TRIGGERnometry - The Forgotten History of WW2 Evacuees with Dominic Frisby

00:00:00.000 The Germans are going to bomb the UK and so the authorities decide that all the children

00:00:16.780 in the cities across the UK need to be evacuated. My dad was seven and his brother was 11 and their

00:00:25.760 mother had to put them on a train and just wave goodbye and they didn't know where they were going

00:00:31.260 who would be taking them in how long they would go for none of this stuff and who knows what kind

00:00:39.420 of damage that did to families across the country my grandma decided to turn it into an adventure

00:00:46.120 and what she did she gave him a postcard and she said write the address of where you end up

00:00:52.960 on this postcard and if it's horrible you put one kiss and I'll come straight down there and get you

00:01:01.000 back and if it's okay you put two kisses and if it's nice you put three kisses okay so it was

00:01:09.540 their secret code and this first scene that I'm going to play you now um takes place on the first

00:01:16.880 night when they're sitting there by candlelight, the two boys discussing how many kisses to put on

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00:02:55.580 of course trigger hello and welcome to trigonometry i'm francis foster i'm constantin

00:03:02.580 and this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people our brilliant

00:03:08.800 And returning guest today is a comedian, broadcaster and author, Dominic Frisby.

00:03:13.280 Welcome back to Trigonometry.

00:03:14.380 Thank you very much, gentlemen.

00:03:15.580 Thank you for having me back.

00:03:16.580 Very excited to be talking to you.

00:03:17.980 No, it's great to have you on.

00:03:19.040 You've been working on a lot of different things since we last interviewed you.

00:03:23.380 Remind people who haven't seen you on the show before, who are you?

00:03:26.740 How are you?

00:03:27.240 Where you are?

00:03:27.660 What has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

00:03:30.760 OK, well, I'll summarise it as quickly as I can.

00:03:33.200 I always wanted to be a writer.

00:03:35.400 and when I was a young man I saw that the best writers had all started out as actors

00:03:40.020 Shakespeare, Dickens and many more besides and so I went to drama school and then when I was at

00:03:46.580 drama school I found I was very for some reason I was always top in radio and so I've got a

00:03:52.720 voiceover agent like as soon as I left so I started out just doing voiceovers. Life doesn't

00:03:58.640 always pan out as you're intending then I started you have quite a lot of free time when you do

00:04:02.480 voiceovers and I wrote this comic song and a friend of mine said he was a music agent I said

00:04:08.420 can we get this release as a novelty song and he said no go and do it at my brother's club

00:04:11.580 which was up the creek run by Malcolm Hardy and in those days if you did an open spot they gave

00:04:18.120 you a paid work so I did an open spot with this song and they gave me a paid gig and suddenly I

00:04:22.860 was a stand-up comedian it was quite a good life and so that was what I did stand-up comedy and

00:04:27.440 voiceovers and then because I was working on this other thing that we're going to talk about in

00:04:32.140 today's interview and we needed to raise three to five million quid to make it happen and I was

00:04:38.000 trying to figure out how to make it happen how to raise this money and this was in the mid-noughties

00:04:43.360 now so I started a podcast as a means to meet all these very rich people that I saw talking on the

00:04:50.480 internet who'd made a lot of money and they were all talking about gold at the time and commodities

00:04:55.380 and all this kind of thing and and it as i'm sure you know from doing podcasts it's just

00:05:01.280 it's amazing how many people you meet and the how much you learn just by talking to all these people

00:05:07.540 how much information you absorb but one of the people i interviewed was this woman called mary

00:05:11.200 somerset webb who was financial times journalist and she ran money week and she said oh we need

00:05:15.820 people like you to come and write for us and so i she started they just gave me a column writing

00:05:20.860 for money week and i was like i don't really know what i'm talking about and she was like it's fine

00:05:24.100 just write. And so suddenly I was a financial writer. So I've had this weird double life

00:05:29.740 as a sort of comedian, author, songwriter, and a financial writer. And I sort of, bizarrely

00:05:37.960 it works. And so that's how I've ended up where I am.

00:05:41.460 Well, you're a man of many skills. But the reason we wanted to have you back is you've

00:05:45.420 got this very interesting, very exciting story to tell. I don't want to talk over it a little

00:05:50.600 bit. So why don't you tell us what you're up to?

00:05:52.780 Okay, so this actually was something that my dad wrote.

00:05:56.780 My dad was quite a well-known writer.

00:05:58.640 A guy called Terence Frisbee died a few years ago.

00:06:00.920 And he wrote this story about his time as an evacuee during World War II.

00:06:07.200 And he wrote it, and it was a radio drama on BBC Radio 4 in the 1980s.

00:06:11.980 Immensely popular, and it was like it got broadcast more than any other radio drama

00:06:16.500 got broadcast that year or something, and it won all these awards.

00:06:19.120 and it got letters from people who'd been evacuated in Germany to escape English bombs

00:06:26.160 and also people who'd been evacuated in Russia so the story of children being evacuated was a huge

00:06:31.260 subject and I fell in love with it I was only about 19 or 20 and then he tried to get it made

00:06:37.160 into a film for many years and I think it got optioned by Ken Loach but you know it got stuck

00:06:41.600 in development hell and then in the early noughties a chance encounter on a golf course

00:06:48.560 this guy from a regional theatre in Barnstable just said have you got a project for me and dad

00:06:54.500 said actually I do and he was talking to his friend who'd always been going you should turn

00:06:57.360 this thing into a stage musical and so they did it as a stage musical and then and it was just

00:07:04.920 the best thing I ever saw and that was why I started to try and work out how to raise three

00:07:10.040 to five million quid to bring this thing into the West End so that's the sort of background to this

00:07:14.640 project and then during the lockdown and dad had died at this point and I was just like um

00:07:21.040 I'd been going through his stuff and the script and the cd was I'd taken it home he was just

00:07:27.600 sitting there every day I'd be sat on my desk during the lockdown and this script would be

00:07:31.120 looking at me and I was going if I don't make this happen nobody's going to make it happen

00:07:35.300 so during the lockdown um I decided I didn't have the means to turn it into a stage version

00:07:40.760 obviously covid and all the rest of it didn't have the money or the means to turn it into a film

00:07:44.420 and it's not just making the film you need powerful allies distributors and so on to get

00:07:49.580 the film seen but I did have the means to turn it into an audio project so I set to work and we made

00:07:55.700 an audio project of this musical four hours long I rewrote one of the songs with my songwriter who

