＂Trans Issues Affect EVERYBODY＂ - Arielle Scarcella
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Arielle Scarcella is a lesbian YouTuber who has been making content on YouTube about being a lesbian for the past 10 years. In this episode, we talk about coming out as a lesbian, her views on the LGBTQ+ community, and how she has dealt with the backlash she has received since coming out.
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Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissin.
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And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.
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Our brilliant guest today is a YouTuber, Arielle Scarcella. Welcome to Trigonometry.
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What up? How are you guys over there in the UK?
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We're locked down. We are keeping at a safe distance from each other.
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but before we get into all of that for anyone who doesn't know who you are just tell everybody
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who are you what has been your journey through life that leads you to being on trigonometry in
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this very remote and distant way oh wow interesting um i well i came out as a lesbian at 19 and that
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is why you're here that's why i'm here because a lot of your guys a lot of your viewers are
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probably straight men who love lesbians i don't know your viewership but i'm assuming that's what
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um and and you know what the straight guys have been nothing but but but gracious and and really
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sweet to me so it's like I joke a lot about like oh straight men but like literally I've never had
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a problem with them um personally yeah but I came out when I was 19 um I started making content on
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YouTube about being a lesbian when I was 23 and my content has changed I wouldn't say dramatically
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but politically it's changed a little you know quite a bit and it's it's it's gotten to the
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point where i you know i i stir up some drama and you know there's some there's some tea being
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spilled um but i think it's because i'm i'm the one open you know out lesbian on on youtube that
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you know calls out bullshit honestly that will call out the bullshit of of the the progressive
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left or of the right but like i've never had an issue with the right so i haven't had to call
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anybody out unless it's religious people then i'm just like it's not even worth my time you know um
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because they're allowed to believe whatever the hell they believe as long as they're not infringing
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upon my right fine um yeah and I I came out with a video um about two months ago about leaving uh
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the progressive left I never officially came out as conservative because I don't think I'm fully
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conservative I think I'm like somewhere in the middle um and I've I've yeah a lot of a lot of
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more conservative or right-wing channels or even libertarian channels have been asking for my
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opinions on lgbt topics because i feel like i'm kind of an expert at this point a few weeks ago
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um a lot of our fans started clamoring for us to talk to you and i think your your youtube channel
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has been completely demonetized is that right it was up until like yesterday it was it was
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demonetized for five weeks yeah okay so it's gonna take some time since they they re-monetized me but
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i had to change a whole bunch of stuff like unfortunately yeah they and it's funny because
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a lot of people were like arielle's been making the same content literally for 10 years and and
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apparently they they demonetized me for having sexually explicit content i've been posting the
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same type of videos for 10 years so how come as soon as i came out as non-progressive all of a
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sudden it's just like and and again like people rally behind me and um and i like the you know
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the progressive the progressive i'll just call them the woke left from now on just so you guys
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because i don't want to keep saying progressive it's annoying but the woke you know the woke left
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likes to hate on cis straight heterosexual white men and it's like the people that actually
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donated to my patreon were cis straight white white white men nine out of ten times it was
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those types of people that were being supportive so i think a lot of these people are misunderstood
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um i think i think the far left you know finds it easier these days to just hate on somebody for
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who they are not what they believe you know like oh you're you're a man you can't you don't have
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a say or you're you're this you don't have a say or you're you're cis you can't you can't talk on
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trans topics and it's like why can't everybody talk about every topic and if it affects them
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in some way you know what i'm saying like if i'm not going to talk about like gay men issues i have
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No, it doesn't affect me in any sense of the word, but trans issues do affect everybody
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because it's changing the definitions of the word man and woman.
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I think everybody should have a part of the conversation, you know, and I don't think
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I don't think I've seen that many people that are actually hateful about it.
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I haven't seen that many hateful people personally.
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And Ariel, so you touched on the whole trans issue.
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Now, I've got a couple of mates who are gay women, and they are, to use, how can I put
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this, correct terminology, absolutely fucking livid at what is happening, in particular
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Can you touch on, particularly, why is this such an emotive subject for you, and why is
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Well, first of all, it's gotten to the point where even this week is Lesbian Visibility
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and um i think it's diva magazine which is in the uk um it's like the one lesbian magazine over
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there i think or it's like there's like two lesbian magazines in the whole world and that's
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one of them and um because we're a very like underrepresented underrepresented community
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right the trans depends on the genre i have to say that's true you're right i know are we allowed
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to curse like when when you talk when you get porn i mean lesbian porn is one of the most watched
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right um but yeah it's gotten to the point where i was just having a conversation with my friend
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mars who's a trans guy and we were talking about the uh lesbian visibility week it's i mean it's
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a made-up holiday like we i i did a whole series of videos years ago and people believed me i would
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just make up fake lgbt holidays and people were like yay let's celebrate and i'm like i just made
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this up i mean it's a made-up holiday for it it has good intentions obviously right lesbian
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invisibility week but they have you know a trans woman and i'm not saying trans women can't be
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socially lesbians right but the person that they're featuring has only been out for a few
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years and they're in their 50s like you live the majority of your life as a heterosexual man maybe
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we shouldn't you know take the one week or the one day i think which is actually tomorrow it might be
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the 26th lesbian visibility day officially might be the 26th why are we constantly prop you know
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propping up trans women that identify as lesbians and not females you know like it's it i don't i
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don't know how to explain this but it's like i've never people call me transphobic for for saying
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trans women can't be lesbians i've never actually said that because i think there is a social aspect
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to to gayness right like if you appear you're like you know like drag queen goes out in public
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and passes as a woman, she's not going to experience homophobia. You know what I mean?
