TRIGGERnometry - “The Biggest Scandal You’ve Never Heard Of” - Charlotte Gill

00:00:00.880 What are the most egregious nonsense that my hard, my hard-earned money is being used to pay? 0.99

00:00:08.640 The Europe that gay porn built, 1945 to 2000. 0.99

00:00:12.880 What? 0.98

00:00:13.840 So we're spending 700 grand researching pregnant men. 0.99

00:00:17.920 Gay pig masculinities. 0.98

00:00:19.840 There's a lot of weird footage that came out of this study in the webinar. 0.98

00:00:23.200 That's a surprise.

00:00:24.640 But what does that mean, decolonising contraception?

00:00:28.320 Oh, my God.

00:00:29.920 Some of these are unbelievable.

00:00:31.120 Bedwetting and incontinence in 1870 to 1970.

00:00:36.000 It's an insult to taxpayers.

00:00:37.360 I call it the biggest scandal you've never heard of.

00:00:41.520 Charlotte Gill, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:43.520 Thank you for having me. I'm a mega fan, so I'm very excited to be here.

00:00:46.480 Well, we're big fans of yours because you're actually doing some very important work.

00:00:49.840 You're doing a lot of research into how taxpayer money is being spent on some very interesting projects.

00:00:55.680 Yeah, so for the best part of the year now, I've been running my sub stack on what I call woke waste.

00:01:04.800 I call it how the taxpayer is funding their own demise.

00:01:08.400 Essentially tracking huge numbers of projects that most people have no idea are on the go that are woke and extremely expensive altogether.

00:01:17.760 Like what?

00:01:18.960 So the first bit of evidence I stumbled upon to realise how bad this was, was when I was looking into, I'd actually been tipped off about a study in higher education about non-binary inclusivity.

00:01:35.280 And I was looking into the academics that did that study, and one of them had worked on a project about pregnant men, exploring the pregnant man.

00:01:47.600 And so obviously I Googled that, had a little search for what that was all about, and it took me to a website called the UKRI, which I'm sure we'll touch on later.

00:01:57.600 And I saw a price tag attached to it, which was, altogether, it was just under £700,000.

00:02:06.720 I thought, what is this price tag?

00:02:10.480 Discovered that we were paying for it, and that was really the beginning of my woke waste project, and yeah, hasn't stopped since then.

00:02:17.600 So we're spending £700,000 researching pregnant men.

00:02:21.680 Yeah, so this, this was a study that's in the past now, but it went on for several years.

00:02:28.880 It was led by someone, Professor Sally Hines, who's quite infamous on Twitter for hounding gender critical women. 1.00

00:02:38.480 And her own research is about gender identity, and she's had, I think it was into the millions of taxpayer money.

00:02:44.720 Meanwhile, this is someone who is pretty rude to taxpayers, which gender critical feminists are, as much as any other people on Twitter. 1.00

00:02:53.520 And quite politically active in general, but she's completely representative of the type of person that we're funding a lot of in higher education. 1.00

00:03:03.780 Look, I'm going to get angry. This is just going to happen.

00:03:07.360 And so let's just delve into it. Make me angry.

00:03:10.660 What, what, what is, what are the most egregious slash bonkers nonsense that my hard, my hard-earned money is being used to pay?

00:03:22.100 Shouldn't have had that third coffee.

00:03:23.400 Just, where does it, there's, it spans a number of areas.

00:03:28.040 It's charities, Arts Council England, so that's sort of theatre section, and universities very, very badly.

00:03:36.800 So the one that I publish that everyone gets upset about or frustrated about is The Europe That Gay Porn Built, 1945 to 2000. 1.00

00:03:48.340 What? 0.98

00:03:49.220 Yeah, it's looking at how, yeah, The Europe That Gay Porn Built. 1.00

00:03:55.580 I don't know, 1945, I don't really understand the logic. 0.92

00:03:58.480 But, and this is by the academics on the project. 0.86

00:04:03.800 One of them has a long history of doing studies on gay porn.

00:04:07.780 It really seems that there's no end to academia on this subject.

00:04:11.560 And the other one, he has had another taxpayer grant.

00:04:15.960 It comes to about a million, the taxpayer money that's gone towards him. 0.78

00:04:19.200 And his previous one was on gay pig masculinities, which I don't, I still don't know why it's that. 0.95

00:04:25.940 Well, I know what, what he says it is, but I don't know how popular pigs are among the gay community. 0.94

00:04:33.360 So, what, what does that involve, gay pig masculinities? 0.99

00:04:38.700 So, from his, from the abstract, the gist is that some gay men, this is what he says, not me, find, they have a sort of pig fetish. 0.99

00:04:51.820 They like acting like pigs. 0.87

00:04:54.340 And part of his research, because I watched webinars of him explaining the research, there was, there were pictures of men meeting in a stable with hay around them. 0.98

00:05:03.900 So, actual, I thought it was like, you know, you get otters and beavers and whatever, like, terminology for gay men, actual pigs. 0.97

00:05:11.720 No, no, not actual pigs. 0.98

00:05:13.320 They, they like, pretend it, you know, getting in the farmyard, the two men. 0.90

00:05:18.580 This is what he said.

00:05:20.060 Look, it's a free country, but why are we researching that?

00:05:25.260 I've got to know.

00:05:25.900 One of the worst, there's, there's a lot of weird footage that came out of this study in the webinar.

00:05:29.880 Really? That's a surprise.

00:05:30.980 Um, and it resulted in a film at the end, uh, which I've seen a bit of footage from with hands and lubricant moving around them. 0.86

00:05:40.960 Um, one of the, the worst bits is a gay porn actor is interviewed as part of the research. 0.71

00:05:47.880 And I don't know how crude I can be on the podcast. 0.98

00:05:51.560 You can be pretty crude.

00:05:52.660 You can be pretty crude. 0.96

00:05:53.360 He's, so he's this American actor and he, he's, uh, he's just interviewed about what he likes when he's doing porn. 0.99

00:06:00.120 And he's, he talks about men lining up and how he likes pigs. 0.99

00:06:05.520 And he's like, yeah, wham, bam. 0.91

00:06:07.780 Like, it's really explicit.

00:06:09.540 Um, and just like, it's disgusting about hearing anyone's sex life like that.

00:06:14.260 It's not a sexuality thing.

00:06:15.800 Um, but yeah, this was part of very important research that cost 170, 80,000 pounds.

