TRIGGERnometry - Trump's Deal Will be the End of Ukraine

00:00:00.480 For Trump, Ukraine is irrelevant. Ukraine does not exist in these calculations at all.

00:00:07.280 Because from this point of view, Ukraine belongs to the Russian sphere of influence.

00:00:11.940 And that is why the business of Mr. Trump is just to silence Ukraine as much as possible.

00:00:18.200 To silence Zelensky, to silence anyone.

00:00:20.780 The argument from the Trump administration is when we sign the minerals deal with Ukraine,

00:00:26.620 that will guarantee Americans in Ukraine.

00:00:30.580 This is a kindergarten. I am really sorry to say so.

00:00:33.420 There is no economic success without security guarantees.

00:00:36.700 Mark Rutte, the Secretary General of NATO, he said publicly, on record, seems to me he knows something,

00:00:43.560 that the total military output of all NATO countries combined is 25% of Russian military output.

00:00:52.900 Four times less.

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00:01:26.220 Andrei Leronov, welcome back to the show.

00:01:28.840 We had you on exactly three years ago to talk about the Russian invasion of Ukraine,

00:01:34.260 what Vladimir Putin was doing.

00:01:36.480 Our interest was you as someone who worked with Vladimir Putin closely for six years,

00:01:41.480 and we talked about it then.

00:01:42.680 And you messaged us recently saying that there are a lot of things being said in the English-speaking world

00:01:48.760 that are not true and that need to be discussed, something we agree with you on, by the way.

00:01:55.220 So what are you talking about?

00:01:57.640 What's going on?

00:01:58.480 What do you think needs to be talked about in a different way?

00:02:01.640 First of all, thank you, Konstantin.

00:02:03.500 Thank you, Francis, for inviting me once again.

00:02:06.040 It's nice to see you.

00:02:07.400 And I need to confess that I follow your activities, trying to follow what you're doing, how you're doing.

00:02:17.740 It seems to me you've got substantial progress.

00:02:20.680 Since we met last time, your subscription rate jumped up, skyrocketed.

00:02:26.480 So now you're stars in the English-speaking world.

00:02:30.760 And you are not only kind of very popular, and it's a fact of life,

00:02:34.600 but you happen to be one of very few voices in the English-speaking world that, from my point of view,

00:02:42.720 continue to speak truth, unlike many other voices that somehow stopped to do it

00:02:50.240 or have been under influence from Putin's slash Kremlin propaganda.

00:02:56.480 And I can name only kind of three sources that I follow that at least continue to talk about war

00:03:04.220 that Putin is waging against Ukraine, about Russia, about Ukraine, about many other things.

00:03:11.240 Just, first of all, you, I would say Douglas Murray, and I would say Piers Morgan.

00:03:16.740 Also, from time to time, he's trying to somewhat of keep the line.

00:03:20.260 And to my observation, all of you coming from Britain, and I just, why those only British voices,

00:03:29.560 but not American voices, it's another topic for discussion for me.

00:03:34.420 But it is shocking for me.

00:03:36.220 I would not hide this, my feeling, that many, if not almost all, American voices either became silent

00:03:48.100 or started to reproduce Putin's slash Kremlin propaganda, especially concerning Ukraine,

00:03:56.820 concerning Putin's aggression against Ukraine, concerning Putin's policy, and so on.

00:04:01.740 So that is why it's quite shocking, it's quite discouraging.

00:04:05.560 And I would like to thank you for at least skipping this line

00:04:10.580 and continue your stance and support for truth.

00:04:18.540 So that is why I think it would be useful if we can talk about those issues objectively, openly, honestly.

00:04:29.480 Even some people might not like what we can talk.

00:04:33.160 Well, let's do that. Let's do that.

00:04:34.600 And look, from our perspective, we don't have a line.

00:04:36.940 I guess my, to the extent that I understand Ukraine and Russia, you know, growing up in Russia,

00:04:42.140 living in Ukraine for some time, having family, having relatives,

00:04:45.660 speaking to people in both countries about what's going on from the inside,

00:04:49.400 speaking to people who are involved in various, you know, at various levels in government.

00:04:54.160 I'm just telling people in the West what I know and what I'm hearing.

00:04:57.840 That's all I'm doing.

00:04:58.960 And if I was hearing something else, I'd be saying something else.

00:05:01.000 But I agree with you.

00:05:03.040 One of the fascinating things, I'm not sure if you experienced this,

00:05:05.740 because we're both Russian speakers, and I imagine we both consume Russian-speaking media,

00:05:09.840 is watching something become a talking point in Russian media,

00:05:16.040 and then two weeks later, or three weeks later, or a month later,

00:05:19.440 it appears in English-speaking media as this new thing.

00:05:24.880 And have you seen that pipeline happen yourself?

00:05:29.840 No, first of all, I would say, so just you're keeping the line,

00:05:32.140 because this line to talk truth.

00:05:33.960 Yes.

00:05:34.440 But what you saw with your own eyes, what you understand yourself,

00:05:38.140 not what Kremlin wants us to repeat.

00:05:42.140 So that is why this is the line.

00:05:43.920 So I'm trying, to my extent, to do exactly the same.

00:05:47.800 So that is why, what exactly I have in mind when I'm saying that, just keep the line.

00:05:53.460 As for your observation, so you put this kind of time pause, two, three weeks.

00:06:01.380 Sometimes, these posts could be different.

00:06:04.520 For example, Putin, for almost a year, was talking about the Zelensky dictator.

00:06:10.780 So he started to talk it from the last June.

00:06:16.240 And all of a sudden, exactly the same words have been repeated by Mr. Trump.

00:06:21.940 So, and when somebody mentioned, okay, so this is kind of Kremlin's propaganda,

00:06:26.480 he said, no, no, it is my own understanding.

00:06:29.200 Like, okay, so just probably Mr. Trump didn't know that Mr. Putin was talking about it

00:06:35.460 for whatever, nine months prior to that, but this is a fact of life.

00:06:40.080 And after that, when Mr. Trump has repeated the story that, okay,

00:06:44.620 Mr. Biden did not call me, did not talk to Putin for three and a half years,

00:06:49.240 which is clearly not true, because the last conversation between Biden and Putin was on December 30th, 21.

00:06:59.920 So that is why, assuming his term in the office, it's, in the very best case, three years.

00:07:05.060 And the three years when Trump said so, but few days later, Mr. Vitkoff has repeated this story,

00:07:15.060 that it was Mr. Putin told him, Vitkoff, that Biden did not talk to Putin for three and a half years.

00:07:22.100 So now we all of a sudden found this line of communications.

00:07:25.900 So, first of all, Putin told Vitkoff, Vitkoff told Trump, and Trump repeated the lie that Putin told Vitkoff

00:07:35.140 and has been transferred to Trump.

00:07:38.720 So that is why these lines of communications or timescale could be different.

00:07:45.340 But you're absolutely right that all of a sudden we found situations that I cannot recall,

00:07:51.400 that Putin's slash Kremlin slash Russian propaganda has been repeated and spread out in English-speaking world

00:07:59.580 at the level unseen and unheard before.

00:08:05.040 And we, unfortunately, we can hear all the time from such people like

00:08:09.220 Professor Mishheimer, Professor Sox, Tucker Carlson, Vice President J.D. Vance,

00:08:17.260 from the son of the President, Donald Trump Jr., and from President Trump himself.

00:08:23.060 So this is shocking, because never before we had a situation when the leadership of the U.S. administration

00:08:31.160 would repeat consistently and persistently something that's completely untrue,

00:08:37.980 completely wrong, incomplete propaganda.

00:08:40.440 This information aimed at justification of aggressive behavior of Russia, of Putin, first of all,

00:08:49.040 against Ukraine, against Europe, and against the United States, against the Western civilization.

00:08:54.680 So Putin never hid it that his main goal is destruction of Western civilization.

00:08:59.940 He devoted to this goal many, many of his statements.

00:09:03.420 His apparatus, his Kremlin entourage, the whole system of the current Russian government

00:09:11.380 is working to destroy Western civilization, NATO, Europe, United States.

00:09:16.820 And that's quite a claim.

00:09:19.620 Can you give us some specifics?

00:09:21.320 Like, personally, I've never heard him say he wants to destroy Western civilization.

00:09:25.400 What are you talking about specifically?

00:09:26.820 I can refer you to just many speeches, especially from the speech that he has given

00:09:31.980 on October 5th, year 2023, during the so-called Valdai Club gatherings,

00:09:39.700 in which he proclaimed, actually, its public announcement of the global war against the West.

00:09:44.680 And it is a very detailed and very fundamental explanation that the West is doomed.

00:09:51.820 And the, his, Putin's goal, together with a big friend and colleague, Mr. Xi from China,

00:10:01.240 and to unite the other countries around the world, so-called multilateral, or whatever.

00:10:10.360 Multipolar world.

00:10:11.480 Multipolar world, it's an old term, but they say that, you know, this is a global majority.

00:10:16.660 Even they say not global majority, world majority, they kind of, they understand English very well,

00:10:21.780 so that is why they're choosing right words in English to explain their position.

00:10:26.420 So this is a world majority against the West, against doomed, some kind of decadent West,

00:10:34.540 and this is some kind of the noble mission of current Russia and current Russian regime

00:10:42.580 under the leadership of Putin, with support from Chinese friends,

00:10:47.360 to make everything possible that the, kind of, the days of the West are numbered.

00:10:53.860 And after that, number of people from the Kremlin, and from Kremlin onto Russia,

00:10:59.620 issued a number of documents, including those documents that have been produced,

00:11:03.960 such people, I don't know, probably you know those names, like Karaganov,

00:11:07.980 or Trenin, those people from think tanks around Kremlin,

00:11:14.000 they put a number of documents explaining their, kind of, the essence of this global war

00:11:21.920 against the West, led by world majority, with the leadership of Russia, with Putin at the head.

00:11:30.180 So that is why it's nothing new.

00:11:31.780 It's a very well-detailed, some kind of work-out plan by the current Russian regime.

00:11:39.360 They never hid it.

00:11:40.360 They talk about it regularly.

00:11:42.460 Even just a few days ago, already, just with the current U.S. administration,

00:11:46.420 Mr. Karaganov, again, once again, gave an interview to BBC, I believe,

00:11:52.940 the correspondent of BBC in Moscow,

00:11:55.360 explaining, no, we need to use everything possible to just subjugate Europe.

00:12:00.480 Now, he's trying to, kind of, before January 20th,

00:12:05.220 he was talking about, kind of, the main problem with the United States,

00:12:09.200 actually, with Anglo-Saxons, so you don't forget about, about Brits as well,

00:12:12.780 so that they understand the Anglo-Saxons as Americans and Brits.

00:12:16.660 Now, within your administration, so they are, kind of,

00:12:19.980 accurately trying to put aside America,

00:12:22.720 and now talking about Europe with Brits, you are still there,

00:12:25.720 so don't worry, so you are still the goal of this regime.

00:12:29.660 So, that is why he's not hiding, yes, he's going, yes,

00:12:33.500 if it's necessary, we can use whatever possible,

00:12:36.920 whatever resources or whatever instruments,

00:12:39.140 including whatever weapons, to reach our goal.

00:12:43.180 It is not about Ukraine.

00:12:44.880 It's not about Zelensky.

00:12:46.260 It's not about his behavior in the Oval Office or White House

00:12:50.020 or how he treated the President of the United States

00:12:52.560 or Vice President of the United States.

00:12:53.800 No, it's about an absolutely different story,

00:12:56.300 about the imperial dominance of the Russian regime over Europe.

00:13:01.060 And this is, by the way, it's not a news.

00:13:03.400 It's a long-term policy of Soviet communists

00:13:06.880 to establish dominance over Europe.

00:13:09.680 This is actually what's proclaimed by V.I. Lenin back in 1970, 1918.

00:13:17.220 This was essentially the goal of the so-called Bolsheviks' march into Europe

00:13:22.760 via Poland to Germany, to Italy, to Hungary.

00:13:27.560 That was exactly what Lenin was talking about in summer 1920.

00:13:33.140 And after that, they prepared for this war for 20 years

00:13:37.160 between First World War and Second World War.

00:13:40.380 And the Second World War was organized by Stalin

00:13:45.220 as a so-called Liberation March of Europe

00:13:49.360 that was only successful, but only half successful.

00:13:55.740 Only half of Europe happened to be subjugated by Soviet communism.

00:14:01.540 And after that, in the late 80s and early 90s,

00:14:06.900 with the collapse of the Warsaw Pact,

00:14:09.240 with the collapse of the Soviet Union,

00:14:11.260 with the end of the Cold War,

00:14:13.120 all of a sudden, all these countries that had been liberated

00:14:16.160 or liberated themselves from the communism,

00:14:19.760 so they wanted to join Western civilization.

00:14:22.920 So that must be reconsidered.

00:14:26.620 That must be changed.

00:14:28.600 There must be revenge.

00:14:30.460 And that exactly was the essence of Putin's regime

00:14:36.020 over the last 25 years versus Europe.

00:14:38.640 And he was trying to achieve this for all this period of time.

00:14:42.660 So he never hid it.

00:14:44.080 So that is why it's just only deaf and blind,

00:14:46.940 could not see what are the purposes,

00:14:49.860 what are the goals of Putin.

00:14:51.300 So that is why he's doing exactly that.

00:14:55.640 Andre, you're saying this to me,

00:14:58.300 and I've followed this closely,

00:14:59.940 obviously not as closely as either of you two at the table.

00:15:02.700 And I'll be honest with you, I'm profoundly shocked,

00:15:05.380 because what you seem to be talking about,

00:15:08.120 and forgive me for my historical illiteracy,

00:15:11.120 it's almost like a Hitler-like figure,

00:15:13.520 somebody who wants dominance over Europe.

00:15:15.500 That rings alarm bells in my head.

00:15:17.480 No, but it's not why it should be a surprise for you.

00:15:21.340 That's exactly the policy of Putin, what he was doing.

00:15:24.860 Actually, I have analysis of speech that Putin gave

00:15:30.420 to the same Valdai club that I mentioned before,

00:15:33.380 back in the year 2014.

00:15:35.480 And I recommend you just, if you're interested,

00:15:37.660 I give you a link to my analysis.

00:15:39.480 It's in Russian, but it's not difficult to translate into English,

00:15:42.400 because when I was speaking at some English-speaking audience,

00:15:46.500 I translated it into English, and it's available.

00:15:50.020 So it was actually, I spoke at Atlantic Council in April 2015,

00:15:57.520 where I spread this translation of this speech.

00:16:01.340 And I put speech of Putin in October year 2014,

00:16:06.360 one part of the page, a sheet,

00:16:09.820 and the other, the two letters that Adolf Hitler dictated

00:16:15.500 in August 1939 to Mr. Chamberlain,

00:16:25.120 then Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

00:16:28.320 So, and I found slightly more than 20 points

00:16:33.960 where the words of Putin almost word by word

00:16:39.600 coincide with Hitler's text.

00:16:44.400 Sometimes stylistics slightly different, but isn't the same,

00:16:48.100 but sometimes word by word.

00:16:50.140 And it is striking because those people,

00:16:54.300 speech writers in Kremlin,

00:16:55.380 who prepared speech for Putin in October 2014,

00:16:59.820 my suspicion, they never read Hitler,

00:17:02.680 because it is not available in Russian.

00:17:05.120 It is English or German, so you can see it.

00:17:08.500 And I doubt that even they would read it,

00:17:10.780 they would try to emanate what Hitler said back in 1939.

00:17:14.800 So they were writing what they think is necessary

00:17:20.340 and what would be suitable for Putin.

00:17:22.240 And Putin read it publicly.

00:17:24.560 This is an official public speech.

00:17:26.080 It is still on the Kremlin website.

00:17:28.100 Once again, it is more than 20 points that coincide

00:17:31.420 almost word by word.

00:17:33.160 So, which means, sorry, just,

00:17:35.500 which means that it is striking.

00:17:39.540 I agree with you that it's striking.

00:17:40.860 That the type of thinking, the type of conscience,

00:17:45.380 almost identical of these two persons,

00:17:47.900 because he was talking exactly about that.

00:17:50.280 He was talking about Poland, Hitler.

00:17:53.620 Yes.

00:17:54.140 As Putin was talking about Ukraine.

00:17:58.180 Hitler was talking about the Polish corridor,

00:18:00.560 exactly as Putin was talking about Crimea and Northern Tauria.

00:18:03.860 Hitler was talking about the, whatever,

00:18:08.460 humiliation that Germans experienced under Polish rule,

00:18:12.240 exactly as Putin was talking about the Russians

00:18:15.040 experiencing humiliation under so-called Ukrainian rule,

00:18:19.140 and so on and so on.

00:18:20.040 And he also was kind of explaining his vision

00:18:23.720 for the rest of the world there as well,

00:18:26.300 and about the idea how to divide world,

00:18:30.460 and first of all, Europe, between big powers,

00:18:33.660 between really big powers.

00:18:35.100 But back then, he suggested to Neville Chamberlain,

00:18:38.460 let's divide Europe.

00:18:40.060 I fully understand your interest.

00:18:42.380 I fully understand that you're a great power,

00:18:45.280 the kind of British empire.

00:18:46.980 I'm not going to fight with you.

00:18:49.760 Let's divide the world.

00:18:51.720 Let's divide Europe between us.

00:18:54.240 What Putin was suggesting back in the year 2014,

00:18:57.420 and after that many times in 2015,

00:19:00.120 back then to Obama,

00:19:02.340 and after that now to Trump.

00:19:03.900 Okay, let's divide the world.

00:19:06.060 Let's divide Europe.

00:19:07.500 So you have your interest somewhere else.

00:19:09.520 I fully respect your interest.

00:19:11.700 But this is not your interest.

00:19:13.800 No.

00:19:14.140 Okay, let's divide it.

00:19:15.340 Let's give it to me.

00:19:16.980 That is exactly the essence of Putin,

00:19:20.540 that completely repeating not only Stalin's approach back then,

00:19:24.820 but Hitler's approach.

00:19:26.420 And nobody should be shocked about that.

00:19:28.500 This is just fact.

00:19:29.560 This is reality.

00:19:30.560 You can check yourself,

00:19:31.800 and anyone who watches us right now

00:19:34.360 can take this text, read, and make this conclusion.

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00:21:04.620 So saying that,

00:21:07.220 and I believe what you're saying,

00:21:09.320 number one, that's terrifying.

00:21:11.280 Number two, when you look at Trump's approach

00:21:14.140 to negotiations with Putin,

00:21:16.020 it casts it in an even worse light

00:21:19.200 than before.

00:21:21.620 Because you're looking at him

00:21:23.600 and you're going,

00:21:24.320 is this appeasement?

00:21:26.480 Right.

00:21:27.200 This is, we're coming probably

00:21:28.620 to one of the most important

00:21:30.020 part of our conversation.

00:21:31.800 I don't know what else we can discuss,

00:21:33.660 but this is probably most important.

00:21:35.160 But before moving that,

00:21:36.600 at least I need to say that

00:21:38.440 we can see what Trump himself doing

00:21:41.440 and what his administration is doing

00:21:42.980 domestically within the United States.

00:21:45.860 Almost all,

00:21:47.020 or at least definitely a lot,

00:21:49.860 I would support.

00:21:51.020 Because I think it's absolutely reasonable,

00:21:52.860 absolutely right,

00:21:53.620 absolutely correct.

00:21:54.480 Just defense from the invasion

00:21:56.380 through southern border.

00:21:58.240 Absolutely correct.

00:21:59.400 Restoration of freedom of speech.

00:22:01.260 Wonderful.

00:22:01.580 All this elimination of this,

00:22:05.000 what I was,

00:22:07.000 DOE,

00:22:07.860 DIA,

00:22:09.060 just all this workism and so on

00:22:10.740 are absolutely necessary.

00:22:12.440 There are many other things

00:22:13.700 that Trump administration is doing

00:22:15.640 is absolutely correct.

00:22:17.160 And it's just,

00:22:17.820 I fully support it.

00:22:20.280 But when we're coming to the foreign policy

00:22:22.760 or international relations,

00:22:23.800 this is a shock.

00:22:24.860 Because it is not expected,

00:22:26.640 certainly by me,

00:22:27.800 it is not expected by many other people,

00:22:29.440 actually,

00:22:30.200 I never met anyone who understood it.

00:22:34.340 And for example,

00:22:35.120 Mayer Ferguson,

00:22:36.120 whom you definitely know,

00:22:38.220 so he himself said several times

00:22:40.300 over the last several weeks

00:22:43.240 that he never met any person in Europe

00:22:45.880 who understands the Trump policy

00:22:47.600 towards Europe

00:22:48.240 and international policy.

00:22:50.720 So now we're coming to the most important element,

00:22:54.200 I hope in our discussion

00:22:55.280 and probably over the current days,

00:22:57.940 weeks and months.

