＂We Are Angry Because We Feel Powerless＂ - Dr Louise Mazanti
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In this episode, Dr Louise Mazanti talks about her journey to becoming a psychotherapist, how she got into the field of psychotherapists, and why she believes that we are losing touch with who we are and what we are here to do.
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Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissin. And this is a
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show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. Our brilliant guest
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today is a psychotherapist, Dr. Louise Mazanti. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you so much.
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It's so good to have you on the show. For anyone who isn't familiar with you or your work, I'll
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just say that we came across you first watching a David Fuller's documentary, A Glitch in the
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Matrix, in which you he asked you a lot about the Kathy Newman interview with Jordan Peterson.
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And we just thought, oh, wow, what an interesting perspective would really need to get into some of
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this. But beyond that, for anyone who's not familiar with you or your work, tell everybody
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who are you? How are you where you are? What has been the journey that leads you to be sitting here
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talking to us? Oh, wow, that's a big question. Yeah, I think maybe around 10, 12 years ago,
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I was at the height of my academic career. And I'd been working really, really hard to get to
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where I was. And I kind of achieved everything I could in my field. And I was mid 30s. And I
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realized, what am I doing? I'm not happy. I don't know who I am as a woman. I don't know who's inside
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my body. I don't know my sexuality. I don't know my spirituality. I don't know all the things that
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I kind of had to compromise in order to perform in academia. So that sent me on a really big journey
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into going to the deeper sides, the mystical sides of life. And I discovered psychospiritual
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psychotherapy, which I studied psychosynthesis, and I started to become a psychotherapist in
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that area and it was a deep personal and spiritual journey that really took me into who am I as a
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human being and why am I here and beginning to understand the deep experience of being a woman
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the deep experience of being a mother the deep experience of having a body and and what does
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that mean and that kind of took me into what is most meaningful in life experience this is really
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but what I've been investigating ever since in myself and in the clients that I work with now
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and the people that I train is how can we go deep in our human experience as men, as women,
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in these bodies and as everything in between, wherever we find ourselves in this human experience,
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what does it mean? So I think I started with that curiosity when I came out of my academic mind,
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what else is here when i stop thinking all the time and start feeling with my body with my
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intuition what else is available and and that that kind of took me took me here where i'm working
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with people to come home to themselves in their bodies and and have that deep experience of of
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the human journey um yeah i think it's fascinating it's fascinating what you're talking about because
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i think the the connection with your body is one thing that in modern society we don't really
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deal with or talk about it you don't get you don't go to school to be taught about that right no one
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tells you about that and also you know you talk about your experience getting to your mid-30s
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being successful in your career but then suddenly realizing you're not happy well it's sort of a
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single example of something happening at a broader level of society where we've seen for 70 odd years
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women's happiness in particular plummeting but also men's too and you know mental ill health
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on the rise as well. What are your thoughts on the sort of like, why is that all happening? What
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are the areas where we are becoming more and more disconnected from the things that we ought to be
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connected to? I think we've lost touch really with the meaning of why we're here, the meaning of
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what is this human experience? We're just producing and producing and producing, kind of just
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keeping the wheel going. And we are realizing as we're doing that, it doesn't give us anything
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Where we are going as society, where we are going as humankind, it's not sustainable.
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So we're keeping an identity going and we know it's not true.
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And I think that inner compromise is what is tearing people down,
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the knowing that something more true is calling and we're just not listening.
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And why is this way that we're living not sustainable?
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First of all, it's not sustainable on our planet.
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We can see that it's not sustainable in the long run.
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We are out of touch with what really makes us happy.
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It's it's we're just spinning in the wheel of thinking we have to do something.
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Within a very few couple of years, we'll begin to see more and more tangible effects of things that we are not taking seriously.