00:06:22.220 So this man's had a lot of taxpayers money.

00:06:25.660 And I think the thing is, um, yeah, also he's, he's Portuguese.

00:06:29.640 And I, I mentioned that cause he lives in Sweden and I don't think, especially when there are a lot of debates about international students.

00:06:35.860 I don't think Brits are going to be particularly happy to know that this individual is now in, in, uh, Sweden voted recently at the elections there. 0.66

00:06:43.220 That I saw on his Twitter and it's part of an 840,000 grant to study gay porn. 0.99

00:06:49.900 I. 0.96

00:06:52.020 We're both lost for words.

00:06:54.020 I don't.

00:06:55.300 So what, what is the value of this?

00:06:58.420 How is this justified?

00:07:01.020 Good question.

00:07:02.500 Um, I don't know.

00:07:05.320 It's all part of the diversity obsession at universities and pretty much every publicly funded sector.

00:07:13.220 Also, it does just seem that you can get a grant for anything, um, if you just embed social justice terms into your proposal, that most of them are complete nonsense.

00:07:26.140 There's a study about decolonizing the city of York, for instance.

00:07:30.320 There, there are hundreds of studies about decolonizing things and all they're doing, they just think of anything and they just embed those words into the abstract.

00:07:40.800 I, I'll be like, I'm going on the trigonometry podcast to scrutinize two cis, hetero, white males.

00:07:50.600 Um, I'm going to see if I can unpick their gendered privilege through my eco-poetry, um, through a Foucauldian analysis, uh, involving decolonizing Westminster Abbey, where we're near. 0.59

00:08:04.140 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:05.280 That, that would be the kind of lexicon that we use.

00:08:07.200 I don't think you'd get any money for that.

00:08:08.620 But what you can get money for is, uh, some of these are unbelievable.

00:08:15.100 Uh, bed wetting and incontinence in 1870 to 1970 researcher.

00:08:22.040 And, um, you can get paid 40 grand as a researcher for that as part of a quarter of a million pound research project.

00:08:29.360 It's true.

00:08:31.120 Uh, yeah, I saw that. 0.92

00:08:32.320 And obviously it sounds ridiculous. 0.77

00:08:33.680 And it's from a certain period of time as well.

00:08:36.300 I can't remember what the decades were, but I think it's 1870 to 1970.

00:08:40.160 1870, yeah. 0.91

00:08:40.820 Yeah, and the, what they do to try and make it sound relevant, that there are two things, because obviously you just think that's ridiculous.

00:08:47.660 Why do we need that?

00:08:48.520 We need, we need medical doctors, but we don't need bed wetting experts from that era.

00:08:52.980 But what they do to try and make it sound relevant is they say, oh, I'm working with these current charities, um, that they're working with a few in that project to make it sound like they're going to help patients now.

00:09:04.840 And that's why the research is needed.

00:09:07.460 Um, yeah, so, but ultimately it's just, when, when we're hearing about austerity all the time in the news, why do we need that?

00:09:14.820 Right.

00:09:15.540 Look, it's a good, look, it's a very good point because actually what you talk about very articulately is the corruption of the charity sector.

00:09:25.480 Let's talk about that because.

00:09:27.040 No, no, let's not talk about that.

00:09:28.580 Let's talk about the Tepuna Project, intergenerational healing, settler accountability, and decolonizing participatory action research in Aoteroa, uh, 310 grand, mate.

00:09:41.440 Or alternatively, let's talk about, uh, 1,180,000 pounds on the cultural legacies of the British Empire, reasonable, um, classical music's colonial history.

00:09:55.160 I'm angry.

00:09:55.540 There's quite a lot of studies that involve travel to get to the bottom of what's going on in these places.

00:10:03.860 One of the most, often you do find, and this is why I bring up international students, there is, I found a bit of a correlation with, um, international students that come to study in the UK, but somehow are posted at their home countries to conduct the study.

00:10:19.340 So, so one example I found is a Bolivian PhD researcher, so she's going to get a doctorate, who's gone back to Bolivia to decolonize museums in Bolivia, and we're paying for that.

00:10:34.140 The British taxpayer is paying for this woman to decolonize museums in Bolivia. 1.00

00:10:38.460 Yeah.

00:10:38.800 While the government is taking winter fuel allowance away from pensioners.

00:10:43.020 It's really a crazy situation.

00:10:46.080 I mean, call me controversial.

00:10:47.020 It doesn't sound appropriate to me.

00:10:50.040 There, it just goes on and on.

00:10:52.440 Um, yeah, charities are equally bad.

00:10:54.420 We, we even, we even gave government money to one called decolonizing contraception.

00:11:00.480 What?

00:11:00.800 I know.

00:11:03.420 It's, yeah, it's really.

00:11:05.820 So this has just become one giant scam, basically.

00:11:09.200 Yeah, I mean, I don't want to lie, but I'm, I'm always worried that I'm going to get sued, you know, because I'm coming, I am making a lot of enemies, but I call it the biggest scandal you've never heard of.

00:11:21.160 Because, what, what, what does that mean?

00:11:24.200 Let's look at it.

00:11:26.280 He's really struggling.

00:11:27.440 I'm really struggling.

00:11:28.480 I'm really struggling.

00:11:29.460 But, what does that mean, decolonizing contraception?

00:11:35.300 Well, I went through a lot of studies about decolonizing.

00:11:40.180 I mean, there are hundreds.

00:11:42.700 Some, some really are about decolonizing.

00:11:45.460 There's something to do with the plant world.

00:11:47.060 And, and a good opportunity to say that not everything we start with taxpayer fund is bad.

00:11:53.140 We do a lot of proper science as well.

00:11:54.860 Decolonizing, after looking at, yeah, tens, hundreds of these studies, it just means nothing.

00:12:02.040 Like, we're decolonizing folk music, for instance, for £1.5 million.

00:12:06.500 That's one that really annoyed a lot of people.

00:12:10.820 And those studies, the research is delving into the white centricity of folk music.

00:12:17.120 So, all it means is de-white-ify. 0.88

00:12:21.140 It's, the terminology is very vague, but it will be, the gist of it is, yes, it's a bit white.

00:12:28.040 So, we're going to bring in our special healing, you know, like sort of like an exorcism to remove the white spirits from, from the city of York or folk music or whatever else contraception that they're decolonizing. 0.98

00:12:41.440 Because what's interesting about this is, if that, if your criteria for getting approved for research is hitting all these particular things that you talk about, race, gender, diversity, then obviously that's what you're going to get.

