00:02:02.120I wasn't allowed to compete within the competition, so I was competing outside the competition just because I enjoyed the sport and I wanted to do the best that I could.
00:02:15.460But so as the years came by, I wanted to really involve other women because I knew I wasn't the only crazy out there that wanted to do this.
00:02:26.940So by and large, I started getting in contact with other women, other officials.
00:02:33.920We had our first national competition in 1981.
00:02:38.080that grew into involving more countries as I became more aware and more connected with the
00:02:45.480international weightlifting community. So we had our first world championship in 1987,
00:02:52.460but my dream had always been to get weightlifting into the Olympics. So I just made so many more
00:03:02.420contacts, which led me to thinking that this might be a possibility. So long story short,
00:03:09.360we did get the women's weightlifting into the Olympics in 2000, which was amazing. I had the
00:03:17.040opportunity to, by that time, Mike, my weightlifting career on the platform had long since been gone,
00:03:26.540But I did have the opportunity to be an official at that Olympic.
00:03:33.340So I was just so pleased to see these women on the platform.
00:03:37.780During this time, I also was dealing with, or shortly after this time, I should say,
00:03:43.420I started dealing with my son who announced that he was transgender.
00:03:48.880So I have this background in my family dealing with this issue now that has entered
00:03:54.900the weightlifting arena. So that is my background. And that is the subject of your second book,
00:04:02.560dealing with your son and that story. So let's talk first of all about the weightlifting part
00:04:11.020of it. I imagine that when you were doing this in the 70s and the 80s and later, you were not
00:04:18.120exactly being embraced by many of the men who were competing in weightlifting. I imagine it
00:04:24.640would not have been easy am i right oh no no oh yes there were many raised eyebrows many words
00:04:33.140exchanged uh fortunately my husband uh was kind of a buffer but as i would be in these competitions
00:04:42.400and would say want to warm up on the platform before my lifts oh my goodness the the comments
00:04:48.800What is she doing here? She has no right being here. And they would scorn and they would essentially give me the impression that I was totally invading their sacred space.
00:05:02.800But the meat directors would allow me again to compete. They said, no, you cannot compete within the competition, but you can certainly compete outside the competition.
00:05:16.240So it took a long time before we could convince the weightlifting community that women could do this.
00:05:25.300And that's one of the things I might add that I really wanted to get across to the public as the women started to compete,
00:05:35.180that these were women who really appreciated the sport.
00:05:39.000They were knowledgeable about the sport.
00:05:42.480they could do the technique and we were athletes first we weren't out there to
00:05:48.120burst the the as it were the ceiling of men's weightlifting but we just wanted to compete as
00:05:55.880athletes and you say you just wanted to compete as athletes you must have had such a tremendous
00:06:01.760sense of pride you know to take a sport that was very much at the margins and then bring it into
00:06:08.120the mainstream with the olympics oh i was just i i was i was on the jury at the olympic games and
00:06:15.440i just sat there with with such emotion that these women to use the expression did me proud
00:06:23.080they were such technicians they they carried themselves like women they carried themselves
00:06:31.560like athletes and i couldn't have been more proud of the way they conducted themselves
00:06:37.800and their performances they lifted fantastic so I was I was like a mother hen as it were
00:06:44.600so and this is kind of what I think we're getting at the the process of getting women the opportunity
00:06:51.960to compete on a par with men in the Olympics is something that you and other people like you had
00:06:58.060to fight for for a period of time which brings us on to the conversation that is being had now
00:07:04.320about this issue where, you know, depending on how you see it, some people would argue that
00:07:10.300that opportunity is now being taken away from women with someone like Laurel Hubbard coming in.
00:07:17.200What is your take on that whole situation? I have a lot of takes on that whole situation.
00:07:24.200We got an hour, Judy, so you go for it.
00:07:26.280First of all, I believe that with your comment about our getting into women's sports, we did fight so hard for women, not only in weightlifting, but in other sports, to compete on an equal playing field.
00:07:46.880We tried very hard to get access to coaches, to facilities, to equipment that would just allow us as women to compete in something that we truly did enjoy.
