TRIGGERnometry - Tony Abbott： We Stopped Illegal Immigration!

00:00:00.720 We here in the West have got a very serious challenge.

00:00:05.200 A challenge that we've only woken up to very recently.

00:00:09.920 You're the former Prime Minister of a Western country in Asia.

00:00:14.560 And the one thing I think people in the West are really not appreciating is the seriousness of the moment that we're in.

00:00:20.880 China has engaged in the biggest peacetime rearmament in history over the last decade.

00:00:28.240 People who come here illegally by boat, the gummed up system.

00:00:33.520 I can't believe the contortions that stop the creation of an effective policy here.

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00:02:03.840 Tony Abbott, it's a great pleasure to have you on the show.

00:02:06.240 We want to talk to you about China, immigration and a bunch of other things.

00:02:10.160 But the thing that we really felt is so important to raise with you, you're the former prime minister of a Western country in Asia.

00:02:17.760 And the one thing I think people in the West are really not appreciating is the seriousness of the moment that we're in when the president of Russia, the leader of China, the leader of Iran are all talking about the multipolar world.

00:02:32.800 People don't seem to appreciate what's going on.

00:02:35.080 And I know that you have some unique thoughts on that that I really want you to share with people.

00:02:38.800 Well, Constantine, I think you're right.

00:02:42.480 We've had 70 years of unparalleled and unprecedented peace and prosperity.

00:02:49.200 If you take the world in 2020, just before the pandemic, never before had people all around the globe been more free, more rich, more safe.

00:03:01.740 And since then, we had a pandemic where, frankly, policy to deal with it did far more damage than the disease itself.

00:03:11.920 In the process, we saddled ourselves with mountainous debt.

00:03:16.520 In the process, we sapped our work ethic and damaged our spirits.

00:03:21.620 And then, of course, we had the Ukraine war, which was a horrific reminder that war between nation states was not a thing of the past.

00:03:35.980 That aggression by large countries against small ones was not a thing of the past.

00:03:40.680 While the initial Western response to the horrific Russian invasion was pretty good, the truth is that we've given the Ukrainians enough military support to avoid being defeated.

00:03:54.460 But we haven't given them enough to allow them to drive every last Russian soldier from every last inch of Ukrainian territory, which, frankly, is the only fair outcome here. 0.94

00:04:08.820 And now we've got this horrific business in the Middle East where Hamas have unleashed on the innocent people of Israel an attack of the most appalling savagery.

00:04:21.780 And right around the world, including in cities like London and my own hometown of Sydney, you've got large swathes of the population who seem to be on the side of the terrorists rather than the people who are trying to stamp out terrorism.

00:04:37.900 We had the most appalling scenes in Sydney, just a night or two after the initial massacre, where hundreds and hundreds of demonstrators were crying out literally, 0.86

00:04:49.740 gas the Jews, gas the Jews, eff the Jews, eff the Jews. 0.99

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00:04:54.760 Where's the Jews? 0.96

00:04:55.900 Where's the Jews? 0.96

00:04:57.100 Where's the Jews? 0.96

00:04:58.160 War! 0.81

00:04:59.660 War! 1.00

00:05:01.140 Stop the Jews! 1.00

00:05:02.400 Stop the Jews! 1.00

00:05:03.580 Stop the Jews! 1.00

00:05:04.780 Now, in Australia, as in Britain, we have a vast anti-racism apparatus. 0.87

00:05:11.900 And this vast anti-racism apparatus has not as yet raised a finger against those people who are preaching the most unspeakable race hate on our streets.

00:05:24.460 So we here in the West have got a very serious challenge, a challenge that we've only woken up to very recently from dictators on the march.

00:05:42.000 We've probably got an even bigger challenge, and that is to believe in ourselves, believe in our values, because so many people who should know better do not seem to appreciate that for all the faults of countries like Australia, countries like Britain, countries like the United States, these are the best societies that mankind has ever had.

00:06:06.120 And until recently, these were the best times that mankind has ever had.

00:06:12.060 And our challenge is to try to ensure that we have not already lived through the best of times.

00:06:18.160 And so much to pick up on there, and I wanted to talk about geopolitics and all that other stuff, but there was something you touched on, and I know to many people it seems like old news, but I will say this.

00:06:28.100 To hear a former prime minister of a major Western country talk about our response to COVID in the way that you just did, it is so comforting, actually.

00:06:38.260 I mean, what was happening, including in your country, was horrific.

00:06:42.220 Extraordinary.

00:06:43.220 Extraordinary.

00:06:43.480 Extraordinary.

00:06:44.480 And it was particularly dispiriting that so much of this happened under governments of the centre-right, because at the heart of the centre-right political philosophy is greater freedom and smaller government.

00:06:58.960 And yet here we had the Boris Johnson government in Britain imposing absolutely unprecedented restrictions on freedom, creating absolutely massively intrusive systems of surveillance.

00:07:17.280 It was more the states that did it in Australia than the feds itself, but the feds certainly acquiesced in all of this.

00:07:24.600 And one of the reasons why people on the political centre-right, I think, have been so discombobulated and somewhat dispirited lately is because the people who are supposed to be our leaders have acted so against those things that are supposed to be our instincts.

00:07:43.100 And the other extraordinary thing is that no one seems interested in having a serious, hard-headed look at exactly how we overreacted so badly, exactly how the pandemic plans that had been carefully prepared over decades were junked in panic in the first week of March when the Italian hospital system appeared to be collapsing.

00:08:09.520 And instead of the sensible, modulated, proportionate plans that had long been prepared, basically everyone, except for Sweden and except for some states in the United States, everyone adopted a variant of the Wuhan plan, which was to lock everyone up, close everything down, hope that you could somehow uninvent this virus.

00:08:36.180 And it was always, and it was always simply wrong.

00:08:39.080 And at no point were the obvious things that we do in almost every other instance applied, that's to say, cost-benefit analysis, which asks, well, what is the danger we are attempting to deal with?

00:08:54.560 What are the costs of trying to deal with it?

00:08:56.860 And how do we balance this out?

00:08:58.420 At no point was any of that done.

00:09:01.480 Instead, in an extraordinary moral and physical panic, governments did things which the consequence, the doleful consequences of which we will be living with for years to come.

00:09:16.440 And you made quite a profound point there, Tony, where you were talking about we're not sensible or rational in our response to COVID.

00:09:25.220 I don't think we're sensible or rational in our response to anything at the moment, if I'm being brutally honest.

00:09:31.460 You can take any particular topic or issue and you look at the way it's been covered and the way people talk about it.

00:09:38.420 A lot of the times it's fundamentally irrational, isn't it?

00:09:42.380 Look, there are any number of other issues that we can talk about.

00:09:46.300 We could talk about the climate cult.

00:09:48.460 We could talk about the gender fluidity push.

00:09:51.760 We could talk about the magic pudding economics.

00:09:54.020 We could talk most profoundly about the cultural self-loathing which appears to afflict the best countries on earth.

00:10:03.440 Crazy things are happening everywhere.

00:10:06.640 In fact, one of the books that I would like to write and have tentatively begun, I've given the working title to Peak Insanity.

00:10:18.220 Because I think that is something that we are on the verge of in these...

00:10:25.040 It's quite an optimistic title because you're assuming we're not going to keep going.

00:10:28.960 Well, eventually, as Margaret Thatcher once observed, the facts are conservative.

00:10:34.660 Eventually, the emissions obsession will run up against the need for us to have affordable, reliable power.

00:10:42.740 Eventually, the cultural self-loathing will run up against a military challenge from a dictatorship.

00:10:50.700 And when those things happen, sanity will return.

00:10:54.720 The sad thing is that things might have to get somewhat worse before they start to get very much better.

00:11:00.900 So you're saying that we've still got a little bit of road in the whole insanity to go?

00:11:06.500 One of the encouraging straws in the wind was the recent decision by the Sunak government

00:11:14.540 to wind back some of Britain's crazy policies on electric cars and banning gas boilers

00:11:25.200 because, plainly, they were going to impose massive costs and disruptions

00:11:31.200 on decent, ordinary, aspirational people for no environmental gain.

00:11:37.480 I mean, even if you accept the anthropogenic global warming thesis

00:11:43.180 that somehow mankind's carbon dioxide emissions are a grave threat to the planet,

00:11:49.140 even if you accept that thesis, and I think it's highly contentious,

00:11:52.780 but even if you accept that thesis, the idea that Britain could somehow save the world on its own

00:11:59.220 and by inflicting massive cost punishments on its people was just, well,

00:12:06.440 it was kind of political sadomasochism on a grand scale.

00:12:12.140 It was economic and social self-harm on a grand scale.

00:12:17.040 Now, there's still lots of other folly out there.

00:12:22.140 I mean, genuinely achieving net zero within the next 30 years,

00:12:29.300 within the next 25 years almost, is going to devastate our economies

00:12:34.220 just at a time when our strategic challenges, particularly China,

00:12:40.600 are doing no such thing.

00:12:42.560 So they're spending tens and tens of billions of dollars,

00:12:46.640 trillions of dollars on armaments, and we're spending billions

00:12:52.680 and ultimately trillions of dollars to convert a perfectly reasonable coal,

00:12:59.880 gas, oil and nuclear-based power system to something based on windmills,

00:13:05.640 solar panels and batteries.

00:13:06.800 Well, I mean, it's completely irrational, but it's driven by apocalyptic fears

00:13:16.240 of climate extinction based on pseudoscience and a complete ignorance of history.

00:13:26.440 Tony, we're sitting here in Westminster, right, in the heart of the capital,

00:13:31.240 and the British political system, actually.

00:13:34.920 If you were to go out there and say what you just said about, you know,

00:13:39.620 the climate cult, you're very sceptical of the anthropogenic climate change thesis,

00:13:44.760 all of that, most people haven't heard that.

00:13:48.940 And to hear a former prime minister of Australia say that I think would be quite shocking to them.

00:13:55.240 Why do you say those things?

00:13:57.000 It's one of the reasons why I got turfed out,

00:13:58.920 because too many people inside my own party thought that I was too hardline on some of these issues.

00:14:09.660 They thought that that was a sort of a robust conservatism that they doubted its electoral salability,

00:14:22.200 if you like.

00:14:22.980 And yet the interesting thing about Australia is that every election we've had where climate change has been an issue

00:14:30.000 and where the conservative side of politics has said,

00:14:35.760 look, we are not going to sacrifice people's economic well-being to reduce emissions.

00:14:41.160 In 2010, climate change was an issue and we took a first-term government

00:14:51.140 when I was the leader of the opposition to minority status.

00:14:54.620 In 2013, when the Labor government's carbon tax was one of the key issues, we had a thumping win.

00:15:00.480 In 2016, in Australia, Malcolm Turnbull, who was then prime minister, didn't campaign on climate

00:15:07.940 because essentially he and the Labor Party agreed we almost lost.

00:15:13.680 In 2019, Scott Morrison as prime minister did campaign on climate,

00:15:19.360 saying that Labor's then 45% emissions reduction target would be very economically damaging,

00:15:26.920 cost us something like a half a trillion dollars.

00:15:29.100 And then in 2022, after the Morrison government committed to net zero

00:15:34.500 as part of the whole Glasgow gab fest, we didn't campaign on climate

00:15:42.580 and we lost and lost badly, in part because the people who were looking to us

00:15:48.620 to defend their economic interests against these kind of first world obsessions, if you like,

00:15:55.500 thought that we'd badly let them down and lost our spine.

00:15:58.280 But Tony, I'm not a political expert, but it's not shocking to me that people don't want to

00:16:03.680 be made poor for these ideas.

00:16:06.180 But I was curious to hear why you're sceptical.

00:16:09.040 Constantin, they need leadership.

00:16:11.660 And one of the difficulties at the moment is that, I mean, people say that the whole,

00:16:21.720 if you like, political spectrum has shifted to the left in recent years.

00:16:27.200 I'm not so sure about that.

00:16:29.180 And if it has, it's because the so-called right has not had very much courage and conviction.

00:16:39.000 I mean, look at the conservative governments here in Britain over the last decade or so.

00:16:43.460 David Cameron, an outstanding individual, a person I admire and like.

00:16:53.060 I think his difficulty was, in part, that he was in coalition with the Lib Dems.

00:16:59.960 But on climate, it was a government that very much had drunk the Kool-Aid, so to speak.

00:17:08.960 It was Theresa May who pushed through Parliament this declaration that we were facing a climate

00:17:18.940 emergency.

00:17:20.620 Boris Johnson, a wonderfully capable man.

00:17:26.800 a brilliant wizard of a politician at his best, who should forever be remembered as the man who got Brexit done,

00:17:40.860 nevertheless turned out to be an absolute climate zealot as Prime Minister,

00:17:46.060 perhaps the worst of climate zealotry as Prime Minister,

00:17:49.380 even though in the days when he was writing about these things,

00:17:53.140 he was always a considerable sceptic.

00:17:57.540 Now, thank God, Rishi Sunak seems to be bringing some kind of moderation

00:18:03.220 and proportionality to all of this.

00:18:06.320 And yet, plainly, there is a group of people inside the Conservative Party

00:18:12.540 who are proving difficult on this,

00:18:17.640 perhaps maybe because they really have succumbed to this view that we're all doomed

00:18:26.120 unless we radically and swiftly reduce emissions.

00:18:31.300 Maybe they think that the public have succumbed to the view

00:18:34.000 and their job is not to lead but to follow.

00:18:36.860 Or maybe they just want to be difficult for whoever the Prime Minister at the time is.

00:18:40.680 But nevertheless, while I think Rishi Sunak gave himself an enormous boost

00:18:48.480 and started to create at least a glimmer of hope of victory at the next election

00:18:54.420 with that recent move, there's a lot more that really should be done.

00:18:58.760 Well, and this is why I keep questioning you,

00:19:00.180 because we still haven't got to the answer,

00:19:02.540 which is if we are to persuade people, we have to give them a persuasive argument.

00:19:06.400 Because people who are told that, you know, the Earth is about to burn

00:19:10.780 will be persuaded to support policies that ameliorate that.

00:19:15.400 So what is the argument that, you know, you're making?

00:19:19.740 Because some people might say,

00:19:21.260 well, you've just listed a bunch of Conservative Prime Ministers here

00:19:23.660 who disagree very strongly with your view.

00:19:26.040 So why are you sceptical about the climate narrative?

00:19:29.280 OK, well, I accept the physics that all other things being equal,

00:19:39.300 an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide should warm the planet.

00:19:45.340 I accept that.

00:19:47.020 But climate is an incredibly complex mechanism,

00:19:51.100 an incredibly complex mechanism.

00:19:53.000 And the biggest impact on climate is the sun.

00:20:02.160 If we have more sunspot activity, the world warms.

00:20:06.060 If we have less sunspot activity, the world cools.

00:20:10.480 The next biggest impact on climate is oscillations in the Earth's orbit.

00:20:16.000 If we get a little bit closer to the sun, it gets hotter.

