True Patriot Love - Bill Gates Warns： AI Could Upend Jobs and Society

00:00:00.000 so when when you see the the news stories and the press releases that they they caught someone you

00:00:05.760 know doing fraud or scams that is that it harkens back to be honest with you to the early 80s when

00:00:13.040 the miami police force would show that hey we caught two kilos of cocaine but two tons came in

00:00:20.080 hey everybody this is ron coghlin as well as jim lang today talking about a really interesting

00:00:30.080 topic one that i've been talking about on my what's your story podcast about generative ai

00:00:35.360 and ai and this turbulent time in ai and actually recently uh bill gates you all know who he is uh he

00:00:44.640 He has published kind of an urgent perspective on the topic, talking about artificial intelligence and how he warns, actually, this new era is going to bring about some turbulent times in business as well as in the job force and many other things.

00:01:02.760 So welcome, Jim. How are you doing today?

00:01:07.060 I'm good. And the article in the column by Bill Gates was eye-opening and enlightening.

00:01:13.040 for lay people like me, but for the government officials and science community, when he uses

00:01:21.120 the phrase, quote, on the current course and speed, there is a very high chance of a net

00:01:27.540 negative outcome, unquote, about AI. So he's saying the way we're going, it could be dangerous.

00:01:35.400 Now, at the same time we're having this conversation, lawyers representing the victims

00:01:40.060 and survivors at Tumblr Ridge say they are filing 30 new lawsuits against open AI in a U.S. federal

00:01:46.920 court in California. People are trying to fight back against AI, and now it's gone to the courts.

00:01:53.260 And I think what Bill Gates said is sends off alarm bells and red flags everywhere, Ron,

00:01:59.640 that we have got to take a deeper look at a more serious look at AI, the impact on society

00:02:05.460 and everyday people before we advance too rapidly because it seems to be running out of control

00:02:11.800 right now. Yeah, absolutely. And one of the things he talks about is an education. Actually,

00:02:18.440 you know, today we're not necessarily preparing our workforce, our white-collar workforce anyway,

00:02:25.620 to step into some new roles that are going to be created through AI. You know, AI will.

00:02:30.260 I've had a lot of guests on my podcast that have said, listen, you know, like any new technology, there's going to be jobs lost, but there'll be new jobs created.

00:02:41.740 But one of the things that Bill Gates is saying is that, you know, from a white-collar perspective, there's going to be lots of job losses.

00:02:50.440 We're going to have to prepare for that.

00:02:51.760 And then from a blue collar perspective with robotics and everything else in AI, we're going to find ourselves in a bit of a pickle that it's going to be a lot of people who are going to lose their jobs.

00:03:03.440 Interesting enough, that is not what a lot of my other guests have been saying.

00:03:08.260 So he's putting up the red flag.

00:03:10.600 He's, you know, sounding the alarm bells.

00:03:15.040 And that's very interesting right now in terms of what he's saying.

00:03:18.680 And Ron, he went historical of breaking down the unemployment numbers in the United States

00:03:24.180 during the Great Depression when it hovered around 25 percent.

00:03:28.520 And it was post-World War II after the boom of manufacturing and construction to build

00:03:34.520 a war machine to win World War II where the American economy changed.

00:03:38.920 But he talked about a decade of well into double-digit unemployment numbers in America.

00:03:44.640 And he's saying it won't get to 25, but America has to prepare for double-digit 10, 11, 12, maybe 15 percent unemployment in the column.

00:03:54.240 And he's saying, hey, and he quoted it, he said, basically, neither party, referring to Democrats and Republicans, is very knowledgeable or being thoughtful about this.

00:04:04.900 It's a lot of superficial talk, Ron.

00:04:07.180 And the one thing that you've obviously gleaned from talking to experts that we've got to get past the, you know, that initial sheen and dig deep into this, because this is not getting a home computer or, you know, typing up an essay in a computer.

00:04:24.040 that transition from the 70s to the 80s in workplace and education. This is so far beyond

00:04:30.340 that, that we need to, if they don't have the knowledge of where we'll fall within the politicians

00:04:36.140 of Canada and around the world, they need to hire experts to help them. Yeah. One of the things I'm,

00:04:42.560 I also teach at the college level and I've taught, I teach digital marketing and I teach AI in those

00:04:47.580 courses and one of the things i have incorporated into some of my classes has been ai training so

00:04:55.740 for example google has these essentials of ai training i make it a mandatory assignment for

00:05:03.020 them to do a six-week kind of i guess commitment to getting their certification i make it part of

00:05:10.700 their mark and i make it so that they are have some type of credentials when they're getting

00:05:15.500 into the workplace because some companies like spotify and other places actually ask the question

00:05:22.060 um they ask the interview in the interview they say hey um if if if you were to work with us um

00:05:30.860 what why should we hire you when we could use ai and they ask those questions and so they have to

00:05:37.340 be prepared and they have to have the education which and the certification going forward and

00:05:42.860 And Gates is all over that.

