In this episode, Francis and Megan discuss the immigration crisis in America, and why they think it s going to get better. They also discuss why they don t think Joe Biden is going to fix the problem, and what we should do about it.
00:10:06.660It's genocidal and all the rest of it.
00:10:08.440So we're losing our shared cultural identity.
00:10:11.700We're encouraging people to hold on to the identities of the countries from which they came.
00:10:16.480We're not encouraging, like we used to here, pursuit of the American dream and hard work, assimilation, learn the language, make sure your kids learn the language, understand our customs, respect the country into which you've come.
00:10:29.680We're not enforcing the rules that should govern respectable behavior like the law.
00:10:35.160And even, you know, from small things like public urination to big things like hurting people, assault, murder.
00:10:46.420We give them a slap on the wrist for serious crimes.
00:10:48.640So there's a breakdown in the system overall that used to be in place and enforced, you know, 70 years ago when we were far more welcoming than we are today.
00:10:58.620And that's the thing that's been shocking for me is to see the breakdown of law and order in the United States.
00:11:04.380Because when I was growing up and we went, I went to the United States, I was always told, look, the police are much stricter here.
00:11:30.320You're not allowed to do anything wrong.
00:11:32.360Even the right things that you do will be held against you.
00:11:35.260But I'm not really joking because, look, these migrants in particular get slapped on the wrist.
00:11:41.760And if they're in a sanctuary city, all of which are leftist cities, then even if it's a serious crime, the local law enforcement will not tell the feds we have an illegal here who just violated a serious law, who just committed a felony.
00:11:58.400Because there's a lot of people who are going to be listening to this who aren't American, who are not particularly au fait with this issue.
00:12:04.660And you've just used the word sanctuary city.
00:12:07.100And they're like, what does that mean?
00:12:28.980We capture them or they committed a serious felony.
00:12:31.860You know, they committed assault and battery and we arrest them and we run their numbers, you know, their papers, whatever.
00:12:36.820We figure out that they're here illegally.
00:12:37.820We will not respond to ICE, the feds, the immigration, immigration arm at the federal level and tell them that you're here.
00:12:46.700We will do nothing to facilitate your deportation.
00:12:49.160And even if there's basically an order from the feds to turn such a person over, we will ignore it.
00:12:55.620And we also won't encourage or force any information sharing by that person's family with the feds or any questions whatsoever about that person's immigration status.
00:13:06.600So you could have somebody who is like a four-time drunk driver who's actually killed people and they won't call the feds and say, send him back to El Salvador.
00:13:17.940This one doesn't have to be on our watch.
00:13:20.240We don't really need to deal with this person over and over.
00:13:25.060And the leftists don't understand that this is a lure.
00:13:31.600This is a lure for these people to go to their cities.
00:13:34.560You'd be a fool to spend too much time in a place like Houston and not move to a place like San Francisco, where now they have multiple reasons not to put you within the long arm of the law.
00:13:47.440Your skin color, if you're from south of the border, and the fact that you're an illegal and somehow they see you as downtrodden and beaten down by the system before you've even ever become a part of it.
00:14:59.320And it had about 11 billion for the border here, right?
00:15:04.420It's why why is Ukraine getting 60 and we're getting a fraction of that for our border and we're supposed to celebrate it like it's a big win?
00:16:15.820That's the most we do is say, could you make it back in five, seven years for an asylum hearing?
00:16:22.020And when they don't show up, we do nothing.
00:16:24.220So we have a lot to learn from our friends, you know, over in Australia and elsewhere, if only we had the will and the financial result.
00:16:33.420Megan, the thing that I find very strange, and I think you're absolutely right.
00:16:36.880I actually don't think it is about money because, as you say, if there's 60 billion can be found for Ukraine, then there's money to be found in the system.
00:16:46.600And what I find very strange is, and I quote all these people in my book, all of the people on the left, the Hillary Clintons, Nancy Pelosi's, Barack Obama's, they used to sound to the right of Donald Trump on immigration within my lifetime.
00:17:04.180You know, I've been an adult for about 20 years.
00:17:06.540I remember it, in my lifetime, everybody on the left and everybody on the right used to agree that countries need borders, right?
00:17:14.920So that's where we come back to your idea that I've seen that a lot of people share, that this is about attempting to import more people who are going to vote for left-wing parties.
