TRIGGERnometry - Why I Don’t Trust the Establishment - Patrick Bet-David

00:00:00.760 You said the enemy is real. What do you mean by that?

00:00:03.980 They don't want to see us unified because once we unify and we realize the enemy isn't as powerful as they think they are,

00:00:11.140 their power comes from a place of facade. Their power comes from a place of convincing you they're stronger than you.

00:00:17.680 99% of the time people fall for that. It's manipulative, it's deceptive, it's dark.

00:00:22.200 They've been around for a while, they're just getting more and more powerful and creative to use the tools that they have accessible to them today

00:00:28.100 that maybe they didn't have 20, 30 years ago.

00:00:32.000 Patrick and David, welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:34.040 It's great to be here.

00:00:34.840 Well, it's great to be here because we're on your set. So thank you, first of all, for hosting us.

00:00:38.740 Anytime.

00:00:39.480 Listen, last time we spoke, we were having a private conversation. I hope you don't mind me revealing this,

00:00:43.980 but you said something that I've been thinking about a lot and I don't know what you meant.

00:00:47.160 So tell me what you meant. You said the enemy is real. What do you mean by that?

00:00:51.900 Is this one of our private Zoom that we have?

00:00:53.520 Yes.

00:00:53.840 Okay, so the enemy is real.

00:00:58.100 The enemy is real that's trying to find a way to gaslight, confuse, and divide the people that should get along.

00:01:08.380 And, you know, when I was running an insurance company and I left a former company,

00:01:14.060 guys would come to me over a span of years and they would say,

00:01:19.240 when I was leaving, compliance said the following thing to me.

00:01:22.880 So what did I tell you?

00:01:24.200 You can go anywhere. We won't sue you.

00:01:26.360 But if you go one place, we'll sue you. And that one place is going with you.

00:01:30.960 Why is that? They would ask me.

00:01:33.080 I said, well, because when you're leaving somewhere, the marketplace is going to want as many powerful people divided away as possible.

00:01:43.660 They don't want to see us unified.

00:01:45.300 Because once we unify and we realize the enemy isn't as powerful as they think they are, their power comes from a place of facade.

00:01:54.080 Their power comes from a place of convincing you they're stronger than you.

00:01:57.440 And 99% of the time, people fall for that.

00:02:01.380 It's manipulative. It's deceptive. It's dark.

00:02:04.140 And, yeah, the enemy is very real.

00:02:06.400 And they're not going away. They've been around for a while.

00:02:08.120 They're just getting more and more powerful and creative to use the tools that they have accessible to them today that maybe they didn't have 20, 30 years ago.

00:02:15.540 But who is it? Who are you talking about?

00:02:17.160 Now, there's a lot of different directions you can go with this.

00:02:21.720 It's anybody who thinks they know what's best for us that they don't want to give up the control and the power to guys like us.

00:02:30.800 For example, so you can go politics.

00:02:33.840 So currency is in different ways, right?

00:02:36.520 When we think about currency, we don't just think about the person that comes from a currency, the dollar, the euro, the this.

00:02:41.620 No, no, that's one currency, which is money, right?

00:02:45.320 The other currency is what?

00:02:47.160 Political power, control. 0.79

00:02:49.820 The other currency is what?

00:02:51.240 Fame, attention.

00:02:53.180 There's many different currencies that we're dealing with, okay?

00:02:56.460 The money currency people are what?

00:02:58.600 It's like actually the most honest one.

00:03:00.600 Because it's what?

00:03:01.720 Hey, man, I'm making money.

00:03:03.760 Don't mess with my money.

00:03:05.260 Simple.

00:03:05.920 But you know that's a very powerful currency.

00:03:08.560 The political one is the darkest one because there is no measurement.

00:03:12.940 At least with money, you can say, I'm worth $1.2 billion.

00:03:16.440 I'm worth $600 million.

00:03:17.900 I'm worth $2.8 billion.

00:03:19.480 I'm worth $188 billion.

00:03:21.500 I'm worth $6.8 million.

00:03:23.180 There is an actual way to measure success.

00:03:26.460 Politics?

00:03:27.360 There isn't.

00:03:28.120 How do you measure political success?

00:03:29.920 How do you measure political clout or control or influence?

00:03:33.140 You can't.

00:03:33.900 How do you measure the power of Clintons?

00:03:35.920 Give me a score on it.

00:03:36.900 There isn't anything like that.

00:03:38.200 How do you measure Soros' political clout that now his son has taken over?

00:03:42.860 Financially, you can say he's worth $7 billion.

00:03:45.020 Financially, you can say he's giving $32 billion to whatever Open Society Foundation, whatever those organizations are since the 90s, early 90s.

00:03:52.860 But politically, what is that?

00:03:54.820 Right?

00:03:55.060 There's no measurement.

00:03:55.800 So it's darker, deceptive, uglier, control, the country club card that I get to get away with, whatever I want to do, impose my power.

00:04:04.200 And then you have the fame part.

00:04:05.440 I still need to be seen.

00:04:06.880 I'm popular.

00:04:07.660 I'm cool when I'm going out there.

00:04:09.640 On the currency part, I'll give you a little bit more specific, too, if you just want like a case study.

00:04:14.680 So do you know how big the oil industry is worldwide?

00:04:18.260 $5 trillion.

00:04:18.940 Are you familiar with the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951?

00:04:24.280 So in 1951, they came up with this concept called the Invention Secrecy Act, which means the government and any agencies that they choose,

00:04:37.100 if they feel any invention could potentially cause economic, you know, discourse or any kind of negative attention to the economy,

00:04:47.660 they can choose to take that patent away from you and not do anything with it.

00:04:53.400 If you've never looked at this, this is something everybody must look at.

00:04:57.360 Go Google Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.

00:05:00.180 Now, what will you find in this Invention Secrecy Act of 1951?

00:05:04.140 Over 6,000 patents.

00:05:05.880 Okay?

00:05:06.560 So you come out with it.

00:05:08.520 I simply come to you and say, hey, congratulations.

00:05:11.060 This is a very important patent.

00:05:12.620 You can't make money with this.

00:05:14.040 We're going to give you 75% of what we think this is worth.

00:05:17.000 If we think this patent's worth a million dollars, here's $750,000.

00:05:22.080 If you sell this to any other country, anywhere else, and we find out about it, you're going to jail for whatever term we want to give you.

00:05:28.820 Okay?

00:05:29.420 So now, let's look at the Invention Secrecy Act.

00:05:32.280 When you look at this, and you can go look at this even deeply in this documentary called Lost Century by Stephen Greer, a fantastic documentary to watch,

00:05:40.940 You'll notice, in the last 100 years, guys have invented cars to drive 200 miles on one gallon of water.

00:05:51.960 Water.

00:05:52.780 Okay?

00:05:53.660 They've invented mechanisms or engines or motors to go 217 miles on gasoline.

00:06:01.820 They've found ways to create power from Earth.

00:06:05.240 There's so many different ways that people created inventions that would get cars to drive a lot more miles where you don't need to buy as much gas.

00:06:14.340 Well, one of the times, one of these patents was tested on a V8 Ford car.

00:06:20.000 They go to Ford.

00:06:21.280 They test it on the V8 engine.

00:06:23.820 Ford says, no, no, this works.

00:06:25.680 We can potentially do 200 plus miles per gallon the next day, collapse in the oil prices in the U.S. because word got out.

00:06:34.920 But in many cases, these guys that created these patents, Shell would come out and say, hey, we love your patent.

00:06:41.500 We'd like to buy it from you.

00:06:42.440 Here's 25 million bucks.

00:06:44.340 And you sell it to me, and then what happens?

00:06:46.580 I keep the patent, never release it to the public.

00:06:49.160 They got 6,000 patents that America controls.

00:06:51.560 So the people of power in the oil industry that has lobbyists, controls politicians, these guys are the easiest people to buy.

00:06:58.940 They buy them at nothing.

00:07:00.380 $10,000 a senator at times, $100,000 a congressman.

00:07:04.100 Many, many cases you can buy these guys.

00:07:06.340 So they fear of losing power by them, keep them famous to go to the parties that they want and be on the TV shows.

00:07:14.200 Their stomach is filled.

00:07:15.220 But a lot of these guys that are worried about a $5 trillion industry being disrupted by an invention of a new guy, we can't do that.

00:07:22.260 Let's write up a new bill.

00:07:23.200 And by the way, you know the guy that wrote the bill in 1951?

00:07:25.800 You know what happened to him in 1954 or 52?

00:07:29.280 He ran as the vice president ticket in the U.S.

00:07:32.620 He failed.

00:07:33.780 But he ran.

00:07:34.540 He was a VP nominee for the Democratic side.

00:07:36.400 And that one bill that they put in there would have prevented so many different creative minds of coming up with an invention that would have saved people so much money and gas and all this other stuff.

00:07:45.300 But a $5 trillion industry could split in half overnight.

00:07:49.040 It's going to piss off a lot of different people.

00:07:50.420 So the community day, the people on the back that I want it to control, they're not just driven by money.

00:07:56.160 They come in many different faces and we've got to pay attention to it.

00:07:59.200 Does that make you, the way you see the world, quite anti-establishment, Patrick, that you have a natural distrust of big corporations, billionaires, et cetera?

00:08:09.040 I am a pro-capitalistic guy.

00:08:12.600 Okay?

00:08:13.120 Pro.

00:08:14.080 And the way I look at it is in the following way.

00:08:17.280 When I'm running my business in the insurance industry, I'm selling a product.

00:08:21.060 And my job every 90 days, I had a handful of people that I would call and I would say, hey, these are like the heavyweight guys of the insurance industry.