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there's a lot of tension in our societies that is just bubbling under the surface and right now
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we are able to keep it kind of safe and contained but I don't think that's going to last forever
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because there is in the individuals and in the collective there is this this knowing that
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this is not the right direction what are we doing yeah and you talk about the right about
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the right direction what is the right direction Louise for you yeah that's a very good question
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i think the right direction is really to to pause and to stop producing all the time and to start
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feeling it's in a way it's it's a i took the microcosm of that in my own life that i i i
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stopped performing in that big way and said i really don't know what is the direction right
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now i pulled every plug in my life literally to the point where there was nothing left of my old
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identity. And I think as a society, we need to do this journey in finding new values, finding what
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is life really about? What has value to us? How are we connecting with each other? What is life,
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this miracle of being alive in our body, of being able to breathe in a body to see, smell, touch,
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and feel? That is an incredibly deep journey that we're not honoring right now as we're just
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racing ahead our nervous system are constantly on high alert and we're not feeling we're not
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really being present with the the miracle it is to actually be here in this human experience
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and louise one of the things that i you know i've done some of the sort of work that you're
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talking about in my own life you know personal development and training and all that sort of
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thing and i found it very useful but one of the things that inevitably comes out of what you're
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saying is the more you connect with your body, the more the male and female aspects of this start to
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come in because our bodies are different. Our hormonal makeup is different. And I don't know
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whether you'd agree with this, but I think it has been the case that we in the last many decades
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have sort of tried to erase all of that and pretend that actually, you know, we're not men
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and women actually you know like we're kind of the same like you know we can all do the same stuff
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we all think the same we all you know it's all sort of you know it's up for grabs we it's it's
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it's a socially negotiated thing and you can just be who you are without ever having to deal with
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the fact that biologically you are of a particular sex and it's I don't know because I don't know
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exactly the nature of your work but I imagine you might have some thoughts on that yeah it's
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I love this question, because everything is in that question, because what you're saying
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logically makes sense. Of course, postmodernism, deconstructivism makes sense. Like we have to go
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through that stage where we question all these essential truths. But once we've done that,
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what is left when we stop thinking about it, when we stop thinking the world from a conceptual level
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and we start feeling, when we start slowing down so we can actually feel what is this human
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experience about in me at an experiential level, we start connecting with something that's deeper
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than the conceptual constructions of values in society. We start feeling our existential
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condition. And in that existential condition, I don't think we can just say there is nothing
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like a man or a woman or the masculine and the feminine from a felt perspective.
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And also, some people find themselves on different specters of that.
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But we have male bodies, we have female bodies, and that's a given that we have to somehow
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and that does not mean that we identify as a woman or a man as society has conditioned us
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absolutely I really agree with those questions are so important to ask we have to move through
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this phase absolutely those stereotypical images of what it is to be a man and a woman
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they don't work anymore but once we've done that there's the next level and that level is about
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really feeling what is in in in lack of better words what is the feminine in me what is the
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masculine in me how does it want to express what does it feel like as an archetype as as as an
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energy and some people are more connected to the masculine energy some people are more connected
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to the feminine energy most of these people will be women and men and of course we oscillate all
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the time but we can't say that that they don't exist they exist in my experience as simply
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existential polarities that are within us and between us and and they want different things
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they have different qualities and a thing that I am really interested in is how that shows up
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in society how that shows up in the in the discussions we have in society about men and
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about women and about that really really hot space between men and women and i say hot space
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because it's both a space it's a space where there's a lot of passion and there's a lot of
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excitement and there's also a lot of very very difficult emotions and and what what's that about
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what are these emotions and why why are they so hot right now the emotions are basically because
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we're moving out. We've been moving out for a very long time, but we're still in that transitional
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phase of moving out of a society that was structured around patriarchal values. That's a
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given. That's how it's been for a very, very long time. And for a long time, we've also,
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we've been rebelling against it. We've been moving through that paradigm. But again,
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with this paradigm, I think we have to be careful that we don't throw out the baby with the bath
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water because as an existential given as human beings we're vulnerable we're vulnerable because
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we are alive in a body that makes us very very vulnerable we're physically vulnerable
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we are emotionally vulnerable and what we do is we try to reach out to someone that can protect us
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And men have had that ability to be the bigger and stronger
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That's how it's been for a very, very long time.
