TRIGGERnometry - ＂The Winning Message in Politics Is Envy＂ – Adam Carolla

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00:01:00.000 the right message in terms of getting elected today is we're gonna get you a bunch of free 0.98

00:01:07.560 shit I'm going to get you all this stuff so that you can live in dignity they are robbing that 0.97

00:01:16.320 person of dignity I don't know when the government taking care of you became the 1.00

00:01:21.360 definition of a dignified life I thought those were losers when you're in your 30s and your 1.00

00:01:27.600 parents take care of you you're a loser when the government take care of you you're super loser 0.98

00:01:32.280 listen johnny you work hard and you study you one day can be like mr jenkins and live in the big 0.99

00:01:41.060 house and drive the mercedes and now the dad says to the son find a rock so we can throw it at the

00:01:48.320 mercedes that's where we're at this is the insidious part of what the politicians are doing

00:01:54.120 they are breeding that out of people.

00:02:19.920 Adam Carolla, welcome back to Trigonometry.

00:02:22.080 Thanks for having me back.

00:02:23.000 I was saying to Francis, I measure American electoral cycles in Adam Corollas.

00:02:27.840 It's like, what, Adam?

00:02:28.680 Because we have you after every big election.

00:02:30.760 Yeah, I know.

00:02:31.660 And you're wearing the wrong color for what happened.

00:02:34.020 Oh, my gosh.

00:02:35.200 I know.

00:02:36.160 After that blue wave tsunami, whatever we're calling it.

00:02:40.080 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:02:42.740 You know, everyone's kind of talking about finding the right candidates and the right

00:02:47.100 message.

00:02:48.160 But my view is a little more bleak than that.

00:02:52.020 like the right message in terms of getting elected today is we're going to get you a bunch of free

00:02:58.160 and that's about the end of or i don't know you know abolish ice defund the whatever you know

00:03:05.100 open the border like i i don't know if the right you know if the right message like who are we

00:03:12.360 talking to because what used to be the right message is you know we're going to be tough on

00:03:17.460 crime we're going to lower your taxes your school systems are going to be great the border's going

00:03:23.700 to be locked tight and jobs and everything else and now it's something else like it's about you

00:03:31.700 know freedom and dignity and free bus rides by the way does anyone need a free bus ride like like

00:03:38.980 public transportation do you know a person that cannot afford public transportation and if you

00:03:46.900 can't afford public transportation, then you don't have a job. So it sort of takes care of itself.

00:03:52.640 But the message, you know, with the socialist, democratic socialists and all the sort of free

00:03:59.060 this and then sort of with a dusting of like Islamic that and then a little screw Trump in 0.60

00:04:05.400 there and F America sort of baked in. I don't I don't know what the right message would be to get 0.87

00:04:12.520 elected, it wouldn't be America's great, you know, I love this country and I want to lower your taxes.

00:04:19.260 No, but I think, look, I think back to two years ago when you were on the show, it was right after

00:04:26.700 Trump won, he won the presidency, winning both the Electoral College and the popular vote.

00:04:32.840 The Republicans won the Senate. They won the House. They literally had everything. And the

00:04:38.680 mood. I remember what the mood was like. And I think you have to acknowledge in this situation

00:04:43.600 that Trump with the Iran war really squandered a lot of that goodwill and support that he had,

00:04:50.340 because up until that moment, he was kind of crushing it. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know,

00:04:56.260 then it kind of comes down to. Well, I mean, I'm not really defending Trump, but let's remove Trump

00:05:06.300 from the equation. I'm just saying, you voted for a guy. The guy thinks he's going to do something

00:05:12.860 that's necessary but unpopular. Would you want that person doing that thing that was necessary,

00:05:20.700 yet you knew he could risk votes and party votes and Senate seats and stuff like that?

00:05:27.380 Like, if this was a movie, then the hero would do the thing that was unpopular, even though it

00:05:33.440 cost him. You know, it could be a principal, the school going, I'm standing up for what I know is

00:05:39.720 right. And then they go, you're going to get fired if you do that. And then he says, I don't care.

00:05:44.220 Some things are more important than a job or whatever. So, you know, you could you could spin

00:05:49.700 it. So here's my head on it. You can spin it that what did he start that stupid war for? He just

00:05:56.940 cost the republicans all this stuff what an idiot and then you could go what a hero he did it in 1.00

00:06:04.140 knowing that it was probably going to end up this way so that's character and then you go but now 1.00

00:06:10.560 we're not sure if we needed the war or not so that's that's the in-between part you know but 0.78

00:06:18.120 just to say like like iran's horrible they've been horrible they're always horrible they're 0.71

00:06:23.860 always funding some death cult du jour and in terms of putting them out of their misery i'm all

00:06:31.300 for that i i i know we do a thing where we go no foreign wars but i don't know blowing up people

00:06:39.720 that like blowing up people and constantly blow up people i'm sort of all right with you know i

00:06:46.360 don't I can't say to tell anymore like for in terms of foreign wars like what is real and what

00:06:54.700 isn't real because we always get some story about you know weapons of mass destruction that are

00:07:02.240 hidden but they're there you know we've had a long history of bombing the wrong people or spending

00:07:09.180 too much time in places we shouldn't have been at in the first place like I don't really know

00:07:13.960 who to believe anymore but it would be nice if iran was no longer iran i mean that i get and then

00:07:22.160 i get that it basically costs the republicans the house and the senate but on the other hand

00:07:30.520 i don't know to not have an iran maybe it's worth it i think the issue is for the for most ordinary

00:07:37.920 people is that they believe that trump wasn't going to take them into more wars he has done

00:07:44.060 they feel betrayed and then also there's the economic element of it because you know rising

00:07:50.380 diesel prices rising prices not only with diesel but also the cost of living there's a real anger

00:07:57.540 and frustration there which i kind of get i don't i don't think the democrats are going to do

00:08:03.180 anything to solve these problems no but i understand yeah i think you know i i think the

00:08:09.880 main you know i'm i'm from here so gas is always more than everywhere else in the nation here is

00:08:17.580 california sorry here's california and then also the democrats i mean the first thing biden did was

00:08:25.020 cancel the keystone pipeline and stop drilling and everything so i have no idea what their new

00:08:31.120 allegiance is to cheap gas. It's weird because they all they want to do is stop fracking and

00:08:37.220 cancel pipelines and pull drilling permits. And so it's a little dubious to me that they're also

00:08:43.820 very concerned about fuel prices. But I get the average person. I think where Trump really

00:08:51.060 screwed the pooch is really just the economy. Like and and, you know, because you go no foreign

00:08:59.320 wars, but you kind of like, I don't know. There's no boots on the ground. People aren't coming home

00:09:04.440 in coffins. It's like, it's not the top of everyone's mind. Everyone kind of agrees that

00:09:09.580 Iran's a piece of and they shouldn't have nukes and so on and so forth. I don't really think it's

00:09:13.820 so much that I do think it's, it's the economy. Like just everything is super expensive and it's

00:09:21.420 bothers people here like like you know iran is something that i think the people that are really

00:09:32.300 sensitive and and and really you know into the the minutia and the weeds are can be bothered by

00:09:41.020 but the going to the gas station or going to to buy groceries like it is it is you know especially

00:09:51.340 if you're you know i went to i don't know el pollo loco bought me and my son like three pieces

00:09:58.200 of chicken it was like 28 bucks and i'm like what like so there's that i mean that i think

00:10:04.420 i think it's the economy more than the war i i think he ran on the economy i mean it's always

00:10:14.700 no foreign wars. I get it. But it was, I think if people, I think if the prices were down at the

00:10:22.900 grocery store, people, people would continue to vote, you know, Republican and Trump. I think

00:10:30.300 it's the economy that really got people. Stuff has not come down. Well, the argument would be,

00:10:36.060 I think that because of the war, the price of fertilizer, of diesel, of gas, what you guys

00:10:43.760 coal gas of what we call gas, all of that. Yeah. That's all gone up and that feeds into the price

00:10:49.220 of everything else. Yeah. Yeah. I guess you can't really completely separate them. But even before

00:10:55.880 the war, you know, like what Trump said is soon as I'm elected, prices are just going to come

00:11:02.600 tumbling down and, you know, eggs are going to go from this to this and meat's going to go from

00:11:08.900 here to here. Like, you just elect me and everything gets affordable the next day. And it

00:11:14.740 just didn't work out that way. Well, you know, there was this line that people like to use about

00:11:21.200 how, you know, the media took him literally, but not seriously. But the people took him seriously,

00:11:27.260 but not literally. But I think, you know, eventually people started taking him both

