TRIGGERnometry - ＂Trans Issues Affect EVERYBODY＂ - Arielle Scarcella

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissin.

00:00:09.260 And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:00:14.700 Our brilliant guest today is a YouTuber, Arielle Scarcella. Welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:19.460 What up? How are you guys over there in the UK?

00:00:22.380 We're locked down. We are keeping at a safe distance from each other.

00:00:27.100 but before we get into all of that for anyone who doesn't know who you are just tell everybody

00:00:32.080 who are you what has been your journey through life that leads you to being on trigonometry in

00:00:37.080 this very remote and distant way oh wow interesting um i well i came out as a lesbian at 19 and that

00:00:45.240 is why you're here that's why i'm here because a lot of your guys a lot of your viewers are

00:00:49.480 probably straight men who love lesbians i don't know your viewership but i'm assuming that's what

00:00:53.380 um and and you know what the straight guys have been nothing but but but gracious and and really

00:00:59.140 sweet to me so it's like I joke a lot about like oh straight men but like literally I've never had

00:01:03.460 a problem with them um personally yeah but I came out when I was 19 um I started making content on

00:01:10.460 YouTube about being a lesbian when I was 23 and my content has changed I wouldn't say dramatically

00:01:17.060 but politically it's changed a little you know quite a bit and it's it's it's gotten to the

00:01:22.220 point where i you know i i stir up some drama and you know there's some there's some tea being

00:01:26.920 spilled um but i think it's because i'm i'm the one open you know out lesbian on on youtube that 0.98

00:01:33.600 you know calls out bullshit honestly that will call out the bullshit of of the the progressive 0.98

00:01:39.980 left or of the right but like i've never had an issue with the right so i haven't had to call 0.98

00:01:43.680 anybody out unless it's religious people then i'm just like it's not even worth my time you know um 1.00

00:01:48.500 because they're allowed to believe whatever the hell they believe as long as they're not infringing

00:01:51.700 upon my right fine um yeah and I I came out with a video um about two months ago about leaving uh

00:02:01.680 the progressive left I never officially came out as conservative because I don't think I'm fully

00:02:05.960 conservative I think I'm like somewhere in the middle um and I've I've yeah a lot of a lot of

00:02:12.440 more conservative or right-wing channels or even libertarian channels have been asking for my

00:02:16.920 opinions on lgbt topics because i feel like i'm kind of an expert at this point a few weeks ago

00:02:25.000 um a lot of our fans started clamoring for us to talk to you and i think your your youtube channel

00:02:30.140 has been completely demonetized is that right it was up until like yesterday it was it was

00:02:35.800 demonetized for five weeks yeah okay so it's gonna take some time since they they re-monetized me but

00:02:41.660 i had to change a whole bunch of stuff like unfortunately yeah they and it's funny because

00:02:46.700 a lot of people were like arielle's been making the same content literally for 10 years and and

00:02:51.540 apparently they they demonetized me for having sexually explicit content i've been posting the

00:02:56.560 same type of videos for 10 years so how come as soon as i came out as non-progressive all of a

00:03:02.380 sudden it's just like and and again like people rally behind me and um and i like the you know

00:03:10.580 the progressive the progressive i'll just call them the woke left from now on just so you guys

00:03:14.000 because i don't want to keep saying progressive it's annoying but the woke you know the woke left

00:03:17.420 likes to hate on cis straight heterosexual white men and it's like the people that actually

00:03:24.340 donated to my patreon were cis straight white white white men nine out of ten times it was

00:03:32.300 those types of people that were being supportive so i think a lot of these people are misunderstood

00:03:36.220 um i think i think the far left you know finds it easier these days to just hate on somebody for

00:03:44.980 who they are not what they believe you know like oh you're you're a man you can't you don't have

00:03:49.680 a say or you're you're this you don't have a say or you're you're cis you can't you can't talk on 0.84

00:03:53.860 trans topics and it's like why can't everybody talk about every topic and if it affects them

00:03:58.640 in some way you know what i'm saying like if i'm not going to talk about like gay men issues i have

00:04:04.380 No, it doesn't affect me in any sense of the word, but trans issues do affect everybody

00:04:09.660 because it's changing the definitions of the word man and woman.

00:04:13.320 That affects everybody alive.

00:04:15.460 I think everybody should have a part of the conversation, you know, and I don't think

00:04:19.240 I don't think I've seen that many people that are actually hateful about it.

00:04:22.700 They're just cautious or curious or worried.

00:04:26.300 I haven't seen that many hateful people personally.

00:04:29.340 And Ariel, so you touched on the whole trans issue.

00:04:32.900 Now, I've got a couple of mates who are gay women, and they are, to use, how can I put 0.97

00:04:38.540 this, correct terminology, absolutely fucking livid at what is happening, in particular 0.98

00:04:45.640 what is happening to women's spaces. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Can you touch on, particularly, why is this such an emotive subject for you, and why is

00:04:53.020 it so important for you?

00:04:55.140 Well, first of all, it's gotten to the point where even this week is Lesbian Visibility 0.79

00:05:00.700 Week.

