TRIGGERnometry - September 22, 2022


Theo Von： I Used Comedy to Change My Life


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Length

53 minutes

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184.58458

Word Count

9,865

Sentence Count

611

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

37


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00:00:00.700 Broadway's smash hit, the Neil Diamond Musical, A Beautiful Noise, is coming to Toronto.
00:00:06.520 The true story of a kid from Brooklyn destined for something more, featuring all the songs you love,
00:00:11.780 including America, Forever in Blue Jeans, and Sweet Caroline.
00:00:15.780 Like Jersey Boys and Beautiful, the next musical mega hit is here, the Neil Diamond Musical, A Beautiful Noise.
00:00:22.660 April 28th through June 7th, 2026, the Princess of Wales Theatre.
00:00:27.120 Get tickets at Mirvish.com.
00:00:30.000 Hello.
00:00:31.100 Oh, no way, bro.
00:00:33.500 I'm Francis Foster.
00:00:35.000 Oh, come on, dog.
00:00:36.360 You got to do better than that.
00:00:37.800 I agree with you.
00:00:38.780 Thank you.
00:00:39.220 Sorry, man.
00:00:40.460 Yeah, there was just something.
00:00:41.820 There's something great about having fucking nothing, you know?
00:00:45.480 Because nobody can take anything from you.
00:00:47.560 I didn't want people to see my background and where I'm from and think that that's me.
00:00:52.940 The last people that really anybody felt safe to make fun of in, like, mainstream media felt like,
00:00:59.240 poor white people
00:01:01.460 you know
00:01:02.860 like we did it all
00:01:04.480 like laughter will keep you warm
00:01:08.640 you know it's like so if you don't have anything
00:01:10.880 poor people sit around
00:01:12.620 they're more connected you know
00:01:14.560 there's not as much
00:01:16.520 sheltering from the world there's not any like
00:01:18.420 hedges or any gates all your shit's
00:01:20.620 hanging out the window
00:01:21.460 we don't do you guys have like
00:01:24.040 different pets and stuff dogs yeah
00:01:26.360 what about also
00:01:28.320 hamsters yes yes okay Theo we're normal people over there yeah I don't think anybody could
00:01:35.360 realistically look at me and think that I've never said the wrong thing
00:01:41.760 what's the one thing when not bad not bad
00:01:47.460 and I sat out there and watched smoke the cigarette out there
00:01:51.960 right out there and that's the one thing no one's talking about huh and that's the one thing no one's
00:01:57.560 There was seven of these women in there.
00:02:01.100 I can see why you brought it up.
00:02:14.440 Hello.
00:02:15.240 Oh, no way, bro.
00:02:17.800 No fucking way, dog.
00:02:21.820 That's not real, huh?
00:02:23.180 Look, we do a formal intro, all right?
00:02:28.800 Let's just get it over with, all right?
00:02:31.460 That's how we normally start our interviews, let's get it over with.
00:02:33.900 Right, hello and welcome to Trigonometry.
00:02:37.300 I'm Francis Foster.
00:02:38.560 Oh, come on, dawg.
00:02:39.980 You've got to do better than that.
00:02:41.380 I agree with you.
00:02:42.320 Thank you.
00:02:42.760 Sorry, man.
00:02:43.580 I'm not trying to tell you what to do.
00:02:44.940 You know what you're doing.
00:02:46.620 But you've got to try harder, bro.
00:02:50.740 All right.
00:02:51.400 All right.
00:02:53.500 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.
00:02:56.220 I'm Francis Foster.
00:02:57.580 I'm Constantin Kissing.
00:02:58.780 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations
00:03:02.620 with fascinating people.
00:03:04.140 Our brilliant guest today is already taking the piss out of us.
00:03:07.020 It's the amazing American comedian Theo Vaughn.
00:03:09.100 Welcome to Trigonometry.
00:03:10.140 You guys have, we call it autism.
00:03:14.620 I don't know what you guys call it, bro, but we got it over here.
00:03:18.780 Everybody's got it.
00:03:19.660 Everybody's got it.
00:03:20.460 Every celebrity has it when they have a movie coming out.
00:03:22.700 Right.
00:03:23.680 They get it like the week before, bro.
00:03:25.520 They get autism and then the movie comes out.
00:03:27.920 And then they fix it or whatever, you know?
00:03:30.120 But you guys definitely, bro.
00:03:31.720 What makes you think we have autism?
00:03:33.440 Oh, I grew up around a ton of autism, dude.
00:03:35.660 We used to have a lot of people, a lot of adult, like in middle-aged kind of women with their shirts off, yelling stuff.
00:03:43.380 That's autism right there.
00:03:45.060 Okay.
00:03:45.720 It's good to know.
00:03:46.500 It's educational.
00:03:47.520 Yelling at vehicles.
00:03:48.660 Theo, let me explain something for the viewers because they're not used to seeing us like this.
00:03:52.120 Right.
00:03:52.700 We just did a Joe Rogan show, and halfway through the thing,
00:03:56.320 he sparked up a massive blunt.
00:03:58.140 So we are a little bit stoned,
00:04:00.380 and you've been taking the piss out of us for the last 20 minutes.
00:04:03.960 Yeah.
00:04:06.080 And I think you're going to carry on with that.
00:04:08.740 But listen, you're very famous here in the US.
00:04:11.760 Fewer people know about you in the UK.
00:04:14.380 And one of your favourite routines that I love is you talk about growing up.
00:04:19.660 It's a routine about white privilege,
00:04:21.120 where you talk about growing up the way that you did.
00:04:23.480 What's your backstory, man?
00:04:25.240 What's your story?
00:04:26.640 My backstory, pretty much, you know, I grew up in Louisiana.
00:04:31.340 So Louisiana is a French territory.
00:04:34.880 It was like a French territory.
00:04:36.200 I think we bought it from France, right?
00:04:37.760 I don't know.
00:04:38.320 I don't know what happened, actually.
00:04:40.160 But we lived there when I was young, and it was good, man.
00:04:45.920 You know, a lot of, you know, it was just a lot of, like,
00:04:49.980 a lot of like
00:04:51.820 you have hitchhiking
00:04:52.940 and stuff in your country?
00:04:53.920 Yeah, yeah, man.
00:04:54.440 A lot of people like that.
00:04:55.700 You know?
00:04:56.220 Right, yeah.
00:04:56.880 A lot of people
00:04:57.380 that are hitchhiking
00:04:57.940 but they're not leaving.
00:04:59.080 Yeah.
00:04:59.780 They're just staying.
00:05:01.000 So it's a place
00:05:01.980 where people end up basically.
00:05:03.500 Yeah, people end up.
00:05:04.380 People get dropped off.
00:05:05.500 People hide.
00:05:06.920 A lot of pirates
00:05:07.820 used to come through there
00:05:08.580 a long time ago
00:05:09.340 in the history.
00:05:10.660 Yeah.
00:05:11.720 You didn't go up
00:05:12.560 to that period, right?
00:05:13.720 No, no, no.
00:05:15.160 I'm modern,
00:05:15.960 you know,
00:05:16.280 semi-modern times.
00:05:17.400 Right, right.
00:05:17.960 But yeah,
00:05:18.280 so I grew up there, man.
00:05:19.080 My dad was real old and my mother was regular aged and we grew up there and we had a nice
00:05:24.340 time, pretty much.
00:05:25.300 Not that great, but the place was good.
00:05:28.080 A lot of good recipes.
00:05:29.640 Yep.
00:05:30.500 And what else I'm trying to think that you guys would know about?
00:05:35.140 Tell us the stuff you think we don't know about.
00:05:36.700 Just tell us everything.
00:05:38.080 That I don't think you know about?
00:05:39.160 Yeah.
00:05:40.380 Well, do you guys have like, do...
00:05:49.080 Do people, do you guys like go on vacation?
00:05:53.380 Sure.
00:05:54.000 Yeah.
00:05:54.220 And what do you call it?
00:05:55.240 Holiday.
00:05:55.920 Yeah, that's good.
00:05:58.200 Let me think about what else.
00:06:01.480 We don't, do you guys have like different pets and stuff?
00:06:05.860 Yeah.
00:06:06.160 Yeah.
00:06:06.540 Okay.
00:06:07.160 Dogs, yeah.
