True Patriot Love - October 21, 2026


Alberta Votes to Stay — But Danielle Smith's Problems Just Began

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Alberta Votes: Could This Referendum Change Canada Forever?

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00:00:00.000 Yesterday, Albertans voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining a province of Canada.
00:00:05.380 The debate regarding our province's future in Canada has been many years in the making,
00:00:09.840 as Albertans have struggled to address many long-standing and legitimate grievances with
00:00:14.440 Ottawa. Alberta will remain a province of Canada. Albertans will continue to be Canadians,
00:00:20.640 and our government will work cooperatively with Albertans, the federal government,
00:00:24.400 and our fellow provinces to secure a prosperous future for our province and our country.
00:00:30.700 And I want to make it clear tonight that for as long as I am Premier,
00:00:34.900 I will honour this mandate from Albertans and will not be holding another referendum on this issue.
00:00:45.300 With the words last night, I will honour this mandate from Albertans
00:00:49.900 and will not be holding another referendum on this issue,
00:00:53.160 Daniel Smith has spoken to talk more about her words to the media after the referendum.
00:00:58.720 Live from Alberta, with his shacket and his nickelback tickets in his pocket,
00:01:03.560 he is Mike Wixson.
00:01:04.660 How are you?
00:01:06.720 You know what?
00:01:07.620 I always feel underdressed around you guys, but more so today than ever.
00:01:12.500 But you're right.
00:01:13.100 I'm enjoying the Alberta dinner jacket today.
00:01:17.780 And thank you for noticing.
00:01:20.300 Yeah.
00:01:20.540 Well, and we noticed a lot of things about Alberta and it was an interesting statement, Paul Micucci from Daniel Smith.
00:01:27.800 She'll meet with the media later today because there were no questions last night.
00:01:31.900 Just an homage to the troops from CFP Wainwright talking about the vote, talking about the referendum, her statement.
00:01:39.620 But that's it. And then off she went.
00:01:42.600 Yeah, very quick. 12 minutes. Didn't really get into the issues short and sweet.
00:01:48.320 i think really you know and i'm gonna turn it over to mike because mike what are you hearing on the
00:01:53.680 ground because i thought it was kind of an underwhelming uh 12 minutes of this is what
00:01:59.040 we did quite frankly we learned a few things and we're remaining in canada and she ran off thank
00:02:05.600 you yeah yeah good night all and so like how are people reacting on the ground because um i know
00:02:12.080 the news is horrifically being misstated and wrong and when you watch tv here and uh quite
00:02:19.680 frankly there's so many errors in the reporting on cbc and cp24 here right now it's hard to figure
00:02:25.840 this out yeah you know uh first of all guys i will say this uh um my condolences to the majority of
00:02:33.760 the people staying in the hotel that we're in in uh medicine hat are uh cf caf members that are
00:02:41.280 going through a hell of a tragedy and a reset over here. That is really the majority of people
00:02:48.140 that I've been exposed to over the last, you know, sort of few hours this morning. And the response,
00:02:54.120 very interestingly, Paul, is much like you think it would be. There wasn't really a lot of meat on
00:02:59.520 that bone. There was a lot of that. It felt, I think, to many people like a lot of self-back
00:03:08.600 padding over creating a sovereignty in the nation that we haven't seen in a long time.