00:11:32.080 seriously and literally. And as you say, he made he said, I think he said yesterday when he was

00:11:37.800 asked whether you know part of the problem is that he didn't keep his promises he said

00:11:42.020 I kept more promises than I made which is the most strong but I think part of this is you know

00:11:49.800 like you say you know the the cost of things hasn't gone down in fact America I mean I mean

00:11:54.260 we come to the U.S. it's expensive man it is yeah it's expensive we're not used to that like I know

00:12:01.660 when you go to London it's expensive like stuff's expensive but we're not used to that here like

00:12:08.960 we're used to Walmart tons of stuff for cheap you know and so and the durable goods like the TV sets

00:12:17.320 and the washing machines and stuff don't seem to be that bad but it's it's the day in and day out

00:12:22.660 stuff you know food that really gas fuel so yeah so you know i have no idea why he waged war when

00:12:33.060 everyone sort of told him it was going to just screw the midterms but he damned the torpedoes

00:12:39.360 and did it did it anyway and there's there's a lot of other stuff i mean i was very hopeful that he

00:12:44.980 would end the war in ukraine hasn't happened yeah war in the middle east you know yeah yeah you can

00:12:50.620 go down the list i agree and the thing is he closing the border huge achievement i mean it

00:12:56.160 sounds kind of dumb to say but but it was i mean objectively it was not closed before but even in

00:13:01.940 in that process i think uh we we see the stance now his vote with his panics massively went down

00:13:10.100 and a lot of people attribute that to some of the the excesses of vice yeah well the thing too about

00:13:17.260 winning you know the border or it's sort of like winning a championship or super bowl or something

00:13:25.700 that was two years ago like everyone's sort of like what's now you know that's like yeah you

00:13:30.540 said you're going to close the border you close the border so what's what else you know so there's

00:13:34.540 kind of an element of you don't really get retroactive credit you you get credit for stuff

00:13:42.220 you didn't do but you don't really get credit for stuff you did do it's kind of like a marriage

00:13:47.620 really if you think about it just they just remember the you didn't do or the stuff you

00:13:54.600 screwed up you know and it's not a win and a lot you know it should be sort of a scale where he

00:14:00.660 goes i said the ukraine war was going to end momentarily that's true so then you go yeah but

00:14:06.960 the border you know like okay but and job creation and and you know cutting a lot of federal jobs and

00:14:15.380 waste and stuff like that but people all the stuff trump does nothing really affects

00:14:25.280 a human being like going to check out at a supermarket having them ring it up and looking

00:14:33.540 at that bill and going oh wow like that's right there the cutting deficit or deficit spending or

00:14:42.200 medical or medicaid or social security that's all kind of distant relative stuff you know it's that

00:14:50.500 real like hand the bill at the at the restaurant which is um i'm always like i can't get out of

00:14:59.880 anywhere like me and a you know just me and another guy and we're ordering like sandwiches

00:15:05.800 and one drink or something it's a hundred bucks like it's a hundred it's like it's it's weird

00:15:11.040 and so that's the one that's the one that hits the the stuff where you've taken on the you know

00:15:18.120 unions or whatever that is that's that's too deep a dime for most people do you know the other one

00:15:25.580 And I think you're spot on because most people, it's the tangible and it's the real.

00:15:30.840 And the Iran war gives them something very convenient to point the finger at and to explain the rising cost of prices. 0.55

00:15:40.000 I think there's another subject that people feel very passionately about.

00:15:43.340 And this subject has only reared its head in the last 18 months, two years, which is AI.

00:15:49.380 You know, data centers.

00:15:51.600 Constantine and I were in Texas and we were watching a YouTube channel.

00:15:55.580 And what happened was, because we didn't sign in, it was giving us ads.

00:16:00.900 And a lot of the ads were talking about data centers, particularly on the left.

00:16:06.740 This is a real concern for people, as well as AI taking your jobs.

00:16:11.300 And, you know, they were saying things, you know, talking about restricting building data centers, restricting AI, all of this, which sounds to the ordinary person very, very, very, very comforting.

00:16:23.000 Yeah. Well, the left and the Democrats definitely work on a kind of a fear thing. They get them to work with COVID real well. It works with a lot of stuff. They just get them fearful. And then they say, we're going to assuage your fears. And don't worry. Now we're here. We're going to take care of your fears.

00:16:44.100 and i don't even know where to begin with the data centers like it's also weird to proclaim

00:16:51.460 that you're an expert or you know about something that's 10 minutes old that you don't know anything

00:16:57.380 of so i i'm always careful not to wade into stuff where i'm really like who you kidding i don't know

00:17:04.920 anything about this stuff but i do know that you can make it into something and you can then use

00:17:12.820 it effectively. And then you can promise that if you vote for me, I will keep you safe from AI and

00:17:21.700 from data centers and so on and so forth. And people, most of the people I know on the left

00:17:28.720 are fear based and the people I know on the right are more sort of progress based. And so if you

00:17:34.880 think about, you take a job like school teachers, you go, okay, school teachers, college professors,

00:17:42.820 people in education, it's always 96% Democrat or they vote, you know, when they do the thing

00:17:50.700 on college campuses where the professors donated, what party did it? It's into the high 90s toward

00:17:57.420 the left, right? Because they will trade money and riches and rewards for safety. They'll go,

00:18:07.120 give me three months off every year let's take every holiday off and you know every 10 minutes 0.98

00:18:14.260 we'll come up with someone else to celebrate so we can get another day off too who's a black guy 0.97

00:18:19.160 has done something come on we need another day off and in return we're not getting rich 0.89

00:18:25.740 but we're going to get paid and they can't really fire us and what they're saying is is i want

00:18:31.780 safety over flourishing i i'm not here to you know i'm here to make it through safely now i could

00:18:41.940 start my own business but i could go bankrupt and i don't want that and i don't even want all that

00:18:47.460 goes along with that i will trade all this for safety so you have the people on the right and

00:18:52.680 the people on the right are generally more the entrepreneurs or sort of the risk takers you know

00:18:57.320 like in general, just less safety oriented, like the COVID came around. Everyone on the left was

00:19:04.960 super locked down safety. And everyone I knew on the right was insulted by the safety and didn't

00:19:10.120 want to participate in it. So there's a safety versus risk. And all you have to do to sell to

00:19:18.360 the safety people to get their vote is explain to them that there is a risk and it could be coming

00:19:23.940 for your job and they could be using up all your water and all your electricity and the safety

00:19:29.000 people will all go well then none none of that the risk people are like sure that could happen 0.78

00:19:37.880 but also we could get our ass kicked by china and we need this you know so let's do it anyway and 0.90

00:19:43.900 And, you know, as we progress as a culture, we get more safety oriented than we do risk oriented. 0.99

00:19:54.560 We are. Each generation, it gets safer and safer and safer.

00:20:01.040 Everything gets safer, all forms of transportation, but just general stuff like people say, have a safe, have a safe day instead of have a good day or what have you.

00:20:12.460 everybody's there's you know this is a safe space yes thank you when i was growing up

00:20:19.260 there was a football helmet and a crash helmet and that was about it there was no other kinds

00:20:26.320 of helmets there wasn't helmet for skateboarding for bicycling or for there was no there was just

00:20:32.660 two helmets now there's 1200 specific helmets because it's safety safety and more safety so

00:20:40.680 So it's like if you're selling safety, that's a that's something that people in America are going to buy and you will get votes selling safety.

00:20:54.660 And so I think the AI and the data centers are selling safe.

00:21:00.120 The people against it trying to get votes are selling safety.

00:21:03.080 And that makes a lot of sense, because if your bills are going up, if your wages are stagnating, if the dollar, because, you know, quantitative easing, you know, you printed so much money, is no longer worth what it used to be, then you're already going to feel kind of edgy about it.

00:21:20.800 and then someone's coming along going well and you're reading about ai or you're seeing it on

00:21:26.080 your phone and then someone comes along and goes i'm going to protect you from that

00:21:29.280 if you're that way inclined you're going to be like things are not going well i need someone

00:21:34.920 to help protect me yeah i think just in general the government's role of protection has grown by

00:21:42.840 leaps and bounds. You know, they're talking. I mean, Mindani was talking on a podcast and

00:21:50.760 it was like, what is socialism? It's like, it's whatever you need to live in dignity.