00:12:58.220 So, whilst I think it's awful, incentives work.

00:13:04.020 If you incentivize a particular type of behavior, that's what you're going to get.

00:13:08.160 And so, it's a system that's incentivizing this, isn't it?

00:13:12.300 Yeah, you could say there is an argument for that, but the system is run by people in the system.

00:13:19.760 It's academics, you know, other academics, it's all just very cyclical.

00:13:25.340 And, but I do take your point, one example of what you're saying is the Arts Council England.

00:13:31.280 I don't know, have you heard, you've heard of Arts Council England?

00:13:33.360 Yes.

00:13:33.500 So, it gets 445 million of our money a year to spend.

00:13:40.720 And it, and it also gets about 170, 70 million for national lottery funding, which is a whole new woke area as well.

00:13:49.700 Yes.

00:13:50.240 And Arts Council England does incentivize woke.

00:13:53.580 It has, it has four investment principles.

00:13:58.760 Essentially, if you apply for funding with Arts Council England, you've got to embed these investment principles into your funding pitch.

00:14:06.440 Two of those are about the actual work, is it any good?

00:14:10.240 The other two are environmental responsibility and diversity.

00:14:15.920 And the site has huge numbers of documents to help you embed these investment principles into your funding.

00:14:24.080 And it even has a note, like, we'll be looking to make sure that you embed these investment principles, winkie wink.

00:14:30.000 And, and one, one example that I saw that I think was someone trying to do this was a non-binary dancer who was converting their dance moves into renewable energy.

00:14:43.920 And when I first saw it, I thought, I thought, no, like, what are you doing?

00:14:48.280 But then I thought, that's not a thing.

00:14:50.140 But then I was like, clever.

00:14:52.140 See, he's got around it because he doesn't have to, you know, to meet environmental targets, it's quite expensive.

00:14:57.560 You're not going to get a carbon capture machine.

00:14:59.440 So why not convert your dance moves into renewable energy?

00:15:03.680 But how are you going to convert dance moves into renewable energy?

00:15:06.980 What is it?

00:15:07.740 You use kinetic energy, which then converts into heat.

00:15:11.120 So because you're moving, you're inadvertently heating the building.

00:15:14.720 Is that the argument?

00:15:16.120 I don't know.

00:15:16.660 You'd have to ask Prancer the Dancer, who was playing at Southbank Centre, which is another taxpayer funded.

00:15:23.740 Prancer the Dancer.

00:15:24.980 Yeah, it was called, it was part of, I mean, Southbank Centre is,

00:15:29.200 Woke Central.

00:15:30.600 So they had, yeah, they had a bit of his dance.

00:15:34.580 Or his dance moves.

00:15:35.800 Like, the Woke stuff is obviously, everyone knows what we think about it.

00:15:39.060 But people are allowed to be Woke.

00:15:40.300 People are allowed to have these opinions.

00:15:42.040 But to me, this just seems like an obvious waste of people's money. 0.98

00:15:45.720 And to be serious about it, you know, if I'm a pensioner living in poverty somewhere and I'm hearing that we're spending, you know, 50 grand here, some guy's getting paid 200 grand to watch gay porn all day. 0.95

00:15:59.060 I'd be pretty irritated about that. 0.95

00:16:02.060 Do you know what I mean?

00:16:02.440 Yeah.

00:16:02.540 This is just a colossal, it's not just a waste.

00:16:06.040 A waste is like, you know, we bought too many tables, we had to throw one away.

00:16:11.060 This is actually misspending of taxpayer money.

00:16:13.740 Yeah.

00:16:14.080 It's shocking.

00:16:15.820 When I first started covering it, obviously some of it is funny.

00:16:20.300 You know, you have to laugh.

00:16:22.440 There was even someone that got taxpayer funding who called himself a green being.

00:16:31.240 Like, they're actually painted green as if it's a gender identity.

00:16:34.280 And they were called oozing gloop, by the way.

00:16:39.740 But the more I write about it, and I always read the comments when I write for The Telegraph about it, and at first people are like, ha ha, what a joke.

00:16:47.740 And now they're like, what?

00:16:49.220 You know, the rage is growing and fair enough because it is a massive, it's, yeah, it's really bad what's going on.

00:16:58.000 It's an insult to taxpayers, especially when you see people that need funding for illness, cancer care in this country isn't great.

00:17:05.640 There are lots of rare diseases, motor neuron disease, for instance, pensioners having their fuel allowance.

00:17:12.200 We know there are lots of things lacking in the UK that could do with investment.

00:17:16.820 And we have a political class talking to us about austerity, and there was none, at least not how they make it sound.

00:17:25.160 Do you think also the problem is, is this is what happens, let's use Arts Council England, this is just what happens with state-sponsored art.

00:17:33.900 You get this nonsense because you're insulated from the reality of having to sell tickets and make a profit, which you have to do on the West End.

00:17:42.800 I think there's an element of it attracting a certain kind of person who wants, who, I don't want to say this about everyone in the public sector.

00:17:52.480 There are lots of publicly funded people whose work I really appreciate, dustbin men, you know, policemen, nurses, things like that. 0.99

00:18:01.540 There are a lot of people that there's an entitlement to it.

00:18:04.260 They just think we're so brilliant.

00:18:05.960 We should be state-funded.

00:18:07.740 And a certain type of person is attracted into that public sector for that reason.

00:18:12.780 It is very much to do with a bloated state.

00:18:18.820 Some of the people run, Arts Council England, for instance, is run by a positive psychologist who is a bit too positive, in my opinion, about arts.

00:18:29.540 And retweets all sorts of stuff that other people would find woke and contentious.

00:18:35.300 So it does attract that sort of person.

00:18:37.760 But also as well, I mean, I think that, look, if you're putting on a West End musical, you've got to make sure that you can pay the venue.

00:18:45.780 You've got to make sure you pay directors, the dancers, the actors, all of this stuff.

00:18:50.220 You best make sure you get bums on seats. 1.00

00:18:52.960 Yeah.

00:18:53.400 Because if you don't get bums on seats, it's closing and you lose your money.

00:18:57.960 Yeah.

00:18:58.840 No, this is a really good point.

00:19:00.540 Yeah.

00:19:01.500 Yeah, sorry.

00:19:01.960 I should have answered that on the phone.