00:17:27.440And I guess I find it difficult to believe, but also easy to believe at the same time, because I can't imagine Joe Biden sitting in the Oval Office going, you know what, you know, stand down, we don't need a border, let's get more Democrats in.
00:17:41.360But on the other hand, I can't think of other better explanations, so I'm kind of stuck in this limbo.
00:17:47.340What I see is there's been an ideological shift in the last 20 years.
00:17:51.200So how do you, what do you think the balance of those two things is?
00:17:54.640Because I just see a lot of well-meaning people who don't seem to understand that actions have consequences, whereas a lot of people are now starting to suspect that this is deliberate.
00:18:05.300How do you try and work out which is which and which is more influential?
00:18:09.200Well, as I've said, I mean, there are Democrats all over the place on camera and in print saying, I need more people in my district to save myself from losing my re-election.
00:18:19.340I mean, I need an influx of people who are going to vote my way or population that says that they're Democrats in order for me to maintain my seat.
00:18:28.800So they see it as a plus and a smart move politically.
00:18:31.300And by the way, just look at how the Biden administration treats immigrants from Cuba.
00:18:35.300If you want to ask yourself whether this is ideological or not, those people tend to vote Republican when they come and assimilate and become American citizens.
00:18:46.240They're not interested in helping the Cubans.
00:18:47.920But, you know, from these other countries where you're just going to get hooked on government assistance, it's a very different attitude.
00:18:54.360So I really do think it's largely political.
00:18:57.320But of course, you're not wrong that now there really is a hierarchy with the Democrats, not all of them, but the leftists when it comes to skin color.
00:19:05.180And if you are anything, you know, any shade darker than lily white, you've got a role in the destitution derby that the Democrats pay attention to.
00:19:20.120You're on their list of oppressed and they've got some making up to you to do.
00:19:23.800So it could be, you know, in kindergarten schools here in America, it could be at the college level with the affirmative action program that was just struck down.
00:19:52.460But they don't care because on their list of hierarchy, you are now at the top and we've somehow wronged you just by skin color.
00:20:01.060And they've got, you know, the Robin DiAngelo mode of thinking of things to begin the conversation with an apology and end the conversation with an apology.
00:20:12.460Megan, when you talked about the overcorrection early, aren't you basically saying that actually this policy is going to be suicidal for the Democrats?
00:20:20.680Because I'm guessing for every illegal you import, there are going to be two Americans who are like, this isn't what we voted for.
00:20:29.340We're going to vote for Donald Trump or the Republican candidate at the next election.
00:20:34.280Isn't this going to create a massive backlash?
00:21:01.760That's entirely due to the busing program and plane program that governors like Greg Abbott of Texas are using to bus these migrants north to other cities, including sanctuary cities, so that places like New York and Chicago and Philly and elsewhere are getting a taste of their own medicine.
00:21:20.360And it's not just the Republican governors.
00:21:23.340Joe Biden is putting them on planes and flying them to a place like Westchester, New York, which is steps from where I am in the middle of the night.
00:21:30.260He just doesn't want people to know he's doing it.
00:21:32.080But he understands he's got to put them somewhere.
00:21:33.700And what's happening is, on paper, it's one thing to say, poor Texans, but, you know, Texas is pretty big and I live up here in beautiful Tony, New York City, and I don't really, it's somebody else's problem.
00:21:45.380I'm just going to feel bad for the migrants and it's somebody else's problem.
00:21:49.780Now you're having stories every day of those kids in Brooklyn who were kicked out of their school, did not get to go to school because they had to house illegals there.
00:22:01.360The kids in, I think it was Chicago, who, or maybe it was Philly, trying to remember, but whose rec center or their recreational center, which had been built by the town for at-risk youth.
00:22:13.800You know, these are like inner city kids who have nothing to do but go to the rec center and if they get kicked out of the rec center, they're probably not doing anything great on the street.
00:22:21.800Closed down because the migrants had to be in there.
00:22:24.660Or the videotape that went viral of the migrants, illegal migrants, beating the hell out of two New York City cops, kicking them in the face, kicking them in the stomach, severely hurting them as they were down on the ground, not letting up.
00:22:36.540And then when they got released immediately with no bail, flipping the double bird, the double bird to the cameras as they walked out, having flouted the system.