00:20:18.980 If we get a little bit further away from the sun, it gets cooler.

00:20:23.820 Now, we know the climate has changed dramatically over time.

00:20:30.160 Back in the days of the dinosaurs, the world was much, much warmer than it is today.

00:20:38.180 Back in the days of the Ice Ages, the world was much cooler than it is today.

00:20:44.440 Mankind's carbon dioxide had nothing to do with any of those periods of intense climate change.

00:20:52.340 So there are many, many, many other factors.

00:20:55.240 I mean, you cannot deny that there are many, many other factors in climate

00:21:00.060 apart from simply carbon dioxide.

00:21:03.480 And even on carbon dioxide,

00:21:05.560 man's contribution to the annual production of carbon dioxide

00:21:10.920 is relatively small.

00:21:15.040 The Roman warm period, somewhat hotter than today.

00:21:19.140 The medieval warm period, somewhat hotter than today.

00:21:24.720 The mini ice age in the 1600s, when the Thames would freeze over,

00:21:29.580 somewhat colder than today.

00:21:33.000 So, but again,

00:21:34.860 human carbon dioxide emissions had nothing to do with that.

00:21:39.080 So there's absolutely no doubt that climate does change.

00:21:44.000 Yes, increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide,

00:21:48.860 all things being equal, will tend to warm the planet.

00:21:53.100 But this idea that going from roughly 300 parts per million of carbon dioxide 100 years ago

00:21:59.000 to 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide today,

00:22:02.500 and depending upon what happens,

00:22:04.820 perhaps 500 parts of carbon dioxide in 50 or 100 years' time.

00:22:11.420 It's very hard to believe that this is quite the catalyst for catastrophic change

00:22:20.540 that the alarmists make out.

00:22:22.420 And even if it is going to bring about serious change,

00:22:27.340 such as two or three degrees of extra warming,

00:22:30.740 such as two to five metres of sea level rise,

00:22:36.400 these are things that we can adapt to over time.

00:22:39.480 And the important thing is to be as rich and as strong as we can be

00:22:45.440 when facing these challenges,

00:22:47.180 not to impoverish ourselves to meet an enemy

00:22:52.580 which may not be nearly as serious as we think.

00:22:59.400 Now, I know they talk about the, you know, the precautionary principle,

00:23:06.680 and that's true.

00:23:09.400 We should take reasonable precautions against plausible threats.

00:23:15.800 That's why we have a military force and a nuclear deterrent, things like that.

00:23:19.980 But honestly, would a couple of degrees of warming

00:23:25.060 be the catastrophe that the alarmists make it out to be?

00:23:30.440 I mean, ask yourself that question.

00:23:32.420 If you could wear a T-shirt more often in London,

00:23:35.340 would that be a disaster?

00:23:37.800 If it was possible to swim a bit longer in Cornwall,

00:23:42.800 would that be a disaster?

00:23:44.780 Now, sure, it might be a problem for ski fields,

00:23:48.540 but is this really the absolute catastrophe

00:23:53.320 against which so much of our economy and society

00:23:58.220 has to be transformed that the alarmists make it out to be?

00:24:02.700 I don't believe it is.

00:24:06.740 Now, when I was Prime Minister,

00:24:08.600 I took the view that climate does change,

00:24:13.040 mankind does make a difference,

00:24:15.820 we should take reasonable steps

00:24:17.860 to reduce our emissions as far and as fast as possible,

00:24:23.760 but, and this was the critical proviso,

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00:24:31.060 of industries,

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00:26:43.240 And now, back to the interview.

00:26:45.940 And that is such an important point

00:26:48.400 because the thing that I get frustrated with, Tony,

00:26:50.820 is when we're talking about this

00:26:52.520 and people going, you know,

00:26:54.000 we need to do X, Y, and Z,

00:26:55.380 and you go,

00:26:56.000 we're in a cost-of-living crisis here, mate.

00:26:57.980 People can barely afford to buy food.

00:27:00.480 What?

00:27:00.680 You're now going to jack up their energy prices

00:27:02.660 by three times or whatever it is.

00:27:05.600 It's not sustainable.

00:27:06.800 And this is where ordinary people

00:27:08.820 are starting to think

00:27:11.920 that the risk,

00:27:14.860 even in great and stable democracies

00:27:18.300 like our own,

00:27:19.160 the risk is

00:27:22.240 that ordinary people

00:27:24.060 will lose faith in the system

00:27:25.680 because they will see

00:27:27.280 the people who

00:27:28.960 they elect

00:27:30.760 to do the right thing

00:27:32.620 and the political parties

00:27:34.520 who they thought they could trust

00:27:36.200 to be sensible and reasonable

00:27:37.800 pursuing these things

00:27:40.180 that just

00:27:41.760 look to be contrary

00:27:43.660 to common sense.

00:27:46.040 And when that happens,

00:27:46.920 and we've already seen this

00:27:47.900 in continental Europe,

00:27:49.160 when that happens,

00:27:50.480 you get

00:27:50.880 fringe parties arise

00:27:53.240 which often

00:27:55.660 you can understand

00:27:58.140 people

00:27:59.380 looking for alternatives

00:28:01.020 but unfortunately

00:28:02.600 the alternatives

00:28:03.980 sometimes

00:28:06.240 get a bit kooky

00:28:07.840 and

00:28:08.180 that's to be avoided

00:28:09.640 as well.

00:28:11.680 So look,

00:28:13.100 these are

00:28:13.940 difficult times

00:28:15.320 and

00:28:15.900 the countries

00:28:17.260 which have been

00:28:19.040 beacons of hope

00:28:21.120 to the world

00:28:21.800 for so many centuries now

00:28:23.720 need to look

00:28:25.280 to themselves

00:28:26.020 lest we

00:28:27.540 let

00:28:27.980 each other down

00:28:30.180 and

00:28:31.140 lest we

00:28:32.140 fail to give

00:28:33.520 the guidance

00:28:34.060 to the rest of the globe

00:28:35.060 that we have for so long.

00:28:36.720 I would actually argue,

00:28:38.260 Tony,

00:28:38.460 that in some ways

00:28:39.400 it's better that you get

00:28:40.480 these kooky parties

00:28:41.860 spring up

00:28:42.700 because at least

00:28:43.360 that shows a faith

00:28:44.220 in democracy

00:28:44.940 rather than

00:28:46.380 what happened

00:28:47.100 is actually happening

00:28:48.080 in our country

00:28:49.160 where people go

00:28:49.880 the system's broken

00:28:50.700 it's not working

00:28:51.500 I'm stepping back

00:28:53.020 from the system.