00:06:07.960 Yeah.
00:06:08.620 What about also hamsters?
00:06:11.060 Yes.
00:06:11.420 Yes.
00:06:11.940 Okay.
00:06:12.340 Theo, we're normal people over there.
00:06:14.840 Yeah.
00:06:15.260 Yeah, we have the same shit that you do.
00:06:17.180 Okay, all right.
00:06:17.960 We speak the same language.
00:06:19.260 All right.
00:06:19.720 I mean, it doesn't sound the same when it comes out of us,
00:06:22.060 but it's the same language, I promise you.
00:06:23.880 Yeah, I'm trying to think of what else I was trying to,
00:06:25.720 I was going to think about asking you guys, man.
00:06:28.760 Because I never knew that much about Britain,
00:06:32.300 to be honest with you.
00:06:33.780 I like, oh, what about the Welsh?
00:06:36.120 Tell me about that.
00:06:37.040 Right, the Welsh, man.
00:06:38.120 Well, the Welsh are, see, Britain is tiny
00:06:42.200 compared to America, obviously.
00:06:43.980 Yeah.
00:06:44.320 But it's also got, you know, different countries
00:06:46.720 within the union, four countries within the union.
00:06:49.620 Like four states?
00:06:50.420 Yeah.
00:06:50.640 Like you do.
00:06:51.260 But except they speak different languages, Theo.
00:06:54.180 Oh, really?
00:06:54.960 Yeah, see, the Welsh have got their own language.
00:06:56.960 I mean, language, it's more like...
00:06:58.420 Right, so you've got them.
00:07:00.140 The Irish, the Northern Irish, they've got...
00:07:01.920 Careful.
00:07:02.260 Yes.
00:07:03.000 Careful.
00:07:03.680 You're Irish.
00:07:04.460 No, no, but they like blowing shit up, man.
00:07:06.740 Yeah, man.
00:07:07.280 Oh, like Joe Joyce and them boys, eh?
00:07:09.200 Yeah.
00:07:09.660 Yeah, exactly.
00:07:10.900 I don't know who Joe Joyce is, but I'll go with it.
00:07:13.080 And so they've got Gailey.
00:07:14.640 I don't know who Joe Joyce is.
00:07:15.840 It could be completely...
00:07:16.800 He's an online...
00:07:17.880 Yeah, he fights online.
00:07:19.080 He fights senior citizens online.
00:07:20.900 He fights what?
00:07:21.880 They meet up in parking lots and stuff and fight.
00:07:23.940 It's like senior citizens and children.
00:07:24.880 Okay, so definitely not like that.
00:07:26.640 Yeah.
00:07:27.200 Definitely.
00:07:27.640 No, no, no.
00:07:28.160 There was a big conflict there
00:07:29.740 and they were using bombs to blow shit up.
00:07:31.540 Oh, Christ.
00:07:32.440 That's why I'm saying to take it easy
00:07:33.940 because I don't want to get blown up.
00:07:35.580 Yeah, exactly.
00:07:36.600 Right?
00:07:37.060 Is that fair enough?
00:07:38.220 That is more than fair.
00:07:39.260 And then you've got the Scottish.
00:07:40.660 Yeah.
00:07:40.880 And they're just as fucking terrible.
00:07:43.080 They're fucked, eh?
00:07:43.920 But they're good.
00:07:44.660 Yeah, yeah, they're great.
00:07:45.560 So you've got on this tiny island, man, and Northern Ireland over there,
00:07:49.640 you've got all these different cultures and different languages,
00:07:53.560 and they all hate the English.
00:07:55.320 Oh, really?
00:07:56.380 Yeah, man.
00:07:57.160 So that's it.
00:07:58.280 They don't like you guys.
00:07:59.380 Right.
00:07:59.820 No one likes a winner.
00:08:00.480 I mean, I'm originally from Russia, so it's even worse, but yeah.
00:08:03.560 Oh, wow.
00:08:04.340 Yeah.
00:08:04.800 So you guys are fighting right now too, huh?
00:08:07.080 Yeah.
00:08:07.660 And that's taking forever, huh?
00:08:09.100 Yeah.
00:08:09.580 That's crazy.
00:08:10.500 Yeah.
00:08:11.100 You'd think they'd get it done quicker.
00:08:12.800 Right.
00:08:13.500 That's crazy, man.
00:08:15.000 Yeah, well, let me think about what else.
00:08:17.140 Theo, tell us about you, your story.
00:08:19.680 Come on, man.
00:08:20.660 Like, what do you mean?
00:08:21.240 Like, let me think about what I'm saying.
00:08:22.460 Yeah.
00:08:23.640 Let me think.
00:08:25.660 My story is, yeah, I just grew up and, you know, I grew up just like in a regular place.
00:08:33.740 Just like a lot of people, like, betting on, like, dogs would have babies and people would bet on how much babies they were going to have.
00:08:40.840 and, like, people saw a guy die one time in a fire.
00:08:47.540 People threw him in a fire.
00:08:50.180 Wow, that sounds completely lawless.
00:08:52.440 Just, like, sounds like Scotland a little.
00:08:54.780 But, like, kind of like, but, like, you know,
00:08:57.760 they have a lot of, like, good food, but incest.
00:09:00.660 Right.
00:09:01.080 See, I'm not going to lie to you.
00:09:02.380 It does sound a little bit like Scotland.
00:09:04.380 Right.
00:09:05.240 I thought the Scottish were wild.
00:09:07.080 That sounds considerably more wild.
00:09:09.600 Yeah, I've heard, I mean, yeah,
00:09:10.660 the Scottish I've heard are pretty I heard it's pretty unbelievable over there but um yeah so
00:09:15.660 that's I mean I guess what else was it like well how did you get into stand-up I think my dad was
00:09:21.700 just really old when I was a kid and so I would make jokes about everything you know right I would
00:09:26.480 try to change my reality that's interesting what does that mean Theo you'd like to change your
00:09:32.340 reality well I wanted a different reality you know I didn't like the reality that I had and so I
00:09:37.300 I wanted something different, you know?
00:09:39.400 And so I wanted to be different or feel different
00:09:43.060 or, you know, have different chance
00:09:46.560 than I felt like I had probably in the world.
00:09:50.160 I felt like I probably didn't have a strong chance.
00:09:52.840 What was that for you?
00:09:54.780 What was what?
00:09:55.700 Why did you feel like you didn't have a strong chance?
00:09:58.040 I think just because of where I was from, you know,
00:09:59.820 just like poor, white, you know, like not,
00:10:03.160 we weren't trashy, we were like,
00:10:04.840 and we were just like poor, you know, just like, I don't know, people just kind of treat you
00:10:10.760 different. People in the neighborhood don't have as much opportunity, you know, a lot of, not a lot
00:10:14.220 of people kind of get out of there and do pretty well. So I think, yeah, I think I was like, I want
00:10:20.720 to have a, you know, I want to have a real chance, you know. And so I started to find ways to like
00:10:26.540 adjust my reality mostly with um you know using my imagination or um you know I would like
00:10:35.860 do things like I don't know like bike to school so I didn't have to ride the bus from like with
00:10:42.780 the poor kid just stuff like that you know so yeah I don't know is that what you're asking
00:10:48.260 yeah that's great you know what I find really interesting about that is that you very few
00:10:53.980 people who grow up from that type of background feel have that drive do you know what i mean
00:10:58.840 because most people it doesn't matter where they're born into they look around and they
00:11:02.580 just want to be the same as everyone else for obvious reasons you think that's true i think
00:11:06.680 i believe that yeah yeah man oh wow but you were you had were different yeah what was it about that
00:11:13.280 who gave you that well how did you get it how did you get it damn that's a good question man
00:11:18.940 i think um i don't know i think i just didn't like things so much that they didn't i didn't
00:11:28.780 have any other they had to be different you know right i just i don't know it's a good question
00:11:34.340 man i never thought about it you know yeah i just like you know i would get involved in different
00:11:39.420 stuff that seemed like i'd have new opportunities or find good friends who i felt like you know
00:11:46.600 weren't going to be stuck in the same spaces i don't know i think i just maybe maneuvered well
00:11:51.060 amongst it all yeah you know kind of yeah but i miss it sometimes i miss just some of the
00:11:56.160 simplicity of it what do you mean by that just people like you know just been mates back then
00:12:02.000 and stuff you know just had a buddy like i used to work on this farm for a while and i had a buddy
00:12:06.400 who would he'd take his shirt off and go lay on the concrete after it rained you know just to stay
00:12:12.300 you know, because he liked the feeling of the concrete on his skin.
