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00:00:00.000 uh well paul it's only been a matter of weeks since the last time that we were together with

00:00:07.840 jivan and uh on the topic of independence in alberta when we were in calgary and now here

00:00:12.720 we are just weeks later a lot has happened politically in alberta and now we actually

00:00:18.160 have a referendum on the way says the premier yeah a referendum actually so she did a 12-minute

00:00:24.400 speech on this referendum on february 19th which is very significant because you know what happened

00:00:30.640 on the 18th tell me matt jenner oh that's true we had a cover yeah we had the crossing so it's very

00:00:36.800 interesting and you know i did a show uh javon and this is a very interesting show uh i'll send it to

00:00:42.880 you to watch but you know it's the straw that broke the camel's back right and it's the more things you

00:00:49.760 pile onto alberta and the more things like this you do and i you know strategically i watched this

00:00:55.040 and i thought to myself if i'm sitting in the prime minister's spot would i have even done that given

00:01:02.080 where alberta sits right now and what's going on in alberta and the answer came to mind right away was

00:01:08.720 no but yeah all of a sudden uh he crosses she comes out now i know she's you know she's got budgets and 0.92

00:01:18.000 everything going on and she has to you know deal with her own political parties within the province 0.79

00:01:24.400 but she comes out and she says okay now let's talk about a referendum yeah right good political

00:01:31.600 strategy in my mind and she says let's talk about why we are where we are so the first thing she hits

00:01:39.920 on she says and it's very clever she says you know what i'm going to give you the good news the good

00:01:46.240 news is oil is starting to go up we're starting to get some movement on a number of fronts in the

00:01:51.760 province and we have an mou that's imminent for the pipeline right and the way she positions it so 1.00

00:02:04.080 brilliantly done if you listen to the speech the way she positions it she says

00:02:08.640 she hopes so she hopes that the pipeline will come she doesn't say it's coming she hopes that the

00:02:17.920 mandate of the mou will take place which then makes you go take a look and you say well what's actually

00:02:25.040 going on with the pipeline what's been guaranteed right now if anything because since the announcement

00:02:31.440 of the mou javan have you heard anything well uh as far as the pipeline's concerned i'll make a comment

00:02:39.520 on that i've talked to a couple of people who are in the oil and gas industry and they look at these

00:02:45.840 investments the major risk with the pipeline is yeah fine uh you know you you have eb to deal with you

00:02:53.120 have the indigenous uh to deal with so it's not guaranteed plus in the old days when you had to put a 1.00

00:02:59.520 pipeline in you determine the route that it's uh will be dug and you simply just put the pipeline in

00:03:06.480 and you're finished in a couple years and now um there's so many issues that that uh are to be dealt

00:03:13.840 with because if you look at the uh the trans mountain pipeline you know there was uh you know

00:03:19.440 environmental laws there was some sort of a a bird or a frog that you know their habitat was endangered

00:03:26.400 so you could spend billions redesigning and that's a risk that you know none of the pipelines are going

00:03:33.440 to take so it's that's number one to consider and the mou simply right now is just a an understanding

00:03:43.280 there's nothing concrete about it mous fail uh sometimes and nobody knows right now the mou to us

00:03:52.960 on the independence movement uh just represents a softening of the issue but we know that pipeline

00:04:01.680 is going to cost millions uh sorry billions and will there be a private company willing to take the

00:04:08.640 risk and in our minds we uh we doubt that very much and the taxpayer cannot come to the rescue again

00:04:16.800 because the trans mountain instead of being costing around five billion by private industry

00:04:22.320 cost the taxpayers 30 over 34 billion it's not it's not even flowing at full uh capacity so there's room

00:04:31.760 in there uh you know so we're trying to understand the mou at the same time but we believe in the

00:04:39.600 independence movement that uh nothing will be satisfied carney is against uh pipelines ev is uh most

00:04:48.480 important important to him and don't forget the industrial carbon tax that's uh heavily imposed

00:04:54.560 on alberta who will take that risk so far we'll have to see yeah and you know what it's interesting so

00:05:03.600 i took a look and and i i went and i said okay i'm gonna go down this rabbit hole and i'm gonna see

00:05:08.720 what has happened you know what's happened in the mou that i could the only thing i could pull out the

00:05:13.840 only thing i could find is that alberta's government is preparing a detailed submission for the major

00:05:20.080 projects office remember the major projects office yeah so out of that whole mou and out of that whole

00:05:26.240 discussion and this is kind of my beef lately with with government in general in canada we do these

00:05:32.640 crazy projects uh plans or we talk about the cons the concepts then we ask for a project plan then we

00:05:40.640 sit around and talk about it for a long time you know you think at the time that we had the mou we

00:05:47.760 would have had a project plan in place a funding mechanism to to catapult this pipeline into gear but

00:05:56.000 it's going to be submitted in july so we're middle of the summer before anybody even makes an application

00:06:04.240 to what could be done here here's the proposal that that we have in mind at that point i would

00:06:10.240 assume there's a a processing time a digestion time then there's a rebuttal uh a period summer

00:06:17.360 there's no government and there's nobody around there's no one around there's government in canada

00:06:21.440 like they don't come back to the fall so july becomes the fall so what what have we done again