00:08:29.340 Very well known, carry a lot of weight.

00:08:31.900 I say, is anything major going on with regulation that's coming down from Elizabeth Warren or anybody and, you know, Department of Insurance?

00:08:38.440 Yeah, let me tell you what they're working on.

00:08:39.700 They're working on the DOL, Department of Labor, such and such, 1099W2.

00:08:44.300 They're working on this product that they want to turn into a securities product.

00:08:47.300 Oh, shoot.

00:08:47.880 If they do that, what are we going to do?

00:08:49.020 So we had to always be ready.

00:08:52.280 If they turn this product that I'm selling right now with one license, now I need three licenses to sell this product.

00:08:58.440 That's going to take my guys an additional 90 days to 120 days to get licensed.

00:09:02.540 That lowers my business by growing at 28% per year to 16% per year.

00:09:07.880 How am I going to make up that additional 12% to still be able to grow exponentially, right?

00:09:11.880 Okay.

00:09:12.500 So it's my job to constantly proactive and see what's taking place.

00:09:16.920 If all of a sudden life expectancy goes from 68 years old to 79 years old to 99 years old, some people may say, why do I need a term insurance?

00:09:26.900 But why do I need a, these are, these are all things that could potentially be taking place.

00:09:30.640 And I have to look at, well, if that does happen, well, that's cost of insurance goes down.

00:09:34.200 So it's not going to be the same because that's all math.

00:09:36.880 So in the, in the area where somebody may disrupt your business at any given day, that's capitalism.

00:09:43.860 That's free market.

00:09:44.860 If somebody does it better than you and they have a strategy that's better than yours.

00:09:48.260 Hey man, you're going out of business.

00:09:49.860 It's that simple.

00:09:51.300 Newspapers, borders.

00:09:52.940 Oh, borders will never go out of business.

00:09:54.460 This guy, people are going to buy books on Amazon.

00:09:56.300 Are you out of your mind?

00:09:57.320 He's delusional.

00:09:58.340 He has no clue what he's talking about.

00:09:59.860 Borders out of business.

00:10:00.800 So many Barnes and Noble shopping, closing down all these bookstore shopping and closing

00:10:05.000 down the fear of capitalism.

00:10:08.120 When we look at capitalism and we understand that the whole basis of capitalism is four things,

00:10:13.440 freedom to buy whatever you want to buy, freedom to sell whatever you want to buy legally,

00:10:18.340 right?

00:10:18.720 That's under the law.

00:10:20.240 Freedom to, so freedom to buy, freedom to sell, freedom to fail and freedom to create.

00:10:26.340 Like you can create something and build it.

00:10:28.060 Right?

00:10:28.260 So, but the part that people fear is what?

00:10:32.020 The fail.

00:10:32.540 The fail.

00:10:33.120 But that's capitalism.

00:10:34.500 Without it, you don't have capitalism.

00:10:36.300 So some of these bigger guys that are golfing six days a week that are no longer working

00:10:40.540 the 12, 14 hour days they used to work and now they're just working a couple hours a day,

00:10:45.060 they fear disruption, right?

00:10:47.100 So I'm always worried about the establishment guys that are no longer in the game, no longer

00:10:53.100 engaged, trying to control what they worked for 20, 30 years ago.

00:10:57.320 That's no problem.

00:10:58.480 But you can't do it in a way where the new guy can't come and put you out of business

00:11:01.520 if they come out with a product that's better for the consumer.

00:11:03.680 Even if that means I'm losing.

00:11:05.520 Even if that means that you're losing, right?

00:11:07.760 Somebody could have a show right now and they're killing it.

00:11:10.120 You guys are coming up.

00:11:11.280 You've been on the road for two months.

00:11:12.680 You got a family.

00:11:14.000 That means you're traveling with your family.

00:11:15.380 You're here.

00:11:16.000 You're Mexico. 0.98

00:11:16.640 You're LA.

00:11:17.120 You're this.

00:11:17.520 You're that.

00:11:17.820 If all of a sudden somebody says, well, that's not fair.

00:11:21.560 You know what?

00:11:22.360 My friends at YouTube, I need you to give this channel three strikes and take them down.

00:11:27.700 What are you afraid of?

00:11:28.600 Maybe they're better than you.

00:11:30.160 Maybe you're better at what you're doing.

00:11:31.960 Maybe they need to be recognized for going two months on the road and interviewing people.

00:11:35.660 Instead, you're sitting there saying, well, they're not coming to me.

00:11:38.600 Why ask them to come to me, but they don't want to come to me?

00:11:40.840 No, these guys are going to them.

00:11:42.820 That's the part that I'm concerned about, about the guys that don't want to do the leg work that you're doing and they want to protect it.

00:11:50.120 And then the other part is also that one day you guys will be there.

00:11:53.100 Are you going to still do the leg work?

00:11:54.980 Are you like you're now, say, you're killing it.

00:11:56.960 You got 10 million subs.

00:11:57.820 You're getting a billion views a month.

00:11:59.500 Wow, you know, they need to come to me.

00:12:01.440 Then you're now the establishment YouTubers.

00:12:04.200 You're the establishment podcasters.

00:12:06.300 The concept of establishment and anti-establishment belongs everywhere.

00:12:10.120 But yeah, the guys that are establishment that are afraid of losing everything without wanting to do the work and the way they compete is by putting everybody else out of business with making the barrier to entry tougher.

00:12:20.580 Yeah, I have a problem with that.

00:12:21.740 Because there's a lot of people who actually share that who would say, look, I like capitalism, but the game is rigged.

00:12:27.760 And they would put example of banks.

00:12:29.960 Banks fail and then get bailed out continually.

00:12:32.060 And they go, well, I have a small business.

00:12:34.400 If I fail, I fail.

00:12:36.280 Why is it they get bailed out?

00:12:37.840 And we saw during COVID, for example, where small mom and pop businesses had to shut and then multinational corporations were allowed to continue.

00:12:46.260 But what's your point?

00:12:47.340 Is your point that that's the reason why people are not starting businesses?

00:12:52.680 No, my point is, is that that's why people, a lot of people are suspicious of capitalism.

00:12:57.800 And a lot of people say that the system doesn't work for them.

00:13:01.140 Totally get it.

00:13:01.600 Fair enough.

00:13:01.940 So let me give you my rebuttal to that.

00:13:03.200 So I'm at Bible study in Pasadena in 2003.

00:13:08.800 And I'm going to this Bible study in Pasadena, Paznaz. 0.99

00:13:15.660 This guy, Mano, is the pastor.

00:13:17.520 And I'm an atheist.

00:13:18.720 25 years I've been an atheist.

00:13:20.280 Why are you an atheist?

00:13:21.980 God really exists.

00:13:23.560 Do you see how many people died in Iran?

00:13:24.740 I lived in Iran.

00:13:25.620 We're getting bombed left and right.

00:13:26.740 The parks I used to go to, kids died. 1.00

00:13:28.560 That kid deserved to die. 0.98

00:13:29.500 And I'm having this debate with the pastor. 0.99

00:13:31.900 And then he eventually tells me, you're judging your relationship with God horizontally, not in a vertical way.

00:13:40.640 What do you mean?

00:13:41.780 If you base your faith on other human beings, you will be disappointed.

00:13:47.140 Because man will let you down.

00:13:49.880 Just like you let people down.

00:13:51.620 I've let people down.

00:13:53.000 We're going to let each other down.

00:13:54.560 Because we're what?

00:13:55.540 We're sinners.

00:13:56.660 We're men.

00:13:57.320 We screw up.

00:13:58.060 We act like we've got everything under control.

00:14:00.060 We don't, right?

00:14:01.200 He says, but if you can't rely, that's if somebody has faith.

00:14:03.280 I have faith.

00:14:03.960 I'm relying this way.

00:14:05.100 I'm not relying on my faith based on how good you're going to treat me.

00:14:08.140 I'm delusional.

00:14:08.920 You're not God.

00:14:09.700 He is, right?

00:14:10.360 Okay.

00:14:12.940 Capitalism is purely a mathematical system and an economical system that allows for the best ideas ran by the best folks with character, drive, intention, hard work, strategy,

00:14:27.900 to win, right?

00:14:29.180 Who screws up capitalism?

00:14:30.900 Not capitalism.

00:14:33.040 Lobbyists, politicians, bullies, congressmen who are for sale, senators who are for sale,

00:14:39.220 former guys that made their money that are no longer willing to do the work.

00:14:42.200 But that's not the blame of the economical system of capitalism.

00:14:46.160 That's the blame of a man based on greed, based on insecurities, based on theft, based on compliance, based on all that stuff.

00:14:53.380 We can't pinpoint on the system.

00:14:56.640 We can't pinpoint it on criminals.

00:14:58.500 We can't pinpoint it on people that are abusing the system, but not the actual economical system called capitalism.

00:15:06.280 Patrick, you mentioned Iran.

00:15:07.540 Tell us your story a little bit because you've had a fascinating life story in terms of where you come from, what you've done in your life, etc.

00:15:16.400 Tell us your life story.

00:15:17.600 Born and raised in Iran.

00:15:18.480 I was born October 1878.

00:15:20.200 The peak of the revolution in Iran, like all the stuff you're seeing going on in Iran right now with Raisi.

00:15:28.140 I'm living there, getting bombed on left and right between Iran and Iraq.

00:15:34.000 Go to war over that eight-year period, half a million people.

00:15:36.520 I'm living there.

00:15:37.080 I'm living in the capital.

00:15:38.740 And we constantly try to escape.

00:15:40.300 We go to Bandar Pahlavi, which is like north, because my grandparents were from there.