00:12:15.840 Broadway's smash hit, the Neil Diamond musical,
00:12:18.740 A Beautiful Noise, is coming to Toronto.
00:12:21.580 The true story of a kid from Brooklyn destined for something more,
00:12:25.100 featuring all the songs you love, including America,
00:12:28.140 Forever in Blue Jeans, and Sweet Caroline.
00:12:30.840 Like Jersey Boys and Beautiful, the next musical mega hit is here,
00:12:34.920 the Neil Diamond musical, A Beautiful Noise.
00:12:37.660 Now through June 7th, 2026 at the Princess of Wales Theatre.
00:12:41.560 Get tickets at Mirbish.com.
00:12:46.740 But that's really interesting because people would look at you and go,
00:12:50.680 this guy is, you know, he's a comedian, he's successful, he makes good money,
00:12:56.020 he's got everything, and yet you look back at a time where you were growing up poor.
00:13:02.020 Yeah.
00:13:02.620 And you say that you miss it.
00:13:05.160 Yeah, there was just something, there's something great about having fucking nothing,
00:13:08.800 you know because nobody can take anything from you right you know when you got nothing you got
00:13:14.960 literally have nothing to fucking lose other people say to each other oh you got nothing to
00:13:19.960 lose that's bullshit you know yeah but when you have nothing dude it's just god it's nice because
00:13:27.480 you i mean you absolutely you have nothing to lose man and there's no i feel like that's as
00:13:35.060 free as you could feel you know so you felt free but you also felt a very strong drive
00:13:40.820 to get somewhere right yeah i think i just didn't like i think there was enough propulsion like you
00:13:47.280 know my dad was so old it was so embarrassing and and and you know how old was he he was 70
00:13:53.300 when i was born he was born in 1910 holy shit he was a senior citizen right you have that in your
00:13:58.480 They call it senior citizen?
00:13:59.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:59.780 What do you call it?
00:14:00.520 Pensioner.
00:14:00.980 Pensioner.
00:14:01.480 Pensioners?
00:14:01.980 Yeah.
00:14:02.280 Oh, that's crazy, dude, really?
00:14:06.100 Yeah.
00:14:06.720 Oh, these pensioners, huh?
00:14:08.500 So your dad was 70 when you were born?
00:14:11.400 He was older, mate.
00:14:13.240 Wow.
00:14:14.300 He was an older guy and he was just, you know,
00:14:17.440 he was getting, you know, older.
00:14:19.020 And so he would, you know, he would, you know,
00:14:22.140 he was just kind of, he would let me drive
00:14:24.940 as soon as I was tall enough, you know,
00:14:26.680 and just he was kind of a bit lazy so he would just kind of let me drive him around and stuff
00:14:31.520 you know when I was probably 11 and 12 you know and um what's it like what was it like he liked
00:14:38.520 to eat peanuts too and he would let me hold all the shells all the time what's it like being a
00:14:44.960 kid when your dad like when you said your dad was old I expected like to be like oh he had me when
00:14:50.160 his 40s or early 50s. Not 70. What was that like being a kid walking into school and your dad
00:14:57.940 looks like your granddad? Yeah, I think I would pretend a lot that he was my granddad so people
00:15:02.280 didn't know. And what was it like, man? It was like, it was kind of sad, I think, because it
00:15:10.040 made me angry at time. You know, it made me very, you know, if I look at it, part of it was sad
00:15:18.040 because it made me angry at time, you know?
00:15:21.720 It made me feel like time wasn't fair
00:15:23.880 or it didn't do things fairly, you know?
00:15:26.360 So it gave me like,
00:15:30.040 it gave me a grudge against time, right?
00:15:34.960 And maybe that sounds kind of crazy,
00:15:36.200 but once you have a grudge against time,
00:15:40.800 your whole perception gets altered
00:15:42.440 because now you can have feelings towards
00:15:48.040 things that people normally wouldn't have feelings towards.
00:15:52.960 Does that make any sense?
00:15:53.800 Like what?
00:15:54.640 Give us an example.
00:15:55.480 Just like, you don't usually hear
00:15:56.700 maybe somebody think I have a grudge against time.
00:15:58.660 It just seems strange, right?
00:16:00.340 So I think as a kid, when I thought that,
00:16:02.260 then it gave my imagination like,
00:16:05.820 oh, this is a way you could think of this, you know?
00:16:08.660 So I think it kind of inspired my imagination
00:16:11.120 in a weird way to like, want to be more creative, you know?
00:16:15.120 Yeah.
00:16:15.960 I don't know if that makes any sense.
00:16:18.580 No, it does make sense.
00:16:19.580 I can't explain it all because I don't know all the words a lot of times.
00:16:25.620 A lot of times people, like Rogan's great at knowing what he's thinking and saying it.
00:16:31.540 I'm not that great at that.
00:16:33.900 But what's really interesting is your background.
00:16:37.180 You said you had a grudge against time.
00:16:38.960 Does that mean you realized life is finite?
00:16:43.540 There's an end to it.
00:16:44.240 so you had to make the most of every second
00:16:46.900 because you saw that your dad was older.
00:16:49.040 Is that kind of what you meant, or is it?
00:16:50.580 I think it made, I was just pissed at the way things shook out, you know?
00:16:54.220 I was pissed at the way that time did things, you know?
00:16:57.640 I was just like, oh, time, why do you do it like that, you know?
00:17:01.740 And that made you want to sort of look at the world differently, okay.
00:17:04.600 Yeah, I think it just gave my, I don't know.
00:17:06.860 I think, you know, having an old dad alters a lot of things
00:17:11.440 because like for one,
00:17:15.660 the way I communicate with other men,
00:17:17.220 like I didn't, my dad wasn't around a lot.
00:17:19.120 And so I never really learned
00:17:21.060 how long to look at somebody in the eyes
00:17:22.800 when I talk to them, you know?
00:17:26.240 So that was like tough for me
00:17:28.220 to like adjust to over time, you know?
00:17:30.060 And it might seem like a strange thing or whatever.
00:17:32.280 No, I know exactly what you mean.
00:17:33.440 But you learn it from like, you know,
00:17:35.180 doing it with your dad or whatever.
00:17:36.680 So, you know, I think just little things like that,
00:17:39.560 you know, but yeah,
00:17:41.440 I'm not trying to be melancholy or have any-
00:17:43.100 No, no, no, no, this is really interesting.
00:17:45.040 And listen, how did you get from,
00:17:46.980 so you have this creative mind,
00:17:48.520 you're making jokes with people when you're a kid,
00:17:51.560 you want to create a different,
00:17:52.680 you're creating a different reality in your mind and all that.
00:17:55.060 Yeah, I wanted to seem different.
00:17:56.000 Like I didn't want people to see my background
00:17:58.020 and where I'm from and think that that's me.
00:18:01.660 Right, I get it.
00:18:02.700 And it is me like in some of my heart and some of my spirit,
00:18:05.540 but it's not, I didn't choose it.
00:18:08.120 Right, of course.
00:18:09.000 I don't like to be a part of things that I don't choose.
00:18:12.320 That makes sense.
00:18:13.180 Me neither.
00:18:13.840 So how do you go from that to stand-up?
00:18:17.140 Well, stand-up, you just, you, you're fully responsible.
00:18:26.920 You know, they said it was the hardest thing to do.
00:18:29.540 You know, I got out to Los Angeles and they're like,
00:18:31.300 this is the hardest thing to do.
00:18:33.380 And I had done a television show in America, a reality show, right?
