TRIGGERnometry - We Went To America... What The Media Didn’t Tell You

00:00:00.000 so francis it's been three weeks in the usa we were here before the election during the election

00:00:15.940 after the election a week in new york a week in austin texas a week here in los angeles and

00:00:21.860 we're wrapping up what have you made of it do you know i actually made this point to someone this

00:00:28.440 morning uh which was it has gone incredibly quickly and at the same time i can't remember my old life

00:00:35.040 so it's been those two things and what did the homeless man say back well we had a very

00:00:40.920 interesting incident with a homeless anyway we did actually i don't know if you can see so we've got

00:00:45.540 obviously a swimming pool in the area there yeah a couple of nights ago subscribe yeah subscribe we

00:00:51.840 need the money to be able to afford this yeah so a couple of nights ago yeah uh two men were having

00:00:57.460 a fight outside uh one of them won and after having won the fight he jumped over the fence

00:01:03.760 and went to the back and thankfully we had one of our producers hear that and come and chase him out

00:01:10.280 exactly obviously we don't do that because we're the talent yeah as in we're not replaceable

00:01:14.880 anyway so what have i made of it is a good question uh it's it was very intense leading up to it yeah

00:01:23.540 everybody seemed to be on edge everybody i talked to it didn't matter if they were a podcaster or if

00:01:28.500 they were just you know a regular person everybody was very tense and actually what i found very

00:01:34.340 interesting is the general general atmosphere of relief now that trump has been elected it's a kind of

00:01:41.560 letting out all the tension so what i'm seeing is people being far more relaxed than they were

00:01:47.680 pre-election yeah well one of the things when so before we came to la we we arrived in la the night

00:01:54.780 before the election a lot of people in austin texas were like oh yeah so you're going to la for the

00:02:00.400 riots then expecting that if trump won there would be some sort of civil unrest and all the rest of it

00:02:06.300 and we haven't seen any of that and i think the reason for that is that a lot of people realized

00:02:12.200 harris was just a terrible candidate uh including people on the left a lot of people who voted for

00:02:18.060 her didn't think she was a great candidate they voted for her out of loyalty to the party

00:02:22.740 um and because they hate trump and because they hate trump yeah uh so coming back to the beginning

00:02:28.740 of our trip though at the beginning we were in new york we great we did some incredible interviews a

00:02:33.520 lot of which still haven't come out because uh you know they're a little bit more evergreen

00:02:38.000 but we we obviously we interviewed bill ackman before the election yeah he was one of the big

00:02:42.980 uh you know big finance business people who came out for trump yeah alongside lots of tech

00:02:52.240 oligarchs here in in california uh we interviewed michael moynihan uh before the election but we also

00:02:59.400 did those are out but we also did some incredible interviews batjong sargon nick freitas um a couple of

00:03:06.500 others that may have gone out by the time this has gone out about israel and palestine um that was

00:03:12.680 incredible as well yeah we what was really interesting with that is when we're talking to

00:03:18.600 people like batjong or talking to people like michael moynihan who you could tell they were on the left

00:03:24.520 you've got a sense that the left no longer represents vast swathes of people so batjongar

00:03:31.160 sargon who you would think would be a traditional stalwart of the left what she talks about a traditional

00:03:36.200 left-wing talking points the rights of working class people the dangers of globalization mass

00:03:42.440 immigration etc etc well she's far right now well she's exactly she's far right and what they've all

00:03:48.900 these people that's just going to get clipped yeah yeah and i'm going to get an irate message why did

00:03:53.260 you call me far right and i went because you are welcome um but what you now see is and you saw it

00:03:59.200 with the trump rally that we went to in which your president called us garbage he's not no he's still

00:04:06.840 president he's still president he's my president not camilla anyway uh is that uh the what the right

00:04:13.660 have got now is this broad coalition of people that you wouldn't normally see in republican parties

00:04:19.460 of old you've got um i was going to say maya tusi not maya tusi that would have been a turn up for the

00:04:24.020 book uh you tulsi gabbard you saw uh elon musk rfk jr who did a speech so that was really interesting

00:04:32.460 and for me i think that was a real eye-opening moment for both of us for me actually it wasn't

00:04:38.740 so much that because that's something we could have seen without going to the trump rally for me the

00:04:42.680 eye-opening thing was and i've said this in a couple of episodes that we recorded the real eye-opening

00:04:49.720 moment for me was i think that like many many people especially those that don't live in america

00:04:54.940 you and i are fortunate we get to come here regularly and travel and meet people and so on but

00:04:59.800 for most of us who don't live in the u.s and actually for a lot of people who perhaps don't get to travel

00:05:05.740 around america even if they do live in the u.s if you live on the coast if you live in california or

00:05:11.160 new york or in dc the sense was for many many people i think that the media are not honest

00:05:21.020 but they're also not exactly lying outright the sense was the media are hyperbolic

00:05:28.600 they exaggerate they embellish they you know extend something beyond its remit so when they say

00:05:38.300 that donald trump is a fascist well he's not a fascist but he's an authoritarian is what a lot

00:05:44.200 of people would think oh he's not this but he's that right and when we went to that trump rally and

00:05:49.260 we saw with our own eyes the the day that we went there were hundreds of newspaper articles and hundreds

00:05:57.540 of mouthpieces in the legacy media saying this is a nazi rally people like aoc lots of politicians on

00:06:06.400 the left lots of media i know you like her i could just see your eyes glazed yeah yeah she's wonderful

00:06:12.260 all of these people were saying this is an anti rally and trump is hitler and then we went there

00:06:18.600 and we stood in line for three hours it was people of every background it was new york so there were

00:06:25.860 lots of jews there when we get inside there's israeli flags everywhere and every time anyone talked

00:06:32.400 about israel it got a big cheer and lots of applause and i just went ah they're not exaggerating they're

00:06:41.800 not embellishing they're not being hyperbolic they're just lying they're lying they are using

00:06:49.340 these terms that have a very specific and important meaning and they are just abusing them in order to try

00:06:56.480 and win and you know i remember when we had tulsi on the show and i think the title of the episodes

00:07:03.280 was the democratic elites just want power or something like that and i remember listening

00:07:08.860 to tulsi thinking oh you're exaggerating you know you're moving in the republican direction now of

00:07:14.260 course you're going to say something like this but she was right she was right they they had a

00:07:20.460 candidate who was not elected who didn't go through a primary process to replace a candidate who

00:07:26.640 clearly just was not capable of being president or running for the presidency or having a job let's be

00:07:33.560 honest or having a job let's be honest and they thrust that on the people of this country and said to

00:07:40.400 them you have to vote for this yeah and one of the things that actually told me that indicated to both

00:07:47.480 of us how much of a busted flush a democrat party are is that when we were walking into the trump rally

00:07:54.040 i looked around and there was a group of protesters and it barely was in the double digit figures of the

00:07:59.860 number of protests so this sense of outrage this sense of this is you know this is disgusting

00:08:06.120 i don't think people really believe that anymore a lot of people and i also don't think that they

00:08:12.180 have the energy for it anymore and i think a lot of people like you said just look to

00:08:16.800 kamala harris and went i mean okay that's what everybody on the left seemed to think there was

00:08:24.620 nobody who actually looked at her and went this is a good candidate there was nobody who was infused

00:08:30.900 by kamala harris there was there was no one and that was borne out by the election results where you

00:08:37.420 looked across at the country i mean who why would you vote for her well i think uh as we're recording

00:08:45.560 this is this is true at least she did worse trump improved his position in every single county in

00:08:51.580 america apparently i can't remember the stat she has she didn't win one county that was on off her own

00:08:59.420 back whatever the point is he won the popular vote yeah he won the electoral college by a landslide

00:09:07.060 he won the house he won the senate and the republicans even though the supreme court is obviously

00:09:12.260 independent you know the republican presidential appointees to the supreme court are already

00:09:18.900 prevalent and over the next four years if it's four years if it's not more and we'll talk about that

00:09:24.420 will continue to dominate the supreme court for a long time so the right the center right now has

00:09:30.780 an absolute lock on power in this country um and not only that it's not the the thing that's very

