TRIGGERnometry - March 30, 2025


Trump's Deal Will be the End of Ukraine - Andrei Illarionov


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1 hour and 21 minutes

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11,457

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414

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In this episode, Francis and Francis speak with Russian-American affairs expert Andrei Landerov about the Ukraine crisis, the Ukraine conflict, and why the West is silent on it. They also discuss the growing influence of Vladimir Putin's propaganda machine, and the need for a new way to talk about it.

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00:00:00.480 For Trump, Ukraine is irrelevant. Ukraine does not exist in these calculations at all.
00:00:07.280 Because from this point of view, Ukraine belongs to the Russian sphere of influence.
00:00:11.940 And that is why the business of Mr. Trump is just to silence Ukraine as much as possible.
00:00:18.200 To silence Zelensky, to silence anyone.
00:00:20.780 The argument from the Trump administration is when we sign the minerals deal with Ukraine,
00:00:26.620 that will guarantee Americans in Ukraine.
00:00:30.580 This is a kindergarten. I am really sorry to say so.
00:00:33.420 There is no economic success without security guarantees.
00:00:36.700 Mark Rutte, the Secretary General of NATO, he said publicly, on record, seems to me he knows something,
00:00:43.560 that the total military output of all NATO countries combined is 25% of Russian military output.
00:00:52.900 Four times less.
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00:01:26.220 Andrei Leronov, welcome back to the show.
00:01:28.840 We had you on exactly three years ago to talk about the Russian invasion of Ukraine,
00:01:34.260 what Vladimir Putin was doing.
00:01:36.480 Our interest was you as someone who worked with Vladimir Putin closely for six years,
00:01:41.480 and we talked about it then.
00:01:42.680 And you messaged us recently saying that there are a lot of things being said in the English-speaking world
00:01:48.760 that are not true and that need to be discussed, something we agree with you on, by the way.
00:01:55.220 So what are you talking about?
00:01:57.640 What's going on?
00:01:58.480 What do you think needs to be talked about in a different way?
00:02:01.640 First of all, thank you, Konstantin.
00:02:03.500 Thank you, Francis, for inviting me once again.
00:02:06.040 It's nice to see you.
00:02:07.400 And I need to confess that I follow your activities, trying to follow what you're doing, how you're doing.
00:02:17.740 It seems to me you've got substantial progress.
00:02:20.680 Since we met last time, your subscription rate jumped up, skyrocketed.
00:02:26.480 So now you're stars in the English-speaking world.
00:02:30.760 And you are not only kind of very popular, and it's a fact of life,
00:02:34.600 but you happen to be one of very few voices in the English-speaking world that, from my point of view,
00:02:42.720 continue to speak truth, unlike many other voices that somehow stopped to do it
00:02:50.240 or have been under influence from Putin's slash Kremlin propaganda.
00:02:56.480 And I can name only kind of three sources that I follow that at least continue to talk about war
00:03:04.220 that Putin is waging against Ukraine, about Russia, about Ukraine, about many other things.
00:03:11.240 Just, first of all, you, I would say Douglas Murray, and I would say Piers Morgan.
00:03:16.740 Also, from time to time, he's trying to somewhat of keep the line.
00:03:20.260 And to my observation, all of you coming from Britain, and I just, why those only British voices,
00:03:29.560 but not American voices, it's another topic for discussion for me.
00:03:34.420 But it is shocking for me.
00:03:36.220 I would not hide this, my feeling, that many, if not almost all, American voices either became silent
00:03:48.100 or started to reproduce Putin's slash Kremlin propaganda, especially concerning Ukraine,
00:03:56.820 concerning Putin's aggression against Ukraine, concerning Putin's policy, and so on.
00:04:01.740 So that is why it's quite shocking, it's quite discouraging.
00:04:05.560 And I would like to thank you for at least skipping this line
00:04:10.580 and continue your stance and support for truth.
00:04:18.540 So that is why I think it would be useful if we can talk about those issues objectively, openly, honestly.
00:04:29.480 Even some people might not like what we can talk.
00:04:33.160 Well, let's do that. Let's do that.
00:04:34.600 And look, from our perspective, we don't have a line.
00:04:36.940 I guess my, to the extent that I understand Ukraine and Russia, you know, growing up in Russia,
00:04:42.140 living in Ukraine for some time, having family, having relatives,
00:04:45.660 speaking to people in both countries about what's going on from the inside,
00:04:49.400 speaking to people who are involved in various, you know, at various levels in government.
00:04:54.160 I'm just telling people in the West what I know and what I'm hearing.
00:04:57.840 That's all I'm doing.
00:04:58.960 And if I was hearing something else, I'd be saying something else.
00:05:01.000 But I agree with you.
00:05:03.040 One of the fascinating things, I'm not sure if you experienced this,
00:05:05.740 because we're both Russian speakers, and I imagine we both consume Russian-speaking media,
00:05:09.840 is watching something become a talking point in Russian media,
00:05:16.040 and then two weeks later, or three weeks later, or a month later,
00:05:19.440 it appears in English-speaking media as this new thing.
00:05:24.880 And have you seen that pipeline happen yourself?
00:05:29.840 No, first of all, I would say, so just you're keeping the line,
00:05:32.140 because this line to talk truth.
00:05:33.960 Yes.
00:05:34.440 But what you saw with your own eyes, what you understand yourself,
00:05:38.140 not what Kremlin wants us to repeat.
00:05:42.140 So that is why this is the line.
00:05:43.920 So I'm trying, to my extent, to do exactly the same.
00:05:47.800 So that is why, what exactly I have in mind when I'm saying that, just keep the line.
00:05:53.460 As for your observation, so you put this kind of time pause, two, three weeks.
00:06:01.380 Sometimes, these posts could be different.
00:06:04.520 For example, Putin, for almost a year, was talking about the Zelensky dictator.
00:06:10.780 So he started to talk it from the last June.
00:06:16.240 And all of a sudden, exactly the same words have been repeated by Mr. Trump.
00:06:21.940 So, and when somebody mentioned, okay, so this is kind of Kremlin's propaganda,
00:06:26.480 he said, no, no, it is my own understanding.
00:06:29.200 Like, okay, so just probably Mr. Trump didn't know that Mr. Putin was talking about it
00:06:35.460 for whatever, nine months prior to that, but this is a fact of life.
00:06:40.080 And after that, when Mr. Trump has repeated the story that, okay,
00:06:44.620 Mr. Biden did not call me, did not talk to Putin for three and a half years,
00:06:49.240 which is clearly not true, because the last conversation between Biden and Putin was on December 30th, 21.
00:06:59.920 So that is why, assuming his term in the office, it's, in the very best case, three years.
00:07:05.060 And the three years when Trump said so, but few days later, Mr. Vitkoff has repeated this story,
00:07:15.060 that it was Mr. Putin told him, Vitkoff, that Biden did not talk to Putin for three and a half years.
00:07:22.100 So now we all of a sudden found this line of communications.
00:07:25.900 So, first of all, Putin told Vitkoff, Vitkoff told Trump, and Trump repeated the lie that Putin told Vitkoff
00:07:35.140 and has been transferred to Trump.
00:07:38.720 So that is why these lines of communications or timescale could be different.
00:07:45.340 But you're absolutely right that all of a sudden we found situations that I cannot recall,
00:07:51.400 that Putin's slash Kremlin slash Russian propaganda has been repeated and spread out in English-speaking world
00:07:59.580 at the level unseen and unheard before.
00:08:05.040 And we, unfortunately, we can hear all the time from such people like
00:08:09.220 Professor Mishheimer, Professor Sox, Tucker Carlson, Vice President J.D. Vance,
00:08:17.260 from the son of the President, Donald Trump Jr., and from President Trump himself.
00:08:23.060 So this is shocking, because never before we had a situation when the leadership of the U.S. administration
00:08:31.160 would repeat consistently and persistently something that's completely untrue,
00:08:37.980 completely wrong, incomplete propaganda.
00:08:40.440 This information aimed at justification of aggressive behavior of Russia, of Putin, first of all,
00:08:49.040 against Ukraine, against Europe, and against the United States, against the Western civilization.
00:08:54.680 So Putin never hid it that his main goal is destruction of Western civilization.
00:08:59.940 He devoted to this goal many, many of his statements.
00:09:03.420 His apparatus, his Kremlin entourage, the whole system of the current Russian government
00:09:11.380 is working to destroy Western civilization, NATO, Europe, United States.
00:09:16.820 And that's quite a claim.
00:09:19.620 Can you give us some specifics?
00:09:21.320 Like, personally, I've never heard him say he wants to destroy Western civilization.
00:09:25.400 What are you talking about specifically?
00:09:26.820 I can refer you to just many speeches, especially from the speech that he has given
00:09:31.980 on October 5th, year 2023, during the so-called Valdai Club gatherings,
00:09:39.700 in which he proclaimed, actually, its public announcement of the global war against the West.
00:09:44.680 And it is a very detailed and very fundamental explanation that the West is doomed.
00:09:51.820 And the, his, Putin's goal, together with a big friend and colleague, Mr. Xi from China,
00:10:01.240 and to unite the other countries around the world, so-called multilateral, or whatever.
00:10:10.360 Multipolar world.
00:10:11.480 Multipolar world, it's an old term, but they say that, you know, this is a global majority.
00:10:16.660 Even they say not global majority, world majority, they kind of, they understand English very well,
00:10:21.780 so that is why they're choosing right words in English to explain their position.
00:10:26.420 So this is a world majority against the West, against doomed, some kind of decadent West,
00:10:34.540 and this is some kind of the noble mission of current Russia and current Russian regime
00:10:42.580 under the leadership of Putin, with support from Chinese friends,
00:10:47.360 to make everything possible that the, kind of, the days of the West are numbered.
00:10:53.860 And after that, number of people from the Kremlin, and from Kremlin onto Russia,
00:10:59.620 issued a number of documents, including those documents that have been produced,
00:11:03.960 such people, I don't know, probably you know those names, like Karaganov,
00:11:07.980 or Trenin, those people from think tanks around Kremlin,
00:11:14.000 they put a number of documents explaining their, kind of, the essence of this global war
00:11:21.920 against the West, led by world majority, with the leadership of Russia, with Putin at the head.
00:11:30.180 So that is why it's nothing new.
00:11:31.780 It's a very well-detailed, some kind of work-out plan by the current Russian regime.
00:11:39.360 They never hid it.
00:11:40.360 They talk about it regularly.
00:11:42.460 Even just a few days ago, already, just with the current U.S. administration,
00:11:46.420 Mr. Karaganov, again, once again, gave an interview to BBC, I believe,
00:11:52.940 the correspondent of BBC in Moscow,
00:11:55.360 explaining, no, we need to use everything possible to just subjugate Europe.
00:12:00.480 Now, he's trying to, kind of, before January 20th,
00:12:05.220 he was talking about, kind of, the main problem with the United States,
00:12:09.200 actually, with Anglo-Saxons, so you don't forget about, about Brits as well,
00:12:12.780 so that they understand the Anglo-Saxons as Americans and Brits.
00:12:16.660 Now, within your administration, so they are, kind of,
00:12:19.980 accurately trying to put aside America,
00:12:22.720 and now talking about Europe with Brits, you are still there,
00:12:25.720 so don't worry, so you are still the goal of this regime.
00:12:29.660 So, that is why he's not hiding, yes, he's going, yes,
00:12:33.500 if it's necessary, we can use whatever possible,
00:12:36.920 whatever resources or whatever instruments,
00:12:39.140 including whatever weapons, to reach our goal.
00:12:43.180 It is not about Ukraine.
00:12:44.880 It's not about Zelensky.
00:12:46.260 It's not about his behavior in the Oval Office or White House
00:12:50.020 or how he treated the President of the United States
00:12:52.560 or Vice President of the United States.
00:12:53.800 No, it's about an absolutely different story,
00:12:56.300 about the imperial dominance of the Russian regime over Europe.
00:13:01.060 And this is, by the way, it's not a news.
00:13:03.400 It's a long-term policy of Soviet communists
00:13:06.880 to establish dominance over Europe.
00:13:09.680 This is actually what's proclaimed by V.I. Lenin back in 1970, 1918.
00:13:17.220 This was essentially the goal of the so-called Bolsheviks' march into Europe
00:13:22.760 via Poland to Germany, to Italy, to Hungary.
00:13:27.560 That was exactly what Lenin was talking about in summer 1920.
00:13:33.140 And after that, they prepared for this war for 20 years
00:13:37.160 between First World War and Second World War.
00:13:40.380 And the Second World War was organized by Stalin
00:13:45.220 as a so-called Liberation March of Europe
00:13:49.360 that was only successful, but only half successful.
00:13:55.740 Only half of Europe happened to be subjugated by Soviet communism.
00:14:01.540 And after that, in the late 80s and early 90s,
00:14:06.900 with the collapse of the Warsaw Pact,
00:14:09.240 with the collapse of the Soviet Union,
00:14:11.260 with the end of the Cold War,
00:14:13.120 all of a sudden, all these countries that had been liberated
00:14:16.160 or liberated themselves from the communism,
00:14:19.760 so they wanted to join Western civilization.
00:14:22.920 So that must be reconsidered.
00:14:26.620 That must be changed.
00:14:28.600 There must be revenge.
00:14:30.460 And that exactly was the essence of Putin's regime
00:14:36.020 over the last 25 years versus Europe.
00:14:38.640 And he was trying to achieve this for all this period of time.
00:14:42.660 So he never hid it.
00:14:44.080 So that is why it's just only deaf and blind,
00:14:46.940 could not see what are the purposes,
00:14:49.860 what are the goals of Putin.
00:14:51.300 So that is why he's doing exactly that.
00:14:55.640 Andre, you're saying this to me,
00:14:58.300 and I've followed this closely,
00:14:59.940 obviously not as closely as either of you two at the table.
00:15:02.700 And I'll be honest with you, I'm profoundly shocked,
00:15:05.380 because what you seem to be talking about,
00:15:08.120 and forgive me for my historical illiteracy,
00:15:11.120 it's almost like a Hitler-like figure,
00:15:13.520 somebody who wants dominance over Europe.
00:15:15.500 That rings alarm bells in my head.
00:15:17.480 No, but it's not why it should be a surprise for you.
00:15:21.340 That's exactly the policy of Putin, what he was doing.
00:15:24.860 Actually, I have analysis of speech that Putin gave
00:15:30.420 to the same Valdai club that I mentioned before,
00:15:33.380 back in the year 2014.
00:15:35.480 And I recommend you just, if you're interested,
00:15:37.660 I give you a link to my analysis.
00:15:39.480 It's in Russian, but it's not difficult to translate into English,
00:15:42.400 because when I was speaking at some English-speaking audience,
00:15:46.500 I translated it into English, and it's available.
00:15:50.020 So it was actually, I spoke at Atlantic Council in April 2015,
00:15:57.520 where I spread this translation of this speech.
00:16:01.340 And I put speech of Putin in October year 2014,
00:16:06.360 one part of the page, a sheet,
00:16:09.820 and the other, the two letters that Adolf Hitler dictated
00:16:15.500 in August 1939 to Mr. Chamberlain,
00:16:25.120 then Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
00:16:28.320 So, and I found slightly more than 20 points
00:16:33.960 where the words of Putin almost word by word
00:16:39.600 coincide with Hitler's text.
00:16:44.400 Sometimes stylistics slightly different, but isn't the same,
00:16:48.100 but sometimes word by word.
00:16:50.140 And it is striking because those people,
00:16:54.300 speech writers in Kremlin,
00:16:55.380 who prepared speech for Putin in October 2014,
00:16:59.820 my suspicion, they never read Hitler,
00:17:02.680 because it is not available in Russian.
00:17:05.120 It is English or German, so you can see it.
00:17:08.500 And I doubt that even they would read it,
00:17:10.780 they would try to emanate what Hitler said back in 1939.
00:17:14.800 So they were writing what they think is necessary
00:17:20.340 and what would be suitable for Putin.
00:17:22.240 And Putin read it publicly.
00:17:24.560 This is an official public speech.
00:17:26.080 It is still on the Kremlin website.
00:17:28.100 Once again, it is more than 20 points that coincide
00:17:31.420 almost word by word.
00:17:33.160 So, which means, sorry, just,
00:17:35.500 which means that it is striking.
00:17:39.540 I agree with you that it's striking.
00:17:40.860 That the type of thinking, the type of conscience,
00:17:45.380 almost identical of these two persons,
00:17:47.900 because he was talking exactly about that.
00:17:50.280 He was talking about Poland, Hitler.
00:17:53.620 Yes.
00:17:54.140 As Putin was talking about Ukraine.
00:17:58.180 Hitler was talking about the Polish corridor,
00:18:00.560 exactly as Putin was talking about Crimea and Northern Tauria.
00:18:03.860 Hitler was talking about the, whatever,
00:18:08.460 humiliation that Germans experienced under Polish rule,
00:18:12.240 exactly as Putin was talking about the Russians
00:18:15.040 experiencing humiliation under so-called Ukrainian rule,
00:18:19.140 and so on and so on.
00:18:20.040 And he also was kind of explaining his vision
00:18:23.720 for the rest of the world there as well,
00:18:26.300 and about the idea how to divide world,
00:18:30.460 and first of all, Europe, between big powers,
00:18:33.660 between really big powers.
00:18:35.100 But back then, he suggested to Neville Chamberlain,
00:18:38.460 let's divide Europe.
00:18:40.060 I fully understand your interest.
00:18:42.380 I fully understand that you're a great power,
00:18:45.280 the kind of British empire.
00:18:46.980 I'm not going to fight with you.
00:18:49.760 Let's divide the world.
00:18:51.720 Let's divide Europe between us.
00:18:54.240 What Putin was suggesting back in the year 2014,
00:18:57.420 and after that many times in 2015,
00:19:00.120 back then to Obama,
00:19:02.340 and after that now to Trump.
00:19:03.900 Okay, let's divide the world.
00:19:06.060 Let's divide Europe.
00:19:07.500 So you have your interest somewhere else.
00:19:09.520 I fully respect your interest.
00:19:11.700 But this is not your interest.
00:19:13.800 No.
00:19:14.140 Okay, let's divide it.
00:19:15.340 Let's give it to me.
00:19:16.980 That is exactly the essence of Putin,
00:19:20.540 that completely repeating not only Stalin's approach back then,
00:19:24.820 but Hitler's approach.
00:19:26.420 And nobody should be shocked about that.
00:19:28.500 This is just fact.
00:19:29.560 This is reality.
00:19:30.560 You can check yourself,
00:19:31.800 and anyone who watches us right now
00:19:34.360 can take this text, read, and make this conclusion.
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00:21:04.620 So saying that,
00:21:07.220 and I believe what you're saying,
00:21:09.320 number one, that's terrifying.
00:21:11.280 Number two, when you look at Trump's approach
00:21:14.140 to negotiations with Putin,
00:21:16.020 it casts it in an even worse light
00:21:19.200 than before.
00:21:21.620 Because you're looking at him
00:21:23.600 and you're going,
00:21:24.320 is this appeasement?
00:21:26.480 Right.
00:21:27.200 This is, we're coming probably
00:21:28.620 to one of the most important
00:21:30.020 part of our conversation.
00:21:31.800 I don't know what else we can discuss,
00:21:33.660 but this is probably most important.
00:21:35.160 But before moving that,
00:21:36.600 at least I need to say that
00:21:38.440 we can see what Trump himself doing
00:21:41.440 and what his administration is doing
00:21:42.980 domestically within the United States.
00:21:45.860 Almost all,
00:21:47.020 or at least definitely a lot,
00:21:49.860 I would support.
00:21:51.020 Because I think it's absolutely reasonable,
00:21:52.860 absolutely right,
00:21:53.620 absolutely correct.
00:21:54.480 Just defense from the invasion
00:21:56.380 through southern border.
00:21:58.240 Absolutely correct.
00:21:59.400 Restoration of freedom of speech.
00:22:01.260 Wonderful.
00:22:01.580 All this elimination of this,
00:22:05.000 what I was,
00:22:07.000 DOE,
00:22:07.860 DIA,
00:22:09.060 just all this workism and so on
00:22:10.740 are absolutely necessary.
00:22:12.440 There are many other things
00:22:13.700 that Trump administration is doing
00:22:15.640 is absolutely correct.
00:22:17.160 And it's just,
00:22:17.820 I fully support it.
00:22:20.280 But when we're coming to the foreign policy
00:22:22.760 or international relations,
00:22:23.800 this is a shock.
00:22:24.860 Because it is not expected,
00:22:26.640 certainly by me,
00:22:27.800 it is not expected by many other people,
00:22:29.440 actually,
00:22:30.200 I never met anyone who understood it.
00:22:34.340 And for example,
00:22:35.120 Mayer Ferguson,
00:22:36.120 whom you definitely know,
00:22:38.220 so he himself said several times
00:22:40.300 over the last several weeks
00:22:43.240 that he never met any person in Europe
00:22:45.880 who understands the Trump policy
00:22:47.600 towards Europe
00:22:48.240 and international policy.
00:22:50.720 So now we're coming to the most important element,
00:22:54.200 I hope in our discussion
00:22:55.280 and probably over the current days,
00:22:57.940 weeks and months.
00:22:58.720 So what is the policy of Mr. Trump?
00:23:02.440 What is his actual vision
00:23:03.800 based on which he's trying to implement some policies?