00:22:58.720 So what is the policy of Mr. Trump?

00:23:02.440 What is his actual vision

00:23:03.800 based on which he's trying to implement some policies?

00:23:08.100 And my understanding

00:23:09.080 that it's not an appeasement

00:23:11.460 because for Mr. Chamberlain,

00:23:13.500 it was an appeasement

00:23:14.460 because Mr. Chamberlain

00:23:16.020 was a person coming from the First World War

00:23:18.840 in which Britain,

00:23:21.860 France and other countries

00:23:23.160 lost a lot of people.

00:23:25.480 And that is why they understood

00:23:27.900 that there is nothing worse

00:23:29.580 than the war

00:23:30.420 in which hundreds of thousands,

00:23:32.860 if not millions of people

00:23:33.860 have been killed

00:23:34.840 without any reasonable explanation,

00:23:38.680 whatever.

00:23:39.220 So that is why their position was

00:23:41.220 to avoid war at any cost.

00:23:43.540 And that is why they tried to appease

00:23:46.060 until some point

00:23:48.320 because after some point,

00:23:50.060 even Chamberlain has changed his position.

00:23:53.020 It was Chamberlain who announced,

00:23:55.180 who pronounced the war

00:23:56.340 against Germany,

00:23:58.940 against Nazi Germany

00:23:59.800 after invasion into Poland.

00:24:01.620 It was not Churchill.

00:24:02.660 Churchill came later.

00:24:03.360 So that is why even Chamberlain

00:24:05.340 understood that it was a mistake

00:24:06.900 of his position before

00:24:08.520 and he has changed his mind

00:24:10.560 and he has changed his position

00:24:11.980 and he brought Britain

00:24:15.040 into this war,

00:24:16.420 to this absolute eddle.

00:24:18.040 Right?

00:24:18.720 So, but coming to Mr. Trump,

00:24:22.420 whether we have here appeasement,

00:24:24.640 I would try to find different words.

00:24:27.680 Okay.

00:24:27.940 But definitely it reminds appeasement policy

00:24:31.940 of the late 1930s in Europe

00:24:33.900 because the position of Trump,

00:24:36.600 as I understand it,

00:24:37.700 especially now after these two months

00:24:39.460 of his administration,

00:24:41.460 is a different one.

00:24:43.480 Mr. Chamberlain was not in a position

00:24:45.960 to divide world or Europe

00:24:48.340 with Hitler or with Stalin.

00:24:50.700 It was not his position.

00:24:53.500 Mr. Trump's position exactly at that.

00:24:55.660 He is looking for strategic alliance

00:25:01.480 with China.

00:25:03.160 Or, sorry,

00:25:04.060 he's looking for strategic alliance

00:25:05.960 against China

00:25:06.780 because he considers China

00:25:08.780 as the most important enemy

00:25:11.560 of the United States.

00:25:13.520 It was his position back

00:25:14.560 in the first term and now terms.

00:25:18.240 So, and he understands that

00:25:19.920 the resources and capabilities

00:25:22.460 of the United States are limited.

00:25:24.440 Europe is not a big ally

00:25:26.520 in this potential battle with China.

00:25:30.560 So that is why he's looking

00:25:32.620 for potential allies.

00:25:34.380 With all due respect to other allies

00:25:36.760 whom Mr. Biden tried to put

00:25:39.260 into whatever the quad organization,

00:25:42.720 he does not consider them

00:25:44.800 as serious resource.

00:25:46.340 So that is why he's looking for Russia.

00:25:48.700 And that is why he has arrived to idea,

00:25:52.280 as I understand him once again,

00:25:54.460 that Russia might play a role

00:25:57.120 or whatever,

00:25:57.640 deterrent, ally,

00:25:59.000 whatever for,

00:26:00.040 deterrent against China,

00:26:01.280 ally to the United States.

00:26:02.780 So he's trying to play

00:26:04.180 the so-called Nixon's policy

00:26:06.360 vice versa.

00:26:08.580 So Nixon's Kissinger policy

00:26:10.500 was just to take China

00:26:13.100 out of the Soviet Union

00:26:14.460 to put them against.

00:26:15.640 And that is why to deal

00:26:17.020 with what they had considered

00:26:19.520 the goal number one,

00:26:22.160 the Soviet Union.

00:26:23.340 So now Trump is,

00:26:25.200 once again,

00:26:25.680 as I understand him,

00:26:27.000 he's trying to reverse

00:26:28.200 this game.

00:26:29.660 He would try,

00:26:30.520 we know that Trump likes

00:26:31.980 Nixon very much.

00:26:33.200 He considered,

00:26:34.160 to some extent,

00:26:34.920 his successor

00:26:36.020 in policy.

00:26:37.640 He's trying to,

00:26:39.080 some kind of,

00:26:39.680 to take Russia

00:26:40.720 out of China

00:26:41.680 to exploit

00:26:43.100 in the long-term

00:26:44.340 battle against China.

00:26:46.520 So,

00:26:47.600 that being the case,

00:26:50.080 what it seems more and more,

00:26:51.480 and please correct me

00:26:52.300 if I'm wrong,

00:26:53.060 is that Trump

00:26:54.040 is essentially

00:26:54.920 seeing Ukraine

00:26:56.060 as nothing more

00:26:57.040 than a pawn

00:26:57.760 because

00:26:58.740 the most important to him

00:27:00.540 is fostering

00:27:01.960 American-Russian relations

00:27:03.700 so that

00:27:05.280 they can then

00:27:06.500 pressure China

00:27:07.380 and then they're

00:27:08.040 united against China.

00:27:09.600 China is more important

00:27:10.640 to him than Ukraine.

00:27:12.560 And as a result of that,

00:27:14.040 he's far more interested

00:27:15.240 in pursuing relations

00:27:16.560 with Putin

00:27:17.360 and Zelensky

00:27:18.920 and the fate

00:27:19.720 of the Ukrainian people

00:27:20.760 comes second.

00:27:22.920 Is that fair?

00:27:24.000 Francis,

00:27:24.680 I would just,

00:27:25.560 generally I would agree

00:27:26.700 with your sages,

00:27:27.460 it's not second.

00:27:28.520 It's irrelevant.

00:27:30.200 For Trump,

00:27:31.060 Ukraine,

00:27:32.060 Ukrainian people,

00:27:33.080 everything is irrelevant.

00:27:34.940 This is easy,

00:27:36.600 something,

00:27:37.160 very easy stuff,

00:27:38.340 or you use pawn,

00:27:39.340 whatever,

00:27:39.860 that can be given

00:27:40.860 to Putin

00:27:42.040 and actually

00:27:42.560 must be given

00:27:43.500 to Putin

00:27:44.140 to satisfy him

00:27:45.880 and just to

00:27:46.980 lure him

00:27:47.780 into the so-called

00:27:49.060 alliance with Trump.

00:27:51.320 So that is why

00:27:52.160 for him

00:27:52.980 it is absolutely,

00:27:54.020 I would say,

00:27:54.600 just cynical,

00:27:55.860 but in the world

00:27:57.200 of politics

00:27:57.740 it's regular stuff.

00:27:59.540 It's absolutely cynical.

00:28:01.220 Ukraine means

00:28:02.320 nothing

00:28:02.800 for Trump.

00:28:05.140 So this is

00:28:06.720 realist

00:28:07.700 sphere of influence

00:28:08.940 politics.

00:28:09.300 It's a kind of

00:28:09.860 real politics

00:28:10.580 as they're discussing.

00:28:11.960 This is the big guys.

00:28:13.480 Look,

00:28:13.740 we're big men,

00:28:14.700 we control this part,

00:28:15.700 you control that part,

00:28:16.520 let's divide what's in the middle.

00:28:17.740 Yes, it's a great power.

00:28:18.460 So that is why

00:28:19.620 Mr. Vitkov

00:28:20.400 in his recent interview

00:28:22.440 easily has said,

00:28:24.100 okay,

00:28:24.420 Ukraine is a false country.

00:28:26.060 He repeated what

00:28:26.980 has been said

00:28:27.800 by Putin.

00:28:29.660 This is what I was

00:28:30.180 going to ask you about.

00:28:30.820 Sorry,

00:28:32.100 just to say

00:28:33.000 it is important

00:28:34.160 to underscore

00:28:34.820 that Ukraine,

00:28:37.140 fate of Ukraine,

00:28:38.780 and not only fate of Ukraine,

00:28:40.320 fate of Europe,

00:28:41.800 is not,

00:28:42.620 Ukraine does not exist at all.

00:28:44.840 Europe may be secondary

00:28:45.800 as I would use

00:28:47.400 your terminology,

00:28:48.760 but Ukraine does not exist

00:28:49.960 in these calculations

00:28:51.380 at all

00:28:52.040 because

00:28:52.720 from this point of view,

00:28:54.700 Ukraine belongs

00:28:55.400 to the Russian sphere

00:28:56.220 of influence,

00:28:57.780 Russian sphere of control,

00:28:59.660 and that is why

00:29:00.280 the business

00:29:00.900 of Mr. Trump

00:29:01.860 is just to silence

00:29:03.700 Ukraine as much

00:29:04.840 as possible,

00:29:05.840 to silence Zelensky,

00:29:07.060 to silence anyone

00:29:08.100 who,

00:29:08.600 because it's a problem

00:29:09.380 not of Zelensky,

00:29:10.480 it's a problem

00:29:10.940 of the very existence

00:29:12.420 of Ukraine.

00:29:13.160 So,

00:29:13.420 it is not relevant

00:29:15.240 for Trump at all.

00:29:16.880 So that is why

00:29:17.520 by giving

00:29:18.120 this gift

00:29:19.440 to Putin,

00:29:20.860 Trump is hoping

00:29:22.360 that he would be able

00:29:23.820 to create

00:29:24.440 a new alliance

00:29:25.480 with Putin,

00:29:26.940 or at least

00:29:27.580 to try to get

00:29:28.320 him from

00:29:29.460 China,

00:29:30.520 and that is why

00:29:31.120 to deal with China.

00:29:32.600 So I'm just,

00:29:33.600 it's another story

00:29:34.480 how it is

00:29:35.720 mistaking,

00:29:37.720 that it is impossible

00:29:38.680 to achieve,

00:29:39.420 that's another story.

00:29:40.280 Well,

00:29:40.340 we'll talk about this.

00:29:41.000 Yeah,

00:29:41.260 but we're not talking

00:29:42.060 about whether it's

00:29:42.960 possible or not,

00:29:43.860 but we're trying

00:29:44.600 to reconstruct

00:29:46.760 his conscience,

00:29:48.080 his ideas,

00:29:49.260 his mindset,

00:29:50.420 and what we have seen

00:29:52.280 and what we have watched

00:29:53.580 over the last two months,

00:29:55.220 and it's,

00:29:57.680 we arrived

00:29:58.660 to this conclusion.

00:29:59.640 Okay.

00:30:00.440 So,

00:30:00.940 one of the things,

00:30:02.460 this got a lot

00:30:04.660 of traction

00:30:05.140 in the media.

00:30:05.900 There was a conversation

00:30:06.640 between the American

00:30:07.560 presenter,

00:30:08.960 podcaster,

00:30:09.660 Tucker Carlson,

00:30:10.820 and Steve Vitkoff,

00:30:12.160 who is the US

00:30:13.200 special envoy,

00:30:14.520 who is in charge

00:30:15.320 of negotiating

00:30:16.080 a peace deal

00:30:16.680 with Ukraine,

00:30:17.280 and also in Israel

00:30:18.540 and Hamas.

00:30:20.300 And they talked

00:30:21.120 about those two issues,

00:30:22.200 but we'll focus

00:30:22.800 on the Ukraine

00:30:23.380 side of things.

00:30:24.520 He said a lot

00:30:25.560 of things

00:30:26.600 in that interview

00:30:27.580 that are just

00:30:29.080 factually incorrect.

00:30:31.260 He said,

00:30:31.800 he said that

00:30:32.980 the five areas

00:30:34.440 that Russia controls,

00:30:35.800 which it doesn't

00:30:36.360 control fully,

00:30:37.060 by the way,

00:30:37.940 were given to Ukraine

00:30:39.560 by Khrushchev,

00:30:40.660 who was a Ukrainian.

00:30:41.760 That's not true.

00:30:42.700 They weren't given

00:30:43.280 to Ukraine.

00:30:44.420 Only Crimea was,

00:30:45.960 Khrushchev was not Ukrainian.

00:30:48.020 And not by Khrushchev,

00:30:48.900 by the way.

00:30:49.460 It was in time of Khrushchev,

00:30:50.780 but not by Khrushchev himself,

00:30:52.320 because the decision

00:30:52.960 has been taken by Stalin.

00:30:54.700 But Stalin died

00:30:55.680 by that time,

00:30:56.560 and so it was

00:30:57.260 only in time of Khrushchev

00:30:58.900 they fulfilled this.

00:30:59.940 And it's not because,

00:31:01.200 of the Ukrainian-Russian

00:31:02.300 religion,

00:31:02.780 but because

00:31:03.440 of economic issues

00:31:04.820 of restoration

00:31:06.140 of Crimea

00:31:07.140 after the war.

00:31:08.240 That's an interesting

00:31:09.040 different story,

00:31:09.920 but it is completely

00:31:10.760 misguided

00:31:11.780 and completely falsified

00:31:13.120 in the English-speaking media.

00:31:14.720 It is.

00:31:14.860 So nobody's talking about that.

00:31:16.420 I don't want to get

00:31:18.040 too far into the details

00:31:19.180 of that.

00:31:19.740 I think what I'm saying

00:31:21.160 is you as an expert

00:31:22.560 and me as a layman

00:31:23.360 would both agree

00:31:24.180 that there were lots

00:31:25.160 and lots and lots of things

00:31:26.160 that he said,

00:31:26.900 those are just two

00:31:27.780 easy examples,

00:31:29.260 which completely

00:31:30.100 misrepresent

00:31:30.780 the factual reality.

00:31:32.240 What they do represent

00:31:33.380 is the Kremlin position.

00:31:35.840 Right?

00:31:36.220 So why is the U.S.

00:31:37.660 Special Envoy

00:31:38.460 saying things

00:31:40.400 that have no connection

00:31:41.940 to the truth

00:31:42.640 but have every connection

00:31:43.620 to Kremlin propaganda?

00:31:44.680 Why is that happening, Andrei?

00:31:45.940 No, it's, first of all,

00:31:47.040 the fact

00:31:47.500 of unbelievable incompetence

00:31:50.500 and outright ignorance

00:31:51.820 of the facts

00:31:54.280 on the ground.

00:31:55.420 because he had been

00:31:58.140 appointed

00:31:58.440 in this position

00:31:59.160 back then,

00:32:00.340 whatever,

00:32:00.640 in November or December,

00:32:01.940 so he had at least

00:32:03.260 some time

00:32:03.860 to accumulate

00:32:04.540 this knowledge.

00:32:05.640 But it's clear

00:32:06.620 that he's not interested

00:32:07.620 in that

00:32:08.120 because it's not

00:32:10.460 a very big business

00:32:12.000 just to have two clicks

00:32:13.100 and to find out

00:32:13.920 what is the ethnicity

00:32:15.080 of Mr. Khrushchev.

00:32:16.040 It's just English-speaking

00:32:16.980 Wikipedia

00:32:17.440 is telling it openly.

00:32:19.320 It's not a rocket science.

00:32:22.020 So that is why,

00:32:23.460 and by the way,

00:32:24.380 the question is,

00:32:25.060 he bragged,

00:32:26.520 I mean,

00:32:26.840 just Mr. Witkoff bragged

00:32:27.880 that he spent

00:32:28.880 almost eight hours

00:32:29.760 with Putin

00:32:30.280 just to produce

00:32:32.540 an impression

00:32:33.040 on his English-speaking listeners.

00:32:36.080 But the question

00:32:36.740 is very simple.

00:32:37.660 How many seconds

00:32:39.280 he spent with Ukrainians?

00:32:42.080 And the answer

00:32:42.900 is very clear,

00:32:43.580 zero.

00:32:44.680 So that is why

00:32:45.400 how he could be

00:32:46.700 any envoy

00:32:47.660 on these particular issues

00:32:49.160 if he is listening

00:32:50.720 to only one side,

00:32:52.460 being completely ignorant

00:32:53.640 in these issues,

00:32:56.560 never been,

00:32:57.380 neither before

00:32:58.300 this travel,

00:32:59.200 it seems to me,

00:32:59.740 never been to Russia,

00:33:00.660 never been to Ukraine,

00:33:02.000 understanding nothing

00:33:03.420 about this story,

00:33:04.820 about history,

00:33:05.740 about international relations,

00:33:07.720 about security.

00:33:08.860 He admitted

00:33:10.240 just in the last interview

00:33:12.100 that he has been duped

00:33:13.480 by Hamas.

00:33:14.380 Okay,

00:33:14.640 so just,

00:33:15.420 he's on such an age

00:33:16.900 that it's

00:33:17.740 the kind of

00:33:18.700 demonstrating

00:33:19.220 such a quality

00:33:20.200 is just

00:33:21.720 only confirming

00:33:22.440 that he is

00:33:23.380 not suited

00:33:24.300 for this job.

00:33:26.400 Before,

00:33:27.180 just,

00:33:27.900 the people

00:33:28.600 on the other side,

00:33:29.900 for example,

00:33:30.920 on the Russian side,

00:33:31.620 the people spend

00:33:32.220 all life,

00:33:33.400 sometimes 40 years,

00:33:34.400 sometimes 50 years,

00:33:35.760 starting these issues,

00:33:36.860 they are incomparable,

00:33:38.460 or he is incomparable

00:33:39.340 to them.

00:33:40.220 So that is why

00:33:40.840 to manipulate him

00:33:41.860 that he says

00:33:42.760 that it is impossible,

00:33:44.240 it is easy

00:33:44.900 because he is

00:33:45.500 from kindergarten,

00:33:46.260 and he does not

00:33:47.160 understand anything

00:33:47.920 about that.

00:33:50.040 Just,

00:33:50.380 you mentioned

00:33:50.660 a couple of cases,

00:33:51.560 but there is not only

00:33:52.360 these cases

00:33:52.820 versus Ukraine

00:33:53.720 or versus these regions

00:33:54.880 or versus Khrushchev

00:33:56.160 or versus what's going on,

00:33:58.020 but just,

00:33:58.760 he said,

00:33:59.340 just,

00:33:59.640 okay,

00:33:59.980 if Iran,

00:34:01.820 whatever,

00:34:02.260 just he was talking about

00:34:03.260 on different topics

00:34:04.100 that a plan

00:34:05.440 of President Trump

00:34:07.100 would be implemented,

00:34:08.040 so Iran would come back

00:34:09.520 to international community

00:34:10.700 and Iran

00:34:11.960 would join

00:34:12.900 League of Nations.

00:34:16.060 It's on record.

00:34:17.620 It's on record

00:34:18.200 in this interview

00:34:19.200 and in the transcript.

00:34:20.940 So that is why,

00:34:22.320 what are we talking about?

00:34:23.920 It's not about

00:34:24.860 whatever the names

00:34:25.840 of the four

00:34:26.540 or five Ukrainian regions

00:34:28.720 partially occupied

00:34:30.720 by Russian troops.

00:34:32.220 It's about basic knowledge

00:34:34.240 about the current world.

00:34:35.640 It's not about

00:34:36.580 United Nations.

00:34:37.620 It's about

00:34:38.040 League of Nations.

00:34:39.220 So that is why,

00:34:40.860 once again,

00:34:41.480 we are dealing

00:34:42.320 with a problem,

00:34:43.140 certainly we have

00:34:43.820 incompetence,

00:34:44.620 we have ignorance,

00:34:46.000 and we have,

00:34:46.880 it's kind of,

00:34:47.460 if people of such level

00:34:48.920 incompetent,

00:34:50.080 ignorant,

00:34:50.940 it's not a very big business

00:34:52.340 to be,

00:34:53.100 to manipulate them,

00:34:54.880 especially by those

00:34:56.180 who spend all their life

00:34:57.960 in that particular profession.

00:35:00.000 And especially

00:35:00.500 your argument

00:35:01.220 is because actually,

00:35:03.500 why not send someone

00:35:05.320 like that in

00:35:06.380 to negotiate?

00:35:07.080 Because ultimately

00:35:07.720 what you care about

00:35:08.400 is just get this

00:35:09.040 wrapped up,

00:35:09.540 it doesn't really matter

00:35:10.500 how this ends,

00:35:11.560 we need to deal

00:35:12.540 with this quickly

00:35:13.080 because we've got

00:35:13.820 China to deal with.

00:35:14.780 That's exactly the point

00:35:16.120 because the support

00:35:17.180 that Mr. Vitkov

00:35:18.480 has received

00:35:19.200 from Mr. Vance

00:35:20.860 confirms this logic

00:35:23.420 because for them

00:35:24.640 it is not important.