00:28:53.880 No, but

00:28:54.160 you know,

00:28:55.380 when I got

00:28:55.920 turfed as prime minister

00:28:57.340 I had literally

00:28:58.980 thousands of letters

00:29:00.980 and emails

00:29:01.560 many of which said

00:29:03.380 start a new

00:29:04.420 political party

00:29:05.340 and I always

00:29:07.040 responded

00:29:07.920 I said

00:29:08.480 look

00:29:08.700 I can understand

00:29:09.620 your feeling

00:29:10.680 but frankly

00:29:12.060 it's better to repair

00:29:13.480 an existing party

00:29:14.860 than it is to try

00:29:15.900 to start

00:29:16.520 a new one

00:29:17.280 and this is where

00:29:18.780 I say to people

00:29:19.700 if you don't like

00:29:21.280 the way things are going

00:29:22.680 don't despair

00:29:24.500 don't opt out

00:29:26.520 don't rush off

00:29:28.500 to start

00:29:29.540 you know

00:29:30.800 the true conservative party

00:29:32.340 or

00:29:32.660 you know

00:29:33.480 the

00:29:33.760 make Britain great again

00:29:35.420 party

00:29:35.860 or something like that

00:29:36.940 join

00:29:38.260 the existing

00:29:39.740 political party

00:29:40.780 which best suits

00:29:42.380 your

00:29:43.200 instincts

00:29:44.300 and make it

00:29:46.040 better than it is

00:29:47.100 because you know

00:29:47.940 a hundred people

00:29:48.800 inside a political party

00:29:50.960 can

00:29:51.940 do far more

00:29:53.640 than a thousand people

00:29:55.640 outside a political party

00:29:57.200 you always

00:29:58.480 affect change

00:29:59.680 better

00:30:00.240 from the inside

00:30:01.600 than the outside

00:30:03.120 and

00:30:04.160 whatever faults

00:30:05.580 our major

00:30:07.000 political parties

00:30:07.840 have in countries

00:30:08.540 like Britain

00:30:09.340 Australia

00:30:09.880 and America

00:30:10.580 they are still

00:30:11.980 open

00:30:12.420 to the influence

00:30:14.020 of their members

00:30:14.800 maybe they're

00:30:16.180 manipulated from

00:30:16.980 the top

00:30:17.380 by factions

00:30:18.160 maybe there are

00:30:20.220 various stitch-ups

00:30:21.160 done from time

00:30:22.000 to time

00:30:22.520 to deny the

00:30:23.760 membership

00:30:24.220 a fair say

00:30:25.700 but you have

00:30:26.800 still got

00:30:27.520 far more influence

00:30:28.740 as a member

00:30:29.560 of a political party

00:30:30.740 than as someone

00:30:31.880 just

00:30:32.940 demonstrating

00:30:33.880 on the street

00:30:34.560 okay so I'll put

00:30:35.720 a counter-argument

00:30:36.560 to you

00:30:36.980 what about

00:30:37.400 we're sitting

00:30:37.920 in Westminster

00:30:38.600 there is nobody

00:30:39.780 who has changed

00:30:40.500 Westminster more

00:30:41.440 in the last

00:30:42.080 10 to 15 years

00:30:43.540 than Nigel Farage

00:30:44.500 and I accept that

00:30:45.520 I accept that

00:30:46.360 Nigel Farage

00:30:47.160 has been

00:30:47.760 quite a seismic force

00:30:51.500 but for Nigel Farage

00:30:53.780 Brexit would never

00:30:54.680 have happened

00:30:55.200 but

00:30:56.260 and this is where

00:30:58.100 Britain has been lucky

00:31:00.160 the Conservatives

00:31:00.900 have been lucky

00:31:01.780 and Nigel has shown

00:31:02.920 considerable character

00:31:04.620 back in 2019

00:31:07.020 had he run

00:31:09.480 Brexit party

00:31:10.760 candidates

00:31:11.480 in every seat

00:31:12.640 he probably would

00:31:13.960 have stopped

00:31:14.440 the Johnson government

00:31:15.540 from winning a majority

00:31:16.780 but instead

00:31:18.020 quite cleverly

00:31:19.200 having

00:31:20.100 got at last

00:31:21.960 a Conservative leader

00:31:23.180 who was

00:31:23.960 fair dinkum

00:31:24.720 about getting

00:31:25.480 Brexit done

00:31:26.240 he then

00:31:27.300 ran

00:31:27.880 candidates

00:31:29.440 tactically

00:31:30.480 if you like

00:31:31.060 to ensure

00:31:32.980 that he did

00:31:33.720 not get in

00:31:34.400 the way

00:31:34.880 of a Conservative

00:31:36.100 victory

00:31:36.760 now

00:31:37.060 you say

00:31:39.300 shouldn't

00:31:41.200 democracy

00:31:41.700 give us

00:31:42.260 a new

00:31:42.740 political party

00:31:43.540 well

00:31:44.260 the trouble

00:31:45.520 is democracy

00:31:46.240 will often

00:31:46.780 give us

00:31:47.360 complete chaos

00:31:49.480 depending upon

00:31:50.520 how the system

00:31:51.260 works

00:31:51.720 before

00:31:52.780 it gives us

00:31:54.320 a new

00:31:55.360 equilibrium

00:31:56.140 and while

00:31:57.580 I don't

00:31:58.240 say that

00:31:58.780 there can

00:31:59.120 never be

00:31:59.560 a case

00:32:00.080 for a new

00:32:00.880 political party

00:32:01.660 in this

00:32:02.560 country

00:32:03.000 the Conservative

00:32:03.840 Party

00:32:04.400 has something

00:32:06.120 like 300

00:32:06.860 years

00:32:07.440 of history

00:32:08.420 it's

00:32:10.640 invented

00:32:12.100 and reinvented

00:32:13.260 itself

00:32:13.760 many times

00:32:15.540 over that

00:32:16.040 period

00:32:16.440 but

00:32:17.600 always

00:32:18.700 at the heart

00:32:19.780 of the

00:32:20.040 Conservative

00:32:20.480 instinct

00:32:20.980 is

00:32:22.120 a respect

00:32:23.540 for tradition

00:32:24.260 a wariness

00:32:27.100 about change

00:32:29.180 where there are

00:32:30.280 not clear

00:32:31.080 and obvious

00:32:32.300 benefits

00:32:33.360 and an intense

00:32:35.160 patriotism

00:32:36.080 because

00:32:37.500 as I say

00:32:38.540 at the heart

00:32:39.380 of all

00:32:39.780 decent centre

00:32:40.640 right political

00:32:41.320 movements

00:32:42.080 there's freedom

00:32:43.120 there's tradition

00:32:44.800 and there's

00:32:46.640 patriotism

00:32:48.080 love of

00:32:49.520 country

00:32:49.960 is very

00:32:51.280 much at

00:32:51.720 the heart

00:32:52.260 of all

00:32:53.680 respectable

00:32:55.180 Conservative

00:32:56.680 political

00:32:57.480 parties

00:32:57.960 and certainly

00:32:58.600 it's always

00:32:59.120 been at

00:32:59.480 the heart

00:32:59.900 of the

00:33:01.220 British

00:33:01.460 Conservative

00:33:01.960 Party

00:33:02.460 and I

00:33:03.620 guess

00:33:03.880 the

00:33:04.080 classic

00:33:04.440 exemplars

00:33:05.200 have been

00:33:06.140 Winston

00:33:06.560 Churchill

00:33:07.000 and Margaret

00:33:07.520 Thatcher

00:33:07.960 Tony I

00:33:08.740 would add

00:33:09.180 another

00:33:09.600 item to

00:33:11.320 that list

00:33:11.860 which is

00:33:12.360 prudence

00:33:13.020 and financial

00:33:14.180 responsibility

00:33:14.980 and this

00:33:16.020 is one

00:33:16.440 thing

00:33:16.940 that

00:33:17.720 I mean

00:33:18.440 Australia

00:33:18.820 is actually

00:33:19.420 a country

00:33:20.180 that has

00:33:20.700 historically

00:33:21.300 been

00:33:21.740 much more

00:33:22.980 prudent

00:33:23.540 sensible

00:33:24.200 running

00:33:24.640 surpluses

00:33:25.260 hasn't had

00:33:26.300 recessions

00:33:26.840 at times

00:33:27.280 other western

00:33:27.980 countries

00:33:28.380 have

00:33:28.660 but I

00:33:30.080 want to

00:33:30.660 get your

00:33:31.040 perspective

00:33:31.520 on this

00:33:31.840 because it

00:33:32.320 seems to

00:33:32.740 me

00:33:32.860 that

00:33:33.020 Britain

00:33:33.260 and America

00:33:33.860 in particular

00:33:34.660 have

00:33:35.640 abandoned

00:33:37.160 any

00:33:37.580 pretense

00:33:38.080 of fiscal

00:33:38.560 responsibility

00:33:39.200 we print

00:33:39.920 so much

00:33:40.500 money now

00:33:41.040 and the

00:33:41.700 concern

00:33:42.060 that I

00:33:42.460 have

00:33:42.800 and I'm

00:33:43.160 very

00:33:43.400 curious

00:33:43.800 to hear

00:33:44.240 your

00:33:44.520 thoughts

00:33:44.880 as a

00:33:45.580 former

00:33:45.880 prime

00:33:46.260 minister

00:33:46.640 is that

00:33:48.020 I don't

00:33:49.280 understand

00:33:49.840 how that

00:33:50.360 ever gets

00:33:50.840 dealt

00:33:51.120 with

00:33:51.360 because

00:33:51.760 we have

00:33:52.440 this

00:33:52.680 narrative

00:33:53.120 now

00:33:53.420 whenever

00:33:53.760 we try

00:33:54.580 to reduce

00:33:55.140 spending

00:33:55.620 that

00:33:57.100 you know

00:33:57.580 you're

00:33:57.820 killing 0.99

00:33:58.060 people 1.00

00:33:58.480 the moment

00:33:59.220 you try

00:33:59.780 to cut

00:34:00.200 any

00:34:00.440 spending

00:34:00.820 and so

00:34:01.640 I just

00:34:02.260 don't see

00:34:02.740 how that

00:34:03.140 ever gets

00:34:03.600 addressed

00:34:03.840 how are we

00:34:04.360 going to

00:34:04.620 get out

00:34:05.120 of this

00:34:05.740 our debt

00:34:08.460 is bigger

00:34:08.860 than our

00:34:09.500 GDP

00:34:09.840 the most

00:34:11.860 successful

00:34:12.460 Australian

00:34:13.100 government

00:34:13.480 in recent

00:34:13.920 times

00:34:14.260 was the

00:34:14.600 Howard

00:34:14.820 government

00:34:15.240 and

00:34:16.720 there were

00:34:18.260 a couple

00:34:19.140 of key

00:34:19.560 factors

00:34:19.960 in its

00:34:20.320 success

00:34:20.840 the most

00:34:22.900 obvious key

00:34:23.620 factor in

00:34:24.080 its success

00:34:24.740 was that

00:34:26.680 John Howard

00:34:28.340 was

00:34:29.640 essentially

00:34:31.560 unchallenged

00:34:32.580 as a leader

00:34:33.700 throughout his

00:34:35.400 11 years

00:34:36.120 at the top

00:34:37.000 and he

00:34:38.180 had around

00:34:38.760 him

00:34:39.100 a nucleus

00:34:41.080 of

00:34:42.300 very

00:34:42.800 capable

00:34:43.340 people

00:34:44.020 of

00:34:45.620 strong

00:34:46.520 and good

00:34:46.920 character

00:34:47.480 Peter

00:34:48.360 Costello

00:34:48.820 who might

00:34:49.420 have

00:34:49.600 challenged

00:34:50.840 John

00:34:51.280 Howard

00:34:51.640 and

00:34:51.920 turned

00:34:53.200 the

00:34:53.400 Howard

00:34:53.640 government

00:34:54.040 into a

00:34:54.580 much

00:34:54.860 shorter

00:34:55.140 term

00:34:55.460 government

00:34:55.840 than it

00:34:56.180 was

00:34:56.580 while he

00:34:58.240 at times

00:34:58.760 got frustrated

00:34:59.600 with John's

00:35:00.360 longevity

00:35:00.840 in the

00:35:02.420 end

00:35:02.740 he

00:35:03.580 accepted

00:35:04.100 that he

00:35:04.860 had a

00:35:05.180 duty

00:35:05.460 to be

00:35:07.580 a team

00:35:07.960 player

00:35:08.360 as opposed

00:35:09.580 to one

00:35:10.320 of those

00:35:10.620 me me

00:35:11.040 me

00:35:11.280 politicians

00:35:11.880 so that

00:35:12.940 was one

00:35:13.320 factor

00:35:13.680 the other

00:35:14.580 factor

00:35:14.960 which is

00:35:15.380 insufficiently

00:35:16.060 credited

00:35:16.400 is that

00:35:17.760 back in

00:35:18.980 1991

00:35:21.280 under the

00:35:24.580 leadership

00:35:24.940 of John

00:35:25.540 Hewson

00:35:26.040 the

00:35:27.180 Liberal

00:35:27.940 National

00:35:28.320 Coalition

00:35:28.860 went

00:35:30.060 through

00:35:30.440 a very

00:35:31.380 extensive

00:35:32.000 effectively

00:35:33.780 a first

00:35:34.380 principles

00:35:34.960 review

00:35:35.400 of policy

00:35:36.080 and we

00:35:36.960 ultimately

00:35:37.380 produced

00:35:38.260 something

00:35:38.660 called

00:35:39.100 Fightback

00:35:39.780 which

00:35:41.260 amongst

00:35:41.560 other

00:35:41.860 things

00:35:42.320 recommended

00:35:43.440 the

00:35:44.040 introduction

00:35:44.460 of a

00:35:44.740 goods

00:35:44.900 and

00:35:45.120 services

00:35:45.500 tax

00:35:46.000 but it

00:35:46.500 was

00:35:46.700 so

00:35:47.460 much

00:35:47.720 more

00:35:47.960 than

00:35:48.140 just

00:35:48.440 that

00:35:48.780 it

00:35:49.820 was

00:35:50.020 really

00:35:50.420 a

00:35:51.560 reconsideration

00:35:52.600 of

00:35:52.780 government

00:35:53.120 from

00:35:53.540 the

00:35:53.740 ground

00:35:54.020 up

00:35:54.300 what

00:35:54.960 was

00:35:55.180 government

00:35:55.540 doing

00:35:56.020 wrong

00:35:56.760 that

00:35:58.480 had to

00:35:58.780 be

00:35:58.900 made

00:35:59.160 right

00:35:59.480 what

00:36:01.320 was

00:36:01.580 government

00:36:01.980 doing

00:36:02.660 that

00:36:02.980 it

00:36:03.420 shouldn't

00:36:03.720 do

00:36:03.880 at

00:36:04.040 all

00:36:04.360 and

00:36:05.700 what

00:36:06.500 wasn't

00:36:08.520 being

00:36:08.800 done

00:36:09.080 by

00:36:09.340 government

00:36:09.660 which

00:36:09.880 should

00:36:10.040 be

00:36:10.160 done

00:36:10.340 by