00:08:02.360 it turned out his dad had also been evacuated during the war so he had a similar experience

00:08:08.040 and so and then because it was the lockdown and nobody was working we were able to get

00:08:13.680 quite big stars involved in the project John Owen Jones who's a big like the greatest ever

00:08:19.160 John um in Les Mis and various others and then by a chance encounter we were supposed to record it

00:08:27.880 in one studio and they totally started breaking our balls about Covid and everyone had to be two

00:08:32.560 meters apart and we were like well the orchestra can't sit two meters and all this stuff so we

00:08:37.120 ended up changing studios and I just phoned around the studios at the last minute and and

00:08:40.800 and I phoned up Abbey Road and they said well we've just had a cancellation um and if you like

00:08:46.420 you can come and uh record it here and we'll give it to you at cost because the conductor's got to

00:08:52.500 go into um quarantine for two weeks so we ended up recording the whole thing at Abbey Road and

00:08:56.980 various other studios as well Abbey Road you know a Beatles famous horn so that's the sort of

00:09:01.340 background to this project now I'm just going to tell you the the story the first like 20 minutes

00:09:07.560 of the musical and then i'm going to play you the one video we've made of the musical and we're going

00:09:11.640 to see what your reaction is okay so we're in it's um 1940 1940 and the last of the soldiers

00:09:23.800 have just been evacuated from dunkirk world war ii and they know the blitz is coming the germans

00:09:30.780 are going to bomb the UK. And so the authorities decide that all the children in the cities across

00:09:38.520 the UK need to be evacuated. And I think, I'm going to say it's either 4 million or 8 million

00:09:45.000 kids between the ages of 4 and 13 were evacuated to escape the bombing from the cities to the

00:09:53.540 countryside it was the biggest wholesale of movement in our country's history and they were

00:10:01.060 sent kids were sent from their families so you can imagine my dad was seven and his brother was 11

00:10:09.800 and their mother had to put them on a train and just wave goodbye and they didn't know where they

00:10:16.220 were going who would be taking them in how long they would go for none of this stuff and

00:10:22.420 who knows what kind of damage that did to families across the country some people had happy experiences

00:10:29.760 and other people had terrible experiences and it's just an incredible story and it's not a story that

00:10:36.080 you hear told very often so um my dad was seven his brother was 11 they're at home in southeast

00:10:44.640 london and their mum comes in and they have a little label on with their name and a gas mask

00:10:53.720 and a bag with you know a change of underwear and some pajamas and dad and his brother jack

00:11:01.180 um are going where are we going mum and she doesn't know and so she's they walk up to the station

00:11:08.880 and as they're going to the station all the other kids from their school join them

00:11:16.260 and there's this incredible crowds and the whole school puts their kids onto the train

00:11:23.880 and just waves goodbye right that's you can imagine the turmoil and in order to

00:11:33.960 lighten the situation for them my grandma decided to turn it into an adventure

00:11:41.940 and what she did she gave him a postcard and the postcard said dear mum and dad arrived safe and

00:11:51.440 well love jack and terry she gave him this postcard she said write the address of where you end up

00:11:57.620 on this postcard and if it's horrible you put one kiss and I'll come straight down there and get you

00:12:05.660 back and if it's okay you put two kisses and if it's nice you put three kisses okay so it was

00:12:14.200 their secret code and so she turned the whole thing into an adventure for them and they go

00:12:21.320 so they go onto the train and it's just they're two school teachers and all the kids on the train

00:12:26.840 and they're sent, they get on the train at Deptford

00:12:29.740 and then the train goes across South East London

00:12:33.700 and it just keeps on going and going and going

00:12:36.540 and eventually they end up in Cornwall

00:12:38.480 in a tiny, tiny village at Liscard

00:12:42.380 and then they're all put on buses

00:12:43.840 and fanned off to different villages

00:12:45.780 in the region of Cornwall.

00:12:49.740 And Dad and his brother and about 50 or 60 other kids

00:12:52.580 were herded into the village hall

00:12:56.140 in this tiny village called Dobwolves,

00:12:58.160 Dobwolves and Double Boys.

00:13:00.040 They were herded into the village hall

00:13:01.420 and they were all made to stand there.

00:13:03.640 And then all the locals just walked around

00:13:06.020 and said, I'll take that one there.

00:13:08.440 I'll take that one there.

00:13:09.360 So it was like a cattle market.

00:13:10.620 They were just picked out at random.

00:13:12.880 And then they went and signed their name

00:13:14.500 and they were sent off to go with these locals.

00:13:16.700 and dad and his brother were taken in by this welsh couple who'd moved down to cornwall and he

00:13:26.260 had been a soldier in world war one they would eventually learn and you can just imagine these

00:13:33.620 strange accents these strange people what a traumatic experience that was for the kids

00:13:38.240 but anyway dad was taken in by this welsh couple um auntie rose and uncle jack and uncle jack

00:13:45.860 had um this was a huge thing people tried to separate dad and his brother and they were like

00:13:51.980 we have to stay together we have to stay together this was the thing we have to stay together that

00:13:55.480 was the instruction their mum had given him dad and his brother were taken in by this welsh couple

00:13:59.120 and now he had been a soldier in world war one and he'd been in he was only five foot high and

00:14:04.860 he'd been in this regiment called the welsh bantams which had come up against the prussian guard who

00:14:10.120 were all over six foot and they were all involved in this massacre the mammoths wood massacre

00:14:14.300 where only 17 of them survived 17 and he went back to his village and he was the only man from

00:14:22.400 the village to go back and so as a result him and his wife they just had to leave the village because

00:14:27.720 all the other women looking at him like that was just too much for them so they'd moved down to

00:14:32.820 cornwall and he was now a plate layer on the great western railway dad and his brother loved trains

00:14:38.280 steam trains and they went back to this house there was no electricity um and they walked in

00:14:46.260 and there was a canary in a cage a cat asleep by the fire they went into the garden tiny little

00:14:53.160 railway cottage they went into the garden there was chickens in the yard and a pig outdoor privies

00:14:57.960 and they had this son gwyn who was sort of very funny and sang all the time and

00:15:04.620 outside the house there was this huge valley with woods and rivers to dam and then the railway

00:15:12.800 at the end of their garden with the trains going past and they thought they had died and gone to

00:15:21.520 heaven they thought it was fantastic and this first scene that I'm going to play you now

00:15:26.520 um takes place on the first night when they're sitting there by candlelight the two boys

00:15:33.480 discussing how many kisses to put on their postcard.