00:35:26.060 That's irrelevant.

00:35:27.420 What is going

00:35:27.980 in Ukraine,

00:35:28.900 whether five regions

00:35:29.760 or 15 regions

00:35:30.480 or 50 regions,

00:35:31.660 doesn't matter at all

00:35:32.840 because for them

00:35:34.160 they have

00:35:34.620 kind of the main goal.

00:35:36.340 The main goal,

00:35:37.100 and by the way,

00:35:37.740 Mr. Vitkov

00:35:38.300 was some kind

00:35:39.180 of courageous enough

00:35:40.040 to explain

00:35:41.000 the main goal

00:35:41.800 is to have friendship

00:35:42.940 with Russia,

00:35:44.220 to have business

00:35:44.960 with Russia,

00:35:45.520 to have economic relations.

00:35:46.720 Let's have energy projects,

00:35:48.260 let's have projects

00:35:48.940 in Arctic,

00:35:50.060 let's have a project

00:35:51.180 in artificial intelligence,

00:35:52.780 let's have projects

00:35:54.140 in technologies,

00:35:55.360 let's have everything

00:35:56.420 just to bring

00:35:57.940 Russia together,

00:36:00.260 closer,

00:36:00.940 to the United States,

00:36:02.020 regardless

00:36:02.900 what price

00:36:03.720 must be paid

00:36:04.520 for that

00:36:05.000 because for them

00:36:06.420 this is a goal

00:36:08.160 number one.

00:36:09.080 This is absolute goal.

00:36:10.140 Okay,

00:36:10.680 well,

00:36:11.080 let's,

00:36:12.140 look,

00:36:12.580 I think

00:36:13.360 we should have

00:36:14.360 this discussion fairly

00:36:15.440 which is to say

00:36:16.360 look,

00:36:17.740 morality is morality

00:36:18.880 and we all have

00:36:19.700 our own personal morality

00:36:20.780 and right and wrong

00:36:21.940 or whatever

00:36:22.280 but when it comes

00:36:22.980 to great power

00:36:24.020 stuff,

00:36:25.500 you know,

00:36:25.800 these considerations

00:36:26.640 come in too

00:36:27.340 and why not

00:36:28.560 have peace

00:36:29.220 with one of the biggest

00:36:30.000 countries in the world

00:36:30.780 and trade and so on.

00:36:32.720 My argument

00:36:33.600 has always been

00:36:34.840 that I think

00:36:35.640 that if the Ukraine

00:36:36.520 conflict ends

00:36:37.900 in a way

00:36:38.400 that doesn't produce

00:36:39.440 long-term security

00:36:40.420 for Ukraine,

00:36:41.500 this will happen again.

00:36:43.320 The invasion

00:36:44.040 that happened

00:36:44.660 in 2014

00:36:45.420 and in 2022

00:36:46.720 is likely

00:36:47.960 to be repeated again

00:36:48.980 because there's

00:36:49.520 no reason why

00:36:50.100 it wouldn't

00:36:50.820 and Steve Witkoff

00:36:52.720 says,

00:36:53.120 well,

00:36:53.280 no,

00:36:53.500 they've got the regions

00:36:54.540 that they wanted,

00:36:55.640 why would they keep going?

00:36:57.100 It's not very persuasive

00:36:58.360 to me.

00:36:58.940 What do you think?

00:36:59.620 Your logic

00:37:02.960 is understandable

00:37:03.600 but you're

00:37:04.580 thinking that

00:37:06.760 it will be peace,

00:37:08.180 at least some

00:37:08.600 short-term peace.

00:37:09.600 I don't think

00:37:10.080 that there will be

00:37:10.560 any short-term peace

00:37:11.420 because all these

00:37:12.640 negotiations

00:37:13.520 would lead

00:37:15.160 to only one

00:37:16.320 possible result,

00:37:17.720 to capitulation

00:37:18.440 of Ukraine.

00:37:19.960 And

00:37:20.240 either Witkoff

00:37:21.820 or Wentz

00:37:22.900 or even

00:37:23.620 President Trump

00:37:24.320 in many

00:37:25.500 their comments

00:37:26.780 are hinting

00:37:29.140 on this

00:37:29.760 particular

00:37:30.480 outcome.

00:37:32.080 Just for them,

00:37:33.020 it will be

00:37:33.460 not a very big

00:37:34.100 surprise,

00:37:34.620 not a very big

00:37:35.120 shock.

00:37:36.120 And the capitulation

00:37:36.880 of Ukraine

00:37:37.520 because

00:37:38.080 what they're

00:37:39.140 talking about,

00:37:39.840 whatever,

00:37:40.240 ceasefire

00:37:40.800 and so on,

00:37:42.300 with stop

00:37:43.120 of providing

00:37:44.340 military aid

00:37:45.180 or intelligence

00:37:46.140 or whatever

00:37:46.600 means

00:37:47.360 because

00:37:49.000 stop with

00:37:50.020 mobilization

00:37:50.800 or with all

00:37:51.480 those efforts

00:37:51.900 to bring

00:37:52.320 necessary people

00:37:53.420 into the

00:37:54.040 armed forces

00:37:54.560 of Ukraine

00:37:55.040 mean that

00:37:56.040 Ukraine will

00:37:56.900 be subjugated.

00:37:59.140 If Ukraine

00:38:00.040 will be subjugated

00:38:00.980 and this is

00:38:01.420 an obvious result

00:38:02.360 of these efforts

00:38:03.140 because

00:38:03.500 Putin has

00:38:04.700 proclaimed

00:38:05.980 his goal

00:38:06.880 about Ukraine

00:38:07.920 not now,

00:38:10.000 not in yet

00:38:10.500 2022

00:38:11.120 as people are

00:38:11.940 talking about

00:38:12.360 last three years,

00:38:13.160 not in yet

00:38:13.840 2014

00:38:14.580 with occupation

00:38:16.220 and annexation

00:38:17.120 of Crimea.

00:38:17.800 He proclaimed

00:38:18.500 in the year

00:38:18.900 2003.

00:38:21.320 So it's,

00:38:22.140 it is absolutely

00:38:22.880 irrelevant

00:38:23.460 with Zelensky

00:38:24.380 or not Zelensky,

00:38:25.300 with Poroshenko

00:38:25.880 or not Poroshenko,

00:38:26.860 with this regime

00:38:27.600 in Ukraine

00:38:28.040 or not this regime

00:38:28.880 in Ukraine.

00:38:29.500 It is not related

00:38:30.380 with NATO

00:38:31.080 or Ukraine

00:38:32.360 in NATO

00:38:33.020 or membership

00:38:33.580 or this map

00:38:34.580 to NATO,

00:38:35.520 nothing.

00:38:36.280 In the year 2003

00:38:37.280 Ukraine was

00:38:37.940 the closest

00:38:38.700 partner of Russia

00:38:40.320 and the

00:38:41.620 opinion polls

00:38:42.540 in Ukraine

00:38:43.080 showed the

00:38:43.800 highest support

00:38:44.860 for whom

00:38:45.520 among political

00:38:46.840 leaders,

00:38:47.640 among Ukrainians.

00:38:49.400 The highest

00:38:49.920 position was not

00:38:50.980 Mr. Kuchma,

00:38:52.620 the president

00:38:53.040 of Ukraine

00:38:53.780 back then,

00:38:54.820 nor Mr.

00:38:55.760 whoever would

00:38:56.780 be there.

00:38:57.680 It was for

00:38:58.220 Putin.

00:38:59.440 Ukraine was

00:39:00.060 completely pro-Putin

00:39:01.280 back then

00:39:01.820 in year 2003.

00:39:03.700 So that is why

00:39:04.340 it was not a

00:39:04.920 problem of

00:39:05.400 any discussions

00:39:06.640 or any problems

00:39:07.500 or battles

00:39:07.960 between Russia

00:39:08.580 and Ukraine.

00:39:09.360 It was imperial

00:39:10.200 ideas of

00:39:11.820 Mr. Putin

00:39:12.360 when in

00:39:12.900 year 2003

00:39:13.580 he proclaimed

00:39:14.400 that he has

00:39:15.400 territorial claims

00:39:16.720 to Ukraine

00:39:17.280 and he started

00:39:18.280 this provocation

00:39:20.700 at Tuzla

00:39:22.480 Island

00:39:22.920 in the

00:39:23.760 Strait of

00:39:24.200 Kerch

00:39:24.540 between Black

00:39:25.980 Sea and

00:39:26.460 the Sea of

00:39:27.040 Zoff.

00:39:27.740 So it was

00:39:28.460 on September

00:39:29.460 17th

00:39:30.900 year 2003

00:39:31.800 when Putin

00:39:33.000 collected

00:39:33.780 the all

00:39:34.660 military

00:39:35.820 diplomatic

00:39:36.600 and intelligence

00:39:37.840 community

00:39:38.500 in small

00:39:39.380 city

00:39:39.760 Yeysk

00:39:40.260 of

00:39:40.500 Krasnodar

00:39:40.900 region

00:39:41.340 in Russia

00:39:42.760 where he

00:39:43.620 proclaimed

00:39:44.160 that okay

00:39:44.700 we need

00:39:45.360 to military

00:39:46.640 diplomatic

00:39:47.160 solution

00:39:47.820 to the

00:39:48.320 territorial

00:39:48.780 issues

00:39:49.500 that we

00:39:50.120 have

00:39:50.300 between

00:39:50.600 Russia

00:39:50.900 and Ukraine.

00:39:52.200 Nobody

00:39:52.880 ever

00:39:53.380 was talking

00:39:54.260 about

00:39:54.700 NATO

00:39:55.160 back then

00:39:56.580 in Ukraine

00:39:57.720 or anywhere

00:39:58.320 else.

00:39:59.280 So Ukraine

00:40:00.020 was pro-Putin

00:40:00.980 pro-Russian

00:40:01.620 back then.

00:40:02.500 So that is

00:40:02.920 what a long

00:40:03.700 imperial project

00:40:04.900 to subjugate

00:40:06.160 whole Ukraine.

00:40:07.840 So that is

00:40:08.220 what will

00:40:08.940 happen

00:40:09.380 if

00:40:10.540 that those

00:40:11.260 negotiations

00:40:12.200 for ceasefire

00:40:13.120 over peace

00:40:13.920 will succeed

00:40:15.360 according to

00:40:16.220 efforts

00:40:16.600 or thanks

00:40:17.600 to efforts

00:40:18.140 of Mr.

00:40:19.160 Witko

00:40:19.440 Wenz

00:40:19.780 or

00:40:20.240 President

00:40:21.320 Trump.

00:40:22.220 If Ukraine

00:40:23.340 will be

00:40:23.800 subjugated

00:40:24.420 by Putin

00:40:25.640 so that is

00:40:26.660 why the

00:40:27.200 armed forces

00:40:27.820 of Ukraine

00:40:28.360 which is

00:40:28.760 now about

00:40:29.220 800,000

00:40:30.240 of military

00:40:31.780 very well

00:40:32.860 trained

00:40:33.420 reasonably

00:40:34.300 equipped

00:40:35.020 battle

00:40:36.120 hardened

00:40:36.620 would join

00:40:38.180 Russian

00:40:38.720 army.

00:40:40.200 Certainly

00:40:40.720 with some

00:40:41.180 cleansing

00:40:41.660 for officer

00:40:42.460 corps

00:40:42.800 because

00:40:43.480 some

00:40:43.900 kind

00:40:44.060 of

00:40:44.220 the

00:40:44.600 patriotic

00:40:45.080 Ukrainians

00:40:46.020 will be

00:40:46.560 cleansed

00:40:47.320 from

00:40:47.600 this

00:40:47.920 army

00:40:48.280 and that

00:40:49.040 is why

00:40:49.380 Russian

00:40:49.740 army

00:40:49.980 which is

00:40:50.320 now

00:40:50.600 I mean

00:40:51.100 the battle

00:40:51.600 forces

00:40:52.760 1.5

00:40:53.540 million

00:40:53.840 will be

00:40:54.780 roughly

00:40:55.080 speaking

00:40:55.420 2 million

00:40:55.920 or 2.5

00:40:56.600 or whatever

00:40:57.080 just between

00:40:57.800 that.

00:40:58.780 And now

00:40:59.020 we can

00:40:59.480 look into

00:40:59.940 the

00:41:00.480 military

00:41:01.260 forces

00:41:01.640 of

00:41:02.120 European

00:41:02.500 countries

00:41:03.040 the

00:41:04.360 largest

00:41:04.660 will be

00:41:04.960 200,000.

00:41:06.700 What

00:41:07.000 could

00:41:07.800 any

00:41:08.720 European

00:41:09.080 countries

00:41:09.660 or all

00:41:10.280 those

00:41:10.480 European

00:41:10.780 countries

00:41:11.180 together

00:41:11.600 to do

00:41:12.500 with the

00:41:13.140 two

00:41:13.900 best

00:41:14.440 most

00:41:15.940 experienced

00:41:16.640 armies

00:41:17.600 of the

00:41:18.060 current

00:41:18.300 day

00:41:18.560 Russian

00:41:19.560 and Ukrainian

00:41:20.260 combined

00:41:20.780 nothing.

00:41:22.780 What they

00:41:23.540 could do

00:41:24.180 for example

00:41:25.340 in defense

00:41:25.960 of Baltic

00:41:26.420 countries

00:41:26.800 nothing.

00:41:28.160 Now

00:41:28.560 Baltic

00:41:29.180 countries

00:41:29.420 have no

00:41:29.840 doubt

00:41:30.200 so just

00:41:30.820 this

00:41:31.260 Article 5

00:41:32.240 does not

00:41:32.620 apply to

00:41:33.240 with the

00:41:34.480 current

00:41:34.760 US

00:41:35.160 administration

00:41:35.620 does not

00:41:36.000 apply to

00:41:36.400 Baltic

00:41:36.680 countries.

00:41:37.420 Nobody

00:41:37.620 would do

00:41:37.940 anything.

00:41:38.480 Why do you

00:41:39.580 say it

00:41:39.800 doesn't

00:41:40.000 apply?

00:41:40.220 It's not

00:41:40.500 me.

00:41:41.020 It's

00:41:41.240 Baltic

00:41:41.560 countries.

00:41:42.040 They

00:41:42.160 came to

00:41:42.440 this

00:41:42.620 conclusion

00:41:43.000 after

00:41:43.360 these

00:41:43.540 two

00:41:43.700 months.

00:41:44.300 I

00:41:44.380 talked

00:41:44.600 a lot

00:41:45.120 to

00:41:45.360 people

00:41:46.940 in

00:41:47.180 the

00:41:47.280 Baltic

00:41:47.540 countries.

00:41:48.420 They

00:41:48.660 came

00:41:49.360 to

00:41:49.520 absolute

00:41:49.980 conclusion

00:41:50.480 that

00:41:50.840 they

00:41:51.620 would not

00:41:52.420 be

00:41:52.600 supported

00:41:52.960 by the

00:41:54.120 United

00:41:54.340 States.

00:41:55.040 And

00:41:55.160 that

00:41:55.380 by the

00:41:57.420 world

00:41:57.860 main

00:41:58.500 security

00:41:59.360 guarantees

00:41:59.840 for

00:42:00.100 Europe.

00:42:00.900 Not

00:42:01.300 for

00:42:01.440 Ukraine.

00:42:01.780 Now

00:42:01.880 we're

00:42:02.040 talking

00:42:02.220 not

00:42:02.440 about

00:42:03.040 Ukraine.

00:42:03.720 About

00:42:04.100 Europe.

00:42:04.920 And

00:42:05.180 now

00:42:05.400 all of

00:42:05.760 a sudden

00:42:06.200 Europe

00:42:06.940 recognized

00:42:07.820 that

00:42:08.700 they

00:42:08.900 don't

00:42:09.180 have

00:42:09.560 US

00:42:10.940 support.

00:42:11.800 You

00:42:12.240 might

00:42:12.820 not

00:42:13.080 have

00:42:13.440 US

00:42:14.240 nuclear

00:42:14.700 umbrella

00:42:15.160 over

00:42:16.620 Europe.

00:42:17.320 And

00:42:17.600 that

00:42:17.760 is

00:42:17.900 why

00:42:18.240 they

00:42:18.800 are

00:42:19.120 left

00:42:19.380 alone

00:42:19.900 in

00:42:20.620 front

00:42:20.880 of

00:42:21.060 the

00:42:21.240 potential

00:42:21.740 real

00:42:22.840 aggressor.

00:42:23.740 So

00:42:23.980 that

00:42:24.180 is

00:42:24.340 why

00:42:24.640 coming

00:42:25.100 back

00:42:25.420 what

00:42:25.820 would

00:42:26.140 lead

00:42:26.460 to

00:42:26.700 the

00:42:26.940 so-called

00:42:27.300 negotiations

00:42:27.900 about

00:42:28.260 ceasefire.

00:42:29.520 So

00:42:29.660 at

00:42:30.400 the

00:42:30.560 gate

00:42:30.780 of

00:42:30.980 Europe

00:42:31.320 will

00:42:31.840 be

00:42:32.140 largest

00:42:32.820 most

00:42:33.220 experienced

00:42:33.920 in the

00:42:34.560 modern

00:42:34.840 warfare

00:42:35.420 army

00:42:35.940 combining

00:42:37.180 Russian

00:42:38.220 forces

00:42:38.620 and

00:42:38.880 Ukrainian

00:42:39.200 forces.

00:42:40.140 Why

00:42:40.480 it's

00:42:41.500 necessary

00:42:41.720 to wait

00:42:42.100 until

00:42:42.380 the

00:42:42.500 end

00:42:42.560 of

00:42:42.640 2030?