00:21:56.720 That's what it means. And whatever you want, the government will provide if you feel like you need

00:22:04.500 this to lead a dignified life. And by the way, I don't know when the government taking care of you

00:22:09.900 became the definition of a dignified life. 0.99

00:22:12.840 I thought those people were losers. 0.96

00:22:15.360 Like when the government, or by the way, 0.97

00:22:17.700 when you're in your 30s and your parents take care of you, 1.00

00:22:21.320 you're a loser. 1.00

00:22:22.460 When the government takes care of you, you're a super loser. 1.00

00:22:25.520 So the government has expanded its kind of safety net 0.82

00:22:31.040 into not only sort of physical safety,

00:22:36.860 but just sort of spiritual safety.

00:22:38.900 Like we are going to protect you. We're going to uplift you. You're going to live with dignity. You're going to have a seat at the table. You know, everybody deserves to live this way. And I'm going to provide like the proclamations that the politicians are making are, first off, they're untenable.

00:22:58.820 there it's not you i can't provide dignity for you especially times you know 340 million people

00:23:08.460 i mean it's literally impossible there's not enough money it's not enough time i don't even

00:23:12.420 know what dignity is to you might be different to me to you to him so in in general what government

00:23:19.520 is doing is it's just widening and widening it used to be like i'm gonna you know we're gonna

00:23:26.620 We keep the streets safe and we'll fill the potholes and, you know, we'll fight off any any hordes who come here and try to try to take our women.

00:23:36.280 But after that, you know, you're on your own.

00:23:40.000 You know, we don't do that anymore.

00:23:42.060 We're getting into the promise business, you know.

00:23:45.580 And I mean, one of the things with the election results, we had Stephen Crowder on the previous guest before you.

00:23:53.680 And he said if the if the Democrats take the House and the Senate, there is an 80 percent chance, according to his model, that they win the presidency in 2028, which is kind of historically very likely as you go. 0.52

00:24:10.240 And I was looking actually at the cow shields of this.

00:24:12.080 John Ossoff is now in poll position to be the next president of the United States, according to the prediction markets.

00:24:19.760 So I thought Buttigieg was the poll position.

00:24:23.680 I'm not sure what position is Paul's in.

00:24:30.700 But, like, if you're talking about the ever-expanding state,

00:24:33.760 a situation in which the Democrats have the two houses and the presidency,

00:24:38.900 I mean, the whole country is going to go in the more Californian direction.

00:24:44.300 Yeah, and, you know, the experiment might be over at that point.

00:24:47.900 I mean, if your pitch is really nothing but I'm going to extract more money from this group and get it to you guys so that you can have all this stuff that, you know, they don't need all of what they have.

00:25:08.960 It's a weird pitch.

00:25:11.280 It's a super lazy pitch.

00:25:13.240 if you really just break it down, like, if you just go,

00:25:17.260 if you really just break it down, like, as a politician

00:25:19.620 or really as a business person, like, you know,

00:25:22.520 someone goes, you manufactured doors and windows, you know,

00:25:27.420 and they go, what's your plan for running our door and window shop?

00:25:30.880 And mine's like, I'm going to go across the street

00:25:32.880 to the successful door and window shop. 1.00

00:25:34.880 I'm just going to take their shit and bring it on our show. 1.00

00:25:38.200 Good? 1.00

00:25:38.980 I mean, yeah, but you go like, yeah,

00:25:41.600 but that doesn't make you that good a CEO, does it?

00:25:44.760 Like, I'm just going to go, yeah, no, we'll bring guns

00:25:47.180 and we'll just go over there. 0.66

00:25:48.760 We'll force them to give us their good stuff.

00:25:51.320 They don't need all their doors and windows.

00:25:53.380 They got more than they need.

00:25:55.240 They'll give it to us.

00:25:56.080 Like, that's a pretty lazy, if you think about a concept,

00:26:01.500 like as a manager or as a politician,

00:26:06.780 just to constantly say, I'm going to get folks

00:26:10.260 that work weekends and holidays 0.74

00:26:12.200 to kick down more of their junk 0.97

00:26:14.360 and then I'll kick it over to you, 0.99

00:26:17.780 it's kind of weak sauce.

00:26:19.940 Like, if you really think about it,

00:26:21.240 you're like, well, wait a minute.

00:26:22.560 What do we even need you for?

00:26:23.980 Like, that's not even a plan.

00:26:26.340 My plan is how do we create stuff?

00:26:28.560 How do we entice this?

00:26:29.940 How do we get them to be more productive 0.92

00:26:32.620 so we can take more of their tax

00:26:34.720 at the rate that it's at now?

00:26:36.440 Like, or whatever it is,

00:26:37.480 you just go and we're going to take their stuff

00:26:39.100 and give it to you.

00:26:40.260 not only does it sound super lazy and it also doesn't sound like you've got much of a plan,

00:26:46.160 but also it's never worked. So why are we to think it's going to work?

00:26:53.200 It's interesting what you said about safety. It made me think. So I have a four-year-old and I

00:26:57.520 read him, but he loves knights. So I read books about knights. And as I was reading this book,

00:27:02.840 I realized this has genuinely been happening for hundreds of years because the knights used to

00:27:07.920 joust with actual weapons then they went down to blunted weapons then they went down to you know

00:27:13.060 and it just carries on and on and on and on and on until the point where we are now where you

00:27:17.760 literally have parents not allowing their kids to do anything for fear of them hurting themselves

00:27:22.020 yes it's just been this ongoing process for hundreds of years yeah i mean it is i mean it's

00:27:27.940 an evolution safety is an evolution much like convenience is a evolution you know we're

00:27:37.380 wired for convenience comfort ease and safety you know so that's built in so whatever used to be

00:27:50.840 you know used to be we'll go out and hunt you know it's like wow that sounds like a hassle

00:27:56.360 you know and and then it sort of came they're like okay there's a butcher over here and there's the

00:28:03.200 the guy bakes bread over here and there's a farmer that's down the road and then at some

00:28:08.780 point we're like why don't we just put them all under one roof and you could just carry the stuff

00:28:13.960 you go get the meat go oh wait don't carry it push push a basket put wheels on it you know i

00:28:20.060 mean and then in air conditioning and then at some point we went to why don't they just deliver the

00:28:25.880 food to the house you know what i mean and then it was like why don't somebody just cook the food

00:28:30.660 and then just bring the food so now it it motivates like the innovation the motivation

00:28:38.500 i mean you know when you take a look at a car you know model t model a you know henry ford blah blah

00:28:46.100 blah you know i just drove over here well i didn't drive over here the tesla drove over here uh with

00:28:54.380 the air conditioning blowing and the satellite radio humming and it was no you know so we're

00:29:01.000 made for comfort safety and ease every single thing just got easier more comfortable and safer

00:29:13.720 so that's that's how we're wired um the problem is is we're not really it's it's like

00:29:21.680 we're we're our tendencies are for that but also sitting around in air conditioning and have someone

00:29:33.120 bring you food all day leads to an early death and and and obesity and diabetes and you know

00:29:41.440 whatever and you know i be nice to start off every day with a big glass of wine you know what i mean

00:29:48.040 but it's not good, you know.

00:29:50.000 So now we're entering the self-governing phase

00:29:55.240 of existence.

00:29:57.960 Because no one had to self-govern.

00:30:00.460 The well was five miles away.

00:30:04.980 Start walking.

00:30:06.600 Come home with a gourd on your head.

00:30:08.440 You don't need a treadmill or a gym membership.

00:30:11.420 Life is a gym membership.

00:30:14.300 You know, you're hunting.

00:30:15.040 your you know livestock and you know all started at five in the morning you know so now we're in

00:30:22.760 some weird phase where it's like someone had to invent a treadmill because we had to simulate

00:30:30.860 walking to the well because stuff's coming out of the sink for free you know what i mean and by the

00:30:37.740 wait, not good enough for us. Not safe enough. So we are bred, I mean, for safety. And it's

00:30:50.640 going to be hard to tell people, you know, hey, it's starting to become harmful. Like safety

00:30:57.480 can hurt, you know, COVID, the COVID safety protocols hurt a lot of kids, hurt a lot of

00:31:06.020 businesses, hurt economies, hurt people psychologically. Like that under the umbrella

00:31:12.740 of safety, you did a lot of damage and caused a lot of suicides and drug addictions and ODs and

00:31:19.080 stuff like that. So how safe, you know, is this? And so then you get into this like appearance

00:31:27.540 of safety, which is six foot paper mask. You know what I mean? Now we're just mask up in

00:31:35.780 between by it's like is this really safety or is this just the illusion and almost delusion of safety

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00:31:51.480 make a quick calculation leave it call them back later except later rarely happens and the call

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00:33:09.020 quo.com slash trig. That's Q-U-O dot com slash trig. And in that situation, when people are so

00:33:19.000 used to being safe, the tiniest challenge to that is incredibly scary. And that's why people freak

00:33:25.300 out right right and and i you notice that with like younger the younger generation where it's

00:33:33.560 like they're totally fear-based so everything feels like potential trouble and and not an

00:33:41.720 opportunity and yeah and and they they sort of grow up in this i don't know call it a bubble but

00:33:52.040 It's literally some sort of terrarium of safety that they live in, and they don't know what it's like to sort of, you know, push it a little bit out there.

