TRIGGERnometry - ＂Trauma Made Me a Radical Leftist＂

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00:00:30.000 A lot of the radical left, actually, if you look at their behaviours and what they say they believe in,

00:00:36.220 that is absolutely unprocessed trauma.

00:00:38.540 A lot of that is borderline personality disorder.

00:00:41.360 You can get stuck in anger, you can get stuck in resentment and stuck in pain,

00:00:45.380 and you become aggressive, but you don't mean to.

00:00:48.820 I've lived it. I've lived it.

00:00:50.040 I know what being a fringe, lunatic, radical leftist is.

00:00:52.640 I've literally been that.

00:00:54.120 Somebody who's traumatised, somebody who's experienced sexual and physical abuse as a kid,

00:00:58.460 who's angry with someone out there who's more powerful than I am.

00:01:03.680 And then you become the conspiracy theorist.

00:01:05.980 It's the structure.

00:01:06.920 It's the patriarchy.

00:01:07.960 I used to write essays railing against Western mechanistic scientific perspectives.

00:01:16.520 And I really hated it because I thought that's what had hurt me.

00:01:22.600 I thought that's what had caused me pain and was causing pain all around the world.

00:01:26.880 There's this weird conspiracy out there.

00:01:28.940 I'm victimised, and it's like, wait, who's doing this to you?

00:01:34.820 Obviously, sometimes that does happen,

00:01:36.480 but it's an obsessive insistence on victimisation through a grand-scale conspiracy,

00:01:41.500 which couldn't possibly exist at the scale that they say it does.

00:01:45.240 But it absolves you of responsibility, and that's the point.

00:01:49.480 Hello, and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:02:02.520 I'm Francis Foster.

00:02:03.820 I'm Constantin Kishan.

00:02:04.920 And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:02:10.700 A brilliant and returning guest today is one of our absolute favourites.

00:02:15.340 He is a man who's done many, many things,

00:02:17.540 and he's got a book out which is called A Cult of One,

00:02:20.000 How to Deprogram Yourself from Narcissistic Abuse,

00:02:22.760 which is an era of speciality.

00:02:24.380 Richard Grannon, welcome back to Trigonometry.

00:02:26.300 Thanks very much for having me back, chaps.

00:02:28.700 You look like you've frozen into the chair.

00:02:31.060 Yes.

00:02:31.760 We'll talk about the book, and we'll talk about all this great stuff, mate,

00:02:34.460 but we haven't seen you for a while.

00:02:35.680 How's life? How have you been?

00:02:37.180 Good, busy, just busy with work

00:02:39.200 and trying to sort things out and move forward.

00:02:44.160 I'm having a few problems with YouTube at the moment.

00:02:47.540 It's starting to look suspiciously like being shadow banned,

00:02:51.520 so I'm going to sort that out.

00:02:53.620 Wow.

00:02:54.800 Tell us.

00:02:55.880 You could make a lot of money if you can do that.

00:02:58.900 Well, yeah.

00:02:59.760 There's a lot of people who have the same suspicion, I think.

00:03:02.120 I had a guy who works for me in conversation with him yesterday,

00:03:06.440 and they said,

00:03:07.040 oh, we've reviewed it,

00:03:07.960 and there's absolutely nothing wrong with your channel,

00:03:10.740 even despite the evidence we gave them.

00:03:13.100 I just have to move to a new channel.

00:03:15.000 So totally, yeah, we're going to have to start a new channel,

00:03:17.700 and I won't put my name in the videos,

00:03:20.060 so I'll go to my email list and push people through from the list to the videos

00:03:23.240 because it's a poison chalice now,

00:03:25.620 and that's it.

00:03:27.720 It's interesting because our numbers have been weird on YouTube as well

00:03:30.480 because when we do a good interview with a big-name guest,

00:03:33.820 it will do well,

00:03:34.560 not as well as it used to necessarily,

00:03:36.220 but it will do well.

00:03:37.200 But if someone is less known or maybe the interview is less spicy,

00:03:40.940 the numbers are much lower than they were,

00:03:42.780 even though the channel is bigger.

00:03:44.300 And on the podcast, on the audio side of things,

00:03:46.680 the numbers are going up every month.

00:03:49.120 But on YouTube, it's not happening.

00:03:49.960 You're never recommended to me.

00:03:51.460 I'm a subscriber of yours.

00:03:52.660 I have to actively go and look for you.

00:03:56.160 There's different people.

00:03:57.300 Douglas Murray.

00:03:58.300 I watch Douglas Murray videos all the time,

00:04:00.680 and YouTube never goes,

00:04:01.760 oh, this guy watches, let's give him some Douglas Murray today.

00:04:04.640 Never, ever happens.

00:04:06.140 You guys never come up with my recommended.

00:04:07.800 I have to go and find you.

00:04:09.400 So these are indications that shadow band or throttled

00:04:12.880 or whatever people want to call it,

00:04:14.180 like there is a bit of jiggery.

00:04:15.460 What did Twitter call it?

00:04:17.120 Visibility filtering?

00:04:18.180 Right.

00:04:18.720 You have been filtered.

00:04:21.780 You've been filtered, mate.

00:04:22.820 So there is a bit of,

00:04:24.620 there's that sort of aspect of things going on.

00:04:27.760 And I'm thinking, okay,

00:04:28.580 what's the appropriate way to deal with that?

00:04:31.200 What's the appropriate action for that?

00:04:32.680 And, you know, it's got to match the branding

00:04:35.100 and the effort with the project that I'm trying to make

00:04:37.820 and all the rest of it.

00:04:38.940 So, yeah, that's going to be the big one for next year.

00:04:41.620 Wow, man.

00:04:42.360 So the book, why did you write it, Richard?

00:04:45.300 I wanted to get down on paper my experiences that led me to doing the channel

00:04:53.560 as I've been doing up until now.

00:04:55.040 And I wanted to also sort of convey the philosophy behind what I teach and have it all in one place.

00:05:03.300 Have it, you know, fairly easy to read, fairly easy to understand.

00:05:06.740 And so I could just say to people, okay, if you've got a question for me,

00:05:10.100 you can find it there in the book.

00:05:11.640 So I submitted an 80,000-word academic-style document to the publisher,

00:05:19.000 these gentle Americans, and they sort of said to me,

00:05:22.520 oh, this is really fascinating.

00:05:24.060 We think it's a little dense.

00:05:25.780 And I'm like, it's boring, isn't it?

00:05:27.560 They're like, no, no, it's not boring.

00:05:29.460 It just needs...

00:05:29.900 So they then had to re-educate me on how to write a book.

00:05:34.080 So they wanted me to do half...

00:05:36.500 Every chapter needs to be half an expose of my own life,

00:05:39.340 anecdotes from my own life.

00:05:40.340 And then you earn the right to teach people something.

00:05:43.860 And I was like, do you know I went to a British boarding school?

00:05:46.200 I couldn't possibly share my private life.

00:05:48.300 So I had to go through this process of opening up

00:05:50.900 and telling stories from my own life in the book,

00:05:54.120 which was, in the end, it was fun once I learned how to do it.

00:05:57.220 And what was that process like?

00:05:59.420 And did you learn something about yourself whilst you were doing it?

00:06:02.360 Oh, God, yeah, I learned...

00:06:05.360 It became a therapeutic process.

00:06:08.360 It was...

00:06:10.340 It took...

00:06:11.540 At points, it was like pulling teeth.

00:06:13.900 It was really hard.

00:06:15.220 It was really, really hard.

00:06:16.620 And the editors kept asking me for more.

00:06:20.160 They were like, we need more from you.

00:06:21.480 We need you to reveal more about yourself.

00:06:23.240 And I was like, oh, God, I'm really resistant to this.

00:06:25.940 There's parts of me that I do not want in the public space, which...

00:06:30.280 Like what?

00:06:30.640 Yeah, tell us now what you didn't want to say.

00:06:35.240 So that was...

00:06:36.760 Because if you look like on the other side of the coin,

00:06:41.360 it made me think, oh, wow, I'm really not in alignment

00:06:44.080 with the way our culture is going.

00:06:45.480 Because people are rushing to share their private life.

00:06:49.000 They can't wait to let you know what they had for breakfast

00:06:52.060 or who they're sleeping with or what colour socks they've got on.

00:06:55.040 They'd love to be seen.

00:06:56.600 I hate it.

00:06:58.100 I absolutely just...

00:07:00.520 It mortifies me.

00:07:02.520 I find it like a really mortifying process.

00:07:04.580 So yeah, it was tough.

00:07:05.260 But that's quite interesting because you are a public person.

00:07:07.860 You know, you're a performer.

00:07:08.940 You're someone who likes to be in front of camera.

00:07:10.900 You're somebody who likes attention.

00:07:13.120 So that's quite strange, isn't it?

00:07:15.340 Because normally people who are like that

00:07:16.820 want to reveal all parts of themselves, don't they?

00:07:19.760 It very much was a deliberate persona that was created.

00:07:23.740 So I've kept my protection.

00:07:26.720 My psychological self-protection was always to have a public persona

00:07:29.860 and then my private life kept very, very separate.

00:07:33.100 And it's made...

00:07:34.780 I think it's made my life easier.

00:07:37.480 So you see people, like, they get their Twitter accounts banned

00:07:40.680 or cancelled or whatever, and they become very, very emotional.

00:07:44.200 They're extremely emotionally attached to their social media.

00:07:46.900 And I'd always look at that and think,

00:07:48.060 oh, I couldn't possibly... I couldn't feel that way.

00:07:50.560 And now I'm realising it's because they've put themselves in there

00:07:54.680 and it's parts of themselves that are getting thrown away.

00:07:57.340 For me, it was strictly business.

00:08:00.660 Well, let's talk about the book because I think, you know,

00:08:04.120 we've spoken with you in the past and there's so much more to, you know,

00:08:09.140 often we go for dinner and talk and there's so much more that you talk about

00:08:13.320 than narcissism, which is what people will be familiar with you.

00:08:16.480 But we'll start with the narcissism.

00:08:18.500 And I suppose in order to recover from narcissistic abuse,

00:08:24.040 you first need to know that you've experienced it.

00:08:26.680 Yes, you need to have a model of reality that says

00:08:30.760 there is a personality disorder called narcissism and this is what they do.

00:08:35.860 Not just to me, but it's happened to other people multiple times

00:08:39.140 and it's going on right now.

00:08:40.480 So how do you know that you've been in a narcissistically abusive relationship?

00:08:44.420 When you find yourself at three o'clock in the morning on YouTube going,

00:08:48.840 why is my girlfriend such a horrible bitch?

00:08:52.040 I'm looking at videos where my face comes up and other people's faces in the field come up.

00:08:56.240 And there's usually a sense of confusion about what's going on in the relationship.

00:09:00.040 And then people will literally, they will put in like, why is my husband so cruel?

00:09:04.700 Why is my wife, is my wife a sadist?

00:09:07.760 Or these are the questions that come up in the Google search terms.

00:09:10.300 And then they filter through to this area of YouTube, which is just a ton of,

00:09:16.380 there's like so many hours of videos now of people talking about narcissistic abuse.

00:09:21.460 There needs to be a sense that something is wrong.

00:09:24.820 And it's not just, you know, oh, she has anger management issues

00:09:29.140 or, oh, he's going through a difficult phase of his life.

00:09:31.560 There's a consistent pattern of bewildering behavior here.

00:09:34.960 You're stuck in these dead-end conversations that leave you feeling,

00:09:39.060 it's called cognitive dissonance.

00:09:41.380 It's a stressful feeling because you're being asked to believe several different things

00:09:45.080 that contradict each other at the same time.

00:09:46.900 And it creates a feeling of stress somatically in the body.

00:09:49.620 So then people are adrenalized, they can't sleep, they get physical symptoms

00:09:52.920 and they start obsessively hunting for answers.

00:09:55.580 So that obsessive hunt for answers is the first indicator

00:09:59.980 that somebody is probably in an emotionally abusive relationship at least.

00:10:04.140 And what do we mean by emotionally abusive?

00:10:05.920 Because the problem is, Richard, is that like a lot of words now,

00:10:10.520 at one point they meant one thing and now they mean, you know,

00:10:16.480 something completely different.

00:10:17.560 Well, a woman was asked where she's really from and that was called the trauma

00:10:20.900 and sustained abuse and whatever.

00:10:24.680 Did you follow this?

00:10:26.300 Yes.

00:10:27.340 A woman was asked by him.

00:10:28.180 Ngozi Falani.

00:10:29.320 And she was dressed in full African regalia.

00:10:31.560 And an old white lady said to her, oh, and where are you from?

00:10:35.260 Because you're clearly representing a country.

00:10:37.400 And that was seen as the most aggressive form of attack.

00:10:39.780 Well, she said it was traumatic.

00:10:41.600 So this is, I guess, Francis' point is like, you know,

00:10:44.020 you might have just had an argument with your partner.

00:10:46.860 Yeah.

00:10:47.380 That's not the same as being narcissistically abused.

00:10:50.260 No.

00:10:50.500 So you're pointing to an effect that was identified by a scholar

00:10:54.620 from Brent or Ghent University, Ghent University, called Jan DeVos.

00:10:59.600 It's called psychologization.

00:11:01.400 And he pointed out the first paper in 2012.

00:11:04.540 It's the effect by which psychology itself has seeped out into the culture

00:11:08.560 and everything is becoming pathologized.

00:11:10.860 So there's pathologization, where we think everything is a medical issue.

00:11:14.360 And then beyond that is psychologization.

00:11:16.220 But things that are not psychological issues are being rendered psychological issues.

00:11:20.320 So, yes, emotional abuse had one meaning.

00:11:24.420 You were with a partner who was abusive, but they didn't hit you.

00:11:27.240 They used coercive control.

00:11:29.200 And now if I say I don't like the color of your socks,

00:11:32.200 that could be considered emotional abuse.

00:11:33.740 It depends on where the dial on sensitivity is scaled up to.

00:11:39.200 That's a part of the conversation that we can't have in a psychologized society

00:11:44.280 because psychology won't go there.

00:11:47.700 Psychology is in its, you know, effectively a very left-leaning field.

00:11:53.940 And you can't question the victim because that would be called,

00:11:58.860 we have a term for that as well, victim blaming.

00:12:01.600 And that is a sin.

00:12:02.500 That's a sin against the orthodoxy that we live under now.

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00:12:31.980 So you can't, you basically can't say something is traumatic

00:12:38.960 and something is abusive, but some things aren't.

00:12:41.660 Because as long as someone claims that those things are traumatic and abusive,

00:12:45.480 you would be denying their pain and blaming them.

00:12:49.040 I think the language they use is you're denying their lived experience.

00:12:51.760 Yes.

00:12:52.060 And so that actually wasn't the normal stance of psychology for a long time.

00:12:59.800 If you go back, men and women, male and female psychologists for years,

00:13:04.300 would push back against that because they would say,

00:13:06.880 well, you're not mentally well.

00:13:08.880 You need objective feedback to know where you're up to.

00:13:11.940 Somewhere, you know, radical, maybe radical feminism promoted it.

00:13:17.020 Maybe radical feminists got into more of the faculties,

00:13:20.080 more of the social sciences.

00:13:21.600 Post-modernism crept in.

00:13:23.080 Marxism crept in.

00:13:24.800 And yes, it became a case of saying,

00:13:26.620 no, the subjective experience is all important,

00:13:28.920 but only the subjective experience of certain select individuals.

00:13:32.120 And we're not going to tell you who.

00:13:33.800 You're going to find out when you're being punished.

00:13:35.720 So it's a maddening, it's this maddening situation.

00:13:41.320 I still love psychology, but it is a mess.

00:13:43.620 It is an absolute mess.

00:13:44.800 But the thing that's bizarre about that is,

00:13:47.480 in many ways, when you do that, you're not helping people.

00:13:50.540 No, no, so you're making them sicker.

00:13:52.280 I mean, it's provable.

00:13:53.400 It's, what's his name?

00:13:55.860 Jonathan Haidt wrote about it in The Coddling of the American Mind.

00:13:59.340 He used Jan DeVos' psychologization

00:14:02.160 and connected it to a concept created by two Australian psychologists

00:14:05.800 called looping.

00:14:06.920 So if you say to somebody,

00:14:09.440 you're the victim here and you're sick,

00:14:11.300 by a process of looping,

00:14:12.740 they'll identify with that version of themselves

00:14:14.860 and they'll create more victimization for themselves

00:14:17.220 and they'll see themselves as vulnerable.

00:14:19.640 Jonathan Haidt's point there was like,

00:14:22.080 look at the generation of kids now.

00:14:23.800 They see themselves as completely vulnerable

00:14:25.640 because of this psychologization.

00:14:28.420 And it's not,

00:14:29.340 I don't think psychology intrinsically should lead

00:14:31.600 this, lean this way.

00:14:33.140 You can have a version of psychology

00:14:35.720 that is much more philosophically robust

00:14:38.200 than you teach people.

00:14:39.060 No, the psychologist expects you to be strong.

00:14:42.040 Your counselor expects you to be strong.

00:14:44.300 We don't just,

00:14:45.880 I call it tea and biscuits.

00:14:47.580 Like tea and biscuits psychology

00:14:49.500 is crap psychology.

00:14:51.860 Ah, poor you.

00:14:53.220 Would you like a biscuit?

00:14:54.360 That's not going to help.

00:14:55.880 It's not because we have to get down to,

00:14:58.160 look, you're an adult.

00:14:59.280 Do you want to function in this reality?

00:15:01.180 This is what you need to do.

00:15:02.800 The responsibility must be spread.

00:15:04.920 It can't be offset

00:15:06.120 because that creates an externalized locus of control,

00:15:09.560 which is known to be highly associated

00:15:12.000 with anxiety and depression

00:15:13.080 because you feel like you're not in control of your life.

00:15:14.960 Right.

00:15:15.420 And this is why I feel the timing of your book is so great.

00:15:17.560 I haven't had a chance to read it yet,

00:15:18.820 but I will look forward to doing it over Christmas

00:15:21.100 because I think the timing is right.

00:15:23.600 And you know how sometimes people come along

00:15:26.100 and they definitely have a really good set of things

00:15:30.460 to share with the world,

00:15:31.480 but the timing is not right and it doesn't work out.

00:15:33.720 Whereas whenever I think about something

00:15:34.980 like Jordan Peterson, for example,

00:15:36.240 I think there's a reason that he exploded

00:15:37.800 in the way that he did.

00:15:38.920 Yeah.

00:15:39.160 Because the message was necessary.

00:15:40.980 And I feel the way you approach this issue,

00:15:44.700 it's kind of how I've always thought about life as well.

00:15:46.940 It's like you could spend your life being a victim.

00:15:49.560 And if I listed all the things that I've,

00:15:51.380 I've been homeless, my family's been destined,

00:15:54.220 like I can go on for ages,

00:15:55.600 but it's not going to improve my life, right?

00:15:58.380 No.

00:15:58.700 And I think that's kind of the message

00:16:00.200 that you're bringing as well,

00:16:01.440 which is here's a set of steps

00:16:03.300 to actually overcome things that you've been through, right?

00:16:06.280 A hundred percent.

00:16:07.280 And I was thinking of Jordan Peterson.

00:16:09.820 He had this mildly amusing joke

00:16:11.700 when he addressed the Oxford Union

00:16:13.220 and he said there's very, very few

00:16:15.700 right-leaning psychologists in the world.

00:16:17.960 In fact, the only one of them is here in the room with you now,

00:16:20.360 which is not least because he's actually on the left,

00:16:25.060 but we've had this conversation before.

00:16:26.880 Like, as far as today's left is concerned,

00:16:30.160 he's literally Hitler.

00:16:33.260 So, but he is,

00:16:35.680 it was that flavor of that type of psychology.

00:16:38.140 It's still psychology,

00:16:39.380 but it still has its roots in Nietzsche and Dostoevsky,

00:16:42.500 which was, you know, yeah,

00:16:44.560 you're on your own in this world

00:16:46.360 and you have to strive and you have to fight,

00:16:48.900 which is a more of a,

00:16:50.880 if you take a yin-yang perspective,

00:16:52.860 that's more of a yang approach.

00:16:54.700 That's more of a masculine principled approach.

00:16:59.080 The feminine principled approach would be,

00:17:01.380 no, you need top-down assistance

00:17:03.040 from a community to help you.

00:17:05.000 You need both, like balance and everything,

00:17:07.640 but we've gone too far this way.

00:17:09.520 So everything becomes an appeal to authority.

00:17:12.700 If you're in pain and you have a boo-boo,

00:17:14.780 then you have to call for authority.

00:17:16.140 It leads to authoritarianism.

00:17:17.340 That's why you throw soup at paintings

00:17:20.240 to save the climate.

00:17:21.940 Yes.

00:17:22.120 That's why you do all this stuff.

00:17:24.020 And actually, I did a debate at the Oxford Union,

00:17:26.420 which they haven't released yet,

00:17:27.520 but this is one of the things I talked about,

00:17:29.060 is like, if you think climate change

00:17:30.820 is a really big problem,

00:17:32.520 then complaining about it

00:17:35.320 is literally not going to do anything.

00:17:37.720 Particularly in Britain,

00:17:38.940 which produces 2% of global carbon emissions.

00:17:41.420 Even if you disappeared Britain from the map,

00:17:43.380 it still wouldn't change anything, right?

00:17:44.800 You've got to do something.

00:17:46.600 You've got to create technology.

00:17:47.740 You've got to have inventions.

00:17:48.860 You've got to pursue that.

00:17:50.740 And we've somehow, as you say,

00:17:52.380 ended up in a position where we just,

00:17:54.460 as a culture, we don't,

00:17:55.880 that's not the attitude.

00:17:56.980 The attitude is big daddy government

00:17:59.120 or this or that.

00:18:00.780 You know, the society has failed me.

00:18:03.140 Systemic this, structural that.

00:18:04.640 Yes, yes.

00:18:06.080 Systemic this, structural that.

00:18:07.720 Which comes from,

00:18:08.620 I said it's yin-principled,

00:18:10.340 which is feminine-principled.

00:18:11.360 It comes from feminism.

00:18:12.760 It's from feminism.

00:18:14.740 I can see why his YouTube channel

00:18:15.980 is not doing as well anymore.

00:18:18.780 It's the birds!

00:18:19.880 It's the birds that've done it.

00:18:21.560 You keep that up, Mr. Grannon,

00:18:23.160 and see where it gets you.

00:18:25.180 Wajiki's there just turning the dial.

00:18:27.560 He's whinging about birds again.

00:18:29.140 Turn them off.

00:18:29.580 So there is,

00:18:31.740 like, to me,

00:18:33.400 like, being,

00:18:34.440 I would say the left

00:18:35.280 is generally yin-principled.

00:18:36.900 It's kindness.

00:18:37.940 It's fairness.

00:18:39.160 The right tends to be yang-principled.

00:18:40.920 It's competitiveness,

00:18:41.880 and it requires more resilience.

00:18:44.640 It believes in it.

00:18:45.600 It prioritizes it.

00:18:46.760 I think we need balance

00:18:47.600 in all these things,

00:18:48.500 but when I say the cult,

00:18:50.740 or Jan de Vos said,

00:18:51.900 the culture is psychologized,

00:18:53.500 he wasn't saying

00:18:54.360 it's psychologized

00:18:55.320 with Nietzschean psychology

00:18:56.600 or Adlerian psychology.

00:18:57.980 He's saying it's psychologized

00:18:59.280 with this,

00:19:00.100 these are radical feminist,

00:19:02.120 Marxist, post-modernist ideas

00:19:04.140 that do point at structures.

00:19:06.960 And the interesting thing is

00:19:08.360 they kind of become

00:19:09.260 conspiracy theorists.

00:19:10.760 There's this weird conspiracy out,

00:19:13.040 I'm victimized,

00:19:14.240 and it's like,

00:19:14.780 by who?

00:19:16.060 Who's doing this to you?

00:19:18.940 Obviously,

00:19:19.460 sometimes that does happen,

00:19:20.580 but it's an obsessive insistence

00:19:22.420 on victimization.

00:19:23.700 Through a grand-scale conspiracy,

00:19:25.860 which couldn't possibly exist

00:19:27.540 at the scale that they say it does,

00:19:29.440 but it absolves you

00:19:31.280 of responsibility,

00:19:32.980 and that's the point.

00:19:34.260 So that's why

00:19:35.860 I think it's gone that way.

00:19:37.500 I was listening to Gabor Mate.

00:19:40.140 I'm really getting,

00:19:41.120 I don't know if you know Gabor.

00:19:42.700 I love Gabor Mate, yeah.

00:19:44.040 And he talks a lot about trauma,

00:19:46.320 and it just made me realize

00:19:47.640 that actually what you see

00:19:49.660 with a lot of people's

00:19:50.720 negative behavior,

00:19:51.820 in my opinion,

00:19:52.380 is just their unprocessed trauma

00:19:54.120 that they've never really

00:19:55.220 looked into,

00:19:56.120 or never wanted to deal with,

00:19:57.800 and then they just go around

00:19:59.220 just vomiting it,

00:20:00.420 essentially.

00:20:01.060 Yeah,

00:20:01.320 which is a lot of the radical left.

00:20:03.260 Actually,

00:20:04.320 if you look at their behaviors

00:20:05.460 and what they say

00:20:06.160 they believe in,

00:20:07.320 that is absolutely

00:20:08.160 unprocessed trauma.

00:20:09.680 A lot of that

00:20:10.300 is borderline personality disorder.

00:20:12.740 You're not supposed to say that.

00:20:14.480 Even Jordan Peterson

00:20:15.400 resisted saying it

00:20:16.580 for the first five years

00:20:18.480 that he shot to fame,

00:20:19.400 he wouldn't,

00:20:19.960 I had friends and clients of mine

00:20:22.360 go to his seminars

00:20:23.100 and ask him,

00:20:23.700 and he would refuse to answer it.

00:20:25.540 He's saying it now.

00:20:26.660 That's borderline personality disorder.

00:20:28.400 Well,

00:20:28.620 the interesting thing about that

00:20:29.680 is in terms of the point

00:20:30.640 you're making,

00:20:31.240 Francis,

00:20:31.540 is it's easy,

00:20:32.600 it's much easier to say

00:20:33.580 because the radical right

00:20:34.540 is exactly the same.

00:20:35.840 I have a,

00:20:37.360 I used to be friends

00:20:39.060 with some people,

00:20:41.140 anyway,

00:20:41.480 in the movie world

00:20:42.300 and there's a brilliant,

00:20:43.860 I think it's a Finnish movie

00:20:44.960 called Heart of a Lion

00:20:46.000 about neo-Nazis

00:20:47.460 and I met a couple...

00:20:49.760 It's a brilliant film

00:20:50.440 about neo-Nazis.

00:20:51.120 It's a brilliant film

00:20:51.800 about neo-Nazis.

00:20:52.840 I'm a big admirer

00:20:53.940 of many of the main characters.

00:20:54.520 Yeah, it's promotional, mate.

00:20:55.300 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:56.440 That's why we started the show.

00:20:58.320 That's where all the merch is from.

00:21:01.840 Go to our page.

00:21:03.560 The actors did a lot of research

00:21:05.340 to get ready

00:21:07.360 to play a neo-Nazi

00:21:08.420 and they said

00:21:08.860 that when they met

00:21:09.540 these people

00:21:10.020 who'd been reformed neo-Nazis

00:21:11.580 or just were neo-Nazis,

00:21:13.660 almost all of them

00:21:14.680 had a certain

00:21:15.740 childhood experience.

00:21:17.660 Yes.

00:21:18.440 Traumatic childhood experience

00:21:19.860 that shaped them

00:21:20.780 into seeing the world

00:21:22.200 in that way

00:21:22.700 and that makes perfect sense

00:21:24.680 that the people

00:21:25.960 who are out there

00:21:27.800 doing extreme shit,

00:21:29.180 they're probably doing it

00:21:30.280 for a reason.

00:21:31.400 You know what I mean?

00:21:31.960 100%.

00:21:32.640 The chances of

00:21:35.160 well,

00:21:35.700 anybody who has

00:21:36.340 extremist views

00:21:37.380 that can easily be

00:21:38.520 challenged inside

00:21:39.840 of a 20-minute

00:21:40.560 sober conversation

00:21:41.580 at not having some issues

00:21:43.560 related to their sanity

00:21:44.540 becomes very, very small.