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Like in that moment. So there is a cultural aspect to it. So even if you identify as a woman
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gender-wise in your brain, whatever that means, right? There has been proof that trans women
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have, there's a part of their brain that looks more similar to somebody like myself.
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You're not going to know what it's like to live and be seen as a woman until you stop looking
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like a man like that's just how it is you know what i mean and like that's unfortunate but
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you can't see in somebody's inside somebody's brain um and it's impossible to know how somebody
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identifies until you ask them and even then most of the time people lie because they're ashamed
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which is also shit um but yeah like the taking over female spaces it's a real thing that's
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happening and a lot of people are like oh that doesn't even happen that often i don't care if
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it happens one time it's something you need to talk about because if it happens one time and
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people think it's okay. It's going to happen. It's going to happen more and more and more and
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more. Um, you know, from, from, from trans women, it's, you know what the funny thing is, it's not
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even that many actual trans women. It's most of these very young, very hip, woke queer kids,
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you know, that, that are somewhere like in the, we hold them the alphabet people. They're probably
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not even LGBT. They're like, they're like queer or like non-binary or some other made up gender.
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and they're like trans women are women if you don't want to suck a dick you know you're you're
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you're you're a transphobe you're a transphobic a horrible person you know and this these are
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like literally you can go on tumblr you can go on twitter you can go on instagram this is these
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are real things like turf is a slur go on that website turf is a slur.com people like that's a
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transphobe website i'm like no it's not it's a real thing and people just documenting what people
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are saying what what you know queer activists are saying to to lesbians and it's just now starting
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to make its way into the gay community but it doesn't happen nearly as often because gay men
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are men right one thing i've noticed as well is with i've spoken to a few of my friends who are
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gay and one of the things they've said and that makes them very concerned about some of the stuff
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around the trans issue is that they feel like because a lot of them were gender non-conforming
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as children they may well have ended up being categorized and encouraged into being trans
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simply because they were gay kids do you think that's a big part of the issue 100 i i think that
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there there i think there was an article written i mentioned it last year in one of my videos that
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i had with my friend blake who is legitimately in my opinion a trans guy um he has gender dysphoria
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he had top surgery he's you know transitioned in any every way that he can you have a lot of
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trans friends for a bigot i have to say i know well i mean rational trans people but you know
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but obviously they're just tokens and uh they're the wrong type of trans because they agree with
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me but um yeah most of the trans people if not all of them that i'm friends with are
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irrational and and you know very sweet and and they're just like i want to live my fucking life
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like it sucks that i had to live this that i had to experience this but now i'm i'm you know i'm
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transition in whatever way that i can and i mean um yeah my friend my friend blake and i did a video
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last year where we talked about the i think the increase in the amount of people i did the amount
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of females identifying as trans in some way has like quadrupled over the last few years
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especially in the uk because the uk is even more progressive progressive than um because it's not
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even progressive in my opinion but progressive uh than than the states and i it was also there
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was also a study um i want to say was the hrc human rights campaign which is based here i think
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it might it might be worldwide but it's i think it's actually based in dc um where like every
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year they they they're mentioning trans and non-binary identities and queer more and more
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in their like yearly reports and the word lesbian wasn't even mentioned in the last two years or
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something and it makes us it makes young lesbians that are you know gender non-conforming which
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technically all lesbians are gender non-conforming if you really think about it right because we're
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not conforming to the expectation that we're supposed to date men so when you go when you
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dive into things and and look at them on a deeper level you know it's it's quite easy to see how a
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young lesbian or young gay boy would think that they're trans and this is happening more and more
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even on youtube there are people um that are coming out more and more as detransitioners and
