TRIGGERnometry - Was the ＂Kill Whitey＂ BBC Joke Too Far？ with Freddy Quinne

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00:00:30.000 hello and welcome to trigonometry i'm francis foster i'm constantin kissin and this is a show

00:00:40.820 for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people our terrific guest today is

00:00:46.740 a comedian freddie quinn welcome to trigonometry hi thanks for having me i am a fascinating person

00:00:52.160 good okay cool i'm enjoying this i'm up for it man i'm psyched we can tell uh you don't even

00:01:03.120 know which camera to look at the level of professionalism among comedians is is very

00:01:07.980 well known uh but listen it's good to have you here actually for for most people won't know

00:01:12.800 this obviously because they don't have access to my facebook messenger uh thankfully uh you and i

00:01:17.860 were having a conversation in the wake of this thing that happened on frankie boyle's new world

00:01:23.160 order yeah where a comedian uh made the joke or trying to explain that when blm supporters say

00:01:31.460 kill whitey they don't really mean kill whitey and the joke was we do right right uh and uh i

00:01:38.860 sort of said that i always defend the comedian's right to make a joke but i also thought it was

00:01:43.920 inappropriate for whoever produced that show to include that bit i thought it was ill judged

00:01:48.320 uh at which point a lot of people sort of had some pushback on it and he's scratching his ear

00:01:54.720 and he was one of them but i actually thought the way you and i talked about it was pretty sensible

00:01:59.340 um so because you disagree we thought we'd get you on and we'll have a chat about it

00:02:03.760 yeah man i look i think disagree with people is a good thing like i never get those people

00:02:10.800 that like have big facebook statuses and if if you disagree on this unfriend me now and it's like

00:02:17.380 why would you want to surround yourself by people that think exactly the same as you do i like that

00:02:23.260 we think different things man and i like that we can talk about it so uh and i mean the fact that

00:02:28.400 obviously i'm right as well you know makes me feel a lot better well so to tell everybody what your

00:02:33.800 take on the whole situation was so right i was a little bit the reason that i messaged you is

00:02:39.860 because I was a little bit surprised that you sort of were kind of against,

00:02:48.220 because that's what it was, really.

00:02:49.780 You were against it being heard, weren't you, the Kill Whitey thing, yeah?

00:02:53.780 I was against it being broadcast on the principle that I thought

00:02:56.820 it probably wasn't the best part of that show.

00:02:59.220 I mean, maybe the tragedy is that it was, but I don't know.

00:03:04.120 My point is I thought it was an ill-advised thing for the BBC to broadcast.

00:03:09.860 That's not to say that she should be censored or punished for the joke.

00:03:13.920 But we all know we try new material, for example.

00:03:16.440 We don't include stuff that doesn't work very well, do we?

00:03:19.100 So that was my thought on it.

00:03:20.340 But it is to say that what you're doing is you're passing the issue of censorship

00:03:24.840 from the comic to the editor, which I don't think is a way of dealing with the issue.

00:03:30.880 I think you want to remove that censorship altogether.

00:03:34.020 That's surely everyone's end goal, isn't it?

00:03:36.980 Like, I don't understand why you would say, oh, well, the comic can say, oh, it's fine for the comic to say it, but the editor then has to make the choice. Blame the editor. I just feel like it was passing the book.

00:03:48.140 hmm well my my take on it is that you when you create curate a program you don't include

00:03:56.900 everything you make choices editorial choices about what you include and i thought particularly

00:04:02.320 at that moment in time where the racial conversation was very heated that was a very

00:04:07.100 ill-advised thing to broadcast it doesn't mean as i say that the comedian should be punished or

00:04:11.200 censored or anything like that i just didn't think it was a good bit of of thing to include that's

00:04:15.720 So why was it ill-advised?

00:04:20.100 Because I thought it wasn't funny, number one.

00:04:22.460 Do we agree on that?

00:04:23.520 I agree with you that, I mean, I don't personally think it was funny.

00:04:28.860 But two things.

00:04:30.280 Number one, I'm not the target audience for race-related comedy.

00:04:35.440 Do you know what I mean?

00:04:36.480 Aren't you?

00:04:37.380 I'm not the barometer.

00:04:40.460 Look, I'm not.

00:04:41.720 I don't, you know, the bits that I've seen of Sophie's stand-up,

00:04:45.520 I don't find it particularly funny, but I am not the target audience for it.

00:04:50.420 So I'm not like, I'm not weirdly naive enough to think that everything in the world should be tailored to suit me.

00:04:56.720 It's not to my taste, but give a shit.

00:04:59.920 It's not important that it wasn't funny.

00:05:04.680 It's just meaningless.

00:05:06.000 It doesn't matter whether or not it's funny or not.

00:05:08.360 It was obviously intended as a joke.

00:05:11.140 Like, that's indisputable.

00:05:13.520 like there's no i don't know about that there's a lot of people who would dispute that yeah but

00:05:18.580 those people aren't on rational thinking but surely not because i mean here's how you can

00:05:23.700 tell it was a joke right she said we don't want to kill whitey and then she literally does an

00:05:28.820 aside she turns her body and goes we do and then she goes we don't we don't we don't she literally

00:05:34.640 moves her body in order to sell that joke and she she's being booked as a comedian on a comedy

00:05:43.060 related show it's just her way of solidifying the reason that she is to be there and I felt it was

00:05:49.480 ad-libbed as well I didn't feel like it was pre-meditated or anything like that so for me

00:05:54.480 it was a massive storm in a teacup and I think that the UK is very uncomfortable with seeing

00:06:03.280 issues about race on TV I mean I mean look at the Britain's Got Talent thing the other day of

00:06:09.240 Nabil Abdul Rashid did his set on Britain's Got Talent semifinal

00:06:14.540 and got 730-odd complaints.

00:06:18.620 Yeah, I think that's definitely...

00:06:20.200 There's a lot of snowflakery on both sides.

00:06:22.280 But the issue on that particular thing,

00:06:25.000 and I'm aware that Francis hasn't said anything

00:06:26.760 for the first 10 minutes of the show,

00:06:28.880 which means it'll be a great episode.

