TRIGGERnometry - You Are Being Brainwashed - Duncan Trussell

00:00:01.000 We're putting profit over humanity.

00:00:06.240 How do we quantify motherhood? 0.98

00:00:08.880 Imagine if your mother, at the end of your life, wrote you a bill.

00:00:13.520 How much would a mother charge? What's the value of a mother? 1.00

00:00:16.640 Capitalism and motherhood don't seem to go very well together,

00:00:19.360 because how do you quantify unconditional love?

00:00:22.160 Why is Donald Trump acting like our dad? 0.98

00:00:25.800 Why is Kamala Harris acting like our drunk f***ing stepmom? 1.00

00:00:30.680 We don't need them. 0.98

00:00:32.200 We need each other directly around us, the people here.

00:00:35.560 And I'm just saying they're not the ones coming to save you.

00:00:38.360 It's your neighbors who you're going to when the power goes up.

00:00:43.240 Duncan, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.

00:00:45.800 Thank you.

00:00:46.360 It's such an interesting time.

00:00:48.120 I'm seeing people losing their mind over jokes, people getting angry.

00:00:53.640 Yes.

00:00:54.120 Presidents commenting on it.

00:00:55.560 And I'm thinking, what is going on?

00:00:57.720 Crazy. It's crazy.

00:00:59.880 Yeah, it's wild.

00:01:00.680 It's a wild moment.

00:01:02.440 It's always like this every four years.

00:01:04.760 You know, people seem to forget that every four years,

00:01:07.160 the whole country kind of goes nuts.

00:01:10.440 It's really like a terrible kind of national menstrual cycle.

00:01:17.800 It's really brutal though.

00:01:19.480 I think, you know, obviously anyone who's in America,

00:01:22.040 if he was living in America right now is being subjected to incredible amounts of propaganda.

00:01:28.840 And I'm talking about like historic levels of propaganda.

00:01:31.560 Because I think in considering why, that's what you're talking about.

00:01:35.480 Why? It's a good thing to wonder about.

00:01:38.040 Why?

00:01:39.080 It's the United States of America, theoretically united.

00:01:42.440 We're united.

00:01:43.160 And yet, we are being just shotgun blasted in the amygdala

00:01:50.920 with so much hyper-sophisticated, hardcore propaganda,

00:01:57.800 cooked up by people who've spent their entire lives studying how to hack human consciousness.

00:02:04.760 Studying exactly how to implant into people's minds seeds that grow into words,

00:02:11.480 that feel like they're based on some kind of autonomous self.

00:02:16.040 And which is why you sort of run into the invasion of the body snatchers

00:02:21.480 experience online, where you realize people are not just saying the same idea,

00:02:28.440 they're saying the same sentence over and over and over again.

00:02:31.800 And it creates a real eerie sense when you look at it holistically,

00:02:36.680 which is like, it doesn't seem very normal or human,

00:02:40.360 that so many people are saying identical phrases over and over and over again.

00:02:44.520 And then when you look into that, and you realize, oh, of course,

00:02:48.600 this is teams of volunteers and paid people on both sides of the political spectrum,

00:02:56.440 and not even on both sides of the political spectrum, but from other countries,

00:03:01.320 who are actively firing these propaganda weapons into the psyche of Americans to try to warp their

00:03:11.240 perception in a way that produces a result that doesn't benefit anyone in the way that the people

00:03:17.720 think it's going to benefit when they vote. I mean, that's the really sad thing to me. I mean,

00:03:21.640 I don't mean to make it very cynical or anything like that, but it appears that a vast amount of

00:03:31.080 the money that we pay via taxes doesn't even go into the country. And so there is something really

00:03:41.960 sinister about that. But I think it's good, like if you're out there and your friends have gone nuts

00:03:46.920 and you've been getting ear beatings, I think this is where you kind of find a place to be

00:03:51.160 compassionate with people because no one in the history of humanity that I'm aware of, there's

00:03:57.880 never been a time where this much propaganda from so many different sources has been injected into

00:04:03.400 the consciousness of people. Yeah. And it's interesting because you walk around and like,

00:04:11.960 maybe it's me projecting, maybe it's me spending too much time on X or whatever it is. And I,

00:04:17.080 but I just feel like there's an edge. There's an edge. You know why you think that? Because you're

00:04:22.200 a racist fucking Nazi. 1.00

00:04:23.800 You know what I mean? That's why. And no, there is an edge and it's an edge and there should be an 1.00

00:04:31.720 edge. The edge is happening because there's a ghost story being told. We have two incredible

00:04:38.200 storytellers. This is the, whoever's running these campaigns. They're good at telling stories. This is

00:04:45.080 how you sell a product is you tell a story about it, you know, whatever the thing is. You ever seen

00:04:49.560 The Pervert's Guide to Ideology, Zizek? You ever seen that? No. Oh, it's so funny. It's good. 1.00

00:04:57.000 But you know, he's like out in the desert or something with a Coca-Cola, but a can of Coke,

00:05:02.840 and he drinks it. And he's just like, it's not very good if it's not cold. It's just this sweet

00:05:11.240 shit that if it's cold, it's okay. But look at a Coca-Cola commercial. They, they, the story they 1.00

00:05:17.160 tell about Coca-Cola, at least in this commercial is that you are going to have a peak experience.

00:05:21.640 They're trying to pair this. I think it's the one he shows is like a rave or something. I mean,

00:05:26.600 it is the greatest night of somebody's life and they're drinking Coke. You bring these two things

00:05:31.080 together. And now instead of just having some syrupy brown shit that tastes good when it's cold, 0.99

00:05:36.680 nice with whiskey, you've got like the key to liberation, freedom, your true self, actualization, 0.99

00:05:44.120 getting laid. And so that's the story that you do when you're doing branding. And so you've got,

00:05:49.400 when you hear about the money that pours into these campaigns on both sides and the donations,

00:05:55.480 the money from corporations, the money coming in from unknown sources, all of that money goes to

00:06:03.080 cooking up a story, a big story and little stories week to week. And those are ghost stories that we're

00:06:08.520 being told right now. The story is one of peril, one of apocalypse, one, both sides are telling the

00:06:14.680 same story. And the story is, this is the end of America. If this person gets elected, say goodbye to

00:06:21.320 everything you've known. Well, by the time people are watching this,

00:06:24.760 one of the two people has been elected. We don't yet know how the elections turned out as we're

00:06:28.680 recording this. So the America is over. Yeah. The irony is people are like listening to this

00:06:34.360 in nuclear waste. They were right. Well, they need entertainment, right? But I thought you made a

00:06:40.200 really interesting point right at the beginning. And I've been thinking about this a lot, which is,

00:06:45.080 you know, some people will be like, what do you mean the most propaganda ever? What about the

00:06:48.440 Soviet? What about Nazi Germany? What about, but actually in terms of quantity, there has never been a

00:06:54.680 time when somebody would have been consuming propaganda of one kind or another for like

00:07:01.080 eight hours a day, which is what most people now do. Yes. In the thirties, yes, there was a lot of

00:07:07.640 brainwashing going on, but that was the radio. Maybe a little bit of television starting to come

00:07:13.080 through, right? Newspapers. Yeah. So what would a normal person do? They'd pick up a newspaper in the

00:07:18.280 morning. They'd glance through a few headlines. They'd maybe have the radio on while they're making dinner

00:07:22.920 or something. By the time TV comes along, you'd maybe watch an hour or two of TV before you go to

00:07:27.560 bed, right? Nowadays, that whole, you're getting eight, 10 hours. And as you say, it has been very

00:07:34.600 carefully, not just made and designed, but it's been selected by an algorithm that knows exactly what

00:07:40.280 you like and more importantly, exactly what you hate. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the other

00:07:45.320 reason it's completely different is because, um, though I do think throughout, since the invention

00:07:55.320 of the printing press, people have read this or that that they called the news and thought,

00:08:02.120 well, that is real. And if like in their own minds sort of simulated some version of the world based on

00:08:07.160 the data they got from 2D space versus like data you get from 3D space. Um, but I think the difference

00:08:15.720 is that because like you said, someone in the 30s, I mean, when you were walking around in the 30s,

00:08:24.120 40s, 50s, you would see people looking at their newspaper, but you wouldn't be like in a conversation

00:08:31.480 with somebody and they pull the newspaper out. They weren't getting alerts from their newspaper.

00:08:38.200 Oh shit, breaking news. Right. So you would, it was sort of modulated day to day. Every new issue, 1.00

00:08:44.200 it sort of moved the story forward a little bit. Now we're getting, uh, stroboscopic news and it's

00:08:50.520 insidious news. And that's another important factor that people really need to understand is that, um,

00:08:56.680 maybe you're at a cafe, you're in France in the 30s and somebody comes and sits down with you

00:09:05.240 and starts talking about Germany, starts talking about whatever the news is of the day.

00:09:12.760 One thing that will not cross your mind is, is this a robot? And the other thing that's happening is

00:09:18.440 because we've begun to equate our interactions online and with this being actual community. And also we've all

00:09:25.800 made the normal human assumption that the people we're talking to are not large language models or

00:09:32.920 not AIs or not robots. Uh, it's way more insidious because it's not only, I mean, sure there were,

00:09:39.800 there's always been shells. There's always been people who during a protest will instigate and, and, and

00:09:47.800 make the protest turn violent. That's a classic technique. But the idea that you can create,

00:09:55.640 essentially golems, you can create essentially these artificial intelligences that tune into key

00:10:03.320 phrases, go into a thread, derail the thread with an agenda, an intent to point the thread in a

00:10:11.240 different direction that matches your corporate goal or state goal is brand new and incredibly insidious.

00:10:21.320 And so it would be easy if you weren't attuned to what's happening in the world right now to have

00:10:28.200 an idea of reality completely separate from what reality actually is. Because the moment you start

00:10:34.440 thinking 2d space in your phone matches 3d space, then that means that the entire landscape of people's

00:10:43.160 subjective universe could be completely warped, transformed, changed by data wizards, essentially,

00:10:52.920 who are just intentionally manipulating people, uh, without telling them. And there's no regulation

00:11:00.280 for that. There's no regulation. There's no, like, why would it be that, like, if I, if you like, you do an

00:11:07.320 ad on Instagram or something, you don't say it's an ad. I think it's illegal. Like, I don't think you can do

00:11:12.040 that. It's illegal. You're in trouble. So why would it be that if you are a volunteer for a political

00:11:17.320 organization or for a state entity fulfilling some goal, some state political corporate agenda

00:11:24.600 via, like, information that you don't have to have on there, you're getting paid by this group of

00:11:29.720 people? It's not, that seems like something that should be regulated way before you start trying to

00:11:34.680 regulate. I'm not saying regulate speech. I'm saying identify

00:11:39.720 corporatists or statists who are spreading propaganda so that at least people can

00:11:45.160 understand that whatever they're hearing

00:11:47.480 might have an agenda to it other than what the person is, like, stating.

00:11:51.000 Right. And foreign bots, especially, or foreign organizations and other countries that are really trying to do a lot of that.

00:11:57.320 And it just, you just see how much,

00:11:59.480 I'm sure people have always been like this, but it just feels like there's a such a lemming effect. 0.99

00:12:05.000 Like during the election we saw, you know, Tony Hinchcliffe opens with some jokes at a Trump rally.

00:12:11.480 And it's front page news. You've got a comedian made some jokes.

00:12:15.320 Right.

00:12:15.960 This is front page news in a country that's got massive economic problems. It's got an immigration 1.00

00:12:21.880 border, all kinds of shit, healthcare. Like we can go down the list of actual real issues. 1.00

00:12:27.000 Comedian made some jokes at a rally.

00:12:29.160 Well, I, you know, I think if you think of it more in terms of like a ball has landed in some nice,

00:12:35.240 soft, wet grass and a dog sees the ball, grabs the ball and runs with it.

00:12:41.320 So when you consider that this, those jokes, like if, so like, if you're looking to sort of,

00:12:52.200 it seems like the angle that they're, they're taking right now, the ghost story they're telling 0.99

00:12:58.280 is that half of our country is fascist garbage. Half of the country doesn't care about the 0.99

00:13:08.760 environment. Half of the country are compassionless

00:13:12.680 beasts, monster. I mean, the president United States said they're garbage. So this is the picture 1.00

00:13:18.280 you're wanting to paint, not just because you, you're looking, you're not looking for the garbage 0.99

00:13:26.040 monster vote there. The garbage is already voted. What you're looking, what you're looking to do there 1.00

00:13:33.640 is alienation. So the idea would be, do you really want to be garbage? Do you really want to be like 0.98

00:13:41.080 part of a fascist, neo-fascist American movement? If you're on the fence,

00:13:47.880 if you're on the fence, how could you even be on the fucking fence? 1.00

00:13:50.760 Well, you are a fascist if you're on the fence. 1.00

00:13:52.360 If you're on the fence, you're a fascist. And so what you're hoping to do there is like any outliers, 0.99

00:13:57.160 anybody who's like somehow still undecided, you want to shame them into the correct vote, right?

00:14:04.680 And so to do that, you want to paint half of the country as either sort of fascists, 1.00

00:14:12.360 pre-fascists, uh, idiots, gullible fools taken in by a maniacal psychopath. And, um, and so then 1.00

00:14:22.200 Tony does this joke, which if you've ever gone to any comedy show, if you've ever seen Tony roast

00:14:27.400 anybody, it's just like a basic roast joke, you know, non-complex, simple. And in Kill Tony, it would,

00:14:34.360 it would do good. And like, whatever, you know, if you know, Tony, as we do, one of the sweetest

00:14:40.840 people we've ever met, I'm sorry if that fucks up your thing, Tony, but he's so sweet. 1.00

00:14:45.320 Nah, he's a cunt. 1.00

00:14:48.200 No, he's not. Listen, we're going to save his reputation. 1.00

00:14:51.400 Yeah, he's a little demon, a little demon. He murders, he murders like small animals in the 1.00

00:14:57.800 green room and laughs. He paints his face with their blood. But so, so. 0.98

00:15:02.520 That's probably a protected characteristic by now, lack of religion of some sort.

00:15:06.200 Yeah. Man, the main thing is,

00:15:10.600 I think if you like zoom out a little bit, if you zoom out just a little bit and look at

00:15:17.400 a few different aspects of what happened, one thing is like, this got the ball and the dog in this case

00:15:25.400 is the DNC propaganda, the arm of the DNC that wanted, that this helps them confirm

00:15:31.880 via some kind of, I don't remember, I don't know what the philosophical, and I always hate it when

00:15:36.360 people like, are like, that's an ad hominem attack, but what is it, a red herring or something?

00:15:40.920 Like basically, you take four minutes of stand up from a roast comedian known for that,

00:15:47.320 and then you apply that to the entire, half the country must be like that, and that's who they

00:15:51.640 really are. Well, it's ridiculous. I mean, and it's also like very condescending to all sides of the 0.98

00:15:58.520 argument. It's very condescending that you expect an irrational, logical adult to imagine that because

00:16:03.800 a comedian who, on any show, you don't want to go first, but at a Trump political rally to follow 0.98

00:16:10.920 the fucking national anthem and try to do stand up, oh, this is like a fever dream. This is something 0.99

00:16:17.320 you wake up from screaming if you're a comedian, but regardless, to take that and then use that

00:16:23.240 as a way to paint entire groups of people, many of which are Latino people, as being

00:16:32.920 fascist or whatever, is just, I think, fairly irrational and incredibly sad and doesn't do

00:16:44.680 anything for the greater good, if you ask me. It just perpetuates a ghost story and it asks people

00:16:50.040 to ignore their rational mind. And so that to me is the main thing. I think that if you really want

00:16:57.800 to cut to the core of why everyone's acting so weird right now, it's because both sides of

00:17:02.840 the fence seem very comfortable in inviting us to disregard our rational mind. And this is what

00:17:10.600 they do in any cult. In any cult, that part of you that is still, what do they call it? The small,

00:17:16.600 the still quiet voice, that part of you, they want to encourage you to stifle that.

00:17:23.320 And because that voice will say things that go, if you're on the right, it'll say things that might go

00:17:27.880 against what the right wants you to think or what you equate with team right. If you're on the left,

00:17:34.520 that voice starts speaking up. You want to suppress it because it, you don't want to be a Nazi. You

00:17:41.560 want to be a good person. And on the right, you don't want to be a global elite pedophile.

00:17:48.840 Right. So, so on both sides, you're being invited to disregard what is the most important aspect of

00:17:58.040 being human and what makes you not an animal. And then you factor in, it's not just politically,

00:18:03.400 but people when they're in their family situations, when they're with friends, even with relationships,

00:18:08.040 they're going, well, I can't say what I really think because I know that they will alienate

00:18:12.360 this person. And then my relationship's going to end. My family are going to hate me. We saw this time

00:18:18.040 and time again with people essentially cutting off ties with family members because of Brexit,

00:18:24.600 the vaccine, Trump. And you're going, this is lunacy. The most important thing that you have

00:18:30.200 is connection, is your family, all your loved ones. That's right. And your community. And really,

00:18:37.000 like, you sort of, what ends up happening here is the classic set of conditions for

00:18:47.800 a cult. And the set of, so if like you're wanting to, or an abusive relationship.

00:18:54.280 Abusive relationships are incredibly similar to cults actually, which is you want to isolate,

00:19:00.040 you want to gaslight, you want to essentially replace this person's subjective experience of

00:19:09.880 reality with a simulated experience of reality. You're telling them, I mean, this is the classic

00:19:16.360 Orwell, what is it? One plus one is three. One plus one. Two plus two is five. Two plus two is five.

00:19:21.480 That's actually, it's one plus one is three. He was wrong. But you, yeah, so that is what is going

00:19:30.040 on. And the last thing that you want, if you're trying to cast this subjective distortion spell

00:19:36.920 on somebody, the last thing that you want is for them to go to their friend and be like, hey, dude,

00:19:41.240 two plus two is five, actually. Because their friends are like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:19:45.880 Who told you that? Oh, this guru that I met told me two plus two is five. Well, he's an idiot. It's, 1.00

00:19:54.520 everyone knows two plus two is three. But you know what I'm saying?

00:19:59.080 Yeah, absolutely.

00:20:00.280 So, of course you would want to make people turn their backs on their families, on their loved ones,

00:20:09.160 on anyone other than whatever the particular team is that you're a part of. 0.99

00:20:15.080 And you want them to do that not because you give a fuck about them. You want them to do that 0.96

00:20:19.320 because you can't successfully execute the propaganda campaign if they have anybody outside

00:20:24.280 of the Galapagos island of data that you're trying to create to produce these mutant status propagandized 0.69

00:20:35.640 people. And that's ridiculous. It's ridiculous and sad and scary. And, and, but also the other problem 0.95

00:20:43.320 is that there's so many people right now who are looking at the left and are looking at the right. 1.00

00:20:50.280 And they're saying, oh, what the fuck is wrong with these idiots? How do you get so brainwashed? 1.00

00:20:55.080 Are you out of your fucking mind? Don't you understand that you are supporting the military 1.00

00:21:00.040 industrial complex? Don't you understand you're going to get people killed? Don't you understand 0.63

00:21:04.360 they don't give a fuck about you? You get mad. But it's like, man, these people, and this is where 1.00

00:21:11.800 it gets so sad. These people legitimately want the world to be better. These are people who have

00:21:21.480 kindness, compassion in them. They have humanist ideals. Maybe some of it's utopian humanism,

00:21:27.480 maybe some of it's idiot compassion, but their compassion impulse, that basic human impulse to 0.98

00:21:34.360 help has been hijacked by the state and, and, and, and warped in this terrible way where the idea is we 0.99

00:21:43.160 only are compassionate to people within this zone. To be compassionate to that person is to collude

00:21:51.240 with a Nazi. Were you going to be compassionate with Hitler? Or, oh really? So you're going to be 0.89

00:21:57.880 compassionate with some trans pedo? That's who you're going to be compassionate to? I guess you're 0.98

00:22:03.000 fucking one of them. They deserve nothing more than rejection. You know what I mean? Both sides, 1.00

00:22:08.440 the language that gets used, all of it is warped distortions that have nothing to do with legitimate

00:22:15.320 direct encounters with human beings. And so in that, we are robbed of our ability

00:22:19.640 responsibility to have, um, to express compassion universally. And in that we have been essentially

00:22:28.920 taken over by, um, um, a demonic, I don't think it's literally demonic, but I would say like,

00:22:35.960 if like in a, in a fantasy book, if there was something that could get in your head and make you 0.99

00:22:41.880 think that not everyone deserves compassion, only the people who agree with you, then you're a fucking 1.00

00:22:47.000 demon possessed person. I was looking at the Tony joke situation and I was thinking, 1.00

00:22:55.560 do you think part of the reason we get so inflamed by a joke, because the people wouldn't do it if we

00:23:01.000 didn't react, is because it's such a small, simple thing. And the solution to a lot of people is very

00:23:09.960 easy. We cancel the comedian. It goes away. Whereas it's more, far more difficult to get

00:23:17.160 angry and enraged about an issue that is more complicated because it's not simple. It's more

00:23:23.880 nuanced. So therefore what we can all do is channel our rage, channel that demonic rage at a figure like

00:23:31.160 Tony, because it's simple. He made a racist joke, destroy him. 0.99

00:23:36.680 Tony. Okay. Yeah. I would say this, picture this. I'm going to invent a fantasy creature. Okay. 0.99

00:23:41.400 Picture this. There's a creature, the creature. I don't know. Just I'm, I'm in the Elden Ring.

00:23:45.960 I'm picturing it like an Elden Ring style creature. It's really creepy. A big dark robe with lots of

00:23:50.520 weird spindly arms that stick out of it. Right now, uh, what this creature does is the moment that people

00:23:58.760 realize that's a fucking monster. One of those spindly arms produces a brand new mass that it pokes out of 0.99

00:24:04.120 its robe and it brings the mask over here and people start attacking the fucking mask like a 0.99

00:24:09.880 matador style. Like, you know, the, the weird red thing that bulls apparently hate. So this, if I can 0.99

00:24:17.240 do this and make people just cut off my appendages that regrow instead of attacking me, the monster,

00:24:23.640 then I can avoid people attacking me. So I would say what you're looking at in all forms of this,

00:24:30.280 and I think it's really important to understand that it is simple. It isn't complex. The thing

00:24:38.520 wants to seem more complex than it, than it actually is. But I think you have to base everything on like

00:24:44.280 actual value. Like what has real value in the world? What has value in the world? And I think

00:24:50.200 like what has real value in the world and people will mock this and jeer at me or whatever. I would say

00:24:56.120 like an important good thing is to try to reduce the number of babies that get blown up. I don't

00:25:04.360 think you should argue with that. If people do argue with that, like if like we're sitting down,

00:25:08.200 like, okay, what do we work on first? Let's try not to blow up as many babies. And someone's like,

00:25:12.440 you know what? Actually, I think we need to, we need to start dealing more with like carbon emissions

00:25:17.480 than like directly stopping the explosion of innocent babies. That person's like got their priorities

00:25:23.560 mixed up. Like we got to deal with like the basic violence that goes along when, with, um, having,

00:25:31.640 um, a military industrial complex, uh, that is, uh, being funded by taxpayers to execute, um,

00:25:43.560 things overseas that, um, that I'm not sure directly benefit the people who are paying for the 0.99

00:25:51.640 fucking thing. To me, that's the main thing. And I don't care who is behind the wheel. I think we 0.99

00:25:56.680 have to first look at that. Like we have to stop this war situation. We have to stop blowing people 0.71

00:26:01.880 up. We have to stop killing people. All the other socialist stuff, capitalist stuff, libertarian stuff

00:26:07.240 aside, there's just a basic connection to humanity that feels like it's been lost a little bit in the

00:26:14.440 alleged complexity, which doesn't seem very complex to me. You know, the, the, the, the,

00:26:24.280 you know, you ever read Diogenes? No. So he had this idea of, um,

00:26:29.080 there's a lot of critiques against him. He was a cynic, uh, Diogenes, um,

00:26:34.840 I guess I'll lead with the bad shit he did. He would jerk off in publishing. 1.00

00:26:39.160 So he's a comedian. Diogenes would jerk off in publishing. 0.99

00:26:45.800 And he had a great saying about that because obviously people complained. He said, 0.97

00:26:49.560 if only I could deal with my hunger by rubbing my belly, how great that would be. You know,

00:26:57.880 he was a funny guy, but he was also loved by Alexander the Great. And he was a great,

00:27:02.680 great philosopher who, uh, called himself a cosmopolite. He thought that it's important to

00:27:10.840 no longer identify with the state country of origin, but rather to recognize that you are a

00:27:15.160 citizen of planet earth, not in some hippie cheesy way, but literally we are on a planet that we all

00:27:21.400 share together. But also, uh, the, the Greek roots of that could also mean literally the galaxy.

00:27:27.800 So this, uh, fixation on the, uh, identity as being localized within the state or city or country

00:27:40.920 creates a distortion in what we actually are, which is we are born onto a planet with borders created

00:27:50.280 by people we'll never meet or dead. And within these borders, you have cultural sort of, um,

00:27:59.400 you have traditions within these borders and these traditions, that's what Diogenes was mocking.

00:28:04.360 He was like, he was saying, this is absolutely insane that we are fighting over these, uh,

00:28:12.120 traditions and ways of being that don't reflect nature, which was his big thing was to harmonize

00:28:18.440 with nature. And which is why Alexander the Great loved him. And there's so many awesome stories

00:28:24.760 about like the many disses he gave to power, like Alexander the Great encounters him on the street,

00:28:30.840 on the road. And these could be all myth, but supposedly Alexander the Great says to him,

00:28:37.720 I will give you anything you want, whatever you want, I will give you as a great emperor.

00:28:41.800 And he said, can you move a little to the left? You're blocking my son.

00:28:47.080 And you know, this was this big, fuck you to power. And, and, and, and that fuck you to power, 1.00

00:28:52.760 that fuck you to the peacocking pomposity of people who have established themselves as the shepherds of 1.00

00:29:01.240 humanity who wear their costumes and parade about with their proclamations regarding what we need, 1.00

00:29:09.240 that we depend on them. This paternalistic fucking relationship with humanity. That is what needs 0.99

00:29:17.640 to be rejected. And it is that paternalistic hierarchical relationship with hypnotic power

00:29:24.520 mongers that is causing all the problems. They're not our daddy. You'll never meet them. Why is Donald

00:29:32.040 Trump acting like our dad? Why is Kamala Harris acting like our drunk fucking step-mom? We don't 1.00

00:29:39.880 need them. That's the bottom line. We need each other directly around us, the people here. And

00:29:46.280 it's not fucking Kamala Harris wasn't the one setting up tables of fucking food in North Carolina 1.00

00:29:53.880 when all the shit got washed away. Donald Trump wasn't out there fucking hauling lumber. 1.00

00:29:59.480 You know what I mean? And I don't think we should expect either of them to do that. I'm just saying 0.99

00:30:03.720 they're not the ones coming to save you. It's your neighbors who you're going to when the power goes

00:30:08.440 out. And people have forgotten that. And, and people are turning to the state and some desperate,

00:30:14.360 pathetic hope that the state is going to rescue them from some perceived threat. They don't know their

00:30:21.000 fucking neighbors' names. Like, come on, man. Get your priorities straight. 1.00

00:30:25.720 But isn't the problem the fact that we've disempowered people, Duncan? We've disempowered

00:30:33.320 people. And now people feel that the only way that they can be safe is to give up what little

00:30:39.880 power and agency they have to the government who will come and protect them. And I mean,

00:30:45.160 COVID was the perfect example of this. People were so willing to give up autonomy,

00:30:49.800 to give up their power, to give up freedom. Yeah. If it meant that they could be given this thing

00:30:54.600 called safety, which actually didn't really exist anyway. Well, I think I love Carl Jung. And I think

00:31:00.840 if you look at these big social movements as the projection of the collective shadow,

00:31:05.720 COVID is fantastic because what was the instruction with COVID? Social distancing. COVID, if the goal is

00:31:14.200 to separate us from our neighbors and make us latch onto the state, like that poor monkey that like,

00:31:21.560 did you ever see that terrible experiment with a wire monkey? Oh, it's the most fucked up, 1.00

00:31:25.800 fucked up thing. I hate it so much. They take this little monkey away from its mama. They give it a wire 1.00

00:31:31.400 monkey. It's got like, they use like bicycle reflectors for its eyes, made it kind of look like a

00:31:37.640 monkey. This poor little monkey baby. It would rather cling to this fake ass wire monkey than food. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Cause they just thought that was his mommy. And so if, if like what we're looking at here is some kind of 0.99

00:31:58.040 movement to disconnect people from the actual like, like joy of being human, which is connecting with

00:32:07.560 others and then connect with the state, then COVID, it was a perfect way to do that. You, you had to

00:32:16.040 cover your face. You had to distance from people. You had to fucking hate people who didn't wear the 0.99

00:32:21.560 mask or hate people who did wear the fucking mask. It created these bizarre teams and the craziest team 1.00

00:32:27.160 outfits you've ever seen. And what did it do? It separated us. It's separate, separate, separate,

00:32:33.000 and any time you see an invitation to disconnect from this group or that, or separated from this

00:32:39.480 group or that, or most importantly to not forgive, then you should be very suspicious because that is

00:32:45.160 serving the purpose of creating a fragmented planetary civilization. And that can only lead to

00:32:52.120 aggression, violence, and suffering. And that is not political. That is not a political statement.

00:32:57.960 Sure.

00:33:27.960 Do you think, do you, how realistic do you think it is for us to overcome that? Because,

00:33:36.840 you know, I don't know if you read Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari. He talks about, um, why human, uh,

00:33:43.880 homo sapiens became the dominant species of hominids on planet earth. And the reason is 1.00

00:33:50.360 that they outcompeted other types of humans effectively. And the reason was that they were able

00:33:56.280 to build tribes that went beyond a hundred, the dumb bar number, 150 people or so. And the reason

00:34:02.360 they were able to do this is that according to Harari is that they built these shared myths, nation,

00:34:11.320 country, money, all of these things that aren't real, as you say, we're just a bunch of, you know,

00:34:18.200 animals living on a planet, but we've drawn these arbitrary lines over which we frequently fight and

00:34:23.240 side. Right. On the one hand. So it's all arbitrary on the one hand. On the other hand,

00:34:28.920 it is how we evolved. Yeah. And so we are tribal creatures. Yeah. And I, I wonder whether

00:34:35.800 realistically we ever have a choice about whether we are tribal. My thinking today has been, and I'm

00:34:43.080 obviously open to, to change my opinion on it, has been that ultimately you can't overcome the tribal

00:34:48.840 nature of our evolutionary history. And so what you can do is find the right unit of tribalism.

00:34:55.800 Right. So when I look at America or our country in the UK, what I see is that we went from kind

00:35:03.640 of like, we're English, we hate the French, which was like, good. Right. That kind of work. Yeah. 1.00

00:35:08.520 Yeah. Yeah. Right. To, oh, I am a, you know, African American. I'm a, this American, I'm Latino,

00:35:15.880 I'm this, I'm that or whatever. And suddenly, instead of being a United States of America,

00:35:22.200 we've now become, you know, in the UK and here, the divided states within itself. So rather than

00:35:29.240 focusing on external threats, which by the way, we may wish that they weren't there and all man was one

00:35:35.080 and all of that, but they are there. Sure. Like the Chinese aren't sitting around taking

00:35:38.200 psychedelics and going, you know, how do we chill out? I wouldn't be surprised if they were taking

00:35:42.360 psychedelics. Maybe not for that reason. I mean, I think the idea that you give psychedelics

00:35:45.320 to a fascist and suddenly they're like peaceful is madness. I, I, that whole like,

00:35:50.360 give Kim Jong-un some mushrooms and everything that we find, shut that up. He's going to launch

00:35:55.560 the nukes right away. I've got mushrooms. They don't tell me to love everybody. And if I had access

00:36:00.040 to a nuclear arsenal, I got paranoid enough, I might fire a couple of ICBMs.

00:36:05.800 So that's what I'm saying. Right. So we do have people who want to take things away to fight,

00:36:12.120 to challenge, et cetera. So is it that we should be heading towards some kind of, I would argue,

00:36:19.880 utopian vision where everyone is like all one and whatever, or is it just that we've

00:36:25.560 become tribalized along the wrong lines? That's cool.

00:36:30.600 Cool. You know, man, I, I, I would refer you to like Buckminster Fuller. Have you ever read,

00:36:38.440 what's it called? Something like Manual for Spaceship Earth. It's really cool. But so he,

00:36:45.160 I don't know what he would say about that book you were citing, but he talked about sort of the

00:36:56.680 evolution of human beings from living on land and becoming a seafaring civilization. He talked about

00:37:02.360 how like, you know, you're born into whatever part of the world. There's no satellites, airplanes,

00:37:07.000 trains. You've got maybe horses, but your, your world is going to be the circumference of that,

00:37:13.320 which could be explored by foot or by horse. Once you get to the ocean, that's it, baby. It's done.

00:37:18.920 It's like the wall in the video game that you can't walk past. And suddenly we figure out a way to

00:37:23.880 navigate the oceans. And he called those people, the first, the great pirates. So the, the, the people

00:37:34.120 who began, the explorers of renown were also pirates. And this is where we got into territorial

00:37:44.200 expansion. Now what's happening is the circumference of the subjective world that people were living in

00:37:49.800 was beginning to slowly grow. It was growing now past the area that you had been living in to the

00:37:57.400 ocean and getting bigger than that. Eventually we realized the earth is round. It's not flat.

00:38:04.120 We're on a round fucking thing. So that every time those kinds of things happen, global consciousness 0.94

00:38:10.760 shifts. And he points out the moment we got a picture of earth from space. Now there's no way to

00:38:16.520 deny it, to argue with it. We are living on the same thing. It's a planetary civilization that we are

00:38:22.520 currently living on, a very divided planetary civilization. But if you were to look at the,

00:38:28.120 if you were to look down on planet earth and just spin the globe, if you could do that, I mean,

00:38:32.840 if you could actually do that, it would destroy the planet, I guess. But if you did that and you're

00:38:37.160 looking at Dubai, New York, Moscow, Israel, and just looking at it, not understanding anything about the

00:38:43.800 the cultures there or the laws there or the leaders there, it all kind of looks like the

00:38:51.000 same ant's nest, right? It kind of looks like the same thing. You might be astounded to find out

00:38:55.640 that people who are getting in their car and driving in the pulsation of traffic that happens

00:39:00.840 every morning and night according to where the planet is rotating in accordance to the sun.

00:39:05.880 You might be astounded to think that each one of those people thought they were doing something

00:39:09.880 different. You look down and see what's going on. You would see a clearly like a clock,

00:39:15.800 the inner workings of a fucking clock, this pulsing of life that is just completely based 0.99

00:39:21.800 on the solar cycle. And you would be astounded to imagine that people on one side of the planet 0.99

00:39:27.880 at any given moment might launch nuclear missiles at people on the other side of the planet because

00:39:31.960 they were so very different from them. That would be astounding. Now, from Buckminster Fuller's

00:39:39.080 perspective, because it was the early explorers or pirates who were the conquerors and who

00:39:49.240 created the areas that we call countries. And obviously, they weren't all sailors.

00:39:55.640 Many of them were like, I don't think Genghis Khan ever got in a fucking boat, did he? I don't know, 0.96

00:40:00.040 maybe. But the point being, the conquering mentality. It's what became our laws. It became the legal

00:40:11.880 system. In America, the first, quote, democracy was pirate ships. They were democratic. They were

00:40:19.080 diverse. They were. They didn't give a fuck. And they would vote. And so what ended up happening is

00:40:28.840 like maritime law, basically pirate code became encoded within a lot of the systems, the legal

00:40:36.520 systems of these countries. And so Buckminster Fuller was saying, we are now living on a planet.

00:40:43.320 We know it is a planet. We know it's one thing. But the way we are executing

00:40:51.080 life on this planet is with pirate code based on a complete lack of understanding of the system that

00:40:58.360 they were actually on. And this is why we are having so many problems right now is because we don't know

00:41:05.480 how to adapt to the reality of living on a planet. And I'm not talking about hierarchical,

00:41:10.600 top-down, one-world government antichrist systems where the new world order controls the mind of

00:41:16.520 the people and there is no more freedom. I'm talking about it at all. I'm not talking about that.

00:41:21.560 I'm talking about a fundamental connection with reality, which is you live on a planet that has

00:41:29.720 been here for what? What is it? Five, 3.8 billion years? Something like that. A very old planet.

00:41:35.400 You live on a very old planet that has a set of laws according to these imaginary boundaries drawn 0.90

00:41:42.600 by conquerors that vary from place to place, but essentially result in the same damn thing.

00:41:47.160 A lot of skyscrapers, cities, cars going around, 40-hour work weeks, some various forms of slavery,

00:41:54.200 human bondage, justification of hyper-violence based on these boundaries. And it might be that the reason

00:42:01.480 that's happening is because of a distortion in our ability to comprehend what is actually going down.

00:42:07.240 And you're not going to have to state, is not going to tell you that. You're not going to,

00:42:12.440 no president is going to come out and be like, hey guys, we're all on one planet. And I agree with you,

00:42:18.120 because we're all on one planet, it doesn't fucking mean it's like saying, well, we all live in one 0.89

00:42:22.600 house. There's a dude with a hatchet over there. So we should just love that guy who might come swinging 0.96

00:42:27.560 at us at any given moment. I'm not saying that the move is some irrational embrace of people

00:42:35.400 who are an existential threat. That's called idiot compassion. But I think the first step would be to 1.00

00:42:41.160 shake off any propaganda that's given you a sense that you aren't a planetary citizen, that your

00:42:48.360 birthright isn't being an earthling. Throw that off. Don't be afraid. It's kind of scary to do. You feel

00:42:54.120 dirty just to say, I'm not an American. I am an American. I love this country. I really do.

00:43:00.280 But also, all of us, we are planetary. We live on a planet. And then this is a sort of universal,

00:43:09.400 all one perspective. Now that's called eternalism when it gets out of balance. If you get too caught

00:43:15.080 up in that wooshy-washy, woo-woo-y bullshit, then what are you going to do when the tax man comes? 1.00

00:43:20.360 He doesn't give a fuck that you think you're a planetary citizen. You can go fuck yourself. I'm 1.00

00:43:24.520 taking your house, your car. I don't give a fuck. This is ridiculous. It's eternalism when it gets 1.00

00:43:29.800 in balance. Also, on the other side you have, when it gets in balance is nihilism. All we are is just

00:43:38.360 like our country, our state, this planet. We're just matter. We're like the universe malfunctioned and

00:43:44.600 atoms coalesced together in some horrific amalgam that produced the awful disease of consciousness

00:43:52.200 with an immortal body. What can be more torture than that? Now that's nihilism. So I think the goal is to

00:43:58.360 find a way to connect these two things together in a real moment-to-moment way. Instead of trying to fix

00:44:07.480 the problems of the planet, I'm going to wake everybody up. We all have to realize we're

00:44:11.160 planetary citizens. I'm going to bring world peace. I think it's like my friend Jack Kornfield says,

00:44:16.840 tend to the part of the garden you can touch. You know, go micro, go small. What around you

00:44:25.240 needs help right now? It's all that matters. That's it. You aren't going to bring peace to the

00:44:31.800 Middle East. You are not going to be, you're not going to solve the Ukrainian-Russian crisis. You 0.94

00:44:37.480 are not going to stop us from blowing each other up. That's never going to happen. And by you, I mean

00:44:43.240 the individual. But collectively, ground level, micro acts of compassion would theoretically change

00:44:55.080 everything. And it would happen very, very quickly, in fact.

00:44:58.280 You know, it's a really profound point you make because I remember when I was teaching,

00:45:05.160 there'd be, in every school there'd be one or two teachers who would transform kids' lives. Like

00:45:12.920 a kid would come in to their class and a year later you'd come out and they'd seem like a fundamentally

00:45:19.080 different human being. They'd come in hating maths or hating English, I can't do this. And you'd see

00:45:24.520 the child transform. So if you think that one person can do that for, what, 30 kids?

00:45:31.240 Yeah.

00:45:31.400 Over a career? I mean, that's thousands of people.

00:45:35.960 That's right.

00:45:36.840 So if one person can do that, and they've made that commitment, then maybe we can't do it to that

00:45:43.000 many people. But we can certainly do it to double-digit, triple-digit people, numbers of people.

00:45:48.600 Oh, and this is where you get into the disempowered thing you're talking about. This is the, I mean,

00:45:54.200 if you exist within the system, which is the, you are inside of an infinite system,

00:46:01.320 and within you is another insane system when you consider like the perfect harmonization of

00:46:07.480 your cells, your biological internal universe. And then you consider the atomic universe and the

00:46:12.760 subatomic universe, and there you are like on the outside of the bubble in another bubble. It's

00:46:18.120 profound to be part of this thing at all. And so I think the first step is recognition

00:46:24.040 of what you actually are within. The system that you're actually within, as much as you're capable,

00:46:29.320 will re-empower you right away. Because you begin to see, holy shit, man, I like, 0.98

00:46:34.280 think how long it takes erosion to like make a, to change a landscape. 1.00

00:46:39.480 Give me a fucking shovel. I can, I can do a thousand years of erosion in a minute, no problem. 0.99

00:46:45.720 And that's being human. We can do that. It's incredible. Not just what we could do to like,

00:46:51.240 to like go via landscaping. But when you look at the historic precedent for people who've absolutely,

00:46:58.200 completely transformed the cultural technological landscape that we're living in, you realize

00:47:03.880 these ideas emerge in the minds of people like Nikola Tesla, Karl Marx, you name it. For better,

00:47:10.840 for worse, these ideas come into a human mind and get articulated in some form or fashion

00:47:16.760 that produces ripples that we are experiencing to this very day. People long dead. And you are one of

00:47:23.000 them. You are running the same nervous system. You are running the same, oh, you're not, maybe not the

00:47:27.640 same OS. You're running, you got the same basic system. So you should feel empowered because you're

00:47:35.480 sitting in the same kind of body. Genghis Khan was sitting in, Mahatma Gandhi was sitting in,

00:47:40.120 Martin Luther King was sitting in, you go on and on and on. Buddha, Muhammad, all of them out of body. 0.99

00:47:45.800 Maybe they had different operating systems. Who knows? But that's you, you, the individual,

00:47:50.600 you, the person. It doesn't mean go megalomaniacal about it, but for God's sake,

00:47:54.760 in a world where we all are walking around like deflated balloons, we're walking around feeling

00:48:00.200 all guilty and bad and scared. And I can't do anything to help anything. I gotta, if I'm gonna

00:48:04.840 help something, I gotta help the whole fucking planet. It's like, no one ever talks about Buddha's 0.95

00:48:09.560 great-grandmother. You never hear that. You never hear about Buddha's great-great-grandmother. You

00:48:15.080 never hear about the person who like, I don't know, like invited Buddha's great-grandmother to

00:48:21.320 some kind of lunch where she met Buddha's great-great-grandfather and they bang that night.

00:48:27.640 You know what I mean? You never hear about that. But now we have the Buddha. You only hear about

00:48:32.120 the fucking Buddha. And it's like, if you are interacting within the system, you are participating 1.00

00:48:39.240 in a system that inevitably produces people like Jesus, the Buddha. Like it, this system produces that.

00:48:49.080 And that is not woo-woo. That is, you can look in history and see. And you are participating in that

00:48:53.880 system. Meaning that theoretically, you could be one tiny drop of sand. You could be one tiny drop

00:49:01.560 of sand on the scales that shifted to producing the next Buddha. They happen here. They show up and

00:49:09.800 shit changes for the better. Sometimes for the worse. But you know, that is very exciting to me. 1.00

00:49:16.600 That's a really cool thing. And that transcends politics. That transcends some transient, temporary

00:49:22.840 propaganda machine. And people, I hope that more people recognize that. And that you don't have

00:49:30.040 to be the one. Do you really want to be Jesus? Like, look at how he ended up. All these

00:49:36.200 motherfuckers want to be Jesus. I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't be nailed to a cross, stabbed with a spear. 1.00

00:49:42.600 I don't want to get assassinated like Gandhi. You don't want to be that. But if you could,

00:49:47.480 I wouldn't mind being part of what produces a thing that brings the alleviation of suffering or

00:49:52.600 a mind that is like able to articulate some way of living that unifies our planet in a non-violent

00:49:58.920 way. That would be cool. What I really like about you, Duncan, and I see it in your stand-up,

00:50:03.880 is that you're very pro-human. You're very, you talk about, you know, the wonder of having kids.

00:50:10.440 Yeah. And it seems to me, and part of what I realize in myself is I contend if I'm not

00:50:16.120 mentally balanced or stable at that particular time. He hasn't taken his meds.

00:50:20.200 Yeah. If I'm fucking bashing back with some whiskey, mate. 0.99

00:50:24.200 Yes. But luckily I have for this interview. But I guess we, and one of the things that I find 0.99

00:50:33.960 really sad is as a culture, we become anti-child, anti-human. And that to me is a civilization

00:50:41.560 where something is going disastrously wrong.

00:50:46.040 You're so right. You're so right. It is really dismaying. You know,

00:50:56.120 I got lucky enough to be on a show with Bill Burr, and we were backstage with Rogan shooting the 1.00

00:51:02.200 shit. And this, it had come on the news that they'd figured out like something like child blood 0.99

00:51:10.120 transfusions could actually maybe reverse the aging process. We're just talking about that.

00:51:17.080 And Bill Burr goes, tough time to be a kid.

00:51:27.320 But I do feel like it's a tough time to be a kid. And the reason I think is because we're putting

00:51:35.240 like profit over humanity, like making a profit seems to be the goal. And so what ends up happening

00:51:47.160 there is this bizarre hierarchy appears within which the mother is reduced to like a kind of

00:52:02.840 antiquated form, a sort of appendix of the system that you would stay home and

00:52:07.400 raise your kids. You should get into the corporate world. You got to get out there,

00:52:11.720 make some money, dual earning household. Let's get rich. We'll take our kids, put them in daycare.

00:52:19.240 You can go in the cubicle, you can go in the bathroom and like pump your breast milk. And then

00:52:24.440 the baby can have breast milk. You know, to me, that is a real like devaluing of something. And

00:52:35.960 it's really fucked up because how do we quantify motherhood? In other words, like, you know, like, 0.98

00:52:41.800 imagine if your mother at the end of your life, like wrote you a bill at the end of your life,

00:52:47.960 like how much would a mother charge? What's the value of a mother? Like we know what minimum wage is, 1.00

00:52:52.600 but they also grew in their womb. Capitalism and motherhood don't seem to go very well together

00:52:57.720 because how do you quantify unconditional love and destroying your pussy for a fucking thing that's 1.00

00:53:02.920 going to call you a bitch because you don't let them go smoke weed at a fucking slumber party. 1.00

00:53:08.040 It's like, there's no way to like quantify. I don't know the economic metric for this. And so what 1.00

00:53:15.960 ends up happening again is propaganda. Like the idea being like, I want to, um,

00:53:28.040 I want to get people working, not working because having a kid and being a mom, that's doesn't count 0.91

00:53:35.640 as work. That's something different, almost like a vacation. And the implication, uh, when they,

00:53:43.800 they, there is some shaming of mothers because they want to be stay at home moms is the implication 0.99

00:53:50.440 is look, being a mom's a part-time fucking job. You know what I mean? It's a dilution of what is in 0.99

00:53:56.120 anyone who's been around a fucking mom, three kids, just like being the center of a vortex of life. 0.99

00:54:02.920 It's a constant need constant. You have to be there. And then you add to that, that 0.99

00:54:09.960 you were invited to leave your kids at daycares and shit. You know what I mean? It's like 0.99

00:54:15.480 everyone like bashes communism. They talk about, they want to take the kids away,

00:54:19.160 let the state raise the kids. And that's true. I think, I think they actually did want to do that.

00:54:23.640 They did do that. I was raised in a communist society where that happened with me.

00:54:27.400 They would take, oh, I know I would go to a nursery at like before I was one.

00:54:33.720 There you go. Right.

00:54:34.840 And the nursery, you're getting state propaganda, right? The nursery, you're getting communist propaganda.

00:54:39.320 I think at one, I don't think they, I don't think they bothered at that. There wasn't any saluting

00:54:44.120 of the flag. They weren't trying hard enough.

00:54:45.320 No, no. There was no Hammond sickle there.

00:54:46.920 You know, one year olds love communism.

00:54:49.240 Yeah, they do. 1.00

00:54:49.800 No, they fucking don't. Kids hate communism. My kids don't want to share shit. 1.00

00:54:55.000 I love for my kids to be fucking communist. That'd be incredible. I got to buy two, 1.00

00:54:59.320 everything for these boys. It'd be incredible if they could share. I should give them Karl Marx.

00:55:04.280 But so this in the- 0.99

00:55:07.000 Two year olds are fucking hard to indoctrinate, aren't they? 0.98

00:55:09.000 Dude, I have not been able to yet. 0.99

00:55:11.000 No, it's impossible.

00:55:11.800 And it is really difficult. Elrond Hubbard's a wonderful person. I think we can do it.

00:55:15.720 The, you drop your kids off at daycare. Now, this is different from communism,

00:55:24.120 because they go to daycare and they're not getting some communist indoctrination. I don't

00:55:28.440 know what they're getting, like Blippi or something. But if we look, again, if you look at it,

00:55:33.640 if you zoom out enough, it's the same goddamn thing. For an economic system, you're leaving 0.98

00:55:39.320 your children with somebody else. And so to me, yeah, this is a really sad thing. And it's a really

00:55:50.600 sad thing when the fashionable attitude right now is, uh, uh, antinatalism is like all over the 0.99

00:56:03.960 fucking place. It seems to be some kind of like, um, it's running rampant, at least in the blogosphere, 0.94

00:56:09.560 which I don't think is real necessarily. But there's a general sense that to have a child is

00:56:15.560 to hate the earth, that to have a child is to either wish for the child to experience a, uh,

00:56:23.000 uh, just a hellscape style planet or the, the carbon emissions from that kid's 0.99

00:56:30.600 fucking macaroni and cheese farts is going to be the last nail in the coffin for the ice caps. 0.99

00:56:37.720 I know it's crazy, man. But also there's so much, you talk about propaganda. If you think about 0.99

00:56:42.600 your point about motherhood, um, there's so much propaganda in that area where

00:56:50.360 like my wife spent a period of time just being at home with our son. And there's very few people who

00:56:58.200 will be like, that's a great thing to have done. A lot of people are like, oh, oh, you're a stay home

00:57:03.640 mother. Oh, oh, is that it? And, and that's crazy. But also we know from all the polling that most women 1.00

00:57:09.880 would like the opportunity to be with their kids if they can. Of course. Of course. But at the same

00:57:16.600 time, especially if you're, if a man like you or me comes along and goes, well, maybe we should,

00:57:21.560 you know, think about how we arrange society to make that available and goes, what you want to chain

00:57:26.520 women back to the radiator where they've been all their evolution. And, and so it, there's a kind of 1.00

00:57:31.960 proper propaganda war over women's minds that's going on. And a lot of women have internalized that 1.00

00:57:39.080 propaganda. Sure. And they are the ones that are at the front of anyone who says, guys, guys,

00:57:43.240 maybe this isn't working out. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think, uh, the, the, any kind of social

00:57:51.080 experiment has like real risks, any kind of utopian vision of the world or something like that has

00:57:57.640 incredible risks. And, um, you know, I've heard this, I don't know if it's true, I'll probably

00:58:04.200 mispronounce it. I've heard that the actual word for Hinduism is Sanat and Dharm, which means the

00:58:08.680 eternal way. And so you sort of just look at the world. You look at like, what, what does it mean

00:58:14.280 to live in balance with the world? What does that look like? I mean, we're talking like for thousands

00:58:18.040 of years, what does that look like? What would be the best way? And certainly for the majority of

00:58:24.520 human history, at least as far as I'm aware, and if I am wrong about this, I hope people will tell me 0.99

00:58:28.920 there isn't a lot about dropping your kids off at a fucking daycare. 0.98

00:58:36.280 You know what I mean? There isn't a lot out there. And so, but I say, let's invite, I think that again, 0.99

00:58:43.400 like the, you, you, when you really start thinking about this stuff as what I think you two are,

00:58:50.360 and I think most people are as someone who wants less suffering in the world, you want to come up

00:58:56.760 with the solution, some way to fix this. And I don't think, I think if we're looking for that,

00:59:03.480 that solution has to be encouraging people to connect with reality outside of the propaganda sphere

00:59:10.920 and not be afraid to do that. In Buddhism, wisdom and compassion are the same thing. Like

00:59:17.560 like the understanding of emptiness or the understanding of the actual reality that we're

00:59:25.480 living in spontaneously gives birth to compassion. Now, maybe I'm a naive fucking idiot, but I really 0.99

00:59:32.840 do think that's true. And I think that's exciting because what that means, that can't be really 0.99

00:59:38.840 controlled by propaganda. You don't need books for it. You don't need books. You don't need

00:59:46.120 anything other than what you've got, what you're walking around in. And a little bit of courage to

00:59:52.520 just for a second, put all the propaganda up on a shelf and look around and ask yourself,

00:59:57.640 what is this? What is really happening? Not symbolically in my mind, what I've been,

01:00:05.640 not my set of, what are they called? Emoticons, emojis, not my set of symbols that have been

01:00:12.200 implanted in my mind to act as a filter between me and reality. But what is really happening here?

01:00:18.600 I think the more you start connecting with what's really happening,

01:00:22.440 then you don't even need a long-term plan. Moment to moment, you find yourself making decisions

01:00:29.800 that create a more novel and fulfilling life.

01:00:35.640 Duncan, it's been great having you on. We barely scratched the surface, to be honest.

01:00:39.240 Thank you for having me. So let's do this again, man.

01:00:40.600 You guys have such esteemed guests. I was nervous being on here.

01:00:44.040 Yeah, you should have been. I was. I was an idiot.

01:00:47.400 Look how badly you fucked up. 1.00

01:00:51.000 That's how you know you're a comedian. 1.00

01:00:53.160 No, man, it was awesome to chat. Like I said, I think we only got a little bit into it, but we'll

01:00:58.680 continue. So it was great to meet you. Before we ask you questions from our supporters on Substack,

01:01:05.240 the last question we always ask is, what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society that

01:01:09.720 you think we should be? Before Duncan answers the final question, at the end of the interview,

01:01:16.680 make sure to click the link in the description. It will take you to our Substack where you'll be able

01:01:22.520 to see this. Do you think everyone needs to have a psychedelic experience before they die? She says,

01:01:27.800 I have FOMO about it. Fear of missing out. 95% of comedians smoke marijuana. The other 5%

01:01:36.920 aren't funny. Oh my God. I'm so glad they asked this question. This is so good. Finally,

01:01:43.560 we can address this. Quantum computers. That's all anyone should be fucking talking about right now.

01:01:50.840 If you really want to find, and I don't mean to go sinister all of a sudden, but if you really want 0.95

01:01:56.920 a line in the sand where you can find a place, not book of revelations, but where the apocalypse is

01:02:03.080 going to happen, look into quantum computing and look into the reality in like five to eight years.

01:02:08.440 Oh, another thing. Oh, it's not AI, it's quantum computing. Oh boy. AI, fuck AI. And monkey pox.

01:02:17.080 Yeah. This makes monkey pox seem like chicken pox. We're talking about the of encryption as we know,

01:02:25.560 we're talking, we have five years. We have five to seven years. So imagine this in five years,

01:02:36.120 all car locks are not going to work anymore. Anyone who wants to get in a car and drive it

01:02:41.400 around can, they're just not going to work anymore in five to seven years. This is,

01:02:44.680 so we have to replace all car locks. We'll go back to mechanical, surely. What?

01:02:49.000 We'll go back to mechanical locks then. Well, yeah, but the problem is how the

01:02:52.200 fuck do we do that with encrypted data that has been, um, sniffed up and vacuumed up already and 0.58

01:02:58.360 exists in servers. Encrypted data that would take 7,000 years for a supercomputer to decrypt will take 0.99

01:03:04.680 a minute for a quantum computer to do that. Meaning any data back in the, I don't know, 90s,

01:03:10.600 when people were sending encrypted emails and making encrypted phone calls, I don't think

01:03:14.840 they were thinking there's going to be quantum computers that somehow are able to use super

01:03:21.320 positioning to solve problems at the quantum level. Quantum computers where they, it has to be

01:03:27.480 the coldest thing in the universe just to fucking function. It looks like something out of 0.98

01:03:31.400 an HP Lovecraft story. If you look at the damn things, no one thought that was coming. There, 0.99

01:03:36.120 I think are terabytes of encrypted data just sitting in servers with people waiting for

01:03:42.280 quantum computers to catch up so they can decrypt it. Meaning all state secrets,

01:03:46.360 anything that's been siphoned up, any encrypted data that anyone has that is just sitting somewhere

01:03:51.640 in a hard drive. We're five to seven years away from whoever the fuck has access to these computers, 0.92

01:03:56.520 decrypting them. And all the secrets, all the secrets people will know. And so when you realize 0.97

01:04:04.200 there's literally a, there's an hourglass right now, there's a ticking clock. We're on the other side

01:04:13.160 of it. Anything you think is out there and you're like, well, you know, it's encrypted with this

01:04:20.760 incredible technology that I barely understand. You better hope.

01:04:24.680 The incognito mode is not going to cut it. What?

01:04:27.720 The incognito mode on the browser is not going to cut it.

01:04:31.480 No. Incognito mode is a wonderful, gives you a wonderful sense of security when you're jerking

01:04:40.520 off to German foot fetish porn. Yeah. So I would say quantum computing is a really interesting thing 1.00

01:04:46.840 to think about. And also think about that it could be that timeline is wrong. And what happens if

01:04:52.200 someone does achieve one of these quantum decryption computers, why would they tell anybody?

01:04:58.040 And if you would, if you look out at global events, I would say, take a look at, if you're seeing

01:05:03.560 anything happening that seems like magic, that it just seems like some state knows where someone is

01:05:09.640 at any given moment, that doesn't make any sense. You might ask yourself, do they have a

01:05:13.000 fucking quantum computer? And you know, I have no data on this at all. Obviously I'm a rambling 0.98

01:05:20.040 woo-woo comedian, but man, I'm scratching my chin wondering, does Israel have a fucking quantum 0.99

01:05:26.360 computer? You look back, they just opened up like a big quantum computing center out there. And then 0.98

01:05:31.400 all of a sudden they've got pagers blowing up in people's pockets. They know where everybody is

01:05:36.280 any given moment. Shit, man. It's worth looking into. It's worth thinking about. Like that's going to 1.00

01:05:41.880 change everything. So yeah, I think we should be talking more about quantum computers.

01:05:45.480 Well, you've just been disinvited mate. You depressed me.

01:05:51.000 Head on over to Substack where we ask Duncan your questions.

01:05:57.480 Before Duncan answers the final question, at the end of the interview, make sure to click the link

01:06:04.840 in the description. It'll take you to our Substack where you'll be able to see this.

01:06:09.560 It seems there are a few people out there who promote use of psychedelics

01:06:15.480 without considering the very real potential consequences. Why is this?

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01:06:49.220 We'll see you next time.

TRIGGERnometry - January 01, 2025

You Are Being Brainwashed - Duncan Trussell

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