00:15:45.080 They bombed Rasht. 0.99

00:15:47.480 We'd go to Karaj.

00:15:48.440 They would bomb Karaj. 0.94

00:15:49.320 Everywhere we went, we'd keep getting bombed.

00:15:51.500 So, I mean, essentially, when I'm living there and I'm going through this whole war, I'm like, you know, I don't know what this thing is all about with the war we're going on between Iran and Iraq.

00:15:59.440 Not pretty.

00:16:01.440 Khomeini dies, just like this guy Raisi just died.

00:16:04.420 Khomeini dies.

00:16:06.980 Absolute insanity in the streets of Iran. 0.95

00:16:09.060 I'm in the school, Gulbengyan, fifth grade.

00:16:11.240 I can't find my parents.

00:16:12.140 We don't have phones.

00:16:13.620 Everyone's panicking.

00:16:14.620 Parents are trying to find their kids.

00:16:16.580 Eventually, my parents come.

00:16:17.660 They get me.

00:16:18.020 We go to the house.

00:16:18.500 My mom's like, I'm done.

00:16:19.640 Looks at my dad.

00:16:20.820 We're escaping Iran. 0.97

00:16:21.940 Okay.

00:16:22.360 Do whatever you want to do.

00:16:23.100 I'll sell everything here.

00:16:24.360 We go to Germany.

00:16:25.420 We live at a refugee camp in Erlangen near Nuremberg for a year and a half.

00:16:29.900 And then my parents get a divorce.

00:16:32.360 Then we eventually, November 28, 1990, come here to the States.

00:16:35.580 And I go to school in Glendale, California.

00:16:38.680 I joined the Army afterwards.

00:16:39.800 I'm a 1.8 GPA guy.

00:16:41.540 I don't know if you guys in the UK are a GPA, but I wasn't a good student except for math.

00:16:46.620 So it's out of five.

00:16:47.900 So 1.8 is not good, right?

00:16:49.520 It's horrible.

00:16:50.200 Yeah.

00:16:50.500 1.8 is horrible.

00:16:51.680 I was being diplomatic.

00:16:53.120 No, that's what it is.

00:16:54.060 It's horrible.

00:16:54.980 But when it came down to math, you couldn't force me to miss a day of class.

00:16:59.820 I love numbers.

00:17:01.160 So I go to the Army.

00:17:02.000 I get out.

00:17:02.400 I want to be a bodybuilder.

00:17:03.300 I want to be a governor.

00:17:04.040 I'm kind of trying to be the next Middle Eastern Arnold. 1.00

00:17:06.500 And then I get into the financial industry.

00:17:08.500 I meet a girl, Jean Vier.

00:17:09.460 Introduce me to Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

00:17:11.500 I get my Series 7, 66, all the stocks, all the licenses to sell insurance, stocks, futures, commodities.

00:17:17.800 Get into the business.

00:17:19.160 Then I go to Transamerica.

00:17:20.320 Then I become a chairman with those guys.

00:17:21.940 Then eventually I start my own company October of 2009, September, October of 2009.

00:17:27.320 And we took one office with 66 insurance agents to 50,000 agents.

00:17:30.800 We sold it nearly two years ago for very nice multi, multi, multi nine-figure exit, life-changing type of money.

00:17:38.500 And then while I'm part-time building a YouTube channel on the back end, it turns into a consulting firm, product development division.

00:17:45.380 We consult right now for nearly 5,000 businesses from 60-plus countries that we do engagements on, on various types of things, raising money, restructuring, comp plan.

00:17:54.760 Anyways, HR, recruiting, hiring, all that stuff.

00:17:58.280 And then podcast, what it's turned into today.

00:18:01.740 We own this building.

00:18:02.560 We turn this into a comedy club and cigar lounge.

00:18:04.520 We're getting a liquor license.

00:18:06.240 We got two bars here. 0.96

00:18:07.220 We'll be entertaining folks.

00:18:08.180 We do town halls here, debates here, a bunch of things here.

00:18:11.500 We bought the other building down the street.

00:18:13.120 And, you know, all of that gradually turned into what it is today.

00:18:17.300 What you're doing now is you're building a media empire.

00:18:19.780 At least that's the public-facing aspect of what you're doing.

00:18:22.140 What's your interest in media?

00:18:24.820 What are you trying to do?

00:18:26.360 My interest is in media.

00:18:27.880 16 years, but I'll give you an idea why it is and why it isn't.

00:18:30.620 16 years ago, my pastor gave me a message about seven mountains to climb.

00:18:35.280 And one of the hardest mountains to climb in the world is media.

00:18:38.760 But that is the most important because if you really want to control the narrative and protect something, it's going to come down to media.

00:18:45.600 You want to tell a story, it happens with movies, shows, documentaries.

00:18:48.740 You know, if you've got something you want to inject in other people to kind of debate, process, question, say, I don't agree with this, I agree with this.

00:18:55.400 It's through media, right?

00:18:57.400 On the other side, you know, I've got four kids.

00:18:59.700 I would like to later on in life have the opportunity for these guys to want to somehow be in business with me, my family, our family.

00:19:07.640 So I want to be able to have a wider range of opportunities in the holding company that if you want to be a lawyer, great.

00:19:12.780 Media, movie, real estate, whatever you want to do, the holding company allows you to have a place for it.

00:19:17.720 So that's that part.

00:19:19.780 And then the other part is that the army we're building, everybody's building an army.

00:19:26.480 The army we're building is we take a $10 million a year business and through the strategies that we have, we help you go into a $68 million a year business.

00:19:36.720 Whether we've rearranged the comp, help you with the right people to hire, help you become a tech-enabled business, all these things that we're doing behind closed doors.

00:19:43.760 Eventually, over the next 20 years, all these businesses we're consulting for, collectively, it's a lot of influence.

00:19:51.360 And these are not people from America.

00:19:52.860 They're from around the world.

00:19:54.200 We're putting an event together in Palm Beach, September.

00:19:57.120 We'll have 10,000 people at this event coming from all over the place, 180-plus industries.

00:20:01.880 These guys are a small army that we're building.

00:20:04.260 So part of it is media, part of it is influence, but we're doing it through the route of business, consulting, product development, and then at the same time, selling the philosophies of capitalism, free enterprise, free market, all the other things that we have in place.

00:20:19.040 So what's the why?

00:20:20.020 Why are you doing all of that?

00:20:21.040 I don't like bullies.

00:20:23.100 I've never liked them.

00:20:24.240 I'm a very friendly guy.

00:20:25.940 I will sit there and tell jokes, and we can be sarcastic and talk sports, talk politics, talk movies, talk shop.

00:20:33.040 But I don't do well with bullies.

00:20:35.420 I just don't.

00:20:36.600 Why is that?

00:20:37.740 I just don't do well.

00:20:38.980 But as a kid growing up, my parents, when they got a divorce, and they were kind of going through it, each side would say to me, while the other one wasn't there, like, let's just say if I'm my mom's family and they're Armenian,

00:20:49.900 they would say, oh, Patrick is a Syrian.

00:20:55.960 He's one of those guys.

00:20:56.740 He's a bad David.

00:20:57.840 Couldn't stand it.

00:20:59.880 And then the other side would say, Patrick's Armenian.

00:21:06.520 He's one of these guys.

00:21:07.260 He's a Boghossian.

00:21:08.080 Couldn't stand it.

00:21:09.420 So at a young age, I told him one time, and my mom and dad would know this.

00:21:15.080 I told both families.

00:21:16.000 I said, you guys don't matter to me, just so you know that.

00:21:18.260 I'm only here with you because I love my dad.

00:21:21.600 Okay?

00:21:22.000 So he's my number one.

00:21:23.120 And I told my mom's family, I'm only here because of my mom.

00:21:26.560 Or else you guys don't matter to me.

00:21:28.380 It's my mom.

00:21:29.020 It's my dad.

00:21:29.480 It's my sister.

00:21:30.580 That's it.

00:21:31.180 You're secondary.

00:21:32.440 So if you want to have a relationship with me, don't pin me against my mom and dad.

00:21:36.220 We're going to have a problem.

00:21:37.320 And you will never see me again because I don't have any interest in seeing you if you're going to do that.

00:21:40.640 And I said this very early on as a kid.

00:21:42.980 And so that was a form of bullying.

00:21:45.200 And a lot of relatives fell for it.

00:21:47.600 And, you know, as you age and you kind of see it happen in different places, and then you kind of see the writing on the wall of what a profile of a bully is, then you kind of learn how to wrestle with a bully.

00:21:58.380 And then, you know, once you learn that, and that's a skill set that you have, if you don't use that skill set later on in life, you know, what are you doing?

00:22:04.980 You're not using the God-given abilities that he gave you and the experiences.

00:22:09.280 I think today the world is filled with many bullies in many industries.

00:22:12.580 And some people can't speak on their behalf.

00:22:14.560 And other people, if they have the ability to do it, I think it's your responsibility to do it.

00:22:19.300 At 28 years old, I wanted to find out what my pillar was.

00:22:23.180 Did I want to be a billionaire?

00:22:24.860 Did I want to be a millionaire?

00:22:26.640 Was it fame?

00:22:28.200 Was it accolades?

00:22:29.500 Was it, oh, he's the best financial advisor?

00:22:31.320 What was it?

00:22:31.760 Like, what do you want to be?

00:22:32.480 Was it being a pastor?

00:22:34.220 What are you going for?

00:22:35.220 Is it father?

00:22:35.940 Is it husband?

00:22:36.260 What is it?

00:22:37.620 Simplify.

00:22:38.600 Leader amongst leaders.