00:05:01.020 and um i think it's diva magazine which is in the uk um it's like the one lesbian magazine over

00:05:07.940 there i think or it's like there's like two lesbian magazines in the whole world and that's 1.00

00:05:11.180 one of them and um because we're a very like underrepresented underrepresented community

00:05:17.140 right the trans depends on the genre i have to say that's true you're right i know are we allowed 0.96

00:05:22.200 to curse like when when you talk when you get porn i mean lesbian porn is one of the most watched 0.76

00:05:28.380 right um but yeah it's gotten to the point where i was just having a conversation with my friend 0.81

00:05:32.700 mars who's a trans guy and we were talking about the uh lesbian visibility week it's i mean it's

00:05:40.140 a made-up holiday like we i i did a whole series of videos years ago and people believed me i would

00:05:44.240 just make up fake lgbt holidays and people were like yay let's celebrate and i'm like i just made

00:05:47.960 this up i mean it's a made-up holiday for it it has good intentions obviously right lesbian 0.98

00:05:53.380 invisibility week but they have you know a trans woman and i'm not saying trans women can't be 0.84

00:05:58.780 socially lesbians right but the person that they're featuring has only been out for a few 1.00

00:06:03.580 years and they're in their 50s like you live the majority of your life as a heterosexual man maybe

00:06:09.000 we shouldn't you know take the one week or the one day i think which is actually tomorrow it might be

00:06:15.380 the 26th lesbian visibility day officially might be the 26th why are we constantly prop you know 1.00

00:06:22.720 propping up trans women that identify as lesbians and not females you know like it's it i don't i

00:06:30.960 don't know how to explain this but it's like i've never people call me transphobic for for saying

00:06:37.680 trans women can't be lesbians i've never actually said that because i think there is a social aspect

00:06:42.060 to to gayness right like if you appear you're like you know like drag queen goes out in public 0.51

00:06:48.320 and passes as a woman, she's not going to experience homophobia. You know what I mean?

00:06:53.300 Like in that moment. So there is a cultural aspect to it. So even if you identify as a woman

00:06:58.340 gender-wise in your brain, whatever that means, right? There has been proof that trans women 1.00

00:07:03.880 have, there's a part of their brain that looks more similar to somebody like myself.

00:07:10.520 You're not going to know what it's like to live and be seen as a woman until you stop looking 0.99

00:07:16.740 like a man like that's just how it is you know what i mean and like that's unfortunate but

00:07:20.740 you can't see in somebody's inside somebody's brain um and it's impossible to know how somebody

00:07:26.120 identifies until you ask them and even then most of the time people lie because they're ashamed 0.99

00:07:29.520 which is also shit um but yeah like the taking over female spaces it's a real thing that's 1.00

00:07:35.860 happening and a lot of people are like oh that doesn't even happen that often i don't care if 0.98

00:07:39.140 it happens one time it's something you need to talk about because if it happens one time and

00:07:42.580 people think it's okay. It's going to happen. It's going to happen more and more and more and

00:07:45.860 more. Um, you know, from, from, from trans women, it's, you know what the funny thing is, it's not 1.00

00:07:52.300 even that many actual trans women. It's most of these very young, very hip, woke queer kids, 0.78

00:07:59.860 you know, that, that are somewhere like in the, we hold them the alphabet people. They're probably

00:08:04.180 not even LGBT. They're like, they're like queer or like non-binary or some other made up gender. 1.00

00:08:08.940 and they're like trans women are women if you don't want to suck a dick you know you're you're 1.00

00:08:13.200 you're you're a transphobe you're a transphobic a horrible person you know and this these are 1.00

00:08:17.860 like literally you can go on tumblr you can go on twitter you can go on instagram this is these 0.80

00:08:23.020 are real things like turf is a slur go on that website turf is a slur.com people like that's a

00:08:27.360 transphobe website i'm like no it's not it's a real thing and people just documenting what people

00:08:32.060 are saying what what you know queer activists are saying to to lesbians and it's just now starting

00:08:38.020 to make its way into the gay community but it doesn't happen nearly as often because gay men

00:08:43.100 are men right one thing i've noticed as well is with i've spoken to a few of my friends who are

00:08:50.420 gay and one of the things they've said and that makes them very concerned about some of the stuff

00:08:55.800 around the trans issue is that they feel like because a lot of them were gender non-conforming

00:09:01.960 as children they may well have ended up being categorized and encouraged into being trans

00:09:09.320 simply because they were gay kids do you think that's a big part of the issue 100 i i think that

00:09:15.600 there there i think there was an article written i mentioned it last year in one of my videos that

00:09:19.940 i had with my friend blake who is legitimately in my opinion a trans guy um he has gender dysphoria

00:09:25.380 he had top surgery he's you know transitioned in any every way that he can you have a lot of

00:09:30.000 trans friends for a bigot i have to say i know well i mean rational trans people but you know

00:09:36.380 but obviously they're just tokens and uh they're the wrong type of trans because they agree with

00:09:41.740 me but um yeah most of the trans people if not all of them that i'm friends with are 0.99

00:09:46.520 irrational and and you know very sweet and and they're just like i want to live my fucking life 0.99

00:09:52.140 like it sucks that i had to live this that i had to experience this but now i'm i'm you know i'm 0.93

00:09:58.380 transition in whatever way that i can and i mean um yeah my friend my friend blake and i did a video

00:10:04.020 last year where we talked about the i think the increase in the amount of people i did the amount

00:10:11.560 of females identifying as trans in some way has like quadrupled over the last few years

00:10:18.580 especially in the uk because the uk is even more progressive progressive than um because it's not

00:10:25.880 even progressive in my opinion but progressive uh than than the states and i it was also there

00:10:33.340 was also a study um i want to say was the hrc human rights campaign which is based here i think

00:10:40.480 it might it might be worldwide but it's i think it's actually based in dc um where like every

00:10:47.040 year they they they're mentioning trans and non-binary identities and queer more and more

00:10:51.180 in their like yearly reports and the word lesbian wasn't even mentioned in the last two years or

00:10:55.500 something and it makes us it makes young lesbians that are you know gender non-conforming which 1.00

00:11:02.260 technically all lesbians are gender non-conforming if you really think about it right because we're 1.00

00:11:05.880 not conforming to the expectation that we're supposed to date men so when you go when you

00:11:10.700 dive into things and and look at them on a deeper level you know it's it's quite easy to see how a