00:42:44.180 Why

00:42:44.560 it is

00:42:45.220 necessary

00:42:45.460 to use

00:42:45.780 exactly

00:42:46.260 this

00:42:46.620 window

00:42:47.300 of

00:42:47.480 opportunity

00:42:47.920 of

00:42:48.240 this

00:42:48.420 current

00:42:48.680 administration

00:42:49.220 that

00:42:49.820 is

00:42:49.980 proclaimed

00:42:50.420 that

00:42:50.660 it

00:42:50.800 might

00:42:51.120 withdraw

00:42:52.060 from

00:42:52.360 Europe

00:42:52.620 or at

00:42:52.920 least

00:42:53.100 the

00:42:54.100 relation

00:42:54.460 between

00:42:54.920 US

00:42:55.260 and

00:42:55.480 Europe

00:42:55.660 would

00:42:55.860 be

00:42:55.980 on a

00:42:56.260 different

00:42:56.520 level

00:42:56.860 so

00:42:57.720 no

00:42:58.600 reason

00:42:58.860 to wait

00:42:59.220 until

00:42:59.480 2030

00:43:00.040 especially

00:43:01.040 if

00:43:01.500 Europeans

00:43:01.900 are going

00:43:02.580 to be

00:43:02.880 ready

00:43:03.120 by

00:43:03.360 year

00:43:03.820 2030

00:43:04.280 so

00:43:05.200 that is

00:43:05.820 why

00:43:05.960 for

00:43:06.100 opportunity

00:43:06.340 it will be

00:43:06.700 absolutely

00:43:07.160 clear

00:43:07.500 it is

00:43:08.080 necessary to

00:43:08.560 wait

00:43:08.760 until

00:43:09.180 another five

00:43:10.320 years

00:43:10.480 it is

00:43:10.800 necessary to

00:43:11.200 do it

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00:43:13.240 chaos

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00:44:41.800 claims

00:44:42.160 program

00:44:42.560 for

00:44:43.020 harmed

00:44:43.440 Canadians

00:44:43.920 has

00:44:44.320 begun

00:44:44.740 as a

00:44:45.220 result

00:44:45.520 of a

00:44:45.940 landmark

00:44:46.420 tobacco

00:44:46.900 settlement

00:44:47.320 if you

00:44:48.260 smoked

00:44:48.600 regularly

00:44:49.140 before

00:44:49.640 November

00:44:50.060 20th

00:44:50.820 1998

00:44:51.620 and

00:44:52.420 were

00:44:52.620 diagnosed

00:44:53.060 with

00:44:53.640 lung

00:44:54.040 cancer

00:44:54.560 throat

00:44:55.180 cancer

00:44:55.720 emphysema

00:44:56.620 or

00:44:57.000 COPD

00:44:57.720 you may

00:44:58.820 qualify

00:44:59.180 for a

00:44:59.720 significant

00:45:00.200 payment

00:45:00.720 to learn

00:45:01.720 more

00:45:02.060 call

00:45:02.500 888

00:45:03.200 482

00:45:04.520 5852

00:45:05.880 or go

00:45:06.560 to

00:45:06.880 tobacco

00:45:07.340 claims

00:45:07.860 canada

00:45:08.340 dot

00:45:08.680 ca

00:45:08.980 Andre

00:45:12.360 look

00:45:13.000 the

00:45:13.440 argument

00:45:14.720 from the

00:45:15.220 Trump

00:45:15.460 administration

00:45:15.980 is

00:45:16.680 when we

00:45:17.380 sign the

00:45:17.860 minerals

00:45:18.240 deal

00:45:18.560 with

00:45:18.800 Ukraine

00:45:19.320 that

00:45:19.960 will

00:45:20.160 guarantee

00:45:20.700 Americans

00:45:21.640 in Ukraine

00:45:23.080 that will

00:45:23.580 guarantee

00:45:24.140 American

00:45:24.980 financial

00:45:25.580 interest

00:45:26.380 in Ukraine

00:45:27.160 boots

00:45:28.100 on the

00:45:28.400 ground

00:45:28.720 that will

00:45:29.700 therefore

00:45:30.060 mean

00:45:30.440 that

00:45:30.800 Russia

00:45:32.040 won't want

00:45:32.620 to invade

00:45:33.040 because

00:45:33.300 they won't

00:45:33.760 want to

00:45:34.140 antagonize

00:45:34.940 American

00:45:35.640 interests

00:45:36.120 American

00:45:36.500 business

00:45:36.980 interests

00:45:37.520 therefore

00:45:38.220 guaranteeing

00:45:39.040 Ukraine

00:45:39.480 safety

00:45:40.060 what do

00:45:40.700 you say

00:45:40.980 to that

00:45:41.380 Francis

00:45:42.000 we need

00:45:42.380 to

00:45:42.580 distinguish

00:45:43.260 between

00:45:43.820 economic

00:45:44.440 interest

00:45:44.800 and boots

00:45:45.240 on the

00:45:45.480 ground

00:45:45.780 boots

00:45:46.160 on the

00:45:46.380 ground

00:45:46.580 is

00:45:46.740 military

00:45:47.140 Trump

00:45:48.540 never

00:45:48.780 said

00:45:49.040 that

00:45:49.280 that's

00:45:51.460 a very

00:45:51.720 important

00:45:52.060 contractors

00:45:53.660 and things

00:45:53.960 like that

00:45:54.340 sorry

00:45:54.660 this is a

00:45:55.920 kindergarten

00:45:56.340 I'm really

00:45:56.980 sorry to

00:45:57.480 say so

00:45:58.000 because

00:45:58.540 everybody

00:45:59.260 knows

00:45:59.800 and this

00:46:00.660 is a

00:46:00.900 history

00:46:01.220 shows

00:46:01.700 that

00:46:02.300 whoever

00:46:02.860 will be

00:46:03.820 in so

00:46:04.260 called

00:46:04.540 economic

00:46:06.220 interest

00:46:06.640 and business

00:46:07.060 interest

00:46:07.320 it is not

00:46:08.240 deterrent

00:46:08.700 for intervention

00:46:09.380 by the way

00:46:10.460 in Donbass

00:46:11.120 there were

00:46:11.380 many

00:46:11.760 American

00:46:12.580 companies

00:46:13.160 back then

00:46:14.000 in year

00:46:14.460 2014

00:46:15.060 what happened

00:46:15.940 to them

00:46:16.680 were they

00:46:18.280 served as

00:46:19.420 a deterrent

00:46:19.940 for Putin

00:46:20.940 to attack

00:46:21.780 Donbass

00:46:22.200 no

00:46:22.580 and all

00:46:24.180 those assets

00:46:25.060 of those

00:46:25.580 American

00:46:25.940 companies

00:46:26.400 for example

00:46:26.800 Cargill

00:46:27.240 Cargill

00:46:28.060 was in

00:46:28.460 Donetsk

00:46:29.040 so all

00:46:29.980 have been

00:46:30.540 taken by

00:46:31.600 Russians

00:46:32.040 and by

00:46:32.900 separatists

00:46:33.480 and they

00:46:33.780 have been

00:46:34.120 just

00:46:34.460 either robbed

00:46:35.740 or some

00:46:36.280 kind of

00:46:36.620 appropriated

00:46:37.320 this

00:46:37.620 and nobody

00:46:38.580 neither

00:46:39.300 Mr.

00:46:39.700 Obama

00:46:39.980 nor Mr.

00:46:40.500 Biden

00:46:40.720 nor Mr.

00:46:41.160 Trump

00:46:41.320 said any

00:46:41.820 word

00:46:42.140 in defense

00:46:43.120 of those

00:46:43.660 American

00:46:44.380 companies

00:46:44.920 and American

00:46:45.700 property

00:46:46.200 on these

00:46:47.160 occupied

00:46:47.540 territories

00:46:48.020 same story

00:46:49.080 will be

00:46:49.500 for the

00:46:50.180 rest of

00:46:50.480 the world

00:46:50.720 so this

00:46:51.660 is a

00:46:51.960 rule

00:46:52.220 it's

00:46:52.860 actually

00:46:53.200 not only

00:46:53.740 in Donbass

00:46:54.440 not only

00:46:54.920 in Crimea

00:46:55.320 not only

00:46:55.800 in Ukraine

00:46:56.100 everywhere

00:46:56.660 so

00:46:57.780 Alexander

00:46:58.740 Sergeyevich

00:46:59.280 Pushkin

00:46:59.660 the famous

00:47:00.560 Russian poet

00:47:01.320 once said

00:47:02.340 very important

00:47:03.020 I will say

00:47:03.740 it in Russian

00:47:04.300 все куплю

00:47:05.820 сказала

00:47:06.680 Zlata

00:47:07.180 все возьму

00:47:08.440 сказал

00:47:08.960 Bulat

00:47:09.380 which in

00:47:10.620 English

00:47:11.100 would be

00:47:11.520 translated

00:47:11.920 okay

00:47:12.320 I'm ready

00:47:13.360 to buy

00:47:13.760 everything

00:47:14.360 says

00:47:15.080 gold

00:47:15.780 so that

00:47:16.660 is a business

00:47:17.220 interest

00:47:17.620 but

00:47:18.800 the final

00:47:19.620 word

00:47:20.020 will be

00:47:20.660 said

00:47:20.900 by Bulat

00:47:21.560 by steel

00:47:22.340 by

00:47:23.020 military

00:47:23.960 force

00:47:24.340 so

00:47:24.960 but the

00:47:25.640 final word

00:47:26.260 remains

00:47:27.020 for

00:47:27.940 military

00:47:28.880 force

00:47:29.280 military

00:47:29.740 force

00:47:30.060 has the

00:47:30.400 final word

00:47:30.880 final word

00:47:31.580 yes

00:47:31.880 and if

00:47:32.840 we look

00:47:33.080 around

00:47:33.480 so just

00:47:34.200 only

00:47:35.220 military

00:47:36.640 guarantees

00:47:37.600 provide

00:47:38.460 necessary

00:47:39.960 conditions

00:47:40.580 for

00:47:41.400 future

00:47:42.520 economic

00:47:43.220 growth

00:47:43.600 why

00:47:44.300 South

00:47:44.660 Korea

00:47:45.100 became

00:47:45.980 such a

00:47:47.380 wonderful

00:47:47.900 example

00:47:48.900 of economic

00:47:49.520 growth

00:47:49.880 why it

00:47:50.360 became

00:47:50.720 a miracle

00:47:51.620 economic

00:47:52.200 miracle

00:47:52.600 because

00:47:53.760 US forces

00:47:54.760 were

00:47:55.420 having

00:47:56.020 boots

00:47:56.480 on the

00:47:56.900 ground

00:47:57.260 between

00:47:59.020 1950

00:47:59.620 to

00:47:59.840 1953

00:48:00.260 during

00:48:00.640 the

00:48:00.820 Korean

00:48:01.060 War

00:48:01.300 and

00:48:01.760 after

00:48:01.980 that

00:48:02.320 US

00:48:04.220 troops

00:48:04.520 did

00:48:04.760 not

00:48:04.960 leave

00:48:05.220 South

00:48:05.600 Korea

00:48:05.940 why

00:48:07.040 Western

00:48:07.560 Germany

00:48:08.040 became

00:48:08.860 such

00:48:09.140 an

00:48:09.600 economic

00:48:10.300 miracle

00:48:10.800 success

00:48:11.300 and so

00:48:11.700 because

00:48:12.720 US troops

00:48:13.620 were

00:48:13.940 on the

00:48:14.340 ground

00:48:14.660 and

00:48:16.160 Western

00:48:16.640 Germany

00:48:17.080 became

00:48:17.480 a member

00:48:17.840 of

00:48:18.040 NATO

00:48:18.340 why

00:48:19.420 Albania

00:48:20.220 the

00:48:21.040 poorest

00:48:21.380 country

00:48:21.780 in

00:48:22.080 Europe

00:48:22.440 became

00:48:23.440 now

00:48:23.780 the

00:48:24.200 economic

00:48:24.840 tiger

00:48:25.260 of the

00:48:25.940 last

00:48:26.140 quarter

00:48:26.440 of

00:48:26.600 century

00:48:26.900 because

00:48:27.880 American

00:48:28.400 troops

00:48:28.740 on the

00:48:29.060 ground

00:48:29.400 and

00:48:30.140 because

00:48:30.540 Albania

00:48:31.400 became

00:48:31.760 member

00:48:32.080 of

00:48:32.240 NATO

00:48:32.480 it's

00:48:33.460 only

00:48:33.760 one

00:48:34.100 way

00:48:34.440 first

00:48:35.120 of

00:48:35.300 all

00:48:35.460 security

00:48:36.080 guarantees

00:48:36.700 in

00:48:37.960 the

00:48:38.100 form

00:48:38.400 of

00:48:38.840 US

00:48:39.300 troops

00:48:39.660 or

00:48:40.000 military

00:48:40.400 alliance

00:48:40.900 like

00:48:41.220 NATO

00:48:41.560 that

00:48:42.180 can

00:48:42.400 guarantee

00:48:42.860 potential

00:48:43.780 participation

00:48:44.420 of

00:48:44.640 US

00:48:44.840 troops

00:48:45.060 and

00:48:45.500 other

00:48:45.780 troops

00:48:46.100 and

00:48:46.740 only

00:48:47.100 after

00:48:47.460 that

00:48:47.740 economic

00:48:48.200 success

00:48:48.660 there

00:48:49.600 is

00:48:49.760 no

00:48:49.960 economic

00:48:50.460 success

00:48:50.960 without

00:48:51.280 security

00:48:51.760 guarantees

00:48:52.180 just one

00:48:53.140 example

00:48:53.600 you know

00:48:54.800 what example

00:48:55.700 Mr.

00:48:56.880 Trump

00:48:57.200 Mr.

00:48:58.240 Trump

00:48:58.420 himself

00:48:58.880 before he

00:49:00.360 became

00:49:00.760 US

00:49:01.860 president

00:49:02.240 even the

00:49:02.940 first time

00:49:03.460 he was a

00:49:04.680 very well

00:49:05.440 known

00:49:05.720 kind of

00:49:06.220 real

00:49:07.140 state

00:49:08.100 developer

00:49:08.520 in the

00:49:09.520 United

00:49:09.720 States

00:49:10.020 he was

00:49:10.720 interesting

00:49:11.200 in

00:49:11.760 participating

00:49:12.840 in different

00:49:13.280 projects

00:49:13.620 around the

00:49:14.060 world

00:49:14.220 he was

00:49:14.940 considering

00:49:15.500 the

00:49:16.240 participation

00:49:16.700 in

00:49:17.140 Russia

00:49:17.440 he was

00:49:18.800 even

00:49:19.040 traveling

00:49:19.460 to

00:49:19.740 Moscow

00:49:20.060 looking

00:49:20.380 for

00:49:20.600 potential

00:49:21.220 acquiring

00:49:22.360 hotel

00:49:23.180 or

00:49:23.600 maybe

00:49:23.940 some

00:49:24.200 other

00:49:24.420 assets

00:49:24.800 back

00:49:26.060 then

00:49:26.380 in

00:49:27.020 2012

00:49:28.200 if I'm

00:49:28.880 not

00:49:29.040 mistaken

00:49:29.440 what

00:49:30.700 his

00:49:30.900 decision

00:49:31.220 was

00:49:31.540 too

00:49:32.540 risky

00:49:32.960 it was

00:49:34.820 him

00:49:35.180 Mr.

00:49:35.960 Trump

00:49:36.240 who

00:49:37.080 was

00:49:38.300 not

00:49:38.540 courageous

00:49:39.020 enough

00:49:39.520 to

00:49:40.300 invest

00:49:40.920 in

00:49:41.300 Russia

00:49:41.700 in

00:49:42.280 2012

00:49:43.420 before

00:49:44.700 occupation

00:49:45.400 annexation

00:49:46.060 of Crimea

00:49:46.560 before

00:49:47.020 this

00:49:47.340 full-scale

00:49:48.100 intervention

00:49:48.800 against

00:49:49.380 Ukraine

00:49:49.780 he himself

00:49:51.020 taking the

00:49:51.640 correct

00:49:52.140 decision

00:49:52.540 because

00:49:53.200 he understands

00:49:54.120 and he

00:49:54.600 understood

00:49:55.040 that this

00:49:55.880 is too

00:49:56.180 dangerous

00:49:56.700 for himself

00:49:58.420 he understands

00:49:58.940 this is

00:49:59.300 dangerous

00:49:59.700 why

00:50:01.140 he think

00:50:01.660 that

00:50:01.960 other

00:50:03.260 people

00:50:03.540 would

00:50:03.740 be so

00:50:04.060 stupid

00:50:04.500 that

00:50:05.100 would

00:50:05.300 invest

00:50:05.800 in

00:50:06.060 the

00:50:06.200 country

00:50:06.440 that

00:50:06.640 does

00:50:06.860 not

00:50:07.020 have

00:50:07.300 security

00:50:08.420 guarantees

00:50:08.980 I mean

00:50:10.460 that's a

00:50:10.840 very good

00:50:11.200 point

00:50:11.520 that's a

00:50:12.120 very good

00:50:12.480 point

00:50:12.760 and it

00:50:13.180 what it

00:50:14.500 illuminates

00:50:15.400 Andrei

00:50:16.020 is to

00:50:16.720 me

00:50:16.980 listening

00:50:17.440 to what

00:50:17.820 you're

00:50:18.040 saying

00:50:18.460 I

00:50:20.660 is

00:50:21.840 you

00:50:22.080 is this

00:50:22.700 the end

00:50:22.960 of Ukraine

00:50:23.480 then

00:50:23.720 is this

00:50:24.120 inevitable

00:50:24.560 do you

00:50:24.980 think

00:50:25.300 let me

00:50:28.120 answer

00:50:28.500 to your

00:50:29.200 question

00:50:29.500 with

00:50:29.740 kind

00:50:30.100 of

00:50:30.240 the

00:50:30.520 kind

00:50:31.360 of

00:50:31.520 another

00:50:31.880 question

00:50:32.400 to

00:50:32.600 you

00:50:32.820 or

00:50:32.960 just

00:50:33.160 in

00:50:34.160 1948

00:50:35.500 on

00:50:37.860 May

00:50:38.080 14th

00:50:38.600 if I'm

00:50:38.900 not

00:50:39.060 mistaken

00:50:39.440 there

00:50:39.660 was a

00:50:40.160 proclamation

00:50:40.760 of

00:50:41.060 independence

00:50:41.480 of

00:50:41.760 Israel

00:50:42.160 immediately

00:50:43.900 armies of

00:50:44.980 five countries

00:50:45.700 intervened into

00:50:46.840 Israel

00:50:47.180 with very

00:50:47.940 clear

00:50:48.320 goal

00:50:48.860 it has

00:50:49.400 been

00:50:49.560 pronounced

00:50:50.020 destruction

00:50:51.340 of Israel

00:50:51.920 and physical

00:50:53.320 elimination

00:50:53.780 of Jews

00:50:54.400 and their

00:50:54.940 territory

00:50:55.340 to push

00:50:57.060 them into

00:50:57.560 the sea

00:50:57.960 we all

00:50:58.700 know

00:50:58.880 and Israel

00:51:00.640 was alone

00:51:01.200 Israel

00:51:02.780 was not

00:51:03.180 a member

00:51:03.420 of NATO

00:51:03.780 and still

00:51:04.340 not a member

00:51:04.780 of NATO

00:51:05.140 there was

00:51:05.600 no

00:51:05.900 allies

00:51:06.620 and for

00:51:08.340 Israelis

00:51:09.060 there was

00:51:09.680 no way

00:51:10.160 how to

00:51:10.560 fight

00:51:10.760 back

00:51:11.060 just

00:51:11.680 only one

00:51:12.240 way

00:51:12.520 because

00:51:13.140 it's a

00:51:13.500 way

00:51:13.700 for

00:51:13.920 survival

00:51:14.360 and

00:51:15.540 they

00:51:16.220 are

00:51:16.420 still

00:51:16.700 in the

00:51:17.040 same

00:51:17.200 position

00:51:17.600 for

00:51:18.220 almost

00:51:18.600 80

00:51:18.920 years

00:51:19.160 in a

00:51:19.400 row

00:51:19.580 and

00:51:20.200 they

00:51:20.320 have

00:51:20.460 regular

00:51:20.900 attacks

00:51:21.300 on

00:51:21.500 them

00:51:21.720 recently

00:51:23.000 we all

00:51:24.020 know

00:51:24.280 this

00:51:24.540 October

00:51:24.920 7th

00:51:25.400 and after

00:51:25.980 that

00:51:26.300 just

00:51:26.700 from

00:51:27.040 Hamas

00:51:27.420 and from

00:51:27.840 Hezbollah

00:51:28.500 and from

00:51:28.900 Houthis

00:51:29.280 and from

00:51:29.620 Iran

00:51:29.900 and so

00:51:30.260 and they're

00:51:31.060 fighting for

00:51:31.560 their survival

00:51:32.200 so

00:51:33.580 but back

00:51:35.380 then in

00:51:35.780 1948

00:51:36.380 somebody would

00:51:37.380 say okay

00:51:37.740 is it

00:51:38.080 end of

00:51:38.440 Israel

00:51:38.720 yes

00:51:40.320 maybe

00:51:40.620 they

00:51:40.920 already

00:51:41.300 decided

00:51:41.720 but

00:51:41.940 Gold

00:51:42.240 Amir

00:51:42.620 told

00:51:43.600 his

00:51:44.440 American

00:51:44.940 colleagues

00:51:45.320 when he

00:51:45.720 was

00:51:45.920 she was

00:51:46.480 traveling

00:51:46.820 through

00:51:47.160 the

00:51:47.300 United

00:51:47.500 States

00:51:47.760 collecting

00:51:48.120 money

00:51:48.420 for

00:51:48.720 defense

00:51:49.440 of

00:51:49.680 Ukraine

00:51:50.040 for

00:51:50.780 Israel

00:51:51.300 good

00:51:51.920 if you

00:51:52.480 give

00:51:52.740 us

00:51:53.220 money

00:51:53.520 we

00:51:54.040 will

00:51:54.300 use

00:51:54.680 this

00:51:54.880 money

00:51:55.100 to

00:51:55.280 defend

00:51:55.580 ourselves

00:51:56.080 if

00:51:56.720 you

00:51:56.900 would

00:51:57.120 not

00:51:57.360 give

00:51:57.620 us

00:51:57.920 money

00:51:58.240 we

00:51:58.820 will

00:51:59.000 defend

00:51:59.400 ourselves

00:52:00.180 even

00:52:00.980 with our

00:52:01.440 fists

00:52:01.860 without

00:52:02.500 weapons

00:52:03.180 but we

00:52:03.980 will never

00:52:04.340 surrender

00:52:04.820 actually he

00:52:06.000 borrowed this

00:52:06.420 phrase from

00:52:06.880 Winston

00:52:07.440 Churchill

00:52:07.860 former

00:52:09.380 United

00:52:10.620 Kingdom

00:52:11.120 prime minister

00:52:12.220 who said

00:52:12.660 in the

00:52:13.040 darkest

00:52:13.420 hour

00:52:13.960 back in

00:52:15.060 June

00:52:15.260 1940

00:52:15.880 we

00:52:16.780 will

00:52:17.000 fight

00:52:17.440 on the

00:52:18.800 sea

00:52:19.020 we

00:52:19.240 fight

00:52:19.920 on

00:52:20.340 dunes

00:52:20.980 we

00:52:21.620 will

00:52:22.220 we

00:52:22.520 will

00:52:22.700 fight

00:52:23.020 everywhere

00:52:24.060 and

00:52:25.180 even

00:52:25.580 in

00:52:25.880 this

00:52:26.160 how I

00:52:28.560 would

00:52:28.680 say

00:52:28.900 almost

00:52:29.580 inconceivable

00:52:31.060 case that

00:52:31.720 we would

00:52:32.220 need to

00:52:32.680 evacuate

00:52:33.300 islands

00:52:34.100 meaning

00:52:34.380 probably

00:52:34.860 the

00:52:35.300 royal

00:52:35.960 family

00:52:36.420 maybe

00:52:36.780 general

00:52:37.300 staff

00:52:37.600 maybe

00:52:37.840 army

00:52:38.280 probably

00:52:38.860 to

00:52:39.120 Canada

00:52:39.420 from

00:52:39.660 the

00:52:39.840 islands

00:52:40.120 we

00:52:40.840 would

00:52:41.080 never

00:52:41.400 stop

00:52:41.860 to

00:52:42.080 fight

00:52:42.460 we

00:52:43.580 will

00:52:43.760 fight

00:52:44.200 until

00:52:44.820 we

00:52:45.500 will

00:52:46.000 win

00:52:46.460 we

00:52:47.080 will

00:52:47.340 we

00:52:47.840 shall

00:52:48.020 never

00:52:48.300 surrender

00:52:48.800 what

00:52:50.440 Mr.