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realizing that they did not have gender dysphoria and they just hated their bodies maybe they had
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dysmorphia or maybe they just were going through teenage bullshit i did that i hated my body for a
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long time because i wasn't feminine enough when that doesn't mean that being trans isn't real
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like it is clearly a real disorder like it's a real whatever you want to call it a disorder
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of you know a brain body disconnect or something it's a real thing but that because of the because
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the word trans has been watered down to literally mean absolutely nothing but an identity kids are
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very vulnerable teens are very vulnerable and they most of them just want to fit in um they're
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already you know some of them are already bullied or just feel ostracized in their community for
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whatever reason and they're like well everyone else is coming out as trans and they're being
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accepted and they're being loved and why don't I do that and it's it's not the case 100% of the
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time of course but it's happening more and more excuse me more and more um and if there's something
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to the reason I talk about it is because it is happening more often than not to people that are
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that are female and I think that says a lot too no it's it's happened to uh my former colleague
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and a friend her daughter recently came out a 12 year old girl a 12 year old girl came out and
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and told uh her mother my friend um where um when i transition not if when and at the age of 12 years
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old and it's part of the reason that we think oh yeah they're going to transition they don't realize
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the medical implication that this is having on your body and the fact is that you are going to
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become a medical patient for the rest of your life if you are a trans person right which which is
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unfortunate in itself i wish i wish there was like a cis pill and trans people will tell you
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that too like a true a true trans binary trans person right well we'll tell you like if there
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was a cis pill i would take it tomorrow and i i can't of course i can't imagine what that would
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feel like it's it's completely not even similar to being lgb at all um feeling like you're born
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in the wrong body or feeling like your body is in some way wrong yeah you wouldn't wish it on
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anyone i mean we've had a few trans people on our show talking to them about it and when they
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describe it you know it's not something you would wish on your worst enemy because it's not yeah
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not a pleasant experience but let me ask you this because one of the stats that we came out recently
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is that um acceptance of sexual minorities and trans people are included in that even though
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they're not really a sexual minority but anyway um has actually gone down quite significantly which
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is an incredible i mean you'd have to work really hard in the 21st century to get people to be less
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tolerant i know i know this is what do you put that down to well maybe it's because you know
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in the uk there are things like people punching you know woke femme woke um people on the woke
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left are punching 60 year old women for for going into a fucking basement in a library to talk about
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women's rights you know it's like and there's spray in vancouver they're spray painting rape
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you know rape uh crisis centers saying that only females are or have you not heard of this
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there's a rape there's a rape relief center in vancouver that was spray painted with turf and
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bigot and all these people because they wouldn't accept because they wouldn't accept trans women
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right well yeah because it because it's probably not the right place for them
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right you know what i mean like if they were raped i don't you know i don't even know i mean
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there are a lot of trans women that get raped yes i don't know if if they still belong like to me if
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i was i don't even know i've never been raped but i'm assuming if i had just been raped i would not
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want to see somebody with a penis next to me personally and and it's not that it's not again
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it's not like it's not a bigoted thing it's not has nothing to do with the person being trans it
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has to do with worrying about the person that had just been raped so if there's a way that they can
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fix that you know that maybe there's a way but people have to understand that it's it's not just
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like no we hate trans people it's like no we care about this female right who might be triggered by
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that hell the freaking trans woman alone is probably triggered by her own penis like most
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of the time you know what i mean like they don't want it there so i think hopefully i like you
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would think they would understand it a lot of them do that's the thing it's these it's these
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radical queer extremists that I usually talk about in my videos. It's not, it's usually not
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binary, you know, rational trans people. It's, it's these crazy extremists that want to break