00:11:19.200 young lesbian or young gay boy would think that they're trans and this is happening more and more

00:11:22.700 even on youtube there are people um that are coming out more and more as detransitioners and 0.99

00:11:27.860 realizing that they did not have gender dysphoria and they just hated their bodies maybe they had 0.90

00:11:32.220 dysmorphia or maybe they just were going through teenage bullshit i did that i hated my body for a 0.89

00:11:37.060 long time because i wasn't feminine enough when that doesn't mean that being trans isn't real 0.98

00:11:42.340 like it is clearly a real disorder like it's a real whatever you want to call it a disorder

00:11:46.680 of you know a brain body disconnect or something it's a real thing but that because of the because

00:11:53.620 the word trans has been watered down to literally mean absolutely nothing but an identity kids are

00:11:59.460 very vulnerable teens are very vulnerable and they most of them just want to fit in um they're

00:12:05.600 already you know some of them are already bullied or just feel ostracized in their community for

00:12:10.580 whatever reason and they're like well everyone else is coming out as trans and they're being 0.52

00:12:14.620 accepted and they're being loved and why don't I do that and it's it's not the case 100% of the

00:12:20.800 time of course but it's happening more and more excuse me more and more um and if there's something

00:12:26.020 to the reason I talk about it is because it is happening more often than not to people that are

00:12:30.120 that are female and I think that says a lot too no it's it's happened to uh my former colleague 0.88

00:12:35.660 and a friend her daughter recently came out a 12 year old girl a 12 year old girl came out and

00:12:41.540 and told uh her mother my friend um where um when i transition not if when and at the age of 12 years

00:12:49.820 old and it's part of the reason that we think oh yeah they're going to transition they don't realize

00:12:54.960 the medical implication that this is having on your body and the fact is that you are going to

00:12:59.580 become a medical patient for the rest of your life if you are a trans person right which which is

00:13:05.720 unfortunate in itself i wish i wish there was like a cis pill and trans people will tell you 1.00

00:13:11.380 that too like a true a true trans binary trans person right well we'll tell you like if there

00:13:16.140 was a cis pill i would take it tomorrow and i i can't of course i can't imagine what that would

00:13:20.600 feel like it's it's completely not even similar to being lgb at all um feeling like you're born

00:13:27.460 in the wrong body or feeling like your body is in some way wrong yeah you wouldn't wish it on

00:13:32.860 anyone i mean we've had a few trans people on our show talking to them about it and when they

00:13:36.880 describe it you know it's not something you would wish on your worst enemy because it's not yeah

00:13:41.180 not a pleasant experience but let me ask you this because one of the stats that we came out recently

00:13:45.740 is that um acceptance of sexual minorities and trans people are included in that even though

00:13:53.800 they're not really a sexual minority but anyway um has actually gone down quite significantly which

00:14:00.100 is an incredible i mean you'd have to work really hard in the 21st century to get people to be less

00:14:06.860 tolerant i know i know this is what do you put that down to well maybe it's because you know

00:14:14.860 in the uk there are things like people punching you know woke femme woke um people on the woke 0.97

00:14:21.260 left are punching 60 year old women for for going into a fucking basement in a library to talk about 0.99

00:14:28.920 women's rights you know it's like and there's spray in vancouver they're spray painting rape 1.00

00:14:34.680 you know rape uh crisis centers saying that only females are or have you not heard of this 1.00

00:14:39.820 there's a rape there's a rape relief center in vancouver that was spray painted with turf and

00:14:43.940 bigot and all these people because they wouldn't accept because they wouldn't accept trans women

00:14:49.040 right well yeah because it because it's probably not the right place for them 0.99

00:14:53.660 right you know what i mean like if they were raped i don't you know i don't even know i mean

00:14:59.420 there are a lot of trans women that get raped yes i don't know if if they still belong like to me if 1.00

00:15:08.160 i was i don't even know i've never been raped but i'm assuming if i had just been raped i would not 0.81

00:15:14.420 want to see somebody with a penis next to me personally and and it's not that it's not again 0.95

00:15:20.380 it's not like it's not a bigoted thing it's not has nothing to do with the person being trans it 0.99

00:15:24.320 has to do with worrying about the person that had just been raped so if there's a way that they can

00:15:29.400 fix that you know that maybe there's a way but people have to understand that it's it's not just

00:15:35.960 like no we hate trans people it's like no we care about this female right who might be triggered by 0.99

00:15:41.200 that hell the freaking trans woman alone is probably triggered by her own penis like most 1.00

00:15:45.840 of the time you know what i mean like they don't want it there so i think hopefully i like you 0.99

00:15:50.420 would think they would understand it a lot of them do that's the thing it's these it's these

00:15:54.660 radical queer extremists that I usually talk about in my videos. It's not, it's usually not

00:16:00.840 binary, you know, rational trans people. It's, it's these crazy extremists that want to break 0.98

00:16:07.480 binaries, you know, which is funny because that's actually not helping trans people at all because 0.99

00:16:12.760 trans people want to go from one to the other, right? They don't want to, they want to exist

00:16:16.940 within the binary. They don't want to break it. Um, and, and a lot of them, I also noticed there's

00:16:22.180 a ton of um i have a video about this coming out soon hopefully but i'm it's gonna take me a little

00:16:26.780 while to do some research but there's an influx of cis straight white men um gamers on youtube

00:16:35.480 uh that have been posting like hateful content about me and other like turfs um and i it makes

00:16:43.640 me think you know like i just i sit there and i wonder why these people think that they are allowed

00:16:49.580 to speak on issues again that don't affect them if you're a dude and you look like you and you

00:16:54.920 look like you know francis and you're just walking around and and you know somebody like me comes