00:23:26.780This issue will destroy New York City, destroy New York City, 110,000 migrants with the feed, clothes, house, educate the children, wash their laundry sheets, give them everything they need.
00:23:50.280Healthcare, month after month, I stood up and I said, this is going to come to a neighborhood near you.
00:24:16.560Now we're getting people from all over the globe have made their minds up that they're going to come through the southern part of the border and come into New York City.
00:24:25.180So one by one, you're seeing the biggest leftists in the country say, we get it, please stop it.
00:24:32.680And going to Joe Biden saying, we need help.
00:24:36.000And what they're what now they're leftists.
00:24:37.980So they're not saying shore up the border.
00:24:41.060They're saying, give us more money so that we can house these people and expedite the work permit process.
00:24:48.680So all these people who flouted the law and came across the southern border illegally can jump to the front of the line, whereas that French family I just mentioned is going to wait for 10 years to get a green card or to be able to work legally in the United States.
00:25:02.300All of which is to say that people are feeling it in the blue cities now, both at the government level and at the citizenry level.
00:25:09.340And it is going to change how Joe Biden behaves, even if he wins reelection.
00:25:14.460Megan, I'm someone whose family comes from one of those countries, the migrant countries.
00:25:48.040So I don't understand how well-meaning people can't see that a huge influx of people is going to put an unsustainable amount of pressure on things like infrastructure and services.
00:26:05.020Well, not only that, we've missed, I have missed one of the biggest consequences of this, and that is the fentanyl crisis.
00:26:13.440It's not entirely driven by illegal immigrants, but largely and mostly there are some Americans who go down across the southern border or who just make it here.
00:26:23.780But illegal migrants are without question bringing boatloads of fentanyl across the southern border.
00:26:30.260The cartels send them over, the cartels get the fentanyl from the Chinese, and they put it in the pills, and then they come over here.
00:26:37.020And we had a big hearing on Capitol Hill last week with the tech executives from Snapchat, from X, from Facebook, slash Insta, Mark Zuckerberg.
00:26:46.800And one of the lines of inquiry was, these kids are using your products, your social media apps, to get drugs delivered to their doorstep in the middle of the night, the middle of the day, and one pill can kill.
00:27:02.040They think they're taking an Ambien, a Xanax, whatever, something to stay awake during an exam.
00:27:07.420It's laced with fentanyl, and they're dead off of one pill.
00:27:30.560It's going to become a problem for these people in the super zip.
00:27:33.300Their kid's going to go off to college and try one of those pills and die.
00:27:37.800Like, if we don't do something about this open border and the fentanyl crisis that comes with it, which is largely related, it's two separate things, but they're related, it's going to hit every community.
00:27:47.200We're already seeing more people die deaths from fentanyl per year in this country than we were having during the opioid crisis, that we were having during the crack cocaine crisis.
00:27:58.720And that goes across class, across race.
00:28:02.280It's touching virtually every family either has had something or knows someone who's had something with this problem.
00:28:08.480So it's just so far reaching, it can't be denied any longer.
00:28:13.420And just now you're starting to see the light bulb come on.
00:28:17.600And that's why it's going up the charts when you watch the polls on what the Democrats really care about.
00:28:22.080Because the fentanyl crisis is utterly heartbreaking.
00:29:23.580Again, to them, where is the humanity toward the rest of us who are law-abiding citizens who don't want to have our kids step over needles on the way to school?
00:29:34.420So that's another leftist policy that's really resulted.
00:29:37.400Again, it sounded so nice to open up the doors of these facilities and protect the civil liberties of those inside.
00:31:03.020It was something they thought was mild.
00:31:05.440And they were both laced with fentanyl.
00:31:07.720Both of her children were dead overnight after having come home stone sober.
00:31:12.660That's the kind of thing we're going to see more and more and more of it.
00:31:20.180And so I'm not going to say those kids made a good decision, you know, in trying a pill or ordering a pill from the internet, what have you.
00:31:27.160But there's no excuse for us to be accepting the people across the southern border who are delivering that poison to our young people.
00:31:38.220You know, it used to be maybe you had some bad pot and you'd be on like an extended trip that might not be great.
00:32:23.420And he talked about, I think it was his son-in-law, his daughter's boyfriend, who took an Adderall to work on some, used to edit video for him.