00:22:41.560 It's going to take 40, 50, 60 years to have that reputation.

00:22:44.520 But that's what I'm solving for.

00:22:47.040 And that is a very hard job and responsibility to put on yourself.

00:22:55.160 But if you think you're a leader amongst leaders, somebody's being bullied, you can't sit on the sidelines.

00:22:59.360 You've got to do something about it.

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00:23:29.940 And do you find yourself worried at the place our society is in, Patrick?

00:23:34.680 Does that motivate you?

00:23:36.320 I got two guys here on my, you know, shoulder.

00:23:38.880 On this side, it's the one PBD that's future looks bright.

00:23:42.460 Everything's going to be great.

00:23:43.440 Phenomenal.

00:23:43.880 We're going to take over the world.

00:23:44.720 It's going to be awesome.

00:23:45.380 Freedom, dreams, all this stuff.

00:23:47.300 On this side, it's the paranoid guy.

00:23:51.600 It's like, be careful.

00:23:52.880 Be ready.

00:23:53.820 Something could happen.

00:23:54.800 What if it does?

00:23:55.800 If it does, we got to do this.

00:23:57.820 So that's the balance.

00:23:59.020 You know, as an entrepreneur, you're always like, you have to be super optimistic that we can build this company.

00:24:05.020 But if you're not paranoid, you're going to run out of money.

00:24:06.940 So the balance of being a constant startup, entrepreneur, founder, that mindset kind of applies to life as well, at least for me.

00:24:17.920 And if you apply that mindset to the United States, would you be optimistic or pessimistic if that was your company?

00:24:25.820 Part of me is very optimistic because this is the greatest country in the world.

00:24:29.720 And no country in the world has ever produced better products, better innovation, better companies that have impacted other countries in the world, ideas that others are duplicating.

00:24:44.780 Meaning, a lot of people came up with socialism.

00:24:47.420 A lot of people had communism.

00:24:49.180 Okay?

00:24:49.840 Those died out.

00:24:51.160 Okay?

00:24:51.440 Socialism is still around.

00:24:52.680 And a lot of people are trying to make it socialism.

00:24:54.840 But communism was a failure.

00:24:56.480 So many tried it.

00:24:57.320 Cuba is still trying it.

00:24:58.760 Absolute failure.

00:24:59.920 Russia.

00:25:00.540 Failure.

00:25:01.280 You have Reagan going against Gorbachev.

00:25:03.680 Gorbachev is selling communism.

00:25:04.940 This guy is selling capitalism.

00:25:06.320 Who baptized too?

00:25:07.600 Reagan baptized him.

00:25:08.800 Now Russia realized if we kind of want to have some money to have strong weapons, to have a thriving economy, guess what we got to do?

00:25:15.360 We need to have a little bit of capitalism in it.

00:25:17.060 So I think America has led the way in the shortest span.

00:25:20.640 It's kind of like saying the following.

00:25:22.340 Imagine if you guys start a YouTube channel.

00:25:23.940 Okay?

00:25:24.340 And people have been doing YouTube channels for 2,000 years.

00:25:32.420 Okay?

00:25:33.300 One of the YouTube channels is called China.

00:25:36.100 The other YouTube channel is called, you know, Iran.

00:25:38.980 Persia.

00:25:39.740 The other one is called USSR.

00:25:41.680 Whatever you want to call it.

00:25:42.640 Right?

00:25:42.820 And then there's this new YouTube channel starts off on July 4th of 1776.

00:25:47.680 Very shortly, they have the biggest YouTube channel in the world with better content that everybody else is now watching.

00:25:55.020 What does that say?

00:25:56.020 They have better ideas in place.

00:25:57.740 They started with zero, kind of like you guys did.

00:25:59.740 How do they do it?

00:26:01.240 They just simply didn't want to be taxed 3% for tea that they were bitching about.

00:26:05.740 Now today, America is like willing to say yes to anything to be taxed.

00:26:08.840 Right?

00:26:09.500 So the fire that these guys had was a beautiful thing.

00:26:13.600 Now on this side, the threat.

00:26:15.700 This is the problem with this side.

00:26:18.060 Did you guys ever go to school with a snobby kid that came from a rich family?

00:26:21.640 Yeah.

00:26:21.960 What did you think about that kid?

00:26:23.000 You probably still remember his name.

00:26:24.440 I do.

00:26:24.900 Okay.

00:26:25.240 I do too.

00:26:25.960 Right?

00:26:26.700 Why didn't we like this kid?

00:26:29.200 Because he was entitled.

00:26:30.960 It was unearned.

00:26:31.660 It was unearned.

00:26:33.540 The attitude, like just the way they looked at us, it's like, you know, they gave us a

00:26:39.080 certain vibe and nobody liked that. 0.96

00:26:41.840 Well, unfortunately, the people in America today are those unearned, spoiled little brats 1.00

00:26:49.960 from a very, very wealthy family that now think they can use the money to do whatever

00:26:55.880 they want.

00:26:56.860 And they've never worked for that money.

00:26:58.900 They don't have the founder's mentality.

00:27:00.440 They don't have the startup mentality.

00:27:02.660 They don't have that.

00:27:03.480 These politicians that they're spending money left and right, like it's not a big deal.

00:27:06.920 Send 200 billion here.

00:27:08.280 Send 2 trillion here.

00:27:09.200 Let's print another 2 trillion.

00:27:10.800 So the part is greatest family, greatest legacy, proven track record, did it better than

00:27:17.700 anybody else in the world, filled with spoiled kids that want to spend that wealth at all

00:27:23.220 costs and risk it all.

00:27:25.760 My fear is these guys having control of what to do with this money.

00:27:30.440 If they have control of it, we can go bankrupt.

00:27:33.660 But if some of these guys that are better leaders from this side that have the founder's

00:27:37.920 mentality that typically want to be left alone, they don't want to be no president.

00:27:42.180 They don't want to be a governor.

00:27:43.640 They don't want to go into office.

00:27:45.200 They don't want to do any of that.

00:27:46.180 So they just want to live their lives.

00:27:47.660 We kind of need some of them to be like, look, I know you don't want this job.

00:27:50.660 You got to give eight years.

00:27:52.380 I know you don't want to do this.

00:27:53.340 You got to go get four years.

00:27:54.780 I don't want to do it.

00:27:55.780 Totally get it.

00:27:56.240 You're not doing it for you.

00:27:56.920 You're doing it for the country.

00:27:58.020 So we need you to kind of come on this side a little bit and decide to nominate yourself

00:28:01.920 and fight your own way because these guys are screwing it up.

00:28:04.860 That's what needs to happen.

00:28:06.280 Some of the people that don't want the job need to do the job.

00:28:10.400 It's like kids.

00:28:12.660 The people that should have 10 kids are having one.

00:28:17.080 The people that should have zero kids are having six.

00:28:19.920 I used to be a teacher.

00:28:21.040 Amen.

00:28:21.740 So there you go.

00:28:22.280 So you see the difference, right?

00:28:24.000 So the ones with six kids are like, I don't even know why you're still pregnant. 1.00

00:28:27.580 You got another one?

00:28:28.280 Yeah.

00:28:29.320 What are you going to do with this?

00:28:30.360 You don't even have the money to take him, but the government is going to give me $600.

00:28:33.560 We don't want you to have a more.

00:28:34.740 That kid's not going to have a father.

00:28:36.260 What are we doing here, right?

00:28:37.840 But the ones that are like responsible, teach the right values, well, I don't want to have

00:28:41.720 more than one.

00:28:42.740 We're enjoying ourselves.

00:28:43.880 Now you've got to have three or four.

00:28:45.080 So that's the same emphasis where there's got to be a part of us where we have to commit

00:28:51.260 to public service, even when we don't want to do it.

00:28:54.040 But Patrick, you're a logical guy.

00:28:55.460 You're a smart guy.

00:28:56.940 Look at the way that that space is.

00:29:00.720 Like people say to me, would you be interested in politics?

00:29:02.760 I'm like, God, no. 0.99

00:29:03.980 You'd be insane.

00:29:05.140 You get paid way less than you make anywhere else. 1.00

00:29:07.960 You get treated like shit. 1.00

00:29:10.000 You get misrepresented and lied about all the time. 1.00

00:29:12.440 They drag your family through dirt and they call you every name under the sun.

00:29:17.340 Well, so why would a sane person choose to do that?

00:29:20.460 No, a guy like you needs to run because a guy like you goes into Oxford.

00:29:25.120 Where were you at?

00:29:26.300 Oxford Union.

00:29:27.040 OK, you go there and you school everybody and you walk away with them still smiling and

00:29:33.580 liking you.

00:29:34.920 How many people can do that?

00:29:37.060 You know a lot of guys.

00:29:38.320 Yeah.

00:29:38.540 How many people can do what he does, what he did that day?

00:29:40.480 Out of 100, how many can do it?

00:29:42.440 Not that many.

00:29:43.420 No.

00:29:43.760 I don't even know if it's one.

00:29:45.220 Out of a thousand, probably one or two can do it.

00:29:48.280 So you got that kind of a talent and you don't want to use it for that because you're going

00:29:52.020 to hold them accountable and challenge them.

00:29:53.820 I think I flew to LA and I went to this person's place.

00:29:58.900 I won't say his name because it's private conversation.

00:30:01.740 But I went to his place and I sat across from him.

00:30:04.980 This guy's 20 years my senior.

00:30:06.140 And he said, so what's your outcome of the meeting?

00:30:09.920 I'm here because I think you need to run for governor.

00:30:12.260 What?

00:30:13.380 I think you need to run for governor.