00:21:45.820 So yeah,

00:21:46.140 radical anything.

00:21:47.440 So yeah,

00:21:47.720 radical right-wingers.

00:21:49.040 Again,

00:21:49.380 you'll see borderline

00:21:50.180 personality disorder

00:21:51.400 because they'll be,

00:21:53.560 they're extremely

00:21:54.040 emotionally dysregulated,

00:21:55.360 damages their perceptions.

00:21:56.940 Everything is still

00:21:57.760 an externalized

00:21:58.480 locus of control.

00:21:59.740 You mentioned the Nazis.

00:22:00.620 That was absolutely

00:22:01.340 a victimhood story.

00:22:02.860 It was all one,

00:22:05.380 one group

00:22:06.200 for everything.

00:22:07.800 And you think,

00:22:08.900 you know,

00:22:09.580 if you sat down,

00:22:10.960 you'd be like,

00:22:11.260 are you sure?

00:22:12.660 Like,

00:22:13.100 that's it.

00:22:14.040 That's your view

00:22:14.900 of reality.

00:22:16.260 You wouldn't even

00:22:17.100 spread the responsibility

00:22:18.340 out,

00:22:18.840 could you name like

00:22:19.420 five different groups

00:22:20.660 or not?

00:22:21.080 Nope,

00:22:21.360 just one.

00:22:21.720 Nine.

00:22:22.800 Like we say,

00:22:23.540 like we say in Russian,

00:22:24.780 if there's no water

00:22:25.720 in the tap,

00:22:26.280 the Jews drank it.

00:22:30.380 That's how people

00:22:31.160 think though.

00:22:31.700 Right.

00:22:32.100 You know,

00:22:32.640 those people anyway.

00:22:34.180 Those people.

00:22:35.420 It creates

00:22:36.440 an infantile view

00:22:38.080 of reality.

00:22:39.800 And I think a lot

00:22:40.480 of the problems

00:22:40.880 that we're seeing

00:22:41.440 nowadays is

00:22:42.300 we're not having

00:22:43.480 adult conversations

00:22:44.400 because people aren't

00:22:45.220 coming from an adult

00:22:46.000 point of view.

00:22:46.640 They're literally

00:22:47.140 not capable

00:22:47.960 of having the adult

00:22:49.120 conversation

00:22:49.760 because they're traumatized,

00:22:51.340 they're stuck

00:22:51.800 in an infantile

00:22:52.540 world view.

00:22:53.500 The emotional

00:22:53.960 dysregulation

00:22:54.740 turns your perceptions

00:22:55.960 upside down.

00:22:56.740 People don't realize

00:22:57.560 how sick

00:22:59.120 they've become.

00:23:00.820 And they crave

00:23:01.960 this ideology

00:23:02.740 because it

00:23:04.240 moderates

00:23:05.360 the emotions

00:23:06.020 externally.

00:23:07.320 So they follow,

00:23:08.540 I don't know,

00:23:09.000 maybe they become

00:23:09.600 neo-Nazis

00:23:10.280 or maybe they become

00:23:11.060 radical leftists

00:23:11.840 or whatever

00:23:13.360 because that makes

00:23:15.140 them feel

00:23:15.700 a little bit better.

00:23:16.620 It stops the screaming

00:23:17.480 in their head

00:23:18.060 for a few minutes.

00:23:18.980 Richard,

00:23:19.460 I'm going to put

00:23:20.000 a counterpoint to you.

00:23:21.060 Isn't it even more

00:23:22.120 different?

00:23:22.480 Aren't Nazis brilliant?

00:23:23.320 Aren't you?

00:23:24.320 Do you know what I mean?

00:23:25.080 Make some,

00:23:25.640 they're not all bad.

00:23:26.820 Someone is going to

00:23:27.480 clip that by the way.

00:23:28.780 But it's becoming

00:23:31.060 more and more difficult,

00:23:32.180 Richard,

00:23:32.420 to keep your sanity

00:23:33.380 when you look around

00:23:34.520 at the world

00:23:35.060 and what is reality

00:23:36.280 is rapidly,

00:23:38.540 let's be fair,

00:23:39.200 coming undone.

00:23:40.060 Like you just see

00:23:41.040 that the media

00:23:42.180 has been lying to us.

00:23:43.520 You saw what happened

00:23:44.460 with COVID.

00:23:45.440 You saw that we were

00:23:46.400 told one thing

00:23:47.260 about vaccines

00:23:48.060 and I'm keeping it

00:23:48.880 deliberately opaque

00:23:50.260 because we know

00:23:52.000 what will happen

00:23:52.560 with YouTube

00:23:53.060 and now the reality

00:23:54.760 is something else.

00:23:56.120 We've been consistently

00:23:57.560 lied to

00:23:58.340 for a long time.

00:24:00.560 So can you blame

00:24:02.400 people for

00:24:03.280 distrusting reality?

00:24:07.780 Blame.

00:24:08.720 That's interesting.

00:24:09.980 That's interesting.

00:24:11.280 Okay,

00:24:11.640 so to push back

00:24:12.520 on that,

00:24:12.920 I would say

00:24:13.400 that we all

00:24:14.320 as adults

00:24:15.240 have a responsibility

00:24:16.540 to,

00:24:17.820 well,

00:24:18.000 you said this point,

00:24:18.840 I'm going to feed

00:24:19.100 your point back to you.

00:24:19.900 We all have to process

00:24:20.980 our trauma.

00:24:22.060 It's rough right now.

00:24:24.020 I agree.

00:24:24.940 And the fact

00:24:25.460 that we're seeing

00:24:25.840 more and more people

00:24:26.660 emotionally dysregulated,

00:24:28.020 especially after lockdowns

00:24:29.180 and everything else,

00:24:30.240 surprises me not at all.

00:24:32.100 The thing that bothers me

00:24:33.920 at the moment

00:24:34.500 is it feels like

00:24:37.160 the effort

00:24:38.240 to coerce

00:24:39.220 people's opinions

00:24:40.060 and to move them

00:24:40.740 in a certain direction

00:24:41.540 is being increased

00:24:42.540 and that largely speaking

00:24:44.240 people are going along

00:24:45.020 with it,

00:24:45.380 which is,

00:24:45.940 it's very worrying.

00:24:47.220 I find I'm pretty worried

00:24:49.080 about where we're up to

00:24:49.800 at the moment.

00:24:51.120 When I last spoke to you,

00:24:52.260 I was much more like...

00:24:53.700 No,

00:24:53.900 you said we were heading

00:24:55.360 to gulags and genocide.

00:24:56.880 But then the last time

00:24:58.120 we spoke

00:24:58.480 in the interview

00:24:59.300 that's gone missing...

00:25:00.180 Yes.

00:25:00.420 Oh,

00:25:00.740 you interviewed us.

00:25:01.540 I interviewed you guys.

00:25:02.000 You were quite positive.

00:25:02.720 I was really positive.

00:25:03.900 We did a great interview,

00:25:04.980 man,

00:25:05.100 and I hope we can recur

00:25:06.060 because something went wrong

00:25:06.960 with the hard drives.

00:25:08.240 But you did a great interview

00:25:09.480 with us

00:25:09.800 and I can't wait

00:25:10.440 for people to see that

00:25:11.260 hopefully we can get that back,

00:25:12.440 man.

00:25:12.520 It was really good.

00:25:14.600 Sorry.

00:25:15.220 But that being the case,

00:25:17.480 what do you do

00:25:19.040 as an individual?

00:25:20.620 How do you operate

00:25:21.660 in a world

00:25:22.440 where you look around

00:25:24.100 and things...

00:25:26.980 You're being deliberately

00:25:27.940 misled.

00:25:29.240 You're being deliberately

00:25:30.480 misinformed.

00:25:33.140 I don't know.

00:25:34.040 I don't know what we need.

00:25:36.380 So sometimes I think,

00:25:37.880 you know,

00:25:38.640 I question myself

00:25:39.640 and I say,

00:25:41.180 are you...

00:25:42.260 This is Richard to Richard.

00:25:43.760 Are you flirting

00:25:44.700 with an idea

00:25:47.300 of a narrative

00:25:48.500 that you haven't...

00:25:49.480 That you don't dare

00:25:50.220 to fully realise

00:25:51.040 because it's going to be

00:25:51.620 extremely inconvenient?

00:25:52.980 Which at this point would be

00:25:54.360 I have to become

00:25:55.060 politically engaged.

00:25:56.540 And every fibre

00:25:57.400 of my being goes,

00:25:58.180 oh God,

00:25:58.400 not that.

00:26:00.220 Everyone who does that,

00:26:01.440 no disrespect,

00:26:03.560 but like everyone

00:26:04.000 who does that

00:26:04.360 kind of makes a fool

00:26:05.320 of themselves in the end

00:26:06.420 because it's loaded

00:26:07.580 with dogma.

00:26:08.580 You say,

00:26:08.880 well,

00:26:09.020 this is the policy

00:26:09.940 by which everybody

00:26:10.760 should live.

00:26:11.640 It's always going to...

00:26:12.780 You always end up looking...

00:26:13.980 You look stupid

00:26:14.760 on some issues

00:26:15.780 at some point.

00:26:16.840 And then another part

00:26:17.760 of me says,

00:26:18.120 well,

00:26:18.540 what else is there?

00:26:19.340 Because you have

00:26:19.940 to give people direction.

00:26:21.020 So if you're not going

00:26:21.540 to give them direction

00:26:22.180 politically,

00:26:23.320 what are you going to do?

00:26:24.420 Oh, we use psychology.

00:26:25.580 Psychology is infected.

00:26:27.160 And I've spread the infection.

00:26:28.780 I'm one of the people

00:26:29.340 who popularises

00:26:30.140 the idea of

00:26:31.240 microaggressions

00:26:32.080 and being traumatised

00:26:32.880 by words.

00:26:33.460 I'm one of those people.

00:26:35.900 So what?

00:26:36.860 Philosophy?

00:26:37.640 Religion?

00:26:38.120 Spirituality?

00:26:38.960 I don't know.

00:26:39.900 I wouldn't have the balls

00:26:41.540 to go out there

00:26:45.040 and start preaching

00:26:46.340 at a philosophical

00:26:47.140 or spiritual level.

00:26:48.440 So I don't know what to do.

00:26:50.320 I'm at a loss.

00:26:51.420 Well,

00:26:52.260 I think...

00:26:53.300 Look,

00:26:54.040 I keep saying this

00:26:55.420 in every fucking interview.

00:26:56.740 People are probably

00:26:57.220 going to get as fed up

00:26:58.100 of it as Francis saying

00:26:59.020 he used to be a teacher.

00:26:59.800 But,

00:27:00.520 you know,

00:27:02.820 becoming a father

00:27:03.820 this year

00:27:04.780 really gave me

00:27:06.020 part of the answer

00:27:06.820 to that.

00:27:07.360 Part of the answer

00:27:07.880 to what we're talking

00:27:08.700 about is family, man.

00:27:10.060 Yeah.

00:27:10.420 And human connection

00:27:11.380 and family connection.

00:27:13.460 Yes.

00:27:13.860 That answers

00:27:14.780 like 80 to 90%

00:27:16.900 of all this

00:27:17.780 existential shit

00:27:18.900 that people

00:27:19.460 struggle with

00:27:20.600 on a day-to-day basis.

00:27:21.660 It's that, man.

00:27:22.500 It's a lack of meaning.

00:27:23.860 It's a lack of purpose.

00:27:25.380 And if you don't have that,

00:27:28.140 it's very hard

00:27:29.040 to be grounded

00:27:29.720 and attached

00:27:30.380 to whatever is the...

00:27:32.080 You know,

00:27:32.580 having my son

00:27:33.980 has completely changed

00:27:35.000 my worldview.

00:27:35.620 And I went from

00:27:36.500 being one of these guys

00:27:37.700 who used to hate parents

00:27:38.740 banging on about their kids.

00:27:39.900 I'm now one of them.

00:27:40.860 Yeah.

00:27:41.040 You know,

00:27:41.760 I can't help it.

00:27:43.060 But that's because

00:27:43.880 it's added me...

00:27:45.620 I've always been someone

00:27:46.560 who wanted meaningful work

00:27:47.900 and trigonometry

00:27:48.540 is that for me

00:27:50.120 and always has been.

00:27:50.880 But having family,

00:27:53.080 having children,

00:27:54.740 because they need you

00:27:56.820 Yeah.

00:27:57.740 and they are vulnerable.

00:27:59.600 Yeah.

00:27:59.840 Right?

00:28:00.200 So I can't afford

00:28:02.200 to be needy

00:28:03.820 and vulnerable

00:28:04.320 because there's a small

00:28:05.300 little creature

00:28:05.880 that needs me right now.

00:28:06.900 My wife needs me right now.

00:28:08.020 She needs me to provide.

00:28:09.140 She needs me to be there

00:28:09.940 emotionally.

00:28:10.820 And it forces me

00:28:11.880 to get out of my own head.

00:28:13.360 Yes.

00:28:14.220 And get into the real world

00:28:15.760 where shit needs to be done.

00:28:17.420 And I think that's part

00:28:18.340 of the answer, man.

00:28:18.920 And I'm afraid,

00:28:20.000 you know,

00:28:20.220 people don't like being told this

00:28:21.520 and I used to hate

00:28:22.180 being told this.

00:28:22.860 But I think it's very,

00:28:24.160 very difficult to...

00:28:26.100 For most people,

00:28:26.820 there will be,

00:28:27.240 of course,

00:28:27.540 be exceptions.

00:28:28.420 But for most people,

00:28:29.240 I think without taking

00:28:30.700 that extra step,

00:28:31.600 it's very difficult

00:28:32.320 to be an adult.

00:28:33.440 Like,

00:28:33.620 I look back at me

00:28:35.400 even two years ago

00:28:36.900 and I think

00:28:37.340 I was a mature young person.

00:28:39.720 That's the best

00:28:42.400 that I would call it.

00:28:43.080 I think a big part

00:28:44.480 of the reason

00:28:45.440 we are where we are

00:28:46.340 is the plummeting birth rate,

00:28:48.380 the people delaying

00:28:49.220 having children.

00:28:50.480 You know,

00:28:50.680 what do you think

00:28:51.200 about that?

00:28:51.820 I think

00:28:53.580 it was predicted

00:28:55.420 by Alistair Crowley

00:28:56.560 of all people

00:28:57.400 back in 1901.

00:28:58.900 He wrote a book

00:28:59.400 about this

00:28:59.960 that said

00:29:00.360 we're going to move

00:29:01.040 into an age

00:29:01.660 of infantilism.

00:29:03.060 He called it

00:29:03.700 the Aeon of Horus.

00:29:06.500 And then Jung

00:29:07.460 picked that up,

00:29:08.300 never credited Crowley

00:29:09.280 and called it the...

00:29:10.620 Which was probably

00:29:12.320 the right thing to do.

00:29:13.640 He called it

00:29:14.500 the Puerh Eternus,

00:29:15.680 which means

00:29:15.980 the eternal child.

00:29:17.180 So we now live

00:29:17.860 in the age

00:29:18.180 of the eternal child.

00:29:19.020 And yes,

00:29:19.400 you're probably right.

00:29:21.500 As biological entities,

00:29:23.120 we don't fully enter

00:29:24.300 adulthood

00:29:24.860 unless we have

00:29:25.580 children of our own.

00:29:27.620 I don't know

00:29:28.520 if it's a solution

00:29:29.260 to say to people

00:29:30.280 have kids.

00:29:31.620 Yeah,

00:29:31.740 you're really fucked up.

00:29:32.720 Go and have some kids

00:29:33.440 to solve that.

00:29:34.180 Yeah,

00:29:34.400 I agree.

00:29:35.100 And there's also,

00:29:35.940 there's going to be,

00:29:39.020 because everything

00:29:39.860 is politicized

00:29:40.560 as well as psychologized now,

00:29:41.920 it sounds right wing.

00:29:43.360 What,

00:29:43.580 having kids?

00:29:44.180 Yeah.

00:29:45.200 Well,

00:29:45.400 isn't that fucked up though?

00:29:46.640 That's insane.

00:29:47.680 Isn't it?

00:29:48.040 It's completely insane.

00:29:49.200 But everything's right wing.

00:29:50.960 The Guardian

00:29:51.420 did an article

00:29:52.740 about why going

00:29:53.440 to the gym

00:29:53.960 is right wing.

00:29:54.920 Yeah.

00:29:55.200 Absolutely it is.

00:29:56.960 I'm not going

00:29:57.820 on the way.

00:29:57.900 It's a funny way of like,

00:29:59.360 the thing is,

00:30:00.080 what all this,

00:30:01.080 all that's doing

00:30:01.780 is it's,

00:30:03.160 if being healthy

00:30:05.240 physically.

00:30:05.940 Yes.

00:30:06.340 If being healthy

00:30:07.120 mentally.

00:30:07.760 Yes.

00:30:07.980 If having a family

00:30:08.880 and children.

00:30:09.780 If taking responsibility.

00:30:11.600 If not asking

00:30:12.320 for handouts

00:30:13.700 from the government.

00:30:14.720 If not asking

00:30:15.440 for the big

00:30:16.220 systemic oppression

00:30:17.460 to be overturned.

00:30:18.420 If all of that

00:30:19.260 is right wing,

00:30:20.140 they're sort of

00:30:20.540 pushing all the

00:30:21.180 healthy people

00:30:21.840 to the right.

00:30:23.080 Well,

00:30:23.600 there's another

00:30:26.020 Dutton,

00:30:27.660 Professor Dutton,

00:30:28.880 the jolly erratic

00:30:29.560 who reviews

00:30:30.800 the evolutionary

00:30:31.720 psychology research

00:30:32.800 and he says that,

00:30:34.060 I believe him,

00:30:35.040 there's evidence

00:30:35.520 to suggest that

00:30:36.460 on the whole

00:30:37.700 right wing people

00:30:38.360 are healthier

00:30:38.960 and better looking.

00:30:40.080 They have better

00:30:40.740 DNA,

00:30:41.800 better genetics.

00:30:42.740 Right,

00:30:42.880 we need to move

00:30:43.420 to the right.

00:30:44.060 Yeah,

00:30:44.260 exactly.

00:30:44.680 We need to stop

00:30:45.160 pretending to be

00:30:45.920 in the centre.

00:30:46.800 We've become

00:30:47.460 far right

00:30:48.040 in the course

00:30:49.160 of this conversation.

00:30:50.120 And you look

00:30:51.300 at that and you think,

00:30:52.140 oh God,

00:30:52.560 I hope that's not true

00:30:53.780 but I don't know

00:30:55.860 what the right means.

00:30:57.940 So what does it mean

00:30:58.840 nowadays

00:30:59.340 if you're on the right?

00:31:01.220 So are we saying

00:31:02.680 that one is

00:31:03.140 life affirming

00:31:04.160 and individualistic

00:31:05.960 where the other one

00:31:07.440 is kind of

00:31:08.120 life negating

00:31:09.340 and globalist?

00:31:11.080 Maybe.

00:31:11.880 Maybe that's the division.

00:31:13.020 Maybe that's what

00:31:13.460 we should be talking about.

00:31:14.580 On this side,

00:31:15.400 humans are bad.

00:31:16.540 We're a burden

00:31:16.980 on the earth.

00:31:17.580 We're a burden

00:31:17.880 on the environment.

00:31:18.540 We're overpopulated.

00:31:20.360 Masculinity is bad.

00:31:22.160 Femininity is bad.

00:31:23.800 Sexuality is bad.

00:31:24.820 All of that,

00:31:25.800 it's like a death cult.

00:31:27.060 And on the other side,

00:31:27.940 you have people

00:31:28.440 who are life affirming

00:31:29.400 and they want to have children

00:31:30.460 and they want to

00:31:31.300 move forward

00:31:32.760 and have a sense of pride

00:31:34.700 and a sense of dignity

00:31:35.640 in their own lives.

00:31:37.620 There's that,

00:31:38.840 we got right and left wing

00:31:40.280 from the French Revolution.

00:31:41.520 Are we still having

00:31:42.140 the same conversation?

00:31:43.340 I mean,

00:31:43.520 it seems like

00:31:44.380 we're probably not.

00:31:45.560 So we're using these terms.

00:31:47.780 I disagree with people

00:31:49.020 who say the terms

00:31:49.780 are now meaningless,

00:31:51.240 but we have to see

00:31:52.260 how far warped

00:31:53.440 the world has gone.

00:31:55.320 This isn't about,

00:31:56.520 so in the French Revolution,

00:31:57.680 it was either you,

00:31:58.340 you wanted to keep the royalty

00:31:59.680 and you wanted to keep the church

00:32:00.580 and you wanted to preserve things

00:32:01.440 the way they were,

00:32:02.380 or you wanted to turn

00:32:03.800 everything on its head.

00:32:04.560 So left wingers

00:32:05.140 are revolutionaries,

00:32:06.020 right wingers keep everything

00:32:06.920 the same way.

00:32:08.100 This is a little different

00:32:10.140 and I think

00:32:11.160 there's different agendas

00:32:12.480 that got tagged on

00:32:13.760 because they could be.

00:32:16.260 So people who were of the left

00:32:17.760 based on that point

00:32:19.040 in human history

00:32:20.400 were open to ideas

00:32:21.780 like globalization,

00:32:22.840 open to ideas like

00:32:24.060 population reduction

00:32:25.900 and environmentalism.

00:32:27.620 The notion that we are

00:32:29.040 an evil virus on the world

00:32:30.980 and the world would be better

00:32:32.300 if there were just less of us

00:32:33.540 or none of us here at all,

00:32:34.600 which seems to be

00:32:36.040 like the pinnacle

00:32:37.020 of modern left wing ideology.

00:32:39.160 The most righteous person

00:32:40.440 would be all humans are trash.

00:32:42.520 Just get rid of the whole lot of us.

00:32:44.260 That's my humble opinion.

00:32:46.060 That's if you follow the dictates,

00:32:48.500 that seems to be where it goes to.

00:32:50.100 So yes,

00:32:50.560 the life affirming people

00:32:51.680 probably will be healthier

00:32:53.360 and, you know,

00:32:54.680 have less genetic mutation,

00:32:56.180 be slightly more intelligent

00:32:57.180 and so on.

00:32:57.680 For me,

00:33:01.220 COVID threw all of this

00:33:02.400 into really sharp relief

00:33:03.900 because I saw two groups of people

00:33:07.140 when COVID happened.

00:33:09.620 There were the people

00:33:10.320 who were just like,

00:33:11.120 well, the government needs

00:33:12.580 to support me.

00:33:13.560 The government needs

00:33:14.260 to bail me out.

00:33:15.160 I need furlough,

00:33:16.180 blah, blah, blah.

00:33:17.480 Yeah.

00:33:18.060 And those people who were like,

00:33:19.360 well,

00:33:20.700 I've just got to get on with it.

00:33:22.020 And of course,

00:33:22.640 there's more nuance to that.

00:33:24.180 Unfortunately,

00:33:24.640 there were some businesses

00:33:25.360 that could no longer operate

00:33:26.440 because of COVID.

00:33:28.440 And a lot of people

00:33:29.100 couldn't do their job.

00:33:30.120 That's why they needed furlough

00:33:31.100 because the government

00:33:31.700 forced them not to as well.

00:33:32.960 Exactly.

00:33:33.720 But there was the attitude of,

00:33:37.000 particularly in my industry

00:33:38.140 with comedy,

00:33:39.180 in our industry at the time,

00:33:40.820 where comedians were saying,

00:33:42.360 well,

00:33:42.580 I need to be bailed out.

00:33:43.720 And it's like,

00:33:44.100 well,

00:33:44.780 I understand that your industry

00:33:46.140 has stopped,

00:33:46.760 but that doesn't mean

00:33:47.600 that you can't navigate

00:33:49.200 other areas.

00:33:50.260 Yes.

00:33:50.520 You can't do other things.

00:33:52.080 You're denying your agency.

00:33:54.100 Yes,

00:33:54.420 yeah.

00:33:54.620 We may have discussed this before,

00:33:57.400 but I've always been on,

00:33:59.220 adopted the left,

00:34:00.820 the left wing,

00:34:02.100 largely left wing argument

00:34:04.180 in psychology,

00:34:04.920 which is that most things in life

00:34:06.400 are due to trauma,

00:34:07.740 the environment,

00:34:08.360 and nurture.

00:34:09.460 But with COVID,

00:34:10.640 I really started to see a reaction

00:34:12.380 that I thought was nature-based

00:34:13.760 because it was so fast

00:34:15.400 and people were so certain

00:34:16.980 of their position,

00:34:17.940 literally within weeks,

00:34:19.400 without questioning it.

00:34:20.500 And I started to see that split.

00:34:22.040 You said that you were presenting

00:34:23.740 a non-nuanced version of reality,

00:34:25.860 but I would say the response

00:34:27.000 was non-nuanced.

00:34:28.320 Like,

00:34:28.880 it was really low resolution.

00:34:31.020 Largely speaking,

00:34:32.320 people went one of two ways.

00:34:34.080 They either wanted

00:34:35.180 blind submission to authority

00:34:36.860 and bailouts,

00:34:38.300 or they wanted to fight

00:34:39.820 against authority

00:34:40.520 and sort themselves out.

00:34:41.620 So you just had authoritarianism

00:34:44.260 versus essentially individualism.

00:34:47.400 And that was so fast.

00:34:49.080 And so I never had any doubts.

00:34:51.340 I wasn't like,

00:34:51.980 oh,

00:34:52.660 but I do like a bit

00:34:53.720 of authoritarianism.

00:34:54.800 I was like,

00:34:55.160 fuck no.

00:34:56.720 Get that away from me.

00:34:58.340 Absolutely not.

00:34:59.640 But people really close to me

00:35:00.940 went all the way

00:35:01.660 the other way overnight.

00:35:03.200 And I thought,

00:35:04.100 for the first time ever in my life,

00:35:05.440 I thought maybe there is

00:35:06.160 a genetic component to this.

00:35:07.920 This could be rooted

00:35:08.780 in our biology.

00:35:10.100 Because there were some people

00:35:11.140 who just craved it.

00:35:12.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:12.780 And they saw the government,

00:35:14.260 expansion of governmental control

00:35:16.040 in their lives

00:35:17.540 as a positive.

00:35:18.700 And they loved it.

00:35:19.480 And they loved it.

00:35:20.440 And they craved it

00:35:21.360 and they wanted more.

00:35:22.460 Yeah, 100%.

00:35:23.380 It makes sense.

00:35:24.240 I mean,

00:35:24.440 one of our fellow favorite guests

00:35:26.460 is a guy called Stephen Hicks

00:35:27.560 who's a philosopher

00:35:28.820 and historian.

00:35:30.120 I don't know if you're familiar with him.

00:35:31.320 Yeah, I've listened to him as well.

00:35:32.240 I'm a big fan of his.

00:35:33.260 And this is one of the points

00:35:34.780 that he made

00:35:35.320 is people who are temperamentally

00:35:37.000 fearful

00:35:38.160 of the future,

00:35:40.680 of life,

00:35:41.660 of the world.

00:35:42.340 They don't feel competent

00:35:44.400 or able to solve

00:35:45.580 their own problems.

00:35:46.660 It is very natural

00:35:47.780 to those people

00:35:48.560 to then cling

00:35:49.220 towards authoritarianism

00:35:50.480 because

00:35:50.780 in a time of panic,

00:35:53.740 in a time of fear,

00:35:55.200 if you don't feel able

00:35:56.360 to solve the problem,

00:35:57.260 well, someone else

00:35:57.760 has got to solve the problem.

00:35:58.780 Right?

00:35:58.920 Yes.

00:35:59.160 And who is that going to be?

00:36:00.740 The government.

00:36:01.500 Yes.

00:36:01.640 And if other people

00:36:03.260 are refusing

00:36:04.160 to cooperate,

00:36:06.560 what do you do?

00:36:07.720 Well, let's get the hammer out.

00:36:09.160 You know?

00:36:10.440 To me,

00:36:12.220 I kind of,

00:36:13.200 I had compassion

00:36:14.400 for the desire

00:36:15.740 to rely

00:36:17.620 on governmental

00:36:18.320 forces

00:36:19.120 and to have

00:36:19.920 that appeal

00:36:20.380 to authority,

00:36:21.220 a top-down appeal

00:36:21.940 to authority.

00:36:22.920 But it was so unquestioning,

00:36:24.660 it made me laugh.

