00:06:46.740But even to that end, Jim, if the people are voting, why are we not able to tabulate?
00:06:54.960It's just astonishing to me in this day and age that tabulation, because a speech was written, a reaction was given, the night of the vote survey, there was a huge party.
00:07:10.040now 24 hours later the numbers are starting to change and the attention and spotlight has already
00:07:16.360started to move away from this entire thing so mike you're there um here's what i don't understand
00:07:23.320i just voted in my municipal election where i live in southern ontario online in under five minutes
00:07:31.100i think the whole thing took like three or four minutes was this not an option for this referendum
00:07:36.440have been alberta someone could have done it online uh it was a uh good question jim i don't
00:07:42.020know how that was handled for certain sectors however the actual lineup vote scenario was so
00:07:47.920impacted by the length of the vote the complexity of the experience that the lineups even at 10
00:07:55.500o'clock at night the lineups were just starting to end and people the final votes were coming in
00:08:01.240I don't know how we had such positive coverage.
00:08:06.220And by the way, I don't want to come off like a negative Nancy about this whole thing, because that's not my purpose.
00:08:11.620I certainly am delighted that the general response from Albertans and Canadians is thumbs up.
00:08:18.100But the process was obviously really over encumbered by the size of the survey, the number of people that showed up.
00:08:25.600and you know paul to your end i wonder if people just walked away from the lineups well yeah it's
00:08:33.680a great point paul like wouldn't you i eventually like hey i gotta get up for six and take my kids
00:08:38.120to school and go to work i'm out of here but they had advanced polling over a number of days
00:08:42.400yeah i think it was four days of advanced point they had lots of time to get out and vote they
00:08:47.180just weren't interested in voting in my it's that's my belief and you know the sad part about
00:08:52.480this is in her speech last night she talks about the fact that she's now
00:08:56.920going to work towards immigration new immigration policies yes so just to give
00:09:02.260you some numbers and this is again not gonna bore you with them all but the no
00:09:07.300show numbers the eligible people to vote who didn't show up on and vote on
00:09:12.760questions one to five range from 39 percent to 51 percent the people who
00:09:19.720voted yes that they wanted changes in immigration policy ranged from 27% to 33%. So the number of
00:09:31.720people who didn't show up were greater than the number of people who voted yes to change
00:09:35.600immigration. And that doesn't even count for the number of people who voted no. So that's how
00:09:41.060crazy these decisions are. These decisions are not logical decisions that you make policy changes
00:09:49.040on and that's because you don't have enough representation of people voting to make those
00:09:54.100changes and quite frankly that's where this falls apart and so when she said that last night i'm
00:09:59.580like why don't you just say that that's what you want to do that's what your party wants to do
00:10:04.760because that's what you're saying that you're saying that that's what you want to do because
00:10:08.600if the this vote does not say that you know and mike real quick i mean this is a big dilemma now
00:10:15.920not just for the smith in the province but carney in the country because in 2023 justin trudeau and
00:10:22.880the liberals did a oh well shrug of the shoulders when quebec passed their new immigration laws
00:10:28.320because they didn't want to upset quebec right carney eventually is going to have to tell them
00:10:33.440like no i just looked at the numbers as paul just mentioned actually this is very small percentage
00:10:37.840of the people in the province want this and we don't agree with this and we're not going to let
00:10:42.160you do this well it's interesting sorry sorry just to that end you know a lot of people a lot
00:10:49.200of the response from uh you know my conversations start like this with people what do you think
00:10:55.680about what happened with this vote uh you can't call it an election right and so people get
00:11:02.640confused about that right there and twice now i've heard this sentiment and i think it is a really
00:11:08.400interesting one the premier needs us to tell her what to do she doesn't know what to do the premier
00:11:16.000needs us to define what to do next well maybe it's time for a new premier oh hey i i'm sure there's
00:11:24.880more than a few people paul thinking that yeah well you know uh she's talking about an historical
00:11:32.080voter turnout well yeah this was a historical decision yeah so you you know did you get a few
00:11:38.320more people than a normal vote yeah sure i get it a normal election i get it but still the numbers
00:11:44.720the numbers don't in my mind prove out to be making these policy changes and quite frankly and
00:11:53.040and the interesting part i thought which was yesterday i was struggling with is question eight
00:11:58.320And, you know, I'm going to talk about it, which talks about the fact that they wanted the ability to opt out of educational social services programs.
