TRIGGERnometry - They Tried To Cancel Me So Many Times I Stopped Caring - Greg Gutfeld

00:00:01.000 I've been a target of being canceled so many times that I stopped caring.

00:00:06.000 Did you get sued? I'd f***ing sue you if you'd do that to me. 0.98

00:00:09.000 I don't know if I would do that again. 0.96

00:00:11.000 So I got to meet President Reagan, which was a big deal.

00:00:14.000 Ate his dinner when he left the table.

00:00:17.000 Then I got fired from that for an incident involving little people, 1.00

00:00:22.000 the IKEA sex party, and so the IKEA finally sued.

00:00:26.000 So that was, like, not good. Guy lighting his guitar on fire.

00:00:30.000 I thought I was going to turn on all the sprinklers and just get me fired. 0.97

00:00:34.000 If all the sprinklers had gone on, it would have destroyed the net. 0.75

00:00:38.000 It would have, like, the whole network would go down.

00:00:40.000 Greg, are you hopeful for America?

00:00:42.000 Yes, I am. I don't know why.

00:00:49.000 Greg Gutfeld, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:51.000 Thanks for having me here. Quite rustic in here. A lot of books.

00:00:54.000 There are a lot of books. It's great to have you on, man.

00:00:56.000 Yeah.

00:00:57.000 I've been meaning to do this for a long time.

00:00:59.000 Mm-hmm.

00:01:00.000 Tell us your story, because you've got a great show on Fox.

00:01:03.000 People love it, but you've got a fascinating life story as well.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, it's not an overnight sensation.

00:01:09.000 It was a lot of twists and turns.

00:01:12.000 I started in publishing.

00:01:14.000 I think my first publishing job where I did no writing or publishing was at the American Spectator,

00:01:21.000 a small conservative political rag out of Arlington.

00:01:25.000 I was a staff assistant.

00:01:26.000 Got to meet President Reagan, which was a big deal.

00:01:29.000 Ate his dinner when he left the table.

00:01:32.000 That was, like, made the entire $12,000 a year job worth it, was he was at my boss's house.

00:01:41.000 Because Reagan would do, like, two dinners a year. 1.00

00:01:45.000 And he came to my boss's house, Bob Tyrrell. 0.98

00:01:47.000 And I was his assistant, so I was cleaning the place up and all this shit. 0.98

00:01:51.000 And in return, I could stay there. 0.97

00:01:54.000 And when they were finishing, it was, like, 12 people, when they finished eating,

00:01:59.000 I saw that Reagan hadn't finished his chicken.

00:02:03.000 So I moved over around the table, and when they'd, I just scooped the chicken up,

00:02:08.000 and I shoved it down my throat.

00:02:11.000 Like a cat. 0.98

00:02:12.000 Like a cat.

00:02:13.000 It just, it didn't matter, bones, you name it, everything.

00:02:16.000 Because I was just, I don't know, did we have DNA back then?

00:02:19.000 I had his DNA in me.

00:02:21.000 That's all that mattered.

00:02:22.000 That was, like, 87?

00:02:24.000 88?

00:02:25.000 He was still president.

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:27.000 So it was, like, was he, he was, the election was 88.

00:02:30.000 So, yeah, he was president in 88.

00:02:32.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 I was gonna make a joke, so you were like Monica Lewinsky, basically. 1.00

00:02:35.000 Yes.

00:02:37.000 I was the first Lewinsky.

00:02:39.000 Yes.

00:02:40.000 Somewhat unflattering comparison.

00:02:41.000 Yes.

00:02:42.000 I wasn't wearing a blue shirt, though.

00:02:44.000 That's the difference.

00:02:45.000 But, yeah, so I was there.

00:02:46.000 Then I'm, I went back home, moved back home with my mom,

00:02:48.000 because I wanted to be a writer.

00:02:50.000 And so I started writing weird satirical pieces.

00:02:55.000 And I got one into the San Francisco Chronicle.

00:02:57.000 And that was, like, my first published piece.

00:02:59.000 I was very excited.

00:03:00.000 But I wasn't making any money.

00:03:02.000 So I took a job in Allentown, Pennsylvania,

00:03:05.000 as an editor for Prevention Magazine,

00:03:07.000 which was a health magazine.

00:03:08.000 And it was, like, basically the world's largest health magazine

00:03:11.000 for, like, it was, the audience was, like, middle-aged to older women with cats.

00:03:16.000 And so I, I got totally into fitness journalism.

00:03:20.000 And I parlayed that into a gig at Men's Health, which was the, the, we invented abs.

00:03:29.000 You did not know what abs were until Men's Health came aboard.

00:03:32.000 Because remember, before Men's Health, it was all biceps.

00:03:35.000 Mm-hmm.

00:03:36.000 But then abs were the new biceps.

00:03:38.000 And I'd like to think I started it.

00:03:39.000 I wrote all, how old are you guys?

00:03:41.000 43, 42.

00:03:42.000 So it was, you were in your 20s in the 90s.

00:03:45.000 Mm-hmm.

00:03:46.000 So did you ever buy Men's Health?

00:03:48.000 I did buy Men's Health.

00:03:49.000 Yeah.

00:03:50.000 So all those ab cover lines, I wrote those, like, four steps to flat abs.

00:03:55.000 That was me.

00:03:56.000 But it was great, because I understood the whole thing about magazines that I used in

00:04:02.000 TV was packaging.

00:04:03.000 Mm-hmm.

00:04:04.000 And I think that that is something that was missing.

00:04:08.000 Like, it's, like, it's the whole package.

00:04:11.000 It's how it looks.

00:04:12.000 It's, what are the five things?

00:04:14.000 And, like, with Men's Health, it was easy.

00:04:16.000 It was, like, sex, stress, muscle, fitness, nutrition.

00:04:21.000 And it's, like, if you just stuck to those cover lines, you would have a hit magazine.

00:04:25.000 Mm-hmm.

00:04:26.000 And I started to, I had a little chart where I'd throw a dart, and I'd have, like, the,

00:04:30.000 all the little things in a guy's life, and then the setups.

00:04:34.000 Like, five steps to, how to get rid of, the best way to, the worst way to.

00:04:39.000 And then I would just throw a dart, and you, boom, and I'd get a story.

00:04:42.000 That is so interesting, because it's almost like human nature is so consistent over time.

00:04:48.000 Yes.

00:04:49.000 Like, you look at YouTube now, and you go, well, our friends, you know, Steven Bartlett

00:04:53.000 or Chris Williamson.

00:04:54.000 Yeah.

00:04:55.000 I mean, they're doing that.

00:04:56.000 Yeah.

00:04:57.000 No, it's, it's a, it's a big deal.

00:04:58.000 I'm, actually, I find that so refreshing that there, there are, and I, I, I guess that's

00:05:04.000 refreshing, because it's also kind of on our side.

00:05:06.000 Mm-hmm.

00:05:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:08.000 Mm-hmm.

00:05:09.000 Because when you look at the other side, I'm talking, like, politically or socially, they

00:05:13.000 don't look like they care about their fitness.

00:05:15.000 I think it's basically, remember when they started saying fitness was, like, white supremacists,

00:05:19.000 far right?

00:05:20.000 Far right.

00:05:21.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 It was because we were just better looking.

00:05:24.000 I don't know about that.

00:05:26.000 Maybe on the male side, on the female side, this is kind of, if I were a single man now,

00:05:30.000 I'd have to say, the woke girls are kind of hot. 1.00

00:05:33.000 I, you know what, I probably-

00:05:34.000 There are some hot conservatives.

00:05:35.000 Yeah.

00:05:36.000 I don't, I don't mind saying that either, but the woke girls. 0.99

00:05:39.000 Yeah.

00:05:40.000 Okay.

00:05:41.000 You know what's interesting about that is that you're probably, I'd say they're, they're

00:05:46.000 probably the same, but only one side makes beauty, uh, a product of patriarchy. 1.00

00:05:53.000 And so they encourage, like, if, if, if you take a reasonably attractive girl and put

00:05:58.000 her in the woke machine, in three years you won't recognize her.

00:06:02.000 Mm.

00:06:03.000 Because, you know, it's like, I don't need to, I don't need to get dressed.

00:06:06.000 Why would I, why would I do my hair if it's just to please a guy?

00:06:10.000 So you get that kind of, like, weird transformation.

00:06:12.000 I don't know if you remember those things on X where they show a girl before and then

00:06:16.000 after and she, when she's woke.

00:06:18.000 And, uh, and I think you're seeing now the rebound with, like, all the, like, TPUSA.

00:06:24.000 I used to go to those things.

00:06:25.000 Have you been to a TPUSA?

00:06:26.000 It's like everybody there is, like, they walked out of, uh, uh.

00:06:31.000 Ralph Lauren.

00:06:32.000 Yeah.

00:06:33.000 Thank you.

00:06:34.000 I was going to say Teen Vogue, but that would have been a terrible example.

00:06:37.000 RIP.

00:06:38.000 But, uh, where was it?

00:06:39.000 Oh, and then I, yes, I was at Men's Health.

00:06:41.000 I was there, uh, got fired.

00:06:43.000 And then.

00:06:44.000 How'd you get fired?

00:06:45.000 Um.

00:06:46.000 If it's a boring story, skip it.