00:18:39.000 when i was younger okay today's a different kind of day for theo like about the past month i've
00:18:47.160 seen like i'm in limbo kind of like i'm like i'm between like lives kind of like part ghost part
00:18:53.960 human my father died a couple years ago sorry to hear that and then my mother actually lives down
00:18:59.800 in tucson yeah i think at the age of 14 my mother emancipated me like legally emancipated me like
00:19:06.520 signing the contract and everything that just says that i'm responsible for my own actions and whatnot
00:19:11.560 i mean i think i was kind of a special kid growing up and i really like i could use like a lot of
00:19:15.480 affection i needed a lot of attention she couldn't do it i mean it's going to be hard on me in the
00:19:20.200 future i think because i don't really know how to care about somebody give us know what we're doing
00:19:26.040 clue less wonder what kind of people do y'all think would be here well i knew they would be
00:19:31.560 between 18 and 24 and i knew it was going to be three girls and three guys yeah i got this dream
00:19:37.080 that i got here and everyone else was japanese and didn't speak a word of english japanese
00:19:42.280 i have a big i can't deal with asian people that much i don't think
00:19:46.600 oh my god we're all going to be asian and you exactly you're gonna be like
00:19:50.760 in trouble i just have trouble i've just had trouble dealing with them theo he's 19 he's young
00:19:56.440 um he probably hasn't been around a lot of people of color
00:20:01.560 What in the hell is Theo?
00:20:04.260 That's what I think people think of me when they first talk to me and get to know me.
00:20:07.000 They don't really understand me.
00:20:08.460 Because, I mean, a lot of times I don't even understand myself, you know.
00:20:10.420 I'm surprised, as other people are, at some of the things that come into my head
00:20:13.220 or some of the things that I think about.
00:20:15.580 They just don't know me yet.
00:20:17.020 They don't need to jump on my case.
00:20:18.040 I mean, I'm not jumping on their case about anything.
00:20:20.400 Whenever people meet me for the first time, they laugh at me or something like that.
00:20:23.960 I mean, I just don't understand it sometimes.
00:20:26.700 I've always felt that I was different than other people in a way.
00:20:29.700 I mean, we're in a group right now, but right now, I'm totally alone.
00:20:34.040 It's cool how life takes you different ways and whips you around like leaves in the wind.
00:20:38.540 It's cool how life can just set you on a breeze and show you your country
00:20:41.600 and have the most fun, you know, that you've maybe ever had
00:20:43.780 and learn the most about yourself that you've ever learned.
00:20:45.840 Hey, hey, hey, you sing your song, dude.
00:20:48.240 Oh, yeah, sing the movie song.
00:20:49.420 It's about time right now.
00:20:50.760 Sing the movie song.
00:20:51.520 Well, I ain't got to hurry to get all fixed up.
00:20:54.680 I got an extra space in the cab of my truck.
00:20:57.620 All I have to do is just, like, strap on my seatbelt, keep it, you know, kind of loose, and just kind of enjoy the ride that we're going on.
00:21:04.960 I'm just going to inhale everything and just, like, let it just marinate in my lungs.
00:21:11.500 It's been nice, and it's going to get even better.
00:21:13.320 I can only imagine.
00:21:15.560 People, you know, always think it's ridiculous.
00:21:17.800 It's bollocks or whatever.
00:21:18.820 You say bollocks, right?
00:21:19.620 Yeah, we do.
00:21:20.160 It's bollocks.
00:21:21.680 So.
00:21:23.080 The show you did.
00:21:24.060 Yeah.
00:21:24.280 It was popular.
00:21:26.360 Right.
00:21:26.600 Very popular.
00:21:27.080 But it was just societal-wise, you know, people just kind of pushed it off, you know.
00:21:34.680 Even though now some of those shows are very popular and stuff.
00:21:38.880 And so people were, and I kept hearing, oh, stand-up comedy is the hardest thing to do.
00:21:46.260 So I was like, oh, I'm going to do that then, you know.
00:21:48.740 I want to do the hardest thing that you have to do so that nobody can say that I'm, that I couldn't do, that I'm, so you couldn't associate me with anything else.
00:22:04.060 I didn't want to be, because I'd been part of something that people were like, oh, no, we don't like this.
00:22:09.320 I wanted to say, okay, well, if you're not going to like me, then you're going to have to not like me.
00:22:16.000 on my own, on my own, you know?
00:22:20.240 And so I felt like stand-up was the only way to do that
00:22:22.700 because it's just, you know, it's just you.
00:22:28.900 And it's just, there's no cheating.
00:22:32.600 There's no nepotism or whatever, or nepotism.
00:22:36.480 Nepotism, no, you said it right.
00:22:38.000 Nepotism, yeah.
00:22:39.240 Yeah, there's no nepotism.
00:22:41.780 Your dad can't help you.
00:22:43.220 Right.
00:22:43.580 Yeah, you know, in front of a crowd.
00:22:45.300 on a Saturday night.
00:22:46.760 Your dad can't fucking help.
00:22:47.880 He might be able to help
00:22:48.560 get you in the door.
00:22:49.500 He can help.
00:22:50.100 He can pack the audience
00:22:51.040 a couple of times,
00:22:52.200 but as soon as it starts
00:22:53.540 to show up on his,
00:22:55.440 too much on his invoices,
00:22:57.120 he's going to stop doing it,
00:22:59.140 you know?
00:22:59.500 And so that's what I like.
00:23:00.760 There was no,
00:23:02.560 I was in control
00:23:03.460 over what you thought of me.
00:23:05.420 Right.
00:23:05.840 And it was totally up to me.
00:23:07.160 And that finally
00:23:08.360 seemed fair to me.
00:23:10.540 Right.
00:23:10.800 Because I think that life
00:23:11.920 didn't honestly seem that fair
00:23:13.320 before that to me.
00:23:14.180 now that's just how I thought and I don't think that you know I'm not trying to be a downer
00:23:22.680 no no at all I think it just kind of that's I think that's honestly probably how I thought
00:23:27.220 yeah is that I want you to if you're gonna say something about me you're not gonna be able to
00:23:34.460 base it on anything but myself you know right yeah so that felt to me felt pretty good stand-up
00:23:39.180 is very honest right when you're on that stage you're either making people laugh or you're not
00:23:43.620 Yeah, that's it.
00:23:45.540 And you're making people feel,
00:23:46.880 or you're making them do something,
00:23:47.920 but you're doing it, you know?
00:23:49.340 And they're doing it too, you know?
00:23:51.700 It's funny, sometimes I would rather be the person
00:23:53.780 in the audience, you know?
00:23:54.880 Really?
00:23:55.160 I'm not good at it.
00:23:56.540 Really?
00:23:57.200 Like, how do you mean you'd rather be the person
00:23:59.480 in the audience?
00:24:00.200 Because they're having a blast, man.
00:24:02.440 Yeah.
00:24:03.040 I'm having fun too, but I'm having to work
00:24:05.100 and like do the stuff.
00:24:06.620 But they just are having fun, you know?
00:24:09.000 I think sometimes I almost admired seeing that so much
00:24:12.800 that if I wasn't able to easily be that person,
00:24:16.680 then at least I could be a part of like creating that, you know?
00:24:19.600 Yeah.
00:24:21.000 So, yeah.
00:24:22.580 Anyway, sorry, it's a bit long-winded.
00:24:24.020 No, no.
00:24:24.940 Tell me something about you guys, man.
00:24:27.520 Genuinely, Fia, what you're saying is really interesting.
00:24:30.420 And it's not long-winded.
00:24:32.480 You're talking about yourself.
00:24:34.140 And also you're talking to less than most of our guests too.
00:24:37.380 Less than.
00:24:38.100 Less than.
00:24:38.640 I told you, we normally do quite serious conversations,
00:24:41.240 which is why we're asking you,
00:24:42.200 because what we're interested in is
00:24:43.720 you clearly have a brilliant mind for comedy, right?
00:24:47.200 You do, otherwise you wouldn't be where you are.
00:24:49.280 You wouldn't have had the success that you've had.
00:24:51.360 So what we're interested in is like, how do you think?
00:24:53.640 How did you get there?
00:24:54.400 How do you look at life?
00:24:55.480 So this is all perfect.
00:24:57.080 Okay, yeah, because I didn't know exactly,
00:24:59.360 so I didn't want to be doing something that was wrong.
00:25:01.680 No, you're doing nothing that's wrong, man.
00:25:03.880 Okay, cool, man.
00:25:04.800 Yeah, so, yeah, I guess that's how I think a lot about it,
00:25:09.480 You know, I think, yeah, I think that's an answer of that.
00:25:17.760 We referenced it at the start of the interview.
00:25:19.720 One of our favourite routines of yours is the white privilege routine.
00:25:23.220 It's brilliant.