00:06:27.200 we've managed to move a pipeline through an entire year again and i think this is the frustration with

00:06:34.000 daniel smith government it is yeah we're accruing it yeah we're accruing this into the future and uh

00:06:40.960 trust me we're a great investment you know one of the things yeah so i just make a comment don't

00:06:46.160 forget in the past uh enbridge pulled out of spending billions of dollars on i believe it was

00:06:52.560 the northern gateway pipeline yeah they pulled out after spending more than a billion dollars on

00:06:59.280 documentation design uh tmx uh trans canada pulled out of the trans mountain spending billions uh so a lot

00:07:08.160 of investors already know that this is what they will have to put up with and who is going to take

00:07:15.280 the risk that's still to be shown and you know it i'm glad you made the point that for us in canada

00:07:21.920 to get projects in the ground takes so many years you know the average uh mining if you wanted to do

00:07:28.880 a mining project in canada it takes about 14 to 16 years uh to get through all the approvals it's

00:07:37.360 absolutely ridiculous compared to the market this is why we're missing the market on a regular basis

00:07:42.160 we do it with oil we do it with gas with natural gas we've done it with all of our our mining

00:07:46.720 opportunities uh we do it we do it with the olympics we do with everything it's not only resource projects

00:07:53.920 it's now sports at a time where we need to be taking steps not on on on the ice uh hoping to get

00:08:01.760 across we need to actually take a risk and make a jump on so many things you know uh jevon one of the

00:08:06.800 things when i when i heard uh danielle smith's uh speech my first reaction to it was does this kind

00:08:13.520 of fly in the face of independence in the sense that the referendum really doesn't get specific

00:08:19.360 about that at all and and in fact does it it felt to me like she's got independence as a threat

00:08:26.080 mechanism to get a better position ongoing with the federal government does that feel like that to you

00:08:32.000 um that you're partially right yes the the threat of independence is always there as leverage and

00:08:40.560 negotiating tactic but the uh the referendum questions that she broke it down in two categories

00:08:48.720 non-constitutional and constitutional and if you go through each one of those questions which alberton

00:08:55.520 is going to say no to any of those questions right of course nobody will and if you're a far left uh

00:09:04.160 person you know believes in the ndp the liberals i i even think you would have difficult time living in

00:09:10.480 alberta saying no to any of these questions that are posed so i think it's a a tactic used to just to

00:09:18.320 get people to think about uh independence get people to think what does it mean to live in alberta

00:09:25.680 and get people to at least have critical thought when they are reading these questions instead of

00:09:33.360 simply in an election you know you just mark an x beside the person you like without any critical

00:09:39.760 thought and that's what's been happening in elections in you know in canada for the last i don't know 40 50

00:09:45.280 years so we're in the independence movement we believe these questions are are good uh because it gets

00:09:53.120 people to think about independence and move the needle along to independence because if you're

00:09:58.560 sitting on the fence in alberta thinking about whether independence is correct or not these questions

00:10:04.880 you will have to read and think about them and hopefully that will lead you on to the path of

00:10:11.280 favoring independence so do you think that this is good uh pre-promotion as it were for a referendum

00:10:18.720 specifically on independence or does this delay that in some way it almost feel it felt to me as

00:10:25.040 an as a guy not in alberta at the moment it felt to me like a delay tactic on the topic of independence

00:10:30.880 uh in other words if we can get all this stuff straightened out for alberta then you know we may

00:10:35.360 we we probably won't become an independent uh nation yeah so uh she has said in her conference this was

00:10:44.720 one of the questions asked that if the independence movement can foster all those signatures uh she will

00:10:52.800 put it on the referendum if it satisfies i mean the question satisfies the constitutional um clearance on

00:11:00.320 it and if we get the required number of signatures and then it's verified by elections alberta she will

00:11:07.440 put the question on the referendum however a constitutional amendment question is standalone so

00:11:17.680 i can see that there'll be two ballots one for the questions that she has proposed those nine questions 0.68

00:11:25.200 and then there'll be a separate ballot on the independence yeah that's that's the impression that

00:11:31.440 i was given by her speech actually this is a referendum i'm calling absolutely on this

00:11:37.120 i've made a commitment to the petitions and you know moving that referendum along but it didn't seem

00:11:43.280 to me that those would occur at the same time maybe they will in separate ballots yeah but they'll be

00:11:48.320 separate ballots and you know you have to know uh our premier a little bit she truly believes

00:11:54.960 in the power to the people because that's her background you know if you look at her when she 0.99

00:12:00.880 was at the fraser institute um when i was with the wild horse party in 2012 she was a leader

00:12:07.920 she believes in you know people having responsibility that's why if you look at her

00:12:17.040 form of governance and you look at her ministers and this is why she gave them a letter at the start of

00:12:22.800 the year that you know this is your responsibility this is what i expect from you this is what has to

00:12:27.680 be carried out and she she does not believe in central control she believes in giving power and thereby

00:12:36.400 thought to the people and to her ministers that's why they're acting also very independently which uh

00:12:43.280 and you know which which is the way to govern you it's really difficult to govern from a central

00:12:49.600 centralized location as you can see you know with justin trudeau how central the power was with