00:08:01.780So when these opportunities came about, we embraced them and we competed against women.
00:08:10.200And I think that that was the main thing that I wanted.
00:08:13.500I didn't want to compete against the men.
00:08:16.240I wanted to compete against women. That's where my heart was. That's where I felt I could
00:08:23.360contribute most was to give the opportunity to women who enjoyed what I did. I knew,
00:08:30.420as I put before, I wasn't the only crazy. And as I found out, I wasn't. There's a whole world
00:08:37.100of women out there that really did enjoy weightlifting. So I wanted to give them the
00:08:42.600opportunity to compete on that equal footing, women against women. And it came about not only
00:08:51.000in weightlifting, but in the other sports as well. So when we are addressing this whole transgender
00:08:58.260issue, that comes on several levels. When I first saw that she was going to compete,
00:09:07.700uh a lot of emotions uh frustration uh a little bit of anger but the the sense that that my work
00:09:18.120and not only mine but so many other women who have and i might add that i didn't pioneer this
00:09:25.460on my own i had so much help and so uh i'm i'm just kind of the the face of weightlifting at
00:09:33.600this point, but so many other women were involved in getting us to get the women's
00:09:40.000into the Olympics. So when it came to this issue, I felt rather betrayed. I felt anxious for
00:09:51.600the next generation of women weightlifters, because what are they going to face if we keep
00:09:59.920going down the trail that we are. So, for example, and we're talking about the IOC,
00:10:07.620the International Olympic Committee, has changed their policy through the years. And this is what
00:10:12.840really concerns me about where this is going with this whole agenda, that first of all, when
00:10:20.980we first started competing internationally, and the women kind of made a joke about this,
00:10:27.140we had gender testing that was we swabbed the the cheek and and there were actual chromosome testing
00:10:34.820and we kind of joked that we had a little card that said we were a genuine female that's not
00:10:42.740such a joke anymore so that became the standard by which we were competing women against women
00:10:51.240Then the IOC said, well, we're not really concerned with that.
00:11:01.200And that's about the time when the transgender community really hadn't come along in force much before that time.
00:11:12.500There were a few that were making some inroads with other sports.
00:11:17.560So I think the IOC made this change from the chromosome testing to if you are going to compete as a woman, then you need to have surgery.
00:11:31.100Well, as time goes on, the transgender community made some more issues and said, well, some of the athletes can't afford that.
00:11:42.860They are not going to go to that length.
00:11:44.960So they relaxed that, and now they are only testing for testosterone.
00:11:51.020My feeling is if they have gone that far in relaxing all of these regulations for transgender, are they now going to relax them further and say, well, now you only have to identify as a woman?
00:12:12.980We in Washington State, I'm on the West Coast of the United States, and in my state and in several other states, that is the only criteria that some boys can compete against girls is say, I identify as a girl.
00:12:28.480So this is what really concerns me as this progresses, is that we are accommodating a very, very, very few to the exclusion of women.
00:12:45.480So what I'm saying is that we are accommodating the wants of a few against the needs of the many.
00:12:53.020so as this begins to be more invasive women are going to be hurt by this if if men only have to
00:13:04.420say they identify as a woman that gives them perfect access and the law now is going to
00:13:10.880accommodate that that they have access to locker rooms to restrooms to any other women's spaces so
00:13:20.120this is not just sports. This is across the board in our culture. And I am very fearful
00:13:26.740for our women because of this whole idea that has come across. So yes, I have a lot of passion
00:13:38.080about this whole identity and this gender. I hate to use the word praise, but unfortunately
00:13:47.420for the young people it has become a craze and I can say a whole lot more about that as well
00:13:56.180so if you want to interject no we're finding you very interesting and on the show we love to hear
00:14:02.840our guests talk Judy I'm going to slightly push back on that so let's take the case of Laurel
00:14:08.600as far as I know and correct me if I'm wrong she had to be below a certain testosterone level
00:14:15.080when she competed, then surely isn't that enough?
00:14:19.440Doesn't that put her on equal footing with all the other athletes?
