TRIGGERnometry - The Dems Want An Open Border - Megyn Kelly

00:00:00.720 The number of crossings across the southern border in 2020, his last year of being president, was around 400,000.

00:00:08.120 Now it's 3 million.

00:00:10.220 I just see a lot of well-meaning people who don't seem to understand that actions have consequences,

00:00:15.840 whereas a lot of people are now starting to suspect that this is deliberate.

00:00:20.180 There are Democrats all over the place, on camera and in print, saying,

00:00:24.020 I need more people in my district to save myself from losing my re-election.

00:00:28.760 But isn't this going to create a massive backlash?

00:00:31.920 100 percent. And it's already starting.

00:00:35.820 Megan, you're one of my favorite and most astute commentators in America.

00:00:40.020 And one of the things I love, and Francis and I, we come to America a lot,

00:00:43.740 is the can-do problem-solving spirit in America.

00:00:47.600 Like, when I come to the U.S., I feel like it's a place where people just solve problems.

00:00:52.220 They work stuff out. When things go wrong, they just get together and solve them.

00:00:56.460 And yet, as I'm watching from the outside and when I come to visit increasingly,

00:01:01.200 I mean, you guys don't have a southern border.

00:01:03.560 Illegal immigrants are beating up your cops and then walking out of jail the next day, 1.00

00:01:07.940 giving journalists the finger. 1.00

00:01:09.680 What the hell is going on?

00:01:11.240 So sometimes it's a little slow-moving, that instinct that you're talking about.

00:01:14.820 But eventually it kicks in.

00:01:16.460 And it could take an election cycle.

00:01:18.560 It could take a four-year presidential election cycle.

00:01:20.660 But eventually we will correct.

00:01:23.500 Typically how it goes is we err, we overcorrect,

00:01:27.500 and then we correct the overcorrection and land it where it ought to land.

00:01:31.080 And I think we're going through that in a couple of different things right now.

00:01:34.100 But certainly the rise in crime is one of them.

00:01:36.940 The border, I mean, that's just been such a hot mess.

00:01:39.560 And it's going to get solved.

00:01:41.540 I do think, I may be in the minority,

00:01:43.780 but I really do think that Trump is probably going to run away with it in 24.

00:01:50.200 And that'll be largely driven to this immigration mess. 1.00

00:01:53.100 Joe Biden can't fool the people with a last-minute deal

00:01:55.440 that has a ton of holes in it that he's really pro-border enforcement.

00:01:59.620 We know the truth.

00:02:01.700 You know, same thing on the racial essentialism,

00:02:03.840 on the gender madness.

00:02:05.100 Slowly but surely we're moving back to normal.

00:02:08.760 So that's a plus.

00:02:10.380 But, you know, it's not lightning speed.

00:02:12.660 It's interesting you say that because to a lot of people,

00:02:15.460 cynics perhaps, but most people would don't think,

00:02:17.880 I don't think share your optimism.

00:02:19.360 Most people would say you've got an election between two geriatric people

00:02:23.820 who've both been president for one term,

00:02:26.280 neither of whom fixed any of these issues.

00:02:28.320 Let's be honest.

00:02:29.000 Donald Trump talked about them but didn't really get on top of it.

00:02:32.680 Why are you so optimistic?

00:02:35.200 Well, he didn't fix them.

00:02:36.940 Look, Trump had a Republican Congress when he first took over,

00:02:40.040 so that not doing more of those first two years

00:02:41.960 can definitely be held against him.

00:02:43.640 However, the number of crossings across the southern border in 2020,

00:02:47.920 his last year of being president, was around 400,000.

00:02:51.940 Now it's 3 million.

00:02:54.240 There's no comparison.

00:02:55.800 You know, it's not an island.

00:02:58.480 So there's going to be some illegal crossings.

00:03:00.320 Getting it down to zero is probably a dream that we'll never attain,

00:03:04.260 with or without a wall, but he did do something.

00:03:07.480 He did a lot.

00:03:08.080 He didn't do as much as the end cultures of the world want. 0.99

00:03:10.140 I get it, nor that I would want to see.

00:03:12.640 But we were much better off under the Trump policies,

00:03:15.340 thanks to this guy, Stephen Miller, than we were once Biden took over.

00:03:18.980 And it's been reported in the New York Times,

00:03:20.920 made a decision to be, quote, more humane.

00:03:23.520 He wanted the world to see us as more humane.

00:03:25.960 And what did we get?

00:03:26.780 We got rape trees at the southern border,

00:03:28.720 where underage girls are literally tied up and raped repeatedly by gang members, 0.91

00:03:33.900 cartel members who are getting people across the border.

00:03:36.620 We got murders along the southern border. 0.86

00:03:38.760 We have Americans being beaten and robbed and murdered by illegals. 1.00

00:03:42.140 We have people from the terrorist watch list entering the country.

00:03:45.080 And none of this is humane in any way.

00:03:48.800 So it's just a typical liberal policy where, in words, it may sound good.

00:03:53.220 You like the appearance of being virtuous.

00:03:56.260 But in practice, a lot of people are getting hurt and treated incredibly unfairly.

00:04:02.160 I mean, we could go down the list of ways in which they've done this to us.

00:04:05.460 So, you know, that's my rant on that.

00:04:08.860 I remember, Megan, when we were talking to Adam Carolla,

00:04:11.900 and he summed it up very, very nicely, where he said,

00:04:15.200 if you want to do something illegally, you've basically got carte blanche.

00:04:19.620 But if you want to do something legally,

00:04:21.540 then the government are going to make it as difficult as possible for you.

00:04:25.460 That is insanity, surely.

00:04:27.980 That's certainly true when it comes to the border.

00:04:30.340 I'll just give you one example.

00:04:31.460 We met some friends in Paris, in Provence, a couple of, well, last summer.

00:04:37.720 And they wanted to come over to visit with their children.

00:04:41.120 And just, and they're really hoping to get a job here.

00:04:44.000 What they'd really like is to move to the United States and work here.

00:04:47.000 And the guy is a chef.

00:04:48.760 He cooks for a living.

00:04:49.700 They live very modestly in France.

00:04:52.260 And, you know, I said, you know what?

00:04:53.940 I'm sure you could probably get a job cooking over here.

00:04:56.180 They need people.

00:04:57.040 You know, we're looking for people.

00:04:58.820 Do you have any idea the amount of red tape they need to go through in order for him to

00:05:02.780 actually work legally here in the United States, jumping through the proper hoops? 0.68

00:05:07.320 It's ridiculous.

00:05:08.500 But, of course, if he would just fly to Mexico and sneak across the southern border, they would 0.90

00:05:14.220 give him a hotel.

00:05:15.720 They would give him a work card.

00:05:17.660 They would give him a food card.

00:05:19.860 Pretty soon, in some places, they'd be giving him a voting card.

00:05:23.560 They would roll out the red carpet for him.

00:05:25.560 I mean, I saw that.

00:05:26.160 That was a joke, actually, that Biden tore down the border wall and instead rolled out the red carpet

00:05:30.880 for the illegals.

00:05:33.120 So Adam's got a point, right?

00:05:34.760 If you try to jump through the hoops properly, it would probably take you years, years to get

00:05:38.720 a work permit here in the United States.

00:05:40.640 But right now, we've got Democrat governors in at least two or three states pushing to 0.59

00:05:44.560 expedite the process for the illegals who broke all the rules.

00:05:49.100 And, Megan, why are they doing this?