00:06:30.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:33.040 But the thing with that one is,

00:06:36.300 i mean she is trying to defend a phrase that is literally about inflicting violence on people right

00:06:42.060 using humor right kill whitey i mean killing white people is a phrase that's about that right so

00:06:48.900 let's say uh leo curse the only right-wing comedian who who might be tempted to say

00:06:55.100 something like that went on that same program and when when we talk about putting black people back

00:07:00.980 into slavery we don't mean it i mean we do right and he turned his body in the same way and he did

00:07:07.420 the same thing do you think the response would have been the same as it was to this particular

00:07:11.380 incident well obviously not but i i i see that more as a lack of consistency on both sides to

00:07:25.420 be i don't really think it's the it's really the same issue to be honest with you i mean

00:07:30.680 this whole like you can say this so why can't we say that there's never an exact parallel do you

00:07:36.540 know what i mean like what you've done is you've kind of created a scenario that hasn't existed

00:07:42.720 and asked me to compare it and i don't really like i don't get look here's the thing i can

00:07:48.080 understand why people would find it offensive but my line is about consistency if you think it's

00:07:56.320 offensive, fine. Good for you. You think it's offensive, then that's fine. But you have to

00:08:03.380 think that everything's offensive and treat it the same way. You can't, for example, kick off

00:08:10.200 about Sophie Duker saying kill Whitey, but at the same time think that the Count Dankula pug thing

00:08:17.640 was absolutely fine. Because to me, there's an underlying thing there about censorship and

00:08:23.320 freedom of speech that should be consistent throughout and the same goes for the other way

00:08:27.600 as well you can't be lambasting count dankler and going how dare we do this blah blah blah

00:08:32.140 but at the same time go oh no sophie's fine for me consistency is what we should be aiming for

00:08:39.120 francis why don't you say something and one thing that i wanted to ask you freddy is do you think

00:08:45.360 comedy is being used more and more as a political football by both sides of the spectrum so you have

00:08:50.900 the left when it comes to Count Dankula and the jokes that he made and saying, you know,

00:08:57.000 this is anti-Semitism, et cetera, et cetera. We saw with Jo Brand when she made the battery acid

00:09:02.020 comment, you had people like Farage on the right say that what she said was unacceptable.

00:09:08.380 Do you think that more and more comedy is being used as a football by both sides to try and prove

00:09:12.740 a point? I think it's a really easy way of point scoring, isn't it? It's a really easy way of,

00:09:20.900 um creating segregation between them and us do you know what i mean it's it to me it's two sides

00:09:30.600 of the same coin do you know i find it ridiculous but when people only choose to to back the things

00:09:38.420 that ally with their cause do you know what i mean like i'm for like really largely for freedom

00:09:46.480 of speech within comedy i mean i think that if you're on stage as a comedian then you should

00:09:52.640 really be allowed to say um you know whatever you want within reason providing it's absolutely a

00:09:59.800 joke and you know it's it is um sort of concurrent with you know society and stuff like that i mean

00:10:08.960 i'm not saying that you should be able to go on stage and talk about race like it's the 70s or

00:10:14.340 anything like that you know i mean it has to be concurrent with you know where society's at but

00:10:19.440 i mean i just find it daft maybe you're right francis maybe it is political point scoring

00:10:25.500 i just think it's people being fickle to be honest with you i think that it's it's way easier

00:10:31.580 for you to take something and try and amalgamate it with your political beliefs than it is to try

00:10:39.500 and be underlyingly consistent about a particular issue.

00:10:43.520 And do you think there is a problem with freedom of speech in comedy, Freddie?

00:10:46.500 Do you think that comedians are being censored?

00:10:49.600 Or do you think this is just right-wing comedians

00:10:52.500 throwing their hands up in the air and moaning about nothing?

00:10:56.840 Well, that's, I mean, I find it irritating

00:11:00.080 that the issue of freedom of speech within comedy

00:11:03.760 goes hand-in-hand with being right-wing.

00:11:08.140 Do you know what I mean?

00:11:09.740 Yeah, very much so, mate.

00:11:11.320 I find it very annoying because I wouldn't classify myself as right-wing at all.

00:11:20.060 And to me personally, you know, having values like freedom of speech and stuff

00:11:25.940 has always been a typically left-wing thing for me, you know?

00:11:29.760 Like letting people express themselves freely, I think is quite a liberal thing, isn't it?

00:11:35.920 So for me, for it to be associated with right wing, you know, ideology and stuff, I just don't understand where that's come from.

00:11:47.760 Well, you get put in that box the moment you say anything about free speech.

00:11:51.660 Neither Francis or I are right wing, but both of us are regularly thought of as that in the comedy world, at least.

00:11:58.020 I wish I had the bank balance to be right wing, mate.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, you don't. And as long as I'm in control of the finances of this show, nor will you.

00:12:05.380 insert anti-semitic joke exactly uh maybe you are right wing after all but uh but but the point is

00:12:11.800 that the moment you start talking about free speech everyone immediately says that you are

00:12:15.280 right wing in comedy and then you sort of like that's that's just how it is but i guess what

00:12:20.180 francis was getting at and i think this is a much broader much of a broader issue that's more

00:12:24.880 interesting perhaps to talk about is do you actually think there's a problem with you know

00:12:29.440 hypersensitivity do you think there's a problem with people being uh censorious in comedy taking

00:12:35.360 an offense too easily uh etc yeah absolutely uh if you speak to the majority of working club comics

00:12:45.560 they'll tell you that people get offended way too easily um do you know what it's down to i think

00:12:51.360 honestly i think the reason that people have become so easily offended is the culture of

00:12:59.380 social media like the way that everyone's got a instagram account and a twitter account and so

00:13:06.100 people are used to feeling like their opinions should be heard all of the time so if somebody

00:13:13.440 sees a piece of stand-up and they don't like it or they're offended by it it used to be back in

00:13:20.060 the day 10 years ago if you if you can believe this if somebody didn't like a piece of stand-up

00:13:26.400 then they just ignore it and wait for the next joke i mean it was a crazy system and i don't

00:13:32.160 know how we managed um but now with with the way that social media is everybody feels as though

00:13:39.360 the opinions need to be heard and felt all the time and so yeah i think there is a problem with

00:13:46.500 with people becoming too easily offended um and i think it's it's it's not as easy as um

00:13:54.280 it's not as easy as saying like a blanket statement people are too easily offended

00:13:59.340 i think uh it's more nuanced than that and i think it comes down to people not readily

00:14:08.220 wanting to hear certain voices saying certain things so what i mean by that is that i feel

00:14:18.580 as an offensive, northern, working-class comic,

00:14:24.920 I am afforded less manoeuvrability

00:14:28.500 than some of my middle-class, well-educated counterparts.

