00:03:33.000But, you know, my first, when I became a counsellor, I went to teach in my local school.
00:03:39.000I love basketball because what basketball taught me actually, it was a really important lesson, was teamwork.
00:03:45.000And I find that you don't only rely on your team for so many things, but also you can't let your team down.
00:03:52.000So if someone, you know, you had a teammate who smoked cigarettes, you'd be like, Christ's sake, please stop smoking because you're so breathless, you can't run down the court.
00:03:59.000You know, and you learn that it's not only about you, your actions, you know, if you're part of a team, have consequences for others.
00:04:44.000I remember I used to plait her hair as we'd watch, you know, News at 10, Spitting Image, all kinds of stuff.
00:04:49.000And she loved Margaret Thatcher and we discussed politics and, you know, it was under Margaret Thatcher that her life changed.
00:04:54.000They came from a communist Egypt to England in the 60s.
00:04:59.000So politics really shaped a lot of the conversation at home.
00:05:03.000And I was acutely aware of the effects that different political leadership can have on people's lives.
00:05:09.000And, yeah, it was just, it was always a natural progression.
00:05:15.000You know, I went to work at the CPS at some point in my life and I realised, gosh, there's so much that needs to be changed.
00:05:21.000And it was so frustrating, actually, to be part of something when I knew that things could be changed and I couldn't do anything about it.
00:05:27.000And I joined my local conservative branch.
00:05:31.000You know, in fact, they needed legal advice at the time.
00:05:33.000So I gave them some free legal advice and then I just, you know, volunteered and it was a natural progression.
00:05:38.000And then they were looking for candidates and crime was really rampant in my area.
00:05:41.000And I'm like, God's sake, you know, how can we do something about it?
00:05:44.000And said, you know, I'll run and try and make my area crime free.
00:05:49.000And I became, you know, I was known as a crime fighting counsellor.
00:05:53.000And I, you know, I said, I'm going to try and really do something with this.
00:05:57.000And so I held, you know, the first public meeting between the police and residents, because you find there is a disconnect between the police and residents,
00:06:03.000where they could actually hear from the police what they're doing because they do do good work and they can tell them the issues.
00:06:09.000And then I set up different WhatsApp groups where I would feed intel from the residents to the police, you know,
00:06:13.000you know, sometimes at four o'clock you have a dodgy car outside your window and you know it's dealing drugs but you can't really call 999.
00:06:19.000They feed me those license plates and actually, you know, we managed to kind of break up some organised crime operations in the area.
00:06:25.000I went after criminals myself. I wouldn't advise anyone to do that.
00:06:30.000You know, there were a bunch of Roma gypsies that would particularly come to the area.
00:06:33.000They'd have the women there who would beg for money and the men would come all dressed nicely and follow people and unzip their, you know, their bags.
00:06:42.000And so I would film them and say, listen, I'm with the police. I'm the councillor here. I don't want to see you here. I know what you're doing.
00:06:48.000And then I asked the police to do an undercover operation and catch them and they did.
00:06:53.000So, and that was my council work in terms of getting crime down in my area.
00:06:57.000And as I was telling you before, crime is rampant in my ward.
00:07:01.000I had, you know, people were sending me literal photos of people hiring a prostitute and having sex in their courtyard, in their building, on their way to school, to take their children to school.
00:07:14.000I had another one in a, in a beautiful muse where the drug dealer would set up shop, you know, at about 1pm in the afternoon, set up a whole, set up a clinic.
00:07:23.000So, and I had videos of this where the drug dealer, the drug addict would come, he'd be injured.
00:07:27.000The drug addict, the drug dealer would help heal him, give him drugs.
00:07:32.000All this and, you know, in front of a CCTV. No, no shame in their game because there are no police.
00:07:37.000And all this was happening and I couldn't believe it.
00:07:41.000I had one truck that was inhabited by two foreign guys and they were running a brothel at night from it.
00:07:48.000So, you know, I would tell the council, police, can we do something about it?
00:07:52.000And they'd be like, well, you know, they pay their tickets, we don't really tow.
00:07:54.000And the police would be like, well, you know, it's a council matter because they're paying their tickets and we haven't had any complaints of illegal activity.
00:08:32.000What does it mean that the city's changed?