00:03:14.220 No real mention of the near miss on votes and certain categories. And then the other thing
00:03:20.140 that kind of got fed back to me was that this is a counting debacle on the basis of way too many
00:03:27.000 questions, way too much to cover. That is really sort of what I'm hearing back here from just the
00:03:32.920 average Canadian. And I think, Mike, to that end, and we alluded to it in previous discussions with
00:03:37.940 Paul most of these kind of referendums in any democracy is two maybe three
00:03:42.860 questions ten is virtually unheard of is it not yeah it is and quite frankly it
00:03:48.800 took it took over 24 hours to get questions one to nine counted and quite
00:03:55.400 you know and this is 1.5 1.8 1.9 million votes on these questions one to nine
00:04:04.320 where on election night federally we count 2012 to 20 million votes in a couple of hours in a
00:04:10.720 couple of hours we couldn't even get this done in 20 so when i went this morning to take a look at
00:04:14.960 the new vote counts i was astonished to see how much the vote counts had changed on from the
00:04:21.360 unofficial vote counts that are an election's alberta site in 24 hours and i'm like oh my
00:04:26.640 goodness this went on for like a day so that's that's how long it took for them even to tally
00:04:34.000 so now now we have it finally tallied up and and you're listening to again you're listening to
00:04:41.360 your local news and they're misstating it they're saying it wrong they're not meticulous with their
00:04:46.560 words uh again if 77 of people voted right voted to remain in canada that's a true statement correct
00:04:54.880 right of the people who voted of the people who voted but again yesterday and i'm not going to
00:04:59.040 go through all the numbers because jim asked me not to and i appreciate that
00:05:04.000 jim how dare you you know it's in the numbers we get our best arguments come on
00:05:09.520 i don't want a tsunami of numbers to me no no but 3.1 i just get it quickly a very quick favor
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00:05:42.560 nothing keeps you informed so thank you now back to the show 3.1 million eligible voters correct we
00:05:50.640 talked about that yesterday right and out of the 3.1 million eligible voters 1.498 million 1 million
00:05:59.760 498 000 voted to remain in canada yes 48 000 48 percent of the eligible voters voted to stay so
00:06:11.120 that's what we got we got 40 that's the truth there were 3.1 million 48 said let's stay there
00:06:18.080 there was almost a little less,
00:06:20.680 but 37% of eligible voters never showed up.
00:06:24.560 They didn't even vote.
00:06:25.700 Didn't we just have a new Premier Quebec voted in
00:06:28.240 with less than 30% of the eligible voters in the province?
00:06:31.760 This goes back to our conversation
00:06:33.500 that it's become a democratic issue in Canada.
00:06:37.140 It is.
00:06:37.660 This is such a huge tipping point
00:06:40.580 in the history of Alberta and the nation.
00:06:43.180 Why are there not more people voting?
00:06:45.560 I don't understand it.
00:06:46.740 But even to that end, Jim, if the people are voting, why are we not able to tabulate?
00:06:54.960 It's just astonishing to me in this day and age that tabulation, because a speech was written, a reaction was given, the night of the vote survey, there was a huge party.
00:07:10.040 now 24 hours later the numbers are starting to change and the attention and spotlight has already
00:07:16.360 started to move away from this entire thing so mike you're there um here's what i don't understand
00:07:23.320 i just voted in my municipal election where i live in southern ontario online in under five minutes
00:07:31.100 i think the whole thing took like three or four minutes was this not an option for this referendum
00:07:36.440 have been alberta someone could have done it online uh it was a uh good question jim i don't
00:07:42.020 know how that was handled for certain sectors however the actual lineup vote scenario was so
00:07:47.920 impacted by the length of the vote the complexity of the experience that the lineups even at 10
00:07:55.500 o'clock at night the lineups were just starting to end and people the final votes were coming in
00:08:01.240 I don't know how we had such positive coverage.
00:08:05.500 It was great.
00:08:06.220 And by the way, I don't want to come off like a negative Nancy about this whole thing, because that's not my purpose.
00:08:11.620 I certainly am delighted that the general response from Albertans and Canadians is thumbs up.
00:08:18.100 But the process was obviously really over encumbered by the size of the survey, the number of people that showed up.
