and I hate public transport because it never works because we're in the

00:50:26.040 UK.

00:50:26.580 Anyway.

00:50:27.160 Yes.

00:50:27.580 So my point is, I think men are wired differently like women.

00:50:31.260 However, I suspect that the lifestyle that people like Andrew Tate are advocating would

00:50:39.620 not be satisfying to most men.

00:50:41.740 Yeah.

00:50:42.040 In terms of the deep internal well-being.

00:50:45.080 It raises your status and makes you feel like a king and a conqueror and whatever for

00:50:49.620 a while.

00:50:49.880 But, you know, there's a lot of evidence from like one night stands and stuff.

00:50:53.120 Men don't feel good about them either.

00:50:54.740 Yeah.

00:50:55.000 Women just feel disgust and shame and whatever.

00:50:57.800 But most of them, some don't, some are wired differently.

00:51:01.200 But with men, it's the same, actually.

00:51:03.220 Yeah.

00:51:03.420 You know, it doesn't make you happy.

00:51:04.760 No, you're, this is why, one of the things that's been really interesting now that I

00:51:10.440 have a handful of rad femme friends that have come about with, you know, both of us hating

00:51:16.020 the current state of affairs when it comes to like the trans movement and whatnot, the

00:51:20.340 way that it presents women.

00:51:22.260 One of the most interesting things that one of those women has pointed out to me is that

00:51:25.740 casual sex doesn't benefit women.

00:51:27.620 It certainly doesn't benefit anybody, but it certainly doesn't benefit women.

00:51:30.840 And we've almost been conditioned to think that this disgusting feeling that you experience

00:51:35.540 after you've done something physical with someone that you don't really like all that

00:51:39.300 much or that, you know, you don't see, you know, you're not going to be in a relationship

00:51:42.340 with them.

00:51:42.720 You have no interest in pursuing something, whatever, whatever.

00:51:45.600 We've been taught that that feeling of revulsion is normal and that, oh, that's just how it

00:51:50.060 goes.

00:51:50.480 You know, you're just being free.

00:51:51.580 You're doing all the things.

00:51:52.500 You're experiencing life.

00:51:53.420 Well, it's like, I don't know why you would ever want to promote that for either sex.

00:51:56.800 And I'm not certainly one of these people that says that you have to marry the first

00:51:59.840 kid that you date out of high school.

00:52:01.440 Like, no, go and experience life.

00:52:03.280 That's fine.

00:52:03.840 Whatever that looks like to you.

00:52:05.300 But I just think it's like, be mindful of what you're doing to yourself and like the little

00:52:10.340 bits of your soul that you're giving away every time you do something that actually

00:52:13.800 doesn't make you feel good, but you convince yourself is a benefit.

00:52:18.340 So it's just sad.

00:52:19.360 It's just sad.

00:52:20.100 This wanting to sleep with 8 billion women thing is sad.

00:52:23.840 The one thing I have to add at some point in this interview, and I guess it's going to

00:52:27.460 be here, is this preoccupation that everybody also has with body counts is revolting to

00:52:31.920 me.

00:52:32.500 I don't know if you guys feel similarly.

00:52:34.300 You see it online all the time.

00:52:35.720 I'm so over it because I think to myself, if you are actually going to judge somebody,

00:52:39.800 because let's say that someone was, I don't know, had a male friend of mine, for example,

00:52:45.020 we've talked about this.

00:52:46.160 He's had relations with many, many, many women, many more than he would like.

00:52:50.300 And he said that the primary reason he did that was because he was so insecure.

00:52:53.900 He felt so unlovable that he just did his thing and then never spoke to them again.

00:53:00.640 And he said, I would never want someone to judge me based on that number because that's

00:53:04.900 not representative of who I am now.

00:53:06.840 And I think that that's so true for a lot of people, but this odd desire to know everything

00:53:11.960 about your partner is so weird to me.

00:53:14.560 It's so weird.

00:53:15.440 Like there are some things I think that can be personal.