00:34:07.220 And most of the best experiences of my life, there's been some element of danger or risk involved with it.

00:34:17.020 Sometimes it's an emotional risk.

00:34:19.020 Sometimes it's like a sort of financial risk.

00:34:20.800 sometimes it's a physical risk but every good story basically when a story is told

00:34:30.800 danger is there when a book is written when a movie is made it's always you know there's a kind

00:34:40.380 of you know i quit my job and i i didn't have anything to fall back on and i didn't know where

00:34:46.860 My next paycheck was coming, but I started my own business, you know, and, you know, and there was, well, it sounds pretty scary.

00:34:53.420 Not knowing how you're going to provide for your family.

00:34:55.480 And then there was always like, it's never like this guy picked a fight with me.

00:34:59.940 He was about five, two, and he was more really obese and he walked with a limp.

00:35:03.780 No, it's always this guy, this guy was six, six or back.

00:35:07.560 He looked like a linebacker, you know, but I told him, you know, I said to him, all right, you want to go?

00:35:12.560 you know it's always danger danger odds stacked against us you know we we came through so

00:35:18.420 we're all living the the fantasy like like every book every disney film every movie every novel

00:35:28.180 every story told it's always danger so that must be the part of life we're most attracted to

00:35:37.860 So why are we trying to snuff out the part that's the main character in every story?

00:35:44.280 Because if you don't have to, then why would you?

00:35:49.860 Yeah, I know, but you don't have to cook your own food anymore, you know?

00:35:56.140 And you don't have to walk your own dog.

00:35:58.820 And you don't have to, you know, involve yourself with many of life's sort of rituals or necessities or what have you.

00:36:07.000 and I would argue that's why so many people are sort of spinning out like we need what Dr. Drew

00:36:15.100 calls like an ordinary misery like just a part of life where you're like I don't want to have to go

00:36:21.160 mow the lawn today but I'm mowing the lawn or I don't you know want to go wash my car I'd rather

00:36:26.920 have the guy come over and detail it or whatever but I'm gonna I'm gonna do it and then I'll have

00:36:32.140 that satisfaction. Yeah. You always feel so good when you've done those things. Yes. It's, it's

00:36:36.920 the, it's the, it's the best. And it's also, you also will, you know, here, here's what I would

00:36:43.620 say. You, if you, let's just say, we'll take the same subject, but we'll go three or four different

00:36:51.660 directions with it. You go, there's a beautiful deck on, on the house that you live in and,

00:36:58.020 and you throw a party or a barbecue or something and people come out and inevitably they go this

00:37:04.880 is an amazing deck and the story you want to most tell is yeah i put it on myself you know when i

00:37:13.840 got here it was just dirt i i added this baby on myself so that's the best you know the the second

00:37:21.780 best is like yeah my father-in-law's a carpenter and he came over and i helped him you know

00:37:27.860 we put this deck on the third worst is like uh was on the house when i bought the house

00:37:33.940 and then the fourth is my dad bought me the house right so don't we all want to tell the story

00:37:41.140 of building our own deck is that the best part now we all the problem is is we want our dad to

00:37:47.780 buy us a house and we don't want to build a deck but we want the story of building the deck

00:37:53.460 without having to build the deck.

00:37:56.700 And that's where the politician comes in.

00:37:59.200 Well, right. I was going to say,

00:38:00.520 and this is the problem with politics,

00:38:01.980 because politicians, you know, there's two politicians.

00:38:05.100 One comes along and says,

00:38:06.580 I'm going to give you the opportunity to build a deck.

00:38:10.220 And the other one says,

00:38:11.080 I'm going to buy you the house with the deck

00:38:12.720 because you're entitled to it.

00:38:14.380 And I'm going to take that guy's deck,

00:38:16.560 which is too big, and give you part of it

00:38:20.180 so you can have a deck.

00:38:21.260 In the UK, we call it he's not paying his fair share.

00:38:24.320 Yeah.

00:38:24.700 Yeah, we do that out here, too.

00:38:27.500 I wish so much.

00:38:30.360 Like, I would love to pay my fair share.

00:38:33.760 That would be so awesome.

00:38:36.600 That would be so awesome as I know it.

00:38:40.060 You know what I mean?

00:38:41.100 Like, because my fair share would be so much lower than what I pay.

00:38:45.200 It is subjective, though, isn't it?

00:38:47.080 Your fair share.

00:38:48.300 I don't think it's subjective.

00:38:50.500 I think they tamper with verbiage too much

00:38:54.880 and they sometimes get themselves into trouble

00:38:57.140 like where they go, you know,

00:38:59.560 my sister donated her eggs for $20,000.

00:39:04.160 It's like, well, that's not donating.

00:39:07.580 Your gender isn't assigned at birth. 0.99

00:39:10.520 You know, like they get a little over their skis 1.00

00:39:12.840 with their verbiage sometimes.

00:39:14.500 but your fair share is as far as i know the word share and the word fair is basically if we all

00:39:26.660 rented out this airbnb for a week and it was seven grand at the end of the week and there

00:39:32.700 were seven of us staying here then i guess my fair share would be a thousand bucks

00:39:37.560 depends how oppressed i am adam that's true you look pretty white last time i checked i'm half

00:39:43.700 latino mate so we need to factor that in yeah they have those in uh in england yeah yeah well

00:39:50.140 they have one my mother oh so the to me the fair share to me would be a thousand bucks everyone

00:39:56.940 is all seven people stayed in the house for seven days at seven you know the bill that that would be

00:40:02.460 my fair share now you could kind of talk me into saying yeah but the camera guy doesn't make as

00:40:09.400 much as you so how about instead of going a thousand you go twelve hundred and he can go

00:40:14.300 eight hundred and you know and i i could go well age should be my prerogative like i should be able

00:40:20.020 to go well he he signed up you know he's he's living in the same house i'm living in he didn't

00:40:25.600 get any privileges that i didn't get and provided you know we're all in the same room and we all

00:40:31.120 have the same access to the bathroom and the tvs and stuff so my fair share should be that but i

00:40:36.240 would our cameras guys is looking very upset by this by the way i would tend to kick in an extra

00:40:41.540 couple hundred quid for that loser but now the government is forcing me to do it right and it's

00:40:50.400 not 200 bucks it's all of it for a bunch of guys and then those same people are accusing me of not 0.94

00:40:57.900 pay my fair share. And that's the part. I would take a thank you winner very much for working as

00:41:05.980 hard as you do. I would take that. But instead, you get everyone wagging their finger at you,

00:41:11.400 wanting you to pay your fair share. I mean, it's insane. It's pretty easy. There's, you know,

00:41:18.340 340 million people in this country. I don't know what the collected revenue from taxes,

00:41:26.940 is, but it could break down into a share. There's a number that could be assigned to every person

00:41:33.780 over 18 who's gainfully employed or whatever it is. There is a number. And I guarantee the people

00:41:41.240 that you say aren't paying their fair share are paying quite a bit more than what that number

00:41:45.980 would be. I mean, there's a lot of people, Adam, who are listening to this going, Adam,

00:41:50.200 come on. There's a lot of billionaires out there. There's the first trillionaire.

00:41:54.040 are they paying their fair share?

00:41:56.340 Because why is there an ever-growing gap

00:41:58.260 between rich and poor?

00:42:00.740 Well, also it's like,

00:42:04.820 I was thinking about my family,

00:42:06.440 and I'll try to answer your question,

00:42:07.980 but I work almost every weekend,

00:42:12.880 as you guys work a lot of weekends.

00:42:15.380 You know, no one in my family ever worked a weekend, ever.

00:42:19.440 All of them, and there wasn't that many of them,

00:42:21.380 but they never worked a weekend in their lives.

00:42:24.280 So just working more,

00:42:27.360 like a lot of the people we're talking about,

00:42:31.140 they don't take off holidays and weekends.

00:42:33.780 Like they work a lot.

00:42:36.820 They also innovate.

00:42:38.400 And when they innovate, you know, the market repays them.