00:05:52.880 Well, I firmly believe it's because they want to change the voter rules.

00:05:56.220 I don't care if they call that the great replacement theory or what they want to call it.

00:06:00.280 They've been saying it for years, and I take them at their word.

00:06:03.220 I don't think it's about a racial thing.

00:06:05.380 I think they want new Democrats.

00:06:07.380 And they bring immigrants over. 0.99

00:06:09.000 They're banking on the immigrants being beholden to the government and stuck on government assistance. 0.99

00:06:15.020 And there's only one party that would like to keep you there forever, and that's Democrats.

00:06:18.980 And that you'll just, like a good little public assistance person, vote blue for the rest of

00:06:25.020 your existence.

00:06:25.520 And that's how they're going to change states like Texas, states like Arizona, states like

00:06:30.440 Georgia, in particular, those border states, from red to blue.

00:06:34.040 It's been happening.

00:06:35.140 They're on camera saying that this is the plan.

00:06:37.880 So I do believe that that's a large part of it, the most dominant part.

00:06:42.120 And then there is a liberal belief baked into certain leftists that that's just what we

00:06:49.380 do here in America, that we're, quote, a country of immigrants.

00:06:52.480 And there's something, there's a bit of a betrayal of our core principles if we keep

00:06:58.460 anybody out who wants to come here, not understanding at all what modern day America looks like and

00:07:04.660 how it functions and what's happening in these cities.

00:07:06.960 It's just a liberal utopia from people who live in penthouses in Manhattan and want to

00:07:12.620 feel good about themselves.

00:07:13.980 But they're not the ones who are going to get carjacked in the Bronx or have their farm 0.84

00:07:19.560 equipment raided in California or have their daughter raped in Texas.

00:07:26.660 So, you know, I don't know why they won't see reality, but they're starting to.

00:07:32.280 You know, thanks to the brilliant plan to bust these migrants, quote, unquote, it's illegal 1.00

00:07:35.980 immigrants north.

00:07:37.560 It's getting a little bit better and a little harder for them to ignore reality.

00:07:41.180 But I do think that sort of basic principle of we're America, you know, give us your hungry,

00:07:45.060 you're tired, you're poor, without any recognition that things have changed since Lady Liberty

00:07:49.720 went up.

00:07:51.160 What do you mean that things have changed?

00:07:53.360 I'm curious to get a kind of more fleshed out explanation, because I remember, you know,

00:07:58.020 I remember I was talking to I think the guy was originally from Pakistan when I was in

00:08:02.340 L.A. driving the Lyft that I was in, and he was kind of he made the point that I really

00:08:07.120 agreed with.

00:08:07.760 He said, you know, in Europe, people say, oh, Europeans are really intolerant and xenophobic.

00:08:12.380 And he was like, no, it's just less room.

00:08:14.520 Whereas in America, it's such a big country.

00:08:16.600 Everyone can come here.

00:08:17.680 Everyone can settle.

00:08:19.160 And that used to be, you know, a lot of people in America would have come in a sort of illegal

00:08:24.100 or semi-illegal way in the past and integrated.

00:08:26.840 And now they are part of the country, their children and grandchildren are part of the

00:08:30.980 country.

00:08:31.660 What has changed, in your opinion, that means that that is less true than it was in the

00:08:35.640 past?

00:08:37.080 Well, I'll quote that sage Homer Simpson, who stood at the banks of the Hudson River at

00:08:44.180 one point with a sign that read, go home, the country's full.

00:08:47.960 And while we're not full, our cities are overrun.

00:08:51.260 And these people are not moving to rural Kansas, like, you know, the frontiersmen and

00:08:56.040 trying to plant a land flag and build something and be productive citizens.

00:09:00.160 For the most part, they come across the border, they go to our big cities, and they live off 0.99

00:09:04.880 the government for the entirety of their stay here.

00:09:08.160 And that means me.

00:09:09.280 And that means my kids and my neighbor's kids and all of us who are productive and actually

00:09:13.860 adding to society have to support them.

00:09:16.740 They, for the most part, more and more are not wanting to immigrate in a way that would

00:09:21.240 allow the so-called melting pot.

00:09:23.040 That used to be how we were in America.

00:09:25.020 You know, I have grandparents who came from Italy, and I have grandparents who came from

00:09:28.720 Ireland.

00:09:31.780 And they came.

00:09:32.400 You had a joke by the moment there.

00:09:35.020 I blocked it out.

00:09:36.960 No, no.

00:09:37.360 I love my Irish roots.

00:09:38.840 But they didn't want to continue speaking Italian.

00:09:41.920 They didn't want to do all the same traditions here that they did back in the homeland.

00:09:46.220 They wanted to become Americans.

00:09:47.920 They didn't talk about themselves as Irish or Italian.

00:09:51.380 They talked about themselves as Americans.

00:09:53.500 They were thrilled to have this new identity.

00:09:56.320 It's very different now.

00:09:57.900 You know, the leftists don't want that.

00:09:59.860 They're teaching you not to love America, that America's evil.

00:10:02.420 In fact, they talk more and more about how it needs to be abolished. 0.94

00:10:05.540 It needs to be wiped out.

00:10:06.660 It's genocidal and all the rest of it.

00:10:08.440 So we're losing our shared cultural identity.

00:10:11.700 We're encouraging people to hold on to the identities of the countries from which they came.

00:10:16.480 We're not encouraging, like we used to here, pursuit of the American dream and hard work, assimilation, learn the language, make sure your kids learn the language, understand our customs, respect the country into which you've come. 0.96

00:10:29.680 We're not enforcing the rules that should govern respectable behavior like the law.

00:10:35.160 And even, you know, from small things like public urination to big things like hurting people, assault, murder.

00:10:43.400 Over and over, we give people a pass.

00:10:45.200 We don't hold them with bail.

00:10:46.420 We give them a slap on the wrist for serious crimes.

00:10:48.640 So there's a breakdown in the system overall that used to be in place and enforced, you know, 70 years ago when we were far more welcoming than we are today.

00:10:58.620 And that's the thing that's been shocking for me is to see the breakdown of law and order in the United States.

00:11:04.380 Because when I was growing up and we went, I went to the United States, I was always told, look, the police are much stricter here.

00:11:11.760 You know, you need to be careful.

00:11:14.440 You need to be very respectful, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:17.020 But you're looking at the states now and it just seems to be descending into chaos, to put it mildly.

00:11:24.120 Well, you do need to do all those things because you're a white man.

00:11:28.880 So good luck to you.

00:11:30.320 You're not allowed to do anything wrong.

00:11:32.360 Even the right things that you do will be held against you.

00:11:35.260 But I'm not really joking because, look, these migrants in particular get slapped on the wrist.

00:11:41.760 And if they're in a sanctuary city, all of which are leftist cities, then even if it's a serious crime, the local law enforcement will not tell the feds we have an illegal here who just violated a serious law, who just committed a felony.

00:11:57.020 Megan, can I stop you there?

00:11:58.400 Because there's a lot of people who are going to be listening to this who aren't American, who are not particularly au fait with this issue.

00:12:04.660 And you've just used the word sanctuary city.

00:12:07.100 And they're like, what does that mean?

00:12:09.140 So it's various cities.

00:12:10.540 They're all leftist cities.

00:12:11.500 New York is one of them.

00:12:12.720 Chicago is another where they refuse to cooperate with the federal government on immigration enforcement.