00:53:17.700 I don't know why.

00:53:18.760 This, it's just, even calling it a body count is so disrespectful because it basically takes

00:53:23.740 this intimate act and totally denigrates it.

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00:55:00.940 That is interesting because women are more interested in their partner's past.

00:55:07.940 Like, if I'm dating a woman, I don't want to know what she did before I met her.

00:55:11.980 I think you're the exception, though.

00:55:13.380 I genuinely, like, I just want it to be like, you know, like in a Men in Black, bang, I don't

00:55:18.600 know.

00:55:18.900 And I don't want to know.

00:55:19.700 You can do what you did and whatever else.

00:55:22.540 Yeah.

00:55:22.740 And that was you in the past.

00:55:23.920 I don't want to know.

00:55:24.680 And I don't care.

00:55:25.480 Yeah.

00:55:25.800 I will confess.

00:55:26.800 I would definitely want to know.

00:55:28.120 Would you?

00:55:28.540 Yeah.

00:55:28.740 Would it change something for you?

00:55:30.080 I have no idea because it's a hypothetical I'm never going to experience.

00:55:33.660 But it's...

00:55:35.560 Count your blessings.

00:55:36.680 Yes.

00:55:38.000 Touch wood or whatever.

00:55:39.460 But I think from an evolutionary perspective, I do understand it because there is a reason

00:55:48.460 cultures tend to obsess about virginity, historically speaking.

00:55:52.600 Yeah.

00:55:52.740 It's about ensuring that, you know, promiscuity in a woman is very, very bad for the man because

00:56:00.460 it's about paternal certainty.

00:56:02.120 Right?

00:56:02.520 Okay.

00:56:02.900 If your wife is a quote unquote slut or the partner you're going to...

00:56:06.920 I don't like that word.

00:56:08.260 I'm just using it in inverted commas.

00:56:09.220 I get it.

00:56:09.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:11.460 If then the risk to the man is very high from a gene perspective because you're going to

00:56:16.540 be raising someone else's kid as a man, biologically speaking, that's a terrible place to be.

00:56:21.440 Right?

00:56:22.580 So men have always obsessed about virginity and all of that.

00:56:26.800 Now, it doesn't make logical sense because the fact that a woman has had sex with 10

00:56:31.260 men before you changes nothing.

00:56:33.500 Right.

00:56:33.660 But you might argue it's a marker of her potential behavior in the future.

00:56:38.280 You could, but...

00:56:39.260 I'm not saying it is.

00:56:40.580 I'm not saying people obsessing about body counts is the right thing.

00:56:43.220 I'm just saying I see how that might come about from my evolutionary past.

00:56:47.580 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:56:48.220 Yeah, no, of course.

00:56:48.980 And what you say about the paternal thing makes total sense.

00:56:51.220 I think, though, we don't live in that current climate.

00:56:54.160 I mean, I get it from it's an inbuilt thing, but then I think that to a large extent, we

00:56:59.560 kind of override some of those natural processes because logically we go, I know if someone has

00:57:05.800 had a child or not because they have one.

00:57:09.220 It's physically here and I know it's not mine.

00:57:12.520 I guess it's more for me just this odd obsession with using these things that men do as well,

00:57:20.480 that both sexes do, but using it as like a shaming mechanism.

00:57:24.680 I just find that so strange because it's...

00:57:26.980 I don't have any problem with someone seeking out someone who's had fewer sexual partners.

00:57:31.220 Like, I'm not going to judge you for having a preference.

00:57:33.300 That's okay.

00:57:34.600 I'm someone who actually doesn't...

00:57:35.940 I don't care.

00:57:36.460 I don't want to know.

00:57:37.040 I'm just like you.

00:57:37.840 I do not want to know.

00:57:38.740 Do not tell me.

00:57:39.340 It's none of my bloody business.

00:57:40.760 And I feel that way as well, you know, in relation to being asked.

00:57:44.320 It's none of your damn business.