00:36:25.680 I thought people were joking.

00:36:26.680 I was like,

00:36:27.160 why would you trust

00:36:27.980 your government

00:36:28.360 to do that?

00:36:29.300 What evidence

00:36:30.060 do you have

00:36:30.960 that your government

00:36:31.800 is qualified for this?

00:36:33.560 And they go,

00:36:33.860 well, it's the government,

00:36:34.500 just do what they say.

00:36:35.200 I'm like,

00:36:35.520 look at them

00:36:36.480 falling over each other

00:36:38.340 like clowns in a circus.

00:36:40.740 That's who we're trusting?

00:36:41.840 And they're like,

00:36:42.160 just, just, just,

00:36:43.580 there was this stressful response,

00:36:45.280 like,

00:36:46.160 just do as you say,

00:36:47.420 do as they say

00:36:48.120 and everything will be okay.

00:36:49.260 Do as they say

00:36:50.020 and everything will be okay.

00:36:51.020 Stop asking questions.

00:36:52.820 It threatens our survival.

00:36:54.440 It was like

00:36:54.900 we were on a life raft

00:36:56.180 and I was standing up

00:36:57.000 waving my arms.

00:36:57.820 They're like,

00:36:58.060 you're going to capsize

00:36:58.740 as all.

00:36:59.780 And I was like,

00:37:00.200 I don't see

00:37:01.000 that the world

00:37:02.020 is like this.

00:37:02.960 I don't see it

00:37:03.520 the way you guys

00:37:04.140 are seeing it

00:37:04.740 at all,

00:37:06.060 but they absolutely

00:37:07.260 saw it that way.

00:37:08.120 It was an amazing,

00:37:10.080 I'm still not fully recovered

00:37:11.440 if I'm,

00:37:11.860 if I'm being really honest.

00:37:12.880 I kind of,

00:37:13.980 I trust people a lot less.

00:37:15.680 I trust institutions

00:37:16.620 far less now.

00:37:18.480 And well,

00:37:18.940 the times we're living through now,

00:37:20.080 every month that goes by,

00:37:21.160 you see more and more reason

00:37:23.040 to be deeply suspicious

00:37:25.980 of what any of our institutions

00:37:28.420 are saying,

00:37:29.200 which institutions can we trust?

00:37:31.000 You don't trust your church,

00:37:32.220 you don't trust your media,

00:37:33.120 you don't trust your government,

00:37:33.900 you don't trust the police.

00:37:34.740 Who can you trust?

00:37:36.380 If we really lose all trust

00:37:38.260 for all of our institutions,

00:37:39.560 our civilization's moving nowhere.

00:37:41.380 Yeah.

00:37:41.760 And that's something that

00:37:42.780 I think people don't realize

00:37:45.220 when they,

00:37:46.460 you know,

00:37:47.460 they talk in such hyperbolic

00:37:49.100 manners and you know,

00:37:51.240 they try to put forward

00:37:52.680 this narrative about civil war

00:37:54.740 and you know,

00:37:55.780 talking about the West collapsing

00:37:57.320 in these grandiose terms,

00:37:58.780 you just go,

00:38:00.220 you're not doing good here.

00:38:02.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:03.320 You know,

00:38:03.700 there's a way to discuss these things

00:38:05.380 and these things do need

00:38:06.500 to be discussed,

00:38:07.120 but there's also a sensible way

00:38:09.460 to discuss them

00:38:10.320 without being inflammatory

00:38:11.580 and without trying

00:38:12.620 to polarize people.

00:38:14.520 Yes.

00:38:14.920 I think that the leaning towards

00:38:17.080 being inflammatory

00:38:18.280 and polarizing,

00:38:19.840 it's an unfortunate side effect

00:38:21.680 of the brain entrainment

00:38:24.140 that social media has given us.

00:38:25.860 You just get more likes,

00:38:27.320 you just get more views that way.

00:38:28.640 The more of a dick you are,

00:38:30.040 the more ridiculous statements

00:38:31.260 you make.

00:38:32.820 The three people

00:38:34.020 who are sat here now

00:38:34.960 would have more Instagram followers

00:38:36.320 if we deliberately

00:38:37.540 wound people up every week

00:38:38.980 and just adopted

00:38:40.020 the more polarized view

00:38:42.300 on any topic.

00:38:43.340 Just take the most polarized view

00:38:45.200 and just hammer that view

00:38:46.240 on any topic.

00:38:47.060 You'd have...

00:38:47.340 Well, this is what I was going to ask you.

00:38:49.180 You talk about not being

00:38:50.060 fully recovered

00:38:50.720 and I think as a society

00:38:52.060 we really haven't fully recovered

00:38:53.340 because one of the things...

00:38:56.260 There's obviously a thing

00:38:57.500 that exists

00:38:58.220 which is

00:38:59.080 on Twitter people call

00:39:01.440 I support the current thing.

00:39:03.100 Right.

00:39:03.240 Which is the government

00:39:04.220 and the mainstream media

00:39:05.220 saying you must do this,

00:39:06.260 therefore you must do this.

00:39:07.120 Yes.

00:39:07.640 We've now also seen

00:39:09.140 that there is

00:39:10.300 that I oppose

00:39:11.380 the current thing.

00:39:12.420 Okay.

00:39:12.900 And there's a whole economy

00:39:14.180 of people who are doing

00:39:15.120 what you're saying

00:39:15.860 which is going

00:39:16.680 oh, the government

00:39:17.720 is saying this

00:39:18.560 what would be the very...

00:39:20.420 Oh, here we go.

00:39:21.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:22.200 You know,

00:39:22.540 and then before you know it,

00:39:23.680 you know,

00:39:24.240 like and whatever

00:39:25.160 the opposite is

00:39:27.240 of what the government

00:39:28.060 is saying,

00:39:28.780 it's always there

00:39:29.820 and people who literally have...

00:39:32.020 and I saw it

00:39:32.940 with the war in Ukraine

00:39:33.640 because it's something

00:39:35.560 that I know a lot about

00:39:36.980 by virtue of background,

00:39:38.320 having family connections,

00:39:39.420 speaking in a language,

00:39:40.120 blah, blah, blah.

00:39:40.600 And I certainly saw these people,

00:39:42.040 people I know.

00:39:42.960 Yeah.

00:39:43.940 People who couldn't find Ukraine

00:39:45.260 on a map.

00:39:46.020 Right.

00:39:46.940 Having very strongly held

00:39:48.560 very, very extreme opinions

00:39:51.020 about that subject

00:39:51.840 and I think you've explained it perfectly

00:39:53.720 and guess what?

00:39:55.160 I reckon

00:39:55.800 if Donald Trump

00:39:58.180 had won the last election

00:39:59.560 and he was the one

00:40:01.700 sending money to Ukraine,

00:40:03.340 it would be exactly flipped.

00:40:05.740 All the people

00:40:06.600 who now oppose it

00:40:07.600 would support it

00:40:08.340 and all the people

00:40:09.020 who currently support it

00:40:10.040 would oppose it.

00:40:10.580 I mean, not all, obviously,

00:40:11.620 but the majority.

00:40:12.900 Yes, and I agree with you

00:40:14.360 and I think that

00:40:14.940 that says something very sad

00:40:16.300 about the state of modern politics.

00:40:18.140 So when I was in California

00:40:19.240 and I was talking to people there,

00:40:22.780 I was there in October

00:40:24.920 and I was saying,

00:40:26.880 you know,

00:40:27.040 I was asking around,

00:40:28.000 like,

00:40:28.180 would you vote for Biden?

00:40:29.560 And I said,

00:40:30.360 yeah, absolutely,

00:40:31.020 we would vote for Biden again.

00:40:32.360 What, with no reservation whatsoever?

00:40:34.480 And the attitude that I got

00:40:35.940 and the answer that I got

00:40:36.780 from most people was,

00:40:37.760 I would vote for anybody

00:40:39.200 as long as it meant

00:40:40.360 that Trump didn't get back in.

00:40:42.180 I was like,

00:40:42.920 okay, just

00:40:43.480 listen to yourself speak.

00:40:47.700 That's,

00:40:48.420 your vote

00:40:49.780 is just to stop

00:40:51.420 someone you don't like

00:40:52.580 from getting in.

00:40:54.840 That's not democracy.

00:40:56.680 That,

00:40:57.020 I don't know what you call that,

00:40:58.700 but that can't be,

00:40:59.900 that's not what

00:41:00.880 the voting system

00:41:01.860 was designed to do.

00:41:03.620 I'll just hate my enemies

00:41:05.200 at any cost.

00:41:06.900 It's not,

00:41:07.580 it's not,

00:41:09.040 I want this,

00:41:10.200 I believe in this policy,

00:41:11.680 this education policy is good,

00:41:13.580 it's just screw the other guys.

00:41:15.120 Whatever it takes to beat them,

00:41:17.160 that's what we're going to do.

00:41:18.400 That is not a healthy state

00:41:20.000 for politics to be in.

00:41:21.120 No,

00:41:21.500 because it's just built on revenge.

00:41:23.400 100%.

00:41:23.760 And what you see

00:41:24.780 in our culture,

00:41:26.020 a lot of what is going on

00:41:27.180 is revenge.

00:41:27.880 Yeah.

00:41:28.440 One side does one thing

00:41:29.700 to another side,

00:41:30.920 which is unfair and wrong,

00:41:32.420 and then the other side

00:41:33.500 then does the same thing,

00:41:35.160 and then they start using

00:41:36.800 each other's weapons.

00:41:38.020 Yeah.

00:41:38.180 Like the left started out

00:41:39.180 cancelling people,

00:41:39.980 and then the right went,

00:41:40.640 actually, you know what,

00:41:41.660 we're going to do the same thing.

00:41:43.080 Yes, yeah.

00:41:44.300 And you go,

00:41:45.300 well,

00:41:45.980 okay,

00:41:46.380 but what's the end game for that?

00:41:48.440 Yeah,

00:41:48.800 it creates an awful lot

00:41:50.180 of resentment,

00:41:51.020 more emotional dysregulation,

00:41:52.700 perceptions become more skewed.

00:41:55.780 And again,

00:41:57.260 when I look at this,

00:41:58.140 I think,

00:41:58.820 what is the solution?

00:42:00.160 I liked before what you said

00:42:01.380 about family.

00:42:02.520 Family,

00:42:03.100 community.

00:42:04.580 There is a practical solution.

00:42:06.240 I could get behind a movement

00:42:07.340 that said,

00:42:08.680 let's bring people back together

00:42:10.940 face to face.

00:42:12.200 It's England,

00:42:13.060 well,

00:42:13.260 it's the United,

00:42:13.960 it's cold,

00:42:14.800 it's a bit of a pain in the arse,

00:42:16.140 but we probably should see

00:42:17.300 more of each other.

00:42:18.380 Because we're all in our houses

00:42:19.460 seeing each other

00:42:20.200 through this evil thing

00:42:21.800 that just generates

00:42:22.700 the Jungian shadow in you.

00:42:24.720 You get a very strange view

00:42:26.420 of people out of the world.

00:42:27.440 There's not that many extremists

00:42:28.680 actually out there.

00:42:30.260 No.

00:42:30.400 They don't live on your road.

00:42:31.540 They don't go to your local,

00:42:32.680 if you knew the people around you,

00:42:34.940 you would probably feel

00:42:35.680 that we're better.

00:42:36.340 Plus,

00:42:36.620 I suspect that

00:42:37.360 it's just a good evolutionary match.

00:42:39.440 We probably just should be

00:42:40.300 sat around looking at each other.

00:42:41.800 We should be sat around

00:42:42.460 the campfire at the end of the day

00:42:43.740 just looking at each other

00:42:44.540 and talking.

00:42:45.480 And that would probably bring

00:42:46.400 a lot of the stress

00:42:47.160 levels down,

00:42:47.980 I suspect.

00:42:48.780 So I like that.

00:42:48.980 And I think as well, man,

00:42:50.420 whenever we talk about solutions,

00:42:52.660 we've all become very

00:42:54.200 extreme left about it

00:42:56.080 in that we always think

00:42:57.160 we need a movement

00:42:58.000 and a system

00:42:58.760 and a whatever.

00:42:59.660 Whereas actually,

00:43:00.440 I think the truth is

00:43:01.780 a lot of the solution

00:43:03.280 to what,

00:43:05.160 you know,

00:43:05.500 people go through life

00:43:06.660 and most people

00:43:08.260 live lives

00:43:09.400 where they experience

00:43:10.420 a lot of anxiety,

00:43:11.920 a lot of fear

00:43:12.880 about the future,

00:43:13.700 a lot of loneliness,

00:43:15.120 a lot of disconnection.

00:43:16.520 The answer to that

00:43:17.600 is not for the three of us

00:43:19.000 to sit here

00:43:19.580 and devise a system.

00:43:21.620 It's for you as an individual,

00:43:23.520 for me as an individual

00:43:24.560 to go for a walk,

00:43:25.860 to go to the gym,

00:43:27.180 to have children

00:43:28.240 and look after them,

00:43:29.580 to make sure your relationship

00:43:31.220 is happy,

00:43:31.640 to get therapy

00:43:32.280 if that's what you need

00:43:33.100 because sometimes

00:43:33.720 that's what you need too,

00:43:34.740 right?

00:43:34.860 to put things in place

00:43:37.060 in your own life

00:43:38.000 that make your life better

00:43:39.060 and then

00:43:40.040 when we come on set here

00:43:41.320 we can have

00:43:42.000 a conversation

00:43:43.320 as people

00:43:44.040 who are emotionally

00:43:44.920 better regulated

00:43:45.920 than otherwise would be.

00:43:46.900 I think that's much more

00:43:47.880 the answer

00:43:48.320 than coming up

00:43:49.480 with a grand plan.

00:43:51.640 I actually didn't realise

00:43:52.740 that I was unconsciously

00:43:53.720 doing that

00:43:54.100 but you're right,

00:43:54.760 it is more of a left-wing,

00:43:57.100 it's an unconscious

00:43:57.760 left-wing response

00:43:58.580 is like there should be

00:43:59.460 a movement.

00:44:00.600 Why?

00:44:01.640 That's an externalised

00:44:02.540 locus of control

00:44:03.220 and all that that would do

00:44:04.460 is further infantilise people

00:44:05.900 but I think I've been

00:44:06.960 trained into that

00:44:07.580 because a lot of my interactions

00:44:08.840 with people

00:44:09.300 are through social media

00:44:10.200 and they're constantly

00:44:11.220 saying to me

00:44:11.800 do something

00:44:12.360 and I'm like

00:44:13.280 oh,

00:44:14.260 maybe I have to do something

00:44:16.280 but you're right,

00:44:17.000 no I don't.

00:44:18.100 Why the fuck should I do?

00:44:19.300 You do something.

00:44:20.680 You're an adult,

00:44:21.700 I'm an adult,

00:44:22.660 what do I know?