00:16:59.000 into your bathroom i mean you're gonna be like okay like what the hell you're doing here but 0.85

00:17:02.920 you're not gonna feel threatened you know what i mean you're not gonna get like you know it's a

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00:18:33.280 and ariel i really want to sort of explore this idea of women's safe spaces because i don't think

00:18:43.360 men get it they just don't they they go i can't see what women are complaining about surely it's 1.00

00:18:48.200 fine i don't and you use the example you use but isn't part of it the fact that women on the whole 1.00

00:18:53.040 tend to be physically weaker than men which means that therefore you are more vulnerable so i always

00:18:58.440 use the example of a nightclub where if a man chats to a woman and a woman feels that she's

00:19:04.220 uncomfortable with the situation the one safe space that she has in order to get rid of the dude 0.92

00:19:08.800 is to go and walk into the women's toilets he can't follow her she's safe that's very true too 1.00

00:19:14.420 yeah yeah and if we remove that all of a sudden that safe space is gone that's true yeah that's

00:19:21.120 that's what it's come to i've been in a nightclub uh where was i in savannah georgia it was an lgbt

00:19:27.820 nightclub and there was this I mean he was he was good looking but like obviously not my type

00:19:33.140 it's like very handsome tall black you seemingly so straight man and he comes up and starts talking 0.99

00:19:39.760 to me and I'm like dude you're at a fucking gay bar like what are you doing you know what I mean 1.00

00:19:43.380 like people just they just don't get it sometimes um so it's just to have somebody that looks me oh 0.99

00:19:50.600 there was a really fun I'll give you an example there's a really funny tweet that somebody posted

00:19:53.640 it's a um parody account and i think it's somebody was like how can we he was responding to somebody

00:20:02.180 and the tweet that he was responding to said something like how can we tell um you know 0.98

00:20:08.160 how can we deal with the trans women's uh bathroom issue and he got so stupid and he's like well we 0.99

00:20:17.160 should just he was being like troll but he was like um i should say she because they identify 0.99

00:20:22.580 as a trans woman but like have a beard and everything it's a troll account i don't even

00:20:25.720 know if the dude is real but um she responded with we should have a button uh two buttons

00:20:33.260 outside of a women's toilets or any safe space for women one that says yes i'm legitimately a 0.95

00:20:38.100 trans woman and once one that says and then you press that one you go and one that says no 0.57

00:20:42.560 i'm taking advantage of this situation and it's true it's like how could you really know

00:20:49.280 it doesn't it's not like it's not like we're saying trans women have no women experience

00:20:54.960 some of them do some of them legitimately live live their lives as women for a very long time 1.00

00:21:01.240 but what happened like the whole idea of self-identification is what a lot of women 1.00

00:21:05.960 are saying no to these are people that that look like you that can just call themselves women and 0.92

00:21:14.160 expect to be treated as such when it's like you have no idea what it's like in my opinion

00:21:19.260 you might like okay in your own head whatever whatever that means but if you went into a woman's 0.99

00:21:26.600 space and didn't see to me that you that then you're not a real woman at all like if you if 1.00

00:21:32.120 most women and i might be a nurture versus nature thing it might be very much a nurture thing 1.00

00:21:37.520 if you are truly a woman like you say you are and you go into a space and you're not aware of how

00:21:44.660 you're making other people around you feel you're not a woman because women are taught to be that 1.00

00:21:48.460 way right since since i was very young as a kid you are taught to pay attention to how your actions

00:21:55.180 and how you're even how your thoughts can make other people feel that that doesn't mean that 0.97

00:22:00.000 men aren't like you know that that men also don't go through shit i'm not saying that but there are 0.96

00:22:05.180 different privileges living as a man and living as a woman that neither sex will understand until 0.98

00:22:11.280 they live as that you know no absolutely absolutely there's there's you know we we talk about you

00:22:17.680 know the different what it's like to be a woman there's so for instance my girlfriend um I helped

00:22:22.720 her I'm a comedian I helped her on a comedy club and at the end of the show we were letting people

00:22:27.040 out and somebody felt a bit ill so I had to sort of go and help man the door get people out bring

00:22:32.760 people in and my girlfriend came and stood right next to me and I'm like do you have to do this now

00:22:37.680 is this the right moment to do this and she went I'm sorry I've got no choice there was a dude

00:22:42.820 following me around the bar and he was really freaking me out and that's never happened to me

00:22:46.740 as a man never and i doubt it could but it's unlikely yeah it's unlikely but that's something

00:22:52.640 that i never have to worry about that i'm never concerned about and i think that's part of the

00:22:56.900 problem is that men see we see the world through our eyes and somewhere women come out and go look 0.74

00:23:01.900 there's this issue we go well it's not a problem for me so why don't you just grow up yeah and

00:23:05.840 then and then i think again with a lot of these woke gamer bros you know i think they the funny

00:23:10.900 the funny thing is and why I think this is happening I'm not 100% sure yet there's there's

00:23:16.880 a there's like at least 10 or 15 of them now that are that are just I I think it's you know that

00:23:23.880 they I think they want to seem woke because it's cool to be woke these days which is not actually

00:23:28.540 woke at all in my opinion but I also think that they feel guilty before being cis straight and 0.62

00:23:36.540 white like I really do I really do and a man I it's it's a weird thing it's you know it's it's

00:23:45.280 like the only way to please the far left if you are a cis straight white male is to be like I know

00:23:53.460 that I'm privileged I know that I'm this I know that I'm that I know that I'm that and everybody

00:23:56.640 else is a turf and everybody's transphobic and everyone's race it's like and that's what these

00:24:00.680 guys are doing like every single one of them so it just makes me question is this what they really

00:24:04.320 believe or are they guilt like are they do they feel guilty for being privileged or do they just 0.98