00:32:48.240One of the things I've been really enthused about in the early days of 2024 is what I see is the beginning of the demolition of the DEI bureaucracy.
00:33:00.060The idea you've been talking about, about a race hierarchy, you know, these people are to be given special treatment over these people.
00:33:09.100And it's been institutionalized in education and employment and government in all sorts of different ways.
00:33:14.240It feels to me, with what happened with Claudine Gay at Harvard, with what happened with Affirmative Action, that we are starting to finally realize that this is just a new form of racism that we have to reject if we're going to fulfill that beautiful dream of people being treated on the content of their character.
00:33:44.860I do think the Claudine Gay controversy was, you know, one of the death knells that was needed to DEI.
00:33:51.600And honestly, just the anti-Semitism on campus in the wake of the Israel attack, it just I mean, very powerful leftist Americans finally woke up and said, what the hell's happening?
00:34:02.860What why are why are people, you know, praising this?
00:34:15.140So it got it got people's attention in a way that was important to stopping this craziness.
00:34:20.220But I'll tell you, to me, my favorite incident that that shows this happened just the other week.
00:34:27.940You know, Mark Cuban, who owned the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, he he came on my show when I first launched the show back in September of 2020 and lectured me for an hour about how important civil rights are.
00:34:46.720Then we got to the part of the interview where we talked about his support of China and all the millions he's taking from China and the NBA is taking of China.
00:34:55.000Suddenly he wasn't wasn't a champion any longer of the very things he'd lectured me on, because it's fine to criticize the United States is terrible.
00:35:01.860But when you're getting hundreds of millions from the Chinese, I guess it's different.
00:35:05.500So Mark Cuban's out there still lecturing us all about DEI.
00:35:10.820It's very, very important, very important to have representation inside an organization.
00:35:17.040And I'm not going to say it's the deciding factor, but sure, a person's race, their skin color, their gender, that definitely could be the tipping point, you know, that that votes in their favor when I'm hiring someone.
00:35:28.640And by the way, the CEO of the Mavericks, who worked for him, is on camera saying exactly the same, that she came in, saw a disparity, too many whites, and made big changes.
00:35:38.800And now they're 50% minority and women.
00:36:10.520We just really want this one group that we don't have enough of.
00:36:13.040That's lovely, but you're not allowed to even consider it at all.
00:36:16.620And the most beautiful part of the story was, as he's owning it, trying to show you what a virtuous person he is, one of the commissioners of the EEOC, which is the federal organization that enforces employment laws like this, weighed in on X saying,
00:36:34.880yo, Mark Cuban, EEOC commissioner here, what you're doing is against the law.
00:36:48.500And she made the point that what just happened on college campuses striking down affirmative action only brings a college exception to that rule into line with the rule that's been present in employment for over 50 years.
00:37:05.160So, you know, people like, oh, they don't they forget.
00:37:10.060Kendi is telling us to do, correct past discrimination with present discrimination, is illegal in education, and it's definitely illegal in hiring.
00:37:19.920And if you happen to be a white man or someone who doesn't get the promotion and you can tell it's because a less qualified candidate got it thanks to skin color, thanks to heritage, thanks to gender.
00:37:33.900Sue, that's really what we listen to over here in America, the lawyers.
00:37:37.320And Megan, you obviously make a brilliant point, and I completely agree with it, but I think the bit sometimes that we miss, and we ought to emphasize too, is I don't obviously I don't know you that well.
00:37:47.660So I don't know if you've had this experience, but I'm guessing as a woman in your profession, you've probably been told, oh, you know what, we actually need a woman for this board, or we need a woman for this.
00:37:59.400And you've been offered things occasionally.
00:38:00.740I know female friends of mine in similar positions to yours who just feel so demeaned because they are talented and skilled and hardworking and they are where they are on merit, and yet they're being put or offered things simply because of their sex.
00:38:15.700And it's just so demeaning to the person who is getting that advantage in many situations.
00:38:20.480Oh yeah. I mean, I remember when I was at Fox News and Barack Obama was the president, they were going to have National Women's Day at the White House, and they were inviting all these top female reporters to go to the White House and, you know, ask a question or two of Barack Obama.
00:38:35.900And I said, you know what, I will go when you just want a great journalist at the White House.
00:38:41.040I'm not going because of my lady parts.
00:39:23.060It doesn't make me feel good in any way.