00:36:10.560 government

00:36:10.940 and

00:36:11.700 that

00:36:12.200 fightback

00:36:12.780 package

00:36:13.340 effectively

00:36:14.820 provided

00:36:15.520 a

00:36:16.340 blueprint

00:36:16.760 that

00:36:17.960 guided

00:36:18.360 the

00:36:18.600 thinking

00:36:18.900 of

00:36:19.100 the

00:36:19.240 Howard

00:36:19.480 government

00:36:19.940 throughout

00:36:20.260 its

00:36:20.640 nearly

00:36:21.120 12

00:36:21.460 years

00:36:21.720 in

00:36:21.880 office

00:36:22.200 now

00:36:22.500 John

00:36:23.460 Hewson

00:36:23.780 was an

00:36:24.140 insufficiently

00:36:24.880 skilled

00:36:25.300 political

00:36:25.740 salesman

00:36:26.440 up

00:36:27.380 against

00:36:27.780 in

00:36:28.060 Paul

00:36:28.260 Keating

00:36:28.620 a

00:36:29.260 political

00:36:29.600 hunter 0.99

00:36:30.000 killer

00:36:30.380 of

00:36:30.820 great

00:36:32.140 skill

00:36:33.360 at

00:36:33.880 the

00:36:34.020 1993

00:36:34.540 election

00:36:35.200 to

00:36:35.420 win

00:36:35.700 but

00:36:36.360 nevertheless

00:36:36.820 that

00:36:37.740 fightback

00:36:38.360 policy

00:36:38.880 document

00:36:39.460 was

00:36:40.480 an

00:36:40.920 incredibly

00:36:41.480 important

00:36:42.120 piece

00:36:42.600 of work

00:36:43.300 which

00:36:44.080 was

00:36:44.400 very

00:36:44.660 much

00:36:44.940 responsible

00:36:45.500 for

00:36:45.840 the

00:36:45.980 Howard

00:36:46.220 government's

00:36:46.700 ultimate

00:36:46.920 success

00:36:47.480 now

00:36:48.080 what

00:36:48.500 we

00:36:48.680 need

00:36:48.900 now

00:36:49.380 in

00:36:51.240 Australia

00:36:51.760 in

00:36:52.660 Britain

00:36:52.980 and

00:36:53.520 in

00:36:53.640 the

00:36:53.760 United

00:36:54.060 States

00:36:54.580 basically

00:36:55.800 each

00:36:56.300 of our

00:36:56.620 countries

00:36:57.160 needs

00:36:58.440 serious

00:36:59.860 credible

00:37:00.520 people

00:37:01.200 to sit

00:37:02.240 down

00:37:02.640 and work

00:37:03.260 out

00:37:03.520 a new

00:37:04.440 plan

00:37:04.880 and it

00:37:05.760 can't

00:37:06.040 just be

00:37:06.360 the

00:37:06.540 economic

00:37:06.920 rationalism

00:37:07.740 of the

00:37:08.720 Reagan

00:37:08.980 Thatcher

00:37:09.420 era

00:37:09.760 important

00:37:10.400 though it

00:37:10.860 is

00:37:11.140 there's

00:37:11.980 got to

00:37:12.200 be a

00:37:12.460 focus

00:37:12.740 on

00:37:13.000 society

00:37:13.660 as well

00:37:14.500 as just

00:37:14.880 on

00:37:15.200 the

00:37:15.800 economy

00:37:16.200 but

00:37:17.060 we've

00:37:17.340 got to

00:37:17.620 think

00:37:17.820 of

00:37:18.000 how

00:37:18.360 do

00:37:18.500 we

00:37:18.620 make

00:37:18.900 our

00:37:19.160 economies

00:37:19.700 more

00:37:20.540 dynamic

00:37:21.100 more

00:37:22.040 productive

00:37:22.580 how do

00:37:24.320 we

00:37:24.540 beat

00:37:25.460 Russia

00:37:26.360 and China

00:37:27.020 in the

00:37:27.860 technology

00:37:28.420 race

00:37:28.900 that's

00:37:29.200 important

00:37:29.600 to keeping

00:37:30.100 ourselves

00:37:30.600 safe

00:37:31.140 while at

00:37:32.860 the same

00:37:33.280 time

00:37:33.760 preserving

00:37:34.560 the social

00:37:35.360 fabric

00:37:35.820 so there's

00:37:37.020 an economic

00:37:37.480 challenge

00:37:38.040 there's a

00:37:39.140 social

00:37:39.460 challenge

00:37:40.020 now

00:37:40.320 at the

00:37:41.460 moment

00:37:41.780 we are

00:37:42.780 spending

00:37:43.200 gargantuan

00:37:44.100 amounts

00:37:44.540 of money

00:37:45.040 industrialising

00:37:47.140 effectively

00:37:47.760 aged care

00:37:49.320 disability

00:37:49.980 care

00:37:50.480 and

00:37:51.060 child

00:37:51.400 care

00:37:51.740 I'm

00:37:53.520 not

00:37:53.700 saying

00:37:54.000 this

00:37:54.200 is

00:37:54.340 easy

00:37:54.700 but

00:37:55.180 we

00:37:55.320 need

00:37:55.540 to

00:37:55.700 find

00:37:55.980 ways

00:37:56.480 of

00:37:57.120 spending

00:37:57.540 less

00:37:58.160 on

00:37:59.080 commercialising

00:38:00.420 and

00:38:00.620 corporatising

00:38:01.380 these

00:38:02.080 things

00:38:02.500 which

00:38:02.840 in a

00:38:03.100 better

00:38:03.280 world

00:38:03.660 would

00:38:03.860 be

00:38:04.000 done

00:38:04.280 by

00:38:04.880 the

00:38:05.040 family

00:38:05.420 because

00:38:05.780 that

00:38:06.100 too

00:38:06.500 is

00:38:07.400 part

00:38:07.780 of

00:38:08.060 building

00:38:08.460 a

00:38:08.800 better

00:38:09.000 society

00:38:09.620 and

00:38:10.380 respecting

00:38:10.860 the

00:38:11.480 social

00:38:11.820 fabric

00:38:12.260 and

00:38:12.960 then

00:38:13.100 we

00:38:13.240 need

00:38:13.420 to

00:38:13.540 have

00:38:13.720 a

00:38:13.820 long

00:38:14.000 hard

00:38:14.260 think

00:38:14.540 about

00:38:14.780 our

00:38:14.960 defences

00:38:15.400 now

00:38:15.720 the

00:38:16.440 military

00:38:16.740 forces

00:38:17.220 even

00:38:17.840 of the

00:38:18.100 United

00:38:18.360 States

00:38:18.840 have

00:38:19.040 been

00:38:19.240 massively

00:38:19.720 wound

00:38:20.120 down

00:38:20.420 over

00:38:20.680 the

00:38:20.820 last

00:38:21.040 30

00:38:21.340 years

00:38:21.720 and

00:38:22.560 as

00:38:22.740 we

00:38:22.880 are

00:38:23.020 now

00:38:23.260 seeing

00:38:23.720 while

00:38:24.560 we

00:38:24.820 have

00:38:25.000 been

00:38:25.240 winding

00:38:25.640 things

00:38:26.060 down

00:38:26.480 our

00:38:27.080 strategic

00:38:27.640 competitors

00:38:28.420 have

00:38:29.060 been

00:38:29.320 massively

00:38:30.060 winding

00:38:30.520 things

00:38:30.920 up

00:38:31.180 China

00:38:32.160 has

00:38:32.600 engaged

00:38:33.220 in

00:38:33.840 the

00:38:34.000 biggest

00:38:34.500 peacetime

00:38:35.440 rearmament

00:38:36.180 in

00:38:36.500 history

00:38:36.960 over

00:38:37.960 the

00:38:38.160 last

00:38:38.400 decade

00:38:38.900 and

00:38:39.520 that's

00:38:39.820 why

00:38:40.080 we

00:38:40.340 don't

00:38:40.920 just

00:38:41.120 have

00:38:41.420 this

00:38:42.140 dreadful

00:38:42.720 problem

00:38:43.160 in

00:38:44.260 Eastern

00:38:44.600 Europe

00:38:44.920 we

00:38:45.460 don't

00:38:45.780 just

00:38:46.020 have

00:38:46.380 a

00:38:48.020 potential

00:38:48.460 apocalypse

00:38:49.020 in

00:38:49.460 the

00:38:49.600 Middle 0.95

00:38:49.760 East

00:38:50.120 but

00:38:51.260 we've

00:38:51.500 also

00:38:51.840 got

00:38:52.180 the

00:38:52.400 peril

00:38:52.760 of

00:38:53.320 a

00:38:55.060 conflict

00:38:55.640 in

00:38:56.560 East

00:38:56.840 Asia

00:38:57.240 which

00:38:58.420 would

00:38:58.660 have

00:38:58.960 ramifications

00:38:59.820 far

00:39:01.200 far exceeding

00:39:02.180 it would

00:39:02.400 be many

00:39:02.840 orders of

00:39:03.400 magnitude

00:39:03.840 more

00:39:04.500 disruptive

00:39:05.020 than the

00:39:06.000 Ukraine

00:39:06.380 conflict

00:39:06.620 we'll

00:39:07.100 come

00:39:07.260 to

00:39:07.420 China

00:39:07.640 let

00:39:08.260 me

00:39:08.360 just

00:39:08.520 finish

00:39:08.740 on

00:39:08.880 the

00:39:09.000 economy

00:39:09.280 and

00:39:09.460 then

00:39:09.620 you

00:39:09.840 do

00:39:09.980 China

00:39:10.260 you

00:39:10.900 say

00:39:11.460 we

00:39:11.840 need

00:39:12.020 to

00:39:12.160 spend

00:39:12.460 less

00:39:13.120 on

00:39:13.680 this

00:39:14.020 on

00:39:14.560 what

00:39:14.920 we

00:39:15.080 call

00:39:15.260 social

00:39:15.640 care

00:39:15.960 and

00:39:16.100 all

00:39:16.220 this

00:39:16.420 other

00:39:16.620 stuff

00:39:16.860 right

00:39:17.100 and

00:39:18.520 if

00:39:18.960 it

00:39:19.380 was

00:39:19.480 done

00:39:19.660 by

00:39:19.800 the

00:39:19.940 family

00:39:20.200 we

00:39:20.640 need

00:39:20.840 to

00:39:20.980 spend

00:39:21.240 smarter

00:39:21.800 yeah

00:39:22.020 I

00:39:22.200 understand

00:39:22.560 and

00:39:23.060 over

00:39:23.480 time

00:39:23.860 if

00:39:24.100 we

00:39:24.220 spend

00:39:24.520 smarter

00:39:25.000 we

00:39:25.320 should

00:39:25.560 spend

00:39:25.900 less

00:39:26.040 and

00:39:26.200 it

00:39:26.280 should

00:39:26.400 be

00:39:26.520 done

00:39:26.660 by

00:39:26.800 the

00:39:26.940 family

00:39:27.240 which

00:39:27.520 brings

00:39:27.840 me

00:39:28.140 to

00:39:28.720 the

00:39:29.120 problem

00:39:29.480 that

00:39:29.760 we

00:39:30.020 have

00:39:30.280 and

00:39:30.400 which

00:39:30.580 I

00:39:30.740 think

00:39:30.920 is

00:39:31.080 driving

00:39:31.540 a lot

00:39:32.580 of

00:39:32.760 the

00:39:32.980 wokeness

00:39:33.540 that

00:39:33.720 we

00:39:33.880 all

00:39:34.040 complain

00:39:34.440 about

00:39:34.780 which

00:39:35.060 is

00:39:35.320 how

00:39:36.100 do

00:39:36.820 you

00:39:37.060 have

00:39:37.480 families

00:39:38.320 looking

00:39:38.680 after

00:39:39.160 elderly

00:39:39.680 people

00:39:40.120 or

00:39:40.340 their

00:39:40.500 own

00:39:40.720 children

00:39:41.100 when

00:39:41.840 the

00:39:42.340 cost

00:39:42.660 of

00:39:42.840 housing

00:39:43.260 is

00:39:43.740 so

00:39:44.140 high

00:39:44.580 that

00:39:45.140 both

00:39:45.540 parents

00:39:46.040 have

00:39:46.300 to

00:39:46.460 work

00:39:46.880 just

00:39:47.480 to

00:39:47.700 make

00:39:47.940 ends

00:39:48.160 me

00:39:48.360 and

00:39:48.580 here

00:39:48.800 in

00:39:49.000 London

00:39:49.300 even

00:39:50.140 two

00:39:50.580 very

00:39:51.000 successful

00:39:51.580 professional

00:39:52.180 people

00:39:52.680 struggle

00:39:53.240 to

00:39:53.480 get

00:39:53.640 on

00:39:53.780 the

00:39:53.900 ladder

00:39:57.520 there

00:39:57.720 is

00:39:57.860 a

00:39:58.040 trap

00:39:58.520 and

00:39:58.820 I'm

00:39:59.300 curious

00:39:59.780 how

00:40:00.340 you

00:40:00.660 would

00:40:00.980 resolve

00:40:01.380 that

00:40:01.720 well

00:40:03.960 it's

00:40:04.300 a

00:40:04.400 complex

00:40:04.760 problem

00:40:05.180 there's

00:40:05.460 no doubt

00:40:05.760 about

00:40:06.020 that

00:40:06.360 and

00:40:06.640 while

00:40:06.840 there

00:40:06.980 are

00:40:07.100 lots

00:40:07.340 of

00:40:07.480 things

00:40:07.720 that

00:40:07.860 you

00:40:07.940 can

00:40:08.080 do

00:40:08.260 that

00:40:08.420 will

00:40:08.580 help

00:40:08.960 there's

00:40:10.140 no

00:40:10.480 magic

00:40:11.520 wand

00:40:11.860 here

00:40:12.160 what

00:40:13.320 are

00:40:13.440 the

00:40:13.560 things

00:40:13.820 that

00:40:13.960 are

00:40:14.060 feeding

00:40:14.300 into

00:40:14.560 the

00:40:14.740 housing

00:40:15.020 crisis

00:40:15.620 partly

00:40:17.860 it's

00:40:19.380 the

00:40:20.060 cost

00:40:21.100 of

00:40:21.240 construction

00:40:21.800 which

00:40:23.540 is

00:40:24.660 often

00:40:27.520 being

00:40:27.860 driven

00:40:28.200 by

00:40:28.720 at

00:40:29.020 times

00:40:29.380 unreasonable

00:40:30.280 environmental

00:40:31.160 and

00:40:31.880 planning

00:40:32.220 rules

00:40:32.740 partly

00:40:35.180 it's

00:40:36.700 the

00:40:38.280 quantitative

00:40:39.900 easing

00:40:40.560 of the

00:40:40.880 last

00:40:41.240 decade

00:40:41.880 which

00:40:42.900 has

00:40:43.480 resulted

00:40:43.940 in

00:40:44.240 massive

00:40:44.920 asset

00:40:45.440 price

00:40:45.940 inflation

00:40:47.000 and

00:40:49.240 partly

00:40:49.660 it's

00:40:49.980 immigration

00:40:50.600 now

00:40:51.680 in

00:40:53.300 Australia

00:40:53.880 there

00:40:56.820 was

00:40:57.300 net

00:40:58.580 overseas

00:40:58.960 migration

00:40:59.660 averaging

00:41:00.100 about

00:41:00.380 100,000

00:41:01.200 a year

00:41:01.760 in the

00:41:02.680 Howard

00:41:02.960 era

00:41:03.260 since

00:41:04.600 then

00:41:04.980 it's

00:41:05.720 averaged

00:41:06.440 close to

00:41:07.660 300,000

00:41:08.620 a year

00:41:09.160 and

00:41:10.400 just at

00:41:11.320 the

00:41:11.480 moment

00:41:11.820 we're

00:41:12.880 expecting

00:41:13.420 about

00:41:14.080 800,000

00:41:15.280 long-term

00:41:17.340 arrivals

00:41:18.820 over the

00:41:20.040 current

00:41:20.340 two-year

00:41:20.840 period

00:41:21.320 and

00:41:22.520 that's

00:41:23.180 putting

00:41:23.440 downward

00:41:23.840 pressure

00:41:24.220 on

00:41:24.460 wages

00:41:24.920 upward

00:41:25.900 pressure

00:41:26.300 on

00:41:26.520 housing

00:41:26.960 massive

00:41:28.000 pressure

00:41:28.520 on