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And now that paradigm has been moving for a long time.
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And right now, women are not happy with that role.
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They're angry about the shadow sides of that role,
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But what I see is that that discussion happens without looking at
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The masculine abuse of power does not exist in a void.
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And looking at that dynamic is really important for me in my work,
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where I work with a lot, mostly I work with a lot of female clients
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that have a difficult relationship with being a woman
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and have a difficult relationship with their sexuality
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and have difficult relationships with the masculine,
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whether they are wanting to be in relationship with men or with women.
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because they don't know where to put the masculine.
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Is it wanting to overpower me or is it not worth anything?
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And I think many women are struggling with that whole,
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what is the masculine when it's not patriarchy?
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And do you think, Louise, part of the problem is,
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is that the role of men has changed in society,
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whereby before, you know, there was a very traditional structure.
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Now, because of a myriad of different reasons, that is no longer applicable.
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Do you think that's part of the reason why we're in crisis?
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I think men have, in their own journey, men have lost their identity
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So women are both angry and women are also feeling more empowered, like that kind of, that tower of patriarchy is crumbling. So women are reacting to that in different ways. And men are also reacting to it. Men are reacting with, I don't know how to be a man anymore. I don't have any role models.
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Men have to make it up as they go along now, and they have all these reactions from women
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These reactions, these projections, and they're very strong still.
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We're still only on our way out of that paradigm.
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And to see, from my perspective as a woman working with women, to see what women do to
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men and see the suffering that, I'm going to say, we inflict on men is painful.
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and it's painful. What do you mean? What are you talking about when you say the suffering
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women as a whole inflict on men as a whole? What do you mean? I mean that many men now don't really
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know how to be with women. They don't know where women are with men. They don't know,
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can I be myself? Can I be in my power? Can I just be my spontaneous natural expression? Or
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am I going to offend anyone? What's going to happen if I just express this? Men are really
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tiptoeing around women as it is right now. And women are still waiting to see if this kind of
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overpowering is going to happen. Women are still on alert for that energy. And men get anxious
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around women. And that space means that none of us are able to actually relate to each other.
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We're still in the projections that belong to the past.
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The projections are not true anymore, but we're still carrying that energy.
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We're not able to see each other in a clear light.
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And I see that in women, what they see in men is still this waiting,
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there's still this rage that's waiting to come out.
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We're not using each other's sensitivity, each other's abilities,
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Do you think as well part of the problem is our understanding of sex
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and relationships has been so distorted by pornography that in a way
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we find it impossible to connect in a way that is real because we see sex
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and connection as a type of performance almost?
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I think porn has a lot to answer for in that regard, that it has made this kind of stereotypical difference between men and women, has made it very clear it's both diminished men and it's diminished women.
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So we have the kind of the role models for our real power, for our real potency, the role models that we have are really, really poor.
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They are degenerated. They are kind of the shadow sides of who we really are.
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And I think we are seeing a consequence of this because we know porn is not real,
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but it still creeps into our subconscious that we think we have to be like that,
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That easily becomes distorted because it's still working our subconscious.