00:42:41.800 And the chasm between them is true,

00:42:46.800 is true but like the chasm between a guy who can play in major league baseball and and have a

00:42:57.160 career and like start versus a guy who's just really good but at the junior college level

00:43:02.140 I mean that is just a massive chasm and they're always going to be those massive chasms and the

00:43:09.800 Massive chasm is kind of the motivation for those guys.

00:43:14.100 I think I don't see I don't really think the chasm is going to be bridged by getting these guys to kick down to those guys.

00:43:25.720 The chasm has to be bridged by those guys learning a skill or being more productive or figuring out a way to be excellent to kind of pull themselves into closing the chasm.

00:43:40.500 It's like it's sort of like it's a foot race and some guys are just taken off and everyone else is sort of struggling to catch up.

00:43:51.120 And the government or the left, their thing is like, why don't we hobble these guys and slow them down a little bit so we can narrow that gap?

00:43:59.780 And my thing is, I'd like to get the people that are following them to figure out a way to speed it up.

00:44:07.060 Well, it's interesting. So in the I know the stats for the UK, Billy, can you look this up for the US?

00:44:12.300 So in the UK, the top 10 percent pay 60 percent of all income and capital gains tax.

00:44:18.240 Right. And the top one percent pay 30 percent. Yeah. Now, that's not a share thing because they also make a lot more.

00:44:25.700 Billy, what's what is it in the U.S.? It's in the same neighborhood. Same neighborhood.

00:44:30.380 So the top 10 percent or the top one percent either. What total share of tax do they pay?

00:44:36.860 It's a thing where the one percent pays an alarmingly high and then the next percent.

00:44:41.900 And then as you get lower, you get into nothing.

00:44:45.120 But also, as you get lower, you use a lot more of the services that a lot of the money is going to.

00:44:50.980 So it's not just these guys pay more.

00:44:55.860 It's you pay less and use more of what a lot of that tax money is going to.

00:45:01.220 In the UK, more than half of people are at the point where they consume more in tax than they pay.

00:45:09.640 Billy?

00:45:10.800 The top 10% of owners pay about 7%.

00:45:13.280 70%?

00:45:15.200 And the top 1% of owners pay about 33.4%.

00:45:18.100 That's more than in the UK.

00:45:21.160 Yeah, I guess it is more.

00:45:22.400 Wow.

00:45:23.300 The top, just for people who didn't hear that,

00:45:25.060 the top 10% of people pay 70% of all the tax.

00:45:29.700 That is insane.

00:45:31.060 Well, the insane part is they get yelled at,

00:45:33.980 and AOC wants them to pay more and is demonizing them.

00:45:37.660 And Bernie Sanders demonizes them.

00:45:40.080 That's the part that's insulting.

00:45:41.840 You know, they should be bought fruit baskets and told, thank you very much for what you've done.

00:45:47.480 So the comical part is demonizing the folks that are keeping the lights on around here, which it's just disingenuous when politicians do that.

00:45:57.480 And they also know it's real easy.

00:45:59.980 Like Obama would give a speech.

00:46:01.880 You know, you think they think they're smarter than you.

00:46:03.960 You think they work harder than you. 1.00

00:46:05.880 First off, the work harder is such bullshit and it drives me nuts. 0.99

00:46:11.120 Like I used to work really hard, had really hard jobs, like physical, dirty, just crawling under houses, you know, digging, you know, with a coffee can because there wasn't enough room to get a shovel under there and stuff like I had really gritty blue collar, pay nothing, miserable jobs. 0.99

00:46:32.040 And I used to work a lot harder than I do now.

00:46:38.000 But I learned to work smarter and, like, more efficiently.

00:46:42.520 And I also learned to pursue talent and get training

00:46:47.400 and get experience and, you know, meet and network.

00:46:52.760 Like, I work a lot.

00:46:53.600 I started to work a lot.

00:46:54.980 So when they go, do you think these people work harder than you?

00:46:58.160 No, I don't work harder than a roofer works.

00:47:00.880 I make 50 times as much as a roofer, but I don't work harder.

00:47:05.000 I work smarter.

00:47:06.460 That's what you should want the roofer to do.

00:47:09.680 This notion of like, oh, I expended this many ounces in sweat

00:47:14.620 or burned this many calories. 1.00

00:47:16.440 It's stupid. 1.00

00:47:17.440 That's what poor people do. 1.00

00:47:19.460 That's all I used to do. 1.00

00:47:21.040 It's insane.

00:47:21.980 Like this hard, they claim to be hardworking.

00:47:25.420 Now they're smart.

00:47:27.260 They're not hardworking.

00:47:28.980 Now, you could say, I work every weekend, and maybe you don't.

00:47:33.840 So maybe that is harder, but it's not for me.

00:47:37.380 I stand around and tell jokes.

00:47:39.240 I don't have a hard job.

00:47:41.100 It's also going back to this idea of risk-taking, like there's nothing wrong with being a roofer.

00:47:46.680 It's a very important job.

00:47:48.100 It's actually quite a dangerous job and a tough job.

00:47:51.140 But if you're going to take on the risk because you want to, inverted commas, better yourself,

00:47:56.480 maybe you want to start your own roofing business.

00:47:58.880 That's a risk.

00:47:59.740 All of a sudden, you're going to take on employees.

00:48:01.880 What happens if there's a downturn in the economy?

00:48:04.380 You've still got to pay people.

00:48:06.300 That means that you don't get paid because when you've got your own business, you get paid lost.

00:48:10.920 That's how it works.

00:48:11.920 You take the rewards, but you also run the risk.

00:48:15.280 So I think that's a very important point as well.

00:48:17.360 Well, yeah, I mean, the people that we're talking about kicking the money down to or the free this or the low discount that or the free transportation or whatever are not taking the risk.

00:48:33.660 And, you know, it's the risk.

00:48:36.800 The risk is what you get paid for.

00:48:39.140 You guys understand this.

00:48:40.500 Anybody in show business understands it's the risk that you get paid for.

00:48:47.360 And it's but also, it's not a healthy dialogue to have. And the reason I kind of reject it

00:48:57.000 is when I was poor, and I was poor, my family was poor, and everyone was poor for an extended

00:49:05.580 period of time. I didn't make any money until I was 31, 32. I was, you know, zero to 30 poor.

00:49:15.540 and I know people like to

00:49:17.380 glorify or

00:49:19.480 embellish their poorness

00:49:21.500 I don't know why

00:49:22.720 but my family

00:49:25.540 was poor, we didn't have stuff

00:49:27.560 my mom was on welfare and food

00:49:29.460 stamps and stuff, we didn't have any money

00:49:31.640 and I didn't have any education

00:49:33.520 or anything either so I was just going to be poor

00:49:35.340 but

00:49:37.360 I never looked

00:49:39.860 around and went

00:49:41.600 why's that guy got a big house

00:49:43.820 or why's that

00:49:44.440 I was it was aspirational to me you know we used to have shows called uh lifestyles of the rich

00:49:52.520 and famous it was so people like us could go whoa look at that house wow Mercedes-Benz you know and

00:49:58.520 then you would go man that'd be what what if I could you know and then the message would be

00:50:03.260 study hard work hard you know eat your Wheaties one day carb load in the morning and then one day

00:50:10.800 You know, and it was always that I never had an ounce of envy or ire or anger at successful people.

00:50:23.600 And when I was a carpenter, I would have at some point I would have to work for successful people.

00:50:32.460 I would be built a house in Beverly Hills, you know, not my house, but the guy who owned the house would show up and I'd talk to him, you know.

00:50:40.340 And I was like, wow, that's a big, expensive house.

00:50:44.380 Bill, I've worked in a lot of really nice houses

00:50:48.780 with people that had money and made good livings.

00:50:52.820 And I was always just kind of trying to figure out

00:50:55.680 how they did it and maybe how I could, you know, get some of it.

00:51:00.680 And the idea that a politician wants to pit me against them,

00:51:06.160 that's insidious.

00:51:07.360 They should be saying these people know something and you should basically not be angry at them.

00:51:16.700 You should be trying to have them tutor you like they should basically be telling you, I'd like to know what they know, not instead of resenting them.

00:51:26.100 uh it's it also does not help the group that needs to get to them to anger them and then to

00:51:35.340 make them think that the reason they're not them is because they took all the money or because of

00:51:41.840 systemic racism or it's because your sexual proclivities like so what politicians do is they

00:51:48.520 go you should resent them and you're here and the reason you are here is because they're bad

00:51:55.180 and or society hates you

00:51:58.380 and we don't have a level playing field

00:52:00.220 and now I have no motivation

00:52:02.280 to work harder and try to get there

00:52:04.820 because why would I?

