True Patriot Love - All Jokes Aside： The Voice of the Vibe & The Architect Behind the Scenes

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00:00:15.420 True Patriot Love. I'm your boy, Mr. J. Martin.

00:00:23.520 What's up, y'all? It's yours truly, Mr. J. Martin, the Renaissance Man.

00:00:27.880 And this episode, ladies and gentlemen, I'm ready to bring on two of my dear friends.

00:00:32.440 And this is what we call All Jokes Aside.

00:00:34.180 I will be bringing you All Jokes Aside on The True Patriot Love.

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00:00:42.820 So my guest today, two of my favorite friends and entertainment in the building,

00:00:47.940 I'm bringing you entertainment with a flair.

00:00:51.240 First, I'd like to introduce to you none other than Mr. Ian Andre Espinay,

00:00:54.960 event coordinator, clothes designer,

00:00:58.300 media designer in regards to flyer

00:01:01.960 and bringing up your event to look good.

00:01:03.960 What else do you do?

00:01:04.960 Like, you are a renowned, a renowned entrepreneur.

00:01:10.960 I'm just here, man. I'm just trying to keep up with you, my brother.

00:01:12.960 You're trying to be the humble one?

00:01:13.960 He and Andre Espine, many things.

00:01:15.960 We're going to talk about some of the things that he does

00:01:17.960 and how he got here and when he decided to do this.

00:01:19.960 And we're going to make it all funny, all jokes aside.

00:01:21.960 jokes aside none other than my brother from another mother mr kid cut the voice of the vibe 0.97

00:01:27.400 kevin keith is an entrepreneur as well uh many know that he started his career with one of the

00:01:33.560 most famous groups known as baby blue sound crew that was tearing up the waves they went into music

00:01:39.320 production uh he's done some entrepreneurship in the hair and design salon fashions uh i'm

00:01:46.520 respectable because this man bought his first house at 19 years old i don't give you all the

00:01:51.400 deuce but tell them hi and let them a little bit about yourself oh tell them about myself you just

00:01:56.680 told them everything they need to know i told them a bit i gave them a little overview but

00:02:00.440 go ahead um kick cut the voice of the vibe yeah um my whole thing is um entertainment arts that's

00:02:09.320 And that's where I actually flourish, I always say that.

00:02:13.320 And my whole thing is nothing tried is nothing done.

00:02:18.320 So just triating.

00:02:20.320 Triating.

00:02:21.320 I'm going to jump right into it, man.

00:02:23.320 You know, both of you put on events,

00:02:25.320 but Ian is more known as the event coordinator,

00:02:28.320 the promoter that puts on the events,

00:02:30.320 and KidCut is the one that brings that energy to the event.

00:02:32.320 So I'm going to ask you both.

00:02:34.320 I'm going to ask Kid first,

00:02:35.320 What separates a good host from a great host, a great DJ, a good DJ from a great DJ, your perspective?

00:02:43.700 My perspective on that would be, hmm, I would think being knowledgeable of your surroundings.

00:02:52.620 So basically, if you understand where you're at, you can cater to the people to make them have a good time, whether you're a DJ or a host.

00:03:01.720 Like, you can't run into, like, say, you know, you're at a wedding and you're trying to treat it like a house party.

00:03:10.900 It's not going to work.

00:03:13.320 What makes them a great DJ and a great host, when I know you hire them, Ian, what makes the difference in your event?

00:03:20.580 Like, what's the difference between they're good, but greatness?

00:03:25.720 They're attention to detail.

00:03:27.440 So we're cultural curators, right?

00:03:29.660 Right.

00:03:29.880 So those who practice versus those who don't, those who study music and do their crates versus those who don't, those who like study the crowd and they're not Mijes, they look down and see what the crowd is saying versus those who don't. 0.90

00:03:44.180 That's the difference between good and great.

00:03:46.280 It's like, do you have love for your craft or are you just doing this for the money?

00:03:50.720 It's true.

00:03:51.420 It's true.

00:03:51.820 So what really holds the power of the event?

00:03:54.560 I'm going to ask you.

00:03:55.580 Is it the talent, the promoter, or the audience?

00:03:59.880 I'm going to ask you first, kid, because you get hired by them.

00:04:03.140 So is it the talent, the promoter, or the audience, which holds the power to make the event successful?

00:04:09.440 Ultimately, I believe it would be the audience, because if the audience is not there to support the promoter,

00:04:15.620 then the promoter cannot pay the talent.

00:04:18.640 True.

00:04:19.880 I've got to look at it.

00:04:22.780 Yeah, that's my answer.

00:04:24.000 I'm going to go with that.

00:04:24.780 Your opinion, Ian, and whether that's in the same topic, same question?

00:04:27.700 In my opinion, it's a group effort.

00:04:29.300 Right.

00:04:29.880 The promoter comes up with the concepts, picks the DJs and MCs and talent that like fit the concept and then like crafts it to the audience that they're trying to to attract.

00:04:42.700 And so, you know, people, birds of a feather kind of flock together.