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binaries, you know, which is funny because that's actually not helping trans people at all because
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trans people want to go from one to the other, right? They don't want to, they want to exist
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within the binary. They don't want to break it. Um, and, and a lot of them, I also noticed there's
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a ton of um i have a video about this coming out soon hopefully but i'm it's gonna take me a little
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while to do some research but there's an influx of cis straight white men um gamers on youtube
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uh that have been posting like hateful content about me and other like turfs um and i it makes
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me think you know like i just i sit there and i wonder why these people think that they are allowed
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to speak on issues again that don't affect them if you're a dude and you look like you and you
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look like you know francis and you're just walking around and and you know somebody like me comes
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into your bathroom i mean you're gonna be like okay like what the hell you're doing here but
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you're not gonna feel threatened you know what i mean you're not gonna get like you know it's a
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and ariel i really want to sort of explore this idea of women's safe spaces because i don't think
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men get it they just don't they they go i can't see what women are complaining about surely it's
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fine i don't and you use the example you use but isn't part of it the fact that women on the whole
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tend to be physically weaker than men which means that therefore you are more vulnerable so i always
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use the example of a nightclub where if a man chats to a woman and a woman feels that she's
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uncomfortable with the situation the one safe space that she has in order to get rid of the dude
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is to go and walk into the women's toilets he can't follow her she's safe that's very true too
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yeah yeah and if we remove that all of a sudden that safe space is gone that's true yeah that's
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that's what it's come to i've been in a nightclub uh where was i in savannah georgia it was an lgbt
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nightclub and there was this I mean he was he was good looking but like obviously not my type
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it's like very handsome tall black you seemingly so straight man and he comes up and starts talking
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to me and I'm like dude you're at a fucking gay bar like what are you doing you know what I mean
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like people just they just don't get it sometimes um so it's just to have somebody that looks me oh
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there was a really fun I'll give you an example there's a really funny tweet that somebody posted
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it's a um parody account and i think it's somebody was like how can we he was responding to somebody
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and the tweet that he was responding to said something like how can we tell um you know
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how can we deal with the trans women's uh bathroom issue and he got so stupid and he's like well we
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should just he was being like troll but he was like um i should say she because they identify
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as a trans woman but like have a beard and everything it's a troll account i don't even
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know if the dude is real but um she responded with we should have a button uh two buttons
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outside of a women's toilets or any safe space for women one that says yes i'm legitimately a
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trans woman and once one that says and then you press that one you go and one that says no
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i'm taking advantage of this situation and it's true it's like how could you really know
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it doesn't it's not like it's not like we're saying trans women have no women experience
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some of them do some of them legitimately live live their lives as women for a very long time
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but what happened like the whole idea of self-identification is what a lot of women
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are saying no to these are people that that look like you that can just call themselves women and
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expect to be treated as such when it's like you have no idea what it's like in my opinion
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you might like okay in your own head whatever whatever that means but if you went into a woman's
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space and didn't see to me that you that then you're not a real woman at all like if you if
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most women and i might be a nurture versus nature thing it might be very much a nurture thing
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if you are truly a woman like you say you are and you go into a space and you're not aware of how
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you're making other people around you feel you're not a woman because women are taught to be that
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way right since since i was very young as a kid you are taught to pay attention to how your actions
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and how you're even how your thoughts can make other people feel that that doesn't mean that
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men aren't like you know that that men also don't go through shit i'm not saying that but there are
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different privileges living as a man and living as a woman that neither sex will understand until
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they live as that you know no absolutely absolutely there's there's you know we we talk about you
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know the different what it's like to be a woman there's so for instance my girlfriend um I helped