00:14:33.720 So if I say something offensive,

00:14:36.800 then I'm horrific and offensive and horrible,

00:14:40.000 whereas if a middle-class white gentleman says something,

00:14:45.000 then they are genre-defying and challenging

00:14:47.480 and boundary pushing.

00:14:49.180 Do you know what I mean?

00:14:51.180 Yeah.

00:14:52.060 But don't you think that also speaks to the classism

00:14:54.620 within our society and also the classism

00:14:57.640 within comedy critics as well?

00:14:59.960 Oh, there's huge classism within society

00:15:03.440 and within comedy.

00:15:05.960 Absolutely enormous.

00:15:07.200 I mean, if you look at the Edinburgh Fringe,

00:15:11.880 which is still, for some reason,

00:15:14.300 the biggest deal amongst comedians,

00:15:16.200 comedians. That couldn't be any more skewed towards people with money to spend. Do you know

00:15:25.400 what I mean? And even if you can afford it, when I took my show up last year, I had a paid venue

00:15:34.300 and I sold 93% of my tickets. And if it hadn't been for the fact that I stayed with friends

00:15:41.280 for the whole month i would have lost money oh it's crazy there's a there's a very famous

00:15:47.100 story of um the comedian chris ramsey having a breakout year with uh with an edinburgh show

00:15:55.120 and i think he sold out every run or something like that um you know he sold out every night

00:16:01.460 of his run he got nominated for an edinburgh award and he still lost like four grand or

00:16:06.580 something like that. Freddy, let's just come back to the bigger picture, because I feel like this is

00:16:11.080 very interesting to the three of us and seven open mic comedians who may be watching, but

00:16:15.040 the audience more broadly probably couldn't give a shit. Let's come back to the other point you

00:16:19.920 made, which I think is a very, very good one, which is that how you are perceived in terms of

00:16:25.960 material that you do, in other words, the words that you say, depends largely on how you are

00:16:31.440 perceived as a person so a big not northern working class bloke like you sounds like if

00:16:38.660 you're doing material of court that's offensive there's is it that people are much more readily

00:16:44.320 assuming that you mean the offensive stuff you say as a joke or do they just more they

00:16:50.280 recoil in horror the thought of someone who looks like a viking saying it

00:16:53.760 do you know what i think it is i think there's a hangover of uh northern working class comedians

00:17:04.720 from the 70s you know you you're bernard mannings and such uh and you're chubby browns and that sort

00:17:11.960 of thing and i heroes on this show you're sorry heroes on this show obviously but i think that

00:17:19.180 if you like um you know if you if you're northern working class and you you know you sound a bit

00:17:26.460 rough around the edges and you know uneducated then i think people automatically put you in that

00:17:32.400 bracket before you've even started your joke and once people have that frame of mind oh this is

00:17:39.960 going to be controversial this is going to be unacceptable then they can contextualize everything

00:17:45.840 through that lens and it becomes very difficult like difficult to extrapolate comedy out of that

00:17:51.580 because people are they're not looking for the humor anymore they're looking for the offense

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00:19:33.820 You knew that bit off by heart.

00:19:38.180 And also, don't you think as well that when you're perceived the way you're perceived by the industry, in particular comedy critics, they perceive you in a certain way.

00:19:48.380 You always see the references, northern working class comic, et cetera, et cetera.

00:19:54.360 And again, they view you through that particular lens.

00:19:58.360 It's almost like you're a cookie cutter of another type of northern working class comedian.

00:20:04.800 Yeah, it's shorthand for them, isn't it?

00:20:07.480 because the standard of reviewers is not very good.

00:20:12.900 Do you know what I mean?

00:20:13.580 Like, it's very rare that you get an objective review

00:20:17.920 of a comedy performance.

00:20:19.920 And another irk of mine is that I tend to find that reviewers

00:20:25.260 are way too ready to sort of inject their own tastes into the...

00:20:32.920 So for me personally, a review should be,

00:20:35.360 what is this person doing and how well are they doing it that should be it like you don't see

00:20:42.000 mark commode you know doing a film review about a rom-com and going oh well you know the script

00:20:50.780 was fantastic and the two characters had real chemistry and the film was well paced and full

00:20:56.500 of surprises and it was shot in a way that was interested and unique but i just don't like

00:21:01.000 romantic comedies two stars do you know no it's you know it is it is a very very good point and

00:21:12.040 but looking at tv as well i think the way you see the real bias in comedy is where we talk about

00:21:18.000 diversity and you know we must have diversity and you see all these people and lots of different

00:21:24.960 colors and there's more women now which obviously is a great thing but they all seem to have gone

00:21:29.740 to oxford and private school yeah i am for diversity but i think what we should be focusing

00:21:37.880 on is diversity of voices not diversity of faces which is where i think the problem lies for me

00:21:47.080 personally a um 20 year old uh white lad from oxford and a 60 year old white man from

00:21:59.520 Cumbria are going to have vastly different, you know, life stories and experiences.

00:22:06.540 And I think it's, I think it's really strange how we just assume that because they're both

00:22:14.020 white and male, they're going to be speaking about the same things. Do you know what I

00:22:18.380 mean? Like, if you look at, I mean, there's huge strides in diversity in comedy at the

00:22:25.160 moment and you know it's fine but if you look at well look i mean it's fine do you know what i mean

00:22:36.480 like good you know i i don't really have anything to to say it doesn't really affect me to be honest

00:22:42.980 with you because doesn't it freddie well the way look the way that i see it is like 15 years ago

00:22:51.180 white northern working class man was currency do you know what i mean like you look at your peter

00:22:58.180 k dave spiky paddy mcginner you know i mean it was it was a golden generation to be a white man

00:23:05.640 from the northwest uh and nowadays you know we can't get a look in whatever do you know what i

00:23:12.000 mean is it's it'll be cyclical in in 10 years time you know it'll change again it's all cyclical

00:23:19.000 this you know it's it's just a phase i i mean i think it's i think it's good particularly that

00:23:25.720 there's more um you know female acts and people of color and things like that i think that's

00:23:31.880 important because like i i do buy into the idea that if all you see is straight white men doing

00:23:41.900 stand-up then that's just going to encourage more straight white men to do stand-up like there has

00:23:46.560 to be a point where you show other people in there and then the next generation you know we're

00:23:53.000 going to look at that and go oh i can do that because somebody else is on tv that looks like

00:23:58.000 me is doing it and you know that will in the long term you know um lead for you know a depth of

00:24:05.660 quality um you know across you know the whole circuit i think that that's a largely good thing

00:24:10.880 But when you're talking about diversity at the moment, there's two fields that are massively being neglected, and that is class and age.