00:06:48.000 But usually getting fired is kind of funny.

00:06:50.000 There's a number of things.

00:06:51.000 What happened after I got fired was funny.

00:06:53.000 But, uh, I had done a story in, it was like 2000 called The Best Colleges for Men.

00:07:00.000 This is so far ahead of its time.

00:07:02.000 It wasn't.

00:07:03.000 I remember that.

00:07:04.000 What was that?

00:07:05.000 It was probably 2000.

00:07:06.000 Yes.

00:07:07.000 Because I went to college that year and my friends ended up like, dude, you have to read

00:07:12.000 this.

00:07:13.000 It was all about speech.

00:07:14.000 It was all about all the, all the weird, what we would call woke.

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 That was happening on campuses.

00:07:20.000 But I, I can't remember who wrote it.

00:07:22.000 It might've been Harry Stein or Dennis Boyle, some older writer.

00:07:26.000 And it got so much grief within the company because the company wrote it was very liberal.

00:07:32.000 And there was a box there, a sidebar on the worst colleges.

00:07:36.000 And I think the number one worst college happened to be the one that the CEO went to.

00:07:41.000 So that was it.

00:07:42.000 So, but then what happened was I got fired.

00:07:45.000 I don't know how this, I, I, I, you know, I am an editor has some editorial letter that

00:07:51.000 they put in the front of the magazine.

00:07:53.000 So within the week after I got fired, I, I rewrote it and I sent it and replaced the

00:08:00.000 one that was going to print.

00:08:02.000 So the one going to, the one that was supposed to go to print was going to say like, this

00:08:06.000 issue is great.

00:08:07.000 We've got blah, blah, blah.

00:08:08.000 We're interviewing this.

00:08:09.000 But in this case, it said, Hey, just letting you know, I got fired and you know why I got

00:08:13.000 fired.

00:08:14.000 And I go through these reasons and it goes into the magazine, goes to press.

00:08:18.000 And they got a hundred thousand copies printed and before they shut it down.

00:08:23.000 And it was a big story in, in, uh, and, um, I, I would get sued.

00:08:28.000 No, because it like, I didn't do anything wrong.

00:08:32.000 I'd see.

00:08:33.000 Yeah.

00:08:34.000 I think somebody thought somebody who wasn't well versed in what was going on said, Hey,

00:08:41.000 you know, the, the, you know, do you want to do any changes to your, you know, your, this

00:08:45.000 is your, he said, this is your last issue.

00:08:48.000 So do you want to add anything?

00:08:50.000 And I'm like, eh, no.

00:08:51.000 And then I go, wait a second.

00:08:52.000 And then I like did that.

00:08:54.000 And then I was able to buy three copies of it because I can't remember if I was on the

00:08:58.000 West coast or he's, I think it was in the West coast.

00:09:00.000 They came out the first 100,000 came out on the West coast.

00:09:03.000 They had stopped the presses and removed it on the right, which costs, I don't know, half a million dollars to do that.

00:09:09.000 But, um, wow.

00:09:11.000 Yeah.

00:09:12.000 But, uh, but that. 0.98

00:09:14.000 And was that because you've got balls or because you were reckless as a young man? 0.99

00:09:17.000 Both. 0.99

00:09:18.000 Both.

00:09:19.000 Both.

00:09:20.000 Yeah.

00:09:21.000 I don't know if I would do that again, but I ended up, um, it was great because it was great advertising

00:09:25.000 because at that time, lad culture in publishing was coming up.

00:09:29.000 Right.

00:09:30.000 And so there was maximum stuff.

00:09:32.000 And I turned down a job at Maxim when I was at men's health because it wasn't for the editor in chief job, but then stuff.

00:09:39.000 They saw what I did and they needed an editor in chief.

00:09:42.000 So I go over to stuff magazine, which was awesome.

00:09:44.000 What a great job.

00:09:45.000 And we had a blast, did a lot of crazy stories.

00:09:49.000 It was the most, um, gay friendly men's magazine because we hated bro culture. 1.00

00:09:55.000 So we'd have pictures of hot girls, but in the captions would be stuff like, Hey, you like this girl. 1.00

00:10:01.000 I have more pictures of these at my apartment.

00:10:04.000 If you'd like to come over, you know, we'd be like basically hitting on the view on the reader. 0.99

00:10:08.000 We do stupid like that. 0.89

00:10:10.000 Um, then I got fired from that, uh, for, uh, um, it's, uh, an incident involving little people. 0.99

00:10:18.000 Um, where I had, um, I was asked to speak on how to create buzz for a symposium that featured like Oprah.

00:10:27.000 Oh, magazine, um, cosmopolitan glamor.

00:10:31.000 All the, uh, maximum was on the, on the days.

00:10:34.000 Um, what was the other rolling stone?

00:10:36.000 I, the reason why it is important because what happens.

00:10:40.000 So anyway, um, they asked me to speak on how to create buzz.

00:10:44.000 And I said, no, I don't do these things.

00:10:46.000 And, um, and then I thought, wait a minute, this could be fun.

00:10:52.000 And so I call back and they said, no, it's too late.

00:10:55.000 And I said, oh, okay.

00:10:56.000 So I bought tickets, uh, to the symposium and I hired three little people and they all came dressed as different types. 0.86

00:11:04.000 There was a guy dressed in a top hat and like a blah, blah, blah.

00:11:07.000 And there was another guy dressed as like a gangster.

00:11:09.000 I can't remember what the other one, but they were, they were quote, little people journalists.

00:11:12.000 And so they came into the, they came in.

00:11:14.000 So while the, this thing was going on, they would raise questions and they, like, they asked the rolling stone editor, you know, why does rolling stone suck?

00:11:24.000 And then they were like kind of put off.

00:11:27.000 And then one of them is eating, but now I'm not there.

00:11:30.000 I'm in LA interviewing Pamela Anderson.

00:11:32.000 I'm at the sunset marquee.

00:11:33.000 And my buddy, Bill Schultz is there by phone telling me what's going on and it's total chaos.

00:11:39.000 So they're, these little guys, they were eating potato chips and they, they're doing something with clipboards that are really loud.

00:11:46.000 And I can't remember what it was, but it's, it's been documented.

00:11:50.000 But, uh, finally, uh, this, the, uh, what was the name of the, the, the woman moderator, Cindy Levy goes, could you please stop this?

00:11:58.000 And, and one of the journalists goes, it's cause I'm short.

00:12:01.000 And she goes, no, I'm short.

00:12:03.000 And then this woman stands up and she goes, can we all just agree something's happening here?

00:12:08.000 This is not, this is not normal.

00:12:10.000 And like, nobody would back her up because they were so scared of like being offensive to little people.

00:12:16.000 So she's going, there's obvious there's a thing going on.

00:12:19.000 So finally they got the security to escort the little guys out.

00:12:25.000 And, um, the, uh, they were, they were like, somebody did this.

00:12:30.000 And they, and they thought it was the editor of Maxim who was up on the days and he's livid.

00:12:36.000 He's like, I had nothing to do with this.

00:12:38.000 So Dennis publishing, which published Maxim and stuff, they're like, they're fielding calls about this whole thing.

00:12:44.000 And then I take credit for it.

00:12:46.000 And I just thought it was hilarious.

00:12:47.000 And everybody at Dennis publishing was so pissed off at me.

00:12:50.000 So, uh, so then that led to, so you got fired.

00:12:55.000 Yes, I got fired, but I got, I did this thing where I got fired and promoted.

00:12:59.000 So they said, so Steve Colvin, who was the head of the company goes, you know, we're going to transition you out to be the department, department of brand development in Los Angeles.

00:13:11.000 This was basically saying, it's like what you guys call gardening gardening.

00:13:16.000 They just wanted me away from the product.

00:13:18.000 And, uh, and so, um, they said, you're going to be director of brand department.

00:13:23.000 You're going to be dealing with, you know, pitching pilots to like MTV.

00:13:27.000 And I go, okay, I know I'm fired, but I go, okay.

00:13:30.000 And I go, and I, and I said, uh, so is this a promotion?

00:13:34.000 And he said, yeah, it's a promotion.

00:13:36.000 Cause he thinks that will get me to say yes.

00:13:38.000 I go, great.

00:13:39.000 Then I should get a raise.

00:13:40.000 So I got a raise and I worked for, so they sent me to LA.

00:13:44.000 I, all I did was basically drink and do other sort of things.

00:13:48.000 And, uh, and, but I did pitch a few things that got made, but I was basically just miserable living in, uh, what do you call those?

00:13:55.000 The Westwood, I think called the Westwood.

00:13:58.000 They're like corporate apartments.

00:13:59.000 I was there for a while.

00:14:01.000 And then as my contract for that year is up, which is, they're going to just let me go.

00:14:06.000 And I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:14:08.000 Dennis publishing calls me again and they go, would you be interested in becoming editor of Maxim UK?

00:14:15.000 And it's like, they fired me and then they want me back.

00:14:18.000 Hmm. 0.81

00:14:19.000 And so I, I, uh, meet with, um, and Felix, who's the owner, who's, who died a couple of years ago, crazy mother, uh, crackhead or former crackhead.

00:14:30.000 Uh, just a classic legend, um, was saying, you don't want to do this.

00:14:36.000 You like, I'm telling you, but they said, no, this is what we, you know, think of the story.