00:44:23.180 Well,

00:44:23.440 as people who talk in public

00:44:24.740 or are in public

00:44:26.060 or do things in public

00:44:26.960 I think that's

00:44:27.920 actually quite a big part of it

00:44:29.400 is just

00:44:29.840 and I'm not using myself

00:44:32.220 as an example,

00:44:32.860 I remember

00:44:33.160 15 years ago

00:44:35.360 I saw

00:44:36.260 a clip of Peter Hitchens

00:44:37.680 who I used to think

00:44:38.460 was a right wing lunatic

00:44:39.380 until I became

00:44:40.240 a centrist lunatic

00:44:41.800 or whatever I am now

00:44:42.820 and he was talking about

00:44:45.080 cyclisation of everything

00:44:46.480 and he said

00:44:47.960 a lot of people

00:44:48.820 a lot of the time

00:44:49.420 people now talk about things

00:44:50.780 where the solution

00:44:52.020 is just to go

00:44:52.700 for a brisk walk

00:44:53.720 and I realised

00:44:55.220 I was sitting at home

00:44:56.340 having spent the entire day

00:44:57.860 in front of my computer

00:44:58.740 first working

00:44:59.560 then playing computer games

00:45:00.740 feeling shit

00:45:01.940 and here I was

00:45:03.180 on YouTube

00:45:03.580 listening to Peter Hitchens

00:45:04.840 why not go

00:45:06.840 for a walk

00:45:07.680 and I went for a walk

00:45:08.520 and I felt better

00:45:09.200 amazing

00:45:09.940 and I was like

00:45:10.680 oh

00:45:11.240 that's the answer

00:45:13.820 and this is I think

00:45:15.140 because

00:45:15.780 we've got to a point

00:45:17.640 where we think

00:45:18.340 that thought

00:45:19.720 is power

00:45:20.580 and it's not

00:45:22.300 thought plus action

00:45:24.160 is power

00:45:24.860 or action

00:45:25.660 is power

00:45:26.340 but thought

00:45:27.780 you can't think

00:45:28.360 your way out

00:45:28.780 of a paper bag

00:45:29.440 you have to do things

00:45:30.580 and I think

00:45:32.100 this is where

00:45:32.840 I'm really interested

00:45:33.560 to hear

00:45:33.960 what you talk about

00:45:34.940 in the book

00:45:35.300 in terms of

00:45:35.740 the practical steps

00:45:36.720 for people

00:45:37.220 to overcome

00:45:38.520 what they've experienced

00:45:40.300 in that kind of relationship

00:45:41.900 so tell us more

00:45:42.580 about the practical steps

00:45:43.680 of dealing with

00:45:44.260 things like that

00:45:44.880 there's a few things

00:45:46.300 that I advocate for

00:45:47.180 in the book

00:45:47.780 one of them

00:45:48.300 is an exercise

00:45:50.200 I came up with

00:45:50.880 for myself

00:45:51.420 when I was

00:45:51.840 years ago

00:45:52.680 back in 2013

00:45:53.700 I was living in Kuala Lumpur

00:45:54.660 but I wasn't mentally

00:45:56.200 particularly doing

00:45:57.180 very well

00:45:57.760 and I formulated

00:45:59.980 this exercise

00:46:00.800 where I wanted

00:46:02.100 to get

00:46:03.140 an objective sense

00:46:04.300 of where I was

00:46:04.840 in the world

00:46:05.180 and how people

00:46:05.680 saw me

00:46:06.160 so I did

00:46:07.200 like a profit

00:46:07.760 and loss account

00:46:08.500 put a line

00:46:09.280 right down the middle

00:46:09.940 how do I see myself

00:46:12.140 what am I really about

00:46:13.240 and then I listed

00:46:14.540 how do other people

00:46:15.800 see me

00:46:16.260 the disparity

00:46:19.020 between the two

00:46:20.400 like I had

00:46:20.920 no control

00:46:22.160 or I had

00:46:23.880 a very

00:46:24.460 big gap

00:46:26.260 between

00:46:26.700 what my intention

00:46:27.640 was

00:46:28.020 and how I was

00:46:29.000 allowing other people

00:46:29.960 to see me

00:46:30.540 you know

00:46:31.580 I was

00:46:32.040 a hundred kilogram

00:46:34.740 fat white guy

00:46:35.680 with a shaved head

00:46:36.480 living in a largely

00:46:37.400 Chinese

00:46:38.080 conservative area

00:46:39.360 and people would

00:46:40.680 treat me with suspicion

00:46:41.480 and they looked at me

00:46:42.140 like a criminal

00:46:42.700 because they were

00:46:44.720 racist

00:46:45.500 because

00:46:47.780 you can't be racist

00:46:48.580 to white people

00:46:49.200 they would have

00:46:50.420 been racist

00:46:50.920 if I wasn't

00:46:52.700 gammon

00:46:53.040 they would be racist

00:46:53.780 but they looked

00:46:55.840 at me like

00:46:56.240 I was a criminal

00:46:56.800 because I kind of

00:46:58.080 looked like a criminal

00:46:58.980 I was in a place

00:47:00.660 where there was

00:47:01.880 nobody else there

00:47:02.480 like me

00:47:02.840 I didn't

00:47:04.300 dress very well

00:47:05.260 I didn't care

00:47:06.400 about my appearance

00:47:07.280 when I spoke

00:47:07.940 to people

00:47:08.540 I used a very

00:47:10.020 abrasive style

00:47:11.160 of humour

00:47:11.640 that I thought

00:47:12.300 was funny

00:47:12.960 but it was often

00:47:14.180 a lot of like

00:47:15.260 sexual jokes

00:47:16.160 or violent jokes

00:47:17.200 or things that

00:47:17.680 are kind of

00:47:17.960 a little bit

00:47:18.240 shocking

00:47:18.600 and

00:47:20.000 I sort of

00:47:21.280 looked at that

00:47:22.380 and was like

00:47:22.860 okay

00:47:23.120 I don't want

00:47:24.160 people to see me

00:47:25.000 that way

00:47:25.360 there's a lot of

00:47:25.900 stuff I'm saying

00:47:26.600 and doing here

00:47:27.360 that is giving people

00:47:28.700 a sense of who I am

00:47:29.560 that's a million miles

00:47:30.620 away from what I care

00:47:31.760 about and what my

00:47:32.340 values are

00:47:33.020 and getting a hold

00:47:34.580 of that

00:47:35.080 really made a huge

00:47:36.980 difference in my life

00:47:37.800 because if you're

00:47:38.740 internally this

00:47:40.860 but you're

00:47:41.580 externally projecting

00:47:43.260 that

00:47:43.620 the feedback

00:47:44.540 you're getting

00:47:45.000 from the social

00:47:45.520 environment

00:47:45.960 is not congruent

00:47:46.900 with who you are

00:47:47.700 and you end up

00:47:48.900 with this weird

00:47:49.400 sense of alienation

00:47:50.320 from yourself

00:47:50.960 that creates

00:47:52.080 a huge amount

00:47:52.760 of depression

00:47:53.240 and anxiety

00:47:53.980 there's people

00:47:55.080 that we've been

00:47:55.560 talking about today

00:47:56.220 like extremists

00:47:57.020 on both sides

00:47:57.700 of the polarisation

00:47:58.960 politically

00:47:59.520 who I think

00:48:00.680 you know

00:48:01.320 with like a

00:48:01.780 one or two day

00:48:02.480 seminar

00:48:02.820 you could do

00:48:03.340 work with them

00:48:03.820 like this

00:48:04.160 and just be like

00:48:04.640 okay

00:48:05.000 you're very angry

00:48:07.120 about something

00:48:07.720 what are you

00:48:08.940 trying to

00:48:09.900 tell people

00:48:10.840 well

00:48:11.960 okay

00:48:12.780 just calmly

00:48:13.920 just can we

00:48:14.640 write it down

00:48:15.320 and then feed it

00:48:16.320 back to them

00:48:16.780 socratically

00:48:17.460 are you saying

00:48:18.860 until they're

00:48:19.840 satisfied

00:48:20.280 that you've got

00:48:20.980 a sense of

00:48:21.340 what they're

00:48:21.540 trying to say

00:48:22.000 and then just

00:48:22.760 explore the

00:48:23.240 possibility that

00:48:24.040 maybe there's a

00:48:24.720 way of conveying

00:48:25.600 it that doesn't

00:48:26.540 require all this

00:48:27.800 you can get

00:48:29.480 stuck in anger

00:48:30.280 you can get

00:48:30.820 stuck in resentment

00:48:31.640 and stuck in pain

00:48:32.640 and you become

00:48:33.500 aggressive

00:48:34.760 but you don't

00:48:35.580 mean to

00:48:36.080 I've lived it

00:48:36.680 I've lived it

00:48:37.320 I know what being

00:48:38.300 I know what being

00:48:39.460 a fringe

00:48:39.940 lunatic

00:48:40.420 radical leftist

00:48:41.260 is

00:48:41.480 I've literally

00:48:42.140 been that

00:48:42.760 somebody who's

00:48:43.520 traumatised

00:48:44.200 somebody who's

00:48:44.620 experienced sexual

00:48:46.080 and physical abuse

00:48:46.880 as a kid

00:48:47.380 who's angry

00:48:48.520 with someone

00:48:50.120 out there

00:48:50.900 who's more

00:48:51.380 powerful than

00:48:52.000 I am

00:48:52.400 and then you

00:48:53.260 become the

00:48:53.940 conspiracy theorist

00:48:54.840 it's the

00:48:55.220 structure

00:48:55.640 it's the

00:48:56.160 patriarchy

00:48:56.880 it's

00:48:57.480 I used to

00:48:58.520 write essays

00:48:59.320 railing against

00:49:00.220 western

00:49:02.140 mechanistic

00:49:03.160 scientific

00:49:04.380 perspectives

00:49:04.960 and I

00:49:05.620 really hated

00:49:07.080 it

00:49:07.340 because I

00:49:08.200 thought

00:49:08.660 that's what

00:49:10.720 had hurt me

00:49:11.280 I thought

00:49:12.040 that's what

00:49:12.680 had caused

00:49:13.080 me pain

00:49:13.580 and was

00:49:13.820 causing pain

00:49:14.400 all around

00:49:14.860 the world

00:49:15.380 and you

00:49:16.960 can

00:49:17.220 if you're

00:49:17.760 stuck

00:49:18.180 there

00:49:18.520 you can

00:49:18.940 build

00:49:19.340 that

00:49:19.600 narrative

00:49:20.040 like

00:49:20.600 if we

00:49:21.240 did a

00:49:21.520 writing

00:49:21.820 exercise

00:49:22.300 all three

00:49:22.900 of us

00:49:23.140 could

00:49:23.360 write

00:49:24.020 like that

00:49:24.600 it's not

00:49:25.140 it's not

00:49:26.420 impossible

00:49:26.940 to get

00:49:27.680 into that

00:49:28.040 headspace

00:49:28.600 but then

00:49:29.880 slowly over

00:49:30.660 time you

00:49:31.080 just have

00:49:31.400 to look

00:49:32.220 and say

00:49:32.560 okay

00:49:32.880 is that

00:49:33.920 true

00:49:34.280 you know

00:49:35.220 is the

00:49:36.120 history

00:49:36.500 of the

00:49:37.040 United

00:49:37.340 Kingdom

00:49:37.800 one of

00:49:38.520 colonisation

00:49:39.360 genocide

00:49:40.040 and slavery

00:49:40.760 and nothing

00:49:41.760 else

00:49:42.340 for example

00:49:43.240 which is

00:49:43.720 one of

00:49:44.020 those

00:49:44.240 it's

00:49:45.220 I remember

00:49:45.880 listening to

00:49:46.340 Douglas

00:49:46.620 Murray

00:49:46.840 break that

00:49:47.280 down

00:49:47.520 and when

00:49:47.800 I'm trying

00:49:48.120 to get

00:49:48.320 into that

00:49:48.580 headspace

00:49:48.960 that's

00:49:49.360 the example

00:49:49.820 I go to

00:49:50.320 first

00:49:50.620 I'm like

00:49:50.880 okay

00:49:51.180 where are

00:49:52.140 the

00:49:52.260 contravening

00:49:52.780 examples

00:49:53.220 where do

00:49:53.760 you see

00:49:53.960 the bits

00:49:54.260 and pieces

00:49:54.660 that move

00:49:55.200 against that

00:49:55.760 very simplistic

00:49:56.560 and kind

00:49:58.320 of satiating

00:49:59.420 narrative

00:49:59.880 it's like

00:50:00.480 eating a

00:50:01.080 big fat

00:50:02.500 burger

00:50:03.080 because it

00:50:04.000 gives you

00:50:04.840 everything you

00:50:05.440 want straight

00:50:05.940 away

00:50:06.160 yes

00:50:06.920 England

00:50:07.460 is awful

00:50:07.940 United Kingdom

00:50:08.620 is awful

00:50:09.040 white people

00:50:09.660 are awful

00:50:10.020 it's all

00:50:10.420 slow down

00:50:11.700 there's a few

00:50:13.380 facts

00:50:14.060 historically

00:50:14.600 speaking

00:50:15.100 that we

00:50:15.600 have to

00:50:15.940 look at

00:50:16.360 oh that's

00:50:17.280 hard

00:50:17.760 I have to

00:50:18.460 think

00:50:18.860 yeah you

00:50:19.740 might

00:50:20.060 you might

00:50:20.620 have to

00:50:20.940 think

00:50:21.240 you might

00:50:21.480 have to

00:50:21.700 look at

00:50:21.960 some

00:50:22.140 things

00:50:22.460 that

00:50:22.740 won't

00:50:23.480 make you

00:50:23.820 comfortable

00:50:24.200 that

00:50:24.580 will

00:50:25.600 go against

00:50:26.760 this

00:50:27.720 I think

00:50:28.760 some of

00:50:29.100 these

00:50:29.340 narratives

00:50:30.020 they're

00:50:30.300 placatory

00:50:30.800 it's like

00:50:31.160 sucking your

00:50:32.440 thumb

00:50:32.620 you're basically

00:50:33.260 sucking your

00:50:33.700 thumb

00:50:33.900 and going

00:50:34.420 okay I

00:50:34.760 feel better

00:50:35.160 now

00:50:35.420 Richard

00:50:36.240 do you

00:50:36.760 think

00:50:36.980 as well

00:50:37.500 let's

00:50:38.240 go back

00:50:38.820 to narcissism

00:50:39.760 to me

00:50:40.620 the conspiracy

00:50:41.360 theories

00:50:42.140 and conspiracy

00:50:42.880 theorists

00:50:43.560 and narcissism

00:50:44.540 they're quite

00:50:45.080 they seem to be

00:50:45.900 linked

00:50:46.300 because it's

00:50:47.260 someone going

00:50:47.860 I've got the

00:50:49.200 answers

00:50:49.600 I really

00:50:51.000 know what's

00:50:51.660 going on

00:50:52.340 and you see

00:50:53.460 them all the

00:50:54.280 time on social

00:50:55.100 media going

00:50:55.620 this thing

00:50:56.140 that's just

00:50:56.540 happened

00:50:56.840 this major

00:50:57.500 world event

00:50:58.220 this happened

00:50:59.260 because of

00:51:00.000 it's about

00:51:00.700 me

00:51:01.140 and I

00:51:05.960 know

00:51:06.400 why this

00:51:07.460 has happened

00:51:08.000 and it's

00:51:08.520 because of

00:51:08.980 this

00:51:09.240 and it's

00:51:09.560 like well

00:51:10.000 no you

00:51:10.460 don't

00:51:10.960 and isn't

00:51:11.560 that quite

00:51:11.920 a grandiose

00:51:12.700 thing to

00:51:13.100 say

00:51:13.380 that you

00:51:14.000 are one

00:51:14.340 of the

00:51:14.580 few

00:51:14.800 people

00:51:15.260 who

00:51:15.640 actually

00:51:15.960 really

00:51:16.560 understands

00:51:17.320 this

00:51:17.480 yes

00:51:17.700 I'm a

00:51:18.200 member

00:51:18.440 of the

00:51:18.820 gnostic

00:51:19.220 brotherhood

00:51:19.820 of the

00:51:20.040 illuminati

00:51:20.620 and I

00:51:21.140 know the

00:51:21.760 truth

00:51:22.100 yeah

00:51:22.380 it's

00:51:23.180 very

00:51:23.360 grandiose

00:51:23.960 and

00:51:24.880 yes

00:51:25.780 it's

00:51:26.060 fuelled

00:51:26.320 by

00:51:26.740 I think

00:51:27.480 it's

00:51:27.900 called

00:51:28.060 ideas

00:51:28.420 of

00:51:28.600 reference

00:51:28.940 which

00:51:29.240 is

00:51:29.380 it's

00:51:29.540 self

00:51:29.680 centered

00:51:29.940 you're

00:51:30.200 basically

00:51:30.440 saying

00:51:30.640 this is

00:51:30.840 all about

00:51:31.140 me

00:51:31.360 fundamentally

00:51:32.320 the

00:51:32.620 narrative

00:51:33.000 that they

00:51:33.400 have

00:51:33.700 behind

00:51:34.060 everything

00:51:34.380 they're

00:51:34.580 saying

00:51:34.900 is

00:51:35.140 all roads

00:51:36.020 lead

00:51:36.240 back

00:51:36.460 to

00:51:36.620 Rome

00:51:36.840 which

00:51:37.200 is

00:51:37.300 me

00:51:37.660 I

00:51:38.860 am

00:51:39.100 Rome

00:51:39.380 this is

00:51:39.840 all

00:51:40.200 about

00:51:40.560 me

00:51:40.880 and yes

00:51:41.940 there is

00:51:42.420 there is

00:51:42.900 a narcissism

00:51:43.540 to that

00:51:43.860 as well

00:51:44.120 because

00:51:44.420 it's

00:51:44.860 not only

00:51:45.340 is it

00:51:45.580 grandiose

00:51:46.220 it's

00:51:47.440 riddled

00:51:47.760 with

00:51:47.940 ideas

00:51:48.380 of

00:51:49.220 self

00:51:50.200 reference

00:51:50.600 but it's

00:51:51.800 delusional

00:51:52.440 like you

00:51:53.220 just said

00:51:53.600 no you

00:51:54.780 don't

00:51:55.160 know

00:51:55.480 none of

00:51:56.040 us

00:51:56.220 really

00:51:56.720 know

00:51:57.180 we can

00:51:57.980 look at

00:51:58.280 the evidence

00:51:58.820 and we

00:51:59.200 can hypothesize

00:52:00.220 and we

00:52:00.500 can

00:52:00.660 challenge

00:52:01.120 whatever

00:52:02.240 the

00:52:02.720 major

00:52:03.240 narrative

00:52:03.720 is

00:52:03.960 but

00:52:04.140 nobody

00:52:05.080 actually

00:52:05.740 really

00:52:06.040 knows

00:52:06.300 and

00:52:06.520 where

00:52:07.200 did

00:52:07.380 you

00:52:07.480 get

00:52:07.680 your

00:52:07.920 effing

00:52:08.340 certainty

00:52:08.920 from

00:52:09.340 and

00:52:09.880 does

00:52:10.160 that

00:52:10.360 serve

00:52:10.760 you

00:52:11.060 to

00:52:11.540 be

00:52:11.700 that

00:52:12.020 certain

00:52:12.560 all

00:52:13.560 the

00:52:13.800 time

00:52:14.220 about

00:52:14.580 every

00:52:15.160 single

00:52:15.500 topic

00:52:15.980 it

00:52:17.000 doesn't

00:52:17.260 make

00:52:17.420 sense

00:52:17.760 it's

00:52:18.020 not

00:52:18.300 I

00:52:19.580 think

00:52:20.140 that

00:52:20.660 is

00:52:21.040 that's

00:52:21.780 a

00:52:21.900 philosophical

00:52:22.240 point

00:52:22.760 that's

00:52:23.060 where I

00:52:23.340 would

00:52:23.460 say

00:52:23.580 okay

00:52:23.800 here

00:52:24.240 I

00:52:25.000 can

00:52:25.140 see

00:52:25.320 a

00:52:25.520 gap

00:52:25.820 in

00:52:26.040 the

00:52:26.180 puzzle

00:52:26.480 and

00:52:26.700 that

00:52:26.860 definitely

00:52:27.220 philosophy

00:52:27.740 goes

00:52:28.060 in

00:52:28.200 there

00:52:28.380 let's

00:52:29.240 learn

00:52:29.540 to

00:52:29.720 think

00:52:29.960 again

00:52:30.280 let's

00:52:30.680 make

00:52:30.860 thinking

00:52:31.220 great

00:52:31.560 again

00:52:31.900 you

00:52:32.560 know

00:52:32.740 the

00:52:32.960 Socratic

00:52:33.400 method

00:52:33.820 let's

00:52:34.080 go back

00:52:34.500 and

00:52:34.700 forth

00:52:35.080 what

00:52:35.340 is

00:52:35.640 your

00:52:35.740 position

00:52:36.160 is

00:52:36.540 there

00:52:36.680 any

00:52:36.960 evidence

00:52:37.360 you've

00:52:37.620 ever

00:52:37.840 seen

00:52:38.200 that

00:52:38.360 opposes

00:52:40.160 that

00:52:40.360 position

00:52:40.780 okay

00:52:41.280 well

00:52:41.760 you know

00:52:42.780 let's

00:52:43.080 think

00:52:43.320 in a

00:52:43.540 more

00:52:43.700 nuanced

00:52:44.100 way

00:52:44.440 let's

00:52:44.700 learn

00:52:44.980 to

00:52:45.180 think

00:52:45.500 whereas

00:52:45.960 what

00:52:46.780 we

00:52:46.920 have

00:52:47.160 now

00:52:47.660 is

00:52:48.700 a

00:52:49.100 screaming

00:52:49.400 mob

00:52:49.760 and

00:52:50.720 that

00:52:50.920 obviously

00:52:51.320 reduces

00:52:51.840 everything

00:52:52.440 becomes

00:52:52.960 low

00:52:53.220 resolution

00:52:53.760 there's

00:52:54.040 low

00:52:54.320 resolution

00:52:54.840 perspectives

00:52:55.400 of

00:52:55.680 problems

00:52:56.100 and

00:52:56.680 they

00:52:56.940 yield

00:52:57.460 low

00:52:57.720 resolution

00:52:58.160 solutions

00:52:58.760 of course

00:52:59.360 they

00:52:59.520 do

00:52:59.700 that

00:53:00.500 are

00:53:00.600 highly

00:53:00.860 emotive

00:53:01.480 and

00:53:01.780 extremely

00:53:02.940 self

00:53:03.200 serving

00:53:03.520 so yes

00:53:03.900 absolutely

00:53:04.280 there is

00:53:04.660 narcissism

00:53:05.140 there

00:53:05.360 and

00:53:05.800 it's

00:53:06.000 also

00:53:06.220 as well

00:53:06.560 you know

00:53:07.180 this is

00:53:08.220 the thing

00:53:08.460 that I

00:53:08.740 find

00:53:08.980 depressing

00:53:09.440 is that

00:53:09.980 if someone

00:53:10.400 says

00:53:10.760 one

00:53:11.200 thing

00:53:11.680 normally

00:53:12.840 you can

00:53:13.620 see

00:53:13.960 like

00:53:14.300 oh

00:53:14.520 you're

00:53:14.700 going

00:53:14.800 to

00:53:14.900 think

00:53:15.460 this

00:53:15.800 so

00:53:16.540 for

00:53:16.780 instance

00:53:17.080 if

00:53:17.300 someone's

00:53:17.640 really

00:53:17.940 distrustful

00:53:18.620 of the

00:53:18.860 government

00:53:19.220 and they

00:53:20.120 think

00:53:20.400 the

00:53:20.580 government

00:53:20.880 is

00:53:21.160 corrupt

00:53:21.540 and

00:53:21.780 they're

00:53:21.900 not

00:53:22.040 being

00:53:22.280 honest

00:53:22.620 which

00:53:22.920 is

00:53:23.420 a

00:53:23.540 legitimate

00:53:23.860 point

00:53:24.240 of

00:53:24.420 view

00:53:24.620 you

00:53:25.300 kind

00:53:25.560 of

00:53:25.640 go

00:53:25.760 yeah

00:53:25.940 I

00:53:26.060 bet

00:53:26.180 you're

00:53:26.340 into

00:53:26.500 bitcoin

00:53:26.920 so

00:53:29.180 these

00:53:29.500 rebels

00:53:29.980 actually

00:53:30.380 become

00:53:30.800 just

00:53:31.080 carbon

00:53:31.480 copy

00:53:32.480 printouts

00:53:32.900 and it's

00:53:33.180 the same

00:53:33.460 on the

00:53:33.660 other side

00:53:34.100 as well

00:53:34.360 and they

00:53:35.860 all think

00:53:36.500 the same

00:53:36.960 way about

00:53:37.420 a specific

00:53:38.140 set of

00:53:38.740 things

00:53:39.080 and it's

00:53:40.380 like you're

00:53:40.820 saying

00:53:41.160 we need

00:53:42.240 to

00:53:42.540 actually

00:53:43.280 make

00:53:43.740 thinking

00:53:44.080 great

00:53:44.400 again

00:53:44.640 by going

00:53:45.380 well

00:53:45.900 you can

00:53:46.540 think

00:53:46.740 the

00:53:46.900 government

00:53:47.120 is

00:53:47.380 corrupt

00:53:47.600 and

00:53:47.960 they

00:53:48.660 probably

00:53:48.960 are

00:53:49.260 yeah

00:53:49.720 but that

00:53:50.280 doesn't

00:53:50.540 mean

00:53:50.720 that

00:53:50.920 bitcoin

00:53:51.240 is

00:53:51.520 going

00:53:51.640 to

00:53:51.700 be

00:53:51.800 the

00:53:52.000 solution

00:53:52.480 that's

00:53:53.000 really

00:53:53.240 interesting

00:53:53.700 I'd

00:53:53.940 never

00:53:54.080 thought

00:53:54.340 of it

00:53:54.520 that way

00:53:54.780 before

00:53:55.040 actually

00:53:55.320 yes

00:53:55.600 you can

00:53:59.500 create a

00:53:59.840 graph

00:54:00.220 or something

00:54:00.680 for this

00:54:01.020 there will

00:54:01.640 be

00:54:01.780 and there

00:54:02.080 will be

00:54:02.360 like

00:54:02.820 I mean

00:54:03.380 the correlation

00:54:04.020 between people

00:54:04.660 in America

00:54:05.200 who are

00:54:05.620 anti-abortion

00:54:06.440 and pro-gun

00:54:07.260 or pro-masks

00:54:09.380 and therefore

00:54:10.100 pro-tax rises

00:54:11.900 you know

00:54:12.180 like

00:54:12.440 I mean

00:54:13.220 one thing

00:54:14.060 just trips

00:54:14.580 the other

00:54:14.900 well it's like

00:54:15.340 fish and chips

00:54:16.240 you can't have

00:54:16.860 one without

00:54:17.280 the other

00:54:17.760 for some reason

00:54:18.480 you know

00:54:18.800 what I mean

00:54:19.220 so you're

00:54:19.920 super pro-mask

00:54:20.960 but you're

00:54:21.300 also super

00:54:21.920 pro-abortion

00:54:22.620 wow

00:54:22.980 that would be

00:54:23.700 yeah

00:54:24.840 I'm sorry

00:54:25.600 you're super

00:54:26.120 pro-health

00:54:26.760 except for

00:54:27.720 fetuses

00:54:28.340 right

00:54:28.840 right

00:54:29.400 yeah

00:54:29.780 no

00:54:30.160 I suppose

00:54:31.180 so I suppose

00:54:32.780 it makes sense

00:54:33.420 because there's a congruence

00:54:34.340 of values there

00:54:35.140 but I also

00:54:36.020 think what you're saying

00:54:36.720 is interesting

00:54:37.120 it's like we just

00:54:37.640 fall into an archetype

00:54:38.700 because I believe this

00:54:40.100 well I don't have to

00:54:41.560 think then do I

00:54:42.300 I could just

00:54:42.840 ingest

00:54:43.280 I could just

00:54:43.680 empty my mind

00:54:44.380 and just

00:54:44.640 that's it

00:54:45.000 because look

00:54:45.660 Joe Rogan for example

00:54:46.560 we talked to him about this

00:54:47.520 he's massively into guns

00:54:48.720 I think he's massively

00:54:49.700 pro-choice as far as I understand

00:54:51.100 I don't know if he's massively

00:54:52.180 pro-choice

00:54:52.560 he's definitely

00:54:53.020 you know

00:54:53.500 not everyone has to

00:54:54.820 align with all issues

00:54:55.720 that's why I call myself

00:54:56.720 a centrist

00:54:57.280 it's not because

00:54:58.340 I am in the center

00:54:59.360 of every issue

00:55:00.320 as we've established

00:55:01.480 on some issues

00:55:02.140 I'm far right

00:55:02.800 but you know what I mean

00:55:04.660 like there's certain things

00:55:05.720 about which I feel

00:55:06.480 quite strongly to one side

00:55:07.800 there's issues about

00:55:08.580 which I feel strongly

00:55:09.360 to the left

00:55:09.920 you know

00:55:10.200 decriminalization

00:55:11.280 of certain drugs

00:55:12.000 for example

00:55:12.520 you know

00:55:12.980 and then you

00:55:14.740 the centrist

00:55:16.020 isn't really a good way

00:55:16.860 of describing that

00:55:17.720 I'm just someone

00:55:18.460 who wants to think

00:55:19.440 about things

00:55:19.980 on an individual basis

00:55:21.100 as opposed to

00:55:21.800 get a package

00:55:22.420 off the shelf

00:55:23.100 yes

00:55:24.140 and I do wonder

00:55:25.380 like when it comes

00:55:26.660 to Joe Rogan

00:55:27.440 if

00:55:28.720 there's obviously

00:55:29.580 a lot of reasons

00:55:30.320 for his appeal

00:55:31.080 but I think that could

00:55:32.000 be one of them

00:55:32.860 that could be one of them

00:55:34.060 is that the guy

00:55:34.700 can be pro-hunting

00:55:36.140 pro-meat-eating

00:55:37.460 pro-gun

00:55:38.220 and then very pro-choice

00:55:39.900 and in America

00:55:41.300 that's

00:55:41.860 it's a pretty

00:55:42.700 it's a pretty rare thing

00:55:43.920 I meet people like that

00:55:45.520 if I want to meet people

00:55:46.380 like that

00:55:46.620 when I go and visit

00:55:47.180 my sister in California

00:55:48.140 there's a place