00:14:22.980And look, trans rights activists would say, if she had such an advantage,
00:14:28.640then how come she lost in the first round?
00:14:33.400Well, first of all, if we parlay that out, we can say, all right,
00:14:40.600if you're going to go buy testosterone, are you going to test everybody
00:14:43.780for testosterone. And given there are some women, biological women, that have a fairly high
00:14:52.340testosterone level, are you going to keep them out just because their testosterone level
00:14:57.760is slightly higher? So this not only affects them, but it affects all the other women as well.
00:15:04.480Judy, sorry to interject there, but actually you say that as a theoretical, actually at these very
00:15:10.540olympics that are occurring as we speak that has happened several women have been excluded not from
00:15:16.300weightlifting but from other competitions precisely because of that and so it very much speaks to your
00:15:21.920point and by the way the point francis is making is very much a devil's advocate i think we i think
00:15:26.580it's also important to get into the fact that testosterone alone isn't the only thing that is
00:15:31.580the difference between men and women, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. I firmly believe that
00:15:40.340God created men and women. There are only two genders and your gender is assigned at birth.
00:15:47.880You're either a man or a woman, a girl or a boy. So you are given those testosterone. And yes,
00:15:54.480some men have higher estrogen levels. Some women have higher testosterone levels. This is all part
00:16:01.440of being who we are as those individuals so as you're saying that in and of itself doesn't make
00:16:08.720you a man or a woman so um that point addressed uh as far as her performance goes yes she may
00:16:18.580have had some of these or or this testosterone level within those limits but given her age she
00:16:25.420She was 43 years old, and it is very, very rare that a woman can compete on that level at that age.
00:16:45.920There's a lot of different factors why she did what she did.
00:16:49.720She's not the only one that, to use the way the expression, bombed out.
00:16:54.640That is, she did not make a lift. There are unfortunately other lifters, very much male, very much female that did the same thing. So that in and of itself, I don't think her performance really speaks to that issue.
00:17:13.720Well, right. You're not comparing like with like. The fact that a 43-year-old athlete bombed out while competing with 25-year-olds, isn't this? So I guess in a way, the fact that Laurel Hubbard made it to the Olympics at the age of 43 shows, to some extent, the advantage that Laurel Hubbard had, right? And give us some figures, because this would be interesting. On your personal, did you continue to try and compete by the time you were 43?
00:17:41.300oh i hung on as long as i could so my uh like i said we we started the our nationals the u.s
00:17:51.340nationals in 1981 i had already been lifting 10 years before that um but i continued to progress
00:18:00.340i won uh four national championships uh and then that's when i started to to wane that's when my
00:18:09.220lifting my best lifting was about 30 my early 30s maybe uh middle 30s and i stride and as we
00:18:17.780got more into international competition and i saw the olympics coming on i said oh my goodness i got
00:18:23.300to try but there was no way uh and that's when i started to compete on at 40 on the master's level
00:18:31.260And my lifts were nowhere near, uh, by that time, what they were at, at my peak in my
00:18:49.080My best, uh, snatch was 82 and a half and kilos.
00:18:54.220and my best clean jerk was uh 97 and a half kilos as i started to compete on uh on the master's
00:19:06.120level my snatch on a good day was probably 60 um clean and jerk maybe uh 75 right so you know by
00:19:17.920that time they were they were definitely coming down and believe me i i tried my best i trained
00:19:24.900and i i did all that i could to hang on to that but but scientifically uh you do start losing
00:19:33.560muscle mass particularly in women at least by the age of 40 so to try to keep that level at that age
00:19:44.040As contrast, we have only a few men who generally keep their strength later than women.
00:19:52.740We have only a few men that have been able to keep their strength up into their 40s, into the 41, 42, 43, up around that age.
00:20:04.140So it's even very difficult for men to do that.
00:20:07.160And so what you're saying is that it's utterly remarkable that Laurel Hubbard could then compete at that level, really, particularly if she was classified as a woman. It's unheard of, essentially.
00:20:22.040I truly think so. I think that it is a rarity.