00:52:06.560 There's systemic racism

00:52:07.720 or the playing field's tilted in their direction

00:52:11.400 or it's daddy's money 0.99

00:52:13.040 or some bullshit like that. 0.98

00:52:14.840 So it disincentivizes these people 0.99

00:52:16.980 and it angers them.

00:52:18.860 I mean, what you're starting to see now is anger

00:52:21.640 because at a certain point,

00:52:23.180 I wrote in one of my books some years ago, I said, you know, it used to be this country

00:52:31.340 would be a son, a father and a son taking a walk at night or something. And then a big Mercedes

00:52:37.760 would pull past them. And then the father would say the son, that's Mr. Jenkins. He lives at the

00:52:43.260 big house on top of the hill. And listen, Johnny, you work hard and you study. You one day can be

00:52:50.300 like Mr. Jenkins and live in the big house and drive the Mercedes. And now the dad says to the

00:52:57.100 son, find a rock so we can throw it at the Mercedes. That's where we're at. And that's

00:53:03.860 not a society you want to live in. And by the way, Mr. Jenkins, who may have taken some time

00:53:11.560 to mentor your son, is not going to do it. He's just going to hire another security guard.

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00:54:44.260 And it's interesting you say that about the attitude shift because actually, and you know,

00:54:49.480 this attitude works at whatever level you are.

00:54:52.440 There are people who are so much richer than you and who have so much stuff and so many

00:54:57.600 opportunities that you don't have despite all your success.

00:55:00.740 That you right now, you Adam Carolla right now could take a drive up into it, like you

00:55:07.060 said the Hollywood Hills or whatever and look at houses there and go I can't afford that why has

00:55:11.500 this guy got a private jet and it just never ends like if you have that mindset I could look at some

00:55:16.120 of my old houses and say I can't I remember beating off in that room yeah no I you know what I collect

00:55:28.700 cars and I have some really interesting cars and some and some nice cars and I won't bore you but

00:55:35.520 I have a decent, pretty good collection, but I go to events with guys that are heavy hitters and and those guys have real car collections, you know, and I know what they got and I see what they got and they know what I got.

00:55:50.940 and i you know i'll look at one of their vintage ferraris and go that that one car is worth more

00:55:56.960 than all of my cars combined you know and so there's always a kind of an element when you're

00:56:03.440 talking to just car guys you know what do you got and when the guy says yeah i got a 71 miura

00:56:10.540 lamborghini uh sv look at there's six and a half million bucks right there you know and i got a

00:56:16.660 Daytona convertible, you know, Ferrari, okay, I don't know what that is.

00:56:21.460 And you're doing the math, and at some point, you're going,

00:56:24.480 well, that guy's collection is so much nicer.

00:56:27.360 But I have a nice collection, too, and all I want to do is see

00:56:34.780 if I can work a little harder and maybe get a little closer

00:56:38.460 to his collection for my collection,

00:56:41.520 not decide that he owes me part of his collection

00:56:46.120 or I'm going to take a drywall screw

00:56:50.460 and put my initials in his door, you know?

00:56:53.820 And by the way, my attitude is like,

00:56:57.580 this guy's got a really nice collection. 0.98

00:57:00.040 You should suck up to him a little bit. 0.89

00:57:02.460 Why not? You know what I mean? 0.99

00:57:03.960 I mean, how could it hurt?

00:57:05.620 And by the way, that's how all those guys roll.

00:57:08.400 They just network and network and network, you know?

00:57:11.480 Are we talking about Jay Leno, Adam?

00:57:13.760 We have interviewed him in his car garage.

00:57:16.120 I know.

00:57:17.040 It looked good.

00:57:17.980 No, you know what's weird?

00:57:19.540 He has an amazing collection, but I'm not jealous of it

00:57:22.900 because they're mostly not my kind of cars, which is weird.

00:57:27.200 But there are guys I'm thinking of that have smaller collections of cars I like.

00:57:31.820 I'm glad you mentioned the word jealous because I'm not jealous.

00:57:35.460 Like, I have a friend who has a watch that is worth more than all my material possessions

00:57:40.380 and my bank account and all of it.

00:57:43.020 I'm not jealous.

00:57:43.920 I just, I think that's cool.

00:57:45.000 like good for him i i am not i do not become less happy or less fulfilled or less satisfied

00:57:51.560 by someone having more well you know what i think this is important thing

00:57:55.480 you need a one needs a field of expertise if you have something where you can go i have an

00:58:08.340 expertise in this you're never going to feel lesser than in a sense like if you are you know

00:58:16.740 like when i was a carpenter i had a field of expertise and and it was pretty good you know

00:58:23.900 and i would come into a nice house and i'd be talking to some guy who was a super successful

00:58:30.020 lawyer or something and i'd be looking around going god i live in an apartment you know i could

00:58:34.800 never afford this but at some point he'd go I don't know anything about I can't hang the door

00:58:41.540 you're the expert you could hang the door and I was like yeah I am the expert you know yeah standing

00:58:47.020 in his house that I could never afford you know and there's a sort of element to owning an expertise

00:58:55.020 now it's not going to work if you're just sitting in a cubicle and you're pushing papers or you work

00:59:00.160 at the DMV or the airport or something like that.

00:59:03.860 But people used to have trades and skills.

00:59:07.180 And when you have a trade and a skill, there's a kind of dignity to it.

00:59:12.660 And you don't really feel beneath people because the rich guy calls the tradesman and the person

00:59:21.340 with the skill.

00:59:22.380 And it's everything.

00:59:23.540 It's the car.

00:59:24.600 It's the plumbing.

00:59:25.520 It's the electrical.

00:59:26.340 it's it's the av system now and stuff like that like you know the real rock stars for rich guys 0.98

00:59:33.920 is the av guy because they invite people over they go we're gonna watch the super bowl damn

00:59:39.960 damn and then all of a sudden the av guy like shows up you know that's the rock star like that's 0.85

00:59:47.740 that's the hero but a feeling having an expertise and it could be the law it could be medical 0.99

00:59:55.580 it could be a stand-up comic but it could also be a welder or a roofer just owning something

01:00:04.860 and knowing something and and even if it's just playing the cello or having a black belt and

01:00:12.560 taekwondo like people need that and all the miserable people you see out there they don't

01:00:19.940 have a field of expertise they don't own anything you know i don't mean tangible things but i mean 1.00

01:00:25.980 all those super angry 25 year old chicks that are like pushing against ice and screaming at 1.00

01:00:32.400 the top of their lungs or all that all those people there is no way you talk to that chick 1.00

01:00:40.100 and she'd go i'm a certified scuba instructor anyway they go fight ice you know what i mean 0.96

01:00:45.040 They don't have an expertise.

01:00:49.580 They don't have a skill.

01:00:51.500 People used to have hobbies and skills and expertise.

01:00:55.000 And that evens the playing field real fast

01:00:58.120 because the super rich guy, he may be super rich,

01:01:02.040 but he does not know how to hang that door.

01:01:04.600 And he knows it, and he defers to you

01:01:07.360 and then thanks you for it.

01:01:08.920 And it also humbles you

01:01:10.300 because the moment you start learning something,

01:01:12.640 you're invariably terrible at it.

01:01:14.300 Yes. 1.00

01:01:14.780 You're absolutely terrible. 0.99

01:01:16.900 You're trying to do it. 0.99

01:01:18.080 It's so basic.

01:01:19.260 It keeps falling apart.

01:01:20.900 And then somebody else does it, and they just put it together.

01:01:23.180 So it doesn't matter how many YouTube subscribers you got.

01:01:26.080 Oh, you played this venue, and X amount of people turned up.

01:01:29.760 If you're trying to hang a painting, you can't do it,

01:01:33.280 and you hammer your thumb.

01:01:34.700 It doesn't matter how much you earn.

01:01:35.880 You're just angry and in pain.

01:01:38.360 Yeah, and also...

01:01:39.740 That's enough about your little theatrical. 1.00

01:01:42.080 and your old lady's up your ass 1.00

01:01:44.120 and your first son's gag. 1.00

01:01:45.580 It's a disaster, I tell you, a disaster. 1.00

01:01:48.120 It's non-binary, okay? 1.00

01:01:49.800 All right, I'm sorry.

01:01:51.240 I must have misread that.

01:01:53.920 They talk in the trades.

01:01:58.900 Yeah, well, also, if you would like to learn

01:02:02.620 and have a field of expertise,

01:02:05.460 you need to study under people.