00:04:45.440 So people who, you know, like there are lifestyle promoters, there are music promoters, there are, you know what I mean?

00:04:50.560 So like I would say that all three of those elements have to be in place as well as the venue and like where we're presenting the things to make a successful event.

00:04:58.260 Okay, so now we're making the event.

00:05:00.600 We've got the top DJ, we've got the top MC.

00:05:03.100 We have a lineup that we believe is going to make forth the event to be something special.

00:05:08.500 Now I'm going to ask you again, is it the consistency of doing it again that's more important

00:05:14.560 or the relationships that you develop between the people while you're building that consistency?

00:05:20.240 So keeping it at the same level or the relationships with your patrons?

00:05:25.200 Because going through this, your patrons get older, they get younger, they don't like this, they like that.

00:05:31.660 So when do you want to stick to the point of consistency or the importance of the relationships of your fan base that brought you to where you are?

00:05:41.100 Wow, I know it's tough questions.

00:05:42.580 No, I mean, every promoter has to make a decision.

00:05:46.520 Yes.

00:05:46.800 Ultimately, when they decide like their audience is getting older, I think is what you're getting

00:05:50.960 at, whether they're going to stay up with the audience or try to attract younger audiences.

00:05:56.960 And I mean, that is a personal decision. Many of us in our generation have decided to go up with

00:06:01.920 our audiences. But in terms of relationships and consistency, it's both. It's not an and or.

00:06:06.880 So it's like and we didn't talk about branding, but like you create brands that attract a certain

00:06:11.440 type of people. And those people know that when they go with the name that they can trust,

00:06:15.920 that they'll be safe and that the the you know like i don't even need to put kid on a flyer

00:06:20.720 because they know that that's the level of talent i do put him on the flyer but but you know what

00:06:24.800 i mean like that's the level of talent that they're coming with so there's a trust that's

00:06:28.720 built like with your with yourself with your audience and with that being said kev you get

00:06:33.760 booked in so many different places so you get to see the different levels right so you can predict

00:06:39.840 a little bit better from what's coming he's going to see an average of different all ages and do you

00:06:45.360 believe the relationships with the promoters are more important or is it the consistency of that

00:06:51.120 that party or that vibe staying the same way for myself as an mc being in correct in those

00:06:58.320 environments uh i would say for myself uh i would say i only work with a few promoters a handful of

00:07:07.600 them because i know what they're doing how they're going to do it and where i fit into those

00:07:13.920 situations i'm not like you know out there trying to find random people who are just

00:07:20.720 starting and stuff like that you know once in a while i come across certain you know corporate

00:07:25.600 stuff and i'm always working in the corporate stuff and weddings and all that other stuff so

00:07:30.480 those things are more like new additions um man it's a hard question i know i i don't really have

00:07:40.160 a defined answer to give you in regards to that and i understand because i could you know do a

00:07:46.880 little bit of this a little bit of that yeah it was more related to ian in regards to having all

00:07:51.760 the events that you do uh speaking of which some of our viewers don't know all the events that you

00:07:56.080 put together collaborated over the years give us a little hint of some of the stuff you've worked

00:07:59.920 on which will lead to my next question i mean countless brands over 25 years um probably the

00:08:06.080 The most notable in Toronto would be Amnesia, probably it's Sister Party, Soul Kitchen.

00:08:12.560 Big People Fet that I did with Dr. J was one of the brands that most people know.

00:08:16.840 But like Icon, the one, White Sands, B-Boy Document, it goes on and on.

00:08:21.320 Like I've been, it's 25 years, right?

00:08:23.000 So we've produced events, you know, six events, Caravan a weekend.

00:08:27.000 We've done the Island.

00:08:28.000 We've done everything.

00:08:29.000 Everything.

00:08:30.000 We've done Harborfront.

00:08:31.000 We've done, you know.

00:08:32.000 It's going to lead to my next question.

00:08:33.000 of the brands that you've associated with help develop that you can put under your belt uh

00:08:38.200 personally i've been working on a concept with my good friend natalie it's called lyric yes we also

00:08:45.800 have exhale and lyric is a karaoke like it's a it's a karaoke party yes which is taking swing

00:08:51.320 nowadays yeah we're traveling with that one and um on top of that we have exhale which is a boat

00:08:57.080 cruise that we do every summer yeah um sometimes we might do it twice sometimes we might do it once

00:09:01.320 depending on availability of the boat um and then i work with other phenomenal promoters brands to

00:09:10.680 bring that's the nice oh yes when dance the nice you probably know them better than i know them

00:09:15.480 because i watch what you guys are doing i i we're entrepreneurs and we watch which led to my question

00:09:21.080 that is here you know you named about 10 different brands and i'm just being like you named a couple

00:09:27.160 to put them all together, they're like 15 brands.

00:09:30.160 Now we live in a country where it's seasonal, very seasonal.

00:09:34.160 And so most of those brands work within that summer season.