00:20:28.140Hey, Constantine, how are you feeling?
00:21:59.840and i can't believe i'm going to ask you this question but i think it's important
00:22:06.060why is it so important that we protect women's sports in your opinion from transgender athletes
00:22:13.080from people who want to compete i think it's it's important on a couple levels first of all
00:22:18.680like i said to to uh well let me cite for example um a case going on right now in the united states
00:22:26.360Two women who are track athletes, they were competing at the high school level.
00:22:34.980A transgender boy identified as a woman competed against them, subsequently broke records that the events that these girls were competing in.
00:22:47.680And unfortunately, because he was competing as a woman and getting ranked first in these events, breaking these records, they lost their college scholarships because of this.
00:23:04.880So this is the ramification that is happening right now in our time.
00:23:11.160And these are not the only girls that are going to be affected.
00:23:14.140If they make this rule across the board that all you have to do is identify as a girl or as a woman and compete in girl sports, we are going to really set women's sports back years because of the lost opportunities that they are going to have competing against women on these higher levels.
00:23:41.520My next concern is the message that these people are giving to the next generation of not only sportsmen, sportswomen, those women that want to compete in sports as athletes and so forth, but these younger girls in general saying,
00:24:00.480look at what, what these, I can do this. It's no big deal. I, I think I'm a boy.
00:24:07.740So unfortunately we have made this so easy. And now, unfortunately we are now even making this
00:24:17.600so accessible that when a youngster, and we're talking four and five years old, if they express
00:24:27.700any kind of interest in the opposite gender, then they are, and I will use the word forcibly
00:24:35.340because that is exactly what's happening. The doctors, the parents, the teachers are obligated
00:24:42.640to transition that youngster as young as possible. That is the biggest mistake we can make. And
00:24:52.860Unfortunately, the more the media plays with all these transgenders and the more I quote unquote opportunities they are giving them, they are just encouraging this whole transgender agenda as soon as possible for these youngsters.
00:25:11.100And they have no business doing that. I heard one pediatrician say that this is the worst form of child abuse that he has ever seen. And unfortunately, it is going that way.
00:25:22.860And we know that a youngster, and I know from my own experience, when I was young, I liked boy things.
00:26:13.080And that's what they're saying with these youngsters is that the greater percentage is up into the almost the 90 percent that these children grow out of it.
00:26:25.440So as we we transition these youngsters into this, we are forcing them into this whole area that they should never have been entered into.
00:26:37.220By the time they get into puberty and we've given them puberty blockers and we have told them to transition into that opposite gender, they are very, very confused.
00:26:50.460We are seeing suicide rates unbelievable. And the argument, I will say, is that, well, my son or daughter had threatened suicide like my son did. He threatened suicide.
00:27:06.880But my point is, yes, there is a dysphoria between the mind and the body.
00:27:13.860But my point is, can we not try to get the mind in line with the body rather than going through all of this mutilation of the body to bring it in line with the mind?