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louise earlier you were talking about uh the post-modernist approach and this is what i was
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so it's very popular to rail against post-modernist ways of thinking now and and i do to a very large
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extent because i think there are a lot of flaws in that approach but having said that that you
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have to also concede that there are elements of truth for example the idea of how men and women
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should necessarily dress right now i still have like an instinctive discomfort if i'm being honest
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with the idea of like men wearing skirts for example right but but i also recognize that
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that instinctive discomfort is a product of socialization right there's no god-given
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biological reason that men and women should dress in this particular way and so the idea that some
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aspects of our behavior are socially constructed is a fact right and you're talking about how well
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you know some elements of that social construction were about maintaining what was then
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accurately in my view could be described as the patriarchy right men behave like this women
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behave like this and men seem to end up in all the roles of power and influence and whatever
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for the most part and now we've as you were talking about we've gradually gone to strip that
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away uh and i i think it's left both sexes quite discombobulated and uncertain about what they're
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supposed to do and and i see that in you know in in my own relationships and relationships with
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people around me like men men still know that a woman does want a confident strong man but at the
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same time being strong and confident is sort of like are you are you supposed to be that still
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and women are the same are you supposed to like that or are you supposed to be repelled by that
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we're sort of in this limbo aren't we yeah yeah i'm all for that post-modernism that opened
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opened our minds that that that destroyed those rigid paradigms absolutely so important
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the problem with post-modernism is that it easily stays as a mental construct so we think how am I
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supposed to be instead of feeling and I really will come back to that sense of feeling because
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it has to emerge from inside we have to feel the masculine inside and the feminine inside and we
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have to be able to not get stuck in one so I have a male body or I have a female body it must mean
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blah blah blah but let it come from a felt experience what does that mean to me today
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I'm in my masculine tomorrow I'm in my feminine or it shifts from moment to moment and also in
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our relationships can we can we switch roles can we be the one that takes initiative can we be the
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breadwinner can we can we oscillate between those energies in ourselves and in our relationship
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and one day I want to dress like this one day I want to dress like that but not because I think
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that I should be doing that because that's the right paradigm, but because it feels true when
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I connect to myself. This is how I want to express today. Tomorrow I might want to express in a
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different way. And there's still a lot of work to do in having the courage to do what feels right.
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But I think we have to be careful with thinking what's right. And my sense is that a lot
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of this as it is right now comes from a comes from a mental conceptual place it makes sense
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and and i think it's important that it happens but it's not the truth we are experimenting
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with with a conceptual paradigm great but we're still evolving we're still in a process
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and i think that's that's a very good point that we are still in a process because if you saw what
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happened with me too it was very important because it had women to talk about their experiences
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but at the same time there was a an anger that was unleashed at the same time
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and do you think that's part of the process of healing or do you think that was something else
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I think it was a it was important step that anger was a long long long held anger
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and some of it was an anger that had gone into its own spin.
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of acknowledging in ourselves, in the collective
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and being acknowledged, having that acknowledged,
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I think it's extremely important that that happened.
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this is how society should be, this is the truth about women,
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this is the truth about men, and women are allowed to always be angry
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and we should be watching each other all the time,
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that is really, it's a really deep misunderstanding
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that is leading us astray if we keep watching each other
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That it happened was important, and I think there was also some,
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there's been some victims in that on both sides.
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And in the documentary that I talked about earlier,
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you were talking specifically about the interview
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and you talked about, and I'm paraphrasing from memory,
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and for you it's a couple of years ago as well,
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when I try and recollect exactly what you said,
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is a rage that any woman can connect to and feel
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more and more anger, more and more anger coming out.
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Now women have been really airing their anger, some, as I said, righteous anger, and some
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And that anger maybe has a different source, but I think that the anger that we are carrying
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collectively is deep down, it's an anger of despair.
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It's an anger of powerlessness in where we're going as society, what's happening with our politicians, what's happening at the collective levels, what's happening with our societies.
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We feel so powerless to what is really happening in the world.
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That anger is building up and I think that's happening as we're speaking, it's building up collectively.
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And when I say we're not heading in the right direction,
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it's because I think that that anger will begin to erupt
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It's a different thing, but how are we treating animals?
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At some point in the future, we'll look back and say,
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And there's so many of these things that we will look back and say,
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And that knowing inside, that's roaring, that's roaring in all of us.
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So we burn cars or we smash the police or whatever, wherever it starts.
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But that anger, I think it's an anger that all of us have in the powerlessness of COVID
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is just a little kind of a little reminder of we are very vulnerable as a society and
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We are very vulnerable to things that happen like this is just COVID.
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We can have a lot of theories about this and that, but we don't really know what is real.