00:09:38.140 interesting about the trump administration that's incoming is it's not if you think about the

00:09:44.660 prominent people in it none of them are politicians yeah no sorry that's not true i mean tulsi is a

00:09:52.020 politician and rfk are politicians but some of the key figures is what i guess i'm getting they're not

00:09:57.940 politicians hulk hogan tony hinchcliffe yeah not that he's going to be in the administration

00:10:04.820 um but you know trump himself and elon musk they're the two really really big forces within

00:10:11.680 that right they're business guys and what that means is having the mandate that they have now they

00:10:20.240 have an opportunity to really change the course not just of american history but i think of world

00:10:26.120 history and this could be it's not necessarily going to be because governing and talking are very

00:10:32.620 different things but they have the opportunity to fundamentally change the course of western

00:10:36.920 civilization to reorientate it back towards its founding principles freedom of expression freedom

00:10:43.560 of the individual growth capitalism business success that's the opportunity here and it just feels like

00:10:52.740 almost every western country in in in recent history has become um it's kind of become it's like

00:11:01.040 there's some kind of octopus of bureaucracy that's sort of like hanging over all of it and constraining

00:11:06.140 any freedom of movement and freedom of innovation um and it feels to me like they have a historic

00:11:11.980 opportunity to just get rid of all these people who like at twitter when elon came in and fired 80%

00:11:18.800 of the people who were just clearly leeching off the system i think we'll probably find if they're

00:11:24.700 successful that there's a hell of a lot of people in what we in the uk call the civil service

00:11:30.840 who are actually not remotely necessary and who have been the handbrake on the american car

00:11:37.660 yeah i look i think those are all very interesting points you know what i notice more than anything

00:11:45.460 is that the republicans were the party of positivity we can make a change we're going to make america great

00:11:51.780 again this is going to be an incredible country we're going to prioritize business growth innovation

00:11:57.280 you look at the democrats and they're like oh you know we're going to you know stay woke

00:12:02.500 it's just like joy joy you're just listening to them going i just want to kill myself they're so

00:12:11.060 miserable you know it's just going there's no positivity there there's no energy there's no

00:12:17.500 ideas what what did she say vote for me because i'm not him yeah that was basically the argument

00:12:23.840 don't vote for me because i'm not him and you go is that enough and then she called him a fascist

00:12:29.360 classic then biden came out and went these people are all garbage i'm like that's a way to win votes

00:12:35.480 isn't it mate yeah well and they've doubled down on that since but i think actually one of the

00:12:39.860 most interesting points that i think we talked about this with joe when we were on his show

00:12:44.020 was that i still remember this line when trump was talking about this report about what would

00:12:51.980 happen if china and america went to war and he said they did this report which said that america

00:12:58.180 would lose and he was like first of all why would you release that report and and then he paused

00:13:02.680 and went and secondly it's not true we'd kick their ass yeah and the whole madison square garden just

00:13:08.880 erupted and that to me i think is actually where the majority of americans are this is one of the big

00:13:15.880 differences between people in europe and people in america americans are unashamedly you know

00:13:21.340 pro-strength and pro-success and pro-wanting to kick ass that that's just how they think you know

00:13:28.180 and it to a lot of europeans and brits it seems crude and you know you know matt too macho and

00:13:33.880 whatever but i have to say it's refreshing it's refreshing to be in a country that hasn't given up

00:13:39.920 on itself absolutely and you know they talk about managed decline which is what a lot of people do

00:13:45.960 in the uk and europe and some of the elites over in this country and you go is this meant to inspire

00:13:52.620 me is this meant to make me want to go out and work hard and change my life and people go look

00:13:59.820 politicians don't matter but politicians do matter of course they do and if they're sending a message

00:14:05.280 of well everything's going to slowly collapse you go you're thinking to yourself so why should i bother

00:14:10.320 right why should i work hard but then you've got trump whatever you think of him going we're going to do

00:14:15.140 this we're going to do that that's an inspiring message that's what we want from a leader we want

00:14:21.360 leaders to be inspiring and if they're not inspiring they're not leading and that doesn't mean that you

00:14:27.520 can't have quite difficult conversations with people and say look we're going to need to make

00:14:33.140 cutbacks here there's going to be problems with this and whatever else but you've got to want to

00:14:37.960 follow this guy do you want to follow kamala harris i wouldn't follow into a fucking coffee shop

00:14:43.560 so to me there was never any choice and that is the fault of the left but they've learned their

00:14:51.380 lessons because white latinos are now white supremacists and we've we've joined white people

00:14:56.320 so both of me is now white supremacists which i'm delighted congratulations man thank you finally

00:15:00.880 reached your destination i yeah yeah i love hitler

00:15:03.320 speaking of which one of the things i think is important to address is you know you and i have

00:15:11.860 always said i think quite truthfully that we are in the middle in the center we're independent i think

00:15:17.680 in this country in particular we would be considered sort of probably center left still but i think it's

00:15:23.220 fair to say that when we saw the election results we were neither surprised nor frankly you know i i don't

00:15:30.240 even know how to say i was relieved yeah i was relieved and it's not because i'm on the trump

00:15:37.020 train but it's on the one hand on the other hand if you offer me a choice of two things which is what

00:15:45.960 an election is then ultimately that's what you're presented with and i just i thought without question

00:15:52.760 one of those two things was better than the other and i was actually surprised by the extent to which i

00:15:58.080 felt relief yeah the the problem was is there wasn't a choice yeah there wasn't a choice you i

00:16:07.540 couldn't name you a single democrat policy and i followed this election pretty carefully when i was

00:16:12.960 preparing to come over here i was reading what i know what trump wants forgivable loans for black men

00:16:18.180 oh yeah to start marijuana businesses that's the one i remember yeah i mean it sounds like a hack

00:16:26.320 joke from an open mic comedian fuck off mate but it's but you just go is that it and the moment it

00:16:34.720 was all of this identity politics bollocks and you're going it's not 2017 anymore those days are gone

00:16:42.420 it's over but they haven't got the remit it's like she was quoted i saw a clip of her going stay woke or

00:16:48.820 whatever it was and you're going you've lost you've lost white blue-collar men you've lost

00:16:54.320 ordinary regular white men you've lost vast swathes of the latino vote just with saying that because

00:17:01.080 they're going to hit el socialismo and you're going to hit vast swathes of everybody else and that's

00:17:08.100 that's i think a large part of the reason why black men a large swath of black men just refused just went

00:17:14.880 to vote for trump well look you know the democrats are still going to get the majority of those votes but i think

00:17:20.020 a lot of the things that we talk about obviously on the show have been important but another thing that was

00:17:24.360 very important is the economy and one of the things that i think people who don't spend time here don't

00:17:31.640 understand is inflation figures are not the same as people's experience of reality they hit different people

00:17:39.720 differently we are here in la we went you go to a coffee shop you buy four lattes for us and our team

00:17:46.700 it's 25 i know but the good thing is is that they're going to pay it back aren't you boys

00:17:52.440 we mean not a chance anyway my point is that things became very very expensive for people and i think for

00:18:01.060 a lot of people it just it was an economic thing and they know from previous experience that their life

00:18:07.300 was easier and better under trump

00:18:09.720 and i think they were willing to give him a chance for that reason as well

00:18:12.700 yeah i think there were a lot of people who just looked at the options

00:18:15.940 if they're if we're honest didn't like trump but just went

00:18:20.020 i have no choice well look mate the election's over

00:18:23.980 yeah and the good thing is

00:18:25.620 yes the left has realized all their mistakes

00:18:27.840 yes and they're now rapidly adjusting uh to the new reality and are working on

00:18:33.280 progressive solutions for the future that are going to be appealing to the american public

00:18:38.020 absolutely everyone's a fascist now

00:18:40.000 yeah

00:18:40.280 what i don't

00:18:43.080 i still see like people on cnn just like

00:18:46.160 correcting each other about whether you're allowed to you

00:18:49.400 to call a trans girl a boy and all this other shit

00:18:52.440 and just going

00:18:52.820 no one gives a shit

00:18:54.960 no one gives a shit about any of this stuff

00:18:57.320 you lost

00:18:57.900 you lost because of shit like this

00:18:59.540 yeah and it's it's again that thing of having these 2017 arguments

00:19:04.680 you can't talk about what is the correct thing to call a gender fluid transracial dwarf