00:12:10.420So they wanted that ability as a province and people voted no.
00:12:15.500So quite frankly, all this conversation about transfer payments and taking advantage of the social systems and the federal systems, they really voted no to.
00:12:24.800So they voted no against the question that a lot of Albertans, when you're there and you talk to them, well, yeah, a lot of Albertans talk about, quite frankly.
00:12:33.560But when it came down to it, and it came down to them potentially losing those social benefits and the educational benefits and the health benefits and opting out of them, Albertans told her, no, stop doing that.
00:12:47.580So they don't want to have that conversation anymore.
00:12:49.140So that conversation now about transfer payments and all that good stuff is off the table.
00:14:03.800Well, you know what, Jim, the immigration
00:14:06.240that we have experienced over the last decade
00:14:09.520into the West hasn't provided those kind of experienced positions,
00:14:14.360It hasn't provided Albertans with the full, I guess, stock of expertise that we need in these areas.
00:14:24.660And instead, it's given them something else that feels more like a burden.
00:14:29.240It hasn't offsetting the workload in the ways that they would really like it.
00:14:34.640So I think what maybe should have come across in this is we need to create a better defined method of getting the people into this province and into this country that will make a difference to those projects, that will make a difference to us vaulting ahead.
00:14:50.900Paul, if you need PSWs and senior care workers and welders and heavy equipment operators, shouldn't that be the focus?
00:14:58.920Well, it's interesting because the prime minister actually just announced through the minister, Diab, that they're actually doing that.
00:15:09.420So prior to this vote, they are talking about skilled workers and they're going to add points to people who have specialized skills.
00:15:51.020I know we don't want to talk about that, but there was no interest in this.
00:15:55.020The second thing is if you want to do this immigration policy change, then I don't know what you're going to do about skilled labor and what are your costs going to go up to for labor to get your projects off.
00:16:07.500Then if you're going to ask the rest of Canada to pay those labor costs, that's a challenge, right?
00:16:13.300So if you don't have a labor pool and your demand supply issue with respect to labor is off, then that's another issue.
00:16:20.060So then that's something you have to then think about how as a province you're going to subsidize on your own.
00:16:25.020So there's another issue. So those are all things that I think they're very short sighted on.
00:16:29.460Yeah. And quite frankly, you know, I think someone someone needs to bring it up.
00:16:35.100Yeah, I agree. I think that that's what was kind of left out of the discussion.
00:16:38.120Sorry, guys. But but that I think what is what was left out of this discussion, certainly on the media, certainly, you know, in coverage of it thereafter.
00:16:49.260You know, last night and I'll ask you guys what you think of this.
00:16:52.260Last night, what I heard Danielle Smith say about her adoration of Kearney and the federal government making changes that needed to be made in Alberta, when I heard that, I thought, my first thought, and you know, I'm a simpleton, look at the comments they tell me all the time, but my first thought was, what do we do this for then?
00:17:14.700If Carney's doing so good for your province now,
00:18:05.860You know, Jim, you talk about the basics in life.
00:18:08.860And it is really, you know, when we ask people here, they'll give you a little laugh, right?
00:18:14.960Like, really, I don't know why we're talking about that.
00:18:17.940We just found out that we need, you know, $18 billion worth of upgrades in two major cities, and we don't know where to begin.
00:18:25.180So if you don't mind, we do have other issues here.
00:18:28.900I do think that this was a really good thing for Alberta because it put the spotlight on this is a star, a crown, a jewel in our crown as a nation.
00:18:40.960We need to treat it better. We need to create resource opportunities.
00:18:46.600We need to exercise. But as we often talk about, and I'm sure Paul will jump on this right away, we've kind of missed the boat over the last decade.
00:18:55.140We've kind of missed the boat on LNG, getting a pipeline down there, getting our exports going.
00:18:59.960So what's left for Alberta is the scraps anyway.