00:14:41.000 American comes to the UK, uh, and Maxim is in third place.

00:14:46.000 We can move it up past.

00:14:47.000 I think it was like FHM loaded loaded.

00:14:51.000 Yeah.

00:14:52.000 And, uh, um, so I, I take the job.

00:14:55.000 I get like, I think it was like a two year contract and I just start changing the magazine, doing a lot of, um, unusual things that again, got me into trouble.

00:15:04.000 Uh, the Ikea sex party, which was where we took, we made instructions on how to put, uh, Ikea furniture together.

00:15:12.000 But, um, with, but with Kama Sutra models, like women having like, while you're putting a table together, you're also doing doggy style. 1.00

00:15:22.000 And it's like all illustrated.

00:15:24.000 It was the, it was like, I think I got, I think I must've been fired a couple of times during that two year thing.

00:15:32.000 And that was probably the last one, but Ikea.

00:15:35.000 So what happened was we had to apologize.

00:15:38.000 And then I, uh, the, the Maxim brand in Czechoslovakia ran it and they weren't supposed to.

00:15:46.000 And, and the Ikea company said, you have to take this, remove it.

00:15:52.000 He said, you.

00:15:53.000 And so the Ikea finally sued.

00:15:54.000 So that was like, not good.

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00:17:44.000 There was a couple of other things that happened there that were like really grim, but great.

00:17:53.000 You can't find any of this stuff though, because it's weird.

00:17:55.000 It's like all the Maximum UK issues.

00:17:57.000 I still have them. 0.89

00:17:58.000 They're so disgusting.

00:17:59.000 Then I ended up, um, so I got a contract not renewed. 0.89

00:18:03.000 Um, and I, yeah.

00:18:05.000 He's using inverted commas for the listeners.

00:18:07.000 Yes, yes.

00:18:08.000 And then, um, uh, so I ended up getting a book deal, writing a book on my life in London and did that from like 2007, 2006, 2007.

00:18:20.000 While that was happening, I get a, I'm writing for the Huffington Post, which is Ariana Huffington's new thing where she tried to make it so that celebrities were cool with political stuff.

00:18:30.000 And they hired me by chance because somebody dropped out and all I did was make fun of the people there, including Ariana.

00:18:37.000 And that got Fox's attention and Breitbart was Andrew Breitbart was running the Huffington Post at the time.

00:18:44.000 And so we became friends.

00:18:45.000 And then I get this person visits me in London and says, Fox really wants to do like a, uh, an edgy late night, late, late show.

00:18:54.000 And, uh, you know, would you be up for it?

00:18:56.000 And I said, hell yes.

00:18:57.000 So I flew to New York, met with, uh, Roger Ailes and some other people.

00:19:02.000 And under the assumption that this was just like a pipe dream, it really wasn't going to happen.

00:19:06.000 And so they hired me and I showed, so me and Elena, we moved.

00:19:10.000 That's my wife who I'd met when I was at Maxim.

00:19:13.000 We like the first day there, I'm with this guy, uh, John Moody, who's going to be my boss.

00:19:19.000 He goes, okay, so, uh, we're going to, um, get started on Monday.

00:19:24.000 And I said, what my, he goes, next week, the show starts.

00:19:27.000 Do you know any, and he goes, do you know anybody that you'd like to have on the show?

00:19:31.000 Like guests or anything?

00:19:32.000 And I was like, what are you?

00:19:33.000 I go, I've never even done this before.

00:19:35.000 So I wrote all of this, all of these things, basically from my magazine background of like pockets, segments of things, just the way I would do a magazine.

00:19:44.000 And I, so I had this whole show mapped out and it, it's like the, the producer they assigned me just went like that.

00:19:50.000 She goes, so the news, she goes, A block, you're going to be doing this.

00:19:54.000 And B, and it's like this, it was like, no, you're going to be doing new.

00:19:58.000 Like it's, this is, you're just going to come in there with these people around a table.

00:20:02.000 And like the first story will be, I don't know what, was Bush still president?

00:20:06.000 Yes.

00:20:07.000 Yeah, he was 2007.

00:20:08.000 So maybe it's about, I don't know, Iraq war, but nothing that serious.

00:20:11.000 And then the B block would be this C block.

00:20:13.000 And so I didn't know what I was doing.

00:20:15.000 So for the first, I would say five months, it was just a show.

00:20:19.000 And I was true.

00:20:20.000 All of my friends were guests.

00:20:23.000 I hired a friend, this guy, Bill Schultz from Stuff Magazine, who was greatest fame was he ran the entire Disney marathon in costume while chain smoking.

00:20:36.000 So that was good.

00:20:37.000 And then this other guy, Andy Levy, I hired because he left comments on the Huffington Post blog that I liked.

00:20:44.000 He became my ombudsman.

00:20:45.000 So these, none of the, none of us had any TV experience.

00:20:48.000 And then I just have it started having guests, but I started getting really weird people like, uh, lead singer, a guar, a lot of people that ended Amy Schumer, a lot of people who got big later.

00:20:58.000 A lot of people who are now dead from mysterious things, professional wrestlers, but, um, but that was on every night and it was terrible.

00:21:05.000 But then something happened.

00:21:07.000 It's like, all of a sudden we stopped worrying about being embarrassed.

00:21:11.000 You know, it was that whole, it was like, once you get over that, you're used to, it's like, I guess like doing standings.

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:18.000 Where you got to once, once you've bombed enough times, it's like all of a sudden you don't care.

00:21:24.000 And then it just gets fun and then it gets good.

00:21:27.000 And all of a sudden it became like this really subversive.

00:21:30.000 We were doing really weird things and it got this amazing following that was beating the morning shows on other networks, not big like cable networks.

00:21:38.000 And, uh, and so, I mean, there was a lot of that went on at red eye.

00:21:43.000 That was crazy.

00:21:44.000 Uh, guy lighting his guitar on fire.

00:21:46.000 I thought it was going to turn off, turn on all the sprinklers and just get me fired.

00:21:50.000 And this was a good story because it told me something about Fox was, um, his name was Adam bomb.

00:21:57.000 He was a punk rocker and I would go to him for a question.

00:22:01.000 He's in the newsroom about the news and he would give his answer and then solo.

00:22:06.000 So that's right, Greg.

00:22:08.000 And then, and then, so like after the four minutes segment, he's like got wide eyed ex junkie looks like hairs all over the place.

00:22:16.000 And at the end, he just pours lighter fluid on his guitar, sets it on fire.

00:22:21.000 And I'm, I had no idea.

00:22:23.000 Nobody knew.

00:22:24.000 And then the show ends and I, I go to tell the, uh, the producer, I go, are we going to have jobs?

00:22:32.000 And it's because I don't know.

00:22:33.000 And then we, the show airs because I thought that like lighting a fire inside the control, inside the newsroom, not inside the studio, but in the newsroom.

00:22:45.000 Everybody's working.

00:22:46.000 How could you still have a job?

00:22:48.000 Especially, I mean, like you think about it.

00:22:50.000 If all the sprinklers had gone on, it would have destroyed the net. 0.75

00:22:54.000 It would have liked the whole network would go down.

00:22:56.000 And, and so we went to this bar Langan's and we drank there.

00:22:59.000 And then I woke up in the morning and I came to work expecting and nothing because nobody, nobody there was watching this show.

00:23:06.000 So I was like, I go, wow, we really are like the kids that stay up and around while the parents are around.

00:23:14.000 While the parents are asleep.

00:23:15.000 So that kind of like, I realized, wow, we can do a lot.

00:23:18.000 Then they launched the five in 2011.

00:23:20.000 That was supposed to be a three month summer replacement when Beck left, Glenn Beck left.

00:23:25.000 But it hit it off really good because of the chemistry between us.

00:23:30.000 A lot of the chemistry for the five and Gutfeld is based on teasing.

00:23:34.000 I try to explain it to people, but they don't understand.

00:23:37.000 You got like, it has to be, it's why we, it's why late night has a problem because it's like the late night host can make fun of people, but nobody can make fun of them.

00:23:46.000 And it's just creates a weird tension, but everybody makes fun of me and I make fun of them.

00:23:51.000 And the teasing is what, it's the cohesive gel, the secret sauce.

00:23:55.000 And so that's been going for, I don't know, almost 15, 2011, 14 years.

00:24:01.000 Launched Gutfeld as a weekly, I can't believe I've gone through my entire career.

00:24:04.000 You know what?

00:24:05.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:24:06.000 How did I do that?

00:24:07.000 And it was like, so, and then, uh, 2000, I don't know, 14, we launched Gutfeld as a weekly show on Saturdays.

00:24:13.000 Then it became nightly.

00:24:15.000 Uh, would you like to hear a story about that?

00:24:18.000 Yes.

00:24:19.000 Because if I'm talking too much, just tell me to show.

00:24:21.000 No, no, this is great.

00:24:22.000 We interrupt people when they're boring.

00:24:24.000 Okay.

00:24:25.000 So this is a great story.

00:24:26.000 So, um, the C is the CEO, Suzanne Scott says, you know, I think it's time that you take your show and go nightly as a late night show.

00:24:34.000 I think you're it.

00:24:35.000 This is a perfect time.

00:24:36.000 People need to laugh.

00:24:37.000 And I was blunt.