00:12:20.100 So what that says is if we capture an illegal immigrant, let's say they were DWI, they were driving while intoxicated. 0.93

00:12:28.380 We pull them over.

00:12:28.980 We capture them or they committed a serious felony.

00:12:31.860 You know, they committed assault and battery and we arrest them and we run their numbers, you know, their papers, whatever.

00:12:36.820 We figure out that they're here illegally. 0.84

00:12:37.820 We will not respond to ICE, the feds, the immigration, immigration arm at the federal level and tell them that you're here.

00:12:46.700 We will do nothing to facilitate your deportation.

00:12:49.160 And even if there's basically an order from the feds to turn such a person over, we will ignore it.

00:12:55.620 And we also won't encourage or force any information sharing by that person's family with the feds or any questions whatsoever about that person's immigration status.

00:13:06.600 So you could have somebody who is like a four-time drunk driver who's actually killed people and they won't call the feds and say, send him back to El Salvador.

00:13:17.940 This one doesn't have to be on our watch.

00:13:20.240 We don't really need to deal with this person over and over.

00:13:22.860 Send him home.

00:13:24.000 He won't respect our laws.

00:13:25.060 And the leftists don't understand that this is a lure.

00:13:31.600 This is a lure for these people to go to their cities.

00:13:34.560 You'd be a fool to spend too much time in a place like Houston and not move to a place like San Francisco, where now they have multiple reasons not to put you within the long arm of the law.

00:13:47.440 Your skin color, if you're from south of the border, and the fact that you're an illegal and somehow they see you as downtrodden and beaten down by the system before you've even ever become a part of it. 0.99

00:13:58.760 But that's lunacy, Megan. 1.00

00:14:01.220 So what you're essentially saying is government departments are not talking to each other and the system is fundamentally broken.

00:14:10.080 Oh, yeah.

00:14:10.720 And you see the numbers of somebody who eventually will go too far.

00:14:14.860 I mean, they'll commit a murder that gets national attention of like a 17-year-old girl.

00:14:22.080 And then people say, who is this person?

00:14:24.500 What was he doing here?

00:14:25.420 You know, it makes the news.

00:14:27.180 And then invariably you find out he's been deported five times.

00:14:30.420 There was one guy recently who had been caught illegally crossing the border 41 times.

00:14:36.100 41.

00:14:36.820 But still free to try it for a 40 second.

00:14:38.740 Nothing changes, in part because neither party will fund border enforcement.

00:14:46.320 It actually is going to require money.

00:14:50.220 And, you know, you look at that bill that just collapsed in the U.S. Senate.

00:14:54.080 It had 60 billion for Ukraine.

00:14:57.020 It had 15 billion for Israel.

00:14:59.320 And it had about 11 billion for the border here, right?

00:15:04.420 It's why why is Ukraine getting 60 and we're getting a fraction of that for our border and we're supposed to celebrate it like it's a big win?

00:15:13.920 They don't they don't want to do it.

00:15:16.140 I just I just had a long conversation the other day with Paul Murray of Sky News Australia.

00:15:20.100 Great guy.

00:15:20.700 And we were talking about what they do in Australia.

00:15:23.540 Now, that's an island.

00:15:24.820 So it's a little little easier.

00:15:26.840 You know, you don't have a porous southern border where people can just flood across.

00:15:29.140 But they do have a problem with Indonesia, some in China trying to get in Australia.

00:15:33.640 And they have full time military patrols up and down the coast that is most vulnerable.

00:15:39.980 And they make sure that their Navy and from the air, they spot any boats coming in.

00:15:45.220 Good luck getting into Australia as an illegal. 0.99

00:15:47.860 If they capture you, if they see your boat, they'll stop you.

00:15:50.040 They'll keep you on one of a couple islands offshore in a facility that's not great.

00:15:56.200 It's like they try to make it humane, but it's not the Four Seasons.

00:16:00.200 And it's a place that you'd really like to get out of.

00:16:02.800 You could be there for years, years, but you're not getting in.

00:16:07.460 The solution is not come on into Australia and in five or 10 years, come back for an asylum hearing.

00:16:12.980 Oh, you missed it.

00:16:13.840 Oh, well, bye.

00:16:14.920 That's what we're doing.

00:16:15.820 That's the most we do is say, could you make it back in five, seven years for an asylum hearing?

00:16:22.020 And when they don't show up, we do nothing.

00:16:24.220 So we have a lot to learn from our friends, you know, over in Australia and elsewhere, if only we had the will and the financial result.

00:16:33.420 Megan, the thing that I find very strange, and I think you're absolutely right.

00:16:36.880 I actually don't think it is about money because, as you say, if there's 60 billion can be found for Ukraine, then there's money to be found in the system.

00:16:44.640 It is a question of will.

00:16:46.600 And what I find very strange is, and I quote all these people in my book, all of the people on the left, the Hillary Clintons, Nancy Pelosi's, Barack Obama's, they used to sound to the right of Donald Trump on immigration within my lifetime.

00:17:02.320 My lifetime is not that long.

00:17:04.180 You know, I've been an adult for about 20 years.

00:17:06.540 I remember it, in my lifetime, everybody on the left and everybody on the right used to agree that countries need borders, right?

00:17:14.920 So that's where we come back to your idea that I've seen that a lot of people share, that this is about attempting to import more people who are going to vote for left-wing parties.

00:17:27.440 And I guess I find it difficult to believe, but also easy to believe at the same time, because I can't imagine Joe Biden sitting in the Oval Office going, you know what, you know, stand down, we don't need a border, let's get more Democrats in.

00:17:41.360 But on the other hand, I can't think of other better explanations, so I'm kind of stuck in this limbo.

00:17:47.340 What I see is there's been an ideological shift in the last 20 years.

00:17:51.200 So how do you, what do you think the balance of those two things is?

00:17:54.640 Because I just see a lot of well-meaning people who don't seem to understand that actions have consequences, whereas a lot of people are now starting to suspect that this is deliberate.

00:18:05.300 How do you try and work out which is which and which is more influential?

00:18:09.200 Well, as I've said, I mean, there are Democrats all over the place on camera and in print saying, I need more people in my district to save myself from losing my re-election.

00:18:19.340 I mean, I need an influx of people who are going to vote my way or population that says that they're Democrats in order for me to maintain my seat.

00:18:28.800 So they see it as a plus and a smart move politically.

00:18:31.300 And by the way, just look at how the Biden administration treats immigrants from Cuba.

00:18:35.300 If you want to ask yourself whether this is ideological or not, those people tend to vote Republican when they come and assimilate and become American citizens.

00:18:43.760 Very harsh on immigrants from Cuba.

00:18:46.240 They're not interested in helping the Cubans. 1.00

00:18:47.920 But, you know, from these other countries where you're just going to get hooked on government assistance, it's a very different attitude.

00:18:54.360 So I really do think it's largely political.

00:18:57.320 But of course, you're not wrong that now there really is a hierarchy with the Democrats, not all of them, but the leftists when it comes to skin color.

00:19:05.180 And if you are anything, you know, any shade darker than lily white, you've got a role in the destitution derby that the Democrats pay attention to.

00:19:17.520 They just assume you're downtrodden.

00:19:20.120 You're on their list of oppressed and they've got some making up to you to do.

00:19:23.800 So it could be, you know, in kindergarten schools here in America, it could be at the college level with the affirmative action program that was just struck down.

00:19:31.600 But they're finding ways around.