00:19:03.160 But this is a really good point because the one number you never hear about is ticket sales and how much money they make.

00:19:10.160 They only want to talk about money when they want more of it.

00:19:14.380 For instance, The Guardian has some ridiculous articles about, it's got its own austerity section.

00:19:21.320 And there's a few talk of cash-strapped entities and one is the South Bank Centre, which receives near like 20 million sort of around that rate.

00:19:34.820 So it's a huge amount of money.

00:19:36.800 And yeah, the CEO was in an article headlined cash-strapped South Bank Centre.

00:19:43.380 And she was upset because the National Theatre got a bit more funding, a few more million. 0.99

00:19:49.620 And, you know, you'd think there was a little violin playing, but it's tens of millions and they are putting on crap. 0.87

00:19:58.420 South Bank Centre, for instance, puts on the Trans Voices Choir for Children for 5 Plus. 0.99

00:20:03.820 We can come and see transgender people, you know.

00:20:06.960 And loads of other...

00:20:08.380 It's like a medieval circus.

00:20:09.560 Yeah, loads of other kind of woke things.

00:20:14.740 And then you've got The Globe, for instance.

00:20:17.260 You're always going to hear like, oh, The Globe, the arts are on their knees, you know, it's on their knees.

00:20:22.640 The Globe had iJone, a play about non-binary Joan of Arc.

00:20:27.700 Does anyone want to see that?

00:20:29.080 I had friends that went, who genuinely love Joan of Arc.

00:20:32.740 They're like huge fans and went seriously and they just said it was completely awful.

00:20:37.960 So you think, who's going to that?

00:20:42.620 There's one...

00:20:43.780 Have you heard of the Battersea Arts Centre?

00:20:46.360 Yeah, I know the BAC.

00:20:47.360 I used to love...

00:20:48.300 Yeah.

00:20:49.520 20 years or so, I used to love going to the BAC.

00:20:52.520 They always put on really new, interesting new work.

00:20:54.660 It wasn't always great.

00:20:56.400 You know, there was hit and misses.

00:20:57.480 But there was a lot of people who got their start at the Battersea Arts Centre.

00:21:01.020 But really, an example of this was Jerry Springer, The Opera, which then went on and became a huge hit.

00:21:07.240 And that started at the BAC.

00:21:09.680 Yeah, it's gone downhill.

00:21:13.140 So the CEO, I've seen him do a few tweets about austerity and how the arts needs more funding.

00:21:20.120 And they've definitely had a decent amount of funding.

00:21:23.020 I can't remember off the top of it, but it's in the good level.

00:21:25.240 And the shows they put on, there's a non-binary person or whatever doing something called Blood Show. 0.98

00:21:33.840 And it's a female originate. 0.99

00:21:36.480 And they've just got blood.

00:21:37.840 It's even on my website, I think, but they've got blood coming down their face.

00:21:41.880 And they say on their website that they won't work with a team of all-white men, that sort of thing.

00:21:50.120 And then the other one is that was at the Battersea Arts Centre.

00:21:53.640 So, yeah, you wonder how many want to go and see Blood Show.

00:21:57.920 And then the other one at Battersea Arts Centre, which I wonder how many people want to go and see, was called First Trimester.

00:22:04.100 It was by a trans woman, someone who was trying to get pregnant, a female, and searching for a sperm donor on stage.

00:22:19.520 What?

00:22:20.080 With National Lottery funding, 64,000 of it.

00:22:24.460 And who knows?

00:22:25.520 And the worst thing about it, this person had a moustache on the stage, sort of looking for Mr. Not so much Mr. Right, but Mr. Plastic Cup.

00:22:35.720 And the worst thing, as in the, the worst thing is I went on their Instagram a while later, and they're not even pregnant.

00:22:46.060 So what was the point of that?

00:22:47.460 You know, not only did we spend a lot of money, well, the National Lottery spent a lot of money on this woke thing.

00:22:52.580 Not even, didn't even get the result from there.

00:22:54.480 How dare you be so insensitive to their infertility.

00:22:57.880 Charlotte, have you tried to reach out to any of these organisations and ask them any questions about why they're doing this, or question any particular projects?

00:23:07.060 Not really.

00:23:08.520 I did try, there were some, I mean, when I wrote an article, I do have to get in touch with them to tell them, to give them right of reply.

00:23:17.500 And, and there are, there are typical trends in how people reply.

00:23:23.900 A lot of professors don't really want to talk.

00:23:27.340 Because you have to say what you're going to say in your article when you, you have to be quite explicit.

00:23:33.280 And other than that, a few of them wanted to have a go at me, actually, about the charity.

00:23:41.080 But other than that, yeah, I didn't, I just view it as a sort of hostile environment, because for them to be saying those things anyway, we're never going to have a constructive conversation.

00:23:51.820 In general, I always say, you know, people get told off about sticking in their echo chambers, and we're meant to get out of them and talk to people we disagree with.

00:24:01.440 Whereas I think, actually, I like my echo chamber.

00:24:04.040 I don't want to go out of it. 0.87

00:24:05.000 I don't want to talk to, other than the legal requirements, I don't want to sit and have a conversation and try and understand someone that thinks non-minor is a thing, or that women can have a penis, you know, any more than someone who's, who thinks the earth is flat.

00:24:21.160 But what we're also talking about here, and this is the other element of it that I find very, very troubling, is that, so you've got this ideology, which is completely dominant.

00:24:32.400 And what it is doing, it's strangling free speech in the arts.

00:24:37.600 So if you want a type of performance or a play which is going to be heterodox, which is antithetical to this ideology, that simply isn't going to be produced, is it?

00:24:48.320 No, everything comes down to identity.

00:24:52.000 It's, everything's view, the product is, what's that identity first?

00:24:57.900 And then we'll look at the product, whereas you want to, you know, the way you want it around is that the identity is incidental to the product, and good art shouldn't be limited to a certain identity, it should naturally come through.

00:25:13.320 And I think the arts, okay, there is, the class is the biggest barrier in the arts, but music especially has always been fairly diverse.

00:25:21.560 But, yeah, there's, there's one theatre called Soho Theatre.

00:25:27.960 We're well familiar with it.

00:25:29.380 Yeah.

00:25:29.880 Oh, okay, really.

00:25:30.840 All comedians.

00:25:31.380 Because of the comedy, yeah.

00:25:32.420 So I used to love that theatre.

00:25:34.040 I mean, it's great.