00:27:57.680it is illegal for a pastor, for a parent, for any professional health care, illegal for a teacher
00:28:05.740to encourage any conversion therapy. That is to say that if you're questioning your gender
00:28:14.820and you think, well, maybe I really should. I'm really not a boy like I thought it was. I really
00:28:22.800am a girl no you're no you you're we're transitioning you into a boy what situation
00:28:31.700does this put the child in uh judy this is something we've covered on the show uh quite a
00:28:36.000bit but just coming back to sport because i do want to uh bring up the the the the suicide and
00:28:42.720all of that side of it because i do think it's a big part of the conversation just coming back to
00:28:47.180the sport for a moment some people might say uh the counter argument to many of the things you're
00:28:53.660saying is well look you were a pioneer in in in women's sports and you would be turning up to
00:28:59.120gyms i imagine and feeling like there's no place for you there and you didn't quite fit in and if
00:29:04.100it weren't for your husband who was supporting and encouraging you uh you really would have been
00:29:08.940an outcast and an outlier in that environment and you had to fight and fight and fight to be given
00:29:13.980the opportunity to be included to be represented to be seen you had to work with other people like
00:29:19.700you other women to get the chance to compete surely you can empathize with someone these
00:29:26.240people would argue uh you can empathize with someone who currently feels like they're being
00:29:31.060excluded they are not able to compete they don't have the opportunity uh to perform at the olympics
00:29:36.440uh in the gender identity that they very strongly feel that they are
00:29:40.680well i i feel that i i obeyed the rules as it were the rule stated that weightlifting was for
00:29:54.900men that's fine i competed outside of the competition until we could get women against
00:30:04.300women i think this is a whole different avenue because it carries so much more of the ramifications
00:30:11.000and they do have their own games they have the gay games they which includes the lgbtq community
00:30:21.520so in that respect they say okay well we have and and to answer your question they have gone to
00:30:29.940like people they have garnered their group and they have formed their their competitions
00:30:37.460against who they are but when it comes to the olympics the olympics is exclusionary between
00:30:44.760men and women that is the point that i i the the olympics is a a to me a very sacred ground
00:30:55.020It has been for years and years. So unfortunately, when you start going down this road, that's what I'm saying is that you may be excluded.
00:31:07.200Just like Laurel, what women did she step over, as it were, to get to that position?
00:31:17.820there were many women that fought very, very hard to get to that Olympic podium, to get to that
00:31:25.080Olympic stage. And they weren't allowed to do that because of what she did. So that's where I'm
00:31:33.340coming from in women's sports. Let women compete against women. Because if we don't, then you're
00:31:40.940opening up a whole new can of worms. And these women, what are they going to say? It might
00:31:47.040really come down to the point to where there the women are being frustrated and said what's the
00:31:52.440use if that guy says that he's a girl i have no chance so why so uh we're putting this in that
00:32:01.680sort of vein and i am very concerned that we're opening up this very big uh can of worms as it
00:32:09.500were when it comes to women competing on these higher levels. Certainly on the lower level,
00:32:18.300like I mentioned, on these states that just say, you can just say you're a girl and have at it.
00:32:26.700And these girls that have striven so hard, they have trained so hard, they miss their opportunities.
00:32:33.700And Judy, what is the attitude towards these transgender athletes amongst female athletes?
00:32:41.560I'm not really sure. To be real honest, I haven't had the opportunity to really question them.
00:32:50.740I will say, kind of on that vein, they did a gender testing was done up until about 1998 with the chromosomes.
00:33:02.120then uh uh there was kind of an uproar saying oh well these these women feel violated and they feel
00:33:10.800like they're being uh uh and intruded upon their they're questioning my my gender however they sent
00:33:19.240a questionnaire to 3 000 athletes asking them two questions number one do you feel violated by
00:33:27.260questioning your gender and number two would you like this to continue they got out of that
00:33:34.440over 3 000 they got almost a thousand responses back the overwhelming response over 80 to 85 percent
00:33:43.580said yes we want this to continue and 90 over 90 percent said i do not feel violated
00:33:52.980So from that, I, and granted, this was years ago,
00:33:57.360but I still feel that that probably would be the same today,
00:34:03.520that women would want that same thing.
00:34:06.200They want to be equal on that footing.
00:34:09.980And Judy, do you think Laurel Hubbard marks the start of a pattern
00:34:14.400where we're going to start to see more and more transgender athletes
00:34:18.000competing in elite sport, elite female sport?
00:34:20.920We could. It all depends on the ILC. If they continue to relax the criteria, then I think it will. And not only in our, yes, I think across the board in Olympic sports, the door is definitely open. And I think there are many that will go through that door.
00:34:46.360Judy let me ask you another stupid question
00:34:48.460I know we're asking you quite a lot of them
00:35:16.360Um, well, for example, we just watched the, the super heavyweights and, uh, Lasha, uh, lifted 585 pounds. I forget the kilos, 200 and some odd kilos. I'm sorry. Um, we're so used to pounds over here.
00:35:35.980Um, but, um, uh, an enormous amount of weight, super heavyweight and, uh, our, uh, the, the, uh, super heavyweight in the women lifted close to 400 pounds, I do believe.