00:25:24.240 It's brilliant.
00:25:25.120 And I think the reason it hits is, look, it's wonderfully funny.
00:25:27.660 Let's just say that first of all.
00:25:28.980 But I think the reason it hits is because you're telling the truth.
00:25:34.060 Yeah.
00:25:34.640 So step us, guide us through.
00:25:37.560 How did you make that happen?
00:25:38.780 And how did you, well, they didn't like, you know, sometimes like poor, poor white people get left out of like the, the poverty conversation.
00:25:47.520 I feel like sometimes maybe it's hard to like, it's kind of shit.
00:25:55.380 Sometimes you're like, if you're white, right.
00:25:58.480 And I'm Polish and Nicaraguan, right.
00:26:00.820 And, but if you are whiter, looked at as a white, you know, whitey, honky, Wiggers, whatever they call them, you know.
00:26:08.780 I don't know what they call them in,
00:26:12.060 what do you guys call them?
00:26:13.180 Chavs.
00:26:13.800 Chavs, yeah.
00:26:15.100 A couple fucking, you know, little chavs, right?
00:26:17.480 At AR.
00:26:20.320 If you are chavs or just regular white people,
00:26:24.280 poor white people, then yeah,
00:26:26.020 I felt like a lot of times when people think of like poor,
00:26:30.820 they think of just ethnicities first a lot of times, you know?
00:26:35.040 And so, and you always feel bad anyway,
00:26:38.140 Because white people, you're just supposed to have money, right?
00:26:40.700 So automatically, out of the gate, you're like,
00:26:42.820 how the fuck do we not have a little bit more money than this, right?
00:26:48.020 If you've had a couple generations and you've shown up in the correct uniform,
00:26:52.740 how would you not have a bit more of a treasure chest?
00:26:58.160 But that's what you get born into, and so that's that.
00:27:02.540 And yeah, it kind of feels like you don't really get a voice sometimes.
00:27:06.460 you know? And then, yeah, so I think that was part of my thing. It was like, I ride the same
00:27:17.120 bus as the poor black kids, the poor, we only had black and white in our town. But like, you know,
00:27:23.880 when people think of, when people think of, yeah, helping, like, sometimes they would miss us,
00:27:32.880 you know it would feel like sometimes and now also maybe that's just a feeling and maybe that's not
00:27:39.420 even the reality but it was my perception sometimes you know i wasn't angry at black people for it i
00:27:45.200 just was like well this is my truth you know right and sometimes it feels like uh they don't know
00:27:53.500 where to put that truth in like a mainstream space right it doesn't fit that if you're not
00:28:02.340 if you're poor and white and not a racist person or, you know,
00:28:06.620 somebody who's mating with their, you know, siblings or whatever,
00:28:12.100 then you, they don't, it's almost like, yeah, we're, yeah,
00:28:18.600 like you don't exist, but you do.
00:28:21.020 And there's a lot of you, you know.
00:28:22.940 And that's really interesting because, you know,
00:28:25.400 whenever like you see people in the UK, like comedians do like,
00:28:28.960 what they would call a racist voice, they would use your accent.
00:28:32.340 yeah yeah do you know what i mean like and immediately you're just stigmatizing a whole
00:28:37.800 load of people the vast majority of them are nice and decent and whatever else yeah yeah that was
00:28:44.960 always crazy yeah i mean that was really rough during like a lot of um when the trump and hillary
00:28:50.720 i think it was i don't know if that was the campaign but one of the campaigns it was like
00:28:54.480 everybody just started really the last people that hollywood was a or like i don't know if it's just
00:29:00.440 Hollywood the last people that really anybody felt safe to make fun of in like mainstream media
00:29:06.380 felt like um poor white people you know yeah like we did it all if we did it all we'd have
00:29:16.480 fucking done it differently I mean we'd have something to show for it you know so I think
00:29:21.940 that yeah that shit yeah but that was the only one you could pick on so I think it's brave if
00:29:27.760 somebody tries to pick on somebody else you know I think it's a little bit braver and I like that
00:29:33.540 that's one of the things that's always kind of kept me wanting to stay in the game is like how
00:29:39.760 how close to the middle of that tightrope can I get you know right um so you like getting close
00:29:49.520 to the line and feeling a bit of that heat there yeah dude yeah I mean I'm you know I don't like
00:29:55.900 to pretend that I'm like a fancy person
00:29:58.240 or that I've never done things wrong
00:30:00.500 or anything like that.
00:30:01.580 I've, you know, I'm not, I'm far from anything.
00:30:05.540 I'm just a regular person, you know,
00:30:08.100 just trying their best or whatever, I don't know.
00:30:10.300 But like, I never, you know, I never,
00:30:15.580 what was the question again?
00:30:17.600 I was talking about getting close to the line.
00:30:19.660 We were talking about the age.
00:30:20.980 Oh yeah, I wish that they would fucking, you know,
00:30:22.980 I wish that if everybody was more cool,
00:30:25.800 then I think the line would be,
00:30:27.160 it would be a lot more fun, you know?
00:30:29.760 So you feel restricted?
00:30:32.620 Let me think.
00:30:34.340 Do you feel like there's jokes that you want to do
00:30:36.200 that you're worried about doing?
00:30:37.560 Is that what you mean?
00:30:38.400 Yeah, man, yeah, I do.
00:30:40.440 But also I think you gotta be also like crafty.
00:30:44.240 You know, like if I hear something that's just like racist
00:30:47.120 or just retarded, like that shit makes me mad.
00:30:50.520 But if you have something that is creative,
00:30:53.760 then that always should be able to at least be admired in some way.
00:31:01.560 But now, yeah, it's a little bit more cagey.
00:31:03.500 What's it like in your country?
00:31:04.800 A lot worse.
00:31:05.600 A lot worse, man.
00:31:06.660 Yeah, yeah.
00:31:07.200 So comedians have been arrested for jokes.
00:31:09.500 We've had investigations by the police into comedians telling jokes.
00:31:14.320 Right.
00:31:14.740 Someone told a joke and the police turn up and go,
00:31:17.120 explain that joke to us.
00:31:18.240 What if you tickle someone?
00:31:20.520 That's harassment, bro.
00:31:21.660 Yeah, that's sexual assault, bro.
00:31:22.960 Oh, yeah.
00:31:23.940 But, yeah, but that's where we are in the UK, man.
00:31:27.700 Damn, bro.
00:31:28.520 Y'all got to get out, dude.
00:31:29.780 Get another boat.
00:31:30.820 We'll send the boat back over.
00:31:32.180 Tell me about it.
00:31:33.240 Tell me about it.
00:31:33.400 But there's nowhere, there's nowhere, new place to go now, you know?
00:31:36.500 Yeah.
00:31:36.860 Because I thought a lot of people were going to come back to you guys in a boat.
00:31:39.820 Really?
00:31:40.460 I thought we were going to, yeah.
00:31:41.700 How come?
00:31:42.540 Just because it, like, you know, I thought people would be like,
00:31:45.040 all right, we're out, you know?
00:31:46.460 We're going to scoot on out, you know?
00:31:48.940 But it's interesting, isn't it?
00:31:49.920 because America is sort of the land of the free, right?
00:31:52.180 You're supposed to be able to say whatever the hell you want,
00:31:54.400 make the jokes, et cetera,
00:31:55.380 but you don't feel that that's the situation now?
00:31:58.160 Well, I think it used to be,
00:32:00.100 but now like the moderate,
00:32:01.920 I feel like that's the situation.
00:32:07.780 You can still, I don't really, I don't get too scared.
00:32:12.920 If you have a crowd, you can go to the audience
00:32:15.360 and you can do what you want.
00:32:16.860 Yes.
00:32:17.380 You know?
00:32:17.780 Yes.
00:32:18.040 So they are more, you know, that's a little more normal.
00:32:22.080 I think if you're just trying to, like, come up and learn in the clubs,
00:32:26.180 I bet it could feel more restrictive.
00:32:28.020 Right, that's what I always say as well.
00:32:30.140 Like, the Theo Vons and the Bill Burrs and the Joe Rogans,
00:32:32.960 there's no problem for them.
00:32:34.980 But if you're coming up to the clubs, it's really, really a lot tighter, you know?