00:08:34.000And particularly, let's look at crime, because if you ask the average Londoner, they wouldn't be able to say, oh, stats have gone up by this percentage or that percentage or whatever else.
00:08:45.000But we all feel it's a very different city.
00:08:48.000Yeah, we do feel it's a different city.
00:08:49.000And the thing is, so when I announced my candidacy to be mayor, you know, Sadiq Khan came out of hiding finally, all guns blazing, saying that actually homicide rates are down.
00:08:57.000Homicide rates is the only stat that has gone down.
00:08:59.000And knife crime's up by 68% in the past 10 years.
00:09:19.000And what's really upsetting to hear, I think even more than that, is that the charge rate, the amount of offences that end up in a charge, apart from homicide, which is obviously 95%, because you can't really ignore a dead body, is 6%.
00:09:34.000So 94% of victims in the city do not even get a look in.
00:09:38.000And I actually spoke to a lady who was raped.
00:09:41.000And she told me that the police said, we're not going to investigate.
00:09:46.000And I actually emailed the police for her and said, why aren't you putting this to charge?
00:09:51.000And they said, because she was smiling on the CCTV before she went up to his house.
00:09:56.000And they said, we are not confident, this were the words, that a jury would convict.
00:10:01.000And I said, you are not to act as judge and jury, but that's what's going on.
00:10:04.000They are so focused on metrics, so focused on getting convictions, that they are not putting things to charge.
00:10:17.000So what normally happens, and I was a senior Crown Prosecutor in London, and what normally happens is the police collect all the evidence and they submit it to the Crown Prosecution Service if it's deemed worthy of a charge.
00:10:33.000I just feel Londoners don't feel the police have their back.
00:10:37.000I honestly speak to small supermarkets who tell me that the police are screening their calls.
00:10:44.000They don't answer their calls anymore because they're calling every half an hour.
00:10:47.000And I'm sure you've seen this in supermarkets where they have a who's who of who's robbing, who's coming to steal from their shop because they feel they have to do it themselves.
00:10:54.000The social contract between the police and the state and the people is broken because the only thing you can't provide privately for yourself is the police, right?
00:11:04.000Everything else you can, if you've got the money, do it.
00:11:07.000And I think that is why it's the government's first duty and they failed.
00:11:11.000And how much of that, because look, I'm all for blaming Sadiq Khan, right?
00:11:17.000But how much of that is actually Sadiq Khan's fault and how much of that, look, I talk to coppers all the time.
00:11:23.000You only have to mention the words Theresa and May together and they all collectively blow a gasket because of the way the police was defunded and the cuts.
00:11:31.000So how much can we really appropriate to Sadiq Khan and how much of this is just cuts that have happened to the police service generally?
00:11:49.000And what Theresa May did even worse was that she really politicised Stop and Search and said it was targeting certain ethnic communities more
00:12:00.000and that police forces had to reduce it.
00:12:04.000And, you know, on any data, you know that Stop and Search prevents knife crime because you remove that knife from the person before they've committed the offence.
00:12:14.000They shut a lot of magistrates' courts down, which, in case your viewers don't know, all criminal proceedings in this country start in the magistrates.
00:12:22.000And then if it does go up to the ground, so they cut them all.
00:12:24.000So, for instance, I was a senior Crown Prosecutor about, you know, ten years ago in Surrey, in Guildford.
00:12:30.000And I worked, you know, the Crown, the courts were in Staines, Woking, Guildford and I forget the other one.
00:12:38.000They were all cut. Only Guildford remains.
00:12:40.000And so, number one, people from other parts of Surrey don't have representation in the magistrates.
00:12:46.000Victims have to travel a very long way to go to the magistrates and there has been a lack of focus on keeping people safe.
00:27:48.000It's funny, in this country, if you say that, you might be called racist by some people.
00:27:53.000If you tell people in any other country that in Britain, we actively discriminate against our own population in favour of foreigners, they all think we're crazy.
00:28:03.000Everyone around the world thinks what we're doing is insane.
00:28:56.000And I speak to people who are from there, who have moved out, because they feel, you know, they grew up there, they feel they've been eradicated.
00:29:04.000You know, their way of life, their values have been eradicated.