00:55:49.280 called Iron Sights

00:55:50.220 there's a shooting range

00:55:51.160 it's like a 40 minute

00:55:52.140 drive from her house

00:55:53.140 and that's where

00:55:54.060 you'll meet

00:55:54.600 that

00:55:55.200 you can't put them

00:55:57.520 in boxes

00:55:57.940 because they're Californians

00:55:59.640 they vote this way

00:56:00.560 but they love their guns

00:56:01.560 and they will

00:56:02.680 disappear off

00:56:03.520 into the woods

00:56:04.020 if they feel

00:56:04.600 if they feel

00:56:05.560 they need to

00:56:06.080 they can survive

00:56:06.820 so there is

00:56:08.840 there is that there

00:56:09.720 so there's

00:56:10.160 there is a degree

00:56:10.960 of nuance there

00:56:12.560 and with him

00:56:13.320 I also think

00:56:14.220 the encouragement

00:56:16.080 to thought

00:56:16.880 but not

00:56:17.740 in like

00:56:18.540 well he doesn't have

00:56:19.860 a snotty English accent

00:56:20.940 and he doesn't come

00:56:22.140 from a highbrow

00:56:23.240 perspective

00:56:24.360 quoting different

00:56:25.600 various authors

00:56:26.380 that you're never

00:56:26.920 going to read

00:56:27.320 because they're hard

00:56:27.820 to read

00:56:28.260 it's more of that

00:56:29.600 sort of like

00:56:30.200 a guy who took

00:56:31.180 psychedelics

00:56:31.840 and he's like

00:56:32.220 did you ever think

00:56:33.960 that maybe

00:56:34.880 and just

00:56:35.560 like

00:56:36.260 that's philosophy

00:56:37.520 actually

00:56:38.100 that's kind of

00:56:38.900 a philosophical exercise

00:56:39.940 it's a Socratic exercise

00:56:41.140 which I think

00:56:41.780 I think that leads

00:56:42.980 to the

00:56:43.360 the broadness

00:56:45.320 of his appeal

00:56:45.860 it's also as well

00:56:47.420 I think

00:56:47.800 you know

00:56:48.140 thinking

00:56:50.320 for yourself

00:56:51.620 and challenging

00:56:52.660 narratives

00:56:53.200 and developing

00:56:54.200 your own points

00:56:54.960 of view

00:56:55.400 is going to

00:56:56.580 ostracise you

00:56:57.380 from certain people

00:56:58.320 it just is

00:56:59.800 and I think

00:57:00.860 people are really

00:57:01.420 scared of that

00:57:02.020 Richard

00:57:02.300 because we're

00:57:02.920 fundamentally tribal

00:57:03.900 we want to be

00:57:05.160 around people

00:57:05.760 we want to be

00:57:06.480 accepted

00:57:06.860 I mean you get

00:57:07.420 the odd person

00:57:08.180 who's like

00:57:08.460 I don't care

00:57:08.980 and they're fine

00:57:09.920 with it

00:57:10.180 but I think

00:57:10.560 the majority

00:57:11.040 of us

00:57:11.560 just want

00:57:12.240 our tribe

00:57:13.020 we crave it

00:57:14.740 yeah yeah

00:57:15.320 definitely

00:57:15.720 so there is

00:57:16.400 a there's a

00:57:17.340 biological instinct

00:57:18.380 towards

00:57:19.240 conforming

00:57:21.200 and I think

00:57:21.800 I think that's

00:57:23.400 one of the things

00:57:23.940 that is hard

00:57:24.980 to identify

00:57:26.000 in a moment

00:57:26.780 of polarisation

00:57:27.700 because you say

00:57:28.100 well polarisation

00:57:28.840 is a real problem

00:57:29.500 but it's the

00:57:30.380 conformist element

00:57:31.300 to it

00:57:31.700 that kind of

00:57:32.300 frightens me

00:57:32.920 and it depresses me

00:57:33.880 if I'm being

00:57:34.260 really honest

00:57:34.880 I find it

00:57:35.920 quite depressing

00:57:36.500 to see how

00:57:37.300 quickly people

00:57:38.180 will throw

00:57:38.580 themselves into

00:57:39.240 conformity

00:57:39.780 with the party

00:57:41.200 line

00:57:41.480 whatever it is

00:57:42.140 we're all

00:57:42.920 going to believe

00:57:43.660 this

00:57:44.400 and I'm going

00:57:45.620 to be very

00:57:46.280 predictable

00:57:46.820 on all my

00:57:47.720 answers to

00:57:48.280 everything

00:57:48.740 without thought

00:57:49.960 that just

00:57:51.440 that's not

00:57:52.440 philosophy

00:57:53.020 that's ideology

00:57:54.560 something is

00:57:55.580 thinking for you

00:57:56.400 it's like you've

00:57:56.840 got a brain

00:57:57.340 parasite that's

00:57:58.180 just doing the

00:57:59.060 thinking for you

00:57:59.760 I find that

00:58:02.200 depressing

00:58:02.660 I think because

00:58:04.440 of how willingly

00:58:05.760 people have given

00:58:06.600 up their

00:58:07.520 their sovereignty

00:58:09.040 in that sense

00:58:09.880 like it's just

00:58:10.400 too hard to think

00:58:11.300 the world

00:58:11.960 maybe it's

00:58:12.440 something like

00:58:12.840 this

00:58:13.040 the world's

00:58:13.760 become too

00:58:14.160 complicated

00:58:14.700 I can't

00:58:15.920 think

00:58:16.300 so think

00:58:17.160 for me

00:58:17.620 and I'll

00:58:18.220 just chant

00:58:18.940 whatever you

00:58:19.440 tell me to

00:58:19.920 chant

00:58:20.240 just absolve

00:58:21.420 me of the

00:58:21.860 need to

00:58:22.260 think it

00:58:22.660 through for

00:58:22.960 myself

00:58:23.300 and it has

00:58:23.920 become very

00:58:24.420 complicated

00:58:24.980 hasn't it

00:58:25.500 I mean

00:58:26.200 if you think

00:58:27.380 about almost

00:58:27.880 any issue

00:58:28.380 I mean

00:58:28.700 climate change

00:58:29.380 is a good

00:58:29.720 example of

00:58:30.280 this

00:58:30.420 I don't

00:58:31.380 imagine

00:58:31.720 among your

00:58:32.280 many talents

00:58:32.880 you're a

00:58:33.180 climate scientist

00:58:33.880 neither of

00:58:34.960 us is

00:58:35.360 so when

00:58:36.840 you're presented

00:58:37.560 with a

00:58:40.200 certain world

00:58:40.860 view about

00:58:41.280 that issue

00:58:41.780 and you

00:58:42.920 are

00:58:43.060 it's not

00:58:43.380 just a

00:58:43.680 world view

00:58:44.200 you are

00:58:44.620 told that

00:58:45.080 there are

00:58:45.360 certain things

00:58:45.860 that must

00:58:46.140 be done

00:58:46.540 as a result

00:58:47.740 yes

00:58:48.140 and then

00:58:49.860 on top of

00:58:50.360 that you

00:58:50.840 go well

00:58:51.240 I don't

00:58:51.800 know what's

00:58:52.160 going on

00:58:52.540 I'm not

00:58:53.220 an expert

00:58:53.600 in this

00:58:53.940 area

00:58:54.180 I'm told

00:58:55.000 that we

00:58:55.180 have to

00:58:55.420 do these

00:58:55.680 pretty

00:58:55.900 drastic

00:58:56.320 things

00:58:56.860 and if

00:58:59.020 I don't

00:58:59.820 want to

00:59:00.160 do them

00:59:00.480 or if

00:59:00.820 I don't

00:59:01.480 necessarily

00:59:02.040 believe this

00:59:02.700 or if

00:59:03.000 I have

00:59:03.220 questions

00:59:03.620 about this

00:59:04.100 or whatever

00:59:04.800 then I'm

00:59:05.520 a bad

00:59:05.800 person

00:59:06.180 and in

00:59:07.680 that

00:59:07.860 situation

00:59:08.300 I think

00:59:08.640 for a lot

00:59:09.020 of people

00:59:09.360 the temptation

00:59:09.960 is to

00:59:10.380 just go

00:59:10.840 well this

00:59:11.500 is what

00:59:11.840 we're being

00:59:12.200 told

00:59:12.540 then that's

00:59:13.440 what we

00:59:13.640 must do

00:59:14.080 which

00:59:16.020 look

00:59:16.440 and this

00:59:16.900 is kind

00:59:17.180 of the

00:59:17.360 point

00:59:17.560 is there's

00:59:18.080 a hundred

00:59:18.380 other issues

00:59:18.900 like that

00:59:19.260 you know

00:59:19.440 we've got

00:59:19.960 strikes in

00:59:20.480 this country

00:59:20.860 are they a

00:59:21.360 good thing

00:59:21.740 or a bad

00:59:22.120 thing

00:59:22.360 I don't

00:59:23.740 know

00:59:23.920 do you

00:59:24.620 does anyone

00:59:25.220 you know

00:59:26.140 you can have

00:59:27.300 a view

00:59:27.860 on it

00:59:28.180 but do you

00:59:28.720 know

00:59:29.000 no

00:59:29.380 and you

00:59:30.540 know

00:59:30.620 is

00:59:30.900 technology

00:59:31.860 good or

00:59:32.300 bad

00:59:32.540 the way

00:59:33.040 that it's

00:59:33.380 changing

00:59:33.680 at the

00:59:33.920 moment

00:59:34.180 it's got

00:59:34.660 lots of

00:59:34.980 positives

00:59:35.300 do you

00:59:36.380 give your

00:59:36.680 kid a

00:59:36.940 mobile phone

00:59:37.500 all of

00:59:39.000 these

00:59:39.180 questions

00:59:39.840 are really

00:59:40.380 really

00:59:40.600 complicated

00:59:41.140 and

00:59:42.820 I think

00:59:44.160 that a lot

00:59:45.160 of the

00:59:45.420 stuff that

00:59:45.840 we talk

00:59:46.260 about on

00:59:46.580 the show

00:59:46.820 a lot

00:59:47.040 of the

00:59:47.260 stuff

00:59:47.420 that people

00:59:47.760 who watch

00:59:48.140 our show

00:59:48.460 are dealing

00:59:48.840 with

00:59:49.100 is the

00:59:49.820 fact

00:59:50.060 as you

00:59:50.340 say

00:59:50.460 the world

00:59:50.840 is getting

00:59:51.180 very

00:59:51.480 complicated

00:59:51.960 very

00:59:52.240 quickly

00:59:52.580 and maybe

00:59:53.620 then

00:59:53.960 there is

00:59:54.980 a need

00:59:55.320 to learn

00:59:56.060 to think

00:59:56.620 that becomes

00:59:57.660 quite urgent

00:59:58.260 because we

00:59:59.460 can ask

00:59:59.860 questions

01:00:00.320 upstream of

01:00:01.040 the questions

01:00:01.480 you've just

01:00:01.920 asked

01:00:02.260 which would

01:00:02.700 be what

01:00:03.060 is good

01:00:03.400 what is

01:00:03.740 bad

01:00:04.020 like if

01:00:04.700 you say

01:00:04.940 strikes

01:00:05.260 are bad

01:00:05.760 what's

01:00:06.440 the bad

01:00:06.800 why

01:00:07.460 and when

01:00:08.380 we say

01:00:08.640 it's good

01:00:09.100 why is

01:00:09.580 something

01:00:09.800 good

01:00:10.160 you probably

01:00:11.340 do need

01:00:11.920 that

01:00:12.180 because

01:00:12.800 the larger

01:00:13.820 and more

01:00:14.640 existential

01:00:15.260 and more

01:00:15.780 complex

01:00:16.260 the problem

01:00:16.680 is

01:00:16.880 the more

01:00:17.300 likely

01:00:17.620 it is

01:00:17.920 to induce

01:00:18.300 submission

01:00:18.700 in the

01:00:18.960 person

01:00:19.260 who's

01:00:19.440 facing it

01:00:19.960 the climate

01:00:21.240 change

01:00:21.620 one

01:00:21.780 I find

01:00:22.360 mind

01:00:23.140 boggling

01:00:23.560 I'm

01:00:25.040 presented

01:00:25.400 with data

01:00:25.940 and I'm

01:00:26.380 told it's

01:00:26.860 absolutely

01:00:27.360 necessary

01:00:27.980 that we

01:00:28.360 must do

01:00:28.820 these things

01:00:29.360 off the

01:00:29.620 back of

01:00:29.920 that data

01:00:30.400 and I

01:00:31.200 think it's

01:00:31.940 unlikely

01:00:32.640 that you

01:00:33.120 can be

01:00:33.540 certain

01:00:34.100 based on

01:00:35.060 this data

01:00:35.460 that these

01:00:35.980 are the

01:00:36.200 things

01:00:36.440 that are

01:00:36.680 going to

01:00:36.880 help

01:00:37.120 or that

01:00:37.480 these

01:00:37.660 are the

01:00:37.840 things

01:00:38.020 that are

01:00:38.260 even

01:00:38.400 going to

01:00:38.600 correlate

01:00:38.920 with it

01:00:39.360 correlation

01:00:39.960 isn't

01:00:40.440 necessarily

01:00:40.880 causation

01:00:41.500 as we

01:00:41.780 know

01:00:41.940 so

01:00:42.240 yeah

01:00:43.080 the climate

01:00:43.720 change

01:00:44.040 one

01:00:44.200 is

01:00:44.320 interesting

01:00:44.720 well

01:00:45.020 even if

01:00:45.460 you accept

01:00:45.960 climate

01:00:46.320 change

01:00:46.640 is

01:00:46.760 happening

01:00:47.080 and you

01:00:47.440 think

01:00:47.660 it's

01:00:47.840 a major

01:00:48.220 urgent

01:00:48.640 issue

01:00:49.000 the thing

01:00:49.740 that I

01:00:50.020 find very

01:00:50.460 strange

01:00:50.940 is that

01:00:51.700 as I

01:00:52.540 said

01:00:52.860 in this

01:00:53.640 country

01:00:53.880 we produce

01:00:54.460 2%

01:00:54.980 of all

01:00:55.480 global

01:00:56.040 CO2

01:00:57.040 emissions

01:00:57.440 so even

01:00:58.180 if we

01:00:58.480 never

01:00:58.800 burn

01:00:59.340 never

01:01:00.020 released

01:01:00.360 another

01:01:00.600 molecule

01:01:01.040 of CO2

01:01:01.500 in the

01:01:01.700 atmosphere

01:01:01.920 it would

01:01:02.120 make no

01:01:02.700 difference

01:01:03.040 to climate

01:01:03.440 change

01:01:03.780 and yet

01:01:04.580 we are

01:01:04.880 told that

01:01:05.260 we must

01:01:05.540 kill

01:01:05.800 thousands

01:01:06.240 of pensioners

01:01:07.040 with cold

01:01:08.500 every winter

01:01:10.160 and now

01:01:13.800 I'm a bad

01:01:15.280 person

01:01:15.640 I don't

01:01:16.620 want to

01:01:16.780 be a bad

01:01:17.140 person

01:01:17.480 I don't

01:01:18.060 want to

01:01:18.240 be asking

01:01:18.660 the wrong

01:01:19.080 question

01:01:19.260 but it

01:01:19.820 seems obvious

01:01:20.480 to me

01:01:20.880 that the

01:01:21.980 solution

01:01:22.360 doesn't

01:01:22.740 match

01:01:23.000 the problem

01:01:23.740 doesn't

01:01:24.660 solve the

01:01:25.300 problem

01:01:25.560 doesn't

01:01:25.880 address

01:01:26.240 the problem

01:01:26.740 and the

01:01:27.900 solution

01:01:28.240 that we

01:01:28.580 are being

01:01:29.300 told we

01:01:29.860 must

01:01:30.100 implement

01:01:30.500 is hurting

01:01:31.500 a lot

01:01:31.800 of people

01:01:32.160 and will

01:01:32.600 continue

01:01:32.960 to hurt

01:01:33.300 lots of

01:01:33.580 people

01:01:33.820 net zero

01:01:34.660 will kill

01:01:35.540 lots of

01:01:36.420 people

01:01:36.720 there's no

01:01:37.460 question about

01:01:38.060 that

01:01:38.220 that's a

01:01:38.540 fact

01:01:38.840 so even

01:01:40.460 if you

01:01:40.740 think climate

01:01:41.220 change is

01:01:41.680 urgent and

01:01:42.220 a massive

01:01:42.540 problem

01:01:43.000 why are we

01:01:44.200 being offered

01:01:44.700 a solution

01:01:45.280 that doesn't

01:01:45.940 solve it

01:01:46.580 and kills

01:01:47.120 lots of

01:01:47.500 people

01:01:47.780 and why

01:01:48.440 am I a

01:01:48.860 bad person

01:01:49.340 for asking

01:01:49.760 the question

01:01:50.080 and then

01:01:50.360 you go

01:01:50.660 well

01:01:50.980 how do I

01:01:52.400 think about

01:01:52.900 this now

01:01:53.320 maybe the

01:01:54.520 problem is

01:01:55.020 that we

01:01:55.300 have a

01:01:56.300 top heavy

01:01:56.940 population

01:01:57.740 with too

01:01:58.240 many old

01:01:58.740 people

01:01:59.160 and the

01:02:00.000 whole

01:02:00.220 maybe they're

01:02:02.600 just trying

01:02:02.940 to find

01:02:03.220 solutions

01:02:03.720 to other

01:02:03.980 problems

01:02:04.380 masked

01:02:05.000 I don't

01:02:05.620 know

01:02:05.900 you know

01:02:06.860 that's where

01:02:07.700 my brain

01:02:08.140 goes to

01:02:08.620 I have a

01:02:09.360 perverse

01:02:09.780 mind

01:02:10.140 and I

01:02:10.400 think maybe

01:02:10.760 there's another

01:02:11.240 problem here

01:02:11.940 behind the

01:02:12.560 problem

01:02:12.900 and the

01:02:13.560 solution

01:02:13.960 what we

01:02:14.360 should look

01:02:14.660 at is the

01:02:15.060 solution

01:02:15.500 and what the

01:02:16.320 solution does

01:02:17.000 and start

01:02:17.640 questioning

01:02:18.080 is that

01:02:18.940 the point

01:02:19.580 that's

01:02:20.000 interesting

01:02:20.340 I don't

01:02:21.140 think about

01:02:22.320 it that

01:02:22.580 way

01:02:22.800 my thinking

01:02:23.740 is

01:02:24.160 I think

01:02:25.120 that

01:02:25.460 it's

01:02:27.640 actually the

01:02:28.140 other thing

01:02:28.520 that you

01:02:28.780 said

01:02:29.060 which is

01:02:29.700 there is

01:02:30.660 and Michael

01:02:31.140 Schellenberger

01:02:31.660 I don't know

01:02:32.200 if you read

01:02:32.540 his sub stack

01:02:33.280 is very good

01:02:34.040 on this

01:02:34.360 there is

01:02:35.840 a particular

01:02:36.480 world view

01:02:37.480 that you

01:02:38.260 described earlier

01:02:39.060 which is

01:02:39.480 humans are

01:02:39.960 a virus

01:02:40.500 humans are

01:02:41.440 bad

01:02:41.860 humans are

01:02:42.900 this and

01:02:43.360 that

01:02:43.620 and so

01:02:44.560 it's not

01:02:45.380 just we

01:02:45.860 must reduce

01:02:46.360 the population

01:02:46.960 which I think

01:02:47.440 is what you're

01:02:47.820 hinting at

01:02:48.160 I think it's

01:02:49.060 much more

01:02:49.680 basic than

01:02:50.440 that which

01:02:50.900 is we

01:02:51.960 must be

01:02:52.260 punished

01:02:52.600 we must

01:02:53.880 punish

01:02:54.240 ourselves

01:02:54.740 for the

01:02:55.680 terrible

01:02:56.060 harm

01:02:56.360 that I

01:02:57.520 fully

01:02:58.040 support

01:02:58.440 look

01:02:58.700 who started

01:03:00.320 the industrial

01:03:00.860 revolution

01:03:01.440 humans

01:03:02.460 we did

01:03:03.060 well it's not

01:03:03.580 just humans

01:03:04.020 it's western

01:03:04.560 humans

01:03:04.960 the worst

01:03:06.080 humans

01:03:06.420 we did the

01:03:07.580 industrial

01:03:07.880 revolution

01:03:08.300 who did

01:03:08.640 colonialism

01:03:09.140 who did

01:03:09.740 racism

01:03:10.460 who did

01:03:10.860 slavery

01:03:11.240 I mean

01:03:11.500 actually

01:03:11.740 everyone did

01:03:12.180 we'll skip

01:03:12.940 over that

01:03:13.280 but

01:03:13.420 who done

01:03:14.680 a racism

01:03:15.180 obviously

01:03:17.440 you know

01:03:17.920 no one

01:03:18.260 anywhere else

01:03:18.840 in the world

01:03:19.180 is in

01:03:19.420 any way

01:03:19.720 racist

01:03:20.020 we know

01:03:20.320 that

01:03:20.520 who's

01:03:22.540 caused

01:03:23.280 all these

01:03:24.000 great problems

01:03:24.580 that we're

01:03:24.900 now dealing

01:03:25.820 with

01:03:26.180 well let's

01:03:27.440 ignore the

01:03:27.820 fact that

01:03:28.160 China and

01:03:28.540 India are

01:03:28.880 going to

01:03:29.100 build a

01:03:29.420 coal power

01:03:29.780 station every

01:03:30.340 two days

01:03:30.760 well let's

01:03:32.860 look at

01:03:33.120 ourselves

01:03:33.480 Richard

01:03:33.780 let's look

01:03:34.580 deep into

01:03:35.120 our soul

01:03:35.540 and realise

01:03:35.920 we have

01:03:36.960 sinned

01:03:37.840 we have

01:03:38.280 sinned

01:03:38.560 and we

01:03:38.780 must atone

01:03:39.340 and I

01:03:39.940 think actually

01:03:40.640 quite a lot

01:03:41.340 of it is

01:03:41.700 coming from

01:03:42.140 that

01:03:42.380 that's why

01:03:43.880 the ordinary

01:03:44.500 person sort

01:03:46.000 of buys

01:03:46.400 into it

01:03:46.920 quite often

01:03:47.460 I think so

01:03:48.880 I agree

01:03:49.300 with you

01:03:49.560 I think

01:03:49.940 there is

01:03:50.260 undoubtedly

01:03:51.820 a religious

01:03:52.420 impulse to

01:03:53.060 this

01:03:53.320 like it is

01:03:54.040 sin

01:03:54.300 and there

01:03:54.980 must be

01:03:55.580 some sort

01:03:56.100 of penance

01:03:56.600 that is

01:03:56.920 paid

01:03:57.300 again it

01:03:59.160 seems like

01:03:59.640 a super

01:04:00.820 low resolution

01:04:01.720 proposition

01:04:02.360 and it's

01:04:04.620 weirdly

01:04:05.000 racist via

01:04:07.040 the back

01:04:07.440 door

01:04:07.720 because if

01:04:08.700 what it's

01:04:10.340 saying is

01:04:10.820 well

01:04:11.960 I don't

01:04:12.900 want to

01:04:13.040 get in

01:04:13.240 trouble

01:04:13.480 ah fuck

01:04:14.020 it

01:04:14.160 white people

01:04:15.320 white western

01:04:16.640 people are

01:04:17.460 the only

01:04:18.000 people powerful

01:04:18.920 enough to

01:04:19.720 hurt this

01:04:20.160 world

01:04:20.480 they're terribly

01:04:22.000 evil

01:04:22.340 they're the

01:04:22.760 most evil

01:04:23.440 and therefore

01:04:24.240 they're the

01:04:24.760 best at

01:04:25.680 being evil

01:04:26.240 it's still

01:04:27.140 a white

01:04:27.480 supremacism

01:04:28.200 but it's

01:04:29.920 like this

01:04:31.860 is where

01:04:32.240 Slavoj

01:04:32.680 Zizek when

01:04:33.200 he talks

01:04:33.640 about this

01:04:34.060 he gets

01:04:34.380 into trouble

01:04:34.880 where he's

01:04:35.300 like no

01:04:35.660 I want

01:04:36.260 Native

01:04:37.000 Americans

01:04:37.520 to be

01:04:38.080 able to

01:04:38.540 be evil

01:04:39.420 I want

01:04:40.060 them to

01:04:40.280 be able

01:04:40.660 to embrace

01:04:41.260 their capacity

01:04:41.920 for genocide

01:04:42.480 and torture

01:04:43.220 or Africans

01:04:44.540 or whoever

01:04:45.620 the minority

01:04:46.800 group is

01:04:47.400 because if

01:04:48.640 we own

01:04:50.020 evil

01:04:50.480 if we

01:04:51.040 colonize

01:04:51.580 evil

01:04:51.800 and make

01:04:52.100 it only

01:04:52.480 our own

01:04:52.980 thing

01:04:53.360 it's still

01:04:54.680 it can still

01:04:56.000 be a passive

01:04:56.620 flex

01:04:57.200 we're the

01:04:58.040 ones who

01:04:58.440 did this

01:04:58.900 you see

01:04:59.200 all this

01:04:59.600 terrible

01:05:00.120 we did

01:05:00.700 this

01:05:01.020 because we

01:05:01.840 were the

01:05:02.100 only

01:05:02.320 whilst you

01:05:03.180 were in

01:05:04.260 alignment

01:05:04.780 with nature

01:05:05.500 and being

01:05:06.940 one with the

01:05:07.780 earth

01:05:08.120 very nice

01:05:08.880 you noble

01:05:09.320 savages

01:05:09.740 we were the

01:05:10.580 ones who

01:05:11.060 did all this

01:05:11.520 damage

01:05:11.840 it's still

01:05:12.480 a kind of

01:05:12.920 a weird

01:05:13.200 flex

01:05:13.580 in a way

01:05:14.140 so yeah

01:05:15.800 I don't

01:05:16.420 buy it

01:05:17.360 I just

01:05:17.920 think

01:05:18.640 yeah

01:05:19.080 and it's

01:05:19.540 the whole

01:05:20.240 white guilt

01:05:20.780 thing

01:05:21.220 like come

01:05:23.080 on

01:05:23.320 it's racism

01:05:24.280 it's fundamentally

01:05:25.240 racism

01:05:25.920 you can't

01:05:27.920 you can't

01:05:28.620 escape that

01:05:29.440 structurally

01:05:30.560 you can't be

01:05:31.360 racist against

01:05:32.000 white people

01:05:33.260 whatever

01:05:34.080 but like

01:05:34.700 it's

01:05:35.200 ethnocentrism

01:05:35.960 we can at

01:05:36.440 least say that

01:05:36.920 it just doesn't

01:05:38.040 make sense

01:05:38.500 and it's a form

01:05:39.220 of narcissism

01:05:39.940 as well

01:05:40.320 100%

01:05:41.160 100%

01:05:42.180 yeah

01:05:42.700 yeah it's

01:05:43.560 mirror gazing

01:05:44.120 it's absolutely

01:05:44.900 mirror gazing

01:05:45.620 and it is

01:05:47.300 like all

01:05:48.080 narcissism

01:05:48.760 it's rooted

01:05:49.440 in a delusional

01:05:50.580 fantasy narrative

01:05:52.240 that deviates

01:05:53.640 from reality

01:05:54.320 because

01:05:54.800 reality is

01:05:56.180 too traumatic

01:05:56.740 reality

01:05:57.500 you know

01:05:58.200 when people

01:05:58.640 when children

01:05:59.140 develop

01:05:59.560 narcissistic

01:06:00.220 personality

01:06:00.640 disorder

01:06:01.040 it's because

01:06:01.480 they're raised

01:06:01.960 in environments

01:06:02.520 that are far

01:06:02.960 too traumatic

01:06:03.520 for them to deal

01:06:04.140 with

01:06:04.360 so they go

01:06:05.060 for the

01:06:05.260 infantile

01:06:05.700 defence

01:06:06.200 this is

01:06:07.040 an infantile

01:06:07.720 defence

01:06:08.120 to a

01:06:08.460 traumatic

01:06:08.780 reality

01:06:09.600 and we

01:06:12.480 are a

01:06:12.840 society

01:06:13.240 that

01:06:13.600 embraces

01:06:14.880 infantile

01:06:16.180 behaviour

01:06:16.620 we encourage

01:06:17.700 it

01:06:17.960 yeah

01:06:18.280 now

01:06:19.780 now more

01:06:20.500 than

01:06:20.800 now more

01:06:22.120 than ever

01:06:22.440 before

01:06:22.860 that's why

01:06:23.560 I think

01:06:24.220 there's a fear

01:06:25.660 of adulthood

01:06:26.220 there's a fear

01:06:27.000 of responsibility

01:06:27.660 and you know

01:06:28.920 to be fair

01:06:29.780 it's harder

01:06:30.920 than ever before

01:06:31.820 economically

01:06:32.320 it's harder

01:06:32.880 to be an adult

01:06:33.540 you know

01:06:33.980 we're not

01:06:34.440 this is

01:06:35.040 than ever before

01:06:35.840 than two

01:06:37.400 I see

01:06:37.920 you've bought

01:06:38.220 the leftist

01:06:38.660 bullshit man

01:06:39.280 it's harder

01:06:39.880 than 200 years

01:06:40.760 ago

01:06:41.060 200 years

01:06:42.860 ago

01:06:43.080 you'd be

01:06:43.440 sleeping

01:06:43.880 in a factory

01:06:44.520 your wife

01:06:44.980 would be

01:06:45.240 sleeping

01:06:45.540 in another

01:06:46.000 part of

01:06:46.360 the factory

01:06:46.840 you know

01:06:47.720 what I mean

01:06:48.040 can we make

01:06:52.440 comparisons

01:06:53.020 today to

01:06:53.500 200 years

01:06:54.080 ago

01:06:54.400 yeah

01:06:55.660 okay

01:06:56.180 you got me

01:06:57.440 there

01:06:57.780 do you see

01:06:58.660 what I mean

01:06:59.060 I do

01:07:00.120 I'm not trying

01:07:00.560 to catch you

01:07:01.080 out

01:07:01.240 no no no

01:07:01.820 no but do

01:07:02.720 catch me

01:07:03.200 out

01:07:03.540 okay

01:07:03.860 because I want

01:07:04.780 to be caught

01:07:05.260 out

01:07:05.560 200 years

01:07:06.700 ago

01:07:06.900 people were

01:07:07.280 just breeding

01:07:07.680 like rabbits

01:07:08.340 because they

01:07:08.900 didn't

01:07:09.720 we were

01:07:10.200 ignorant

01:07:10.520 and we

01:07:11.500 didn't read

01:07:12.220 we would

01:07:12.640 just poke

01:07:13.100 each other