00:05:44.520 He feels that, you know, for entry-level jobs or even jobs like copywriting or analysis or whatever, or coding,

00:05:54.940 those are a lot of those kind of jobs can be taken up through AI and actually replaced with that AI engine, you know.

00:06:02.300 And he's taken it a step further, Ron.

00:06:04.600 He's actually advocating for national AI institutions throughout the world, which would be located almost similar with associations to something like Waterloo University, the hub of computer science and quantum physics and stuff like that in Canada or MIT or, you know, those kind of schools around the world and have almost a whole subsection of AI institutions to educate the public politicians and protect us.

00:06:34.400 prepare ourselves we just did an episode not long ago with an expert in computer fraud and cyber

00:06:41.760 security in canada and he said look based on the conversation jim i'm having you right now

00:06:47.360 someone could take my voice use ai and make a fake phone call to someone maybe i know and ask

00:06:54.320 for money and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference and that is a very scary prospect

00:06:59.840 yeah when you pick up one of those um spam calls that you get all the time

00:07:04.400 The advice we hear is not to answer the phone if you don't know who it is, because what they're trying to do is capture your voice.

00:07:11.140 Once they capture your voice for at least five seconds, they've got you and they can they can use that against you and use that against your family.

00:07:18.640 And, you know, extort you or whatever or, you know, try to get money from people.

00:07:23.840 And it's not a good thing.

00:07:25.240 So when you see the news stories and the press releases that they they caught someone, you know, doing fraud or scams, that is.

00:07:34.400 That harkens back, to be honest with you, to the early 80s when the Miami police force would show that, hey, we caught two kilos of cocaine, but two tons came in.

00:07:46.340 Like, it's not even, we're not even scratching the surface.

00:07:49.380 So the level of ability to use AI for evil, for crime, for bad things in the world, that I think I really agree with Bill Gates that we need to develop almost a whole curriculum.

00:08:03.880 in post-secondary education in Canada, dedicated to AI, the science of AI, how to protect ourselves

00:08:11.840 through AI, and how to detect issues. We have no choice but to do it wrong.

00:08:18.000 Yeah. Gates in his essay really had some deep concern around relying on AI for young people

00:08:25.580 in terms of their cognitive development. He actually goes on to say that this could really

00:08:31.000 stunt the growth of young people uh stunt the growth of connecting with humans and

00:08:37.320 creating really meaningful relationships and uh you know really get away you know not teaching

00:08:44.040 them how to critically think about problems and other things because they're relying on tools

00:08:49.800 other than themselves and their bro their own brain and discussions amongst individuals or

00:08:55.640 or former students, actually like-minded students.

00:09:00.040 And so AI literacy is important,

00:09:03.580 but it can really potentially, as he says,

00:09:06.780 affect the cognitive development of young people.

00:09:09.960 Well, think about what used to be,

00:09:11.840 not that long ago, Ron, you'd have a question,

00:09:14.120 somebody said, just Google that.

00:09:15.720 So now on Google, there's an AI summary

00:09:19.440 of what you search, which is white of a four or five paragraphs

00:09:23.500 That's almost like a Coles note of the topic that you're looking at.

00:09:27.420 And I'm guilty of it as much as anyone.

00:09:29.620 You're like, oh, I see.

00:09:32.100 Okay, I got what I need to know.

00:09:34.540 In reality, like everyone else, like, oh, wait a sec, that's the AI summary.

00:09:39.100 Maybe I should, what does Ron think?

00:09:41.220 Or what does Mike Wixon think?

00:09:42.440 Or what does Paul Micucci think?

00:09:43.860 And you look deeper into it.

00:09:45.940 But now we've gotten to the point, it's beyond just Google it.

00:09:48.920 You Google it, and AI basically summarizes everything you need to know.

00:09:52.880 in three or four paragraphs at the top of the search window.