00:30:15.760 What do you mean?

00:30:17.100 You need to run for governor.

00:30:18.440 And you had to see his body language.

00:30:21.960 What happened to it?

00:30:24.100 He was like, what?

00:30:26.660 Shaking, nervous.

00:30:29.900 You know, then we had dinner with his wife and his wife brought up the conversation that

00:30:35.740 I brought up to him and I said, I think you need to run.

00:30:38.500 And then she's like, he's been talking about it ever since.

00:30:41.300 And you really shook him that day.

00:30:43.180 And it's really got him thinking and praying and all this stuff.

00:30:46.120 Yeah, that's what needs to happen.

00:30:47.940 We need to get certain people that don't want to do it to do the job.

00:30:51.200 It's not supposed to be pretty.

00:30:52.840 It's not supposed to be like, for example, right now, you know, I got guys that say,

00:30:57.040 why are you doing this?

00:30:58.520 You, you made the money.

00:31:00.400 What are you doing?

00:31:01.520 Why are you talking politics?

00:31:03.040 You don't need to talk politics.

00:31:04.360 Why are you putting yourself on the line like this?

00:31:06.140 Why are you doing this?

00:31:07.400 I'm supposed to do it.

00:31:08.700 Because in, in, let's just say if I'm born and raised in Iran and I'm 45 years old in

00:31:14.540 Iran, you would never know who I am.

00:31:17.220 You wouldn't know who I am.

00:31:18.720 Say I was born in Cuba.

00:31:19.800 You would never know who I am.

00:31:21.320 You know, in how many countries they wouldn't know who I am.

00:31:23.720 So let me get this straight in America.

00:31:26.380 You know me because of me being special.

00:31:30.160 Maybe because you know me because America's system is great.

00:31:32.660 The technology is great.

00:31:33.640 The environment is great.

00:31:34.500 And I was able to meet some of the best people that were able to get me going.

00:31:39.220 And with the help of God, introduce me to the right people.

00:31:41.520 Now, you know who I am to the point where you want to sit down and have a conversation

00:31:44.080 with me.

00:31:44.680 Does that make me that special?

00:31:46.580 Did I forget what communities and individuals and crisis and challenges and experiences

00:31:51.340 helped me become me?

00:31:52.800 Am I that quick to forget about?

00:31:54.340 Is that it?

00:31:54.700 So it's all my credit.

00:31:55.460 Oh, I did it.

00:31:55.920 I'm the guy.

00:31:56.320 I'm so special.

00:31:57.180 No.

00:31:57.880 So I think that part where when we say it's tough, it's annoying, it's challenging,

00:32:02.140 it's this, it's that.

00:32:02.900 Yeah, of course.

00:32:03.580 It's supposed to be.

00:32:04.560 And you're the right guy for it.

00:32:06.200 Congratulations.

00:32:07.060 You're qualified.

00:32:08.200 And what do you want me to say?

00:32:09.780 You want me to sit there and say, I feel bad for you?

00:32:11.600 No.

00:32:12.700 There are certain people that are given certain responsibilities and certain talents that,

00:32:20.060 and by the way, I'm not telling you, you better do it or else.

00:32:23.620 This is a decision you've got to make with your wife, with your God, with prayer, yourself,

00:32:27.340 your kids, the people you respect.

00:32:28.680 But just the fact that you're now thinking about it.

00:32:32.120 Oh, I'm not thinking about it.

00:32:33.440 I'm in a much better place for doing what I'm doing now.

00:32:35.620 I totally get it.

00:32:36.080 I think you're making an impact.

00:32:37.240 But all I'm saying, too, is even a guy like you, if a guy like you gets to a place and

00:32:41.340 says, you know what?

00:32:44.040 I'm willing to give four years.

00:32:47.420 Whether you're a Bush or a Kennedy, you read their family's structure and values and principles.

00:32:53.740 You know what both of them have in common?

00:32:55.500 Both families, at one point, say after you make your money, after you've had enough money

00:33:02.340 to retire you, your wife, and your kids, you need to give back to your country.

00:33:06.380 How do you do that?

00:33:07.680 Nonprofit, politics, church, right?

00:33:10.860 Three different ways.

00:33:11.620 But that's a form of public service, politics being one of the three.

00:33:17.120 Patrick, do you think part of the problem is, so you're from Iran. 0.99

00:33:21.760 You've seen the other side.

00:33:23.340 Yep.

00:33:23.960 Konstantin is from Russia.

00:33:25.480 My mom's Venezuelan.

00:33:26.760 I've seen the other side as well.

00:33:29.000 But a lot of people who grew up in this society haven't seen the other side.

00:33:32.780 And do you think that your point of view comes from the fact that you've experienced the horrors

00:33:39.920 of a totalitarian regime, revolution, being in a refugee camp? 0.86

00:33:44.500 So you appreciate this far more than somebody who grew up in this society would.

00:33:48.540 Maybe.

00:33:49.120 Maybe that's what it is.

00:33:50.740 You know, Russia, Venezuela, Iran.

00:33:53.060 Pretty wild when you think about that.

00:33:54.460 Yeah.

00:33:54.680 Most oil in the world, beautiful people, amazing people.

00:33:59.860 And now you've got a guy named Maduro that's doing what he's doing, right?

00:34:02.740 Yeah.

00:34:03.200 Russia, with the amount of history they have with sports, writing, philosophy.

00:34:09.580 And now, you know, I mean, maybe in a better place than where they were 40 years ago, 50

00:34:13.400 years ago, but still.

00:34:14.180 Yeah, I think that is an optic that we have, a lens that maybe others don't have, that we

00:34:23.940 have access to, right?

00:34:25.640 You know, but it's also just as much noble if a guy that came in an environment that maybe

00:34:32.860 wasn't as chaotic, and that person says, I want to contribute in my own way, and I want

00:34:41.220 to use what's been given to me, and I'm still wanting to give back.

00:34:45.880 One doesn't need to be from Venezuela, Russia, or Iran to have that chaotic life to tap into 1.00

00:34:53.380 and say, this is why I'm a, because it's also a way of saying, you know, my life experiences

00:34:58.000 have given me an edge over you to do X, Y, Z.

00:35:00.280 Maybe.

00:35:01.160 I just think it's, you know, a man, a woman, you know, you're by yourself. 0.77

00:35:07.620 I'm in Dallas this week, and I give one of my tougher talks I give to my leaders.

00:35:11.960 And it wasn't the nicest conversation that I had with them.

00:35:17.900 You know, one of the conversations I had with them is, you know, some of these guys are making

00:35:22.640 so much money that now it's about what's the next cool three surgeries to do?

00:35:27.660 Well, I'm getting a such-and-such tuck.

00:35:31.000 I don't even know the amount of surgeries I got.

00:35:32.960 Nowadays, there's so many different ways.

00:35:34.300 I mean, we live in a vain society.

00:35:35.900 I live in Miami, Florida, very vain.

00:35:37.960 Dallas, very vain.

00:35:38.940 LA, very vain.

00:35:40.360 I don't know how it is over there.

00:35:41.520 Here, it's very vain.

00:35:42.800 It's all about how you look.

00:35:44.420 And every other day, new surgeries come out.

00:35:47.360 So, one of the offices and organizations, it's a lot about this.

00:35:53.300 Hey, honey, you got to do this to look good for this.

00:35:55.060 Hey, you got to do this to...

00:35:56.280 Not a fan of that.

00:35:57.820 I'm not a fan.

00:35:58.060 If my wife came home and she's working in your office, and that's the conversation being had

00:36:02.160 with some of the girls because they went out to dinner, I'm not okay with that, okay?

00:36:07.540 And my job is to make my wife happy.

00:36:10.920 My wife's job is to make me happy. 1.00

00:36:12.800 If somebody thinks that's too traditional for you, tune out and go watch something else.

00:36:16.660 I'm not interested in your opinion.

00:36:18.620 But my...

00:36:19.300 Are you married?

00:36:20.240 No.

00:36:20.580 Are you married?

00:36:22.080 Your job...

00:36:22.660 Does your wife make you happy?

00:36:23.920 Yep.

00:36:24.400 Do you make your wife happy?

00:36:25.760 I try.

00:36:26.200 That's all I care about, and that's all needs to be the case, right?

00:36:30.460 So, I sat down and I said, guys, to the same people that are kind of imposing this on other

00:36:36.220 people, I said to them, I said, you know, it's a lot of you guys that are imposing all

00:36:43.220 these different surgeries to do that cost $60,000, $30,000.

00:36:47.460 You guys are the same people that didn't want to take the vaccine.

00:36:51.500 Yeah, but you also didn't take the vaccine.

00:36:53.680 No, I know.

00:36:54.140 I know I didn't take the vaccine.

00:36:55.480 I didn't take the vaccine.

00:36:56.120 My wife didn't. 0.97

00:36:56.720 My kids didn't.

00:36:57.800 My dad did, and he's a super conservative guy, and he took the boosters.

00:37:01.840 So did my nanny.

00:37:03.480 I said, but if you remember when you guys were going through the vaccine debate, I told

00:37:06.240 everybody, the only thing I care about is this.

00:37:08.600 If you think taking the vaccine is the right decision for you and your family, salute.

00:37:13.820 If you think taking a vaccine isn't the right decision for you and your family, salute.

00:37:18.640 But whose decision is it?

00:37:20.000 Yours.

00:37:20.520 Now, we live in America, slightly different in Europe, because you guys were sometimes forced

00:37:24.480 to go through it, or else you couldn't travel, right?

00:37:26.400 Whatever the passport you had to go to show the fact that you're vaccinated.

00:37:30.840 So for you guys, you guys are under a dictatorship.