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We have so many experts that are saying this and that.
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And I think that creates a rage of hopelessness
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much to the chagrin of everyone around you but um but you see it also you know in the smooth
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blank expressionless faces of our celebrities who don't want to just don't want to admit that
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they really are isn't part of the fury and the rage from covid the realization and you talk
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about it yourself that we are fragile but more importantly we're mortal yeah as i said we are
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vulnerable just because we are alive it's scary if we really connect with it the price of admission
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to be alive is we have to die and we are vulnerable all the way through at all stages of life we're
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vulnerable that's scary and we don't know we don't know what to do with that existential vulnerability
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and we don't know as you say we don't know how to talk about that we don't know how to talk about
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yeah at some point it ends that's this this life is um it's a scary place and and how do we how do
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we start to as individuals because i i get this very strong sense from what you're talking about
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that the solution to all of this comes at the level of the individual it's by individuals
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thinking not thinking but slowing down feeling what is right for them and and changing their
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own thought patterns and behavior and and and how they feel about things i've been struck by a thing
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this is turning into personal therapy now but do you want me to go yeah yeah thanks mate just
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i'll lie on this little sofa and talk to to louise but uh what i've been noticing is during
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this whole pandemic and lockdown i'm i'm very concerned about some of the the ways we've dealt
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with the pandemic i think they've been excessive unnecessary in many things and and panic driven
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more than anything, but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it. What I've been struck by
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is in my own, my life is great. Like the lockdown in many ways meant that I spend more time with my
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wife. I have a job that I love doing this. You know, I'm surrounded by friends. Like my life is
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good. So I feel good about me, but I also feel very concerned about what's happening in society
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and sort of like weaving those two things together. There's a big clash going on. I think
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quite a lot of people feel that way at the moment that maybe their own life isn't really that bad
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but what seems to be happening around us as you say there's a repressed thing that we're all
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we're all realizing that our lives can be changed like that by people who we have no
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no no ability to influence at all how does how does one reconcile those two things
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We stay right in there, right inside that question.
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That is, how do I contain my own human experience?
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The price of admission is I have to feel all these things.
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I don't know what to do with all these feelings.
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and stay present, stay with a light of awareness on, stay awake to, wow, what a ride this human
00:31:37.800
life is. I don't know how it's going to end and I don't know what it means. And it's vulnerable
00:31:43.800
and I feel powerless, but I'm here. And one of the things that for me, the pandemic has really
00:31:51.460
brought when we're so physically disconnected is that we can connect in different ways. We can
00:31:58.760
connect on the screen and we can connect with our consciousness and I think this is now I said a lot
00:32:04.060
of things that that that sound quite pessimistic but I also feel that there's a paradigm that's
00:32:11.020
beginning to emerge where we feel our consciousness is more and more connected because it's not just
00:32:16.140
about me and my personal experience and me slowing down it means when I slow down and I begin to feel
00:32:22.400
life in myself, not concepts and ideas, but the felt sense experience. And I connect with other
00:32:29.900
people when I'm in this place. We're beginning to feel more and more that I feel your experience.
00:32:37.940
I don't have to physically be with you. I can just listen to the sound of your voice. I can
00:32:44.160
listen to the vibration of the sound. And I can feel, I can feel like we are beginning to be one
00:32:50.940
consciousness more and more. And that's something that is beginning to emerge that hasn't fully
00:32:56.620
shown itself. But that feeling, we are not that different. That's another thing. We're not that
00:33:01.660
different. We think we are so unique in our experience and all that. We're not that different.
00:33:06.880
We are wired mostly exactly in the same way. We are so predictable as human beings. So what I
00:33:14.840
experience. It's very easy to tap into and influence each other. We don't need to be
00:33:20.660
physically connected in order to create a field of consciousness where what I feel becomes what
00:33:27.220
you feel. And we can begin to change things like that. I'm very excited and very interested in what
00:33:35.180
does it mean when we use our consciousness, I want to say as a technology, it's not a tangible
00:33:40.700
technology, but it is a technology because it is a way it creates. We become a bigger neural network
00:33:47.120
that has a lot of potential. It's not that I have the answer of where this is going, but
00:33:52.720
we are beginning to create those connections of becoming a bigger neural network.