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00:16:15.620 How many kisses?

00:16:17.100 I vote three.

00:16:18.040 What would mum and dad think of it here?

00:16:19.840 Don't know.

00:16:20.580 No electricity.

00:16:21.620 They wouldn't like that.

00:16:22.500 I don't care.

00:16:23.560 There's no bathroom.

00:16:24.640 I don't care.

00:16:29.160 Outside love, all they have.

00:16:31.760 I can't go in an outside lab

00:16:34.560 I don't mind, I don't care

00:16:37.440 What if it's freezing cold out there?

00:16:40.380 That's what the pot's for, don't you see?

00:16:43.260 I vote one

00:16:44.440 I vote three

00:16:45.800 Just one bed, got to share

00:16:51.180 All squashed up in it, I don't care

00:16:54.020 Kisses on a postcard, we must write

00:16:56.660 Something we've got to do tonight

00:16:59.340 Kisses on her postcard, what'll they show?

00:17:02.380 Only mum is going to know

00:17:04.980 What about Gwyn?

00:17:09.160 Gwyn's not bad

00:17:10.400 Even though you can see he's mad

00:17:13.060 Aunty Rose, what'll you say?

00:17:15.860 She says weird things but she's okay

00:17:18.440 Not Uncle Jack though, he plays rough

00:17:21.100 Called my hair, called me Scruff

00:17:23.860 Kisses on her postcard, what'll we do?

00:17:26.460 I still say three, well I say two

00:17:29.180 Because it's on a postcard, three, two, one

00:17:31.940 Better be quick or it won't get done

00:17:35.360 If we put lesson three, Mum and Dad will think it's rotten here

00:17:41.240 They'll be worried

00:17:42.260 Yeah, well, there's the trains, they're good

00:17:44.880 And the station, right next to us

00:17:46.960 That's terrific

00:17:47.500 Hey, wait, I've just remembered, hens

00:17:50.340 What about hens?

00:17:51.920 Eggs, stupid, real eggs

00:17:54.120 Not that horrible, powdery stuff

00:17:56.300 Eggs for you, eggs for me

00:17:59.940 Eggs for breakfast, supper and tea

00:18:02.580 Poached or baked, scrambled or fried

00:18:05.420 A board with soldiers on this side

00:18:08.060 What do you say now, what's your score?

00:18:10.960 All right, three

00:18:11.980 I say four

00:18:13.380 You can't!

00:18:14.580 Why not?

00:18:15.240 Mum only said up to three

00:18:16.860 But don't you see, the more kisses we put, the more happy they're going to be

00:18:21.260 Yeah, it's terrific here really, isn't it?

00:18:23.780 Like being on holiday, only there's no scene.

00:18:26.820 We don't have to stop at four. Let's do hundreds!

00:18:30.080 Yeah!

00:18:32.340 Kisses on a postcard, one by one, all round the edges, this is fun.

00:18:37.740 Kisses on a postcard, squashed up tight, telling mum that we're all right.

00:18:43.760 Good night, children

00:18:48.300 Everywhere

00:18:50.120 Your mommy thinks of you tonight

00:18:56.700 Lay your head upon your pillow

00:19:03.840 Don't be a king

00:19:08.360 Or a weeping willow

00:19:12.240 Close your eyes and say a prayer

00:19:18.240 And surely you can find a kiss to spare

00:19:22.240 Kisses on a third spot, kisses on a third spot

00:19:25.240 Though you are far away

00:19:28.240 She is with you night and day

00:19:31.240 One by one, this is fun

00:19:34.240 Goodnight children every day

00:19:37.240 Tell him that we're all right

00:19:44.220 Night, Jack

00:19:46.040 Night, Terry

00:19:47.300 Look at them, fast asleep

00:19:53.420 And they've covered the card in kisses

00:19:57.060 Night-night, boys

00:20:05.140 That's amazing

00:20:06.040 Yeah, really, really enjoyable. And it's also powerful as well, because in many ways,

00:20:14.860 you know, we molecule children in our generation. But what these young boys had to go through is

00:20:21.320 something that we can't, none of us can comprehend, number one. And number two,

00:20:25.240 certainly not children, being torn away from your families, going to places in the country

00:20:29.360 that you don't know of, that you don't know about. It's a completely different way of life.

00:20:34.160 it's it's very powerful and did that have a profound effect on your father i think so i think

00:20:40.740 so he used to talk about it and that whole generation most of them are dead now there's

00:20:45.720 still you know a few in their late 80s and 90s but they all used to talk about it and yeah as i said

00:20:52.740 some had good experiences like dad and others had had horrible times and basically but that story

00:20:59.320 basically just tells the whole of their time during the war that's what you just saw there

00:21:03.660 is like 20 minutes up to 20 minutes in.

00:21:06.420 So he had quite a positive experience on the whole.

00:21:09.240 He did, but I can't see how it didn't mess him up.

00:21:12.740 You know, he spent four years down there.

00:21:14.880 From seven to 11.

00:21:15.900 Four years.

00:21:17.860 Wow.

00:21:18.660 And other than the occasional postcard or letter,

00:21:21.720 would they have any contact with the parents?

00:21:23.320 I think mum and dad came down a couple of times

00:21:25.240 because there are some photos of them down there.

00:21:28.120 But yeah, four years.

00:21:29.100 I think those who had unhappier experiences

00:21:31.960 went back sooner but basically he didn't go home until after they started invading sicily

00:21:40.560 because the man gwyn who was the son of auntie rose and uncle jack went off to fight in sicily

00:21:48.160 and was killed wow wow so

00:21:52.360 did he ever talk about it his experiences he did but most of it's in you know he wrote a book about

00:22:00.920 it so everything was distilled into that book but yeah he talked about it a lot

00:22:04.500 the impact that must have on a young child it's a whole country it's a whole country

00:22:12.700 and the impact that must have in not seeing your parents for four years and the impact on the

00:22:18.200 parents i think some people never found their parents again because they will have died or

00:22:23.460 just lost contact so there were some children who never found their parents so there were

00:22:28.160 Someone just ended up staying forever where they went.

00:22:31.260 You know, one or two, not, I mean, not everyone.

00:22:35.880 The majority will have gone home.

00:22:37.880 And when we talk about the impact,

00:22:40.320 I'm curious what you would say the impact is

00:22:43.060 because I imagine that one of the things we associate

00:22:45.820 with your father's generation is this kind of stoicism

00:22:49.800 that perhaps people now like to hearken back to.