00:39:26.820It's an interesting point you make, Megan, because as with all of these ideas, you know, there was a time where things weren't great if you were a woman looking to get into a certain industry or if you're an ethnic minority.
00:39:41.080But I think we can all agree that things are much better than the way than how they used to be.
00:39:48.140I remember I imagine when you started out in your career, you were faced probably with quite a bit of sexism.
00:46:52.340And I think it's a really important message for people to hear, especially young people.
00:46:56.500They don't hear it from many sources at the moment.
00:46:59.220And the point you made about your kids, by the way, it's, you know, a lot of people, I have a young son and people, oh, it's such a hard time.
00:47:05.340You know, young men, this young men, that it's not untrue.
00:47:07.920You know, you've alluded to in the course of this conversation.
00:47:10.520I think there are a lot of people who have been openly discriminating against white men or straight white men with the evil, the most evil category that exists.
00:47:19.020However, the reality is, if you raise a generation of these people who think of themselves as victim and your child is not like that, they're actually going to clean up.
00:47:27.260And that's super exciting for people to hear that sort of attitude from someone in your position.
00:47:33.300Megan, we're going to move to questions from our supporters that go on Locals in a second.
00:47:37.260But I want to wrap up very quickly the main part of the interview.
00:47:41.260Very, very briefly, you talked about the election that's coming.
00:47:45.680I think it's clear now it's Trump versus Biden.
00:49:02.360And by the way, that one doesn't carry jail time.
00:49:04.660So he's kind of delayed all of these trials with motion practice to the point where I don't think they're going to be the big albatross around his neck that the Dems hoped.
00:49:27.280And even at this point, Trump's got a I think it's a 22 point advantage over Biden on the economy, 35 point advantage on him over immigration.
00:49:36.380Even with the economy starting to turn around, I just don't see people saying net net were my four years under Joe Biden better than they were under Donald Trump when he came to my wallet.
00:49:46.280There's no way they're going to say yes to that.
00:49:49.400It's not empirically true for virtually anyone.
00:49:54.520Even if Biden implemented Trump's immigration policies tomorrow, which he's not going to, no one's going to forget that he was the open borders president.
00:50:04.680He's the reason we've seen all this crime and all the things we discussed.
00:50:08.160So my gut tells me Joe Biden is in a downward spiral.
00:50:12.720Go ahead and look at videotape of him just from 2021 when he took office versus now.
00:50:17.520Many centuries ago, St. Augustine, a saint of my church, wrote that a people was a multitude defined by the common objects of their love, defined by the common objects of their love.
00:50:34.500What are the common objects we as Americans love that define us as Americans?
00:50:39.060I think we know opportunity, security, liberty, dignity, respect, honor.
00:50:48.020Right after I was elected, I went to what they call a G7 meeting, all the NATO leaders.
00:50:57.700I was in I was in the south of England.
00:51:00.800And I sat down and I said, America's back.
00:51:04.620And Neteran from Germany, I mean, from France, looked at me and said,
00:51:09.560I said, you know, what, why, how long are you back for?
00:51:18.360And you tell me how he's going to look even nine months from now and ask people to give him another four years.
00:51:24.180I don't think people are ready to do it.
00:51:26.300And Trump, even though he's had a couple of those memory problems himself, is still vibrant.
00:52:27.140This is a tougher issue than the last time, because when we talked the last time, I was still pretty new in the tenure of my show.
00:52:33.720But now I've been out there five days a week, two hours a day, and we're talking about this stuff.
00:52:39.340Like, I mean, not so long ago, I would have said how puberty blockers right into cross-sex hormones lead to sterility and no sexual pleasure for a child ever again.
00:52:51.340But I feel like we've done a pretty good job of getting the word out on that.
00:53:16.480People are still using preferred pronouns because they think it's respectful.
00:53:21.200And not enough people are coming out to explain how pronouns are rohypnol.
00:53:26.200It's the name of an article that was banned all over the internet a couple years ago.
00:53:30.840They dull your senses to what's actually happening and basically take away your principal argument when you see a man in a woman's swim lane.
00:53:39.860You can't say she doesn't belong there.
00:53:42.940You can't say she shouldn't be in the women's locker room.
00:53:47.060The rohypnol dulls you to get used to this incongruous combination and makes it somehow less problematic.