00:33:59.920
And I think that will hold a lot of positive change, a lot of really interesting
00:34:06.060
new narrative about what does it mean to be a human being and we haven't discovered that we're
00:34:12.360
beginning to but it's way more than these boxes that we have placed ourselves in as it is now
00:34:18.200
do you think part of the thing that might actually help and i this is what happened to me during
00:34:23.500
corona so i was a stand-up comedian i was gigging every night of the week i was doing you know well
00:34:29.040
i was earning money most money that i've ever earned and then all of a sudden overnight
00:34:33.920
it stopped and I was left alone in my flat overnight everything I worked for stopped
00:34:42.300
and then you suddenly realize that these things these ideas that you've been chasing
00:34:46.680
there are many ways an illusion they don't matter what matters is the connections that you have
00:34:52.380
with other people do you think we may have been reminded of that and we may appreciate that far
00:34:58.360
more when all these lockdowns are over we're able to socialize again and we're able to see our
00:35:03.440
family again I think it's what's happened is a massive shift in our values of course because
00:35:11.160
most of us have been as you said we've simply been slammed out of our identity of our
00:35:17.620
identifications this is who I thought myself to be it's not possible anymore so who am I and what
00:35:25.260
really matters when I'm sat there in my flat dead board and physically on my own what am I going to
00:35:32.200
do, what really matters. And that takes us into that fields of consciousness where it really is
00:35:38.180
about connection. It is about what can we create when we come together? What can we create when we
00:35:44.240
feel each other? When we are on a human journey, not just all about our identity and what am I
00:35:49.880
doing? What are you doing in life? Which kind of identification game are we playing out? But who
00:35:55.780
are we as human beings? I think that that is also a shift in our values that is happening. And I
00:36:02.020
I really like the fact that we are so much online and sometimes you're in a studio, sometimes you're in your home and we're seeing more and more of each other.
00:36:13.060
We're beginning to unpeel a bit more, show a bit more.
00:36:20.340
And that ironically happens when the world becomes virtual.
00:36:24.160
And I think there's a very interesting dichotomy in that kind of collective intimacy that we are also able to create that wasn't possible in the same way before.
00:36:37.420
Liz, I want to talk briefly about something else.
00:36:39.640
You talked about the fact that there's a bubbling rage fueled by our hopelessness and powerlessness that we feel.
00:36:48.880
because one of the things that has absolutely shocked me during the pandemic particularly
00:36:55.140
is how willing people have been to give up certain rights, certain freedoms that we all
00:37:01.740
used to take for granted and assume could not be. We assumed they were inalienable from us.
00:37:06.960
The right to walk on the street, to go for a jog, to meet friends, to eat in a restaurant,
00:37:12.960
all of these things have gone like that. And the support seemingly, at least we're told by
00:37:18.000
pollsters is you know the vast majority of the public are very happy with this and they want
00:37:22.220
more of it and i i've personally maybe i'm just quite a risk hungry person i've never had an issue
00:37:29.100
with taking risks but a lot of people seem to be to have turned out to my surprise and it could
00:37:35.140
just be my ignorance but a lot of people surprise me by how risk averse they were in the middle of
00:37:40.800
this did you have any insights on on why that might have happened if you share my analysis yeah
00:37:45.640
yeah honestly I think we are in a collective trauma we are in a collective we are both we
00:37:52.600
we are both at the same time we're in a collapse we are just collapsed in hopelessness we don't
00:37:57.280
know we really we feel disempowered we don't actually really know what to do and there's so
00:38:02.260
much going on exactly with feeling overpowered with what's going on politically how how is that
00:38:07.820
suddenly possible are we becoming a police state what's really happening so there's a collapse
00:38:20.720
We just got into, let's have intellectual conversations
00:38:30.320
And both the collapse and the dissociation happens
00:38:45.280
And COVID is just, that's just a little circle that kind of tickles us in.