00:22:52.500 So I don't know whether that's accurate, of course,

00:22:54.700 but going through things like that as both parents of children

00:22:59.380 and children themselves, when we say impact, what do you think it was?

00:23:06.180 I think people then were definitely mentally tougher than we are now.

00:23:12.640 And, you know, they had no mobile phones.

00:23:14.780 They had no means of communicating.

00:23:17.560 And they were literally going into the unknown.

00:23:21.140 I think they were much more trusting of authority.

00:23:24.700 than they are now and one of the questions you asked me constantin i remember when we were

00:23:31.280 talking a couple of weeks ago you said could that happen now that that people would send their kids

00:23:37.660 off to just go stay with a total stranger there's no way of vetting them they're only vetted locally

00:23:43.340 by their communities you know there's no they haven't got their little certificate that prove

00:23:48.560 they aren't a paedophile or something you know um would we would that be able to happen now

00:23:55.520 and because you know britain was so much more monocultural then whereas now it's much more

00:24:04.500 multicultural and so between the various um cultures that we have this perhaps they're not

00:24:10.800 the same levels of trust that there were then and you know cornwall particularly you know it's the

00:24:18.340 end of Britain but it you know they spoke a different language in Cornwall they didn't then

00:24:24.060 they'd already stopped speaking it but you know it's culturally very different from the rest of

00:24:27.320 Britain and um you know anyone outside of Cornwall is a foreigner let alone a Londoner it also had a

00:24:35.300 big impact on the towns they went to because you know the village kids what happened is all the

00:24:40.940 you know the London kids all came and the London they were better at sport they were cleverer

00:24:46.700 you know when they had village kids against the vacu's kids football matches or cricket matches

00:24:51.100 whatever the village kids would always get destroyed the the londoners just thought the

00:24:55.860 village kids were stupid the village kids resented these new newcomers it you know created so much

00:25:01.160 social turmoil in the places that they went to there were dads there was fights all the time

00:25:06.580 village kids versus the vacu kids you know any excuse for a fight and um you know they'd arrange

00:25:13.620 these huge fights down in the woods or if it was winter they'd arrange huge snowball fights and

00:25:18.360 so they were never so a lot of them weren't really accepted in the community then

00:25:23.640 i guess i guess some of them weren't some of them weren't yeah um like all these things there would

00:25:30.340 have been some people who opened up their arms to them yeah and other people who didn't want them

00:25:34.940 there at all and were there some who just didn't who who kept their children in london because they

00:25:41.180 wanted their children near or was that not really an option at that time i guess there were one or

00:25:46.220 two but it's a bit like do you remember how scared everyone was when covid first started

00:25:53.980 at this first lockdown yeah yeah and okay so let's just say you know we've got all this tension at

00:26:00.800 the moment with russia and ukraine and by the way i played it that scene to a load of people the

00:26:05.720 first hour of the musical to a load of people in the car just as russia was invading ukraine

00:26:11.960 and everyone said exactly the same things happening in ukraine now with the massive

00:26:16.260 evacuation away particularly from the eastern ukrainian cities so something very similar

00:26:21.640 happened in ukraine and you know you saw them they just wrote their names on a label and sent

00:26:25.940 them off into the unknown but if you just knew that britain's about to be bombed and just and

00:26:31.480 And I'm paralleling with that fear of the unknown

00:26:33.740 that was COVID when it first happened.

00:26:36.000 London's about to be bombed.

00:26:37.440 You need to go for your own safety.

00:26:39.380 It would take someone of a very contrarian mindset

00:26:42.840 to go, no, my kids are safer here with me

00:26:46.980 while, you know, Germany's bombing us.

00:26:49.940 And also as well at that point,

00:26:51.240 although I'm not sure how aware they would be of this fact,

00:26:54.060 Germany were very much in the ascendancy at that point.

00:26:56.700 Oh, yeah.

00:26:56.980 It was only the decision to invade Russia that did for Hitler.

00:27:03.740 If he hadn't invaded Russia, you know, America had stayed out and Britain was done for.

00:27:08.480 He probably would have won.

00:27:10.220 Hey Francis, what do you think is the best way to advertise a business?

00:27:14.520 That's easy.

00:27:15.760 All you need to do is spend shed loads of cash on an advert that's going to be promoted on a dying medium like TV.

00:27:22.300 than simply sit back and watch all your hard-earned money disappear down the toilet.

00:27:27.620 What about advertising with Trigonometry?

00:27:29.780 Why would I do that when I can advertise on ITV3 for the measly sum of 20 grand and be watched by six people?

00:27:38.140 Because Trigonometry now has over 350,000 subscribers across the different platforms

00:27:43.000 and gets 2 million views and downloads a month.

00:27:45.480 That's right. You can place an advert with us and we'll promote your brand on one of our episodes.

00:27:50.800 Your ad will be written by two professional comedians.

00:27:53.960 Yeah, that's right.

00:27:54.700 We're hiring two professional comedians.

00:27:58.600 We make our ads funny and engaging to the point

00:28:01.500 where some people say the ads are their favourite parts of the show.

00:28:04.900 Yeah, we probably shouldn't admit that, mate.

00:28:06.900 All you need to do is contact us on marketing at triggerpod.co.uk.

00:28:12.260 That's marketing at triggerpod.co.uk.

00:28:15.980 Advertise with us and we'll get your business cancelled.

00:28:18.780 Now, what do you think the... because I've never really heard these stories at all,

00:28:25.420 I didn't really even know that this was a thing particularly. What do you think the impact of that

00:28:31.180 was on society going forward? Because these are obviously very significant things for young people

00:28:36.540 to go through at that age and a whole generation of children would have grown up into adults

00:28:41.180 from that experience well i i look at britain in maybe 1911 or something like that at the sort of

00:28:49.260 the height of the empire when we really produced all these amazing individuals and we led the world

00:28:55.020 in science and philosophy and math you know everything in the world and how quickly we

00:29:02.460 descended from that greatness um relative to other countries in the world and it was the two wars

00:29:09.580 first world war and and then you know people give chamberlain a hard time for being in a pisa but

00:29:15.100 i think he lost five of his brothers in the first world war and that was why he was like we can't do

00:29:21.320 this again why he was so reluctant to go into the second world war it's a side of chamberlain that

00:29:25.880 you never hear and so but i think it was yet another thing that just you know destroyed the

00:29:36.100 fabric of Britain's greatness. It was just yet another episode in this sort of ongoing

00:29:40.760 destruction, because ultimately we just lost so many people. And we used to have big families,

00:29:46.640 seven, eight, 10 people. And now, you know, it's one or two kids. And, you know, it all starts

00:29:51.940 with family. And if you destroy the family, and this had a terrific impact on British families.