00:41:29.300 infrastructure

00:41:29.940 of all

00:41:30.800 types

00:41:31.400 whether

00:41:31.680 it's

00:41:32.020 public

00:41:32.720 transport

00:41:33.360 roads

00:41:33.960 schools

00:41:35.080 hospitals

00:41:35.660 etc

00:41:36.140 and

00:41:38.220 yet

00:41:38.440 one of

00:41:39.140 the

00:41:39.300 difficulties

00:41:39.760 that

00:41:40.100 we've

00:41:40.340 got

00:41:40.660 is

00:41:41.460 that

00:41:41.680 it's

00:41:43.320 pervasive

00:41:44.960 amongst

00:41:47.320 the

00:41:47.560 commanding

00:41:48.060 heights

00:41:48.440 of

00:41:48.740 contemporary

00:41:49.500 anglosphere

00:41:50.840 societies

00:41:51.520 that

00:41:52.720 immigration

00:41:53.640 is an

00:41:54.780 unalloyed

00:41:55.700 economic

00:41:56.220 good

00:41:57.000 and that

00:41:58.120 immigration

00:41:58.760 is actually

00:41:59.760 a moral

00:42:00.500 obligation

00:42:01.360 upon us

00:42:02.020 we have

00:42:02.460 no right

00:42:03.140 to say

00:42:04.100 to people

00:42:04.560 who turn

00:42:05.280 up in

00:42:06.000 a rubber

00:42:06.320 ducky

00:42:06.680 on the

00:42:07.380 beaches

00:42:07.720 near

00:42:08.040 Dover

00:42:08.400 or the

00:42:09.620 people

00:42:09.940 who

00:42:10.240 come

00:42:10.920 in a

00:42:11.160 fishing

00:42:11.420 boat

00:42:11.800 from

00:42:12.100 Java

00:42:12.520 to

00:42:12.820 Australia

00:42:13.280 we have

00:42:14.220 no right

00:42:14.800 to say

00:42:15.180 no to

00:42:15.580 you

00:42:15.820 I mean

00:42:16.980 I cannot

00:42:17.580 believe

00:42:18.220 the

00:42:21.000 moral

00:42:22.800 contortions

00:42:23.820 which

00:42:24.660 stop

00:42:25.080 Britain

00:42:25.520 from

00:42:27.460 getting

00:42:30.000 itself

00:42:30.520 from

00:42:30.880 out

00:42:31.320 of

00:42:31.640 this

00:42:32.020 European

00:42:32.820 legal

00:42:33.540 entanglement

00:42:34.220 which

00:42:35.240 prevents

00:42:35.860 Britain

00:42:37.320 doing

00:42:37.660 what we

00:42:38.180 did

00:42:38.360 in

00:42:38.500 Australia

00:42:38.960 with

00:42:39.340 Nauru

00:42:39.720 and

00:42:39.880 PNG

00:42:40.340 sending

00:42:40.820 people

00:42:41.160 to

00:42:41.320 Rwanda

00:42:41.720 I

00:42:42.800 cannot

00:42:43.220 believe

00:42:43.860 the

00:42:45.900 gummed

00:42:46.320 up

00:42:46.480 system

00:42:47.060 which

00:42:47.740 means

00:42:48.080 that

00:42:48.300 people

00:42:48.640 who

00:42:49.020 come

00:42:49.800 here

00:42:50.060 illegally

00:42:50.580 by

00:42:50.940 boat

00:42:51.340 and

00:42:52.260 who

00:42:52.420 plainly

00:42:53.020 are

00:42:53.740 not

00:42:54.000 fair

00:42:54.660 dinkum

00:42:55.000 refugees

00:42:55.620 I

00:42:56.000 mean

00:42:56.120 they've

00:42:56.340 gone

00:42:56.520 through

00:42:56.800 many

00:42:57.420 safe

00:42:57.820 countries

00:42:58.340 before

00:42:59.120 they

00:42:59.420 get

00:42:59.900 on

00:43:00.040 a

00:43:00.180 boat

00:43:00.400 in

00:43:00.700 France

00:43:01.080 to

00:43:01.300 come

00:43:01.480 to

00:43:01.660 Britain

00:43:01.920 so

00:43:02.160 they're

00:43:02.340 not

00:43:02.520 fair

00:43:02.760 dinkum

00:43:03.000 refugees

00:43:03.420 at

00:43:03.720 all

00:43:04.020 I

00:43:04.160 mean

00:43:04.300 sure

00:43:04.980 they

00:43:05.180 might

00:43:05.460 ultimately

00:43:06.000 have

00:43:06.240 come

00:43:06.480 from

00:43:06.720 nasty

00:43:07.100 horrible 1.00

00:43:07.480 countries

00:43:08.000 but if

00:43:08.340 they

00:43:08.460 were

00:43:08.660 fair

00:43:09.260 dinkum

00:43:09.480 refugees

00:43:09.940 they

00:43:10.280 would

00:43:10.440 seek

00:43:10.700 sanctuary

00:43:11.160 in

00:43:11.300 the

00:43:11.420 first

00:43:11.680 safe

00:43:11.960 country

00:43:12.320 to

00:43:12.500 which

00:43:12.680 they'd

00:43:12.940 come

00:43:13.160 and

00:43:13.300 that

00:43:14.000 might

00:43:14.220 have

00:43:14.340 been

00:43:14.540 Turkey

00:43:14.960 it

00:43:16.080 might

00:43:16.340 have

00:43:16.480 been

00:43:16.760 Italy

00:43:17.220 it

00:43:18.080 certainly

00:43:18.460 isn't

00:43:18.860 Britain

00:43:19.160 I

00:43:20.840 can't

00:43:21.240 believe

00:43:21.580 the

00:43:21.800 contortions

00:43:22.500 that

00:43:22.760 stop

00:43:23.400 the

00:43:26.080 creation

00:43:26.760 of an

00:43:27.060 effective

00:43:27.400 policy

00:43:27.920 here

00:43:28.360 but

00:43:30.400 again

00:43:30.680 it's

00:43:30.960 the

00:43:31.480 it's

00:43:32.700 the

00:43:33.200 moral

00:43:33.600 uncertainty

00:43:34.300 it's

00:43:35.320 the

00:43:35.460 cultural

00:43:35.860 self

00:43:36.260 doubt

00:43:36.620 which

00:43:37.360 has

00:43:37.520 afflicted

00:43:38.040 the

00:43:38.180 Western

00:43:38.480 leadership

00:43:38.960 to a

00:43:39.400 greater

00:43:39.660 or lesser

00:43:40.000 extent

00:43:40.500 for some

00:43:41.400 decades

00:43:41.820 now

00:43:42.180 certainly

00:43:42.780 since

00:43:43.180 the

00:43:43.460 Reagan

00:43:44.380 Thatcher

00:43:45.080 Pope

00:43:46.380 John

00:43:46.680 Paul

00:43:47.060 era

00:43:47.480 there's

00:43:48.800 been

00:43:49.200 a

00:43:50.900 grave

00:43:51.460 weakening

00:43:52.200 of the

00:43:53.480 moral

00:43:54.240 clarity

00:43:54.940 with which

00:43:56.000 the

00:43:56.320 leaders

00:43:56.740 of the

00:43:58.040 Western

00:43:58.320 world

00:43:58.660 have

00:43:58.820 operated

00:43:59.280 but

00:43:59.940 Tony

00:44:00.320 this

00:44:00.660 goes

00:44:00.900 back

00:44:01.120 to

00:44:01.280 what

00:44:01.440 you

00:44:01.640 said

00:44:01.900 so

00:44:02.100 you

00:44:02.300 said

00:44:02.680 you

00:44:02.880 know

00:44:03.000 that

00:44:03.180 you

00:44:03.400 got

00:44:03.660 pushed

00:44:04.060 out

00:44:04.400 ostensibly

00:44:05.540 because

00:44:06.000 you

00:44:06.620 were

00:44:06.760 pretty

00:44:06.980 hard

00:44:07.280 lying

00:44:07.480 about

00:44:07.700 certain

00:44:08.060 issues

00:44:08.380 well

00:44:08.580 it

00:44:08.660 was

00:44:08.780 one

00:44:08.980 of

00:44:09.100 the

00:44:09.220 factors

00:44:09.600 I

00:44:09.860 also

00:44:10.500 had

00:44:10.820 someone

00:44:11.180 who

00:44:11.500 didn't

00:44:12.140 stay

00:44:12.380 in the

00:44:12.620 parliament

00:44:12.960 to be

00:44:13.300 someone

00:44:13.540 else's

00:44:13.940 minister

00:44:14.280 and

00:44:14.520 fair

00:44:14.780 enough

00:44:15.120 you're

00:44:16.000 entitled

00:44:16.420 to be

00:44:16.740 ambitious

00:44:17.120 and

00:44:17.500 I

00:44:18.060 suppose

00:44:18.600 if

00:44:19.720 you

00:44:19.860 see

00:44:20.100 an

00:44:20.240 opportunity

00:44:20.800 to

00:44:21.220 seize

00:44:22.040 the

00:44:22.240 numbers

00:44:22.580 and

00:44:22.920 make

00:44:23.300 yourself

00:44:23.640 the

00:44:23.840 PM

00:44:24.220 go

00:44:25.080 for

00:44:25.400 it

00:44:25.560 problem

00:44:26.440 was

00:44:27.020 that

00:44:27.880 a

00:44:29.200 government

00:44:29.540 that

00:44:29.780 was

00:44:29.960 elected

00:44:30.380 to

00:44:31.180 be

00:44:31.320 a

00:44:31.480 government

00:44:31.760 of

00:44:31.940 the

00:44:32.100 centre

00:44:32.880 right

00:44:33.300 to

00:44:34.300 be

00:44:34.520 if

00:44:34.680 you

00:44:34.800 like

00:44:35.060 a

00:44:35.320 government

00:44:35.640 very

00:44:36.020 much

00:44:36.420 in

00:44:36.780 the

00:44:36.940 mould

00:44:37.180 of

00:44:37.340 John

00:44:37.560 Howard

00:44:37.960 turned

00:44:39.800 out

00:44:40.080 not

00:44:40.680 to

00:44:40.880 be

00:44:41.020 that

00:44:41.320 after

00:44:42.320 I

00:44:42.580 left

00:44:43.800 office

00:44:44.200 and

00:44:44.540 I

00:44:45.000 think

00:44:45.160 that

00:44:45.380 was

00:44:45.660 not

00:44:46.640 only

00:44:46.900 bad

00:44:47.280 for

00:44:47.500 the

00:44:47.740 Liberal

00:44:48.200 National

00:44:48.560 Coalition

00:44:49.040 in

00:44:49.240 Australia

00:44:49.660 but

00:44:50.800 I

00:44:51.000 don't

00:44:51.460 think

00:44:51.620 it

00:44:51.740 was

00:44:51.940 great

00:44:52.300 for

00:44:52.540 the

00:44:52.840 quality

00:44:53.100 of

00:44:53.300 government

00:44:53.580 either

00:44:53.920 But

00:44:54.380 that's

00:44:54.780 the

00:44:54.920 problem

00:44:55.240 let's

00:44:55.680 look

00:44:55.860 at

00:44:55.960 it

00:44:56.060 in

00:44:57.020 a

00:44:57.140 broader

00:44:57.380 sense

00:44:57.820 Tony

00:44:58.100 that's

00:44:58.760 pretty

00:44:59.160 much

00:44:59.560 what

00:44:59.780 is

00:44:59.940 happening

00:45:00.360 when

00:45:01.040 people

00:45:01.480 see

00:45:01.800 every

00:45:02.220 government

00:45:02.620 in

00:45:03.060 the

00:45:03.200 Western

00:45:03.500 world

00:45:03.900 this

00:45:04.440 is

00:45:04.580 a

00:45:04.720 government

00:45:04.920 that

00:45:05.120 purports

00:45:05.520 to be

00:45:05.780 one

00:45:06.020 thing

00:45:06.300 it

00:45:06.700 turns

00:45:06.960 out

00:45:07.140 to

00:45:07.280 be

00:45:07.400 another

00:45:07.700 the

00:45:08.120 conservatives

00:45:08.660 aren't

00:45:08.980 conservatives

00:45:09.600 Labour

00:45:10.340 aren't

00:45:11.080 particularly

00:45:11.540 left-wing

00:45:12.120 the

00:45:12.560 Liberal

00:45:12.860 Democrats

00:45:13.320 You

00:45:13.920 wait

00:45:14.200 till

00:45:14.900 I

00:45:15.040 get

00:45:15.200 in

00:45:15.340 then

00:45:16.380 they

00:45:16.580 will

00:45:16.720 be

00:45:16.900 very

00:45:17.240 left-wing

00:45:18.060 indeed

00:45:18.400 I

00:45:18.540 mean

00:45:18.700 a

00:45:18.960 better

00:45:19.140 way

00:45:19.340 of

00:45:19.460 saying

00:45:19.680 it

00:45:19.840 would

00:45:19.980 have

00:45:20.120 been

00:45:20.260 Labour

00:45:20.640 aren't

00:45:21.040 pro-Labour

00:45:21.800 they're

00:45:22.180 no longer

00:45:25.080 a working

00:45:25.700 class

00:45:26.120 party

00:45:26.560 but that

00:45:27.120 is what

00:45:27.700 I mean

00:45:30.920 by left-wing

00:45:31.460 they're not

00:45:31.740 traditional

00:45:32.180 left-wing

00:45:32.740 you've got

00:45:33.800 the Liberal

00:45:34.160 Democrats

00:45:34.600 who

00:45:35.040 after

00:45:35.380 Brexit

00:45:35.920 or during

00:45:36.420 Brexit

00:45:36.740 proved

00:45:37.100 themselves

00:45:37.400 to be

00:45:37.680 neither

00:45:37.860 liberal

00:45:38.200 nor

00:45:38.460 democratic

00:45:39.060 so

00:45:39.940 this

00:45:40.500 is

00:45:40.720 really

00:45:41.040 what

00:45:41.220 we're

00:45:41.400 talking

00:45:41.760 about

00:45:42.000 here

00:45:42.200 which

00:45:42.440 is

00:45:42.680 a

00:45:43.220 crisis

00:45:43.840 but

00:45:44.300 again

00:45:44.720 in a

00:45:45.860 democracy

00:45:46.320 ultimately

00:45:47.040 the people

00:45:47.620 get the

00:45:48.080 government

00:45:48.360 they

00:45:48.600 deserve

00:45:49.060 so

00:45:49.860 if

00:45:50.500 you

00:45:50.700 think

00:45:51.100 that

00:45:51.780 the

00:45:51.960 political

00:45:52.260 parties

00:45:52.780 that

00:45:53.000 you

00:45:53.140 normally

00:45:53.460 vote

00:45:53.820 for

00:45:54.160 are

00:45:54.520 failing

00:45:54.840 you

00:45:55.220 you

00:45:56.060 can

00:45:56.320 complain

00:45:57.880 and 1.00

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00:45:59.260 and 1.00

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00:47:32.560 few

00:47:32.780 people

00:47:33.100 in

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00:47:33.580 media

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00:47:35.400 it

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00:47:37.860 look at

00:47:38.220 China

00:47:38.540 because

00:47:38.820 that

00:47:39.060 is

00:47:39.220 something

00:47:39.500 that

00:47:39.720 worries

00:47:39.980 me

00:47:40.220 I

00:47:40.520 don't

00:47:40.700 think

00:47:40.900 it's

00:47:41.080 something

00:47:41.300 we

00:47:41.500 discuss

00:47:41.880 about

00:47:42.200 enough

00:47:42.580 and

00:47:43.360 people

00:47:43.840 see

00:47:44.600 the

00:47:44.900 issue

00:47:45.260 of

00:47:45.480 Taiwan

00:47:45.900 and

00:47:46.780 you

00:47:46.900 know

00:47:46.980 put

00:47:47.180 their

00:47:47.340 fingers

00:47:47.660 in

00:47:47.860 their

00:47:48.020 ears

00:47:48.200 and

00:47:48.320 go

00:47:48.520 pretty

00:47:48.940 much

00:47:49.180 la la la

00:47:49.860 but

00:47:50.360 if

00:47:50.580 you

00:47:50.700 look

00:47:50.940 at

00:47:51.160 what's

00:47:51.880 happened

00:47:52.100 in