00:23:08.100 And my understanding
00:23:09.080 that it's not an appeasement
00:23:11.460 because for Mr. Chamberlain,
00:23:13.500 it was an appeasement
00:23:14.460 because Mr. Chamberlain
00:23:16.020 was a person coming from the First World War
00:23:18.840 in which Britain,
00:23:21.860 France and other countries
00:23:23.160 lost a lot of people.
00:23:25.480 And that is why they understood
00:23:27.900 that there is nothing worse
00:23:29.580 than the war
00:23:30.420 in which hundreds of thousands,
00:23:32.860 if not millions of people
00:23:33.860 have been killed
00:23:34.840 without any reasonable explanation,
00:23:38.680 whatever.
00:23:39.220 So that is why their position was
00:23:41.220 to avoid war at any cost.
00:23:43.540 And that is why they tried to appease
00:23:46.060 until some point
00:23:48.320 because after some point,
00:23:50.060 even Chamberlain has changed his position.
00:23:53.020 It was Chamberlain who announced,
00:23:55.180 who pronounced the war
00:23:56.340 against Germany,
00:23:58.940 against Nazi Germany
00:23:59.800 after invasion into Poland.
00:24:01.620 It was not Churchill.
00:24:02.660 Churchill came later.
00:24:03.360 So that is why even Chamberlain
00:24:05.340 understood that it was a mistake
00:24:06.900 of his position before
00:24:08.520 and he has changed his mind
00:24:10.560 and he has changed his position
00:24:11.980 and he brought Britain
00:24:15.040 into this war,
00:24:16.420 to this absolute eddle.
00:24:18.040 Right?
00:24:18.720 So, but coming to Mr. Trump,
00:24:22.420 whether we have here appeasement,
00:24:24.640 I would try to find different words.
00:24:27.680 Okay.
00:24:27.940 But definitely it reminds appeasement policy
00:24:31.940 of the late 1930s in Europe
00:24:33.900 because the position of Trump,
00:24:36.600 as I understand it,
00:24:37.700 especially now after these two months
00:24:39.460 of his administration,
00:24:41.460 is a different one.
00:24:43.480 Mr. Chamberlain was not in a position
00:24:45.960 to divide world or Europe
00:24:48.340 with Hitler or with Stalin.
00:24:50.700 It was not his position.
00:24:53.500 Mr. Trump's position exactly at that.
00:24:55.660 He is looking for strategic alliance
00:25:01.480 with China.
00:25:03.160 Or, sorry,
00:25:04.060 he's looking for strategic alliance
00:25:05.960 against China
00:25:06.780 because he considers China
00:25:08.780 as the most important enemy
00:25:11.560 of the United States.
00:25:13.520 It was his position back
00:25:14.560 in the first term and now terms.
00:25:18.240 So, and he understands that
00:25:19.920 the resources and capabilities
00:25:22.460 of the United States are limited.
00:25:24.440 Europe is not a big ally
00:25:26.520 in this potential battle with China.
00:25:30.560 So that is why he's looking
00:25:32.620 for potential allies.
00:25:34.380 With all due respect to other allies
00:25:36.760 whom Mr. Biden tried to put
00:25:39.260 into whatever the quad organization,
00:25:42.720 he does not consider them
00:25:44.800 as serious resource.
00:25:46.340 So that is why he's looking for Russia.
00:25:48.700 And that is why he has arrived to idea,
00:25:52.280 as I understand him once again,
00:25:54.460 that Russia might play a role
00:25:57.120 or whatever,
00:25:57.640 deterrent, ally,
00:25:59.000 whatever for,
00:26:00.040 deterrent against China,
00:26:01.280 ally to the United States.
00:26:02.780 So he's trying to play
00:26:04.180 the so-called Nixon's policy
00:26:06.360 vice versa.
00:26:08.580 So Nixon's Kissinger policy
00:26:10.500 was just to take China
00:26:13.100 out of the Soviet Union
00:26:14.460 to put them against.
00:26:15.640 And that is why to deal
00:26:17.020 with what they had considered
00:26:19.520 the goal number one,
00:26:22.160 the Soviet Union.
00:26:23.340 So now Trump is,
00:26:25.200 once again,
00:26:25.680 as I understand him,
00:26:27.000 he's trying to reverse
00:26:28.200 this game.
00:26:29.660 He would try,
00:26:30.520 we know that Trump likes
00:26:31.980 Nixon very much.
00:26:33.200 He considered,
00:26:34.160 to some extent,
00:26:34.920 his successor
00:26:36.020 in policy.
00:26:37.640 He's trying to,
00:26:39.080 some kind of,
00:26:39.680 to take Russia
00:26:40.720 out of China
00:26:41.680 to exploit
00:26:43.100 in the long-term
00:26:44.340 battle against China.
00:26:46.520 So,
00:26:47.600 that being the case,
00:26:50.080 what it seems more and more,
00:26:51.480 and please correct me
00:26:52.300 if I'm wrong,
00:26:53.060 is that Trump
00:26:54.040 is essentially
00:26:54.920 seeing Ukraine
00:26:56.060 as nothing more
00:26:57.040 than a pawn
00:26:57.760 because
00:26:58.740 the most important to him
00:27:00.540 is fostering
00:27:01.960 American-Russian relations
00:27:03.700 so that
00:27:05.280 they can then
00:27:06.500 pressure China
00:27:07.380 and then they're
00:27:08.040 united against China.
00:27:09.600 China is more important
00:27:10.640 to him than Ukraine.
00:27:12.560 And as a result of that,
00:27:14.040 he's far more interested
00:27:15.240 in pursuing relations
00:27:16.560 with Putin
00:27:17.360 and Zelensky
00:27:18.920 and the fate
00:27:19.720 of the Ukrainian people
00:27:20.760 comes second.
00:27:22.920 Is that fair?
00:27:24.000 Francis,
00:27:24.680 I would just,
00:27:25.560 generally I would agree
00:27:26.700 with your sages,
00:27:27.460 it's not second.
00:27:28.520 It's irrelevant.
00:27:30.200 For Trump,
00:27:31.060 Ukraine,
00:27:32.060 Ukrainian people,
00:27:33.080 everything is irrelevant.
00:27:34.940 This is easy,
00:27:36.600 something,
00:27:37.160 very easy stuff,
00:27:38.340 or you use pawn,
00:27:39.340 whatever,
00:27:39.860 that can be given
00:27:40.860 to Putin
00:27:42.040 and actually
00:27:42.560 must be given
00:27:43.500 to Putin
00:27:44.140 to satisfy him
00:27:45.880 and just to
00:27:46.980 lure him
00:27:47.780 into the so-called
00:27:49.060 alliance with Trump.
00:27:51.320 So that is why
00:27:52.160 for him
00:27:52.980 it is absolutely,
00:27:54.020 I would say,
00:27:54.600 just cynical,
00:27:55.860 but in the world
00:27:57.200 of politics
00:27:57.740 it's regular stuff.
00:27:59.540 It's absolutely cynical.
00:28:01.220 Ukraine means
00:28:02.320 nothing
00:28:02.800 for Trump.
00:28:05.140 So this is
00:28:06.720 realist
00:28:07.700 sphere of influence
00:28:08.940 politics.
00:28:09.300 It's a kind of
00:28:09.860 real politics
00:28:10.580 as they're discussing.
00:28:11.960 This is the big guys.
00:28:13.480 Look,
00:28:13.740 we're big men,
00:28:14.700 we control this part,
00:28:15.700 you control that part,
00:28:16.520 let's divide what's in the middle.
00:28:17.740 Yes, it's a great power.
00:28:18.460 So that is why
00:28:19.620 Mr. Vitkov
00:28:20.400 in his recent interview
00:28:22.440 easily has said,
00:28:24.100 okay,
00:28:24.420 Ukraine is a false country.
00:28:26.060 He repeated what
00:28:26.980 has been said
00:28:27.800 by Putin.
00:28:29.660 This is what I was
00:28:30.180 going to ask you about.
00:28:30.820 Sorry,
00:28:32.100 just to say
00:28:33.000 it is important
00:28:34.160 to underscore
00:28:34.820 that Ukraine,
00:28:37.140 fate of Ukraine,
00:28:38.780 and not only fate of Ukraine,
00:28:40.320 fate of Europe,
00:28:41.800 is not,
00:28:42.620 Ukraine does not exist at all.
00:28:44.840 Europe may be secondary
00:28:45.800 as I would use
00:28:47.400 your terminology,
00:28:48.760 but Ukraine does not exist
00:28:49.960 in these calculations
00:28:51.380 at all
00:28:52.040 because
00:28:52.720 from this point of view,
00:28:54.700 Ukraine belongs
00:28:55.400 to the Russian sphere
00:28:56.220 of influence,
00:28:57.780 Russian sphere of control,
00:28:59.660 and that is why
00:29:00.280 the business
00:29:00.900 of Mr. Trump
00:29:01.860 is just to silence
00:29:03.700 Ukraine as much
00:29:04.840 as possible,
00:29:05.840 to silence Zelensky,
00:29:07.060 to silence anyone
00:29:08.100 who,
00:29:08.600 because it's a problem
00:29:09.380 not of Zelensky,
00:29:10.480 it's a problem
00:29:10.940 of the very existence
00:29:12.420 of Ukraine.
00:29:13.160 So,
00:29:13.420 it is not relevant
00:29:15.240 for Trump at all.
00:29:16.880 So that is why
00:29:17.520 by giving
00:29:18.120 this gift
00:29:19.440 to Putin,
00:29:20.860 Trump is hoping
00:29:22.360 that he would be able
00:29:23.820 to create
00:29:24.440 a new alliance
00:29:25.480 with Putin,
00:29:26.940 or at least
00:29:27.580 to try to get
00:29:28.320 him from
00:29:29.460 China,
00:29:30.520 and that is why
00:29:31.120 to deal with China.
00:29:32.600 So I'm just,
00:29:33.600 it's another story
00:29:34.480 how it is
00:29:35.720 mistaking,
00:29:37.720 that it is impossible
00:29:38.680 to achieve,
00:29:39.420 that's another story.
00:29:40.280 Well,
00:29:40.340 we'll talk about this.
00:29:41.000 Yeah,
00:29:41.260 but we're not talking
00:29:42.060 about whether it's
00:29:42.960 possible or not,
00:29:43.860 but we're trying
00:29:44.600 to reconstruct
00:29:46.760 his conscience,
00:29:48.080 his ideas,
00:29:49.260 his mindset,
00:29:50.420 and what we have seen
00:29:52.280 and what we have watched
00:29:53.580 over the last two months,
00:29:55.220 and it's,
00:29:57.680 we arrived
00:29:58.660 to this conclusion.
00:29:59.640 Okay.
00:30:00.440 So,
00:30:00.940 one of the things,
00:30:02.460 this got a lot
00:30:04.660 of traction
00:30:05.140 in the media.
00:30:05.900 There was a conversation
00:30:06.640 between the American
00:30:07.560 presenter,
00:30:08.960 podcaster,
00:30:09.660 Tucker Carlson,
00:30:10.820 and Steve Vitkoff,
00:30:12.160 who is the US
00:30:13.200 special envoy,
00:30:14.520 who is in charge
00:30:15.320 of negotiating
00:30:16.080 a peace deal
00:30:16.680 with Ukraine,
00:30:17.280 and also in Israel
00:30:18.540 and Hamas.
00:30:20.300 And they talked
00:30:21.120 about those two issues,
00:30:22.200 but we'll focus
00:30:22.800 on the Ukraine
00:30:23.380 side of things.
00:30:24.520 He said a lot
00:30:25.560 of things
00:30:26.600 in that interview
00:30:27.580 that are just
00:30:29.080 factually incorrect.
00:30:31.260 He said,
00:30:31.800 he said that
00:30:32.980 the five areas
00:30:34.440 that Russia controls,
00:30:35.800 which it doesn't
00:30:36.360 control fully,
00:30:37.060 by the way,
00:30:37.940 were given to Ukraine
00:30:39.560 by Khrushchev,
00:30:40.660 who was a Ukrainian.
00:30:41.760 That's not true.
00:30:42.700 They weren't given
00:30:43.280 to Ukraine.
00:30:44.420 Only Crimea was,
00:30:45.960 Khrushchev was not Ukrainian.
00:30:48.020 And not by Khrushchev,
00:30:48.900 by the way.
00:30:49.460 It was in time of Khrushchev,
00:30:50.780 but not by Khrushchev himself,
00:30:52.320 because the decision
00:30:52.960 has been taken by Stalin.
00:30:54.700 But Stalin died
00:30:55.680 by that time,
00:30:56.560 and so it was
00:30:57.260 only in time of Khrushchev
00:30:58.900 they fulfilled this.
00:30:59.940 And it's not because,
00:31:01.200 of the Ukrainian-Russian
00:31:02.300 religion,
00:31:02.780 but because
00:31:03.440 of economic issues
00:31:04.820 of restoration
00:31:06.140 of Crimea
00:31:07.140 after the war.
00:31:08.240 That's an interesting
00:31:09.040 different story,
00:31:09.920 but it is completely
00:31:10.760 misguided
00:31:11.780 and completely falsified
00:31:13.120 in the English-speaking media.
00:31:14.720 It is.
00:31:14.860 So nobody's talking about that.
00:31:16.420 I don't want to get
00:31:18.040 too far into the details
00:31:19.180 of that.
00:31:19.740 I think what I'm saying
00:31:21.160 is you as an expert
00:31:22.560 and me as a layman
00:31:23.360 would both agree
00:31:24.180 that there were lots
00:31:25.160 and lots and lots of things
00:31:26.160 that he said,
00:31:26.900 those are just two
00:31:27.780 easy examples,
00:31:29.260 which completely
00:31:30.100 misrepresent
00:31:30.780 the factual reality.
00:31:32.240 What they do represent
00:31:33.380 is the Kremlin position.
00:31:35.840 Right?
00:31:36.220 So why is the U.S.
00:31:37.660 Special Envoy
00:31:38.460 saying things
00:31:40.400 that have no connection
00:31:41.940 to the truth
00:31:42.640 but have every connection
00:31:43.620 to Kremlin propaganda?
00:31:44.680 Why is that happening, Andrei?
00:31:45.940 No, it's, first of all,
00:31:47.040 the fact
00:31:47.500 of unbelievable incompetence
00:31:50.500 and outright ignorance
00:31:51.820 of the facts
00:31:54.280 on the ground.
00:31:55.420 because he had been
00:31:58.140 appointed
00:31:58.440 in this position
00:31:59.160 back then,
00:32:00.340 whatever,
00:32:00.640 in November or December,
00:32:01.940 so he had at least
00:32:03.260 some time
00:32:03.860 to accumulate
00:32:04.540 this knowledge.
00:32:05.640 But it's clear
00:32:06.620 that he's not interested
00:32:07.620 in that
00:32:08.120 because it's not
00:32:10.460 a very big business
00:32:12.000 just to have two clicks
00:32:13.100 and to find out
00:32:13.920 what is the ethnicity
00:32:15.080 of Mr. Khrushchev.
00:32:16.040 It's just English-speaking
00:32:16.980 Wikipedia
00:32:17.440 is telling it openly.
00:32:19.320 It's not a rocket science.
00:32:22.020 So that is why,
00:32:23.460 and by the way,
00:32:24.380 the question is,
00:32:25.060 he bragged,
00:32:26.520 I mean,
00:32:26.840 just Mr. Witkoff bragged
00:32:27.880 that he spent
00:32:28.880 almost eight hours
00:32:29.760 with Putin
00:32:30.280 just to produce
00:32:32.540 an impression
00:32:33.040 on his English-speaking listeners.
00:32:36.080 But the question
00:32:36.740 is very simple.
00:32:37.660 How many seconds
00:32:39.280 he spent with Ukrainians?
00:32:42.080 And the answer
00:32:42.900 is very clear,
00:32:43.580 zero.
00:32:44.680 So that is why
00:32:45.400 how he could be
00:32:46.700 any envoy
00:32:47.660 on these particular issues
00:32:49.160 if he is listening
00:32:50.720 to only one side,
00:32:52.460 being completely ignorant
00:32:53.640 in these issues,
00:32:56.560 never been,
00:32:57.380 neither before
00:32:58.300 this travel,
00:32:59.200 it seems to me,
00:32:59.740 never been to Russia,
00:33:00.660 never been to Ukraine,
00:33:02.000 understanding nothing
00:33:03.420 about this story,
00:33:04.820 about history,
00:33:05.740 about international relations,
00:33:07.720 about security.
00:33:08.860 He admitted
00:33:10.240 just in the last interview
00:33:12.100 that he has been duped
00:33:13.480 by Hamas.
00:33:14.380 Okay,
00:33:14.640 so just,
00:33:15.420 he's on such an age
00:33:16.900 that it's
00:33:17.740 the kind of
00:33:18.700 demonstrating
00:33:19.220 such a quality
00:33:20.200 is just
00:33:21.720 only confirming
00:33:22.440 that he is
00:33:23.380 not suited
00:33:24.300 for this job.
00:33:26.400 Before,
00:33:27.180 just,
00:33:27.900 the people
00:33:28.600 on the other side,
00:33:29.900 for example,
00:33:30.920 on the Russian side,
00:33:31.620 the people spend
00:33:32.220 all life,
00:33:33.400 sometimes 40 years,
00:33:34.400 sometimes 50 years,
00:33:35.760 starting these issues,
00:33:36.860 they are incomparable,
00:33:38.460 or he is incomparable
00:33:39.340 to them.
00:33:40.220 So that is why
00:33:40.840 to manipulate him
00:33:41.860 that he says
00:33:42.760 that it is impossible,
00:33:44.240 it is easy
00:33:44.900 because he is
00:33:45.500 from kindergarten,
00:33:46.260 and he does not
00:33:47.160 understand anything
00:33:47.920 about that.
00:33:50.040 Just,
00:33:50.380 you mentioned
00:33:50.660 a couple of cases,
00:33:51.560 but there is not only
00:33:52.360 these cases
00:33:52.820 versus Ukraine
00:33:53.720 or versus these regions
00:33:54.880 or versus Khrushchev
00:33:56.160 or versus what's going on,
00:33:58.020 but just,
00:33:58.760 he said,
00:33:59.340 just,
00:33:59.640 okay,
00:33:59.980 if Iran,
00:34:01.820 whatever,
00:34:02.260 just he was talking about
00:34:03.260 on different topics
00:34:04.100 that a plan
00:34:05.440 of President Trump
00:34:07.100 would be implemented,
00:34:08.040 so Iran would come back
00:34:09.520 to international community
00:34:10.700 and Iran
00:34:11.960 would join
00:34:12.900 League of Nations.
00:34:16.060 It's on record.
00:34:17.620 It's on record
00:34:18.200 in this interview
00:34:19.200 and in the transcript.
00:34:20.940 So that is why,
00:34:22.320 what are we talking about?
00:34:23.920 It's not about
00:34:24.860 whatever the names
00:34:25.840 of the four
00:34:26.540 or five Ukrainian regions
00:34:28.720 partially occupied
00:34:30.720 by Russian troops.
00:34:32.220 It's about basic knowledge
00:34:34.240 about the current world.
00:34:35.640 It's not about
00:34:36.580 United Nations.
00:34:37.620 It's about
00:34:38.040 League of Nations.
00:34:39.220 So that is why,
00:34:40.860 once again,
00:34:41.480 we are dealing
00:34:42.320 with a problem,
00:34:43.140 certainly we have
00:34:43.820 incompetence,
00:34:44.620 we have ignorance,
00:34:46.000 and we have,
00:34:46.880 it's kind of,
00:34:47.460 if people of such level
00:34:48.920 incompetent,
00:34:50.080 ignorant,
00:34:50.940 it's not a very big business
00:34:52.340 to be,
00:34:53.100 to manipulate them,
00:34:54.880 especially by those
00:34:56.180 who spend all their life
00:34:57.960 in that particular profession.
00:35:00.000 And especially
00:35:00.500 your argument
00:35:01.220 is because actually,
00:35:03.500 why not send someone
00:35:05.320 like that in
00:35:06.380 to negotiate?
00:35:07.080 Because ultimately
00:35:07.720 what you care about
00:35:08.400 is just get this
00:35:09.040 wrapped up,
00:35:09.540 it doesn't really matter
00:35:10.500 how this ends,
00:35:11.560 we need to deal
00:35:12.540 with this quickly
00:35:13.080 because we've got
00:35:13.820 China to deal with.
00:35:14.780 That's exactly the point
00:35:16.120 because the support
00:35:17.180 that Mr. Vitkov
00:35:18.480 has received
00:35:19.200 from Mr. Vance
00:35:20.860 confirms this logic
00:35:23.420 because for them
00:35:24.640 it is not important.
00:35:26.060 That's irrelevant.
00:35:27.420 What is going
00:35:27.980 in Ukraine,
00:35:28.900 whether five regions
00:35:29.760 or 15 regions
00:35:30.480 or 50 regions,
00:35:31.660 doesn't matter at all
00:35:32.840 because for them
00:35:34.160 they have
00:35:34.620 kind of the main goal.
00:35:36.340 The main goal,
00:35:37.100 and by the way,
00:35:37.740 Mr. Vitkov
00:35:38.300 was some kind
00:35:39.180 of courageous enough
00:35:40.040 to explain
00:35:41.000 the main goal
00:35:41.800 is to have friendship
00:35:42.940 with Russia,
00:35:44.220 to have business
00:35:44.960 with Russia,
00:35:45.520 to have economic relations.