00:09:37.160 So when you've done all of the things as entrepreneurs that we have to do to keep afloat and make our families happy,

00:09:43.160 what prevents you both from burnout?

00:09:46.160 What prevents you from burnout?

00:09:50.160 I don't know that there's any preventing burnout.

00:09:52.160 You can't, you can't outwork grief and you can't like run from burnout.

00:09:56.160 Like it's just like, it's a reality of life.

00:09:58.160 Um, myself and kid, like, I mean, we met in like as teenagers, literally.

00:10:03.160 Right.

00:10:04.160 Um, when black star was born, like black star, when I started doing graphics and towels and these kinds of things for baby blue and for kid.

00:10:12.160 And, um, we went nonstop until we were forced to stop in the, in the pandemonium.

00:10:17.160 Right.

00:10:18.160 Well, you hit the nail on the head.

00:10:20.160 Teenagers.

00:10:21.160 You're grown men now. Families and houses, and we've moved on.

00:10:26.160 So, like, how do you stay relevant then?

00:10:30.160 Like, how do you stay relevant in these times when it's changing?

00:10:33.160 And how do you level up to stay relevant?

00:10:35.160 Like, how? How? How? How? How?

00:10:38.160 Kid.

00:10:39.160 Stay relevant?

00:10:40.160 Your name is Kid.

00:10:42.160 Just think young. Think young.

00:10:45.160 No, to stay relevant, pretty much just stay on top of what's happening,

00:10:50.160 what's happening in the media culture lifestyle and if you gravitate to those kind of things

00:10:57.520 you're going to be relevant like if you refuse to stay on top of fashion and current events and

00:11:04.080 music you're gonna so when you when did you stop thinking as a performer and then evolve into an

00:11:14.880 owner wow um i didn't stop i'm always thinking hey i'm a performer right people actually

00:11:26.000 go to these events to forget the stresses of what's been happening all week or all month

00:11:32.640 they're like hey i'm out at an event let me just forget for you know about two or three hours just

00:11:38.800 just that little glimpse of fantasy you know what i mean so my job is to help them forget that like

00:11:46.160 just let them enjoy themselves bring it back to like a happy place okay right you know that's my

00:11:51.120 thing i like that but who is kid cut when the mic is off oh well um i guess i'm a father and i am

00:12:01.120 still a creator like you know when the microphone's off that's just one aspect but i'm always a

00:12:06.080 creator always working on art projects whether it may be video or audio or production always still

00:12:15.520 i guess i am who i am you know i mean it's not like i just lie down in a room and play chess

00:12:22.320 all day no i'm always doing it right and he's a creator oh my gosh okay uh what's the difference

00:12:32.560 in between being busy because we're all busy we say we're all busy i got to go here i got to go

00:12:39.040 here my house they're always asking me where are you going i gotta go here what's the difference

00:12:43.520 in being busy and and and where does that come into profit profitability so i mean for me um

00:12:52.320 you know if you watch jordan's career i'm not jordan by the way wow

00:12:56.000 No, but like if you watch Jordan as he like evolved throughout his career, he wasn't dunking

00:13:06.280 on everybody all the time.

00:13:07.780 His kid knows like when we were coming up, you know, some of those years I was doing

00:13:11.340 like 102 parties in a year, like I pick and choose my shots, I get to the spot, right?

00:13:17.840 And it's probably a three pointer these days as opposed to dunking on somebody's head all

00:13:21.620 the time.

00:13:22.620 efficiency over like, like busyness, right?

00:13:26.300 Like, so I pick in shoes where, you know what I mean?

00:13:29.040 And I, and I drop in and I drop out, you know what I mean?

00:13:31.500 And, and it's possible for like to your profitability question

00:13:35.500 to do 10 parties that are more profitable than 102.

00:13:39.300 Correct. Correct.

00:13:40.300 Right. So yeah.

00:13:42.260 What's something about the entertainment industry

00:13:44.440 that people would be shocked to learn

00:13:45.800 that they wouldn't imagine happens there.

00:13:48.180 They see the entertainment industry, the cars roll up.

00:13:51.220 has been responsible for bringing some of the best actors to come through parties and girls are like 1.00

00:13:56.260 oh my god he's here i don't know some of them offhand but you'll tell us uh you know what is

00:14:01.220 the truth the shocking truth behind the industry that people would be shocked to know you know what

00:14:07.220 i mean i mean the game must be sold not told but i mean and i'm not trying to get you to air out

00:14:12.740 your your secrets no but i mean he has a patreon page you know only feet one day when he's trying

00:14:19.220 only feet you know but yeah i know like i mean it's not it's not as glamorous as it looks it's

00:14:26.100 not you know like what you'd see on the internet you know people like you know like i fly every

00:14:31.700 day like i'm in the air force like i'm like right there's a lot of lonely nights and like hard work

00:14:36.660 and and hours that people don't see that are off the clock um there aren't as many there are groupies

00:14:42.580 and toronto has more male groupies than anywhere in the world but there are not as many like it's

00:14:47.780 not as glamorous as you'd think it is we're not we're not partying for a living we actually are

00:14:53.140 there's a price that you pay when you're like when you're born to entertain like you know kid

00:14:57.060 pays that price like all the time like he comes off stage and he turns into kevin right i've

00:15:02.340 watched him like literally all right i'm going on stage huh right and then he comes off and he

00:15:07.060 deflates right like there's a price that you pay when you're like born to entertain right so

00:15:10.660 So it's not all fun and games and we're just drinking and like partying all day.