00:57:45.480 Because everything prior to what happened before you and me in our relationship, that's

00:57:50.600 past.

00:57:51.140 Like, we're done.

00:57:51.620 Unless it's something pertinent that you need to know.

00:57:53.260 Like, you know, someone has venereal disease or something, which I, you know, obviously

00:57:57.280 you should disclose that type of information.

00:57:59.740 But yeah, it's just, it's really weird.

00:58:01.160 It's really weird to me.

00:58:02.680 And they go on about it so much too.

00:58:04.440 That's, I guess, another thing that I notice is everyone makes it like a central part of

00:58:08.120 the conversation.

00:58:08.720 And I think none of this instigates respect.

00:58:13.720 And I think that if you're going to actually ameliorate relationships between men and women,

00:58:17.020 perhaps the starting point should be building a foundation of mutual respect.

00:58:20.520 Do you think it might be the Madonna whore, the Madonna, Mary Magdalene kind of thing?

00:58:26.980 You know, do you see what I mean?

00:58:28.020 That a woman is either a whore or she is a drag wife who should be respected, who does

00:58:33.580 nothing but look after the children and bake all day and look incredibly beautiful and

00:58:39.160 buxom at the same time.

00:58:40.540 Do you know what I mean?

00:58:41.220 Yeah, no, of course.

00:58:41.900 Yeah, it's, yeah, there is kind of that dichotomy emerging, isn't it?

00:58:45.060 Yeah.

00:58:45.780 One of the saddest things, and I want to be clear, I don't want all like right-wing conservative

00:58:50.060 men to get roped up in my present feelings about the conservative movement, because I do

00:58:54.460 recognize that the men that we're talking about, these people, and it's women too, these

00:58:57.880 people that we're talking about are a fraction.

00:59:00.540 They're a very loud fraction, and they think they're growing, but they are quite small.

00:59:05.100 And I think your average person probably thinks like we do, regardless of sort of how they

00:59:09.880 vote politically or think politically overall.

00:59:12.480 My issue with the dichotomy that you're talking about is it leaves like no room for just people

00:59:18.740 being people.

00:59:19.720 And again, it's this thing where it's like, if the woman does it, it's such a horrible

00:59:23.000 negative.

00:59:23.560 She's all these things.

00:59:24.380 She's a slut.

00:59:24.940 She's a whore.

00:59:25.460 You know, send her to the island.

00:59:27.040 But if a man is to do it based on the way that these men feel about it, it's just them

00:59:31.880 being masculine, just them exerting themselves onto the world.

00:59:36.020 And I think that's just, yeah, again, it's just I find a lot of this really unhelpful.

00:59:40.280 Yeah, well, it is.

00:59:41.340 And I know that you've had some personal experiences lately that probably have changed how you view

00:59:46.220 the way the right in particular treats women.

00:59:48.660 Yeah, definitely.

00:59:49.200 I mean, my experiences have definitely colored my view of everything.

00:59:56.780 I went through a period probably towards the end of last year, the beginning of this year,

01:00:01.500 where I just felt mad all the time.

01:00:04.360 So what happened, Sydney?

01:00:05.280 Tell people who may not be aware.

01:00:06.920 So I don't know how much detail I can go in just because of the legal components to this.

01:00:11.880 But I was involved with a co-host on a show with a network, a conservative network.

01:00:18.980 And my experience was extremely, extremely negative.

01:00:22.860 I felt like there was a lot of treatment that went on that was negative because I'm a woman.

01:00:28.660 And I never experienced that previously, which is why a lot of my earlier viewpoints were

01:00:34.320 I was much more likely to call out silly things that I saw happening from women.

01:00:39.040 Whereas now, I kind of get where they're coming from.

01:00:42.240 And I never had that previously.

01:00:43.900 And so now I'm definitely colored by it.

01:00:46.000 I don't like that I'm colored by it, though, because I don't want to be ever one of these

01:00:51.220 women who comes at life from this solely personal vantage point is always passing judgment

01:00:58.140 on whatever situation based on my own independent experiences and my own traumas, so to speak.