00:19:32.900 And it could be if you're an illegal immigrant who just sneaked across the border just to save yourself from a downtrodden economy.

00:19:41.240 That's a swear.

00:19:41.820 That's all it is.

00:19:42.880 OK, that's wonderful.

00:19:44.020 You have no right to be here.

00:19:45.880 There's a way of getting in if that's what you're fleeing.

00:19:48.380 Economic insecurity.

00:19:49.280 That's not a cause for asylum.

00:19:52.460 But they don't care because on their list of hierarchy, you are now at the top and we've somehow wronged you just by skin color.

00:20:01.060 And they've got, you know, the Robin DiAngelo mode of thinking of things to begin the conversation with an apology and end the conversation with an apology.

00:20:10.680 And their behavior reflects that.

00:20:12.460 Megan, when you talked about the overcorrection early, aren't you basically saying that actually this policy is going to be suicidal for the Democrats?

00:20:20.680 Because I'm guessing for every illegal you import, there are going to be two Americans who are like, this isn't what we voted for. 0.98

00:20:29.340 We're going to vote for Donald Trump or the Republican candidate at the next election.

00:20:34.280 Isn't this going to create a massive backlash?

00:20:37.420 One hundred percent.

00:20:38.700 And it's already starting.

00:20:40.560 I've been covering elections for a long time.

00:20:42.460 And immigration is always one of the top two or three issues for Republicans.

00:20:46.480 Always.

00:20:47.400 You know, 12, 15 years ago, terror was up there, too.

00:20:50.680 No longer.

00:20:52.180 Economy is usually number one.

00:20:54.220 Now, on the Dem side, immigration is more and more pulling at number two right after the economy.

00:21:00.320 Number two for the Dems.

00:21:01.760 That's entirely due to the busing program and plane program that governors like Greg Abbott of Texas are using to bus these migrants north to other cities, including sanctuary cities, so that places like New York and Chicago and Philly and elsewhere are getting a taste of their own medicine.

00:21:20.360 And it's not just the Republican governors.

00:21:23.340 Joe Biden is putting them on planes and flying them to a place like Westchester, New York, which is steps from where I am in the middle of the night.

00:21:30.260 He just doesn't want people to know he's doing it.

00:21:32.080 But he understands he's got to put them somewhere.

00:21:33.700 And what's happening is, on paper, it's one thing to say, poor Texans, but, you know, Texas is pretty big and I live up here in beautiful Tony, New York City, and I don't really, it's somebody else's problem.

00:21:45.380 I'm just going to feel bad for the migrants and it's somebody else's problem. 1.00

00:21:49.780 Now you're having stories every day of those kids in Brooklyn who were kicked out of their school, did not get to go to school because they had to house illegals there. 1.00

00:22:01.360 The kids in, I think it was Chicago, who, or maybe it was Philly, trying to remember, but whose rec center or their recreational center, which had been built by the town for at-risk youth.

00:22:13.800 You know, these are like inner city kids who have nothing to do but go to the rec center and if they get kicked out of the rec center, they're probably not doing anything great on the street.

00:22:21.800 Closed down because the migrants had to be in there. 1.00

00:22:24.660 Or the videotape that went viral of the migrants, illegal migrants, beating the hell out of two New York City cops, kicking them in the face, kicking them in the stomach, severely hurting them as they were down on the ground, not letting up.

00:22:36.540 And then when they got released immediately with no bail, flipping the double bird, the double bird to the cameras as they walked out, having flouted the system.

00:22:43.800 And then they fled.

00:22:45.000 They got the hell out of New York.

00:22:46.460 And now they're trying to collect.

00:22:47.660 So bit by bit, people are seeing those things in their own communities, feeling those things.

00:22:54.600 You've got the governor of Illinois, a complete leftist, literally saying, mercy, mercy, please stop sending them.

00:23:03.740 You've got the New York City mayor saying, I've never been so scared in my life.

00:23:09.520 I don't know how this ends.

00:23:11.120 We can't handle it.

00:23:12.180 The city's facing collapse.

00:23:14.060 If this keeps going.

00:23:16.020 Never in my life have I had a problem that I did not see an end into.

00:23:22.380 I don't see an end into this.

00:23:25.180 I don't see an end into this.

00:23:26.780 This issue will destroy New York City, destroy New York City, 110,000 migrants with the feed, clothes, house, educate the children, wash their laundry sheets, give them everything they need. 1.00

00:23:50.280 Healthcare, month after month, I stood up and I said, this is going to come to a neighborhood near you.

00:23:57.000 Well, we're here.

00:23:58.740 We're here.

00:23:59.320 We're getting 10,000 migrants a month.

00:24:04.240 One time we were just in Venezuela.

00:24:08.340 Now we're in Ecuador.

00:24:10.780 Now we're in Russian speaking coming through Mexico.

00:24:13.960 Now we're in Western Africa.

00:24:16.560 Now we're getting people from all over the globe have made their minds up that they're going to come through the southern part of the border and come into New York City.

00:24:25.180 So one by one, you're seeing the biggest leftists in the country say, we get it, please stop it.

00:24:32.680 And going to Joe Biden saying, we need help.

00:24:36.000 And what they're what now they're leftists.

00:24:37.980 So they're not saying shore up the border.

00:24:40.040 Not yet.

00:24:41.060 They're saying, give us more money so that we can house these people and expedite the work permit process.

00:24:48.680 So all these people who flouted the law and came across the southern border illegally can jump to the front of the line, whereas that French family I just mentioned is going to wait for 10 years to get a green card or to be able to work legally in the United States.

00:25:02.300 All of which is to say that people are feeling it in the blue cities now, both at the government level and at the citizenry level.

00:25:09.340 And it is going to change how Joe Biden behaves, even if he wins reelection.

00:25:14.460 Megan, I'm someone whose family comes from one of those countries, the migrant countries.

00:25:21.140 My mother's from Venezuela.

00:25:22.420 We've got one of the largest migrant populations in the world.

00:25:26.080 I have family members who have had to flee Venezuela because they were journalists and they criticized Maduro's regime.

00:25:34.100 But even I understand that there needs to be checks and balances when it comes to immigration.

00:25:40.200 You can't literally open the door and say to a country like Venezuela, anyone can come in.

00:25:46.560 That's just not workable.

00:25:48.040 So I don't understand how well-meaning people can't see that a huge influx of people is going to put an unsustainable amount of pressure on things like infrastructure and services.

00:26:03.360 It's just common sense.

00:26:05.020 Well, not only that, we've missed, I have missed one of the biggest consequences of this, and that is the fentanyl crisis.

00:26:13.440 It's not entirely driven by illegal immigrants, but largely and mostly there are some Americans who go down across the southern border or who just make it here.

00:26:23.780 But illegal migrants are without question bringing boatloads of fentanyl across the southern border.

00:26:30.260 The cartels send them over, the cartels get the fentanyl from the Chinese, and they put it in the pills, and then they come over here. 0.98

00:26:37.020 And we had a big hearing on Capitol Hill last week with the tech executives from Snapchat, from X, from Facebook, slash Insta, Mark Zuckerberg.

00:26:46.800 And one of the lines of inquiry was, these kids are using your products, your social media apps, to get drugs delivered to their doorstep in the middle of the night, the middle of the day, and one pill can kill.

00:27:02.040 They think they're taking an Ambien, a Xanax, whatever, something to stay awake during an exam.