00:24:23.260 And why do you think it's important that class is represented?

00:24:29.000 Why do I think it's important that class is represented?

00:24:34.780 Because I'm one of them.

00:24:36.640 Because I'm working class and I'm rooting for myself, Francis.

00:24:40.880 do you know it is true isn't it that everybody sees the lack of representation in the thing

00:24:48.540 that they identify with do you know what i mean like you get this is where i don't agree a little

00:24:54.180 bit freddie because it never occurred to me that i need to see a russian jewish immigrant doing

00:24:59.320 comedy for me to do it that that was one's enough one's enough exactly that never occurred to me

00:25:05.320 i i don't need to see a russian jewish comedian doing a youtube show talking about political and

00:25:13.260 cultural issues it never occurred to me that that's that i need that do you know so i i don't

00:25:18.560 really i think we've bought into the site narrative which i don't personally agree with

00:25:22.680 i know loads of people who've done something being the first person to do it uh i'm not sure that

00:25:28.640 and particularly this was the other question i was going to ask you and it's a bit of a pointed

00:25:31.760 one so feel free to to dodge it but do you not feel that part of the drive and i say this as

00:25:38.200 someone who really doesn't have a dog in the fight anymore uh i'm done with club comedy i'll do my own

00:25:43.520 shows to my own audience i'm really not i'm not rooting for me to get any opportunities at all i

00:25:48.540 really genuinely don't have a dog in the fight but as as a neutral observer watching it do you

00:25:53.900 not think that the drive for diversity has meant that there's been a drop in quality

00:25:57.920 right okay let's let's go for the first question first and then because there's two big old issues

00:26:06.280 there francis and uh okay cool i'm not getting involved mate you crack on for it constancy

00:26:12.160 sorry uh so look right um first of all what i would say is that you have really drilled down

00:26:19.700 into your own identity uh and you've drilled down right into the specific russian jew uh and it's

00:26:26.140 like yeah there ain't no other russian jews you know fine whatever but if you look at it on the

00:26:31.680 broad umbrella term of white bloke there's fucking loads of us do you know what i mean and we're and

00:26:37.780 we're all over the place and we're all on tv and we're all you know historically we've all been

00:26:44.160 in stand-up and that and so if you look at it in terms of just white man there's loads of other

00:26:49.940 people like you in that sense doing the things that you do i i get what you're saying about

00:26:55.580 somebody has to be the first and that's true but i do buy into the fact look like maybe i would have

00:27:05.440 been a great ballet dancer maybe i would have properly made it but interesting example there

00:27:13.380 yeah but but in my head you know ballet dancing is really like a female thing like i know that

00:27:20.300 women do it and things like that but because sorry i know that men do it but because i've

00:27:24.560 predominantly seen women do it i never even thought about it growing up it wasn't even

00:27:28.940 you know it wasn't even something that i mean they made a film about that didn't they freddie

00:27:33.720 oh my god but yeah i mean look it's i i think that if you have really good um you know diverse

00:27:46.920 acts on tv um i i don't think it's a stretch to say that there are going to be you know young

00:27:54.540 women watching uh stand-up comedy shows who are really big comedy fans who watch and they see

00:28:02.260 uh ashleen b or rasheen conaty or fern brady or you know katherine ryan and they watch these

00:28:10.340 amazing acts and they go oh my god i could be like them do you know i mean it's like a role model

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00:29:05.240 All right, so the other question was,

00:29:07.800 are they seeing the great acts

00:29:09.460 or is the push for diversity

00:29:11.180 lowering the quality?

00:29:13.300 On TV or in clubs?

00:29:15.080 uh well let's start with tv i think that's what we were talking about originally okay so um on on

00:29:23.360 tv um i would say that quality is being lowered uh because people are focusing on diversity and

00:29:33.220 i don't think that that's uh i i know that there will be people watching that and going oh you

00:29:39.040 You can't say that.

00:29:39.900 But really, I mean, it's...

00:29:41.840 Not in trigonometry, mate.

00:29:44.340 I honestly think it's a crying shame

00:29:47.620 that there are acts like Jeff Innocent and Mick Ferry

00:29:52.700 and Kerry Marks and Adam Bloom,

00:29:56.360 who are incredible acts that get next to no television.

00:30:03.780 And there are other acts who are on comedy shows

00:30:08.680 that get you know they're basically you know open spots promising open spots and they're getting tv

00:30:17.300 um i think that is the point where we've kind of jumped the shark a little bit um

00:30:23.460 and you know what it's it's it's funny really because when i think about this i i'm not like

00:30:31.240 i'm not trying to be bitter about it because quite frankly if you are early on in your career

00:30:39.360 and somebody gives you the opportunity to go on you know itv one prime time and do three minutes

00:30:48.260 of comedy or whatever then that's a brilliant opportunity and you should absolutely take it

00:30:53.660 do you know what i mean uh of course it's never about the acts themselves you can't ever blame

00:30:59.280 people for uh who've been given an opportunity for taking it and if you were in in their place

00:31:04.480 and suddenly we had a massive quota for bearded northern blokes no one would no one would blame

00:31:10.540 you for jumping on that i just love to watch all the northern blokes suddenly grow beards

00:31:15.900 yeah well they already have i think but um but what what i think we are talking about here is

00:31:22.000 the system more broadly aren't we yeah it's look i mean there's there's a drive for that

00:31:29.060 it goes back to what i was saying before about it being cyclical there's a drive for diversity at

00:31:33.740 the moment so if you know if you're a diverse site you're going to get those opportunities