00:35:56.380Um, so, you know, there's, there's a big, big gap.
00:36:01.240And what if that male lifter was to take some kind of testosterone suppressants or something to lower their testosterone? Would that immediately make them into, would that reduce their performance to women's levels?
00:36:15.180i can't say that it that it actually would because there you know there's there's so many
00:36:22.000other factors other than that so i hesitate to say yes or no on on that particular i would say
00:36:29.660just off the top of my head that yeah testosterone makes a makes a difference um that's pretty much
00:36:36.900why men have testosterone and can do the things they do and women have a lower testosterone
00:36:42.880on the entire estrogen but what i'm getting at is there are other physiological differences between
00:36:48.240men and women on the the shape of the hips the angle of the legs and the size of the heart the
00:36:54.860lungs the the all sorts of other stuff absolutely so what i'm asking you really is is just dropping
00:37:01.900if you've taken a male elite weightlifter and reducing their level of testosterone is that
00:37:08.020enough to make them be able to compete with women who have the same level of testosterone as they
00:37:13.600do i i wouldn't say that it would um and and the other thing is that that the muscle physiology of
00:37:23.940a man is is different they retain a lot more of that that testosterone and it uh so and i am not
00:37:32.780a doctor i am not a physiologist and i but from my background uh in sports and and the studies i have
00:37:40.660there is a vast difference between the physiology of men and women's muscle for example so the
00:37:51.440tendon strength the attachment strength uh like i said the retention of of testosterone all of
00:37:57.660make a make a difference so it's not just that one factor that i that i think uh would would
00:38:05.400make the difference and judy do you think this is this whole saga has been damaging for women's
00:38:11.160weightlifting i don't know if it's been actually damaging um it might make the women
00:38:21.120more competitive and say, hey, you know, we want to compete as women. So it could kind of go either
00:38:29.800way. I don't think one woman or one man transgendering is going to make a great deal of
00:38:38.900difference at this point. However, I do feel, as we have mentioned, that it does open the door
00:44:52.080This is where I'm going to find peace and happiness. It was not in that opposite gender.
00:44:59.940So that's why I'm pushing so hard to get conversion therapy allowed so that we can get these people on the right track so that they have their mind and their body in sync.
00:45:15.540and not try to go through something that is going to be irreversible in their bodies.
00:45:23.460So the whole idea of pushing these people are doing them, I think, a disservice.
00:45:34.940Hey, Konstantin, are you crypto curious?
00:45:38.400I told you, this sort of behavior is illegal in my country.
00:45:41.880If you've thought about entering the world of cryptocurrency but feel a little too overwhelmed, Coinbase makes learning to buy and sell simple.
00:45:53.060Coinbase is a trusted and easy-to-use platform to buy, sell and spend cryptocurrencies.
00:45:59.940They support the most popular digital currencies on the market and make them accessible to everyone.
00:46:06.920In Russia, we have Sputnik coin. It will take you to the moon, but you might not come back.
00:46:12.400Okay, mate. Cryptocurrency might feel like a secret or exclusive club,
00:46:17.620but Coinbase believes that everyone, everywhere should be able to get in the door.
00:46:23.000Whether you've been trading for years or just getting started, Coinbase can help.
00:46:28.700Real men don't ask for help. And by real men, I mean Russians.
00:46:32.360Great. Coinbase offer portfolio management and protection, learning resources and a mobile app so you can trade securely and monitor your crypto all in one place.
00:46:44.800Whether you're looking to diversify, just getting started or searching for a better way to access crypto markets, start today with Coinbase.
00:46:54.340For a limited time, new users can get 5 euros in free Bitcoin when you sign up today at coinbase.com forward slash trigger.
00:47:03.200Sign up at coinbase.com forward slash trigger for 5 euros in free Bitcoin.
00:47:08.500This offer is for a limited time only, so be sure to sign up today.
00:47:12.860That's coinbase.com forward slash trigger if you're a real man.