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her I'm a comedian I helped her on a comedy club and at the end of the show we were letting people
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out and somebody felt a bit ill so I had to sort of go and help man the door get people out bring
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people in and my girlfriend came and stood right next to me and I'm like do you have to do this now
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is this the right moment to do this and she went I'm sorry I've got no choice there was a dude
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following me around the bar and he was really freaking me out and that's never happened to me
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as a man never and i doubt it could but it's unlikely yeah it's unlikely but that's something
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that i never have to worry about that i'm never concerned about and i think that's part of the
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problem is that men see we see the world through our eyes and somewhere women come out and go look
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there's this issue we go well it's not a problem for me so why don't you just grow up yeah and
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then and then i think again with a lot of these woke gamer bros you know i think they the funny
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the funny thing is and why I think this is happening I'm not 100% sure yet there's there's
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a there's like at least 10 or 15 of them now that are that are just I I think it's you know that
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they I think they want to seem woke because it's cool to be woke these days which is not actually
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woke at all in my opinion but I also think that they feel guilty before being cis straight and
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white like I really do I really do and a man I it's it's a weird thing it's you know it's it's
00:23:45.280
like the only way to please the far left if you are a cis straight white male is to be like I know
00:23:53.460
that I'm privileged I know that I'm this I know that I'm that I know that I'm that and everybody
00:23:56.640
else is a turf and everybody's transphobic and everyone's race it's like and that's what these
00:24:00.680
guys are doing like every single one of them so it just makes me question is this what they really
00:24:04.320
believe or are they guilt like are they do they feel guilty for being privileged or do they just
00:24:11.360
want a left-wing audience for whatever reason because most of the shit that they say isn't
00:24:17.560
woke like in any sense of the word um because first of all they're speaking over trans people
00:24:25.020
and they're speaking over females so as a man well if these guys are watching i'd just like
00:24:31.640
to say, guys, stop it. Just enjoy your privilege as a straight white man. It's not going to last
00:24:35.980
for very much longer. Just enjoy it. Don't feel guilty about it. Just be the straight white man
00:24:41.080
that you are. You shouldn't feel guilty about how you live through the world. What you should do is
00:24:49.400
be aware of how others have to go through it. There's a big difference. But talk to me about
00:24:54.920
the YouTube thing, because you said you had to make changes. What does that mean exactly? You
00:24:59.840
had to make changes in order to get your channel re-monetized what did that look like i had to
00:25:04.820
i had to just change the the wording in some of the videos like the titles and the thumbnails
00:25:09.500
um of the more controversial topics um i don't know if that's actually what helped me like they
00:25:17.840
don't tell you like why the channel is demonetized they just tell you it's they just say you know
00:25:22.980
it it's very vague i don't know how to actually say what they said because i don't remember
00:25:28.380
but it's it's not like this video has this wrong with it like they don't have time to do that
00:25:32.420
they're just like okay this channel's annoying me somebody complained about it probably i don't
00:25:36.580
know how it works and they're like fix some shit and then we'll get back to you because really like
00:25:41.180
what it comes down to so i just i think it was like 15 20 videos some of them i i privated or
00:25:46.820
deleted um some of them some of them were just like sexually explicit but like not even because
00:25:52.660
their sexual education um and i again i've been posting that kind of content for 10 years so why
00:25:58.700
now all of a sudden is there something wrong with it you know so i don't know if it's actually
00:26:04.960
youtube that had an issue with it um or if it was just a whole bunch of people you know spamming my
00:26:11.340
channel at once that had a problem like i really there's no way for me to know i just i just know
00:26:15.820
that i had to my even my network they were like well we'll give you some tips and you know i guess
00:26:21.620
what i'm getting that is do you think that if you were making content about you know i'm a you know
00:26:28.600
trans woman with a penis here's the best way to suck my dick do you think that would be
00:26:33.000
can i just say we're gonna clip that and i'm gonna make that go viral could you yeah just
00:26:38.400
just me saying that exactly that's exactly what i am i'm finally coming out as my true self francis
00:26:44.820
and you know what we could do we could put a little beat behind it and turn it into one of
00:26:48.380
those little dance anthems exactly that'd be brilliant but but do you think what i guess what
00:26:52.980
i'm on a serious point is what i'm getting at is if you were making content that was very woke and
00:26:58.640
progressive and you were you know coming at it from that angle and it was sexual in nature some
00:27:04.720
of your videos definitely have been always from way back when from 10 years ago yeah yeah do you
00:27:10.060
think that you would have had the same experience um i there's no way for me to tell like for sure
00:27:16.000
i i will say that since i started becoming less of a progressive i stopped being invited to youtube
00:27:24.280
events so we've never been invited i will say that um but i also know that the two people that
00:27:33.260
are like really cool with youtube that are part of the lgbt community hate me that that are like
00:27:39.680
you know involved in the youtube side of lgbt community like they actually have like a connection
00:27:44.580
with youtube or contact the youtube um one of them deals with the lgbt part of vidcon and they
00:27:52.040
despise me so i wouldn't be i wasn't surprised that i like wasn't invited to vidcon even though
00:27:56.840
i didn't want to go back anyway um because it was always during pride so that just kind of
00:28:02.020
would suck if i couldn't go to my own pride parade um but also just because vidcon itself has had
00:28:07.880
become super super super progressively woke you know and you can't like the it's literally the
00:28:17.240