00:08:25.600 and you know paul to your end i wonder if people just walked away from the lineups well yeah it's
00:08:33.680 a great point paul like wouldn't you i eventually like hey i gotta get up for six and take my kids
00:08:38.120 to school and go to work i'm out of here but they had advanced polling over a number of days
00:08:42.400 yeah i think it was four days of advanced point they had lots of time to get out and vote they
00:08:47.180 just weren't interested in voting in my it's that's my belief and you know the sad part about
00:08:52.480 this is in her speech last night she talks about the fact that she's now
00:08:56.920 going to work towards immigration new immigration policies yes so just to give
00:09:02.260 you some numbers and this is again not gonna bore you with them all but the no
00:09:07.300 show numbers the eligible people to vote who didn't show up on and vote on
00:09:12.760 questions one to five range from 39 percent to 51 percent the people who
00:09:19.720 voted yes that they wanted changes in immigration policy ranged from 27% to 33%. So the number of
00:09:31.720 people who didn't show up were greater than the number of people who voted yes to change
00:09:35.600 immigration. And that doesn't even count for the number of people who voted no. So that's how
00:09:41.060 crazy these decisions are. These decisions are not logical decisions that you make policy changes
00:09:49.040 on and that's because you don't have enough representation of people voting to make those
00:09:54.100 changes and quite frankly that's where this falls apart and so when she said that last night i'm
00:09:59.580 like why don't you just say that that's what you want to do that's what your party wants to do
00:10:04.760 because that's what you're saying that you're saying that that's what you want to do because
00:10:08.600 if the this vote does not say that you know and mike real quick i mean this is a big dilemma now
00:10:15.920 not just for the smith in the province but carney in the country because in 2023 justin trudeau and
00:10:22.880 the liberals did a oh well shrug of the shoulders when quebec passed their new immigration laws
00:10:28.320 because they didn't want to upset quebec right carney eventually is going to have to tell them
00:10:33.440 like no i just looked at the numbers as paul just mentioned actually this is very small percentage
00:10:37.840 of the people in the province want this and we don't agree with this and we're not going to let
00:10:42.160 you do this well it's interesting sorry sorry just to that end you know a lot of people a lot
00:10:49.200 of the response from uh you know my conversations start like this with people what do you think
00:10:55.680 about what happened with this vote uh you can't call it an election right and so people get
00:11:02.640 confused about that right there and twice now i've heard this sentiment and i think it is a really
00:11:08.400 interesting one the premier needs us to tell her what to do she doesn't know what to do the premier
00:11:16.000 needs us to define what to do next well maybe it's time for a new premier oh hey i i'm sure there's
00:11:24.880 more than a few people paul thinking that yeah well you know uh she's talking about an historical
00:11:32.080 voter turnout well yeah this was a historical decision yeah so you you know did you get a few
00:11:38.320 more people than a normal vote yeah sure i get it a normal election i get it but still the numbers
00:11:44.720 the numbers don't in my mind prove out to be making these policy changes and quite frankly and
00:11:53.040 and the interesting part i thought which was yesterday i was struggling with is question eight
00:11:58.320 And, you know, I'm going to talk about it, which talks about the fact that they wanted the ability to opt out of educational social services programs.
00:12:10.420 So they wanted that ability as a province and people voted no.
00:12:15.500 So quite frankly, all this conversation about transfer payments and taking advantage of the social systems and the federal systems, they really voted no to.
00:12:24.800 So they voted no against the question that a lot of Albertans, when you're there and you talk to them, well, yeah, a lot of Albertans talk about, quite frankly.
00:12:33.560 But when it came down to it, and it came down to them potentially losing those social benefits and the educational benefits and the health benefits and opting out of them, Albertans told her, no, stop doing that.
00:12:47.580 So they don't want to have that conversation anymore.
00:12:49.140 So that conversation now about transfer payments and all that good stuff is off the table.
00:12:53.980 It's off the table.
00:12:54.800 so if if if you're going to make policy decisions on immigration based on this vote then that
00:12:59.920 decision is now off the table because quite frankly you lost that vote in this in this
00:13:05.760 vote so quite frankly all that stuff is off so that's what you've done so congratulations if
00:13:11.200 that's what you wanted to achieve and then what you achieved what's left for her to do is a laundry
00:13:15.600 list of very difficult things the one thing that we've heard albertans complain about
00:13:20.720 my entire life is the transfer payment what they're paying for this how it's how it's managed
00:13:27.460 now that that portion of the discussion is gone what actually remains is an awful lot of work
00:13:34.700 for the province and guess what mike paul just did a energy show about lng canada about this
00:13:41.580 huge expansion of pipelines of natural gas from alberta to bc and even more oil well they need
00:13:48.500 heavy equipment operators and welders and steel workers.
00:13:52.880 And so if there's not enough to be had in Alberta, Saskatchewan,
00:13:57.540 immigration, because they've got to get that built
00:13:59.620 once they get the green light as fast as possible 0.53
00:14:02.360 to get the money flowing.
00:14:03.800 Well, you know what, Jim, the immigration
00:14:06.240 that we have experienced over the last decade
00:14:09.520 into the West hasn't provided those kind of experienced positions,
00:14:14.360 It hasn't provided Albertans with the full, I guess, stock of expertise that we need in these areas.
00:14:24.660 And instead, it's given them something else that feels more like a burden.