00:47:16.720so when you say conversion therapy the only time I've ever heard conversion therapy Judy
00:47:23.760is gay conversion therapy which we know just doesn't work how is transgender conversion
00:47:30.220therapy different and how does it work well my my take on conversion therapy as as we're using it
00:47:37.740is to allow that person to at least consider that they are not of the opposite gender
00:47:45.740And unfortunately, many times they are convinced that, and there's no talking to them, but there are some that, and I'm talking about children, young children who exhibit the opposite gender behavior, and later on, and parents or teachers or whoever have allowed them to display the opposite gender behavior as much as they want to.
00:48:15.220But later on, they say, hmm, maybe I do really like to put on a dress.
00:48:22.680And they were born a girl, and maybe they thought they were a boy, so they played with boys things and so on and so forth.
00:48:28.940But later on, hmm, maybe I do like to put on a dress, or maybe I do like a girl thing.
00:48:37.020today's society will have already put them on the path to being a boy with no turning around
00:48:47.700so my conversion therapy is saying let's allow that child to at least be themselves and explore
00:48:58.680what their what their birth gender really is and be at at at peace with that be happy with that
00:49:07.200in whatever way we can we can allow them to do that through counseling uh through primarily
00:49:14.560through through counseling but uh that's that's my point on on conversion at least letting them
00:49:21.880uh explore what they're where they're happy in and possibly their birth gender no it sounds like
00:49:28.480what you're really talking about is you're against the transitioning of children, which I think most
00:49:33.500people would be. Absolutely. There have been, again, many, many studies showing that these
00:49:41.700kids who are put on that transgender path that early, by the time they get into puberty,
00:49:51.260you can imagine how confused how frustrating they might be uh they are puberty blockers which means
00:50:00.060that that everything is stopped their hormones have stopped their bodies are not developing
00:50:05.700like they should have so they see their peers going through this stage and they're doing nothing
00:50:13.600the girls are not developing breasts they are not going through their periods and so forth
00:50:19.940the guys are not developing beards and so forth so there's they're in a quandary well
00:50:25.800who am i i don't see anything happening so they're identifying really as as neither because
00:50:33.600they don't see any progress in what they're going through unfortunately again this can be
00:50:40.740irreversible so perchance they do go later on in life and say i really was a woman i'm
00:50:49.920not a man. I've talked with several people who have lived in the opposite gender, females
00:50:57.440particularly, living as a man for maybe 15, 20 years. And they come to themselves and
00:51:06.880they say, God put me in a woman's body. I am a woman. Now, if they had gone through
00:51:14.800all the surgery, they have irreversible damage. They have lost their sex drive in organs and
00:51:27.940their hormones and so forth. So unfortunately, damage done. That's my concern when we have all
00:51:38.560these kids going through this and unfortunately it has become a fad because we are introducing
00:51:46.020it so early in our sex education courses that they're they are literally taught to explore
00:51:52.020who they really are they are not we have taken out pink and blues we have taken out girls and boys
00:51:58.420everybody is just one neutral person so right off the bat our kids are being told you can be
00:52:27.260Judy, thank you so much for coming on the show.
00:52:30.920We're going to ask a few questions for our local supporters afterwards,
00:52:34.900But we're going to end this interview with our final question, which is always, what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society, but we really should be?
00:52:43.200I think we've pretty much covered the waterfront as far as that goes, that I think that that I would encourage any parent who is involved with their transgender son or daughter to really explore really what what transgender is.
00:53:06.460go into the research go into the background find out really what is happening before you allow your
00:53:14.420child really to get into this uh god has a plan for for them in the gender that that they were
00:53:22.000given and that's the only way that they can find fulfillment and happiness uh in in that uh place
00:53:29.140that that god has for them thanks judy and uh before we uh ask our locals questions and before
00:53:35.380we let you go for the purposes of the interview. Where can people find your work online?
00:53:41.620My book, Mom, I'm a Girl, is at JudyGlenney.com. My weightlifting book,
00:53:50.520Uplifting Dreams, is at W-L-G-L-E-N-N-E-Y, W-L-G-L-E-N-E-Y.com. So both of those books