00:29:57.320 And you, one thing we're never really aware of is the fact that rationing, it didn't just end

00:30:02.100 in 1945 it carried on for a number of years and in fact there was a lot of london and a lot of

00:30:07.800 cities like liverpool and birmingham that were just that had just rubble for many years afterwards

00:30:13.000 so this idea that we you know bounced back and everything was fine we were broken from the second

00:30:18.320 world world for a long time yeah we were and it's interesting that the the rationing thing the two

00:30:24.260 the kids talk about it how excited they were to eat real eggs yeah and we would take it for granted

00:30:29.060 and, you know, meat.

00:30:33.180 You get a little bit of it in the country for obvious reasons,

00:30:35.880 but, yeah, rationing was, and sweets and, you know,

00:30:39.460 just stuff wasn't in the shops.

00:30:40.940 We take so much of that, the abundance that we have today for granted.

00:30:45.600 That's one of the reasons I love talking to older people

00:30:48.340 because I think I've talked about in the fall,

00:30:50.300 probably in an episode with Giles Udy, the historian,

00:30:53.500 about my family's history in Ukraine.

00:30:55.460 I always bring this up.

00:30:56.140 My grandmother, who's 96, she lived through, you know, she lived through decollicization,

00:31:06.980 Stalinism, then the Nazi occupation.

00:31:09.820 And she was she always tells me how during the war, her and her girlfriends, they would

00:31:15.000 have a bet on whether they would ever eat real bread again.

00:31:18.900 That was the sort of experiences that people were having.

00:31:22.360 But Dominic, you mentioned family.

00:31:23.640 I'm curious as well, you know, there's obviously a very deep personal connection here for you with your dad and being able to finish something after he's gone.

00:31:31.940 What was it like working on this for you?

00:31:34.960 Well, it's it's been my life's mission for 25 years to to make this musical exist because and it's not just people are looking at it and go, you know, you love your dad.

00:31:49.320 And of course I love my dad, but I'm sure you see this

00:31:54.760 with comedians or something who you think are brilliant

00:31:57.100 and nobody notices them and they seem to spend their whole lives

00:32:00.240 just not being ignored.

00:32:02.580 And I just know how good this story is and how brilliant the songs are

00:32:07.320 and how powerful and it's funny and it's got this huge,

00:32:12.320 profound message to it and it also makes you laugh,

00:32:16.060 it makes you cry.

00:32:16.480 I just wanted to make this thing exist it's that's it's literally and it's like if I didn't do it

00:32:24.940 nobody would and yeah so how difficult is it to make something like this happen to take a musical

00:32:31.420 from you know the the writing the music putting it together and then taking it to the west end

00:32:37.900 it's it can be really easy and it can be impossible and you know it like if you look at

00:32:48.060 take the example of six uh about the six wives of henry the eighth i think the two it was written

00:32:54.220 by two students or one was a student one wasn't and i think they wrote it in like two weeks it

00:32:58.480 was six songs one for each of the wives of henry the eighth they did it as an edinburgh show did

00:33:03.020 very well in edinburgh suddenly it's a west end show everyone's raving about it it's syndicated

00:33:08.240 all the way around the world i know the guy does the pr quite well and he says he thinks that no

00:33:13.980 musical ever has made as much money as quickly as six and i think it's start and that and that is

00:33:19.400 despite the headwinds that are covid that you know that had to be close so if you just hit something

00:33:26.760 and it flies it can be incredibly easy and then for other people they could we could you could

00:33:33.620 spend your whole life trying to get something on and nobody cares so it can be impossible but you

00:33:38.440 need to to to the problem with putting this show on in the west end is it's got 18 kids in it so

00:33:45.300 you would probably need three sets of kids uh so that's a logistical problem but it's bizarre

00:33:52.060 Musicals with kids tend to do very well.

00:33:54.480 Oliver, The Sound of Music.

00:33:56.220 Matilda.

00:33:57.100 Matilda, Billy Elliot.

00:33:58.760 You know, people like stories with kids,

00:34:01.300 but they are problematic.

00:34:03.360 So it's got a big cast.

00:34:05.000 It helps if you want to do a West End show,

00:34:07.600 if there's some kind of brand awareness before you do it.

00:34:10.700 So that's why we have a lot of jukebox musicals.

00:34:15.160 It helps, you know, and you see a lot of revivals

00:34:17.940 of The Sound of Music or Oklahoma, whatever it is.

00:34:20.340 and this had none of that and it didn't have a big star attached to it so that was always

00:34:25.280 headwind rather than tailwind and it makes it very hard but you know the beauty of audio

00:34:31.680 is it's cheaper to make and i'm not convinced that people people seem to want to see musicals

00:34:39.700 rather than hear them um bizarrely but at least i know it now exists and so you upload it to the

00:34:46.460 internet and it's kind of permanent and so that makes me happy i'm sure and when you say it exists

00:34:54.640 how can people listen to it watch it because that was not only beautifully sung and whatever but

00:34:59.740 it's also beautifully filmed and acted too yeah well most that's the only video we made to promote

00:35:05.600 it and but it shows you how it could look if netflix or someone were to turn it into a tv

00:35:12.380 program but Kisses on a Postcard is the website and um you can either you can just get it on your

00:35:19.000 podcast app you know Apple podcast you just type in Kisses on a Postcard and you'll get the four

00:35:23.560 hour it's four and a half hours I didn't I was going to make it two hours and then I just thought

00:35:28.140 you know what people like really long audiobooks people like your show they're like Joe Rogan

00:35:32.300 they like long stuff so I just thought I'm just putting the whole thing in so four and a half

00:35:35.980 hours and um so you would listen to it in half hour chunks the same way you might listen to a

00:35:41.240 a series or something um so yeah you can find it apple podcast spotify wherever you listen to

00:35:46.520 podcasts kisses on a postcard if you want cds you can buy um cds as well old school and

00:35:53.160 i mean even just doing the audio version it cost me a lot of money and i'm gonna i'm gonna make a

00:36:00.200 big loss on it but i don't care yeah because i just wanted to make it happen because that's the

00:36:04.920 problem you stick it up onto a podcast you upload it and there's no existing brand so i can't do

00:36:10.800 I can't advertise all the things that you advertise and so on

00:36:14.600 because that took you several years to get to the point where you...