00:38:57.700
And right now I think we are in freeze and in detach collectively.
00:39:03.980
And at some point, and this is where when I'm talking about the collective neural network
00:39:09.120
that is also forming that that comes more online when we begin to unfreeze from that place and
00:39:16.280
realize okay but there's other possibilities there's other ways we can connect there's other
00:39:21.240
ways to find meaning there's other ways to be human but right now we are going through a state
00:39:26.820
of trauma because everything we thought that was okay this is just how it's going to be
00:39:33.040
is not it's not possible it's not possible right now and when it becomes possible again
00:39:38.080
the world will have changed it's happening kind of mostly under the radar but it's happening at
00:39:43.740
very deep levels and louise do you think another part of the problem is and let's talk about
00:39:50.740
politics briefly so you know trump was elected and then biden was elected and everybody sort of
00:39:57.620
went well you know everything's fine again now are we not learning from our mistakes meaning that we
00:40:04.400
continue to make the same mistake again and again well electing old white men yeah exactly but but
00:40:10.660
in a sense you know collectively we're making these mistakes again and again whether it's with
00:40:14.740
the institutions whether it's with the political system whether it's with our treatment of the
00:40:18.720
planet whatever it may be yeah i really don't know what to say to that because there is a big problem
00:40:27.640
around our political structures our political systems it's very obvious they don't work
00:40:32.280
but it's not like we have a better answer okay we're just gonna do this instead we don't know
00:40:38.060
how we're gonna sort that out I don't know what to say to that but I can see that it is
00:40:46.500
an incredibly big big problem that we have such I'm gonna say degenerated leadership
00:40:52.680
because I didn't grow up in England but something that I really really love about that country
00:40:59.200
is the myth of King Arthur where I love the English countryside and I love there's a lot
00:41:10.680
of that mysticism and I think that that myth is a part of it where they say the king is the land
00:41:16.920
and let's just say the king or the queen is the land which means that leadership is not about
00:41:23.940
power over. Leadership is about being. It's about serving the well-being. There is no leader without
00:41:31.660
the land. The land is a leader. And we've completely forgotten that. Leadership is
00:41:37.780
degenerated and self-interested. It's not really about the land.
00:41:43.800
It's become tyranny. So this is what Jordan Peterson often talks about. We've gone from
00:41:56.900
that only looks out for the interests of itself.
00:42:16.400
Yeah. Yeah. Louise, we've got about 10 minutes. There's one thing I wanted to come back to,
00:42:22.720
which is the men and women thing. And my wife will be very unhappy with me if I don't bring
00:42:27.540
this up, because what we've noticed, and I think a lot of people have noticed, and you talked about
00:42:32.680
at the beginning of our interviews, the more you connect with who you actually are, you slow down
00:42:38.740
and you notice not what you're supposed to feel, not what you've been told that you're supposed
00:42:44.780
to feel but actually how you feel it's difficult to not then notice well as a man there's certain
00:42:50.100
things that drive me in this direction and it's only when you fully connect with that that i feel
00:42:54.540
for myself i'm able to connect with the feminine parts of me to to be more you know gentle or
00:43:02.280
diplomatic or whatever the stereotypes you want to put on it and one of the things my wife has
00:43:07.060
been talking to me is the importance of the the cycle and recognizing things that come with that
00:43:13.140
and that's you know a taboo subject for you know for a hundred different reasons but men also have
00:43:19.100
a cycle too not me you're just you're just constantly depressed is that it and angry like
00:43:25.620
but we all have like patterns that that that that we go through what advice do you or would you give
00:43:34.860
to both men and women in terms of being aware of that being present to that uh and and you know
00:43:40.280
And I just increasingly am aware that's not something you can pretend away from the human experience, right?