00:52:50.900 Churchill

00:52:51.160 said

00:52:51.520 back in

00:52:52.020 1940

00:52:52.560 what

00:52:52.820 Gold

00:52:53.060 Emerald

00:52:53.340 said

00:52:53.700 in

00:52:54.640 the

00:52:54.900 late

00:52:55.280 40s

00:52:55.760 there

00:52:56.600 is

00:52:56.740 only

00:52:57.020 one

00:52:57.280 way

00:52:57.480 for

00:52:57.660 Ukrainians

00:52:58.200 to

00:52:58.500 fight

00:52:58.900 and

00:53:00.400 they

00:53:00.660 should

00:53:01.200 never

00:53:01.500 surrender

00:53:01.940 because

00:53:02.300 if

00:53:02.600 they

00:53:02.780 surrender

00:53:03.200 they

00:53:03.820 will

00:53:03.980 be

00:53:04.140 subjugated

00:53:04.700 there

00:53:04.880 will

00:53:05.000 be

00:53:05.140 genocide

00:53:05.520 for

00:53:06.560 patriotic

00:53:07.200 people

00:53:07.560 of

00:53:07.840 Ukraine

00:53:08.260 as

00:53:08.880 it

00:53:09.020 has

00:53:09.180 been

00:53:09.320 done

00:53:09.580 in

00:53:09.840 the

00:53:09.940 western

00:53:10.160 Ukraine

00:53:10.600 after

00:53:11.440 second

00:53:11.760 world

00:53:12.060 war

00:53:12.340 with

00:53:12.900 all

00:53:13.140 those

00:53:13.400 fighters

00:53:13.800 by

00:53:15.120 Soviet

00:53:15.640 troops

00:53:15.960 by

00:53:16.220 communist

00:53:16.560 troops

00:53:16.800 by

00:53:17.040 NKVD

00:53:17.720 10%

00:53:18.680 of

00:53:19.100 western

00:53:20.100 Ukrainian

00:53:20.520 population

00:53:21.680 have been

00:53:22.120 killed

00:53:22.380 10%

00:53:23.740 you know

00:53:24.840 who

00:53:25.240 most

00:53:26.280 what is

00:53:27.500 the

00:53:27.660 highest

00:53:28.060 ratio

00:53:28.620 of

00:53:29.280 people

00:53:29.560 being

00:53:29.840 killed

00:53:30.080 during

00:53:30.340 these

00:53:30.580 years

00:53:30.980 of

00:53:31.420 full

00:53:31.700 scale

00:53:32.020 aggression

00:53:33.320 of

00:53:33.820 Putin

00:53:34.060 against

00:53:34.380 Ukraine

00:53:34.720 no

00:53:35.180 we

00:53:36.600 have

00:53:36.780 a

00:53:36.960 statistic

00:53:37.620 certainly

00:53:37.940 it's

00:53:38.120 not

00:53:38.280 full

00:53:38.520 some

00:53:39.040 kind

00:53:39.260 of

00:53:39.360 estimates

00:53:39.760 but

00:53:39.940 several

00:53:40.400 organizations

00:53:41.940 are doing

00:53:42.420 this

00:53:42.640 research

00:53:43.000 BBC

00:53:43.740 Meduza

00:53:44.540 Mediazone

00:53:46.220 some

00:53:46.700 other

00:53:46.940 there is

00:53:47.500 estimation

00:53:47.980 for

00:53:48.320 different

00:53:48.780 regions

00:53:49.140 of

00:53:49.320 Russia

00:53:49.600 and

00:53:50.560 we

00:53:50.700 know

00:53:50.980 that

00:53:51.540 is

00:53:51.720 fact

00:53:52.100 of

00:53:52.260 life

00:53:52.520 that

00:53:52.820 the

00:53:52.980 highest

00:53:53.400 the

00:53:53.960 lowest

00:53:54.500 rate

00:53:55.220 of

00:53:55.620 conscription

00:53:56.360 and

00:53:56.820 certainly

00:53:57.020 being

00:53:57.320 killed

00:53:57.680 among

00:53:58.960 Moscovites

00:53:59.680 among

00:54:00.460 people from

00:54:00.980 St.

00:54:01.240 Petersburg

00:54:01.460 and

00:54:01.780 from

00:54:01.960 Chechnya

00:54:02.660 Chechnya

00:54:03.500 Republic

00:54:03.860 because

00:54:04.480 it's

00:54:04.660 a

00:54:04.760 favorite

00:54:05.040 regions

00:54:05.400 of

00:54:05.600 Mr.

00:54:05.840 Putin

00:54:06.200 certainly

00:54:06.840 Moscow

00:54:07.180 and

00:54:07.400 St.

00:54:07.540 Petersburg

00:54:07.780 just

00:54:08.420 to

00:54:08.640 preserve

00:54:09.180 the

00:54:09.840 political

00:54:10.140 stability

00:54:10.680 in the

00:54:11.000 capitals

00:54:11.420 and

00:54:11.960 Chechnya

00:54:12.280 because

00:54:12.560 of

00:54:12.760 his

00:54:12.940 special

00:54:13.240 relations

00:54:13.700 with

00:54:14.100 this

00:54:14.440 Lord

00:54:15.400 Kadirov

00:54:16.700 in

00:54:16.980 Chechnya

00:54:17.420 Republic

00:54:19.140 so

00:54:20.180 but

00:54:20.340 the

00:54:20.460 highest

00:54:20.760 rate

00:54:21.120 of

00:54:21.420 people

00:54:21.800 being

00:54:22.060 conscripted

00:54:22.760 and

00:54:23.280 been

00:54:23.460 killed

00:54:23.700 in

00:54:24.020 ethnic

00:54:24.340 regions

00:54:24.720 of

00:54:24.920 Russia

00:54:25.300 like

00:54:25.740 Buretia

00:54:26.360 or

00:54:27.320 some

00:54:27.660 Daghestan

00:54:28.280 or

00:54:28.400 some

00:54:28.580 other

00:54:28.820 or

00:54:29.420 some

00:54:29.640 poor

00:54:29.880 Russian

00:54:30.240 regions

00:54:30.680 because

00:54:31.420 the

00:54:31.620 political

00:54:32.260 weight

00:54:33.040 of

00:54:33.280 which

00:54:33.480 is

00:54:33.820 not

00:54:35.320 very

00:54:35.780 substantial

00:54:36.300 but

00:54:38.460 the

00:54:39.340 highest

00:54:39.740 rate

00:54:40.260 of

00:54:40.600 people

00:54:41.200 being

00:54:41.480 conscripted

00:54:42.120 and

00:54:42.260 been

00:54:42.440 killed

00:54:42.700 not

00:54:43.100 there

00:54:43.420 not

00:54:44.040 even

00:54:44.260 Buretia

00:54:44.800 the

00:54:45.800 seven

00:54:46.080 times

00:54:46.420 higher

00:54:46.820 the

00:54:47.040 rate

00:54:47.320 were

00:54:48.240 in

00:54:49.300 same

00:54:49.540 regions

00:54:49.980 that

00:54:50.920 Mr.

00:54:51.280 Zitkov

00:54:51.620 was not

00:54:52.520 able to

00:54:52.960 recall

00:54:53.360 in

00:54:54.300 Luhansk

00:54:54.920 and

00:54:55.300 Donetsk

00:54:55.840 because

00:54:56.840 those

00:54:57.380 Ukrainians

00:54:58.120 who

00:54:58.800 happened

00:54:59.100 to be

00:54:59.480 on

00:54:59.700 occupied

00:55:00.060 territories

00:55:00.640 from

00:55:00.920 year

00:55:01.120 2014

00:55:01.840 occupied

00:55:03.080 by

00:55:03.460 Putin

00:55:03.880 they

00:55:04.920 have

00:55:05.120 been

00:55:05.360 forcefully

00:55:06.100 conscripted

00:55:06.900 to

00:55:07.080 the

00:55:07.380 so-called

00:55:07.800 Russian

00:55:08.160 army

00:55:08.460 or

00:55:08.720 whatever

00:55:09.620 popular

00:55:10.080 militian

00:55:10.980 people's

00:55:11.420 militia

00:55:11.820 whatever

00:55:12.220 and

00:55:12.980 they're

00:55:13.060 now

00:55:13.200 part

00:55:13.440 of

00:55:13.540 the

00:55:13.680 Russian

00:55:13.900 army

00:55:14.200 they

00:55:14.800 have

00:55:15.020 been

00:55:15.280 used

00:55:15.740 as

00:55:16.740 a

00:55:17.120 meat

00:55:18.120 for

00:55:18.380 or

00:55:18.560 whatever

00:55:18.740 meat

00:55:19.500 grinder

00:55:19.860 cannon

00:55:20.920 against

00:55:21.720 Ukrainians

00:55:24.560 and

00:55:25.560 the

00:55:25.780 rate

00:55:26.340 of

00:55:26.800 people

00:55:27.820 being

00:55:28.200 killed

00:55:28.600 seven

00:55:29.140 times

00:55:29.580 higher

00:55:30.060 than

00:55:30.500 in

00:55:30.800 the

00:55:31.000 worst

00:55:31.300 Russian

00:55:31.840 region

00:55:32.220 so

00:55:33.420 that

00:55:33.840 gives

00:55:34.400 everybody

00:55:35.220 indication

00:55:36.340 what

00:55:36.680 would

00:55:36.860 happen

00:55:37.240 to

00:55:38.040 Ukrainians

00:55:38.860 who

00:55:39.720 would

00:55:40.040 decide

00:55:40.540 or

00:55:40.980 it's

00:55:41.580 so

00:55:41.720 many

00:55:42.060 Ukrainian

00:55:43.180 soldiers

00:55:43.580 being

00:55:43.860 killed

00:55:44.200 that is

00:55:44.880 why

00:55:45.020 we

00:55:45.180 cannot

00:55:45.520 tolerate

00:55:46.520 anymore

00:55:46.900 we need

00:55:47.360 to have

00:55:47.660 some

00:55:47.840 kind

00:55:48.020 of

00:55:48.180 peace

00:55:48.480 or

00:55:48.740 ceasefire

00:55:49.540 let's

00:55:50.000 have

00:55:50.340 a

00:55:50.580 peace

00:55:50.940 with

00:55:51.200 Putin

00:55:51.500 okay

00:55:52.060 this

00:55:52.820 territory

00:55:53.180 will

00:55:53.700 be

00:55:53.860 taken

00:55:54.100 by

00:55:54.380 Putin

00:55:54.640 and

00:55:55.100 those

00:55:55.360 people

00:55:55.680 will

00:55:55.880 be

00:55:56.060 conscripted

00:55:56.720 and

00:55:56.920 be

00:55:57.360 used

00:55:57.760 against

00:55:58.700 either

00:55:59.000 Ukrainians

00:55:59.520 or

00:55:59.720 Europeans

00:56:00.220 that's

00:56:01.420 a

00:56:01.560 tradition

00:56:02.280 this

00:56:02.580 is

00:56:02.700 the

00:56:02.840 technology

00:56:03.360 of

00:56:03.700 imperial

00:56:04.100 power

00:56:04.500 to

00:56:06.120 conquer

00:56:06.720 the

00:56:07.320 new

00:56:07.520 territory

00:56:07.980 to

00:56:08.740 conscript

00:56:09.200 these

00:56:09.460 people

00:56:09.760 from

00:56:09.980 this

00:56:10.180 territory

00:56:10.480 and

00:56:10.740 to

00:56:10.880 use

00:56:11.100 this

00:56:11.260 for

00:56:11.420 new

00:56:11.660 imperial

00:56:12.120 aggressions

00:56:12.800 and

00:56:13.360 for

00:56:14.000 new

00:56:14.560 conquest

00:56:15.200 that's

00:56:16.080 exactly

00:56:16.400 what

00:56:16.600 has

00:56:16.780 been

00:56:16.980 used

00:56:17.300 by

00:56:17.560 the

00:56:17.760 Russian

00:56:18.040 empire

00:56:18.480 through

00:56:19.200 the

00:56:19.360 whole

00:56:19.540 history

00:56:19.960 that's

00:56:20.520 exactly

00:56:20.820 what

00:56:21.000 has

00:56:21.180 been

00:56:21.380 done

00:56:21.920 by

00:56:22.280 Stalin's

00:56:24.680 regime

00:56:24.980 when

00:56:25.580 Stalin

00:56:25.920 attacked

00:56:27.000 Poland

00:56:27.500 Eastern

00:56:28.320 Poland

00:56:28.600 in

00:56:28.800 1939

00:56:29.360 and

00:56:29.820 occupied

00:56:30.320 so-called

00:56:31.480 Western

00:56:31.800 Ukraine

00:56:32.240 and

00:56:32.480 Western

00:56:32.840 Belarus

00:56:33.560 those

00:56:34.480 people

00:56:34.780 who

00:56:34.980 lived

00:56:35.220 there

00:56:35.600 they

00:56:35.900 had

00:56:36.080 been

00:56:36.220 immediately

00:56:36.620 conscripted

00:56:37.240 into

00:56:37.460 the

00:56:37.800 Red

00:56:38.780 Army

00:56:39.180 and

00:56:39.580 they

00:56:39.720 have

00:56:39.920 been

00:56:40.100 used

00:56:40.400 as

00:56:40.660 a

00:56:41.800 cannon

00:56:42.360 fodder

00:56:42.720 exactly

00:56:44.040 and

00:56:44.780 the

00:56:44.940 first

00:56:45.180 one

00:56:45.480 was

00:56:46.240 in

00:56:46.840 Soviet

00:56:47.140 Finnish

00:56:47.520 war

00:56:47.860 the

00:56:48.200 so-called

00:56:48.500 Winter

00:56:48.820 War

00:56:49.140 in

00:56:49.900 1939

00:56:50.560 1940

00:56:51.240 the

00:56:51.620 heaviest

00:56:52.400 losses

00:56:52.880 were

00:56:53.840 for

00:56:54.220 divisions

00:56:55.680 formed

00:56:56.240 from

00:56:56.480 Ukrainians

00:56:57.120 in

00:56:58.220 the

00:56:58.360 western

00:56:58.560 part

00:56:58.820 of

00:56:58.920 the

00:56:59.040 country

00:56:59.320 immediately

00:57:00.080 so

00:57:01.500 that

00:57:01.680 is

00:57:01.800 why

00:57:02.000 now

00:57:02.520 those

00:57:03.000 who

00:57:03.260 are

00:57:03.620 so

00:57:04.100 calling

00:57:04.540 for

00:57:04.800 okay

00:57:05.060 let's

00:57:05.360 have

00:57:05.520 ceasefire

00:57:06.000 because

00:57:06.320 we need

00:57:07.060 to keep

00:57:07.420 Ukrainians

00:57:08.020 from

00:57:08.380 being

00:57:08.780 killed

00:57:09.100 this

00:57:09.860 is

00:57:10.000 an

00:57:10.180 invitation

00:57:10.540 to

00:57:10.940 kill

00:57:12.000 Ukrainians

00:57:12.820 at

00:57:13.360 much

00:57:13.720 higher

00:57:14.160 industrial

00:57:15.100 scale

00:57:15.620 incomparably

00:57:17.200 higher

00:57:17.580 than it

00:57:17.980 is

00:57:18.120 today

00:57:18.420 so

00:57:19.000 right

00:57:19.800 now

00:57:20.160 the

00:57:20.440 armed

00:57:20.760 forces

00:57:21.020 of

00:57:21.240 Ukraine

00:57:21.620 is

00:57:21.940 the

00:57:22.140 only

00:57:22.500 available

00:57:23.300 security

00:57:24.340 guarantee

00:57:24.860 for

00:57:26.280 Ukraine

00:57:26.660 itself

00:57:27.060 for

00:57:27.660 Ukrainian

00:57:28.320 civilian

00:57:28.960 population

00:57:29.660 this is

00:57:30.160 the only

00:57:30.480 one

00:57:30.820 so

00:57:31.880 the

00:57:32.180 Ukrainian

00:57:32.680 leadership

00:57:33.540 whatever

00:57:33.920 Zelensky

00:57:34.540 whoever

00:57:34.940 they're talking

00:57:35.680 about some

00:57:36.280 additional security

00:57:37.320 guarantees

00:57:37.660 like

00:57:37.960 NATO

00:57:38.880 membership

00:57:39.380 or military

00:57:39.960 alliance

00:57:40.480 or whatever

00:57:41.120 long-term

00:57:42.220 missiles

00:57:43.180 or

00:57:43.760 let's

00:57:44.680 say

00:57:44.940 the

00:57:45.760 weapon

00:57:49.200 that

00:57:49.440 have

00:57:49.640 been

00:57:49.920 taken

00:57:50.700 from

00:57:51.060 Ukraine

00:57:51.460 in

00:57:51.720 1994

00:57:52.360 due

00:57:53.280 to

00:57:53.460 Budapest

00:57:53.860 memorandum

00:57:54.500 but that

00:57:55.780 was a

00:57:56.160 deterrent

00:57:56.820 that was

00:57:57.380 a security

00:57:57.900 guarantee

00:57:58.460 against

00:57:59.620 aggression

00:58:00.180 if there

00:58:01.000 is no

00:58:01.340 such

00:58:01.600 security

00:58:02.020 guarantees

00:58:02.840 that is

00:58:03.500 why

00:58:03.780 the only

00:58:04.520 one

00:58:04.940 security

00:58:05.420 guarantee

00:58:05.880 left

00:58:07.300 for

00:58:07.800 Ukrainians

00:58:08.280 is

00:58:08.520 armed

00:58:08.800 forces

00:58:09.040 of

00:58:09.260 Ukraine

00:58:09.600 and

00:58:10.260 Putin

00:58:10.500 understand

00:58:10.900 this

00:58:11.200 very

00:58:11.420 well

00:58:11.720 that

00:58:12.020 is

00:58:12.140 why

00:58:12.400 his

00:58:13.140 idea

00:58:13.660 is

00:58:14.000 to

00:58:14.180 destroy

00:58:14.760 army

00:58:16.000 of

00:58:16.400 Ukraine

00:58:16.700 that

00:58:16.920 is

00:58:17.040 why

00:58:17.200 he's

00:58:17.480 talking

00:58:17.700 about

00:58:18.120 the

00:58:18.460 stop

00:58:19.020 of

00:58:19.180 military

00:58:19.480 aid

00:58:19.800 stop

00:58:20.420 of

00:58:20.780 flow

00:58:21.200 of

00:58:21.580 intelligence

00:58:22.080 information

00:58:22.640 stop

00:58:23.300 of

00:58:23.580 all

00:58:23.860 efforts

00:58:24.220 to

00:58:24.540 fill

00:58:25.360 the

00:58:26.220 ranks

00:58:26.500 of

00:58:26.760 the

00:58:26.900 armed

00:58:27.120 forces

00:58:27.340 of

00:58:27.560 Ukraine

00:58:27.840 so

00:58:28.360 Putin

00:58:28.800 is

00:58:29.000 smart

00:58:29.300 compared

00:58:29.860 to

00:58:30.320 his

00:58:31.280 partners

00:58:31.720 from

00:58:32.100 the

00:58:32.280 other

00:58:32.440 side

00:58:32.680 I

00:58:33.020 take

00:58:33.580 your

00:58:33.780 point

00:58:34.040 so

00:58:34.440 I

00:58:35.140 guess

00:58:35.380 the

00:58:35.580 question

00:58:35.920 is

00:58:36.220 Andre

00:58:36.580 what

00:58:38.740 are we

00:58:38.920 meant

00:58:39.100 to

00:58:39.240 do

00:58:39.700 if

00:58:40.640 it

00:58:41.640 was

00:58:41.800 up

00:58:41.980 to

00:58:42.120 you

00:58:42.340 what

00:58:42.800 would

00:58:42.980 be

00:58:43.140 done

00:58:43.440 it's

00:58:45.080 up

00:58:45.240 to

00:58:45.360 me

00:58:45.580 who

00:58:46.400 I

00:58:46.560 am

00:58:46.780 this

00:58:47.700 is

00:58:48.300 why

00:58:48.840 I

00:58:49.020 was

00:58:49.160 going

00:58:49.320 to

00:58:49.680 flesh

00:58:50.380 out

00:58:50.580 France's

00:58:50.940 question

00:58:51.200 a little

00:58:51.460 bit

00:58:51.700 I

00:58:52.300 think

00:58:52.620 we

00:58:53.220 should

00:58:53.420 all

00:58:53.600 accept

00:58:54.060 whether

00:58:54.360 we

00:58:54.540 like

00:58:54.780 it

00:58:54.900 or

00:58:55.020 not

00:58:55.180 that

00:58:55.340 elections

00:58:55.680 have

00:58:55.920 consequences

00:58:56.540 the

00:58:57.140 president

00:58:57.460 of the

00:58:57.640 United

00:58:57.820 States

00:58:58.120 is

00:58:58.280 President

00:58:58.560 Trump

00:58:58.900 that's

00:58:59.500 not

00:58:59.620 going

00:58:59.720 to

00:58:59.820 change

00:59:00.060 the

00:59:00.220 vice

00:59:00.400 president

00:59:00.720 J.D.