00:25:35.140 It's a great date venue, I was found, to go and have a drink at Soho Theatre.

00:25:38.540 But, and you remember they hounded, there was an anti-Semitism scandal there where people got hounded out.

00:25:47.560 But I found, I mean, yeah, they've got this, it's called Femmes of Colour, they've got a comedy night on there.

00:25:54.280 So every woman taking part in it, or non-binary person, is an ethnic minority, or sometimes they're calling it global majority now.

00:26:04.200 And it says white people need to check their privilege when they come through the door.

00:26:10.920 And all of the other shows are, is a lot of trans, ethnic minority, it just, yeah, it's just kind of, it's so reductionist as well. 0.95

00:26:21.340 It's quite humanising.

00:26:24.180 It's just doing exactly what the far right do.

00:26:26.360 The other way is the progressive version of that, because we're all being reduced to our parts.

00:26:31.700 And if they intersect, oh, well, that's brilliant, especially, you know, if you're a global majority and you're transgender, oh, brilliant.

00:26:39.040 Like, we really want those kind of people.

00:26:41.220 Oh, white and straight, and cis-hetero, oh, God, oh, no thanks.

00:26:47.100 So, in other words, this ideology has really permeated this sector, as we know.

00:26:52.020 I mean, we knew that that's one of the reasons we started the show when we were in the comedy industry.

00:26:56.480 This was already happening back seven years ago, whenever we started.

00:26:59.980 But it just sounds like this is the dominant worldview now.

00:27:05.220 And that's fine, except I don't understand why the British taxpayers are paying for it.

00:27:11.600 Yeah, it's strange.

00:27:13.520 It does feel like we're not living in a secular society, that there is a dominant religion,

00:27:19.880 and that art and publicly funded institutions now serve to perpetuate it.

00:27:25.800 But it does feel quasi-religious, you know, because all the art is telling the parables of woke.

00:27:34.180 It's there to, you know, you kind of know what pillars there are in woke.

00:27:38.020 It's racial identity. 0.99

00:27:40.080 White is the original sin. 1.00

00:27:41.620 And there's a sort of pyramid of race that's meant to be more oppressed than the other. 0.99

00:27:47.000 It's transgenderism.

00:27:49.100 They're not so much interested in feminism now.

00:27:51.560 It's more that sort of thing.

00:27:53.940 Environmental movement as well.

00:27:56.340 There's Noah's Ark vibes to it, to be honest.

00:27:59.080 The idea that we've hurt the earth and God's going to punish us.

00:28:01.700 And all our money is just being used to embed this.

00:28:06.300 And if you don't like it as well, say you don't like the film that came out a few years ago about the Me Too movement.

00:28:13.400 Oh, it's a bit silly.

00:28:14.720 I don't, you know, I didn't really like that.

00:28:17.560 That's a bad example.

00:28:18.820 But all like, say, I, Joan of Ark.

00:28:21.660 Oh, she wasn't non-binary. 0.98

00:28:22.860 If you insult the parables, you could be blasphemous and told off. 0.99

00:28:28.760 But, yeah, it is ridiculous. 0.98

00:28:30.600 Especially because it all happened under a conservative government. 0.97

00:28:34.040 That's the punchline, really, isn't it?

00:28:36.660 Because, and this is something you've spoken about.

00:28:40.980 And I find it actually quite powerful that, on the one hand, you have the conservative government going, you know, we don't agree with this.

00:28:47.560 We don't agree with this.

00:28:48.260 And then they're just shoveling a lot of money to these organisations who are just producing this nonsense.

00:28:53.380 Yeah.

00:28:54.140 In my experience, they're always saying one thing and funding the opposite.

00:28:59.580 For instance, they, they were, Liz Truss and Kemi Badenoch were great on gender identity. 0.99

00:29:06.560 They were really, really tough on it.

00:29:09.120 But then I looked at funding for, say, hate crime charities and ones that endorse all that terminology, all the gender identity, and that got government grants. 0.58

00:29:21.720 In fact, this hate crime charity, I found, was funded by my own council and Camden Council.

00:29:30.040 So they, they were getting hundreds of thousands over the years.

00:29:33.380 And, and in addition to perpetuating all this terminology that the central government were trying to oppose, they were also funding rainbow paddling sessions at, it's called like Camden Pirates.

00:29:48.560 You can go canoeing there.

00:29:50.220 They were just funding jollies for, you know, gay people and LGBT.

00:29:54.600 And they even had, they even had film sessions.

00:29:59.300 Sorry, are these like euphemisms, like paddling and canoeing?

00:30:03.360 No, they genuinely were going to this place called the Pirates.

00:30:07.980 Yeah, it's not like pig masculinities again. 0.74

00:30:10.520 Okay.

00:30:11.260 Sorry, I'm just, you carry on, shall I?

00:30:14.560 Yeah.

00:30:15.060 So this was my, yeah.

00:30:17.000 And this, this brings me to another point.

00:30:18.800 So yeah, so central government, I don't know what the hell they were doing.

00:30:22.780 And then local government as well, they always go on about austerity.

00:30:27.320 You're always hearing them in the news saying, oh, we're on our knees.

00:30:30.980 We're about to go, many of them have gone bankrupt.

00:30:33.180 Yeah.

00:30:33.480 Birmingham council have gone bankrupt.

00:30:35.600 I know they, they hired food justice consultants and they, they had, they had this food justice online event.

00:30:45.380 Some of these online events are hilarious as well.

00:30:47.420 Well, it's, it's like four views and you'll see the council, they'll be like, I'm so excited to be here today.

00:30:55.620 So, you know, and the guy, one of the guys leading it, I just found him saying, he introduced his talk about food justice by saying something like, food, it's really important.

00:31:07.900 I mean, we all need it to survive.

00:31:10.540 You know, like, why are we, why are we paying for this?

00:31:12.940 But you'll just find huge numbers of examples of councils that, yeah, the, yeah, the LGBT rainbow paddlers, and they also had like queer creative art sessions.

00:31:27.060 They were getting, it was something, hundreds of thousands each from Camden and Islington while they were saying, they actually, my council actually said it was prioritizing frontline services.

00:31:37.060 And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, because they are going, they're going kayaking.

00:31:42.620 Yeah.

00:31:43.240 So, because coming from a background in education where you were, you were there going, we do not have enough money.

00:31:51.340 We do not, class sizes are huge.