00:09:57.080 Yeah, you know what's interesting is three years ago,

00:10:00.020 Google announced they were getting away with,

00:10:02.240 they were going to actually eliminate something for marketers

00:10:06.740 called Google Tags, which really is used to track what you're doing

00:10:11.940 in terms of a consumer.

00:10:14.780 And what they were saying is that we're going to use AI modeling instead.

00:10:18.820 So we're going to use AI modeling to predict what you want, not necessarily what consumers are actually doing online, which is an issue because, you know, advertisers like that they can do that.

00:10:34.960 They like to be able to track people and understand what consumers are doing.

00:10:39.240 Yeah, so they actually fought back businesses and they have delayed the introduction of this.

00:10:46.560 But they have done what you have said, was when you make a search on Google and put in your keywords and your phrases, what you're looking for, up comes from Gemini, a summary first, and then there's the search queries after that, which is really, really interesting.

00:11:05.920 No, sir, go ahead, Ron.

00:11:07.660 Well, the other thing is, from an education perspective, as a professor, I've found that we do not do normal.

00:11:17.240 I won't ask my group of my students to write a marketing plan, which I always used to do in some of my classes.

00:11:24.100 Why not?

00:11:25.260 Because it's pretty simple.

00:11:26.640 All they have to do is put into Gemini or ChatGPT or Claude, could you write me a marketing plan and put a bunch of information?

00:11:37.660 uh in there to be more specific and now they have a well-written marketing plan that i couldn't even

00:11:43.980 write with all my years of experience so as their professor can you tell if it's them or ai

00:11:49.740 absolutely because um for one the the level of english is higher than some of the students in

00:11:57.420 the class um the words they're using these are students they're not experts in yeah in marketing

00:12:04.860 So there's lots of things you can clue, but we also had some tools that we use at the college.

00:12:11.220 One of the tools is called SafeAssign, and it looks at assignments and other things and can say, this could be taken from AI.

00:12:21.820 And it tells you that as well.

00:12:23.880 So pretty interesting, but it's a bit of a drag.

00:12:27.200 So we have to find new ways to evaluate people on their skills and maybe less, you know, writing and more practical ways of, you know, interviews and demonstrations and presentations and other things.

00:12:44.780 And Bill Gates alludes to it in the column, and there's been multiple columns written about it throughout North America, around the world, that post-secondary students are leaning heavily in AI to complete their tasks and get their marks.

00:13:00.120 And I think about you and all the instructors and professors and lab instructors around the world running courses and running assignments.

00:13:11.080 And for those young students, the pressure to graduate, to get high marks, to, you know, especially some of them based on their marks, they have some sort of academic, you know, fiduciary reward that they get some sort of stipend out of it.

00:13:25.540 You know, it's awfully tempting.

00:13:27.440 And with the time crunch and everything, you have to get the assignment done.

00:13:31.720 Ron, it's awfully hard.

00:13:34.100 I mean, we used to have Cole's notes to help us figure things out.

00:13:37.700 Well, now it's light years more efficient and faster.

00:13:42.920 It takes mere seconds to complete an assignment that's going to be well conceived, well written, well constructed, and should get you a good mark.

00:13:53.940 Yeah, the other thing that Gates alludes to is the ethics around this.

00:13:57.440 and equity because a lot of these AMI models have been developed by I have to say

00:14:06.000 you know those that have are white okay so because of that there's white values that are put into

00:14:12.240 that as well as the perception and perspectives of white individuals so in terms of ethnic minorities

00:14:19.440 or other types of racial people that's all been forgotten so a lot of the responses you get back

00:14:27.440 are from that perspective.

00:14:29.300 And it becomes ethically a real concern for Gates

00:14:32.740 and he brought that out in some of his article

00:14:36.840 that he wrote about this.

00:14:39.140 I think about Sam Altman, of course he touches a raw nerve

00:14:43.880 for a lot of people around the world

00:14:45.240 and he's the center now of this new lawsuit

00:14:47.880 with Tumblr Ridge and what happened to tragedy in BC

00:14:51.840 and all the AI experts there, it's interesting,

00:14:55.640 They're being looked at almost like Professor Oppenheimer with the invention of the atomic bomb.

00:15:03.080 They're wielding that kind of power around the world, and they're going out of their way to try to make everyone think,

00:15:09.720 Ron, oh, Ron, I'm not evil.

00:15:11.900 I'm just trying to make society better.

00:15:13.900 But, you know, as Bill Gates talks about, unfortunately, white-collar jobs will be deeply affected in the world.

00:15:21.540 And AI can't fix your plumbing.