00:43:47.520
If your body is flushed with certain types of hormones for both men and women, you can't ignore that, right?
00:44:08.580
let the feminine inside show you here the feminine is full of feeling the feminine is always
00:44:14.240
looking out for the tribe the feminine is feeling how is the field
00:44:17.820
light of consciousness there's a field here wow this field is feeling a lot
00:44:24.320
and light of awareness in there is a field that's feeling a lot what are we going when we stay in
00:44:32.800
our inner alignment what is the choice we're going to make what are we going to do with that feeling
00:44:49.540
And how do we, with our structured mind, with our masculine,
00:44:58.720
It's about bridging the masculine and the feminine inside.
00:45:01.600
And when we are flushed, listening to life is expressing something
00:45:05.040
and having the light of awareness to not just in pure feeling act out,
00:45:12.680
but saying, I'm going to listen to what this feeling is telling me.
00:45:18.520
So it's neither black or white, like I'm wearing.
00:45:22.980
It really is to stay right in the middle and feel both.
00:45:26.460
And we tend to want to dismiss one or the other.
00:45:32.000
but isn't part of the challenge as well that a lot of us live in these you know city landscapes
00:45:36.860
where it almost seems designed for you to not experience stillness to for you to not experience
00:45:44.180
that feeling because it's a constantly sensory overload because you're go go go go go so actually
00:45:49.840
you never get to experience that stillness and in many ways when you do you're sort of bereft
00:45:56.080
because you're missing that constant stimulation.
00:46:06.920
You don't have to be like on a meditation retreat
00:46:25.420
or you can't live a normal life, you can't have a job, you can't be in a society.
00:46:29.380
That's, again, that's again black and white, a misunderstanding.
00:46:33.200
That being able to connect with the field is always available.
00:46:55.420
and I'm here it's it's that simple and that hard yeah it's it's really interesting to me that
00:47:03.840
whenever we've had this conversation whether that's with you or with Jordan Hall or with
00:47:08.820
Jordan Peterson whenever we we pose these questions about society the answer always
00:47:15.200
comes back down to the level of the individual which is it's you that has to you know in Jordan
00:47:20.760
Peterson's case clean your room or whatever it is or you have to slow down and you have to to be
00:47:27.460
present and you have to feel and that is really the answer to all of this isn't it yes and
00:47:34.600
it's not black and white because the individual is collective too there it's a false dichotomy
00:47:41.760
it's either me or the whole because we can only feel the whole when we feel ourselves
00:47:48.260
and we are in a field of consciousness whether we are physically connected or not we are impacting
00:47:54.440
each other all the time so the journey to the individual is really a collective journey we
00:48:00.960
just haven't totally figured it out yet that makes sense well louise it's been an absolute pleasure
00:48:07.240
speaking with you uh as you know we have one final question which is always what's the one
00:48:12.640
thing we're not talking about as a society that we really should be yeah we've been talking about
00:48:18.740
it today without talking about it because it's it's a big context of of where it's it's it's
00:48:29.920
the ground of all the conversations we have which for me is what are we going to do with the fact
00:48:39.700
and the numbers are going up and up and up and up and up
00:48:43.220
and we get fixated on the stats of COVID and oh the deaths
00:48:49.700
but if we look at how many people are born every second on this planet
00:49:02.940
it's such a painful and difficult question and we don't know how to even begin
00:49:09.040
now don't worry we're gonna have a war and it'll all be fine louise
00:49:13.180
that's a sad answer i know i know i'm a comedian i'm supposed to do jokes about sad things so i
00:49:21.740
don't have to address the reality underneath which is difficult that's my job uh it's a good
00:49:27.360
point it's a very good point it's one we've discussed on the show in the past and um you
00:49:37.980
I hope and I'm sure that people have enjoyed it.
00:49:40.980
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00:49:44.620
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00:49:51.580
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00:49:54.060
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00:49:58.760
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00:50:17.740
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