00:37:33.340 Maybe I can't say that, but essentially, you know, it is what it is.

00:37:36.440 In that respect, it was starting to get radical.

00:37:38.700 Yeah, of course.

00:37:38.900 Okay.

00:37:39.060 So I'm not from that school of thought.

00:37:42.040 I'm from the school of thought of, hey, you want to do it?

00:37:45.220 Great.

00:37:45.440 You don't want to do it?

00:37:46.040 Great.

00:37:46.300 So going back to, you know, the question you're asking, you know, I am more from a place of

00:37:54.800 us not getting so distracted when we make money and all of a sudden we forget about what happened

00:38:00.420 to us, but we can come back and have some kind of public service and contribute, but it needs

00:38:05.140 to be at your level.

00:38:06.840 And because what we're talking about here is the idea of America.

00:38:10.660 And actually, it's the thing that I love most about America is that the idea of the American

00:38:15.440 dream, the possibilities, the fact that you can come here, you can work hard and you can

00:38:20.240 make it, which is unique, it's few other countries have that particular ideology.

00:38:25.840 My concern is, Patrick, is I'm starting to see quite a few people not buy into the idea

00:38:32.460 of America.

00:38:33.500 And America is only as strong as the people who buy into the idea.

00:38:37.720 That is my concern.

00:38:39.080 And it's a valid concern.

00:38:40.680 But that's not how the richest guy in America feels, right?

00:38:45.520 Guy named Milan.

00:38:46.280 He doesn't feel that way.

00:38:47.180 He was so famous, so rich, that he was the modern day Iron Man, that he was even in the

00:38:56.800 movie where Robert Downey Jr. goes and says hello to Ilan because everybody said that's

00:39:00.700 the modern day Iron Man.

00:39:02.640 Every beautiful girl, you know, that was in Hollywood pretty much either wanted to be with 1.00

00:39:08.500 him or was with him or was probably with him and we don't even know about it.

00:39:11.720 I mean, this is Ilan Musk.

00:39:12.500 He's lived an incredible life.

00:39:14.160 He's got nine or 10 kids.

00:39:15.700 With all this stuff that's going on, you choose to go buy a company for $44 billion

00:39:20.240 for what?

00:39:22.640 For freedom of speech?

00:39:24.620 And you put yourself through the mess and what?

00:39:26.720 The valuation drops some 75%.

00:39:29.540 I don't know what it's worth today.

00:39:30.680 $11 billion, $12 billion, give or take whatever the number they claim it is.

00:39:33.920 Maybe it's $20 billion.

00:39:35.720 Why is he doing it?

00:39:37.700 Why is he the most hated guy?

00:39:39.060 And why is he now, when you're getting the EV summit going on in D.C., you invite everybody

00:39:46.380 except this guy.

00:39:47.600 So you don't invite the guy that created all the, you know, you know, the battery and

00:39:51.980 all this stuff.

00:39:52.540 That's the guy you don't invite.

00:39:53.600 Okay.

00:39:54.000 That makes a lot of sense.

00:39:55.200 Well, guess what?

00:39:55.800 The average guy who's a fan of his doesn't support what the White House did and what the

00:40:00.120 government did.

00:40:00.600 I think there's a lot of guys like Elon around and they come in different shapes and sizes.

00:40:06.660 Avengers, they have different kinds of powers and methods of saving the world and essentially

00:40:11.900 saving certain ideas.

00:40:13.340 I think they're all over the place.

00:40:15.500 But I think the ones, to your point, there are a lot of them that don't want the responsibility

00:40:21.140 and pressure of being vocal.

00:40:23.260 I think those are the ones that need to kind of be like, I got to kind of get out there

00:40:27.180 and do a little bit more my own way.

00:40:28.820 The days of being private and quiet 30 years ago and everybody kind of was rich, the people

00:40:34.020 that were rich and they didn't want people to know.

00:40:36.500 If you're rich today, people know you're rich.

00:40:38.200 You can no longer hide today.

00:40:39.560 And Google tells us how rich you are and how much money you got.

00:40:42.300 Today, it's those people that are typically who have been quiet or waking up, which is

00:40:47.420 all a good sign.

00:40:48.840 Complainer.

00:40:49.260 There's always been more complainers than doers.

00:40:51.360 That's not going away.

00:40:52.980 There's always been more complainers than doers.

00:40:55.040 You got four kids.

00:40:56.660 You tell them to make the bed.

00:40:58.500 One of them makes the bed.

00:40:59.560 The other three are like, oh, but give me a break.

00:41:01.420 But the one guy's the leader of the other three.

00:41:03.700 There's always going to be a community that's going to complain.

00:41:06.060 One that's going to be the leader.

00:41:07.260 That's nothing new.

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00:41:39.200 Patrick, and speaking of being a leader, one of the things with the media company, I want

00:41:43.760 to talk a little bit about the stuff you're doing with media.

00:41:46.820 You've made some interesting moves.

00:41:50.480 By the way, when I did your podcast, I was very impressed.

00:41:53.060 You have a great way of managing the team that you have.

00:41:55.700 Everybody knows who everybody is.

00:41:58.320 You're the clear leader, but you don't tread on people.

00:42:00.520 You let people do their thing.

00:42:01.680 It was very impressive.

00:42:02.380 You've, since then, since a year ago, you took on Chris Cuomo, and I hear that you're

00:42:09.020 looking potentially to hire Candace Owens. 1.00

00:42:11.140 Is that true?

00:42:12.060 No.

00:42:12.780 That's a rumor that's circulating.

00:42:14.840 Candace and I are very close.

00:42:17.980 We love what she has to say.

00:42:20.900 But no, I mean, I made a public offer to Tucker.

00:42:23.240 I'm not one that's going to be afraid to say I'm signing somebody.

00:42:25.920 I'm not.

00:42:27.080 If I'm going to sign Candace, you'll know about it.

00:42:29.900 Okay.

00:42:30.140 If I'm going to go out there and make a public offer and money be made, you'll know about

00:42:33.520 it.

00:42:33.640 We said $100 million to Tucker online and equity and all this stuff, and I'm going to be with

00:42:39.420 him tomorrow, actually.

00:42:40.340 It's so funny.

00:42:40.940 I mean, they won't know tomorrow, as of today of tomorrow, not when this thing's going to

00:42:44.300 be released, because I don't know when this is going to be released.

00:42:46.600 But no, I think Candace is a once-in-a-generation type of a talent that gets the people who love 1.00

00:42:56.400 her to follow her, but gets the people who hate her to follow her even more. 1.00

00:43:01.060 You rarely get people like that.

00:43:03.060 People like that are not that common.

00:43:05.860 Tucker's obviously like that.

00:43:08.360 Rogan's like that, but Rogan's loved and liked.

00:43:12.420 Rogan's not the one that's feared.

00:43:14.700 Rogan's loved and liked and respected.

00:43:17.760 You know, Rogan's not trying to get under your skin and create controversy.

00:43:21.620 It's actually not him.

00:43:22.620 No.

00:43:23.040 He's a complete, you know, he's the kind of guy you want as a friend, as an uncle, as

00:43:28.020 a running mate.

00:43:28.680 You're in war and battle buddy.

00:43:29.980 You want a guy like that.

00:43:31.960 But all these guys have different kind of strengths.

00:43:34.040 But Cuomo, for me, was an interesting one, because I got a lot of pushback and criticism

00:43:40.920 for it.

00:43:42.940 But why did I bring Cuomo?

00:43:44.400 Cuomo, we're about to have Dave Smith and Cuomo do a live podcast together.

00:43:51.140 Okay, who wins when that takes place?

00:43:54.240 You know who wins?

00:43:55.340 Not Dave and not Cuomo.

00:43:58.160 This isn't about Dave or Cuomo winning.

00:44:00.660 Who wins?

00:44:01.740 The public wins.

00:44:03.360 Who wins?

00:44:04.480 The people who couldn't see their grandmother for those three years and their six-year-old

00:44:11.960 granddaughter, didn't see grandma before a handful of times, and grandmother died, and 1.00

00:44:17.640 you stole those three beautiful years away from that granddaughter from six to nine.

00:44:22.880 She was accustomed to seeing grandma once a week.

00:44:26.460 Now she only saw her a couple times a year during COVID, and you shut it down.

00:44:31.020 Those people to find out exactly what the hell happened, win.

00:44:35.720 Who loses?

00:44:36.780 The institutions, CDC, World Health Organization, Fauci, any, you know, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer,

00:44:44.780 any of these guys that gaslit and confuse the hell out of a lot of people, those guys

00:44:50.480 lose.

00:44:50.800 So, yeah, if Chris is willing to have the conversation with Dave, we're going to make

00:44:54.820 a lot more controversial hires like that.

00:44:56.980 We're going to make some hires where people are going to say, I knew it.

00:44:59.940 I knew I could count on Patrick to hire the right people. 1.00

00:45:03.120 And then next week, what a piece of shit. 1.00

00:45:05.760 I mean, that's how this thing works. 1.00

00:45:07.260 But I'm good with both.

00:45:08.420 Sure, that makes sense.

00:45:09.780 And what did you, you were quite openly critical of the Daily Wire and the way they treated

00:45:14.360 Candace.

00:45:15.620 What did you make of the way that she left?

00:45:17.480 I wasn't critical of the way they handled Candace. 0.76

00:45:21.560 I was critical on the position you take and yet you flip it where to the world you said,

00:45:30.660 what comes first?

00:45:31.680 Let me unpack that.

00:45:33.380 So, I'm a fan of watching Ben and I'm a fan of watching Candace.