01:02:08.080 You know, somebody needs to teach you and work with you and you need you can't go, you know, your answer can't be, I know what I'm doing.

01:02:19.440 Leave me alone. It has to be tell me more, which is a kind of humbling experience.

01:02:24.800 You know, all the as a carpenter, all I did was learn from old dudes who did it for a long time.

01:02:31.920 And I just I never told him I knew what I was doing or you're not the boss of me or hey, old man.

01:02:37.880 you're not my dad it was always just like thank you okay all right i'll do that and i'll do it

01:02:43.240 and i'll never do it the other way again once you teach me the right way to do it so there is

01:02:49.940 something i think inherent in human beings that needs that kind of sense like we were talking

01:02:56.920 about before that needs to make your own meal and take care of yourself and and losing that

01:03:04.680 I think we lose a lot of our sanity in that.

01:03:08.900 And, I mean, imagine the utopia we would be living in

01:03:14.040 if everyone just had a skill that they would call their own,

01:03:18.220 an expertise, you know, just something where they went,

01:03:22.280 yeah, I can do it.

01:03:22.940 Like, nobody is ever...

01:03:26.860 When you own something and you're good at something

01:03:29.720 and you can apply that and get paid for it,

01:03:35.300 you have a sense of dignity that, you know, listen,

01:03:39.360 your rich uncle could die and make you a millionaire tomorrow.

01:03:43.120 It still wouldn't make you happy and probably OD.

01:03:45.860 But if you had way less money than that guy,

01:03:49.000 but you did it through a trade with your own hard work

01:03:52.060 and so on and so forth, you can't put a price on that.

01:03:56.800 And I think partly that's because when you have something

01:03:59.220 that you're good at, you inevitably serve other people with that skill. That's how you make money,

01:04:05.160 really. When you said earlier you get paid for risk, I think you get paid for serving other

01:04:09.600 people what they want. That's how the market works. So if you're creating something or you're

01:04:14.740 creating something and other people are prepared to pay money for it, that tells you that thing

01:04:19.820 has value. Therefore, what you do has value. And that's the fulfilling thing about having that

01:04:26.560 skill or having that thing that you're good at, because it tells you you're serving other people.

01:04:32.480 Other people value it so much, they're prepared to part with their hard-earned money for it.

01:04:37.120 And that gives you a tremendous sense of satisfaction. And that's why if you have that,

01:04:41.520 like you say, it doesn't really matter how many billionaires there are. I'm not a billionaire.

01:04:46.560 I probably will never be a billionaire. It's not a goal of mine. I don't feel any which way about

01:04:52.280 that it doesn't affect me because i have things that i'm good at and i enjoy doing yeah i i just

01:04:58.840 i always started to notice that the guys on the job side had a sort of level of sanity

01:05:05.240 and a sort of a self acceptance that i did not see in hollywood or other places where there was a lot

01:05:16.260 of people felt a lot more neurotic you know and just little things like i would always say

01:05:22.580 i always i would do the occasional lunch run for the guys working on whatever project i was working

01:05:31.840 on after i you know made money and i was doing my own stuff and i would just tell them i'm buying

01:05:38.540 lunch and they'd all just go thanks but nobody had any gluten allergies or lactose there's no

01:05:46.920 special diet they didn't say anything because nobody had it because they were their stomachs

01:05:52.040 were all good like they were good their head was good and their stomach was good and they were like

01:05:56.600 satisfied and i would just go on a run and just buy you know 10 cheeseburgers and just

01:06:02.520 You know, they go, thanks, you know, and they just eat them like there was no they were happy to have it. There was no foodborne allergies or anything of that kind. And I started to sort of realize that they're all just a little saner than the normal folks I would see, you know, out in society.

01:06:23.400 And when COVID hit, it really set home that example for me, because none of the blue-collar 0.61

01:06:31.400 guys I work with had any thoughts about COVID whatsoever, and all the white-collar folks

01:06:37.620 I did were all up in their head about COVID.

01:06:41.340 Yeah, I think as well, there's something to be said with the skill that you have, you

01:06:45.980 create something tangible.

01:06:47.740 There's enormous comfort that comes from that.

01:06:50.120 Like, you're a bricklayer, you put up a wall.

01:06:52.820 People go, what have you done today? Oh, we're building a house. We put up the main wall today. Oh, that's great. And then you talk to someone else. What did you do? I don't know if they do some faceless corporate white collar job. A lot of the time they can't even say to you what it is that they did.

01:07:08.780 Yeah, I know. It's true. And it was also, I remember these little goals that people need to have that can measure things. Like I could remember showing up Monday morning and, you know, someone would go by the end of the week, Friday, we got to have this garage framed out, you know, and get it framed out, you know. 0.91

01:07:33.340 And it was almost a little fun trick goal competition.

01:07:38.780 You know, it's like, oh, it's noon on Friday.

01:07:41.160 Yeah, but we almost got the plywood up on the roof.

01:07:44.200 You know that.

01:07:45.040 And it kept you occupied.

01:07:47.780 The time passed much, much quicker.

01:07:51.040 There was a sense of sort of team, you know.

01:07:54.320 And then at the end of the day, you'd be walking out on Friday and you'd turn around and you'd

01:07:59.360 look, and you'd see something that wasn't there on Monday, and you get a sense of some purpose,

01:08:08.120 and to deny people of that is almost to torture somebody. That sense of progress, like that sense

01:08:18.860 of, I remember when I showed up here six months ago, and there was just dirt on the ground, and

01:08:25.220 now you know look at this to do that and then to repeat that constantly is wildly satisfying

01:08:34.180 and to do the opposite of that which is just enter data into something that was kind of infinite

01:08:40.980 never went away or work at the you know at the dmv just stamping stuff and putting like

01:08:46.900 and also when you go to the dmv everyone's miserable for a reason you're asking them

01:08:53.860 to do something that probably humans shouldn't be doing,

01:08:57.780 which is just sitting in the same place

01:09:00.580 with the same group,

01:09:02.180 doing the same monotonous nothing burger

01:09:04.520 day in and day out.

01:09:06.040 I just remember when I was doing the comedy clubs

01:09:09.360 and I was emceeing a gig,

01:09:11.560 I always had this routine

01:09:12.920 when immediately I asked somebody what they did

01:09:15.200 and they'd say something like,

01:09:16.900 I'm an international consultancy operator,

01:09:19.160 just picking three words.

01:09:20.780 And I used to say,

01:09:21.440 See, that's the definition of a proper London job, because it's got three words.

01:09:26.240 Individually, they mean something.

01:09:27.980 You put them together.

01:09:29.260 They mean f***ing cool.

01:09:30.760 All right.

01:09:31.360 And I'd go to and I'd go, this is how you know someone's got one of those London jobs,

01:09:35.420 because they can't say what it is that they do.

01:09:37.960 And I'd say to them, what do you do?

01:09:39.340 And they would never be able to say that.

01:09:41.540 And you'd get a big laugh in the room and it'd be funny and then we'd move on.

01:09:45.000 But you go, inherent in that is a tragedy.

01:09:47.520 because people are dedicating the majority of their lives to doing something that they can't

01:09:54.400 explain what it is that they actually do and therefore has no value yeah and they're getting

01:10:02.180 compensated for it but the compensation thing is you know it's all relative and in it and it

01:10:12.220 It isn't the end-all, be-all.

01:10:13.680 I think some people think how much you get paid is sort of the end-all, be-all.

01:10:19.420 But the dignity part of work, man, that's the big part.

01:10:27.480 And the balance part of work, too, where you're not just in the same place doing the same thing day in and day out is important.

01:10:37.660 And I think what we're missing is when the politician says, I'm going to get you all this stuff so that you can live in dignity, they are robbing that person of dignity.

01:10:54.900 Like what they should be saying is, I'm going to help get you trained up and you can have a skill and you can be proud of yourself.

01:11:03.220 I mean, working and earning, it is such a huge part of a person's life.

01:11:11.700 I mean, probably more so for males, but all creatures need to feel like they're contributing.

01:11:19.660 The notion of we'll go get you some stuff and bring it by your apartment so you can get fat off it, it's insane.

01:11:29.420 And it's also like we understand this very well.

01:11:33.840 Like at every national park, every national park, the dumpsters behind the restaurant have a lid with a lock on them because bears will get in there and they'll just start eating.

01:11:45.880 And you don't want the bears coming to dinner behind the restaurant.

01:11:51.140 You want them out doing what bears are supposed to do.

01:11:54.760 And they would tell you it's not healthy to have the bears come and eat for free.