00:15:24.580 It can't rewire your bathroom, but AI can help you write a legal document or do accounting or any number of jobs that you would have to hire someone to pay for.

00:15:36.360 Or those firms that had 12, 20 people now will be able to do one or two thanks to AI.

00:15:43.120 Yeah, and it also saves organizations money.

00:15:46.580 I'll give you an example.

00:15:47.380 Of course.

00:15:47.800 So TPL Media, which we're both part of, we're looking at new ways to get out into the public to really spread our wings and get noticed and get people to follow us.

00:16:00.320 And one of the ideas we've come up with, actually Paul Micucci came up with this, said we should be going to some trade shows and have some type of a live podcast.

00:16:08.880 So today I was thinking through this and said, well, maybe we should do a pop-up.

00:16:14.240 So I put into, you know, Google AI, I asked it, I said, hey, listen, create me a podcast studio out of a shipping container and make it this color, add this logo, put a look from people watching the podcast.

00:16:33.940 And we put it up and bang, it was like incredible what came out of it.

00:16:38.620 And it took about three minutes.

00:16:42.700 Three minutes.

00:16:44.500 That's the thing, Ron.

00:16:46.560 I understand people are trying to keep AI at arm's length,

00:16:53.040 but then you're in a situation like that and you need some information.

00:16:56.180 You're like, wow, that was amazing.

00:16:58.100 That was quick.

00:16:59.660 Yeah, and the other thing that I've, and this is also a major theme

00:17:03.780 that's come across with all the guests I've had on the 0.81

00:17:06.760 What's Your Story, Gen AI podcast is that it's garbage in, garbage out. 0.75

00:17:11.220 So you can feed it information.

00:17:12.740 it will learn over time and then over time um like for example if you're asking a task like i just

00:17:18.340 asked to create a uh you know experiential marketing pop-up uh for tpl media um if you

00:17:25.780 don't like what you get you just put in there well why don't you add some more people in front

00:17:30.900 uh i'd like you to put the logo the new logo we're developing on there what about a tear right there

00:17:36.660 Yeah, and it does that very quickly.

00:17:41.520 Well, see, and I think about what Bill Gates said.

00:17:44.360 AI will either be the greatest equalizer ever invented or the worst source of injustice.

00:17:50.420 So what you're talking about, I think, is the positive aspect, how quickly you can search up something, create ideas, come up with something and a plan and go, oh, okay, if we tweak this and this, this will work for us.

00:18:05.420 Now, I see that the bad side and the evil side being used by, you know, the Vladimir Putins of the world or or, you know, some criminal mastermind or someone trying to do you ill.

00:18:17.560 But there's also there if we do it right.

00:18:20.400 And I think Bill talks about it.

00:18:21.960 If we work at this and train people, do it right.

00:18:25.180 This could be a good thing, Ron.

00:18:26.480 Yeah, and he also talks about higher institutions like universities and colleges and the Harvards of the world to really prepare structurally how this should all be and proactively in opposed to just throwing it into courses and, oh, we need to have AI into these curriculum and into these course outlines because overall, it's going to be part of our life.

00:18:51.500 And they need to really thoroughly think about how you use AI as a learning tool in the classroom, how you use AI to effectively train people to use AI and to in this new changing marketplace from a broader perspective.

00:19:10.360 Well, I remember in high school when Waterloo University was one of the first schools in the country to offer computer sciences a degree.

00:19:18.340 and we are probably at the point where the top schools in the world need to offer ai science

00:19:25.820 as a degree this is this is the whole curriculum for your bachelor's degree your bachelor's of

00:19:32.060 science is focused on ai the good the bad and the ugly about how it works how how it can be a

00:19:39.180 benefit i think we're at that point ron that we we need a stream a curriculum you know and a cohort

00:19:46.180 to students graduating so we can be prepared for what's coming yeah and you know gates argues about

00:19:53.940 this idea that ai actually makes shortcuts frictionless and he talks about this uh in

00:20:00.340 terms of everyday tasks he talks about in terms of how instructors should redesign their courses

00:20:06.820 and as in addition to that he also talks a little bit about you know overhauling the whole curriculum

00:20:12.340 in a way that actually seems quite daunting,

00:20:16.380 but you could use AdaEye to help you to do that.

00:20:21.040 So maybe not as daunting as he may think, you know.

00:20:24.760 And at the end of the day, being a professor,

00:20:29.340 I'm a little more advanced in this area,

00:20:32.180 so I'm up to speed on it.