01:07:13.480 well forget

01:07:14.120 200 years

01:07:14.720 ago

01:07:14.860 compare yourself

01:07:15.480 to your

01:07:15.780 grandparents

01:07:16.240 is your

01:07:16.780 life easier

01:07:17.280 or harder

01:07:17.680 it's easy

01:07:18.580 it was easier

01:07:19.140 for them

01:07:19.580 it was more

01:07:20.160 rewarding for

01:07:20.820 them to become

01:07:21.320 adults

01:07:21.740 for my

01:07:22.280 grandparents

01:07:22.640 I am not

01:07:24.080 allowed to be

01:07:24.780 a masculine

01:07:25.400 I caught him

01:07:26.280 no but this is

01:07:27.720 great

01:07:27.960 Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

01:07:28.740 of the mind

01:07:29.280 I thought

01:07:29.920 I thought about

01:07:30.500 this yesterday

01:07:31.180 because I wondered

01:07:32.160 if this would

01:07:32.600 come up

01:07:33.020 for my

01:07:34.520 grandparents

01:07:35.040 let me present

01:07:36.180 let me present

01:07:36.700 it to you

01:07:37.120 1930

01:07:38.020 so

01:07:38.760 they had no

01:07:41.080 choice

01:07:41.500 they could only

01:07:42.400 they had a

01:07:43.240 potential marriage

01:07:44.180 pool of about

01:07:44.840 30 people

01:07:45.540 largely they had

01:07:46.540 to be in the

01:07:46.840 same geographical

01:07:47.400 location

01:07:48.020 my father

01:07:49.100 my grandfather

01:07:49.960 was a man

01:07:50.700 rewarded for being

01:07:51.600 a man

01:07:51.880 rewarded for his

01:07:52.600 masculinity

01:07:53.080 his masculinity

01:07:54.240 wasn't the

01:07:54.960 bloated

01:07:55.460 hyperbolic

01:07:56.380 cartoonish

01:07:56.960 masculinity

01:07:57.440 of steroids

01:07:58.120 and neck

01:07:58.560 tattoos

01:07:58.880 that we have

01:07:59.320 today

01:07:59.660 he was a

01:08:01.100 skinny little

01:08:01.760 dude

01:08:02.020 but he could

01:08:02.800 fix cars

01:08:04.360 he flew

01:08:05.380 planes for

01:08:05.980 the navy

01:08:06.660 he did up

01:08:07.580 houses

01:08:07.960 worked with

01:08:08.640 his hands

01:08:09.020 he was a

01:08:09.640 useful

01:08:10.000 providing man

01:08:10.920 my grandmother

01:08:11.700 was a woman

01:08:12.180 she was rewarded

01:08:12.840 for being a woman

01:08:13.440 she had women's

01:08:14.200 interests

01:08:14.680 she made

01:08:15.860 dresses

01:08:17.620 and did

01:08:18.380 hairdressing

01:08:18.880 for people

01:08:19.420 they were

01:08:20.940 rewarded by

01:08:21.620 their culture

01:08:22.220 for being a

01:08:23.360 man

01:08:23.500 for being a

01:08:23.960 woman

01:08:24.180 when they

01:08:25.120 got married

01:08:25.800 the greatest

01:08:26.640 stress of their

01:08:27.400 marriage

01:08:27.860 was that

01:08:28.300 she was

01:08:28.660 protestant

01:08:29.220 and he

01:08:29.500 was catholic

01:08:30.000 my goodness

01:08:30.780 could you

01:08:31.340 imagine

01:08:31.740 the scandal

01:08:33.160 then they

01:08:34.120 they went

01:08:35.640 to work

01:08:36.280 and they

01:08:36.760 could afford

01:08:37.160 to buy a

01:08:37.600 house

01:08:37.900 by the time

01:08:38.900 he was 35

01:08:39.620 he had three

01:08:40.440 of his four

01:08:40.920 children

01:08:41.320 and everyone

01:08:42.400 was on side

01:08:44.300 with him

01:08:44.680 doing that

01:08:45.280 a young man

01:08:46.520 today

01:08:46.920 so we go

01:08:47.720 back to

01:08:48.320 a young man

01:08:49.240 today

01:08:49.660 can't be a

01:08:50.400 man

01:08:50.600 can't be

01:08:51.200 masculine

01:08:51.640 can't chase

01:08:52.300 women

01:08:52.620 chasing women

01:08:53.480 is like

01:08:54.160 sexual assault

01:08:55.580 liking women

01:08:57.100 well that's

01:08:57.660 heteronormative

01:08:58.420 but come on

01:09:00.340 on this part

01:09:01.300 of it

01:09:01.520 you're exaggerating

01:09:02.340 a little bit

01:09:02.820 for tiny bit

01:09:04.600 it was easier

01:09:05.320 for them

01:09:05.860 to become

01:09:06.380 adults

01:09:06.780 was my

01:09:07.460 premise

01:09:08.340 I accept

01:09:09.220 the premise

01:09:09.840 I think you're

01:09:10.440 right

01:09:10.740 in that we

01:09:11.540 make adulthood

01:09:12.980 harder now

01:09:13.760 and people

01:09:14.320 fear it

01:09:14.880 for that reason

01:09:15.460 on the other

01:09:16.400 hand

01:09:16.740 and this is the

01:09:18.040 point I always

01:09:18.540 think about

01:09:19.060 take my

01:09:20.380 grandmother

01:09:20.780 she's

01:09:21.960 15 years

01:09:23.140 well

01:09:23.480 when she's

01:09:25.540 probably

01:09:28.040 about

01:09:28.280 seven

01:09:28.640 there's

01:09:29.780 a mass

01:09:30.500 famine

01:09:31.120 where she

01:09:32.300 lives

01:09:32.580 because the

01:09:33.120 government's

01:09:33.560 decided that

01:09:34.240 that's what

01:09:34.560 needs to

01:09:34.880 happen

01:09:35.120 and millions

01:09:35.760 of people

01:09:36.120 starve

01:09:36.560 she's

01:09:38.620 Ukrainian

01:09:38.940 yeah

01:09:39.300 the peasants

01:09:41.220 who happen

01:09:41.760 to have a

01:09:42.140 horse which

01:09:42.560 makes them

01:09:42.960 kulaks

01:09:43.440 rich peasants

01:09:44.080 so the

01:09:44.460 communists

01:09:44.820 come and

01:09:45.260 take their

01:09:45.840 horse and

01:09:46.300 deport them

01:09:46.740 to Siberia

01:09:47.440 they eventually

01:09:48.960 make their

01:09:49.460 way back

01:09:49.980 and within

01:09:51.780 a few years

01:09:52.720 Nazi Germany

01:09:53.920 invades

01:09:54.400 and there's

01:09:56.120 a holocaust

01:09:56.700 happening

01:09:57.140 that involves

01:09:58.120 a lot of

01:09:58.580 the area

01:09:58.900 millions of

01:09:59.740 people killed

01:10:00.360 people go

01:10:01.340 off to war

01:10:01.880 and are

01:10:02.420 murdered

01:10:02.740 and whatever

01:10:03.200 and my

01:10:03.540 grandmother

01:10:03.900 I've told

01:10:04.580 this story

01:10:04.920 before

01:10:05.280 she and her

01:10:06.120 girlfriends

01:10:06.460 the main

01:10:06.880 conversation

01:10:07.400 they had

01:10:07.900 when the

01:10:08.460 war ended

01:10:08.920 was will

01:10:09.680 we ever

01:10:10.080 taste real

01:10:10.700 bread again

01:10:11.240 that's how

01:10:12.040 they lived

01:10:12.540 maybe it

01:10:17.940 was easier

01:10:18.260 for her

01:10:18.620 to become

01:10:19.720 an adult

01:10:20.120 but would

01:10:21.040 I trade

01:10:21.440 places

01:10:21.980 that's a

01:10:24.180 that's a

01:10:24.640 slightly

01:10:25.060 different

01:10:25.340 question

01:10:25.660 you're

01:10:26.680 sort of

01:10:26.920 saying

01:10:27.100 was life

01:10:27.700 easier

01:10:28.100 before

01:10:28.300 yes

01:10:28.780 but given

01:10:29.780 that you've

01:10:30.220 made that

01:10:30.540 point

01:10:30.800 I would

01:10:31.220 like to

01:10:31.540 moderate

01:10:31.900 my

01:10:32.220 premise

01:10:32.720 and say

01:10:33.260 there are

01:10:33.680 more barriers

01:10:34.400 to adulthood

01:10:34.960 now

01:10:35.280 there would

01:10:35.740 be no

01:10:36.220 barriers

01:10:36.640 to adulthood

01:10:37.080 before

01:10:37.480 there's

01:10:37.940 also more

01:10:38.360 rewards

01:10:38.720 for the

01:10:38.960 remaining

01:10:39.260 infantile

01:10:39.880 yeah

01:10:41.480 there's

01:10:41.960 more

01:10:42.160 rewards

01:10:42.520 there's

01:10:43.760 more rewards

01:10:44.240 you know

01:10:45.080 what are

01:10:45.820 the rewards

01:10:46.300 of remaining

01:10:46.840 infantile

01:10:47.220 one of

01:10:47.780 them is

01:10:48.020 you don't

01:10:48.360 have to

01:10:48.720 take

01:10:48.920 responsibility

01:10:49.560 and people

01:10:50.640 will not

01:10:51.180 look down

01:10:51.720 upon you

01:10:52.100 for doing

01:10:52.460 it

01:10:52.620 this is

01:10:53.340 one of

01:10:53.600 the things

01:10:53.880 that happens

01:10:54.420 when you

01:10:54.700 abolish the

01:10:55.180 concept of

01:10:55.700 shame

01:10:55.980 which is

01:10:56.600 a very

01:10:56.800 useful

01:10:57.080 concept

01:10:57.620 shame

01:10:58.500 was a way

01:10:59.100 society

01:10:59.560 regulated

01:11:00.220 people

01:11:00.660 he wants

01:11:01.240 people to

01:11:01.560 have kids

01:11:02.000 and he wants

01:11:02.400 to bring

01:11:02.660 back shame

01:11:03.120 he's fully

01:11:04.120 formed

01:11:04.500 right wing

01:11:04.820 I've become

01:11:05.340 fully right

01:11:05.820 wing

01:11:05.980 I 1000%

01:11:09.400 agree with

01:11:09.820 you

01:11:09.960 it's just

01:11:10.420 that society

01:11:11.000 has moved

01:11:11.280 so far

01:11:11.760 in other

01:11:12.000 directions

01:11:12.520 that people

01:11:12.980 who want

01:11:13.660 society

01:11:14.040 to still

01:11:14.400 function

01:11:14.740 are right

01:11:15.140 wing

01:11:15.380 essentially

01:11:16.000 right

01:11:16.280 but

01:11:16.700 am I

01:11:19.420 wrong

01:11:19.720 from where

01:11:21.380 I sit

01:11:21.800 here today

01:11:22.340 it's hard

01:11:23.060 for me

01:11:23.360 to argue

01:11:23.860 that

01:11:24.140 I don't

01:11:24.880 want to be

01:11:25.140 sitting here

01:11:25.540 saying this

01:11:26.000 because

01:11:26.240 politically

01:11:26.800 I'm not

01:11:27.320 right wing

01:11:27.780 but on a

01:11:28.340 practical

01:11:29.000 it's like

01:11:29.500 well it's

01:11:30.960 like vote

01:11:31.380 left

01:11:31.680 live right

01:11:32.180 this is

01:11:32.580 what they

01:11:32.880 always say

01:11:33.360 this is

01:11:33.800 what they

01:11:34.060 say about

01:11:34.660 middle class

01:11:35.580 people in

01:11:35.980 this country

01:11:36.380 a lot of

01:11:37.060 them will

01:11:37.360 vote left

01:11:38.080 but if you

01:11:38.740 look at how

01:11:39.120 they live

01:11:39.560 their actual

01:11:40.080 life

01:11:40.400 they're right

01:11:40.820 wing

01:11:41.060 you know

01:11:41.940 they take

01:11:42.540 responsibility

01:11:43.080 they teach

01:11:43.720 their kids

01:11:44.080 to take

01:11:44.420 responsibility

01:11:44.700 all of this

01:11:45.220 other shit

01:11:45.580 right

01:11:45.780 so my point

01:11:46.520 is about

01:11:46.860 shame

01:11:47.280 is

01:11:47.780 shame

01:11:49.980 is the

01:11:50.840 society's

01:11:51.660 mechanism

01:11:52.020 of enforcing

01:11:52.880 a certain

01:11:53.280 set of

01:11:53.640 rules

01:11:53.920 right

01:11:54.360 you take

01:11:55.120 you take

01:11:55.140 that away

01:11:55.740 you say

01:11:56.320 there is

01:11:57.000 no

01:11:57.340 there's

01:11:58.080 no problem

01:11:59.000 with being

01:11:59.440 massively

01:11:59.840 overweight

01:12:00.240 we must

01:12:00.680 not shame

01:12:01.360 people for

01:12:01.980 that

01:12:02.120 and

01:12:02.780 emotionally

01:12:03.780 I agree

01:12:04.460 with that

01:12:04.760 I don't

01:12:05.060 want to

01:12:05.300 shame

01:12:05.620 anyone

01:12:05.960 I don't

01:12:06.660 want to

01:12:06.860 make people

01:12:07.280 feel bad

01:12:07.860 about a

01:12:08.920 condition

01:12:09.460 that they

01:12:09.960 can't deal

01:12:10.520 with

01:12:11.260 right

01:12:11.480 you don't

01:12:12.520 have to

01:12:12.720 go to

01:12:13.740 the gym

01:12:14.000 you don't

01:12:14.280 have to

01:12:14.580 manage

01:12:14.840 your diet

01:12:15.220 these things

01:12:15.680 are difficult

01:12:16.240 they're

01:12:16.960 unpleasant

01:12:17.440 often

01:12:17.860 right

01:12:18.140 why don't

01:12:18.920 you

01:12:19.220 just

01:12:20.000 you know

01:12:20.320 be infantile

01:12:21.060 about it

01:12:21.480 go

01:12:21.700 this is

01:12:22.440 a thing

01:12:22.800 that's

01:12:23.060 happening

01:12:23.380 to me

01:12:23.960 and society

01:12:25.200 will go

01:12:25.680 oh poor

01:12:26.620 little you

01:12:27.280 or poor

01:12:28.000 big you

01:12:28.700 in this

01:12:28.980 case

01:12:29.240 right

01:12:29.660 and

01:12:31.180 poor sweating

01:12:32.080 heavy breathing

01:12:32.720 you

01:12:33.060 exactly

01:12:33.840 diabetic

01:12:34.460 you

01:12:34.900 sounds like

01:12:35.860 a great

01:12:36.200 kids book

01:12:36.720 doesn't it

01:12:37.060 exactly

01:12:37.440 so

01:12:38.700 society

01:12:40.380 will reward

01:12:41.220 you for

01:12:41.600 that

01:12:41.900 and also

01:12:42.600 if you

01:12:43.340 want to

01:12:44.200 engage

01:12:44.580 in victimhood

01:12:45.340 you get

01:12:46.520 currency

01:12:46.960 you can

01:12:47.600 and more

01:12:48.460 importantly

01:12:48.900 than that

01:12:49.340 on social

01:12:49.740 media

01:12:50.040 you get

01:12:50.380 power

01:12:50.940 we love

01:12:52.820 a bit

01:12:53.060 of power

01:12:53.440 don't we

01:12:53.840 someone asked

01:12:57.580 me where

01:12:57.840 I'm really

01:12:58.120 from

01:12:58.440 I can

01:13:00.220 go and

01:13:00.620 do a

01:13:00.900 tour

01:13:01.100 of all

01:13:01.360 the

01:13:01.560 TV

01:13:02.220 studios

01:13:02.760 and explain

01:13:03.440 why

01:13:03.780 instead

01:13:04.160 of being

01:13:04.600 mature

01:13:05.520 about it

01:13:06.180 and going

01:13:06.600 this person

01:13:07.340 is probably

01:13:07.820 trying to

01:13:08.240 communicate

01:13:08.620 something

01:13:08.980 reasonable

01:13:09.440 let's find

01:13:09.960 out what

01:13:10.220 that is

01:13:10.480 let's have

01:13:10.800 a conversation

01:13:11.300 that's what

01:13:11.980 an adult

01:13:12.320 does

01:13:12.680 but infantile

01:13:14.320 behaviour

01:13:14.720 is rewarded

01:13:15.580 you're not

01:13:16.100 going to get

01:13:16.560 on TV

01:13:17.240 screens

01:13:17.680 if all

01:13:18.120 you say

01:13:18.520 is

01:13:18.780 someone

01:13:20.180 asked me

01:13:20.560 where I'm

01:13:20.760 really

01:13:20.920 from

01:13:21.280 I went

01:13:21.720 oh I'm

01:13:22.080 actually

01:13:22.280 from

01:13:22.500 and we

01:13:23.000 had a

01:13:23.220 nice

01:13:23.400 conversation

01:13:23.940 so you

01:13:24.880 reward that

01:13:25.540 as well

01:13:26.000 doesn't mean

01:13:27.260 I agree

01:13:28.240 with both

01:13:28.660 of you

01:13:28.980 yes

01:13:29.440 housing

01:13:30.260 crisis

01:13:30.660 big problem

01:13:31.440 that creates

01:13:33.740 challenges

01:13:34.200 and particularly

01:13:35.140 now

01:13:35.600 living standards

01:13:37.060 are probably

01:13:37.440 not going to

01:13:37.800 be getting

01:13:38.100 better

01:13:38.400 it's going

01:13:38.760 to be

01:13:38.960 a harder

01:13:39.340 time

01:13:39.620 for young

01:13:39.960 people

01:13:40.200 to find

01:13:40.600 a job

01:13:40.980 and so

01:13:41.340 on

01:13:41.460 so

01:13:41.640 these things

01:13:42.360 definitely

01:13:42.720 exist

01:13:43.140 but at

01:13:43.700 the end

01:13:43.960 of the

01:13:44.200 day

01:13:44.460 if we're

01:13:45.480 sitting here

01:13:45.840 talking about

01:13:46.360 it from

01:13:46.560 the point

01:13:46.900 of your

01:13:47.220 book

01:13:47.580 and the

01:13:48.260 conversation

01:13:48.700 we're having

01:13:50.560 there is no

01:13:51.900 other answer

01:13:52.440 is there

01:13:52.800 than personal

01:13:53.340 responsibility

01:13:53.980 whatever is

01:13:55.240 going on

01:13:56.300 I haven't

01:13:57.600 found one

01:13:58.020 there's no

01:13:58.660 other answer

01:13:59.140 that's sustainable

01:13:59.820 I think

01:14:00.840 I hope

01:14:02.200 I suspect

01:14:04.980 that this

01:14:05.540 I wish there

01:14:06.000 were

01:14:06.280 I don't

01:14:06.600 want to

01:14:06.820 even I

01:14:07.360 I'm someone

01:14:08.000 who's naturally

01:14:08.460 quite

01:14:08.780 I lean into

01:14:10.280 responsibility

01:14:10.840 I don't want

01:14:11.600 to take

01:14:11.860 responsibility

01:14:12.460 most of the

01:14:12.900 time

01:14:13.040 I don't

01:14:13.680 want to

01:14:13.920 think about

01:14:14.480 you know

01:14:14.940 we've got

01:14:15.520 this problem

01:14:15.960 with trigonometry

01:14:16.600 we need to

01:14:17.080 sort out

01:14:17.380 I've got

01:14:17.920 this problem

01:14:18.240 I wish

01:14:19.000 someone took

01:14:19.660 care of

01:14:20.180 all of that

01:14:20.460 for me

01:14:20.840 but I

01:14:21.260 haven't

01:14:21.600 found

01:14:22.000 a system

01:14:23.380 that I've

01:14:23.960 been able

01:14:24.340 to make

01:14:24.980 make things

01:14:26.540 happen for

01:14:27.160 me

01:14:27.400 maybe that's

01:14:28.540 what I need

01:14:28.820 to do

01:14:29.100 but I haven't

01:14:29.560 found it

01:14:30.040 so the only

01:14:30.800 answer I'm

01:14:31.480 seeing is

01:14:32.040 you go

01:14:32.920 what's working

01:14:33.840 cool let's

01:14:34.500 do more of

01:14:35.000 that

01:14:35.180 what's not

01:14:35.780 working

01:14:36.180 let's not

01:14:37.340 do as much

01:14:37.820 of that

01:14:38.120 and learn

01:14:38.920 and grow

01:14:39.260 over time

01:14:39.760 and make

01:14:40.160 mistakes

01:14:40.620 and pay

01:14:41.180 for them

01:14:41.580 pay for

01:14:42.840 mistakes

01:14:43.540 in expensive

01:14:44.500 ways

01:14:44.900 and learn

01:14:45.440 right

01:14:45.740 I don't see

01:14:46.760 any other

01:14:47.080 answer

01:14:47.400 do you

01:14:47.800 no I

01:14:49.240 don't

01:14:49.580 but as

01:14:50.980 you were

01:14:51.400 talking

01:14:51.700 there

01:14:52.020 it worries

01:14:52.580 me

01:14:52.900 because you

01:14:53.380 said

01:14:53.700 what you

01:14:55.180 just said

01:14:55.700 was

01:14:56.020 vote left

01:14:57.320 live right

01:14:58.500 but then

01:14:59.740 aren't we

01:15:01.780 going to end

01:15:02.240 up

01:15:02.480 so in a

01:15:04.580 population of

01:15:05.300 people who

01:15:05.960 do that

01:15:06.380 there'll be

01:15:07.160 the majority

01:15:08.000 will vote

01:15:09.580 left

01:15:09.920 and live

01:15:10.660 left

01:15:10.980 and the

01:15:11.900 appeals to

01:15:12.340 authoritarianism

01:15:13.040 will continue

01:15:13.600 you're voting

01:15:15.980 for them

01:15:17.360 but you're

01:15:18.600 carrying the

01:15:19.180 burden

01:15:19.480 it's like that

01:15:20.060 John Galt

01:15:20.760 I'm not

01:15:22.180 voting for

01:15:22.740 them

01:15:23.000 right

01:15:23.740 but I'm

01:15:25.460 just saying

01:15:25.840 in terms of

01:15:26.280 my own

01:15:26.580 life

01:15:26.840 that is

01:15:27.420 the things

01:15:28.280 that I

01:15:28.620 have found

01:15:29.120 to work

01:15:29.860 as for the

01:15:30.660 way I

01:15:30.980 vote

01:15:31.300 look

01:15:32.460 I voted

01:15:33.840 Lib Dem

01:15:34.340 and Labour

01:15:34.740 all my

01:15:35.060 life

01:15:35.360 at the

01:15:35.900 last election

01:15:36.640 purely because

01:15:37.860 of Brexit

01:15:38.300 and I

01:15:38.700 thought

01:15:38.880 even though

01:15:39.840 I voted

01:15:40.180 Remain

01:15:40.600 the way

01:15:41.440 people

01:15:41.820 were treated

01:15:43.340 and the way

01:15:44.180 that issue

01:15:44.600 was treated

01:15:45.040 was just

01:15:45.640 completely

01:15:46.080 undemocratic

01:15:46.720 and that's

01:15:47.280 why I

01:15:47.640 voted

01:15:47.920 for the

01:15:48.560 Conservatives

01:15:49.040 because they

01:15:49.500 were the

01:15:49.720 only party

01:15:50.200 that promised

01:15:50.660 to implement

01:15:51.140 a decision

01:15:51.540 I didn't

01:15:51.880 vote for

01:15:52.340 but that's

01:15:53.020 what the

01:15:53.260 people voted

01:15:53.740 for and

01:15:54.100 that's why

01:15:54.520 right

01:15:54.780 so

01:15:55.400 has that

01:15:57.840 made a

01:15:58.120 big difference

01:15:58.720 I mean

01:15:59.060 probably not

01:15:59.640 right

01:15:59.900 the Conservative

01:16:01.340 Party

01:16:01.700 isn't the

01:16:02.100 party of

01:16:02.460 personal

01:16:02.720 responsibility

01:16:03.260 either

01:16:03.620 okay

01:16:06.060 so to

01:16:06.560 take

01:16:06.800 just a

01:16:07.300 slightly

01:16:07.580 different

01:16:07.960 tack

01:16:08.280 on that

01:16:09.360 I'm

01:16:10.560 just

01:16:10.700 wondering

01:16:11.040 now

01:16:11.760 if

01:16:12.220 being

01:16:12.820 reasonable

01:16:13.420 is

01:16:14.740 reaching

01:16:15.140 its

01:16:15.320 limits

01:16:15.560 like

01:16:15.860 you're

01:16:16.080 very

01:16:16.280 reasonable

01:16:16.640 you're

01:16:16.900 very

01:16:17.060 reasonable

01:16:17.440 maybe

01:16:17.920 it's

01:16:18.100 the

01:16:18.200 time

01:16:18.380 to be

01:16:18.620 unreasonable

01:16:19.020 if

01:16:20.180 your

01:16:20.360 enemies

01:16:20.740 are

01:16:20.920 not

01:16:21.080 reasonable

01:16:21.460 if

01:16:21.720 your

01:16:21.860 enemies

01:16:22.140 are

01:16:22.300 not

01:16:22.420 listening

01:16:22.740 to

01:16:22.980 you

01:16:23.220 should

01:16:23.820 you

01:16:23.960 continue

01:16:24.380 to be

01:16:24.800 reasonable

01:16:25.120 you've

01:16:25.380 got a

01:16:25.580 very

01:16:25.740 balanced

01:16:26.280 quite a

01:16:27.280 kind

01:16:27.640 approach

01:16:28.160 who are

01:16:28.640 my

01:16:28.760 enemies

01:16:29.100 though

01:16:29.380 who

01:16:29.980 are

01:16:30.160 your

01:16:30.300 enemies

01:16:30.620 I

01:16:31.080 don't

01:16:31.240 think

01:16:31.640 I

01:16:31.760 have

01:16:31.920 enemies

01:16:32.280 I

01:16:32.560 think

01:16:32.900 I

01:16:33.040 have

01:16:33.200 people

01:16:33.460 that

01:16:33.620 I

01:16:33.740 disagree

01:16:34.040 with

01:16:34.400 about

01:16:34.700 the

01:16:35.060 way

01:16:35.300 we

01:16:35.980 should

01:16:36.140 structure

01:16:36.540 society

01:16:37.080 but

01:16:37.300 they're

01:16:37.420 not

01:16:37.520 my

01:16:37.660 enemies

01:16:38.020 I

01:16:38.460 don't

01:16:38.600 think

01:16:38.860 I

01:16:39.520 think

01:16:39.880 to a

01:16:42.020 large

01:16:42.240 extent

01:16:42.640 the

01:16:43.040 Chinese

01:16:43.320 Communist

01:16:43.660 Party

01:16:44.080 and

01:16:44.900 the

01:16:45.260 Russian

01:16:45.500 dictatorship

01:16:46.120 they're

01:16:46.500 my

01:16:46.660 enemies

01:16:46.980 right

01:16:48.440 what

01:16:48.920 about

01:16:49.380 people

01:16:49.720 who

01:16:49.900 affect

01:16:50.260 your

01:16:50.800 child's

01:16:51.400 future

01:16:51.680 what

01:16:51.920 about

01:16:52.080 people

01:16:52.300 who

01:16:52.420 are

01:16:52.440 going

01:16:52.520 to

01:16:52.620 promote

01:16:53.000 transgender

01:16:53.600 resume

01:16:54.060 and

01:16:54.520 it's

01:16:54.780 my

01:16:54.960 job

01:16:55.120 to

01:16:55.300 protect

01:16:55.600 them

01:16:55.740 from

01:16:55.900 that

01:16:56.100 you

01:16:57.040 wouldn't

01:16:57.600 consider

01:16:57.960 those

01:16:58.180 people

01:16:58.380 your

01:16:58.540 enemies

01:16:58.820 no

01:16:59.220 I

01:17:00.200 don't

01:17:00.340 think

01:17:00.460 it's

01:17:00.620 a

01:17:00.700 healthy

01:17:00.920 way

01:17:01.160 to

01:17:01.300 do

01:17:01.460 that

01:17:01.680 they're

01:17:01.920 not

01:17:02.060 my

01:17:02.220 enemies

01:17:02.600 and

01:17:03.600 also

01:17:03.900 the

01:17:04.480 problem

01:17:04.760 is

01:17:04.980 I

01:17:05.620 can

01:17:06.700 buy

01:17:06.940 into

01:17:07.180 the

01:17:07.340 warrior

01:17:07.600 mindset

01:17:07.980 in

01:17:08.260 that

01:17:08.400 thing

01:17:09.160 except

01:17:09.760 we're

01:17:10.100 not

01:17:10.320 in

01:17:10.500 a

01:17:10.640 physical

01:17:10.940 war

01:17:11.320 like

01:17:11.920 if

01:17:12.280 you

01:17:12.420 said

01:17:12.640 to

01:17:12.800 me

01:17:12.980 there's

01:17:13.420 some

01:17:13.580 people

01:17:14.000 out

01:17:14.480 there

01:17:14.800 who

01:17:15.000 are

01:17:15.120 going

01:17:15.240 to

01:17:15.340 trans

01:17:15.660 your

01:17:15.840 kid

01:17:16.200 and

01:17:16.500 we

01:17:16.640 need

01:17:16.820 to

01:17:16.940 get

01:17:17.100 the

01:17:17.260 three

01:17:17.460 of

01:17:17.620 us

01:17:17.820 get

01:17:18.220 some

01:17:18.440 shields

01:17:18.820 and

01:17:19.060 swords

01:17:19.420 and

01:17:19.980 go

01:17:20.180 out

01:17:20.440 and

01:17:20.680 deal

01:17:20.900 with

01:17:21.100 them

01:17:21.300 and

01:17:21.480 if

01:17:21.600 we

01:17:21.720 do

01:17:21.860 that

01:17:22.080 the

01:17:22.240 problem

01:17:22.500 will

01:17:22.680 stop

01:17:23.080 sign

01:17:24.060 me

01:17:24.180 the

01:17:24.300 fuck

01:17:24.480 up

01:17:24.720 but

01:17:25.660 that

01:17:25.860 isn't

01:17:26.140 the

01:17:26.300 way

01:17:26.460 the

01:17:26.620 situation

01:17:27.060 is

01:17:27.420 me

01:17:27.960 and

01:17:28.200 you

01:17:28.400 and

01:17:28.560 Francis

01:17:28.980 putting

01:17:29.800 on

01:17:30.000 some

01:17:30.300 swords

01:17:30.700 and

01:17:30.880 shields

01:17:31.200 isn't

01:17:32.020 going to

01:17:32.360 solve

01:17:32.620 that

01:17:32.800 problem

01:17:33.160 that

01:17:34.060 problem

01:17:34.500 gets

01:17:34.780 solved

01:17:35.200 in

01:17:35.560 here

01:17:35.840 it

01:17:36.640 gets

01:17:36.840 solved

01:17:37.120 by

01:17:37.400 bringing

01:17:37.800 people

01:17:38.160 to

01:17:38.420 explain

01:17:38.780 Ollie

01:17:39.080 London

01:17:39.380 who

01:17:39.580 was

01:17:39.740 in

01:17:39.860 your

01:17:40.020 chair

01:17:40.320 a

01:17:40.500 week

01:17:40.640 ago

01:17:40.860 talking

01:17:41.200 about

01:17:41.520 how

01:17:41.720 he