00:35:46.720 Let's have energy projects,
00:35:48.260 let's have projects
00:35:48.940 in Arctic,
00:35:50.060 let's have a project
00:35:51.180 in artificial intelligence,
00:35:52.780 let's have projects
00:35:54.140 in technologies,
00:35:55.360 let's have everything
00:35:56.420 just to bring
00:35:57.940 Russia together,
00:36:00.260 closer,
00:36:00.940 to the United States,
00:36:02.020 regardless
00:36:02.900 what price
00:36:03.720 must be paid
00:36:04.520 for that
00:36:05.000 because for them
00:36:06.420 this is a goal
00:36:08.160 number one.
00:36:09.080 This is absolute goal.
00:36:10.140 Okay,
00:36:10.680 well,
00:36:11.080 let's,
00:36:12.140 look,
00:36:12.580 I think
00:36:13.360 we should have
00:36:14.360 this discussion fairly
00:36:15.440 which is to say
00:36:16.360 look,
00:36:17.740 morality is morality
00:36:18.880 and we all have
00:36:19.700 our own personal morality
00:36:20.780 and right and wrong
00:36:21.940 or whatever
00:36:22.280 but when it comes
00:36:22.980 to great power
00:36:24.020 stuff,
00:36:25.500 you know,
00:36:25.800 these considerations
00:36:26.640 come in too
00:36:27.340 and why not
00:36:28.560 have peace
00:36:29.220 with one of the biggest
00:36:30.000 countries in the world
00:36:30.780 and trade and so on.
00:36:32.720 My argument
00:36:33.600 has always been
00:36:34.840 that I think
00:36:35.640 that if the Ukraine
00:36:36.520 conflict ends
00:36:37.900 in a way
00:36:38.400 that doesn't produce
00:36:39.440 long-term security
00:36:40.420 for Ukraine,
00:36:41.500 this will happen again.
00:36:43.320 The invasion
00:36:44.040 that happened
00:36:44.660 in 2014
00:36:45.420 and in 2022
00:36:46.720 is likely
00:36:47.960 to be repeated again
00:36:48.980 because there's
00:36:49.520 no reason why
00:36:50.100 it wouldn't
00:36:50.820 and Steve Witkoff
00:36:52.720 says,
00:36:53.120 well,
00:36:53.280 no,
00:36:53.500 they've got the regions
00:36:54.540 that they wanted,
00:36:55.640 why would they keep going?
00:36:57.100 It's not very persuasive
00:36:58.360 to me.
00:36:58.940 What do you think?
00:36:59.620 Your logic
00:37:02.960 is understandable
00:37:03.600 but you're
00:37:04.580 thinking that
00:37:06.760 it will be peace,
00:37:08.180 at least some
00:37:08.600 short-term peace.
00:37:09.600 I don't think
00:37:10.080 that there will be
00:37:10.560 any short-term peace
00:37:11.420 because all these
00:37:12.640 negotiations
00:37:13.520 would lead
00:37:15.160 to only one
00:37:16.320 possible result,
00:37:17.720 to capitulation
00:37:18.440 of Ukraine.
00:37:19.960 And
00:37:20.240 either Witkoff
00:37:21.820 or Wentz
00:37:22.900 or even
00:37:23.620 President Trump
00:37:24.320 in many
00:37:25.500 their comments
00:37:26.780 are hinting
00:37:29.140 on this
00:37:29.760 particular
00:37:30.480 outcome.
00:37:32.080 Just for them,
00:37:33.020 it will be
00:37:33.460 not a very big
00:37:34.100 surprise,
00:37:34.620 not a very big
00:37:35.120 shock.
00:37:36.120 And the capitulation
00:37:36.880 of Ukraine
00:37:37.520 because
00:37:38.080 what they're
00:37:39.140 talking about,
00:37:39.840 whatever,
00:37:40.240 ceasefire
00:37:40.800 and so on,
00:37:42.300 with stop
00:37:43.120 of providing
00:37:44.340 military aid
00:37:45.180 or intelligence
00:37:46.140 or whatever
00:37:46.600 means
00:37:47.360 because
00:37:49.000 stop with
00:37:50.020 mobilization
00:37:50.800 or with all
00:37:51.480 those efforts
00:37:51.900 to bring
00:37:52.320 necessary people
00:37:53.420 into the
00:37:54.040 armed forces
00:37:54.560 of Ukraine
00:37:55.040 mean that
00:37:56.040 Ukraine will
00:37:56.900 be subjugated.
00:37:59.140 If Ukraine
00:38:00.040 will be subjugated
00:38:00.980 and this is
00:38:01.420 an obvious result
00:38:02.360 of these efforts
00:38:03.140 because
00:38:03.500 Putin has
00:38:04.700 proclaimed
00:38:05.980 his goal
00:38:06.880 about Ukraine
00:38:07.920 not now,
00:38:10.000 not in yet
00:38:10.500 2022
00:38:11.120 as people are
00:38:11.940 talking about
00:38:12.360 last three years,
00:38:13.160 not in yet
00:38:13.840 2014
00:38:14.580 with occupation
00:38:16.220 and annexation
00:38:17.120 of Crimea.
00:38:17.800 He proclaimed
00:38:18.500 in the year
00:38:18.900 2003.
00:38:21.320 So it's,
00:38:22.140 it is absolutely
00:38:22.880 irrelevant
00:38:23.460 with Zelensky
00:38:24.380 or not Zelensky,
00:38:25.300 with Poroshenko
00:38:25.880 or not Poroshenko,
00:38:26.860 with this regime
00:38:27.600 in Ukraine
00:38:28.040 or not this regime
00:38:28.880 in Ukraine.
00:38:29.500 It is not related
00:38:30.380 with NATO
00:38:31.080 or Ukraine
00:38:32.360 in NATO
00:38:33.020 or membership
00:38:33.580 or this map
00:38:34.580 to NATO,
00:38:35.520 nothing.
00:38:36.280 In the year 2003
00:38:37.280 Ukraine was
00:38:37.940 the closest
00:38:38.700 partner of Russia
00:38:40.320 and the
00:38:41.620 opinion polls
00:38:42.540 in Ukraine
00:38:43.080 showed the
00:38:43.800 highest support
00:38:44.860 for whom
00:38:45.520 among political
00:38:46.840 leaders,
00:38:47.640 among Ukrainians.
00:38:49.400 The highest
00:38:49.920 position was not
00:38:50.980 Mr. Kuchma,
00:38:52.620 the president
00:38:53.040 of Ukraine
00:38:53.780 back then,
00:38:54.820 nor Mr.
00:38:55.760 whoever would
00:38:56.780 be there.
00:38:57.680 It was for
00:38:58.220 Putin.
00:38:59.440 Ukraine was
00:39:00.060 completely pro-Putin
00:39:01.280 back then
00:39:01.820 in year 2003.
00:39:03.700 So that is why
00:39:04.340 it was not a
00:39:04.920 problem of
00:39:05.400 any discussions
00:39:06.640 or any problems
00:39:07.500 or battles
00:39:07.960 between Russia
00:39:08.580 and Ukraine.
00:39:09.360 It was imperial
00:39:10.200 ideas of
00:39:11.820 Mr. Putin
00:39:12.360 when in
00:39:12.900 year 2003
00:39:13.580 he proclaimed
00:39:14.400 that he has
00:39:15.400 territorial claims
00:39:16.720 to Ukraine
00:39:17.280 and he started
00:39:18.280 this provocation
00:39:20.700 at Tuzla
00:39:22.480 Island
00:39:22.920 in the
00:39:23.760 Strait of
00:39:24.200 Kerch
00:39:24.540 between Black
00:39:25.980 Sea and
00:39:26.460 the Sea of
00:39:27.040 Zoff.
00:39:27.740 So it was
00:39:28.460 on September
00:39:29.460 17th
00:39:30.900 year 2003
00:39:31.800 when Putin
00:39:33.000 collected
00:39:33.780 the all
00:39:34.660 military
00:39:35.820 diplomatic
00:39:36.600 and intelligence
00:39:37.840 community
00:39:38.500 in small
00:39:39.380 city
00:39:39.760 Yeysk
00:39:40.260 of
00:39:40.500 Krasnodar
00:39:40.900 region
00:39:41.340 in Russia
00:39:42.760 where he
00:39:43.620 proclaimed
00:39:44.160 that okay
00:39:44.700 we need
00:39:45.360 to military
00:39:46.640 diplomatic
00:39:47.160 solution
00:39:47.820 to the
00:39:48.320 territorial
00:39:48.780 issues
00:39:49.500 that we
00:39:50.120 have
00:39:50.300 between
00:39:50.600 Russia
00:39:50.900 and Ukraine.
00:39:52.200 Nobody
00:39:52.880 ever
00:39:53.380 was talking
00:39:54.260 about
00:39:54.700 NATO
00:39:55.160 back then
00:39:56.580 in Ukraine
00:39:57.720 or anywhere
00:39:58.320 else.
00:39:59.280 So Ukraine
00:40:00.020 was pro-Putin
00:40:00.980 pro-Russian
00:40:01.620 back then.
00:40:02.500 So that is
00:40:02.920 what a long
00:40:03.700 imperial project
00:40:04.900 to subjugate
00:40:06.160 whole Ukraine.
00:40:07.840 So that is
00:40:08.220 what will
00:40:08.940 happen
00:40:09.380 if
00:40:10.540 that those
00:40:11.260 negotiations
00:40:12.200 for ceasefire
00:40:13.120 over peace
00:40:13.920 will succeed
00:40:15.360 according to
00:40:16.220 efforts
00:40:16.600 or thanks
00:40:17.600 to efforts
00:40:18.140 of Mr.
00:40:19.160 Witko
00:40:19.440 Wenz
00:40:19.780 or
00:40:20.240 President
00:40:21.320 Trump.
00:40:22.220 If Ukraine
00:40:23.340 will be
00:40:23.800 subjugated
00:40:24.420 by Putin
00:40:25.640 so that is
00:40:26.660 why the
00:40:27.200 armed forces
00:40:27.820 of Ukraine
00:40:28.360 which is
00:40:28.760 now about
00:40:29.220 800,000
00:40:30.240 of military
00:40:31.780 very well
00:40:32.860 trained
00:40:33.420 reasonably
00:40:34.300 equipped
00:40:35.020 battle
00:40:36.120 hardened
00:40:36.620 would join
00:40:38.180 Russian
00:40:38.720 army.
00:40:40.200 Certainly
00:40:40.720 with some
00:40:41.180 cleansing
00:40:41.660 for officer
00:40:42.460 corps
00:40:42.800 because
00:40:43.480 some
00:40:43.900 kind
00:40:44.060 of
00:40:44.220 the
00:40:44.600 patriotic
00:40:45.080 Ukrainians
00:40:46.020 will be
00:40:46.560 cleansed
00:40:47.320 from
00:40:47.600 this
00:40:47.920 army
00:40:48.280 and that
00:40:49.040 is why
00:40:49.380 Russian
00:40:49.740 army
00:40:49.980 which is
00:40:50.320 now
00:40:50.600 I mean
00:40:51.100 the battle
00:40:51.600 forces
00:40:52.760 1.5
00:40:53.540 million
00:40:53.840 will be
00:40:54.780 roughly
00:40:55.080 speaking
00:40:55.420 2 million
00:40:55.920 or 2.5
00:40:56.600 or whatever
00:40:57.080 just between
00:40:57.800 that.
00:40:58.780 And now
00:40:59.020 we can
00:40:59.480 look into
00:40:59.940 the
00:41:00.480 military
00:41:01.260 forces
00:41:01.640 of
00:41:02.120 European
00:41:02.500 countries
00:41:03.040 the
00:41:04.360 largest
00:41:04.660 will be
00:41:04.960 200,000.
00:41:06.700 What
00:41:07.000 could
00:41:07.800 any
00:41:08.720 European
00:41:09.080 countries
00:41:09.660 or all
00:41:10.280 those
00:41:10.480 European
00:41:10.780 countries
00:41:11.180 together
00:41:11.600 to do
00:41:12.500 with the
00:41:13.140 two
00:41:13.900 best
00:41:14.440 most
00:41:15.940 experienced
00:41:16.640 armies
00:41:17.600 of the
00:41:18.060 current
00:41:18.300 day
00:41:18.560 Russian
00:41:19.560 and Ukrainian
00:41:20.260 combined
00:41:20.780 nothing.
00:41:22.780 What they
00:41:23.540 could do
00:41:24.180 for example
00:41:25.340 in defense
00:41:25.960 of Baltic
00:41:26.420 countries
00:41:26.800 nothing.
00:41:28.160 Now
00:41:28.560 Baltic
00:41:29.180 countries
00:41:29.420 have no
00:41:29.840 doubt
00:41:30.200 so just
00:41:30.820 this
00:41:31.260 Article 5
00:41:32.240 does not
00:41:32.620 apply to
00:41:33.240 with the
00:41:34.480 current
00:41:34.760 US
00:41:35.160 administration
00:41:35.620 does not
00:41:36.000 apply to
00:41:36.400 Baltic
00:41:36.680 countries.
00:41:37.420 Nobody
00:41:37.620 would do
00:41:37.940 anything.
00:41:38.480 Why do you
00:41:39.580 say it
00:41:39.800 doesn't
00:41:40.000 apply?
00:41:40.220 It's not
00:41:40.500 me.
00:41:41.020 It's
00:41:41.240 Baltic
00:41:41.560 countries.
00:41:42.040 They
00:41:42.160 came to
00:41:42.440 this
00:41:42.620 conclusion
00:41:43.000 after
00:41:43.360 these
00:41:43.540 two
00:41:43.700 months.
00:41:44.300 I
00:41:44.380 talked
00:41:44.600 a lot
00:41:45.120 to
00:41:45.360 people
00:41:46.940 in
00:41:47.180 the
00:41:47.280 Baltic
00:41:47.540 countries.
00:41:48.420 They
00:41:48.660 came
00:41:49.360 to
00:41:49.520 absolute
00:41:49.980 conclusion
00:41:50.480 that
00:41:50.840 they
00:41:51.620 would not
00:41:52.420 be
00:41:52.600 supported
00:41:52.960 by the
00:41:54.120 United
00:41:54.340 States.
00:41:55.040 And
00:41:55.160 that
00:41:55.380 by the
00:41:57.420 world
00:41:57.860 main
00:41:58.500 security
00:41:59.360 guarantees
00:41:59.840 for
00:42:00.100 Europe.
00:42:00.900 Not
00:42:01.300 for
00:42:01.440 Ukraine.
00:42:01.780 Now
00:42:01.880 we're
00:42:02.040 talking
00:42:02.220 not
00:42:02.440 about
00:42:03.040 Ukraine.
00:42:03.720 About
00:42:04.100 Europe.
00:42:04.920 And
00:42:05.180 now
00:42:05.400 all of
00:42:05.760 a sudden
00:42:06.200 Europe
00:42:06.940 recognized
00:42:07.820 that
00:42:08.700 they
00:42:08.900 don't
00:42:09.180 have
00:42:09.560 US
00:42:10.940 support.
00:42:11.800 You
00:42:12.240 might
00:42:12.820 not
00:42:13.080 have
00:42:13.440 US
00:42:14.240 nuclear
00:42:14.700 umbrella
00:42:15.160 over
00:42:16.620 Europe.
00:42:17.320 And
00:42:17.600 that
00:42:17.760 is
00:42:17.900 why
00:42:18.240 they
00:42:18.800 are
00:42:19.120 left
00:42:19.380 alone
00:42:19.900 in
00:42:20.620 front
00:42:20.880 of
00:42:21.060 the
00:42:21.240 potential
00:42:21.740 real
00:42:22.840 aggressor.
00:42:23.740 So
00:42:23.980 that
00:42:24.180 is
00:42:24.340 why
00:42:24.640 coming
00:42:25.100 back
00:42:25.420 what
00:42:25.820 would
00:42:26.140 lead
00:42:26.460 to
00:42:26.700 the
00:42:26.940 so-called
00:42:27.300 negotiations
00:42:27.900 about
00:42:28.260 ceasefire.
00:42:29.520 So
00:42:29.660 at
00:42:30.400 the
00:42:30.560 gate
00:42:30.780 of
00:42:30.980 Europe
00:42:31.320 will
00:42:31.840 be
00:42:32.140 largest
00:42:32.820 most
00:42:33.220 experienced
00:42:33.920 in the
00:42:34.560 modern
00:42:34.840 warfare
00:42:35.420 army
00:42:35.940 combining
00:42:37.180 Russian
00:42:38.220 forces
00:42:38.620 and
00:42:38.880 Ukrainian
00:42:39.200 forces.
00:42:40.140 Why
00:42:40.480 it's
00:42:41.500 necessary
00:42:41.720 to wait
00:42:42.100 until
00:42:42.380 the
00:42:42.500 end
00:42:42.560 of
00:42:42.640 2030?
00:42:44.180 Why
00:42:44.560 it is
00:42:45.220 necessary
00:42:45.460 to use
00:42:45.780 exactly
00:42:46.260 this
00:42:46.620 window
00:42:47.300 of
00:42:47.480 opportunity
00:42:47.920 of
00:42:48.240 this
00:42:48.420 current
00:42:48.680 administration
00:42:49.220 that
00:42:49.820 is
00:42:49.980 proclaimed
00:42:50.420 that
00:42:50.660 it
00:42:50.800 might
00:42:51.120 withdraw
00:42:52.060 from
00:42:52.360 Europe
00:42:52.620 or at
00:42:52.920 least
00:42:53.100 the
00:42:54.100 relation
00:42:54.460 between
00:42:54.920 US
00:42:55.260 and
00:42:55.480 Europe
00:42:55.660 would
00:42:55.860 be
00:42:55.980 on a
00:42:56.260 different
00:42:56.520 level
00:42:56.860 so
00:42:57.720 no
00:42:58.600 reason
00:42:58.860 to wait
00:42:59.220 until
00:42:59.480 2030
00:43:00.040 especially
00:43:01.040 if
00:43:01.500 Europeans
00:43:01.900 are going
00:43:02.580 to be
00:43:02.880 ready
00:43:03.120 by
00:43:03.360 year
00:43:03.820 2030
00:43:04.280 so
00:43:05.200 that is
00:43:05.820 why
00:43:05.960 for
00:43:06.100 opportunity
00:43:06.340 it will be
00:43:06.700 absolutely
00:43:07.160 clear
00:43:07.500 it is
00:43:08.080 necessary to
00:43:08.560 wait
00:43:08.760 until
00:43:09.180 another five
00:43:10.320 years
00:43:10.480 it is
00:43:10.800 necessary to
00:43:11.200 do it
00:43:11.440 right now.