00:20:34.420 And it's changing every day,

00:20:36.780 so I always need to be educating myself on what's happening

00:20:41.220 and how it's evolving because, you know, six months ago, it was at a certain state.

00:20:48.200 It's much further.

00:20:49.860 And sometimes I ask my guests, okay, in five years, where do you see this?

00:20:55.200 And most of them say, what do you mean?

00:20:57.620 In five months, where do you see this?

00:21:00.120 Or six months or next year?

00:21:01.820 He says, it's incredible, the actual speed in which this is changing the way that we

00:21:08.800 work, the way that we think.

00:21:11.220 the way that we get work done we make things more efficient and that type of thing bill gates you

00:21:17.900 know ron real quick you think about who's talking about this he has to be ranked as one of the most

00:21:24.260 groundbreaking minds and scientists of the last 50 years with the you know the home computer

00:21:31.660 and software and everything he's brought to what we just take for granted now and day to day and

00:21:38.580 And I think about his quote in his op-ed piece, this unprecedented, that's the key word, this unprecedented technology demands an unprecedented global response.

00:21:52.480 So here's a guy who's been at the forefront of software and computers for 50 years, and he refers to AI as unprecedented technology.

00:22:01.340 technology. So that means the best and brightest minds around the world, you know, bipartisan,

00:22:07.920 you know, forget about maybe your fights and squabbles. This is almost something that demands

00:22:12.600 the top minds around the world working together. Yeah. And he, one of his concerns is we're not

00:22:20.440 prepared and, and we're really not, we're not as fast as AI to think about what we need to do to

00:22:27.020 prepare our workforce, you know, our students and other things. And he also talks, as I said earlier,

00:22:35.700 about the social and cognitive harm this can have on many different groups of the population base

00:22:42.460 that is out there. I couldn't agree more. And think about at the same time he's explaining this

00:22:48.920 and breaking it down in real stark terms for everyone to read and be part of. The governments

00:22:56.000 that we live under, when they try to get laws through the House of Commons, through the Congress,

00:23:03.760 through, you know, all the parliaments and government offices around the world, it takes

00:23:08.620 time, Ron. They have to present it. They have to debate it. It has to get passed. Then there's

00:23:13.760 royal ascension. That takes, if you're lucky, only months and months. So by the time they passed

00:23:20.120 an AI law in Canada, it could be 8, 10, 12 months. Well, think about the advancement in AI

00:23:25.740 in that time yeah and the law's outdated by then yeah it's very quick and things are evolving and

00:23:33.780 changing including the data centers that are out there which i'm going to talk about on another

00:23:37.920 on another day with you uh but uh one of the things which i think is interesting is

00:23:44.440 really figuring out policy around ai but at the same time ai may advance beyond that policy pretty

00:23:54.180 quickly and so this is what he's worried about that the wrong people are going to get behind this

00:24:01.700 and it will affect our society may affect our finances they may uh elections different things

00:24:08.820 elections yes yeah the finance market yeah i mean it's it's endless how it could adversely affect us

00:24:17.460 And he's basically in the body of the peace pleading to the leaders of the world, you have a chance to act now before unemployment rises sharply, communities are hurting, and public trust is eroded.

00:24:30.460 But he is begging everyone around the world, stop squabbling about little things and, like, take some time and focus on AI and how it affects us.

00:24:39.920 Because they have an ethical and moral obligation to take his advice seriously, Ron.

00:24:48.460 They have to look at it.

00:24:49.420 They have to appoint someone.

00:24:51.800 And I know they have a new minister of digital media now in Canada.

00:24:57.720 But they have to go far beyond that.

00:24:59.840 I don't care if it's an MP or an MPP or it's a hand-picked individual from the top, you know, academic minds in the country, someone that they can appoint and be at the forefront of this because, you know, the future of Canada could be greatly affected positively or negatively if we're on the right side of this.

00:25:19.240 Absolutely.

00:25:19.680 You know, what I found funny is our recent struggles with the United States and our Lake America, I should say Lake Ontario.

00:25:28.940 Yeah.