01:01:04.640 I don't know a better word.

01:01:06.400 Does that make sense?

01:01:07.460 Yes.

01:01:07.620 Well, you don't want to be walking around with a set of shit-stained glasses.

01:01:12.480 Yes, exactly.

01:01:13.280 I don't want to be like that.

01:01:14.140 And go, all men are whatever.

01:01:15.460 Yeah.

01:01:15.640 Because it's not all men.

01:01:16.400 It's one guy in this case, right?

01:01:17.920 Well, I mean, it's, yes.

01:01:20.160 In that case, one.

01:01:22.160 I mean, my experience is, to be honest with you, now that I've sort of, if I can be honest

01:01:27.040 about it, there's a lot of people like this that exist in the world.

01:01:30.360 Again, I don't think that they outnumber the normal people.

01:01:33.200 I always, you know, I really do believe that normal people make up the majority.

01:01:37.440 They just don't concern themselves with a lot of this.

01:01:39.900 But I do think that there are some really toxic elements and really messed up elements

01:01:43.940 of the right wing.

01:01:45.080 But people don't understand that these experiences that I had are feeding into how I presently

01:01:50.320 feel and presently talk about the environment that I'm in, this political environment.

01:01:54.400 The worst part is, and this kind of speaks to what we were talking about earlier with

01:01:58.380 relation to, you know, relationships and body counts and blah, blah, blah.

01:02:01.800 I have a couple girlfriends, one of whom is a decently well-known pundit, so to speak.

01:02:08.980 And she did all the right things.

01:02:11.620 Married, babies, blah.

01:02:14.060 And she feels like she got such a crappy deal because she tried to do everything by the

01:02:19.020 book, exactly how they tell you to do it.

01:02:20.940 You know, you find the person, you get married, you have the kids, you try to be the stay-at-home

01:02:24.940 wife, you try to do all these things.

01:02:26.760 And her partner ended up doing some not okay things in the relationship, abandoned the

01:02:31.280 relationship.

01:02:31.960 And now she's here holding these pieces and she's going, I don't know how, I don't know

01:02:37.380 how to reconcile these two things.

01:02:40.180 I don't know how to reconcile the way my life used to be, the way that I used to think about

01:02:44.120 the world.

01:02:44.580 And now these broken pieces that I have, how do I put this all together to form a coherent

01:02:49.480 understanding of what's going on around me?

01:02:52.120 And I feel like that sometimes too, where I kind of look at all the things that went

01:02:56.020 down, all the things that happened, and all the people who get on the internet and say,

01:02:59.480 you're a liar and you're a feminist and you're just making this up, you know, in order to

01:03:02.780 further your own ends.

01:03:04.040 Which just, by the way, if a woman, particularly on the right wing, talks about a negative experience,

01:03:09.480 particularly that relates to sexual harassment or anything like that, there's kind of no net

01:03:13.840 positive that comes out of that.

01:03:15.260 Because you're automatically disbelieved.

01:03:18.360 And even if you prove that your situation actually happened as you said it happened,

01:03:22.940 everyone will continue to call you a feminist because you spoke out in the first place.

01:03:27.180 And so this is why I said before, I don't want men to ever feel how I currently feel.

01:03:31.600 And this is why, you know, I did my men's rights stuff and I still really care about that.

01:03:35.700 But it's also why now I'm so aggressively like, listen, there are some significant bloody

01:03:39.980 issues on the right wing that we have to fix. Because if we don't, you're going to alienate

01:03:44.220 the living crap out of women. You will never have the support of normal, everyday women

01:03:49.160 because they're feeling alienated. The men then feel alienated because they're like,

01:03:52.740 why are you behaving like this? And it just makes things so much worse.

01:03:56.840 Yeah. It's a problem with the left as well, with the left wing, where you get all these

01:04:01.500 people going, you know, hashtag believe all women, I'm a feminist. And then behind closed

01:04:05.320 doors, there's a bit of gropey grope going on.