00:15:16.400 It's months and months and months of preparation for one event sometimes.

00:15:19.720 And that's the myth that's out there.

00:15:22.080 There's a lot of promoters that put on events and I think the biggest myth that a lot of

00:15:27.220 people forget is that they look in there and they see 500 to a thousand people and they're

00:15:33.120 like, oh, there's a thousand people there.

00:15:35.380 So they paid $20 a head, they made 20,000.

00:15:39.900 This place must only cost $1,000 to rent.

00:15:42.400 So someone's getting away with the DJs.

00:15:44.540 I think the most misconception is when people look into an audience

00:15:47.980 and believe that they can count the money that a certain individual is making.

00:15:51.920 And it's far from the truth.

00:15:53.340 There's so many fine-tuned things.

00:15:55.080 I'm going to have a couple of these guys come out to the show

00:15:58.400 and actually give me their piece on what they do with entertainment.

00:16:02.000 I'm very much enthralled in it.

00:16:04.560 But all jokes aside, give me a case and scenario

00:16:08.640 where you guys both thought you were going to make some money and lost your shirts millennium

00:16:14.320 uh what was yours millennium like at the millennium remember this oh wow going back

00:16:19.840 we were like all right here's one nba all-star weekend everybody thought they were going to

00:16:24.720 to to kick off and i was like i don't know emperor's new clothes

00:16:32.640 um i was part of that all-star weekend where every promoter was throwing a party

00:16:37.840 and it was going to be super big i was on like three or four nights and then the weather kicked

00:16:43.140 in and it did and it was like brick brick brick and nobody went anywhere right and a lot of parties

00:16:50.600 were canceled i guess i didn't lose any money that i invested but i lost out on money could

00:16:58.000 have been made uh i was in the same all-star weekend and we we were no but we we won we're

00:17:05.300 the ones that won. Remember, we're the only ones that won in the comedy sector because we had a

00:17:09.700 comedy show and it was sold out. And then everyone was like, oh, Shaquille O'Neal's going to be here

00:17:14.120 for the after party. You can't come in. And I'm like, listen, everyone's already here from the

00:17:19.080 comedy show. So you're thinking shots fired. I care zero. I was told that Shaquille O'Neal,

00:17:25.120 I can't party with him, but my show did well. But if I could give my claim to fame, Ian,

00:17:30.320 I'm surprised you didn't bring this up.

00:17:31.980 Oh, no.

00:17:33.160 The one where I got licked in my head.

00:17:36.180 I've got licked in my head a couple times.

00:17:37.780 So people that are watching that think promoters don't take it.

00:17:40.960 We take it.

00:17:42.000 Sometimes we take it.

00:17:42.980 Two of them, I'm going to tell real quickly.

00:17:44.240 One is Bobby Brown.

00:17:48.880 Oh, my God.

00:17:50.000 Why?

00:17:50.640 I got talked into doing Bobby Brown.

00:17:53.400 You got talked into.

00:17:54.500 Well, I did.

00:17:55.460 We did.

00:17:56.200 Cocked into a Bobby Brown coming to Toronto.

00:17:58.240 You know, this is before the late great Whitney Houston passed away, and he was still bad

00:18:03.520 to the BitBit Brown.

00:18:06.380 And he wanted a certain amount of money, and we were told that the person would have,

00:18:10.480 someone would invest all the money for Bobby Brown.

00:18:13.200 We just had to promote it, and we would get our money back.

00:18:16.580 And the person lost his shirt, because Bobby Brown said Whitney Houston stole his passport

00:18:21.920 and didn't give it back to him.

00:18:23.240 I'm like, didn't get a new passport.

00:18:25.520 May she rest in peace, one of the greatest voices of all time.

00:18:28.760 And then the guy that wanted his money back wasn't joking, and Ian, myself, and our third

00:18:34.020 partner had to find like $7,000 out of nowhere to pay this guy repeatedly, and it was horrible.

00:18:40.300 Horrible.

00:18:41.300 And at the end of the whole thing, the bank account was good to go solo.

00:18:44.340 It was more good to go solo.

00:18:46.340 Good to go solo.

00:18:47.340 Oh, my gosh.

00:18:48.340 Oh, my gosh.

00:18:49.340 Oh, my gosh.

00:18:50.340 Oh, my gosh.

00:18:51.340 Oh, my gosh.