00:31:38.940 more early on in your career than you know perhaps what you should do and that's just

00:31:44.440 it's not it's not anyone's fight i think if anything it's the um it's it's it's down to

00:31:52.140 you know the major tv networks and how they choose to to show comedy and um you know it's

00:32:00.980 it's it does lead to i mean let's be fair the question that you asked was does it lead to a

00:32:07.920 depth in uh you know has it led to a depth in uh quality and i don't think it is um i don't think

00:32:17.760 anyone would disagree with the statement that it is not the best acts that end up on television

00:32:24.160 certainly not always but that's the same with with most industries like the best musicians don't end

00:32:30.880 up on you know top of the pops or whatever it is you know like it's just the way that it is

00:32:37.240 and freddie you were talking about you know seeing you know white men on television and you know

00:32:43.320 people who look like you and i'll put the question to you isn't that quite a new way of looking at it

00:32:47.620 Because when I was a kid, and I'm actually someone from a mixed race background, and I looked at someone on TV, the first thing I would look at would be for a prism of class.

00:32:59.340 I would just go, oh, they're posh or that.

00:33:01.680 I would look at these people on screen and think I couldn't do that because they come from a posh background.

00:33:08.200 Yeah, but it's the same thing as what I was saying.

00:33:13.460 Do you know what I mean?

00:33:14.120 You know, you look for people that are like you on telly

00:33:17.340 and you go, well, I can do that too.

00:33:19.600 It doesn't matter if they look like you or sound like you.

00:33:22.260 It's all the same deal.

00:33:23.940 Yeah, but you would argue as well that working class people

00:33:27.940 in particular aren't getting represented in comedy.

00:33:30.140 So this way of saying, well, this person is a white man,

00:33:34.120 therefore, you know, I make a connection with him.

00:33:37.180 I don't think it works like that because I think we're so

00:33:40.040 class with in this country that if someone's a white bloke but very very posh on screen i don't

00:33:46.020 see a connection with him you're classist is what you're saying yeah right okay well i i you're

00:33:53.460 framing it in a way that makes it sound like we disagree whereas i think that we we agree here

00:33:58.780 yeah i think you do i think you do but freddie so let's come back a little bit to what you were

00:34:05.140 saying earlier, which is where I think we come right back to the beginning about the BBC putting

00:34:09.800 out that joke that neither of us, I think, thinks is funny. And this is the part that a lot of

00:34:16.720 comedians are missing, which is the BBC is at great risk at the moment because there's a lot

00:34:24.740 of people who feel simultaneously that it doesn't like them, that a lot of the content that's being

00:34:31.900 put out by the BBC is biased against them. And at the same time, they feel that it doesn't

00:34:38.040 necessarily represent their views. And a lot of people, certainly a lot of people that we hear

00:34:43.100 from also feel that the comedy output on the BBC has dropped in quality. Now, whether that's to do

00:34:50.460 with diversity or not is a different issue. Maybe because of the different technologies that we have

00:34:55.900 now, Netflix, Amazon Prime, whatever, everyone can watch exactly what they want and therefore

00:35:00.620 something that appeals to everyone no longer exists. I don't know. But certainly, the BBC

00:35:06.080 is the threat. There's a big campaign to defund the BBC. And that was also part of my thought

00:35:11.540 process when I was critical of them putting that bit out. I just thought in an environment where

00:35:16.600 the BBC is already under threat of being defunded, pushing those quite divisive ideas under the

00:35:24.080 pretense of comedy wasn't necessarily a good outcome for the BBC. And I'm a big fan of the BBC.

00:35:29.000 right okay so what i would say to that is that the definition of comedy is not what you personally

00:35:37.620 find funny so because you don't find it funny it doesn't mean that it's not under the pretense of

00:35:43.400 comedy she was clearly joking like it's it's to me it's a clear joke now whether or not it's funny

00:35:51.300 like i say completely completely irrelevant um i mean i think that you you're tying in two separate

00:35:58.660 issues to be honest with you i don't think that anyone's gonna specifically like like you know be

00:36:05.640 be uh all of a sudden you know passionate about defunding the bbc because someone's heard a joke

00:36:12.100 that they don't like and no you're very wrong about that you're very wrong about that freddie

00:36:16.240 i i'm happy to disagree and genuinely i really appreciate that we're having this conversation

00:36:20.580 but on that issue i can just tell you from people that i hear from that that is not correct there

00:36:26.620 are a lot of people do those people then are they not so flippant that they will change their minds

00:36:33.300 once the next issue comes up no no it's more to them it's more of a straw that broke the camel's

00:36:38.820 back issue it's like they feel that the bbc wasn't particularly interested in their views

00:36:43.720 it maybe they voted leave in the referendum uh and they feel that the bbc after the referendum

00:36:49.640 was quite uh keen to make out all leave voters sound like bigoted racist etc it doesn't really

00:36:55.640 represent them anymore and now you've got a comedian talking about killing whitey and joking

00:37:01.540 that that's the intention of the whole slogan and it's sort of like the straw that breaks the camel's

00:37:06.820 back um and i and look i'm not trying to win this argument by any stretch of the imagination no i

00:37:12.180 think it's interesting i'm just putting that information to you that there are a lot of

00:37:16.260 people that i hear from that very much feel that way but why would they have been watching that

00:37:22.080 show then like i i i don't get what how many of those people do you reckon were actually watching

00:37:29.120 that show zero yeah and and so it and were offended i think the majority of these people

00:37:36.100 see a tiny little snippet because the whole thing was about a discussion about you know

00:37:42.380 racing society and stuff like that and so yeah i mean my but my issue is if you don't like it

00:37:48.820 don't engage with it don't watch it because if you do that it goes away it's a fucking great

00:37:55.680 system i this is the same thing that i i talk about and it broadly talks about what we're

00:38:01.000 talking about with offense in comedy like if i'm doing a set and i am quite an offensive act

00:38:06.280 if i say something that offends you um then there's a great thing that you can do you don't

00:38:12.620 have to put your hand up you don't have to shout out you don't have to tell me how offended you

00:38:18.520 right here's what you do you don't make a sound and if enough people agree with you and also don't

00:38:27.440 make a sound i don't do the joke because it isn't funny it's a perfect system i don't see why i and

00:38:35.440 i think it goes to a bigger point that at the moment people are so like self-serving that there