00:19:13.060 when people can't afford to buy butter

00:19:15.880 because they're going

00:19:17.960 i don't care

00:19:19.440 there's eight of them

00:19:20.900 and i'm never going to meet one

00:19:23.160 but i'm going to need to make toast for my kid tomorrow

00:19:26.320 so i don't care what you call gabriel or gabriel

00:19:30.360 it doesn't matter to me

00:19:31.760 you had to say gabriel didn't you

00:19:33.080 yeah i did

00:19:33.740 that's just my accent

00:19:35.280 gabriel

00:19:36.560 gabriel

00:19:37.460 but it's true

00:19:38.640 transgrill

00:19:39.300 transgrill

00:19:40.220 look whatever you want to call yourself

00:19:41.940 none of us care

00:19:43.180 yeah

00:19:43.680 we just want

00:19:44.920 life

00:19:46.260 to be affordable

00:19:47.740 and you can't blame people for that

00:19:50.840 yeah and also i just think a lot of people in a country like the united states

00:19:54.520 which is a melting pot

00:19:55.560 which is a country that is incredibly ethnically mixed

00:19:58.660 people instinctively know that focusing on individual groups and having different messages

00:20:06.280 you know we're going to say to this to the black people and this to the latinx people

00:20:10.220 and this to the that

00:20:11.060 i just don't think that really matches what america has striven for through the ages

00:20:17.480 america obviously as we all know has a complicated history with

00:20:21.180 racism and slavery and all of these things

00:20:24.060 but the point i think of america is that a lot of people here are very sensitive about that stuff

00:20:29.380 but the solution to all of that in their minds is to move forward together