00:29:07.000And they've got burka markets in Tower Hamlets, you know?
00:29:12.000And, listen, my parents are Muslim, but they didn't move for that.
00:30:23.000And that's why you find people and the demographics, because there's such a big social housing and so many refugees are housed in London, in certain parts of London,
00:30:32.000and British people who work in London can no longer afford to live here.
00:30:36.000You've found an influx of foreigners who don't really want to live in a British...
00:30:41.000Who want to live in Britain, but don't want to live in Britain, if you know what I mean?
00:30:45.000And British people are priced out of the UK.
00:32:45.000In communities across Canada, hourly Amazon employees earn an average of over $24.50 an hour.
00:32:54.000Employees also have the opportunity to grow their skills and their paycheck by enrolling in free skills training programs for in-demand fields,
00:33:03.000like software development and information technology.
00:47:35.000You know, and we're all, we all respect our leader.
00:47:37.000There's no, there's no chat in the back to get rid of him.
00:47:40.000And I think when you have strong leadership with strong convictions, strong priorities, whoever joins recognizes that that's the aim of the party.
00:47:49.000And I think that's what the Conservative Party failed to do.
00:47:53.000They didn't have, nobody really knew what they stood for.
00:47:56.000You know, they'd look at us and go, you know, we're the party of low taxation, highest tax burden since World War Two.
00:48:02.000We're the party of home ownership, lowest tax home, you know, if 30 and 40 year olds who don't own a home, never will.
00:48:07.000We're the party of law and order, law and order, as we just discussed, you know, crime was rife.
00:48:13.000You know, we're the party of business.
00:48:16.000You know, they deliberately removed the non-dom policy just to beat Labour.
00:48:22.000This was a party that was there to serve a party.
00:48:25.000They forgot to serve the British public.
00:48:51.000But I also think a lot of people might be saying, well, look, I think it's quite obvious reform needs more, more high caliber people to stand in all sorts of constituents around the country and then to form a cabinet.
00:49:03.000What happens when the party has 200 MPs, most of whom are formally part of the failed Tory party and the weight of the balance of power within reform has shifted so heavily towards those people?
00:49:17.000Isn't reform going to face exactly the same problem as the Tories where you effectively had a liberal wing of the party holding back actual Conservatives?
00:49:24.000Well, now you're going to have people will say Tory wets holding back those of you who are actually sort of native reformers.
00:49:33.000So to be fair, Tory wets aren't joining us.
00:49:36.000What about what about what's his face? Jake Berry.
00:50:53.000And I was part of the Conservatives because I think, and a lot of people who are still part of the Conservatives, who haven't had the guts to leave, is because we still think of it as the party of Margaret Thatcher.
00:51:06.000And we try and ignore everything it's done and think that maybe, maybe, just maybe, they might become Conservative again.
00:51:15.000But, and then you're like, hang on, there's this other party that is actually saying everything that I believe in, and is the real Conservative party with a small c, and that's why they're joining.
00:51:26.000But as I said, everyone who joins won't be in government, but anyone can join.
00:51:31.000You know, we could have, we could have, you know, we've had a green councillor defect.
00:51:35.000Because, look, I'll be honest with you.
00:51:38.000Also, also, by the way, politics is not, is not a permanent damnation.
00:51:55.000Has all these people atone for their sins?
00:51:56.000The party hasn't atone for their sins.
00:51:58.000But, but, for instance, you mentioned January.
00:52:00.000I mean, one thing he did say, so I was quite sceptical, and then his speech, he said something that really resonated with me, and he worded it better than I ever could, where he said, they are so compromised that they can no longer speak for the people.
00:52:12.000And that's how I feel the Conservative party is.
00:52:15.000They are so, they are the architects of all the issues we face now, but they can't admit it, because it's like a criminal being caught red-handed and saying, I'm innocent.
00:52:35.000So, it's like a criminal has been caught red-handed, and what you now have is a criminal gang who is now bleeding former members to your party.
00:52:47.000All I can say is, Nigel's political view and sense, I've always trusted, and he made the decision, and I think it's the good decision, because what it signals, forget the reflection on reform, which I can see some people have their doubts, but what it does signal is that the Conservative party is effectively finished.