00:47:52.280 Ukraine

00:47:52.640 if

00:47:53.120 you

00:47:53.260 look

00:47:53.440 about

00:47:53.640 the

00:47:53.820 horrendous

00:47:54.660 attack

00:47:55.120 on

00:47:55.940 Israel

00:47:56.240 it

00:47:57.020 seems

00:47:57.380 logical

00:47:57.920 that

00:47:58.440 Taiwan

00:47:59.280 is

00:47:59.540 next

00:47:59.900 well

00:48:01.300 there's

00:48:01.600 no doubt

00:48:02.260 in my

00:48:02.700 mind

00:48:03.060 that

00:48:03.640 the

00:48:03.800 commissars

00:48:04.320 in

00:48:04.540 Beijing

00:48:05.060 have

00:48:06.260 been

00:48:06.540 closely

00:48:07.100 watching

00:48:07.520 all of

00:48:07.880 this

00:48:08.180 and

00:48:09.300 they

00:48:09.760 will

00:48:09.940 be

00:48:10.180 carefully

00:48:10.600 weighing

00:48:11.200 their

00:48:12.700 chances

00:48:13.260 of

00:48:13.980 getting

00:48:15.080 away

00:48:15.600 with

00:48:16.600 an

00:48:16.740 assault

00:48:17.120 on

00:48:17.740 Taiwan

00:48:18.240 because

00:48:19.060 just

00:48:19.500 as

00:48:19.700 Putin

00:48:20.240 sees

00:48:21.100 himself

00:48:21.680 as

00:48:22.420 having

00:48:22.960 if

00:48:23.400 you

00:48:23.520 like

00:48:23.800 a

00:48:24.100 mission

00:48:25.000 from

00:48:25.320 God

00:48:25.700 to

00:48:25.960 recreate

00:48:26.420 greater

00:48:27.280 Russia

00:48:27.740 Xi

00:48:28.840 Jinping 0.99

00:48:29.200 and

00:48:29.960 his

00:48:30.240 colleagues

00:48:30.900 see

00:48:31.200 themselves

00:48:31.640 as

00:48:32.120 having

00:48:32.420 a

00:48:33.400 mission

00:48:33.660 from

00:48:34.080 whatever

00:48:34.620 God

00:48:35.040 they

00:48:35.580 worship

00:48:35.920 to

00:48:37.260 end

00:48:37.520 the

00:48:37.720 century

00:48:38.060 of

00:48:38.260 humiliation

00:48:38.860 and

00:48:40.900 to

00:48:41.100 make

00:48:41.400 China

00:48:42.260 once

00:48:42.920 more

00:48:43.340 the

00:48:43.940 world's

00:48:44.400 middle

00:48:44.620 kingdom

00:48:45.020 the

00:48:45.620 globally

00:48:46.200 dominant

00:48:47.000 power

00:48:47.940 now

00:48:49.280 the

00:48:50.700 first

00:48:51.000 step

00:48:51.360 was

00:48:52.760 to

00:48:53.140 modernize

00:48:53.980 their

00:48:54.140 economy

00:48:54.600 they've

00:48:56.240 substantially

00:48:56.760 done

00:48:57.140 that

00:48:57.420 the

00:48:58.180 next

00:48:58.440 step

00:48:58.760 was

00:48:59.120 to

00:48:59.500 crush 0.84

00:49:00.040 Hong

00:49:00.300 Kong 0.77

00:49:00.580 they've

00:49:01.700 substantially

00:49:02.200 done

00:49:02.540 that

00:49:02.780 now

00:49:04.840 the

00:49:05.200 step

00:49:05.500 is

00:49:05.680 to

00:49:05.860 seize

00:49:06.320 Taiwan

00:49:07.220 even

00:49:08.040 though

00:49:08.340 Taiwan

00:49:08.980 is

00:49:09.840 a

00:49:10.040 practically

00:49:10.640 independent

00:49:11.620 liberal

00:49:12.300 democracy

00:49:12.880 of

00:49:13.360 25

00:49:13.780 million

00:49:14.220 people

00:49:14.740 which

00:49:15.580 after

00:49:16.440 considering

00:49:17.800 what

00:49:18.620 China

00:49:19.220 has

00:49:19.660 done

00:49:20.660 to the

00:49:21.140 commitments

00:49:21.700 it made

00:49:22.360 in respect

00:49:22.840 of Hong

00:49:23.280 Kong 0.77

00:49:23.600 is never

00:49:24.640 going to

00:49:25.040 agree

00:49:25.440 to submit

00:49:28.160 to rule

00:49:28.580 from

00:49:28.900 Beijing

00:49:29.680 and

00:49:31.360 the

00:49:32.660 only

00:49:32.920 thing

00:49:33.160 that

00:49:33.320 will

00:49:33.460 stop

00:49:33.980 Beijing

00:49:35.500 from

00:49:35.980 at

00:49:36.180 some

00:49:36.520 point

00:49:36.840 in

00:49:37.040 time

00:49:37.460 attempting

00:49:38.720 to seize

00:49:39.300 Taiwan

00:49:39.660 by force

00:49:40.460 is

00:49:41.360 the

00:49:42.600 knowledge

00:49:43.120 that it

00:49:44.000 won't

00:49:44.280 just be

00:49:44.720 1.4

00:49:45.540 billion

00:49:45.900 Chinese

00:49:46.700 against

00:49:47.480 25

00:49:47.960 million

00:49:48.480 Taiwanese

00:49:49.080 it will

00:49:50.100 effectively

00:49:50.620 be

00:49:51.540 China

00:49:52.040 against

00:49:52.600 an array

00:49:53.400 of

00:49:54.520 powerful

00:49:55.100 democracies

00:49:55.960 and

00:49:56.420 this

00:49:57.560 is

00:49:57.720 why

00:49:58.060 whatever

00:49:59.100 quibbles

00:50:00.820 we might

00:50:01.280 have

00:50:01.520 with

00:50:01.860 Joe

00:50:02.460 Biden

00:50:02.920 four

00:50:03.300 times

00:50:03.740 now

00:50:04.100 he

00:50:04.760 said

00:50:05.140 that

00:50:05.480 if

00:50:06.060 China

00:50:06.400 did

00:50:06.680 attack

00:50:07.040 Taiwan

00:50:07.580 America

00:50:08.620 would

00:50:08.960 defend

00:50:09.400 Taiwan

00:50:09.980 the

00:50:12.440 policy

00:50:13.080 of

00:50:13.360 strategic

00:50:13.880 ambiguity

00:50:14.500 has

00:50:15.100 not

00:50:15.340 been

00:50:15.580 formally

00:50:16.020 abandoned

00:50:16.560 but

00:50:17.380 I

00:50:17.560 think

00:50:17.760 it

00:50:17.920 has

00:50:18.160 been

00:50:19.020 certainly

00:50:20.120 amended

00:50:20.820 by

00:50:21.660 Biden

00:50:22.160 but

00:50:23.760 it's

00:50:24.360 one

00:50:24.580 thing

00:50:24.860 to

00:50:25.260 say

00:50:25.660 that

00:50:26.640 America

00:50:27.000 will

00:50:27.260 defend

00:50:27.620 Taiwan

00:50:28.140 it's

00:50:29.140 another

00:50:29.440 thing

00:50:29.880 for

00:50:31.160 America

00:50:31.560 to be

00:50:32.060 readily

00:50:32.780 able

00:50:33.160 to

00:50:33.340 do

00:50:33.580 so

00:50:34.020 particularly

00:50:34.920 if

00:50:35.580 a lot

00:50:36.140 of

00:50:36.320 their

00:50:36.540 ordnance

00:50:37.080 stocks

00:50:37.500 have

00:50:37.760 been

00:50:38.080 sent

00:50:38.340 to

00:50:38.540 Ukraine

00:50:39.020 and

00:50:39.740 particularly

00:50:40.240 if

00:50:40.620 a lot

00:50:41.060 of

00:50:41.220 their

00:50:41.440 military

00:50:41.900 assets

00:50:42.420 are

00:50:42.800 in

00:50:43.420 the

00:50:43.560 eastern

00:50:43.840 Mediterranean

00:50:44.500 to

00:50:45.320 try

00:50:45.580 to

00:50:45.740 ensure

00:50:46.160 that

00:50:46.460 Iran

00:50:47.000 doesn't

00:50:48.120 start

00:50:48.540 playing

00:50:49.020 horrific

00:50:49.600 games

00:50:50.220 with

00:50:51.340 Israel

00:50:51.820 and

00:50:52.620 this

00:50:53.080 is

00:50:53.260 where

00:50:53.500 I'm

00:50:54.680 afraid

00:50:55.040 we

00:50:56.960 have

00:50:57.200 all

00:50:57.640 reveled

00:50:59.120 in

00:50:59.240 the

00:50:59.400 peace

00:50:59.680 dividend

00:51:00.040 over

00:51:01.000 the

00:51:01.180 last

00:51:01.420 30

00:51:01.760 years

00:51:02.220 forgetting

00:51:03.420 that

00:51:04.540 human

00:51:04.860 nature

00:51:05.240 hasn't

00:51:05.640 changed

00:51:06.180 that

00:51:07.520 geopolitics

00:51:09.500 hasn't

00:51:10.220 gone

00:51:10.420 away

00:51:10.900 and

00:51:11.900 that

00:51:12.100 in

00:51:12.720 the

00:51:12.900 end

00:51:13.220 if

00:51:14.820 you

00:51:14.960 want

00:51:15.160 to

00:51:15.240 be

00:51:15.400 free

00:51:15.760 you've

00:51:16.860 got

00:51:17.000 to

00:51:17.080 be

00:51:17.220 prepared

00:51:17.640 to

00:51:18.300 defend

00:51:18.620 your

00:51:18.820 freedom

00:51:19.200 and

00:51:19.940 if

00:51:20.080 you

00:51:20.200 want

00:51:20.500 the

00:51:20.800 world

00:51:21.120 to

00:51:21.380 be

00:51:21.540 just

00:51:22.000 you've

00:51:22.800 got

00:51:22.940 to

00:51:23.040 be

00:51:23.160 prepared

00:51:23.600 to

00:51:23.960 stand

00:51:24.300 up

00:51:24.600 against

00:51:25.300 injustice

00:51:26.560 now

00:51:27.200 hopefully

00:51:28.240 hopefully

00:51:29.400 armed

00:51:31.900 conflict

00:51:32.360 can be

00:51:32.780 avoided

00:51:33.180 because

00:51:34.300 as we

00:51:34.780 are

00:51:34.920 seeing

00:51:35.260 in

00:51:35.620 Ukraine

00:51:35.960 and

00:51:36.300 as

00:51:36.460 we've

00:51:36.680 now

00:51:36.920 seen

00:51:37.320 in

00:51:38.960 Israel

00:51:40.540 and

00:51:40.860 in

00:51:41.040 Gaza

00:51:41.400 the

00:51:43.260 cost

00:51:43.600 is

00:51:43.840 horrific

00:51:44.300 and

00:51:45.680 yet

00:51:45.940 the

00:51:46.960 one

00:51:47.200 thing

00:51:47.580 that

00:51:48.080 invites

00:51:48.540 armed

00:51:48.880 conflict

00:51:49.380 is

00:51:50.200 weakness

00:51:50.680 and

00:51:51.620 there's

00:51:51.800 been

00:51:51.980 too

00:51:52.240 much

00:51:52.480 weakness

00:51:52.880 for

00:51:53.120 too

00:51:53.340 long

00:51:53.620 absolutely

00:51:54.020 we've

00:51:54.320 been

00:51:54.460 signaling

00:51:54.840 weakness

00:51:55.220 sorry

00:51:55.460 Francis

00:51:55.780 go for

00:51:56.120 it

00:51:56.280 yeah

00:51:56.480 and

00:51:56.880 so

00:51:57.920 what

00:51:58.100 would

00:51:58.300 you

00:51:58.480 do

00:51:58.720 Tony

00:51:59.040 because

00:51:59.680 you're

00:51:59.980 the

00:52:00.100 only

00:52:00.280 one

00:52:00.520 in

00:52:00.680 this

00:52:00.860 room

00:52:01.120 who

00:52:01.400 has

00:52:01.620 led

00:52:02.240 a

00:52:02.400 nation

00:52:02.720 what

00:52:03.480 would

00:52:03.740 you

00:52:04.020 do

00:52:04.340 if

00:52:05.180 you

00:52:05.320 were

00:52:05.460 in

00:52:05.640 charge

00:52:06.020 of

00:52:06.620 the

00:52:07.120 United

00:52:07.380 States

00:52:07.880 well

00:52:10.320 I

00:52:10.960 would

00:52:11.120 stop

00:52:11.420 weakening

00:52:11.940 my

00:52:13.100 economy

00:52:13.600 with

00:52:14.480 all

00:52:14.700 these

00:52:15.100 unnecessary

00:52:15.920 green

00:52:16.820 regulations

00:52:17.860 I

00:52:19.680 would

00:52:20.060 accept

00:52:22.820 that

00:52:23.140 at least

00:52:23.640 for the

00:52:23.940 foreseeable

00:52:24.440 future

00:52:24.960 in the

00:52:27.320 absence

00:52:27.600 of going

00:52:28.260 to

00:52:29.000 nuclear

00:52:29.320 power

00:52:29.840 or

00:52:30.440 the

00:52:31.180 as yet

00:52:31.680 entirely

00:52:33.540 unfeasible

00:52:34.560 green

00:52:34.980 hydrogen

00:52:35.420 dream

00:52:35.940 we are

00:52:37.060 going to

00:52:37.300 have to

00:52:37.680 continue

00:52:38.120 to make

00:52:38.560 use of

00:52:39.160 coal

00:52:39.760 and gas

00:52:40.480 so

00:52:41.440 I would

00:52:42.140 stop

00:52:42.600 imposing

00:52:43.300 a whole

00:52:43.920 lot of

00:52:44.240 unnecessary

00:52:44.840 hobbles

00:52:45.500 on my

00:52:45.900 economy

00:52:46.300 I

00:52:48.020 would

00:52:48.200 stop

00:52:48.620 dividing

00:52:49.740 and

00:52:50.200 disconcerting

00:52:50.960 my

00:52:51.460 society

00:52:52.040 through

00:52:53.580 woke

00:52:55.300 education

00:52:56.020 through

00:52:57.580 all

00:52:59.020 sorts

00:52:59.340 of

00:52:59.540 concessions

00:53:00.280 to

00:53:00.700 the

00:53:02.000 gender

00:53:02.280 fluidity

00:53:02.960 ideology

00:53:04.360 and so

00:53:04.900 on

00:53:05.140 and I

00:53:06.760 would

00:53:07.020 build up

00:53:07.920 my

00:53:08.520 defences

00:53:09.040 I

00:53:10.720 mean

00:53:10.920 the

00:53:11.980 American

00:53:12.420 military

00:53:13.960 is

00:53:15.700 smaller

00:53:16.120 than it

00:53:16.460 should

00:53:16.660 be

00:53:17.020 the

00:53:18.280 stocks

00:53:18.680 of

00:53:19.080 munitions

00:53:20.040 are

00:53:20.600 lower

00:53:21.100 than they

00:53:21.480 should

00:53:21.700 be

00:53:22.140 their

00:53:23.740 capacity

00:53:24.300 to build

00:53:24.780 ships

00:53:25.180 and planes

00:53:25.960 is

00:53:26.500 less than

00:53:27.400 it should

00:53:27.740 be

00:53:28.040 and this

00:53:28.640 is all

00:53:28.940 equally

00:53:29.220 true in

00:53:29.700 Britain

00:53:29.960 and

00:53:31.160 it is

00:53:33.980 it's

00:53:37.360 incredibly

00:53:39.320 regrettable

00:53:42.800 that

00:53:43.180 for too

00:53:45.080 long all

00:53:45.520 of us

00:53:45.800 have been

00:53:46.100 sleepwalking

00:53:46.760 through

00:53:46.980 Lotusland

00:53:47.620 I mean

00:53:47.880 I can

00:53:48.140 remember

00:53:48.420 saying

00:53:48.900 to one

00:53:50.060 of my

00:53:50.340 distinguished

00:53:50.800 British

00:53:51.180 conservative

00:53:51.780 counterparts

00:53:52.440 some years

00:53:53.000 ago

00:53:53.340 on this

00:53:55.140 question

00:53:55.560 of

00:53:55.860 Britain

00:53:56.580 spending

00:53:57.360 0.7%

00:53:59.180 of GDP

00:53:59.740 on overseas

00:54:00.360 aid

00:54:00.860 at the

00:54:01.500 same

00:54:01.720 time

00:54:01.980 when it

00:54:02.200 was

00:54:02.320 cutting

00:54:02.600 the