00:24:11.360 want a left-wing audience for whatever reason because most of the shit that they say isn't 0.99

00:24:17.560 woke like in any sense of the word um because first of all they're speaking over trans people 0.98

00:24:25.020 and they're speaking over females so as a man well if these guys are watching i'd just like

00:24:31.640 to say, guys, stop it. Just enjoy your privilege as a straight white man. It's not going to last

00:24:35.980 for very much longer. Just enjoy it. Don't feel guilty about it. Just be the straight white man 0.62

00:24:41.080 that you are. You shouldn't feel guilty about how you live through the world. What you should do is

00:24:49.400 be aware of how others have to go through it. There's a big difference. But talk to me about

00:24:54.920 the YouTube thing, because you said you had to make changes. What does that mean exactly? You

00:24:59.840 had to make changes in order to get your channel re-monetized what did that look like i had to

00:25:04.820 i had to just change the the wording in some of the videos like the titles and the thumbnails

00:25:09.500 um of the more controversial topics um i don't know if that's actually what helped me like they

00:25:17.840 don't tell you like why the channel is demonetized they just tell you it's they just say you know

00:25:22.980 it it's very vague i don't know how to actually say what they said because i don't remember

00:25:28.380 but it's it's not like this video has this wrong with it like they don't have time to do that

00:25:32.420 they're just like okay this channel's annoying me somebody complained about it probably i don't

00:25:36.580 know how it works and they're like fix some shit and then we'll get back to you because really like 0.85

00:25:41.180 what it comes down to so i just i think it was like 15 20 videos some of them i i privated or 0.96

00:25:46.820 deleted um some of them some of them were just like sexually explicit but like not even because

00:25:52.660 their sexual education um and i again i've been posting that kind of content for 10 years so why

00:25:58.700 now all of a sudden is there something wrong with it you know so i don't know if it's actually

00:26:04.960 youtube that had an issue with it um or if it was just a whole bunch of people you know spamming my

00:26:11.340 channel at once that had a problem like i really there's no way for me to know i just i just know

00:26:15.820 that i had to my even my network they were like well we'll give you some tips and you know i guess

00:26:21.620 what i'm getting that is do you think that if you were making content about you know i'm a you know 1.00

00:26:28.600 trans woman with a penis here's the best way to suck my dick do you think that would be 1.00

00:26:33.000 can i just say we're gonna clip that and i'm gonna make that go viral could you yeah just 1.00

00:26:38.400 just me saying that exactly that's exactly what i am i'm finally coming out as my true self francis

00:26:44.820 and you know what we could do we could put a little beat behind it and turn it into one of

00:26:48.380 those little dance anthems exactly that'd be brilliant but but do you think what i guess what

00:26:52.980 i'm on a serious point is what i'm getting at is if you were making content that was very woke and

00:26:58.640 progressive and you were you know coming at it from that angle and it was sexual in nature some

00:27:04.720 of your videos definitely have been always from way back when from 10 years ago yeah yeah do you

00:27:10.060 think that you would have had the same experience um i there's no way for me to tell like for sure

00:27:16.000 i i will say that since i started becoming less of a progressive i stopped being invited to youtube

00:27:24.280 events so we've never been invited i will say that um but i also know that the two people that

00:27:33.260 are like really cool with youtube that are part of the lgbt community hate me that that are like 0.94

00:27:39.680 you know involved in the youtube side of lgbt community like they actually have like a connection

00:27:44.580 with youtube or contact the youtube um one of them deals with the lgbt part of vidcon and they

00:27:52.040 despise me so i wouldn't be i wasn't surprised that i like wasn't invited to vidcon even though

00:27:56.840 i didn't want to go back anyway um because it was always during pride so that just kind of

00:28:02.020 would suck if i couldn't go to my own pride parade um but also just because vidcon itself has had

00:28:07.880 become super super super progressively woke you know and you can't like the it's literally the

00:28:17.240 like vidcon is the epitome of progressive youtube progressives on youtube um at least when i went

00:28:22.780 in 2016 i think was the year i went it was 2016 um and it's unfortunate because they're not allowing

00:28:31.380 the weird part of it is they're not allowing people that identify that that are women

00:28:36.640 that identify as women that present as women that are female to speak about their issues you know

00:28:41.980 it's only about um the q and the t at the moment which you know on the more serious topics anyway

00:28:48.260 of course they'll have coming out panels and stuff like that like great um but yeah i think

00:28:53.560 there are more serious issues that need to be addressed and people like you know rose of dawn

00:28:57.060 and blair white and um sophia there's there's a bunch of trans women that navigate those issues 1.00

00:29:02.600 very well in my opinion um and I take note of that and I'm like I respect them 10 times more

00:29:08.320 as women because they are again so aware of how their lives affect other women that's a woman

00:29:14.080 and it's true when you think about it right yeah the one thing that I I really wanted to talk to

00:29:20.880 you about Ariel was I see your journey and my journey has been similar because I'm traditionally

00:29:25.880 I would have seen myself always as being on the left I'm a former school teacher worked in 12

00:29:30.220 years you know underprivileged kids you would go yeah that's somebody on the left but more and more

00:29:36.280 I've just seen my own side go what I call tonto and I think I've never I can't I can't be part of

00:29:45.520 that what was a moment for you where you thought you know what I'm done I can't be part of this

00:29:50.680 anymore was there a specific moment or was it a gradual process it was a gradual like online it

00:29:56.580 was gradual i just started disagreeing like more and more with people and realized how crazy in my

00:30:04.920 opinion that how irrational their views were but what really solidified it for me was and i said

00:30:10.600 this in other interviews um i was i was going to vegas for to meet two front two two internet

00:30:16.840 friends of mine tara babcock who her name sounds like a porn star but she's not and my friend page