00:12:55.520 gerald butts and trudeau and um it was it was a take the president of the party and christia freeland

00:13:02.400 just a few people and that was the complaint from the lot of the liberal mps that they had no input

00:13:08.240 into whatever they thought into the powers be in the liberal party so this is why i i believe

00:13:15.040 that they swayed and made so many wrong decisions and even if you so this is my my opinion is you

00:13:24.640 have to listen to others because a lot of people have good ideas and you know i as a central figure or

00:13:32.480 you know if i was a premier or if i was a minister i don't have all the good ideas i don't have all the

00:13:37.840 high intelligence a lot of people do i mean uh look at you uh paul and mike i mean you're excellent

00:13:45.360 journalists you come up with good questions and good rapport and you know i have to think about my

00:13:52.720 answers when you're asking the question well you know it's funny because the last time that we uh had

00:13:58.080 a discussion one of the comments got me and it warmed my heart javan because having met you i i know

00:14:03.120 you're a sweet lovely guy and you've got a a passion we we definitely made a bond and i thought that was

00:14:08.720 uh nice for us all in calgary but the the viewers took the same approach one of the comments said gee

00:14:14.880 i never thought independence was such a reasonable conversation which is really what needs to happen

00:14:20.240 i mean if that was the case historically in canadian politics if we had more of these discussions if there

00:14:26.880 was uh legitimate think tanks we would realize that we have to go to the people we have to hear the

00:14:33.040 voice of the people that are living within the boundaries of our concern and you're right i think

00:14:39.360 danielle smith has always made that commitment actually she's put alberta first in every way um

00:14:44.960 and uh often in in very difficult moments yeah agreed and i love how candid she is so you know she

00:14:51.680 comes out and she says listen when i took office oil was 90 a barrel it's 60 a barrel right now and

00:14:58.400 quite frankly i had a surplus i had in my heritage fund quite frankly i'm digging into my heritage fund

00:15:05.680 and there's no transfer payments in this province anymore so think about that that that's that's eerie

00:15:10.960 if you think about it so they're actually independent at the moment yeah so she's basically she's basically

00:15:17.280 not transferring any money because uh and uh so therefore they've met a challenge in their budget

00:15:25.040 and so she's sitting there saying uh alberta alone is starting to struggle now it's struggling because

00:15:32.400 the price of oil it's struggling because your immigration policies the number of people you brought in 1.00

00:15:39.040 you know you've added i think it was uh 600 000 600 000 yeah it was uh 2001 was three million um and now

00:15:50.240 it's actually gonna top out somewhere around five million right yeah from 600 600 000 in alberta that's

00:15:57.600 what she had identified yeah so it's you know they can't handle no and and so if if the source of our

00:16:07.680 funding for so many things in this country is now at a deficit look at ontario we're as a nation yeah

00:16:15.920 that's a great you know look at ontario is not coming up for air either so you know used to have

00:16:21.360 alberta and ontario and some of the other provinces would bounce back and forth now they're all negative

00:16:27.760 resources in one part of the country finance in another part of the country uh real estate and

00:16:33.600 mining in another part but all of those are at a failed position right now and alberta feels this

00:16:38.400 in a big way we talked about this the last time uh juvon you're living it i mean when the price of oil

00:16:44.480 is not competitive your life changes and and you know i can see the we can say the trend of oil is going

00:16:53.360 to go up okay that's what the trends are are showing and uh maybe you'll hit 90 100 again but you also

00:17:01.600 have to remember when in 2014 oil was at negative 30 a barrel alberta was still contributing in

00:17:11.360 equalization they were asking the oil industry was asking for help because uh bombardier gets

00:17:19.280 assistance the auto industry gets assistance everybody needs you know if industries fail they're

00:17:24.640 getting assistance and justin just refused to even examine what was happening in alberta so you know

00:17:35.280 we've suffered long enough we've encountered a lot of these types of policies um you know live from the

00:17:43.840 liberal party and each time this makes the independence movement stronger and stronger and i just want to

00:17:50.400 make a point getting back to you that you know uh it's nice to have decent conversations and i as

00:17:56.400 a canvasser to get petition signatures we've had a you know i've participated in a few pop-up events

00:18:02.480 where we just put out a table get three canvassers with partition sheets on a sidewalk or public land and

00:18:12.000 you know we do get a really good response people stop by they sign and you know they ask for

00:18:19.440 information where else they can which website they can enter but a few times you get people

00:18:26.400 flipping you the bird or calling you unpatriotic and i just wish those people would stop by and ask me

00:18:36.160 why do you favor independence you know let's have a discussion i think i've only encountered one person

00:18:44.560 that uh was not independently minded but willing to have a discussion with me and say you know what

00:18:51.280 oh and he's a he's a really good friend of mine so and he's a retired fireman he's a retired fireman

00:18:58.320 and i just you know he sent him by text some stats and uh you know he sent me some stats and i said

00:19:05.600 well this is money that alberta already sends to our we're just getting it back and he says well you can

00:19:09.920 manipulate stats as you want so but anyway we we just continue to have a really good discussion

00:19:15.520 and i'm trying to understand him and he's trying to understand me so i wish more people would stop by