00:20:33.600 yeah

00:20:33.920 and i think they just got very very tired of being divided

00:20:36.880 and we saw that at the trump rally that we went to

00:20:39.380 it was incredibly diverse

00:20:41.180 in terms of lots of black people

00:20:43.440 lots of jewish people

00:20:44.580 lots of women

00:20:45.320 lots of people from latinos

00:20:47.000 you know different groups

00:20:49.560 all represented

00:20:50.600 because a lot of them were just tired of this division i think

00:20:54.120 you know what identity politics did

00:20:57.560 and i don't think we talk about it enough

00:21:00.280 it made everyone political

00:21:02.700 and most people aren't political

00:21:05.140 and you know what

00:21:05.940 that's a wonderful thing

00:21:07.620 most people aren't that engaged with politics

00:21:10.760 they just want to be left to get on with their lives

00:21:13.220 make a few bucks

00:21:14.800 have a nice house

00:21:16.160 or a decent fat house

00:21:17.840 where they can have a family

00:21:18.900 and they can live a good life

00:21:21.120 and this crap was injected into every aspect of our lives

00:21:26.200 from the emails we received

00:21:27.640 to the meetings we attended

00:21:29.460 to the jobs that we applied for

00:21:31.340 and all of a sudden we were thinking

00:21:33.180 oh but how do i frame this in this way

00:21:35.700 oh and as a white man

00:21:37.180 oh and as a black woman

00:21:38.380 and it's all of this stuff

00:21:39.920 that was pumped into our brain

00:21:41.340 and we were thinking

00:21:42.120 i don't have the capacity to think about it

00:21:46.180 i don't want to think about it

00:21:47.740 i just want to live a normal life

00:21:50.740 and that was taken from us

00:21:52.280 and i think that's a lot of the reason

00:21:54.540 why people voted for trump

00:21:56.100 is because they see him as a berserker

00:21:58.540 who's going to go in

00:21:59.880 and just attack all of this nonsense

00:22:02.300 and let people live a life

00:22:04.700 that will be non-political

00:22:06.780 well the interesting thing on that is

00:22:09.120 the big question really is

00:22:11.320 because there's a big difference

00:22:12.700 as someone said to us the other day

00:22:15.440 between relief and happiness

00:22:18.100 dennis prager

00:22:18.860 yeah

00:22:19.100 we talked about this off air

00:22:20.760 and he said i was relieved

00:22:21.900 i don't know if i was happy

00:22:22.940 and that's why i think it's the right framing

00:22:25.560 because the truth is

00:22:26.440 we do not know how this trump administration

00:22:28.940 is going to perform

00:22:29.940 nobody does

00:22:30.920 yeah

00:22:31.200 um

00:22:31.880 the one thing we do know

00:22:33.620 is that we talked about it earlier

00:22:35.620 he's got a giant mandate

00:22:37.060 having won a landslide

00:22:38.580 and more importantly in some ways

00:22:41.100 if you remember the period between 2016

00:22:43.620 and 2020

00:22:45.240 it was defined

00:22:47.740 i think

00:22:48.920 most clearly

00:22:50.820 by

00:22:51.440 the media

00:22:53.180 endless

00:22:55.480 outrage

00:22:56.520 about trump

00:22:57.300 so what they did is

00:22:58.880 they would get outraged

00:23:00.340 about anything he did

00:23:01.440 and then they would say

00:23:03.200 look at how divisive he is

00:23:04.980 when they were the ones

00:23:06.080 that whipped up the hay

00:23:07.000 and a lot of people in that time

00:23:09.560 listened to the

00:23:10.320 to the legacy media

00:23:11.320 but what i think this election shows

00:23:14.360 is that that is no longer the case

00:23:16.740 i don't think they hold

00:23:18.040 the monopoly over the

00:23:19.280 the dissemination of information

00:23:21.240 anymore

00:23:21.820 if you look at

00:23:23.040 the media that

00:23:24.800 both candidates did

00:23:26.080 actually you know

00:23:26.880 harris was

00:23:27.520 was more reluctant

00:23:28.780 but she still did

00:23:29.500 a bunch of podcasts

00:23:30.500 trump

00:23:31.300 he went on joe's show

00:23:33.320 he went on theo's show

00:23:34.260 he went on lexus show

00:23:35.460 right

00:23:36.060 he went on andrew's

00:23:37.740 andrew schultz's show

00:23:38.700 um

00:23:39.740 the media no longer

00:23:41.600 has a stranglehold

00:23:42.520 on this

00:23:43.060 and so not only

00:23:44.420 does donald trump

00:23:45.140 have a landslide victory

00:23:46.460 in the political realm

00:23:48.040 i think the media environment

00:23:49.680 is completely different

00:23:50.500 and i think all the lies

00:23:51.880 that they told about

00:23:52.740 donald trump

00:23:53.380 you know the fine people hoax

00:23:54.880 which was

00:23:55.260 which is completely false

00:23:56.960 or during the election

00:23:58.480 when they claimed that he

00:23:59.740 he wanted to kill

00:24:00.860 liz cheney

00:24:01.820 when he was simply

00:24:02.520 using a metaphor

00:24:03.200 i just don't think

00:24:04.580 these lies are going to

00:24:05.600 wash anymore

00:24:06.140 in anything like the same way

00:24:07.380 which means that

00:24:08.840 he has an opportunity

00:24:09.760 to govern

00:24:10.520 without being distracted

00:24:12.700 by all this nonsense

00:24:13.640 and that means

00:24:15.720 he has

00:24:16.180 i think

00:24:16.680 a unique opportunity

00:24:17.820 to simply

00:24:19.260 do the thing

00:24:20.480 that the american people

00:24:21.660 hired him to do

00:24:22.480 which means

00:24:23.520 and illegal immigration

00:24:24.900 you know

00:24:25.920 i you know

00:24:26.600 in our conversation

00:24:27.380 with rob schneider

00:24:27.980 i think he made

00:24:28.460 a very good point

00:24:29.120 that i think

00:24:30.180 trump talking about

00:24:31.560 mass deportations

00:24:32.940 isn't really

00:24:35.080 going to be

00:24:35.880 what it sounds like

00:24:37.040 i think he's just

00:24:37.800 going to deport

00:24:38.320 all the people

00:24:38.840 who are here

00:24:39.420 who are criminals

00:24:40.660 or

00:24:41.500 but i i don't see him

00:24:43.200 you know

00:24:43.520 i hope

00:24:44.240 you know

00:24:45.140 dragging grandmothers

00:24:46.260 who've been here

00:24:46.940 for 50 years

00:24:47.940 and you know

00:24:49.640 chasing them

00:24:50.380 out of the country

00:24:50.960 and stuff like that

00:24:51.740 i think

00:24:52.420 he will end

00:24:53.200 illegal immigration

00:24:54.040 that's the most

00:24:54.660 important thing

00:24:55.320 if you can deliver

00:24:57.160 on the economy

00:24:57.780 that's obviously huge

00:24:58.940 you know

00:25:00.980 israel and ukraine

00:25:01.900 if you can wrap

00:25:02.560 those two conflicts

00:25:03.440 up in a way

00:25:04.040 that's actually

00:25:04.660 going to deliver

00:25:05.840 long-term security

00:25:06.760 for ukraine

00:25:07.440 and long-term peace

00:25:09.180 in the middle east

00:25:09.800 that would be

00:25:10.940 incredible too

00:25:11.980 and then

00:25:13.900 you know

00:25:14.240 domestically

00:25:14.840 there's the

00:25:15.700 the end to censorship

00:25:17.000 the end to lawfare

00:25:19.020 all of these things

00:25:19.820 if you can deliver

00:25:20.440 on that

00:25:20.940 and just ignore

00:25:22.260 the media

00:25:22.760 just ignore

00:25:23.700 the media

00:25:24.260 who

00:25:24.620 they never

00:25:25.740 they never liked him

00:25:26.880 in the first place

00:25:27.600 like why would you

00:25:28.420 listen to people

00:25:29.200 i disagree with that

00:25:30.300 they used to like him

00:25:31.360 yeah before he ran

00:25:32.540 for president

00:25:32.920 yeah

00:25:33.140 yeah

00:25:33.480 and they were all

00:25:34.260 his best friends

00:25:34.940 yeah

00:25:35.160 but once he decided

00:25:36.900 he became a nazi

00:25:38.060 the moment he walked out

00:25:39.220 he went down that escalator

00:25:40.480 that's when he became a nazi

00:25:41.640 prior to that

00:25:42.280 he was this great big

00:25:43.460 successful business guy

00:25:44.460 then he became a nazi

00:25:46.020 well now

00:25:47.120 all these people

00:25:48.380 who just

00:25:48.840 they were never

00:25:49.520 fair

00:25:50.240 they were never

00:25:50.820 interested in the truth

00:25:51.820 they were never

00:25:52.280 interested in covering him

00:25:53.420 in a balanced way

00:25:54.180 from what i can tell

00:25:56.500 he doesn't have to

00:25:57.420 listen to them anymore

00:25:58.180 so

00:25:59.020 you've got a clear mandate

00:26:00.620 you've got a clear

00:26:01.280 policy agenda

00:26:02.060 and you don't have to

00:26:03.360 worry about the media

00:26:04.200 this is a gigantic

00:26:05.700 opportunity

00:26:06.380 and if he can take it

00:26:08.440 then

00:26:08.960 play the movie forward