00:30:22.380 who actually was a porn star and we were going to film um you know sex positive videos and stuff

00:30:27.500 like that and Paige started her own uh porn company and Tara's just an awesome YouTuber

00:30:32.720 um and I had never met either of them in person and Tara and I had just become friends so she

00:30:37.820 didn't really like know much about me um and then when we finally met in person she was like oh I

00:30:42.400 saw you know I'm so glad that you're that you're really chill and that you're you know super open

00:30:46.760 minded because when I saw your your Twitter profile it said like women empowerment and it 1.00

00:30:50.860 had a little gay rainbow flag and i thought you were one of those crazy people and i was like okay 0.98

00:30:54.540 like i can't even have a fucking rainbow flag in my bio anymore because people associate that with 0.99

00:31:00.780 crazies like people need to know that i am not one of those people um because i don't yeah i refuse 0.97

00:31:07.920 to be people that that that are anti-science and anti-logic and it just makes us all

00:31:15.660 it just makes us all look like lunatics and i think that's the truth of why you know the rate

00:31:23.740 of lgbt acceptance is down it's not actual lesbians and gays and bisexuals it's the queer 1.00

00:31:30.060 the radical queer and trans activists again not even binary trans people usually because they're 0.97

00:31:35.200 usually really cool like blair it's everybody kind of in the middle you know um and especially

00:31:43.220 young kids because they are they have the most time on their hands they're the loudest 0.96

00:31:46.960 and they're also the they haven't had the experience yet so they think they fucking 0.93

00:31:52.280 know everything you know what I mean yeah I just don't know if there's a word for that but um 0.97

00:31:56.240 the arrogance of youth yeah yeah I guess that's the way yeah they are they're very arrogant in

00:32:01.580 in their in their in their youth yeah and Ariel do you think that there's a danger like because

00:32:08.080 the reality is most people are saying reasonable rational you sit down you talk with them you go

00:32:14.480 okay i can we disagree but i get where you're coming from i don't believe that but i understand

00:32:19.280 your reasons for believing it are we now in this world where we get these very very small minority

00:32:24.560 of people who are incredibly loud and we believe that is the argument when actually it isn't

00:32:29.880 they're just a couple of nutters on twitter who because they're so loud they're so angry they're

00:32:34.260 so polarizing they get these huge numbers following them so we think that they're actually

00:32:39.380 the important ones and they're not they're just nutters yes but yes i agree with you but that

00:32:44.480 doesn't mean that just because they're a very small minority a very loud small minority doesn't

00:32:49.420 mean that they're actually not making waves like they are you know um which is why otherwise i'd 0.59

00:32:56.680 just be like okay they're just like shouting out into the fucking void but situations like with 0.84

00:33:01.720 sydney mardi gras i was invited out there um to speak and these the crazies on twitter you know 0.98

00:33:07.420 made a petition about me a thousand people signed it not meanwhile none of these people actually

00:33:11.660 came to the event of course not they're not gonna come to the event um and they made it out to see

00:33:16.480 to be for me to be they made it out as if i was this terrible person and just my existence being

00:33:23.720 in australia was triggering for them it's like and but they but they got sydney mardi gras to

00:33:29.880 take our event off of their website because the truth is as small as a minority that they are 0.99

00:33:35.740 um those are the types of people that will show up and throw bricks at your windows

00:33:41.780 and sydney market doesn't want to deal with that you know what i mean yeah gay pride parade doesn't 0.87

00:33:48.140 want to deal with that so they just they just cave they cave to the crazies and it's it's the

00:33:53.140 sad thing is i get messages every single day and most even most lgbt people that are creators 0.52

00:33:58.680 either writers um you know bloggers instagrams whatever youtubers we i would say 99 of us well

00:34:07.680 maybe not 99 of us 95 of us agree with everything that i say and are just terrified to talk about

00:34:14.480 it they won't because they're afraid to lose brand deals um they're afraid to you know upset a

00:34:19.900 younger you know section of their audience but i'm not afraid of that like i mean there's a lot

00:34:25.340 of young kids that still follow me but those are also the people that hate me the most and i think

00:34:30.580 it would be mental for me to continue to try to win over people that already hate me it's just

00:34:37.820 not good for my mental health and my well-being so i i want to stand by my morals and i wanted

00:34:43.020 to gain a different audience of people that are rational and and level-headed and can have an

00:34:49.180 actual conversation and and not just scream turf into the you know scream turf at me on twitter

00:34:55.900 and call me all these names but actually having a solid argument um and how is that because

00:35:03.200 it must be really really tough because you know to come out automatically you're saying i'm

00:35:09.220 different to the vast majority of people right so that automatically makes you an outsider that's

00:35:14.800 I imagine is one of the tough things about being gay, LGBT, all the rest of it.

00:35:19.660 Oh, yeah.

00:35:20.660 You're now within your own community.

00:35:22.720 You have now become an outsider within that.

00:35:25.800 Yes.

00:35:26.220 So you are now effectively isolating yourself from the people that you should be affiliating

00:35:31.360 with.

00:35:31.840 That must be really tough, isn't it?

00:35:34.380 It's not tough on my ego because I know my own worth, but it's tough on my brand.