00:43:11.980 chaos
00:43:13.240 chaos
00:43:13.300 chaos
00:43:13.360 chaos
00:43:13.380 chaos
00:43:13.600 comes
00:43:13.680 in
00:43:13.840 all
00:43:14.120 shapes
00:43:14.420 and
00:43:14.620 sizes
00:43:15.020 last
00:43:15.860 week
00:43:16.100 a
00:43:16.320 guest
00:43:16.540 showed
00:43:16.820 up
00:43:17.000 late
00:43:17.320 because
00:43:17.580 they
00:43:17.800 couldn't
00:43:18.160 find
00:43:18.440 the
00:43:18.600 studio
00:43:19.000 and
00:43:19.440 we
00:43:19.540 had
00:43:19.680 to
00:43:19.840 juggle
00:43:20.140 schedules
00:43:20.680 on
00:43:20.900 the
00:43:21.040 fly
00:43:21.340 talk
00:43:21.980 about
00:43:22.240 stress
00:43:22.760 but
00:43:23.320 here's
00:43:23.600 the
00:43:23.720 thing
00:43:23.960 while
00:43:24.460 some
00:43:24.840 chaos
00:43:25.220 is
00:43:25.420 unavoidable
00:43:26.100 your
00:43:26.640 e-commerce
00:43:27.380 business
00:43:27.940 doesn't
00:43:28.460 have to
00:43:28.880 suffer
00:43:29.180 that's
00:43:30.040 where
00:43:30.200 ShipStation
00:43:30.920 comes
00:43:31.340 in
00:43:31.580 ShipStation
00:43:32.540 simplifies
00:43:33.580 order
00:43:33.960 fulfillment
00:43:34.400 by letting
00:43:35.260 you
00:43:35.680 manage
00:43:36.100 all your
00:43:36.620 shipping
00:43:36.940 needs
00:43:37.280 from
00:43:37.500 one
00:43:37.840 easy
00:43:41.980 finding
00:43:42.420 the
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00:43:43.020 carrier
00:43:43.440 rates
00:43:43.980 ShipStation
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00:43:45.480 save
00:43:45.720 time
00:43:46.120 and
00:43:46.540 money
00:43:46.800 so
00:43:47.260 you
00:43:47.460 can
00:43:47.660 focus
00:43:48.020 on
00:43:48.260 growing
00:43:48.560 your
00:43:48.820 business
00:43:49.320 as
00:43:50.060 someone
00:43:50.360 who
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00:43:50.820 a
00:43:50.980 business
00:43:51.340 I
00:43:51.660 don't
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00:43:52.120 it
00:43:52.260 shut
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00:43:52.900 I
00:43:53.280 understand
00:43:53.700 how
00:43:53.980 critical
00:43:54.380 it
00:43:54.600 is
00:43:54.780 to
00:43:54.960 streamline
00:43:55.420 operations
00:43:56.120 and
00:43:56.640 stay
00:43:56.960 ahead
00:43:57.200 of
00:43:57.340 the
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00:43:57.760 we
00:43:58.280 endorse
00:43:58.720 ShipStation
00:43:59.520 because
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00:44:00.300 a
00:44:00.520 powerful
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00:44:01.340 for
00:44:01.560 any
00:44:01.820 business
00:44:02.260 owner
00:44:02.600 it
00:44:03.100 scales
00:44:03.500 with
00:44:03.860 you
00:44:04.080 no
00:44:04.500 matter
00:44:04.660 how
00:44:04.940 large
00:44:05.280 your
00:44:05.500 business
00:44:05.860 gets
00:44:06.280 and
00:44:06.720 offers
00:44:07.020 discounts
00:44:07.620 of up
00:44:08.040 to
00:44:08.240 88%
00:44:09.500 off
00:44:09.980 UPS
00:44:10.620 DHL
00:44:11.480 Express
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00:44:13.660 and
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00:44:15.360 off
00:44:15.640 FedEx
00:44:16.160 those
00:44:16.860 savings
00:44:17.360 add up
00:44:17.960 fast
00:44:18.440 over
00:44:19.040 130,000
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00:44:21.320 trust
00:44:21.780 ShipStation
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00:44:25.820 easy
00:44:26.060 to
00:44:26.280 see
00:44:26.480 why
00:44:26.880 start
00:44:27.660 simplifying
00:44:28.360 your
00:44:28.680 shipping
00:44:29.060 today
00:44:29.500 go to
00:44:30.040 ShipStation.com
00:44:31.240 and use
00:44:31.760 the code
00:44:32.180 trigger
00:44:32.620 to sign
00:44:33.460 up for
00:44:33.780 your
00:44:34.000 free
00:44:34.360 trial
00:44:34.880 at
00:44:35.380 ShipStation.com
00:44:36.660 code
00:44:37.620 ShipStation
00:44:38.760 make
00:44:39.500 ship
00:44:39.920 happen
00:44:40.500 a
00:44:41.800 claims
00:44:42.160 program
00:44:42.560 for
00:44:43.020 harmed
00:44:43.440 Canadians
00:44:43.920 has
00:44:44.320 begun
00:44:44.740 as a
00:44:45.220 result
00:44:45.520 of a
00:44:45.940 landmark
00:44:46.420 tobacco
00:44:46.900 settlement
00:44:47.320 if you
00:44:48.260 smoked
00:44:48.600 regularly
00:44:49.140 before
00:44:49.640 November
00:44:50.060 20th
00:44:50.820 1998
00:44:51.620 and
00:44:52.420 were
00:44:52.620 diagnosed
00:44:53.060 with
00:44:53.640 lung
00:44:54.040 cancer
00:44:54.560 throat
00:44:55.180 cancer
00:44:55.720 emphysema
00:44:56.620 or
00:44:57.000 COPD
00:44:57.720 you may
00:44:58.820 qualify
00:44:59.180 for a
00:44:59.720 significant
00:45:00.200 payment
00:45:00.720 to learn
00:45:01.720 more
00:45:02.060 call
00:45:02.500 888
00:45:03.200 482
00:45:04.520 5852
00:45:05.880 or go
00:45:06.560 to
00:45:06.880 tobacco
00:45:07.340 claims
00:45:07.860 canada
00:45:08.340 dot
00:45:08.680 ca
00:45:08.980 Andre
00:45:12.360 look
00:45:13.000 the
00:45:13.440 argument
00:45:14.720 from the
00:45:15.220 Trump
00:45:15.460 administration
00:45:15.980 is
00:45:16.680 when we
00:45:17.380 sign the
00:45:17.860 minerals
00:45:18.240 deal
00:45:18.560 with
00:45:18.800 Ukraine
00:45:19.320 that
00:45:19.960 will
00:45:20.160 guarantee
00:45:20.700 Americans
00:45:21.640 in Ukraine
00:45:23.080 that will
00:45:23.580 guarantee
00:45:24.140 American
00:45:24.980 financial
00:45:25.580 interest
00:45:26.380 in Ukraine
00:45:27.160 boots
00:45:28.100 on the
00:45:28.400 ground
00:45:28.720 that will
00:45:29.700 therefore
00:45:30.060 mean
00:45:30.440 that
00:45:30.800 Russia
00:45:32.040 won't want
00:45:32.620 to invade
00:45:33.040 because
00:45:33.300 they won't
00:45:33.760 want to
00:45:34.140 antagonize
00:45:34.940 American
00:45:35.640 interests
00:45:36.120 American
00:45:36.500 business
00:45:36.980 interests
00:45:37.520 therefore
00:45:38.220 guaranteeing
00:45:39.040 Ukraine
00:45:39.480 safety
00:45:40.060 what do
00:45:40.700 you say
00:45:40.980 to that
00:45:41.380 Francis
00:45:42.000 we need
00:45:42.380 to
00:45:42.580 distinguish
00:45:43.260 between
00:45:43.820 economic
00:45:44.440 interest
00:45:44.800 and boots
00:45:45.240 on the
00:45:45.480 ground
00:45:45.780 boots
00:45:46.160 on the
00:45:46.380 ground
00:45:46.580 is
00:45:46.740 military
00:45:47.140 Trump
00:45:48.540 never
00:45:48.780 said
00:45:49.040 that
00:45:49.280 that's
00:45:51.460 a very
00:45:51.720 important
00:45:52.060 contractors
00:45:53.660 and things
00:45:53.960 like that
00:45:54.340 sorry
00:45:54.660 this is a
00:45:55.920 kindergarten
00:45:56.340 I'm really
00:45:56.980 sorry to
00:45:57.480 say so
00:45:58.000 because
00:45:58.540 everybody
00:45:59.260 knows
00:45:59.800 and this
00:46:00.660 is a
00:46:00.900 history
00:46:01.220 shows
00:46:01.700 that
00:46:02.300 whoever
00:46:02.860 will be
00:46:03.820 in so
00:46:04.260 called
00:46:04.540 economic
00:46:06.220 interest
00:46:06.640 and business
00:46:07.060 interest
00:46:07.320 it is not
00:46:08.240 deterrent
00:46:08.700 for intervention
00:46:09.380 by the way
00:46:10.460 in Donbass
00:46:11.120 there were
00:46:11.380 many
00:46:11.760 American
00:46:12.580 companies
00:46:13.160 back then
00:46:14.000 in year
00:46:14.460 2014
00:46:15.060 what happened
00:46:15.940 to them
00:46:16.680 were they
00:46:18.280 served as
00:46:19.420 a deterrent
00:46:19.940 for Putin
00:46:20.940 to attack
00:46:21.780 Donbass
00:46:22.200 no
00:46:22.580 and all
00:46:24.180 those assets
00:46:25.060 of those
00:46:25.580 American
00:46:25.940 companies
00:46:26.400 for example
00:46:26.800 Cargill
00:46:27.240 Cargill
00:46:28.060 was in
00:46:28.460 Donetsk
00:46:29.040 so all
00:46:29.980 have been
00:46:30.540 taken by
00:46:31.600 Russians
00:46:32.040 and by
00:46:32.900 separatists
00:46:33.480 and they
00:46:33.780 have been
00:46:34.120 just
00:46:34.460 either robbed
00:46:35.740 or some
00:46:36.280 kind of
00:46:36.620 appropriated
00:46:37.320 this
00:46:37.620 and nobody
00:46:38.580 neither
00:46:39.300 Mr.
00:46:39.700 Obama
00:46:39.980 nor Mr.
00:46:40.500 Biden
00:46:40.720 nor Mr.
00:46:41.160 Trump
00:46:41.320 said any
00:46:41.820 word
00:46:42.140 in defense
00:46:43.120 of those
00:46:43.660 American
00:46:44.380 companies
00:46:44.920 and American
00:46:45.700 property
00:46:46.200 on these
00:46:47.160 occupied
00:46:47.540 territories
00:46:48.020 same story
00:46:49.080 will be
00:46:49.500 for the
00:46:50.180 rest of
00:46:50.480 the world
00:46:50.720 so this
00:46:51.660 is a
00:46:51.960 rule
00:46:52.220 it's
00:46:52.860 actually
00:46:53.200 not only
00:46:53.740 in Donbass
00:46:54.440 not only
00:46:54.920 in Crimea
00:46:55.320 not only
00:46:55.800 in Ukraine
00:46:56.100 everywhere
00:46:56.660 so
00:46:57.780 Alexander
00:46:58.740 Sergeyevich
00:46:59.280 Pushkin
00:46:59.660 the famous
00:47:00.560 Russian poet
00:47:01.320 once said
00:47:02.340 very important
00:47:03.020 I will say
00:47:03.740 it in Russian
00:47:04.300 все куплю
00:47:05.820 сказала
00:47:06.680 Zlata
00:47:07.180 все возьму
00:47:08.440 сказал
00:47:08.960 Bulat
00:47:09.380 which in
00:47:10.620 English
00:47:11.100 would be
00:47:11.520 translated
00:47:11.920 okay
00:47:12.320 I'm ready
00:47:13.360 to buy
00:47:13.760 everything
00:47:14.360 says
00:47:15.080 gold
00:47:15.780 so that
00:47:16.660 is a business
00:47:17.220 interest
00:47:17.620 but
00:47:18.800 the final
00:47:19.620 word
00:47:20.020 will be
00:47:20.660 said
00:47:20.900 by Bulat
00:47:21.560 by steel
00:47:22.340 by
00:47:23.020 military
00:47:23.960 force
00:47:24.340 so
00:47:24.960 but the
00:47:25.640 final word
00:47:26.260 remains
00:47:27.020 for
00:47:27.940 military
00:47:28.880 force
00:47:29.280 military
00:47:29.740 force
00:47:30.060 has the
00:47:30.400 final word
00:47:30.880 final word
00:47:31.580 yes
00:47:31.880 and if
00:47:32.840 we look
00:47:33.080 around
00:47:33.480 so just
00:47:34.200 only
00:47:35.220 military
00:47:36.640 guarantees
00:47:37.600 provide
00:47:38.460 necessary
00:47:39.960 conditions
00:47:40.580 for
00:47:41.400 future
00:47:42.520 economic
00:47:43.220 growth
00:47:43.600 why
00:47:44.300 South
00:47:44.660 Korea
00:47:45.100 became
00:47:45.980 such a
00:47:47.380 wonderful
00:47:47.900 example
00:47:48.900 of economic
00:47:49.520 growth
00:47:49.880 why it
00:47:50.360 became
00:47:50.720 a miracle
00:47:51.620 economic
00:47:52.200 miracle
00:47:52.600 because
00:47:53.760 US forces
00:47:54.760 were
00:47:55.420 having
00:47:56.020 boots
00:47:56.480 on the
00:47:56.900 ground
00:47:57.260 between
00:47:59.020 1950
00:47:59.620 to
00:47:59.840 1953
00:48:00.260 during
00:48:00.640 the
00:48:00.820 Korean
00:48:01.060 War
00:48:01.300 and
00:48:01.760 after
00:48:01.980 that
00:48:02.320 US
00:48:04.220 troops
00:48:04.520 did
00:48:04.760 not
00:48:04.960 leave
00:48:05.220 South
00:48:05.600 Korea
00:48:05.940 why
00:48:07.040 Western
00:48:07.560 Germany
00:48:08.040 became
00:48:08.860 such
00:48:09.140 an
00:48:09.600 economic
00:48:10.300 miracle
00:48:10.800 success
00:48:11.300 and so
00:48:11.700 because
00:48:12.720 US troops
00:48:13.620 were
00:48:13.940 on the
00:48:14.340 ground
00:48:14.660 and
00:48:16.160 Western
00:48:16.640 Germany
00:48:17.080 became
00:48:17.480 a member
00:48:17.840 of
00:48:18.040 NATO
00:48:18.340 why
00:48:19.420 Albania
00:48:20.220 the
00:48:21.040 poorest
00:48:21.380 country
00:48:21.780 in
00:48:22.080 Europe
00:48:22.440 became
00:48:23.440 now
00:48:23.780 the
00:48:24.200 economic
00:48:24.840 tiger
00:48:25.260 of the
00:48:25.940 last
00:48:26.140 quarter
00:48:26.440 of
00:48:26.600 century
00:48:26.900 because
00:48:27.880 American
00:48:28.400 troops
00:48:28.740 on the
00:48:29.060 ground
00:48:29.400 and
00:48:30.140 because
00:48:30.540 Albania
00:48:31.400 became
00:48:31.760 member
00:48:32.080 of
00:48:32.240 NATO
00:48:32.480 it's
00:48:33.460 only
00:48:33.760 one
00:48:34.100 way
00:48:34.440 first
00:48:35.120 of
00:48:35.300 all
00:48:35.460 security
00:48:36.080 guarantees
00:48:36.700 in
00:48:37.960 the
00:48:38.100 form
00:48:38.400 of
00:48:38.840 US
00:48:39.300 troops
00:48:39.660 or
00:48:40.000 military
00:48:40.400 alliance
00:48:40.900 like
00:48:41.220 NATO
00:48:41.560 that
00:48:42.180 can
00:48:42.400 guarantee
00:48:42.860 potential
00:48:43.780 participation
00:48:44.420 of
00:48:44.640 US
00:48:44.840 troops
00:48:45.060 and
00:48:45.500 other
00:48:45.780 troops
00:48:46.100 and
00:48:46.740 only
00:48:47.100 after
00:48:47.460 that
00:48:47.740 economic
00:48:48.200 success
00:48:48.660 there
00:48:49.600 is
00:48:49.760 no
00:48:49.960 economic
00:48:50.460 success
00:48:50.960 without
00:48:51.280 security
00:48:51.760 guarantees
00:48:52.180 just one
00:48:53.140 example
00:48:53.600 you know
00:48:54.800 what example
00:48:55.700 Mr.
00:48:56.880 Trump
00:48:57.200 Mr.
00:48:58.240 Trump
00:48:58.420 himself
00:48:58.880 before he
00:49:00.360 became
00:49:00.760 US
00:49:01.860 president
00:49:02.240 even the
00:49:02.940 first time
00:49:03.460 he was a
00:49:04.680 very well
00:49:05.440 known
00:49:05.720 kind of
00:49:06.220 real
00:49:07.140 state
00:49:08.100 developer
00:49:08.520 in the
00:49:09.520 United
00:49:09.720 States
00:49:10.020 he was
00:49:10.720 interesting
00:49:11.200 in
00:49:11.760 participating
00:49:12.840 in different
00:49:13.280 projects
00:49:13.620 around the
00:49:14.060 world
00:49:14.220 he was
00:49:14.940 considering
00:49:15.500 the
00:49:16.240 participation
00:49:16.700 in
00:49:17.140 Russia
00:49:17.440 he was
00:49:18.800 even
00:49:19.040 traveling
00:49:19.460 to
00:49:19.740 Moscow
00:49:20.060 looking
00:49:20.380 for
00:49:20.600 potential
00:49:21.220 acquiring
00:49:22.360 hotel
00:49:23.180 or
00:49:23.600 maybe
00:49:23.940 some
00:49:24.200 other
00:49:24.420 assets
00:49:24.800 back
00:49:26.060 then
00:49:26.380 in
00:49:27.020 2012
00:49:28.200 if I'm
00:49:28.880 not
00:49:29.040 mistaken
00:49:29.440 what
00:49:30.700 his
00:49:30.900 decision
00:49:31.220 was
00:49:31.540 too
00:49:32.540 risky
00:49:32.960 it was
00:49:34.820 him
00:49:35.180 Mr.
00:49:35.960 Trump
00:49:36.240 who
00:49:37.080 was
00:49:38.300 not
00:49:38.540 courageous
00:49:39.020 enough
00:49:39.520 to
00:49:40.300 invest
00:49:40.920 in
00:49:41.300 Russia
00:49:41.700 in
00:49:42.280 2012
00:49:43.420 before
00:49:44.700 occupation
00:49:45.400 annexation
00:49:46.060 of Crimea
00:49:46.560 before
00:49:47.020 this
00:49:47.340 full-scale
00:49:48.100 intervention
00:49:48.800 against
00:49:49.380 Ukraine
00:49:49.780 he himself
00:49:51.020 taking the
00:49:51.640 correct
00:49:52.140 decision
00:49:52.540 because
00:49:53.200 he understands
00:49:54.120 and he
00:49:54.600 understood
00:49:55.040 that this
00:49:55.880 is too
00:49:56.180 dangerous
00:49:56.700 for himself
00:49:58.420 he understands
00:49:58.940 this is
00:49:59.300 dangerous
00:49:59.700 why
00:50:01.140 he think
00:50:01.660 that
00:50:01.960 other
00:50:03.260 people
00:50:03.540 would
00:50:03.740 be so
00:50:04.060 stupid
00:50:04.500 that
00:50:05.100 would
00:50:05.300 invest
00:50:05.800 in
00:50:06.060 the
00:50:06.200 country
00:50:06.440 that
00:50:06.640 does
00:50:06.860 not
00:50:07.020 have
00:50:07.300 security
00:50:08.420 guarantees
00:50:08.980 I mean
00:50:10.460 that's a
00:50:10.840 very good
00:50:11.200 point
00:50:11.520 that's a
00:50:12.120 very good
00:50:12.480 point
00:50:12.760 and it
00:50:13.180 what it
00:50:14.500 illuminates
00:50:15.400 Andrei
00:50:16.020 is to
00:50:16.720 me
00:50:16.980 listening
00:50:17.440 to what
00:50:17.820 you're
00:50:18.040 saying
00:50:18.460 I
00:50:20.660 is
00:50:21.840 you
00:50:22.080 is this
00:50:22.700 the end
00:50:22.960 of Ukraine
00:50:23.480 then
00:50:23.720 is this
00:50:24.120 inevitable
00:50:24.560 do you
00:50:24.980 think
00:50:25.300 let me
00:50:28.120 answer
00:50:28.500 to your
00:50:29.200 question
00:50:29.500 with
00:50:29.740 kind
00:50:30.100 of
00:50:30.240 the
00:50:30.520 kind
00:50:31.360 of
00:50:31.520 another
00:50:31.880 question
00:50:32.400 to
00:50:32.600 you
00:50:32.820 or
00:50:32.960 just
00:50:33.160 in
00:50:34.160 1948
00:50:35.500 on
00:50:37.860 May
00:50:38.080 14th
00:50:38.600 if I'm
00:50:38.900 not
00:50:39.060 mistaken
00:50:39.440 there
00:50:39.660 was a
00:50:40.160 proclamation
00:50:40.760 of
00:50:41.060 independence
00:50:41.480 of
00:50:41.760 Israel
00:50:42.160 immediately
00:50:43.900 armies of
00:50:44.980 five countries
00:50:45.700 intervened into
00:50:46.840 Israel
00:50:47.180 with very
00:50:47.940 clear
00:50:48.320 goal
00:50:48.860 it has
00:50:49.400 been
00:50:49.560 pronounced
00:50:50.020 destruction
00:50:51.340 of Israel
00:50:51.920 and physical
00:50:53.320 elimination
00:50:53.780 of Jews
00:50:54.400 and their
00:50:54.940 territory
00:50:55.340 to push
00:50:57.060 them into
00:50:57.560 the sea
00:50:57.960 we all
00:50:58.700 know
00:50:58.880 and Israel
00:51:00.640 was alone
00:51:01.200 Israel
00:51:02.780 was not
00:51:03.180 a member
00:51:03.420 of NATO
00:51:03.780 and still
00:51:04.340 not a member
00:51:04.780 of NATO
00:51:05.140 there was
00:51:05.600 no
00:51:05.900 allies
00:51:06.620 and for
00:51:08.340 Israelis
00:51:09.060 there was
00:51:09.680 no way
00:51:10.160 how to
00:51:10.560 fight
00:51:10.760 back
00:51:11.060 just
00:51:11.680 only one
00:51:12.240 way
00:51:12.520 because
00:51:13.140 it's a
00:51:13.500 way
00:51:13.700 for
00:51:13.920 survival
00:51:14.360 and
00:51:15.540 they
00:51:16.220 are
00:51:16.420 still
00:51:16.700 in the
00:51:17.040 same
00:51:17.200 position
00:51:17.600 for
00:51:18.220 almost
00:51:18.600 80
00:51:18.920 years
00:51:19.160 in a
00:51:19.400 row
00:51:19.580 and
00:51:20.200 they
00:51:20.320 have
00:51:20.460 regular
00:51:20.900 attacks
00:51:21.300 on
00:51:21.500 them
00:51:21.720 recently
00:51:23.000 we all
00:51:24.020 know
00:51:24.280 this
00:51:24.540 October
00:51:24.920 7th
00:51:25.400 and after
00:51:25.980 that
00:51:26.300 just
00:51:26.700 from
00:51:27.040 Hamas
00:51:27.420 and from
00:51:27.840 Hezbollah
00:51:28.500 and from
00:51:28.900 Houthis
00:51:29.280 and from
00:51:29.620 Iran
00:51:29.900 and so
00:51:30.260 and they're
00:51:31.060 fighting for
00:51:31.560 their survival
00:51:32.200 so
00:51:33.580 but back
00:51:35.380 then in
00:51:35.780 1948
00:51:36.380 somebody would
00:51:37.380 say okay
00:51:37.740 is it
00:51:38.080 end of
00:51:38.440 Israel
00:51:38.720 yes
00:51:40.320 maybe
00:51:40.620 they
00:51:40.920 already
00:51:41.300 decided
00:51:41.720 but
00:51:41.940 Gold
00:51:42.240 Amir
00:51:42.620 told
00:51:43.600 his
00:51:44.440 American
00:51:44.940 colleagues
00:51:45.320 when he
00:51:45.720 was
00:51:45.920 she was
00:51:46.480 traveling
00:51:46.820 through
00:51:47.160 the
00:51:47.300 United
00:51:47.500 States
00:51:47.760 collecting
00:51:48.120 money
00:51:48.420 for
00:51:48.720 defense
00:51:49.440 of
00:51:49.680 Ukraine
00:51:50.040 for
00:51:50.780 Israel
00:51:51.300 good
00:51:51.920 if you
00:51:52.480 give
00:51:52.740 us
00:51:53.220 money
00:51:53.520 we
00:51:54.040 will
00:51:54.300 use
00:51:54.680 this
00:51:54.880 money
00:51:55.100 to
00:51:55.280 defend
00:51:55.580 ourselves
00:51:56.080 if
00:51:56.720 you
00:51:56.900 would
00:51:57.120 not
00:51:57.360 give
00:51:57.620 us
00:51:57.920 money
00:51:58.240 we
00:51:58.820 will
00:51:59.000 defend
00:51:59.400 ourselves
00:52:00.180 even
00:52:00.980 with our
00:52:01.440 fists
00:52:01.860 without
00:52:02.500 weapons
00:52:03.180 but we
00:52:03.980 will never
00:52:04.340 surrender
00:52:04.820 actually he
00:52:06.000 borrowed this
00:52:06.420 phrase from
00:52:06.880 Winston
00:52:07.440 Churchill
00:52:07.860 former
00:52:09.380 United
00:52:10.620 Kingdom
00:52:11.120 prime minister
00:52:12.220 who said
00:52:12.660 in the
00:52:13.040 darkest
00:52:13.420 hour
00:52:13.960 back in
00:52:15.060 June
00:52:15.260 1940
00:52:15.880 we
00:52:16.780 will
00:52:17.000 fight
00:52:17.440 on the
00:52:18.800 sea
00:52:19.020 we
00:52:19.240 fight
00:52:19.920 on
00:52:20.340 dunes
00:52:20.980 we
00:52:21.620 will
00:52:22.220 we
00:52:22.520 will
00:52:22.700 fight
00:52:23.020 everywhere
00:52:24.060 and
00:52:25.180 even
00:52:25.580 in
00:52:25.880 this
00:52:26.160 how I
00:52:28.560 would
00:52:28.680 say
00:52:28.900 almost
00:52:29.580 inconceivable
00:52:31.060 case that
00:52:31.720 we would
00:52:32.220 need to
00:52:32.680 evacuate
00:52:33.300 islands
00:52:34.100 meaning
00:52:34.380 probably
00:52:34.860 the
00:52:35.300 royal
00:52:35.960 family
00:52:36.420 maybe
00:52:36.780 general
00:52:37.300 staff
00:52:37.600 maybe
00:52:37.840 army
00:52:38.280 probably
00:52:38.860 to
00:52:39.120 Canada
00:52:39.420 from
00:52:39.660 the
00:52:39.840 islands
00:52:40.120 we
00:52:40.840 would
00:52:41.080 never
00:52:41.400 stop
00:52:41.860 to
00:52:42.080 fight
00:52:42.460 we
00:52:43.580 will
00:52:43.760 fight
00:52:44.200 until
00:52:44.820 we
00:52:45.500 will
00:52:46.000 win
00:52:46.460 we
00:52:47.080 will
00:52:47.340 we
00:52:47.840 shall
00:52:48.020 never
00:52:48.300 surrender
00:52:48.800 what
00:52:50.440 Mr.