like vidcon is the epitome of progressive youtube progressives on youtube um at least when i went
00:28:22.780
in 2016 i think was the year i went it was 2016 um and it's unfortunate because they're not allowing
00:28:31.380
the weird part of it is they're not allowing people that identify that that are women
00:28:36.640
that identify as women that present as women that are female to speak about their issues you know
00:28:41.980
it's only about um the q and the t at the moment which you know on the more serious topics anyway
00:28:48.260
of course they'll have coming out panels and stuff like that like great um but yeah i think
00:28:53.560
there are more serious issues that need to be addressed and people like you know rose of dawn
00:28:57.060
and blair white and um sophia there's there's a bunch of trans women that navigate those issues
00:29:02.600
very well in my opinion um and I take note of that and I'm like I respect them 10 times more
00:29:08.320
as women because they are again so aware of how their lives affect other women that's a woman
00:29:14.080
and it's true when you think about it right yeah the one thing that I I really wanted to talk to
00:29:20.880
you about Ariel was I see your journey and my journey has been similar because I'm traditionally
00:29:25.880
I would have seen myself always as being on the left I'm a former school teacher worked in 12
00:29:30.220
years you know underprivileged kids you would go yeah that's somebody on the left but more and more
00:29:36.280
I've just seen my own side go what I call tonto and I think I've never I can't I can't be part of
00:29:45.520
that what was a moment for you where you thought you know what I'm done I can't be part of this
00:29:50.680
anymore was there a specific moment or was it a gradual process it was a gradual like online it
00:29:56.580
was gradual i just started disagreeing like more and more with people and realized how crazy in my
00:30:04.920
opinion that how irrational their views were but what really solidified it for me was and i said
00:30:10.600
this in other interviews um i was i was going to vegas for to meet two front two two internet
00:30:16.840
friends of mine tara babcock who her name sounds like a porn star but she's not and my friend page
00:30:22.380
who actually was a porn star and we were going to film um you know sex positive videos and stuff
00:30:27.500
like that and Paige started her own uh porn company and Tara's just an awesome YouTuber
00:30:32.720
um and I had never met either of them in person and Tara and I had just become friends so she
00:30:37.820
didn't really like know much about me um and then when we finally met in person she was like oh I
00:30:42.400
saw you know I'm so glad that you're that you're really chill and that you're you know super open
00:30:46.760
minded because when I saw your your Twitter profile it said like women empowerment and it
00:30:50.860
had a little gay rainbow flag and i thought you were one of those crazy people and i was like okay
00:30:54.540
like i can't even have a fucking rainbow flag in my bio anymore because people associate that with
00:31:00.780
crazies like people need to know that i am not one of those people um because i don't yeah i refuse
00:31:07.920
to be people that that that are anti-science and anti-logic and it just makes us all
00:31:15.660
it just makes us all look like lunatics and i think that's the truth of why you know the rate
00:31:23.740
of lgbt acceptance is down it's not actual lesbians and gays and bisexuals it's the queer
00:31:30.060
the radical queer and trans activists again not even binary trans people usually because they're
00:31:35.200
usually really cool like blair it's everybody kind of in the middle you know um and especially
00:31:43.220
young kids because they are they have the most time on their hands they're the loudest
00:31:46.960
and they're also the they haven't had the experience yet so they think they fucking
00:31:52.280
know everything you know what I mean yeah I just don't know if there's a word for that but um
00:31:56.240
the arrogance of youth yeah yeah I guess that's the way yeah they are they're very arrogant in
00:32:01.580
in their in their in their youth yeah and Ariel do you think that there's a danger like because
00:32:08.080
the reality is most people are saying reasonable rational you sit down you talk with them you go
00:32:14.480
okay i can we disagree but i get where you're coming from i don't believe that but i understand
00:32:19.280
your reasons for believing it are we now in this world where we get these very very small minority
00:32:24.560
of people who are incredibly loud and we believe that is the argument when actually it isn't
00:32:29.880
they're just a couple of nutters on twitter who because they're so loud they're so angry they're
00:32:34.260
so polarizing they get these huge numbers following them so we think that they're actually
00:32:39.380
the important ones and they're not they're just nutters yes but yes i agree with you but that
00:32:44.480
doesn't mean that just because they're a very small minority a very loud small minority doesn't
00:32:49.420
mean that they're actually not making waves like they are you know um which is why otherwise i'd
00:32:56.680
just be like okay they're just like shouting out into the fucking void but situations like with
00:33:01.720
sydney mardi gras i was invited out there um to speak and these the crazies on twitter you know
00:33:07.420
made a petition about me a thousand people signed it not meanwhile none of these people actually
00:33:11.660
came to the event of course not they're not gonna come to the event um and they made it out to see
00:33:16.480
to be for me to be they made it out as if i was this terrible person and just my existence being
00:33:23.720
in australia was triggering for them it's like and but they but they got sydney mardi gras to
00:33:29.880
take our event off of their website because the truth is as small as a minority that they are
00:33:35.740
um those are the types of people that will show up and throw bricks at your windows
00:33:41.780
and sydney market doesn't want to deal with that you know what i mean yeah gay pride parade doesn't
00:33:48.140
want to deal with that so they just they just cave they cave to the crazies and it's it's the
00:33:53.140
sad thing is i get messages every single day and most even most lgbt people that are creators
00:33:58.680
either writers um you know bloggers instagrams whatever youtubers we i would say 99 of us well
00:34:07.680
maybe not 99 of us 95 of us agree with everything that i say and are just terrified to talk about
00:34:14.480
it they won't because they're afraid to lose brand deals um they're afraid to you know upset a
00:34:19.900
younger you know section of their audience but i'm not afraid of that like i mean there's a lot
00:34:25.340
of young kids that still follow me but those are also the people that hate me the most and i think
00:34:30.580
it would be mental for me to continue to try to win over people that already hate me it's just
00:34:37.820
not good for my mental health and my well-being so i i want to stand by my morals and i wanted
00:34:43.020
to gain a different audience of people that are rational and and level-headed and can have an
00:34:49.180
actual conversation and and not just scream turf into the you know scream turf at me on twitter