00:31:53.480 We've got kids who have got special needs and not getting the support that they require.

00:31:58.320 And you go, these are things, and we've also got, especially post-COVID, there's so many kids now who are struggling with mental health issues.

00:32:10.540 All of that, you go, this is where we require funding.

00:32:14.080 This is where we require money.

00:32:15.720 This is what's important.

00:32:17.300 The next generation.

00:32:19.500 And then we're going, well, there's no money for that.

00:32:21.480 There's no money cams, the children's, children and mental health services, that they just, you know, they're on their knees.

00:32:30.540 You can't get an appointment there for the kids. 0.96

00:32:33.420 However, yeah, we can get some gay people to go paddling. 0.97

00:32:37.360 It's, honestly, it's crazy.

00:32:39.340 One, the amount of things that we now fund while the government is telling everyone that we've got no money left.

00:32:46.860 For instance, I saw Wes Streeting the other day.

00:32:50.440 He did a talk at the Labour Party conference for something called the IPPR.

00:32:56.960 It's the Institute for, I can't remember the exact title, but it's one of these think tanks.

00:33:03.040 And so many of them have really innocuous sounding names.

00:33:06.620 So no one ever looks into them, whereas they're like, oh, Tofton Street.

00:33:11.540 Sorry, I went a bit northern there.

00:33:12.860 But, yeah, so I thought, I thought, this is often how it happens.

00:33:18.880 I went, who the hell's this IPPR and why is my street in talking for them, talking, doing a talk for them?

00:33:24.960 And I went on to their funding.

00:33:27.300 Obviously, we're paying for it, aren't we?

00:33:29.500 I went on to the, it's another, there are a lot of charities that you wouldn't actually think were really charities.

00:33:35.140 But the IPPR is a charity and I looked into its accounts and I saw there's something like £300,000 in taxpayer money.

00:33:42.960 And this is a charity that gets funding from lots of other sources as well.

00:33:48.620 Huge numbers of different ones.

00:33:50.360 So it's not really badly off, but it puts out very contentious stuff to a lot of taxpayers.

00:33:55.920 There's, it loves, like, it's promoting electric vehicles.

00:34:00.380 You know, a lot of people don't like that idea.

00:34:02.440 It was talking about how to combat the far right.

00:34:04.800 It had this really funny, I thought it was quite funny, the blog it had about it,

00:34:08.500 because it just had this, it just had this man who looked like he shops in JD Sports with a skinhead fighting the police.

00:34:16.120 You know, it's as if they think Hitler would have, like, been in, what's that show?

00:34:20.600 Yeah, just shopped in JD Sports, basically, they just think.

00:34:24.180 Yeah, the Nazis had taste. 0.76

00:34:25.920 They had Hugo Bosses.

00:34:27.440 Yeah.

00:34:27.840 They wouldn't do that.

00:34:29.120 I know, right.

00:34:29.960 But I just, yeah, I was just shocked that we're funding this IPPR.

00:34:34.620 We're funding, have you heard of Universities UK?

00:34:38.480 No.

00:34:39.580 This is the thing.

00:34:40.540 Whenever I, no one ever says yes when I ask them, have you heard of this, that we're funding with all these projects.

00:34:46.720 So, Universities UK gets about, it's had about 17 million in taxpayer funding over the years.

00:34:56.680 And it basically lobbies for universities.

00:34:59.600 It's the, all of its content is saying they're really great.

00:35:04.200 We need to spend more on them, like more than we are currently on, which is just under 9 billion a year from, from one quango. 0.96

00:35:11.200 And so, yeah, so they're just putting out lots of let's fund universities and we're paying for them to be around, whereas some taxpayers don't want to pay more for universities, which they are.

00:35:25.600 Do you know what I mean?

00:35:26.680 Like, we're paying for a lobby group for universities because it's deemed a charity.

00:35:32.060 There's just so many instances of this.

00:35:34.240 We should be able to vote on their proposal, not have to fund them making the proposals.

00:35:39.920 So, the good news is we've got Labour in power and they're going to do something about this, right?

00:35:49.400 I really don't know what's going to happen.

00:35:52.260 I mean, I do kind of know what's going to happen with Labour, but I think, I always joke that we're going to have another peasants revolt because the conditions are there.

00:36:01.700 Stop using Keir Starmer's language.

00:36:04.240 But I think a lot of people, there's real growing awareness, even woke waste, the views are growing by tens of thousands per month now.

00:36:17.380 A lot of it's getting out in the papers.

00:36:18.900 And especially with the registered interest that came out about the Labour Party, people are becoming aware of just how bad problems with funding are.

00:36:32.660 If you look through, I don't know if you've looked through the MP's register of interest.

00:36:38.300 So, it's about, I don't know if I need to explain to listeners what it is.

00:36:46.260 They should, yes.

00:36:46.980 It spells out every MP in Parliament.

00:36:50.900 It shows who they've received funding from, if they work for anywhere, unpaid or otherwise, if they have any shares.

00:36:59.140 And it's about 780 pages long.

00:37:03.700 It came out a few weeks ago.

00:37:06.320 And for the media, the main story was Nigel Farage.

00:37:10.740 You know, because of his salary, he had a really good, something like 100k per month from GB News.

00:37:15.940 So, that was a story.

00:37:16.860 They're like, done.

00:37:18.100 He's the baddie.

00:37:19.640 Dark funding, Russia, whatever they want to say.

00:37:21.620 But, you know, oh, he gets paid a lot.

00:37:24.000 That must be really bad.

00:37:25.560 Let's just do loads of stories about that.

00:37:27.800 I have been looking at this.

00:37:29.040 I'm still on B, right, out of the whole alphabet.

00:37:32.900 There's so much gold in it.

00:37:35.660 People are generally more aware now that there's a whole load of unions in there.

00:37:40.960 So, all of the Labour MPs, it's like you could just find out who the real Prime Minister is in that document.

00:37:47.060 There's someone called Gary Lubner.

00:37:48.340 He just funds absolutely everyone.

00:37:50.740 And people know about Dale Vince, that he puts a lot of money into the Labour Party.

00:37:56.720 So, we've got this double issue of we've got all the woke stuff that they want to spend more money on anyway.

00:38:03.360 But we're also having to look at the funders and what the funders want to try and ascertain what policies we're going to get.

00:38:10.220 Because they make it quite clear, a lot of these funders, what they like.

00:38:14.480 And when you're looking at Labour policies, you just think, well, it's probably just them rather than you.