00:53:12.000And if that thought process accelerates Nigel Farage being Prime Minister, then for me, anything that does that is in the national interest.
00:53:23.000And when you have big players, whether you like Generic or not, but he is a big player in the Conservative party...
00:53:37.000But when you have big players joining, and really eviscerating the Conservative party, if that accelerates a reformed government, then for me, it's a patriotic duty for me to support it, because it's in the national interest for everyone that we do have a reformed government.
00:53:52.000There must be a part of you that is worried when you have someone like Nadeem Zahawi joining reform, and particularly his behaviour during Covid, with vaccine passports.
00:54:05.000That was one of the most egregious infringements of civil liberties that has happened in all our lifetimes, and I think we can agree with that.
00:54:36.000They didn't take in natural immunity at all.
00:54:38.000It was completely disregarded, which is the most...
00:54:42.000Anyway, as I said, and I think Nadeem said in his press conference, he is a foot soldier.
00:54:49.000Anyone can join, and I think Nadeem is a very successful businessman, if you remove that aspect of his political career, which I agree I did not agree with at all.
00:55:00.000In fact, it's during that period that I started inching away from the Conservative Party and having my doubts.
00:55:05.000You know, we could only walk in those days, and I'd go on long walks.
00:55:08.000One of my closest friends is a real lefty, you know, she's an Oxford grad, an environmentalist.
00:55:15.000I think I did, like, literally half a million steps, and I'd be like, who the hell does this government think it is?
00:55:20.000You know, who are they to tell me what to do?
00:55:23.000And then you'd hear, you know, the number six was an arbitrary number that you could have at your house.
00:55:26.000But he is a successful businessman, and I think successful businessmen who have created something from nothing could be a benefit.
00:55:34.000But again, he did say he was a foot soldier, and that's how it is.
00:55:40.000As I said, anyone can join. You know, we're not a closed shop.
00:55:43.000And I'll tell you why this is so important, Leyla.
00:55:45.000And it's because one of the great privileges of doing this show, both for me and Constantine, is we get to talk to ordinary people about what's going on in the world.
00:55:54.000And they invariably, a lot of the times, less so now, which is very heartening, it's a one-two over the shoulder and then asking or saying something.
00:56:01.000The reason we're pressing you about this particular issue is because I feel the next general election, this is it.
00:56:10.000We're drinking in the last chance saloon.
00:56:12.000We're drinking in the last chance saloon culturally, economically, societally.
00:56:16.000And one of my fears is that we're looking at the same people coming in and going, we're just making the same mistake here.
00:56:24.000And when I talk to people on the streets, it's ordinary, regular people.
00:56:28.000They've lost faith in democracy. They've lost faith in democracy.
00:56:31.000They've lost faith in party politics. And they've lost faith in politicians.
00:56:35.000And that is a very dangerous place for society to be in.
00:56:38.000100%. I mean, until reform, I'd lost faith in democracy, to be honest, because I felt I was voting for something and getting the complete opposite.
00:56:47.000And I campaigned under the Tory banner across the country and the year before the general election.
00:56:54.000And the number one message I got, it wasn't like cost of living. It was you lot are in it for yourselves.
00:56:59.000And that really resonated with me. People really felt that politicians were doing politics for themselves.
00:57:06.000And the Conservative Party was there to serve itself. And people, that is, for me, the main difference between reform.
00:57:15.000We're not some 100-year-old, 200-year-old party that's, you know, badge of, like, honour to be.
00:57:21.000Reform is not why we're there. We're there because we really have had enough and we wanted what's best for the country.
00:57:28.000And people who come over from the Conservatives are doing the same. You know, they want to fundamentally fix what they were part of breaking.
00:57:38.000And, you know, who am I to say no to that? They're like, yes, we messed it up. We got it wrong. Please, can we help fix it?
00:57:49.000Leila, one other issue I want to raise with you. You actually alluded to it a number of times.
00:57:55.000You talked about burqas and you talked about parts of London feeling like a Muslim, I don't remember the words you used exactly,
00:58:00.000but Muslim city, Muslim ghetto, whatever you want to call it.
00:58:03.000There's obviously, I think, if we look across Europe, there's been a dramatic rise in the concern about what people might call Islamification, etc.