00:34:55.900
and call me all these names but actually having a solid argument um and how is that because
00:35:03.200
it must be really really tough because you know to come out automatically you're saying i'm
00:35:09.220
different to the vast majority of people right so that automatically makes you an outsider that's
00:35:14.800
I imagine is one of the tough things about being gay, LGBT, all the rest of it.
00:35:26.220
So you are now effectively isolating yourself from the people that you should be affiliating
00:35:34.380
It's not tough on my ego because I know my own worth, but it's tough on my brand.
00:35:41.860
um but it is it's doing better now like people are the people that are watching my content now
00:35:48.860
are like i don't see it like the comments that i get are like why does everybody hate this girl
00:35:52.760
like she's literally saying nothing wrong and i'm like thank god because like i i knew that but
00:35:58.100
like you see the same comments for for six five six years since 2014 you know since i started
00:36:04.360
posting uh more t and q content um you know all the negative comments they didn't get to me as
00:36:11.520
much as people would assume because I do have a very strong sense of self but it made me question
00:36:16.460
myself and question my not question my self-worth but question my ability to communicate properly
00:36:24.480
because I'm like was I saying the wrong thing and it's like no these people just aren't
00:36:27.600
understanding what I'm saying I've said it a hundred different ways yeah they just don't
00:36:31.420
want to hear it and that's on you know at that point I'm like it's on them and I'm just not
00:36:35.980
even going to try to change my wording anymore like i i've changed so much the way i've changed
00:36:41.940
so much of the way that i say things over the years for the better i do think that a lot of
00:36:45.960
things that i used to say back then weren't perfectly worded um so i have learned a lot
00:36:51.220
from that community but at this point you know when when the word woman is meaningless i i can't
00:36:57.640
get behind that no so it's talking about changing the the words that you use do you feel having had
00:37:03.760
this demonetization episode where essentially you're told there's something wrong with your
00:37:08.400
channel you're not told what it is you you have to make changes as best you can to try and understand
00:37:14.540
what it was that got you demonetized in the first place are you now kind of having to self-censor
00:37:19.940
yourself going forward because just for people who don't know you you know your channel has
00:37:23.980
over 600 000 subscribers so your advertising revenue from that would be quite significant
00:37:30.200
uh so to lose that but it's not yeah um but but still i mean i imagine i just basing it off on us
00:37:38.140
and you know having a hundred thousand subscribers uh you know you can make a living uh with i
00:37:43.500
imagine you know having six hundred thousand subscribers um so to you're essentially having
00:37:49.160
that threatened over the fact that you've started to talk about a particular issue are you now
00:37:56.040
feeling like you have to censor yourself going forward in order to protect
00:37:59.720
your livelihood um i do but i won't like i'm gonna stand by my morals i've always been that
00:38:08.660
kind of person maybe it's because i'm a new yorker um but it it hit me that that's the first
00:38:17.040
time my channel's ever been hit like that i don't even think i had any like strikes on my channel
00:38:22.020
ever you know what i mean so it and it was just funny that it all happened a month after i came
00:38:27.120
out with that video so it doesn't make me question things um but even even so it's like i'm not even
00:38:33.720
far right i'm just not super progressive left anymore and i still support the majority of left
00:38:39.620
you're not like like 50 like again i'm i think i'm like a libertarian is what people call
00:38:45.640
which is what the old left is so i've always been left it's just the left moved even further
00:38:50.220
so I don't know what I don't know I part of me just thinks that YouTube found like an easy way
00:38:58.020
to target me maybe um but at the same time the more I talk about things that I actually believe
00:39:06.240
in and I've always did that but controversial things that I believe in will say that because
00:39:10.600
I never really touched on controversial topics like this um the more I'm getting support
00:39:17.080
monetarily from individual viewers uh which ideally and hopefully would would level out
00:39:25.340
the AdSense because I don't make much money on AdSense anyway because most of my videos are
00:39:29.040
controversial and sexually explicit not even sexually explicit but sexual topics so I don't
00:39:34.320
really get ads on those videos anyway um but on the topics that I don't talk about either of those
00:39:39.740
things I'm missing a few hundred bucks a month so it did suck you know and Ariel what why do you
00:39:46.160
think it is that we seem to expect people who are in the LGBT community or an ethnic minority
00:39:54.220
to somehow be left and if they espouse views or say things that are not on the left
00:40:01.520
we see it as being problematic and want to expel them why is that I think it's just the group
00:40:08.480
thinking hive mind mentality I think that we assume well not we but people on the left assume
00:40:15.560
that anyone that doesn't think like them is either stupid or a grifter which I hate that word because
00:40:23.180
everyone's calling me that now and it's like I wish I was because the far far far right channels
00:40:28.000
have not even looked at me yet um well welcome to the club wait till that happens because then
00:40:33.260
they start attacking you as well we've had right like that's not gonna happen we're left-wing
00:40:37.440
grifters on Monday and right-wing grifters on Tuesday and then back to being far left on
00:40:41.880
Wednesday it's just that's just that's just the turf that you're on now yeah yeah exactly um I did
00:40:48.820
an interview uh with one of my new friends David who is a Trump supporter uh more conservative
00:40:54.980
I don't even know if he considers himself a Republican but he made and even if I disagree
00:40:59.660
with his politics it has nothing to do with that the point of the video was stop bullying gay Trump
00:41:04.000
supporters stop bullying people that disagree with you actually have a sit-down conversation
00:41:08.460
with them see where they're coming from and you'll realize they're not they're not all terrible
00:41:11.040
people and one of the things he said in the video was brilliant and he said the left the progressive
00:41:18.320
left focuses so much on diversity diversity of of of uh gender sexual orientation skin color
00:41:25.940
age whatever and he's like but they all think the same what about what why not diversity of thought
00:41:31.200
like why why do we all have to think the same and i was like fuck like smart dude i was like i didn't
00:41:36.660
even think of that like i i i obviously thought of it but the way he worded it was perfectly
00:41:41.580
um yeah diversity of thought is what the left unfortunately is is well what the lgbt community
00:41:48.940