00:52:50.900 Churchill
00:52:51.160 said
00:52:51.520 back in
00:52:52.020 1940
00:52:52.560 what
00:52:52.820 Gold
00:52:53.060 Emerald
00:52:53.340 said
00:52:53.700 in
00:52:54.640 the
00:52:54.900 late
00:52:55.280 40s
00:52:55.760 there
00:52:56.600 is
00:52:56.740 only
00:52:57.020 one
00:52:57.280 way
00:52:57.480 for
00:52:57.660 Ukrainians
00:52:58.200 to
00:52:58.500 fight
00:52:58.900 and
00:53:00.400 they
00:53:00.660 should
00:53:01.200 never
00:53:01.500 surrender
00:53:01.940 because
00:53:02.300 if
00:53:02.600 they
00:53:02.780 surrender
00:53:03.200 they
00:53:03.820 will
00:53:03.980 be
00:53:04.140 subjugated
00:53:04.700 there
00:53:04.880 will
00:53:05.000 be
00:53:05.140 genocide
00:53:05.520 for
00:53:06.560 patriotic
00:53:07.200 people
00:53:07.560 of
00:53:07.840 Ukraine
00:53:08.260 as
00:53:08.880 it
00:53:09.020 has
00:53:09.180 been
00:53:09.320 done
00:53:09.580 in
00:53:09.840 the
00:53:09.940 western
00:53:10.160 Ukraine
00:53:10.600 after
00:53:11.440 second
00:53:11.760 world
00:53:12.060 war
00:53:12.340 with
00:53:12.900 all
00:53:13.140 those
00:53:13.400 fighters
00:53:13.800 by
00:53:15.120 Soviet
00:53:15.640 troops
00:53:15.960 by
00:53:16.220 communist
00:53:16.560 troops
00:53:16.800 by
00:53:17.040 NKVD
00:53:17.720 10%
00:53:18.680 of
00:53:19.100 western
00:53:20.100 Ukrainian
00:53:20.520 population
00:53:21.680 have been
00:53:22.120 killed
00:53:22.380 10%
00:53:23.740 you know
00:53:24.840 who
00:53:25.240 most
00:53:26.280 what is
00:53:27.500 the
00:53:27.660 highest
00:53:28.060 ratio
00:53:28.620 of
00:53:29.280 people
00:53:29.560 being
00:53:29.840 killed
00:53:30.080 during
00:53:30.340 these
00:53:30.580 years
00:53:30.980 of
00:53:31.420 full
00:53:31.700 scale
00:53:32.020 aggression
00:53:33.320 of
00:53:33.820 Putin
00:53:34.060 against
00:53:34.380 Ukraine
00:53:34.720 no
00:53:35.180 we
00:53:36.600 have
00:53:36.780 a
00:53:36.960 statistic
00:53:37.620 certainly
00:53:37.940 it's
00:53:38.120 not
00:53:38.280 full
00:53:38.520 some
00:53:39.040 kind
00:53:39.260 of
00:53:39.360 estimates
00:53:39.760 but
00:53:39.940 several
00:53:40.400 organizations
00:53:41.940 are doing
00:53:42.420 this
00:53:42.640 research
00:53:43.000 BBC
00:53:43.740 Meduza
00:53:44.540 Mediazone
00:53:46.220 some
00:53:46.700 other
00:53:46.940 there is
00:53:47.500 estimation
00:53:47.980 for
00:53:48.320 different
00:53:48.780 regions
00:53:49.140 of
00:53:49.320 Russia
00:53:49.600 and
00:53:50.560 we
00:53:50.700 know
00:53:50.980 that
00:53:51.540 is
00:53:51.720 fact
00:53:52.100 of
00:53:52.260 life
00:53:52.520 that
00:53:52.820 the
00:53:52.980 highest
00:53:53.400 the
00:53:53.960 lowest
00:53:54.500 rate
00:53:55.220 of
00:53:55.620 conscription
00:53:56.360 and
00:53:56.820 certainly
00:53:57.020 being
00:53:57.320 killed
00:53:57.680 among
00:53:58.960 Moscovites
00:53:59.680 among
00:54:00.460 people from
00:54:00.980 St.
00:54:01.240 Petersburg
00:54:01.460 and
00:54:01.780 from
00:54:01.960 Chechnya
00:54:02.660 Chechnya
00:54:03.500 Republic
00:54:03.860 because
00:54:04.480 it's
00:54:04.660 a
00:54:04.760 favorite
00:54:05.040 regions
00:54:05.400 of
00:54:05.600 Mr.
00:54:05.840 Putin
00:54:06.200 certainly
00:54:06.840 Moscow
00:54:07.180 and
00:54:07.400 St.
00:54:07.540 Petersburg
00:54:07.780 just
00:54:08.420 to
00:54:08.640 preserve
00:54:09.180 the
00:54:09.840 political
00:54:10.140 stability
00:54:10.680 in the
00:54:11.000 capitals
00:54:11.420 and
00:54:11.960 Chechnya
00:54:12.280 because
00:54:12.560 of
00:54:12.760 his
00:54:12.940 special
00:54:13.240 relations
00:54:13.700 with
00:54:14.100 this
00:54:14.440 Lord
00:54:15.400 Kadirov
00:54:16.700 in
00:54:16.980 Chechnya
00:54:17.420 Republic
00:54:19.140 so
00:54:20.180 but
00:54:20.340 the
00:54:20.460 highest
00:54:20.760 rate
00:54:21.120 of
00:54:21.420 people
00:54:21.800 being
00:54:22.060 conscripted
00:54:22.760 and
00:54:23.280 been
00:54:23.460 killed
00:54:23.700 in
00:54:24.020 ethnic
00:54:24.340 regions
00:54:24.720 of
00:54:24.920 Russia
00:54:25.300 like
00:54:25.740 Buretia
00:54:26.360 or
00:54:27.320 some
00:54:27.660 Daghestan
00:54:28.280 or
00:54:28.400 some
00:54:28.580 other
00:54:28.820 or
00:54:29.420 some
00:54:29.640 poor
00:54:29.880 Russian
00:54:30.240 regions
00:54:30.680 because
00:54:31.420 the
00:54:31.620 political
00:54:32.260 weight
00:54:33.040 of
00:54:33.280 which
00:54:33.480 is
00:54:33.820 not
00:54:35.320 very
00:54:35.780 substantial
00:54:36.300 but
00:54:38.460 the
00:54:39.340 highest
00:54:39.740 rate
00:54:40.260 of
00:54:40.600 people
00:54:41.200 being
00:54:41.480 conscripted
00:54:42.120 and
00:54:42.260 been
00:54:42.440 killed
00:54:42.700 not
00:54:43.100 there
00:54:43.420 not
00:54:44.040 even
00:54:44.260 Buretia
00:54:44.800 the
00:54:45.800 seven
00:54:46.080 times
00:54:46.420 higher
00:54:46.820 the
00:54:47.040 rate
00:54:47.320 were
00:54:48.240 in
00:54:49.300 same
00:54:49.540 regions
00:54:49.980 that
00:54:50.920 Mr.
00:54:51.280 Zitkov
00:54:51.620 was not
00:54:52.520 able to
00:54:52.960 recall
00:54:53.360 in
00:54:54.300 Luhansk
00:54:54.920 and
00:54:55.300 Donetsk
00:54:55.840 because
00:54:56.840 those
00:54:57.380 Ukrainians
00:54:58.120 who
00:54:58.800 happened
00:54:59.100 to be
00:54:59.480 on
00:54:59.700 occupied
00:55:00.060 territories
00:55:00.640 from
00:55:00.920 year
00:55:01.120 2014
00:55:01.840 occupied
00:55:03.080 by
00:55:03.460 Putin
00:55:03.880 they
00:55:04.920 have
00:55:05.120 been
00:55:05.360 forcefully
00:55:06.100 conscripted
00:55:06.900 to
00:55:07.080 the
00:55:07.380 so-called
00:55:07.800 Russian
00:55:08.160 army
00:55:08.460 or
00:55:08.720 whatever
00:55:09.620 popular
00:55:10.080 militian
00:55:10.980 people's
00:55:11.420 militia
00:55:11.820 whatever
00:55:12.220 and
00:55:12.980 they're
00:55:13.060 now
00:55:13.200 part
00:55:13.440 of
00:55:13.540 the
00:55:13.680 Russian
00:55:13.900 army
00:55:14.200 they
00:55:14.800 have
00:55:15.020 been
00:55:15.280 used
00:55:15.740 as
00:55:16.740 a
00:55:17.120 meat
00:55:18.120 for
00:55:18.380 or
00:55:18.560 whatever
00:55:18.740 meat
00:55:19.500 grinder
00:55:19.860 cannon
00:55:20.920 against
00:55:21.720 Ukrainians
00:55:24.560 and
00:55:25.560 the
00:55:25.780 rate
00:55:26.340 of
00:55:26.800 people
00:55:27.820 being
00:55:28.200 killed
00:55:28.600 seven
00:55:29.140 times
00:55:29.580 higher
00:55:30.060 than
00:55:30.500 in
00:55:30.800 the
00:55:31.000 worst
00:55:31.300 Russian
00:55:31.840 region
00:55:32.220 so
00:55:33.420 that
00:55:33.840 gives
00:55:34.400 everybody
00:55:35.220 indication
00:55:36.340 what
00:55:36.680 would
00:55:36.860 happen
00:55:37.240 to
00:55:38.040 Ukrainians
00:55:38.860 who
00:55:39.720 would
00:55:40.040 decide
00:55:40.540 or
00:55:40.980 it's
00:55:41.580 so
00:55:41.720 many
00:55:42.060 Ukrainian
00:55:43.180 soldiers
00:55:43.580 being
00:55:43.860 killed
00:55:44.200 that is
00:55:44.880 why
00:55:45.020 we
00:55:45.180 cannot
00:55:45.520 tolerate
00:55:46.520 anymore
00:55:46.900 we need
00:55:47.360 to have
00:55:47.660 some
00:55:47.840 kind
00:55:48.020 of
00:55:48.180 peace
00:55:48.480 or
00:55:48.740 ceasefire
00:55:49.540 let's
00:55:50.000 have
00:55:50.340 a
00:55:50.580 peace
00:55:50.940 with
00:55:51.200 Putin
00:55:51.500 okay
00:55:52.060 this
00:55:52.820 territory
00:55:53.180 will
00:55:53.700 be
00:55:53.860 taken
00:55:54.100 by
00:55:54.380 Putin
00:55:54.640 and
00:55:55.100 those
00:55:55.360 people
00:55:55.680 will
00:55:55.880 be
00:55:56.060 conscripted
00:55:56.720 and
00:55:56.920 be
00:55:57.360 used
00:55:57.760 against
00:55:58.700 either
00:55:59.000 Ukrainians
00:55:59.520 or
00:55:59.720 Europeans
00:56:00.220 that's
00:56:01.420 a
00:56:01.560 tradition
00:56:02.280 this
00:56:02.580 is
00:56:02.700 the
00:56:02.840 technology
00:56:03.360 of
00:56:03.700 imperial
00:56:04.100 power
00:56:04.500 to
00:56:06.120 conquer
00:56:06.720 the
00:56:07.320 new
00:56:07.520 territory
00:56:07.980 to
00:56:08.740 conscript
00:56:09.200 these
00:56:09.460 people
00:56:09.760 from
00:56:09.980 this
00:56:10.180 territory
00:56:10.480 and
00:56:10.740 to
00:56:10.880 use
00:56:11.100 this
00:56:11.260 for
00:56:11.420 new
00:56:11.660 imperial
00:56:12.120 aggressions
00:56:12.800 and
00:56:13.360 for
00:56:14.000 new
00:56:14.560 conquest
00:56:15.200 that's
00:56:16.080 exactly
00:56:16.400 what
00:56:16.600 has
00:56:16.780 been
00:56:16.980 used
00:56:17.300 by
00:56:17.560 the
00:56:17.760 Russian
00:56:18.040 empire
00:56:18.480 through
00:56:19.200 the
00:56:19.360 whole
00:56:19.540 history
00:56:19.960 that's
00:56:20.520 exactly
00:56:20.820 what
00:56:21.000 has
00:56:21.180 been
00:56:21.380 done
00:56:21.920 by
00:56:22.280 Stalin's
00:56:24.680 regime
00:56:24.980 when
00:56:25.580 Stalin
00:56:25.920 attacked
00:56:27.000 Poland
00:56:27.500 Eastern
00:56:28.320 Poland
00:56:28.600 in
00:56:28.800 1939
00:56:29.360 and
00:56:29.820 occupied
00:56:30.320 so-called
00:56:31.480 Western
00:56:31.800 Ukraine
00:56:32.240 and
00:56:32.480 Western
00:56:32.840 Belarus
00:56:33.560 those
00:56:34.480 people
00:56:34.780 who
00:56:34.980 lived
00:56:35.220 there
00:56:35.600 they
00:56:35.900 had
00:56:36.080 been
00:56:36.220 immediately
00:56:36.620 conscripted
00:56:37.240 into
00:56:37.460 the
00:56:37.800 Red
00:56:38.780 Army
00:56:39.180 and
00:56:39.580 they
00:56:39.720 have
00:56:39.920 been
00:56:40.100 used
00:56:40.400 as
00:56:40.660 a
00:56:41.800 cannon
00:56:42.360 fodder
00:56:42.720 exactly
00:56:44.040 and
00:56:44.780 the
00:56:44.940 first
00:56:45.180 one
00:56:45.480 was
00:56:46.240 in
00:56:46.840 Soviet
00:56:47.140 Finnish
00:56:47.520 war
00:56:47.860 the
00:56:48.200 so-called
00:56:48.500 Winter
00:56:48.820 War
00:56:49.140 in
00:56:49.900 1939
00:56:50.560 1940
00:56:51.240 the
00:56:51.620 heaviest
00:56:52.400 losses
00:56:52.880 were
00:56:53.840 for
00:56:54.220 divisions
00:56:55.680 formed
00:56:56.240 from
00:56:56.480 Ukrainians
00:56:57.120 in
00:56:58.220 the
00:56:58.360 western
00:56:58.560 part
00:56:58.820 of
00:56:58.920 the
00:56:59.040 country
00:56:59.320 immediately
00:57:00.080 so
00:57:01.500 that
00:57:01.680 is
00:57:01.800 why
00:57:02.000 now
00:57:02.520 those
00:57:03.000 who
00:57:03.260 are
00:57:03.620 so
00:57:04.100 calling
00:57:04.540 for
00:57:04.800 okay
00:57:05.060 let's
00:57:05.360 have
00:57:05.520 ceasefire
00:57:06.000 because
00:57:06.320 we need
00:57:07.060 to keep
00:57:07.420 Ukrainians
00:57:08.020 from
00:57:08.380 being
00:57:08.780 killed
00:57:09.100 this
00:57:09.860 is
00:57:10.000 an
00:57:10.180 invitation
00:57:10.540 to
00:57:10.940 kill
00:57:12.000 Ukrainians
00:57:12.820 at
00:57:13.360 much
00:57:13.720 higher
00:57:14.160 industrial
00:57:15.100 scale
00:57:15.620 incomparably
00:57:17.200 higher
00:57:17.580 than it
00:57:17.980 is
00:57:18.120 today
00:57:18.420 so
00:57:19.000 right
00:57:19.800 now
00:57:20.160 the
00:57:20.440 armed
00:57:20.760 forces
00:57:21.020 of
00:57:21.240 Ukraine
00:57:21.620 is
00:57:21.940 the
00:57:22.140 only
00:57:22.500 available
00:57:23.300 security
00:57:24.340 guarantee
00:57:24.860 for
00:57:26.280 Ukraine
00:57:26.660 itself
00:57:27.060 for
00:57:27.660 Ukrainian
00:57:28.320 civilian
00:57:28.960 population
00:57:29.660 this is
00:57:30.160 the only
00:57:30.480 one
00:57:30.820 so
00:57:31.880 the
00:57:32.180 Ukrainian
00:57:32.680 leadership
00:57:33.540 whatever
00:57:33.920 Zelensky
00:57:34.540 whoever
00:57:34.940 they're talking
00:57:35.680 about some
00:57:36.280 additional security
00:57:37.320 guarantees
00:57:37.660 like
00:57:37.960 NATO
00:57:38.880 membership
00:57:39.380 or military
00:57:39.960 alliance
00:57:40.480 or whatever
00:57:41.120 long-term
00:57:42.220 missiles
00:57:43.180 or
00:57:43.760 let's
00:57:44.680 say
00:57:44.940 the
00:57:45.760 weapon
00:57:49.200 that
00:57:49.440 have
00:57:49.640 been
00:57:49.920 taken
00:57:50.700 from
00:57:51.060 Ukraine
00:57:51.460 in
00:57:51.720 1994
00:57:52.360 due
00:57:53.280 to
00:57:53.460 Budapest
00:57:53.860 memorandum
00:57:54.500 but that
00:57:55.780 was a
00:57:56.160 deterrent
00:57:56.820 that was
00:57:57.380 a security
00:57:57.900 guarantee
00:57:58.460 against
00:57:59.620 aggression
00:58:00.180 if there
00:58:01.000 is no
00:58:01.340 such
00:58:01.600 security
00:58:02.020 guarantees
00:58:02.840 that is
00:58:03.500 why
00:58:03.780 the only
00:58:04.520 one
00:58:04.940 security
00:58:05.420 guarantee
00:58:05.880 left
00:58:07.300 for
00:58:07.800 Ukrainians
00:58:08.280 is
00:58:08.520 armed
00:58:08.800 forces
00:58:09.040 of
00:58:09.260 Ukraine
00:58:09.600 and
00:58:10.260 Putin
00:58:10.500 understand
00:58:10.900 this
00:58:11.200 very
00:58:11.420 well
00:58:11.720 that
00:58:12.020 is
00:58:12.140 why
00:58:12.400 his
00:58:13.140 idea
00:58:13.660 is
00:58:14.000 to
00:58:14.180 destroy
00:58:14.760 army
00:58:16.000 of
00:58:16.400 Ukraine
00:58:16.700 that
00:58:16.920 is
00:58:17.040 why
00:58:17.200 he's
00:58:17.480 talking
00:58:17.700 about
00:58:18.120 the
00:58:18.460 stop
00:58:19.020 of
00:58:19.180 military
00:58:19.480 aid
00:58:19.800 stop
00:58:20.420 of
00:58:20.780 flow
00:58:21.200 of
00:58:21.580 intelligence
00:58:22.080 information
00:58:22.640 stop
00:58:23.300 of
00:58:23.580 all
00:58:23.860 efforts
00:58:24.220 to
00:58:24.540 fill
00:58:25.360 the
00:58:26.220 ranks
00:58:26.500 of
00:58:26.760 the
00:58:26.900 armed
00:58:27.120 forces
00:58:27.340 of
00:58:27.560 Ukraine
00:58:27.840 so
00:58:28.360 Putin
00:58:28.800 is
00:58:29.000 smart
00:58:29.300 compared
00:58:29.860 to
00:58:30.320 his
00:58:31.280 partners
00:58:31.720 from
00:58:32.100 the
00:58:32.280 other
00:58:32.440 side
00:58:32.680 I
00:58:33.020 take
00:58:33.580 your
00:58:33.780 point
00:58:34.040 so
00:58:34.440 I
00:58:35.140 guess
00:58:35.380 the
00:58:35.580 question
00:58:35.920 is
00:58:36.220 Andre
00:58:36.580 what
00:58:38.740 are we
00:58:38.920 meant
00:58:39.100 to
00:58:39.240 do
00:58:39.700 if
00:58:40.640 it
00:58:41.640 was
00:58:41.800 up
00:58:41.980 to
00:58:42.120 you
00:58:42.340 what
00:58:42.800 would
00:58:42.980 be
00:58:43.140 done
00:58:43.440 it's
00:58:45.080 up
00:58:45.240 to
00:58:45.360 me
00:58:45.580 who
00:58:46.400 I
00:58:46.560 am
00:58:46.780 this
00:58:47.700 is
00:58:48.300 why
00:58:48.840 I
00:58:49.020 was
00:58:49.160 going
00:58:49.320 to
00:58:49.680 flesh
00:58:50.380 out
00:58:50.580 France's
00:58:50.940 question
00:58:51.200 a little
00:58:51.460 bit
00:58:51.700 I
00:58:52.300 think
00:58:52.620 we
00:58:53.220 should
00:58:53.420 all
00:58:53.600 accept
00:58:54.060 whether
00:58:54.360 we
00:58:54.540 like
00:58:54.780 it
00:58:54.900 or
00:58:55.020 not
00:58:55.180 that
00:58:55.340 elections
00:58:55.680 have
00:58:55.920 consequences
00:58:56.540 the
00:58:57.140 president
00:58:57.460 of the
00:58:57.640 United
00:58:57.820 States
00:58:58.120 is
00:58:58.280 President
00:58:58.560 Trump
00:58:58.900 that's
00:58:59.500 not
00:58:59.620 going
00:58:59.720 to
00:58:59.820 change
00:59:00.060 the
00:59:00.220 vice
00:59:00.400 president
00:59:00.720 J.D.