00:26:10.360 four years from now

00:26:11.760 it's jd vance

00:26:13.680 or talsio

00:26:14.760 whoever is going

00:26:15.480 to be his

00:26:15.860 or vivek

00:26:16.680 whoever is his

00:26:17.480 replacement

00:26:17.840 we don't even know

00:26:18.580 who that might be

00:26:19.320 why

00:26:21.480 if that

00:26:22.300 all those points

00:26:23.300 have been delivered

00:26:23.860 the economy is booming

00:26:24.840 the wars have been ended

00:26:25.800 right

00:26:27.280 why would

00:26:29.520 anyone

00:26:30.120 vote for the

00:26:32.020 democratic

00:26:32.540 president

00:26:33.760 who didn't vote

00:26:34.640 for carmelo

00:26:35.120 this time

00:26:35.600 why would

00:26:36.460 anyone

00:26:36.800 change their

00:26:37.400 vote

00:26:37.680 from trump

00:26:38.360 to

00:26:38.660 or from

00:26:39.340 the republicans

00:26:40.080 to the democrats

00:26:40.720 at the next election

00:26:41.520 if he can just

00:26:42.900 govern

00:26:43.200 and simply

00:26:43.900 deliver

00:26:44.320 the republicans

00:26:45.840 have an opportunity

00:26:46.540 to lock this

00:26:47.320 country's

00:26:47.880 political system

00:26:48.760 down

00:26:49.100 for a generation

00:26:50.060 i quite agree

00:26:51.500 with you

00:26:51.900 i think

00:26:52.620 the democrat

00:26:53.740 party needs to

00:26:54.460 take a long

00:26:54.960 hard look

00:26:55.520 at itself

00:26:56.040 and be honest

00:26:57.480 my best joke

00:27:01.160 that is your

00:27:02.020 best joke

00:27:02.560 yeah

00:27:02.900 i'm gonna do

00:27:03.520 that at the

00:27:03.860 comedy store

00:27:04.360 tonight

00:27:04.780 actually

00:27:06.640 they'd probably

00:27:07.160 agree with it

00:27:07.760 give it a little

00:27:08.300 clap

00:27:08.700 anyway

00:27:09.760 but yeah

00:27:10.340 look

00:27:10.720 the democrat

00:27:11.780 party needs to

00:27:12.400 take a long

00:27:12.700 hard look

00:27:13.060 at themselves

00:27:13.360 and they need

00:27:14.000 to be honest

00:27:14.660 i don't think

00:27:16.920 they're gonna do

00:27:17.360 that realistically

00:27:18.400 well they're not

00:27:18.880 doing it now

00:27:19.560 they're not doing

00:27:20.840 it now

00:27:21.160 no

00:27:21.440 but

00:27:22.580 you know

00:27:23.500 a week is a

00:27:24.440 long time in

00:27:24.940 politics as they

00:27:25.660 say

00:27:25.840 yeah

00:27:26.080 so we don't

00:27:26.840 know

00:27:27.100 the one

00:27:28.740 pushback i would

00:27:29.660 have to you

00:27:30.420 in that is

00:27:31.420 there are going

00:27:32.400 to be

00:27:32.860 shall we just

00:27:33.420 say mingy

00:27:34.140 elements in

00:27:34.720 the republican

00:27:35.240 party

00:27:35.840 who are going

00:27:36.660 to be like

00:27:37.080 oh but you've

00:27:37.880 got to think

00:27:38.260 about this

00:27:38.820 we're thinking

00:27:39.220 about a long

00:27:39.880 term strategy

00:27:40.740 so they might

00:27:42.620 try and kind

00:27:43.900 of

00:27:44.860 how shall i

00:27:46.500 put it

00:27:46.900 ameliorate

00:27:48.380 some of

00:27:49.020 trump's more

00:27:50.180 progressive

00:27:52.540 ideas shall we

00:27:53.540 say

00:27:53.760 i don't know

00:27:54.720 if that's going

00:27:55.160 to work or

00:27:55.620 not but there

00:27:56.000 are going to

00:27:56.320 be machinations

00:27:57.000 in the republican

00:27:57.720 part

00:27:58.060 i don't

00:27:58.500 on what

00:27:59.020 issues

00:27:59.420 uh so

00:28:00.720 what issues

00:28:01.600 it's a good

00:28:03.060 point actually

00:28:03.680 putting definitely

00:28:04.360 not immigration

00:28:05.120 um

00:28:06.520 maybe to do

00:28:09.240 with the

00:28:10.000 middle east

00:28:10.600 i don't know

00:28:11.520 i don't

00:28:11.920 i honestly

00:28:12.500 don't think

00:28:13.260 that's likely

00:28:13.800 mate just

00:28:14.200 simply because

00:28:14.920 he's just won

00:28:15.880 an overwhelming

00:28:16.420 victory the

00:28:17.440 republican party

00:28:18.340 is no longer

00:28:18.900 the republican

00:28:19.460 party

00:28:19.960 yeah

00:28:20.600 it's the

00:28:21.240 trump

00:28:21.480 party

00:28:21.960 and that's

00:28:23.420 actually very

00:28:24.120 interesting because

00:28:25.080 it's a populist

00:28:26.520 party

00:28:26.980 and even

00:28:29.020 you know

00:28:29.740 we were talking

00:28:30.760 to a lot of

00:28:31.300 people who were

00:28:31.740 like yeah

00:28:32.060 populism's dead

00:28:33.060 i think this

00:28:34.720 victory has

00:28:35.300 actually shown

00:28:36.160 the world that

00:28:36.780 populism is still

00:28:37.780 very much alive

00:28:38.640 and well

00:28:39.100 and it will

00:28:39.760 continue to be

00:28:40.540 alive and well

00:28:41.300 uh look

00:28:42.120 all the

00:28:42.820 populism is

00:28:43.840 is

00:28:44.460 normal people

00:28:46.540 who are

00:28:47.620 increasingly feeling

00:28:48.620 that there's a

00:28:49.200 giant separation

00:28:49.980 between them

00:28:50.640 and the people

00:28:51.240 who govern the

00:28:51.860 country

00:28:52.140 yeah

00:28:52.400 that's all

00:28:52.920 that populism

00:28:53.500 is

00:28:53.720 and as long

00:28:54.720 as that gap

00:28:55.340 remains

00:28:55.840 populism will

00:28:56.620 remain

00:28:56.940 yeah

00:28:57.260 so

00:28:57.860 donald trump

00:28:58.880 is the

00:28:59.880 the

00:29:00.480 the champion

00:29:02.260 of that cause

00:29:03.200 he he is the

00:29:04.500 one leading

00:29:05.140 that resistance

00:29:06.020 to to the

00:29:07.040 elite

00:29:07.460 um

00:29:08.660 disconnection

00:29:09.580 from ordinary

00:29:10.020 people

00:29:10.420 and you know

00:29:11.820 i hope that

00:29:12.800 this election

00:29:14.200 inspires

00:29:14.900 similar results

00:29:16.740 across the

00:29:17.560 western world

00:29:18.140 because we

00:29:19.220 have to

00:29:19.780 we cannot

00:29:21.600 continue to

00:29:22.460 be governed

00:29:22.940 by people

00:29:23.680 who do

00:29:25.020 not have

00:29:25.700 any connection

00:29:26.920 to the

00:29:27.720 needs of

00:29:28.160 the ordinary

00:29:28.580 person

00:29:29.420 who pursue

00:29:31.020 policies that

00:29:32.000 hurt ordinary

00:29:32.800 people and

00:29:33.860 they do so for

00:29:34.680 their own

00:29:35.020 ideological

00:29:35.600 reasons

00:29:36.260 um

00:29:37.420 we that's not

00:29:39.700 sustainable

00:29:40.240 uh because

00:29:41.500 like in this

00:29:43.000 country and we

00:29:43.500 know that in the

00:29:44.080 uk things have

00:29:45.000 gone really bad

00:29:45.880 we need

00:29:47.280 politicians

00:29:48.220 are not

00:29:50.380 openly

00:29:50.900 contemptuous

00:29:51.760 of the vast

00:29:52.860 majority of

00:29:53.540 people

00:29:53.780 and that's

00:29:54.740 what we see

00:29:55.380 with our

00:29:56.600 politicians in

00:29:57.340 the uk and

00:29:58.080 that's what we

00:29:58.520 see with

00:29:58.820 politicians here

00:29:59.740 calling people

00:30:00.820 fascist

00:30:01.380 referring to

00:30:02.060 people as

00:30:02.480 garbage

00:30:03.020 joking aside

00:30:04.140 that is a

00:30:04.540 disgusting

00:30:05.180 thing for a

00:30:06.460 president to

00:30:07.060 say about

00:30:08.420 the about

00:30:09.260 half of this

00:30:10.360 country

00:30:10.760 you look at

00:30:12.640 hillary

00:30:12.900 clinton the

00:30:13.460 deplorables

00:30:14.200 this needs to

00:30:15.500 end well at

00:30:16.000 least biden had

00:30:16.680 the excuse of

00:30:17.340 like not having

00:30:17.960 a brain

00:30:18.400 yeah right but

00:30:19.640 there are a lot

00:30:20.220 of people who

00:30:20.760 operate like

00:30:21.460 yeah and you

00:30:22.320 know and you

00:30:22.720 look at our

00:30:23.180 politicians you

00:30:23.880 look at what

00:30:24.300 david lammy said

00:30:25.180 about trump he

00:30:26.120 needs to be

00:30:26.680 fired he

00:30:27.520 he should resign

00:30:28.400 or be fired i

00:30:29.020 mean david

00:30:29.400 lammy for

00:30:29.840 people who

00:30:30.140 don't know he

00:30:30.560 is the foreign

00:30:31.120 secretary of the

00:30:32.080 united kingdom

00:30:32.680 and he did

00:30:33.940 like student

00:30:35.020 politics virtue

00:30:37.080 signaling about

00:30:37.880 donald trump

00:30:38.540 calling him the

00:30:39.600 kkk and

00:30:40.460 whatever and now

00:30:41.080 that trump's been

00:30:41.740 elected he's

00:30:42.280 like

00:30:42.420 congratulations to

00:30:43.760 president donald trump

00:30:44.800 we're we're looking

00:30:45.500 forward to working

00:30:46.160 together and if i

00:30:47.680 was donald trump i

00:30:49.960 would make him wait

00:30:50.800 in the reception

00:30:51.480 room for like two