00:14:29.240 It hasn't offsetting the workload in the ways that they would really like it.
00:14:34.640 So I think what maybe should have come across in this is we need to create a better defined method of getting the people into this province and into this country that will make a difference to those projects, that will make a difference to us vaulting ahead.
00:14:50.900 Paul, if you need PSWs and senior care workers and welders and heavy equipment operators, shouldn't that be the focus?
00:14:58.920 Well, it's interesting because the prime minister actually just announced through the minister, Diab, that they're actually doing that.
00:15:09.420 So prior to this vote, they are talking about skilled workers and they're going to add points to people who have specialized skills.
00:15:20.940 So they're already working on that.
00:15:22.760 So it's already in process as they're actually, this thing's going off and they're voting it.
00:15:28.020 So, you know, did they make it more difficult for them to get people to come to the province
00:15:33.020 now?
00:15:34.020 Sure.
00:15:35.020 If she's going to follow this policy, so if she's, I think it's great.
00:15:38.020 She's not going to talk about any more referendums.
00:15:40.020 Good.
00:15:41.020 Thank goodness.
00:15:42.020 That's positive.
00:15:43.020 Let's stop all that.
00:15:44.020 Because quite frankly, you didn't get enough people out to vote on this, that they showed
00:15:48.020 that you had any interest in it.
00:15:50.020 So, and that's the truth.
00:15:51.020 I know we don't want to talk about that, but there was no interest in this.
00:15:55.020 The second thing is if you want to do this immigration policy change, then I don't know what you're going to do about skilled labor and what are your costs going to go up to for labor to get your projects off.
00:16:06.220 But then that's another issue.
00:16:07.500 Then if you're going to ask the rest of Canada to pay those labor costs, that's a challenge, right?
00:16:13.300 So if you don't have a labor pool and your demand supply issue with respect to labor is off, then that's another issue.
00:16:20.060 So then that's something you have to then think about how as a province you're going to subsidize on your own.
00:16:25.020 So there's another issue. So those are all things that I think they're very short sighted on.
00:16:29.460 Yeah. And quite frankly, you know, I think someone someone needs to bring it up.
00:16:35.100 Yeah, I agree. I think that that's what was kind of left out of the discussion.
00:16:38.120 Sorry, guys. But but that I think what is what was left out of this discussion, certainly on the media, certainly, you know, in coverage of it thereafter.
00:16:49.260 You know, last night and I'll ask you guys what you think of this.
00:16:52.260 Last night, what I heard Danielle Smith say about her adoration of Kearney and the federal government making changes that needed to be made in Alberta, when I heard that, I thought, my first thought, and you know, I'm a simpleton, look at the comments they tell me all the time, but my first thought was, what do we do this for then?
00:17:14.700 If Carney's doing so good for your province now,
00:17:16.760 things are turning around so well.
00:17:18.340 If you are now officially a liberal or a supporter
00:17:22.140 with your government here in Alberta, fantastic.
00:17:26.880 Why did you put your people through this?
00:17:29.140 Why did you put the expense of doing this
00:17:31.480 when you're already seeing the government
00:17:33.520 make the changes you want to see?
00:17:35.760 And Mike, we did a TPL local show not that long ago
00:17:38.940 about the communities in Alberta.
00:17:41.280 And here's a lot of things.
00:17:42.480 I have a daughter who lives at Edmonton that they're concerned about.
00:17:45.940 Infrastructure, roads, transit, bridges, you know, hospitals.
00:17:51.380 They're desperate for an extra hospital in Edmonton.
00:17:54.080 And it was brought up with the amount of injuries and burn victims from Wainwright
00:17:58.240 how good it would have been to have an extra hospital.
00:18:00.560 That's what's really important to people in Alberta right now.
00:18:04.380 Yeah, it's so true.
00:18:05.860 You know, Jim, you talk about the basics in life.
00:18:08.860 And it is really, you know, when we ask people here, they'll give you a little laugh, right?
00:18:14.960 Like, really, I don't know why we're talking about that.
00:18:17.940 We just found out that we need, you know, $18 billion worth of upgrades in two major cities, and we don't know where to begin.
00:18:25.180 So if you don't mind, we do have other issues here.
00:18:28.900 I do think that this was a really good thing for Alberta because it put the spotlight on this is a star, a crown, a jewel in our crown as a nation.