00:27:07.420 It's laced with fentanyl, and they're dead off of one pill.

00:27:12.120 That is part of this problem.

00:27:14.980 And so, you know, if you are living, you know, I live in what's called a super zip, right?

00:27:20.980 Like, it's a very wealthy town.

00:27:23.680 These people don't think this is ever going to be a problem for them, right?

00:27:27.540 They think this is somebody else's issue.

00:27:29.660 You know what?

00:27:30.180 You know what?

00:27:30.560 It's going to become a problem for these people in the super zip.

00:27:33.300 Their kid's going to go off to college and try one of those pills and die.

00:27:37.800 Like, if we don't do something about this open border and the fentanyl crisis that comes with it, which is largely related, it's two separate things, but they're related, it's going to hit every community.

00:27:47.200 We're already seeing more people die deaths from fentanyl per year in this country than we were having during the opioid crisis, that we were having during the crack cocaine crisis.

00:27:58.720 And that goes across class, across race.

00:28:02.280 It's touching virtually every family either has had something or knows someone who's had something with this problem.

00:28:08.480 So it's just so far reaching, it can't be denied any longer.

00:28:13.420 And just now you're starting to see the light bulb come on.

00:28:17.600 And that's why it's going up the charts when you watch the polls on what the Democrats really care about.

00:28:22.080 Because the fentanyl crisis is utterly heartbreaking.

00:28:27.960 And it affects every city in America.

00:28:31.200 When you're walking down the street, you'll just see someone literally splayed out in front of you.

00:28:37.580 And you look at them and you think, are you dead?

00:28:39.480 Are you alive?

00:28:41.460 What's actually happening here?

00:28:43.000 And then people just walk past.

00:28:45.560 And you go, there is something broken with American society where that is just a common occurrence.

00:28:53.480 Yeah.

00:28:53.840 But there's no question.

00:28:55.240 I mean, it used to be just in the major cities and it was the 1970s.

00:28:58.220 And then we had tough on crime prosecutors come in and clean up the cities and enforce the drug laws and also arrest.

00:29:07.700 I mean, nine times out of ten, these people get arrested because they've committed a crime while on drugs.

00:29:11.740 But it works.

00:29:13.300 Strict law enforcement is actually quite effective at cleaning up the streets.

00:29:16.740 And we also had mental health facilities.

00:29:18.820 We had places to which people could be confined.

00:29:21.680 And we decided that was inhumane.

00:29:23.580 Again, to them, where is the humanity toward the rest of us who are law-abiding citizens who don't want to have our kids step over needles on the way to school?

00:29:34.420 So that's another leftist policy that's really resulted.

00:29:37.400 Again, it sounded so nice to open up the doors of these facilities and protect the civil liberties of those inside.

00:29:42.900 What about our civil liberties?

00:29:44.580 It's another thing.

00:29:45.180 We can't jail the school's shooters, even if you know that they're threatening to commit a school shooting

00:29:50.820 and the parent has identified them as a sociopath because of their civil liberties.

00:29:54.080 What about my civil liberties?

00:29:55.520 Those of my kids?

00:29:56.760 Do they matter?

00:29:57.320 Not at all.

00:29:58.000 Just all these policies that look good on paper but went in practice wind up hurting people.

00:30:04.800 One other quick story, if I may.

00:30:06.600 Yeah, of course.

00:30:07.440 I interviewed a mom a couple years ago who had two sons who were high school stars on the football team.

00:30:16.220 They both went off to college.

00:30:17.460 They were only two years apart.

00:30:18.980 They came back home from college one night.

00:30:21.320 And she waited.

00:30:22.820 They went to a party and she waited until they got home, like most parents still do, even if their kids are in college.

00:30:28.640 And they were fine.

00:30:29.900 And they were two boys.

00:30:31.480 So she kissed them goodnight and went to sleep.

00:30:34.380 In the morning she woke up, she found the one son dead.

00:30:39.340 She had no idea how it had happened, what went wrong.

00:30:43.320 She was trying to shake him.

00:30:44.300 She was trying to wake him up.

00:30:45.240 She was in a full panic.

00:30:46.300 So she ran to the other son's room to get help.

00:30:48.060 He was in his bed dead as well.

00:30:50.800 Both boys had called somebody or used the internet to get a delivery of pills, something that they thought was harmless, not some OD.

00:31:01.040 They weren't looking to do hard coke.

00:31:03.020 It was something they thought was mild.

00:31:05.440 And they were both laced with fentanyl.

00:31:07.720 Both of her children were dead overnight after having come home stone sober.

00:31:12.660 That's the kind of thing we're going to see more and more and more of it.

00:31:20.180 And so I'm not going to say those kids made a good decision, you know, in trying a pill or ordering a pill from the internet, what have you.

00:31:27.160 But there's no excuse for us to be accepting the people across the southern border who are delivering that poison to our young people.

00:31:38.220 You know, it used to be maybe you had some bad pot and you'd be on like an extended trip that might not be great.

00:31:44.700 Now you're dead within moments.

00:31:47.100 This woman's whole family wiped out in seconds. 1.00

00:31:49.820 So it's not sustainable, you know, for all the reasons that we've been discussing.

00:31:55.420 Yeah, and there are a lot of people who have been saying that about the cocaine in New York.

00:32:00.940 Now you can say you shouldn't take cocaine and whatever else, but people are going to do it.

00:32:05.880 But you just can't have people taking what they see as a drug and then just wiping out schools of people in one night.

00:32:15.660 And we just interviewed actually a guy called Michael Francis, who's a former, you know, Michael.

00:32:22.040 Yeah, former mob guy.

00:32:23.420 And he talked about, I think it was his son-in-law, his daughter's boyfriend, who took an Adderall to work on some, used to edit video for him.

00:32:32.720 And again, dropped dead on the floor.

00:32:34.260 So this is absolutely crazy.

00:32:36.140 But Megan, we've taken you down a very dark and negative and pessimistic direction.

00:32:40.500 That's because we're British.

00:32:41.420 That's what we do, trying to be a little bit more American about it.

00:32:46.060 You talked about the pushback.

00:32:48.240 One of the things I've been really enthused about in the early days of 2024 is what I see is the beginning of the demolition of the DEI bureaucracy.

00:33:00.060 The idea you've been talking about, about a race hierarchy, you know, these people are to be given special treatment over these people.

00:33:09.100 And it's been institutionalized in education and employment and government in all sorts of different ways.

00:33:14.240 It feels to me, with what happened with Claudine Gay at Harvard, with what happened with Affirmative Action, that we are starting to finally realize that this is just a new form of racism that we have to reject if we're going to fulfill that beautiful dream of people being treated on the content of their character.

00:33:31.300 How do you think it goes from here?

00:33:32.960 Yeah, I agree.

00:33:35.080 We've we've turned that aircraft carrier around and it's just going to take some time for the steam in the other direction to get going.

00:33:42.360 But we've turned it.

00:33:43.120 It's it's people get it now.

00:33:44.860 I do think the Claudine Gay controversy was, you know, one of the death knells that was needed to DEI. 0.80

00:33:51.600 And honestly, just the anti-Semitism on campus in the wake of the Israel attack, it just I mean, very powerful leftist Americans finally woke up and said, what the hell's happening?

00:34:02.860 What why are why are people, you know, praising this?

00:34:06.160 How can they not see this as terror?

00:34:08.120 Why are they all over Snapchat praising Osama bin Laden?

00:34:11.940 He's got some really good ideas.