00:59:01.140 Vance

00:59:01.340 that's

00:59:01.500 not

00:59:01.640 going

00:59:01.760 to

00:59:01.880 change

00:59:02.180 I

00:59:02.620 imagine

00:59:02.980 none

00:59:03.220 of

00:59:03.340 the

00:59:03.440 other

00:59:03.600 people

00:59:03.900 around

00:59:04.180 are

00:59:04.300 going

00:59:04.400 to

00:59:04.480 change

00:59:04.720 so

00:59:04.840 this

00:59:05.020 policy

00:59:05.520 of

00:59:05.860 America

00:59:06.200 will

00:59:06.460 continue

00:59:06.920 the

00:59:07.780 only

00:59:08.060 question

00:59:08.480 therefore

00:59:08.840 remains

00:59:09.360 is

00:59:09.920 actually

00:59:10.380 based on

00:59:11.140 what

00:59:11.300 you're

00:59:11.500 saying

00:59:11.820 what

00:59:12.160 does

00:59:12.320 Europe

00:59:12.540 do

00:59:12.760 about

00:59:12.980 this

00:59:13.260 exactly

00:59:14.120 because

00:59:15.100 now

00:59:15.400 it's

00:59:15.580 absolutely

00:59:15.880 clear

00:59:16.260 that

00:59:16.680 in

00:59:17.560 this

00:59:17.860 new

00:59:18.260 geopolitical

00:59:19.180 environment

00:59:19.600 this

00:59:19.860 is

00:59:20.000 absolutely

00:59:20.380 this

00:59:20.660 tectonical

00:59:21.200 shift

00:59:21.560 it's

00:59:21.840 not

00:59:22.000 even

00:59:22.220 the

00:59:22.500 volcano

00:59:23.120 eruption

00:59:23.460 this

00:59:23.720 is

00:59:23.840 earthquake

00:59:24.400 in

00:59:25.060 international

00:59:25.740 relations

00:59:26.620 security

00:59:27.340 entourage

00:59:28.980 whatever

00:59:29.260 just

00:59:29.640 something

00:59:30.160 that

00:59:30.480 we

00:59:31.060 did

00:59:31.280 not

00:59:31.440 have

00:59:31.640 for

00:59:31.840 last

00:59:32.200 80

00:59:32.520 years

00:59:32.840 actually

00:59:33.800 from

00:59:34.160 even

00:59:34.420 longer

00:59:34.900 from

00:59:35.160 the

00:59:35.500 signing

00:59:36.120 Atlantic

00:59:36.600 Charter

00:59:37.260 by

00:59:38.020 Churchill

00:59:38.580 and

00:59:38.940 Roosevelt

00:59:39.760 back

00:59:40.300 in

00:59:40.520 August

00:59:40.900 1941

00:59:41.760 so

00:59:42.580 that

00:59:42.780 is

00:59:42.920 why

00:59:43.180 it's

00:59:43.620 absolutely

00:59:44.000 clear

00:59:44.380 that

00:59:44.800 Europe

00:59:45.400 is

00:59:45.700 alone

00:59:46.120 without

00:59:46.560 the

00:59:46.780 United

00:59:47.000 States

00:59:47.340 so

00:59:47.880 that

00:59:48.060 is

00:59:48.180 why

00:59:48.360 Europe

00:59:48.880 must

00:59:49.320 decide

00:59:49.740 so

00:59:50.540 whether

00:59:50.820 Europe

00:59:51.320 will

00:59:51.680 try

00:59:52.280 to

00:59:52.520 defend

00:59:52.900 itself

00:59:53.480 including

00:59:54.220 Ukraine

00:59:55.320 because

00:59:56.140 it's

00:59:56.340 part

00:59:56.560 of

00:59:56.700 Europe

00:59:57.660 and

00:59:58.160 actually

00:59:58.480 with

00:59:58.820 the

00:59:58.980 largest

00:59:59.280 strongest

00:59:59.860 the

01:00:00.380 most

01:00:00.600 powerful

01:00:00.980 army

01:00:01.360 on the

01:00:01.680 continent

01:00:02.060 or

01:00:02.980 not

01:00:03.260 if

01:00:04.240 not

01:00:04.600 it

01:00:05.300 means

01:00:05.580 that

01:00:05.940 immediately

01:00:06.500 Europe

01:00:07.020 will

01:00:07.260 find

01:00:07.680 itself

01:00:08.320 in

01:00:08.980 much

01:00:09.360 much

01:00:09.700 weaker

01:00:10.280 position

01:00:10.760 once

01:00:11.800 again

01:00:12.000 we are

01:00:12.240 talking

01:00:12.460 about

01:00:12.780 this

01:00:13.040 much

01:00:13.300 more

01:00:13.560 powerful

01:00:14.380 army

01:00:14.800 on the

01:00:15.100 east

01:00:15.340 with

01:00:15.960 readiness

01:00:16.560 to

01:00:16.860 attack

01:00:17.160 anyone

01:00:17.640 from the

01:00:18.220 Baltic

01:00:18.520 countries

01:00:18.900 whatever

01:00:19.700 until the

01:00:20.240 whatever

01:00:20.440 97

01:00:20.840 division line

01:00:22.020 or whatever

01:00:22.440 just without

01:00:23.880 any resources

01:00:24.580 that Europe

01:00:25.560 can provide

01:00:26.660 to defend

01:00:27.400 to defend

01:00:27.420 itself

01:00:27.680 to defend

01:00:28.300 themselves

01:00:29.840 look

01:00:31.240 nuclear

01:00:32.940 weapons

01:00:33.300 is a

01:00:33.600 very

01:00:33.740 important

01:00:34.100 stuff

01:00:34.480 but

01:00:34.820 first of

01:00:35.280 all

01:00:35.400 there are

01:00:35.620 only two

01:00:35.980 countries

01:00:36.400 now

01:00:36.860 Britain

01:00:37.300 and

01:00:37.700 France

01:00:38.080 and

01:00:38.660 the

01:00:38.960 number

01:00:39.340 of

01:00:39.600 those

01:00:40.000 assets

01:00:40.800 is

01:00:41.200 smaller

01:00:41.700 than

01:00:42.620 Russia

01:00:42.980 has

01:00:43.340 its

01:00:43.600 one

01:00:43.940 second

01:00:44.860 it

01:00:46.040 means

01:00:46.400 it

01:00:46.700 immediately

01:00:47.360 poses

01:00:47.860 the

01:00:48.080 question

01:00:48.420 about

01:00:48.800 the

01:00:49.180 spreading

01:00:49.920 of

01:00:50.500 nuclear

01:00:50.920 weapons

01:00:51.280 around

01:00:51.540 the

01:00:51.700 world

01:00:51.940 because

01:00:52.800 in

01:00:53.160 this

01:00:53.420 new

01:00:53.600 situation

01:00:53.940 because

01:00:54.300 the

01:00:54.480 budapest

01:00:54.860 memorandum

01:00:55.420 was

01:00:55.640 an

01:00:55.900 instrument

01:00:56.840 that

01:00:57.440 could

01:00:57.680 show

01:00:58.020 to

01:00:58.240 the

01:00:58.440 rest

01:00:58.660 of

01:00:58.780 the

01:00:58.960 world

01:00:59.260 that

01:00:59.640 it

01:00:59.780 is

01:00:59.940 possible

01:01:00.260 to

01:01:00.480 have

01:01:00.680 international

01:01:01.300 whatever

01:01:02.320 agreements

01:01:03.120 that

01:01:03.980 countries

01:01:04.720 would not

01:01:05.380 acquire

01:01:06.040 nuclear

01:01:06.560 weapons

01:01:07.060 and

01:01:07.740 at the

01:01:08.560 same

01:01:08.780 time

01:01:09.160 won't

01:01:10.040 be

01:01:10.240 attacked

01:01:10.680 this

01:01:12.580 experiment

01:01:13.220 failed

01:01:13.740 dramatically

01:01:15.100 openly

01:01:15.940 that

01:01:17.260 the

01:01:17.720 only

01:01:18.060 lesson

01:01:18.560 that

01:01:19.180 anyone

01:01:19.640 could

01:01:20.320 learn

01:01:20.600 from

01:01:20.800 this

01:01:21.020 experience

01:01:21.520 that

01:01:22.140 it

01:01:22.300 is

01:01:22.500 absolute

01:01:23.100 necessity

01:01:23.700 to

01:01:24.140 acquire

01:01:24.560 nuclear

01:01:25.140 weapons

01:01:25.620 this

01:01:26.240 is

01:01:26.380 only

01:01:26.820 deterrent

01:01:27.580 that

01:01:28.120 can

01:01:28.340 be

01:01:28.560 used

01:01:28.860 from

01:01:29.140 any

01:01:29.460 potential

01:01:29.860 aggression

01:01:30.280 i've

01:01:30.600 made

01:01:30.760 this

01:01:30.960 point

01:01:31.240 so

01:01:31.580 that

01:01:31.900 is

01:01:32.040 why

01:01:32.300 ukraine

01:01:33.100 poland

01:01:33.960 germany

01:01:34.740 turkey

01:01:35.300 iran

01:01:35.960 uh

01:01:37.100 south

01:01:37.660 korea

01:01:38.160 taiwan

01:01:38.660 uh

01:01:39.400 many

01:01:39.660 other

01:01:39.880 countries

01:01:40.240 that

01:01:40.420 come on

01:01:41.360 if

01:01:42.320 those

01:01:42.980 international

01:01:43.520 institutions

01:01:44.340 are

01:01:44.680 irrelevant

01:01:45.460 and

01:01:46.180 became

01:01:46.740 irrelevant

01:01:47.360 because

01:01:47.940 the

01:01:48.740 big

01:01:49.380 the

01:01:50.080 great

01:01:50.740 powers

01:01:51.400 like

01:01:51.700 the

01:01:51.840 united

01:01:52.120 states

01:01:52.660 first of

01:01:54.140 the

01:01:54.340 united

01:01:54.640 states

01:01:55.140 just

01:01:55.860 made

01:01:56.320 them

01:01:56.660 irrelevant

01:01:57.320 so

01:01:57.720 the

01:01:58.180 only

01:01:58.380 way

01:01:58.640 how

01:01:58.840 can

01:01:59.060 we

01:01:59.240 defend

01:01:59.880 ourselves

01:02:00.200 is

01:02:00.600 just

01:02:00.880 to

01:02:01.020 acquire

01:02:01.360 nuclear

01:02:01.680 weapons

01:02:02.040 so

01:02:02.560 that

01:02:02.760 is

01:02:02.920 why

01:02:03.180 this

01:02:03.600 is

01:02:03.760 the

01:02:03.980 strongest

01:02:04.820 argument

01:02:05.620 for

01:02:06.700 spreading

01:02:08.200 nuclear

01:02:08.920 weapons

01:02:09.260 around

01:02:09.480 the world

01:02:09.760 i agree

01:02:10.080 i made

01:02:10.440 this point

01:02:10.840 recently

01:02:11.280 and i

01:02:11.520 think

01:02:11.660 it's

01:02:11.820 actually

01:02:12.100 an

01:02:12.300 incredibly

01:02:12.660 obvious

01:02:13.080 point

01:02:13.420 that

01:02:13.600 no

01:02:13.800 one

01:02:14.020 i

01:02:14.380 other

01:02:14.920 than

01:02:15.120 you

01:02:15.320 and

01:02:15.540 me

01:02:15.700 i've

01:02:15.880 not

01:02:16.080 heard

01:02:16.240 anyone

01:02:16.560 talk

01:02:16.820 about

01:02:17.040 this

01:02:17.240 even

01:02:17.480 though

01:02:17.680 so

01:02:17.900 obvious

01:02:18.240 but

01:02:19.120 nonetheless

01:02:20.060 you're

01:02:20.540 saying

01:02:20.980 if

01:02:21.540 you

01:02:21.880 if

01:02:22.420 the

01:02:22.840 americans

01:02:23.280 let

01:02:23.640 ukraine

01:02:24.280 be

01:02:24.440 subjugated

01:02:25.160 the

01:02:25.400 ukrainians

01:02:25.960 will be

01:02:26.440 added

01:02:26.640 to the

01:02:27.000 russian

01:02:27.240 army

01:02:27.560 and then

01:02:27.900 that

01:02:28.060 army

01:02:28.260 can

01:02:28.420 be

01:02:28.540 used

01:02:28.660 against

01:02:28.900 europe

01:02:29.100 and

01:02:29.260 what

01:02:29.420 i'm

01:02:29.620 saying

01:02:29.860 is

01:02:30.080 european

01:02:30.840 countries

01:02:31.180 have

01:02:31.340 nuclear

01:02:31.620 weapons

01:02:31.960 they

01:02:32.140 can

01:02:32.300 use

01:02:32.500 to

01:02:32.680 deter

01:02:33.000 that

01:02:33.320 that

01:02:34.340 that's

01:02:34.560 the

01:02:35.040 comfort

01:02:35.400 that

01:02:35.640 a lot

01:02:35.880 of

01:02:36.020 europeans

01:02:36.660 will

01:02:37.180 take

01:02:37.640 and

01:02:37.800 they

01:02:37.920 will

01:02:38.020 say

01:02:38.160 we

01:02:38.320 don't

01:02:38.740 need

01:02:38.880 to

01:02:38.980 do

01:02:39.100 anything

01:02:39.440 we've

01:02:40.040 got

01:02:40.180 nuclear

01:02:40.420 weapons

01:02:40.740 britain

01:02:41.020 and

01:02:41.160 france

01:02:41.400 will

01:02:41.540 be

01:02:41.660 fine

01:02:41.880 no

01:02:42.200 it's

01:02:42.760 absolutely

01:02:43.120 necessary

01:02:43.460 that is

01:02:43.960 why i

01:02:44.220 understand

01:02:44.580 that

01:02:44.840 just

01:02:45.180 now

01:02:45.700 brits

01:02:46.460 and french

01:02:46.900 are talking

01:02:47.460 with germans

01:02:48.080 because the

01:02:49.020 very obvious

01:02:50.060 first step

01:02:50.660 is just

01:02:51.080 nuclearization

01:02:52.060 of germany

01:02:52.600 nobody would

01:02:54.040 think about

01:02:54.560 after the

01:02:54.980 second world

01:02:55.460 war

01:02:55.760 and the

01:02:56.960 person who

01:02:58.100 made it

01:02:58.740 possible

01:02:59.220 even just

01:03:00.020 thinking

01:03:00.900 and conversations

01:03:01.680 and i

01:03:02.540 could not

01:03:03.900 exclude that

01:03:04.460 will be

01:03:04.760 actions

01:03:05.160 is just

01:03:05.800 the current

01:03:06.180 u.s

01:03:06.480 administration

01:03:07.000 nuclearization

01:03:08.280 of germany

01:03:08.840 nuclearization

01:03:09.520 of poland

01:03:10.020 nuclearization

01:03:10.700 of ukraine

01:03:11.460 nuclearization

01:03:12.460 of many

01:03:12.760 other

01:03:12.960 countries

01:03:13.240 including

01:03:14.560 nuclearization

01:03:15.720 of iran

01:03:16.360 because what

01:03:17.460 would be

01:03:17.940 the best

01:03:18.560 way to

01:03:19.060 deter

01:03:19.920 anyone

01:03:20.860 including

01:03:21.660 the united

01:03:22.060 states

01:03:22.380 from attacking

01:03:23.000 iran

01:03:23.680 is just

01:03:24.280 nuclear

01:03:24.580 weapons

01:03:24.800 it's a good

01:03:25.100 point

01:03:25.360 well taken

01:03:25.940 but i'm

01:03:26.360 saying

01:03:26.580 something

01:03:26.880 else

01:03:27.160 which is

01:03:27.580 your

01:03:28.000 claim

01:03:28.620 is that

01:03:29.700 if ukraine

01:03:30.420 is forced

01:03:31.620 to sign

01:03:32.220 a ceasefire

01:03:32.800 that leads

01:03:33.220 to subjugation

01:03:34.180 europe will

01:03:35.300 then be

01:03:35.740 attacked

01:03:36.200 and what

01:03:37.100 i'm saying

01:03:37.520 is europeans

01:03:38.400 won't be

01:03:39.220 attacked

01:03:39.600 or at least

01:03:40.020 people will

01:03:40.480 argue europeans

01:03:41.380 won't be

01:03:41.640 attacked

01:03:41.980 because europe

01:03:43.220 has the

01:03:43.720 nuclear deterrent

01:03:44.520 no uh

01:03:46.080 because uh

01:03:46.960 right now

01:03:47.700 the french

01:03:48.680 uh nuclear

01:03:50.500 is being used

01:03:51.420 for defense

01:03:52.180 of france

01:03:52.780 british uh

01:03:54.720 nuclear weapons

01:03:55.420 is just

01:03:56.340 for britain

01:03:57.020 not for

01:03:58.220 uh the

01:03:59.040 whole continent

01:03:59.680 because uh

01:04:00.920 the nuclear

01:04:01.680 deterrent