00:36:17.040 Kisses on a postcard sponsored by Manscaped.

00:36:19.480 There you go.

00:36:22.300 I was thinking South Bank Investment Research.

00:36:28.480 It's very interesting what we're talking about

00:36:31.940 and particularly, you know, the road to the West End

00:36:35.220 and we were saying that.

00:36:36.420 Like, how does that work?

00:36:37.500 how do you take a show and then get it transferred to the west end you it's it

00:36:44.420 a lot of stuff starts in edinburgh a lot of stuff starts in the provinces they'll put on a show one

00:36:51.360 of the regional theaters or in a fringe theater and it it captures a zeitgeist and people get

00:36:56.140 interested and it grows from there sometimes a producer will have a vision sometimes a big star

00:37:01.480 will come along and say i want to do a musical and they'll find a musical that's a vehicle for

00:37:05.400 the big star it happens in any number of different ways but there are only so many theaters in the

00:37:10.080 west end and to get a show on in the west end requires extraordinary amounts of capital to do

00:37:15.920 this now this show would certainly more than five million quid probably near 10 million now today's

00:37:21.100 prices it's an insane amount of money you would need investors angels they're normally called

00:37:25.860 theater investors it's famously high risk there's been all sorts of musicals made about people

00:37:31.020 losing money in musicals you know it's a famous way to lose your money but some of the biggest

00:37:36.900 fortunes in history of Andrew Lloyd Webber Cameron McIntosh two of the richest people in the country

00:37:41.520 made their fortune made their money in the West End so it's it's like it's like how does a big

00:37:48.260 you know how do you become Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock or something you know it's for whatever

00:37:54.600 reason you get the tv gig at the right time you're already good and then people want more of it and

00:38:00.540 stuff just happens for you and you catch a tailwind and it happens for some and it doesn't

00:38:05.440 happen for other stuff. And do you think that in this case, I mean, one of the things I wanted to

00:38:10.300 speak with you about is history, because this is obviously something that is now history,

00:38:16.880 essentially, for most people. And Francis and I, we've had plenty of historians on the show.

00:38:21.600 We are both fascinated by history. I think if you don't understand history, you don't understand

00:38:25.640 the present or the future at all.

00:38:28.900 What's in the expression,

00:38:29.760 those who do not understand the past are doomed to repeat it

00:38:32.300 or something like that?

00:38:32.780 No, I think a better one is those,

00:38:34.420 and those who do are doomed to watch others repeat it,

00:38:38.300 which is, I think, to a large extent,

00:38:40.200 what we're living through now.

00:38:41.960 But what I wanted to ask you is,

00:38:43.360 do you think there's an audience out there

00:38:46.000 that's big enough for something that's about history

00:38:48.860 in a world that's obsessed with right here,

00:38:51.340 click, click, click, two-minute Twitter clip,

00:38:53.060 all of this, right here, right now?

00:38:54.880 Do you think there's enough people who are still interested in history?

00:38:57.520 I have absolutely no doubt.

00:38:59.720 You know, this is a, you know, not every drama has to be set in the present day.

00:39:06.600 You know, it's set in the past.

00:39:08.860 It's set in World War II, but it's not a history lesson.

00:39:11.160 It's a story about the adventures of two kids who leave there,

00:39:14.160 who are separated from their family.

00:39:16.080 You know, Harry Potter's a story about a kid who's separated from his family

00:39:19.040 and sent into an unwell known world.

00:39:20.640 This is a story about two kids who are sent from their family in London

00:39:23.240 to a tiny village in Cornwall and it's about the stories of their adventures over four years in

00:39:27.640 this tiny Cornish village and it's got laughter, it's got tears, it's got drama, it's got good

00:39:33.200 songs, it's got fights, it's got stories, it's got everything you want in a drama and so I have no

00:39:39.160 doubt that there is an appetite for it. Because if you think about, I think it's the most popular

00:39:46.080 musical now which is Hamilton. Hamilton is based on historical events. Yeah it is and

00:39:52.700 one of the side effects of Hamilton is you do take an interest in Alexander Hamilton,

00:39:58.620 who you might not previously have known about. I personally don't like the portrayal of Thomas

00:40:02.720 Jefferson, who I think is a rather heroic figure in the past. And I don't like the way he was

00:40:06.820 portrayed in Hamilton. But yeah, Les Mis is about a historical event. You know, a lot of great

00:40:12.120 musicals are. And do you think one of the challenges might be because, and I really like

00:40:17.540 theatre but the more I've looked at theatrical culture and theatre and musicals it does seem

00:40:23.460 to be more and more cross-pollination with Americans so you know there's a show that

00:40:28.120 on Broadway that's a hit they bring it over here and in many ways it just squeezes out our own

00:40:33.880 talent doesn't it? Yeah I'm afraid that's true a lot of stuff that does well on Broadway will

00:40:40.160 come over here that's another route into the West End that I didn't mention before I'm afraid

00:40:46.080 we as the English are lucky that we have English because but it's also in many ways our downfall

00:40:56.240 because um you know if we had a different language that wasn't an international language

00:41:02.600 I'm sure it'd be better to preserve our own things but because we have English we tend to

00:41:06.880 get diluted a little bit by America but particularly musically but um you know the

00:41:14.700 The Hollywood, American theatre, American media, you know,

00:41:19.400 it's just an all-powerful machine.

00:41:21.560 And so it affects, you know, drama and theatre and everything everywhere.

00:41:31.200 And, you know, the entertainment in businesses are –

00:41:33.740 there's a lot more people who want to be famous actors

00:41:36.400 than there is room for famous actors at the top.

00:41:38.760 There's a lot more people who want to be writers.

00:41:40.560 There's a lot more people who want to be podcasters than there is –

00:41:43.540 you know, then there are people who actually want to listen to podcasts,

00:41:45.820 if you know what I mean.

00:41:46.780 And so it's a cutthroat, ruthless industry and you've got to be hard

00:41:50.860 and you've got to be good and you've got to take the knocks

00:41:53.380 and you've got to grab the opportunities when they come

00:41:55.220 and all those, you know, feel-good messages.

00:41:58.600 The entertainment industry is ruthless and there's a lot of competition

00:42:01.640 and then you do see the stuff that gets on, particularly on a lot of telly,

00:42:06.600 and you're like, how did that get on when there's so much good stuff

00:42:11.340 that's just queuing up and doesn't get noticed?