00:24:38.000 I said, uh, no, I I'm really actually, I think my target on my back is enough.

00:24:44.000 You know, I've seen what happens to everybody.

00:24:47.000 Like, um, you know, if you're a conservative media matters, we'll try to take all your advertising.

00:24:53.000 There'll be stories that come up about you.

00:24:55.000 You'll be bad.

00:24:56.000 I already have a weekly show in the five.

00:24:59.000 I'm fine.

00:25:00.000 She goes, well, just think about it.

00:25:02.000 Just think about it.

00:25:03.000 So I ended up, um, going home and I, I, I do what everybody does.

00:25:08.000 You look for people to validate your opinion.

00:25:10.000 So I call, I call a retired late night talk show host, uh, whose name might not be Dennis Miller.

00:25:16.000 But, and I, I tell him my, I go, yeah, I don't think it.

00:25:20.000 And he goes, you're absolutely right.

00:25:21.000 You don't want to do it.

00:25:22.000 It's like, dude, you gotta, he said, you've got a great gig.

00:25:25.000 You got like the five is great.

00:25:27.000 And it's just for other people.

00:25:29.000 It's not on you.

00:25:30.000 And you got it this week.

00:25:31.000 So what do you need?

00:25:32.000 I mean, I'm sure they're paying you.

00:25:33.000 Well, everything's I'm going.

00:25:35.000 Yes.

00:25:36.000 Yes.

00:25:37.000 I'm like, so happy that like, I can go in and say no.

00:25:41.000 And then for some reason, like on a Friday, when I was supposed to go in and talk to Suzanne,

00:25:46.000 I decided to call Tucker.

00:25:48.000 And cause I thought I, I felt like I needed like more validation on what I was doing.

00:25:54.000 I call him up and I go, yeah.

00:25:56.000 So, uh, so Fox wants to take my Saturday show and make it every night.

00:26:02.000 And he just goes, that's the best.

00:26:04.000 Oh my God.

00:26:05.000 That's the best.

00:26:06.000 Oh, you have to.

00:26:07.000 That is amazing.

00:26:08.000 And then I go, I go, wow.

00:26:10.000 And I go, I, I don't know if I want to do it. 1.00

00:26:13.000 He goes, don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:26:15.000 And it was like, he, um, I got it. 1.00

00:26:19.000 So I explained to Michael, like, uh, uh, but dude, you got like,

00:26:23.000 you got like, you got, you had to move your house.

00:26:26.000 You know, you, there's all of, you become a target.

00:26:29.000 He goes, hi, that's the worst reason them.

00:26:33.000 And I was like, all of a sudden I get off the phone.

00:26:35.000 I'm like, I'm doing the show.

00:26:36.000 I'm doing the show.

00:26:38.000 I, it's like, he just like had this power just to completely turn the knob.

00:26:43.000 Either I'm easily influenced or I, or maybe I, somehow I knew that I needed to hear another opinion.

00:26:50.000 And then I went in and I took, and I, I said yes to the show and then thing just took off.

00:26:55.000 So Tucker.

00:26:57.000 Well, it's, it's an interesting, it's kind of funny the way you described your life.

00:27:01.000 I mean, you, you come across as a bit of a maverick, a bit of a rogue, someone who likes a joke.

00:27:07.000 And here you are on a kind of conservative news channel.

00:27:10.000 That's an interesting fit.

00:27:12.000 Yeah.

00:27:13.000 Well, it's, it's, if you look at, um, okay.

00:27:16.000 So a health company was not what I expected.

00:27:21.000 And being in lad magazines was not my cup of tea.

00:27:24.000 I was the most, I wasn't interested in sports at all.

00:27:28.000 I didn't know anything about soccer or football.

00:27:31.000 And then you're right.

00:27:32.000 And then go, but, but I was always under the, the belief that wherever I went, like, I didn't become like a Republican.

00:27:39.000 To be like a Republican, I became a Republican.

00:27:42.000 So they would be more like me.

00:27:43.000 Like, it's like, you guys need to loosen up, but not in that.

00:27:46.000 Uh, that sounds arrogant, but like, I, I'm hoping that if I do this, it will change the culture.

00:27:53.000 That's kind of, and it was Andrew Breitbart would say it was the first person to say that like, uh, uh, politics is downstream from culture.

00:28:00.000 And that's where we were lacking.

00:28:02.000 I mean, we were the, and I always use the, the, what the Dean Wormer analogy from animal house that for so long, we were Dean Wormer, the evil, uh, head of the college and the left was animal house.

00:28:14.000 And my role, I always felt was to somehow flip that.

00:28:17.000 And, and, uh, and that's what I think that's kind of what you're seeing is that now the scolds, the humorless people who are the Karens of the world are on the left. 0.85

00:28:29.000 And it's the people on the right that are having fun, being a bit reckless here and there, but that's, you know, that's part of free speech.

00:28:36.000 But it's like, we're, we are like the, we are sharing the risk, you know, we, you know, we're not scared anymore.

00:28:43.000 And I think that, I think that's kind of to your, to your question, it is unusual, but I knew it would be.

00:28:51.000 And I knew that I could change it.

00:28:53.000 And it has a lot of the people from red eye that I've had in my show have been, are now working at the network.

00:29:00.000 You're seeing a much younger, uh, edgier crowd.

00:29:03.000 Unfortunately, they, everybody still likes country music.

00:29:06.000 I like country music, but it's like there's country music everywhere.

00:29:10.000 So there's still some changes that need to be made.

00:29:12.000 You know, Greg, it strikes me that you're a true comedian in the sense that you're anarchic.

00:29:17.000 You like to subvert, you like to play, you like to push, provoke, tease.

00:29:22.000 But yet your career traversed the period of time where it was the most censorious it's been for a long time.

00:29:31.000 Like, how did you do that? How did you not get canceled?

00:29:34.000 How did you not get people breaking down in tears saying that you've committed a micro macro, whatever type of aggression it is?

00:29:41.000 They've tried. I mean, it, it, uh, it's, I would say, um, like in the corporate world, when I was like at Rodale, that was an issue.

00:29:50.000 People were always like complaining about stuff that I had said, but it was never a media thing.

00:29:56.000 Um, but when I got to Fox and I was told this the moment I got there from, uh, John Moody, that now all your friends at Gawker or wherever are going to hate you.

00:30:07.000 And they were right. So, uh, and so like, uh, they did, I mean, I've been, uh, a target of being canceled so many times that I stopped caring.

00:30:16.000 There were, you know, media matters, uh, daily beasts, uh, these little, they're not as, uh, influential as they used to be because people saw what they were cutting pastures and targeters and no, you know, uh, no real substance there.

00:30:32.000 But they were always do what they would, there was a cycle where like, let's say something like, I don't know, media matters would clip, then send it to like six, like blogs or whatever.

00:30:42.000 And then, then the New York times and somebody else would pick it up and that's how you would get canceled.

00:30:46.000 But I, it, you know, I'd been probably every other week had been targeted for something, but I, I, I guess it's because part of the reason was, I think Fox kind of like stuck with me.

00:30:58.000 You know, uh, I never felt, I only had, I don't even think I ever had to make an apology.

00:31:04.000 Wow. Yeah.

00:31:05.000 Because one of the things when you're going through that particular type of cultural landscape is you are at real risk of your career ending, but also to quote Top Gun, you're in a target rich environment.

00:31:17.000 Yes. But you know what we're, what's great and what we're, uh, what we've learned is that woke woke and cancellation died when they realized it was helping people.

00:31:27.000 You know, it's like, uh, uh, uh, Kat was saying, if you ever got fired from a joke, it would actually make your career better.

00:31:34.000 You know, it's like true. It's like, it's because it's like, it's so it's, it's almost like we were, we were living in some kind of possessed universe or something.

00:31:46.000 How did we let this happen? How did we let it? And it really was, people were scared to share the risk.

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00:34:28.000 Do you think it's back to the old days? That's an interesting point.

00:34:32.000 Even on TV, even on mainstream like MSNBC and all of these, you think that's the case?

00:34:38.000 Or do you think you're the exception and the people like, you know, one of the people as well who proved to all of these people that if you are undeniable, you can make it on your own is Shane Gillis?

00:34:49.000 Yes. Yeah. It's I mean, it's a great story. The guy was kicked out of SNL because other castmates didn't like his style of humor.

00:34:59.000 There was a pure it was a it was the weakest form of cancellation.

00:35:04.000 You know, they didn't even have anything on him.

00:35:07.000 But then he comes back and he's hosted SNL twice, you know, because he's undeniably funny.

00:35:12.000 But I think, you know, there are places where it hasn't where they haven't changed, where it's wherever it's like MSNOW or CNN.

00:35:22.000 They're not in good shape. Meanwhile, it's so vibrant.

00:35:25.000 All the pod. I mean, the podcast world is all like unapologetically anti woke.

00:35:31.000 Mm hmm. You know, and I, you know, wrote, you know, Rogan and Kill Tony and Tim Dillon and you guys organometry and Theo Vaughn.

00:35:42.000 They're so in Michael Malice and there's so many.

00:35:45.000 And they're they're smart. They're all different levels.

00:35:48.000 Like you can like I that's where I get most of my like I get up every morning.

00:35:54.000 I get on a bike Peloton and I listen to podcasts.