01:04:02.540 and nuclear

01:04:03.100 umbrella for

01:04:03.920 the whole

01:04:04.280 continent

01:04:04.660 was provided

01:04:05.600 by the

01:04:05.960 united

01:04:06.160 states

01:04:06.560 now

01:04:07.540 only

01:04:08.500 if this

01:04:09.420 umbrella

01:04:09.840 is been

01:04:10.460 taken

01:04:11.060 away

01:04:11.640 so

01:04:12.360 new

01:04:12.760 question

01:04:13.200 appeared

01:04:13.680 who

01:04:14.200 would

01:04:14.760 defend

01:04:15.340 the whole

01:04:16.020 european

01:04:16.660 continent

01:04:17.120 and that

01:04:18.160 is the

01:04:18.440 subject of

01:04:18.920 discussions

01:04:19.380 that going

01:04:20.040 right now

01:04:20.640 everywhere

01:04:21.140 so that is

01:04:22.400 why we don't

01:04:22.920 know what

01:04:23.380 would be

01:04:23.740 the result

01:04:24.160 i cannot

01:04:24.680 exclude

01:04:25.240 uh

01:04:26.140 some potential

01:04:26.940 outcome

01:04:27.600 that we

01:04:28.180 we touched

01:04:28.720 a little bit

01:04:29.260 about

01:04:29.540 but it

01:04:30.320 means that

01:04:31.080 it means

01:04:31.940 much faster

01:04:33.640 immediate

01:04:34.240 spread of

01:04:35.380 these nuclear

01:04:36.160 technologies

01:04:36.780 and missile

01:04:37.960 technologies

01:04:38.640 and it is

01:04:39.900 exactly what

01:04:40.660 uh putin

01:04:41.500 so officially

01:04:42.340 proclaimed that

01:04:43.000 he's not

01:04:43.400 interested or

01:04:44.520 some kind of

01:04:44.980 he's so-called

01:04:45.600 afraid that

01:04:46.520 uh missiles

01:04:47.640 would be placed

01:04:48.540 on ukrainian

01:04:49.160 territory

01:04:49.560 ukrainians never

01:04:50.780 thought about

01:04:51.340 that it was

01:04:52.100 only in

01:04:52.640 imagination of

01:04:53.400 putin but

01:04:54.360 now

01:04:54.840 it will

01:04:56.400 be self

01:04:57.440 uh

01:04:58.500 fulfilled

01:04:59.180 prophecy

01:04:59.620 because it's

01:05:00.780 exactly the

01:05:01.340 way how

01:05:01.920 ukrainians

01:05:02.440 could defend

01:05:03.500 themselves

01:05:03.960 so that is

01:05:05.460 why uh

01:05:06.260 we cannot

01:05:07.240 forecast

01:05:07.860 everything that

01:05:08.640 might happen

01:05:09.580 but just it

01:05:10.620 is absolutely

01:05:11.080 clear that

01:05:11.780 ukrainians

01:05:12.360 would be

01:05:13.100 acquire

01:05:13.820 or produce

01:05:15.180 themselves

01:05:15.700 with potential

01:05:17.060 collaboration

01:05:17.700 however

01:05:18.160 just uh

01:05:19.500 the crucial

01:05:20.260 technologies

01:05:21.280 military

01:05:21.920 capabilities

01:05:22.620 that are

01:05:23.640 necessary for

01:05:24.340 their defense

01:05:25.020 and for the

01:05:26.160 defense of the

01:05:26.740 european

01:05:27.240 continent

01:05:27.860 this is the

01:05:28.720 only way

01:05:29.220 to do it

01:05:30.080 and the

01:05:30.700 same story

01:05:31.220 uh for

01:05:32.480 europe

01:05:33.140 and just

01:05:34.660 recently

01:05:35.320 three baltic

01:05:36.300 countries

01:05:36.780 estonia

01:05:37.260 latvia and

01:05:37.700 lithuania

01:05:38.180 uh some

01:05:38.980 kind of work

01:05:39.440 out from

01:05:39.980 ottawa protocol

01:05:40.840 for land

01:05:41.460 mines

01:05:41.800 absolutely

01:05:42.960 clear because

01:05:43.720 they are not

01:05:44.380 interested in

01:05:45.180 being attacked

01:05:46.140 and subjugated

01:05:46.920 uh by forces

01:05:48.040 from the east

01:05:48.800 so that is why

01:05:49.840 they're digging

01:05:50.340 and building

01:05:51.160 the fortresses

01:05:52.280 uh fortifications

01:05:53.280 on the eastern

01:05:53.880 border

01:05:54.220 that is why

01:05:55.180 uh finns

01:05:56.160 uh are doing

01:05:57.040 a lot for

01:05:57.780 uh strengthening

01:05:58.440 their uh defense

01:05:59.800 and as a

01:06:01.720 also necessary

01:06:02.580 step

01:06:03.060 obvious step

01:06:05.060 is with just

01:06:05.720 formation of

01:06:06.720 new military

01:06:07.180 alliance

01:06:07.700 either within

01:06:09.700 nato or

01:06:10.980 outside of

01:06:11.700 nato or

01:06:12.120 partially nato

01:06:12.880 outside of

01:06:13.460 nato uh

01:06:14.620 among so-called

01:06:15.800 front states

01:06:16.640 front states

01:06:18.140 which is ukraine

01:06:18.960 poland baltic

01:06:19.800 countries finland

01:06:20.640 uh may might

01:06:21.940 be sweden

01:06:22.820 maybe might

01:06:23.820 be november

01:06:24.720 might be

01:06:25.520 denmark

01:06:26.040 with brits

01:06:27.040 or not

01:06:27.400 brits

01:06:27.720 it depends

01:06:28.500 but for

01:06:29.400 them it

01:06:29.960 became issue

01:06:30.940 of survival

01:06:32.160 which did

01:06:33.320 not exist

01:06:33.780 three years

01:06:34.120 ago

01:06:34.420 because three

01:06:35.240 years ago

01:06:35.660 and over

01:06:36.100 three years

01:06:36.520 uh last

01:06:37.520 three years

01:06:37.940 it was a

01:06:38.920 general

01:06:39.180 understanding

01:06:39.860 that in

01:06:40.640 the time

01:06:41.620 of very

01:06:43.020 substantial

01:06:43.600 european

01:06:44.640 crisis or

01:06:45.180 international

01:06:45.480 crisis

01:06:46.000 united states

01:06:47.080 might come

01:06:47.900 or will

01:06:48.480 come for

01:06:49.480 support

01:06:49.900 now there

01:06:50.780 is nobody

01:06:51.200 nobody has

01:06:51.840 such a

01:06:52.360 such a

01:06:53.740 belief

01:06:54.060 no that

01:06:55.160 that belief

01:06:55.800 is completely

01:06:56.380 undermined

01:06:57.220 and that is

01:06:58.360 why they need

01:06:58.940 to do

01:06:59.220 something

01:06:59.560 themselves

01:07:00.180 i find this

01:07:02.660 incredibly

01:07:03.140 worrying with

01:07:03.900 the knowledge

01:07:04.360 that i have

01:07:04.780 of the uk

01:07:05.220 which has

01:07:06.040 pursued a

01:07:06.740 policy of

01:07:07.380 demilitarization

01:07:08.720 de-industrialization

01:07:10.780 and as a

01:07:12.340 result of that

01:07:12.940 we simply

01:07:13.560 don't have

01:07:14.500 the capacity

01:07:15.100 to take

01:07:16.500 on any

01:07:16.920 type of

01:07:17.360 army

01:07:17.600 let alone

01:07:18.220 the russian

01:07:19.060 army

01:07:19.440 i mean we

01:07:20.200 we just

01:07:21.060 don't have

01:07:21.800 any type

01:07:22.580 of army

01:07:22.980 anymore

01:07:23.360 really

01:07:24.000 francis i

01:07:25.600 completely agree

01:07:26.220 with your

01:07:26.760 observation but

01:07:27.720 i would probably

01:07:28.500 make it

01:07:29.920 even worse

01:07:30.940 uh because

01:07:32.060 i'm trying to

01:07:32.740 use not only

01:07:33.260 emotions but

01:07:33.880 also facts

01:07:34.560 just several

01:07:36.080 facts

01:07:36.500 uh last

01:07:38.200 year about

01:07:38.960 a year ago

01:07:39.640 there was a

01:07:40.280 publication uh

01:07:41.540 from the military

01:07:42.260 sources here in

01:07:42.980 the united

01:07:43.240 states that

01:07:44.400 was saying that

01:07:45.160 united states

01:07:46.160 not only uk

01:07:46.860 united states

01:07:47.960 is producing

01:07:49.260 uh artillery

01:07:50.600 shells

01:07:51.120 155

01:07:52.660 millimeters

01:07:53.120 caliber

01:07:54.040 three times

01:07:55.740 less than

01:07:56.560 russia

01:07:56.940 once again

01:07:58.880 us versus

01:08:00.200 russia

01:08:00.580 gdp

01:08:01.860 of the united

01:08:04.100 states

01:08:04.520 they claim that

01:08:05.780 might be 10

01:08:06.300 times more than

01:08:07.100 russian

01:08:07.440 gdp

01:08:08.240 but the

01:08:09.280 output of

01:08:10.360 artillery

01:08:10.960 shells

01:08:11.540 three times

01:08:12.680 more in

01:08:13.760 russia

01:08:14.120 than in the

01:08:15.880 united states

01:08:16.440 you know how

01:08:17.560 many artillery

01:08:18.520 shells

01:08:18.960 united states

01:08:19.740 sent to

01:08:20.280 ukraine during

01:08:20.860 these three

01:08:21.240 years of

01:08:21.580 war

01:08:21.780 i know

01:08:22.840 i just

01:08:23.360 following

01:08:23.660 these

01:08:23.880 events

01:08:24.240 three million

01:08:25.180 you know

01:08:26.460 how many

01:08:27.040 artillery shells

01:08:28.020 north korea

01:08:28.960 gave to

01:08:29.920 putin

01:08:30.240 during

01:08:30.960 1.5

01:08:32.300 one and a

01:08:33.220 half years

01:08:33.700 till

01:08:34.340 twice

01:08:35.060 shorter

01:08:35.680 six million

01:08:37.060 so

01:08:38.380 north korea

01:08:39.600 gave putin

01:08:40.860 twice more

01:08:42.280 artillery shells

01:08:44.020 of high

01:08:44.700 caliber

01:08:45.180 152

01:08:46.200 155

01:08:47.320 millimeters

01:08:47.780 than united

01:08:48.700 states to

01:08:49.400 ukraine

01:08:50.220 and now

01:08:50.920 united states

01:08:51.480 they have

01:08:52.300 stocks are

01:08:53.020 empty

01:08:53.400 they cannot

01:08:54.720 give more

01:08:55.360 just think

01:08:56.960 about that

01:08:57.580 it's not even

01:08:58.680 comparing

01:08:59.240 united states

01:09:00.440 towards russia

01:09:01.180 but united

01:09:02.500 states towards

01:09:03.240 north korea

01:09:04.580 three years

01:09:05.420 ago

01:09:05.840 nobody who

01:09:07.180 would say

01:09:07.880 something that

01:09:08.520 will not be

01:09:09.120 considered a

01:09:09.760 sane person

01:09:10.340 because it's

01:09:11.700 absolutely out

01:09:12.580 of any

01:09:13.100 understanding

01:09:13.620 so but

01:09:14.980 this is only

01:09:15.320 beginning

01:09:15.820 just together

01:09:19.040 united states

01:09:20.700 in europe

01:09:21.300 output of

01:09:23.960 artillery shells

01:09:24.700 today is

01:09:25.520 less

01:09:26.040 it's about

01:09:26.640 54 percent

01:09:27.540 if i

01:09:27.860 recall

01:09:28.660 correctly

01:09:29.920 of the

01:09:31.180 output of

01:09:32.000 artillery shells

01:09:32.700 in russia

01:09:33.500 alone

01:09:33.880 so just

01:09:36.020 the

01:09:36.340 essentially

01:09:37.540 native

01:09:37.980 countries

01:09:38.460 putin

01:09:39.680 back

01:09:40.640 in november

01:09:42.120 last year

01:09:42.720 in bishkek

01:09:44.120 if i'm not

01:09:44.700 mistaken

01:09:46.620 had said

01:09:47.640 publicly

01:09:48.000 that russian

01:09:48.980 output of

01:09:49.720 missiles

01:09:50.280 of all

01:09:50.960 missiles

01:09:51.200 ballistic

01:09:51.560 missiles

01:09:51.940 cruise

01:09:52.160 missiles

01:09:52.560 is ten

01:09:53.560 times more

01:09:54.340 than

01:09:54.740 native

01:09:55.220 combined

01:09:55.740 and he

01:09:58.460 added

01:09:58.760 that

01:09:59.420 this year

01:10:00.180 next year

01:10:00.800 because he

01:10:02.180 was talking

01:10:02.480 last november

01:10:03.420 so in

01:10:03.740 25

01:10:04.160 so this

01:10:05.240 output would

01:10:05.900 increase

01:10:06.460 30-35 percent

01:10:07.560 more

01:10:08.180 so we

01:10:09.540 can take

01:10:10.060 cautiously

01:10:10.800 putin's

01:10:12.680 words because

01:10:13.220 it might be

01:10:14.500 propaganda as

01:10:15.160 well but

01:10:16.060 some kind of

01:10:17.220 nevertheless we

01:10:17.920 need to

01:10:18.280 see this

01:10:19.220 but now we

01:10:20.320 move to

01:10:21.260 mark rute

01:10:22.800 former prime

01:10:24.720 minister of

01:10:25.160 netherlands

01:10:25.580 and now the

01:10:26.360 secretary general

01:10:27.180 of nato

01:10:27.880 and his talk

01:10:29.020 in

01:10:29.500 at munich

01:10:31.360 conference

01:10:31.920 on security

01:10:32.680 last month

01:10:33.980 what he

01:10:35.020 said

01:10:35.280 he said

01:10:36.920 publicly

01:10:37.380 on record

01:10:38.260 seems to

01:10:38.960 me he

01:10:39.200 knows

01:10:39.380 something

01:10:39.760 that the

01:10:40.700 total

01:10:41.040 military

01:10:41.500 output

01:10:42.000 of all

01:10:42.760 native

01:10:43.140 countries

01:10:43.720 combined

01:10:44.460 is 25

01:10:45.960 percent of

01:10:46.800 russian

01:10:47.300 military

01:10:48.580 output

01:10:49.060 four times

01:10:51.100 less

01:10:51.400 so that

01:10:53.060 is why

01:10:53.320 what you

01:10:53.620 are talking

01:10:53.940 about

01:10:54.440 about

01:10:55.120 uk

01:10:55.380 you're

01:10:55.700 right

01:10:55.960 and

01:10:57.340 your

01:10:57.840 observation

01:10:58.380 has been

01:10:58.780 confirmed

01:10:59.240 by number

01:11:00.360 of publications

01:11:01.240 facts

01:11:02.100 and so on

01:11:02.700 so what

01:11:03.480 conclusions

01:11:04.260 might be

01:11:05.500 made

01:11:06.000 from

01:11:06.860 these

01:11:07.460 facts

01:11:08.060 and numbers

01:11:08.480 one

01:11:09.660 option

01:11:10.380 is to

01:11:11.160 to surrender

01:11:14.040 and there'll

01:11:15.440 be peace

01:11:15.880 like on

01:11:17.560 the cemetery

01:11:18.300 it's not only

01:11:20.160 for ukraine

01:11:20.620 it will be

01:11:21.000 for uk

01:11:21.380 for the

01:11:21.860 whole europe

01:11:22.280 or the

01:11:23.820 different

01:11:24.100 approach

01:11:24.540 your former

01:11:26.120 prime minister

01:11:26.660 mr.