00:19:49.940that that feeling that but it is what it is and quite frankly moving on uh it's not gonna it's
00:19:57.140not gonna make a difference having no one show up to vote in referendums uh to get your point
00:20:02.260across yes but paul i'm going to reference something mike said what people on the ground
00:20:06.100are saying doesn't she know how to do her job she referenced in her speech last night hey we're like
00:20:11.460hopefully a year from now we have shovels in the ground uh for this pipeline great so in the next
00:20:16.50012 months the people of alberta want a province that works for them so what what is now it's like
00:20:22.500okay this is over you got to get to work yeah but she's got the spotlight on her now and people are
00:20:27.300expect results well i'm with you jim you know and what about the number of people on the street
00:20:32.660saying they don't like the questions the day of the uh vote i don't you know this is the first
00:20:37.060time i really looked at the questions i don't really like them i don't really understand them
00:20:40.580uh you know why why are they asked why are we doing a survey that seems so important
00:20:44.580i keep saying survey because don't forget guys there is no outcome to this yeah it's all mike
00:20:50.260and paul this is basic needs can i put diesel in my heavy duty pickup because i have to go
00:20:56.740and run my farm or i'm going to do like heavy industrial work can what about my investment
00:21:02.340what about the education what about my my mother in a senior home is there proper like the basic
00:21:07.780needs are still so important everyday people they don't have time to read the minutia of some of
00:21:13.540these questions and i think that's what to mike's and that's where they're like i really don't get
00:21:17.220these questions i didn't have time to look at this hey before we go any further please hit the
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00:21:33.320want to miss what happens behind the paywall all right back to the show you know you brought up
00:21:37.700and i'm going to kind of pivot a little and i'm going to go to quebec for a minute you brought
00:21:41.940Quebec in a minute Jim and it's interesting because yesterday no one
00:21:46.120talked about it but Plamondon actually got sworn in and he asked the lieutenant
00:21:53.600governor to be physically in another room and not be in the room and watch TV
00:21:59.440and sign it without without the lieutenant governor there in the room
00:22:03.840yeah right yeah and again we're going down these paths well you know it's
00:22:09.900funny our focus is being drawn to things that quite frankly it shouldn't be now our focus should be
00:22:15.100getting on with trade interprovincial uh trade barriers getting on uh working within the country
00:22:23.100and with new trading partners absolutely but now we're spending time on these things which quite
00:22:27.100frankly is just drawing attention to the wrong and i think we have to tell our leaders to stop
00:22:32.460well if it wasn't if it wasn't for the referendum to me that would be bigger news they basically
00:22:38.380told the lieutenant governor the king's representative to take a hike and go watch a
00:22:42.940reality show i mean the real housewives of utah are pretty good but enough yeah city watch it was
00:22:49.260embarrassing from another room yeah yeah and i'm like okay well that's fine but is that the right
00:22:54.060way to start off and quite frankly is that productive in any shape or form at least maybe
00:22:58.700you get a couple you know claps from your your caucus or whatever but quite frankly the rest of
00:23:04.300the population i'm sure when you go to quebec there'll be some people that'll applaud but most
00:23:09.340people quite frankly given what i've seen with my multiple trips this year are worried about trade
00:23:15.580to the united states right now and their business and i'm in quebec i'm worried about my job i'm
00:23:19.980moving a trade to the u.s because they do a ton of trade to the united states so they're sitting
00:23:25.260there you know wondering what's going to happen and we're having this conversation so you know
00:23:30.460what we got through this in alberta and i think we've all kind of looked at the numbers and it
00:23:36.300it's time to move on and and and as you mentioned jim get on building pipelines getting with
00:23:42.060processes um it's a crapshoot whether or not they're going to be successful anyways to mike's
00:23:48.060point earlier these are not like you know lay downs they're not projects that quite frankly in
00:23:53.74010 years it's going to take a decade to build some of them and quite frankly it's not stuff
00:23:58.380that we know for sure there's going to be a market we don't know what the market will be
00:24:03.100we know we have a trading partner to the south right now who's trying to replace the oil reserves
00:24:07.900that we provide so we know a bunch of those things now whether they changed hopefully they will but
00:24:13.020quite frankly these are not givens in this environment and like if you're in alberta right
00:24:17.340now you're like oh we just got a report inflation gone up again they're said that the prime lending
00:24:23.260rate's going to go up next week, and we're staring at winter. I've got other things to worry about.
00:24:28.960No, that's 100% true. You know, guys, I wonder if, to the world, Canada looks a little bit like
00:24:34.300the UK now. So much infighting, we can't move ahead. Every province seems to have an issue.