00:19:20.960 instead of flipping me the bird it's valuable you know what even if you got to flip the bird at least

00:19:25.680 stop by and have a chat you know like or or save the bird to the end of the conversation let's be fair

00:19:31.760 about it you know i wanted to ask this paul and uh maybe this was on your mind as well some of the

00:19:36.480 critics and legal uh experts we talked about this we touched on it slightly the last time we got

00:19:41.520 together they they believe that uh alberta cannot legally secede under the canadian constitution

00:19:49.760 even if a referendum shows a majority support so what's the practical road map from a yes you and

00:19:56.880 i talked about this in in brief uh with paul the last time but now that there's more there's more

00:20:03.040 legal way in on this you know how do we get from or how do you get from point a to point b from

00:20:11.120 referendum to independence has that been a plan that's been presented to albertans and to the

00:20:16.960 government uh so what i know is that uh if according to the clarity act uh once uh you have the

00:20:27.040 uh referendum question passed by albertans and it's simply to us it means 50 plus one and you start

00:20:35.040 negotiations on on independence and somehow if those negotiations fail and cannot carry on any further

00:20:45.280 there is a clause in the clarity act which was uh i i read it on twitter as well with from one of our

00:20:52.480 experts that if those negotiations fail then the promise can declare unilaterally independence and

00:21:04.480 all that has to happen is to be recognized by another country and we've got four countries i believe that

00:21:11.920 are willing to recognize us us argentina uh hungary uh and i forget the fourth one who was but so you

00:21:22.720 know everybody we're hoping everybody negotiates in good faith you know if the referendum passes

00:21:29.440 if not this is this is the way in addition yesterday there was a by-election in quebec a party

00:21:37.280 quebecois candidate one well where's the anger there where's the unpatriotic uh sentiment there okay

00:21:47.440 it's so unequal when we see this happening as albertans that we're called unpatriotic and we're

00:21:56.080 called all sorts of names from from a very small minority but look look at the media have they responded

00:22:03.120 to the party quebecois winning that by-election saying this cannot happen in canada no you know

00:22:12.240 it's equal to somebody crossing the floor out of the province yeah yeah i mean how does that living

00:22:18.240 in bc but having run in alberta unbelievable yeah you know it it's interesting and in her speech uh she

00:22:26.800 was very definitive that was what caught me you know and i having watched it multiple times you know

00:22:32.880 she says alberta will double our pipeline capacity over the next 10 years our producers will grow and

00:22:39.040 fill the pipe we will not permit alberta's and canada's most valuable resource deposits worth

00:22:45.520 almost 10 trillion to remain in the ground to the detriment of millions of canadians that's not

00:22:50.560 going to happen and then that was her segue into her questions so she was the way she planted that

00:22:57.520 she kind of put that kind of fork in the in the ground and she said okay so that's done that is

00:23:02.880 going to happen now july is kind of a very interesting time because when uh july is we're

00:23:09.760 gonna have a busy july in canada for summer kuzma's coming up right right she's gonna put in her major 0.98

00:23:15.680 projects you know and she's saying like okay you know enough time she's now in a budget deficit

00:23:22.560 so she doesn't want to stay in a budget deficit so she's putting kind of the pressure on to say

00:23:28.560 i'm going to sit around and wait for a while but after a while you got to get moving so this is all

00:23:32.800 kind of culminating into the october time something has to many things have to occur and show sunlight

00:23:39.760 for a fall referendum in alberta so she's basically shot a flare into the air for the for the federal

00:23:45.600 government saying okay carny here's what you know this is what we're talking about i've made it real

00:23:51.200 clear and in the fall we're going to visit it as a as a province yep and here's your timeline you

00:23:56.000 better get there by this timeline yeah so you know do what you want travel to as many countries

00:24:01.920 that quite frankly you don't export anything to right now have fun but when you get back we better

00:24:07.280 go back to business right you know i think we better do a poll okay i'll tell you why one of the

00:24:12.320 things i wanted to point out sorry and i don't mean to pull off of this but yeah you just made me think

00:24:17.040 i was reading uh a recent poll and and i i don't know if you know this i'm not a huge poll lover

00:24:23.440 uh having said that a recent poll shows that support for alberta leaving canada remains in a

00:24:28.800 minority position fewer than three in ten or twenty nine percent albertans say they'd vote for the

00:24:34.080 province to leave what are the what are these results in the poll mean to an independent movement

00:24:41.120 well uh to us it really means nothing we're focused on getting our signatures talking to people

00:24:49.920 in our town halls and we know that uh you know the thirty percent are in favor of total independence

00:24:58.640 thirty percent or not is the thirty percent in the middle that sit on the fence and when they're

00:25:03.760 reading these questions that our premier has presented and these are going to get the thirty percent

00:25:08.880 who are sitting on the fence to think and move one way or the other and you know even even if you're

00:25:16.800 running an office look how many times the polls have been wrong okay you're focused on even myself when

00:25:22.880 i'm running campaigns i focus on door knocking connecting with the voters discussing issues i don't

00:25:29.680 even look at polls the only poll that matter is at the very end um that if you win or not okay

00:25:37.040 that's the only poll that we're considering we're just focused on completing our mission and we don't