00:38:20.740 So, I mean, let's take these two.

00:38:22.840 Do you know who they are, these Gary Lubner and Dale Vince?

00:38:27.200 Who are these people?

00:38:28.320 So, Dale Vince is, do you know the ecocentricity founder?

00:38:35.320 He's in the news quite a lot.

00:38:36.360 He's been at the Labour conference.

00:38:38.840 He runs several energy companies.

00:38:42.900 He used to fund Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil.

00:38:46.360 And he's given five million to the Labour Party.

00:38:50.660 I don't know that much yet about Gary Lubner because I only really clocked his name, actually.

00:38:56.280 Although there are quite a few stories about him in the press.

00:38:58.580 Another one's Lisbeth Rousing.

00:39:00.920 I think she's Swedish.

00:39:02.300 She's a philanthropist.

00:39:03.760 And she has funded Labour very generously.

00:39:07.260 But, of course, that means that you end up having to look into them and what they want because there's no such thing as a free lunch.

00:39:15.920 And they're all really into the environment quite a lot.

00:39:21.060 Obviously, like they want wind power.

00:39:22.640 Things that might not necessarily be good for Brits, as a lot of people have said, but might be good for other people that have shares because they've put them in renewables.

00:39:32.020 I mean, one example to go into the whole eco thing is, do you know what the Climate Change Committee is?

00:39:40.480 No.

00:39:41.840 So we have a committee.

00:39:45.680 This is part of the reason, by the way, that we have all these funding holes because to pan back a bit, Tony Blair splintered democracy a lot.

00:39:56.780 He exported it into quangos.

00:39:59.200 Because we had devolution under him.

00:40:03.460 His whole approach was splintering everything so that government, even though we have a central government, its powers are so much more weakened.

00:40:13.580 So the Climate Change Committee was one of these Blairite institutions.

00:40:17.500 And it's meant to help us reach net zero.

00:40:20.140 So it's the task force, rather like the Migration Advisory Committee and the OBR, Office of Budget Responsibility.

00:40:28.980 It's a task force designed to help us meet net zero targets.

00:40:33.280 Now, we don't vote for it.

00:40:35.620 Most people have never heard of it.

00:40:37.000 And the people involved have shares in renewable and energy companies.

00:40:43.260 And I think that creates a really big problem.

00:40:45.400 Obviously, if they had shares in oil and they were deciding energy policy, that would be a really big problem.

00:40:52.860 But I think because it's green, it must be good.

00:40:58.260 And also when things are in plain sight, people don't...

00:41:02.080 Plain sight is the biggest hiding space for things.

00:41:05.520 Another example is, do you know the MP Chris Skidmore?

00:41:10.040 Great name though.

00:41:10.880 Yeah, he's kind of, he's a bit of a Tory wet, I would say.

00:41:16.100 He was, I think he was the person that signed net zero into law.

00:41:23.320 And he's kind of how I got into researching environmental funding, actually, because I just saw him post a lot about net zero.

00:41:31.380 I thought, oh, he's a bit enthusiastic about this.

00:41:34.860 And I just thought money, money.

00:41:36.840 And I went on to his registered interests and he was getting paid $80,000 per year by something called the Emissions Capture Company.

00:41:47.160 He also got $40,000 a year from an education, some sort of education, higher ed company.

00:41:54.780 And, hell surprise, he was very enthusiastic about higher education and net zero.

00:42:01.260 He's written a book on why net zero is great.

00:42:03.740 He's now left as an MP.

00:42:04.980 I, I don't think, I don't think that's cool at all.

00:42:07.920 I don't see why he should, I think that is a really big registered interest issue.

00:42:13.040 And, sorry, because I've gone on a real round circle, but Labour are going to be awful because they have a lot of green funders.

00:42:21.620 And things that you can't even really find, I find in the document, I can't, there's one company I couldn't find, but I could find in a, without going on a whole spill.

00:42:32.120 But it just means the electorate, it's not like they see something in front of them and they're like, yeah, we're voting for that.

00:42:39.240 They, they would have to go through 780 pages, look through all that, do what I'm doing basically, go to the UKRI, go to the Charity Commission, go to Arts Council England and work out what they're voting for and paying for at the same time.

00:42:53.820 Sorry, that was a bit, that was a bit happy.

00:42:57.500 So, I mean, again, I use that word corruption, but it sort of is, isn't it really?

00:43:04.840 Because it's these politicians who are being financially incentivised to then carry out the wishes of the people funding them.

00:43:14.140 Well, you know, one has to be careful using the word corruption.

00:43:19.540 I actually come from a family of lawyers, so, so I always avoid using that word.

00:43:26.120 Well, all of this is legal, right? They're not breaking the law, any of them.

00:43:29.720 It is, yeah, all of it is legal.

00:43:32.560 I'm not saying it's right.

00:43:33.720 I think it's more, yeah, I think it's, I think it's wrong, yeah.

00:43:37.040 Yeah, so take corruption back, otherwise you'll get sued.

00:43:40.020 Yeah, okay, I'll take corruption back.

00:43:42.420 Good, you didn't mean corruption. 0.99

00:43:44.300 You mean you're all crooks. 0.99

00:43:46.440 I mean, you're morally corrupt. 0.95

00:43:47.740 No, but it is, it is wrong, but they get away with it.

00:43:50.900 And it's Tory and Labour, by the way.

00:43:52.720 This would be every, every side.

00:43:54.020 It's, yeah, Tory, Labour, Greens, Jeremy Corbyn as well.

00:43:58.060 What is, what are Jeremy Corbyn's interests?

00:44:00.920 So he gets about 15,000 from, he actually has quite a few,

00:44:06.960 but he gets about 15,000 from an organisation called We Deserve Better.

00:44:11.580 And I think Jeremy Corbyn, We Deserve Better than me finding it really hard

00:44:16.860 to get all the details of We Deserve Better when I Googled it.

00:44:20.420 And also Carla Denia, do you know the Green MP?

00:44:26.140 So she also gets funded by them about the same amount.

00:44:29.200 And, yeah, so I, yeah, I did Google We Deserve Better.

00:44:35.000 The main thing that I, even saying Google, you know, I feel a bit,

00:44:39.100 because Google has funding in our democracy, so I don't want to give it a plug even.

00:44:44.680 But the main...

00:44:45.420 I think Google's pretty big as it is.

00:44:46.840 Yeah.