00:18:40.960 We need to treat it better. We need to create resource opportunities.
00:18:46.600 We need to exercise. But as we often talk about, and I'm sure Paul will jump on this right away, we've kind of missed the boat over the last decade.
00:18:55.140 We've kind of missed the boat on LNG, getting a pipeline down there, getting our exports going.
00:18:59.960 So what's left for Alberta is the scraps anyway.
00:19:02.760 And maybe I'm wrong.
00:19:03.540 What do you think?
00:19:04.740 No, no, I think, listen, they definitely missed the opportunity.
00:19:07.360 We've talked about that on multiple shows.
00:19:09.480 And what the future brings, you know, we only, you know, no one knows.
00:19:14.060 Because quite frankly, with oil reserves being actually the U.S. looking to other sources at this point,
00:19:21.560 And whether, you know, LNG, I know they're scrambling now.
00:19:25.720 They're 10 years behind.
00:19:27.220 So, you know, in B.C.
00:19:28.860 So the West Coast has their challenges on the energy front.
00:19:31.880 We've created our own challenges.
00:19:33.200 That's, you know, we've shot ourselves in the foot on this.
00:19:37.840 And quite frankly, you know, they're going to say,
00:19:40.540 and she did say in her speech that Trudeau and the previous administration,
00:19:45.080 you know, were against Alberta.
00:19:46.980 And quite frankly, she's not wrong.
00:19:48.960 So that is correct.
00:19:49.940 that that feeling that but it is what it is and quite frankly moving on uh it's not gonna it's
00:19:57.140 not gonna make a difference having no one show up to vote in referendums uh to get your point
00:20:02.260 across yes but paul i'm going to reference something mike said what people on the ground
00:20:06.100 are saying doesn't she know how to do her job she referenced in her speech last night hey we're like
00:20:11.460 hopefully a year from now we have shovels in the ground uh for this pipeline great so in the next
00:20:16.500 12 months the people of alberta want a province that works for them so what what is now it's like
00:20:22.500 okay this is over you got to get to work yeah but she's got the spotlight on her now and people are
00:20:27.300 expect results well i'm with you jim you know and what about the number of people on the street
00:20:32.660 saying they don't like the questions the day of the uh vote i don't you know this is the first
00:20:37.060 time i really looked at the questions i don't really like them i don't really understand them
00:20:40.580 uh you know why why are they asked why are we doing a survey that seems so important
00:20:44.580 i keep saying survey because don't forget guys there is no outcome to this yeah it's all mike
00:20:50.260 and paul this is basic needs can i put diesel in my heavy duty pickup because i have to go
00:20:56.740 and run my farm or i'm going to do like heavy industrial work can what about my investment
00:21:02.340 what about the education what about my my mother in a senior home is there proper like the basic
00:21:07.780 needs are still so important everyday people they don't have time to read the minutia of some of
00:21:13.540 these questions and i think that's what to mike's and that's where they're like i really don't get
00:21:17.220 these questions i didn't have time to look at this hey before we go any further please hit the
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00:21:33.320 want to miss what happens behind the paywall all right back to the show you know you brought up
00:21:37.700 and i'm going to kind of pivot a little and i'm going to go to quebec for a minute you brought
00:21:41.940 Quebec in a minute Jim and it's interesting because yesterday no one
00:21:46.120 talked about it but Plamondon actually got sworn in and he asked the lieutenant
00:21:53.600 governor to be physically in another room and not be in the room and watch TV
00:21:59.440 and sign it without without the lieutenant governor there in the room
00:22:03.840 yeah right yeah and again we're going down these paths well you know it's
00:22:09.900 funny our focus is being drawn to things that quite frankly it shouldn't be now our focus should be
00:22:15.100 getting on with trade interprovincial uh trade barriers getting on uh working within the country
00:22:23.100 and with new trading partners absolutely but now we're spending time on these things which quite
00:22:27.100 frankly is just drawing attention to the wrong and i think we have to tell our leaders to stop
00:22:32.460 well if it wasn't if it wasn't for the referendum to me that would be bigger news they basically
00:22:38.380 told the lieutenant governor the king's representative to take a hike and go watch a
00:22:42.940 reality show i mean the real housewives of utah are pretty good but enough yeah city watch it was
00:22:49.260 embarrassing from another room yeah yeah and i'm like okay well that's fine but is that the right
00:22:54.060 way to start off and quite frankly is that productive in any shape or form at least maybe
00:22:58.700 you get a couple you know claps from your your caucus or whatever but quite frankly the rest of
00:23:04.300 the population i'm sure when you go to quebec there'll be some people that'll applaud but most
00:23:09.340 people quite frankly given what i've seen with my multiple trips this year are worried about trade
00:23:15.580 to the united states right now and their business and i'm in quebec i'm worried about my job i'm
00:23:19.980 moving a trade to the u.s because they do a ton of trade to the united states so they're sitting
00:23:25.260 there you know wondering what's going to happen and we're having this conversation so you know
00:23:30.460 what we got through this in alberta and i think we've all kind of looked at the numbers and it
00:23:36.300 it's time to move on and and and as you mentioned jim get on building pipelines getting with
00:23:42.060 processes um it's a crapshoot whether or not they're going to be successful anyways to mike's
00:23:48.060 point earlier these are not like you know lay downs they're not projects that quite frankly in
00:23:53.740 10 years it's going to take a decade to build some of them and quite frankly it's not stuff
00:23:58.380 that we know for sure there's going to be a market we don't know what the market will be
00:24:03.100 we know we have a trading partner to the south right now who's trying to replace the oil reserves
00:24:07.900 that we provide so we know a bunch of those things now whether they changed hopefully they will but
00:24:13.020 quite frankly these are not givens in this environment and like if you're in alberta right
00:24:17.340 now you're like oh we just got a report inflation gone up again they're said that the prime lending
00:24:23.260 rate's going to go up next week, and we're staring at winter. I've got other things to worry about.
00:24:28.960 No, that's 100% true. You know, guys, I wonder if, to the world, Canada looks a little bit like
00:24:34.300 the UK now. So much infighting, we can't move ahead. Every province seems to have an issue.
00:24:40.100 We've got one premier that won't acknowledge our sovereign representative. We've got another
00:24:46.300 province that's answering questions about a referendum that really didn't amount to too much
00:24:53.660 except a pretty bland speech from the premier we do look like we infight a lot the premiers fight
00:25:00.880 with each other the premiers fight with the federal government and now that is the system
00:25:04.400 but what we don't see is a lot of what you see in Norway what you see in in Sweden where
00:25:11.640 the government at all levels is aligned at least for the period of time that they are governing
00:25:17.980 and what we spend most of our time doing once we elect a politician is justifying them being there
00:25:24.020 them justifying them being there and very little seems to get done beyond argument yeah i mean i
00:25:30.600 i mean at least in the uk i can buy a scottish beer if i'm in manchester england i can't do that
00:25:36.340 in my own country in canada i can't you know like it's we still have these barriers they keep talking
00:25:41.240 about getting rid of them and nothing's done but but but yet we have premier meeting after
00:25:46.040 premium meeting where the prime minister arrives and we have these photo ops but okay let's let's
00:25:52.760 stop this for now right let's if we're gonna have these meetings let's figure out some stuff get
00:25:57.240 some stuff done and get moving on uh because it feels like fiefdoms to mike's point and it's a
00:26:01.960 great point that like no no uh what's good for manitoba i don't care if it hurts anybody else
00:26:07.080 we're going to do that what's good for quebec it's very insular to the within the borders of
00:26:11.960 the province and i understand thinking what's best for your province but i thought we were at
00:26:15.960 a point now we have to think what's best for everyone in the entire country i would agree with
00:26:20.520 that i agree did we all just agree yes my heart i just i was waiting for lightning to hit me
00:26:29.240 the light went down wow that was fantastic you know guys i think we've really made headway
00:26:34.040 this is what i explain to people tpl does yeah i know you guys have slightly differing opinions
00:26:39.480 it makes me laugh harder than anything else at work but also we sit down and we do this every
00:26:45.560 time there's nobody yelling at each other nothing gets thrown and in the end it's we're not far
00:26:52.200 apart when we think about our positions and that's why we ask people subscribe to tplmedia.ca because
00:26:58.360 Because, Paul, at the end of the day, the whole reason for this is to engage discussion with people of all sides of the spectrum in Canada, because there's no way to get better unless we do that.
00:27:10.020 Yeah, no, I agree.