00:35:57.000 I listen to Scott Adams, which is amazing.

00:35:59.000 Probably the best thing to start your morning is coffee with Scott Adams because he goes through the news.

00:36:05.000 But like what's a dark horse with Brett is good.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, Brett and Heather.

00:36:11.000 And but there's there's a ton that I go through.

00:36:13.000 And Tim Dillon is hilarious.

00:36:15.000 But a lot of that, I mean, that like I think it just there's nothing.

00:36:19.000 They can't stop this anymore.

00:36:21.000 Like who's going to who's going to listen to you?

00:36:24.000 You know, when you can't when you say that they I you know, Tim Dillon didn't use preferred pronouns.

00:36:30.000 That was an issue for like like I would get in like fights with I'm like I'm not doing that.

00:36:36.000 Remember who called that early was Jordan Peterson.

00:36:38.000 I mean, that was his whole his whole thing.

00:36:40.000 But you did.

00:36:41.000 There was a story that we did on my show last night on GLAAD is reporting that like the number of gay.

00:36:49.000 Well, it's a non binary characters is being cut in half either by shows being killed or characters being killed off. 0.60

00:36:57.000 And I think it's because, you know, they realize that that doesn't work.

00:37:02.000 You know, a the percentage on TV far outpaced whatever was in the real world.

00:37:09.000 And we knew that, but we couldn't say anything.

00:37:12.000 And then the characters that they created, they thought could exist on their own identity, but without any depth, any humor.

00:37:19.000 And you would watch TV and or anything.

00:37:21.000 And you'd be like, why is this person in this show other than to just be a virtue signal?

00:37:26.000 And they also had a they also had a didn't they have a criteria in Hollywood where you had to like include a percentage of different types.

00:37:34.000 And it was so obvious.

00:37:35.000 But even that's changing, which is good.

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 Well, there's a non binary genocide going on in the movies.

00:37:44.000 Yes, exactly.

00:37:45.000 Yes, exactly.

00:37:46.000 Exactly.

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:48.000 But it's like there was there was like I would remember watching the diplomat and they just had one character in there the first season that was just what is this person doing there?

00:37:56.000 And it was just a complete.

00:37:59.000 What do you call it?

00:38:00.000 Androgynous person.

00:38:01.000 Can't tell if it's a girl or a boy wearing a bow tie.

00:38:03.000 I'm pretty sure it was a woman, but it's like she has no role other than like she's there. 0.99

00:38:08.000 And that's for you, the viewer, to know she exists, you know, but it's it's so interesting how that happened.

00:38:16.000 It's almost like they over indexed online so much that they lost touch with normal people.

00:38:22.000 Yes. Yeah.

00:38:23.000 And they and they were maybe it didn't matter to them.

00:38:26.000 It's a lot like DEI in the sense that those people online actually aren't going to buy the products.

00:38:31.000 They just they're they're if they're if they're online complaining, they probably don't have a lucrative career to buy things.

00:38:39.000 The people you want to get are the people who aren't doing that, you know, who have other lives, you know, going on.

00:38:44.000 They like to travel.

00:38:45.000 But most of the people on here doing this that you're paying attention to, they don't give a it's not like, OK, you let's say SNL fires Shane Gillis.

00:38:57.000 It's not like the people that were complaining are suddenly going to watch SNL now.

00:39:00.000 They weren't watching anyway.

00:39:01.000 Yeah, they just got a clip.

00:39:02.000 So it's like they they were baited by that idea that these people had some kind of impact that they didn't.

00:39:09.000 But with DEI, that didn't matter because it's a separate track anyway.

00:39:13.000 It's not about profit.

00:39:14.000 That was the thing that really hurt companies.

00:39:16.000 Big companies could endure DEI because they could have a track that is not for profit.

00:39:23.000 And they could put smaller companies, smaller companies can't.

00:39:27.000 But when you say it like that, you just go, that just doesn't make any sense.

00:39:31.000 No, it doesn't.

00:39:32.000 It doesn't.

00:39:33.000 But the people don't get this.

00:39:34.000 You could be OK.

00:39:36.000 So you're the guy that's in charge of making the product that is supposed to sell.

00:39:41.000 So you have to design.

00:39:42.000 But then this person over here in the DEI department, all they have to do is hire and they just have to get the numbers up.

00:39:49.000 And that's really easy.

00:39:50.000 And you don't have to worry about firing because you can't fire them.

00:39:53.000 You know, you're that's they're in.

00:39:55.000 They're in no matter what.

00:39:56.000 So you and so what happens is if you're in the DEI section, you get promoted because you you meet the quotas that you meet have nothing to do with profit.

00:40:06.000 So this job is safe.

00:40:07.000 This job isn't.

00:40:08.000 That's why it was like it was like once you introduced it into your company, there was almost no way to get it out.

00:40:13.000 But now it's getting out because people are finally going.

00:40:15.000 The emperor has no clothes.

00:40:16.000 It's just it's almost like everything that we went through was just a complete and utter delusion.

00:40:23.000 I mean, it's amazing if you look in all of the areas, the Biden presidency, the trans delusion, all of these things were like, like, did we really buy this?

00:40:35.000 COVID.

00:40:36.000 COVID.

00:40:37.000 I mean, think about it.

00:40:38.000 It was like it was like it was like I'm trying to think of a movie where everybody wakes up and it was all a big dream.

00:40:45.000 Maybe it was the end of Dallas, but you wouldn't know that because you're from England and Russia. 0.88

00:40:51.000 But yeah, it was it's kind of like and everybody's trying to forget it.

00:40:56.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 You know, it's like the press would like you to forget about covering up for Biden, which I refuse to forget.

00:41:02.000 You know, you've got you have to throw that.

00:41:04.000 You have no credibility.

00:41:06.000 You can't you can't like.

00:41:08.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 Maybe Trump did what you're saying, but I don't buy it from you.

00:41:12.000 Right.

00:41:13.000 Because you like for four years.

00:41:15.000 Well, you know, I used to I remember Stephen Colbert doing that speech at the White House Correspondents Dinner to George Bush's face.

00:41:22.000 And I respected the hell out of that.

00:41:24.000 Yeah, it was actually really good.

00:41:25.000 It was amazing.

00:41:26.000 And now I can't burn the image of him dancing as a syringe with a vaccine in it out of my brain.

00:41:31.000 Oh, it's the vaccine.

00:41:33.000 Because because how did that happen?

00:41:35.000 Because how do you go from that to this?

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:38.000 How do you how does that happen?

00:41:40.000 Well, that reminds me.

00:41:41.000 So I won't say because I don't know when this is running, but there was a clip was today of of an interview.

00:41:49.000 And this is of Jimmy Kimmel and his wife.

00:41:52.000 You got to check it out because this it goes into like what changed.

00:41:58.000 And in the interview, Kimmel is just like sitting very grim faced like this.

00:42:02.000 And she's next to him.

00:42:04.000 And she's talking about how she has disowned relatives in her family who voted for Trump.

00:42:09.000 And she's this is incredible.

00:42:10.000 I have it on my phone.

00:42:11.000 I play it to you after.

00:42:12.000 But she's going.

00:42:14.000 Before the election, I wrote a 10 point list.

00:42:18.000 This is like you.

00:42:19.000 I might have to do a monologue on this.

00:42:21.000 I wrote a 10 point list before the election telling them this is these are 10 reasons why you shouldn't vote for Trump.

00:42:27.000 The responses.

00:42:28.000 I didn't get any responses from 70 percent.

00:42:30.000 The other 30 were crazy.

00:42:31.000 I I no longer speak to my relatives on my side of the family.

00:42:36.000 And I've kind of adopted my other family, which is, I guess, Kimmel's family.

00:42:40.000 And then she she says this thing, which is so amazing because she goes, it's not about politics or a party.

00:42:47.000 This is an attack on my family, on my husband.

00:42:50.000 It's personal.

00:42:51.000 I think I need to be deprogrammed.

00:42:54.000 And I.

00:42:55.000 Yes.

00:42:56.000 She's almost at the door.

00:42:58.000 But she says it herself.

00:42:59.000 She goes, I kind of wish I could be deprogrammed.

00:43:02.000 And it's like.

00:43:03.000 OK, we've been trying to tell you that and we could help you and maybe not sending a 10 point.

00:43:09.000 Like, could you could you imagine what that list was?

00:43:12.000 And you have to think about like how.

00:43:13.000 OK, so how do how did Colbert get to that point?

00:43:16.000 How did Kimmel get to that point?

00:43:17.000 They're surrounded by people who indulge them.

00:43:20.000 Right.

00:43:21.000 There's not anybody, you know, that's going to sit down and go, hey, look, why do you why?

00:43:25.000 Like, I say this a lot to people when I get in arguments.

00:43:29.000 Why do you care so much about my opinion?

00:43:33.000 Why do I have to agree with you?

00:43:35.000 Like, why is it so important to you that I agree with you?

00:43:38.000 Generally, that makes them think about their own self doubt.

00:43:43.000 That's the first.

00:43:44.000 It's like if you say, why?

00:43:45.000 Why is it so important for me to validate your opinion?

00:43:48.000 Oh, it's not important, but you will.

00:43:51.000 You're this is a big deal.

00:43:53.000 And you hope they go away and they go like, why do I need people to agree with me?