01:04:07.180 There's a lot of that on the left, like a lot.

01:04:09.680 Yeah. And we saw it with our industry. So do you think it's a good time to be a woman

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01:04:44.020 Um, yes and no. Um, yes. Like overall, I think that we're-

01:04:54.020 Historic perspective. Yeah, yeah. Not too bad.

01:04:56.320 I was going to say, like, I don't have to wear a burqa.

01:04:58.400 Um, I can basically drive a car badly, but that's okay. No, I mean, like, yeah, from a

01:05:04.580 historical standpoint, of course, like we're living through one of the greatest periods

01:05:07.300 of human history. Um, I think that by and large, relations between men and women are

01:05:11.340 pretty good. Um, do I think that there are some things that need to be addressed? Yes.

01:05:15.760 Do I think that that applies to both sides of the aisle? Yes. Do I think that applies to

01:05:19.880 both sexes? Yes. So, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and like cry about the fact that,

01:05:25.240 you know, I have, you know, particular chromosomes. That makes my life more challenging. Where it

01:05:29.740 sucks for us is the trans stuff. That's where it sucks. Um, and this weird, like, cohort of men

01:05:34.860 that have come out of, like, the Andrew Tate red pill stuff. Like, I just, I want those men to just

01:05:39.500 evaluate where they're at and perhaps stop directing all their vitriol just at women. Like, some

01:05:44.880 introspection might be good. All right, Sydney, you've mentioned it a number of times and no episode

01:05:49.720 of Trigonometry is complete until we've talked about the trans stuff. Does it always come?

01:05:54.920 Ladies of Trigonometry, they demand trans. It's like a red blooded male who wants steak for dinner

01:06:01.840 every night. Birds love trans. Birds love trans. We don't have to talk about it. Is the slogan of,

01:06:07.000 but you brought up a few times that clearly it's important to you. Well, because it affects me

01:06:10.900 and I feel very strongly about it and I'm always trying to, like, reconcile that I have friends

01:06:16.200 who are trans or, you know, who I respect, you know, people that I know who I respect who are trans

01:06:20.640 and I'm always trying to, like, reconcile how frustrated I am because on, in a lot of ways,

01:06:26.380 I think, yeah, I can't tar everyone with the same brush because that's just not how I want to live

01:06:32.320 my life. But by the same token, I kind of want to. Like, I'm getting, I'm getting filled with disdain

01:06:39.500 for a group of people that, you know, I'm sure there's a very large portion of them that just want

01:06:44.120 to be left alone. Oh, for sure. But we had Malice in here earlier today and one of the things we

01:06:49.460 talked about with him is essentially that once you get to the point where you're hurting children,

01:06:54.480 people are going to lose all sense of nuance and their right to. Because if you are teaching kids

01:07:01.760 whatever that, and we've had, you know, Carol Markowitz on the show to talk about what they're

01:07:05.820 actually teaching in American schools, I'll be honest with you, lots of people are saying you

01:07:09.140 should move to Austin, you should move here, you should move here. One of the main reasons that I'm not

01:07:13.400 interested is the education system. Oh, yeah, it's terrible. I do not want my children to be

01:07:18.540 exposed to that crap. So that once you get to that point, I'm like, you know what, I don't give a

01:07:25.280 fuck, fuck you. You know, and that's not a good place to be. Because there are plenty of trans people

01:07:31.020 who are decent, respectful, they don't want to invade any spaces, they don't want children to be taught

01:07:36.580 to mutilate their body. You know, we've had a bunch of these people on the show. Yeah. And that's,

01:07:41.360 again, an area where, because these progressive ideas are getting taken to the extreme ideological

01:07:47.560 conclusion, you get a backlash, which is something that we've always been concerned about.

01:07:52.400 Yeah, I mean, I think it's a natural response to being told for long enough that if you don't abide

01:07:57.520 by someone else's view of the world, or how they want to be viewed in the world, you're a bad person.