00:45:37.940 And I've had Jordan Peterson on.

00:45:40.000 I've had him on four or five times.

00:45:42.240 Many times.

00:45:43.320 Every time you were Jordan Peterson, you kind of sit there.

00:45:45.640 He's the easiest guy to interview.

00:45:47.480 He's four questions in two hours.

00:45:50.200 That's Jordan.

00:45:50.940 You ask, let her rip, right? 0.59

00:45:52.840 He's like that.

00:45:53.580 Sailor's like, there's a handful of people that are like that, right?

00:45:55.980 Some people are like 60-second answers, 20-second answers, 40-second answers.

00:46:00.180 He just goes.

00:46:00.680 When all of a sudden you started hearing about, hey, you know, Christ is king, you know, Ben Shapiro in the small setting said what he said about, you know, what she said is a, not a travesty, but a disgrace or something.

00:46:18.780 He used some words like that about Candace in a smaller setting.

00:46:21.960 Now, did he know it's being recorded?

00:46:24.120 I don't know.

00:46:24.680 But you're Ben Shapiro.

00:46:26.160 Yeah, just anybody.

00:46:27.300 At any time you're speaking, you have to know someone's recording you, right?

00:46:30.420 Sometimes we forget.

00:46:31.540 Everybody does.

00:46:32.720 But you just have to know you're being recorded.

00:46:34.640 So, we can talk about anything.

00:46:40.860 Well, you can't question that as one of your talents.

00:46:43.400 Yeah.

00:46:44.240 Very obvious.

00:46:45.600 You can't touch the Jewish community, can't talk about it. 1.00

00:46:48.220 And that costs the person the job.

00:46:50.240 Great.

00:46:50.780 That's when I made the comments when I said the daily Jewish wire or the daily Israeli wire, I don't know if that's what you're asking about.

00:46:58.080 I publicly said that multiple times.

00:46:59.980 I'm not, you know, apologizing or changing my position.

00:47:02.860 That's my position, what I said.

00:47:03.980 That's where we know what Ben is ultimate is, okay?

00:47:09.740 To me, I'm America first.

00:47:12.260 I live in America.

00:47:13.700 This is my number one priority.

00:47:15.900 I'm raising my kids here.

00:47:17.660 I'm from Iran.

00:47:18.680 I'm Armenian.

00:47:19.640 And I'm a Syrian.

00:47:20.900 But if you tell me what country matters the most, America matters the most.

00:47:25.120 I don't know if you asked him.

00:47:26.380 We did.

00:47:27.040 And what did he tell you?

00:47:28.060 Well, his argument is there's a couple of pieces to it.

00:47:30.940 Number one, he says that Israel is not something he used to talk about a lot until it happened.

00:47:35.940 And I think he sees Israel as an outpost of Western civilization in the Middle East, which I think is a reasonable point. 1.00

00:47:42.100 And in terms of the candor stuff, we didn't talk about that specifically with him.

00:47:47.000 We talked about it with Andrew Klavan.

00:47:49.060 But what Andrew said is that – and what I think is fair to say is this.

00:47:55.060 If you – one of the things we talked about with him is if you have a company in which there's an ideological viewpoint, which they have.

00:48:04.420 They're a conservative media organization.

00:48:07.400 So, you know, if he was – if Matt Walsh was to come out as pro-trans, they would fire Matt Walsh is the point, right?

00:48:14.920 You're comparing Candace Cohen saying Christ is king?

00:48:19.060 He is comparing, not me.

00:48:20.980 But also, the words themselves –

00:48:24.320 You said –

00:48:25.360 I said that's what he said.

00:48:26.460 He said trans?

00:48:27.880 They used the word specific trans.

00:48:29.120 We talked about this, I think.

00:48:30.920 But are you – it's very important.

00:48:32.380 It's very technical what you're saying right now.

00:48:34.800 So, did he use the analogy –

00:48:36.780 No, I brought that up.

00:48:37.680 That's what I'm saying.

00:48:38.240 If you're saying.

00:48:38.880 So, I'm going to isolate that with you, not him.

00:48:41.080 Okay, fine.

00:48:41.220 Because that's you.

00:48:41.900 Okay.

00:48:42.040 Make your point.

00:48:42.860 So, if the argument is they have a company ideology.

00:48:47.460 They're a conservative organization.

00:48:48.920 Sure.

00:48:49.140 That's what Clayton was talking about.

00:48:51.020 So, if one of their presenters, one of their hosts, came out and said, I'm pro-trans or I'm pro-abortion or whatever, that person wouldn't continue to work in that way.

00:49:00.720 So, I don't remember the exact wording that Andrew used.

00:49:05.820 We have an episode coming out about that before this one.

00:49:08.400 Okay.

00:49:08.600 So, people can go and watch what he said.

00:49:10.440 But it was something along the lines of, I'm not saying she's deeply anti-Semitic in her heart, but some of the things that she was saying either encouraged people to be that way or something along those lines.

00:49:20.640 So, in other words, from, I think, from the Daily Wire's perspective, is this is a misalignment with the core values of their organization.

00:49:29.060 Right?

00:49:29.240 In the same way that being pro-trans or pro-abortion might be.

00:49:31.800 That's their argument.

00:49:32.740 That's your opinion or you're not?

00:49:34.680 Because you said, I think.

00:49:35.020 That is my recollection of the conversation we had with Andrew.

00:49:37.960 Because when I say, I think, that's kind of my opinion.

00:49:40.080 So, then I can rebuttal to your opinion on what you're saying instead of his.

00:49:43.980 But, yeah.

00:49:45.260 I mean, listen.

00:49:46.100 To be fair to Ben.

00:49:47.120 Ben came out and said, we're a publisher.

00:49:50.060 We're not a platform.

00:49:51.260 Right.

00:49:51.520 He's 100% right.

00:49:52.820 Yeah.

00:49:53.360 Of course you're a publisher.

00:49:54.500 He said, we don't have to keep people here.

00:49:57.320 We don't want to.

00:49:58.160 Totally get it.

00:49:59.140 But that position isn't necessarily an anti-conservative position.

00:50:05.500 One would never say Candace is not conservative.

00:50:08.340 Yeah.

00:50:08.600 Candace is a conservative.

00:50:09.620 Yeah.

00:50:12.100 One would never say Candace is anti-freedom of speech, anti-low taxes, low small government. 0.99

00:50:20.840 Candace is all conservative.

00:50:22.840 No.

00:50:23.340 And I believe right now, the last four years, it's been kind of a little bit of a weird climate.

00:50:30.180 Patrick, may I interrupt.

00:50:31.060 I just thought of something else that may be helpful here as well.

00:50:33.680 Right.

00:50:33.800 I think part of it is also, there are people at the Daily Wire like Matt Walsh, who we

00:50:38.220 just mentioned, who is anti the United States, giving support to anybody, including Israel, 0.82

00:50:43.200 including Ukraine, including everybody, who has no problem remaining at the Daily Wire.

00:50:47.760 So I think the issue is the perception of anti-Semitism.

00:50:51.080 Yeah, sure.

00:50:51.540 No, that's a fair point.

00:50:52.740 Sorry to interrupt.

00:50:53.480 No, no.

00:50:53.760 I'm glad you did.

00:50:54.740 So that's a fair point you're making with the position he's in.

00:50:58.400 I think he does a great job, by the way.

00:50:59.880 I think he's got his own unique way of communicating.

00:51:02.320 No, look, Ben has made it clear one topic.

00:51:07.500 But the market's never known this, that you can't question that.

00:51:11.060 It's not like it's in the bylaws.

00:51:13.020 If you work here, you can't make a comment about Israel or questioning Netanyahu or any

00:51:18.740 of this stuff.

00:51:19.280 I don't think that's what it was, because Matt Walsh is still there, right?

00:51:24.200 But Matt, I get that.

00:51:25.460 But Matt Walsh didn't question it at the levels that she did.

00:51:29.640 Matt Walsh didn't go out there and say, you know, going against Schmooley and some of these

00:51:34.800 other guys, having the debate that she was having and calling them out.

00:51:37.780 And she was probably a little bit more vocal and antagonistic. 0.96

00:51:41.020 But that's her style. 1.00

00:51:42.400 You know, when you have a, you talked about sports earlier, certain like Golden State

00:51:46.940 Warriors, Draymond Green, you're either going to protect Draymond Green or you're not.

00:51:50.780 You're either going to defend Conor McGregor, your name is Dana White, or you're not.

00:51:55.240 You're either going to defend Dennis Rodman or you're not.

00:51:58.080 Not everybody can handle players like this.

00:52:00.300 It requires a certain level of coach to know how to work with a Rodman, a Conor McGregor

00:52:05.220 or a, you know, Draymond Green.

00:52:07.600 They're not easy because they're, in a way, they view things in chaotic stuff here and

00:52:14.060 the creative juices are going all the time.

00:52:15.980 But they may have an element, they're a diva. 1.00

00:52:18.900 Yeah, maybe.

00:52:20.000 But that comes with the territory.

00:52:22.100 They also get a lot of eyeballs.

00:52:23.560 They also have a very loyal following.

00:52:24.920 They also have a lot of that stuff going on.

00:52:26.620 Do you think about it like a coach?

00:52:27.820 I, well, you're a CEO, chief executive officer.

00:52:33.160 Dana is a chief executive officer.

00:52:35.620 Yes, that's the job of a CEO.

00:52:37.940 So what you're saying is you can't handle somebody that is a, you know, creative at that level.

00:52:45.100 It's only creatives that are very much a following the rules and guidelines.

00:52:49.840 That's totally fine.

00:52:50.540 You're setting the tone.