00:30:52.260 days just to sit

00:30:53.180 there and think on

00:30:53.800 what he'd done

00:30:54.320 exactly it's the

00:30:57.100 height of

00:30:57.880 unprofessionalism i

00:30:59.160 would actually have

00:30:59.780 a printout of all

00:31:00.860 the comments he'd

00:31:01.500 made and just leave

00:31:02.280 it on the table as

00:31:03.120 he comes in for a

00:31:03.780 meeting that's what

00:31:04.880 i'd do it with the

00:31:07.300 fact that we have

00:31:08.260 these people in

00:31:09.280 charge of our

00:31:09.780 country is

00:31:10.260 embarrassing

00:31:10.860 of course it is

00:31:11.700 it's student

00:31:12.380 politics in the

00:31:13.560 real world it

00:31:14.360 doesn't work and

00:31:15.580 it comes back to

00:31:16.360 bite you in the

00:31:16.900 ass and america is

00:31:18.320 britain's biggest

00:31:19.440 ally this is the

00:31:21.100 most valuable

00:31:21.640 relationship

00:31:22.320 internationally that

00:31:23.140 britain has and

00:31:24.140 we've got these

00:31:24.620 clowns

00:31:26.040 absolute clowns

00:31:28.040 who are in charge

00:31:30.560 of that relationship

00:31:31.520 and donald trump by

00:31:32.980 the way

00:31:33.260 he is a very

00:31:35.160 pro-british

00:31:36.020 president

00:31:36.440 he loves the royal

00:31:37.800 family

00:31:38.080 more than biden by

00:31:39.000 the way

00:31:39.340 way more than

00:31:40.080 biden so

00:31:40.620 on all this stuff

00:31:42.420 i just i despair

00:31:44.100 at what we have in

00:31:44.980 the uk i really do

00:31:46.080 i think actually

00:31:48.220 starmer i mean

00:31:49.300 you know trump said

00:31:50.740 starmer's very left

00:31:51.640 wing which he is

00:31:52.700 right but i can see

00:31:54.460 starmer and trump

00:31:55.460 actually getting on

00:31:56.320 very well

00:31:56.720 starmer's a pragmatist

00:31:57.780 you can tell

00:31:58.400 yeah because he's

00:31:59.820 intelligent

00:32:00.260 yeah he's a smart

00:32:01.460 guy people in our

00:32:03.020 space are like he's

00:32:03.840 stupid i'm going he's

00:32:04.780 not stupid no he's

00:32:06.380 and i was talking to

00:32:07.540 a lawyer actually in

00:32:08.980 new york who knows

00:32:09.840 him actually ironically

00:32:11.260 enough in the queue

00:32:12.260 for the trump rally

00:32:13.160 and he used to work

00:32:14.320 very closely with

00:32:15.140 starmer and he

00:32:16.080 actually told me he

00:32:16.860 said he was an

00:32:17.380 incredible lawyer

00:32:18.240 very very very sharp

00:32:19.940 very sharp what he

00:32:21.560 said was also very

00:32:22.360 interesting he went i

00:32:23.060 don't think he's going

00:32:23.620 to be a good

00:32:24.000 politician i don't

00:32:24.940 think he's a good

00:32:25.300 politician i went why

00:32:26.280 he went he's too

00:32:27.120 ideological he was a

00:32:28.480 human rights lawyer

00:32:29.220 so but starmer is a

00:32:31.840 pragmatist he's an

00:32:32.640 intelligent man i look

00:32:34.660 at lammy and i just

00:32:35.740 think you there's no

00:32:37.380 reason for you to be

00:32:38.280 there no you've been

00:32:39.260 promoted above your

00:32:40.240 ability level and i i

00:32:43.120 don't understand how

00:32:44.900 somebody like that can

00:32:46.100 be can become foreign

00:32:47.300 secretary it's

00:32:48.300 embarrassing it is

00:32:49.240 embarrassing so that's

00:32:50.580 where we are but this

00:32:51.360 is i think the great

00:32:52.440 hope is that if donald

00:32:54.440 trump can demonstrate

00:32:55.380 that open borders is

00:32:57.680 not you know there's

00:32:59.420 this sort of feeling

00:33:00.100 like not having a

00:33:01.240 border is now the

00:33:02.220 default setting well if

00:33:03.580 you can demonstrate

00:33:04.180 that that's not

00:33:05.280 required that's not

00:33:06.040 the case there's a

00:33:07.240 lot of feeling around

00:33:08.220 the west that you know

00:33:09.020 no growth is the

00:33:10.020 default setting that

00:33:10.900 we're all supposed to

00:33:11.580 just bumble along the

00:33:12.660 bottom manage decline

00:33:13.460 manage decline right

00:33:14.600 if you can if you can

00:33:15.940 demonstrate that that's

00:33:16.740 no longer if you can

00:33:17.720 demonstrate that this

00:33:19.260 idea that the government

00:33:20.400 needs to crack down on

00:33:21.800 free speech as much as

00:33:22.960 possible otherwise people

00:33:24.080 are going to say

00:33:24.580 problematic things if you

00:33:26.340 can really reaffirm

00:33:27.600 americans america's

00:33:28.980 commitment to freedom of

00:33:30.180 expression in a way and

00:33:32.480 also by the way use

00:33:33.700 american global power

00:33:35.460 around the world to

00:33:36.240 stop europeans doing

00:33:37.340 the same thing to stop

00:33:38.620 europeans censoring x to

00:33:40.140 stop europeans censoring

00:33:41.300 facebook to stop

00:33:42.100 europeans censoring

00:33:43.000 instagram and all of that

00:33:44.780 stuff there's a real

00:33:47.800 possibility of that

00:33:50.020 becoming the beginning of

00:33:51.340 something where we elect

00:33:53.140 leaders in european

00:33:54.220 countries and in the uk

00:33:55.380 they're not going to be

00:33:56.480 like trump because

00:33:57.240 american culture is very

00:33:58.280 different but in terms of

00:34:00.280 policy positions people

00:34:01.900 who are willing to make

00:34:03.180 a stand on those issues

00:34:04.180 and a public that's

00:34:05.180 willing to back them

00:34:05.920 absolutely because if you

00:34:07.800 look at what is happening

00:34:08.680 in the uk and the rest of

00:34:10.200 europe we are horribly

00:34:11.660 divided we are horribly

00:34:13.320 divided unhappy economies

00:34:16.820 are faltering to put it

00:34:18.220 mildly there is low growth

00:34:20.320 people are struggling this

00:34:22.060 cannot continue as it is and

00:34:23.840 also we have the problem of

00:34:25.440 islamic fundamentalism i

00:34:28.600 don't see us anybody really

00:34:30.340 having an honest conversation

00:34:31.620 about that it all happens

00:34:33.400 is it's swept under the

00:34:34.500 carpet we put our fingers in

00:34:35.700 our ears and we say la la la

00:34:37.480 and then we move on to the

00:34:38.280 next thing there has to be a

00:34:42.900 time where we start having a

00:34:44.220 more honest conversation about

00:34:46.020 that issue and the economy and

00:34:48.160 everything else and just

00:34:49.620 telling people to shut up which

00:34:51.700 is what labor is doing whether

00:34:53.060 you're online or in the real

00:34:54.200 world i'm afraid you can only

00:34:56.180 do that for so long but you're

00:34:57.920 kicking the can down the road

00:34:59.040 and there is going to be a very

00:35:01.100 unpleasant reaction you know

00:35:03.200 one of the things i really love

00:35:04.580 about america is the fact that

00:35:07.120 you have competition within the

00:35:09.480 country and what i mean by that

00:35:10.860 is you know we're sitting here in

00:35:13.000 la a lot of people that we know

00:35:15.780 have left la and have gone to

00:35:18.000 other places and the reason

00:35:19.180 they've done it despite the fact

00:35:21.280 that la is literally paradise

00:35:23.000 except when people yeah

00:35:24.720 jump in break into your back

00:35:26.420 garden and and scare the shit

00:35:28.300 out of you yeah uh is it's

00:35:30.680 paradise it's absolutely

00:35:31.960 paradise the weather is

00:35:33.420 incredible the nature is

00:35:34.480 incredible the foods and

00:35:35.620 everything is amazing here but

00:35:37.720 during covid and around this

00:35:40.880 last eight or so years the

00:35:43.160 policies that the people who

00:35:44.460 run this state and the city have

00:35:46.260 pursued have made life a lot

00:35:48.400 more unpleasant for the people who

00:35:49.740 are here yeah and what did

00:35:51.360 people do they move to other

00:35:52.680 places now the reason i mention

00:35:55.860 this in this context is the big

00:35:58.220 debate in the last century has

00:36:00.180 been between the people who lean

00:36:02.880 towards capitalism and the people

00:36:04.380 who lean towards communism and i i'm

00:36:07.520 not saying starmer is a communist or

00:36:09.160 anything of the kind i'm just

00:36:10.260 saying these are two different

00:36:11.500 perspectives on the world yeah and

00:36:13.040 what communists care about or

00:36:15.240 socialists care about people on

00:36:16.580 that side of the left care about

00:36:17.780 is they fundamentally the the

00:36:19.860 primary objective is to make sure

00:36:22.340 that the pie is evenly divided