00:54:02.800 military

00:54:03.160 I

00:54:03.920 remember

00:54:04.140 saying

00:54:04.540 to

00:54:04.900 as I

00:54:05.360 said

00:54:05.540 a

00:54:05.760 distinguished

00:54:06.700 counterpart

00:54:07.360 the

00:54:07.620 conservative

00:54:08.060 government

00:54:08.520 surely

00:54:10.000 the best

00:54:11.220 form of

00:54:11.580 foreign aid

00:54:12.020 is the

00:54:12.280 British

00:54:12.480 Army

00:54:12.820 I mean

00:54:13.660 why the 0.51

00:54:14.360 hell 0.99

00:54:14.720 are you 0.97

00:54:15.260 cutting

00:54:15.580 defence

00:54:16.200 and at

00:54:16.840 the same

00:54:17.220 time

00:54:17.620 boosting

00:54:18.480 foreign

00:54:19.180 aid

00:54:19.540 much of

00:54:21.000 which will

00:54:21.320 be wasted

00:54:21.920 much of

00:54:23.140 which will

00:54:23.480 end up

00:54:23.840 in the

00:54:24.100 pockets

00:54:24.440 of corrupt 0.61

00:54:25.060 governments

00:54:26.560 in Africa

00:54:27.860 in particular

00:54:28.580 when you

00:54:29.900 know

00:54:30.360 that if

00:54:31.220 the world

00:54:31.600 is in

00:54:31.940 trouble

00:54:32.320 having

00:54:33.520 a military

00:54:35.100 force

00:54:35.660 that can

00:54:36.220 be deployed

00:54:36.920 to restore

00:54:38.280 order

00:54:38.700 and where

00:54:39.780 needs be

00:54:40.640 instill a bit

00:54:41.840 of respect

00:54:42.540 in dictators

00:54:44.140 and other

00:54:44.760 malefactors

00:54:45.520 that's what

00:54:46.860 you really

00:54:47.220 want

00:54:47.580 Tony do

00:54:48.460 you think

00:54:48.700 we've

00:54:49.100 fundamentally

00:54:50.280 lost

00:54:50.980 what you've

00:54:52.100 just said

00:54:52.700 I've

00:54:53.600 not heard

00:54:54.160 a politician

00:54:54.780 say this

00:54:55.480 you know

00:54:55.880 when you

00:54:56.440 said

00:54:56.760 let's

00:54:58.160 make

00:54:58.400 dictators

00:54:58.940 aware

00:54:59.320 that

00:54:59.540 we're

00:54:59.880 not

00:55:00.020 messing

00:55:00.320 around

00:55:00.740 here

00:55:01.120 I don't

00:55:01.960 hear

00:55:02.120 politicians

00:55:02.580 talk like

00:55:03.140 that

00:55:03.340 anymore

00:55:03.640 and I

00:55:04.260 think

00:55:04.460 we

00:55:04.680 invite

00:55:05.160 all of

00:55:05.640 these

00:55:05.820 challenges

00:55:06.280 to us

00:55:07.260 in this

00:55:07.640 way

00:55:07.940 and

00:55:08.760 Constantine

00:55:09.960 how has

00:55:11.940 Israel

00:55:12.460 survived

00:55:13.040 for so

00:55:13.500 long

00:55:13.880 in a

00:55:15.540 hostile

00:55:16.620 part of

00:55:17.220 the world

00:55:17.600 I mean

00:55:17.880 how have

00:55:18.360 less than

00:55:19.940 10 million

00:55:20.500 Israelis

00:55:21.160 not just

00:55:22.860 survived

00:55:23.320 but flourished

00:55:24.120 and created

00:55:25.180 a highly

00:55:26.600 prosperous

00:55:27.300 free and

00:55:29.820 fair society

00:55:30.660 despite all

00:55:31.660 of the

00:55:31.940 threats

00:55:32.300 the existential

00:55:32.920 threats

00:55:33.580 that they've

00:55:33.980 faced

00:55:34.360 in the

00:55:35.340 midst

00:55:35.680 of

00:55:36.220 the

00:55:37.660 turmoil

00:55:38.240 of

00:55:39.300 the

00:55:39.760 Middle 0.95

00:55:39.980 East

00:55:40.320 they've

00:55:41.980 done so

00:55:43.460 because

00:55:43.860 there's

00:55:44.140 never

00:55:44.300 been

00:55:44.480 any

00:55:44.760 doubt

00:55:45.320 about

00:55:45.600 the

00:55:45.780 national

00:55:46.060 project

00:55:46.660 which

00:55:47.580 is

00:55:47.960 to

00:55:48.660 create

00:55:49.120 an

00:55:50.680 absolutely

00:55:51.260 secure

00:55:51.940 and

00:55:52.260 inviolable

00:55:53.000 homeland

00:55:54.260 for the

00:55:54.780 Jewish

00:55:55.020 people

00:55:55.500 where

00:55:56.300 others

00:55:56.860 who are

00:55:58.320 prepared

00:55:58.720 to

00:55:59.160 accept

00:55:59.760 the

00:55:59.980 law

00:56:00.220 can

00:56:00.700 also

00:56:01.160 have

00:56:02.000 a

00:56:02.100 very

00:56:02.280 good

00:56:02.520 life

00:56:02.920 and

00:56:03.260 a

00:56:03.400 free

00:56:03.580 life

00:56:03.980 but

00:56:04.880 at

00:56:06.180 the

00:56:06.360 heart

00:56:06.620 of

00:56:06.840 Israel's 0.75

00:56:07.680 success

00:56:08.200 and

00:56:09.000 survival

00:56:09.520 has

00:56:10.400 been

00:56:10.760 this

00:56:11.600 notion

00:56:13.260 that

00:56:13.720 if

00:56:14.780 someone

00:56:15.140 does

00:56:15.480 something

00:56:15.860 bad

00:56:16.160 to

00:56:16.360 us

00:56:16.720 we

00:56:18.220 don't

00:56:18.480 just

00:56:18.680 take

00:56:18.960 it

00:56:19.060 on

00:56:19.220 the

00:56:19.860 chin

00:56:20.180 we

00:56:21.860 give

00:56:22.040 it

00:56:22.160 back

00:56:22.380 to

00:56:22.540 them

00:56:22.760 you 0.99

00:56:23.480 punch 0.99

00:56:23.840 me 0.95

00:56:24.120 I 0.99

00:56:24.440 punch 1.00

00:56:24.760 you 0.99

00:56:24.920 back

00:56:25.240 you 0.98

00:56:25.420 punch 0.99

00:56:25.680 me 0.88

00:56:25.860 again

00:56:26.140 I 0.94

00:56:26.340 punch 1.00

00:56:26.640 you 0.99

00:56:26.780 back

00:56:27.000 much

00:56:27.280 harder

00:56:27.640 you

00:56:28.540 punch 0.99

00:56:28.860 me 0.97

00:56:29.060 three

00:56:29.320 times

00:56:29.820 and

00:56:30.980 frankly

00:56:31.400 I

00:56:32.660 knock 0.99

00:56:32.940 you 0.99

00:56:33.100 out

00:56:33.420 I

00:56:33.760 mean

00:56:33.940 this

00:56:34.760 has

00:56:34.940 been

00:56:35.260 their

00:56:35.940 their

00:56:37.080 approach

00:56:37.640 and

00:56:38.220 I

00:56:41.060 mean

00:56:41.220 this

00:56:42.340 is

00:56:42.480 where

00:56:42.640 there

00:56:42.780 is

00:56:42.860 a

00:56:43.020 fundamental

00:56:43.360 difference

00:56:44.040 between

00:56:45.240 the

00:56:46.540 necessities

00:56:47.120 of

00:56:47.340 government

00:56:47.740 and

00:56:49.060 if you

00:56:49.500 like

00:56:49.820 the

00:56:50.080 desiderata

00:56:50.780 of

00:56:51.000 moral

00:56:51.280 theology

00:56:51.820 one of

00:56:52.740 the

00:56:52.860 reasons

00:56:53.180 why

00:56:53.460 moral

00:56:53.820 theologians

00:56:54.540 don't

00:56:54.840 normally

00:56:55.140 make

00:56:55.480 a

00:56:56.360 good

00:56:56.540 statesman

00:56:57.160 is

00:56:57.480 because

00:56:57.940 the

00:56:58.840 good

00:56:59.040 Lord

00:56:59.300 commands

00:56:59.800 us

00:57:00.000 to

00:57:00.180 love

00:57:00.560 but

00:57:01.940 the

00:57:02.120 reality

00:57:02.540 of

00:57:02.920 government

00:57:03.300 is

00:57:03.820 that

00:57:04.700 we

00:57:04.900 have

00:57:05.100 got

00:57:05.360 to

00:57:05.620 be

00:57:05.800 just

00:57:06.360 and

00:57:07.640 justice

00:57:08.100 and

00:57:08.420 charity

00:57:08.840 are

00:57:09.460 not

00:57:09.720 the

00:57:10.260 same

00:57:10.540 thing

00:57:10.960 if

00:57:12.420 private

00:57:12.840 citizens

00:57:13.320 want to

00:57:13.680 exercise

00:57:14.000 charity

00:57:14.680 that's

00:57:15.920 a

00:57:16.040 wonderful

00:57:16.360 thing

00:57:16.820 and

00:57:17.980 God

00:57:18.220 bless

00:57:18.500 them

00:57:18.680 for

00:57:18.860 that

00:57:19.140 but

00:57:20.100 the

00:57:20.280 obligation

00:57:20.840 on

00:57:21.800 government

00:57:22.240 is

00:57:23.100 to

00:57:23.240 be

00:57:23.420 just

00:57:23.840 and

00:57:24.760 the

00:57:25.560 ultimate

00:57:25.920 just

00:57:26.440 government

00:57:27.020 is

00:57:28.040 a

00:57:28.180 government

00:57:28.520 which

00:57:29.340 quite

00:57:29.800 properly

00:57:30.300 and

00:57:30.600 fiercely

00:57:31.040 protects

00:57:31.720 its

00:57:32.180 citizens

00:57:32.700 against

00:57:33.260 all

00:57:33.520 their

00:57:33.660 enemies

00:57:34.020 Tony

00:57:35.200 I'm

00:57:36.260 going to

00:57:36.460 ask

00:57:36.700 you

00:57:36.800 a

00:57:36.960 question

00:57:37.280 which

00:57:37.620 again

00:57:38.660 it's

00:57:38.940 on

00:57:39.060 the

00:57:39.200 China

00:57:39.480 thing

00:57:39.840 it may

00:57:41.000 seem

00:57:41.260 to be

00:57:41.500 quite

00:57:41.700 unfair

00:57:41.980 but

00:57:42.180 I

00:57:42.340 really

00:57:42.960 think

00:57:44.040 I'm

00:57:44.300 because

00:57:44.560 I'm

00:57:44.800 actually

00:57:45.020 really

00:57:45.240 worried

00:57:45.480 about

00:57:45.700 this

00:57:45.960 do

00:57:46.520 you

00:57:46.720 think

00:57:47.100 that

00:57:47.280 this

00:57:47.580 is

00:57:48.160 almost

00:57:48.760 inevitable

00:57:49.320 that

00:57:50.880 they're

00:57:51.120 going

00:57:51.220 to

00:57:51.340 invade

00:57:51.720 because

00:57:52.160 if

00:57:52.420 you

00:57:52.600 look

00:57:53.000 at

00:57:53.260 the

00:57:53.420 way

00:57:53.640 things

00:57:54.000 are

00:57:54.160 going

00:57:54.420 if

00:57:55.160 you

00:57:55.380 look

00:57:55.780 it

00:57:56.300 seems

00:57:56.680 to

00:57:56.860 me

00:57:57.020 it's

00:57:57.560 the

00:57:57.680 next

00:57:57.880 logical

00:57:58.300 step

00:57:58.740 isn't

00:57:59.000 it

00:57:59.220 no

00:58:00.600 it's

00:58:00.860 not

00:58:01.020 inevitable

00:58:01.420 for

00:58:01.820 instance

00:58:02.200 the

00:58:03.360 rulers

00:58:03.640 of

00:58:03.880 the

00:58:04.260 rulers

00:58:04.540 of

00:58:04.780 Beijing

00:58:05.300 they're

00:58:08.460 not

00:58:08.600 a

00:58:08.740 death

00:58:08.960 cult

00:58:09.300 they're

00:58:10.140 not

00:58:10.300 like

00:58:10.540 Hamas 0.96

00:58:11.040 they

00:58:13.300 are

00:58:13.760 cruel

00:58:14.480 and

00:58:15.900 they

00:58:16.080 are

00:58:16.260 focused

00:58:16.800 but

00:58:19.160 they're

00:58:19.360 not

00:58:19.540 crazy

00:58:20.000 and 0.99

00:58:21.120 they

00:58:22.580 will

00:58:22.940 do

00:58:23.900 a

00:58:24.060 calculus

00:58:24.460 and

00:58:25.720 if

00:58:25.880 they

00:58:26.100 think

00:58:26.520 that

00:58:27.580 the

00:58:28.500 cost

00:58:29.820 of

00:58:30.100 aggression

00:58:30.620 across

00:58:31.000 the

00:58:31.260 straits

00:58:31.680 is

00:58:32.940 too

00:58:33.200 high

00:58:33.580 then

00:58:34.620 in

00:58:34.780 the

00:58:34.900 end

00:58:35.100 it

00:58:35.220 will

00:58:35.340 bring

00:58:35.600 them

00:58:35.820 undone

00:58:36.280 they

00:58:36.680 won't

00:58:36.980 do

00:58:37.200 it

00:58:37.400 if

00:58:39.560 they

00:58:39.740 think

00:58:40.080 they

00:58:40.300 can

00:58:40.480 readily

00:58:40.800 win

00:58:41.260 well

00:58:42.200 then

00:58:42.400 at

00:58:42.560 some

00:58:42.800 point

00:58:43.060 they

00:58:43.280 will

00:58:43.600 and

00:58:44.180 that's

00:58:44.780 why

00:58:45.140 the

00:58:46.080 important

00:58:46.520 thing

00:58:46.940 is

00:58:47.760 to

00:58:48.140 make

00:58:48.880 crystal

00:58:49.420 clear

00:58:49.900 to

00:58:50.420 the

00:58:50.560 commissars

00:58:51.100 in

00:58:51.340 Beijing

00:58:51.720 that

00:58:52.680 any

00:58:54.240 assault

00:58:54.920 across

00:58:55.860 the

00:58:56.120 straits

00:58:56.560 will

00:58:57.460 have

00:58:57.660 incalculable

00:58:58.420 consequences

00:58:59.720 and

00:59:01.260 you

00:59:02.180 say

00:59:02.480 they're

00:59:02.680 not

00:59:02.820 a

00:59:02.960 death

00:59:03.160 cult

00:59:03.460 which

00:59:03.940 is

00:59:04.400 obviously

00:59:05.040 very

00:59:05.360 reassuring

00:59:06.100 but

00:59:06.860 I

00:59:07.040 think

00:59:07.180 the

00:59:07.340 problem

00:59:07.640 is

00:59:07.900 and

00:59:08.000 it's

00:59:08.140 something

00:59:08.280 we

00:59:08.480 talk

00:59:08.780 about

00:59:09.000 on

00:59:09.120 this

00:59:09.260 show

00:59:09.460 a lot

00:59:09.800 is

00:59:10.320 that

00:59:10.560 when

00:59:10.960 we

00:59:11.140 talk

00:59:11.400 about

00:59:11.640 other

00:59:11.980 cultures

00:59:12.460 we

00:59:13.340 think

00:59:13.800 they're

00:59:14.160 like

00:59:14.400 us

00:59:14.680 they

00:59:14.860 see

00:59:15.120 the

00:59:15.300 world

00:59:15.500 the

00:59:15.720 same

00:59:15.940 way

00:59:16.160 when

00:59:16.740 different

00:59:17.240 cultures

00:59:17.860 have

00:59:18.300 different

00:59:18.660 ways

00:59:18.940 of

00:59:19.100 living

00:59:19.360 they

00:59:19.600 have

00:59:19.780 different

00:59:20.140 values

00:59:20.660 yes

00:59:21.040 correct

00:59:24.240 you

00:59:25.820 look

00:59:26.280 at

00:59:26.520 Hamas 0.96

00:59:27.900 and

00:59:28.180 you

00:59:29.020 look

00:59:29.320 at

00:59:29.860 Islamic

00:59:30.740 state

00:59:31.200 that

00:59:31.420 was