01:08:03.080 And I think it's kind of funny, because men don't get smacked with this quite as much as

01:08:09.580 women do. And I think really, the only area that men kind of get really messed up is when it comes

01:08:16.220 to dating, like if you are unwilling to be intimate with someone who's trans, like you're a bigot,

01:08:22.280 you're all these things. You know what, there's probably not many guys who would be like, I really

01:08:26.820 give a shit what you think. Oh, that's the thing is, men do not care. Men don't care. Whereas the

01:08:31.620 lesbians, I feel so bad. I have a couple of lesbian friends, and they're constantly like, all of the

01:08:36.420 dating apps are just full of biological dudes. And they're like, I just want to be with a woman.

01:08:42.140 Just, I just want to be with a woman. Like, the end of the sentence. And I feel terrible. I feel

01:08:48.220 terrible for the state of things. My primary issue, really, besides the children thing, which is huge to

01:08:54.580 me. Like, I used to talk about it a lot. And I've kind of peeled back a bit. Because to be honest

01:08:59.380 with you, my heart can't take it anymore. The pedophilia stuff and all this type of thing.

01:09:04.560 I used to cover a lot of it. Sydney, just, I've got my sort of how are people hearing this filter on.

01:09:10.200 So, I know you're not saying all trans people are pedophiles. Just so people...

01:09:13.580 Oh, I wasn't making the relationship. I know, I know you are. So, what are you talking about

01:09:16.980 specifically? Oh, so I'm saying... So, just in case people make that connection by accident.

01:09:20.720 So, previously, well, on my channel, and just generally, I would always research particular

01:09:26.060 areas of child abuse and pedophilia and whatnot to expose, particularly, like, minor attracted

01:09:31.840 people and minor attracted people groups, as they call themselves.

01:09:35.300 Pedophiles.

01:09:36.200 Yes. In order to, in order to basically shine a light and be like, here, here is where this

01:09:41.840 is happening. Please pay attention. The second point to that, yeah, I probably, probably didn't

01:09:47.060 rightly articulate myself. The kids thing, with relation to the trans stuff, mostly comes

01:09:51.820 from, I think, the LGBTQIAXYZ stuff. That's being, you know, enforced on kids with the,

01:09:56.460 hey, you know, if you think that you might be a boy, maybe, maybe you are. Maybe you're

01:10:00.040 not a tomboy. Maybe you're not just, again, an atypical girly girl. You're a girl who just

01:10:04.560 likes stuff and has interests. Maybe you're a boy. That's the, that's the trans component.

01:10:10.000 I'm not, I don't think all trans people are pedophiles.

01:10:12.580 I know, I know, I know. I just, I wanted that to be clarified so people don't, you know

01:10:16.680 how people are.

01:10:17.060 I appreciate it. You know how people are.

01:10:18.940 Yeah, but I think, like, as far as being a woman living through this odd, really odd

01:10:24.840 period of time, my primary issue, besides the aforementioned, comes from the fact that

01:10:33.440 nothing feels like, it doesn't feel like women have access to our own spaces. And so when

01:10:41.820 we try to say, hey, I'm not comfortable with being called cis, I'm not comfortable with

01:10:46.420 you calling me a birther, a breeder, a menstruator, a uterus haver, I'm not comfortable with any

01:10:50.580 of this language. I'm not comfortable with the fact that I can't be sure that going into

01:10:54.620 a bathroom or a change room or whatever, I'm not going to come into contact with these

01:10:57.880 people. And I've had these experiences where I, for some reason, the area that I live in,

01:11:01.980 there's, I keep running into trans people. They're all over the place. And again, nine times

01:11:05.820 out of 10, I'll be very kind to you. I've got no reason not to be. But as soon as I'm

01:11:09.860 trying to go into a public restroom and I'm very, very obviously sensing that you're not

01:11:14.440 a woman, I'm like, I'm uncomfortable with that. And people have an issue with that. They

01:11:18.160 go, why do you care what bathroom these people use? I mean, there's unisex bathrooms. They've

01:11:22.180 always been a thing. Well, I'm not comfortable with men being in the same space as me, like

01:11:26.620 in that capacity. I'm just not.