00:42:13.040 How did it get on? How do they get on TV?

00:42:17.440 I don't know. I think if we're going to moan about TV comedy, I think a lot of TV comedy is owned by about two or three agents and they seem to control a lot of it.

00:42:28.620 I think producers don't set the net wide enough. I think there's a lack of risk taking in producers.

00:42:35.700 They don't want to take the risk on a new guy that get this guy because he was the guy from such and such.

00:42:39.580 and therefore, you know, it's the commissioning process

00:42:42.220 against, you know, YouTube or whatever,

00:42:45.280 which is just a free-for-all.

00:42:47.300 But there's all sorts of risks,

00:42:48.860 but there's...

00:42:51.860 People in commissioning don't take huge risks

00:42:55.880 a lot of the time.

00:42:57.280 They don't take huge risks.

00:42:58.700 And whenever...

00:42:59.780 One of the things...

00:43:00.740 And it's hard.

00:43:01.520 It's hard to make good entertainment.

00:43:03.600 Yeah, and given some of the costs involved

00:43:05.480 that you're talking about with putting on

00:43:06.920 a West End show, for example,

00:43:08.760 I mean, I can see why people would be somewhat risk-averse

00:43:11.120 with five million quid.

00:43:12.220 I've got, I need 10 million quid, Constantine.

00:43:15.100 Would you give me 10 million quid to put this thing on?

00:43:17.040 Or you could go and do Oklahoma

00:43:18.780 and have, you know, Hugh Jackman in the lead role.

00:43:22.040 Right.

00:43:22.300 What are you going to put on?

00:43:23.560 Yours.

00:43:24.960 Yes, my brother.

00:43:25.700 And that's why he's terrible with money.

00:43:27.480 Yeah.

00:43:28.920 But there is a beauty to musical theatre

00:43:32.640 in that you can have a hit.

00:43:33.860 I think it was Lionel Bart who was a perfect example of this.

00:43:37.360 he created and wrote oliver which is a huge global hit success transferred all around the world

00:43:43.900 they made a film of it and then he made robin hood a few years afterwards which sent him

00:43:49.880 completely bankrupt like i don't understand lionel bart because oliver just contains brilliant song

00:43:57.620 after brilliant song after brilliant song it's obviously a fantastic story as well

00:44:01.760 and it's a fantastic musical and everything else that guy did in his life was not very good

00:44:08.740 and yet Oliver was so brilliant and it was like he took his whole life and it's like he did a deal

00:44:14.920 a Faust impact or something he says give me all the talent that I'm gonna have over my lifetime

00:44:18.720 I'm just gonna put all in this one musical and um yeah I don't understand how the same guy can

00:44:25.320 create one thing that's so good and other stuff that isn't but that's the magic of it isn't it

00:44:29.680 You know, it's that lightning in the bottle moment.

00:44:31.520 Yeah.

00:44:32.400 Because it's very few people.

00:44:33.740 He caught lightning in the bottle.

00:44:35.460 It's exactly the right.

00:44:36.460 And for the rest of the time, there was no lightning, only sunshine.

00:44:40.900 Because like we're saying, you know, if you've got other people's money

00:44:45.620 and you have to justify to them why we're going to put it

00:44:48.940 into this unknown musical where there are no stars,

00:44:53.120 or you can take a show that's crushing it on Broadway,

00:44:56.320 like Book of Mormon and it's already got a lot of heat behind it yeah Book of Mormon is brilliant

00:45:02.800 yes but those two guys are already well known from South Park um I think another problem quite

00:45:09.740 interesting I've been thinking about a bit recently is if you like you doing this show

00:45:15.780 are directly answerable to your customers you're you have a direct relationship with your customers

00:45:20.680 And if people start watching the show, you're out of business.

00:45:24.620 A lot of organizations, and this applies to the NHS and also to the BBC,

00:45:29.980 they're not directly answerable to the customers.

00:45:32.380 The customers pay to the middleman, whether the TV tax or your tax,

00:45:36.220 and then that's given to the NHS or to the BBC.

00:45:39.180 So that customer relationship, I mean, you find a lot of people in the BBC

00:45:42.280 often actually have contempt for their viewers,

00:45:45.680 and they think they know better than their viewers.

00:45:47.960 and certainly in the NHS, you know, the customer can't hold the doctor to account in the same way

00:45:52.880 that, you know, I can hold the guy who sells me the shoe shop account or whatever. It's a bad

00:45:59.100 analogy, but you get my point. There isn't that direct customer relationship. And I don't think

00:46:04.500 that leads to quality service. If the provider is directly accountable to the customer in a

00:46:11.720 traditional customer-seller relationship, then there's a lot more accountability and that

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00:46:47.500 Which is why I'm glad we've had you on to talk about

00:46:50.080 it and you've put it out as an audio that people

00:46:51.880 can access and enjoy because at the end

00:46:53.960 of the day,

00:46:55.080 obviously the three of us can spend

00:46:58.040 hours whining about the BBC and there's

00:46:59.860 plenty to complain about, but the reality is

00:47:01.920 we live in a different world now and in that world

00:47:03.940 you put stuff out and people like it

00:47:05.920 or you put stuff out and they don't and you live and die

00:47:07.980 by that sword rather than

00:47:09.560 some guy deciding that you are the right person or not the right person.

00:47:14.280 I mean, the destruction of the gatekeeping industry

00:47:17.060 has been one of the greatest boons of this technological revolution

00:47:21.240 that we're living through.

00:47:22.460 And I'm delighted about that, that people like us now have the opportunity

00:47:25.640 to actually stick by what we believe.

00:47:28.480 You thought this needed making.

00:47:29.960 You've put it out there.

00:47:30.780 People are going to listen to it, and they're either going to enjoy it or not.

00:47:33.340 And that is the judgment of the public with which we all live.

00:47:36.920 I could not agree more, Constantine.

00:47:38.840 and we have to be so grateful in this day and age for technology

00:47:42.780 because suddenly with one phone, you've got a kit

00:47:48.320 that would have cost you $2, $3, $5 million 25 years ago

00:47:52.060 just with one phone and it has democratised anything

00:47:55.760 and I'm like, with everything I do, it's just like I can't be bothered

00:47:59.900 sending in letters to the BBC begging them to notice me

00:48:04.140 and put on my show.

00:48:05.080 I'm just going to go and make the song that I want to make.