01:17:41.840 spent

01:17:42.120 a

01:17:42.440 quarter

01:17:42.680 of

01:17:42.840 a

01:17:42.880 million

01:17:43.040 dollars

01:17:43.400 on

01:17:43.560 surgery

01:17:43.880 to

01:17:44.080 be

01:17:44.220 Korean

01:17:44.580 guess

01:17:45.360 what

01:17:45.540 found

01:17:45.780 out

01:17:45.940 he

01:17:46.040 wasn't

01:17:46.240 Korean

01:17:46.580 right

01:17:48.100 that's

01:17:49.280 potentially

01:17:50.280 how you

01:17:50.880 solve

01:17:51.120 it

01:17:51.220 you

01:17:51.380 talk

01:17:51.760 you

01:17:51.940 explain

01:17:52.420 you

01:17:52.600 persuade

01:17:53.080 now

01:17:54.320 is

01:17:55.200 someone

01:17:55.580 who

01:17:55.780 has

01:17:55.980 a

01:17:56.120 very

01:17:56.300 different

01:17:56.660 view

01:17:56.940 of

01:17:57.100 me

01:17:57.360 to

01:17:57.580 me

01:17:57.880 and

01:17:58.600 my

01:17:58.800 enemy

01:17:59.260 I

01:18:00.140 don't

01:18:00.460 think

01:18:00.640 that's

01:18:00.920 a

01:18:01.220 useful

01:18:01.700 way

01:18:02.000 if

01:18:02.240 I

01:18:02.380 thought

01:18:02.540 that

01:18:02.640 was

01:18:02.760 a

01:18:02.900 useful

01:18:03.200 way

01:18:03.420 of

01:18:03.520 looking

01:18:03.700 at

01:18:03.900 it

01:18:04.000 I

01:18:04.200 would

01:18:04.340 look

01:18:04.500 at

01:18:04.600 it

01:18:04.680 that

01:18:04.800 way

01:18:04.940 I

01:18:05.040 have

01:18:05.100 no

01:18:05.240 problem

01:18:05.520 with

01:18:05.700 fighting

01:18:06.020 for

01:18:06.340 things

01:18:06.560 I

01:18:06.680 believe

01:18:06.920 in

01:18:07.120 but

01:18:07.800 I

01:18:07.940 don't

01:18:08.320 think

01:18:08.560 that's

01:18:08.820 the

01:18:16.240 too

01:18:16.400 much

01:18:16.560 of

01:18:16.640 the

01:18:16.720 wrong

01:18:16.880 Kool-Aid

01:18:17.460 I

01:18:18.220 see

01:18:18.480 some

01:18:18.700 of

01:18:19.260 the

01:18:19.440 positions

01:18:20.280 adopted

01:18:20.800 especially

01:18:21.740 where

01:18:22.280 they

01:18:23.040 are

01:18:23.360 deliberate

01:18:23.820 outright

01:18:24.240 attacks

01:18:24.720 against

01:18:25.160 for example

01:18:25.880 the family

01:18:26.260 unit

01:18:26.640 and towards

01:18:27.960 the sexualisation

01:18:28.780 of children

01:18:29.320 I

01:18:31.960 view that

01:18:32.460 maybe I'm

01:18:33.680 becoming

01:18:34.040 a little

01:18:34.700 more polarised

01:18:35.380 a little

01:18:35.560 more extreme

01:18:35.980 I see them

01:18:36.520 as enemies

01:18:37.760 and perhaps

01:18:38.540 you're right

01:18:38.860 I shouldn't

01:18:39.900 and even

01:18:41.160 if they

01:18:41.480 are

01:18:41.660 perhaps

01:18:42.000 the

01:18:42.200 weapon

01:18:42.460 to deal

01:18:42.840 with that

01:18:43.140 is still

01:18:43.480 reasoned

01:18:43.960 debate

01:18:44.260 no matter

01:18:44.620 whether I

01:18:45.020 see them

01:18:45.320 as enemies

01:18:45.960 or not

01:18:46.360 I

01:18:46.640 think

01:18:46.820 most

01:18:47.120 people

01:18:47.580 and I

01:18:48.400 think

01:18:48.620 it's

01:18:48.860 important

01:18:49.200 for every

01:18:49.680 single

01:18:49.960 person

01:18:50.280 in this

01:18:50.540 room

01:18:50.740 every

01:18:51.040 single

01:18:51.300 person

01:18:51.620 who is

01:18:51.860 watching

01:18:52.180 and

01:18:52.380 listening

01:18:52.640 to

01:18:52.860 this

01:18:53.100 to

01:18:53.860 really

01:18:54.380 understand

01:18:55.460 this

01:18:55.820 and

01:18:56.040 accept

01:18:56.420 this

01:18:56.780 most

01:18:58.660 people

01:18:59.160 are not

01:18:59.700 bad

01:18:59.960 people

01:19:00.240 most

01:19:00.480 people

01:19:00.720 are

01:19:00.860 fundamentally

01:19:01.320 good

01:19:01.700 they

01:19:01.940 just

01:19:02.220 as we

01:19:02.900 have

01:19:03.080 said

01:19:03.340 before

01:19:03.580 they

01:19:03.760 just

01:19:03.940 don't

01:19:04.240 think

01:19:04.560 enough

01:19:04.780 about

01:19:05.000 long-term

01:19:05.480 consequences

01:19:06.220 when it

01:19:06.660 comes to

01:19:07.000 certain

01:19:07.240 things

01:19:07.620 particularly

01:19:08.500 like

01:19:08.820 transgenderism

01:19:09.560 they

01:19:09.700 get fed

01:19:10.120 a

01:19:10.240 narrative

01:19:10.580 and they

01:19:11.660 believe

01:19:12.100 that

01:19:12.420 narrative

01:19:12.800 and

01:19:13.000 then

01:19:13.140 they

01:19:13.280 regurgitate

01:19:13.840 that

01:19:14.160 narrative

01:19:14.520 I

01:19:14.840 think

01:19:15.020 the

01:19:15.160 problem

01:19:15.380 is

01:19:15.620 if

01:19:15.760 we

01:19:15.880 start

01:19:16.200 putting

01:19:16.840 it

01:19:17.060 and

01:19:17.240 having

01:19:17.500 the

01:19:17.660 mindset

01:19:18.020 of

01:19:18.260 people

01:19:18.480 being

01:19:18.740 enemies

01:19:19.320 I

01:19:20.520 don't

01:19:20.720 think

01:19:21.020 we're

01:19:21.220 going

01:19:21.320 to

01:19:22.280 the

01:19:22.520 chance

01:19:23.780 of

01:19:24.040 us

01:19:24.300 healing

01:19:24.860 society

01:19:25.560 is

01:19:26.360 going

01:19:26.500 to

01:19:26.580 become

01:19:26.940 ever

01:19:27.380 lower

01:19:27.700 as a

01:19:28.440 result

01:19:28.720 of

01:19:28.880 having

01:19:29.080 that

01:19:29.280 mindset

01:19:29.640 I

01:19:30.080 think

01:19:30.380 the

01:19:30.640 best

01:19:31.180 thing

01:19:31.320 that

01:19:31.440 we

01:19:31.540 can

01:19:31.700 all

01:19:31.960 do

01:19:32.200 is

01:19:33.220 try

01:19:33.500 and

01:19:33.600 be

01:19:33.720 the

01:19:33.900 adults

01:19:34.240 in

01:19:34.440 the

01:19:34.560 room

01:19:34.740 which

01:19:35.100 is

01:19:35.260 to

01:19:35.400 model

01:19:35.600 good

01:19:35.840 behavior

01:19:36.300 because

01:19:37.500 even

01:19:37.780 when

01:19:38.040 somebody

01:19:38.380 has

01:19:38.600 a

01:19:38.740 great

01:19:39.000 point

01:19:39.300 somebody

01:19:39.580 could

01:19:39.840 have

01:19:40.160 a

01:19:40.300 great

01:19:40.520 point

01:19:40.860 but

01:19:41.320 the

01:19:41.440 moment

01:19:41.620 they

01:19:41.780 lose

01:19:42.100 their

01:19:42.280 temper

01:19:42.560 the

01:19:42.740 moment

01:19:43.020 they

01:19:43.520 start

01:19:43.980 indulging

01:19:45.060 in

01:19:45.240 tactics

01:19:45.680 that

01:19:45.960 their

01:19:46.700 aggressor

01:19:47.220 is

01:19:47.360 using

01:19:47.800 immediately

01:19:49.020 their

01:19:49.940 status

01:19:51.480 goes

01:19:51.840 down

01:19:52.120 immediately

01:19:52.680 you

01:19:53.260 start

01:19:53.660 to

01:19:54.020 have

01:19:55.320 less

01:19:55.600 empathy

01:19:55.940 for

01:19:56.180 them

01:19:56.320 I

01:19:56.840 think

01:19:57.020 it's

01:19:57.220 just

01:19:57.380 really

01:19:57.860 important

01:19:58.420 that

01:19:58.780 we

01:19:59.640 try

01:19:59.960 and

01:20:00.160 moderate

01:20:00.460 our

01:20:00.840 language

01:20:01.180 and

01:20:01.480 our

01:20:01.640 behavior

01:20:02.020 as

01:20:02.340 difficult

01:20:02.820 as

01:20:03.140 it

01:20:03.260 is

01:20:03.480 and

01:20:03.640 I'm

01:20:03.760 not

01:20:03.900 saying

01:20:04.200 it's

01:20:04.420 easy

01:20:04.760 because

01:20:06.200 it

01:20:06.340 really

01:20:06.600 isn't

01:20:06.940 no

01:20:07.140 it's

01:20:07.340 hard

01:20:07.660 it's

01:20:08.060 hard

01:20:08.240 so

01:20:08.400 the

01:20:08.560 solution

01:20:08.880 would

01:20:09.100 be

01:20:09.240 to

01:20:09.380 be

01:20:09.560 aggressively

01:20:10.160 reasonable

01:20:10.760 well

01:20:11.600 I

01:20:11.960 actually

01:20:12.360 think

01:20:12.580 you're

01:20:12.760 right

01:20:12.980 yeah

01:20:13.420 and

01:20:13.760 this

01:20:13.960 is

01:20:14.360 absolutely

01:20:15.000 but

01:20:15.540 this

01:20:16.080 is

01:20:16.260 interesting

01:20:16.620 to me

01:20:16.980 because

01:20:17.400 I

01:20:17.960 was

01:20:18.100 talking

01:20:18.300 to

01:20:18.460 somebody

01:20:18.640 I

01:20:18.760 don't

01:20:18.860 want

01:20:18.960 to

01:20:19.060 name

01:20:19.260 them

01:20:19.420 because

01:20:19.600 about

01:20:20.720 some

01:20:21.160 of

01:20:21.280 this

01:20:21.420 identity

01:20:21.940 stuff

01:20:22.500 and

01:20:23.620 they

01:20:24.440 were

01:20:24.580 saying

01:20:24.820 well

01:20:25.100 the

01:20:25.500 thing

01:20:25.700 is

01:20:25.900 I

01:20:26.020 don't

01:20:26.200 really

01:20:26.380 want

01:20:26.560 to

01:20:26.660 say

01:20:26.880 this

01:20:27.120 thing

01:20:27.400 because

01:20:27.560 then

01:20:27.740 people

01:20:30.300 won't

01:20:30.600 hear

01:20:30.840 it

01:20:31.000 the

01:20:31.160 same

01:20:31.420 and

01:20:32.000 I

01:20:32.120 actually

01:20:32.380 think

01:20:32.720 one

01:20:32.960 of

01:20:33.080 the

01:20:33.200 refreshing

01:20:33.640 things

01:20:33.900 one

01:20:34.060 of

01:20:34.140 the

01:20:34.220 reasons

01:20:34.420 people

01:20:34.980 do

01:20:35.260 watch

01:20:35.740 trigonometry

01:20:36.660 or

01:20:37.040 watch

01:20:37.520 you

01:20:37.740 or

01:20:37.940 whatever

01:20:38.220 is

01:20:38.520 we

01:20:39.200 try

01:20:39.500 to

01:20:39.700 say

01:20:39.920 things

01:20:40.240 as

01:20:40.400 they

01:20:40.600 are

01:20:40.940 without

01:20:41.400 going

01:20:41.860 past

01:20:42.360 that

01:20:42.680 and

01:20:42.980 embellishing

01:20:43.760 them

01:20:44.020 too

01:20:44.340 much

01:20:44.660 do

01:20:45.360 you

01:20:45.420 know

01:20:45.500 what

01:20:45.580 I

01:20:45.660 mean

01:20:45.800 and

01:20:46.300 so

01:20:46.580 I

01:20:47.600 agree

01:20:47.900 with

01:20:48.100 you

01:20:48.240 for

01:20:48.480 example

01:20:48.920 that

01:20:49.300 the

01:20:49.540 idea

01:20:49.980 that

01:20:50.260 why

01:20:50.500 people

01:20:50.780 are

01:20:50.960 uniquely

01:20:51.300 evil

01:20:51.720 and

01:20:51.920 inherently

01:20:52.380 bad

01:20:52.800 is

01:20:53.260 racist

01:20:53.860 right

01:20:54.280 but

01:20:55.020 I

01:20:55.760 also

01:20:56.100 don't

01:20:56.500 think

01:20:56.800 that

01:20:57.020 we

01:20:57.200 live

01:20:57.420 in

01:20:57.540 a

01:20:57.660 society

01:20:58.180 in

01:20:58.680 which

01:20:58.900 is

01:20:59.060 like

01:20:59.340 you

01:20:59.740 know

01:20:59.880 white

01:21:00.260 people

01:21:00.540 are

01:21:00.660 the

01:21:00.780 most

01:21:01.000 oppressed

01:21:01.340 people

01:21:01.660 ever

01:21:01.980 which

01:21:02.780 you

01:21:02.900 didn't

01:21:03.140 say

01:21:03.420 but

01:21:04.540 there

01:21:04.940 are

01:21:05.060 some

01:21:05.240 people

01:21:05.480 who

01:21:05.680 think

01:21:05.920 that

01:21:06.140 way

01:21:06.300 if

01:21:06.740 you

01:21:06.840 made

01:21:07.580 it

01:21:07.680 a

01:21:07.800 priority

01:21:08.280 that

01:21:08.540 would

01:21:08.660 be

01:21:08.780 a

01:21:08.900 mistake

01:21:09.380 it's

01:21:09.840 not

01:21:09.980 a

01:21:10.120 priority

01:21:10.480 exactly

01:21:10.900 so

01:21:11.860 the

01:21:12.080 thing

01:21:12.280 needs

01:21:12.580 to

01:21:12.760 be

01:21:12.980 identified

01:21:13.580 and

01:21:14.080 described

01:21:14.580 accurately

01:21:15.180 without

01:21:15.900 going

01:21:17.260 overboard

01:21:18.080 and without

01:21:18.600 being

01:21:19.160 unreasonable

01:21:20.300 about it

01:21:20.900 in that

01:21:21.320 way

01:21:21.540 so

01:21:22.080 I

01:21:22.320 think

01:21:22.620 being

01:21:23.240 determined

01:21:23.800 and

01:21:24.220 being

01:21:24.520 unwilling

01:21:25.080 to

01:21:25.460 compromise

01:21:26.100 are

01:21:26.580 important

01:21:27.040 on

01:21:27.680 language

01:21:28.340 and

01:21:28.660 certain

01:21:28.860 things

01:21:29.160 but

01:21:29.700 I

01:21:30.060 think

01:21:30.340 the

01:21:30.640 enemy

01:21:30.960 language

01:21:31.400 is

01:21:31.740 possibly

01:21:33.080 not

01:21:33.440 unless

01:21:34.260 you're

01:21:34.900 literally

01:21:35.220 in a

01:21:35.460 physical

01:21:35.700 fight

01:21:35.940 in which

01:21:36.180 case

01:21:36.440 absolutely

01:21:37.260 you switch

01:21:37.900 the warrior

01:21:38.260 on

01:21:38.540 maybe

01:21:39.480 that's

01:21:39.960 the

01:21:41.140 linguistic

01:21:41.580 term

01:21:41.980 of

01:21:42.120 enemies

01:21:42.580 is

01:21:42.920 what

01:21:43.380 is

01:21:43.540 guiding

01:21:43.900 us

01:21:44.100 towards

01:21:44.360 a

01:21:44.500 path

01:21:44.700 that

01:21:44.820 looks

01:21:45.020 like

01:21:45.180 it's

01:21:45.300 going

01:21:45.400 to

01:21:45.440 lead

01:21:45.600 towards

01:21:45.820 civil

01:21:46.060 war

01:21:46.320 because

01:21:46.680 we're

01:21:46.880 talking

01:21:47.100 about

01:21:47.320 our

01:21:47.500 fellow

01:21:47.740 countrymen

01:21:49.720 and in

01:21:50.620 America

01:21:50.880 it's

01:21:51.060 the same

01:21:51.400 thing

01:21:51.640 it's

01:21:51.840 that same

01:21:52.280 pathway

01:21:52.660 it's

01:21:52.960 the

01:21:53.120 internal

01:21:53.620 fight

01:21:54.020 and

01:21:55.180 maybe

01:21:55.460 that

01:21:55.780 isn't

01:21:56.300 the

01:21:56.440 way

01:21:56.620 you

01:21:57.040 said

01:21:57.340 something

01:21:57.880 interesting

01:21:58.340 Francis

01:21:58.700 you implied

01:22:00.140 that the

01:22:00.600 end goal

01:22:01.260 was to

01:22:01.800 heal the

01:22:02.260 rift

01:22:02.580 yeah

01:22:03.200 it's

01:22:03.600 got to

01:22:03.800 be

01:22:04.000 people

01:22:04.960 aren't

01:22:05.160 saying

01:22:05.440 that

01:22:05.860 and they're

01:22:06.960 not

01:22:07.060 thinking

01:22:07.380 that

01:22:07.700 and they're

01:22:07.960 not

01:22:08.080 moving

01:22:08.380 in that

01:22:08.580 direction

01:22:08.980 so that

01:22:09.360 would be

01:22:09.620 another

01:22:09.800 element

01:22:10.120 of it

01:22:10.460 would be

01:22:10.820 say

01:22:11.060 reasonable

01:22:11.420 and also

01:22:11.860 have that

01:22:12.220 as an

01:22:12.420 objective

01:22:12.800 which is

01:22:13.460 we're

01:22:13.940 actually

01:22:14.120 trying to

01:22:14.460 heal

01:22:14.680 I think

01:22:15.080 it's

01:22:15.320 very

01:22:15.640 absolutely

01:22:16.440 stated

01:22:17.080 in absolute

01:22:18.580 terms

01:22:19.140 and you

01:22:19.960 know

01:22:20.060 I've been

01:22:20.500 reading a lot

01:22:21.000 of Tom

01:22:21.280 Soul lately

01:22:21.880 and this

01:22:22.840 is one of

01:22:23.260 the things

01:22:23.540 you get

01:22:23.920 is you

01:22:24.440 kind of

01:22:24.700 get

01:22:24.860 there's

01:22:25.100 no

01:22:25.260 solutions

01:22:25.800 only

01:22:26.340 trade-offs

01:22:26.860 so I

01:22:28.480 think

01:22:28.900 what we're

01:22:29.560 talking about

01:22:30.040 is not

01:22:30.420 to heal

01:22:31.100 society

01:22:31.640 because I

01:22:31.960 don't think

01:22:32.140 that's

01:22:32.300 possible

01:22:32.660 people will

01:22:33.300 always

01:22:33.540 disagree

01:22:34.020 temperamentally

01:22:35.060 genetically

01:22:35.800 they have

01:22:36.380 predispositions

01:22:37.120 that make

01:22:37.480 them different

01:22:37.940 it's about

01:22:39.080 the way

01:22:39.880 we have

01:22:40.380 the conversation

01:22:41.200 about our

01:22:41.940 disagreements

01:22:42.560 right

01:22:43.320 and does

01:22:44.180 that

01:22:44.340 does it

01:22:44.700 have to

01:22:45.200 descend

01:22:45.920 into

01:22:46.240 personal

01:22:46.940 animosity

01:22:47.700 at every

01:22:48.400 opportunity

01:22:48.920 and we're

01:22:49.760 all

01:22:49.920 I am as

01:22:50.680 guilty of

01:22:51.200 that as

01:22:51.520 anybody

01:22:51.860 you know

01:22:52.440 trolling

01:22:52.800 someone

01:22:53.100 online

01:22:53.520 or calling

01:22:54.180 Sadiq Khan

01:22:54.860 a tyrannical

01:22:56.180 dwarf

01:22:56.560 which he is

01:22:57.360 you know

01:22:57.920 but still

01:22:58.780 right

01:22:59.160 it's the

01:23:00.660 tone of the

01:23:01.200 conversation

01:23:01.680 I think

01:23:02.220 rather than

01:23:02.720 you're never

01:23:03.060 going to

01:23:03.360 heal society

01:23:04.220 but I think

01:23:04.840 if you

01:23:05.400 improve the

01:23:05.980 way we

01:23:06.320 communicate

01:23:06.720 that in

01:23:07.340 itself

01:23:07.660 would do

01:23:08.380 some

01:23:08.600 healing

01:23:08.880 I don't

01:23:09.820 mean to

01:23:10.100 get religious

01:23:10.600 here but

01:23:11.100 I will

01:23:11.840 nevertheless

01:23:12.480 it's when

01:23:13.960 Jesus was

01:23:14.720 nailed to

01:23:15.780 a cross

01:23:16.260 and he

01:23:17.080 said the

01:23:17.400 words

01:23:17.580 forgive them

01:23:18.140 Lord for

01:23:18.560 they know

01:23:18.900 not what

01:23:19.300 they do

01:23:19.740 and I

01:23:20.800 think if

01:23:22.080 you have

01:23:22.420 that attitude

01:23:23.380 to a lot

01:23:23.980 of people

01:23:24.380 who you

01:23:24.660 disagree with

01:23:25.320 to a lot

01:23:25.740 of people

01:23:26.060 there's always

01:23:26.640 a small

01:23:27.000 minority who are

01:23:27.680 malevolent and

01:23:28.320 spiteful

01:23:28.820 but I

01:23:30.000 think with

01:23:30.320 most people

01:23:30.980 they just

01:23:31.520 don't consider

01:23:32.320 the long

01:23:32.720 term

01:23:32.900 consequences

01:23:33.520 of their

01:23:33.940 actions

01:23:34.380 and I

01:23:35.400 think if

01:23:35.980 you approach

01:23:36.860 them with

01:23:37.160 compassion

01:23:37.660 and with

01:23:37.960 understanding

01:23:38.540 you might

01:23:39.640 not change

01:23:40.180 their mind

01:23:40.680 but you

01:23:41.680 might take

01:23:42.240 a step

01:23:42.720 to some

01:23:43.440 type of

01:23:44.020 reconciliation

01:23:44.580 here's where I

01:23:46.100 will agree with

01:23:46.680 you though in

01:23:47.180 addition to what

01:23:47.800 Francis said

01:23:48.420 and I agree

01:23:49.020 with both of

01:23:49.500 you actually

01:23:49.680 I think

01:23:50.180 it's what

01:23:51.020 we're talking

01:23:51.500 here as

01:23:52.120 well is

01:23:52.680 it's about

01:23:53.820 concept

01:23:54.380 creep

01:23:54.700 there are

01:23:55.100 some people

01:23:55.700 who you

01:23:56.480 will meet

01:23:56.860 in a bar

01:23:57.360 and you

01:23:58.740 need to

01:23:59.080 stay the

01:23:59.440 fuck away

01:23:59.880 from them

01:24:00.360 and there

01:24:01.780 are other

01:24:02.160 people

01:24:02.540 who you

01:24:03.120 could get

01:24:03.700 into

01:24:04.080 some kind

01:24:04.640 of

01:24:04.860 altercation

01:24:05.520 with

01:24:05.840 if you

01:24:06.560 said the

01:24:06.920 wrong

01:24:07.100 thing

01:24:07.380 and you

01:24:07.900 bumped

01:24:08.240 their

01:24:08.500 elbow

01:24:09.120 as they're

01:24:09.580 bringing

01:24:09.880 their

01:24:10.060 point

01:24:10.240 over

01:24:10.460 and I

01:24:11.120 think

01:24:11.240 it's

01:24:11.380 learning

01:24:11.680 to tell

01:24:12.080 the

01:24:12.220 difference

01:24:12.540 and I

01:24:12.800 think

01:24:12.900 what

01:24:13.040 social

01:24:13.360 media

01:24:13.660 has

01:24:13.880 done

01:24:14.120 is

01:24:14.660 it's

01:24:14.960 made

01:24:15.400 everyone

01:24:16.300 an avatar

01:24:17.720 for the

01:24:18.340 guy you

01:24:18.700 need to

01:24:19.000 stay away

01:24:19.440 from

01:24:19.800 that's

01:24:21.220 why I

01:24:21.560 think

01:24:21.820 you use

01:24:22.220 a term

01:24:22.500 enemy

01:24:22.820 because

01:24:23.140 there's

01:24:23.660 a small

01:24:23.920 minority

01:24:24.340 of people

01:24:24.760 who are

01:24:25.320 absolutely

01:24:25.840 evil

01:24:26.260 and are

01:24:26.660 up to

01:24:26.980 no good

01:24:27.340 and they're

01:24:27.700 deliberate

01:24:28.020 about it

01:24:28.620 but I

01:24:29.480 think they

01:24:30.060 are a

01:24:30.400 very small

01:24:30.880 minority

01:24:31.380 who need

01:24:32.040 to be

01:24:32.280 dealt

01:24:32.480 with

01:24:32.780 but I

01:24:34.740 think the

01:24:35.080 way to

01:24:35.380 deal with

01:24:35.680 them is to

01:24:36.000 persuade

01:24:36.280 everybody

01:24:36.660 else that

01:24:37.080 they're

01:24:37.340 unreasonable

01:24:37.760 and we

01:24:38.300 are the

01:24:38.540 reasonable

01:24:38.800 majority

01:24:39.360 and you

01:24:41.080 can only

01:24:41.420 really do

01:24:42.020 that by

01:24:43.320 more

01:24:43.960 reasoned

01:24:44.940 debate

01:24:45.240 that's it

01:24:45.680 isn't it

01:24:46.000 there's

01:24:46.500 nothing else

01:24:46.980 than that

01:24:47.340 I think

01:24:47.720 so

01:24:48.000 unless you've

01:24:48.920 got something

01:24:49.300 up your

01:24:49.600 sleeve

01:24:49.860 I really

01:24:50.920 don't

01:24:51.260 I've got

01:24:52.580 nothing

01:24:52.860 there's

01:24:53.120 nothing

01:24:53.320 there

01:24:53.620 and also

01:24:54.360 you know

01:24:54.880 I mean

01:24:55.620 again

01:24:55.880 it's kind

01:24:56.380 of like

01:24:56.640 but be

01:24:57.180 that change

01:24:57.720 that you

01:24:57.980 want to

01:24:58.260 see in

01:24:58.520 the world

01:24:58.840 if you

01:24:59.220 see a

01:24:59.580 world

01:24:59.780 that is

01:25:00.080 descending

01:25:00.440 into chaos

01:25:01.040 and disorder

01:25:01.720 and people

01:25:02.700 being

01:25:03.120 dysregulated

01:25:04.320 and not

01:25:05.120 taking

01:25:05.420 responsibility

01:25:06.040 then be

01:25:07.280 that person

01:25:07.820 who does

01:25:08.180 take

01:25:08.400 responsibility

01:25:09.000 be that

01:25:10.100 person

01:25:10.500 who is

01:25:10.980 in control

01:25:12.120 not that

01:25:12.780 we're always

01:25:13.220 in control

01:25:13.640 of our

01:25:13.880 emotions

01:25:14.220 because we're

01:25:14.720 not because

01:25:15.080 we're humans

01:25:15.540 but doing

01:25:16.340 their best to

01:25:16.960 control their

01:25:17.500 emotions

01:25:17.920 to be

01:25:18.360 reasonable

01:25:18.820 to be

01:25:19.260 that adult

01:25:19.800 in the

01:25:20.120 room

01:25:20.320 to be

01:25:21.120 that person

01:25:21.860 who is a

01:25:22.420 counterpoint

01:25:23.020 to that

01:25:23.340 behaviour

01:25:23.760 and say

01:25:24.840 no

01:25:25.140 if you think

01:25:26.140 about the

01:25:26.440 best teachers

01:25:27.000 that you

01:25:27.260 ever had

01:25:27.780 in your

01:25:28.100 education

01:25:28.600 they weren't

01:25:29.020 the ones

01:25:29.300 who ranted

01:25:29.720 and raved

01:25:30.240 they weren't

01:25:31.240 the ones

01:25:31.720 who went

01:25:33.220 the other

01:25:33.560 way

01:25:33.760 and just

01:25:34.080 indulged

01:25:34.600 you

01:25:34.740 and let

01:25:35.000 this class

01:25:35.460 from

01:25:35.600 descending

01:25:35.940 to chaos

01:25:36.460 they're

01:25:37.220 they're

01:25:37.240 the ones

01:25:37.580 who came

01:25:37.980 in

01:25:38.200 who set

01:25:38.960 an example

01:25:39.620 who

01:25:41.000 every day

01:25:41.720 did their

01:25:42.180 best

01:25:42.540 and you

01:25:43.100 remember

01:25:43.420 them

01:25:43.660 because they

01:25:44.400 set an

01:25:44.760 example

01:25:45.200 not the

01:25:46.240 two other

01:25:46.660 polar opposites

01:25:47.580 and that's

01:25:48.540 I think

01:25:49.020 what we all

01:25:49.560 need to be

01:25:50.140 and certainly

01:25:50.880 what I'm

01:25:51.420 trying to be

01:25:52.040 I may not

01:25:52.640 always get

01:25:53.100 there

01:25:53.340 a lot of

01:25:54.100 the time

01:25:54.420 I will fall

01:25:54.920 and I have

01:25:55.320 my own

01:25:55.640 demons

01:25:55.940 like we

01:25:56.260 all do

01:25:56.600 but I

01:25:57.300 think that's

01:25:58.020 the best

01:25:59.320 way to be

01:25:59.760 to try

01:26:00.340 and be

01:26:00.580 that person

01:26:01.200 to aspire

01:26:02.040 to that

01:26:02.500 it's

01:26:03.980 interesting

01:26:04.320 a lot

01:26:05.020 of that

01:26:05.300 it comes

01:26:06.700 back to

01:26:07.340 philosophy

01:26:08.020 which is

01:26:08.860 the Greek

01:26:10.200 philosophy

01:26:11.220 trying to

01:26:12.180 be virtuous

01:26:12.760 trying to

01:26:13.340 establish

01:26:13.740 what is

01:26:14.060 virtuous

01:26:14.440 and aiming

01:26:14.960 upward

01:26:15.400 rather than

01:26:16.160 allowing

01:26:16.560 yourself

01:26:16.860 to slide

01:26:17.360 downward

01:26:17.760 interesting

01:26:18.620 I think

01:26:19.280 the reason

01:26:20.260 that Francis

01:26:20.860 and I

01:26:21.160 are perhaps

01:26:21.440 quite preachy

01:26:22.120 about it

01:26:22.500 or we might

01:26:23.160 come across

01:26:23.640 that way

01:26:24.000 is doing

01:26:25.360 what we

01:26:25.820 do

01:26:26.220 if you

01:26:27.020 think about

01:26:27.540 the history

01:26:28.260 of trigonometry

01:26:28.800 and you've

01:26:29.180 dipped in

01:26:30.440 at different

01:26:30.840 points

01:26:31.260 is we

01:26:33.180 started out

01:26:34.240 talking about

01:26:35.900 everything that

01:26:36.600 was going

01:26:37.100 wrong with

01:26:37.460 the world

01:26:37.840 right

01:26:38.500 and we

01:26:39.580 needed to

01:26:40.040 do that

01:26:40.340 because we

01:26:40.760 needed to

01:26:41.160 understand

01:26:41.640 what was

01:26:42.040 going on

01:26:42.540 and we

01:26:43.000 had to

01:26:43.300 talk to

01:26:43.620 a lot

01:26:43.800 of people

01:26:44.120 and so

01:26:44.440 a lot

01:26:44.700 of our