00:25:44.240 we don't even look at the polls that go polls reported by the media who are really employees

00:25:50.160 of the government because they get subsidies from the government and they're going to have the

00:25:54.800 government talking points and i you know the other polls as as independent media reports they're up to

00:26:02.960 sometimes i read up to 40 percent even then i'm not paying attention to that we don't pay attention to

00:26:07.600 that it could be a 50. we want to focus on getting our signatures getting our message and moving forward

00:26:14.320 towards independence yeah well i think that's why are you you know you probably get asked this all the

00:26:22.000 time so you you don't have to answer but are are you over are you close are you over your number

00:26:27.680 so right now no one has an idea because all those partition sheets are sitting with canvassers uh

00:26:36.480 and they fill them out they sit with canvassers uh some of them get mailed to head office a lot of them

00:26:42.480 are you know sitting summit i've asked some to be returned to me because i am the regional co-leader

00:26:48.480 for my writing and uh nobody will know probably till towards the end of april because uh

00:26:55.040 uh for the next couple weeks everybody's going to be trying to send in their signed sheets

00:27:00.960 and so that at least head office has uh some sort of an idea where we're at but really nobody's going

00:27:09.120 to know uh till till the very end of april early may uh i mean there's there's no way to even guess at it

00:27:20.320 but you look at all the lineups i mean there was a signing in yuma arizona because a lot of people

00:27:27.760 in western canada a vacation or go winter holidays in arizona and eastern canadians go to florida

00:27:35.680 like 300 people showed up in yuma yuma is a very small town so uh wow they came to sign so that we have

00:27:43.360 signings in arizona and mexico and you look at here like on a full day there's somebody will set

00:27:51.440 out a table like at minus 10 for a couple hours and they're probably get they're getting 20 30

00:27:58.400 signatures so the what's your gut tell you is focused on that how how what's your gut tell you

00:28:04.480 though javan how close to the lion or how far over it have you have you guys gone do you think just just

00:28:08.880 your prediction uh well i'm living in a bubble right so and i try to remove myself out of the

00:28:17.760 bubble because i try to read what the opposition is saying what others are saying about uh uh independence

00:28:24.080 or what their view is on independence and they're anti-independence uh supporters so uh i i don't want

00:28:31.280 to be in the bubble too much i like to be outside but in the bubble you're if i'm in the bubble oh geez

00:28:36.480 it's going so good right and uh i mean to get 200 000 signatures that are verified by elections alberta

00:28:47.200 and you know uh i you know i i hope we're close i hope we're close we have 15 approximately 50 more

00:28:55.600 days to go we're trying to we're trying to get over we're trying to get to 400 000 i believe or

00:29:02.560 even a million but let's see i i think we're close that's because i'm in the bubble

00:29:09.520 i like that admission by the way that's very human yeah no it's very good hey but i want to touch on

00:29:14.960 you because you mentioned it earlier you know the questions the nine questions and so i found it very

00:29:20.880 interesting how it spurred conversation i love this because we do we do long form podcasting all week long

00:29:26.880 and i love when uh someone puts something into the biosphere the air the atmosphere and it incites a

00:29:33.600 bunch of conversations so she does her speech and it you know the first five questions revolve around

00:29:39.760 immigration policy so you know healthcare immigration policy social services immigration policy how they're

00:29:47.280 funded um you know whether or not you believe that people should uh be in the country at least a year

00:29:53.360 before they start to receive them whether people should participate in funding them before they

00:29:57.920 become a permanent resident they're all good questions right so you know i'm looking at this

00:30:03.360 and i the first thing i thought is well you know i thought they were strange questions but then i started

00:30:09.520 reading them and the one that got me the most javon and mike were was the one to vote in alberta election

00:30:17.120 you must be 18 and an ordinary ordinarily resident in uh alberta so you actually had to prove that you

00:30:28.720 for the most part live in alberta yeah you're an alberton yeah so you must be registered you must be

00:30:34.720 an alberton you must be 18. i'm like okay that's just given i think yeah i thought so too but she seemed

00:30:39.680 to put that in there and then quite frankly you know the rest of them right after she says it of course

00:30:46.720 uh pierre polyev and the conservative party pick up on it and they go to the house and they have

00:30:51.680 quite a long debate and it's interesting to watch it actually occurred yesterday they have a huge debate

00:30:58.640 about health care the condition of health care and immigration so it's kind of funny because this

00:31:06.320 you know this premier very bright premier um instigated a conversation then it seemed i kind of

00:31:13.280 laugh because it seemed like all of a sudden this was a new thought for all these people in the

00:31:17.360 house right they're sitting there right like how to housing and immigration intersect how to health

00:31:23.120 care and immigration intersect like they're all like talking and he's getting up and saying you know

00:31:27.280 this is the you're the worst health care you know the worst and pierre's going on and you know

00:31:32.160 carney gets up and says i've cut off immigration since you know i got in power you know the last there's

00:31:38.240 been 60 percent less uh pr 60 percent less foreign students 60 you know and they're yelling back and

00:31:45.840 forth and i'm thinking i think they missed the point and it's interesting how they did miss the point