00:35:41.860 um but it is it's doing better now like people are the people that are watching my content now

00:35:48.860 are like i don't see it like the comments that i get are like why does everybody hate this girl

00:35:52.760 like she's literally saying nothing wrong and i'm like thank god because like i i knew that but

00:35:58.100 like you see the same comments for for six five six years since 2014 you know since i started

00:36:04.360 posting uh more t and q content um you know all the negative comments they didn't get to me as

00:36:11.520 much as people would assume because I do have a very strong sense of self but it made me question

00:36:16.460 myself and question my not question my self-worth but question my ability to communicate properly

00:36:24.480 because I'm like was I saying the wrong thing and it's like no these people just aren't

00:36:27.600 understanding what I'm saying I've said it a hundred different ways yeah they just don't

00:36:31.420 want to hear it and that's on you know at that point I'm like it's on them and I'm just not

00:36:35.980 even going to try to change my wording anymore like i i've changed so much the way i've changed

00:36:41.940 so much of the way that i say things over the years for the better i do think that a lot of

00:36:45.960 things that i used to say back then weren't perfectly worded um so i have learned a lot

00:36:51.220 from that community but at this point you know when when the word woman is meaningless i i can't

00:36:57.640 get behind that no so it's talking about changing the the words that you use do you feel having had

00:37:03.760 this demonetization episode where essentially you're told there's something wrong with your

00:37:08.400 channel you're not told what it is you you have to make changes as best you can to try and understand

00:37:14.540 what it was that got you demonetized in the first place are you now kind of having to self-censor

00:37:19.940 yourself going forward because just for people who don't know you you know your channel has

00:37:23.980 over 600 000 subscribers so your advertising revenue from that would be quite significant

00:37:30.200 uh so to lose that but it's not yeah um but but still i mean i imagine i just basing it off on us

00:37:38.140 and you know having a hundred thousand subscribers uh you know you can make a living uh with i

00:37:43.500 imagine you know having six hundred thousand subscribers um so to you're essentially having

00:37:49.160 that threatened over the fact that you've started to talk about a particular issue are you now

00:37:56.040 feeling like you have to censor yourself going forward in order to protect

00:37:59.720 your livelihood um i do but i won't like i'm gonna stand by my morals i've always been that

00:38:08.660 kind of person maybe it's because i'm a new yorker um but it it hit me that that's the first

00:38:17.040 time my channel's ever been hit like that i don't even think i had any like strikes on my channel

00:38:22.020 ever you know what i mean so it and it was just funny that it all happened a month after i came

00:38:27.120 out with that video so it doesn't make me question things um but even even so it's like i'm not even

00:38:33.720 far right i'm just not super progressive left anymore and i still support the majority of left

00:38:39.620 you're not like like 50 like again i'm i think i'm like a libertarian is what people call

00:38:45.640 which is what the old left is so i've always been left it's just the left moved even further

00:38:50.220 so I don't know what I don't know I part of me just thinks that YouTube found like an easy way

00:38:58.020 to target me maybe um but at the same time the more I talk about things that I actually believe

00:39:06.240 in and I've always did that but controversial things that I believe in will say that because

00:39:10.600 I never really touched on controversial topics like this um the more I'm getting support

00:39:17.080 monetarily from individual viewers uh which ideally and hopefully would would level out

00:39:25.340 the AdSense because I don't make much money on AdSense anyway because most of my videos are

00:39:29.040 controversial and sexually explicit not even sexually explicit but sexual topics so I don't

00:39:34.320 really get ads on those videos anyway um but on the topics that I don't talk about either of those 0.69

00:39:39.740 things I'm missing a few hundred bucks a month so it did suck you know and Ariel what why do you 0.61

00:39:46.160 think it is that we seem to expect people who are in the LGBT community or an ethnic minority

00:39:54.220 to somehow be left and if they espouse views or say things that are not on the left

00:40:01.520 we see it as being problematic and want to expel them why is that I think it's just the group

00:40:08.480 thinking hive mind mentality I think that we assume well not we but people on the left assume 0.99

00:40:15.560 that anyone that doesn't think like them is either stupid or a grifter which I hate that word because 0.98

00:40:23.180 everyone's calling me that now and it's like I wish I was because the far far far right channels 0.99

00:40:28.000 have not even looked at me yet um well welcome to the club wait till that happens because then

00:40:33.260 they start attacking you as well we've had right like that's not gonna happen we're left-wing

00:40:37.440 grifters on Monday and right-wing grifters on Tuesday and then back to being far left on

00:40:41.880 Wednesday it's just that's just that's just the turf that you're on now yeah yeah exactly um I did

00:40:48.820 an interview uh with one of my new friends David who is a Trump supporter uh more conservative

00:40:54.980 I don't even know if he considers himself a Republican but he made and even if I disagree 0.94

00:40:59.660 with his politics it has nothing to do with that the point of the video was stop bullying gay Trump

00:41:04.000 supporters stop bullying people that disagree with you actually have a sit-down conversation

00:41:08.460 with them see where they're coming from and you'll realize they're not they're not all terrible

00:41:11.040 people and one of the things he said in the video was brilliant and he said the left the progressive

00:41:18.320 left focuses so much on diversity diversity of of of uh gender sexual orientation skin color

00:41:25.940 age whatever and he's like but they all think the same what about what why not diversity of thought 0.99

00:41:31.200 like why why do we all have to think the same and i was like fuck like smart dude i was like i didn't 0.97

00:41:36.660 even think of that like i i i obviously thought of it but the way he worded it was perfectly 0.97

00:41:41.580 um yeah diversity of thought is what the left unfortunately is is well what the lgbt community

00:41:48.940 is lacking um you know but it's not just the lgbt community it's any minority any minority yeah but

00:41:55.960 it's like we are both comedians in the comedy industry it's the same you know people are

00:42:00.400 progressed and promoted and pushed for who they are instead of what they what they think or what

00:42:05.380 their comedy is you know so I think it kind of happens everywhere do you think there's a space

00:42:10.700 to be carved out in the middle because I'm very much kind of in the center politically Francis is

00:42:15.040 a kind of rejected lefty you kind of are starting to realize that you are as well and and the

00:42:22.580 question that people always and like I get asked like why I'm conservative all the time and I keep