00:36:24.840 right that's not how americans

00:36:27.580 think americans think let's make

00:36:29.760 lots of pie and then i've seen their

00:36:32.760 portions mate you're all right well

00:36:34.060 right let's make lots and lots of

00:36:36.160 pie and let's make sure it's

00:36:37.660 divided according to contribution

00:36:39.960 right and if you contributed a lot

00:36:42.060 you get a big chunk of the pie and

00:36:43.460 if you didn't you get a smaller

00:36:44.500 chunk of the pie and they're less

00:36:45.920 worried about the equal

00:36:47.860 distribution of pie and they're much

00:36:49.800 more concerned with how do we make

00:36:51.980 sure that we're generating growth how

00:36:54.540 do we make sure that we're building

00:36:55.960 and creating things

00:36:57.000 and they're they do not have the same

00:37:01.120 lunacy that we do have in europe which

00:37:03.000 is this idea we call net zero which is

00:37:06.480 simply economic suicide it's unilateral

00:37:08.920 economic disarmament it's where we

00:37:11.520 destroy our economies by refusing to

00:37:14.920 produce cheap energy and then we

00:37:16.920 outsource that to other countries

00:37:18.680 where they make things that are dirtier

00:37:20.760 and then we ship them back and we

00:37:22.820 pretend that we're green right they

00:37:25.000 don't have this absurdity here one of

00:37:26.360 trump's primary policies is drill baby

00:37:28.440 drill it's producing energy well that is

00:37:32.320 an experiment of the kind that california

00:37:34.980 and texas and florida run so if we in

00:37:37.660 europe watch america over the next four

00:37:39.640 years explode in terms of economic

00:37:42.940 growth while we struggle and continue to

00:37:46.440 get poorer and poorer that contrast is

00:37:49.340 inevitably going to have an effect and a

00:37:51.700 lot of people are going to say well i'd

00:37:53.700 quite like some of what they're having

00:37:55.640 in america i'd quite like our economy to

00:37:57.800 be growing because most people don't know

00:37:59.300 this british economic position is our

00:38:03.220 gdp per capita which is what matters has

00:38:06.000 not even recovered from 2008 we're still

00:38:09.200 below that we have not recovered and

00:38:11.420 it's it's grown very slowly and the

00:38:14.280 labour government is just talking about

00:38:15.800 raising taxes and and continuing to not

00:38:19.380 do things that will boost growth that's

00:38:22.360 the choice and if that choice is

00:38:24.320 available that will be a very powerful

00:38:26.940 influence on how europeans think i think

00:38:29.140 about these issues too look the uk is a

00:38:33.140 low-wage low-growth economy yeah and

00:38:35.900 that's the truth i always whenever we

00:38:38.860 talk to americans and we should and we

00:38:41.840 talk about you know what the wages are in

00:38:43.660 this country they burst in our country

00:38:45.300 they burst out laughing they think it's

00:38:47.340 hilarious how little that we are paid

00:38:49.840 when you factor in how little we were

00:38:51.260 paid how much we're taxed it is input

00:38:54.280 we've got we've got a population

00:38:57.000 catastrophe on the horizon young people

00:39:00.080 can't afford to buy property they can't

00:39:02.340 afford to get on the housing they can't

00:39:03.840 afford to get married they can't afford

00:39:05.640 to have kids and you go what is labour

00:39:08.880 doing for them what is what taxing them

00:39:11.720 more they're doing the same thing the

00:39:13.240 conservators did for 14 years yeah

00:39:14.880 burying their head in the sand exactly

00:39:16.600 and so at this point you look at it and i

00:39:19.440 go back to it it's unsustainable it is

00:39:22.140 unsustainable we are at crisis point and

00:39:24.960 we are doing nothing to arrest that so

00:39:27.920 if america can become a beacon if they can

00:39:32.960 show a different way if they can show

00:39:35.220 people that actually this is how you turn

00:39:37.920 an economy around this is how you improve

00:39:40.260 the population crisis this is how you

00:39:44.460 actually save the west

00:39:46.500 then that is something i think that we

00:39:50.960 everybody wants yeah and look a lot of our

00:39:53.800 audience are going to say we've become

00:39:55.120 american but i i think there's a truth to

00:39:57.960 this we have got fatter

00:39:59.360 that is true but i think there is a

00:40:03.200 fundamental truth to it which is you know

00:40:04.840 we talk about america being the leader of

00:40:06.720 the free world well what does leadership

00:40:08.180 mean

00:40:08.560 leadership is about inspiring people to

00:40:12.720 follow and if america can deliver as i

00:40:16.400 say i think if if the trump

00:40:17.640 administration is able to deliver half

00:40:20.040 the things they promised that would be an

00:40:22.400 incredible achievement that would allow them

00:40:24.860 to stay in power the republicans to stay in

00:40:26.980 power for a long time and then that is

00:40:30.320 guaranteed to spread to the rest of the

00:40:32.480 world however the one possibility we

00:40:34.040 haven't discussed and i do think it's a

00:40:35.640 real possibility is that for whatever

00:40:37.820 reason and i don't know exactly what

00:40:40.660 those reasons might be but i can think of

00:40:42.240 some

00:40:42.460 the trump administration fails to deliver

00:40:45.000 and i think that's possible i think we

00:40:46.380 have to acknowledge that that's a reality

00:40:47.660 it is

00:40:48.260 it's a reality for all sorts of reasons

00:40:50.380 because no one's perfect but also you know

00:40:52.740 can these big egos that undoubtedly exist

00:40:57.220 within this administration can they stick

00:40:59.500 together because it's one thing to campaign

00:41:02.220 on being against the left and to campaign

00:41:05.720 on things that you're promising it's a whole

00:41:08.400 different thing when you've got someone like

00:41:10.180 rfk and donald trump who do have different

00:41:13.280 views on many things to continue to work

00:41:15.940 together over a long period of time you know

00:41:17.840 what about the succession crisis donald trump

00:41:20.480 is in his last term two years from now well

00:41:23.880 sorry

00:41:24.240 right now everyone around him it will already

00:41:28.140 be thinking i want to put myself in position

00:41:31.040 to succeed him

00:41:31.820 so you've got jd vance you've got rfk you've

00:41:35.700 got tulsi you've got lots of you know maybe

00:41:37.800 tucker carl lots of people

00:41:39.060 tucker

00:41:40.180 lots of look he was scratched by a demon

00:41:43.420 i don't even know what to say about that but

00:41:46.280 anyway

00:41:46.460 but it wasn't a dog and there were four of

00:41:49.380 them in the bed

00:41:49.860 he slept in a bed with four dogs and he

00:41:52.400 woke up with a scratch and he was scratched

00:41:53.840 by a demon and demons by the way invented

00:41:55.660 nuclear weapons

00:41:56.320 okay and yeah i don't know what to say about

00:41:59.260 tucker anymore it's a conundrum but anyway

00:42:01.160 i mean it's not really a conundrum

00:42:02.940 what do you mean

00:42:03.900 i mean you if i came to you and i went and

00:42:08.440 you went to me how would you how was your

00:42:09.860 kip last night and i went i slept with four

00:42:12.480 dogs and you go i would i would end it

00:42:15.480 there mate to be honest yeah and i go and

00:42:17.780 i got scratched by a demon

00:42:19.040 i mean what would you think

00:42:23.100 i would think why didn't those dogs protect

00:42:26.560 me from the demon

00:42:27.280 i mean that's not what you would think but

00:42:30.160 yeah

00:42:30.420 so look tucker is what tucker is but i take

00:42:33.620 your point and also as well it's a broad

00:42:36.060 coalition of people who think very

00:42:37.980 differently

00:42:38.400 and we have seen time and time again with

00:42:40.940 the conservative party in the uk and the

00:42:43.160 labor party

00:42:43.880 it is very difficult to hold this

00:42:46.740 british broad coalition of people

00:42:48.300 together

00:42:48.800 particularly once you get into government

00:42:52.600 and the stresses and strains of leading a

00:42:54.900 country like america

00:42:56.160 yeah and also the obvious difficulty within

00:42:59.940 the republican movement now is that there

00:43:02.400 are some people who are

00:43:03.780 you know faith-based conservatives

00:43:07.120 who have religious views about issues like

00:43:11.540 abortion

00:43:12.040 and you know all sorts of other things that

00:43:16.400 are to do with morality and personal conduct

00:43:18.620 etc