00:52:51.720 For example, in the Yankees, I'm a Yankees owner.

00:52:55.220 Okay.

00:52:55.660 I'm a minority owner of the Yankees.

00:52:57.060 What have the Yankees always been known for?

00:52:59.600 Drama free.

00:53:01.160 They don't want this.

00:53:02.280 They don't want that.

00:53:02.780 They don't want that.

00:53:03.520 No problem.

00:53:04.660 You want to be a drama free organization.

00:53:06.700 Cool.

00:53:07.140 Totally get that.

00:53:08.180 But the Bulls, Phil Jackson, he had no problem with that.

00:53:12.140 That's a different model.

00:53:13.260 He could get any of the talent, any coach.

00:53:15.260 This isn't a shot at daily wire of Ben Shapiro.

00:53:18.120 This is just the last, since October 7th and even COVID, everybody's exposed walking around

00:53:25.220 naked today.

00:53:26.300 Everybody is naked today.

00:53:27.860 Okay.

00:53:28.620 Okay.

00:53:28.980 We know where you stand.

00:53:30.100 We know where you stand.

00:53:31.220 We know where you stand.

00:53:32.300 We know where you stand.

00:53:33.340 Cool.

00:53:33.900 Now, at least we know where everybody stands and we get to pivot and adjust.

00:53:37.620 However, having said that, the market is going to answer as well at the end of the day.

00:53:41.820 The market's going to sit there and say, we are with Daily Wire or we're not with Daily

00:53:46.300 Wire.

00:53:46.620 The market's going to sit there and say, we're with Ben Shapiro.

00:53:49.760 We're not with Tucker Carlson.

00:53:51.540 But the market is saying what?

00:53:53.620 We're with Tucker Carlson, questioning certain things.

00:53:57.220 Tucker's blowing up.

00:53:58.880 Tucker's growing.

00:54:00.420 Tucker stuff is going all over the place.

00:54:02.020 Why?

00:54:03.140 Because maybe the market is also willing to question certain things that are just flat

00:54:07.220 out weird.

00:54:08.240 Or maybe the market likes craziness and outrage and heat.

00:54:12.980 You think Tucker's craziness, outrage and heat?

00:54:14.800 Oh, 100%. 0.88

00:54:15.380 So you think he's crazy?

00:54:16.600 I don't think he's crazy.

00:54:17.600 I think when he goes to Russia and he's amazed by shopping carts, I think he's just lying to

00:54:22.660 people.

00:54:23.060 I think when he says food is cheaper in Russia, when it's not for the ordinary Russians, three, 0.99

00:54:27.500 four, five times more expensive.

00:54:28.960 Right.

00:54:29.260 I think he's misrepresenting reality.

00:54:31.100 But what I think you just did right there, what I just think you did right there, have

00:54:35.580 you done a video reacting to that or no?

00:54:37.340 Yes.

00:54:37.940 And you've broken down what he said?

00:54:39.480 Yes.

00:54:39.880 Guess what?

00:54:40.260 I'm interested in that.

00:54:41.420 Okay.

00:54:41.800 And by the way, I don't have a problem with that.

00:54:44.000 But I don't call that craziness.

00:54:46.020 You know what?

00:54:47.080 I totally respect that you picked me up on that.

00:54:48.760 It's not crazy.

00:54:49.780 It's just misleading and misrepresenting.

00:54:52.100 But I enjoy listening to you.

00:54:53.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:53.980 I told you that.

00:54:54.540 I called you.

00:54:55.240 I wanted to sign you.

00:54:56.380 So it's not like this is a, you need to know I see you as a talent.

00:55:00.220 I appreciate that.

00:55:01.120 But what I want is I want to hear you and I want to hear him.

00:55:04.380 Yeah.

00:55:04.780 That's how I get smarter.

00:55:05.960 Right.

00:55:06.500 This is why I've always liked in my business to have a board because in the board meeting,

00:55:11.000 like you said, we got seven board members.

00:55:12.480 Okay.

00:55:12.960 I'm the CEO.

00:55:14.060 Okay.

00:55:14.920 Guys, I have an idea.

00:55:16.180 What's that?

00:55:17.000 I want to do that.

00:55:17.800 I don't know.

00:55:18.700 I don't know.

00:55:18.900 I don't know.

00:55:19.420 Can you go to the next slide?

00:55:20.760 And we're going to do this on the next slide.

00:55:22.000 And then also I see three guys going like this.

00:55:24.360 Next slide.

00:55:25.020 Next slide.

00:55:25.500 Next slide.

00:55:25.900 Okay.

00:55:26.940 Where are my blind spots?

00:55:28.560 Well, I don't think this is going to work.

00:55:29.600 Tell me why.

00:55:30.260 Da-da-da-da-da. 0.90

00:55:31.140 Good point.

00:55:31.740 Let me write it up on the wall.

00:55:32.960 Who else is with him?

00:55:34.440 I also don't think it's going to work.

00:55:35.580 Who else is with him?

00:55:36.780 I also think that.

00:55:37.500 Who else is with him?

00:55:38.540 I also. 1.00

00:55:38.960 Shit. 1.00

00:55:39.460 Four, three. 1.00

00:55:40.340 Who thinks this could work?

00:55:41.720 I think it could work and da-da-da-da-da.

00:55:43.280 Who else?

00:55:43.720 Okay.

00:55:45.080 Did anybody here change any of your minds?

00:55:47.120 Well, that was actually a really good point.

00:55:48.300 So now it's three and a half, three and a half.

00:55:49.860 Let's hash it out.

00:55:51.080 And then let's go.

00:55:52.000 Right.

00:55:52.600 But for me to say, oh, you get out.

00:55:55.720 Come on, man.

00:55:56.360 I mean, you know, that's not freedom of speech.

00:55:59.700 We were just about to get to a bottom for us to clash of ideas uncomfortable.

00:56:04.540 This is not easy.

00:56:05.660 So to me, that's the difference.

00:56:07.540 Because I do think a Tucker plays a role. 0.96

00:56:11.860 And I do think Ben plays a role.

00:56:13.800 You know, I wanted to have both of them on.

00:56:15.920 But Ben, you know, I've invited Ben.

00:56:17.860 Ben, the last time I interviewed Ben was when he was in LA, seven, eight years ago.

00:56:23.240 We had to sit down.

00:56:24.300 He invited me.

00:56:24.940 He's down the street.

00:56:26.380 I wanted to have him on to do a couple of debates.

00:56:29.000 Ben doesn't come down to want to do debates.

00:56:31.100 But I'd like to have these types of conversations to see what takes place.

00:56:34.460 I know he said no to Candace's request because Candace's initial request was me moderating

00:56:41.020 the debate with the two.

00:56:41.940 And he says, why would I do that after he called us a daily Jewish wire and daily Israeli wire?

00:56:46.540 By the way, good point.

00:56:48.600 Go pick somebody else.

00:56:50.100 But I wanted to see the debate.

00:56:51.360 Now we're being told by Greenwald or whoever it was that came out saying the fact that

00:56:56.720 they used that as a way to put a gag order on Candace. 1.00

00:56:59.780 If any of that stuff comes out that's true, that's very deceptive and manipulative to use

00:57:05.180 Twitter to get her to respond to book a debate and then to say later on that's a gag order.

00:57:10.100 If it's true.

00:57:10.740 If it's true.

00:57:11.060 Would you agree that's a manipulative, deceptive way?

00:57:12.740 If it's true.

00:57:13.500 Of course.

00:57:13.700 Would you say it is, though?

00:57:14.820 If, of course.

00:57:15.640 Well, let's find out what happens with the market.

00:57:17.020 Let's find out.

00:57:17.460 Yeah.

00:57:17.980 Patrick, we're running out of time.

00:57:19.680 It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show.

00:57:22.020 As you know, the last question we always ask before we go to locals where we ask our

00:57:25.960 supporters questions is what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society that

00:57:29.840 we really should be?

00:57:30.960 Before Patrick answers the final question at the end of the interview, click the link in

00:57:36.060 the description where you'll be able to see this.

00:57:39.140 Would Patrick look to return to Persia to help the Shah to kickstart its economy?

00:57:43.860 Do you think the addition of Chris Cuama has helped or hurt the brand?

00:57:47.840 But you know what I like about RFK?

00:57:48.980 The other day, I haven't told the story publicly.

00:57:51.200 It's the first time I'm telling the story.

00:57:53.020 It's so funny.

00:57:53.860 We started with it and I'm going to end with it.

00:57:56.140 Go study the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.

00:57:59.260 Go watch the documentary The Last Century.

00:58:02.500 Go find out what are some of these 6,000 patents that have been kept from us.

00:58:06.280 And why is that?

00:58:07.340 All I'm going to tell you is I don't need to say anything else, but just go Google

00:58:11.200 Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.

00:58:14.560 Watch The Last Century.

00:58:18.260 I don't own this documentary.

00:58:19.620 I'm not the EP.

00:58:21.060 None of that stuff.

00:58:22.120 But I think we need to pay a little bit more attention to inventors and creators that came

00:58:27.060 up with some solutions that would save us a lot of money and change many people's lives

00:58:31.760 that those inventions are being kept to themselves.

00:58:35.000 I want to know why.

00:58:36.500 Head on over to Locals where we ask Patrick your questions.

00:58:40.580 How do you feel about American interventionism, especially as an American veteran whose family

00:58:45.540 was forced to flee their home country?

00:58:47.060 Do you think Israel plays any specific role in the influence of this distinctive Middle

00:58:51.780 Eastern dysfunction of American foreign policy?

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Why I Don’t Trust the Establishment - Patrick Bet-David

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