00:32:39.420 I think probably for, yeah, I mean, it's definitely been like, you know,
00:32:44.540 it's been a very I don't know if it's been like a pro-black time in Hollywood kind of you know
00:32:51.700 and in comedy and stuff like that um it's pro-diversity right yeah pro-diversity probably
00:32:57.680 so that's probably a better way to say it you know I think I also think a lot of times with
00:33:01.840 diversity of black and white just because that's all I grew up with yeah that's all we had growing
00:33:05.940 up yeah but um and so maybe I didn't ever know maybe there were a lot more white people in
00:33:13.700 comedy I don't I never super remembered it that way but maybe it was you know I mean my favorite
00:33:18.800 comics were like Richard Pryor and Chris Rock are probably my favorites um this guy Fahini Manwar
00:33:25.080 um so I don't know if maybe there were maybe there was like a racial ceiling I'm sure there used to
00:33:33.100 be because there used to be a one on everything yeah women the same right yeah so I think you
00:33:37.580 want to have some different you know i think there's also the thought of like well this
00:33:46.200 ethnicity this skin color has had its time now it's time for other skin colors so and some of
00:33:53.500 that you almost have to think well fucking maybe that's how time played it out you know it's like
00:33:58.240 i don't you know i don't know what time's big plan is at the end so it's hard to really get a full
00:34:04.720 breadth of it, you know, by just attaching myself to the moment that I'm in, even though it may feel
00:34:12.420 uncomfortable at times, you know, and I may get pissed like, oh, shit, you know, but, um,
00:34:19.780 but me personally, you know, I feel like I'm just, you know, I'm doing okay, and, um, you know, I'm
00:34:25.340 doing my, you know, I feel like I'm trying to connect where I can with people, and, uh, I don't
00:34:31.140 know. I don't know what else to say right now. Theo, do you ever feel like, do you ever worried,
00:34:36.440 are you ever worried that someone will look over one of your old bits and go, oh, that's a bit
00:34:42.240 naughty, and then try and start something or cancel you? Do you know what I mean? Do you ever worry
00:34:47.280 about that? Yeah, I do sometimes. I think everybody listens to their old stuff, though, and is kind
00:34:52.440 of unimpressed by it in some ways because you're evolving. Yeah, unimpressed is different though,
00:34:57.700 brother, because if you are unimpressed, if I'm unimpressed with something you've done,
00:35:01.760 I'm not going to come after you and try and ruin your career. Right. But for some people,
00:35:06.240 if that's what I think he's getting at, which is like, are you worried that people, you know,
00:35:10.220 you said the wrong thing, which wasn't even the wrong thing back then. And now it is and people
00:35:14.500 are going to come after you. Or is that not a concern for you? I don't, I don't think it's not
00:35:18.660 a concern, but I think, I don't think anybody could realistically look at me and think that I've
00:35:26.660 never said the wrong thing you know what i'm saying like i know what you're saying
00:35:35.000 to be honest with you
00:35:36.840 you know right i was yeah i mean i was raised in the breadth of the wrong thing you know so
00:35:45.140 i've heard all of its songs you know right um but do you think that makes you a better comic
00:35:52.260 like in the uk we've got this generation of very like rich posh middle class you know uh went to
00:35:59.360 oxford and cambridge you know they're very smart comedians do you sometimes think that the way you
00:36:04.060 grew up the fact you come from such a poor background do you think that just makes you
00:36:09.060 funnier that adversity that stuff you came through um yeah i think it gets well yeah you gotta have
00:36:18.200 more the worst shit is the thing you know when the word if you don't have any and this wasn't us
00:36:30.180 but this is just like a hypothetical thing if you don't have any like like laughter will keep you
00:36:37.820 warm you know it's like so if you don't have anything poor people sit around they're more
00:36:42.500 connected you know uh there's not as much sheltering from the world there's not any like
00:36:47.920 hedges or any gates all your shit's hanging out the window it's like so you're more like um
00:36:54.600 things just are a lot more real right it's hard to hide being poor is pretty hard to hide
00:37:01.460 you know and so uh yeah and poor people are outdoors more they just hang out outside more
00:37:08.680 And so you're talking with people and laughing.
00:37:11.820 People are going to want to laugh.
00:37:12.900 So you start laughing more.
00:37:16.060 So that's, I think a lot of that just makes sense.
00:37:18.800 Like we hung outside a lot, you know, maybe just as kids,
00:37:22.080 but also parents were out there smoking and they had,
00:37:24.960 some people were, what do you call it, pedophiles?
00:37:29.660 And they had, you know, people, they'd have pedophiles out there
00:37:34.060 trying to fucking hang out with you and shit.
00:37:36.060 And so like everybody's milling around
00:37:38.440 and it's just like it's a good soup to fucking, you know,
00:37:44.060 make dumplings out of, you know?
00:37:45.640 So it's a good soup to make humor out of, you know, really.
00:37:49.140 Because when you got everything right there,
00:37:50.620 all the ingredients, it's just,
00:37:51.720 it's a great time to pull jokes, you know?
00:37:54.280 So I miss, that's some of the stuff that I miss
00:37:56.280 is just the reality was right there all the time, you know?
00:38:00.160 And it's fun. That was funny.
00:38:01.800 Yeah.
00:38:02.980 It was fun.
00:38:04.060 Yeah.
00:38:04.680 And does the life of stand-up, does that make you happy?
00:38:07.860 You enjoy it?
00:38:09.640 Well, it's interesting because it gets pretty lonesome
00:38:12.300 as you get more successful in some ways.
00:38:14.940 Yeah?
00:38:15.480 Yeah.
00:38:16.080 Yeah, it does.
00:38:17.440 It gets pretty lonesome, I think, in some ways.
00:38:21.380 Like, give us an example.
00:38:22.820 Well, like, you go to the audience now,
00:38:24.500 if you have a bigger audience, right?
00:38:26.300 You go there to a theater,
00:38:28.200 and you go out, and they come in from this way,
00:38:30.380 and you come in from the back,
00:38:31.660 and you kind of meet along this line at the stage,
00:38:34.260 and there's not really any co-mingling.
00:38:36.020 and then you both go your separate ways, you know?
00:38:39.620 Whereas I think with the clubs,
00:38:40.840 it used to feel a little bit more like involved
00:38:43.060 and you and your buddies were always there together.
00:38:45.860 But once you kind of go out touring
00:38:47.300 and, you know, kind of make your way
00:38:48.720 and find your success in it, which is awesome,
00:38:53.100 you kind of have to be, it's not lonely,
00:38:56.140 but a lot of that is time, you know, with just you.
00:39:00.080 So I think you have to learn to bring like your mates along
00:39:02.280 and your females or whatever.
00:39:04.140 and whatever, you know,
00:39:07.800 if you bring animal or whatever,
00:39:09.240 if you bring, you know, snacks or animals or whatever.
00:39:12.100 Some people bring a lot of stuff.
00:39:13.160 Same thing, man.
00:39:13.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:15.080 I guess.
00:39:17.760 I guess, man.
00:39:19.100 But that's interesting.
00:39:20.820 Yeah, it's been interesting, man.
00:39:22.960 I guess.
00:39:24.200 I don't know what we're supposed to be talking about exactly.
00:39:26.920 There is nothing that we're supposed to be talking about.
00:39:28.680 We're just having a conversation, man.
00:39:29.840 Yeah.
00:39:30.380 But you guys are like detectives, huh?
00:39:33.040 Yeah.
00:39:33.440 Do we feel like to take this?
00:39:34.800 A little bit.
00:39:35.160 A little bit.
00:39:35.740 Is this uncomfortable for you?
00:39:37.420 No, I don't think so.
00:39:38.500 I don't know.
00:39:39.840 So, but I don't feel like it is that much.
00:39:43.360 Maybe some moments.
00:39:44.440 Okay.
00:39:45.620 But what we're trying to get to the heart,
00:39:48.460 I guess, and we're trying to understand, Theo,
00:39:50.480 is just like...
00:39:51.200 What makes you tick?
00:39:51.980 What makes you tick, the way you work?
00:39:54.220 Yeah, and what, like, I guess, yeah,
00:39:55.980 I mean, you guys are kind of like...
00:39:57.800 It's like unfairness hunters, maybe.