00:27:10.880 And this brought out, listen, I guess the good part of all this, it brought to light a lot of things that we probably don't need to talk about now.
00:27:20.320 So, you know, in a weird way, these are the kind of don't need to talk about things.
00:27:24.120 So in Alberta, we now figured out what we don't need to talk about.
00:27:27.540 and let's show that yeah let's tell that what a great list when she starts off and saying we're
00:27:32.020 not going to talk about this anymore okay we we kind of we kind of knew you shouldn't be talking
00:27:36.900 about it anyway so by the way so now you've kind of confirmed to us that you shouldn't be talking
00:27:41.220 about it i don't know if that's a good thing but you did so thank you and quite frankly i really
00:27:45.060 want to start the no talk list guys yeah and i love it and and and to her you know and to the
00:27:51.860 the you know the uh the party quite frankly try to get your engagement up yeah spend some time
00:27:59.540 and try to get the 37 of the people who eligible voters who don't show up to try to show up next
00:28:05.780 time because you know and you see this throughout jim i know we brought it up and i truly believe
00:28:12.100 that that lack of engagement is because you've lost the people so you got to start to try to
00:28:17.060 find the people again well i mean okay what kind of turnout are we expecting for the bc provincial
00:28:22.980 election oh talk about disengaged oh it could be it's brutal right well people are pissed that
00:28:28.340 we're even they're even having it they're well they might turn up because they're annoyed yeah
00:28:32.740 change election so yeah quite frankly i guess if you i guess what we're showing what we might see
00:28:37.860 which would be very interesting we'll actually have the numbers we actually might see that you
00:28:42.020 You have to make people that angry to get them out.
00:28:44.820 So you have to piss them off that much to get them to actually come out and vote, which is honestly, isn't that the saddest thing?
00:28:53.460 Annoy your, annoy your public so much that they actually take the time to vote for, to vote against you.
00:29:00.160 Yeah.
00:29:00.280 Well, even protest vote is a sad way to run a democracy.
00:29:04.500 Yeah.
00:29:04.940 I mean, even right now, like you would think very NDP friendly media without declaring it, Mike, you should.
00:29:13.060 I mean, I'm listening to some of these press conferences with the EB and we joke he looks like a hostage blinking once for yes, twice for no.
00:29:21.620 He's just getting grilled.
00:29:23.660 Jim, they ask him very difficult questions.
00:29:26.140 You have to understand.
00:29:28.220 Yeah.
00:29:28.840 Praying for election day.
00:29:30.200 He's praying for election day now.
00:29:32.860 Regardless of how bad it's going to be,
00:29:34.840 he's like, just get it over with.
00:29:37.240 Get me out of this.
00:29:38.160 I can do something else for a living.
00:29:39.720 Hey, where are you off to next, Mike?
00:29:41.620 Yeah, listen, I'm getting on the joy train.
00:29:44.920 Enough of this referendum stuff.
00:29:46.960 Good.
00:29:47.640 Last night, I had a wonderful evening in Medicine Hat
00:29:50.180 and had an interview with Bobby Dove,
00:29:54.100 a country music artist originally from Montreal,
00:29:58.440 living in Manitoba and touring the West right now.
00:30:00.960 Cool.
00:30:01.020 And we did this at the theater at the Medicine Hat Public Library.
00:30:05.540 And the reason we're doing this is we need a little joy, guys.
00:30:09.420 We need a little art, a little culture.
00:30:11.120 And so today we're off to Regina.
00:30:13.960 And in Regina, we're going to visit art galleries and speak to some artists there about the wonderful art that we have here in Canada.
00:30:24.940 I have a sister-in-law who lives there, and they have some great indigenous art at that art gallery, like some really top-notch stuff.
00:30:31.520 Well, you know what I'm doing?
00:30:32.420 I've picked up one of my old buddies that I grew up with.
00:30:35.860 He's a retired high school teacher from the world of art, and he's an artist.
00:30:41.060 And so I'm going to learn a little bit today about art here in Canada from the experts.
00:30:47.680 Joe Culture here with Shackett.
00:30:49.320 Wow.
00:30:50.000 I don't want to brag, but why do you think I got dressed up like this, guys?
00:30:54.940 Thanks, gentlemen.
00:30:56.140 Thanks, Mike.
00:30:56.740 Thanks, Mike.