00:18:52.340 oh my god people are watching and going bonnie brown came to toronto he did not so here's a fun

00:18:56.980 fact that was my first ever loss really yes that was 2008 well that's what started in 1999 yes

00:19:05.140 we've been friends ever since we've been friends ever since i wasn't even involved i came in to

00:19:11.300 save the party i was told that it was paid for i just have to promote and do what i do best well

00:19:17.140 I did best to have to pay $7,000.

00:19:19.340 I will never forget that.

00:19:21.440 The last installment, I'm like, who is this man?

00:19:23.940 Meet me at a mall.

00:19:25.840 You see, that's how times have changed now.

00:19:27.380 I want to kind of transition into that.

00:19:29.280 Times, they are changing.

00:19:30.680 The other day, I saw that Ian's son kept a party.

00:19:35.300 And Ian, I was like, wow, what a changing of the guard.

00:19:38.360 Before you were even born, your father was doing parties.

00:19:41.540 Do you think our children kind of look at what we do

00:19:43.760 and want to jump into it?

00:19:45.200 I know what Kevin's kids are like.

00:19:46.800 I know what mine are like, tell us a little bit about that.

00:19:49.800 Not anymore.

00:19:50.800 He did it.

00:19:51.800 He was like, that was good enough for me.

00:19:53.800 He's done.

00:19:54.800 I was like, yeah, I think he's done.

00:19:55.800 I think like he, he learned some life lessons that I wanted him to learn.

00:19:58.800 My mother's like, you know what, I'll follow you into this thing. 0.75

00:20:01.800 And I was like, you gotta let him learn some lessons.

00:20:03.800 So you saw, you know, the people that you were closest to may not be the ones to support

00:20:08.800 you.

00:20:09.800 Right.

00:20:10.800 They might even be the first ones to be like, yo, I think he is putting himself on a flyer.

00:20:12.800 Yeah.

00:20:13.800 You know what I mean?

00:20:14.800 lessons and he saw how hard it is because i believe that he thinks money grows on literally

00:20:20.320 on trees you know what i mean he's like you know dad like you know the union air force ones i'm

00:20:24.960 like not air force ones whatever jordan ones yes i'm like i'm like they're only 465 i'm like yeah

00:20:30.160 no problem you know what i mean like so i think after throwing that event he realizes that what

00:20:35.280 we do is not just just pick up look good and go and you know i've known you kid you've been a

00:20:41.360 entrepreneur your whole life and you've got your kids now have any of them looked at how you work

00:20:46.400 hard for your stuff has it been a different thing or does anyone want to emulate being the new kid

00:20:51.360 cut or what do you think from your kids how they you know what i with my kids i think they dabble

00:20:58.400 in it right um i'm not sure if they're that um devoted right to the cause but um they're very

00:21:08.400 talented kids um at my twins for sure they play like at least three instruments each right they

00:21:15.520 sing they rap right um they they they actually record music and record music for people like

00:21:22.400 they're really talented kids i just think that because they're so talented the drive is probably

00:21:29.120 not right there a lot of times when you know there's you have talented people but they don't

00:21:35.360 really have the drive and then you have people with drive and the talents there but not as much

00:21:39.680 you know what i mean i get it so or mine who has both but yes not for this not for this like he'll

00:21:45.440 dance down the place kayla will kazumba down the place or whatever but not for this yeah it's true

00:21:50.400 the same with mine i got my three girls they're all established and do their thing but then i get

00:21:54.880 a son and i'm like what does he want to do and he's different he's not he's not as as extroverted

00:22:00.480 as I am, but he doesn't like a lot of the same things they do. And what we all want is the best

00:22:06.080 for our kids. You know what I mean? We want them to be able to have what we didn't. Like our parents

00:22:10.160 wanted us to have what we didn't. And it turns around and you're like, hey, what's going on here?

00:22:14.880 Before you know it, they're off doing their own thing. Speaking of which, I want to be able to

00:22:19.120 transition. Let's create, if we were, because we've been all over the world. Kid, I've seen you in

00:22:24.000 Dubai. I've seen you on the islands. I've seen us all over the world. Create to me the best experience

00:22:30.160 that if we had the opportunity to do no expense budget holding us back what would you do what

00:22:36.000 would you create uh what would i create together in toronto yeah we're here summer day summer day

00:22:43.120 i would love to create uh the ultimate food and entertainment kind of vibe like it would probably

00:22:56.000 like a multi-space like back in the days you know when uh government had yes different rooms

00:23:01.360 different rooms going at the same time and some people are on the patio some people were in the

00:23:05.280 big room i would love to do one big branded event and have different sectors and just be like have

00:23:13.120 a lot of people just come out be like yo there's 20 000 people out and then you know something like

00:23:18.560 that i mean for me it's ultimately what i was attempting unfortunately failure to launch

00:23:25.840 but you know like the toronto soul music festival which would have brought together the best in r&b

00:23:31.520 but like also like the diaspora um marketplace where black business would have been it was food

00:23:37.760 comedy art everything all in one place so we were basically trying to create an essence music

00:23:44.240 festival here but i don't know that that emotion was imparted but like that was the goal food

00:23:49.840 trucks and environment because you know like if you go to the states or if you listen to blk the

00:23:54.880 the old people know them, the young people music,

00:23:56.540 the young people know the old people music.