00:42:27.460 having to say that I'm not actually conservative like I did an interview with somebody that a few

00:42:31.620 weeks ago and that was their opening question and people assume all the time that if you're not

00:42:36.760 far left you're on the other side do you think there's a space to be just carved out somewhere

00:42:42.340 in the middle for like sensible people who you know they have their own views on things but they

00:42:47.360 still don't reject science completely and they don't uh you know they don't go down the crazy

00:42:53.380 rabbit holes of the far right or the far left yeah i think there's more i think luckily because

00:42:58.840 of people um like dave rubin and and blair just anybody in the lgbt community that isn't left

00:43:06.600 that isn't super left they don't even have to be conservative because neither of them are like

00:43:09.960 truly conservative um it's carving out space for the rest of us to be like wait i can i cannot be

00:43:16.400 like super wokey and progressivey and lefty and believe in 87 genders um i think just speaking

00:43:23.680 about it helps. Uh, and I think more P I've gotten more comments and more likes on my videos

00:43:29.580 than ever before. Like, so I think people were afraid to talk about it until somebody else

00:43:35.900 started talking about it, which was the same for me until people like Blair and, and, and Dave

00:43:40.960 Rubin and, um, you know, even Buck Angel, who's not conservative. He's, he's a lefty, but he's,

00:43:45.900 he's very aware of science. He's a trans guy and, you know, pasta, one of the first transsexual 1.00

00:43:50.540 porn stars and he's just a sweetheart all for female spaces you know because you know even 0.69

00:43:56.040 trans men that are female experience different things to cis men you know um but he's just 1.00

00:44:01.600 awesome and luckily the the rise in popularity of those people gave way for people like myself

00:44:07.640 to speak more openly about what they believe you know and when do you think because you look at a

00:44:16.040 lot of the media and well i can't really speak uh about the media in the uk which is very very

00:44:20.920 left dominated it's very very progressive the liberal arts very very progressive as well

00:44:25.880 when do you think our type of voices are going to become more acceptable in the mainstream do

00:44:32.060 you think that's going to happen sooner rather than later would you do you just see this situation 0.86

00:44:36.720 getting worse which is what i think is going to happen sadly you're just you're just a depressive

00:44:43.260 i think either way it's job security for us because we have more to talk about

00:44:50.300 so i don't know i think i i mean i hope that people start to come to their senses more and

00:44:55.840 stop denying science um and i think people are getting fed up with the crazy far left which is

00:45:01.480 why the rate of acceptance is down for us so i think people are are realizing that they need

00:45:06.180 to be more vocal and it's happening just at a very slow rate because people are still very scared

00:45:09.660 they're still really afraid and why do you think they're afraid is it because you know people stand

00:45:16.040 a very real chance of losing livelihoods jobs absolutely oh absolutely they've told me and

00:45:23.000 there's there's also articles written about it that because you have to remember a lot of lgbt

00:45:26.060 people already work in um the arts field arts and humanities fields that tend to be more

00:45:32.700 progressive you know what i mean like how many like gay men accountants do you know

00:45:36.320 like obviously there's a lot but in general like i used to work in advertising like half of the

00:45:43.440 company was lgbt i don't know why we fluctuate that way we just we flock to it i mean um we just

00:45:49.980 do um maybe because it's good to express ourselves or who the hell knows but lgbt people tend to

00:45:55.900 gravitate more towards the arts yeah creative fields of various fields yeah um and that's that's

00:46:03.920 where the unfortunate not unfortunately that's where the most progressive minds tend to be

00:46:07.580 so when you're more you know center or right it's I would imagine it's it's super difficult to

00:46:14.120 to come out like my the kid David he's like I've had nothing he's like I came out as conservative

00:46:20.020 and I got nothing but hate from the left and nothing but love from the right he's like they

00:46:23.460 don't care I'm gay they do not care if I'm gay they don't care if I want to get married they

00:46:27.800 just they it's like for them it's more I think more people now are conservative economically

00:46:33.220 more than conservative socially and I think people get that mixed up as well yeah there is a big

00:46:40.060 difference it's interesting because it depends what you mean by it for example in the UK a lot

00:46:45.580 of people are actually being revealed as socially conservative but our conversation is very different

00:46:50.200 to yours so acceptance of you know gay people is is completely universal I would say but when we

00:46:56.600 talk about something like immigration that you know reluctance or resistance to mass immigration

00:47:01.680 would be a conservative issue that a lot of people hold would disagree right yeah yeah right uh but

00:47:07.900 anyway look thanks very much for coming on uh it's good to know your channel has been re-monetized

00:47:12.020 uh i have a sneaky suspicion that you're gonna you're gonna end up back back in that position

00:47:17.560 at some point if you continue uh but then you know that's all of us right now isn't it with

00:47:22.260 with the way that things are going uh the last question we always ask arielle is what's the one

00:47:27.300 thing that no one is talking about that we should be talking about as a society i think i'm going

00:47:34.020 to stick it with with the lesbian issues i think more people need to listen to issues that affect

00:47:39.380 females and stop trying to be super woke about gender politics at the moment and actually listen 1.00

00:47:46.800 to why a lot of females are rejecting it all right listen to women that's never going to catch on 1.00

00:47:51.300 certainly not in russia mate i'm from russia so yeah not where i'm from for sure but we'll see

00:47:58.140 if we can make it catch on here in the west ariel thank you so much if people want to follow your

00:48:03.280 work uh where do they go for that they could just search my name on on any of the platforms and i'll

00:48:08.180 come up perfect all right well thanks for coming on and we'll take care we'll see you again

00:48:21.300 We'll be right back.

TRIGGERnometry - April 29, 2020

＂Trans Issues Affect EVERYBODY＂ - Arielle Scarcella

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