00:38:44.020 seems to be this attitude nowadays that everything made has to cater to me everything has to be for

00:38:51.420 me and i'm and i'm not putting any political bias on that i think it happens at both sides of the

00:38:57.220 political spectrum um you know it has to be for me you know that that joke about killing whitey

00:39:04.160 uh i can guarantee you oh i can guarantee you i can't guarantee you all i don't know why i just

00:39:09.020 said that um i bet that if you were somebody who grew up were ace was you know a huge issue in your

00:39:19.740 life something you battled racism on a on a daily basis and it's something that you really had to

00:39:26.220 live with um and something that you were really hyper aware of you'd be watching that show you

00:39:32.700 know or you'd be more likely to watch that show you wouldn't be offended by what was just said

00:39:38.580 naturally you'd see it as a joke

00:39:41.040 you know, I mean, look, Sophie

00:39:42.860 played the audience

00:39:45.280 that she anticipated

00:39:47.240 was going to watch it

00:39:48.500 is it her fault that a load of people

00:39:51.580 saw an out of context

00:39:53.320 clip, saw a one minute segment

00:39:55.460 of an hour long show and went

00:39:56.880 how dare she, this isn't what

00:39:59.180 I pay my license for

00:40:00.800 I think the attitude that needs to change is within

00:40:03.240 people

00:40:03.820 do you know what I think part of the problem is

00:40:06.820 is that there is an absolute dearth of comedians

00:40:11.240 with a different point of view politically on the BBC.

00:40:14.860 So immediately she says that joke on an overtly left-wing programme.

00:40:19.280 And, you know, it is, from what I've seen, a comedy-slash-political show,

00:40:22.960 but they don't seem to get anybody on from the right side of the spectrum.

00:40:27.200 Even Jeff Norco can't get a sniff on there.

00:40:30.180 And so people just see that as another example of BBC bias.

00:40:36.820 So who did they have on that show?

00:40:38.440 They had Sarah Pascoe, they had Dane Baptiste,

00:40:44.180 and they had Jamali Maddox.

00:40:46.300 Okay.

00:40:47.540 Who would you have had on there to redress that balance?

00:40:52.120 Freddie, what we're really talking about is all of the people

00:40:54.540 on that show agree with each other.

00:40:56.240 That's what we're talking about.

00:40:57.320 Ah, right.

00:40:58.260 Okay.

00:40:58.940 Fair enough.

00:40:59.720 Well, yeah.

00:41:00.400 Do you know what?

00:41:00.960 Well, it depends what you want in that show then, doesn't it?

00:41:04.800 Actually, Frankie Boyle, who hosts the show,

00:41:06.580 He's not woke.

00:41:07.520 What are you on about?

00:41:09.280 He is very woke.

00:41:10.900 Just pay attention to his Twitter, mate.

00:41:14.500 I pay attention to his stand-up.

00:41:16.720 His stand-up isn't woke.

00:41:18.380 Did you see the special that he put out during lockdown?

00:41:21.740 I haven't seen the special, but he is woke, believe me.

00:41:25.720 Right, okay.

00:41:26.760 His stand-up isn't woke, though, is he?

00:41:28.620 Yeah, his stand-up, no,

00:41:30.840 which is one of the interesting things about it,

00:41:32.740 uh that he's someone who made a career of being uh very offensive breaking boundaries etc

00:41:39.860 but actually his opinions now have become increasingly woke and it's an interesting

00:41:44.500 thing it's a transformation that we've also seen in america with someone like jim jeffries

00:41:48.780 uh who who made a career out of doing sort of jokes that i would never ever do uh rape jokes

00:41:56.680 and whatever and then he's lecturing everyone about how we must respect women three years later

00:42:01.020 maybe maybe uh people's jokes uh are not necessarily their opinions and i think that we

00:42:10.340 make a huge mistake every time we assume that because a comedian's joking about something

00:42:16.160 it means that they are uh you know for or against that particular thing and it and beneath the joke

00:42:22.880 is a sincere opinion do you know it's i know i know what you mean but i'm not suggesting that

00:42:28.240 that that was the case with frankie or jim i'm not saying that frankie always had this opinion and

00:42:33.220 now he has a different opinion i'm just saying if you listen to what frankie says seriously

00:42:37.380 he is woke really i try not to do twitter you see so i and that's probably a good thing right

00:42:44.960 i worry right with twitter because i think i think there's look if if if there was an app

00:42:51.600 that allowed you to connect to your brain

00:42:56.360 and every thought that you had just went onto a platform

00:42:59.960 and everyone could see it.

00:43:01.880 There's no fucking way you download that app

00:43:04.080 because the amount of times that I think

00:43:07.160 messed up inappropriate stuff

00:43:09.320 that I don't want anyone else thinking.

00:43:12.080 And Twitter to me is just one extension of that

00:43:14.500 because the more people tweet,

00:43:17.180 the more people lose the filter of,

00:43:20.660 is this tweet right should i do this so i don't pay attention i'll use it occasionally but i think

00:43:26.260 it's a poison platform so i don't usually go on it man it's i'm just worried that if i ever achieve

00:43:32.520 a modicum of success and uh northern balding bearded men are back in fashion with the bbc

00:43:38.800 then some dickhead will go through my twitter timeline and find a tweet from 2010 and i'm

00:43:45.360 cancelled before i've even started but joking aside that is a very very real fear though isn't

00:43:51.240 it do you ever feel that within comedy and your comedy career that there are right opinions and

00:43:56.840 wrong opinions and that ultimately if you hold a wrong opinion on any particular subject that

00:44:01.340 that could prevent you from progressing oh mate oh a hundred percent a hundred percent loads of

00:44:06.720 people feel like that i've um i've i've i've recently started doing a bit like i've only done

00:44:13.140 it once and the the basis behind it is that we should sort of we should learn to treat comedy

00:44:20.280 as like a buffet like if you go to a buffet you don't expect to like everything on the spread

00:44:29.080 that's not what a buffet is about but as long as you get your little plate full of stuff that you

00:44:35.280 like then everything else doesn't matter you just pick the bits that you like and then you have a

00:44:40.380 nice lovely time like i don't like quiche and so when i go to a buffet i just don't eat like i don't