01:11:59.420 The bears are going to get fat.

01:12:00.720 They're going to get dependent on the junk from the restaurant.

01:12:03.700 They're going to resent Adam Carolla.

01:12:05.980 They're not going to vote Republican.

01:12:08.160 So you're going to hurt the bears.

01:12:11.140 We understand it.

01:12:12.360 It's the same thing with human beings.

01:12:14.480 Like, you're going to hurt them.

01:12:16.080 You are hurting.

01:12:17.020 Coming all the way back around to the beginning of the conversation,

01:12:19.700 I kind of always thought that of all the places I've been in the world,

01:12:23.440 and I've traveled to a fair few countries,

01:12:25.060 America was uniquely a place that was built and populated by people who had that mindset.

01:12:33.120 Yes, it was.

01:12:34.360 I mean, it was, but I am the father of two people who grew up wildly different than I did because I was their dad.

01:12:47.420 And they have different expectations quickly, like in one generation.

01:12:53.800 You know what I mean? 0.97

01:12:54.600 I grew up hungry and poor and sort of ready to go out and bust my ass and take chances and do whatever it took and risk and nose to the grindstone. 0.94

01:13:07.280 And, you know, I would do anything to just get out and get busy and do anything. 0.78

01:13:14.780 My two kids, who are good kids, have an utterly different relationship with life.

01:13:22.800 they would not do any of the stuff i did or do now they don't have to so they got i've said to

01:13:30.800 someone the other day they grew up in a house with seven zones for air conditioning seven

01:13:37.380 six or seven different zones for air conditioning i said i grew up in a house that had two zones we

01:13:45.820 had miserable and suicidal did you grow up in britain adam well we it's kind of funny because

01:13:52.680 We did have zones because there was a there was a window mounted air conditioner in one room and then there was another one over in the kitchen.

01:14:00.380 So in a weird way, we had our own poor version of a zone, you know, but their expectation, what they're willing to do is completely and utterly different than me.

01:14:15.280 And they're my kids and they're not my grandkids or my great grandkids.

01:14:19.700 They're just one off of me. And they have a completely different relationship with life.

01:14:24.760 So, yes, we did come over here and have the pioneer spirit and pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.

01:14:31.780 That was that was then. And this is the insidious part of what the politicians are doing.

01:14:38.040 They are breeding that out of people. Yeah.

01:14:41.940 And also they're incentivized to breed it out of people, because let's be fair, you get the politicians you deserve.

01:14:47.880 We can point our fingers at, you know, whoever you want to point the finger at.

01:14:51.700 The reality is they're doing what works.

01:14:54.380 If it didn't work, they'd stop doing it.

01:14:56.800 A hundred percent.

01:14:58.140 And it's never not going to work.

01:15:01.040 If you're running for school president and you're running on a campaign of, you know,

01:15:08.040 do your own homework and don't use a computer or AI to do it for you.

01:15:12.260 and I'm running on a campaign of add an extra hour to lunch

01:15:16.400 and also get a soft-serve ice cream machine in the cafeteria for free,

01:15:21.200 well, then I'm going to win.

01:15:22.660 Yep.

01:15:23.220 Now, I'm not going to provide any of that.

01:15:26.540 Or I'll take the soft-swirl machine and put it in my bedroom,

01:15:31.000 but I'll win the vote off of that.

01:15:34.760 On that happy thought, Adam, great having you back.

01:15:37.840 As you know, the last question we always ask is,

01:15:39.920 What's the one thing we're not talking about

01:15:41.640 that we should be?

01:15:46.140 I think last time I was probably talking about 1.00

01:15:48.460 gyno-fascism with you. 1.00

01:15:50.820 That's a big one. 1.00

01:15:52.520 I think what we're not talking about

01:15:55.500 is unintended consequences.

01:15:59.760 These things that they try to put forth,

01:16:03.760 they don't live in a bubble.

01:16:07.200 There's an unintended consequence.

01:16:09.920 So if you say, look, what we're going to do is if you have a child and that child is on the spectrum of autism, then the government will pay $1,300 a month for every child.

01:16:24.240 You go, at first blush, you go, well, that sounds like a pretty decent society because, yeah, you got a kid and he's on the spectrum and you could use a little extra whatever.

01:16:35.860 But in 10 minutes, everybody's kid is going to be on the spectrum.

01:16:39.920 So, you know, hey, what's wrong with the hospice center in Los Angeles?

01:16:44.500 Because there's going to be hospice centers popping up and strip malls and ice cream stores and morgues.

01:16:51.520 It's all. And then next, you know, all the stuff we do that sounds good, you know, San Francisco, we'll just give out clean needles so people can have dignity when they inject.

01:17:04.320 It turns into a show immediately.

01:17:06.940 And what I'm saying is, is everything has an unintended consequence.

01:17:13.460 And before you offer it, you better think of what that unintended consequence is.

01:17:20.620 Now, you see it with the huge amount of graft and payola and everything else.

01:17:28.320 You create something and a system will pop up almost immediately.

01:17:33.400 You know, we have birth tourism because we said, if you're born here, well, then you're a citizen.

01:17:42.200 And all this stuff, just like the kid with the autism or just like a family member who takes care of an elderly person getting a stipend.

01:17:51.040 It all sounds good until 10 minutes later when China is flying people over and they're opening up birthing centers so we can have birth on our soil. 0.59

01:18:02.740 so your kid can have dual citizenship.

01:18:05.320 I'm just saying, whatever your plan is,

01:18:09.320 there is unintended consequences that are coming.

01:18:14.020 And you better think long and hard

01:18:16.460 what that is before you offer the plan.

01:18:21.240 Because once the plan is offered,

01:18:24.100 we have trouble getting rid of it in this country.

01:18:27.460 And then we have birth tourism now

01:18:31.840 and everyone's on the spectrum and all, you know, 0.89

01:18:34.240 whatever's going on with the Somalians in Minnesota

01:18:36.680 and whoever's going on in Los Angeles

01:18:38.920 and all the Nick Shirley stuff,

01:18:40.480 it's endless because you offered something.

01:18:43.540 And I frankly don't think we can offer it anymore.

01:18:49.420 I think people want to police it.

01:18:52.400 I don't think there's a policing of this many people

01:18:55.820 if you're going to offer this.

01:18:57.740 How do you know how many kids are on the spectrum?

01:19:00.640 You invented something called on the spectrum. Everyone I've ever dated thinks I'm on the

01:19:06.200 spectrum. I should be entitled to money if you think about it. So I think you have to get rid

01:19:13.480 of the offering. I think many of these things just need to go away. I don't see how we can

01:19:20.220 police them. Obviously, we're not very good at policing and there's billions of dollars

01:19:24.980 just going out the window so to me unintended consequences no matter whether it's on the micro

01:19:34.020 or the macro level you know whether it's you going oh there's a stray cat out there i'm going to put

01:19:40.400 a saucer milk out every night for the stray cat you're gonna have a hundred stray cats in a week

01:19:45.000 you didn't think that you thought you're being kind to the cat and maybe you are and maybe you

01:19:51.240 want to continue to do that. But what I'm saying is, is rest assured it's not just this thing.

01:19:57.020 It's what comes next. Adam, great having you on. Thank you so much for coming on. We look forward

01:20:03.600 to having you back when something terrible happens in this country, which inevitably it always does.

01:20:08.300 Really appreciate your time. Head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where Adam's going to answer

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01:20:18.560 even though you have opposite political views.

01:20:20.920 Why aren't there more examples of Hollywood people

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`"decline civilization"~5`	Both words within 5 words of each other.

`misogyn*`	Any word starting with "misogyn": misogyny, misogynist, misogynistic…
`feminizm~1`	Words one letter off: catches typos and transcription errors.

`person:"Andrew Tate"`	Episodes where they host, guest, or are mentioned.
`host:"Glenn Beck"`	Episodes they host.
`guest:"Jordan Peterson"`	Episodes they appear on as a guest.
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`show:"Bannon's War Room"`	Episodes from one show.

`topics:abortion`	Episodes tagged with a topic (see the Topics page).
`summary:"Andrew Tate"`	Words in the episode summary. Summaries are machine-written and can be wrong.

`"great replacement" AND episode_date:[NOW-1YEAR TO NOW]`	From the past 12 months.
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`"high value" AND misogyny_count:[100 TO *]`	Episodes with 100 or more sentences flagged as misogynistic. Also: hate_speech_count, toxicity_count, word_count.

TRIGGERnometry - November 07, 2026

＂The Winning Message in Politics Is Envy＂ – Adam Carolla

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