is lacking um you know but it's not just the lgbt community it's any minority any minority yeah but
00:41:55.960
it's like we are both comedians in the comedy industry it's the same you know people are
00:42:00.400
progressed and promoted and pushed for who they are instead of what they what they think or what
00:42:05.380
their comedy is you know so I think it kind of happens everywhere do you think there's a space
00:42:10.700
to be carved out in the middle because I'm very much kind of in the center politically Francis is
00:42:15.040
a kind of rejected lefty you kind of are starting to realize that you are as well and and the
00:42:22.580
question that people always and like I get asked like why I'm conservative all the time and I keep
00:42:27.460
having to say that I'm not actually conservative like I did an interview with somebody that a few
00:42:31.620
weeks ago and that was their opening question and people assume all the time that if you're not
00:42:36.760
far left you're on the other side do you think there's a space to be just carved out somewhere
00:42:42.340
in the middle for like sensible people who you know they have their own views on things but they
00:42:47.360
still don't reject science completely and they don't uh you know they don't go down the crazy
00:42:53.380
rabbit holes of the far right or the far left yeah i think there's more i think luckily because
00:42:58.840
of people um like dave rubin and and blair just anybody in the lgbt community that isn't left
00:43:06.600
that isn't super left they don't even have to be conservative because neither of them are like
00:43:09.960
truly conservative um it's carving out space for the rest of us to be like wait i can i cannot be
00:43:16.400
like super wokey and progressivey and lefty and believe in 87 genders um i think just speaking
00:43:23.680
about it helps. Uh, and I think more P I've gotten more comments and more likes on my videos
00:43:29.580
than ever before. Like, so I think people were afraid to talk about it until somebody else
00:43:35.900
started talking about it, which was the same for me until people like Blair and, and, and Dave
00:43:40.960
Rubin and, um, you know, even Buck Angel, who's not conservative. He's, he's a lefty, but he's,
00:43:45.900
he's very aware of science. He's a trans guy and, you know, pasta, one of the first transsexual
00:43:50.540
porn stars and he's just a sweetheart all for female spaces you know because you know even
00:43:56.040
trans men that are female experience different things to cis men you know um but he's just
00:44:01.600
awesome and luckily the the rise in popularity of those people gave way for people like myself
00:44:07.640
to speak more openly about what they believe you know and when do you think because you look at a
00:44:16.040
lot of the media and well i can't really speak uh about the media in the uk which is very very
00:44:20.920
left dominated it's very very progressive the liberal arts very very progressive as well
00:44:25.880
when do you think our type of voices are going to become more acceptable in the mainstream do
00:44:32.060
you think that's going to happen sooner rather than later would you do you just see this situation
00:44:36.720
getting worse which is what i think is going to happen sadly you're just you're just a depressive
00:44:43.260
i think either way it's job security for us because we have more to talk about
00:44:50.300
so i don't know i think i i mean i hope that people start to come to their senses more and
00:44:55.840
stop denying science um and i think people are getting fed up with the crazy far left which is
00:45:01.480
why the rate of acceptance is down for us so i think people are are realizing that they need
00:45:06.180
to be more vocal and it's happening just at a very slow rate because people are still very scared
00:45:09.660
they're still really afraid and why do you think they're afraid is it because you know people stand
00:45:16.040
a very real chance of losing livelihoods jobs absolutely oh absolutely they've told me and
00:45:23.000
there's there's also articles written about it that because you have to remember a lot of lgbt
00:45:26.060
people already work in um the arts field arts and humanities fields that tend to be more
00:45:32.700
progressive you know what i mean like how many like gay men accountants do you know
00:45:36.320
like obviously there's a lot but in general like i used to work in advertising like half of the
00:45:43.440
company was lgbt i don't know why we fluctuate that way we just we flock to it i mean um we just
00:45:49.980
do um maybe because it's good to express ourselves or who the hell knows but lgbt people tend to
00:45:55.900
gravitate more towards the arts yeah creative fields of various fields yeah um and that's that's
00:46:03.920
where the unfortunate not unfortunately that's where the most progressive minds tend to be
00:46:07.580
so when you're more you know center or right it's I would imagine it's it's super difficult to
00:46:14.120
to come out like my the kid David he's like I've had nothing he's like I came out as conservative
00:46:20.020
and I got nothing but hate from the left and nothing but love from the right he's like they
00:46:23.460
don't care I'm gay they do not care if I'm gay they don't care if I want to get married they
00:46:27.800
just they it's like for them it's more I think more people now are conservative economically
00:46:33.220
more than conservative socially and I think people get that mixed up as well yeah there is a big
00:46:40.060
difference it's interesting because it depends what you mean by it for example in the UK a lot
00:46:45.580
of people are actually being revealed as socially conservative but our conversation is very different
00:46:50.200
to yours so acceptance of you know gay people is is completely universal I would say but when we
00:46:56.600
talk about something like immigration that you know reluctance or resistance to mass immigration
00:47:01.680
would be a conservative issue that a lot of people hold would disagree right yeah yeah right uh but
00:47:07.900
anyway look thanks very much for coming on uh it's good to know your channel has been re-monetized
00:47:12.020
uh i have a sneaky suspicion that you're gonna you're gonna end up back back in that position
00:47:17.560
at some point if you continue uh but then you know that's all of us right now isn't it with
00:47:22.260
with the way that things are going uh the last question we always ask arielle is what's the one
00:47:27.300
thing that no one is talking about that we should be talking about as a society i think i'm going
00:47:34.020
to stick it with with the lesbian issues i think more people need to listen to issues that affect
00:47:39.380
females and stop trying to be super woke about gender politics at the moment and actually listen
00:47:46.800
to why a lot of females are rejecting it all right listen to women that's never going to catch on
00:47:51.300
certainly not in russia mate i'm from russia so yeah not where i'm from for sure but we'll see
00:47:58.140
if we can make it catch on here in the west ariel thank you so much if people want to follow your
00:48:03.280
work uh where do they go for that they could just search my name on on any of the platforms and i'll
00:48:08.180
come up perfect all right well thanks for coming on and we'll take care we'll see you again