00:44:47.880 fucking i just ignore the quiche and then that works out fine because there's always somebody

00:44:52.380 who really likes quiche who goes oh my god there's all this quiche and then they get to have more of

00:44:57.320 the stuff that they like and i get to have more than the stuff that i like i don't walk up to the

00:45:01.440 quiche and go i find this quiche offensive and throw it across the fucking room stick it in the

00:45:07.000 been but isn't the problem that the person who goes i find this quiche offensive offensive or

00:45:12.980 i don't like this quiche and walks away is a tv producer or somebody who can potentially help you

00:45:19.640 up the ladder and enable you to be more successful mate i i i think that is still a problem but it's

00:45:28.620 nowhere near as much of a problem as it was five years ago the way that the way that social meat

00:45:34.100 comics are smart man like you guys are clever do you know like you two i do

00:45:39.740 constantine has realized you know to sort of you know brand himself properly and francis has

00:45:49.040 realized that constantine knows what he's doing do you know exactly it's a clever system that

00:45:54.120 you guys have got working um but look we've we've adapted and at the moment there are many comedians

00:46:02.340 who are cultivating their own online following.

00:46:07.460 Do you know what I mean?

00:46:08.060 And their fan base.

00:46:09.580 I mean, that's why I'm trying to, you know,

00:46:12.340 up YouTube channel and put more stuff out on there and things.

00:46:15.760 And hey, look at the stuff that you guys have got.

00:46:18.220 You've got, what, 150,000 subscribers?

00:46:21.100 You've got 150,000 people that tune into everything that you say?

00:46:26.500 That's like, what other channels have that sort of reach on TV?

00:46:31.560 What, does BBC3 average 150,000 viewers

00:46:35.260 for all the shit it puts out?

00:46:37.200 And you get to be the masters of your own destiny.

00:46:40.860 You're the stars of every show that you put out.

00:46:43.720 You get to edit it and cut it and choose it

00:46:46.960 however you want.

00:46:48.580 Nah, mate, we have a northerner to do that for us.

00:46:50.720 Yeah.

00:46:52.840 But you get my point, though.

00:46:54.900 Five years ago, it was dead important

00:46:57.940 to please TV executives.

00:47:00.060 and it's still it still is important or whatever but it's getting less and less and less important

00:47:05.420 every day because more and more acts are tuning into this fact they're going hang about wait a

00:47:10.680 minute why am i why am i waiting to do you know three minutes um you know 10 o'clock at night on

00:47:18.000 a major tv show why don't i just buy a camera and plug it into a computer and i'll start i'll start

00:47:24.120 making my own fan base hey i look look at what um look at what nigel ung has done during lockdown

00:47:30.880 uh you know nigel ung has got what nearly two million uh facebook sorry youtube subscribers

00:47:38.440 now that's enough to tour off he's he's set for life christ knows how much money he's going to

00:47:44.000 make through advertising on his clips and stuff he's he's not waiting around for for people to go

00:47:50.260 all right okay we need like a an asian guy on our next show so let's bring him on he's done his own

00:47:56.260 thing and more and more acts are tuning into that every single day if you if you gave me a choice

00:48:02.500 legitimately if you gave me a choice between being on next season's live at the apollo or having 50

00:48:10.880 000 uh youtube subscribers i would take the youtube subscribers every single day and freddie

00:48:19.340 do you think that the tv companies because of this lowering of quality which i think we

00:48:25.160 everybody pretty much agrees with have sown the seeds of their own destruction in that people

00:48:30.060 turn on and they don't they're not as invested in the whole diversity agenda as any as any of

00:48:35.640 the rest of us or whatever else look at it and go oh that's not as funny as as you know as

00:48:40.200 comedy used to be switch off i'm gonna go on youtube look it's it's part of a rich tapestry

00:48:46.620 do you know what i mean like maybe maybe it is part of what's going on but there's some there's

00:48:53.540 plenty of fantastic diverse acts that for whatever reason don't seem to get a look in

00:49:01.940 like for example um when i was in london uh we were talking before this about top secret comedy

00:49:08.200 club which is one of my favorite comedy clubs in the country there's two acts that do there

00:49:16.620 yearwood they're both bloody amazing comedians yeah both friends of ours yeah and there's others

00:49:22.900 as well this is something that francis and i talk about all the time there's plenty of other

00:49:26.560 black ethnic minority female acts who don't get a look in and again if you if you pay attention

00:49:33.600 there's reasons for that as well uh which i certainly would say have something to do with

00:49:38.460 with a with a sort of progressive agenda but that's my my take on it i i mean i watched um

00:49:45.560 you know last time i was uh at top secret i watched nico yearwood blow the roof off that gig

00:49:54.580 he absolutely annihilated it and i i find it incredible that you know he's not being given

00:50:02.700 tv opportunities i i so for me it's it's not as simple as to go oh diver you know diversity's

00:50:10.380 the issue because it it it's um it makes it sound as though every female and every you know person

00:50:19.500 of color or whatever is is being given the opportunities and people are when actuality i

00:50:25.520 think there's loads of people who are great that for whatever reason aren't getting a look in maybe

00:50:29.800 look maybe it is part of the reason as to why the bbc is struggling at the moment but i think a much

00:50:36.220 much bigger reason is the fact that youtube is miles better netflix is miles better do you know

00:50:43.400 i mean like like how can the bbc um compete with youtube where you can subs you can physically

00:50:51.740 find the stuff that you like you can subscribe to it and you can watch it whenever you like

00:50:57.560 it's just you know the bbc hasn't even caught up to that shit yet this whole on demand thing

00:51:03.080 has been around for years, and they're miles behind.

00:51:06.640 So I think that's a bigger reason.

00:51:09.420 Do you think we should defund the BBC, Freddie?

00:51:11.860 Oh, mate, totally. Absolutely.

00:51:15.100 Fucking, mate.

00:51:17.260 They hit him. They hit him.

00:51:19.760 It's like he's walking to a candy shop.

00:51:21.860 Between me and you, I have not paid my licence in some time.

00:51:29.100 That's interesting. I didn't expect you to say that, Freddie.

00:51:31.940 That was almost a tongue-in-cheek comment.

00:51:33.440 Why do you think we should defund the Beeb?

00:51:36.320 Genuinely, why do I think we should defund it?