00:40:03.440 does it feel like that is that what you think yeah yeah how so like unfairness hunters like
00:40:08.900 you hunt down things that seem unfair you know what that's a good description yeah is it yeah
00:40:13.580 is it fair or no i think that's a fair description yeah yeah i like that i like things to try and be
00:40:18.120 fair you know yeah and it's hard to equivocate that or figure that out you know right it's hard
00:40:22.520 to figure it out so i think you have to have people that are hot on the case you know that's
00:40:26.540 a good description that's a really really good description man yeah uh yeah and we're not trying
00:40:30.620 to start any shit i'm just we're just curious about how people see the world and from our
00:40:35.820 perspective we you know we we both come from backgrounds where we feel fairness is important
00:40:40.460 people not being mistreated is important you know people not being picked on the because of the way
00:40:45.500 they grew up or what their skin color is or whatever yeah you know either way black or white
00:40:50.040 doesn't really matter right um yeah it was yeah i mean like there's never like the
00:40:56.540 when it came to, like, black, white stuff,
00:41:01.060 it always felt like it was the white person's fault,
00:41:04.000 even if you felt like, you know.
00:41:07.660 Because in our town, black people were having a tougher time overall.
00:41:11.960 Yeah.
00:41:12.460 You know, and so, you know, a lot of times I felt like
00:41:16.520 they got the benefit of the doubt from people,
00:41:18.620 maybe from authorities and stuff they didn't.
00:41:20.640 I don't know what, you know, that's like.
00:41:22.520 I just have only been just me.
00:41:23.980 that's interesting that you say that because like in the uk like we talk a lot about like
00:41:30.140 white privilege and look if you've if you've come from money and you're white you're definitely
00:41:34.280 privileged but there's loads of places in the uk which is just like the places that you grew up in
00:41:40.840 like where these people legitimately have nothing they've got nothing you know and every day for
00:41:45.920 them is a struggle and then for people to come along and go you're privileged to me that's crazy
00:41:51.320 you know right well yeah it's crazy you're like uh well if i am at least give me some of it yeah
00:41:57.560 you know yeah it's crazy man i think but also it's like a lot of the people that say that they
00:42:03.800 they've never they're not from those places no they've never been there they don't know what
00:42:08.940 it's like you know a lot of people like in like in los angeles you know a lot in some of the
00:42:16.640 community, they didn't know what's even, none of them could even relate to anything I was talking
00:42:22.300 about because they just didn't know it, you know? They were all, like, it was mostly people from
00:42:27.380 New York or LA or Boston, you know, and it was more like just from a different kind of class
00:42:34.960 of society sometimes. Not always, but maybe that's going to start changing too, I think,
00:42:40.300 if there's less uh if a lot of like that overtly woke programming kind of goes numb eventually that
00:42:49.520 will have to evolve because i don't think that the entertainment industry
00:42:55.500 really has any couth i don't know if that's the word or not what does that mean i don't know what
00:43:03.240 it means i don't know what it means man he doesn't know it might not even be a word it doesn't have
00:43:06.560 Do you mean like clout?
00:43:08.000 Do you mean like the entertainment industry is dying, Theo?
00:43:10.740 No, I think, but they don't have any real,
00:43:13.900 like, moral compass, I don't think.
00:43:19.060 Yeah.
00:43:19.400 Ah.
00:43:19.980 Or maybe that's not it.
00:43:21.060 That's fucking crazy.
00:43:21.820 No, no, no.
00:43:22.920 Talk about that some more.
00:43:23.940 That's interesting.
00:43:24.940 But they, no, no, this is what it is.
00:43:26.920 They just follow where the money goes.
00:43:28.740 Yeah.
00:43:29.460 That's it.
00:43:30.120 Okay.
00:43:30.660 So today it's woke, we go this way.
00:43:32.820 Tomorrow it's not woke, we go that way.
00:43:34.680 Right.
00:43:35.300 And sometimes the rest of us, I feel like, get played.
00:43:38.680 I don't know if we get played.
00:43:40.680 It's almost like we're all just chasing this tale.
00:43:43.340 And I don't know how it got started, but it's like,
00:43:46.700 because they're just doing it, whoever they are,
00:43:50.620 this hypothetical they are just doing it just to get,
00:43:56.960 they just want us to,
00:43:58.980 like they're just they're just doing it to create a trend or to make money or to do whatever
00:44:06.280 our reaction to it also becomes its own business in a way it's all bizarre i'm not smart enough
00:44:14.200 to know no but that's that is a very smart point that you just made yeah and i don't think it is
00:44:20.040 i do yeah you know well i don't even know what the point is to be real honest with you yeah no
00:44:26.560 but that was a good that is a great point you know the fact that that is its own industry
00:44:30.700 and then the reaction to the thing is its own industry as well and you know and that creates
00:44:36.380 jobs and money so that everybody is in their interest to keep this shit going right in a
00:44:41.640 weird way yeah yeah it's what it all is and then in the end it's entertainment so it's like what
00:44:49.940 can we really even say but that we were entertained you know yeah I mean it's painful sometimes
00:44:56.860 some of the entertainment can you know it can be painful or it can hurt your feelings but
00:45:01.260 um but yeah I don't know you know I don't know also what it feels like to be a different ethnicity
00:45:10.340 in America I don't know what a lot of that feels like so it's really tough to say things
00:45:17.320 but I shouldn't feel ashamed
00:45:20.900 to be able to also say
00:45:22.020 what my own experience was like
00:45:23.320 right
00:45:23.540 no
00:45:24.060 not at all
00:45:24.820 yeah I agree with that
00:45:25.700 yeah
00:45:25.980 so
00:45:26.760 it's interesting
00:45:28.580 it's been an interesting line to walk
00:45:30.020 it was
00:45:30.300 it was definitely tough though
00:45:31.760 when people were making fun of
00:45:33.060 just
00:45:33.300 like we were the
00:45:34.860 I was like
00:45:35.460 my place where I was from
00:45:36.620 was like the last scapegoat
00:45:37.960 you know
00:45:38.360 yeah
00:45:38.820 and then they ran out
00:45:40.180 or they'll just keep using that one
00:45:42.340 you know
00:45:42.660 yeah
00:45:42.920 but
00:45:43.960 and what is that like when you just see people all the time like go towards like
00:45:52.260 the butt of the joke the butt of the joke you're the butt of the joke do you know what i mean
00:45:56.140 yeah i think i didn't take it personally but i took it personally for the people from where i'm
00:46:00.700 from yeah you know and i guess maybe i did take it personally some like uh
00:46:06.280 yeah i would see i would see comics say like all these white motherfuckers and just think that was
00:46:15.900 just like if i ever said that about somebody else it would be right yeah you know that's that's that's
00:46:23.100 why i you know i i some people think i'm white some people think i'm not white and that was one
00:46:27.920 of the reasons we started the show because i saw this happening like people were just using it as
00:46:32.180 like a thing that you can just use like that, you know?
00:46:36.800 Yeah, and it's crazy
00:46:37.540 because if something happens to another,
00:46:39.640 you know, it's never a racial thing
00:46:41.560 when it happens to a white person,
00:46:43.380 but it happens to a black person,
00:46:44.440 it feels more racial more often.
00:46:46.360 But then that's also,
00:46:47.520 I can't tell if that's real sometimes
00:46:49.500 or if that's just my perspective.
00:46:50.360 Right, and there's a terrible history there, right, as well.
00:46:52.620 Yeah, totally.
00:46:52.800 That we're all responding to.
00:46:54.180 Yeah, so it's like, yeah, and that's where I think,
00:46:57.420 yeah, those people, a lot of those people
00:46:58.640 were probably mad at time, just like I was, you know?
00:47:00.980 Probably had a grudge against it in some ways.
00:47:03.280 Well, Theo.
00:47:04.780 We're done?
00:47:06.760 You're happy we're done.
00:47:08.560 Oh, I don't even know if we are.
00:47:09.480 No, no, no.
00:47:10.120 I was just going to say,
00:47:11.680 we ask a couple of questions from our supporters
00:47:14.180 once the interview's over.
00:47:15.720 But thank you for your time.
00:47:17.280 I hope it wasn't too uncomfortable for you, man.
00:47:19.120 It's just, we like to find out
00:47:21.180 what makes people tick, what they think.