00:31:52.400 the point is which they're not getting is that this is a province that uh had transfer payments was uh had

00:31:59.680 a heritage fund that was robust as a reserve to protect the the citizens of alberta they're now cutting

00:32:05.760 into it to get this money and she's worried about it so she wants to address it because she's being

00:32:12.320 overrun with new immigrants of course and you can't unring a bell after a certain period of time unless 1.00

00:32:18.160 you make a really definitive move you can't unring that bell you're stuck with it well you see what's

00:32:23.600 happening in the u.s when they're trying now so you know they let all the unrest civil unrest because

00:32:28.240 they let all these people and then try to remove them out so you know she's trying to do it but the

00:32:32.480 funny thing is on the federal side these two guys are standing up and they're going back and forth

00:32:36.240 grandstanding on what they've done but what they don't acknowledge is what they have done has not

00:32:42.560 been enough right and it's instigated the problem so you know pierre can say whatever he wants to say

00:32:48.480 but this problem happened on his watch too carney can say whatever he wants to say but carney's there

00:32:54.320 he was there behind the scenes now he's in front of the scenes and we still have the problem so what do

00:32:58.480 you do with it now and is she right so the thing is what they never address is the only way to get a

00:33:05.840 balanced budget back you know not hoping because you know hoping that a commodity goes up in price

00:33:11.840 is a wonderful thing but you know hope is beautiful but quite frankly you know it's hard to sell right

00:33:18.160 so you can hope that all goes up to your point you can hope that it increases to 65 70 75 dollars a

00:33:23.760 barrel you don't know you don't know so she has to do a budget that really with her current 1.00

00:33:29.360 circumstances and so no it's a little more free form at the moment she has to get a new 0.99

00:33:36.000 she has to create new boundaries around her budget is now her budget her budget when i and i feel i

00:33:40.800 i really thought it was kind of funny because they both failed to address the issue that she's trying to

00:33:45.600 address and she's trying to do it through a referendum but she's actually putting it back to the people

00:33:50.400 to say i'm in a bind we're in a deficit i don't want to be in a deficit i don't want to see our

00:33:55.520 heritage reserve go down i want to get this resolved what do i do and and i i like that you know i said it

00:34:03.200 on shows before with uh you mike i uh i lived in the states for 12 years i like referendums well it lights

00:34:11.440 a fuse like you point out suddenly we're talking about it in parliament right i mean and a lot of the

00:34:16.720 javon a lot of the things you've mentioned today suddenly through this through the lens of alberta

00:34:22.560 are starting to show up on the docket at parliament um so regardless of what happens

00:34:28.640 with the movement or even with the referendum you're right it seemed to be like a wake-up call

00:34:35.280 i don't know why every every poll every canadian article everything about our finances and our

00:34:39.840 healthcare system and our immigration has been out there for months and months and months but

00:34:44.640 maybe they're all too maybe all the other premiers are too afraid to address and that's what i love

00:34:49.200 about this speech every other premier is afraid to address this issue i'm afraid to say immigration i'm

00:34:54.480 afraid to say that the costs are too high right now and i'm afraid to say it she had no worries she got

00:35:00.480 up there and just said that's what it is right now that started a conversation you notice that for the

00:35:07.440 most part in other every other province it's been pretty quiet absolutely now yeah in the last since

00:35:14.400 this conversation now we see the east coast standing up saying we're basically broke uh and we have no

00:35:22.080 industry and our health care is failing yeah yeah so i mean now and by the way you you sent a bunch of

00:35:28.160 pr people down here to try to get citizenship and now we're taking care of them and trying to get them 1.00

00:35:33.200 housing yeah and we're having you know going to school yeah what do we do that's a good so anyway

00:35:40.480 it was i do i do actually i reflect that because i i did get the same vibe out of that speech like okay

00:35:47.200 come on this is the wake-up call i think at least at alberton that must feel pretty good yeah and i you

00:35:52.640 know i agree with paul our the rest of canada our politicians are so weak they're so afraid to say

00:36:00.640 what's true and what should be the policy of each provincial government to counter immigration to

00:36:09.360 counter the high crime rates we have and not just keep appeasing immigrants to to sort of relay the 1.00

00:36:16.720 message you know we're kind compassionate people just vote for me but i will repeat the question that

00:36:23.200 daniel asked about immigration so that we're clear it says do you support the government of alberta

00:36:29.360 introducing a law mandating that only canadian citizens permanent residents and individuals

00:36:36.320 with an alberta approved immigration status will be eligible for provincially funded programs such as

00:36:42.160 healthcare education and other social services she's she's brought the issue to the forefront now

00:36:50.240 like you know please address it because we can't afford it anymore and this is this is an issue that's

00:36:57.600 going to keep coming up and up now my other concern is that as soon as carney obtains a majority

00:37:07.680 i believe the probability is very high he will issue asylum to all illegals that are here all the 0.98

00:37:16.480 students that are here they've declared a lot of students who have expired visas for studying are now

00:37:23.920 claiming refugee status so then they go on a two-year program with funding and so this is this is another

00:37:32.320 issue that's coming up and she's kind of already addressing this uh in these questions right that

00:37:39.520 we're going to be faced with a major major issue yeah and and so i believe this has to be addressed