00:59:01.140 Vance
00:59:01.340 that's
00:59:01.500 not
00:59:01.640 going
00:59:01.760 to
00:59:01.880 change
00:59:02.180 I
00:59:02.620 imagine
00:59:02.980 none
00:59:03.220 of
00:59:03.340 the
00:59:03.440 other
00:59:03.600 people
00:59:03.900 around
00:59:04.180 are
00:59:04.300 going
00:59:04.400 to
00:59:04.480 change
00:59:04.720 so
00:59:04.840 this
00:59:05.020 policy
00:59:05.520 of
00:59:05.860 America
00:59:06.200 will
00:59:06.460 continue
00:59:06.920 the
00:59:07.780 only
00:59:08.060 question
00:59:08.480 therefore
00:59:08.840 remains
00:59:09.360 is
00:59:09.920 actually
00:59:10.380 based on
00:59:11.140 what
00:59:11.300 you're
00:59:11.500 saying
00:59:11.820 what
00:59:12.160 does
00:59:12.320 Europe
00:59:12.540 do
00:59:12.760 about
00:59:12.980 this
00:59:13.260 exactly
00:59:14.120 because
00:59:15.100 now
00:59:15.400 it's
00:59:15.580 absolutely
00:59:15.880 clear
00:59:16.260 that
00:59:16.680 in
00:59:17.560 this
00:59:17.860 new
00:59:18.260 geopolitical
00:59:19.180 environment
00:59:19.600 this
00:59:19.860 is
00:59:20.000 absolutely
00:59:20.380 this
00:59:20.660 tectonical
00:59:21.200 shift
00:59:21.560 it's
00:59:21.840 not
00:59:22.000 even
00:59:22.220 the
00:59:22.500 volcano
00:59:23.120 eruption
00:59:23.460 this
00:59:23.720 is
00:59:23.840 earthquake
00:59:24.400 in
00:59:25.060 international
00:59:25.740 relations
00:59:26.620 security
00:59:27.340 entourage
00:59:28.980 whatever
00:59:29.260 just
00:59:29.640 something
00:59:30.160 that
00:59:30.480 we
00:59:31.060 did
00:59:31.280 not
00:59:31.440 have
00:59:31.640 for
00:59:31.840 last
00:59:32.200 80
00:59:32.520 years
00:59:32.840 actually
00:59:33.800 from
00:59:34.160 even
00:59:34.420 longer
00:59:34.900 from
00:59:35.160 the
00:59:35.500 signing
00:59:36.120 Atlantic
00:59:36.600 Charter
00:59:37.260 by
00:59:38.020 Churchill
00:59:38.580 and
00:59:38.940 Roosevelt
00:59:39.760 back
00:59:40.300 in
00:59:40.520 August
00:59:40.900 1941
00:59:41.760 so
00:59:42.580 that
00:59:42.780 is
00:59:42.920 why
00:59:43.180 it's
00:59:43.620 absolutely
00:59:44.000 clear
00:59:44.380 that
00:59:44.800 Europe
00:59:45.400 is
00:59:45.700 alone
00:59:46.120 without
00:59:46.560 the
00:59:46.780 United
00:59:47.000 States
00:59:47.340 so
00:59:47.880 that
00:59:48.060 is
00:59:48.180 why
00:59:48.360 Europe
00:59:48.880 must
00:59:49.320 decide
00:59:49.740 so
00:59:50.540 whether
00:59:50.820 Europe
00:59:51.320 will
00:59:51.680 try
00:59:52.280 to
00:59:52.520 defend
00:59:52.900 itself
00:59:53.480 including
00:59:54.220 Ukraine
00:59:55.320 because
00:59:56.140 it's
00:59:56.340 part
00:59:56.560 of
00:59:56.700 Europe
00:59:57.660 and
00:59:58.160 actually
00:59:58.480 with
00:59:58.820 the
00:59:58.980 largest
00:59:59.280 strongest
00:59:59.860 the
01:00:00.380 most
01:00:00.600 powerful
01:00:00.980 army
01:00:01.360 on the
01:00:01.680 continent
01:00:02.060 or
01:00:02.980 not
01:00:03.260 if
01:00:04.240 not
01:00:04.600 it
01:00:05.300 means
01:00:05.580 that
01:00:05.940 immediately
01:00:06.500 Europe
01:00:07.020 will
01:00:07.260 find
01:00:07.680 itself
01:00:08.320 in
01:00:08.980 much
01:00:09.360 much
01:00:09.700 weaker
01:00:10.280 position
01:00:10.760 once
01:00:11.800 again
01:00:12.000 we are
01:00:12.240 talking
01:00:12.460 about
01:00:12.780 this
01:00:13.040 much
01:00:13.300 more
01:00:13.560 powerful
01:00:14.380 army
01:00:14.800 on the
01:00:15.100 east
01:00:15.340 with
01:00:15.960 readiness
01:00:16.560 to
01:00:16.860 attack
01:00:17.160 anyone
01:00:17.640 from the
01:00:18.220 Baltic
01:00:18.520 countries
01:00:18.900 whatever
01:00:19.700 until the
01:00:20.240 whatever
01:00:20.440 97
01:00:20.840 division line
01:00:22.020 or whatever
01:00:22.440 just without
01:00:23.880 any resources
01:00:24.580 that Europe
01:00:25.560 can provide
01:00:26.660 to defend
01:00:27.400 to defend
01:00:27.420 itself
01:00:27.680 to defend
01:00:28.300 themselves
01:00:29.840 look
01:00:31.240 nuclear
01:00:32.940 weapons
01:00:33.300 is a
01:00:33.600 very
01:00:33.740 important
01:00:34.100 stuff
01:00:34.480 but
01:00:34.820 first of
01:00:35.280 all
01:00:35.400 there are
01:00:35.620 only two
01:00:35.980 countries
01:00:36.400 now
01:00:36.860 Britain
01:00:37.300 and
01:00:37.700 France
01:00:38.080 and
01:00:38.660 the
01:00:38.960 number
01:00:39.340 of
01:00:39.600 those
01:00:40.000 assets
01:00:40.800 is
01:00:41.200 smaller
01:00:41.700 than
01:00:42.620 Russia
01:00:42.980 has
01:00:43.340 its
01:00:43.600 one
01:00:43.940 second
01:00:44.860 it
01:00:46.040 means
01:00:46.400 it
01:00:46.700 immediately
01:00:47.360 poses
01:00:47.860 the
01:00:48.080 question
01:00:48.420 about
01:00:48.800 the
01:00:49.180 spreading
01:00:49.920 of
01:00:50.500 nuclear
01:00:50.920 weapons
01:00:51.280 around
01:00:51.540 the
01:00:51.700 world
01:00:51.940 because
01:00:52.800 in
01:00:53.160 this
01:00:53.420 new
01:00:53.600 situation
01:00:53.940 because
01:00:54.300 the
01:00:54.480 budapest
01:00:54.860 memorandum
01:00:55.420 was
01:00:55.640 an
01:00:55.900 instrument
01:00:56.840 that
01:00:57.440 could
01:00:57.680 show
01:00:58.020 to
01:00:58.240 the
01:00:58.440 rest
01:00:58.660 of
01:00:58.780 the
01:00:58.960 world
01:00:59.260 that
01:00:59.640 it
01:00:59.780 is
01:00:59.940 possible
01:01:00.260 to
01:01:00.480 have
01:01:00.680 international
01:01:01.300 whatever
01:01:02.320 agreements
01:01:03.120 that
01:01:03.980 countries
01:01:04.720 would not
01:01:05.380 acquire
01:01:06.040 nuclear
01:01:06.560 weapons
01:01:07.060 and
01:01:07.740 at the
01:01:08.560 same
01:01:08.780 time
01:01:09.160 won't
01:01:10.040 be
01:01:10.240 attacked
01:01:10.680 this
01:01:12.580 experiment
01:01:13.220 failed
01:01:13.740 dramatically
01:01:15.100 openly
01:01:15.940 that
01:01:17.260 the
01:01:17.720 only
01:01:18.060 lesson
01:01:18.560 that
01:01:19.180 anyone
01:01:19.640 could
01:01:20.320 learn
01:01:20.600 from
01:01:20.800 this
01:01:21.020 experience
01:01:21.520 that
01:01:22.140 it
01:01:22.300 is
01:01:22.500 absolute
01:01:23.100 necessity
01:01:23.700 to
01:01:24.140 acquire
01:01:24.560 nuclear
01:01:25.140 weapons
01:01:25.620 this
01:01:26.240 is
01:01:26.380 only
01:01:26.820 deterrent
01:01:27.580 that
01:01:28.120 can
01:01:28.340 be
01:01:28.560 used
01:01:28.860 from
01:01:29.140 any
01:01:29.460 potential
01:01:29.860 aggression
01:01:30.280 i've
01:01:30.600 made
01:01:30.760 this
01:01:30.960 point
01:01:31.240 so
01:01:31.580 that
01:01:31.900 is
01:01:32.040 why
01:01:32.300 ukraine
01:01:33.100 poland
01:01:33.960 germany
01:01:34.740 turkey
01:01:35.300 iran
01:01:35.960 uh
01:01:37.100 south
01:01:37.660 korea
01:01:38.160 taiwan
01:01:38.660 uh
01:01:39.400 many
01:01:39.660 other
01:01:39.880 countries
01:01:40.240 that
01:01:40.420 come on
01:01:41.360 if
01:01:42.320 those
01:01:42.980 international
01:01:43.520 institutions
01:01:44.340 are
01:01:44.680 irrelevant
01:01:45.460 and
01:01:46.180 became
01:01:46.740 irrelevant
01:01:47.360 because
01:01:47.940 the
01:01:48.740 big
01:01:49.380 the
01:01:50.080 great
01:01:50.740 powers
01:01:51.400 like
01:01:51.700 the
01:01:51.840 united
01:01:52.120 states
01:01:52.660 first of
01:01:54.140 the
01:01:54.340 united
01:01:54.640 states
01:01:55.140 just
01:01:55.860 made
01:01:56.320 them
01:01:56.660 irrelevant
01:01:57.320 so
01:01:57.720 the
01:01:58.180 only
01:01:58.380 way
01:01:58.640 how
01:01:58.840 can
01:01:59.060 we
01:01:59.240 defend
01:01:59.880 ourselves
01:02:00.200 is
01:02:00.600 just
01:02:00.880 to
01:02:01.020 acquire
01:02:01.360 nuclear
01:02:01.680 weapons
01:02:02.040 so
01:02:02.560 that
01:02:02.760 is
01:02:02.920 why
01:02:03.180 this
01:02:03.600 is
01:02:03.760 the
01:02:03.980 strongest
01:02:04.820 argument
01:02:05.620 for
01:02:06.700 spreading
01:02:08.200 nuclear
01:02:08.920 weapons
01:02:09.260 around
01:02:09.480 the world
01:02:09.760 i agree
01:02:10.080 i made
01:02:10.440 this point
01:02:10.840 recently
01:02:11.280 and i
01:02:11.520 think
01:02:11.660 it's
01:02:11.820 actually
01:02:12.100 an
01:02:12.300 incredibly
01:02:12.660 obvious
01:02:13.080 point
01:02:13.420 that
01:02:13.600 no
01:02:13.800 one
01:02:14.020 i
01:02:14.380 other
01:02:14.920 than
01:02:15.120 you
01:02:15.320 and
01:02:15.540 me
01:02:15.700 i've
01:02:15.880 not
01:02:16.080 heard
01:02:16.240 anyone
01:02:16.560 talk
01:02:16.820 about
01:02:17.040 this
01:02:17.240 even
01:02:17.480 though
01:02:17.680 so
01:02:17.900 obvious
01:02:18.240 but
01:02:19.120 nonetheless
01:02:20.060 you're
01:02:20.540 saying
01:02:20.980 if
01:02:21.540 you
01:02:21.880 if
01:02:22.420 the
01:02:22.840 americans
01:02:23.280 let
01:02:23.640 ukraine
01:02:24.280 be
01:02:24.440 subjugated
01:02:25.160 the
01:02:25.400 ukrainians
01:02:25.960 will be
01:02:26.440 added
01:02:26.640 to the
01:02:27.000 russian
01:02:27.240 army
01:02:27.560 and then
01:02:27.900 that
01:02:28.060 army
01:02:28.260 can
01:02:28.420 be
01:02:28.540 used
01:02:28.660 against
01:02:28.900 europe
01:02:29.100 and
01:02:29.260 what
01:02:29.420 i'm
01:02:29.620 saying
01:02:29.860 is
01:02:30.080 european
01:02:30.840 countries
01:02:31.180 have
01:02:31.340 nuclear
01:02:31.620 weapons
01:02:31.960 they
01:02:32.140 can
01:02:32.300 use
01:02:32.500 to
01:02:32.680 deter
01:02:33.000 that
01:02:33.320 that
01:02:34.340 that's
01:02:34.560 the
01:02:35.040 comfort
01:02:35.400 that
01:02:35.640 a lot
01:02:35.880 of
01:02:36.020 europeans
01:02:36.660 will
01:02:37.180 take
01:02:37.640 and
01:02:37.800 they
01:02:37.920 will
01:02:38.020 say
01:02:38.160 we
01:02:38.320 don't
01:02:38.740 need
01:02:38.880 to
01:02:38.980 do
01:02:39.100 anything
01:02:39.440 we've
01:02:40.040 got
01:02:40.180 nuclear
01:02:40.420 weapons
01:02:40.740 britain
01:02:41.020 and
01:02:41.160 france
01:02:41.400 will
01:02:41.540 be
01:02:41.660 fine
01:02:41.880 no
01:02:42.200 it's
01:02:42.760 absolutely
01:02:43.120 necessary
01:02:43.460 that is
01:02:43.960 why i
01:02:44.220 understand
01:02:44.580 that
01:02:44.840 just
01:02:45.180 now
01:02:45.700 brits
01:02:46.460 and french
01:02:46.900 are talking
01:02:47.460 with germans
01:02:48.080 because the
01:02:49.020 very obvious
01:02:50.060 first step
01:02:50.660 is just
01:02:51.080 nuclearization
01:02:52.060 of germany
01:02:52.600 nobody would
01:02:54.040 think about
01:02:54.560 after the
01:02:54.980 second world
01:02:55.460 war
01:02:55.760 and the
01:02:56.960 person who
01:02:58.100 made it
01:02:58.740 possible
01:02:59.220 even just
01:03:00.020 thinking
01:03:00.900 and conversations
01:03:01.680 and i
01:03:02.540 could not
01:03:03.900 exclude that
01:03:04.460 will be
01:03:04.760 actions
01:03:05.160 is just
01:03:05.800 the current
01:03:06.180 u.s
01:03:06.480 administration
01:03:07.000 nuclearization
01:03:08.280 of germany
01:03:08.840 nuclearization
01:03:09.520 of poland
01:03:10.020 nuclearization
01:03:10.700 of ukraine
01:03:11.460 nuclearization
01:03:12.460 of many
01:03:12.760 other
01:03:12.960 countries
01:03:13.240 including
01:03:14.560 nuclearization
01:03:15.720 of iran
01:03:16.360 because what
01:03:17.460 would be
01:03:17.940 the best
01:03:18.560 way to
01:03:19.060 deter
01:03:19.920 anyone
01:03:20.860 including
01:03:21.660 the united
01:03:22.060 states
01:03:22.380 from attacking
01:03:23.000 iran
01:03:23.680 is just
01:03:24.280 nuclear
01:03:24.580 weapons
01:03:24.800 it's a good
01:03:25.100 point
01:03:25.360 well taken
01:03:25.940 but i'm
01:03:26.360 saying
01:03:26.580 something
01:03:26.880 else
01:03:27.160 which is
01:03:27.580 your
01:03:28.000 claim
01:03:28.620 is that
01:03:29.700 if ukraine
01:03:30.420 is forced
01:03:31.620 to sign
01:03:32.220 a ceasefire
01:03:32.800 that leads
01:03:33.220 to subjugation
01:03:34.180 europe will
01:03:35.300 then be
01:03:35.740 attacked
01:03:36.200 and what
01:03:37.100 i'm saying
01:03:37.520 is europeans
01:03:38.400 won't be
01:03:39.220 attacked
01:03:39.600 or at least
01:03:40.020 people will
01:03:40.480 argue europeans
01:03:41.380 won't be
01:03:41.640 attacked
01:03:41.980 because europe
01:03:43.220 has the
01:03:43.720 nuclear deterrent
01:03:44.520 no uh
01:03:46.080 because uh
01:03:46.960 right now
01:03:47.700 the french
01:03:48.680 uh nuclear
01:03:50.500 is being used
01:03:51.420 for defense
01:03:52.180 of france
01:03:52.780 british uh
01:03:54.720 nuclear weapons
01:03:55.420 is just
01:03:56.340 for britain
01:03:57.020 not for
01:03:58.220 uh the
01:03:59.040 whole continent
01:03:59.680 because uh
01:04:00.920 the nuclear
01:04:01.680 deterrent
01:04:02.540 and nuclear
01:04:03.100 umbrella for