01:11:28.380 I don't like it. I don't, I don't like unisex toilets.

01:11:31.660 Oh, neither do I.

01:11:32.900 I really don't.

01:11:33.540 I've never got it. I've never understood that.

01:11:34.960 I went to this swanky restaurant with a mate of mine and I went to the gender neutral

01:11:40.160 bathrooms and there was, and there was a woman, there was a mom with her young daughter and

01:11:45.820 you know, they were doing things that you do with a young daughter. And I was walking

01:11:50.720 through, I'm like, I don't want to be here. I don't want to see this. I don't want to be

01:11:54.060 around this. I shouldn't be here.

01:11:56.260 You're right, mate. Your feelings are the most important.

01:11:57.960 Yeah, it is.

01:11:58.940 No, but I get it. It's like this, this just discomfort in knowing that, I mean, and, and

01:12:04.440 I don't feel like this because I think that, you know, these people are going to attack

01:12:07.400 me or something like that, but there's a pretty significant substantial history. I think that

01:12:12.640 we've established that people will take advantage wherever they can. And if it's so easy to identify

01:12:18.080 as the opposite sex and then gain access to their spaces, if you are somebody who is predatory,

01:12:23.620 then who's to say that you're not going to take advantage of that and behave in that way? Like,

01:12:27.720 I don't think that that's so far outside the realm of possibility. And this is why it's

01:12:31.620 sad because you have normal trans people who are like, I feel intense discomfort with my

01:12:38.680 physical body and I do not want to be like this, who are trying to navigate this messed

01:12:45.520 up existence that, that we're all going through. And there's this extra messed up because they

01:12:50.580 have this psychological thing happening to them. Um, that's why I feel bad for those people

01:12:56.360 because they get caught up in the genuinely terrible messaging and genuinely terrible behavior

01:13:01.780 and genuinely terrible laws and all these types of things that get passed that impact

01:13:06.400 regular people and impact women. Like, especially when it relates to the, the mother's thing and

01:13:12.240 babies and, you know, giving birth and these really, really hyper special things that relate

01:13:17.320 specifically to women and specifically to mothers. The sort of, I guess, undermining of that,

01:13:24.000 I find that so unbelievably offensive.

01:13:27.740 I mean, pretending that men and women aren't different has a lot of cascading side effects

01:13:33.100 that come out of that. Sydney, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

01:13:37.500 Uh, the last question we always end with is what's the one thing that went, well,

01:13:41.700 I say that we're going to go to locals and we're going to ask you some questions from our audience.

01:13:45.620 Uh, but before we do that, the one thing we always ask is what's the one thing that we're not

01:13:49.600 talking about as a society that we really should be. I'm actually going to say the pill,

01:13:54.160 the pill and hormonal imbalances in both men and women. I think that it accounts for so much of what

01:14:00.540 we're seeing today. I think it accounts for a lot of the depression and anxiety and general mental

01:14:04.560 disorders that you're seeing in women. And I think it's obviously having a flow on effect to men.

01:14:08.140 And I think that that is a conversation that needs to be had. And then the caveat to that,

01:14:12.600 the second part is the casual sex element. This issue needs more attention.

01:14:18.640 Head on over to locals where we continue the conversation.

01:14:22.440 When the COVID vaccine first came out, I think I remember Sydney speaking

01:14:26.200 about being vaccine injured by the HPV vaccine. Yeah.

01:14:30.540 I just wondered if it still affects her now. I hope not. And how much influence this has had

01:14:34.600 on her being so outspoken about the COVID vaccine.

01:14:42.600 Thank you.

TRIGGERnometry - November 08, 2023

Sydney Watson - The Men vs. Women Problem

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