00:34:13.980 That's what was happening.

00:34:15.140 So it got it got people's attention in a way that was important to stopping this craziness.

00:34:20.220 But I'll tell you, to me, my favorite incident that that shows this happened just the other week.

00:34:27.940 You know, Mark Cuban, who owned the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, he he came on my show when I first launched the show back in September of 2020 and lectured me for an hour about how important civil rights are.

00:34:40.860 BLM. 0.71

00:34:41.460 Yeah, go go civil rights. 0.97

00:34:43.360 Go BLM.

00:34:44.400 America's problematic.

00:34:45.740 Can't be afraid to speak out.

00:34:46.720 Then we got to the part of the interview where we talked about his support of China and all the millions he's taking from China and the NBA is taking of China.

00:34:53.100 And he went oddly silent.

00:34:55.000 Suddenly he wasn't wasn't a champion any longer of the very things he'd lectured me on, because it's fine to criticize the United States is terrible.

00:35:01.860 But when you're getting hundreds of millions from the Chinese, I guess it's different.

00:35:05.500 So Mark Cuban's out there still lecturing us all about DEI.

00:35:10.820 It's very, very important, very important to have representation inside an organization.

00:35:17.040 And I'm not going to say it's the deciding factor, but sure, a person's race, their skin color, their gender, that definitely could be the tipping point, you know, that that votes in their favor when I'm hiring someone.

00:35:28.640 And by the way, the CEO of the Mavericks, who worked for him, is on camera saying exactly the same, that she came in, saw a disparity, too many whites, and made big changes.

00:35:38.800 And now they're 50% minority and women. 0.99

00:35:42.380 Guess what?

00:35:43.940 That's illegal.

00:35:45.760 It's completely illegal.

00:35:48.340 I used to practice law for 10 years, and I did a lot of this kind of work.

00:35:51.100 But the federal anti-discrimination laws do not allow the discrimination on the basis of race or gender in order to help whites or blacks.

00:36:01.800 That's just the way it is.

00:36:03.320 You can't do it because you say, well, we want more of the downtrodden. 0.98

00:36:07.620 We want more of the historically oppressed. 0.88

00:36:09.300 We want more Native Americans.

00:36:10.520 We just really want this one group that we don't have enough of.

00:36:13.040 That's lovely, but you're not allowed to even consider it at all.

00:36:16.620 And the most beautiful part of the story was, as he's owning it, trying to show you what a virtuous person he is, one of the commissioners of the EEOC, which is the federal organization that enforces employment laws like this, weighed in on X saying,

00:36:34.880 yo, Mark Cuban, EEOC commissioner here, what you're doing is against the law.

00:36:40.640 No, it can't be a little factor.

00:36:43.220 It can't be a big factor.

00:36:44.540 It can't be any factor at all.

00:36:48.500 And she made the point that what just happened on college campuses striking down affirmative action only brings a college exception to that rule into line with the rule that's been present in employment for over 50 years.

00:37:05.160 So, you know, people like, oh, they don't they forget.

00:37:07.800 This is unlawful.

00:37:08.700 What Ibram X.

00:37:10.060 Kendi is telling us to do, correct past discrimination with present discrimination, is illegal in education, and it's definitely illegal in hiring.

00:37:19.920 And if you happen to be a white man or someone who doesn't get the promotion and you can tell it's because a less qualified candidate got it thanks to skin color, thanks to heritage, thanks to gender.

00:37:32.080 Sue, file a lawsuit.

00:37:33.900 Sue, that's really what we listen to over here in America, the lawyers.

00:37:37.320 And Megan, you obviously make a brilliant point, and I completely agree with it, but I think the bit sometimes that we miss, and we ought to emphasize too, is I don't obviously I don't know you that well.

00:37:47.660 So I don't know if you've had this experience, but I'm guessing as a woman in your profession, you've probably been told, oh, you know what, we actually need a woman for this board, or we need a woman for this.

00:37:59.400 And you've been offered things occasionally.

00:38:00.740 I know female friends of mine in similar positions to yours who just feel so demeaned because they are talented and skilled and hardworking and they are where they are on merit, and yet they're being put or offered things simply because of their sex.

00:38:15.700 And it's just so demeaning to the person who is getting that advantage in many situations.

00:38:20.480 Oh yeah. I mean, I remember when I was at Fox News and Barack Obama was the president, they were going to have National Women's Day at the White House, and they were inviting all these top female reporters to go to the White House and, you know, ask a question or two of Barack Obama.

00:38:35.900 And I said, you know what, I will go when you just want a great journalist at the White House.

00:38:41.040 I'm not going because of my lady parts.

00:38:43.600 It is insulting. It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:38:45.520 And honestly, like, people do it to this day, even the ones who mean it as a compliment. 0.79

00:38:50.120 I was at some seminar and they said something like, one of the highest paid female journalists in the country.

00:38:58.220 And I looked at them and I said, you don't have to say female.

00:39:03.320 And I honestly, like, I didn't mean it as swagger, you know, it is a little swagger, but I meant it as like, just stop that nonsense.

00:39:10.820 Like, I don't want that qualifier in anything.

00:39:12.860 If I don't get there, if I don't get to the top in anything I'm doing, irrespective of the female thing, then don't name me.

00:39:18.880 And if I do get to the top, then don't say female.

00:39:21.840 It's a diminishment.

00:39:23.060 It doesn't make me feel good in any way.

00:39:26.820 It's an interesting point you make, Megan, because as with all of these ideas, you know, there was a time where things weren't great if you were a woman looking to get into a certain industry or if you're an ethnic minority.

00:39:41.080 But I think we can all agree that things are much better than the way than how they used to be.

00:39:48.140 I remember I imagine when you started out in your career, you were faced probably with quite a bit of sexism.

00:39:54.140 Oh, yeah.

00:39:56.060 I mean, sure.

00:39:57.340 I mean, I graduated from law school in 1995.

00:40:00.400 And even those summer internships I did from 92 to 95 were, they were interesting.

00:40:05.420 You know, these old school lawyers.

00:40:07.880 Honestly, it was like, I have to say, most of the time I laughed at it.

00:40:12.660 And then I started practicing law.

00:40:14.060 And I was the only lawyer, the only female lawyer in an all-male lawyer office. 0.54

00:40:20.120 And there was a senior partner who was much, much older.

00:40:22.660 And he kept asking me to copy cases for him.

00:40:25.740 And that wasn't my job.

00:40:26.580 My job was to read cases and analyze them and represent clients.

00:40:29.760 You had the paralegal copies the cases.

00:40:32.580 And he did not ask the male lawyers to copy the cases for him.

00:40:35.940 And so I just resolved.

00:40:37.260 I was only 24, 25 years old.

00:40:39.640 I said, the next time he asked me to copy one of those cases, I'm going to say something.

00:40:43.340 And sure enough, he did it.

00:40:45.020 And I went to his office and I said, if you want me to copy a case for you so that we can

00:40:49.840 discuss it and we can strategize over how it folds into our case or our brief, I'm happy

00:40:54.160 to do that.

00:40:55.060 If you just want me to copy you a case because you need me to perform a secretarial role,

00:40:59.320 ask your secretary or ask a paralegal.

00:41:02.400 Well, he was apoplectic.

00:41:04.700 This guy, he couldn't believe the disrespect.

00:41:07.760 And he said, do you think this senior partner copies his own case?

00:41:11.200 Do you think this guy's copies?