00:23:58.460 But here, because we don't have radio

00:24:00.040 and we don't have these things,

00:24:01.400 you don't see these multi-generational spaces.

00:24:04.140 And that's what that was trying to create.

00:24:06.380 So yeah, that would be it for me.

00:24:08.740 And outdoor music, food, comedy.

00:24:11.960 Yes, art and comfort.

00:24:13.500 Culinary, everything.

00:24:15.440 And with that being said, we do the before I let go.

00:24:19.440 That's the business.

00:24:20.660 This is the business we're in.

00:24:22.660 ever really truthfully think of quitting like you reach that brink where you're like

00:24:28.820 am i too old do i do this anymore do we quit like why do we do this you ever you ever get to that

00:24:34.500 point um you know what like you asked kid a question about relevance i don't believe in

00:24:39.140 relevance i believe in like evolution right so i mean like you know sometimes people go places

00:24:45.220 and they're like oh the crowd's too young and i was like they're exactly where they're supposed

00:24:48.900 to be you are not so there have to be spaces and places for you know like so it's like i've done

00:24:56.900 1500 events you know what i mean like but it's like but what am i supposed to be doing at my

00:25:01.700 level apart from helping the joshua lucas and those kind of people like the young people who

00:25:06.500 are coming up your legacy is what you leave behind you right so it's like you know like how do you

00:25:12.740 look at those baby vays and what and like these individuals who are coming up even when you're

00:25:18.900 not working with them directly and like you know like that's the bdrb stuff that i'm doing how do

00:25:22.820 i get these people grants how do i get them spaces right so that they don't have to go through the

00:25:27.380 stuff that we went through so i mean i've so in that regard you feel you have enough to give to

00:25:32.500 stop quitting right now yeah like i mean i mean like i don't have to you know like i don't have

00:25:36.980 anything to prove in terms of doing another 300 person party right right but there's legislation

00:25:42.660 needs it to be changed so that kid cut can get like if there's a pandemonium that there's like

00:25:48.100 there's grant funding for everybody with an electric guitar exactly for us right yeah so

00:25:52.900 you know like yeah do you feel like ever quitting my brother uh i can't stop won't stop can't stop

00:26:01.460 won't stop yeah definitely no i never really thought of quitting but i just knew that you

00:26:06.660 you know as you get older people's you know you stop seeing them around right like they're not

00:26:12.740 around anymore so i was like oh i guess that's what you're supposed to do but somehow i've been

00:26:17.120 blessed right that as i get older i lock in with more gigs and more events and there's more

00:26:24.180 opportunities coming my way so um no i i think i'm just gonna go to the wheel go to the wheels

00:26:31.120 we create the culture man it's the same for me as a comedian they're like hey were you ever

00:26:35.780 going to retire. Well, funny never has an age on it. I'm lucky to know that the oldest in the industry

00:26:41.080 can still be funny. And I question myself, but all right, am I doing it? But we unlearn and we

00:26:46.180 relearn to be able to, you know, be relevant with what's going on. And so being that being said,

00:26:52.960 we, and I say this, this is Toronto represented. This is known to true patriot love throughout

00:27:00.560 the whole country but we live here in toronto which i believe is the screw face which they call

00:27:06.160 the capital capital of the world why is that why do we eat our own why do we not give our flowers

00:27:13.760 to our own talent that comes out of here i'm on a show here called true patriot love and why do

00:27:19.040 we not show love to our own talented people within our industries i don't know i think it's probably

00:27:23.600 the the the mentality of the crabs in a bucket you know i mean you don't really want to see that

00:27:27.600 next person do better than you kind of vibe that they leave and then when they leave they're like

00:27:33.440 oh they were better okay yeah man i supported them as soon as they leave and they're doing

00:27:39.840 what they're supposed to be doing everybody's like yo i helped them along yeah i knew we'd

00:27:44.640 always make it but i guess people they don't want to see your neighbor have a better lawn than you

00:27:51.040 period it is the neighbor but i think it's the the american neighborhood

00:27:57.280 we're like the little brothers right right and so we've always had this like mentality that

00:28:02.400 whether we believe it or not it's like you know most of the time when we touch a microphone we

00:28:06.160 put on an american accent or whatever the case is right like that that is better like when you make

00:28:12.320 it over there you've made it right um and in terms of the crabs in a bucket thing like yeah like you

00:28:17.920 know sadly crabs don't belong in buckets but you know what i mean like but like it is true like

00:28:24.320 you know people don't want to see you do well until you don't as long as you're not doing better

00:28:29.200 than they are right yeah exactly you know okay with that being said all jokes aside what advice

00:28:35.520 would you give to anybody that's coming up on the come up this industry i've said it we are the

00:28:41.040 screw face capital of the world we got through it barely how what advice would you give to an

00:28:47.360 up-and-coming person that does what you do in your career um in a career like yours yeah well

00:28:53.520 Well, I would look at it from a point of view, like just put one foot in front of the other one and stay consistent.