00:37:46.480 right away but the other premiers and even the prime ministers so scared to address it they should not be

00:37:53.360 in power they should not be elected they should just have simply another job

00:37:59.840 and you know it's and then the next four questions which i thought and i really wanted to get your

00:38:04.400 opinion on she goes on she says have provincial governments and not federal government select the

00:38:11.600 justices appointed to the province's king's bench and appeals court very specific very specific right

00:38:19.600 so that's something she she really wants change and the reason paul she brought it up because quebec 0.97

00:38:25.280 has all the all of that they um you know they participate in who their judges are going to be

00:38:31.600 and the border says that we want the same and carney has come out and you know so far nobody's

00:38:36.960 addressing these they kind of said no they will be federally appointed and so this is another so these

00:38:43.360 issues are you know the the average citizens just doesn't pay attention they quietly go along living

00:38:49.680 their lives and in the meantime you know the federals the liberal party is uh instituting these types of

00:38:58.560 policies and and don't forget i think i believe this was instituted by was it uh pure trudeau that

00:39:04.880 instituted this uh i have to check up on that but i don't want to say he did it but you know these are very

00:39:10.800 important policies to uh to provincial governments and so far you know nobody's addressing it it just

00:39:18.160 leads people to think about independence further and and you don't get bail reform you don't get bail

00:39:24.720 reform by putting federally appointed judges from ottawa in a calgary courthouse you don't you don't create

00:39:33.920 the right understanding of that community's needs and how to respond to it and then you also see

00:39:40.400 him maybe i'm wrong about this guys and you correct me you seem to put this liberal stamp of approval

00:39:46.640 on the thinking of that judiciary right which is it's interesting how you know uh different it is

00:39:53.600 i'm going to bring up the us for a minute having lived there for a longer period of time you know

00:39:58.480 it's interesting how controversial that court is gaining control of that supreme court gaining you're

00:40:04.160 seeing it now right with this uh tariff decision and all the the overruling and him now having to

00:40:10.400 embargo like it is a very uh the control position of your courts are very integral to the running of

00:40:16.960 your country and she's getting it right yeah she's saying to javon's point you can you know you're

00:40:23.040 watching the wheels turn she's saying she's saying i want what quebec has because then i can control how

00:40:27.920 i run my product yeah it keeps an eye on fraud it keeps an eye on corporate crime and let me let me

00:40:34.480 say this did you hear her say that uh in there afterwards she was asked a question 80 of the

00:40:41.200 judges that are appointed by the liberal party they're the judges are liberal and they've contributed

00:40:47.360 to the liberal party uh why is that not a conflict okay why are judges allowed to contribute to parties

00:40:54.960 they should not be this is a conflict and then you get all these judges in alberta that are of

00:41:00.400 the liberal mindset and we're not like that right and then she says abolish the unelected federal senate 0.99

00:41:13.040 okay that should be number one yeah it's a hard number one to hit first you have to well i don't

00:41:21.200 know if you remember mike let me say this i don't know if you remember years ago when harper was in

00:41:27.200 power it was one senator he never bothered to show up for any senator he any senate hearings meetings he

00:41:34.720 was living in mexico and collecting his 170 000 a year that's all that's good work if you can get it javon

00:41:43.920 um so allow the provinces to opt out of the federal programs in uh intruding on provincial jurisdiction

00:41:55.600 such as health education social services without losing any of the associated federal funding for

00:42:02.400 use in their own provincial social programs well i mean i really believe that this is something every

00:42:11.280 province should probably look at demanding yeah because everybody needs to have a balanced budget 0.92

00:42:17.760 to go out out there with but they do need the funding i mean it's it's only fair that they have

00:42:25.840 control of the money that goes toward funding things like health care and education exactly because

00:42:32.080 they can maximize it that way it's not as tied to government tax incentives or this kind of building

00:42:38.160 process or it just allows that province to do the best they possibly can and then if you need to

00:42:45.440 you know uh top up the budget you you're responsible for that as a province right which which social

00:42:52.160 program in canada is working really well right now right yeah so because it isn't a pinpointed targeted

00:42:59.680 approach no prevent province by province or city by city yeah money goes up money comes down quite

00:43:05.200 frankly it gets allocated to programs programs don't work you can't affect them how many stops does the

00:43:10.800 money make on the way to alberta for god's sake i mean by the time ten dollars gets to alberta it must be

00:43:16.400 three i'm just thinking you know well like i think that i think the senate is a social program

00:43:23.680 ah i did not know that oh thank you john all right the senators do nothing they get paid

00:43:30.240 okay you know if you could do it from mexico it does sound like a social program that maybe we

00:43:36.400 need to look at and then she passed so go ahead sorry i just like to add before we forget uh she

00:43:42.560 also made a point that uh the temporary foreign workers who come to canada should bring in their own

00:43:47.440 insurance and you know uh alberta doesn't uh demand it but ontario does ontario says if you're

00:43:55.600 temporary foreign worker bring your own insurance uh so all these questions uh paul and mike uh it's

00:44:03.040 leading up for me to think you know we're such a vast country that if we don't have localized

00:44:08.960 decision makers it doesn't work we have vast country thinly populated we have to have local