00:47:23.380 And you probably don't think this,
00:47:25.240 but you've got a very interesting perspective on life
00:47:27.000 that most people don't not only have,
00:47:28.880 but they never get to hear on the screen.
00:47:32.640 You see what I'm saying?
00:47:33.480 Yeah, I guess I do, man.
00:47:35.540 I don't know, man.
00:47:36.740 I mean, I don't know.
00:47:39.740 I try.
00:47:41.200 Sometimes I wish I serviced my own opinions better.
00:47:48.420 What do you mean by that?
00:47:49.300 Do you ever feel that way?
00:47:50.120 How do you mean, Steele?
00:47:51.040 Do you mean like you communicated them better or?
00:47:53.920 Yeah, or just, yeah.
00:47:55.540 I sometimes wish that I could service them better
00:47:57.680 even within entertainment, you know,
00:47:59.440 or within like my standup and stuff.
00:48:00.980 It does feel, I guess, a little sometimes restrictive,
00:48:03.480 you know, you know, or it's just tough to navigate.
00:48:08.900 Yeah, yeah.
00:48:09.740 But, but then in my life, man,
00:48:12.920 nothing's ever really been fucking easy, you know?
00:48:16.100 And I probably wouldn't like it if it was, honestly.
00:48:20.860 How come?
00:48:22.000 I don't know.
00:48:23.400 I just don't think I would take to it, really,
00:48:28.980 if something were real easy.
00:48:30.960 Really?
00:48:31.600 Yeah.
00:48:31.800 You like the hard stuff.
00:48:32.800 You seek it out.
00:48:33.480 I don't know if I like it,
00:48:34.780 but I just think that it,
00:48:37.080 I think that becomes like a right,
00:48:39.080 it becomes what it feels,
00:48:41.660 it becomes common enough for you.
00:48:45.660 I don't know if you trust it more.
00:48:47.840 I don't know.
00:48:48.580 But they say not, you know,
00:48:49.980 I don't know what I'm talking about.
00:48:52.040 But.
00:48:52.600 No, I hear what you're saying.
00:48:53.580 So Theo, last question we ask,
00:48:54.980 and this is going to sound funny given what you've just said,
00:48:57.340 is what's the one thing when...
00:48:59.460 Not bad, not bad.
00:49:02.400 Been a long day, dude.
00:49:04.160 You ask him the question.
00:49:05.440 Yeah, okay.
00:49:06.360 So Theo, the last question we always ask is,
00:49:09.200 what's the thing...
00:49:09.900 Let me look one more time.
00:49:11.420 Is this a mirror?
00:49:12.400 This is a good mirror?
00:49:13.540 Yeah, it is a good mirror.
00:49:14.820 Did this chain be out the whole time?
00:49:16.380 Oh, no, it's good.
00:49:19.440 All right.
00:49:20.120 What's the one thing we're not talking about
00:49:22.720 that we really should be?
00:49:29.460 I think they...
00:49:33.420 Oh, dude.
00:49:34.960 I remember one time I saw these massive birds, right?
00:49:41.200 They call them in your country.
00:49:42.260 Yeah, they call them birds.
00:49:43.340 Beautiful, strong.
00:49:46.520 I swear, bro, I went to this place
00:49:49.660 called Newcastle.
00:49:51.260 Have you heard of this?
00:49:51.860 Yes, yep, we've heard of Newcastle.
00:49:53.760 And this taxi drops me off
00:49:55.940 and there was these,
00:49:58.260 it was like a part,
00:49:59.660 like a,
00:50:00.820 I don't know if it looked like
00:50:01.560 a bachelorette party or something.
00:50:03.240 And in this foyer of like a big,
00:50:06.320 there was a big room,
00:50:07.680 like a big window
00:50:08.720 and they were in there naked,
00:50:10.920 you know,
00:50:12.060 what do you call it?
00:50:13.980 Tits?
00:50:14.540 Yes.
00:50:15.220 Tits.
00:50:16.160 And they were beating each other
00:50:17.640 with pillows in there, bro.
00:50:18.880 And I sat out there and smoked a cigarette out there.
00:50:22.840 Right out there, boy.
00:50:23.640 And that's the one thing no one's talking about.
00:50:25.560 Huh?
00:50:26.120 And that's the one thing no one's talking about.
00:50:27.740 Bro, there was seven of these women in there.
00:50:30.920 I can see why you brought it up.
00:50:33.040 It's an important point, Theo.
00:50:34.440 And it was fucking, it was serious, man.
00:50:36.780 Oh.
00:50:38.240 That was fantastic.
00:50:39.100 Well, Theo.
00:50:40.360 It was serious, bro.
00:50:42.180 See, I can't even do it justice
00:50:43.520 because you can't even believe that it could happen, could you?
00:50:45.380 How, who would get seven women naked
00:50:49.640 and have them pillow fight
00:50:50.620 in front of a big, huge picture window?
00:50:52.660 Someone thought they wanted to be seen, Theo.
00:50:54.840 I don't know, man.
00:50:56.340 That's fucking, that's beautiful, bro.
00:50:58.860 It's good shit, man.
00:51:00.440 All right.
00:51:00.760 So where are you guys headed next, man?
00:51:02.480 We're going to see the comedy show
00:51:04.480 that you're part of.
00:51:05.780 Oh, shit, man.
00:51:06.940 I forgot.
00:51:10.980 Oh, man.
00:51:12.100 Listen, thanks for coming on, Theo.
00:51:13.420 Where can people find you online?
00:51:14.780 Where do they follow you?
00:51:15.520 Just find me online, man.
00:51:18.460 Are you on tour?
00:51:19.600 Nope, not right now.
00:51:21.100 I'll probably get back over there to the UK at some point, though.
00:51:24.220 All right.
00:51:24.580 I want to come to Welsh.
00:51:25.880 I want to come to Scotland again.
00:51:27.960 I want to come to...
00:51:30.400 Ireland?
00:51:31.540 Stonehenge.
00:51:31.960 Do people play Stonehenge?
00:51:32.980 Yes.
00:51:33.420 Yeah.
00:51:33.660 Hell yeah.
00:51:34.160 Not played Stonehenge.
00:51:35.080 You've been to Stonehenge.
00:51:35.860 What do you mean played Stonehenge?
00:51:36.780 I want to play it.
00:51:37.420 Do people ever play it?
00:51:38.380 Do a show there?
00:51:39.420 Stonehenge?
00:51:39.820 Yeah.
00:51:40.860 No.
00:51:42.760 I want to fucking play it for you.
00:51:44.680 You see, that's what made you that attitude.
00:51:47.140 That's it.
00:51:47.920 I've never met anyone.
00:51:49.240 You want it tough.
00:51:49.520 No one's ever played Stonehenge?
00:51:50.560 No, man.
00:51:51.060 It's a historical monument.
00:51:52.620 Yeah, what are you talking about, man?
00:51:55.200 You see?
00:51:55.800 We got to play it, Bob.
00:51:57.280 See, that's the mentality that makes you feel one.
00:51:59.800 Yeah, that's the difference between an American and a Brit.
00:52:02.940 A Brit will look at that and go, that's an ancient monument.
00:52:06.520 An American will be like, yeah, I could feel this.
00:52:10.920 Yeah, man, that'd be wild, dude.
00:52:12.520 But, yeah, I got to get over there, man,
00:52:14.060 and see what's going on more
00:52:15.420 and get a little bit more intel on you guys, man.
00:52:18.200 But, yeah, I appreciate it.
00:52:20.160 All right, let us know when you're over.
00:52:21.460 We'll look after you.
00:52:22.100 Yeah, man, we'll take you out.
00:52:23.360 All right, Theo, a couple of quick questions
00:52:24.760 from our locals, then we'll let you go.
00:52:26.300 All right.
00:52:26.780 All right.
00:52:28.480 We didn't even have any British kids.
00:52:30.200 We had some guy with, like,
00:52:31.840 not like a lisp or something,
00:52:33.080 but something had happened to him.
00:52:34.140 He'd gotten hit in the jaw real good.
00:52:36.340 And people thought he was British all the time.
00:52:38.720 Well, because he had a speech impediment.
00:52:40.600 This is going to make a great behind-the-scenes bit.
00:52:43.700 They called him a queer all the time.
00:52:46.040 And they said he was British and stuff,
00:52:48.080 but he just had a speech impediment here.
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