00:41:12.400 And I said, no, I think they have their secretaries do it. 0.82

00:41:15.360 And that was it.

00:41:16.640 I turned on my heel and I walked out.

00:41:18.700 And of course I was like, I'm going to get fired.

00:41:20.860 He's totally going to fire me.

00:41:21.820 He's going to fire me.

00:41:22.940 You know what happened?

00:41:23.880 He called up the named partner of the firm to complain about me.

00:41:27.900 And the named partner of the firm said, if you ever ask another associate of this

00:41:32.840 firm to spend their time copying cases for you, it will be the last decision you

00:41:36.700 make here.

00:41:37.880 So they took my side.

00:41:39.700 So it was just a good lesson early on.

00:41:41.460 I didn't involve upper management.

00:41:43.340 I didn't involve anybody. 1.00

00:41:44.840 I just said to myself, I'm going to go in there and tell him this is bullshit. 1.00

00:41:48.880 Get your shit together. 1.00

00:41:50.040 I'm not doing your cases. 1.00

00:41:51.420 And you know what?

00:41:51.980 It was a good lesson early on on how to handle that.

00:41:55.660 I didn't get irate.

00:41:57.040 I didn't file a complaint against the guy.

00:41:59.520 It's fine.

00:42:00.060 And most people with a slight brushback will move right on and be like, they'll take the

00:42:06.480 lesson and know they won't hold it against you.

00:42:08.940 I really wish more young women would be told that and take that to heart rather than trying

00:42:14.420 to make a federal case out of every slight, no matter how small.

00:42:18.080 By the way, you build no muscles by doing it another way, by calling in the boss, by playing

00:42:22.860 the victim, by crying in your soup.

00:42:24.800 What was me?

00:42:25.360 Well, my lady parts cost me that this, you know, forget it. 1.00

00:42:29.160 It's a chance to grow and show to yourself how strong you can be.

00:42:33.360 But the problem is, Megan, that generation are not being taught that that isn't the message

00:42:39.700 that is being instilled in them.

00:42:41.120 The message that is being instilled in them is you're a victim.

00:42:44.620 This is an oppressor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:42:48.020 Oh, yeah.

00:42:48.740 And I mean, look, they can go that route.

00:42:51.320 Let's see how that works out for them.

00:42:53.120 These are not tomorrow's leaders.

00:42:54.260 That's pretty apparent to anybody who's watching them come up.

00:42:58.460 And my only hope is that those of us who are raising our kids that way, our children

00:43:02.980 are going to have such an advantage in life and navigating the world.

00:43:06.620 Because no matter how far we've come, women are still going to bump into sexists. 1.00

00:43:12.320 People of color are still going to bump into racists.

00:43:14.860 You know, no matter how much progress we make, they're still going to be out there.

00:43:17.680 And the question is, what are you going to do about it?

00:43:19.940 You know, you can sit around and feel like an oppressed minority, whatever your situation

00:43:24.140 is, or you can just laugh at it and find your own empowerment.

00:43:28.600 You know, I was listening to Glenn Lowry the other day, who I love, economics professor at

00:43:32.420 Brown, formerly of Harvard, black man.

00:43:34.280 And he was applauding the affirmative action decision and saying his feeling when he sees

00:43:42.720 affirmative action is, how dare you rob me of my dignity?

00:43:47.680 How dare you rob me of my dignity and make me have to wrestle with other people's doubts

00:43:56.060 about how I got here?

00:43:57.760 I was a brilliant kid.

00:43:59.780 A little bit like the Matt Damon character in Good Will Hunting.

00:44:03.180 You know, I was a working class kid.

00:44:05.040 I didn't have a lot of polish, but I had real, real sharp smarts.

00:44:09.160 My life took a various turn.

00:44:10.640 I was a father at 18 and at 19 and at 21 and dropped out of college and whatnot and bounced

00:44:16.180 around community college, got discovered like Matt Damon in the movie.

00:44:20.040 Ended up at Northwestern University where I was a wizard.

00:44:22.520 I was taking the PhD level courses in these technical subjects and acing them.

00:44:27.760 Went to MIT where I was at the top of my class.

00:44:30.440 Again, forgive this, but I want you to try to understand the point.

00:44:34.400 So my genius, yes, I said it.

00:44:37.620 My gift, my extraordinary abilities were what carried me forward, notwithstanding the vicissitudes

00:44:47.260 of racism and discrimination in America.

00:44:49.900 To have that minimized by somebody presuming that, oh, you didn't get to MIT without affirmative

00:44:56.600 action.

00:44:56.880 And it's actually true.

00:44:58.380 I didn't get to MIT without affirmative action because every Black person is going to be the 1.00

00:45:02.040 beneficiary of affirmative action, whether they ask for it, need it or not.

00:45:07.180 MIT had three positions set aside in its entering class.

00:45:11.760 And those three were to be Black students of the greatest promise.

00:45:14.580 I was one of them in the year that I came in, even though I didn't need to be in that box

00:45:18.920 in order to get in because I had A's in everything.

00:45:21.920 In the PhD level courses I was taking at Northwestern, my professors were writing letters saying that

00:45:26.020 I was the best student they'd ever seen because I was.

00:45:29.360 Again, I ask for your forbearance as I toot my own horn here. 0.99

00:45:33.820 God damn it. 0.97

00:45:35.620 Don't dishonor my amazing achievement by chalking it up to favoritism. 0.99

00:45:40.780 I resent it.

00:45:42.440 I don't like it.

00:45:43.760 I don't need it.

00:45:44.560 I don't want it.

00:45:46.340 That's not a political position.

00:45:48.940 I'm defending my own dignity here.

00:45:52.120 So you're going to call me a sellout because I'm defending my dignity. 1.00

00:45:55.840 Fuck you. 1.00

00:45:58.360 I mean, please, will you get your hands off of my dignity? 1.00

00:46:02.120 Let me succeed or fail based upon my abilities.

00:46:05.400 Don't patronize me. 0.99

00:46:06.860 God damn it. 0.99

00:46:08.260 That's how I feel, too. 1.00

00:46:10.080 Just, you know, stop.

00:46:11.780 Stop discriminating on the basis of race.

00:46:13.800 Stop discriminating on the basis of gender to help or to hurt any particular group.

00:46:18.080 And if you happen to find yourself in a position of being attacked for one of those reasons,

00:46:23.380 try to pick yourself, dutch yourself off and move forward, move through it.

00:46:27.000 If it's pervasive and you can't get past it without involving the lawyers, then you do that.

00:46:30.920 But that should be the last instinct, not the first.

00:46:32.700 Just too many times now, people go out immediately and try to file a lawsuit.

00:46:38.180 It's like, like I said, the thing with the case files and the guys, sometimes all they need is a polite brushback.

00:46:44.620 And they're better and you're better.

00:46:46.020 And that guy went on to become one of my best mentors at that firm.

00:46:48.560 Wow, that's incredible.

00:46:50.960 It's such a beautiful story.

00:46:52.340 And I think it's a really important message for people to hear, especially young people.

00:46:56.500 They don't hear it from many sources at the moment.

00:46:59.220 And the point you made about your kids, by the way, it's, you know, a lot of people, I have a young son and people, oh, it's such a hard time.

00:47:05.340 You know, young men, this young men, that it's not untrue.

00:47:07.920 You know, you've alluded to in the course of this conversation.