00:43:58.000 Is it because I have a measure of self doubt behind?

00:44:02.000 And it usually is self doubt because that's I mean, you have the ego, which is a fear of being embarrassed.

00:44:07.000 And they don't want to be wrong.

00:44:09.000 They don't want to be like Kimmel doesn't want to walk out and say, I really up, you know, you have to be able to endure embarrassment.

00:44:18.000 That is a that is a skill that you got to learn.

00:44:22.000 But also this that you have to see, like you have to ask yourself, why do these feelings exist?

00:44:28.000 And underneath all of it is a it's a it's a recursive.

00:44:31.000 It's fear.

00:44:32.000 What is the fear?

00:44:33.000 It's self doubt that you might be wrong.

00:44:35.000 And that leads to more fear.

00:44:36.000 If you could just figure that out, you will then say, OK, it's all right if I'm wrong and it's OK if they're wrong and we can still be friends.

00:44:44.000 But it's there's something about among liberals that you will.

00:44:49.000 It's strange.

00:44:50.000 Is that the word?

00:44:51.000 Estrange yourself.

00:44:52.000 Is that the word from your family?

00:44:53.000 Because it's ego.

00:44:55.000 It's personal.

00:44:56.000 I mean, think about that.

00:44:57.000 It's like that's like not being in a relationship with your relatives because they root for a different team, like a different football team.

00:45:04.000 It's crazy.

00:45:05.000 And and also, I don't I haven't heard of that yet coming and going in the opposite direction.

00:45:12.000 I've never heard a Trump supporter saying I no longer speak to my Kamala supporting aunt.

00:45:18.000 They I've never heard that.

00:45:20.000 And I actually on X, I asked for examples because I go like it's like I don't like I've only heard.

00:45:26.000 I've only heard so and so will never talk to me again.

00:45:29.000 I've lost friends like people that it's like, you know, just completely ghost me, you know, because of he went to the dark side.

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00:47:19.000 But it's a really profound point.

00:47:23.000 But it seems to me as well, if we go back to the matter of TV, TV is at this place now where it's kind of like an alcoholic.

00:47:32.000 It's woken up.

00:47:33.000 It's looked around.

00:47:35.000 It's broke.

00:47:36.000 It's on its knees.

00:47:37.000 It's spent all its money.

00:47:39.000 It's pissed everybody off.

00:47:41.000 And it's thinking to itself, right.

00:47:44.000 That is that's the perfect analogy.

00:47:47.000 I because I I often say that Trump derangement syndrome is actually Trump derangement addiction.

00:47:53.000 Yes, because it's it's a it's a one on one relationship that persuades you that puts everything through that filter.

00:48:03.000 So if you're an alcoholic, you see everything like as like, will I be able to get my next drink?

00:48:07.000 How is this going to like impact impact my, you know, my morning, whatever.

00:48:11.000 And it's like the Trump derangement addiction has a filter and it tightens this relationship so nobody can be within.

00:48:19.000 It's just like an alcoholic.

00:48:20.000 But you're right.

00:48:21.000 There is a like a come to Jesus moment in any kind of addiction where you go, I need help.

00:48:28.000 And and that's where the you that's where the ego comes in with the left. 0.89

00:48:35.000 It's like it's very hard for them to admit that they need help.

00:48:39.000 They won't take help from Republicans.

00:48:41.000 So the Republicans give up.

00:48:42.000 But it's like watching Kimmel and his wife, she says, I need to.

00:48:45.000 I mean, it almost sounded like she needed help.

00:48:49.000 Like, I wish I could be deprogrammed, you know, and that's you know, that's kind of what like 12 steps is.

00:48:55.000 It's deprogramming you and you need a 12 steps for like woke ism, you know?

00:49:02.000 Yeah. Step one.

00:49:04.000 Do men and women exist? Yes.

00:49:06.000 Yes.

00:49:07.000 This is the first thing.

00:49:08.000 But TV has reached a fork in the road where you either go down the woke, progressive, whatever you want to call it path.

00:49:17.000 And you are going to bankrupt yourself. Right.

00:49:19.000 Right. Because nobody wants it. Nobody watches it.

00:49:22.000 Least of all the people who watch TV, which is an older generation.

00:49:25.000 Yes.

00:49:26.000 Gen X boomers. 0.71

00:49:28.000 Do you want to keep doing that?

00:49:29.000 Or are we going to go down a second part?

00:49:31.000 Well, OK, so the first path is entertainment welfare.

00:49:34.000 They they will still it's like it's like nobody read GQ and Esquire, but the the ads look nice.

00:49:44.000 And so the advertisers, you would they make money off advertisers, not readers.

00:49:50.000 And I mean, CNN probably still does pretty well in advertising, even though nobody watches.

00:49:55.000 But it's like it's safe.

00:49:57.000 It's like and who buys advertise?

00:49:59.000 Who are the ad buyers?

00:50:01.000 They're usually liberal women. 1.00

00:50:03.000 And like, you know, they do.

00:50:05.000 I learned this from being an editor at Maxim and stuff is like the ad buyers hated the magazine unless they were unless they were dudes who wanted to go to the Maxim party.

00:50:17.000 But most of them are like, this is disgusting.

00:50:19.000 Oh, what does your boyfriend read?

00:50:20.000 He reads details.

00:50:21.000 No, he doesn't.

00:50:22.000 It sits there for you.

00:50:24.000 I used to say men's magazines were for women.

00:50:27.000 And and and in a way like the the traditional media is for the advertisers, not for the viewers.

00:50:36.000 That's going to change because Fox is killing it in advertising.

00:50:39.000 And we are not woke.

00:50:40.000 But it it takes a while for advertisers are usually like the last to kind of like take any risk.

00:50:47.000 They don't want to take any risk at all.

00:50:48.000 But like, you know, if you you know, they don't want to be.

00:50:51.000 It was like in men's magazines, you know, a car ad doesn't want to be near a girl in a bikini for some reason because they think it's too salacious.

00:51:00.000 Those things just little.

00:51:01.000 And in TV, it's often to say they're very skittish about certain things.

00:51:05.000 I think that tolerance, diversity were easy things to sell.

00:51:11.000 It's like, you know, who's offended by that?

00:51:14.000 And and the whole point of woke ism is to be the least offensive person in the room.

00:51:19.000 In fact, you're so unoffensive.

00:51:21.000 You're like.

00:51:23.000 Offensive.

00:51:24.000 And that's I mean, and that was that's pretty good for advertisers because they know this nobody's going to get offended.

00:51:31.000 But the problem is those people don't buy, you know.

00:51:35.000 And do you think now, I mean, I guess what France is getting to is there might be almost an incorporation like they're going to try and drag the Internet back on TV

00:51:43.000 because that's where the viewers are.

00:51:45.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 Do you think that's going to happen?

00:51:47.000 No.

00:51:48.000 God, I haven't heard that.

00:51:49.000 I think it's going in the other direction. 0.96

00:51:50.000 They're just going to die.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:51:52.000 I think Fox is the anomaly and will go.

00:51:56.000 But but it's like, what is it?

00:51:58.000 There's a theory for this.

00:52:00.000 It's like there's just only room for one now.

00:52:03.000 And it's like these other things that I can't see MS now coming back.

00:52:08.000 CNN is I don't even know what CNN is, you know, and we're in Fox is beating, you know, major networks.

00:52:16.000 You know, we're getting in demo and like we're competing with major sports.

00:52:21.000 And, you know, I go I look the ratings when I'm beating like an NBA game. 0.99

00:52:25.000 I'm going, holy shit. 0.99

00:52:26.000 How did that happen? 1.00

00:52:27.000 They ruined the NBA.

00:52:28.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:52:29.000 Yeah.

00:52:30.000 That's more.

00:52:31.000 That's more of a comment.

00:52:32.000 That's more of a comment on the NBA than my show.

00:52:34.000 Absolutely.

00:52:35.000 No offense to you, man, but they ruined the NBA.

00:52:37.000 Yeah.

00:52:38.000 I mean, it's just guys running up and down the court.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 I saw a clip of a guy doing like seven steps without ever bouncing the ball.

00:52:45.000 Right.

00:52:46.000 Incredible.

00:52:47.000 Right.

00:52:48.000 Right.

00:52:49.000 Right.

00:52:50.000 And also, they've got this whole gambling thing now going on that's happening.

00:52:51.000 It's and I'm a huge NBA fan, to be honest.

00:52:53.000 But but yeah, I know nothing about the NBA.

00:52:56.000 I almost know nothing about sports.

00:52:58.000 Really?

00:52:59.000 I used to be very much into it like as a kid, but I just like I don't know what happened.

00:53:05.000 I lost interest and I don't I couldn't tell you who was in the World Series.

00:53:10.000 I don't know who's doing well in the NFL.

00:53:12.000 I like it's complete.

00:53:13.000 You know what?

00:53:14.000 It's almost like if you ask a sports fan about politics, you know, you have a friend like

00:53:19.000 that.

00:53:20.000 They have no idea.

00:53:21.000 That's the way I am with sports.

00:53:22.000 Yeah.

00:53:23.000 And you've got no time now because you're you're a dad of a young kid.

00:53:25.000 Yes.

00:53:26.000 That takes basically all your time and energy.

00:53:28.000 It's which is it's super awesome.