00:48:06.980 I'm just going to go and do whatever it is I want to do

00:48:08.800 and if people like it great and if they don't well you know and i just think that has created

00:48:14.780 so many opportunities and it has improved the quality of content if you listen to people

00:48:21.340 15 years ago nobody wants anything that's more than three minutes and then suddenly podcasts

00:48:26.420 came along and people wanted five-hour conversations and they're like what and you know nobody would

00:48:31.100 have commissioned cat videos and i think cat videos are the most and and nobody would commission

00:48:36.180 some spotty bloke to give you instructions

00:48:38.220 about how to repair the handle on your mug or something.

00:48:42.000 But those how-to videos are the most watched things

00:48:44.040 on YouTube and instructional.

00:48:46.340 And they're so helpful.

00:48:47.740 And you want the spotty guy that knows about China fragments.

00:48:52.000 You don't want, you know, Emily Maitlis on mugs.

00:48:58.060 No, you don't.

00:48:59.240 Well, Dominic, that's why I'm excited about this.

00:49:01.700 I think it's great.

00:49:02.460 I think people in our space, frankly, need to...

00:49:04.780 I mean, look, we spent a long time whining about all this stuff.

00:49:08.600 We've whined our way to wherever we are.

00:49:11.240 Now I think it's up to us to start building things,

00:49:13.480 to creating things.

00:49:14.820 That's why I'm excited about Kisses on a Postcard.

00:49:16.960 I think it's going to be great.

00:49:18.200 I can't wait to listen to it.

00:49:19.720 I hope our audience will do as well.

00:49:23.100 And with that, before we ask you our usual last questions,

00:49:26.660 anything you wanted to add or say?

00:49:28.800 Just thank you very much for the opportunity.

00:49:31.620 Kissesonapostcard.com.

00:49:32.620 please listen

00:49:33.800 and I hope you enjoy

00:49:35.980 and the final question

00:49:37.880 we always end our interviews with

00:49:39.440 is

00:49:40.140 what's the one thing

00:49:41.400 we're not talking about

00:49:42.360 but we really should be

00:49:43.620 it's funny

00:49:45.680 the last time I did this show

00:49:47.140 you asked me that question

00:49:48.780 and I said race

00:49:49.920 and I talked

00:49:50.960 you know

00:49:51.340 defining what it actually is racism

00:49:53.300 and then about

00:49:54.460 two or three months later

00:49:55.620 the whole BLM riots

00:49:57.420 and all that kicked off

00:49:58.300 it's his fault

00:49:58.860 yeah exactly

00:49:59.660 you started it

00:50:00.560 I just want to say

00:50:01.180 I'm sorry

00:50:02.660 And it was quite an awkward conversation, I remember.

00:50:09.560 I broke out into a sweat.

00:50:11.640 But it was premonitionary.

00:50:15.160 I was right, is what he's trying to say.

00:50:17.300 So here's the thing.

00:50:19.100 This is not so much of an issue thing.

00:50:22.480 It's just something that I think is happening or could happen.

00:50:27.660 and that is the and it's where i think podcasting is going and that is the power of audio now when

00:50:37.300 if you think we only invented writing as a means to transfer information over distance and over

00:50:46.100 time you know if i needed to transfer words beyond what you can hear in that actual present

00:50:51.100 that's why we invented writing but the brain the human brain actually absorbs words through the

00:50:57.980 ear better than it does off the page and i think once you understand that you understand this

00:51:03.500 extraordinary boom we've seen in podcasting audio books and all the rest of it the the the and they

00:51:09.780 say that radio is the most visual medium it's a it's a lovely old expression because you you

00:51:15.740 create it all and with that in mind i think where media is going is do you remember you're probably

00:51:23.600 too young but in the 70s there was this huge boom in the concept album and so there was the war of

00:51:30.240 the worlds is probably the most famous example audio dramatization of of the war of the worlds

00:51:35.480 by hg wells but there were many other concept albums the wall and there was this huge booming

00:51:39.980 concept albums which was sort of spoken word music drama bowie sort of played with it a lot

00:51:46.440 and just imagine stuff and i think i hope that this podcasting audio boom moves into a sort of

00:51:55.420 people start really experimenting with music audio drama um audio books and it all sort of

00:52:04.360 comes together and we get these incredibly visual audio pieces i i think we could be going in that

00:52:10.560 direction and i think that would be good for art i mean that was a lot less stressful than what you

00:52:15.180 said last time i'm like where is he gonna go with this oh no it's just long podcast with a bit music

00:52:20.940 cool yes but it's all gonna be race-based yeah fantastic there you go uh dominic thank you so

00:52:28.660 much we're gonna ask you a couple of questions that our audience have submitted for uh locals

00:52:33.060 and only they will get to see that.

00:52:35.060 So make sure you join Locals.

00:52:36.360 But for now, tell everybody,

00:52:37.980 just remind everybody where they can find the musical,

00:52:41.220 where they can find you online, et cetera.

00:52:42.920 And then we will go and ask you those couple of questions.

00:52:45.120 So you can find me at dominicfrisbee.com

00:52:46.960 and my Twitter handle is at Dominic Frisbee.

00:52:49.640 But the website for the show is kissesonapostcard.com.

00:52:54.880 The show is called Kisses on a Postcard.

00:52:57.120 So stick Kisses on a Postcard into Spotify

00:52:59.200 or Apple Podcasts, whatever, you'll find it.

00:53:01.700 but kissesonapostcard.com it all starts there thanks dominic and thank you guys for watching

00:53:07.180 and listening we will see you very soon on locals and then afterwards with another brilliant episode

00:53:12.140 like this one or or show all of them go out 7 p.m uk time and for those of you who like your

00:53:17.140 trigonometry on the go it's also available as a podcast take care and see you soon guys

00:53:22.820 i've heard dominic talk about how the housing crisis is much more than simple lack of new

00:53:29.480 homes being built. Can he explain

00:53:31.520 further about what else is causing the

00:53:33.520 problems in supply and what

00:53:35.520 more importantly can be done about it?

00:53:37.800 Yes I can.

00:53:59.480 love including america forever in blue jeans and sweet caroline like jersey boys and beautiful the

00:54:06.040 next musical mega hit is here the neil diamond musical a beautiful noise april 28th through

00:54:12.040 june 7th 2026 the princess of wales theater get tickets at mirvish.com

TRIGGERnometry - November 07, 2022

The Forgotten History of WW2 Evacuees with Dominic Frisby

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