00:44:47.280 Wow.

00:44:48.220 Yeah, I mean, it funds Sadiq Khan, there's, you know, there's elements of that.

00:44:51.860 So I, yeah, I typed in We Deserve Better.

00:44:55.320 Long story short, it was the address that I, that took me to some interesting things

00:44:59.740 on Companies House.

00:45:01.320 I essentially found what looks like left-wing Tufton Street.

00:45:04.380 So it's that, the address linked to the company that funds Carla Denia and Jeremy Corbyn

00:45:12.600 is also associated with, like, the four-day week, loads of other woke projects going on

00:45:19.060 at that address.

00:45:21.340 And you just end up going down more rabbit holes because they'll have had events at that

00:45:26.580 address that are really woke.

00:45:29.620 We, yeah, so I'm still trying to work out what We Deserve Better is, but that's, that's

00:45:33.500 the issue because when you don't know, when people are saying, what, what is We Deserve

00:45:38.740 Better, then you wonder when Carla Denia and Corbyn are saying, we need this, you think

00:45:45.940 you or someone in the background that wants you to push this message and they're going

00:45:52.100 to want something in return, you know, and a lot of these groups have, they have crossover.

00:45:57.780 They will have people that have spoken for one group and then you can find them in another

00:46:02.160 campaign group, a lot of links to green industry.

00:46:07.900 It's, the worrying thing is, is that what you're doing is highlighting a very real, very

00:46:14.200 important issue, joking aside.

00:46:17.280 And the worry is for me, it's a waste of public funds, but even more worrying than that, I

00:46:23.900 don't think this is going to be sorted.

00:46:25.080 And it's just going to be a continual drain on our, on our, on our finances.

00:46:29.820 And if anything, under Labour, which prefers big state, it's going to get worse, surely.

00:46:36.740 Yeah, I, I, I think it's going to be an interesting, I really don't know what to expect, actually.

00:46:43.400 Normally I'm quite confident in my predictions, but I think it's going to be the most bureaucratic

00:46:47.500 revolution of all time, because what I'm trying to do with Woke Waste is audit as much as possible,

00:46:54.180 which is not possible for one person.

00:46:56.280 There's so much.

00:46:57.400 I do get a lot of offers of help, but we can only fight the system, you know, once we've,

00:47:03.200 once we've got our spreadsheet.

00:47:04.640 But we have, we have to get it all out because people haven't known what's going on.

00:47:09.080 And they, they talk about the blob, that's the word that they give this beast.

00:47:13.900 And I'm trying to de-blobify the blob and bring it to the surface, because then you

00:47:18.820 can set about saying, we don't want this.

00:47:21.280 But I do think, this is why I joke about the peasants for revolt, because I think there's

00:47:25.680 a point where it tips over and people say, no, you're not, we cannot, I don't know how

00:47:30.580 you actually do this with HMLC, but they're going to say, no more, you cannot have any more

00:47:34.520 of our money.

00:47:35.680 And this, the democracy that we're seeing is also farcical.

00:47:39.400 You know, we have rights in a democracy.

00:47:44.700 Your warped version, I don't think people are going to be that much happy with for that

00:47:48.840 much longer.

00:47:50.120 And without Keir Starmer putting me in jail, he's not going to have that much space eventually

00:47:55.500 if people really do get fed up.

00:47:58.700 But the thing is, yeah, the reason why I say it's going to be a bureaucratic revolution

00:48:03.440 is, there's no use, I think I saw Thomas from The Apprentice, Thomas Skinner saying,

00:48:08.280 like, all right, I'm going to go out to the street and, and there's no use doing that.

00:48:13.800 You have to unpick it.

00:48:14.960 You have to go to the underworld and get it all up and look at it and then say what systems

00:48:20.960 we need.

00:48:21.780 You know, you need a Javier Millet, you know, from Argentina, EFUERA type movement to get

00:48:27.440 it all out.

00:48:28.040 But yeah, just going around the street going, it's not going to work.

00:48:32.500 And I actually think that's one of the worst things about it because it feels like we've

00:48:35.940 been screwed over by, it's like lawyers from Islington that went to the universe, you know.

00:48:43.000 It just feels like the, not even the intelligentsia, but the sort of horrible educated elite conspired

00:48:50.420 to create all this horrible legislation and quangos that would be very difficult for a lot 0.99

00:48:56.180 of people to try and unpick.

00:48:58.800 Well, Charlotte, thanks for coming and talking to us about it.

00:49:01.140 Keep up the research.

00:49:02.480 Before we move over where our audience get to ask you their questions, what's the one

00:49:06.860 thing we're not talking about that we should be?

00:49:10.740 I think, oh God, there's so many different things, but I'll go with one a bit rogue.

00:49:16.140 Genetic sexual attraction.

00:49:19.620 So we know that it's, yeah, very tangential.

00:49:22.740 So we know that a lot more people are using technology to have children, say sperm donation

00:49:27.640 and egg donation and things like that.

00:49:31.900 But not many people know that there's a really big risk of incest from it in the past.

00:49:37.680 In terms of when adults meet, close relatives meet in adulthood, there's something that can

00:49:43.560 happen called genetic sexual attraction.

00:49:45.820 And it's when they're just powerfully attracted to each other because you're meant to desensitize

00:49:51.260 as a child to close relatives as romantic prospects.

00:49:55.060 And because we've had such an explosion, I mean, there's a Netflix documentary at the

00:49:58.740 moment about a Dutch guy that fathered hundreds, maybe thousands of kids.

00:50:04.680 You know, just enjoyed it.

00:50:05.980 But people doing it on Facebook.

00:50:07.620 There are these clinics.

00:50:08.520 I think we're going to have a real issue with it in the future.

00:50:11.760 And I think that's something people are being really naive about.

00:50:14.900 But maybe not if they watch trigonometry.

00:50:17.200 That's right.

00:50:17.840 There you go.

00:50:18.540 Now we're all aware of inbreeding.

00:50:20.160 Yeah.

00:50:20.700 Excellent.

00:50:21.160 Well, head on over and get answers to your questions.

00:50:26.200 Mokos says, how do you think this woke crusade through the institutions of the taxpayer's expense

00:50:30.660 is going to end?

00:50:31.460 Thank you.

00:50:55.720 Thank you.

TRIGGERnometry - October 16, 2024

“The Biggest Scandal You’ve Never Heard Of” - Charlotte Gill

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