00:24:40.100We've got one premier that won't acknowledge our sovereign representative. We've got another
00:24:46.300province that's answering questions about a referendum that really didn't amount to too much
00:24:53.660except a pretty bland speech from the premier we do look like we infight a lot the premiers fight
00:25:00.880with each other the premiers fight with the federal government and now that is the system
00:25:04.400but what we don't see is a lot of what you see in Norway what you see in in Sweden where
00:25:11.640the government at all levels is aligned at least for the period of time that they are governing
00:25:17.980and what we spend most of our time doing once we elect a politician is justifying them being there
00:25:24.020them justifying them being there and very little seems to get done beyond argument yeah i mean i
00:25:30.600i mean at least in the uk i can buy a scottish beer if i'm in manchester england i can't do that
00:25:36.340in my own country in canada i can't you know like it's we still have these barriers they keep talking
00:25:41.240about getting rid of them and nothing's done but but but yet we have premier meeting after
00:25:46.040premium meeting where the prime minister arrives and we have these photo ops but okay let's let's
00:25:52.760stop this for now right let's if we're gonna have these meetings let's figure out some stuff get
00:25:57.240some stuff done and get moving on uh because it feels like fiefdoms to mike's point and it's a
00:26:01.960great point that like no no uh what's good for manitoba i don't care if it hurts anybody else
00:26:07.080we're going to do that what's good for quebec it's very insular to the within the borders of
00:26:11.960the province and i understand thinking what's best for your province but i thought we were at
00:26:15.960a point now we have to think what's best for everyone in the entire country i would agree with
00:26:20.520that i agree did we all just agree yes my heart i just i was waiting for lightning to hit me
00:26:29.240the light went down wow that was fantastic you know guys i think we've really made headway
00:26:34.040this is what i explain to people tpl does yeah i know you guys have slightly differing opinions
00:26:39.480it makes me laugh harder than anything else at work but also we sit down and we do this every
00:26:45.560time there's nobody yelling at each other nothing gets thrown and in the end it's we're not far
00:26:52.200apart when we think about our positions and that's why we ask people subscribe to tplmedia.ca because
00:26:58.360Because, Paul, at the end of the day, the whole reason for this is to engage discussion with people of all sides of the spectrum in Canada, because there's no way to get better unless we do that.
00:27:10.880And this brought out, listen, I guess the good part of all this, it brought to light a lot of things that we probably don't need to talk about now.
00:27:20.320So, you know, in a weird way, these are the kind of don't need to talk about things.
00:27:24.120So in Alberta, we now figured out what we don't need to talk about.
00:27:27.540and let's show that yeah let's tell that what a great list when she starts off and saying we're
00:27:32.020not going to talk about this anymore okay we we kind of we kind of knew you shouldn't be talking
00:27:36.900about it anyway so by the way so now you've kind of confirmed to us that you shouldn't be talking
00:27:41.220about it i don't know if that's a good thing but you did so thank you and quite frankly i really
00:27:45.060want to start the no talk list guys yeah and i love it and and and to her you know and to the
00:27:51.860the you know the uh the party quite frankly try to get your engagement up yeah spend some time
00:27:59.540and try to get the 37 of the people who eligible voters who don't show up to try to show up next
00:28:05.780time because you know and you see this throughout jim i know we brought it up and i truly believe
00:28:12.100that that lack of engagement is because you've lost the people so you got to start to try to
00:28:17.060find the people again well i mean okay what kind of turnout are we expecting for the bc provincial
00:28:22.980election oh talk about disengaged oh it could be it's brutal right well people are pissed that
00:28:28.340we're even they're even having it they're well they might turn up because they're annoyed yeah
00:28:32.740change election so yeah quite frankly i guess if you i guess what we're showing what we might see
00:28:37.860which would be very interesting we'll actually have the numbers we actually might see that you
00:28:42.020You have to make people that angry to get them out.
00:28:44.820So you have to piss them off that much to get them to actually come out and vote, which is honestly, isn't that the saddest thing?
00:28:53.460Annoy your, annoy your public so much that they actually take the time to vote for, to vote against you.
00:29:04.940I mean, even right now, like you would think very NDP friendly media without declaring it, Mike, you should.
00:29:13.060I mean, I'm listening to some of these press conferences with the EB and we joke he looks like a hostage blinking once for yes, twice for no.