00:59:31.800 they

00:59:33.400 are

00:59:33.600 essentially

00:59:34.040 a

00:59:34.280 death

00:59:34.480 cult

00:59:34.820 they

00:59:36.220 think

00:59:36.620 that

00:59:37.140 if

00:59:38.040 they

00:59:38.220 can 0.99

00:59:38.520 kill

00:59:39.800 in 0.99

00:59:40.240 the

00:59:40.380 name

00:59:40.580 of

00:59:40.860 their

00:59:41.320 version

00:59:41.740 of

00:59:42.080 Islam

00:59:43.100 that's

00:59:44.900 the

00:59:45.100 highest

00:59:45.400 purpose

00:59:45.820 in

00:59:46.060 life

00:59:46.440 Putin

00:59:48.560 is

00:59:48.720 not

00:59:48.940 quite

00:59:49.560 like

00:59:49.840 that

00:59:50.100 and

00:59:50.340 nor

00:59:50.920 are

00:59:51.140 the

00:59:51.320 commissars

00:59:52.120 in

00:59:52.320 Beijing

00:59:52.680 what

00:59:54.040 they're

00:59:54.360 looking

00:59:54.620 at

00:59:54.940 is

00:59:55.760 national

00:59:57.340 aggrandizement

00:59:57.960 effectively

00:59:58.500 so

00:59:59.860 they're

01:00:01.760 cruel

01:00:02.100 they're

01:00:04.140 brutal

01:00:04.460 sometimes

01:00:06.020 they do

01:00:06.800 evil

01:00:07.240 things

01:00:07.760 as

01:00:08.200 Putin

01:00:08.700 is

01:00:08.900 now

01:00:09.120 doing

01:00:09.440 in

01:00:09.760 Ukraine

01:00:10.200 but

01:00:11.540 they're

01:00:11.740 not

01:00:11.920 irrational

01:00:12.440 it's

01:00:13.260 just

01:00:13.460 that

01:00:13.700 their

01:00:14.260 rationality

01:00:14.960 is

01:00:15.120 very

01:00:15.340 different

01:00:15.640 from

01:00:15.900 ours

01:00:16.300 a

01:00:17.360 British

01:00:17.620 government

01:00:18.060 thinks

01:00:19.020 how

01:00:19.720 can

01:00:19.900 I

01:00:20.120 get

01:00:21.180 re-elected

01:00:21.820 by

01:00:22.060 making

01:00:22.380 the

01:00:22.580 lives

01:00:22.900 of

01:00:23.040 the

01:00:23.180 British

01:00:23.380 people

01:00:23.760 better

01:00:24.120 how

01:00:24.940 can

01:00:25.100 I

01:00:25.320 run

01:00:26.280 better

01:00:26.540 hospitals

01:00:27.040 how

01:00:27.380 can

01:00:27.520 I

01:00:27.660 build

01:00:27.920 more

01:00:28.180 roads

01:00:28.640 how

01:00:28.940 can

01:00:29.100 I

01:00:29.300 increase

01:00:30.320 prosperity

01:00:30.940 that's

01:00:31.600 what

01:00:32.100 a

01:00:32.240 British

01:00:32.440 government

01:00:32.820 is

01:00:33.060 mostly

01:00:33.420 thinking

01:00:33.800 about

01:00:34.200 but

01:00:35.500 Putin

01:00:35.920 is

01:00:36.160 mostly

01:00:36.500 thinking

01:00:36.880 about

01:00:37.240 how

01:00:37.540 do

01:00:37.680 I

01:00:37.800 restore

01:00:38.120 the

01:00:38.280 Russia

01:00:38.520 of

01:00:38.740 Peter

01:00:38.940 the

01:00:39.100 Great

01:00:39.360 and

01:00:40.340 Xi

01:00:40.540 Jinping 0.99

01:00:40.860 is

01:00:41.220 mostly

01:00:41.540 thinking

01:00:41.920 about

01:00:42.280 how

01:00:43.000 do

01:00:43.140 I

01:00:43.280 make

01:00:43.560 China

01:00:43.960 as

01:00:44.260 soon

01:00:44.440 as

01:00:44.600 possible

01:00:44.980 the

01:00:45.200 world's

01:00:45.500 number

01:00:45.700 one

01:00:45.940 power

01:00:46.340 now

01:00:47.180 their

01:00:49.020 way

01:00:49.240 of

01:00:49.400 thinking

01:00:49.640 is

01:00:49.840 different

01:00:50.160 from

01:00:50.400 ours

01:00:50.680 and

01:00:50.780 we

01:00:50.880 need

01:00:51.060 to

01:00:51.180 understand

01:00:51.580 that

01:00:52.040 and

01:00:52.820 we

01:00:52.960 need

01:00:53.180 to

01:00:53.380 tailor

01:00:53.720 our

01:00:54.060 responses

01:00:54.560 to

01:00:54.820 them

01:00:55.080 in

01:00:55.440 the

01:00:55.620 light

01:00:55.960 of

01:00:56.320 what

01:00:56.500 they

01:00:56.720 are

01:00:56.880 like

01:00:57.280 rather

01:00:58.040 than

01:00:58.640 assuming

01:00:59.480 that

01:00:59.760 they're

01:00:59.980 just

01:01:00.180 like

01:01:00.460 us

01:01:00.740 and

01:01:00.900 this

01:01:01.100 has

01:01:01.300 been

01:01:01.480 the

01:01:01.680 problem

01:01:02.080 ever

01:01:03.140 since

01:01:03.460 the

01:01:03.660 fall

01:01:03.880 of

01:01:04.000 the

01:01:04.140 Berlin

01:01:04.440 Wall

01:01:04.880 and

01:01:05.600 the

01:01:05.760 so-called

01:01:06.260 end

01:01:06.840 of

01:01:07.020 history

01:01:07.420 and

01:01:08.260 the

01:01:08.420 so-called

01:01:08.900 forever

01:01:09.280 triumph

01:01:09.800 of

01:01:10.100 liberal

01:01:11.220 market

01:01:12.200 capitalism

01:01:12.860 we

01:01:14.100 have

01:01:14.320 assumed

01:01:14.860 that

01:01:15.360 there

01:01:15.580 is

01:01:15.760 this

01:01:16.060 convergence

01:01:16.980 we

01:01:20.200 were

01:01:20.480 if I

01:01:21.120 may say

01:01:21.580 so

01:01:22.660 fooling

01:01:23.100 ourselves

01:01:23.540 and

01:01:23.980 look

01:01:24.180 to

01:01:25.640 some

01:01:25.900 extent

01:01:26.380 I

01:01:27.980 was

01:01:28.260 part

01:01:28.680 of

01:01:28.800 that

01:01:29.040 self

01:01:29.560 delusion

01:01:30.060 I

01:01:30.440 mean

01:01:30.560 I

01:01:30.740 did

01:01:30.900 a

01:01:31.080 free

01:01:31.300 trade

01:01:31.600 deal

01:01:31.840 with

01:01:32.020 China

01:01:32.360 back

01:01:32.620 in

01:01:32.780 2014

01:01:33.280 because

01:01:34.740 back

01:01:35.460 then

01:01:35.740 it

01:01:35.900 was

01:01:36.160 still

01:01:37.000 possible

01:01:37.480 to

01:01:37.720 believe

01:01:38.160 that

01:01:38.460 China's 0.76

01:01:39.520 economic

01:01:40.080 liberalisation

01:01:40.960 was being

01:01:41.560 accompanied

01:01:41.980 by a

01:01:42.420 degree

01:01:42.700 of

01:01:42.920 political

01:01:43.280 liberalisation

01:01:44.120 and

01:01:44.420 over

01:01:45.200 time

01:01:45.680 that

01:01:46.520 would

01:01:46.700 produce

01:01:47.260 a

01:01:47.940 markedly

01:01:48.460 different

01:01:48.840 and

01:01:49.140 much

01:01:49.380 less

01:01:49.620 aggressive

01:01:50.040 China

01:01:51.040 so

01:01:52.020 look

01:01:52.360 we

01:01:53.300 were

01:01:53.520 all

01:01:53.940 gulled

01:01:55.300 a bit

01:01:55.840 we

01:01:56.700 all

01:01:56.980 wanted

01:01:57.320 to

01:01:57.580 believe

01:01:58.020 the

01:01:58.420 best

01:01:58.780 not

01:01:59.240 the

01:01:59.460 worst

01:01:59.840 we've

01:02:00.780 had

01:02:01.040 one

01:02:01.540 hell

01:02:01.740 of a

01:02:01.980 wake

01:02:02.200 up

01:02:02.360 call

01:02:02.740 and

01:02:03.800 though

01:02:04.900 the

01:02:05.460 hour

01:02:05.800 is

01:02:06.140 late

01:02:06.500 we

01:02:07.260 need

01:02:07.540 to

01:02:07.940 be

01:02:08.860 stronger

01:02:09.460 better

01:02:10.620 and

01:02:12.320 more

01:02:12.580 realistic

01:02:13.040 in

01:02:13.980 the

01:02:14.120 coming

01:02:14.400 years

01:02:14.840 than

01:02:15.040 we've

01:02:15.260 been

01:02:15.420 in

01:02:15.560 the

01:02:15.660 recent

01:02:15.900 past

01:02:16.440 Tony

01:02:16.980 Albert

01:02:17.140 it's

01:02:17.400 been

01:02:17.560 a

01:02:17.720 pleasure

01:02:17.920 we've

01:02:18.180 got a

01:02:18.460 few

01:02:18.640 minutes

01:02:18.920 which

01:02:19.140 we'll

01:02:19.320 spend

01:02:19.680 with

01:02:19.960 our

01:02:20.160 supporters

01:02:20.600 on

01:02:20.840 locals

01:02:21.260 with

01:02:21.800 you

01:02:21.940 answering

01:02:22.280 their

01:02:22.500 questions

01:02:22.920 before

01:02:23.560 we

01:02:23.760 head

01:02:23.880 over

01:02:24.080 there

01:02:24.360 what

01:02:25.400 is

01:02:25.540 the

01:02:25.640 one

01:02:25.800 thing

01:02:26.040 that

01:02:26.180 we're

01:02:26.360 not

01:02:26.600 talking

01:02:26.960 about

01:02:27.280 that

01:02:27.460 you

01:02:27.580 think

01:02:27.780 we

01:02:27.900 really

01:02:28.080 should

01:02:28.280 be

01:02:28.500 well

01:02:29.080 the

01:02:29.200 one

01:02:29.400 thing

01:02:29.620 that

01:02:29.760 I'd

01:02:29.960 probably

01:02:30.180 like

01:02:30.440 to

01:02:30.600 say

01:02:30.960 to

01:02:33.300 a

01:02:33.820 British

01:02:34.020 audience

01:02:34.480 in

01:02:34.700 particular

01:02:35.200 is

01:02:36.520 believe

01:02:36.920 in

01:02:37.060 yourselves

01:02:37.560 believe

01:02:38.520 in

01:02:38.720 yourselves

01:02:39.220 I've

01:02:40.920 always

01:02:41.520 been an

01:02:41.920 incorrigible

01:02:42.500 Anglophile

01:02:43.080 because

01:02:44.740 no

01:02:45.620 country

01:02:46.000 on

01:02:46.240 earth

01:02:46.620 has

01:02:47.260 had

01:02:48.700 more

01:02:48.900 impact

01:02:49.260 on the

01:02:49.560 modern

01:02:49.800 world

01:02:50.180 than

01:02:50.400 this

01:02:50.580 one

01:02:50.900 when

01:02:51.720 you

01:02:51.860 think

01:02:52.080 of

01:02:52.220 the

01:02:52.360 world's

01:02:52.740 common

01:02:53.000 language

01:02:53.480 the

01:02:54.480 mother

01:02:54.740 of

01:02:54.980 parliaments

01:02:55.520 the

01:02:56.420 industrial

01:02:56.860 revolution

01:02:57.560 the

01:02:58.400 emancipation

01:02:59.180 of

01:02:59.320 minorities

01:02:59.840 all

01:03:00.800 of

01:03:00.980 that

01:03:01.280 began

01:03:02.500 here

01:03:03.120 and

01:03:03.780 spread

01:03:04.220 from

01:03:04.520 here

01:03:04.920 to

01:03:06.100 just

01:03:06.380 about

01:03:06.620 the

01:03:06.820 whole

01:03:07.020 of

01:03:07.160 the

01:03:07.300 globe

01:03:07.620 even

01:03:08.280 our

01:03:08.500 adversaries

01:03:09.140 have

01:03:09.800 been

01:03:10.120 very

01:03:10.800 much

01:03:11.180 influenced

01:03:11.920 and

01:03:12.240 shaped

01:03:12.640 by

01:03:13.680 the

01:03:13.880 ideas

01:03:14.540 and

01:03:16.220 the

01:03:16.380 innovations

01:03:16.900 that

01:03:17.720 have

01:03:17.860 come

01:03:18.740 from

01:03:18.960 this

01:03:19.160 country

01:03:19.520 and

01:03:20.480 yet

01:03:20.660 for

01:03:20.820 the

01:03:20.940 last

01:03:21.280 almost

01:03:22.620 the

01:03:22.840 last

01:03:23.060 century

01:03:23.480 at

01:03:24.600 the

01:03:24.780 pinnacle

01:03:25.100 of

01:03:25.340 the

01:03:25.500 British

01:03:25.700 establishment

01:03:26.320 there's

01:03:26.760 been

01:03:26.960 this

01:03:27.200 declinism

01:03:27.880 and

01:03:28.100 defeatism

01:03:28.720 get

01:03:29.420 it

01:03:29.920 out

01:03:30.380 of

01:03:30.900 your

01:03:31.220 heads

01:03:31.780 please

01:03:32.780 believe

01:03:33.220 in

01:03:33.400 yourselves

01:03:33.840 because

01:03:34.420 if we

01:03:35.820 want

01:03:36.100 the

01:03:36.320 modern

01:03:36.560 world

01:03:36.940 to

01:03:37.200 flourish

01:03:37.640 it's

01:03:38.320 important

01:03:38.780 that

01:03:39.100 Britain

01:03:39.380 be

01:03:39.640 as

01:03:39.800 strong

01:03:40.120 and

01:03:40.260 as

01:03:40.400 self

01:03:40.620 confident

01:03:41.020 as

01:03:41.280 possible

01:03:41.680 Amen

01:03:42.240 Alright

01:03:43.220 guys

01:03:43.560 head

01:03:43.780 on over

01:03:44.080 to

01:03:44.260 locals

01:03:44.580 where

01:03:44.780 we're

01:03:44.960 going

01:03:45.040 to

01:03:45.160 put

01:03:45.320 your

01:03:45.600 questions

01:03:46.040 to

01:03:46.240 Tony

01:03:46.480 Abbott

01:03:46.740 We

01:03:48.700 fixed

01:03:49.020 this

01:03:49.240 problem

01:03:49.520 in

01:03:49.700 fact

01:03:49.840 we

01:03:50.020 are

01:03:50.140 the

01:03:50.280 only

01:03:50.560 country

01:03:51.080 to

01:03:52.120 successfully

01:03:53.300 in

01:03:53.720 recent

01:03:54.040 times

01:03:54.620 halt

01:03:55.420 a

01:03:56.860 large

01:03:57.240 wave

01:03:57.620 of

01:03:57.820 illegal

01:03:58.300 immigration

01:03:58.900 by

01:03:59.780 small

01:04:00.100 boat

01:04:00.400 first

01:04:01.480 of all

01:04:01.860 we

01:04:02.280 established

01:04:02.760 a

01:04:02.980 unified

01:04:03.420 change

01:04:04.040 broadway

01:04:13.680 smash

01:04:14.340 hit

01:04:14.700 the

01:04:14.940 Neil

01:04:15.180 Diamond

01:04:15.480 musical

01:04:16.000 a

01:04:16.440 beautiful

01:04:16.880 noise

01:04:17.520 is

01:04:17.920 coming

01:04:18.220 to

01:04:18.440 Toronto

01:04:18.840 the

01:04:19.220 true

01:04:19.480 story

01:04:19.880 of

01:04:20.020 a

01:04:20.160 kid

01:04:20.360 from

01:04:20.580 Brooklyn

01:04:20.940 destined

01:04:21.460 for

01:04:21.700 something

01:04:22.060 more

01:04:22.480 featuring

01:04:22.900 all

01:04:23.160 the

01:04:23.360 songs

01:04:23.620 you

01:04:23.840 love

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TRIGGERnometry - November 29, 2023

Tony Abbott： We Stopped Illegal Immigration!

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