00:25:29.840 mr trump and his cronies there have been from the white house have been using ai to send political

00:25:35.680 messages out uh that just make you angry and then they're they know what they're doing and it's

00:25:41.280 building and growing and learning from itself so that's interesting at the same time a canadian

00:25:47.280 a patriotic canadian used ai to create this patriotic song with ai generated canada geese

00:25:53.920 and beavers and moose you know wearing tpl hats and canada hats and singing along so it works

00:25:59.440 both ways yeah i know it's uh it it's it's very interesting times it is um i think that there's

00:26:08.400 some really important things it's really a um it's really about think rethinking about humanity

00:26:14.560 and how is this going to affect our daily lives how this is going to affect our kids

00:26:20.800 how is it going to affect our workflows at work and and if you're not up to speed on those skills

00:26:28.000 and using those things you're going to fall behind pretty quickly and he warns about that as well

00:26:35.140 in in this article and I I he's got he's got some great insight I think in terms of his rethinking

00:26:41.440 on all this I couldn't agree more and I think while you're saying that think about the seismic

00:26:47.440 change in farming in the 18 late 1800s early 1900s when tractors were introduced no long did you have

00:26:55.860 a team of horses or oxen pulling the plow all of a sudden you could do it in a fraction of the time

00:27:00.840 with a you know internal combustion engine power tractor and you could plow the field and harvest

00:27:07.680 the crops and produce more food and there has been times in the world where you know all of a sudden

00:27:14.260 it went from handmade stuff to the industrial revolution to big factories spewing black smoke

00:27:19.960 in the air, mass producing things. And there's been these moments in time in our history in the

00:27:26.360 last few hundred years that affected farming, manufacturing, air travel. And we take it for

00:27:31.720 granted that we just hop on a plane with turbofan engines, these jet engines that don't burn a lot

00:27:40.060 of fuel, produce a lot of thrust and get you basically anywhere you need to go in a few hours

00:27:44.160 like it was nothing. And on and on it goes. And so this is the latest thing. It's AI.

00:27:50.840 And the whole world, whether you want it or not, whether you agree with it or not,

00:27:55.400 it is not going away more. So we need to be proactive as a community, as a country,

00:28:02.280 as a society, to have these experts, to create these AI institutions, to have an AI degree,

00:28:08.420 to have people appointed by politicians and government to help protect us.

00:28:13.920 Otherwise, we could be really vulnerable here as a country.

00:28:17.920 Yeah, it's really about educational readiness, faculty readiness,

00:28:22.260 instructors who are informed about this, and institutional equity.

00:28:27.640 What I mean by that is it's actually, from a leadership perspective,

00:28:31.960 I think industry has to get together with the education groups

00:28:36.660 and the universities to help design clearer policy programs, change curriculums, and in a way that

00:28:45.140 will actually help the student body and help all students, not necessarily certain types of students,

00:28:52.180 but equitably across many different areas of study. And I think that's a concern as well,

00:28:58.020 because AI is also being used, for example, in medicine, right? So, and in a very positive way,

00:29:05.540 But at the same time, you know, those that are teaching it may not know how to use the AI, and they have to be informed and also educated themselves, which I think is really, really important here.

00:29:19.740 Now, he brings up something very interesting that I think a lot of people would view this as fair, a tax on AI usage that replaces monitoring of any model that can make novel molecules, he talks about it, but using it for funding.

00:29:37.840 So it's almost like an AI tax.

00:29:40.860 And because right now, these massive AI companies are, you know, poised to become multi-trillionaires.

00:29:49.260 And Mike Wickston and I talked about Mark Zuckerberg and Meta, and they're $1.5 trillion.

00:29:57.040 And so these huge social media companies with that kind of financial backing, they can now use it to funnel it into AI to make them even stronger.

00:30:07.840 And, you know, and he asked me the question, like, can government stop a Mark Zuckerberg and Meta?

00:30:14.620 And I quite frankly, I said, no, you know, he got fined $18 billion by a court case.

00:30:21.540 $18 billion in Mark Zuckerberg is the change you have in your cup holder to, you know, pay Tim Hortons or get that dollar for the cart at No Frills.

00:30:30.820 That's nothing to him.

00:30:31.680 So these big, huge companies will be, I mean, they're already making AI TV shows and movies.

00:30:38.260 You know, it can have a huge effect on how movies and television shows are made.

00:30:43.780 Well, I'll tell you a little funny story.

00:30:46.860 So not only movies, but also music.

00:30:51.060 Yes.

00:30:51.620 So, for example, I'm on my Spotify.

00:30:54.840 I have an AI DJ that will recommend certain songs to me

00:31:01.320 and ones I've listened to in the past and new ones I may like.

00:31:04.640 And recently, my AI friend introduced a guy named Benny Hill.

00:31:10.960 And Benny, I loved it.

00:31:13.100 It was amazing.