00:44:17.280 governments controlling most of their decision making and it's very difficult to have central power

00:44:23.440 oh i agree and then i think you know and your earlier comment when we started the show you

00:44:30.000 mentioned that you think that pretty much it's going to pass the referendum on this is going to

00:44:35.440 be positive so they're going to basically vote yes it's going to be an overwhelming yes to all these

00:44:42.160 questions so these nine questions will be check marked yes it's going to come through and she's going

00:44:46.560 to have a mandate from the people then to go to the other provinces and say join me in talking to

00:44:52.880 ottawa about this who do we think is going to come who do we think you know that's an interesting

00:44:59.360 thing so now she's going to be sitting with a mandate from her constituents to go forward i'm 0.99

00:45:03.920 gonna name them okay saskatchewan new brunswick nova scotia guaranteed yeah yeah i'd probably yes look at

00:45:14.960 winnipeg the middle class we did a show yesterday the middle class winnipeg has disappeared manitoba

00:45:19.600 they have to do something i think that the i think that the self-righteous centers of the universe

00:45:24.400 vancouver and toronto will uh scoff at this well it depends you know it's interesting so the success

00:45:32.560 rate might like momentum has a lot to do with this we're struggling so in ontario right now we're

00:45:38.080 starting to see some of the cracks right so we're cutting education funding we're cutting we're talking

00:45:43.040 about cutting health care funding because i think what they're saying that they're not talking to us

00:45:48.320 about is that they're far exceeding their budget deficit so the 11 12 14 16 billion dollars they

00:45:56.080 said we're going over i think they're seeing that this thing is going to go worse right so i think

00:46:00.480 then and you know we're coming to the end of the fiscal year they're seeing this thing kind of

00:46:05.360 exploding so all of a sudden you know these announcements that are coming out you know we've

00:46:09.920 gotten past the mandate of elections and now we're actually sitting there and we're going

00:46:13.680 you know it's not so great so which then actually kind of ties her questions into where we're going

00:46:22.880 it's interesting to watch right because you might be right she might have positioned these questions

00:46:27.040 just as much for the other provinces i think so she did for her own province you know many similar

00:46:32.800 issues i think these premier you know these premier uh meetings they have i think there's a dinner going

00:46:38.240 on and at some point she asked for the room and she says here's where i'm going right just so you know

00:46:43.920 or even better they're like danielle we need you to do something you know it may be that

00:46:49.200 like it it did look yeah you know what uh you're right they they need they need uh i think the other

00:46:54.080 premium is looking for a leader to kind of lead the way same as the independence movement like i said

00:46:58.720 it's been in alberta since the mid-70s and for the last 50 years they've been looking for

00:47:05.280 a strong organization with strong leaders and this is what's really fueled the independence movement

00:47:12.480 because we've got those in place now and uh maybe some of these other premiums are saying okay you

00:47:17.200 know what i think uh premier smith uh has a lot of courage and i think we should support her so it's

00:47:23.520 opened the door and these this is the conversations that are are needed and should have happened you know

00:47:30.160 years ago and peter when peter law he was empowered in alberta it had happened to a certain extent uh

00:47:36.640 but not to to the depth of these because at that time it was it was a different time

00:47:42.800 well it's interesting to see alberta kind of leading the way on the tough questions i think

00:47:46.640 that's what we're seeing uh to start with uh javan thank you so much uh please come back as the

00:47:52.400 referendum gets closer or issues cross your mind it's nice as we always point out uh whether we agree or

00:47:58.880 not i don't want alberta to leave you know my feelings on that i need you guys to stay i like

00:48:03.280 the whole arrangement uh personally and i think many canadians do but i think the issues that you

00:48:07.680 raise are important to all of us and that we have these conversations paul i think is really important

00:48:13.120 i do too thanks jivan thank you and i truly appreciate the opportunity that you provide me to

00:48:19.920 discuss these issues and my my own opinions you know i'm not party leader i'm just a single person

00:48:26.560 that's involved in the movement and uh i'm hoping for alberta independence because i think we'll

00:48:33.120 never escape uh the liberal party's policies ways they have well i'll tell you guys this when i start

00:48:41.120 the king kingdom of lobster which is known as the east coast of canada now and i compact this all

00:48:46.880 together we'll join we'll join the referendum movement as well i have one more point to make one

00:48:53.360 is i forgot to say this when we're talking about four crossing did you know i there was a motion made

00:48:59.920 in the house of commons i don't know when uh peer paulia was an mp he voted against it

00:49:08.240 oh hmm against the floor crossing i guess well i mean it's it seems just downright not patriotic oh yeah

00:49:15.360 well you know so at least that well thanks very much thank you very much uh we did an episode

00:49:22.080 previously with jivan if you want to go deeper into the topic of uh independence more so than we even

00:49:26.720 did today i encourage you to go back in time subscribe tell a friend about it and uh jivan do you mind

00:49:32.400 people reaching out to you with questions comments or i don't know donations i will uh reach out to

00:49:39.040 people and ask for donations to the independence movement as well as to patriot love all right thank

00:49:46.560 you so much we'll see you next time and we'll see you next time right here on tpl go to tplmedia.ca

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