01:04:03.920 the whole
01:04:04.280 continent
01:04:04.660 was provided
01:04:05.600 by the
01:04:05.960 united
01:04:06.160 states
01:04:06.560 now
01:04:07.540 only
01:04:08.500 if this
01:04:09.420 umbrella
01:04:09.840 is been
01:04:10.460 taken
01:04:11.060 away
01:04:11.640 so
01:04:12.360 new
01:04:12.760 question
01:04:13.200 appeared
01:04:13.680 who
01:04:14.200 would
01:04:14.760 defend
01:04:15.340 the whole
01:04:16.020 european
01:04:16.660 continent
01:04:17.120 and that
01:04:18.160 is the
01:04:18.440 subject of
01:04:18.920 discussions
01:04:19.380 that going
01:04:20.040 right now
01:04:20.640 everywhere
01:04:21.140 so that is
01:04:22.400 why we don't
01:04:22.920 know what
01:04:23.380 would be
01:04:23.740 the result
01:04:24.160 i cannot
01:04:24.680 exclude
01:04:25.240 uh
01:04:26.140 some potential
01:04:26.940 outcome
01:04:27.600 that we
01:04:28.180 we touched
01:04:28.720 a little bit
01:04:29.260 about
01:04:29.540 but it
01:04:30.320 means that
01:04:31.080 it means
01:04:31.940 much faster
01:04:33.640 immediate
01:04:34.240 spread of
01:04:35.380 these nuclear
01:04:36.160 technologies
01:04:36.780 and missile
01:04:37.960 technologies
01:04:38.640 and it is
01:04:39.900 exactly what
01:04:40.660 uh putin
01:04:41.500 so officially
01:04:42.340 proclaimed that
01:04:43.000 he's not
01:04:43.400 interested or
01:04:44.520 some kind of
01:04:44.980 he's so-called
01:04:45.600 afraid that
01:04:46.520 uh missiles
01:04:47.640 would be placed
01:04:48.540 on ukrainian
01:04:49.160 territory
01:04:49.560 ukrainians never
01:04:50.780 thought about
01:04:51.340 that it was
01:04:52.100 only in
01:04:52.640 imagination of
01:04:53.400 putin but
01:04:54.360 now
01:04:54.840 it will
01:04:56.400 be self
01:04:57.440 uh
01:04:58.500 fulfilled
01:04:59.180 prophecy
01:04:59.620 because it's
01:05:00.780 exactly the
01:05:01.340 way how
01:05:01.920 ukrainians
01:05:02.440 could defend
01:05:03.500 themselves
01:05:03.960 so that is
01:05:05.460 why uh
01:05:06.260 we cannot
01:05:07.240 forecast
01:05:07.860 everything that
01:05:08.640 might happen
01:05:09.580 but just it
01:05:10.620 is absolutely
01:05:11.080 clear that
01:05:11.780 ukrainians
01:05:12.360 would be
01:05:13.100 acquire
01:05:13.820 or produce
01:05:15.180 themselves
01:05:15.700 with potential
01:05:17.060 collaboration
01:05:17.700 however
01:05:18.160 just uh
01:05:19.500 the crucial
01:05:20.260 technologies
01:05:21.280 military
01:05:21.920 capabilities
01:05:22.620 that are
01:05:23.640 necessary for
01:05:24.340 their defense
01:05:25.020 and for the
01:05:26.160 defense of the
01:05:26.740 european
01:05:27.240 continent
01:05:27.860 this is the
01:05:28.720 only way
01:05:29.220 to do it
01:05:30.080 and the
01:05:30.700 same story
01:05:31.220 uh for
01:05:32.480 europe
01:05:33.140 and just
01:05:34.660 recently
01:05:35.320 three baltic
01:05:36.300 countries
01:05:36.780 estonia
01:05:37.260 latvia and
01:05:37.700 lithuania
01:05:38.180 uh some
01:05:38.980 kind of work
01:05:39.440 out from
01:05:39.980 ottawa protocol
01:05:40.840 for land
01:05:41.460 mines
01:05:41.800 absolutely
01:05:42.960 clear because
01:05:43.720 they are not
01:05:44.380 interested in
01:05:45.180 being attacked
01:05:46.140 and subjugated
01:05:46.920 uh by forces
01:05:48.040 from the east
01:05:48.800 so that is why
01:05:49.840 they're digging
01:05:50.340 and building
01:05:51.160 the fortresses
01:05:52.280 uh fortifications
01:05:53.280 on the eastern
01:05:53.880 border
01:05:54.220 that is why
01:05:55.180 uh finns
01:05:56.160 uh are doing
01:05:57.040 a lot for
01:05:57.780 uh strengthening
01:05:58.440 their uh defense
01:05:59.800 and as a
01:06:01.720 also necessary
01:06:02.580 step
01:06:03.060 obvious step
01:06:05.060 is with just
01:06:05.720 formation of
01:06:06.720 new military
01:06:07.180 alliance
01:06:07.700 either within
01:06:09.700 nato or
01:06:10.980 outside of
01:06:11.700 nato or
01:06:12.120 partially nato
01:06:12.880 outside of
01:06:13.460 nato uh
01:06:14.620 among so-called
01:06:15.800 front states
01:06:16.640 front states
01:06:18.140 which is ukraine
01:06:18.960 poland baltic
01:06:19.800 countries finland
01:06:20.640 uh may might
01:06:21.940 be sweden
01:06:22.820 maybe might
01:06:23.820 be november
01:06:24.720 might be
01:06:25.520 denmark
01:06:26.040 with brits
01:06:27.040 or not
01:06:27.400 brits
01:06:27.720 it depends
01:06:28.500 but for
01:06:29.400 them it
01:06:29.960 became issue
01:06:30.940 of survival
01:06:32.160 which did
01:06:33.320 not exist
01:06:33.780 three years
01:06:34.120 ago
01:06:34.420 because three
01:06:35.240 years ago
01:06:35.660 and over
01:06:36.100 three years
01:06:36.520 uh last
01:06:37.520 three years
01:06:37.940 it was a
01:06:38.920 general
01:06:39.180 understanding
01:06:39.860 that in
01:06:40.640 the time
01:06:41.620 of very
01:06:43.020 substantial
01:06:43.600 european
01:06:44.640 crisis or
01:06:45.180 international
01:06:45.480 crisis
01:06:46.000 united states
01:06:47.080 might come
01:06:47.900 or will
01:06:48.480 come for
01:06:49.480 support
01:06:49.900 now there
01:06:50.780 is nobody
01:06:51.200 nobody has
01:06:51.840 such a
01:06:52.360 such a
01:06:53.740 belief
01:06:54.060 no that
01:06:55.160 that belief
01:06:55.800 is completely
01:06:56.380 undermined
01:06:57.220 and that is
01:06:58.360 why they need
01:06:58.940 to do
01:06:59.220 something
01:06:59.560 themselves
01:07:00.180 i find this
01:07:02.660 incredibly
01:07:03.140 worrying with
01:07:03.900 the knowledge
01:07:04.360 that i have
01:07:04.780 of the uk
01:07:05.220 which has
01:07:06.040 pursued a
01:07:06.740 policy of
01:07:07.380 demilitarization
01:07:08.720 de-industrialization
01:07:10.780 and as a
01:07:12.340 result of that
01:07:12.940 we simply
01:07:13.560 don't have
01:07:14.500 the capacity
01:07:15.100 to take
01:07:16.500 on any
01:07:16.920 type of
01:07:17.360 army
01:07:17.600 let alone
01:07:18.220 the russian
01:07:19.060 army
01:07:19.440 i mean we
01:07:20.200 we just
01:07:21.060 don't have
01:07:21.800 any type
01:07:22.580 of army
01:07:22.980 anymore
01:07:23.360 really
01:07:24.000 francis i
01:07:25.600 completely agree
01:07:26.220 with your
01:07:26.760 observation but
01:07:27.720 i would probably
01:07:28.500 make it
01:07:29.920 even worse
01:07:30.940 uh because
01:07:32.060 i'm trying to
01:07:32.740 use not only
01:07:33.260 emotions but
01:07:33.880 also facts
01:07:34.560 just several
01:07:36.080 facts
01:07:36.500 uh last
01:07:38.200 year about
01:07:38.960 a year ago
01:07:39.640 there was a
01:07:40.280 publication uh
01:07:41.540 from the military
01:07:42.260 sources here in
01:07:42.980 the united
01:07:43.240 states that
01:07:44.400 was saying that
01:07:45.160 united states
01:07:46.160 not only uk
01:07:46.860 united states
01:07:47.960 is producing
01:07:49.260 uh artillery
01:07:50.600 shells
01:07:51.120 155
01:07:52.660 millimeters
01:07:53.120 caliber
01:07:54.040 three times
01:07:55.740 less than
01:07:56.560 russia
01:07:56.940 once again
01:07:58.880 us versus
01:08:00.200 russia
01:08:00.580 gdp
01:08:01.860 of the united
01:08:04.100 states
01:08:04.520 they claim that
01:08:05.780 might be 10
01:08:06.300 times more than
01:08:07.100 russian
01:08:07.440 gdp
01:08:08.240 but the
01:08:09.280 output of
01:08:10.360 artillery
01:08:10.960 shells
01:08:11.540 three times
01:08:12.680 more in
01:08:13.760 russia
01:08:14.120 than in the
01:08:15.880 united states
01:08:16.440 you know how
01:08:17.560 many artillery
01:08:18.520 shells
01:08:18.960 united states
01:08:19.740 sent to
01:08:20.280 ukraine during
01:08:20.860 these three
01:08:21.240 years of
01:08:21.580 war
01:08:21.780 i know
01:08:22.840 i just
01:08:23.360 following
01:08:23.660 these
01:08:23.880 events
01:08:24.240 three million
01:08:25.180 you know
01:08:26.460 how many
01:08:27.040 artillery shells
01:08:28.020 north korea
01:08:28.960 gave to
01:08:29.920 putin
01:08:30.240 during
01:08:30.960 1.5
01:08:32.300 one and a
01:08:33.220 half years
01:08:33.700 till
01:08:34.340 twice
01:08:35.060 shorter
01:08:35.680 six million
01:08:37.060 so
01:08:38.380 north korea
01:08:39.600 gave putin
01:08:40.860 twice more
01:08:42.280 artillery shells
01:08:44.020 of high
01:08:44.700 caliber
01:08:45.180 152
01:08:46.200 155
01:08:47.320 millimeters
01:08:47.780 than united
01:08:48.700 states to
01:08:49.400 ukraine
01:08:50.220 and now
01:08:50.920 united states
01:08:51.480 they have
01:08:52.300 stocks are
01:08:53.020 empty
01:08:53.400 they cannot
01:08:54.720 give more
01:08:55.360 just think
01:08:56.960 about that
01:08:57.580 it's not even
01:08:58.680 comparing
01:08:59.240 united states
01:09:00.440 towards russia
01:09:01.180 but united
01:09:02.500 states towards
01:09:03.240 north korea
01:09:04.580 three years
01:09:05.420 ago
01:09:05.840 nobody who
01:09:07.180 would say
01:09:07.880 something that
01:09:08.520 will not be
01:09:09.120 considered a
01:09:09.760 sane person
01:09:10.340 because it's
01:09:11.700 absolutely out
01:09:12.580 of any
01:09:13.100 understanding
01:09:13.620 so but
01:09:14.980 this is only
01:09:15.320 beginning
01:09:15.820 just together
01:09:19.040 united states
01:09:20.700 in europe
01:09:21.300 output of
01:09:23.960 artillery shells
01:09:24.700 today is
01:09:25.520 less
01:09:26.040 it's about
01:09:26.640 54 percent
01:09:27.540 if i
01:09:27.860 recall
01:09:28.660 correctly
01:09:29.920 of the
01:09:31.180 output of
01:09:32.000 artillery shells
01:09:32.700 in russia
01:09:33.500 alone
01:09:33.880 so just
01:09:36.020 the
01:09:36.340 essentially
01:09:37.540 native
01:09:37.980 countries
01:09:38.460 putin
01:09:39.680 back
01:09:40.640 in november
01:09:42.120 last year
01:09:42.720 in bishkek
01:09:44.120 if i'm not
01:09:44.700 mistaken
01:09:46.620 had said
01:09:47.640 publicly
01:09:48.000 that russian
01:09:48.980 output of
01:09:49.720 missiles
01:09:50.280 of all
01:09:50.960 missiles
01:09:51.200 ballistic
01:09:51.560 missiles
01:09:51.940 cruise
01:09:52.160 missiles
01:09:52.560 is ten
01:09:53.560 times more
01:09:54.340 than
01:09:54.740 native
01:09:55.220 combined
01:09:55.740 and he
01:09:58.460 added
01:09:58.760 that
01:09:59.420 this year
01:10:00.180 next year
01:10:00.800 because he
01:10:02.180 was talking
01:10:02.480 last november
01:10:03.420 so in
01:10:03.740 25
01:10:04.160 so this
01:10:05.240 output would
01:10:05.900 increase
01:10:06.460 30-35 percent
01:10:07.560 more
01:10:08.180 so we
01:10:09.540 can take
01:10:10.060 cautiously
01:10:10.800 putin's
01:10:12.680 words because
01:10:13.220 it might be
01:10:14.500 propaganda as
01:10:15.160 well but
01:10:16.060 some kind of
01:10:17.220 nevertheless we
01:10:17.920 need to
01:10:18.280 see this
01:10:19.220 but now we
01:10:20.320 move to
01:10:21.260 mark rute
01:10:22.800 former prime
01:10:24.720 minister of
01:10:25.160 netherlands
01:10:25.580 and now the
01:10:26.360 secretary general
01:10:27.180 of nato
01:10:27.880 and his talk
01:10:29.020 in
01:10:29.500 at munich
01:10:31.360 conference
01:10:31.920 on security
01:10:32.680 last month
01:10:33.980 what he
01:10:35.020 said
01:10:35.280 he said
01:10:36.920 publicly
01:10:37.380 on record
01:10:38.260 seems to
01:10:38.960 me he
01:10:39.200 knows
01:10:39.380 something
01:10:39.760 that the
01:10:40.700 total
01:10:41.040 military
01:10:41.500 output
01:10:42.000 of all
01:10:42.760 native
01:10:43.140 countries
01:10:43.720 combined
01:10:44.460 is 25
01:10:45.960 percent of
01:10:46.800 russian
01:10:47.300 military
01:10:48.580 output
01:10:49.060 four times
01:10:51.100 less
01:10:51.400 so that
01:10:53.060 is why
01:10:53.320 what you
01:10:53.620 are talking
01:10:53.940 about
01:10:54.440 about
01:10:55.120 uk
01:10:55.380 you're
01:10:55.700 right
01:10:55.960 and
01:10:57.340 your
01:10:57.840 observation
01:10:58.380 has been
01:10:58.780 confirmed
01:10:59.240 by number
01:11:00.360 of publications
01:11:01.240 facts
01:11:02.100 and so on
01:11:02.700 so what
01:11:03.480 conclusions
01:11:04.260 might be
01:11:05.500 made
01:11:06.000 from
01:11:06.860 these
01:11:07.460 facts
01:11:08.060 and numbers
01:11:08.480 one
01:11:09.660 option
01:11:10.380 is to
01:11:11.160 to surrender
01:11:14.040 and there'll
01:11:15.440 be peace
01:11:15.880 like on
01:11:17.560 the cemetery
01:11:18.300 it's not only
01:11:20.160 for ukraine
01:11:20.620 it will be
01:11:21.000 for uk
01:11:21.380 for the
01:11:21.860 whole europe
01:11:22.280 or the
01:11:23.820 different
01:11:24.100 approach
01:11:24.540 your former
01:11:26.120 prime minister
01:11:26.660 mr.