01:11:27.060 churchill

01:11:27.460 reminded us

01:11:28.380 that he can

01:11:29.480 promise on

01:11:29.960 only whatever

01:11:30.660 blood sweat

01:11:32.140 and tears

01:11:32.620 exactly

01:11:33.080 so but

01:11:34.360 this is a

01:11:35.560 very clear

01:11:36.200 challenge

01:11:36.720 and that

01:11:37.620 is why

01:11:37.900 up to

01:11:38.440 european

01:11:38.980 countries

01:11:39.300 up to

01:11:39.660 uk up

01:11:40.320 to the

01:11:40.540 united

01:11:40.740 states

01:11:41.160 easy to

01:11:42.020 take this

01:11:42.860 challenge

01:11:43.320 or to

01:11:44.680 surrender

01:11:45.040 so we

01:11:46.620 know the

01:11:46.980 answer

01:11:47.360 from mr

01:11:48.520 churchill

01:11:49.180 never

01:11:49.840 surrender

01:11:50.300 okay maybe

01:11:51.200 some other

01:11:51.720 generation

01:11:52.880 maybe some

01:11:53.420 other

01:11:53.600 politicians

01:11:54.020 will take

01:11:54.460 different

01:11:54.820 approach

01:11:55.140 we don't

01:11:55.560 know

01:11:55.820 but we

01:11:56.800 know what

01:11:57.200 can be

01:11:57.500 done in

01:11:57.840 this regard

01:11:58.320 and we

01:11:59.020 remember what

01:11:59.560 has happened

01:12:00.080 with the

01:12:00.400 united states

01:12:01.040 in back

01:12:01.540 in 1941

01:12:02.240 u.s. was

01:12:03.340 not yet

01:12:03.840 in the

01:12:04.240 war

01:12:04.540 when

01:12:05.640 roosevelt

01:12:06.460 signed

01:12:06.940 approved

01:12:08.380 this land

01:12:08.900 lease

01:12:09.080 program

01:12:09.560 and during

01:12:10.540 1941

01:12:11.520 before

01:12:12.040 december

01:12:12.560 7th

01:12:12.960 before attack

01:12:13.560 on turtle

01:12:13.940 harbor

01:12:14.240 the military

01:12:15.300 output of

01:12:16.300 the united

01:12:16.740 states

01:12:17.120 increased

01:12:17.540 several

01:12:17.820 times

01:12:18.180 and they

01:12:19.300 started to

01:12:19.720 provide

01:12:20.020 this

01:12:20.340 military

01:12:20.980 ammunition

01:12:21.380 to

01:12:21.660 first of

01:12:22.280 all to

01:12:22.440 the united

01:12:22.800 kingdom

01:12:23.200 and only

01:12:25.620 after that

01:12:26.160 to other

01:12:27.380 participants

01:12:27.820 in this

01:12:28.200 war

01:12:28.420 so this

01:12:29.240 is a

01:12:29.580 very clear

01:12:30.080 challenge

01:12:30.540 it's up

01:12:31.160 to the

01:12:31.900 european

01:12:32.640 countries

01:12:32.940 to decide

01:12:33.460 by the

01:12:34.180 way

01:12:34.440 just

01:12:35.160 if we

01:12:35.700 go back

01:12:36.300 not only

01:12:37.360 for european

01:12:37.900 countries

01:12:38.200 and not

01:12:38.540 only for

01:12:39.240 second

01:12:39.860 world war

01:12:40.460 just four

01:12:41.320 years ago

01:12:41.860 ukraine

01:12:42.700 whether

01:12:43.380 ukraine

01:12:43.700 was wanted

01:12:44.180 whether it

01:12:45.860 wanted to

01:12:46.540 participate

01:12:47.080 in the

01:12:47.380 war in

01:12:47.620 russia

01:12:47.800 no

01:12:48.100 look at

01:12:48.900 this

01:12:49.100 it's

01:12:49.300 unbelievable

01:12:50.020 they had

01:12:50.920 they were

01:12:51.720 spending

01:12:52.120 on

01:12:52.900 military

01:12:53.380 purposes

01:12:54.500 some kind

01:12:55.440 of

01:12:55.580 less than

01:12:56.000 two percent

01:12:56.360 of gdp

01:12:56.940 even they

01:12:58.000 have this

01:12:58.440 war in

01:12:59.000 donbass

01:12:59.440 even the

01:13:00.520 kind of

01:13:00.800 many ukrainian

01:13:01.720 military

01:13:02.040 persons have

01:13:02.680 been killed

01:13:03.040 there

01:13:03.320 all arguments

01:13:05.260 in the

01:13:05.920 ukrainian society

01:13:06.860 for either

01:13:07.580 poroshenko

01:13:08.080 government

01:13:08.420 or zelensky

01:13:09.000 government

01:13:09.360 let's increase

01:13:10.520 military

01:13:10.900 expenditure

01:13:11.380 it is

01:13:11.860 absolutely

01:13:12.320 unsustainable

01:13:13.220 no

01:13:14.000 and poroshenko

01:13:16.380 and zelensky

01:13:16.840 said no

01:13:17.160 no

01:13:17.280 we are for

01:13:17.720 peace

01:13:18.000 and zelensky

01:13:19.120 won his

01:13:20.920 presidential election

01:13:21.880 with the

01:13:22.480 slogan

01:13:22.760 i will

01:13:23.240 bring

01:13:23.500 peace

01:13:23.860 exactly

01:13:24.560 like

01:13:24.920 mr

01:13:25.320 chamberlain

01:13:25.780 coming

01:13:26.040 from

01:13:26.280 munich

01:13:26.580 so

01:13:27.280 i'm

01:13:27.560 not

01:13:27.720 going

01:13:27.920 to

01:13:28.100 fight

01:13:28.420 so

01:13:28.960 just

01:13:29.180 i'm

01:13:29.440 going

01:13:29.580 to

01:13:29.720 have

01:13:29.880 peace

01:13:30.200 because

01:13:30.840 what

01:13:31.400 is

01:13:31.560 necessary

01:13:31.840 just

01:13:32.140 necessary

01:13:32.560 just

01:13:32.880 to

01:13:33.060 stop

01:13:33.280 fighting

01:13:33.720 stop

01:13:34.380 shooting

01:13:34.800 it was

01:13:35.400 his

01:13:35.600 words

01:13:35.960 what is

01:13:37.220 the

01:13:37.400 level

01:13:37.800 of

01:13:37.980 military

01:13:38.240 expenditures

01:13:38.660 right

01:13:38.960 now

01:13:39.240 in

01:13:39.820 ukraine

01:13:40.380 more than

01:13:41.120 32 percent

01:13:42.000 of

01:13:42.960 gdp

01:13:43.400 because

01:13:45.420 there is

01:13:45.960 no way

01:13:46.320 to survive

01:13:46.940 but to

01:13:47.920 spend

01:13:48.360 on security

01:13:49.120 on defense

01:13:50.120 so

01:13:50.820 same

01:13:51.300 same

01:13:52.780 challenge

01:13:53.200 is in

01:13:54.520 front of

01:13:55.020 european

01:13:55.400 countries

01:13:55.720 now

01:13:56.360 poles

01:13:57.800 spend

01:13:58.320 maybe

01:13:58.580 4.3

01:13:59.280 percent

01:13:59.740 lithuanians

01:14:01.280 are promising

01:14:01.840 to increase

01:14:02.740 up to

01:14:03.040 6 percent

01:14:03.540 of gdp

01:14:04.140 but it's

01:14:04.740 incomparable

01:14:05.240 what

01:14:05.620 level

01:14:07.080 of

01:14:07.320 military

01:14:07.580 expenditures

01:14:08.040 during

01:14:08.380 the

01:14:08.560 cold

01:14:08.780 war

01:14:09.040 for

01:14:10.220 countries

01:14:11.220 of

01:14:11.480 europe

01:14:11.740 or

01:14:12.120 the

01:14:12.360 united

01:14:12.580 states

01:14:12.940 this is

01:14:13.760 a challenge

01:14:14.200 it's

01:14:14.400 a kind

01:14:14.620 of

01:14:14.720 choice

01:14:15.120 either

01:14:15.800 you

01:14:16.020 will

01:14:16.220 be

01:14:16.400 subjugated

01:14:17.120 and

01:14:17.400 you

01:14:17.540 will

01:14:17.720 surrender

01:14:18.120 and

01:14:18.380 that

01:14:18.520 is

01:14:18.660 why

01:14:18.880 another

01:14:19.820 gulag

01:14:20.220 will

01:14:20.400 be

01:14:20.560 built

01:14:20.900 on

01:14:21.320 territory

01:14:21.760 of

01:14:21.960 your

01:14:22.080 countries

01:14:22.500 and

01:14:22.820 your

01:14:22.980 people

01:14:23.220 will

01:14:23.460 be

01:14:23.980 conscripted

01:14:25.000 and

01:14:25.200 killed

01:14:25.460 in

01:14:25.800 your

01:14:26.040 imperial

01:14:26.800 wars

01:14:27.220 or

01:14:27.620 other

01:14:27.900 people

01:14:28.180 who

01:14:28.440 do

01:14:28.680 not

01:14:28.920 like

01:14:29.440 to

01:14:29.620 be

01:14:29.740 there

01:14:29.980 just

01:14:30.240 will

01:14:30.440 be

01:14:30.640 put

01:14:31.140 in

01:14:31.400 gulag

01:14:32.040 or

01:14:32.260 exterminated

01:14:32.940 as

01:14:33.520 all

01:14:34.260 political

01:14:34.720 elite

01:14:35.040 of

01:14:35.180 baltic

01:14:35.460 countries

01:14:35.920 or

01:14:36.540 polish

01:14:37.020 elite

01:14:37.380 or

01:14:38.080 elite

01:14:38.880 in

01:14:39.060 the

01:14:39.160 western

01:14:39.360 ukraine

01:14:39.800 or

01:14:40.880 to

01:14:41.220 fight

01:14:41.500 there

01:14:41.920 is

01:14:42.020 no

01:14:42.140 other

01:14:42.320 ways

01:14:42.640 well

01:14:44.220 andre

01:14:44.560 it's

01:14:45.280 very

01:14:45.500 serious

01:14:46.020 things

01:14:46.580 you're

01:14:46.760 saying

01:14:47.120 i think

01:14:48.520 people

01:14:48.980 will

01:14:49.220 be

01:14:49.720 scared

01:14:52.140 but

01:14:52.400 also

01:14:52.600 confused

01:14:53.180 and

01:14:53.440 it's

01:14:53.800 very

01:14:54.140 early

01:14:54.360 days

01:14:54.640 in

01:14:54.760 the

01:14:54.860 trump

01:14:55.040 administration

01:14:55.480 i

01:14:56.080 will

01:14:56.280 say

01:14:56.500 very

01:14:56.820 sincerely

01:14:57.220 that

01:14:57.460 i

01:14:57.580 hope

01:14:57.740 you're

01:14:57.960 wrong

01:14:58.180 about

01:14:59.180 everything

01:14:59.540 you're

01:14:59.800 saying

01:15:00.100 but

01:15:01.720 sadly

01:15:02.500 i'm

01:15:02.720 afraid

01:15:02.920 we're

01:15:03.140 gonna

01:15:03.240 just

01:15:03.520 have

01:15:03.660 to

01:15:03.780 wait

01:15:03.940 and

01:15:04.100 see

01:15:04.300 you

01:15:05.220 know

01:15:05.440 i

01:15:06.960 completely

01:15:08.180 understand

01:15:08.620 your

01:15:08.840 point

01:15:09.100 so

01:15:09.320 in

01:15:09.660 year

01:15:09.840 2008

01:15:10.280 when

01:15:11.080 there

01:15:11.220 was

01:15:11.340 a

01:15:11.460 russian

01:15:11.700 georgian

01:15:12.240 war

01:15:12.480 when

01:15:12.760 putin

01:15:13.160 put

01:15:13.740 his

01:15:14.040 troops

01:15:14.420 against

01:15:15.420 georgia

01:15:15.880 and

01:15:16.180 occupied

01:15:16.680 abkhazia

01:15:17.280 in

01:15:17.560 south

01:15:17.860 georgian

01:15:19.960 regions

01:15:20.420 so

01:15:21.240 mr

01:15:21.800 sakesh

01:15:22.160 will

01:15:22.360 say

01:15:23.600 the

01:15:23.800 next

01:15:24.060 will

01:15:24.240 be

01:15:24.400 crimea

01:15:24.940 i

01:15:25.700 was

01:15:25.860 thinking

01:15:26.080 about

01:15:26.320 that

01:15:26.460 i

01:15:26.600 said

01:15:26.760 yes

01:15:27.000 next

01:15:27.480 will

01:15:27.640 be

01:15:27.800 crimea

01:15:29.540 people

01:15:42.380 were laughing

01:15:42.800 at me

01:15:43.220 it's just

01:15:43.580 people

01:15:44.160 come on

01:15:45.320 this guy

01:15:46.020 is absolutely

01:15:46.560 insane

01:15:47.080 it was

01:15:47.580 completely

01:15:48.120 crazy

01:15:48.560 putin

01:15:48.960 is our

01:15:49.280 best

01:15:49.580 friend

01:15:49.920 russia

01:15:51.120 is our

01:15:51.820 historical

01:15:52.520 friend

01:15:52.960 for

01:15:53.180 centuries

01:15:53.740 that

01:15:54.120 cannot

01:15:54.440 happen

01:15:54.840 and

01:15:55.340 this

01:15:55.540 person

01:15:55.780 is

01:15:55.960 trying

01:15:56.200 to

01:15:56.400 solve

01:15:56.760 some

01:15:57.020 kind

01:15:57.160 of

01:15:57.260 his

01:15:57.460 personal

01:15:57.800 problems

01:15:58.200 with

01:15:58.400 mr

01:15:58.680 putin

01:15:58.980 and

01:15:59.160 so

01:15:59.340 on

01:15:59.500 in

01:16:00.220 january

01:16:00.700 year

01:16:00.960 2014

01:16:01.700 during

01:16:02.720 maidan

01:16:03.240 i

01:16:03.400 happened

01:16:03.640 to

01:16:03.840 be

01:16:04.040 in

01:16:04.340 kiev

01:16:04.700 and

01:16:05.180 i

01:16:05.320 was

01:16:05.480 on

01:16:05.660 the

01:16:05.900 tv

01:16:06.560 show

01:16:06.940 with

01:16:07.180 12

01:16:07.560 the

01:16:07.980 best

01:16:08.320 ukrainian

01:16:09.240 experts

01:16:09.820 and

01:16:10.320 i

01:16:10.580 told

01:16:10.960 them

01:16:11.360 in

01:16:12.020 january

01:16:12.360 2014

01:16:13.120 i said

01:16:14.260 okay

01:16:14.580 just

01:16:15.260 watch

01:16:15.820 out

01:16:16.320 during

01:16:17.760 this

01:16:18.040 maidan

01:16:18.580 putin

01:16:19.160 will

01:16:19.340 go

01:16:19.600 for

01:16:19.860 crimea

01:16:20.500 all

01:16:21.460 12

01:16:21.740 people

01:16:22.060 ukrainians

01:16:22.620 were

01:16:22.860 just

01:16:23.400 laughing

01:16:23.940 just

01:16:24.600 this

01:16:24.780 person

01:16:25.200 is

01:16:25.520 crazy

01:16:26.000 on

01:16:27.660 february

01:16:28.200 20th

01:16:28.700 one

01:16:29.060 month

01:16:29.360 after

01:16:29.700 our

01:16:30.080 conversation

01:16:31.360 show

01:16:31.860 in

01:16:32.180 kiev

01:16:32.500 putin

01:16:33.120 started

01:16:33.400 operation

01:16:33.840 for

01:16:34.200 occupation

01:16:34.800 annexation

01:16:35.420 of

01:16:35.580 crimea

01:16:36.180 after

01:16:36.800 that

01:16:37.200 in

01:16:37.800 april

01:16:38.620 even

01:16:40.280 yes

01:16:40.880 in april

01:16:41.740 it

01:16:42.020 just

01:16:42.180 early

01:16:42.500 april

01:16:43.000 april

01:16:44.300 2

01:16:45.460 just

01:16:45.960 you

01:16:46.080 can

01:16:46.220 go

01:16:46.380 to

01:16:46.520 my

01:16:46.700 life

01:16:46.900 journal

01:16:47.100 you'll

01:16:47.380 find

01:16:47.600 this

01:16:47.920 statement

01:16:48.780 that

01:16:49.040 just

01:16:49.240 in

01:16:49.880 the

01:16:50.060 night

01:16:50.300 of

01:16:50.560 april

01:16:50.940 6

01:16:51.200 putin

01:16:52.280 will

01:16:52.440 start

01:16:52.680 operation

01:16:53.140 against

01:16:53.640 donbass

01:16:54.080 why

01:16:56.000 because

01:16:56.380 i read

01:16:56.940 what

01:16:57.300 they

01:16:57.720 have

01:16:57.960 they

01:16:59.880 have

01:17:00.220 written

01:17:00.740 in

01:17:01.580 in

01:17:02.540 their

01:17:03.080 in

01:17:03.340 their

01:17:03.520 website

01:17:04.000 and

01:17:05.300 people

01:17:05.580 are

01:17:05.800 laughing

01:17:06.180 from

01:17:07.500 the

01:17:07.680 night

01:17:07.960 of

01:17:08.480 april

01:17:09.960 6

01:17:10.300 strilkov

01:17:11.520 started

01:17:13.220 this

01:17:13.480 operation

01:17:13.900 for

01:17:14.200 occupation

01:17:14.680 of

01:17:14.920 slaviansk

01:17:15.520 and

01:17:15.920 this

01:17:16.180 so-called

01:17:17.140 donbass

01:17:17.600 war

01:17:17.900 after

01:17:18.780 that

01:17:19.100 in

01:17:19.360 august

01:17:19.820 year

01:17:20.180 2014

01:17:20.760 i

01:17:21.620 said

01:17:22.020 just

01:17:22.620 okay

01:17:22.920 if

01:17:23.820 ukrainians

01:17:24.640 would not

01:17:25.140 undertake

01:17:25.740 necessary

01:17:26.300 measures

01:17:26.660 immediately

01:17:27.140 will take

01:17:27.680 their

01:17:28.060 people

01:17:28.920 from

01:17:29.200 they

01:17:30.440 will

01:17:30.660 be

01:17:31.040 stabbed

01:17:31.600 in

01:17:32.560 the

01:17:32.720 back

01:17:33.020 by

01:17:33.860 russian

01:17:34.760 regular

01:17:35.100 forces

01:17:35.600 ukrainians

01:17:36.820 did not

01:17:37.160 do

01:17:37.400 and

01:17:37.860 after

01:17:38.040 that

01:17:38.260 russian

01:17:38.480 forces

01:17:38.840 crossed

01:17:39.200 the

01:17:39.380 border

01:17:39.640 circled

01:17:40.840 encircled

01:17:41.420 ukrainian

01:17:42.200 forces

01:17:42.480 and

01:17:43.320 killed

01:17:43.940 more

01:17:44.260 than

01:17:44.440 600

01:17:44.860 people

01:17:45.760 over

01:17:46.000 there

01:17:46.240 so

01:17:47.380 after

01:17:48.340 that

01:17:48.640 for

01:17:48.940 eight

01:17:49.700 years

01:17:49.960 from

01:17:50.160 year

01:17:50.320 2014

01:17:50.960 to

01:17:51.220 year

01:17:51.420 2022

01:17:52.220 i

01:17:52.700 was

01:17:52.860 talking

01:17:53.120 there

01:17:53.340 will

01:17:53.480 be

01:17:53.640 next

01:17:54.000 operation

01:17:54.580 full

01:17:55.220 scale

01:17:55.520 operation

01:17:56.000 against

01:17:56.620 ukraine

01:17:57.340 with

01:17:57.960 the

01:17:58.100 purpose

01:17:58.380 to

01:17:58.620 get

01:17:58.900 Kiev

01:18:00.620 to

01:18:00.880 get

01:18:01.060 Kiev

01:18:01.400 because

01:18:02.540 the dream

01:18:03.780 of

01:18:04.080 Putin

01:18:04.360 is not

01:18:05.060 Crimea

01:18:05.420 is not

01:18:06.140 Hercenez

01:18:06.820 not

01:18:07.500 Donbass

01:18:08.120 not

01:18:08.300 these

01:18:08.480 five

01:18:08.720 regions

01:18:09.100 Kiev

01:18:09.600 it

01:18:10.580 was

01:18:10.760 his

01:18:11.140 dream

01:18:12.220 that

01:18:12.820 he

01:18:13.000 was

01:18:13.240 telling

01:18:13.680 back

01:18:15.500 in

01:18:15.720 2003

01:18:16.420 2004

01:18:17.160 that

01:18:18.080 the

01:18:18.280 might

01:18:18.720 городов

01:18:19.160 russkich

01:18:19.460 mother

01:18:19.760 of

01:18:19.920 russian

01:18:20.140 cities

01:18:20.540 must be

01:18:21.340 under

01:18:21.480 his

01:18:21.760 control

01:18:22.240 nobody

01:18:23.520 believed

01:18:23.960 in

01:18:24.140 it

01:18:24.340 it

01:18:24.620 was

01:18:24.800 impossible

01:18:25.220 to

01:18:25.460 believe

01:18:25.680 in

01:18:25.840 it

01:18:26.060 and

01:18:26.780 after

01:18:26.960 that

01:18:27.140 we

01:18:27.280 have

01:18:27.460 February

01:18:28.060 24

01:18:28.660 February

01:18:29.940 24

01:18:30.900 of

01:18:31.040 22

01:18:31.420 once

01:18:32.820 again

01:18:33.140 Gold

01:18:34.060 the

01:18:34.240 mayor

01:18:34.540 told

01:18:35.960 us

01:18:36.260 along

01:18:37.460 with

01:18:37.880 survival

01:18:39.000 from

01:18:39.460 Nazi

01:18:40.280 concentration

01:18:40.840 camps

01:18:41.240 if

01:18:42.300 somebody

01:18:42.700 tells

01:18:43.140 you

01:18:43.300 regularly

01:18:43.760 told

01:18:44.540 to tell

01:18:44.980 you

01:18:45.120 regularly

01:18:45.480 that

01:18:46.080 he's

01:18:46.300 going

01:18:46.460 to

01:18:46.660 kill

01:18:46.860 you

01:18:47.180 trust

01:18:48.320 that

01:18:49.120 person

01:18:49.520 be

01:18:50.900 serious

01:18:51.500 do not

01:18:52.360 ignore

01:18:52.840 Putin

01:18:54.040 is

01:18:54.560 saying

01:18:55.000 for

01:18:55.580 25

01:18:56.220 years

01:18:56.860 in a

01:18:57.540 row

01:18:57.760 that

01:18:58.400 he's

01:18:58.720 going

01:18:59.020 to

01:18:59.320 establish

01:18:59.860 control

01:19:00.380 over

01:19:00.720 Europe

01:19:01.120 it

01:19:03.040 is

01:19:03.200 up

01:19:03.420 to

01:19:03.560 you

01:19:03.800 to

01:19:04.280 trust

01:19:04.640 him

01:19:04.840 or

01:19:05.060 not

01:19:05.240 to

01:19:05.400 trust

01:19:05.720 I

01:19:06.400 prefer

01:19:06.680 to

01:19:06.940 trust

01:19:07.280 that

01:19:07.560 person

01:19:07.940 that

01:19:08.360 he

01:19:08.520 is

01:19:08.660 serious

01:19:08.940 about

01:19:09.300 his

01:19:09.520 intentions

01:19:10.000 Andrei

01:19:13.520 that's

01:19:13.980 us

01:19:14.880 thank you

01:19:15.160 for coming

01:19:15.460 on the

01:19:15.700 show

01:19:15.840 and

01:19:16.040 giving

01:19:16.580 us

01:19:16.740 your

01:19:16.860 perspective

01:19:17.280 and

01:19:18.580 the

01:19:18.720 final

01:19:18.960 question

01:19:19.300 we

01:19:19.460 always

01:19:19.700 end

01:19:19.880 with

01:19:20.040 Andrei

01:19:20.440 is

01:19:20.580 what's

01:19:20.800 the

01:19:20.900 one

01:19:21.040 thing

01:19:21.220 we're

01:19:21.380 not

01:19:21.600 talking

01:19:21.940 about

01:19:22.220 as

01:19:22.540 a

01:19:22.700 society

01:19:23.160 that

01:19:23.740 we

01:19:23.840 really

01:19:24.060 should

01:19:24.300 be

01:19:24.520 sorry

01:19:25.920 what's

01:19:26.440 the

01:19:26.520 one

01:19:26.640 thing

01:19:26.820 we're

01:19:26.980 not

01:19:27.180 talking

01:19:27.560 about

01:19:27.920 as

01:19:29.080 a

01:19:29.220 society

01:19:29.620 that

01:19:29.820 we

01:19:29.980 really

01:19:30.220 should

01:19:30.440 be

01:19:30.620 I

01:19:31.100 laughed

01:19:31.680 because

01:19:32.180 what

01:19:33.160 you've

01:19:33.420 just

01:19:33.600 said

01:19:33.900 has

01:19:34.280 just

01:19:34.660 you

01:19:35.520 know

01:19:35.640 that's

01:19:36.040 the

01:19:36.140 one

01:19:36.300 thing

01:19:36.460 that

01:19:36.580 we

01:19:36.680 need

01:19:36.840 to

01:19:36.940 be

01:19:37.060 talking

01:19:37.320 about

01:19:37.520 but

01:19:37.680 what's

01:19:37.940 the

01:19:38.040 other

01:19:38.200 thing

01:19:38.520 before

01:19:39.420 Andrei

01:19:39.700 answers

01:19:40.040 the

01:19:40.200 final

01:19:40.420 question

01:19:40.800 at

01:19:41.080 the

01:19:41.220 end

01:19:41.340 of

01:19:41.440 the

01:19:41.560 interview

01:19:41.760 make

01:19:42.000 sure

01:19:42.140 you

01:19:42.300 click

01:19:42.600 the

01:19:51.380 gets

01:19:51.620 older

01:19:52.140 Was

01:19:53.120 there

01:19:53.300 a

01:19:53.460 time

01:19:53.740 early

01:19:54.120 in

01:19:54.320 Putin's

01:19:54.720 presidency

01:19:55.220 when

01:19:55.640 he

01:19:55.800 was

01:19:56.000 sincerely

01:19:56.420 open

01:19:56.840 to

01:19:57.060 closer

01:19:57.400 ties

01:19:57.760 with

01:19:57.920 the

01:19:58.060 West

01:19:58.380 What

01:19:59.480 role

01:19:59.760 if

01:19:59.940 any

01:20:00.180 does

01:20:00.940 geography

01:20:01.320 play

01:20:01.660 in

01:20:01.860 Russian

01:20:02.140 politics

01:20:02.760 I

01:20:03.680 hope

01:20:03.920 that

01:20:04.400 you

01:20:04.760 would

01:20:04.920 continue

01:20:05.280 what

01:20:05.500 you're

01:20:05.660 doing

01:20:05.980 because

01:20:06.480 once

01:20:06.760 again

01:20:07.040 you

01:20:07.760 are

01:20:07.980 a

01:20:08.180 rare

01:20:08.420 voice

01:20:09.180 in

01:20:09.840 the

01:20:10.040 English

01:20:10.360 speaking

01:20:10.740 world

01:20:11.240 that

01:20:12.240 at

01:20:12.600 least

01:20:12.940 ready

01:20:13.640 to

01:20:13.920 listen

01:20:14.260 to

01:20:16.000 what

01:20:16.380 became

01:20:17.060 unusual

01:20:18.460 and

01:20:19.660 that

01:20:19.980 not

01:20:21.020 many

01:20:21.280 others

01:20:21.680 are

01:20:22.040 talking

01:20:22.320 about

01:20:22.720 and

01:20:23.800 I

01:20:23.960 wish

01:20:24.240 you

01:20:24.480 that

01:20:24.740 would

01:20:24.920 continue

01:20:25.440 such

01:20:25.840 an

01:20:26.000 approach

01:20:26.400 and

01:20:27.420 talking

01:20:27.860 by

01:20:28.080 yourself

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TRIGGERnometry - March 30, 2025

Trump's Deal Will be the End of Ukraine - Andrei Illarionov

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