00:43:18.980 and you have a lot of people

00:43:21.060 who are you know disaffected liberals who

00:43:24.780 don't share those views and i think the

00:43:26.740 temptation for a lot of people on the right

00:43:28.780 now will be to try and

00:43:30.180 push donald trump who i think actually is more

00:43:33.560 of a disaffected liberal than he is a

00:43:35.380 a kind of traditional conservative

00:43:37.140 the they will be like well look we've got this

00:43:39.700 huge electoral mandate

00:43:40.940 let's look at abortion in a different light

00:43:44.080 let's look at other issues of that type

00:43:46.740 in a different light

00:43:47.680 marriage and gay marriage and all sorts of

00:43:50.000 that would be the temptation for some people

00:43:51.820 to roll back some of the things that have

00:43:53.800 happened in the last 20 years on that issue

00:43:55.600 on those issues

00:43:56.580 and the more they move in that direction

00:44:00.120 the more they're likely to lose

00:44:01.460 the people who have recently joined that

00:44:03.900 coalition

00:44:04.320 so they there is the potential i'm not saying

00:44:06.520 this will happen

00:44:07.280 but just as an outside observer that is a

00:44:09.720 natural fault line within this

00:44:11.260 this coalition which is why donald trump

00:44:13.340 was very very smart

00:44:14.480 in the way that he approached the abortion

00:44:16.640 issue in the election where he just basically

00:44:18.520 made it an on issue

00:44:19.540 and he was criticized you know by people on the

00:44:22.380 christian or the religious right like lilo rose

00:44:26.040 our former guest

00:44:26.900 because you know he wasn't seen as being

00:44:32.420 you know strong enough on that issue

00:44:34.100 from a conservative perspective

00:44:35.980 that is a natural fault line within this coalition

00:44:39.300 and whether that gets exposed or gets exploited

00:44:41.820 or is a natural

00:44:42.720 naturally occurring problem

00:44:45.640 that could be another thing that affects

00:44:47.780 and the third thing of course is

00:44:49.160 you know running a country's heart

00:44:51.240 it's very very hard

00:44:52.980 um you know last time they had staffing issues

00:44:55.680 are they gonna have them this time

00:44:58.960 nobody knows

00:44:59.900 um so

00:45:01.340 the it's i think the the sense of relief

00:45:05.620 and actually happiness that a lot of people feel

00:45:08.300 i think is quite warranted

00:45:09.600 but there is the possibility that it could go the other way

00:45:12.540 and as we both know

00:45:13.760 over the last eight years

00:45:15.680 something always happens

00:45:18.160 yeah

00:45:18.620 and you don't know what that is

00:45:20.080 you know donald trump was going to be re-elected in 2020

00:45:22.900 and then covet happened

00:45:23.840 yeah

00:45:24.220 so

00:45:25.960 and also there's

00:45:28.020 which we're not talking about is the debt

00:45:31.360 yeah

00:45:32.100 the debt is continually increasing

00:45:34.060 it is becoming unsustainable

00:45:36.600 is he going to tackle the debt

00:45:38.540 or is he going to do like

00:45:39.860 a lot of presidents before him

00:45:41.740 and just increase it

00:45:43.200 and just

00:45:43.860 again kick the can down the road

00:45:45.700 for someone else to deal with

00:45:46.800 i guess

00:45:47.680 what we understand is

00:45:49.580 the argument is

00:45:50.440 you grow your way out of it

00:45:51.840 and if you boost growth

00:45:53.240 then

00:45:53.540 debt becomes a smaller percentage of your gdp

00:45:56.060 and you can start paying it off

00:45:57.620 that requires

00:45:59.440 long-term economic growth

00:46:01.360 and

00:46:02.160 and

00:46:02.460 and a plan

00:46:03.280 to deal

00:46:03.840 to tackle that

00:46:04.700 that's a big

00:46:06.160 that's a big challenge

00:46:07.100 that's a big challenge

00:46:08.320 now

00:46:08.540 i'm sure it's possible

00:46:09.580 but

00:46:10.020 that is something that remains to be seen

00:46:11.760 and and that ties into not just

00:46:13.940 debt as some abstract thing

00:46:16.280 but that ties into

00:46:17.140 the strength of the currency

00:46:18.240 and

00:46:18.580 and how reliable it is

00:46:19.780 and whether the rest of the world

00:46:21.020 eventually tries to move away

00:46:22.400 from the u.s dollar

00:46:23.240 as the world's reserve currency

00:46:24.980 so

00:46:25.960 make no mistake

00:46:28.660 there is a lot to do

00:46:30.320 and whether donald trump

00:46:32.300 and his administration

00:46:33.300 is able to do that

00:46:34.340 is what will determine the course

00:46:36.100 not just of the republican party

00:46:37.520 not just of america

00:46:38.460 but the world

00:46:39.040 exactly

00:46:40.120 so

00:46:40.560 we will wait and see

00:46:41.900 but

00:46:42.680 i think we're guaranteed one thing

00:46:44.560 it ain't gonna be boring

00:46:46.200 it's gonna be a lot of fun

00:46:47.440 it is

00:46:48.240 so

00:46:48.740 it's been a pleasure

00:46:49.880 it's the end of the trip

00:46:51.900 what's the one thing we're not talking about

00:46:55.300 that we really should be

00:46:58.180 well

00:46:59.020 i think for me

00:47:00.680 it's

00:47:04.360 you know

00:47:05.960 i've been one of the people

00:47:07.620 who's been

00:47:08.180 very vocal

00:47:10.140 about

00:47:10.800 the fact

00:47:11.500 that i think

00:47:12.080 the west has been moving

00:47:13.120 in the wrong direction

00:47:13.960 and the one thing

00:47:16.280 we're not talking about

00:47:17.700 is that

00:47:18.540 we have a choice

00:47:21.400 we

00:47:22.840 as a civilization

00:47:24.100 have a choice

00:47:25.040 do we

00:47:26.280 accept decline

00:47:27.700 and surrender

00:47:29.020 and roll over

00:47:29.720 or

00:47:30.800 do we fight

00:47:31.880 and i think the american people

00:47:34.060 made their feelings

00:47:36.520 known

00:47:36.800 i think it's time for the rest of us

00:47:38.860 to do the same

00:47:39.380 what about you

00:47:42.100 optimism

00:47:45.220 to me

00:47:46.160 this was

00:47:47.160 the difference

00:47:48.240 the two main

00:47:49.960 i would say

00:47:53.440 outlooks

00:47:54.080 between

00:47:54.460 this election

00:47:55.400 with the left

00:47:55.860 and the right

00:47:56.360 is the right

00:47:56.920 was talking about optimism

00:47:58.140 and the left

00:47:59.520 was being pessimistic

00:48:01.080 and i think it's time

00:48:03.020 for a little bit of optimism

00:48:04.000 and i think

00:48:05.380 everybody could do

00:48:06.340 with being a little bit

00:48:07.040 more optimistic

00:48:07.740 and i think

00:48:08.840 i know this is ironic

00:48:09.860 me saying this

00:48:10.580 but

00:48:10.880 there's

00:48:12.060 you look at the young kids

00:48:13.520 there's not a lot

00:48:14.840 of optimism there

00:48:15.780 you're looking at our generation

00:48:17.700 there doesn't seem to be

00:48:18.840 a great deal of optimism

00:48:19.880 you're talking about the uk

00:48:21.100 i'm talking about the us

00:48:22.820 until a few weeks

00:48:24.900 until a couple of days ago

00:48:26.640 i think we need to be

00:48:28.820 a lot more positive

00:48:29.540 we need to be a lot more optimistic

00:48:31.020 and i think we need to

00:48:32.580 start thinking about

00:48:33.920 how we can make positive changes

00:48:35.460 because if you sit

00:48:37.040 and stew

00:48:37.700 in a

00:48:38.300 in a sea of pessimism

00:48:40.680 i don't think that's going to change

00:48:42.240 or do anything

00:48:42.880 and i also think

00:48:44.580 it's time as well

00:48:45.500 that

00:48:45.780 people realize that

00:48:47.860 you are the master

00:48:49.400 of your own destiny

00:48:50.040 you have control over your life

00:48:51.600 and what you want to be

00:48:52.860 and it's time for people

00:48:55.760 to start going out

00:48:56.680 and doing that

00:48:57.500 and i hope

00:48:58.640 that people in the uk

00:48:59.640 are going to have

00:49:00.700 that attitude

00:49:01.440 moving forward

00:49:02.400 we'll wait until we land

00:49:03.700 at heathrow

00:49:04.160 and then see how you feel

00:49:05.000 oh yeah

00:49:05.220 then it's raining

00:49:07.380 it's drizzling

00:49:08.160 i'll ask somebody a question

00:49:09.360 they look at me

00:49:10.080 like i'm doing them

00:49:10.880 like they're doing me a favour

00:49:12.580 and i'm like

00:49:13.120 fuck this

00:49:14.860 there we go

00:49:16.760 a note of optimism turned on

00:49:18.180 yeah i'm never going back

00:49:21.600 i'm never going back

00:49:22.620 We'll be right back.

TRIGGERnometry - January 07, 2025

We Went To America... What The Media Didn’t Tell You

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript