TRIGGERnometry - Zuby：＂This is a Moral Panic＂

00:00:00.080 What do you think is going on, Zuby?

00:00:02.300 I think we're living through a period of moral panic,

00:00:07.520 mass psychosis, mass formation, and overall confusion.

00:00:12.820 And I think what's particularly strange

00:00:15.360 is that this is happening pretty much on a global scale.

00:00:24.080 Hello, and welcome to Trigonometry.

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00:00:40.760 Zuby, welcome back, bro. How are you doing?

00:00:42.340 Always good, man. Happy to be back.

00:00:43.780 It's good to have you back.

00:00:45.020 Listen, we seem to get you in.

00:00:46.080 I think the first time we spoke,

00:00:47.740 we were probably one of the first people

00:00:49.040 to do a long-form interview with you.

00:00:51.500 Then the world went crazy last year

00:00:54.180 over the whole BLM thing.

00:00:55.460 We had you in then.

00:00:56.640 And we've got you back now.

00:00:57.920 Give us some sanity, please.

00:01:01.540 We sort of feel like we have to get you in to give us...

00:01:04.240 You've been commenting on the COVID thing extensively

00:01:06.380 from the very beginning.

00:01:08.360 What do you think is going on, Zuby?

00:01:10.540 I think we're living through a period of moral panic,

00:01:15.480 mass psychosis, mass formation,

00:01:17.760 confusion, and overall confusion.

00:01:20.900 And I think what's particularly strange

00:01:23.320 is that this is happening pretty much on a global scale.

00:01:26.560 Actually, over the past 18 months,

00:01:28.040 I've traveled to seven different countries.

00:01:29.820 I spent a lot of time out in the USA.

00:01:32.140 As you guys saw, I went to 10 different states.

00:01:34.600 Beyond that, I've been to Turkey, Mexico, Portugal,

00:01:37.880 Greece, Romania,

00:01:39.040 and the UK, of course.

00:01:42.660 And it's weird to have...

00:01:45.360 This might be the first time in history, actually,

00:01:47.200 where the entire world

00:01:48.460 has been going through the same thing

00:01:50.840 at the same time,

00:01:52.660 and everybody is interconnected

00:01:54.760 and able to communicate with each other

00:01:57.060 and all of that.

00:01:58.060 But if you think of it,

00:01:58.740 when things happen,

00:01:59.920 normally they're fairly localized

00:02:01.400 to a certain country or region.

00:02:03.860 But with this whole situation,

00:02:05.940 this whole pandemic,

00:02:06.820 and the response to the pandemic,

00:02:08.600 which the secondary part to me,

00:02:10.760 personally, has been far more concerning

00:02:12.060 from the beginning,

00:02:13.520 it's weird that no matter where you go,

00:02:15.500 whatever city, whatever country,

00:02:16.960 wherever you are,

00:02:18.240 you can say COVID or the pandemic or whatever,

00:02:21.240 and everyone knows exactly

00:02:22.960 what you're talking about.

00:02:24.260 It's the same word in every single language.

00:02:25.780 It's COVID everywhere.

00:02:26.660 And everyone knows what that means.

00:02:29.280 And you can't really...

00:02:31.320 You can't escape it, actually.

00:02:33.060 But it's virtually everywhere.

00:02:35.840 And one of the points you said

00:02:37.400 is mass psychosis and all of that.

00:02:41.100 I mean, there is a pandemic, right?

00:02:42.920 There is a disease.

00:02:44.220 There's a disease, yeah.

00:02:45.200 Yeah.

00:02:45.840 So there's a lot of people

00:02:47.220 who would take issue with that, obviously.

00:02:49.080 And they would say,

00:02:50.360 well, there's a global pandemic.

00:02:51.580 We had to respond to it

00:02:52.780 in every way to save lives.

00:02:55.300 That's the argument that people

00:02:56.980 have been putting forward a lot to me

00:02:58.600 and to you online, et cetera.

00:03:00.420 So what do you say to those people?

00:03:01.960 Well, that's based off of the assumption

00:03:03.800 and the conclusion

00:03:05.540 that the measures and response

00:03:09.000 has been a net positive

00:03:11.340 and has saved more lives

00:03:13.640 than it's either directly or indirectly killed,

00:03:17.920 let alone harmed.

00:03:19.220 I mean, how do you measure...

00:03:21.560 How do you actually measure lives saved?

00:03:23.840 How do you measure harm caused?

00:03:25.400 How do you measure the damage caused

00:03:27.980 to people's mental and physical health,

00:03:31.000 missed cancer treatments and diagnoses?

00:03:34.080 I guess those can be quantified.

00:03:35.620 Well, just to interrupt you very briefly,

00:03:37.980 there was an article in The Telegraph,

00:03:39.800 which will pop up on the screen.

00:03:41.900 There's three quarters of a million

00:03:43.940 missed cancer...

00:03:45.220 Up to three quarters of a million

00:03:46.780 missed cancer diagnoses in the UK.

00:03:49.700 Okay.

00:03:50.120 Alone.

00:03:50.860 So that's about, what,

00:03:52.000 five times as many

00:03:53.480 as the official death count

00:03:55.600 from with COVID.

00:03:57.680 Yeah.

00:03:59.040 Yeah.

00:03:59.680 So that's just...

00:04:00.540 And that's just cancer.

00:04:02.100 What about the damage caused to children?

00:04:03.900 What about the effects of unemployment,

00:04:05.560 inflation, mental health,

00:04:07.200 suicide, depression?

00:04:08.320 There are a lot of factors.

00:04:09.900 There's a lot of stuff

00:04:10.900 that has been going on.

00:04:13.760 So if you're going to talk about any measure,

00:04:15.940 and this is what I was sort of screaming

00:04:17.660 from the beginning,

00:04:18.420 you have to weigh up pros and cons.

00:04:22.060 We're still living in this time where,

00:04:24.080 look, when it comes to lockdowns

00:04:26.280 and mask mandates,

00:04:27.840 and one could even argue vaccination rates

00:04:29.980 to some extent,

00:04:31.320 depending on which countries you're looking at,

00:04:33.600 there is no solid, strong evidence

00:04:36.060 that lockdowns have helped to save lives.

00:04:41.500 It's very fuzzy.

00:04:43.420 If you look at the USA,

00:04:44.680 you look state to state,

00:04:45.560 you've got 50 different countries

00:04:46.780 which all implemented different lockdown policies.

00:04:49.400 There's no correlation

00:04:51.020 between the lockdowns

00:04:53.920 and the death rates per million.

00:04:56.040 Even if you were to look at a country like Sweden

00:04:58.100 within Europe,

00:04:59.380 which didn't do a lockdown

00:05:00.700 and you compare it, say, to the UK,

00:05:03.080 Sweden never had a lockdown,

00:05:04.260 never had a mask mandate

00:05:05.160 throughout this whole thing.

00:05:07.640 Sweden, I believe,

00:05:08.720 has lower death per million number

00:05:11.340 than the UK does.

00:05:12.280 If you look at the entire continent of Africa,

00:05:14.720 5% vaccination rate,

00:05:16.600 maybe not even up to.

00:05:18.240 54 countries,

00:05:20.400 poor healthcare systems in general

00:05:22.080 compared to the West,

00:05:23.580 poor infrastructure.

00:05:26.620 Many places didn't really do

00:05:28.060 very hard lockdowns.

00:05:29.320 Many places never had mask mandates.

00:05:30.700 The entire continent of Africa,

00:05:33.520 I believe,

00:05:34.240 has approximately,

00:05:35.240 according to official stats,

00:05:36.320 the same death count as the UK.

00:05:38.680 66 million versus 1.4 billion.

00:05:41.900 I don't know.

00:05:42.560 What's the UK vaccination rate?

00:05:44.440 80% plus versus 5%.

00:05:47.140 So these are huge things

00:05:50.760 that don't make sense

00:05:53.700 based off of what one would expect.

00:05:56.020 Now, I'm a very pro-liberty person.

00:05:57.860 Even if lockdowns and mask mandates

00:06:00.880 were somewhat effective,

00:06:03.160 I would not be in favor of them

00:06:05.040 being mandated

00:06:06.120 by the force of the state.

00:06:07.900 However, it's an extra slap in the face

00:06:10.300 when people are promoting these policies

00:06:12.360 and you can look at it at this.

00:06:14.220 We've got two years of data

00:06:15.440 from all these different countries

00:06:16.660 and you can't show me

00:06:18.260 a strong correlation

00:06:19.480 between either lockdowns

00:06:21.600 or mask mandates

00:06:22.560 and hospitalization rates,

00:06:24.740 infection rates,

00:06:25.880 death rates.

00:06:26.420 people always want it

00:06:28.040 to do something.

00:06:29.180 I think it's natural

00:06:30.220 for human beings

00:06:31.080 to think that

00:06:31.780 you can't just do nothing, right?

00:06:33.920 Like you've got,

00:06:34.800 there's a threat here

00:06:35.600 and the answer cannot be

00:06:38.320 do nothing

00:06:39.980 or keep calm, carry on, right?

00:06:42.500 Which is actually,

00:06:43.200 ironically,

00:06:43.700 that's finally what the UK

00:06:45.060 was going to do to begin with.

00:06:46.280 And then Boris got COVID himself

00:06:47.700 and I think he got spooked

00:06:48.580 and the media was pressuring him.

00:06:49.940 So he kind of copycatted

00:06:51.280 what was going on elsewhere.

00:06:52.720 Whereas countries like Sweden

00:06:54.160 and I believe a couple others

00:06:55.300 like Albania,

00:06:56.320 they were like,

00:06:57.720 no, we're not going to do this.

00:07:00.540 It doesn't make sense

00:07:02.120 based on previous pandemic protocols.

00:07:04.280 They're looking at the numbers

00:07:06.040 and the science itself.

00:07:07.900 They're like,

00:07:08.460 okay, this is the group

00:07:09.260 that's vulnerable.

00:07:10.580 Okay, this group is not vulnerable.

00:07:13.340 This is the infection fatality rate,

00:07:15.800 so on and so forth.

00:07:16.520 Looking at the actual data,

00:07:17.780 looking at the science itself

00:07:18.720 and going,

00:07:19.840 okay, the response

00:07:20.900 has to be proportionate.

00:07:22.820 And I think disproportionate

00:07:24.260 has been one of the key words

00:07:27.400 that struck me here.

00:07:28.860 Disproportionate and precedent.

00:07:30.000 I think a lot of the precedents

00:07:31.620 that have been set

00:07:32.320 are extraordinarily dangerous

00:07:34.300 because people also have to remember,

00:07:35.680 look, we're supposed to live

00:07:36.500 in free countries.

00:07:38.020 One of the best things

00:07:38.780 about the Western world,

00:07:40.600 Western Europe, USA, Canada,

00:07:42.260 Australia, New Zealand,

00:07:43.160 all of that has been freedom

00:07:44.980 and liberty

00:07:46.120 and the fact that people

00:07:46.920 do have individual rights

00:07:48.400 and that they are free

00:07:50.140 to generally make their own choices,

00:07:51.820 so on and so forth.

00:07:53.000 I'm glad that you've used

00:07:53.960 the past tense for those statements.

00:07:57.580 Well, look,

00:07:58.360 this is the dream

00:07:59.240 we were all sold, right?

00:08:00.800 So that is,

00:08:02.940 it's been weird to me

00:08:04.140 to see in these countries

00:08:05.640 how loosely and easily

00:08:09.320 people have been willing

00:08:10.560 to just jettison that

00:08:11.600 because they're afraid, right?

00:08:13.600 It's like, no,

00:08:14.440 that still matters.

00:08:15.660 And people like to just go

00:08:16.860 to, well, look,

00:08:18.140 this many people have died.

00:08:19.220 If you're in the USA,

00:08:19.940 people will scream,

00:08:20.660 you know,

00:08:20.840 but 700,000 Americans have died.

00:08:23.020 People say 140,000 people

00:08:24.520 in the UK have died,

00:08:25.360 5 million worldwide.

00:08:27.220 Firstly,

00:08:28.340 those numbers are sketchy, okay?

00:08:30.020 We don't actually know

00:08:30.680 how many people have died

00:08:31.540 of COVID directly from it.

00:08:34.120 To this day,

00:08:34.660 we actually don't have a clue,

00:08:36.000 which is concerning.

00:08:37.700 I think we should know

00:08:38.720 that by now.

00:08:39.680 There should be

00:08:40.120 some kind of audit.

00:08:41.240 The reason you're saying that

00:08:42.360 is because many of the deaths

00:08:43.740 have been people

00:08:44.260 who had COVID.

00:08:45.440 Yes.

00:08:45.840 But they did not,

00:08:46.580 there's no evidence necessarily

00:08:48.020 that they died of COVID.

00:08:49.540 In fact,

00:08:49.860 in this country,

00:08:50.520 again,

00:08:51.180 this has been covered

00:08:52.020 extensively in the media.

00:08:53.460 There was a long period of time

00:08:54.620 that COVID deaths

00:08:55.880 was anybody

00:08:56.820 who died

00:08:58.180 having been diagnosed

00:08:59.240 positive for COVID.

00:09:00.120 So if you got diagnosed

00:09:01.340 positive for COVID

00:09:02.200 without any symptoms,

00:09:03.260 walked out of the hospital,

00:09:04.340 got hit by a bus,

00:09:05.220 you died of COVID.

00:09:06.420 Yes.

00:09:06.760 Deaths within 28 days

00:09:07.940 of a positive test.

00:09:08.840 Right.

00:09:09.200 I think that's still

00:09:09.700 how it's counted.

00:09:10.720 I think at some point

00:09:11.600 it was 90 days

00:09:12.400 within a positive test.

00:09:13.640 Now,

00:09:14.280 to show people

00:09:14.980 just how absurd that is

00:09:16.280 to quantify it,

00:09:17.100 okay?

00:09:17.700 Let's talk about

00:09:18.560 the sacred cow

00:09:20.100 is the vaccine, right?

00:09:21.480 You know,

00:09:21.680 no one's allowed

00:09:22.140 to criticize vaccines,

00:09:23.760 et cetera.

00:09:24.620 If I were,

00:09:25.740 and this is not my position,

00:09:26.760 by the way,

00:09:27.120 and this is not

00:09:27.580 how I would ever count it,

00:09:28.520 but I'm using this

00:09:29.280 to make the example.

00:09:30.540 If somebody

00:09:31.440 who is skeptical

00:09:33.080 or cautious

00:09:33.760 or even full-on

00:09:35.140 anti-vax,

00:09:36.000 which is a very,

00:09:36.720 very small minority

00:09:37.460 of people,

00:09:38.500 and they were trying

00:09:39.680 to tell you

00:09:41.580 that the vaccine

00:09:42.200 is dangerous

00:09:42.680 and they said,

00:09:43.680 and the way

00:09:44.280 that they counted

00:09:44.940 vaccine deaths

00:09:45.860 or deaths

00:09:47.000 was a death

00:09:48.560 within 28 days

00:09:50.000 of taking a vaccine,

00:09:52.140 what would people say?

00:09:53.980 They'd say that

00:09:54.620 you're being disingenuous,

00:09:55.700 mate, come on.

00:09:56.680 But that's how

00:09:57.300 they count the COVID deaths.

00:09:58.600 That's the official way.

00:10:00.380 So you could say

00:10:01.400 that that's a maximum.

00:10:03.160 So you could say

00:10:03.620 in the UK

00:10:04.100 at most

00:10:04.980 around 150,000 deaths.

00:10:07.800 What percentage

00:10:08.540 of that is

00:10:09.400 from COVID

00:10:10.940 directly

00:10:11.620 versus with?

00:10:12.760 I don't know.

00:10:13.200 I think in terms

00:10:13.720 of the comorbidities,

00:10:15.000 you're talking about

00:10:15.900 90% plus

00:10:16.980 of those deaths

00:10:17.700 involved other comorbidities.

00:10:19.480 That doesn't necessarily

00:10:20.640 mean that that person

00:10:21.740 couldn't have died

00:10:22.580 from COVID,

00:10:23.600 but of course,

00:10:24.400 these can include,

00:10:25.000 you know,

00:10:25.180 people being diabetic,

00:10:26.500 having various types

00:10:27.260 of cancers,

00:10:28.220 all sorts of different

00:10:29.200 illnesses which are

00:10:29.940 factored in there.

00:10:30.940 And also,

00:10:31.480 you have to look

00:10:31.980 at the age as well.

00:10:32.940 So again,

00:10:33.320 if you're talking about,

00:10:34.820 you know,

00:10:35.420 when people are looking

00:10:37.220 at figures and facts,

00:10:38.320 you have to contextualize them.

00:10:40.880 So if you're going

00:10:41.400 to say that,

00:10:43.080 you know,

00:10:43.280 so a lot of people say,

00:10:44.100 Zuby, look,

00:10:44.800 5 million people worldwide

00:10:46.020 have died of this disease

00:10:47.000 in the past two years.

00:10:49.200 Firstly,

00:10:50.920 two important ways

00:10:52.980 to contextualize that.

00:10:54.180 Number one question

00:10:55.240 I'd ask is what was

00:10:56.220 the average age of death?

00:10:58.000 Okay.

00:10:58.420 So in the UK,

00:10:59.960 I believe the average age

00:11:01.180 of death was around 82.

00:11:03.380 It was, yeah.

00:11:04.120 Okay.

00:11:04.440 Which is about the average

00:11:05.280 life expectancy.

00:11:06.820 So that does matter.

00:11:08.880 Is this me saying that,

00:11:10.100 you know,

00:11:11.260 old people should die?

00:11:13.300 I want to know.

00:11:13.840 It's not any of that,

00:11:15.220 right?

00:11:15.420 I know lots of elderly people

00:11:16.920 whom I care about

00:11:18.520 and I love.

00:11:19.140 The point is that

00:11:19.940 human beings

00:11:20.840 do not live forever.

00:11:21.920 Life has 100% mortality rate.

00:11:23.740 Okay.

00:11:24.540 So someone in,

00:11:25.680 in normal times,

00:11:27.060 somebody who is

00:11:28.780 85 years old

00:11:30.180 dying of something

00:11:31.540 is,

00:11:32.560 is sad.

00:11:33.420 Death is always sad.

00:11:34.800 But it's not,

00:11:36.460 it's not a tragedy

00:11:38.380 in the way that

00:11:40.100 a 22 year old

00:11:41.380 or a 12 year old

00:11:42.500 dying is

00:11:43.400 where they're,

00:11:43.900 a huge amount of their life

00:11:45.240 has been cut short

00:11:46.280 and it feels very unfair.

00:11:47.420 If someone lives to,

00:11:48.800 honestly,

00:11:49.680 70 plus,

00:11:50.520 you'd say,

00:11:50.880 okay,

00:11:51.020 they've had a decent,

00:11:52.500 a decent fair innings.

00:11:54.000 So we were not immortal

00:11:55.380 prior to 2020

00:11:56.340 and some people

00:11:57.060 seem to have

00:11:57.920 forgotten that.

00:11:58.900 The next point

00:11:59.600 I'd make on that

00:12:00.360 is just

00:12:01.480 people don't,

00:12:02.700 aren't aware of,

00:12:03.520 I don't think people

00:12:04.160 are generally aware

00:12:04.820 of how many people

00:12:05.860 die every year.

00:12:07.020 In the UK alone,

00:12:08.220 about 1,500 people

00:12:09.760 die every day.

00:12:11.220 Every day.

00:12:12.280 1,500.

00:12:13.540 Okay.

00:12:13.880 So when we were here

00:12:15.620 earlier in the year

00:12:16.420 and they're talking about

00:12:17.240 we've had 15 COVID deaths today.

00:12:20.220 It's 15 out of 1,500 deaths.

00:12:24.200 That's,

00:12:25.360 again,

00:12:25.680 every death is sad.

00:12:27.400 It's all sad.

00:12:28.220 But the fact that

00:12:29.360 90% of the focus

00:12:30.680 is on that 15

00:12:31.620 and people aren't even aware

00:12:33.380 of those other ones.

00:12:34.260 On a global scale,

00:12:35.540 about 60 million people

00:12:36.620 worldwide

00:12:37.240 die every year.

00:12:38.640 60 million.

00:12:39.460 So if you're going to say

00:12:40.100 that 5 million people

00:12:41.240 have died,

00:12:42.100 let's,

00:12:42.540 let's say

00:12:43.820 all 5 million

00:12:44.580 died of COVID.

00:12:46.260 5 million

00:12:47.060 out of

00:12:47.980 maybe 110

00:12:49.460 to 120 million

00:12:50.820 deaths.

00:12:51.900 And then you look

00:12:53.080 at the way

00:12:53.940 people respond

00:12:55.220 to that

00:12:55.660 versus respond

00:12:56.480 to everything else.

00:12:58.300 And there are other

00:12:58.980 viral diseases

00:13:00.520 out there.

00:13:01.320 Sure,

00:13:01.520 the biggest killers

00:13:02.160 are heart disease

00:13:03.140 and cancer.

00:13:03.940 But there are other things

00:13:05.300 which are also transmissible.

00:13:06.580 But the way people respond

00:13:08.100 is not the same.

00:13:09.900 It's almost like

00:13:10.740 implicitly

00:13:12.680 people have decided

00:13:13.600 that not only

00:13:15.360 is COVID

00:13:15.840 more important

00:13:16.960 than every other threat

00:13:18.540 and also more important

00:13:19.860 than civil liberties

00:13:20.780 and more important

00:13:21.840 than freedom

00:13:22.380 and more important

00:13:23.460 than happiness

00:13:24.040 and mental health

00:13:24.840 and livelihoods.

00:13:26.620 Also,

00:13:27.480 that if you die from it,

00:13:28.980 somehow that is more tragic

00:13:30.520 and more important

00:13:32.140 than all the other things

00:13:34.120 that somebody could

00:13:35.020 get sick

00:13:35.920 or injured

00:13:36.880 or die from.

00:13:38.280 That seems to be

00:13:39.220 the unwritten

00:13:40.540 and unsaid narrative

00:13:42.060 throughout this thing

00:13:43.440 that's then used

00:13:44.060 to justify everything else

00:13:45.440 that COVID

00:13:46.320 is the most important thing

00:13:48.600 in every country.

00:13:50.980 Right?

00:13:51.500 If we have to sacrifice

00:13:52.420 all these other things

00:13:53.460 for it,

00:13:54.180 then it's worth it

00:13:56.060 because this is

00:13:56.660 the most important thing.

00:13:57.700 And that conversation

00:13:58.980 was never had.

00:14:00.000 It was just assumed.

00:14:01.080 It's actually more

00:14:01.620 of a philosophical question.

00:14:03.200 And everything sort of

00:14:04.560 is downstream

00:14:05.180 of that idea.

00:14:06.240 The civil liberties thing

00:14:11.560 I find so interesting.

00:14:13.020 The fact that we've

00:14:14.120 just been able to go,

00:14:14.940 you know what?

00:14:15.380 These don't matter.

00:14:16.660 Let's get rid of the right

00:14:17.840 to protest.

00:14:18.520 Let's get rid of the right

00:14:19.400 to congregate.

00:14:20.680 Let's get rid of the right

00:14:21.900 for people

00:14:22.440 to actually buy alcohol.

00:14:24.500 At one point,

00:14:25.840 they told the Scots

00:14:26.760 they weren't allowed

00:14:27.420 to buy alcohol.

00:14:29.000 It felt like

00:14:29.920 we were genuinely

00:14:30.920 being trolled.

00:14:31.960 Do you remember

00:14:32.260 when they said that?

00:14:33.420 It did.

00:14:34.540 It did.

00:14:34.980 Do you remember that moment

00:14:35.740 where they said,

00:14:36.460 yeah, if you're going

00:14:36.900 to have sex,

00:14:37.540 wear a mask?

00:14:38.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:39.560 Or when you could have,

00:14:41.040 what was it?

00:14:41.800 You had to have

00:14:42.080 a substantial meal

00:14:43.180 when they reopened

00:14:44.060 pubs temporarily

00:14:44.960 and you had to have

00:14:47.720 a meal.

00:14:48.520 It could have the Scotch.

00:14:49.680 There was the Scotch Egg

00:14:50.420 Gate, wasn't there?

00:14:51.040 Yeah.

00:14:51.400 Where you could have

00:14:52.860 a substantial meal,

00:14:53.720 but once you finish

00:14:54.360 your meal,

00:14:54.700 you can't order alcohol.

00:14:56.280 You can drink alcohol

00:14:57.020 with your meal,

00:14:57.640 but not outside of it

00:14:59.040 because of COVID.

00:15:00.580 But people just abandoned

00:15:03.320 the right to protest

00:15:04.240 and they didn't even

00:15:05.340 give it a second thought.

00:15:06.480 The only moment

00:15:07.100 when everyone woke up

00:15:08.140 was when after

00:15:09.760 the Sarah Everard murder,

00:15:10.980 you had that women's vigil

00:15:12.220 and then the police

00:15:13.540 went to break it up

00:15:14.420 and things got a bit,

00:15:15.800 you know,

00:15:16.420 things got a bit out of hand.

00:15:18.180 That's when people woke up,

00:15:19.400 but before that,

00:15:20.000 people were fine.

00:15:20.640 Yeah.

00:15:21.580 It's so worrying.

00:15:22.840 It's the power of fear.

00:15:24.560 It's really the power of fear

00:15:26.100 and something

00:15:27.500 I've been thinking

00:15:28.460 about this a lot

00:15:29.520 because to me,

00:15:30.160 what's really interesting

00:15:31.000 about this whole situation

00:15:32.080 and I think why

00:15:32.760 I talk about it a lot

00:15:33.720 is the psychology,

00:15:36.260 really understanding

00:15:37.340 the psychology.

00:15:38.840 Of course,

00:15:39.300 there's virology

00:15:40.360 and there's epidemiology

00:15:41.280 and as people like

00:15:42.280 to remind me,

00:15:42.860 I'm not a doctor

00:15:43.780 and I don't have

00:15:44.260 a medical degree.

00:15:44.780 I have the same

00:15:45.200 medical qualifications

00:15:45.980 as Bill Gates,

00:15:47.000 to be honest.

00:15:49.480 And in fact,

00:15:50.720 the same as many

00:15:51.280 of the health ministers.

00:15:51.980 I'd say I have

00:15:52.520 better qualifications

00:15:53.240 than some of them,

00:15:54.400 but I've been thinking

00:15:55.400 a lot about fear

00:15:56.520 and just individual

00:15:57.800 and collective

00:15:58.680 human psychology

00:16:00.240 because this is really

00:16:03.940 what's been at play here

00:16:05.160 and I think that

00:16:05.720 the powers that be

00:16:06.580 in the media,

00:16:07.560 in politics,

00:16:08.340 because this whole thing

00:16:09.180 has been heavily

00:16:09.800 politicized in every country,

00:16:11.640 they're really preying

00:16:13.040 upon that.

00:16:14.040 They're preying

00:16:14.540 upon this fear

00:16:16.060 emotion that human beings have.

00:16:18.880 They're preying

00:16:19.380 upon people's desire

00:16:21.400 for social status.

00:16:22.420 They're preying

00:16:23.380 upon people's desire

00:16:25.700 to fit in

00:16:26.600 and not to be

00:16:27.680 socially ostracized

00:16:29.760 or to be the one

00:16:31.040 who's the odd one out

00:16:32.040 or to be different

00:16:32.880 and they've really

00:16:33.720 weaponized all of these things

00:16:35.200 and the most dangerous

00:16:37.320 and despicable thing

00:16:38.380 they're doing,

00:16:38.920 actually,

00:16:39.160 there's a lot of them.

00:16:39.980 I think what they're doing

00:16:41.280 to children

00:16:41.620 is very despicable

00:16:42.360 but I think one of the

00:16:43.900 most insidious things

00:16:44.940 that I've seen going on

00:16:45.980 and I predicted

00:16:46.640 this happening

00:16:47.260 was this demonization

00:16:49.380 of the unvaccinated,

00:16:51.800 right?

00:16:51.960 Turning people

00:16:52.660 against each other.

00:16:53.540 I think people do have

00:16:54.420 a right to be angry

00:16:55.780 and people do have

00:16:57.080 a right to feel frustrated.

00:16:58.560 After all,

00:16:58.940 some people have been

00:16:59.540 locked in their houses

00:17:00.640 unable to,

00:17:01.660 depending on where

00:17:02.080 you live in the world,

00:17:02.820 unable to leave your region

00:17:04.200 or your country

00:17:04.880 or see your friends

00:17:06.060 or family abroad

00:17:07.320 for two years.

00:17:08.700 So I think people do have

00:17:09.700 a right to be angry

00:17:10.580 and feel frustrated

00:17:11.440 but what they've done

00:17:12.580 is they've taken that energy

00:17:14.000 and instead of people

00:17:15.600 being mad at the people

00:17:16.520 who have actually

00:17:17.040 inflicted this upon them,

00:17:18.520 they're being trained

00:17:20.640 to blame their neighbors.

00:17:23.400 That is a really good point,

00:17:24.720 man.

00:17:25.120 And this is the point,

00:17:26.000 see,

00:17:26.360 because I'm going to ask you

00:17:27.420 why you think

00:17:28.320 they're doing all of this

00:17:29.260 but before maybe,

00:17:30.540 let me just say this

00:17:31.400 because that is such a good point

00:17:32.760 and this is what

00:17:33.240 I've been saying throughout.

00:17:34.380 The reason politicians

00:17:35.320 are fueling this

00:17:37.300 is not,

00:17:38.260 in my opinion,

00:17:38.840 some great big conspiracy.

00:17:40.340 It's just that

00:17:41.200 they recognize

00:17:42.160 that every person

00:17:43.520 who dies of COVID

00:17:44.520 under their watch

00:17:45.860 is going to get

00:17:46.660 pinned on them

00:17:47.980 whereas every person

00:17:49.100 who dies of cancer

00:17:49.900 three years later

00:17:50.780 because their diagnosis

00:17:52.360 got missed

00:17:52.940 isn't.

00:17:53.940 And so what they're doing

00:17:55.160 is they are saying

00:17:56.420 these people

00:17:58.300 who haven't taken the vaccine

00:17:59.920 or who don't wear the mask

00:18:01.200 or whatever,

00:18:01.940 they are the reason

00:18:02.860 all of this is happening

00:18:03.580 and it works brilliantly

00:18:04.440 for politicians

00:18:05.040 because what it means is

00:18:06.200 the blame

00:18:07.140 isn't on them,

00:18:09.080 it gets shifted

00:18:09.880 onto these other people

00:18:11.060 who can be scapegoated

00:18:12.180 as if they're somehow

00:18:13.200 responsible for the pandemic

00:18:14.480 or the lockdowns

00:18:15.640 or the other stuff

00:18:16.660 that the government

00:18:17.200 is doing.

00:18:18.100 However, Zuby,

00:18:19.340 you've detailed

00:18:20.320 all of the terrible things

00:18:21.800 that have happened

00:18:22.300 in the last two years

00:18:23.400 which I personally

00:18:24.740 entirely agree

00:18:25.540 with what you've said.

00:18:27.240 Why is it happening?

00:18:29.260 Well,

00:18:30.100 there's this,

00:18:31.560 it depends on

00:18:32.640 how deep someone

00:18:33.460 wants to go on this really.

00:18:35.240 Okay,

00:18:35.500 if we're going to talk

00:18:36.160 about a government,

00:18:38.220 okay,

00:18:38.560 so let's talk about

00:18:39.960 some of the big

00:18:40.660 key actors here.

00:18:41.880 Let's talk about

00:18:42.560 pharmaceutical companies,

00:18:43.920 let's talk about

00:18:44.940 governments,

00:18:47.500 and let's talk about

00:18:49.040 the media,

00:18:50.360 say.

00:18:51.060 So,

00:18:51.620 what is the role,

00:18:52.240 what's the role

00:18:52.680 of a government?

00:18:53.580 The role of a government

00:18:54.280 is to exert control,

00:18:57.140 power,

00:18:57.560 and authority

00:18:58.380 to some degree.

00:19:00.040 Depending on your

00:19:00.960 personal political views,

00:19:02.400 you may differ

00:19:03.000 on how much power

00:19:04.360 and the scope

00:19:05.860 of that,

00:19:06.900 how big you think

00:19:07.820 that should be.

00:19:08.460 And so,

00:19:10.120 when it comes

00:19:10.560 to politicians,

00:19:11.800 we all know,

00:19:13.620 all throughout

00:19:15.020 human history,

00:19:16.200 all across the world,

00:19:17.840 modern times

00:19:18.540 are not particularly

00:19:19.200 unique,

00:19:20.060 that these individuals

00:19:21.380 exist

00:19:22.620 to seek

00:19:24.400 power

00:19:25.060 and control

00:19:26.000 and to exert

00:19:27.180 authority over

00:19:28.160 other human beings.

00:19:29.680 Right?

00:19:30.020 I'm not a full-blown

00:19:30.720 anarchist,

00:19:31.280 so I'm not saying

00:19:31.780 that that should exist

00:19:32.600 to no degree

00:19:33.240 whatsoever,

00:19:33.680 but that's what

00:19:35.300 they do,

00:19:36.080 right?

00:19:36.260 That's what

00:19:36.620 they're campaigning

00:19:37.300 for,

00:19:37.760 whether you're

00:19:38.320 a mayor

00:19:38.680 or you're

00:19:39.200 a governor

00:19:39.560 or you're

00:19:40.240 even a school

00:19:40.960 monitor

00:19:41.400 or you're

00:19:43.180 let alone

00:19:43.560 a president

00:19:43.980 or a prime

00:19:44.500 minister,

00:19:45.380 that's your

00:19:45.960 job,

00:19:46.780 that's your role.

00:19:47.840 And the more

00:19:48.700 you can get

00:19:49.240 people to

00:19:50.040 invest in that

00:19:50.980 idea,

00:19:51.880 then the more

00:19:52.840 votes you can win

00:19:53.540 and the more

00:19:53.900 you can maintain

00:19:54.880 control and

00:19:55.920 authority.

00:19:57.300 So,

00:19:57.920 that is

00:19:59.900 their aim.

00:20:00.920 The goal

00:20:01.840 of the government

00:20:02.660 and the goal

00:20:03.220 of politicians

00:20:03.840 isn't necessarily

00:20:05.180 to care

00:20:07.220 about you

00:20:07.960 or to take

00:20:08.560 care of your

00:20:09.100 health or your

00:20:09.680 family's health

00:20:10.440 or to do this

00:20:11.640 or to that

00:20:12.180 or for you

00:20:12.600 to be happy.

00:20:13.720 They care about

00:20:14.900 your votes

00:20:15.400 and they care

00:20:16.080 about your

00:20:16.640 taxes,

00:20:17.900 of course.

00:20:19.000 And so,

00:20:20.280 typically,

00:20:21.040 if you have

00:20:21.400 a decent

00:20:22.320 politician,

00:20:23.120 they're not

00:20:23.320 going to be

00:20:23.820 fully 100%

00:20:27.800 tyrannical

00:20:28.340 because that

00:20:29.080 will ultimately

00:20:30.580 result in some

00:20:31.540 type of revolt.

00:20:32.300 So,

00:20:33.440 when it comes

00:20:34.080 to government

00:20:34.740 entities,

00:20:36.340 power,

00:20:36.860 control,

00:20:37.280 and authority

00:20:37.820 and seizing

00:20:38.980 that is

00:20:40.000 nothing unique.

00:20:40.820 I mean,

00:20:41.180 let's look at

00:20:42.000 history,

00:20:42.420 let's look around

00:20:42.920 the world,

00:20:43.600 let's look at

00:20:44.060 the current

00:20:44.380 world.

00:20:45.860 People like

00:20:46.540 power.

00:20:47.140 That's just

00:20:47.620 how it is.

00:20:48.420 There's people

00:20:48.800 who are wired

00:20:49.340 that way.

00:20:50.440 Some people

00:20:50.780 are more

00:20:51.020 authoritarian

00:20:51.460 than others

00:20:52.080 and when you

00:20:52.540 give them

00:20:52.840 power,

00:20:53.460 they typically

00:20:53.940 don't like

00:20:54.420 to let go

00:20:54.880 of it,

00:20:55.100 even if it's

00:20:55.460 a very,

00:20:55.800 very minor

00:20:56.260 amount.

00:20:57.440 So,

00:20:57.920 that's the

00:20:59.220 power and

00:20:59.960 control aspects

00:21:00.760 because that

00:21:01.440 has been so

00:21:02.100 centralized and

00:21:03.360 under these

00:21:03.860 emergency powers

00:21:04.800 which they

00:21:05.180 can keep

00:21:05.540 rolling over

00:21:06.140 as they've

00:21:06.500 done,

00:21:07.280 they have

00:21:07.860 power to

00:21:08.600 do things

00:21:09.040 that typically

00:21:09.680 during peacetime

00:21:11.000 they do not.

00:21:12.080 So,

00:21:12.240 I think that's

00:21:12.840 something that's

00:21:13.520 just very clear.

00:21:14.840 What's the job

00:21:15.420 of a major

00:21:16.260 multinational

00:21:17.280 corporation?

00:21:18.520 Make money.

00:21:19.080 To make money,

00:21:19.860 right?

00:21:20.300 Nothing wrong

00:21:20.760 with that.

00:21:21.000 I'm a capitalist,

00:21:22.160 right?

00:21:22.400 As long as you're

00:21:22.760 doing it ethically,

00:21:23.400 nothing wrong

00:21:23.800 with that.

00:21:24.120 You have a

00:21:24.500 product,

00:21:25.080 you want to

00:21:25.460 sell your

00:21:25.740 product or

00:21:26.320 your service

00:21:26.760 to people

00:21:27.200 who willingly

00:21:27.660 want to

00:21:27.980 buy it.

00:21:28.260 So,

00:21:29.260 when you're

00:21:29.840 talking Johnson

00:21:30.620 and Johnson,

00:21:31.300 Pfizer,

00:21:31.780 Moderna,

00:21:32.160 all of these

00:21:32.580 companies,

00:21:33.720 they want to

00:21:35.660 sell as many

00:21:36.720 of their

00:21:37.760 injections as

00:21:38.780 possible.

00:21:39.440 They want to

00:21:39.840 sell as much

00:21:40.440 as possible.

00:21:41.180 Of course,

00:21:41.480 they've got these

00:21:41.980 governmental contracts

00:21:42.980 with these different

00:21:43.900 governments around

00:21:44.480 the world and

00:21:45.020 some people miss

00:21:45.720 this when they

00:21:46.200 talk about the

00:21:46.680 vaccine being

00:21:47.240 free.

00:21:47.620 It's like,

00:21:47.960 no,

00:21:48.580 that's coming

00:21:49.060 out of the

00:21:49.500 taxpayer money.

00:21:50.780 By the way,

00:21:51.320 countries like the

00:21:51.980 UK ordered

00:21:52.840 seven shots

00:21:53.740 per person,

00:21:55.100 per person,

00:21:55.960 including children,

00:21:56.640 just for 2021.

00:21:57.900 So,

00:21:58.340 the amount of

00:21:58.860 surplus is crazy.

00:22:01.140 And so,

00:22:02.000 this has been one

00:22:02.820 of the most

00:22:03.100 profitable time

00:22:04.420 periods for them.

00:22:05.920 I mean,

00:22:06.120 these companies

00:22:06.600 are making money

00:22:07.360 hand over fist

00:22:09.340 through all of

00:22:10.840 this.

00:22:11.140 Now,

00:22:11.320 if this were all

00:22:12.040 based on

00:22:12.620 voluntary activity,

00:22:14.480 I have no problem

00:22:15.500 with that whatsoever.

00:22:16.600 I'm not against

00:22:17.580 pharmaceuticals or

00:22:18.640 against medicine or

00:22:19.500 whatever.

00:22:20.180 I buy medicine

00:22:21.080 sometimes,

00:22:21.600 I get sick,

00:22:22.220 I need this,

00:22:22.760 cool,

00:22:22.920 I'm going to

00:22:23.140 go buy that.

00:22:24.280 But when it

00:22:24.800 comes to this

00:22:25.940 being in bed

00:22:27.000 with the

00:22:27.340 governments and

00:22:28.180 then the

00:22:28.960 mandating of

00:22:30.140 you must become

00:22:31.340 a Pfizer or

00:22:32.420 Moderna customer

00:22:33.260 in order to

00:22:34.540 have your freedom

00:22:35.480 or your rights

00:22:36.020 back or whatever,

00:22:36.680 like you're

00:22:37.680 moving into

00:22:38.540 the realm

00:22:38.980 of actual

00:22:39.820 fascism.

00:22:41.500 Not fascism

00:22:43.040 in the way

00:22:43.320 people mess

00:22:44.580 around with it

00:22:45.200 and this is

00:22:45.780 being enforced.

00:22:46.640 That's really

00:22:47.400 where you are.

00:22:48.140 You're no longer

00:22:48.620 in any type

00:22:49.280 of realm

00:22:49.680 of capitalism.

00:22:51.260 So,

00:22:52.080 the profit

00:22:52.600 motive is

00:22:53.160 super obvious.

00:22:54.560 As I said

00:22:56.740 before,

00:22:57.040 it's not

00:22:57.280 inherently a

00:22:58.020 bad thing

00:22:58.440 having a

00:22:58.840 profit motive,

00:22:59.740 but in this

00:23:00.600 type of

00:23:01.020 situation,

00:23:02.080 it can lead

00:23:02.580 to all types

00:23:03.340 of unethical

00:23:04.060 behavior and

00:23:04.680 I think it

00:23:05.020 also explains

00:23:05.900 whether you're

00:23:06.620 talking about

00:23:07.120 suppression of

00:23:08.120 other treatments

00:23:08.680 or you're

00:23:09.060 talking about

00:23:09.480 certain elements

00:23:10.160 of censorship

00:23:10.820 or you're

00:23:11.860 talking about

00:23:12.500 things like

00:23:13.000 natural immunity

00:23:13.860 not being

00:23:14.400 discussed or

00:23:15.000 you're talking

00:23:15.320 about trying

00:23:15.700 to force

00:23:16.460 these shots

00:23:17.000 on a population

00:23:17.740 speaking specifically

00:23:19.140 of children

00:23:19.680 who you know

00:23:20.780 are not and

00:23:21.700 never have been

00:23:22.500 at high risk

00:23:23.440 from this

00:23:23.820 particular virus

00:23:24.740 yet there's

00:23:25.520 this insane

00:23:26.420 again very

00:23:27.360 disproportionate

00:23:28.220 push for

00:23:29.060 everybody to

00:23:29.720 do this.

00:23:30.180 Now,

00:23:30.660 it was announced

00:23:31.060 yesterday they

00:23:31.640 want to get

00:23:31.980 people on a

00:23:32.500 three-month

00:23:32.960 booster campaign

00:23:33.780 so people are

00:23:34.640 taking four

00:23:35.260 injections a

00:23:36.120 year.

00:23:36.400 Has there ever

00:23:36.920 been a time

00:23:37.500 in history

00:23:38.020 where a

00:23:38.780 healthy person

00:23:39.540 let alone

00:23:40.140 everybody

00:23:40.680 needs to

00:23:41.480 take four

00:23:42.020 injections a

00:23:43.620 year?

00:23:44.260 Like that's

00:23:45.080 just think about

00:23:46.120 that.

00:23:46.360 That's unprecedented.

00:23:47.240 That's normal

00:23:48.000 but that's a

00:23:48.540 lot of money.

00:23:49.680 That's a lot

00:23:50.440 of money for

00:23:51.380 these companies.

00:23:51.920 It's a

00:23:52.300 subscription

00:23:52.640 model.

00:23:53.500 I'm an

00:23:53.800 entrepreneur.

00:23:54.320 I know that

00:23:54.660 there's nothing

00:23:56.060 better than a

00:23:56.580 subscription

00:23:56.920 model, right?

00:23:58.000 Join our

00:23:58.400 locals, guys.

00:23:59.980 We'll jam

00:24:00.520 you five times

00:24:01.300 a year.

00:24:02.400 With the

00:24:03.040 truth.

00:24:03.600 Yeah.

00:24:04.040 And then

00:24:04.640 moving to the

00:24:05.360 media companies

00:24:06.000 again.

00:24:06.560 They're companies,

00:24:07.760 right?

00:24:08.140 Their job is to

00:24:09.240 make money,

00:24:10.260 attention,

00:24:10.980 eyeballs.

00:24:11.760 We know that

00:24:12.320 fear sells.

00:24:13.320 In the media

00:24:13.800 they have that

00:24:14.320 saying if it

00:24:14.860 bleeds it

00:24:15.360 leads.

00:24:15.980 If you can get

00:24:16.460 people afraid

00:24:17.260 whether it's a

00:24:17.860 war, it's a

00:24:18.680 virus, it's

00:24:19.200 climate change,

00:24:19.780 whatever, if

00:24:20.260 people are

00:24:20.660 fearful you get

00:24:21.680 them to

00:24:21.960 click, you

00:24:22.540 get them

00:24:22.800 to buy, you

00:24:23.600 get more

00:24:23.920 advertising

00:24:24.400 revenue and

00:24:25.060 so on.

00:24:25.520 The big

00:24:26.040 orange boogeyman

00:24:27.240 is gone now

00:24:27.940 so you need

00:24:29.320 another thing to

00:24:30.380 freak people out

00:24:31.260 about.

00:24:32.140 Once they

00:24:32.740 finish this one

00:24:33.340 you can already

00:24:33.720 see they're

00:24:34.060 moving back

00:24:34.600 into the

00:24:34.980 climate change

00:24:35.600 hysteria.

00:24:37.120 Now they call it

00:24:37.520 the climate

00:24:37.860 emergency or

00:24:38.560 climate crisis

00:24:39.320 because fear

00:24:40.840 does it

00:24:42.220 sells and if

00:24:42.900 you can keep

00:24:43.460 people in that

00:24:44.080 state.

00:24:44.420 So I think

00:24:45.400 that at

00:24:46.440 the minimum

00:24:47.940 to me

00:24:48.500 money, power,

00:24:51.400 control and

00:24:52.680 authority

00:24:53.760 that explains a

00:24:57.120 lot of things.

00:24:58.060 Now you've

00:24:58.380 made the point

00:24:58.920 and you've

00:24:59.380 used the word

00:24:59.940 fascism to

00:25:00.700 describe mandating

00:25:02.660 vaccines which

00:25:03.420 I'm entirely on

00:25:04.180 board with and I

00:25:04.700 think is consistent

00:25:05.500 with the values of

00:25:07.460 fascism.

00:25:08.240 But why is it

00:25:09.120 that nobody talks

00:25:09.820 about it?

00:25:10.060 Why is it you

00:25:10.720 get people like

00:25:11.400 Ursula von der Leyen

00:25:12.440 a mainstream

00:25:13.600 well-known

00:25:14.240 German politician

00:25:15.360 German defence

00:25:16.900 minister that's

00:25:17.540 who you want

00:25:17.900 mandating vaccines

00:25:18.900 man.

00:25:19.620 And who comes

00:25:20.320 out and basically

00:25:21.260 goes you must

00:25:21.940 take the vaccine

00:25:22.760 and we're going

00:25:23.220 to mandate it.

00:25:24.800 Why is that

00:25:26.060 not controversial?

00:25:27.700 It's because

00:25:28.260 people have been

00:25:29.100 led here very

00:25:29.860 slowly.

00:25:30.640 It's happened

00:25:30.980 quickly but slowly

00:25:31.800 at the same

00:25:32.260 time.

00:25:33.220 It's been what

00:25:34.900 I call a

00:25:35.320 compliance ladder.

00:25:36.820 This is something

00:25:37.340 you can even

00:25:37.880 learn in sales.

00:25:39.300 It's really a

00:25:39.900 sales technique

00:25:40.500 which is you

00:25:41.320 start with a

00:25:41.820 very small ask.

00:25:42.740 I like to just

00:25:44.000 think back to

00:25:45.220 I don't know

00:25:45.560 February 2020

00:25:46.300 and just remember

00:25:47.460 what the narrative

00:25:48.720 was at the

00:25:49.240 beginning, what

00:25:50.180 the initial

00:25:51.220 request was and

00:25:52.640 it all starts

00:25:53.280 with things that

00:25:54.000 you can't, you

00:25:55.180 know, it's very

00:25:56.580 very minor.

00:25:57.240 It's an escalation.

00:25:58.220 So it started

00:25:58.640 with, you know,

00:25:59.880 wash your hands.

00:26:01.780 Of course,

00:26:02.360 everybody, 100%

00:26:03.760 of course, right?

00:26:04.800 Wash your hands

00:26:05.580 and then it was

00:26:06.180 stand six feet

00:26:07.620 apart, practice

00:26:08.160 social distancing,

00:26:08.880 normally I've

00:26:09.760 noticed that it's

00:26:10.280 three word,

00:26:11.340 I've noticed the

00:26:11.740 three word phrases,

00:26:12.940 wash your hands

00:26:13.480 six feet apart,

00:26:14.640 then it was

00:26:15.380 stay at home.

00:26:16.340 Stay at home

00:26:16.820 is a pretty big

00:26:17.320 ask because that's

00:26:18.660 unprecedented.

00:26:19.360 People have never

00:26:19.840 really been told

00:26:20.600 to do that before,

00:26:21.720 not in our

00:26:22.140 lifetimes.

00:26:23.200 But again, it

00:26:23.820 was like, okay,

00:26:24.800 but you know,

00:26:25.320 and it was

00:26:25.760 explained again,

00:26:26.680 flattened the

00:26:27.140 curve.

00:26:27.720 We need enough

00:26:28.420 time to get

00:26:28.880 PPE.

00:26:29.640 We need enough

00:26:30.320 time to get

00:26:30.700 ventilators.

00:26:31.220 That's how it

00:26:31.580 was all explained.

00:26:32.280 So everyone's

00:26:32.780 like, you know

00:26:33.100 what?

00:26:34.060 Look, if

00:26:34.520 that's a reasonable

00:26:36.000 request.

00:26:36.820 That was me.

00:26:37.580 I was fully on

00:26:38.400 and I'm not

00:26:39.380 criticizing anyone

00:26:40.580 for being on

00:26:41.560 board with that.

00:26:42.380 Then as time

00:26:43.300 went on, you

00:26:43.680 started to get

00:26:44.160 some weird

00:26:45.860 requests.

00:26:46.400 Clap for the

00:26:46.840 NHS.

00:26:47.940 That was a

00:26:48.520 weird one.

00:26:48.840 That was very

00:26:49.160 ritualistic.

00:26:50.400 You know, this

00:26:50.740 time every week,

00:26:51.860 like a Sunday

00:26:52.380 service, people

00:26:53.060 come out and

00:26:53.780 start doing this

00:26:55.360 behavior.

00:26:55.620 I'm not going to

00:26:56.000 get into them

00:26:56.520 firing healthcare

00:26:57.500 workers.

00:26:58.140 But that was

00:27:00.000 an odd thing.

00:27:01.220 But you had a

00:27:02.620 lot of people

00:27:03.000 participating in

00:27:03.840 that.

00:27:04.460 But it's just

00:27:04.900 been step by

00:27:05.640 step by step.

00:27:06.600 And then the

00:27:07.540 goalposts,

00:27:08.400 have shifted

00:27:09.360 and shifted

00:27:10.240 and shifted.

00:27:11.180 People forget.

00:27:12.280 People actually

00:27:12.740 totally have

00:27:13.360 forgotten what

00:27:14.280 the purpose of

00:27:14.780 lockdowns was.

00:27:15.640 The purpose of

00:27:16.260 lockdowns initially

00:27:17.440 was never to

00:27:18.400 reduce the total

00:27:19.240 number of

00:27:19.620 deaths.

00:27:20.060 It was to

00:27:20.680 spread it out

00:27:21.340 so that the

00:27:22.560 hospitals wouldn't

00:27:23.200 get overwhelmed

00:27:23.900 because they

00:27:24.240 thought, okay,

00:27:24.700 if everyone,

00:27:26.040 if 50% of the

00:27:26.900 population gets

00:27:27.480 infected at the

00:27:28.060 same time,

00:27:28.860 you're going to

00:27:29.180 have tons of

00:27:29.700 excess deaths

00:27:30.440 because the

00:27:31.100 hospitals are all

00:27:31.700 going to be

00:27:31.940 blocked and

00:27:32.300 people are going

00:27:32.660 to be dying

00:27:33.120 unnecessarily of

00:27:34.280 all sorts of

00:27:34.780 things.

00:27:35.080 So it was,

00:27:36.140 okay, we're

00:27:36.580 not going to

00:27:37.460 reduce the

00:27:38.160 total number

00:27:38.860 of infections

00:27:40.120 and deaths,

00:27:40.840 but let's

00:27:41.740 flatten the

00:27:42.440 curve and

00:27:43.360 reduce that.

00:27:44.580 Let's reduce

00:27:45.580 the rates.

00:27:47.000 And so now

00:27:47.740 this has been

00:27:48.820 another,

00:27:49.460 there have been

00:27:50.100 so many

00:27:50.520 sleights of

00:27:50.980 hand, but

00:27:51.340 the sleight of

00:27:51.760 hand now is

00:27:52.160 that lockdowns

00:27:53.100 save lives.

00:27:53.780 It's like,

00:27:54.020 wait, that was

00:27:54.480 never the

00:27:55.680 purpose of them.

00:27:56.860 That was never

00:27:57.540 actually the

00:27:58.040 purpose of them.

00:27:58.660 So now people

00:27:59.180 repeat that and

00:28:00.220 they've kind of

00:28:00.640 memory-holded what

00:28:01.480 that initial

00:28:02.180 flatten the curve

00:28:03.220 thing was all

00:28:03.820 about and

00:28:04.800 then they've

00:28:05.440 done this on

00:28:05.920 all different

00:28:06.380 things.

00:28:06.840 So I'm not

00:28:07.760 sure if they

00:28:08.200 specifically said

00:28:09.120 this in the

00:28:09.520 UK, but

00:28:09.980 certainly in

00:28:10.560 the USA,

00:28:11.760 President Biden

00:28:12.400 himself and

00:28:13.820 Rochelle

00:28:14.180 Walensky, the

00:28:15.000 director of the

00:28:15.840 CDC, both said

00:28:17.300 at the beginning

00:28:17.740 of this year

00:28:18.280 that if you get

00:28:19.140 the vaccine,

00:28:20.480 you will not

00:28:21.520 get COVID and

00:28:22.780 you will not

00:28:23.200 transmit COVID.

00:28:24.460 Right?

00:28:24.760 They claimed it

00:28:25.200 was a sterilizing

00:28:25.920 vaccine.

00:28:26.400 If you take the

00:28:26.940 shot, won't do

00:28:27.840 it.

00:28:28.620 Now, what's the

00:28:29.920 narrative on them?

00:28:30.960 Prevents severe

00:28:31.820 deaths, sorry,

00:28:32.800 prevents,

00:28:33.100 prevents severe

00:28:34.280 illness and

00:28:35.620 death.

00:28:36.900 That's a really

00:28:38.700 different thing.

00:28:39.560 And this is within

00:28:40.120 less than 12

00:28:41.220 months.

00:28:42.300 So a lot of

00:28:42.780 people, I mean,

00:28:43.140 there are people

00:28:43.500 to this day who

00:28:44.740 still think that it

00:28:45.800 stops transmission

00:28:47.440 and it stops

00:28:48.180 infection.

00:28:48.640 And that's what,

00:28:49.060 again, that's what

00:28:49.560 all this narrative

00:28:50.240 is based on.

00:28:51.140 So there are

00:28:51.700 certain myths or

00:28:52.620 outright lies that

00:28:53.620 this is based on.

00:28:54.480 You know, you had

00:28:54.840 the whole asymptomatic

00:28:55.700 transmission thing.

00:28:57.000 Act like you've got

00:28:57.620 it, you know,

00:28:58.080 there's asymptomatic,

00:28:59.540 again, Lord Fauci

00:29:00.800 himself said that

00:29:01.640 asymptomatic

00:29:02.200 transmission is

00:29:03.380 not a major

00:29:03.960 driver of any

00:29:04.660 pandemic.

00:29:05.700 And now

00:29:06.080 everything, all

00:29:06.920 these policies

00:29:07.700 from the masking

00:29:08.940 to the social,

00:29:09.620 it's all based on

00:29:10.500 the notion that

00:29:11.120 all of us at

00:29:11.980 all times could

00:29:13.320 be sick and

00:29:13.860 everyone around

00:29:14.440 you could be

00:29:14.980 sick and could

00:29:16.380 transmit it.

00:29:17.580 So you've got

00:29:18.160 everybody acting

00:29:19.620 like they're ill

00:29:20.440 when there's no

00:29:21.900 reason to believe

00:29:22.800 that they are.

00:29:23.740 And again, this

00:29:24.240 is unprecedented.

00:29:25.080 This has never

00:29:25.660 been done before.

00:29:28.000 And so they

00:29:28.620 keep moving the

00:29:29.300 goalposts.

00:29:29.840 There have been

00:29:30.060 all these sleights

00:29:30.660 of hand.

00:29:31.220 And I think each

00:29:32.860 time it happens,

00:29:35.340 and when you have

00:29:36.080 the media support

00:29:36.900 as well, and the

00:29:37.460 media is not asking

00:29:38.420 these questions,

00:29:39.580 like I just ask a

00:29:40.740 lot of questions.

00:29:41.580 I have a long

00:29:42.060 memory and I ask a

00:29:42.880 lot of questions

00:29:43.400 and I ask for

00:29:44.220 explanations.

00:29:45.060 But the people in

00:29:45.920 the media, the

00:29:46.560 so-called journalists

00:29:47.180 are not willing to

00:29:47.980 do that, either

00:29:49.220 because they're on

00:29:49.840 the payroll or maybe

00:29:50.720 they're just afraid

00:29:51.420 or whatever it is.

00:29:52.840 And so you don't

00:29:54.040 get these answers.

00:29:55.560 Sorry, what do

00:29:57.680 you mean on the

00:29:58.080 payroll?

00:29:58.880 Whose payroll?

00:30:00.740 Matt.

00:30:02.660 Pharmaceutical

00:30:03.220 companies, for one.

00:30:05.500 And governments,

00:30:06.380 depending on which

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00:30:08.060 talking about.

00:30:09.380 I mean Pfizer,

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00:31:10.960 with so many

00:31:12.380 people in Congress.

00:31:13.580 I think they have

00:31:13.960 over I think

00:31:14.420 I mean I'm pretty

00:31:16.480 sure don't don't

00:31:17.620 quote me on this

00:31:18.200 but isn't it like

00:31:18.740 Pfizer alone has

00:31:19.960 something like a

00:31:20.540 hundred lobbyists

00:31:21.600 in the U.S.

00:31:22.720 government.

00:31:23.560 I think there's

00:31:24.160 several there's

00:31:24.860 several hundred

00:31:25.480 big pharma lobbyists

00:31:26.740 within the U.S.

00:31:28.620 government and

00:31:29.180 then so many

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00:31:31.020 by these politicians

00:31:31.800 and then they're

00:31:32.380 sponsoring the

00:31:33.560 media channels

00:31:34.420 whether you're

00:31:35.500 talking they've

00:31:36.760 got their money

00:31:37.220 in CNN and

00:31:38.240 CBS and all

00:31:39.500 these companies

00:31:40.280 they've got their

00:31:41.660 money they've got

00:31:42.960 their money

00:31:43.280 everywhere.

00:31:43.660 and that's

00:31:46.000 that's a conflict

00:31:47.740 of interest.

00:31:49.000 I mean of course

00:31:49.400 that that's a huge

00:31:50.060 conflict of interest.

00:31:51.520 The executive

00:31:52.760 director of

00:31:53.520 Reuters itself

00:31:54.560 is a

00:31:56.220 he believes he's

00:31:57.360 a board member

00:31:58.260 at Pfizer I

00:31:59.060 believe or

00:31:59.940 he's either a

00:32:01.360 board member or

00:32:02.260 one of their

00:32:03.160 sort of top

00:32:04.600 investors and

00:32:05.640 stakeholders.

00:32:07.000 That's a very

00:32:07.620 obvious conflict

00:32:08.620 of interest.

00:32:10.640 Same when you've

00:32:11.400 got guys like

00:32:12.240 Fauci and the

00:32:13.440 whole thing is

00:32:13.980 just this web

00:32:14.820 is this entangled

00:32:16.140 web of everyone

00:32:18.160 sort of being

00:32:19.100 behind the same

00:32:19.780 thing and so

00:32:20.520 that's why you're

00:32:21.520 not there's really

00:32:22.100 obvious questions

00:32:22.900 that are not being

00:32:23.540 asked and there's

00:32:24.180 really huge elements

00:32:25.580 of science itself

00:32:27.020 and immunology

00:32:27.860 itself that are

00:32:28.980 being totally

00:32:29.580 ignored if you

00:32:30.220 want to see a

00:32:31.540 huge one and

00:32:32.640 you know the

00:32:34.280 denial or the

00:32:35.760 unwillingness to

00:32:36.480 talk about natural

00:32:37.280 immunity.

00:32:37.900 I don't know why

00:32:38.380 people don't talk

00:32:38.980 about it but we've

00:32:40.060 both had COVID

00:32:41.040 and people are

00:32:42.140 trying to get us

00:32:42.680 to take a vaccine

00:32:43.400 to give us

00:32:44.020 antibodies that we

00:32:44.780 already have.

00:32:45.400 Which are stronger

00:32:46.240 which are known

00:32:47.120 to be stronger.

00:32:48.260 Yes and exactly

00:32:49.020 so at this

00:32:51.140 point hundreds

00:32:51.880 of millions of

00:32:52.980 people have had

00:32:54.120 this virus.

00:32:54.880 Hundreds of

00:32:55.400 millions right

00:32:56.560 it's not it's

00:32:57.260 not March 2020

00:32:58.200 anymore right

00:32:59.500 it's December

00:33:00.040 2021 and so

00:33:01.900 the unwillingness

00:33:03.060 to even talk

00:33:04.100 about that or

00:33:04.740 address this

00:33:05.120 to me I mean

00:33:06.180 there's a lot

00:33:06.600 of red flags

00:33:07.200 but that that's

00:33:08.880 just a huge

00:33:09.700 glaring red flag

00:33:10.880 and so look

00:33:11.960 when I view

00:33:12.480 this thing

00:33:12.980 through the lens

00:33:13.780 of health

00:33:14.740 and safety

00:33:15.380 and protecting

00:33:17.680 people from a

00:33:18.460 virus there's a

00:33:19.220 lot of things

00:33:19.940 that don't make

00:33:20.440 sense whether

00:33:21.280 you're talking

00:33:21.820 the denial of

00:33:22.540 natural immunity

00:33:23.200 or you're talking

00:33:24.180 about why someone

00:33:24.920 wants you to wear

00:33:25.540 a mask to enter

00:33:26.240 three steps into

00:33:27.280 a restaurant just

00:33:27.940 for you to take

00:33:28.420 it off again for

00:33:29.000 an hour which

00:33:29.640 by the way

00:33:30.140 they're doing

00:33:31.320 all over the

00:33:31.840 world without

00:33:32.380 question right

00:33:33.740 if you view it

00:33:34.420 through health and

00:33:34.860 safety it makes

00:33:35.340 no sense if you

00:33:36.480 view it through

00:33:37.120 like I said

00:33:37.660 before money

00:33:38.480 power and

00:33:39.200 control it all

00:33:40.560 makes sense right

00:33:41.700 because if you

00:33:42.280 deny if you're

00:33:43.280 trying to sell

00:33:43.640 as many shots

00:33:44.140 as possible

00:33:44.600 you're gonna go

00:33:45.800 for the kids

00:33:46.380 you're gonna go

00:33:46.840 for people who

00:33:47.300 have already

00:33:47.600 had it you're

00:33:48.420 gonna you're

00:33:49.040 gonna try to get

00:33:49.560 people on a

00:33:49.980 subscription model

00:33:50.700 you're going to

00:33:51.360 do whatever is

00:33:52.740 necessarily there

00:33:53.500 and that's to

00:33:54.480 me where it's

00:33:55.100 deeply unethical

00:33:55.920 you will suppress

00:33:56.880 and not want to

00:33:57.420 talk about other

00:33:58.380 treatments right

00:33:59.020 that's another

00:33:59.440 thing that's been

00:34:00.160 mind-blowing the

00:34:01.800 complete suppression

00:34:02.700 about other

00:34:03.920 treatments have

00:34:04.380 you noticed

00:34:04.640 that no one

00:34:05.260 talks about

00:34:05.620 treatment

00:34:06.020 right no

00:34:07.800 one no one

00:34:08.080 even talks about

00:34:08.720 treatment like

00:34:09.420 what do you do

00:34:09.820 if you do get

00:34:10.480 covid and you

00:34:11.420 want to recover

00:34:11.940 what do you do

00:34:13.180 right you have to

00:34:13.700 go search on you

00:34:15.080 know murky depths of

00:34:15.920 the internet to

00:34:16.860 find that out and

00:34:18.320 that's very very

00:34:20.580 unethical and it's

00:34:21.800 very concerning so

00:34:23.120 that's why someone

00:34:24.340 like me looks at

00:34:25.240 this and is like

00:34:26.160 look this is not

00:34:26.760 simply about health

00:34:27.840 and safety man you

00:34:29.120 can go on forever

00:34:30.000 have they talked

00:34:30.980 about vitamin d

00:34:31.700 have they talked

00:34:32.460 about zinc have

00:34:33.060 they talked about

00:34:33.480 losing body fat

00:34:34.380 have they talked

00:34:35.480 about going

00:34:36.060 outside and

00:34:36.680 getting sunlight

00:34:37.340 no here's the

00:34:38.300 thing it's been

00:34:38.680 two years man

00:34:39.500 we know this is

00:34:40.900 something that

00:34:41.400 mostly affects

00:34:41.960 people who are

00:34:42.540 overweight yep

00:34:43.280 you've had two

00:34:43.940 years in which

00:34:45.120 you could have

00:34:45.600 been telling

00:34:45.980 people lose

00:34:46.980 weight here's a

00:34:47.760 government program

00:34:48.620 to help you lose

00:34:49.400 weight here's some

00:34:50.020 money to encourage

00:34:51.060 you to lose weight

00:34:51.700 if this is about

00:34:52.600 health why don't

00:34:53.760 why don't we make

00:34:54.700 this about making

00:34:55.400 people healthy

00:34:56.160 and in fact they

00:34:57.380 did the opposite

00:34:58.220 they shut down the

00:34:59.640 gyms they stopped

00:35:00.820 you from going

00:35:01.380 outside they

00:35:02.860 closed the gyms

00:35:05.720 they opened

00:35:06.380 McDonald's and

00:35:07.280 KFC and all

00:35:09.060 of that so

00:35:09.540 they offered you

00:35:10.380 a free burger

00:35:10.980 with fries to go

00:35:11.720 and get vaccinated

00:35:12.380 so it's not even

00:35:13.620 just that it's like

00:35:14.620 they did the

00:35:15.120 opposite

00:35:15.760 and a scratch

00:35:16.980 card

00:35:17.240 yeah

00:35:17.500 that got you

00:35:18.760 excited

00:35:19.080 yeah it did

00:35:19.720 man the gambling

00:35:20.700 addict in me

00:35:21.380 what

00:35:21.700 yeah they've

00:35:22.940 done the opposite

00:35:24.080 and these are

00:35:25.000 low real low

00:35:25.860 hanging fruit

00:35:26.200 again why would

00:35:26.880 you deny vitamin

00:35:27.620 d majority of

00:35:29.060 people who died

00:35:29.500 with covid were

00:35:30.060 vitamin d

00:35:30.500 deficient right

00:35:31.760 do you remember

00:35:32.360 last year when

00:35:33.000 they were talking

00:35:33.460 about black

00:35:34.220 people being more

00:35:34.840 susceptible yeah

00:35:35.660 and they ran with

00:35:36.280 all the racism

00:35:36.800 narratives and stuff

00:35:37.600 and it's like black

00:35:38.500 people are more

00:35:38.920 likely to be

00:35:39.420 vitamin d deficient

00:35:40.300 and so in a

00:35:42.440 disease that is

00:35:44.180 particularly rough

00:35:45.240 for people who

00:35:45.700 are vitamin d

00:35:46.360 deficient and you

00:35:47.360 have a segment of

00:35:48.200 the population who

00:35:48.980 due to the melanin

00:35:49.960 content of their

00:35:50.640 skin like is more

00:35:52.500 likely to be vitamin

00:35:53.280 d deficient like if

00:35:54.460 you want to talk

00:35:54.920 about actual racism

00:35:56.080 not talking about

00:35:57.740 that is actual

00:35:59.440 racism right and

00:36:00.160 people are there

00:36:00.600 like acting like

00:36:01.400 this is basic

00:36:02.520 stuff as people

00:36:03.380 again as people

00:36:03.900 like to remind me

00:36:04.480 i'm not a doctor

00:36:05.240 so why am i the

00:36:06.500 one who knows

00:36:07.140 this basic

00:36:07.760 information and

00:36:09.560 is willing to put

00:36:10.220 it out there i was

00:36:10.920 talking about vitamin

00:36:11.540 d back in like

00:36:12.540 april 2020 because

00:36:13.880 i myself just every

00:36:14.840 winter need to

00:36:16.000 supplement with it or

00:36:16.880 i'm more likely to

00:36:17.540 get sick even with

00:36:18.260 colds etc and i just

00:36:19.760 don't feel very well

00:36:20.680 so it's and it's

00:36:21.760 cheap and but that's

00:36:22.860 the problem right

00:36:23.480 there's no there's

00:36:24.040 no money to be made

00:36:24.980 from it so i think

00:36:26.720 that we have

00:36:28.020 seen profit and

00:36:30.560 the desire for

00:36:31.280 power and for

00:36:32.180 control being put

00:36:33.780 upon being put

00:36:34.840 over human lives

00:36:36.340 and and human

00:36:36.980 well-being which is

00:36:38.200 why i find it

00:36:38.920 extraordinarily funny

00:36:40.860 but also kind of

00:36:41.900 tragic when people

00:36:43.380 look at someone like

00:36:44.500 myself or maybe

00:36:45.320 someone like

00:36:45.720 yourselves who are

00:36:46.860 critical of some of

00:36:47.900 the policies due to

00:36:48.860 the downstream

00:36:50.100 repercussions of

00:36:51.160 them and people

00:36:52.540 accuse us of being

00:36:53.820 people who are

00:36:54.340 selfish or we don't

00:36:55.220 care about lives

00:36:55.940 we don't care about

00:36:56.340 it's like no like

00:36:58.200 that's not the

00:36:58.860 situation and the

00:36:59.620 people who have been

00:37:00.260 really trying to ram

00:37:01.160 all these policies one

00:37:02.160 thing i noticed they

00:37:02.840 have in common is that

00:37:04.060 they're hardly affected

00:37:04.860 by them and that

00:37:06.340 they've been getting

00:37:06.840 paid all the way

00:37:07.740 through is anyone in

00:37:08.500 the media has any

00:37:09.200 politician taken a pay

00:37:10.280 cut during all of

00:37:11.520 these lockdowns and

00:37:12.980 all these stay-at-home

00:37:13.640 more to know they've

00:37:14.360 been earning their

00:37:14.920 money as usual they've

00:37:16.500 been flaunting many of

00:37:18.020 the rules themselves they

00:37:20.280 have not they've

00:37:21.220 suffered some of the

00:37:21.900 least from it so it's

00:37:23.740 the thing that i always

00:37:25.820 find worrying is the

00:37:26.840 effect it has had on

00:37:27.840 small businesses the

00:37:28.820 amount of small

00:37:29.480 businesses that have

00:37:30.320 shut as a result of

00:37:31.520 these lockdowns the

00:37:32.800 amount of businesses

00:37:33.700 that have gone to the

00:37:34.700 wall which then leaves a

00:37:35.720 gap in the economy

00:37:37.080 which is going to be

00:37:37.800 filled by what

00:37:38.820 huge yeah huge

00:37:41.000 multinational

00:37:41.680 conglomerates yeah

00:37:42.980 absolutely hasn't

00:37:43.800 blackrock been buying

00:37:44.980 up all these uh

00:37:45.960 derelict empty

00:37:47.280 properties i believe i

00:37:49.040 believe someone might

00:37:49.740 want to verify this i

00:37:50.640 believe that 70% of

00:37:52.000 restaurants in cali in

00:37:53.140 uh is it california or

00:37:54.820 los angeles specifically

00:37:56.220 have um shut down

00:37:57.920 yeah well see i want to

00:37:59.560 address something because

00:38:00.520 as we're doing interviews

00:38:01.700 nowadays because of the

00:38:02.980 world we live in i have

00:38:03.920 this sort of like low

00:38:05.040 iq voice filter where i

00:38:06.560 just imagine what a

00:38:07.440 stupid person would would

00:38:08.540 hear out of what we're

00:38:09.580 saying okay so we

00:38:10.880 should address this i

00:38:12.780 imagine because this is

00:38:14.540 how i think about it and

00:38:15.900 i imagine you'd agree

00:38:16.840 with me that the reason

00:38:18.160 you're talking about the

00:38:19.160 profit motive power and all

00:38:21.000 of this is not because

00:38:22.320 you think some people

00:38:23.940 got together in a

00:38:24.800 smoke-filled room with

00:38:25.800 cigars and went you know

00:38:27.100 what guys we're going to

00:38:28.260 make billions we're going

00:38:29.320 to create a pandemic and

00:38:31.060 then we're going to take

00:38:31.880 advantage of it and then

00:38:32.960 this and that i just think

00:38:34.060 what happens is when people

00:38:35.820 have incentives i i believe

00:38:37.880 this is how the world

00:38:38.580 works people respond to

00:38:40.380 incentives so if you're

00:38:41.480 making a product like a

00:38:42.580 vaccine the the motivation

00:38:44.480 for that is undoubtedly to

00:38:46.020 save lives in my opinion

00:38:47.140 they they came up with this

00:38:48.760 thing to help people that's

00:38:50.300 what the pharmaceutical

00:38:51.180 companies did but now that

00:38:53.020 you've made it and you're

00:38:54.520 saving lives well of course

00:38:55.900 you want to save as many

00:38:56.820 lives as possible and the

00:38:58.240 fact that it seems to be

00:38:59.240 making you more money well

00:39:00.820 great because you're saving

00:39:01.940 that's a reflection of how

00:39:03.080 many lives you're saving and

00:39:04.140 that's the sort of

00:39:05.120 calculations people make and

00:39:06.440 politicians are the same

00:39:07.460 you know we are saving

00:39:09.660 lives so we need more power

00:39:11.340 so we can save more lives

00:39:12.440 they're not they're not

00:39:13.320 sitting there thinking with

00:39:14.360 some kind of evil intent i

00:39:15.740 don't think i don't know

00:39:16.780 you don't know i think it

00:39:18.300 depends on who you're

00:39:18.980 talking about i think

00:39:19.760 every individual is

00:39:20.660 different i think that

00:39:22.000 there are many people who

00:39:22.900 have malicious intent or

00:39:24.520 extremely what makes you

00:39:25.340 say that zuby because

00:39:26.660 that's human beings there

00:39:28.240 are bad people bad people

00:39:29.880 exist right not everyone

00:39:31.940 and as a good-natured you

00:39:34.440 know decently moral person

00:39:36.260 it's extraordinarily hard to

00:39:38.480 kind of accept that there

00:39:40.980 are bad people with bad

00:39:42.940 intentions out there for

00:39:44.740 example if you are if you

00:39:46.520 are a sane reasonable

00:39:48.080 decent person you cannot

00:39:49.940 get into the mind of a

00:39:51.060 serial killer you can't do

00:39:52.300 it because it's so far

00:39:54.100 removed you might be able

00:39:55.060 to say i don't know a

00:39:57.140 terrorist or someone who

00:39:58.060 kills for some type of

00:39:59.060 cause as much as you

00:40:00.360 disagree with it and

00:40:01.240 condemn it you can

00:40:02.360 understand you might be

00:40:04.060 able to with a high degree

00:40:05.100 of empathy understand

00:40:06.520 their thinking but someone

00:40:08.540 who's just a psychopathic

00:40:09.580 serial killer you cannot

00:40:10.980 because they're just bad

00:40:14.020 right they're just

00:40:14.920 malicious and so and i

00:40:16.560 think that when you move

00:40:17.520 into higher certain areas

00:40:20.400 you get a higher percentage

00:40:22.100 of psychopaths right i do

00:40:24.160 believe that in politics i

00:40:25.660 do believe that very high up

00:40:27.880 in certain corporations

00:40:28.640 etc you're going to get

00:40:29.660 more people who have

00:40:32.200 psychopathic tendencies do i

00:40:33.940 think that's the majority

00:40:34.780 no i don't think it's the

00:40:36.900 majority but i do think

00:40:38.680 that there are people out

00:40:39.900 there who genuinely do not

00:40:42.360 give a crap about human

00:40:43.260 life they do not care

00:40:44.200 about your well-being they

00:40:45.380 do not care about your

00:40:46.140 health they do not care

00:40:46.840 about you in the slightest

00:40:48.220 they care about power they

00:40:50.220 care about money and we've

00:40:51.220 seen these figures

00:40:51.740 throughout history they

00:40:52.540 exist they're real people

00:40:53.500 all right we can we can

00:40:55.500 name them right these are

00:40:56.740 people and they've often

00:40:57.860 reached the highest

00:40:59.240 positions of power right

00:41:01.740 you know hitler was a bad

00:41:03.840 dude stalin bad dude

00:41:05.140 mussolini now bad dude

00:41:07.200 math no yeah like so of

00:41:09.160 course they're gonna guise

00:41:10.360 it as this is some greater

00:41:11.920 good and this is for your

00:41:13.920 health and this is your

00:41:14.640 well-being you know saddam

00:41:16.140 hussein right like there

00:41:16.960 there are bad people who do

00:41:18.940 exist um and so i think

00:41:21.520 that we have to acknowledge

00:41:23.100 that and then i think

00:41:24.160 outside of that most people

00:41:27.220 it's simply like you said

00:41:29.620 it's it's simply incentives

00:41:31.100 and i think that it's i

00:41:32.840 believe that most to to to

00:41:35.360 on on the contrary of what i

00:41:37.720 just said i do believe that

00:41:39.380 most people have good

00:41:40.080 intentions right so i'm not

00:41:42.000 saying that oh everyone is

00:41:43.340 trying to you know i think

00:41:44.420 most people have good

00:41:45.200 intentions but people can be

00:41:47.240 misled people can be led

00:41:49.120 by um ideology people can be

00:41:51.960 led by just social pressures

00:41:54.040 and the desire to conform

00:41:55.600 people can just be led by um

00:41:57.160 threat of punishment right

00:41:58.980 fear people people are acting

00:42:00.500 in fear right you've got

00:42:01.840 people look i mean i'd love

00:42:03.380 to know again talk about the

00:42:05.520 sacred cow i would be

00:42:06.620 interested to see how many

00:42:08.400 people took these shots

00:42:10.220 because they specifically

00:42:12.220 truly thought it was the

00:42:13.360 best thing for them help for

00:42:14.300 their for their health and

00:42:15.140 their well-being versus how

00:42:16.580 many people took it due to

00:42:18.360 pressure and coercion or

00:42:20.320 wanting to visit family

00:42:21.540 abroad or whatever yeah i i

00:42:23.980 wouldn't classify that i'd

00:42:25.680 call that i'd call that

00:42:26.400 pressure i'd put that

00:42:27.020 yeah that's what i mean

00:42:28.420 yeah i'd put that in the

00:42:29.160 latter category it would be

00:42:29.940 interesting to to see i think

00:42:31.540 again i think early on look

00:42:33.820 if if people didn't want me

00:42:35.480 to be skeptical about us it

00:42:36.960 what would have made sense is

00:42:38.220 if they just you know rolled

00:42:40.120 the rolled these out and

00:42:41.360 pushed not mandated it pushed

00:42:42.940 and promoted it towards people

00:42:44.200 over 60 especially those with

00:42:45.620 comorbidities and perhaps um

00:42:47.640 under 60 with comorbidities and

00:42:50.320 strongly recommended it and

00:42:52.460 then chilled out i think that

00:42:55.460 would make a lot of people way

00:42:57.760 less skeptical of the whole

00:42:59.600 thing now it's like whoa you're

00:43:00.820 gunning at the five-year-olds now

00:43:02.340 has has a single healthy

00:43:04.520 five-year-old anywhere in the

00:43:05.900 world died of this virus i'm

00:43:07.540 not aware of a single child

00:43:08.800 healthy child i'm not aware of

00:43:10.540 a single otherwise healthy

00:43:11.420 child anywhere in the world

00:43:12.380 who's died of this particular

00:43:13.160 virus i'm not saying it

00:43:14.320 hasn't happened i'm not aware

00:43:15.300 of one haven't heard haven't

00:43:16.800 heard a single story not one

00:43:18.460 not one so what are we what

00:43:22.120 what are you doing because this

00:43:23.920 is a very age stratified

00:43:25.060 disease we've known this from

00:43:26.640 very very early if you're 75

00:43:28.560 years old with comorbidities

00:43:29.800 versus you're 10 years old with

00:43:31.700 no comorbidities to treat it

00:43:33.660 like it's the same is insane

00:43:36.560 this goes with all the measures

00:43:37.960 all the policies to treat it

00:43:39.580 like it's the same is crazy and

00:43:41.800 then also the whole thing of

00:43:43.260 the we know people now we now

00:43:45.900 know this whether someone's got

00:43:47.180 the vax or not firstly they can

00:43:49.140 both get covered secondly they've

00:43:51.680 shown they've got the same viral

00:43:52.960 viral load you can still get it

00:43:54.280 you can you can still spread it

00:43:55.260 to other people so on so this

00:43:56.920 whole notion of doing it to

00:43:59.200 protect others doesn't even make

00:44:01.480 sense but people just keep

00:44:02.420 repeating it because they hear

00:44:03.320 the word vaccine and they equate

00:44:04.920 them all if you're talking about

00:44:06.340 a sterilizing vaccine there's a

00:44:07.680 strong argument that of course

00:44:08.740 okay if it blocks transmission

00:44:09.860 then you cannot give it to

00:44:11.800 someone else so it has that

00:44:12.680 effect if it doesn't do that

00:44:14.260 it's so-called leaky vaccine as

00:44:15.920 scientists call it then it

00:44:18.000 protects you and there's nothing

00:44:18.940 wrong with protecting yourself if

00:44:20.200 I every time I take a medicine

00:44:21.380 it's totally selfish decision I've

00:44:23.320 never I don't take medicines for

00:44:24.400 other people I take medicine

00:44:26.960 because I'm feeling sick and

00:44:28.940 there's nothing wrong with that

00:44:29.900 right there's nothing wrong with

00:44:31.240 selfish is one of those words

00:44:32.960 that's kind of funny because it's

00:44:34.360 automatically assumed as

00:44:35.340 negative but it simply means that

00:44:37.140 you're doing something for

00:44:38.240 yourself and to protect yourself

00:44:39.780 if I'm riding a bike and I put a

00:44:41.300 helmet on that's a selfish

00:44:42.500 decision it's to protect my head

00:44:43.900 it's not to protect anybody else

00:44:45.940 but I think that you know people

00:44:48.420 want to go with this sort of hero

00:44:49.900 and communitarian narrative even

00:44:52.520 when it doesn't really make sense

00:44:54.020 there's nothing wrong with

00:44:54.820 taking it if you're unwell if

00:44:56.240 you're hey I'm 70 you know

00:44:57.900 someone's 70 and they're diabetic

00:44:59.420 and they're in rough shape and

00:45:01.040 COVID is a genuine threat to

00:45:02.380 them and they're taking the shot

00:45:03.780 to protect them God bless you

00:45:05.420 there's absolutely absolutely

00:45:06.780 nothing wrong with that and I

00:45:07.840 1000% support your right to do

00:45:09.920 it my only issue with this whole

00:45:12.880 thing has been the coercion the

00:45:15.300 force the bullying the shaming

00:45:17.080 setting people against each other all

00:45:19.400 of that it's unnecessary it's

00:45:21.040 counterproductive and there's the

00:45:22.480 other element of it which is a

00:45:23.720 censoring of freedom of speech

00:45:25.000 which they do online particularly

00:45:26.860 there are big tech overlords

00:45:28.520 whereby if you talk about these

00:45:30.440 subjects yeah prime example if you

00:45:32.760 talked a year ago that maybe the

00:45:35.380 virus might have been created in a

00:45:36.920 lab in Wuhan and then was leaked

00:45:38.420 accidentally you would get your

00:45:40.960 content taken down absolutely and

00:45:43.120 and now it's the most credible

00:45:45.300 version of events I mean it always

00:45:47.120 was it always was but this is the this

00:45:53.040 is the issue and look I'm just

00:45:55.080 interested in the truth I don't I

00:45:56.880 don't have an agenda right I don't

00:45:58.820 have an agenda beyond wanting myself

00:46:02.000 and people to be free and be able to

00:46:05.100 live their lives and run their

00:46:06.200 businesses and go to work and you know

00:46:08.680 not be forced to do this and that

00:46:10.700 that's that's my only agenda if you

00:46:12.460 even want to call it that I just want

00:46:13.700 life to be like it was I think people

00:46:15.760 thought January 2020 was a was a bad

00:46:17.720 time but I think we'd happily go back

00:46:20.200 to that that's literally all that I

00:46:23.100 advocate for I'm for freedom of

00:46:24.700 choice I'm for liberty I'm for you know

00:46:27.400 people just being allowed to have their

00:46:29.100 independence and their civil liberties

00:46:30.900 and it's it's that simple for me

00:46:34.560 hey Constantine do you like Christmas

00:46:39.400 no in USSR we cancelled Christmas and we

00:46:42.620 had Lenin fest instead what's that we

00:46:44.960 celebrated glorious leader and rewrote

00:46:47.280 story of Jesus to make it better really

00:46:49.860 yes in our story three wise men were

00:46:52.360 killed and gifts meant for Jesus

00:46:54.060 redistributed to glorious workers of the

00:46:56.700 Soviet Union Jesus was put on gulag for

00:46:59.320 having wrong opinion as we call it in

00:47:01.200 Russia happy ending right well if you do

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00:47:16.860 yes it is discussion with one of our

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00:47:21.800 almost as good philosopher as Vladimir

00:47:24.000 Lenin yeah exactly our two previous

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00:47:38.200 entertainment I will ride bear with my

00:47:40.900 shirt off I didn't realize we were going

00:47:42.860 for that demographic mate oh yes we are

00:47:45.720 ex well you talk about civil liberties and

00:47:50.020 I initially was very in favor of

00:47:53.300 everything that was being done because I

00:47:54.960 was like we don't know what's going on

00:47:56.180 if if the scientists or the doctors are

00:47:58.800 telling us the lockdown is is what

00:48:00.460 flattens the curve let I'm happy to go

00:48:02.940 along with that I wore masks for a period

00:48:04.940 of time but we've got to a point now and

00:48:07.340 and I'm going to preface this with an

00:48:08.900 identity politics point just to soften the

00:48:11.500 blow for people but my Jewish great

00:48:13.700 grandfather died on the Eastern Front

00:48:15.260 fighting against fascism right and I'm

00:48:17.980 not saying where we are now in Austria and

00:48:20.400 Germany mandating vaccines is the same as

00:48:22.720 Nazism I'm not saying it's Auschwitz I'm

00:48:24.740 not saying any of that but what I'm

00:48:26.620 saying is some people came together in

00:48:28.300 1945 and what you know one thing that we

00:48:30.360 really shouldn't do is force people to

00:48:32.980 take medical procedures that they don't

00:48:34.620 want right and we seem to have just very

00:48:38.840 casually just walked across that line in

00:48:42.400 several countries now where it's just

00:48:44.960 like being talked about and as it was

00:48:47.480 fascism the majority of the public support

00:48:49.180 it exactly but this is the thing see

00:48:51.540 something that's been really annoying

00:48:52.600 with this especially coming from people

00:48:54.280 who spent the past four years calling

00:48:57.080 you know the Trump Hitler and everyone

00:49:00.080 who voted for Brexit and Nazi or whatever

00:49:01.340 isn't that they're now saying that oh

00:49:02.540 you're not allowed to compare anything to

00:49:04.500 to Nazi Germany or to even you know

00:49:06.640 Stalinist Russia etc and you know number

00:49:10.280 one I just reject that like if you cannot

00:49:12.680 make comparisons then what's the point of

00:49:16.180 knowing that history if you're not allowed

00:49:19.080 to point out when there are certain

00:49:21.360 things that are echoing it no one is

00:49:24.160 directly comparing this to the Holocaust

00:49:26.500 itself as in the extermination of Jewish

00:49:29.400 people but if you are looking at the

00:49:31.760 Nazi Germany didn't begin with the

00:49:33.720 Holocaust right if you're looking at the

00:49:35.260 discrimination and segregation and

00:49:37.880 mistreatment and the use of state and

00:49:40.060 the use of the media to turn people

00:49:42.220 against certain segments of the

00:49:43.660 population you can absolutely compare it

00:49:45.700 you can compare it to what happened in

00:49:47.180 Rwanda in 1994 I've heard from friends

00:49:50.240 in Germany and Austria that their media

00:49:51.940 is really really demonizing people who

00:49:55.140 haven't taken the shot like they're you

00:49:57.000 know people are actually making charges of

00:49:58.220 hate speech against actual media channels

00:50:00.260 because they're going that intensely with

00:50:02.780 their rhetoric and it's just like stop

00:50:05.700 stop and not only is is what you're

00:50:09.140 firstly what you're saying it's not it's

00:50:11.020 not even logically coherent it doesn't

00:50:12.780 make any logical sense because again

00:50:15.460 these are not sterilizing vaccines right

00:50:18.740 they had to change the definition of

00:50:20.020 vaccine in fact for this to even fit into

00:50:21.720 them that's why I typically call them

00:50:22.880 jabs or injections it's not your neighbor

00:50:25.560 who is your enemy or who's spread it

00:50:28.800 doesn't make any sense you can look at

00:50:30.460 places like Ireland Gibraltar Israel where

00:50:33.740 they've got super high vax rates and

00:50:35.460 they're still getting all these

00:50:36.520 infections and so on it doesn't it

00:50:39.180 doesn't make sense and also you know I

00:50:41.820 think people need to I think people need

00:50:44.340 to really just exhale and chill out you

00:50:48.540 know what I mean I think it's been it's

00:50:50.440 been two years it's been 600 plus days of

00:50:53.260 fear and propaganda and narrative and

00:50:56.560 media and this and this and just just

00:50:59.220 hammering people non-stop and I think that

00:51:02.420 people do for the most part want to get out

00:51:06.700 of it but when you demoralize people and

00:51:10.260 you break their spirit and you make them

00:51:12.660 feel like I will do you put them in a

00:51:15.360 desperate situation where it's like okay I

00:51:17.220 will do anything even if it's unethical

00:51:20.400 even if it means breaking up my family or my

00:51:24.020 friendship groups or my relationship with

00:51:26.160 my countrymen etc if this gets us out of

00:51:28.580 it let's do it and again we've seen this

00:51:31.560 throughout history right that's part of you

00:51:34.360 know Nazi Germany didn't start in a vacuum

00:51:36.160 it started post World War One things were

00:51:39.260 very desperate the economy was and you know

00:51:41.760 someone came with a message and I imagine

00:51:44.600 I wasn't around but I imagine a lot of the

00:51:46.620 Germans didn't like some of the anti-semitic

00:51:49.640 rhetoric and the stuff like that but the

00:51:51.840 other stuff they were kind of on board

00:51:53.260 with so they were like yeah you know I'll

00:51:55.400 hold my nose and go with this guy even

00:51:58.220 though he seems a little bit weird on this

00:52:01.040 and then again over time the the slow yeah

00:52:05.340 the slow escalation and you know all of

00:52:07.580 that frustration and anger can be directed

00:52:09.780 towards this people and and look I think

00:52:12.580 the point is not to be I want to be very

00:52:16.900 clear I'm not trying to be disrespectful to

00:52:19.340 anybody who actually has family members

00:52:23.540 ancestors who suffered under these I'm not

00:52:26.000 trying to minimize anything here I'm simply

00:52:28.840 saying that history doesn't repeat but it

00:52:31.880 rhymes it echoes and human beings have not

00:52:34.660 fundamentally changed over this time period

00:52:37.740 so humans and this is a really dark thing

00:52:40.360 but it's real people are still capable of all

00:52:43.660 all the awful things that have happened in

00:52:45.020 history human beings are still capable of

00:52:47.520 them so when we start trending in these

00:52:50.460 negative directions I think it's important

00:52:52.220 to call it out to nip it in the bud and say

00:52:54.820 look guys no segregation bad right we've we've

00:52:59.320 done this before we've done Jim Crow in

00:53:01.240 America apartheid in South Africa there are

00:53:05.020 other examples we've done this before where

00:53:07.440 we say this group of the population is not

00:53:10.520 allowed to enter here or does not have the

00:53:13.040 same rights of these people that's been done

00:53:15.100 before a lot it's not it's not a good idea

00:53:18.240 ultimately it ends in violence it ends in

00:53:21.520 blood's bloodshed it's it's it's not good and

00:53:24.960 we can totally avoid this and doing this for

00:53:27.320 a virus with a 99.9 percent plus survival rate

00:53:30.160 in most of the population extra silly right

00:53:33.760 extra stupid right if we were dealing with

00:53:37.360 some great plague level event still bad but it

00:53:42.340 would at least be like okay I can really

00:53:44.180 understand why people are so you wouldn't

00:53:46.580 need to do it Zuby if this was a virus with a

00:53:49.340 40 percent survival rate everybody would take

00:53:51.560 any sort of vaccine that was offered you

00:53:53.440 wouldn't need to do this you wouldn't have

00:53:55.080 the only reason you need the authoritarianism is

00:53:57.140 that a lot of people realize this virus is

00:53:58.880 mostly not dangerous to them exactly and this

00:54:01.000 is the thing two years in again I give people a

00:54:04.020 lot of grace right so I'm someone who from

00:54:06.040 very early I saw stuff being weird earlier than

00:54:09.020 most people but I told I can I can clearly

00:54:11.280 remember February and March last year right so

00:54:14.140 I can understand the fear in their spot but as

00:54:17.240 you get as you get more inputs you get more

00:54:19.120 information you get more data you your

00:54:21.240 position should change and I think that's

00:54:24.300 happened with a lot of people there's a lot

00:54:25.460 of people who you know were whoa okay at the

00:54:27.240 beginning I was really freaked out but you

00:54:28.400 know by summer I was like okay wait I'm not

00:54:30.780 seeing everybody dying around me I'm not

00:54:32.860 seeing bodies in the street I'm not seeing

00:54:35.140 you know I haven't lived through like a

00:54:37.620 super scary mega deadly pandemic I mean but

00:54:40.660 from what I understand of ones in history

00:54:42.300 it's like okay you there's no you don't need

00:54:44.480 advertising you don't need PR you know you

00:54:47.100 don't need to try to scare people you know

00:54:49.240 you you actually need to try to calm people

00:54:51.580 down because they're so fearful just from what

00:54:54.200 they're seeing with their own eyes but for

00:54:56.400 most people it's like okay you've been we're

00:54:59.920 two years into this and you're you can you

00:55:02.980 know you can have in your head that this is

00:55:04.660 whatever you've led to believe it in your head

00:55:06.560 but your eyes are not feeding this information

00:55:11.520 to you right you're not you're you're not

00:55:15.800 really living in reality here so I think with

00:55:18.360 a lot of people now they have this kind of

00:55:19.700 schism between what they want to believe I

00:55:22.520 think I think this is also why and I made

00:55:25.840 this point before this is the first virus in

00:55:28.220 history where people want it to be worse than

00:55:30.920 it is which is really interesting people want it

00:55:34.180 to be worse than it is because that would confirm

00:55:36.820 their worldview and it would validate their

00:55:39.420 behavior for the past two years right because

00:55:42.180 otherwise they just look like a crazy person

00:55:43.900 and I think that's why you know when maybe one

00:55:47.360 of us make certain comments it angers people

00:55:50.320 or when you give people actual stats right of

00:55:53.900 survivability or it not being a big threat to

00:55:56.860 children and so on people actually get angry

00:55:59.680 because you are causing the schism in their

00:56:04.160 brain where they are acting as if they're living

00:56:06.620 through the black death and then you're like

00:56:08.520 man you know for most people it's kind of like

00:56:10.280 a flu there is one we interviewed a doctor

00:56:13.960 called dr john white who made the point that

00:56:16.740 we don't actually know the long-term effects of

00:56:19.640 the virus okay so that's a one place where you

00:56:22.100 could say maybe we should try and reduce

00:56:24.600 transmission as much as possible because we

00:56:26.540 don't know the long-term effects here's my thing

00:56:28.960 man everyone everyone's gonna get it almost

00:56:31.340 everyone's gonna get it and I assume this from

00:56:34.200 the very beginning it's a coronavirus it's like

00:56:36.260 trying to live your entire life never getting a

00:56:38.020 cold or flu you can't do it it just doesn't

00:56:40.560 work it's always mutating there's so many

00:56:43.780 vectors both human and animal vectors and it's

00:56:47.080 it's just there so you've had covet yep you've

00:56:50.340 had covet I've had covet it's only been two

00:56:52.660 years we've all three all three of us have

00:56:58.260 of already have already had it right so it's

00:57:01.480 going to get to most people that's that's just

00:57:04.080 the reality of it and so that's why I think with

00:57:07.480 what they're doing in places like Australia and

00:57:09.320 New Zealand is particularly nearsighted because

00:57:12.500 right now sure maybe their their COVID death numbers

00:57:16.380 might look good now but does anyone there have

00:57:18.160 natural immunity right well I guess their argument

00:57:21.560 is if if they can keep any outsiders out long

00:57:25.180 enough they can vaccinate everybody and then

00:57:28.140 everybody's got some immunity against COVID and

00:57:30.420 that way you reduce the deaths from COVID maybe you

00:57:34.140 reduce the deaths from maybe maybe that would

00:57:37.460 depend greatly on the efficacy of the vaccines

00:57:41.120 especially with more and more variants coming out

00:57:42.960 etc but again it comes back to our point of like okay

00:57:47.000 well what are what about all the other damage caused by it

00:57:50.040 right so so so so that's the thing and you know it's a

00:57:52.820 balance and again throughout all of this thing one

00:57:55.320 one thing that I've been very in favor of is simply

00:57:58.860 discussion right why the amount of doctors and

00:58:02.480 scientists that have been silenced or censored or

00:58:05.960 pushed to the side or just everyday people all of

00:58:09.080 this all this conversation we're having some of these

00:58:11.600 questions we're asking I don't know the answer to

00:58:13.700 everything I'm just asking I'm asking a lot of

00:58:15.600 questions and coming up with ideas and someone might

00:58:17.520 say oh well what about this what about that this this

00:58:20.120 should have just been how it was all the way through

00:58:22.940 from the beginning because again you have to remember

00:58:25.280 the models that they started how many deaths did they

00:58:26.960 predict in the UK was it half a million it was hard if

00:58:30.060 if if nothing was done if no restrictions were put in half

00:58:33.320 a million was gonna die yeah half a million to a million

00:58:35.280 US they predicted three to four million okay um that was

00:58:41.440 off right that was that was off and you know someone might

00:58:45.280 say oh well it's because it's because we did the

00:58:46.980 measures you don't know it's always hard to you know we

00:58:49.640 don't we don't really have the counter I mean I personally

00:58:51.560 would argue the vaccines have definitely reduced the

00:58:53.700 number of people have died I'm look I'm I think I'm not I'm

00:58:57.280 not against I'm not against any vaccination right I think

00:59:00.680 having as many options as possible vaccinations various

00:59:04.440 types of treatments etc it should all be it should all be

00:59:07.260 available right I don't I don't have the arrogance to

00:59:10.180 assume that I know the best thing for absolutely everyone or

00:59:13.880 that I know everyone's medical history and all these

00:59:16.140 details about them again like I'm I'm 35 years years old I'm

00:59:19.680 in great shape I've already had COVID I've got strong uh I've

00:59:23.240 got strong natural naturally acquired immunity my position is

00:59:26.840 not the same as an 80 year old who hasn't had COVID and

00:59:30.800 perhaps has one or two comorbidities and it's not the same

00:59:34.540 as a 10 year old child who's just perfectly healthy and

00:59:37.600 bouncing around and happy so to treat all of these people with

00:59:42.000 the one size fits all is is crazy I mean you know I like I

00:59:46.540 like peanut butter but if I were to mandate peanut butter

00:59:49.660 that's genocide look at it look at his face he hates it okay yeah

00:59:53.200 but it won't kill you no but I hate it but but there are there are

01:00:00.460 millions of people that you can could be killed by a couple of

01:00:03.720 peanuts or peanut but so that that's just an example of you know the

01:00:06.880 human body is complicated man penicillin has saved tons of lives there's

01:00:11.380 people you can kill with penicillin absolutely right all different people

01:00:14.280 respond differently to different medicines different foods we've known

01:00:17.880 this forever that's not that's nothing controversial so that's again why when

01:00:22.580 it comes to things like mandates I'm like this is that's psychotic right

01:00:27.480 you're going to kill some people you are if you take a billion people and you

01:00:32.480 mandate anything any medical injury you you are going to kill some people and

01:00:37.680 that is why it must always remain a choice right that's why it must always

01:00:41.960 remain a choice I think that there are segments of the population and

01:00:45.360 demographics where totally totally makes sense for them it's reasonable even if I

01:00:49.840 don't think it makes sense for them or whatever if you're an adult hey that

01:00:53.340 that's that's your choice and then you assume the risk on both sides right there is

01:00:57.800 risk on both sides you assume it and that equation is not the same for

01:01:01.680 everybody my personal view I think that giving these injections to children is

01:01:06.520 psychotic I think I think it's reckless right because the risk of the disease is

01:01:13.380 close to zero in terms of severe disease let alone death it's close to zero we

01:01:18.440 know that we've got data from every country in the world for two years we know

01:01:21.260 that okay the effect of the of the jabs on them we don't we do not know we do not

01:01:28.340 know they're still in trial even for healthy adults up until 2022 2023 but for

01:01:34.140 kids we we simply do not know so for me in my personal opinion that doesn't not

01:01:39.300 make sense again they do not block the transmission so you can't even make the

01:01:43.440 argument that okay give it to kids to protect you shouldn't be using kids to

01:01:47.800 protect adults anyway well well exactly like we'll have to wrap up but the very

01:01:52.280 basic point you've made is there's risks to everything yes and if you're

01:01:55.580 mandating vaccines for children statistically speaking that is going to

01:02:00.140 have a negative impact and I'm just gonna I'm not going to go into the details of

01:02:03.280 it for YouTube purposes but it's going to have a negative impact on some of those

01:02:06.940 kids statistically speaking that's a fact yes if you mandated peanut butter for all

01:02:12.140 the children in the world some of them would die yes what do you think about it like I'm not

01:02:16.400 going to get into the details but that's a fact right so you how many it's that

01:02:20.340 philosophical question that we always talk about if you could save a million

01:02:23.340 people by killing one innocent child would you um that's that's that's the

01:02:28.440 conversation right I don't think that's the conversation don't you no no I think

01:02:33.040 that's a false analogy why because you're talking about a mandate but that's

01:02:38.820 exactly what I'm saying but what yeah yeah it is mandate will kill someone no but

01:02:43.580 what I'm saying is that without the mandate yeah look everyone who wanted the jab took

01:02:48.000 it without a mandate yeah fact yeah right everyone who wanted it took it beyond any

01:02:53.540 mandate or bizarre incentives or whatever and that's that's it that should be the

01:02:57.380 finish line everyone who wants it has had a chance to get it yeah what I'm saying is

01:03:01.300 I'm agreeing with you I think we're mishearing each other is if you mandate a vaccine for

01:03:06.220 children or if you mandate peanut butter for children if you mandate whatever for

01:03:09.860 children in order to protect other people because as you say we know children are not

01:03:14.840 vulnerable to the virus gotcha gotcha right if you are doing that you are in you are knowingly

01:03:20.400 saying we are going to hurt some some kids in order to protect some other people to me

01:03:26.760 that's immoral yeah that's immoral agreed and also it's and also it's not correct in this

01:03:31.360 case right because it's not a sterilizing vaccine yeah yeah before we do our last question

01:03:36.440 I want to ask you this question I know what the answer is going to be but I want to ask

01:03:41.200 you anyway Zuby do you think we're going to go back to and I hate this term inverted commas

01:03:47.160 the old normal yes but I think it depends on the people I think it's this ends when this

01:03:52.940 ends when people decide it does for individual both on an individual and a societal level it

01:03:57.580 ends when you end it and do you think we're going to end it depends on the country okay some

01:04:04.360 places never started some places I don't have much hope for okay so let's see what places do

01:04:10.100 you have hope for and which places do I hope hope for I have hope for virtually every republican

01:04:14.060 led state in the USA I have hope for much of Africa I have hope for much of South America

01:04:21.300 Europe has certain pockets which I have hope for but overall you many parts of Western Europe

01:04:31.320 Canada Australia and New Zealand I think people are have I think too many people are welcoming in the

01:04:39.960 new regime I think that if you are a liberty-minded person you should be doing your best to get out

01:04:45.660 of those countries that's my personal view it's actually been my view of the past year

01:04:48.560 Zuby we've got last question for you as always which is what's the one thing no one's talking about

01:04:54.580 oh yeah uh I think I went real controversial on the last one so funnily enough I think it's health

01:05:02.400 I think actual health I'm not just talking about masks and jabs I mean actual health I think it's been

01:05:10.820 a catastrophe that this time period has not been used to really talk about the obesity epidemic

01:05:19.080 and all of the health problems which have merely been magnified by the COVID situation

01:05:27.160 I think this would have been the perfect time to really sound this message especially in countries

01:05:31.900 like the UK and USA where obesity rates have just been been skyrocketing

01:05:36.660 I think that the lack of conversation about nutrition about exercise lifestyle changes

01:05:43.000 generally living a healthy life and looking after your own body and taking that individual

01:05:48.800 personal responsibility I think that's really been lacking I think it's been lacking for several

01:05:53.820 decades and yeah this would have been the perfect opportunity so I think not enough as much as people

01:05:59.860 are talking about health not enough people are truly talking about the full scope of health

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01:13:08.900 okay so uh this is from resin pez why do nigerians seldom very rarely uh have a victim chip on the

01:13:16.320 shoulder and often refer to themselves as the americans of africa wow i'm not familiar with the

01:13:22.640 americans of africa part i'm not familiar with that term um in terms of absence of victim mindset i

01:13:28.120 i think number one i don't think there's any reason why we should specifically um and i mean that in in the truest sense as in

01:13:39.000 nigerians are not a group of people who specifically in history have been targeted or discriminated against or segregated say in the way the black americans absolutely were right just historical fact i think that's a factor and then i think beyond that i think the um

01:13:56.120 the um religiosity strong family ties um lots of focus around responsibility and education those things just being present in the culture and pretty well embedded from young people i think that's um i think that's the second main factor that makes sense and we'll go one more

01:14:26.120 um this is this is from rob and mike hawk uh who say what was the one thing or what were the incidents that made you think no that's not right and speak out as much as you do which i love by the way he says or she says

01:14:39.880 um just broadly generally speaking i think about this particular issue about the covid thing okay um i think i saw from early

01:14:49.000 uh i think it was the fact it was how unprecedented everything was right i mean diseases are not new viruses are not new we've even had some scares in our lifetime

01:15:03.160 uh mad cow disease bird flu um swine flu ebola zika virus there have been things that have sars hiv aids yes um i'm a little bit young for that but

01:15:16.760 i remember it vaguely so but what was different was the response we'd never had the masking policies and

01:15:25.800 everyone stay at home and everyone did like that to me was just set off alarm bells at the very beginning

01:15:32.840 and so i also saw down the line i practice a lot of you know second third fourth order thinking so i realized

01:15:40.280 the way if you if people give up these freedoms then it's really hard to get freedom back if you give

01:15:45.640 it up and i'm just aware of that so i thought from early we have to be very careful that the response

01:15:53.400 is not more deadly and harmful than the actual threat so i think that's why from the from very early on i

01:16:01.640 can just see the potential catastrophe just just like i think some people thought okay if this virus truly

01:16:07.800 does have a four percent mortality rate like they were suggesting in the beginning then you're

01:16:13.640 looking downstream and thinking whoa this is the catastrophe that could result thank god it was much

01:16:18.760 lower than that um and i believe that was the case from early so i thought wait this overreaction

01:16:25.480 is potentially going to cause more damage so that's why i started speaking out and kind of warning people

01:16:32.120 i guess of just where this could lead if people you know get get scared out of their wits rather than

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TRIGGERnometry - December 09, 2021

Zuby：＂This is a Moral Panic＂

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