00:58:14.000I think so. We saw it across the Middle East over the past few decades. You saw it in Egypt where my parents are from.
00:58:23.000You know, my mum showed me pictures where people were in bikinis and swimsuits on the beach.
00:58:27.000Now you go to a beach, everyone's in full burqa in the sea, all in black.
00:58:31.000In the Middle East, it's because there's no social mobility at all. Wealth is really accumulated very much at the top.
00:58:41.000There's no welfare, there's nothing, and people turn to religion and it's exploited by radical Islamic leaders in that sense.
00:58:52.000And I think the reason it is here is because we have let people into the country in massive amounts of numbers with no filter who hate the country.
00:59:05.000You know, you have let people in. Some of the people we've let in would be considered radical Muslims in the parts they are and would be nowhere near government,
00:59:16.000would be nowhere near local government. But we haven't had that. I mean, we've let in, we let Muslim Brotherhood is not prescribed in this country.
00:59:23.000We let in someone, a convicted bomb maker from Egypt, and considered his claim and put him in a four-star hotel in Ealing for 18 months paid for by the taxpayer.
00:59:32.000This is someone who was part of the Muslim Brotherhood and convicted. Muslim Brotherhood, for your viewers, they are the founding fathers of ISIS and Al-Qaeda.
00:59:41.000You know, you just say that word in some parts of the Middle East and you're imprisoned. Here, we grant them asylum, put them in the middle of towns and villages.
00:59:49.000He went on to rape someone in Hyde Park. As I said, we, we, that is, for me, that is treacherous from a government. And that's what you have.
00:59:57.000You have people, I don't, you know, and I know Merkel let in all the Syrian refugees, despite other, other European countries begging her not to,
01:00:06.000into our country. We don't have a government whose sole purpose is to protect the British public and the British way of life.
01:00:14.000We don't. We don't have that. And we've let in too many people from certain countries and certain cultures who not only hate the country, but want to change it.
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01:01:53.000Why do they hate the country? Because it's not a Muslim country. They want it to be a Muslim country.
01:01:58.000I speak to some. I don't speak. I hear some. They do want it to be a Muslim country.
01:02:03.000But not only that, they somehow blame Britain for all the woes of the Middle East or the woes of their country or, you know, what's going on in Palestine or what's going on, I don't know where.
01:02:15.000And they blame it. And they don't come with a love of country or Great Britain.
01:02:22.000They don't come being, I want to come. I want to embrace it. I want to work. I want to do well. You know, I want my kids to grow up British.
01:02:29.000That's not why they come. You know, they come and they're like, you know what, I can go there.
01:02:33.000I can bring in 20 of my family members. I can live for free. I can do what I want. I can say what I want.
01:02:39.000And if the host nation, you know, and if anyone from the host nation complains, they actually call them racist.
01:02:45.000They get the blame. That's what's going on. Do they think they see us as weak? Do I think what?
01:02:50.000Do you think they see us as weak? I think they see us as suckers. Yeah.
01:02:55.000You know, as big, you know, I had to prosecute one guy literally had like receding hairline, almost white hair.
01:03:02.000And he'd come into the dock and he was from Kuwait. I was like, why the hell is someone from Kuwait as a refugee?
01:03:08.000It's such a rich country. But anyway, no war there. And he would be charged with robbery, burglary in the house.
01:03:14.000Guess what? He said he's 16 years old. Right. So he was treated as not an adult.
01:03:22.000And when you're not an adult, you can't be remanded in custody for a crime.
01:03:25.000So he'd commit crimes on a government. And the public prosecutor would stand up and go, he's a child.
01:03:31.000And you could almost see him laughing. You could almost see him calling his mates in Kuwait going, mate, man, I come here.
01:03:37.000I've got a free house. I rob houses. And they're arguing for hours over whether I'm 16 or not.
01:03:43.000You know, it's farcical. And the public prosecutor would stand up and say, he cannot be remanded in custody.
01:03:48.000He's underage. And then the judge would be like, well, we're going to have to assign a publicly paid age assessor.
01:03:55.000God knows what that entails. That's how ridiculous it is.
01:04:00.000And for your viewers, I was in court once and a woman turns up in a burqa in the dock.