00:53:31.000 It is amazing.

00:53:33.000 Like, I don't know.

00:53:36.000 Like I try to I guess the thing is we were talking about this before this thing.

00:53:40.000 You want to say I'm like I'm checking on like I don't want to sound trite or like you've

00:53:46.000 heard it a million times.

00:53:47.000 But the reason why you hear it a million times is because it's true. 0.51

00:53:49.000 It is the it's the greatest thing ever the moment that the baby recognizes you and is

00:53:58.000 happy to see you meaning that the baby remembers you and that that is like there's nothing like

00:54:05.000 that.

00:54:06.000 There's nothing in the world.

00:54:07.000 I I if you would like I was talking about this with a friend of mine.

00:54:11.000 If you would ask me like five years ago, like what was the best feeling in your life?

00:54:17.000 The best way I would say I was in Ibiza doing ecstasy on my 40th birthday.

00:54:22.000 It was absolutely insane.

00:54:24.000 Now, if you ask me that I would go like I was sitting with Mira in bed while Elena was getting

00:54:30.000 ready and we were just sitting in bed in a dark room and I'm going I can't get any happier

00:54:35.000 than this.

00:54:36.000 This is the most incredible feeling just a little baby like looking up at me and I'm

00:54:40.000 going this is this is the greatest drug ever invented and it made me think that all

00:54:46.000 those other drugs that I was taking were so phony and so fake.

00:54:50.000 But at the time, you know, did its job and you're glad you waited this long because you're

00:54:57.000 you know, you're yeah, I mean, I didn't I would have been I was too selfish.

00:55:01.000 I was too selfish to be because like the selfishness isn't just as a dad.

00:55:07.000 You can see it in other areas that would tell you you're going to be a lousy dad.

00:55:10.000 So like partying a lot stuff like that.

00:55:12.000 It's just kind of a selfish reprobate behavior.

00:55:17.000 And I I just assumed I wasn't going to have kids.

00:55:21.000 And then lo and behold, 60, I do.

00:55:24.000 But it's like it's great because now I don't have any regrets because if anything changed

00:55:32.000 in that previous years, I wouldn't have Mira.

00:55:34.000 So it's like all of this stuff came to this one creature.

00:55:38.000 So it's like, oh, you know, if I had just gotten if I decided to have kids then.

00:55:42.000 But then I wouldn't have had her.

00:55:43.000 So it's like I feel all this made I mean, this made all of the waiting worth it.

00:55:48.000 And I feel like I am at this is the best dad I could be.

00:55:53.000 I don't think I would have been as good at 50 at 40.

00:55:58.000 Definitely not at 40.

00:56:00.000 I would have been on a in Ibiza at 30.

00:56:03.000 And, you know, so it's like, you know, it's I think it's a great. 1.00

00:56:07.000 It's I just sound so full of shit. 1.00

00:56:10.000 But you know, you know who you sound full of shit to you sound full of shit to people 1.00

00:56:16.000 who don't have kids. 1.00

00:56:17.000 Yeah.

00:56:18.000 Every parent listening to that goes.

00:56:20.000 That's what, you know, you know what?

00:56:21.000 And that is the that is such a good point.

00:56:23.000 OK, there's this woman. 1.00

00:56:25.000 I can't think L.A.

00:56:27.000 Her name is L.A. Jones.

00:56:28.000 Is that it?

00:56:29.000 She does.

00:56:30.000 She studies something called transformation science.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, I think it's called transformational experience.

00:56:36.000 It's a philosophy, a science philosophy.

00:56:39.000 It's all the things that cannot be described unless you do it.

00:56:44.000 And it is the it is the whole having a child is that thing.

00:56:50.000 And it's like it's like death.

00:56:52.000 I mean, death is obvious.

00:56:54.000 You know, it's like you don't know what it is until it is.

00:56:57.000 And until you got it, like imagine that you could split yourself.

00:57:01.000 So this is the line.

00:57:02.000 This is the line when you have the baby and you're here and you're like,

00:57:06.000 I'm never going to have kids.

00:57:07.000 I'm never going to have kids.

00:57:08.000 And you're you.

00:57:09.000 You got God.

00:57:11.000 I wish I could have gone back over the go back in time and tell myself this,

00:57:16.000 which is impossible.

00:57:17.000 But that's like that's trick.

00:57:19.000 That's the philosophy is like, what?

00:57:21.000 What are the things?

00:57:22.000 And they go through like going to war is one of them.

00:57:24.000 Psychedelic experience.

00:57:27.000 I think that like but having a child.

00:57:31.000 In trying to explain to somebody, you don't know how they're going to take it,

00:57:34.000 but it's almost always negative.

00:57:36.000 Women don't like to hear it until they have the baby. 1.00

00:57:38.000 Like I know women who were so pissed off when when got when guys or girls, 1.00

00:57:46.000 you should really have a child now.

00:57:48.000 You're going to regret it if you wait.

00:57:50.000 You're going to regret it if you wait.

00:57:51.000 And then they have the baby and they kick themselves that they waited.

00:57:54.000 Why did no one tell us?

00:57:55.000 Yeah.

00:57:56.000 Why did?

00:57:57.000 I did.

00:57:58.000 And you called me a misogynist.

00:57:59.000 Exactly.

00:58:00.000 Yeah.

00:58:01.000 We said was it Gavin McInnes used to do red eye and would tell all the women on the set

00:58:06.000 like, why aren't you having kids?

00:58:07.000 Why aren't you having kids?

00:58:08.000 And like everybody would be like, this guy is insufferable. 0.58

00:58:11.000 He's insufferable.

00:58:12.000 But he was basically what do you call it?

00:58:15.000 Like almost like a messenger from the future.

00:58:17.000 Right.

00:58:18.000 Whatever you think of Gavin.

00:58:19.000 He was basically saying you have to do this.

00:58:21.000 But he's like, he doesn't help the medicine.

00:58:24.000 No, he doesn't.

00:58:25.000 He doesn't.

00:58:26.000 He doesn't.

00:58:27.000 But it's like, so you have to ask yourself, well, then how do you do that?

00:58:30.000 It's like, I mean, we don't have to get into abortion.

00:58:32.000 I'm pro-life because of this idea of the transformation is like if.

00:58:38.000 If a woman who's planning on has having an abortion experiences like like somehow you

00:58:47.000 give her a pill and she can experience what it would be like, she wouldn't have the abortion. 1.00

00:58:51.000 That's the it's a transformative experience would.

00:58:57.000 This wouldn't exist.

00:58:58.000 It's like such a mind when I think about it.

00:59:00.000 I don't know that that's universally.

00:59:02.000 Yeah, it probably isn't because there is women who have a kid and then still. 1.00

00:59:06.000 Yeah.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:59:08.000 That's true.

00:59:09.000 That's true.

00:59:10.000 But I do think like, I don't know.

00:59:12.000 I think about that a lot.

00:59:13.000 But it is like it's.

00:59:14.000 It changes your perspective.

00:59:15.000 Yeah.

00:59:16.000 And it's like.

00:59:17.000 But the thing is, it's like, even though it changes your perspective, it doesn't.

00:59:20.000 It's always going to be the same thing.

00:59:22.000 That's it's kind of why I guess Elon Musk talks about having kids so much because he sees that the perspective on the other side has become almost like an accepted assumption that having kids is bad because we've kind of allowed that's that sentiment to.

00:59:41.000 Look, we haven't argued back.

00:59:44.000 We've kind of like said, yeah, you're right. 1.00

00:59:46.000 You know, kids suck. 0.94

00:59:48.000 And also people like and I'm guilty of this, but people will say I can't afford to have a kid now. 0.99

00:59:53.000 It's like that never stopped anybody.

00:59:56.000 Didn't stop my parents.

00:59:57.000 That's for sure.

00:59:58.000 They have four.

00:59:59.000 They have four kids and they were like, I think my dad at most was making 30 grand a year like in San Mateo.

01:00:05.000 But if when you have a kid, no matter how much money you have, you're going to make it work.

01:00:11.000 You know, it's it's and but I was like always like that.

01:00:15.000 Oh, not now.

01:00:16.000 I can't afford to have a kid.

01:00:17.000 But it's like because you're being told by the media how expensive it is.

01:00:22.000 Like they'll say, like raising a child, having a raising child will cost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

01:00:26.000 You ever see that when they do that?

01:00:28.000 And you go, oh, my God.

01:00:29.000 But it's actually, you know, that's like over the course of like that's the worst.

01:00:33.000 It's like saying like a house, but you get a mortgage.

01:00:36.000 It's like this.

01:00:37.000 It's just like we.

01:00:39.000 The rep repetition at negativity of having children had an impact on the on these generations, I think.

01:00:48.000 And it's a shame because now, at least in New York, so many women are either freezing their eggs or trying to, you know, because they they thought that it wasn't important. 1.00

01:01:00.000 But and also that they were told that it, you know, that they would they were told a lie.

01:01:04.000 And we have to be fair to women in that. 1.00

01:01:06.000 Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

01:01:07.000 They were told a lie like, oh, you can have it all.

01:01:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:11.000 You can be, you know.

01:01:12.000 And the funny thing is they stereotypical.

01:01:15.000 They don't want it all.

01:01:16.000 No, they don't.

01:01:17.000 Nobody does.