00:47:10.520 I think there are a lot of people who have been openly discriminating against white men or straight white men with the evil, the most evil category that exists.

00:47:19.020 However, the reality is, if you raise a generation of these people who think of themselves as victim and your child is not like that, they're actually going to clean up.

00:47:27.260 And that's super exciting for people to hear that sort of attitude from someone in your position.

00:47:33.300 Megan, we're going to move to questions from our supporters that go on Locals in a second.

00:47:37.260 But I want to wrap up very quickly the main part of the interview.

00:47:41.260 Very, very briefly, you talked about the election that's coming.

00:47:45.680 I think it's clear now it's Trump versus Biden.

00:47:50.180 Very, very clear.

00:47:52.660 You, is it wishful thinking or are you that super confident that Trump is going to win?

00:48:00.080 It's not about what I desire.

00:48:02.560 It's about what I actually think will happen.

00:48:04.560 It's not to say, look, it's not a guarantee.

00:48:07.720 I mean, the Democrats have a great, great get out the vote machine.

00:48:11.060 The early mailing situation with the ballots is a huge advantage to them.

00:48:16.040 Republicans very reluctant to take advantage of the change in voting rules that were put in place during COVID.

00:48:21.860 And that's to their disadvantage.

00:48:23.020 If they really need to get on board the mail-in ballots or, you know, they're risking another election.

00:48:27.400 I do think eventually they'll get there.

00:48:31.800 And Trump's got some legal troubles that will dominate some of the news cycle over the next nine months.

00:48:37.700 But things are looking up for Trump on that front.

00:48:40.680 Three out of the four trials don't look like they're going to happen before the election.

00:48:46.940 And the one that will likely happen is the most BS of them all.

00:48:50.540 It's the you paid off a porn star to not talk about your affair and you didn't document it on your company books as pay off to porn star.

00:48:58.620 Which, OK, maybe he'll be convicted.

00:49:01.480 No one's going to care.

00:49:02.360 And by the way, that one doesn't carry jail time.

00:49:04.660 So he's kind of delayed all of these trials with motion practice to the point where I don't think they're going to be the big albatross around his neck that the Dems hoped.

00:49:15.340 There's one that could still go.

00:49:17.100 It's not a guarantee, but Trump's on his way to pulling an inside straight here on that.

00:49:22.560 Biden, all he needs is one fall and it's over.

00:49:26.680 That's it.

00:49:27.280 And even at this point, Trump's got a I think it's a 22 point advantage over Biden on the economy, 35 point advantage on him over immigration.

00:49:36.380 Even with the economy starting to turn around, I just don't see people saying net net were my four years under Joe Biden better than they were under Donald Trump when he came to my wallet.

00:49:46.280 There's no way they're going to say yes to that.

00:49:49.400 It's not empirically true for virtually anyone.

00:49:53.260 And same on immigration.

00:49:54.520 Even if Biden implemented Trump's immigration policies tomorrow, which he's not going to, no one's going to forget that he was the open borders president.

00:50:04.680 He's the reason we've seen all this crime and all the things we discussed.

00:50:08.160 So my gut tells me Joe Biden is in a downward spiral.

00:50:12.720 Go ahead and look at videotape of him just from 2021 when he took office versus now.

00:50:17.520 Many centuries ago, St. Augustine, a saint of my church, wrote that a people was a multitude defined by the common objects of their love, defined by the common objects of their love.

00:50:34.500 What are the common objects we as Americans love that define us as Americans?

00:50:39.060 I think we know opportunity, security, liberty, dignity, respect, honor.

00:50:48.020 Right after I was elected, I went to what they call a G7 meeting, all the NATO leaders.

00:50:57.700 I was in I was in the south of England.

00:51:00.800 And I sat down and I said, America's back.

00:51:04.620 And Neteran from Germany, I mean, from France, looked at me and said,

00:51:09.560 I said, you know, what, why, how long are you back for?

00:51:18.360 And you tell me how he's going to look even nine months from now and ask people to give him another four years.

00:51:24.180 I don't think people are ready to do it.

00:51:26.300 And Trump, even though he's had a couple of those memory problems himself, is still vibrant.

00:51:32.300 He is robust.

00:51:33.860 He's feisty.

00:51:34.640 And the thing about Trump is he's charming.

00:51:38.400 He's totally charming.

00:51:39.940 He's funny.

00:51:41.120 He's self-deprecating.

00:51:42.700 He's entertaining to watch.

00:51:44.940 He goes in front of the camera lens.

00:51:46.820 It's like crack for people.

00:51:48.100 They can't tune away.

00:51:49.400 That's why he's right.

00:51:50.220 He's a ratings machine.

00:51:51.200 The numbers go whenever you put them on TV.

00:51:54.000 Those two dynamics against each other, real world, I just think are going to inure to his benefit.

00:51:59.860 And I would definitely bet on him winning.

00:52:02.040 Well, Megan, it's been an absolute pleasure.

00:52:04.840 Thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:52:06.540 The final question is always, what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society that we really should be?

00:52:15.740 Oh, boy.

00:52:16.680 I love it when you guys ask me this.

00:52:20.120 Hmm.

00:52:22.640 Hmm.

00:52:24.220 Hmm.

00:52:24.700 Hmm.

00:52:25.320 Hmm.

00:52:26.220 I don't know.

00:52:27.140 This is a tougher issue than the last time, because when we talked the last time, I was still pretty new in the tenure of my show.

00:52:33.720 But now I've been out there five days a week, two hours a day, and we're talking about this stuff.

00:52:39.340 Like, I mean, not so long ago, I would have said how puberty blockers right into cross-sex hormones lead to sterility and no sexual pleasure for a child ever again.

00:52:51.340 But I feel like we've done a pretty good job of getting the word out on that.

00:52:55.780 People don't understand.

00:52:57.380 Like, you're sterilizing your child if you do those two things.

00:53:01.060 And you're basically rendering them asexual.

00:53:04.000 They will never achieve climax if you do puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones. 0.84

00:53:09.500 Who the hell would make this decision for their 11-year-old?

00:53:13.020 Anyway, it's probably something in the gender field.

00:53:15.360 I guess I'll go with this.

00:53:16.480 People are still using preferred pronouns because they think it's respectful.

00:53:21.200 And not enough people are coming out to explain how pronouns are rohypnol.

00:53:26.200 It's the name of an article that was banned all over the internet a couple years ago.

00:53:30.840 They dull your senses to what's actually happening and basically take away your principal argument when you see a man in a woman's swim lane. 0.99

00:53:39.860 You can't say she doesn't belong there.

00:53:42.940 You can't say she shouldn't be in the women's locker room. 1.00

00:53:47.060 The rohypnol dulls you to get used to this incongruous combination and makes it somehow less problematic.

00:53:56.840 And so the pronouns really do matter.

00:53:58.720 It's not respectful to lie.

00:54:01.300 And it's certainly not respectful to women to do anything to open up the doors to men in their sports or their spaces. 0.80

00:54:08.300 Megan, stay with us because we're going to ask you a bunch of questions from our supporters that goes on Locals.

00:54:13.680 Guys, follow us on over there.

00:54:17.200 I wondered if she'd share her prediction for Trump's VP.

00:54:21.440 Oh, I've chosen not to say, but I do have somebody in mind, so I'll give you the hints.

00:54:25.440 Thanks.

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00:54:30.660 Thank you.

TRIGGERnometry - February 14, 2024

The Dems Want An Open Border - Megyn Kelly

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