01:26:44.980 conversations

01:26:45.560 were like

01:26:46.100 you know

01:26:46.300 Francis

01:26:46.600 but isn't

01:26:47.400 the problem

01:26:47.840 this and

01:26:48.320 me going

01:26:48.660 well what

01:26:48.980 that was

01:26:50.180 it

01:26:50.360 but now

01:26:51.320 as we

01:26:51.880 move further

01:26:52.480 I think

01:26:53.200 perhaps

01:26:54.640 as the show

01:26:55.480 grows and

01:26:56.020 more people

01:26:56.440 watch it

01:26:56.860 and whatever

01:26:57.160 we also

01:26:57.940 feel like

01:26:58.660 we're

01:27:00.820 no longer

01:27:01.300 bystanders

01:27:02.440 we're in

01:27:03.280 the game

01:27:03.740 now so to

01:27:04.480 speak

01:27:04.760 what we

01:27:05.500 do who

01:27:06.220 we invite

01:27:06.800 it has a

01:27:07.900 small ripple

01:27:08.400 it's just a

01:27:09.160 small little

01:27:09.600 ripple but it

01:27:10.420 has that

01:27:10.940 ripple and

01:27:11.800 we can't

01:27:12.340 pretend to

01:27:12.840 ourselves that

01:27:14.000 there isn't

01:27:14.660 that responsibility

01:27:15.400 on us and

01:27:16.060 so we're

01:27:16.740 really trying

01:27:17.700 to both

01:27:18.740 I think

01:27:19.180 be better

01:27:20.680 people so

01:27:22.000 that this

01:27:22.860 opportunity that

01:27:23.960 we have to

01:27:25.020 bring amazing

01:27:25.760 people like you

01:27:26.460 on and have a

01:27:27.120 discussion and

01:27:27.700 not let them

01:27:28.140 talk for the

01:27:28.600 last 20 minutes

01:27:29.160 but we're

01:27:32.580 genuinely trying

01:27:33.500 to be

01:27:34.380 constructive as

01:27:35.280 people and as

01:27:36.100 participants in

01:27:36.920 this world that

01:27:37.800 we live in

01:27:38.280 and think

01:27:39.080 less about

01:27:40.600 who is being

01:27:42.300 cancelled and

01:27:43.060 who hasn't been

01:27:43.740 allowed this and

01:27:44.600 that but

01:27:45.020 actually how do

01:27:46.700 we give

01:27:46.920 opportunities to

01:27:47.560 people how do

01:27:48.220 we create

01:27:48.820 things how do

01:27:49.500 rather than

01:27:50.940 being two

01:27:51.460 comedians to

01:27:52.020 set up a

01:27:52.420 podcast to

01:27:53.040 complain about

01:27:53.640 things that

01:27:53.980 need addressing

01:27:54.740 what are we

01:27:56.300 creating exactly

01:27:57.240 so you're

01:27:58.380 going from

01:27:58.600 being problems

01:27:59.200 focused to

01:27:59.920 very much

01:28:00.240 more solutions

01:28:00.840 focused

01:28:01.280 I think so

01:28:01.940 and also as

01:28:03.160 well and this

01:28:04.100 is a lot of

01:28:04.540 work that I'm

01:28:05.040 doing on myself

01:28:05.760 you know looking

01:28:07.360 at your own

01:28:07.880 shadow because

01:28:09.360 it's very easy

01:28:10.140 to look outwards

01:28:10.960 and point out

01:28:11.620 the flaws in

01:28:12.200 other people

01:28:12.780 and go this

01:28:13.400 person's like

01:28:14.020 this this

01:28:14.380 person's like

01:28:14.980 this yeah but

01:28:15.740 what about you

01:28:16.280 what about what

01:28:19.380 you bring to

01:28:19.900 the world is it

01:28:20.420 all good all

01:28:21.740 those are the

01:28:22.440 the element that

01:28:23.560 you have the

01:28:24.220 shadow within

01:28:24.780 yourself what

01:28:25.480 work are you

01:28:26.220 doing in order

01:28:27.620 to try and

01:28:28.720 keep that

01:28:29.100 shadow under

01:28:29.640 as much

01:28:30.100 control as

01:28:30.680 possible and

01:28:32.060 to deal with

01:28:32.580 it yeah I

01:28:35.240 suppose it's

01:28:35.780 how much do

01:28:36.360 you charge the

01:28:36.960 therapy session

01:28:37.760 we're racking up

01:28:39.660 a bill aren't

01:28:40.160 we we may we

01:28:41.220 spend so much

01:28:41.760 money on this

01:28:42.200 fucking studio

01:28:42.700 we can't afford

01:28:43.400 I think I have

01:28:47.720 one of those

01:28:48.060 faces it might

01:28:48.820 be it might be

01:28:49.460 my demeanor

01:28:50.140 no it's the

01:28:50.780 fact that we

01:28:51.280 did that

01:28:51.700 interview with

01:28:52.260 you before

01:28:52.620 where you

01:28:52.920 interviewed us

01:28:53.540 about all our

01:28:54.260 psychological

01:28:54.700 shit that no

01:28:55.340 one has seen

01:28:55.880 yet so we

01:28:56.620 feel able to

01:28:57.440 share now

01:28:57.920 I'll recover

01:28:59.040 that I will

01:28:59.660 recover it

01:29:00.220 no I think

01:29:01.020 but I like this

01:29:02.360 because I care

01:29:04.180 very much about

01:29:04.760 your project I

01:29:05.420 care about what

01:29:05.920 you're doing

01:29:06.260 for like I

01:29:06.740 told you from

01:29:07.200 the beginning

01:29:07.500 like this is

01:29:08.060 this is fantastic

01:29:08.880 and it's nice

01:29:11.600 to get in there

01:29:12.980 and just check

01:29:13.640 maybe even

01:29:14.140 pressure to check

01:29:15.160 like what's

01:29:15.700 what's this

01:29:16.120 what are we

01:29:16.420 doing here

01:29:16.860 what's this

01:29:17.320 concept

01:29:17.660 where are we

01:29:18.080 going

01:29:18.380 and to see

01:29:19.280 that there is

01:29:19.820 there is

01:29:20.220 something there

01:29:20.700 there's some

01:29:21.040 real thought

01:29:21.600 there like

01:29:22.420 this project

01:29:24.340 worked some

01:29:25.180 people become

01:29:25.820 the victims of

01:29:26.860 their own success

01:29:27.580 but if you're

01:29:28.340 still growing

01:29:29.100 inside of the

01:29:29.700 project or

01:29:30.260 growing because

01:29:30.780 of the project

01:29:31.380 that's fantastic

01:29:32.280 isn't it

01:29:32.860 yeah and

01:29:33.680 but that's the

01:29:34.460 thing it's

01:29:35.020 it's so

01:29:37.080 important to

01:29:37.780 grow

01:29:38.060 yeah

01:29:38.600 I think

01:29:39.380 that's why

01:29:39.780 so many

01:29:40.180 people in

01:29:40.940 this society

01:29:41.660 and you

01:29:42.480 look around

01:29:43.140 are miserable

01:29:43.660 because they

01:29:45.060 don't grow

01:29:45.640 and that's

01:29:46.300 why they

01:29:46.580 go oh

01:29:47.260 you know

01:29:47.420 the best

01:29:47.760 days of

01:29:48.120 my life

01:29:48.540 was at

01:29:49.580 school

01:29:49.900 and I

01:29:50.300 number one

01:29:51.300 I find that

01:29:51.760 a horrifically

01:29:52.640 tragic statement

01:29:53.480 and any time

01:29:54.080 someone says it

01:29:54.660 I feel deeply

01:29:55.340 sorry for them

01:29:56.000 that's because

01:29:56.280 you had a

01:29:56.680 shit time

01:29:57.080 in school

01:29:57.400 it's true

01:29:58.820 maybe if I

01:29:59.340 was captain

01:29:59.740 of the

01:30:00.020 football team

01:30:00.600 and going

01:30:01.360 out with

01:30:01.660 whatever

01:30:01.900 then maybe

01:30:02.320 it would

01:30:02.540 have been

01:30:02.740 but you

01:30:03.840 go well

01:30:04.360 the reason

01:30:04.940 for that

01:30:05.440 is because

01:30:05.900 at school

01:30:06.380 it was

01:30:06.680 constant

01:30:07.100 progression

01:30:07.600 you were

01:30:08.460 going

01:30:08.740 you know

01:30:09.360 and the

01:30:09.680 progression

01:30:10.100 was going

01:30:10.640 up

01:30:10.920 every year

01:30:11.620 you were

01:30:11.860 going to

01:30:12.160 a new

01:30:12.440 year

01:30:12.760 you were

01:30:13.300 learning

01:30:13.680 things

01:30:14.100 you were

01:30:14.400 always

01:30:14.760 moving

01:30:15.100 forward

01:30:15.460 but a lot

01:30:15.980 of people

01:30:16.340 when they

01:30:16.560 get into

01:30:16.900 adulthood

01:30:17.620 or what

01:30:18.380 we perceive

01:30:19.940 to be

01:30:20.240 adulthood

01:30:20.500 they enter

01:30:22.340 just a

01:30:23.180 period of

01:30:23.600 stasis

01:30:24.080 where they

01:30:25.180 don't grow

01:30:25.780 where they

01:30:26.100 don't develop

01:30:26.760 where they

01:30:27.080 don't improve

01:30:27.940 and as a

01:30:28.920 result

01:30:29.260 they slowly

01:30:29.860 atrophy

01:30:30.360 and I think

01:30:32.380 that's a

01:30:32.700 very real

01:30:33.260 problem

01:30:33.720 yes

01:30:34.860 100%

01:30:35.600 without

01:30:36.400 external

01:30:38.240 pressure

01:30:38.700 people do

01:30:39.220 atrophy

01:30:39.460 and we're

01:30:39.760 living longer

01:30:40.340 and the

01:30:41.420 world is a

01:30:41.880 more civilised

01:30:42.500 place

01:30:42.880 and these

01:30:43.600 sound like

01:30:44.000 good things

01:30:44.400 but they

01:30:44.700 bring their

01:30:45.220 own problems

01:30:45.700 with them

01:30:46.020 as well

01:30:46.300 of course

01:30:46.740 don't they

01:30:47.080 like as

01:30:47.840 you say

01:30:48.140 stagnation

01:30:48.940 atrophy

01:30:49.760 becoming too

01:30:51.020 comfortable

01:30:51.480 and I think

01:30:52.380 one of the

01:30:52.720 things that

01:30:53.100 we all need

01:30:53.720 as well

01:30:54.060 is you need

01:30:54.660 that challenge

01:30:55.140 you need

01:30:55.600 a bit of

01:30:55.920 a fight

01:30:56.280 a bit of

01:30:56.640 a battle

01:30:57.080 at least

01:30:58.420 at the

01:30:58.660 intellectual

01:30:59.080 level

01:30:59.440 just to

01:30:59.800 keep it

01:31:00.100 fresh

01:31:00.500 because there

01:31:01.200 must be

01:31:01.520 things that

01:31:02.060 even in the

01:31:02.900 last six

01:31:03.480 months

01:31:03.840 that you

01:31:04.300 believed

01:31:04.800 to be

01:31:05.220 true

01:31:05.460 or you

01:31:05.760 held as

01:31:06.140 positions

01:31:06.500 that you've

01:31:06.880 let go of

01:31:07.440 through

01:31:07.680 chatting to

01:31:08.420 people and

01:31:08.820 chatting to

01:31:09.160 each other

01:31:09.540 and experiences

01:31:10.660 that you go

01:31:11.260 through

01:31:11.500 the experience

01:31:13.020 is actually

01:31:13.480 I think

01:31:13.880 one of the

01:31:14.300 bigger ones

01:31:14.740 for example

01:31:15.240 I definitely

01:31:15.980 think

01:31:16.480 running

01:31:17.900 trigonometry

01:31:18.560 has made

01:31:19.580 me more

01:31:20.780 fiscally

01:31:22.040 conservative

01:31:22.640 because you

01:31:24.340 run a small

01:31:24.780 business

01:31:25.080 in this country

01:31:25.540 you realize

01:31:25.840 how fucking

01:31:26.300 hard it is

01:31:26.860 running a small

01:31:27.320 business will

01:31:27.800 do that to you

01:31:28.380 it changes

01:31:28.920 you

01:31:29.080 every time

01:31:29.740 people ask

01:31:30.140 me about

01:31:30.400 business

01:31:30.720 advice

01:31:31.060 you will

01:31:32.320 change as

01:31:33.000 a person

01:31:33.520 and break

01:31:34.300 in ways

01:31:34.820 you cannot

01:31:35.500 fucking

01:31:36.260 imagine

01:31:36.800 it breaks

01:31:37.980 you

01:31:38.260 it builds

01:31:38.780 you

01:31:39.060 it's a

01:31:40.040 psychedelic

01:31:41.080 experience

01:31:41.520 if you can

01:31:42.640 do it

01:31:43.080 because most

01:31:44.280 people can't

01:31:45.480 they say

01:31:45.960 80% of

01:31:46.880 startups

01:31:47.280 fail

01:31:47.640 that's

01:31:47.880 nonsense

01:31:48.420 99.999%

01:31:49.960 fail

01:31:50.340 because

01:31:51.200 people can't

01:31:52.380 break

01:31:52.700 they lack

01:31:54.120 the mental

01:31:54.460 flexibility

01:31:54.920 to have

01:31:55.520 the break

01:31:56.000 and then

01:31:56.380 come through

01:31:56.820 the break

01:31:57.260 and rebuild

01:31:58.260 doing business

01:32:00.000 from scratch

01:32:00.640 I think it's

01:32:01.700 been the same

01:32:02.120 for you

01:32:02.440 mate

01:32:02.600 to some extent

01:32:03.080 because you've

01:32:03.740 worked in

01:32:04.320 public sector

01:32:05.120 jobs

01:32:05.440 most of your

01:32:06.040 life

01:32:06.260 before becoming

01:32:06.920 a comedian

01:32:07.420 and now

01:32:08.820 you're having

01:32:09.300 to be confronted

01:32:10.600 with

01:32:10.940 you do this

01:32:12.400 and this

01:32:12.780 goes wrong

01:32:13.340 and it's

01:32:13.660 on you

01:32:14.320 yeah

01:32:14.680 absolutely

01:32:15.320 and it's

01:32:16.100 that's

01:32:17.660 that's the

01:32:18.220 real challenge

01:32:18.960 and but that's

01:32:19.760 what I was

01:32:21.200 talking I was

01:32:21.880 doing therapy

01:32:22.520 actually and I

01:32:23.000 was talking

01:32:23.460 about this

01:32:24.060 and with my

01:32:25.020 therapist

01:32:25.420 and she was

01:32:26.060 we were talking

01:32:27.300 about regeneration

01:32:28.820 and in many

01:32:30.600 ways if you're

01:32:31.480 not regenerating

01:32:32.540 a part of

01:32:33.020 yourself every

01:32:33.840 six months

01:32:34.560 and you're

01:32:35.340 not changing

01:32:35.960 every six

01:32:36.720 months

01:32:37.060 you're going

01:32:37.900 backwards

01:32:38.280 yeah

01:32:38.800 you've got

01:32:39.680 to you've

01:32:40.580 got to

01:32:41.120 change

01:32:41.640 every six

01:32:42.380 months

01:32:42.620 I am

01:32:43.080 completely

01:32:43.580 different

01:32:44.100 in many

01:32:44.640 ways

01:32:44.980 from the

01:32:45.560 person I

01:32:45.960 was six

01:32:46.380 months ago

01:32:46.900 because I

01:32:47.540 have to

01:32:47.960 because my

01:32:48.440 life's

01:32:48.900 changed

01:32:49.240 because things

01:32:50.100 have changed

01:32:50.720 because we're

01:32:51.360 in a new

01:32:51.800 location

01:32:52.440 where

01:32:52.720 and the

01:32:53.880 things that I

01:32:54.440 have to

01:32:54.800 implement in

01:32:55.360 my life

01:32:55.900 I've got

01:32:56.800 to change

01:32:57.420 I've

01:32:58.300 someone who

01:32:59.700 I've always

01:33:00.300 been very

01:33:00.700 anxious

01:33:01.020 and I'm

01:33:02.640 taking a lot

01:33:03.820 of steps

01:33:04.240 to work

01:33:05.160 with that

01:33:05.540 to improve

01:33:06.180 that

01:33:06.460 I'm learning

01:33:07.320 to drive

01:33:07.800 as a 40

01:33:08.460 year old

01:33:08.820 man

01:33:09.080 in January

01:33:10.100 and I've

01:33:11.280 avoided it

01:33:13.140 and done it

01:33:13.960 and touched

01:33:14.340 upon it

01:33:14.780 and not

01:33:15.080 done it

01:33:15.560 because I

01:33:16.720 found it

01:33:17.100 difficult

01:33:17.460 but

01:33:17.860 well you've

01:33:19.340 got to

01:33:19.540 change

01:33:19.940 otherwise

01:33:21.320 you're not

01:33:23.720 going to

01:33:24.240 improve

01:33:24.720 and ultimately

01:33:26.120 we talk

01:33:26.820 about

01:33:27.060 kindness

01:33:27.540 but I

01:33:28.500 think

01:33:28.920 one of the

01:33:29.660 things we

01:33:29.980 never talk

01:33:30.520 about with

01:33:30.900 kindness

01:33:31.240 is when

01:33:32.440 we're not

01:33:32.760 kind to

01:33:33.260 ourselves

01:33:33.700 and I

01:33:34.340 think that's

01:33:34.860 where a lot

01:33:35.260 of depression

01:33:35.780 actually comes

01:33:36.540 from

01:33:36.780 is because

01:33:37.760 when you

01:33:39.240 don't do

01:33:39.840 things like

01:33:40.240 you don't

01:33:40.740 stand up

01:33:41.220 for yourself

01:33:41.720 you don't

01:33:42.360 do things

01:33:42.880 for yourself

01:33:43.500 that you

01:33:43.960 need

01:33:44.500 even though

01:33:45.760 you put it

01:33:46.160 to the back

01:33:46.620 of your

01:33:46.900 mind

01:33:47.320 you know

01:33:48.400 that you've

01:33:48.800 let yourself

01:33:49.340 down

01:33:49.700 and you're

01:33:50.760 not being

01:33:51.120 kind to

01:33:51.620 yourself

01:33:51.980 and I

01:33:53.020 think a lot

01:33:53.520 of it

01:33:53.720 that's where

01:33:54.160 the Malay

01:33:54.700 is the

01:33:55.020 depression

01:33:55.440 comes from

01:33:56.080 because you're

01:33:56.820 not being

01:33:57.320 kind to

01:33:57.820 yourself

01:33:58.240 and it's

01:33:59.920 all of those

01:34:00.400 things

01:34:00.760 Richard so

01:34:02.320 you are our

01:34:03.040 last interview

01:34:03.960 of the year

01:34:04.720 that we're

01:34:05.760 recording

01:34:06.140 it may not

01:34:06.880 go out in

01:34:07.440 that sequence

01:34:07.940 but as you

01:34:09.860 think about

01:34:10.380 the last year

01:34:11.220 what do you

01:34:11.960 reflect on

01:34:12.580 what are your

01:34:13.000 thoughts

01:34:13.400 what have you

01:34:14.780 been thinking

01:34:15.300 about what is

01:34:15.920 the new thing

01:34:16.540 for you that

01:34:17.060 you've discovered

01:34:17.700 or you've

01:34:18.240 kind of

01:34:18.500 identified

01:34:19.060 or you wanted

01:34:19.660 to say

01:34:20.160 just a

01:34:23.100 cough

01:34:23.300 in our

01:34:23.540 faces

01:34:23.820 just a

01:34:24.160 bit of

01:34:25.020 COVID

01:34:25.280 it's coming

01:34:26.640 back

01:34:27.000 no it's not

01:34:27.980 it's not

01:34:28.300 the flu

01:34:28.700 mate

01:34:28.980 the thing

01:34:31.880 that's been

01:34:32.300 well I've

01:34:33.600 never

01:34:33.800 I never do

01:34:34.700 this whole

01:34:35.140 like new

01:34:35.560 year

01:34:35.760 new me

01:34:36.660 thing

01:34:36.960 but the

01:34:37.720 way 2022

01:34:38.400 has gone

01:34:39.120 especially as

01:34:39.740 I'm leading

01:34:40.020 up to the

01:34:40.380 end of the

01:34:40.620 year

01:34:40.800 it's like

01:34:41.140 wow

01:34:41.360 really a lot

01:34:42.100 of old

01:34:43.380 chapters in

01:34:43.960 my life

01:34:44.360 have closed

01:34:45.020 I've found

01:34:46.420 that as

01:34:47.420 I've become

01:34:47.960 more fixated

01:34:48.800 in my own

01:34:49.920 life

01:34:50.240 I'm more

01:34:50.780 rooted in

01:34:51.240 what I do

01:34:51.680 want

01:34:51.960 what I do

01:34:52.380 want to

01:34:52.600 create

01:34:52.900 the people

01:34:53.280 I want to

01:34:53.620 have around

01:34:54.060 me

01:34:54.440 automatically

01:34:56.380 and spontaneously

01:34:57.180 different

01:34:57.560 situations

01:34:58.200 that were

01:34:58.520 there

01:34:58.740 different

01:34:59.000 people

01:34:59.400 that have

01:34:59.640 been

01:34:59.800 hanging

01:35:00.100 around

01:35:00.400 that

01:35:00.560 shouldn't

01:35:00.860 have

01:35:01.000 been

01:35:01.220 they've

01:35:01.760 dropped

01:35:01.940 off

01:35:02.300 in my

01:35:03.040 experience

01:35:03.680 of their

01:35:04.600 own

01:35:04.820 volition

01:35:05.200 I haven't

01:35:06.080 said to

01:35:06.420 them

01:35:06.620 you know

01:35:07.160 I've

01:35:07.420 moved on

01:35:07.740 it's

01:35:07.880 time to

01:35:08.160 go

01:35:08.320 away

01:35:08.640 maybe

01:35:09.220 I'm

01:35:09.340 giving

01:35:09.480 them

01:35:09.600 a different

01:35:09.900 energy

01:35:10.300 or a

01:35:10.520 vibe

01:35:11.000 they just

01:35:11.540 go

01:35:11.740 on

01:35:11.840 their

01:35:11.960 own

01:35:12.140 way

01:35:12.340 and

01:35:13.420 one

01:35:13.580 of the

01:35:13.780 things

01:35:14.060 that I'm

01:35:14.460 thinking

01:35:14.660 about

01:35:14.880 a lot

01:35:15.180 moving

01:35:15.440 into

01:35:15.640 2023

01:35:16.120 is

01:35:16.600 just

01:35:16.800 to get

01:35:17.160 very

01:35:17.480 focused

01:35:18.060 on

01:35:18.320 what

01:35:18.480 I do

01:35:18.820 want

01:35:19.120 what I

01:35:19.580 do

01:35:19.720 want

01:35:19.860 to

01:35:19.940 create

01:35:20.160 in my

01:35:20.400 own

01:35:20.540 life

01:35:20.740 and I

01:35:20.980 think

01:35:21.280 politically

01:35:23.360 philosophically

01:35:24.320 this

01:35:25.320 country

01:35:25.980 us as a

01:35:26.680 culture

01:35:26.940 we all

01:35:27.660 have to

01:35:28.080 do

01:35:28.240 that

01:35:28.460 now

01:35:28.740 because

01:35:29.240 I

01:35:29.420 can

01:35:29.540 see

01:35:29.740 things

01:35:30.060 moving

01:35:30.420 potentially

01:35:31.020 in a

01:35:31.820 very

01:35:32.140 dark

01:35:32.700 direction

01:35:33.200 where

01:35:33.800 there's

01:35:34.100 going

01:35:34.220 to be

01:35:34.380 a lot

01:35:34.700 more

01:35:34.940 authoritarianism

01:35:35.960 I

01:35:36.280 don't

01:35:36.640 think

01:35:36.900 anybody

01:35:37.280 really

01:35:37.840 wants

01:35:38.220 it

01:35:38.380 who's

01:35:38.580 thought

01:35:38.780 it

01:35:38.940 through

01:35:39.180 in order

01:35:40.980 to resist

01:35:41.520 that

01:35:41.840 we must

01:35:42.520 have a

01:35:42.900 strong

01:35:43.140 sense

01:35:43.460 of what

01:35:43.720 it is

01:35:43.920 we do

01:35:44.180 want

01:35:44.380 in our

01:35:44.640 lives

01:35:44.900 and we

01:35:45.240 have to

01:35:45.500 move

01:35:45.680 toward

01:35:46.000 it

01:35:46.260 in a

01:35:46.900 way

01:35:47.020 that

01:35:47.200 is

01:35:47.520 courageous

01:35:48.420 and with

01:35:49.100 humility

01:35:49.540 with

01:35:49.940 flexibility

01:35:50.480 and that's

01:35:51.980 what I'm

01:35:52.200 going to be

01:35:52.400 doing

01:35:52.580 personally

01:35:53.040 in 2023

01:35:54.060 is just

01:35:54.820 focusing

01:35:55.400 on that

01:35:55.780 when are you

01:35:56.360 going to

01:35:56.540 find a

01:35:56.800 wife and

01:35:57.200 have some

01:35:57.520 kids

01:35:57.760 Richard

01:35:58.080 I

01:35:58.680 knew

01:35:58.940 he

01:35:59.120 would

01:35:59.320 ask

01:35:59.660 me

01:35:59.860 listen

01:36:01.040 fundamentally

01:36:01.840 heart

01:36:02.280 is

01:36:02.520 Russian

01:36:02.940 babushka

01:36:04.080 want

01:36:06.900 you're not

01:36:07.200 real men

01:36:07.720 not real

01:36:08.300 men

01:36:08.540 until

01:36:08.860 her family

01:36:09.480 no I

01:36:10.220 I'm sure

01:36:11.480 I will

01:36:12.640 eventually

01:36:13.420 this year

01:36:15.500 no

01:36:15.760 if I could

01:36:18.320 go to

01:36:18.640 Venezuela

01:36:19.140 that's when

01:36:19.880 when they

01:36:20.220 let me

01:36:20.480 into

01:36:20.640 Venezuela

01:36:21.060 that's when

01:36:21.560 I will

01:36:21.820 find

01:36:22.180 also very

01:36:25.260 good if you

01:36:25.640 want to lose

01:36:26.020 weight

01:36:26.240 Venezuela

01:36:26.780 if you want

01:36:29.440 to come back

01:36:29.940 ripped

01:36:30.240 mate

01:36:30.500 because you

01:36:30.760 haven't eaten

01:36:31.120 anything

01:36:31.360 exactly

01:36:33.340 Richard

01:36:36.220 you're

01:36:36.800 as I

01:36:37.320 said

01:36:37.480 one of

01:36:37.820 our

01:36:37.960 absolute

01:36:38.260 favourites

01:36:38.820 thanks so

01:36:39.740 much for

01:36:40.000 coming back

01:36:40.420 we'll do a

01:36:40.980 couple of

01:36:41.320 questions from

01:36:41.900 our supporters

01:36:42.480 that only

01:36:43.020 they will get

01:36:43.560 to see the

01:36:43.980 answer to

01:36:44.860 on Locals

01:36:45.380 did we do

01:36:46.160 the last

01:36:46.460 questions

01:36:46.860 what's one

01:36:48.120 thing we're

01:36:48.440 not talking

01:36:48.920 about that

01:36:49.320 we really

01:36:49.640 should be

01:36:50.140 good lord

01:36:51.320 everything

01:36:51.720 that we've

01:36:52.100 been talking

01:36:52.500 about today

01:36:53.100 the power

01:36:54.220 of

01:36:54.940 simple

01:36:56.600 reasoned

01:36:57.860 good faith

01:36:58.360 debate

01:36:58.780 I think

01:36:59.400 that's

01:37:00.220 powerful

01:37:01.660 more than

01:37:02.220 social activism

01:37:02.960 more than

01:37:03.400 aggressively

01:37:03.900 pushing people

01:37:05.220 in different

01:37:05.560 directions

01:37:06.040 opening up

01:37:06.800 the conversation

01:37:07.480 good philosophy

01:37:08.680 embracing the

01:37:09.600 Socratic method

01:37:10.340 hearing the

01:37:11.220 other side

01:37:11.780 and then

01:37:12.560 building our

01:37:13.560 ideas together

01:37:14.240 fantastic

01:37:15.180 if people want

01:37:15.660 to get your

01:37:15.960 book where's

01:37:16.440 the best

01:37:16.680 place to do

01:37:17.200 that

01:37:17.440 Jeff Bezos

01:37:19.180 Slave House

01:37:20.080 that's where

01:37:21.740 you can get

01:37:22.080 my book

01:37:22.460 I watch those

01:37:23.240 films

01:37:23.620 Cult of One

01:37:27.260 it's called

01:37:28.040 maybe you

01:37:28.520 should knock

01:37:28.900 that on

01:37:29.680 its head

01:37:30.400 for 2020

01:37:30.980 that could be

01:37:31.540 a new year

01:37:32.020 resolution

01:37:32.640 stop watching

01:37:33.540 that

01:37:33.820 Jesus Christ

01:37:35.400 there's an

01:37:35.980 image to

01:37:36.380 leave you

01:37:36.620 with

01:37:36.800 ladies and

01:37:37.280 gentlemen

01:37:37.520 boys and

01:37:37.940 girls

01:37:38.140 Richard

01:37:38.440 Granham

01:37:38.780 thank you

01:37:39.120 so much

01:37:39.520 thank you

01:37:39.880 thank you

01:37:40.260 for watching

01:37:40.800 and listening

01:37:41.420 we will see

01:37:42.040 you with another

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01:37:43.480 like this one

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01:37:47.480 and for those

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01:37:51.900 take care

01:37:53.060 and see you

01:37:53.680 soon guys

01:37:54.080 see you on

01:37:54.380 Locals guys

01:37:54.900 are there

01:37:56.700 indications of

01:37:57.480 sociopathy in

01:37:58.420 the mainstream

01:37:58.860 media and

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TRIGGERnometry - January 16, 2023

＂Trauma Made Me a Radical Leftist＂ - Richard Grannon

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