00:29:02.100 Just stay consistent.

00:29:03.620 Keep doing it.

00:29:05.320 You'll look back at some point and be like, hey, I've traveled a long distance.

00:29:09.600 I've gone that way.

00:29:10.600 Yeah.

00:29:11.100 Yeah.

00:29:11.540 You know, right now you can't see it.

00:29:13.320 Someone's like, oh my gosh, that's a long way.

00:29:15.360 I don't even, and then, you know, failure to start.

00:29:17.180 It's happening before you know it.

00:29:18.460 You, Ian, I advise you to give to someone who wants to do a career similar to your career

00:29:24.100 that's coming in right now.

00:29:25.420 You mentor on your show.

00:29:27.420 He's like, don't ever do it.

00:29:29.420 No, no.

00:29:30.420 Runs for your life.

00:29:31.420 Hide your kids.

00:29:32.420 Hide your wife. 0.97

00:29:33.420 Yeah.

00:29:34.420 I mean, I think it's pretty simple.

00:29:36.420 It's like, be a good person.

00:29:38.420 Right. 1.00

00:29:39.420 Don't be a piece of shit. 1.00

00:29:40.420 Pay people. 1.00

00:29:41.420 Your reputation.

00:29:42.420 Your name is your reputation.

00:29:43.420 Correct.

00:29:44.420 Consistency.

00:29:45.420 Passion.

00:29:46.420 You know, and try to make the place a better place than it was before you came.

00:29:51.420 Hey, those are the words there from my man Ian Andre Espinay.

00:29:55.420 Espinay.

00:29:56.420 Espinay.

00:29:57.420 Espinay.

00:29:58.420 So that's a legacy.

00:29:59.420 Both of us, all of us, we spend a short time on this earth.

00:30:04.420 We always want to leave the earth better than we came in.

00:30:07.420 But if we were going to say, what legacy would you like KidCut to leave on people when you leave this earth?

00:30:13.420 What would you like people to say about you?

00:30:15.420 I don't want to be morbid, but I want you to say,

00:30:18.420 what would you like to know?

00:30:20.420 Everyone thinks of my funeral.

00:30:21.420 I'd love to be able to watch it from heaven or wherever we are.

00:30:24.420 Wherever we are.

00:30:26.420 Or from hell, you're caught in.

00:30:29.420 But all to be told, what would you like them to say about you?

00:30:34.420 Man, I haven't really thought about it,

00:30:37.420 but maybe he was a trailblazer, and he worked really hard,

00:30:42.420 hard, and he stayed consistent at what he was doing, and he made a lot of people smile.

00:30:49.160 Nice. What do you want him to say about you, Ian? And you're like, I hope these guys get it

00:30:53.940 right. I'll be watching. What would you have him say about you? I don't know. I mean, I kind of

00:30:59.200 feel like other people's opinion is none of my business, but I mean, I would hope that I

00:31:05.440 am going to say it, and the kid's going to say pause. I hope that I touch some people along the

00:31:11.180 way um that's you know like i hoped along the way that like i inspired some people like you know

00:31:19.660 good or bad like you know um you know you had asked about like legacy and you know um like when

00:31:25.900 i talk to when i teach at tmu or at humber or wherever like i tell them like don't let anybody

00:31:31.180 write your narrative like you can be the first don't be the second kid cut be the first whoever

00:31:36.140 you are yeah you know what i mean and so it's just like like you don't have to be like restrained by

00:31:41.740 the constraints of the society you know we're west indian my dad was like what kind of foolishness 1.00

00:31:47.260 go ahead and get a job garbage and like right and don't stay in the job for 10 years and don't move

00:31:51.740 because it'll it shows inconsistency yeah this is not a this is a hobby this is not a right you know

00:31:57.660 so like you can you can build your own narrative and like create something where something's never

00:32:02.700 been created like you know before like amnesia had an album deal is because baby blue had an

00:32:07.100 album deal correct because i never thought that we could like a party could have an album deal

00:32:12.220 until i saw a dj i was like i never thought a dj could get an album deal right so like

00:32:16.780 that was my inspiration for going to universal to look for that album deal right you know what i

00:32:20.860 mean be the first i love that i love that be the first you be the first you yeah uh if i would do

00:32:26.620 it and i'm i'm gonna say it i would love my legacy to be left that i worked hard like you both said

00:32:31.740 uh made people smile like you said i was like those are check marks on my list

00:32:35.980 just being able to be happy to know that that guy was different and it's funny people you know jay

00:32:40.620 martin where this renaissance man came i didn't give myself the name it was given by eddie williams

00:32:45.980 but i really personified i won't do any uh you can't peer pressure me on camera you cannot rule

00:32:54.860 it i'm not sure um that being said no he renaissance man allows me to do a lot of be a lot

00:33:03.780 of things and wear a lot of hats my dad always used to say you're a jack of a trans master of

00:33:09.280 none i proved him wrong i'm a master in a lot of areas that's what a renaissance man does

00:33:14.660 if i'm throwing a party or keeping them laughing and doing comedy that would be my legacy uh i

00:33:19.860 want to leave a legacy that's why we're doing this and for our families that know that we don't have

00:33:24.420 the regular nine to five, we're out here trying to leave a legacy.