01:04:05.000And I'm like, I make an application to the judge. I'm like, judge, could you please remove her burqa?
01:04:09.000I have no idea who this person is. And the judge says, no, these are religious sensitivities, Madame Prosecutor.
01:04:15.000We cannot allow her to remove her burqa. And at that moment, I realized we're not equal under the law, actually.
01:04:21.000You cannot go to court with a hat. Right. This person, I don't even know if it was a lady, sounded like one,
01:04:27.000had her complete face covered and I had to conduct a hearing with it.
01:04:32.000As I said, we have cowards running the whole system who are too cowardly to stand up for us and stand up for our country.
01:04:40.000And I think you have seen it in other parts of Europe as well.
01:04:43.000But I think people are recognizing they don't want to be run by cowards anymore.
01:04:48.000They, yeah. And when we're not being run by cowards, what will our immigration
01:04:53.000and also domestic policy in this area look like to address these challenges that we now face?
01:04:58.000So I think there will be, so for instance, for, there will be no, if you're a foreigner, you can't access benefits.
01:05:05.000Tick. You'll get a lot rid of a lot of illegal immigration.
01:05:08.000A massive, massive amount. And a lot of legal immigration as well.
01:05:12.000That's not contributing. Yeah, of course.
01:05:14.000So big tick. Congratulations. Great policy.
01:05:16.000Also, we will not rely on foreign cheap labor because what happens when you rely on foreign cheap labor?
01:05:19.000They come, oh yeah, they're working, but it's so, their salary is so low.
01:06:47.000And I think once we have a thriving economy, we only, 60%, so I speak to farmers.
01:06:53.000We speak about the inheritance tax for farmers, but there are also tenant farmers who have been told to stop growing food and start growing trees because the landlord gets more money for it.
01:07:06.000And so we only have, we only realize 60% of our food is homegrown, 40% is not.
01:07:38.000Even my kids who are taking computer science, let's say in A-levels or GCSE, they're like, mum, it's so bad because those that teach it are not the best, obviously, because otherwise they'd be working in a high-tech job.
01:07:48.000So we're not even teaching the kids the jobs of the future at all.
01:07:52.000My kids, I still get called because my kids' handwriting is bad.
01:07:55.000You know, I'm like, don't tell me about his handwriting.
01:07:57.000I want to know how quick his touch typing is.
01:07:59.000You know, I want to see touch typing competitions, hackathons all across schools.
01:08:41.000I want to see those nine million people that cannot go to work back into work one way or another.
01:08:49.000I think also a real significant challenge, not the main challenge, but it's a challenge that we see in our society politically, is the rise of sectarian politics.
01:09:40.000He's not even fired, the head of the police.
01:09:43.000I think we should talk about it very briefly.
01:09:45.000And you should tell people because there's people in America who are really interested in this.
01:09:49.000And I don't think it's got enough coverage, if I'm being honest.
01:09:52.000No, I mean, so what happened is, was that the police cancelled Makabe Tel Aviv fans coming to a football match because they said that there'll be, you know, there'll be fights, there'll be riots, there'll be protests.
01:10:04.000And they basically, the message they sent to Jewish people was, if you're in danger, we're going to ban you.
01:10:11.000We're not going to stop the danger that presents to you.
01:10:14.000And that is a horrible message for Jewish people.
01:10:17.000And the head of the police actually presented false evidence, lied about something that happened in Amsterdam, and he admitted it.
01:10:25.000What would your viewers think should happen then?
01:11:12.000What is the head of the mosque doing appointing the head of the police?
01:11:16.000And then you think, well, hang on, there obviously was a police cover up of the grooming gangs if they're so interlinked with communities that also covered up the grooming gangs, that their job relies on it.
01:11:29.000And sometimes you think about it, you think it's so big and it's so entrenched.
01:11:57.000Yet I read victims' testimonials, one from Oxford, saying that she was driven to London.
01:12:02.000There were hundreds of men and she was never asked about them.
01:12:07.000Another woman and another girl said she was bundled up in the boot of a car, driven to London from, I think, the Midlands, driven to a house because her abuser owed people in London.
01:15:41.000You know, we're all put into our own little demographic box and we're all meant to pick against each other for certain rights, certain privileges,