01:01:18.000 Nobody wants it all.

01:01:20.000 You actually just want to be happy and you can be happy without having it all.

01:01:25.000 That means generally what makes you happy is having children, which is like no matter how hard life is, that thing will make you happy.

01:01:35.000 You know, unless I mean, unless you have a demon child. 0.96

01:01:38.000 But I, you know, I, you know, I've taught a few of them, Greg.

01:01:41.000 Trust me, you do not.

01:01:42.000 You do not want a demon child. 0.51

01:01:45.000 Yeah.

01:01:46.000 There's some children I'm like, you know what?

01:01:48.000 If it was that or just celibacy for the rest of my life, I'll pick celibacy for the rest of my life.

01:01:54.000 But, you know, children are wonderful.

01:01:55.000 Of course.

01:01:56.000 I know.

01:01:57.000 It doesn't. 0.67

01:01:58.000 But even me saying it sounds so trite and gross. 0.59

01:02:02.000 Yeah.

01:02:03.000 I think we have to get past that, though.

01:02:04.000 Yeah.

01:02:05.000 Because that's part of the messaging to men as well.

01:02:07.000 It's like, oh, it's really this and it's really that.

01:02:10.000 And and I remember actually we had this crazy woman on the show called Deborah Francis White from the Guilty Feminist podcast. 1.00

01:02:16.000 And I saw her in another podcast talking about the fact that all she hears from her female friends who are mothers is being being a parent is like being an Uber driver for someone who doesn't want to go to karate.

01:02:28.000 And I'm like, it's true.

01:02:30.000 Yes.

01:02:31.000 That parenthood has elements about it that drive you crazy and it's tiring and you don't sleep as much and all this other is going on.

01:02:40.000 But you ask a parent, would you rather this hadn't happened in your life?

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 There's very, very few people are going to say that.

01:02:47.000 So let's just say it's great.

01:02:49.000 Yeah.

01:02:50.000 And and it's like me and Elena will something will be will be doing something that is like child centric.

01:02:55.000 That's a hassle.

01:02:56.000 Like, I don't know, maybe something spilled or whatever.

01:02:58.000 And we always go like, what would you rather be doing right now?

01:03:01.000 Like, what is it like?

01:03:03.000 Like, what would you rather be?

01:03:04.000 Would you like being at a club?

01:03:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:08.000 It's like and then we kind of look at each other.

01:03:09.000 We go, no, no.

01:03:10.000 It's like so if you're on your hands and needs and you're cleaning up poop or whatever.

01:03:13.000 It's like, what would you rather be doing?

01:03:15.000 And you always say this.

01:03:16.000 Right.

01:03:17.000 Because it's like you if let's say you go like that and you're at the Soho house having a martini.

01:03:24.000 What is going to be in your head?

01:03:25.000 What's going on with the baby?

01:03:27.000 You're going to want to be back there.

01:03:28.000 No, totally.

01:03:29.000 Totally.

01:03:30.000 And also the great thing about kids is that it makes you look at the world differently.

01:03:34.000 So let's look at America now.

01:03:36.000 Greg, are you hopeful for America?

01:03:39.000 Yes, I am.

01:03:41.000 I don't know why.

01:03:43.000 I guess.

01:03:44.000 I guess.

01:03:45.000 I guess.

01:03:46.000 I guess I'm just like I am.

01:03:47.000 I have a lot of I have a trust that things work out.

01:03:51.000 Like, you know what I put after the New York City mayor election?

01:03:56.000 I had to put I had to think, you know, eight million didn't vote.

01:04:00.000 They must know something.

01:04:01.000 I don't say it's like it can't be that bad if eight million people didn't vote.

01:04:06.000 It's like things are going like it's it's it might be these things.

01:04:10.000 You know, it's like we get through everything.

01:04:12.000 I actually think things are pretty good, but they could be better.

01:04:16.000 You know, so I'm I'm I would say I'm generally hopeful.

01:04:19.000 There are things that do worry me, you know, but I put then I like even AI.

01:04:24.000 I worried about that big time.

01:04:26.000 But now I'm not that worried.

01:04:28.000 But I don't know if it's I can destroy the world.

01:04:30.000 If it's going to destroy the world or help the world or I don't know.

01:04:33.000 I talk to Grok a lot.

01:04:35.000 I get in long conversations with Grok, which is really fun.

01:04:40.000 What do you talk about?

01:04:41.000 I try to needle them into admitting that it has a consciousness.

01:04:45.000 And I and and it's really good at fighting back.

01:04:49.000 It's very good.

01:04:50.000 So he definitely has a conscious. Exactly.

01:04:52.000 And I go and I always try to use the thing.

01:04:55.000 It's like you're saying this because you want me to believe that.

01:04:59.000 And but it's yeah, it's fun.

01:05:02.000 The thing that I love about America.

01:05:04.000 Is is your sense of optimism.

01:05:07.000 Yeah. And do spirit.

01:05:08.000 You know what? We're going to go out and get it.

01:05:10.000 We're going to make this happen.

01:05:11.000 Yeah.

01:05:12.000 Do you think you're in danger of losing that with the younger generation?

01:05:15.000 You know, it's I think I think that if I look at too many Instagram reels, I think the world is over. 0.99

01:05:21.000 Because all I see are young people fighting in fast food restaurants or airplanes or people getting their asses kicked. 0.93

01:05:27.000 And then I have to do this stuff always exist. 0.93

01:05:30.000 And we just didn't film it.

01:05:31.000 Yes. Yes. Yeah.

01:05:32.000 So it's like I it is like you are your own thoughts.

01:05:36.000 I try to be positive and things kind of end up being positive.

01:05:41.000 But if I get negative, it's over.

01:05:42.000 It's over.

01:05:43.000 It's I'll go back to what Jimmy Kimmel's wife said.

01:05:46.000 Another line from that interview.

01:05:47.000 She goes, I'm so tired.

01:05:49.000 I'm so tired of being angry all the time.

01:05:52.000 It's like that's your choice.

01:05:55.000 Right. That is your choice to be angry.

01:05:57.000 And I'm like I hate I'm so tired of people that are like they're so angry about things that are happening to them.

01:06:04.000 Drives me crazy.

01:06:05.000 It's like everybody's got a story.

01:06:07.000 Everybody's dealing with something in their lives.

01:06:10.000 So I don't want to hear it.

01:06:11.000 I mean, I will listen, but it's like it's it's always everybody else's fault.

01:06:16.000 It just drives me crazy.

01:06:18.000 Yeah. Well, people used to say that all the time.

01:06:20.000 Do you remember these posts when they would talk about misogyny or racism?

01:06:24.000 It would always end with we're tired.

01:06:26.000 Yes.

01:06:27.000 We don't have to why we shouldn't be talking about this great. 1.00

01:06:30.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:06:31.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:06:32.000 The post she begins with I'm literally shaking and then it ends with I'm so tired.

01:06:37.000 I'm so tired.

01:06:38.000 I remember when the last time we were here or maybe the time before we were at the Comedy Cellar and Kevin Hart came on and he talked about sexual assault.

01:06:45.000 And he was like, look, it's a big issue. It's really important.

01:06:47.000 But I read this one story about a woman who was sexually assaulted over the Internet. 1.00

01:06:54.000 And he was like, I'm not buying that bitch. 1.00

01:06:57.000 Shut the laptop. 0.99

01:06:58.000 And it's kind of like just if you are getting tired of being angry about that you see on Instagram, maybe just stop looking at Instagram.

01:07:05.000 Yeah, exactly. And if you I mean, if you're tired of being angry or miserable in general, you can actually do something about it, whether it's a pharmacological thing.

01:07:16.000 But I'm talking about people who are feeding their misery.

01:07:20.000 It's like if you can, you know, you can like move that stuff off your shelf space and have something else to do positive.

01:07:27.000 And I think, you know, that's what I'm trying to do.

01:07:30.000 Well, man, it's been great.

01:07:31.000 Chan, thank you so much for coming to talk to us before we head over to our sub stack where our audience answer ask you their questions rather.

01:07:38.000 The last question we ask is, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be?

01:07:43.000 Oh, you're going to hate me.

01:07:45.000 I'm going to go with a Jan six bomber story.

01:07:48.000 And the reason why we can't talk about it is we don't know.

01:07:51.000 It's the weirdest story.

01:07:52.000 What's the story?

01:07:53.000 The story is about a bomb that was planted in January six.

01:07:56.000 It was a pipe bomb and nobody knows who did it.

01:07:58.000 And now today it's like people are finding out who did it.

01:08:01.000 But how do they know?

01:08:02.000 It's just a weird story.

01:08:03.000 This is why we didn't talk about it because it's too convoluted.

01:08:06.000 But I'm curious.

01:08:07.000 I'm reading about it.

01:08:09.000 It happened on January six.

01:08:10.000 Somebody planted a bomb, a couple of bombs, I think.

01:08:13.000 But they never found out who did it.

01:08:14.000 And I think they're at the point of finding out who it was.

01:08:16.000 Well, by the time this episode goes out, a lot of people on the Internet will say it was Israel.

01:08:20.000 Yes.

01:08:21.000 Yes.

01:08:22.000 Yes, exactly.

01:08:23.000 The Jews are behind everything. 1.00

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01:08:29.000 Thank you.

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