00:51:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:39.360 Because I resent being forced to pay for something

00:51:43.960 that I have no control over, you know, what goes on.

00:51:48.700 Do you know what I mean?

00:51:49.700 Like, look, right, here's the thing,

00:51:51.680 is I think that the way Netflix works is pretty fucking good

00:51:56.320 because I subscribe, I get loads of great shows,

00:52:00.380 and if they stop making great shows then i unsubscribe and that's and that's it and so

00:52:06.280 what netflix does is they go oh well a lot of people have watched this and really enjoyed this

00:52:11.780 i guess we better make more things like this and that that works as a as a great barometer of

00:52:18.820 quality whereas as it stands if you hold people to ransom and force them to pay 120 quid a year

00:52:25.700 then you know it's it's the quality of stuff that's on the bbc is nowhere near the quality

00:52:35.820 that's on these streaming platforms so well it's interesting we're sort of agreeing you're agreeing

00:52:41.240 with a lot of the stuff that i was saying and actually maybe one of the reasons that you know

00:52:44.920 what i talked about the breaking of the the camel's back thing one of the reasons it's a bit

00:52:49.760 different with the bbc is that people are forced to pay for it so it's the combination of being

00:52:55.140 forced to pay for something and then having stuff uh churned out that you don't agree with or don't

00:53:00.380 like which pisses people off but it doesn't matter i think you made your point very clear on that

00:53:04.060 but in the same in the same vein though like i'll tell you what i'll tell you what pisses me off is

00:53:10.720 uh antiques roadshow like i think it's bollocks but i'm not i'm not offended that it's on do you

00:53:18.220 know i mean like no your point your point's well taken mate i i yeah i think you made your point

00:53:22.780 very clear and i actually i think the important point that you made about the takeover of

00:53:27.840 technology and the fact that we all have our own destinies in our hands now so this whole or this

00:53:33.980 comedian got promoted this is why i said to you i've got no dog in this fight now because i'm very

00:53:38.480 happy with what we're doing we've got this show uh we've got our other stuff that we do and i'm

00:53:44.200 not really bothered about it because if you embrace the the power of the internet and the

00:53:48.580 technology that's now available you can make a success of your career you don't need anyone to

00:53:52.860 give you any opportunities oh i mean for me for me personally i i have started to pay so little

00:54:00.140 attention as to which comedians get booked onto what new stand-up shows i i i i don't give a fuck

00:54:08.660 do you know what i mean like i look at who's yeah who's booked on this season's stand-up sketch show

00:54:14.380 i couldn't give a shit because it's just not something that i care about um to be honest with

00:54:19.980 you the the thing that i care about is performing comedy live that's that's all i'm asked about

00:54:27.460 and for me if i was ever on television then the only reason that i'd want to be on there

00:54:33.300 is so that i could get more fans so that i could perform comedy live more do you know what i mean

00:54:40.240 And it's easier for me and way more convenient for me to try and build my own YouTube channel or to try and build my own social media following than it is for me to try and pander to TV executives that don't even want what I'm selling.

00:54:55.400 It's a good live comedy is doing well at the moment, isn't it?

00:54:59.280 Depends how good you are, mate.

00:55:00.700 I've not stopped gigging.

00:55:03.620 Boom.

00:55:05.680 Comedian destroys former comedian.

00:55:07.820 That's what we'll put at the episode of this title.

00:55:10.740 But Freddie, thanks very much for coming on.

00:55:12.560 We're running out of time, mate.

00:55:13.720 So we've got just one more question for you.

00:55:15.580 Which is, what's the one thing we're not talking about,

00:55:17.840 but we really should be?

00:55:19.820 So there is a show on Netflix called American Pitmaster Barbecue.

00:55:26.180 And it's like Great British Bake Off,

00:55:28.140 but with like barbecue slow roasts and stuff.

00:55:31.720 Mate, nobody's watched it.

00:55:33.140 And I'm the only fucking guy that has.

00:55:35.560 It's unbelievable.

00:55:37.460 And do you know what?

00:55:37.920 there just isn't enough working class northern men on that show you know it's you know what i

00:55:42.560 like about that that was entirely on brand on both of those answers i just really don't see myself

00:55:48.160 i'd love to be a pit master but i look in the role american and so i just it's a dream that'll

00:55:52.900 never finalize itself for me mate if you got the the tattoo of the confederate flag on your forehead

00:55:58.480 and got yourself an ar-15 you would blend right into the audience of that show mate if i was if

00:56:05.620 i was like born in america i would be like a deep south arkansas redneck you know fox's sister kind

00:56:14.820 of guy that's just you know that's i mean i mean that's a that's a dream i've always wanted quite

00:56:20.360 frankly well good luck with making that dream happen my friend uh but listen uh thanks for

00:56:25.620 coming on the show where can people check out and genuinely whether people agree or disagree with

00:56:30.620 with whatever we've been talking about you are a brilliant comic and uh your stuff will be

00:56:35.220 something that appeals to a lot of the people who watch our show so where can people find your stuff

00:56:39.760 online uh you can find me and thank you for having me by the way guys i know that we don't agree on

00:56:45.040 absolutely everything but by god i do love being able to like happily and civilly disagree with

00:56:52.060 with people and not turn it into a slanging match uh you know enjoy the cancellation freddie

00:56:58.820 what sorry the head he said enjoy the cancellation because the headline after this will be uh

00:57:05.760 northern comedian says uh women aren't funny or something like that

00:57:09.680 um yeah if you want to find me um then you can uh i uh the best place to find my stuff at the

00:57:20.840 moment is youtube youtube.com forward slash freddie queen comedy i actually uh have filmed

00:57:27.400 a load of gigs uh outdoor comedy gigs outdoors in like weird venues so we did one in a barn we've

00:57:36.880 done one in a field um we've done places in people's gardens we did one on a building site

00:57:43.420 that is so fucking illegal it's untrue uh we broke every covid law but it was a great show

00:57:50.100 and um it's it's a free series that's going to be available uh this month the trailer's dropping on

00:57:56.480 sunday um and it's gonna be a great way for you to enjoy comedy um for free during lockdown and

00:58:05.440 all you do is just subscribe to the channel and you'll be able to watch it

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Was the ＂Kill Whitey＂ BBC Joke Too Far？ with Freddy Quinne

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