00:33:28.420 That makes it make sense.

00:33:29.700 So before I actually get wrapped up and going, I know you all have very productive days.

00:33:33.960 First of all, I'd like to thank you all for coming on to True Patriot Love.

00:33:37.320 My podcast is All Jokes Aside.

00:33:39.960 Make sure you keep it locked here when you are on tplmedia.com.

00:33:44.360 But before we go, let us know some upcoming events that you guys are attached to and where

00:33:49.480 we can find you.

00:33:50.600 This year, Lyric, we're going to be actually touring throughout the States.

00:33:54.420 We have a couple dates slotted for Toronto.

00:33:59.720 Oh, me and you got a good thing coming up.

00:34:03.900 I'll let you talk about it in the days to come.

00:34:06.160 Yes, we do.

00:34:07.860 I'll be out every summertime.

00:34:10.660 I will be out for Carabana or Toronto Carnival,

00:34:14.600 whatever you want to call it.

00:34:15.480 Yes.

00:34:15.880 We still call it Carabana.

00:34:16.500 We can call it what you have to do until the forces come in,

00:34:20.200 and I know some of them personally.

00:34:21.540 I'm going to be out like, you know, every weekend, I'm going to be out doing my thing,

00:34:25.960 just living in the moment, inspiring other people to live in the moment and have some

00:34:30.780 fun and forget the mundane everyday life.

00:34:34.820 Perfect.

00:34:35.540 Perfect.

00:34:36.220 Yourself, Ian, what can you look forward to and how can they?

00:34:38.860 I'll be back for summer.

00:34:40.700 Right now I'm busy with that breaking down racial barriers stuff.

00:34:45.020 Finishing a study by shortly.

00:34:47.860 um soul kitchen returns um new new resident home at penthouse a kid is on the may two four long

00:34:56.020 weekend edition with skits yes um we will be the new volume is called interpretations 10 djs

00:35:03.780 unique uh perspectives infinite possibilities so every dj will play it their own way for the next

00:35:10.100 uh little while for the next 10. perfect um b-boy document returns this year carpe diem returns

00:35:16.100 this year.

00:35:17.100 Look at you.

00:35:18.100 Carabana.

00:35:19.100 White Sands.

00:35:20.100 Kid is on that as well.

00:35:21.100 You're everywhere.

00:35:22.100 Yeah.

00:35:23.100 Kids everywhere.

00:35:24.100 Always.

00:35:25.100 He's at the opening of an envelope.

00:35:27.100 He's at the opening of an envelope.

00:35:30.100 All jokes aside.

00:35:32.100 Kids are very selective.

00:35:34.100 I'm just playing around.

00:35:35.100 Kids on all the best parties.

00:35:37.100 I will be at When Dance Did Nice. 0.72

00:35:39.100 When Dance Did Nice.

00:35:42.100 Yeah.

00:35:43.100 new stuff coming.

00:35:45.620 We are in Series A for Toronto Soul Music Festival

00:35:49.040 for that.

00:35:50.460 And yeah, there's a lot of stuff coming.

00:35:53.140 See people, we don't sit home and not do anything.

00:35:55.420 We actually have some fun.

00:35:57.440 As Kevin alluded to,

00:35:59.160 I'm very, very, very, very proud.

00:36:01.620 We're going to be announcing it this weekend.

00:36:03.160 We're all smiling.

00:36:04.440 We created a brand in association

00:36:06.820 with the Rama Gaming House in Mississauga

00:36:09.080 that's going to be called Soul Food Sundays.

00:36:12.120 And I mean, we hired our kid to be our music coordinator director to curate DJ selections of DJs each and every Sunday we will be there. Members will be a membership in there. But the membership is very inexpensive. It comes with a drink and the restaurant will be there with my little brother, the smokehouse. It's going to be amazing. We will have soul food each and every Sunday. Music, drones, just a vibe when the winters are so long.

00:36:42.120 in this country it's so nice to know that we're going to have something to look forward to

00:36:45.320 so each and every sunday we will be having soul food sundays over at rama gaming house it's going

00:36:50.120 to be nothing short of amazing so keep it locked we thank you for listening to my podcast this this

00:36:55.080 week oh man it's going to be nice i'm thanking my two guests ian andre espine i'm an amazing kid

00:37:01.960 cutting the voice of the vibe i'm yours truly mr jay martin the renaissance band and we'll see you

00:37:06.920 you next time.

00:37:07.920 Thank you.

00:37:36.920 patriot it's gratitude to your country of course i'm a patriot i'm canadian it's my home well

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True Patriot Love - April 01, 2026

All Jokes Aside： The Voice of the Vibe & The Architect Behind the Scenes

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