00:31:13.860 I couldn't believe it.

00:31:15.500 And then...

00:31:16.320 We were talking about not our Benny Hill from our youth,

00:31:18.580 but this guy named Benny Hill?

00:31:20.120 Yeah.

00:31:21.100 Okay.

00:31:21.300 um and he's uh he's a african-american blues artist and uh really really deep voice and very

00:31:28.980 cool oh and i really liked him and so i shared it with my wife and we let's find out where he's

00:31:34.820 coming to toronto and we could go listen to him and he wasn't he was a sorry you can't listen to

00:31:40.580 him he's a yeah and you didn't know when you're listening at first yeah it's not benny hill sorry

00:31:45.060 it's benny rivers my my but yes we could we can't see him but and when i share the song oh i like

00:31:52.340 that i did that the other day in the office here i shared the music and everybody's like oh i like

00:31:57.860 that oh yeah that's not real that's okay but think about this if you're jim and ron music production

00:32:06.100 we create ai music that gets a lot of downloads we're making money we don't have to pay a band

00:32:12.020 There's no expense on tour.

00:32:13.860 We don't have to worry about the lead singer getting arrested for drunk and disorderly.

00:32:17.600 You know, like, it's low-cost, easy money for these music companies.

00:32:23.380 They're always looking to cut costs.

00:32:25.420 They don't like spending money on anything anymore.

00:32:27.760 So, like, this is great.

00:32:29.400 We'll create our AI music, get it out there, and make profit.

00:32:32.800 What could be better?

00:32:33.600 Yeah, but for everyday workforce and everyday situations, AI now is being used very efficiently to make your day easier, get your job done quicker, organize, analyze data.

00:32:48.560 It's tremendous what it's doing.

00:32:51.740 And, for example, my son, he works for a digital marketing firm called the Influence Marketing Group.

00:32:57.380 And when he makes presentations, he'll design up a presentation, put it into the AI, ask it for recommendations, and pretty soon he's got this really robust, excellent presentation that he can put in front of his clients and really help make more money from it.

00:33:22.160 And Ron, I'm convinced that there are millions of Canadians who benefit from AI every day and don't realize it.

00:33:30.680 On one hand, they're telling you, Ron, I don't like AI.

00:33:33.500 I want nothing to do with it.

00:33:34.800 But by the end of the day, you could point out four or five times where AI was used in their life.

00:33:39.820 They go, oh, I just think it's so much part of our everyday lives that it's most people just don't realize how much it's taking over.

00:33:49.000 yeah and it's going to continue and and and as gates says and he warns is we need better be

00:33:57.780 prepared we better be aware of the negative aspects to this because it's going to happen

00:34:03.700 pretty quickly and well i mean he talks about empowering criminals and um and the danger of

00:34:11.640 that but i remember reading a book by canadian author with a fictional world war three he's

00:34:17.520 based on Ottawa, World War III sort of scenario

00:34:20.040 that involved Canada, New Zealand, America,

00:34:22.460 different countries around the world.

00:34:24.340 And the protagonists, the people that were worried about,

00:34:28.840 they were using AI to predict where the enemy was going.

00:34:34.100 So they'd say, oh, they have troops there,

00:34:37.400 vehicles there, AI, they're gonna be there.

00:34:39.980 And they could predict,

00:34:40.840 and they couldn't figure out why they kept getting beat

00:34:43.020 every battle, and the enemy was using AI as a predictor

00:34:47.420 Before the old day, you'd see the old pictures with the map and the cigar and trying to figure out where the enemy is.

00:34:52.920 And now between drone technology and AI, they're doing it in a fraction of the time in hyper accuracy.

00:34:59.100 And that's changing the battlefield around the world.

00:35:02.420 And the research and development, Ron, is being done in real time right now in Ukraine and in Iran, in the Persian Gulf.

00:35:10.800 Like both conflicts, we're utilizing this sort of evil AI technology on both sides to sort of go back and forth and see who can win.

00:35:21.700 Yeah, and even more scary is, you know, things like drones.

00:35:25.960 Yeah.

00:35:26.820 Giving them AI technology is a good thing, but it also, if someone was to, you know, hack it somehow, it could do some major damage, right?

00:35:39.380 So, yeah, there's a lot of concerns that this may go beyond what we can actually control, and that's a real challenge.

00:35:49.960 And also, from the normal workforce, you know, entry-level jobs, you learn certain tasks in your day, and Bill Gates warned about this.