01:11:27.060 churchill
01:11:27.460 reminded us
01:11:28.380 that he can
01:11:29.480 promise on
01:11:29.960 only whatever
01:11:30.660 blood sweat
01:11:32.140 and tears
01:11:32.620 exactly
01:11:33.080 so but
01:11:34.360 this is a
01:11:35.560 very clear
01:11:36.200 challenge
01:11:36.720 and that
01:11:37.620 is why
01:11:37.900 up to
01:11:38.440 european
01:11:38.980 countries
01:11:39.300 up to
01:11:39.660 uk up
01:11:40.320 to the
01:11:40.540 united
01:11:40.740 states
01:11:41.160 easy to
01:11:42.020 take this
01:11:42.860 challenge
01:11:43.320 or to
01:11:44.680 surrender
01:11:45.040 so we
01:11:46.620 know the
01:11:46.980 answer
01:11:47.360 from mr
01:11:48.520 churchill
01:11:49.180 never
01:11:49.840 surrender
01:11:50.300 okay maybe
01:11:51.200 some other
01:11:51.720 generation
01:11:52.880 maybe some
01:11:53.420 other
01:11:53.600 politicians
01:11:54.020 will take
01:11:54.460 different
01:11:54.820 approach
01:11:55.140 we don't
01:11:55.560 know
01:11:55.820 but we
01:11:56.800 know what
01:11:57.200 can be
01:11:57.500 done in
01:11:57.840 this regard
01:11:58.320 and we
01:11:59.020 remember what
01:11:59.560 has happened
01:12:00.080 with the
01:12:00.400 united states
01:12:01.040 in back
01:12:01.540 in 1941
01:12:02.240 u.s. was
01:12:03.340 not yet
01:12:03.840 in the
01:12:04.240 war
01:12:04.540 when
01:12:05.640 roosevelt
01:12:06.460 signed
01:12:06.940 approved
01:12:08.380 this land
01:12:08.900 lease
01:12:09.080 program
01:12:09.560 and during
01:12:10.540 1941
01:12:11.520 before
01:12:12.040 december
01:12:12.560 7th
01:12:12.960 before attack
01:12:13.560 on turtle
01:12:13.940 harbor
01:12:14.240 the military
01:12:15.300 output of
01:12:16.300 the united
01:12:16.740 states
01:12:17.120 increased
01:12:17.540 several
01:12:17.820 times
01:12:18.180 and they
01:12:19.300 started to
01:12:19.720 provide
01:12:20.020 this
01:12:20.340 military
01:12:20.980 ammunition
01:12:21.380 to
01:12:21.660 first of
01:12:22.280 all to
01:12:22.440 the united
01:12:22.800 kingdom
01:12:23.200 and only
01:12:25.620 after that
01:12:26.160 to other
01:12:27.380 participants
01:12:27.820 in this
01:12:28.200 war
01:12:28.420 so this
01:12:29.240 is a
01:12:29.580 very clear
01:12:30.080 challenge
01:12:30.540 it's up
01:12:31.160 to the
01:12:31.900 european
01:12:32.640 countries
01:12:32.940 to decide
01:12:33.460 by the
01:12:34.180 way
01:12:34.440 just
01:12:35.160 if we
01:12:35.700 go back
01:12:36.300 not only
01:12:37.360 for european
01:12:37.900 countries
01:12:38.200 and not
01:12:38.540 only for
01:12:39.240 second
01:12:39.860 world war
01:12:40.460 just four
01:12:41.320 years ago
01:12:41.860 ukraine
01:12:42.700 whether
01:12:43.380 ukraine
01:12:43.700 was wanted
01:12:44.180 whether it
01:12:45.860 wanted to
01:12:46.540 participate
01:12:47.080 in the
01:12:47.380 war in
01:12:47.620 russia
01:12:47.800 no
01:12:48.100 look at
01:12:48.900 this
01:12:49.100 it's
01:12:49.300 unbelievable
01:12:50.020 they had
01:12:50.920 they were
01:12:51.720 spending
01:12:52.120 on
01:12:52.900 military
01:12:53.380 purposes
01:12:54.500 some kind
01:12:55.440 of
01:12:55.580 less than
01:12:56.000 two percent
01:12:56.360 of gdp
01:12:56.940 even they
01:12:58.000 have this
01:12:58.440 war in
01:12:59.000 donbass
01:12:59.440 even the
01:13:00.520 kind of
01:13:00.800 many ukrainian
01:13:01.720 military
01:13:02.040 persons have
01:13:02.680 been killed
01:13:03.040 there
01:13:03.320 all arguments
01:13:05.260 in the
01:13:05.920 ukrainian society
01:13:06.860 for either
01:13:07.580 poroshenko
01:13:08.080 government
01:13:08.420 or zelensky
01:13:09.000 government
01:13:09.360 let's increase
01:13:10.520 military
01:13:10.900 expenditure
01:13:11.380 it is
01:13:11.860 absolutely
01:13:12.320 unsustainable
01:13:13.220 no
01:13:14.000 and poroshenko
01:13:16.380 and zelensky
01:13:16.840 said no
01:13:17.160 no
01:13:17.280 we are for
01:13:17.720 peace
01:13:18.000 and zelensky
01:13:19.120 won his
01:13:20.920 presidential election
01:13:21.880 with the
01:13:22.480 slogan
01:13:22.760 i will
01:13:23.240 bring
01:13:23.500 peace
01:13:23.860 exactly
01:13:24.560 like
01:13:24.920 mr
01:13:25.320 chamberlain
01:13:25.780 coming
01:13:26.040 from
01:13:26.280 munich
01:13:26.580 so
01:13:27.280 i'm
01:13:27.560 not
01:13:27.720 going
01:13:27.920 to
01:13:28.100 fight
01:13:28.420 so
01:13:28.960 just
01:13:29.180 i'm
01:13:29.440 going
01:13:29.580 to
01:13:29.720 have
01:13:29.880 peace
01:13:30.200 because
01:13:30.840 what
01:13:31.400 is
01:13:31.560 necessary
01:13:31.840 just
01:13:32.140 necessary
01:13:32.560 just
01:13:32.880 to
01:13:33.060 stop
01:13:33.280 fighting
01:13:33.720 stop
01:13:34.380 shooting
01:13:34.800 it was
01:13:35.400 his
01:13:35.600 words
01:13:35.960 what is
01:13:37.220 the
01:13:37.400 level
01:13:37.800 of
01:13:37.980 military
01:13:38.240 expenditures
01:13:38.660 right
01:13:38.960 now
01:13:39.240 in
01:13:39.820 ukraine
01:13:40.380 more than
01:13:41.120 32 percent
01:13:42.000 of
01:13:42.960 gdp
01:13:43.400 because
01:13:45.420 there is
01:13:45.960 no way
01:13:46.320 to survive
01:13:46.940 but to
01:13:47.920 spend
01:13:48.360 on security
01:13:49.120 on defense
01:13:50.120 so
01:13:50.820 same
01:13:51.300 same
01:13:52.780 challenge
01:13:53.200 is in
01:13:54.520 front of
01:13:55.020 european
01:13:55.400 countries
01:13:55.720 now
01:13:56.360 poles
01:13:57.800 spend
01:13:58.320 maybe
01:13:58.580 4.3
01:13:59.280 percent
01:13:59.740 lithuanians
01:14:01.280 are promising
01:14:01.840 to increase
01:14:02.740 up to
01:14:03.040 6 percent
01:14:03.540 of gdp
01:14:04.140 but it's
01:14:04.740 incomparable
01:14:05.240 what
01:14:05.620 level
01:14:07.080 of
01:14:07.320 military
01:14:07.580 expenditures
01:14:08.040 during
01:14:08.380 the
01:14:08.560 cold
01:14:08.780 war
01:14:09.040 for
01:14:10.220 countries
01:14:11.220 of
01:14:11.480 europe
01:14:11.740 or
01:14:12.120 the
01:14:12.360 united
01:14:12.580 states
01:14:12.940 this is
01:14:13.760 a challenge
01:14:14.200 it's
01:14:14.400 a kind
01:14:14.620 of
01:14:14.720 choice
01:14:15.120 either
01:14:15.800 you
01:14:16.020 will
01:14:16.220 be
01:14:16.400 subjugated
01:14:17.120 and
01:14:17.400 you
01:14:17.540 will
01:14:17.720 surrender
01:14:18.120 and
01:14:18.380 that
01:14:18.520 is
01:14:18.660 why
01:14:18.880 another
01:14:19.820 gulag
01:14:20.220 will
01:14:20.400 be
01:14:20.560 built
01:14:20.900 on
01:14:21.320 territory
01:14:21.760 of
01:14:21.960 your
01:14:22.080 countries
01:14:22.500 and
01:14:22.820 your
01:14:22.980 people
01:14:23.220 will
01:14:23.460 be
01:14:23.980 conscripted
01:14:25.000 and
01:14:25.200 killed
01:14:25.460 in
01:14:25.800 your
01:14:26.040 imperial
01:14:26.800 wars
01:14:27.220 or
01:14:27.620 other
01:14:27.900 people
01:14:28.180 who
01:14:28.440 do
01:14:28.680 not
01:14:28.920 like
01:14:29.440 to
01:14:29.620 be
01:14:29.740 there
01:14:29.980 just
01:14:30.240 will
01:14:30.440 be
01:14:30.640 put
01:14:31.140 in
01:14:31.400 gulag
01:14:32.040 or
01:14:32.260 exterminated
01:14:32.940 as
01:14:33.520 all
01:14:34.260 political
01:14:34.720 elite
01:14:35.040 of
01:14:35.180 baltic
01:14:35.460 countries
01:14:35.920 or
01:14:36.540 polish
01:14:37.020 elite
01:14:37.380 or
01:14:38.080 elite
01:14:38.880 in
01:14:39.060 the
01:14:39.160 western
01:14:39.360 ukraine
01:14:39.800 or
01:14:40.880 to
01:14:41.220 fight
01:14:41.500 there
01:14:41.920 is
01:14:42.020 no
01:14:42.140 other
01:14:42.320 ways
01:14:42.640 well
01:14:44.220 andre
01:14:44.560 it's
01:14:45.280 very
01:14:45.500 serious
01:14:46.020 things
01:14:46.580 you're
01:14:46.760 saying
01:14:47.120 i think
01:14:48.520 people
01:14:48.980 will
01:14:49.220 be
01:14:49.720 scared
01:14:52.140 but
01:14:52.400 also
01:14:52.600 confused
01:14:53.180 and
01:14:53.440 it's
01:14:53.800 very
01:14:54.140 early
01:14:54.360 days
01:14:54.640 in
01:14:54.760 the
01:14:54.860 trump
01:14:55.040 administration
01:14:55.480 i
01:14:56.080 will
01:14:56.280 say
01:14:56.500 very
01:14:56.820 sincerely
01:14:57.220 that
01:14:57.460 i
01:14:57.580 hope
01:14:57.740 you're
01:14:57.960 wrong
01:14:58.180 about
01:14:59.180 everything
01:14:59.540 you're
01:14:59.800 saying
01:15:00.100 but
01:15:01.720 sadly
01:15:02.500 i'm
01:15:02.720 afraid
01:15:02.920 we're
01:15:03.140 gonna
01:15:03.240 just
01:15:03.520 have
01:15:03.660 to
01:15:03.780 wait
01:15:03.940 and
01:15:04.100 see
01:15:04.300 you
01:15:05.220 know
01:15:05.440 i
01:15:06.960 completely
01:15:08.180 understand
01:15:08.620 your
01:15:08.840 point
01:15:09.100 so
01:15:09.320 in
01:15:09.660 year
01:15:09.840 2008
01:15:10.280 when
01:15:11.080 there
01:15:11.220 was
01:15:11.340 a
01:15:11.460 russian
01:15:11.700 georgian
01:15:12.240 war
01:15:12.480 when
01:15:12.760 putin
01:15:13.160 put
01:15:13.740 his
01:15:14.040 troops
01:15:14.420 against
01:15:15.420 georgia
01:15:15.880 and
01:15:16.180 occupied
01:15:16.680 abkhazia
01:15:17.280 in
01:15:17.560 south
01:15:17.860 georgian
01:15:19.960 regions
01:15:20.420 so
01:15:21.240 mr
01:15:21.800 sakesh
01:15:22.160 will
01:15:22.360 say
01:15:23.600 the
01:15:23.800 next
01:15:24.060 will
01:15:24.240 be
01:15:24.400 crimea
01:15:24.940 i
01:15:25.700 was
01:15:25.860 thinking
01:15:26.080 about
01:15:26.320 that
01:15:26.460 i
01:15:26.600 said
01:15:26.760 yes
01:15:27.000 next
01:15:27.480 will
01:15:27.640 be
01:15:27.800 crimea
01:15:29.540 people
01:15:42.380 were laughing
01:15:42.800 at me
01:15:43.220 it's just
01:15:43.580 people
01:15:44.160 come on
01:15:45.320 this guy
01:15:46.020 is absolutely
01:15:46.560 insane
01:15:47.080 it was
01:15:47.580 completely
01:15:48.120 crazy
01:15:48.560 putin
01:15:48.960 is our
01:15:49.280 best
01:15:49.580 friend
01:15:49.920 russia
01:15:51.120 is our
01:15:51.820 historical
01:15:52.520 friend
01:15:52.960 for
01:15:53.180 centuries
01:15:53.740 that
01:15:54.120 cannot
01:15:54.440 happen
01:15:54.840 and
01:15:55.340 this
01:15:55.540 person
01:15:55.780 is
01:15:55.960 trying
01:15:56.200 to
01:15:56.400 solve
01:15:56.760 some
01:15:57.020 kind
01:15:57.160 of
01:15:57.260 his
01:15:57.460 personal
01:15:57.800 problems
01:15:58.200 with
01:15:58.400 mr
01:15:58.680 putin
01:15:58.980 and
01:15:59.160 so
01:15:59.340 on
01:15:59.500 in
01:16:00.220 january
01:16:00.700 year
01:16:00.960 2014
01:16:01.700 during
01:16:02.720 maidan
01:16:03.240 i
01:16:03.400 happened
01:16:03.640 to
01:16:03.840 be
01:16:04.040 in
01:16:04.340 kiev
01:16:04.700 and
01:16:05.180 i
01:16:05.320 was
01:16:05.480 on
01:16:05.660 the
01:16:05.900 tv
01:16:06.560 show
01:16:06.940 with
01:16:07.180 12
01:16:07.560 the
01:16:07.980 best
01:16:08.320 ukrainian
01:16:09.240 experts
01:16:09.820 and
01:16:10.320 i
01:16:10.580 told
01:16:10.960 them
01:16:11.360 in
01:16:12.020 january
01:16:12.360 2014
01:16:13.120 i said
01:16:14.260 okay
01:16:14.580 just
01:16:15.260 watch
01:16:15.820 out
01:16:16.320 during
01:16:17.760 this
01:16:18.040 maidan
01:16:18.580 putin
01:16:19.160 will
01:16:19.340 go
01:16:19.600 for
01:16:19.860 crimea
01:16:20.500 all
01:16:21.460 12
01:16:21.740 people
01:16:22.060 ukrainians
01:16:22.620 were
01:16:22.860 just
01:16:23.400 laughing
01:16:23.940 just
01:16:24.600 this
01:16:24.780 person
01:16:25.200 is
01:16:25.520 crazy
01:16:26.000 on
01:16:27.660 february
01:16:28.200 20th
01:16:28.700 one
01:16:29.060 month
01:16:29.360 after
01:16:29.700 our
01:16:30.080 conversation
01:16:31.360 show
01:16:31.860 in
01:16:32.180 kiev
01:16:32.500 putin
01:16:33.120 started
01:16:33.400 operation
01:16:33.840 for
01:16:34.200 occupation
01:16:34.800 annexation
01:16:35.420 of
01:16:35.580 crimea
01:16:36.180 after
01:16:36.800 that
01:16:37.200 in
01:16:37.800 april
01:16:38.620 even
01:16:40.280 yes
01:16:40.880 in april
01:16:41.740 it
01:16:42.020 just
01:16:42.180 early
01:16:42.500 april
01:16:43.000 april
01:16:44.300 2
01:16:45.460 just
01:16:45.960 you
01:16:46.080 can
01:16:46.220 go
01:16:46.380 to
01:16:46.520 my
01:16:46.700 life
01:16:46.900 journal
01:16:47.100 you'll
01:16:47.380 find
01:16:47.600 this
01:16:47.920 statement
01:16:48.780 that
01:16:49.040 just
01:16:49.240 in
01:16:49.880 the
01:16:50.060 night
01:16:50.300 of
01:16:50.560 april
01:16:50.940 6
01:16:51.200 putin
01:16:52.280 will
01:16:52.440 start
01:16:52.680 operation
01:16:53.140 against
01:16:53.640 donbass
01:16:54.080 why
01:16:56.000 because
01:16:56.380 i read
01:16:56.940 what
01:16:57.300 they
01:16:57.720 have
01:16:57.960 they
01:16:59.880 have
01:17:00.220 written
01:17:00.740 in
01:17:01.580 in
01:17:02.540 their
01:17:03.080 in
01:17:03.340 their
01:17:03.520 website
01:17:04.000 and
01:17:05.300 people
01:17:05.580 are
01:17:05.800 laughing
01:17:06.180 from
01:17:07.500 the
01:17:07.680 night
01:17:07.960 of
01:17:08.480 april
01:17:09.960 6
01:17:10.300 strilkov
01:17:11.520 started
01:17:13.220 this
01:17:13.480 operation
01:17:13.900 for
01:17:14.200 occupation
01:17:14.680 of
01:17:14.920 slaviansk
01:17:15.520 and
01:17:15.920 this
01:17:16.180 so-called
01:17:17.140 donbass
01:17:17.600 war
01:17:17.900 after
01:17:18.780 that
01:17:19.100 in
01:17:19.360 august
01:17:19.820 year
01:17:20.180 2014
01:17:20.760 i
01:17:21.620 said
01:17:22.020 just
01:17:22.620 okay
01:17:22.920 if
01:17:23.820 ukrainians
01:17:24.640 would not
01:17:25.140 undertake
01:17:25.740 necessary
01:17:26.300 measures
01:17:26.660 immediately
01:17:27.140 will take
01:17:27.680 their
01:17:28.060 people
01:17:28.920 from
01:17:29.200 they
01:17:30.440 will
01:17:30.660 be
01:17:31.040 stabbed
01:17:31.600 in
01:17:32.560 the
01:17:32.720 back
01:17:33.020 by
01:17:33.860 russian
01:17:34.760 regular
01:17:35.100 forces
01:17:35.600 ukrainians
01:17:36.820 did not
01:17:37.160 do
01:17:37.400 and
01:17:37.860 after
01:17:38.040 that
01:17:38.260 russian
01:17:38.480 forces
01:17:38.840 crossed
01:17:39.200 the
01:17:39.380 border
01:17:39.640 circled
01:17:40.840 encircled
01:17:41.420 ukrainian
01:17:42.200 forces
01:17:42.480 and
01:17:43.320 killed
01:17:43.940 more
01:17:44.260 than
01:17:44.440 600
01:17:44.860 people
01:17:45.760 over
01:17:46.000 there
01:17:46.240 so
01:17:47.380 after
01:17:48.340 that
01:17:48.640 for
01:17:48.940 eight
01:17:49.700 years
01:17:49.960 from
01:17:50.160 year
01:17:50.320 2014
01:17:50.960 to
01:17:51.220 year
01:17:51.420 2022
01:17:52.220 i
01:17:52.700 was
01:17:52.860 talking
01:17:53.120 there
01:17:53.340 will
01:17:53.480 be
01:17:53.640 next
01:17:54.000 operation
01:17:54.580 full
01:17:55.220 scale
01:17:55.520 operation
01:17:56.000 against
01:17:56.620 ukraine
01:17:57.340 with
01:17:57.960 the
01:17:58.100 purpose
01:17:58.380 to
01:17:58.620 get
01:17:58.900 Kiev
01:18:00.620 to
01:18:00.880 get
01:18:01.060 Kiev
01:18:01.400 because
01:18:02.540 the dream
01:18:03.780 of
01:18:04.080 Putin
01:18:04.360 is not
01:18:05.060 Crimea
01:18:05.420 is not
01:18:06.140 Hercenez
01:18:06.820 not
01:18:07.500 Donbass
01:18:08.120 not
01:18:08.300 these
01:18:08.480 five
01:18:08.720 regions
01:18:09.100 Kiev
01:18:09.600 it
01:18:10.580 was
01:18:10.760 his
01:18:11.140 dream
01:18:12.220 that
01:18:12.820 he
01:18:13.000 was
01:18:13.240 telling
01:18:13.680 back
01:18:15.500 in
01:18:15.720 2003
01:18:16.420 2004
01:18:17.160 that
01:18:18.080 the
01:18:18.280 might
01:18:18.720 городов
01:18:19.160 russkich
01:18:19.460 mother
01:18:19.760 of
01:18:19.920 russian
01:18:20.140 cities
01:18:20.540 must be
01:18:21.340 under
01:18:21.480 his
01:18:21.760 control
01:18:22.240 nobody
01:18:23.520 believed
01:18:23.960 in
01:18:24.140 it
01:18:24.340 it
01:18:24.620 was
01:18:24.800 impossible
01:18:25.220 to
01:18:25.460 believe
01:18:25.680 in
01:18:25.840 it
01:18:26.060 and
01:18:26.780 after
01:18:26.960 that
01:18:27.140 we
01:18:27.280 have
01:18:27.460 February
01:18:28.060 24
01:18:28.660 February
01:18:29.940 24
01:18:30.900 of
01:18:31.040 22
01:18:31.420 once
01:18:32.820 again
01:18:33.140 Gold
01:18:34.060 the
01:18:34.240 mayor
01:18:34.540 told
01:18:35.960 us
01:18:36.260 along
01:18:37.460 with
01:18:37.880 survival
01:18:39.000 from
01:18:39.460 Nazi
01:18:40.280 concentration
01:18:40.840 camps
01:18:41.240 if
01:18:42.300 somebody
01:18:42.700 tells
01:18:43.140 you
01:18:43.300 regularly
01:18:43.760 told
01:18:44.540 to tell
01:18:44.980 you
01:18:45.120 regularly
01:18:45.480 that
01:18:46.080 he's
01:18:46.300 going
01:18:46.460 to
01:18:46.660 kill
01:18:46.860 you
01:18:47.180 trust
01:18:48.320 that
01:18:49.120 person
01:18:49.520 be
01:18:50.900 serious
01:18:51.500 do not
01:18:52.360 ignore
01:18:52.840 Putin
01:18:54.040 is
01:18:54.560 saying
01:18:55.000 for
01:18:55.580 25
01:18:56.220 years
01:18:56.860 in a
01:18:57.540 row
01:18:57.760 that
01:18:58.400 he's
01:18:58.720 going
01:18:59.020 to
01:18:59.320 establish
01:18:59.860 control
01:19:00.380 over
01:19:00.720 Europe
01:19:01.120 it
01:19:03.040 is
01:19:03.200 up
01:19:03.420 to
01:19:03.560 you
01:19:03.800 to
01:19:04.280 trust
01:19:04.640 him
01:19:04.840 or
01:19:05.060 not
01:19:05.240 to
01:19:05.400 trust
01:19:05.720 I
01:19:06.400 prefer
01:19:06.680 to
01:19:06.940 trust
01:19:07.280 that
01:19:07.560 person
01:19:07.940 that
01:19:08.360 he
01:19:08.520 is
01:19:08.660 serious
01:19:08.940 about
01:19:09.300 his
01:19:09.520 intentions
01:19:10.000 Andrei
01:19:13.520 that's
01:19:13.980 us
01:19:14.880 thank you
01:19:15.160 for coming
01:19:15.460 on the
01:19:15.700 show
01:19:15.840 and
01:19:16.040 giving
01:19:16.580 us
01:19:16.740 your
01:19:16.860 perspective
01:19:17.280 and
01:19:18.580 the
01:19:18.720 final
01:19:18.960 question
01:19:19.300 we
01:19:19.460 always
01:19:19.700 end
01:19:19.880 with
01:19:20.040 Andrei
01:19:20.440 is
01:19:20.580 what's
01:19:20.800 the
01:19:20.900 one
01:19:21.040 thing
01:19:21.220 we're
01:19:21.380 not
01:19:21.600 talking
01:19:21.940 about
01:19:22.220 as
01:19:22.540 a
01:19:22.700 society
01:19:23.160 that
01:19:23.740 we
01:19:23.840 really
01:19:24.060 should
01:19:24.300 be
01:19:24.520 sorry
01:19:25.920 what's
01:19:26.440 the
01:19:26.520 one
01:19:26.640 thing
01:19:26.820 we're
01:19:26.980 not
01:19:27.180 talking
01:19:27.560 about
01:19:27.920 as
01:19:29.080 a
01:19:29.220 society
01:19:29.620 that
01:19:29.820 we
01:19:29.980 really
01:19:30.220 should
01:19:30.440 be
01:19:30.620 I
01:19:31.100 laughed
01:19:31.680 because
01:19:32.180 what
01:19:33.160 you've
01:19:33.420 just
01:19:33.600 said
01:19:33.900 has
01:19:34.280 just
01:19:34.660 you
01:19:35.520 know
01:19:35.640 that's
01:19:36.040 the
01:19:36.140 one
01:19:36.300 thing
01:19:36.460 that
01:19:36.580 we
01:19:36.680 need
01:19:36.840 to
01:19:36.940 be
01:19:37.060 talking
01:19:37.320 about
01:19:37.520 but
01:19:37.680 what's
01:19:37.940 the
01:19:38.040 other
01:19:38.200 thing
01:19:38.520 before
01:19:39.420 Andrei
01:19:39.700 answers
01:19:40.040 the
01:19:40.200 final
01:19:40.420 question
01:19:40.800 at
01:19:41.080 the
01:19:41.220 end
01:19:41.340 of
01:19:41.440 the
01:19:41.560 interview
01:19:41.760 make
01:19:42.000 sure
01:19:42.140 you
01:19:42.300 click
01:19:42.600 the
01:19:51.380 gets
01:19:51.620 older
01:19:52.140 Was
01:19:53.120 there
01:19:53.300 a
01:19:53.460 time
01:19:53.740 early
01:19:54.120 in
01:19:54.320 Putin's
01:19:54.720 presidency
01:19:55.220 when
01:19:55.640 he
01:19:55.800 was
01:19:56.000 sincerely
01:19:56.420 open
01:19:56.840 to
01:19:57.060 closer
01:19:57.400 ties
01:19:57.760 with
01:19:57.920 the
01:19:58.060 West
01:19:58.380 What
01:19:59.480 role
01:19:59.760 if
01:19:59.940 any
01:20:00.180 does
01:20:00.940 geography
01:20:01.320 play
01:20:01.660 in
01:20:01.860 Russian
01:20:02.140 politics
01:20:02.760 I
01:20:03.680 hope
01:20:03.920 that
01:20:04.400 you
01:20:04.760 would
01:20:04.920 continue
01:20:05.280 what
01:20:05.500 you're
01:20:05.660 doing
01:20:05.980 because
01:20:06.480 once
01:20:06.760 again
01:20:07.040 you
01:20:07.760 are
01:20:07.980 a
01:20:08.180 rare
01:20:08.420 voice
01:20:09.180 in
01:20:09.840 the
01:20:10.040 English
01:20:10.360 speaking
01:20:10.740 world
01:20:11.240 that
01:20:12.240 at
01:20:12.600 least
01:20:12.940 ready
01:20:13.640 to
01:20:13.920 listen
01:20:14.260 to
01:20:16.000 what
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