00:36:01.220 These routine tasks today are becoming automated.

00:36:04.660 Because of this automation, our workforce is going to lose some of those skills, lose some of those different things that they should have developed over time to really be able to be an expert in a certain area.

00:36:20.920 And so they're actually skipping steps.

00:36:22.740 And so he actually says we must walk across the graduation stage into the new economy, is what he's saying, into this new world, and train people in a different way.

00:36:35.740 Well, here we are about to start the first-year freshman students across the world.

00:36:41.980 They're moving into their dorms and getting ready.

00:36:45.060 By the time they graduate in four years, Juan, think about the difference in the world and the difference with AI technology.

00:36:51.280 It's staggering.

00:36:52.740 Yeah, it's a different world for all of them. And I think, you know, it's interesting. When we had COVID, they were all stuck inside. They couldn't socialize, couldn't go to classes. Everything was online.

00:37:09.260 yeah you know and ai was just developing at that time it's exploded since then and now they have a

00:37:15.640 new challenge ahead of them and so education as i said earlier institutions need to be ready for

00:37:21.660 this they need to be having think tanks they need to change curriculums i mean i was part of

00:37:28.260 two big colleges and we were talking about it a lot but it needs a more deeper think and focus i

00:37:37.420 believe. So he, I love his call to action, the new national institutions and the new almost degrees

00:37:45.200 in AI. I know in York region, like a lot of areas, which is north of Toronto and, you know,

00:37:52.460 Richmond Hill, Vaughn, for people in other parts of Canada don't realize. So what they've done is

00:37:56.680 they've created specialized medical schools focused only on family doctors. Like a lot of

00:38:03.360 parts in Canada, there's a huge, you know, shortage of family doctors. So now they've created a medical

00:38:09.960 school solely focused on GP family doctors. And after they work for a few years, if they want to

00:38:15.840 go back to school and specialize and something else, that's fine. So we know it can be done.

00:38:20.440 They obviously had a real crisis of a shortage of family doctors in Ontario. And through the

00:38:28.260 federal government, provincial government, and regional governments, they got together,

00:38:31.580 found the land, built the building, hired the instructors, and now they are like in the first

00:38:36.860 cohort of these doctors. They're trailing strictly to be GPs. And so we know it can be done. So this

00:38:44.200 is an equally serious crisis. You can make an argument an even more serious crisis, Ron. So

00:38:49.880 let's be proactive. We have the wherewithal, the structure, the brain power, the money in this

00:38:56.140 country to create these even a satellite campus of existing schools or new schools totally focused

00:39:03.760 on AI so we as a country are ready. Absolutely and they really need to focus on the process of

00:39:10.920 thinking continue to have human connections involved in their in that process so we don't

00:39:17.320 get away from that and don't lose some of the cognitive development we need in our young people

00:39:22.560 And at the end of the day, it's not automation for convenience, but automation for results and for advancement.

00:39:31.320 And I think that's an important lesson that actually needs to be stated here.

00:39:36.460 You know what?

00:39:37.100 It's amazing, Ron.

00:39:38.000 Before you and I started talking, I came across a podcast in England that I follow sometimes.

00:39:45.340 And they were talking about this very same thing.

00:39:47.320 And I realized that Bill Gates has touched a nerve at countries around the world.

00:39:51.920 because they're all saying the same thing we are we're not ready bill gates is pointing it out and

00:39:57.580 like with a big banner look look look guys guys and saying everyone we got to do something and

00:40:04.340 now the rest of the world finally the light bulb's going on and it'll be interesting to see in the

00:40:09.580 wake of this in the wake of our discussion ron in the wake of discussions taking place around the

00:40:14.060 world what sort of call to action will happen will they create the new curriculum new institutions

00:40:19.860 Well, they start having, you know, real experts assisting the government, not just someone they appointed in part of the cabinet.

00:40:27.680 Hey, Steve.

00:40:28.540 Hey, Julie.

00:40:29.180 Now you're the AI minister.

00:40:30.980 Oh, okay.

00:40:32.100 And then the reporters ask you, what do you know?

00:40:34.040 I know nothing.

00:40:34.800 They just made me the minister.

00:40:35.860 No, we need actual people who know something.

00:40:39.120 It's too important to just be frivolous with it, Ron.

00:40:43.200 Yeah, and I think you're absolutely right there.

00:40:45.880 I mean, they make these big announcements, but what's really behind those announcements and that funding, who's leading it, how is this going to all go forward in the future?

00:40:58.000 Listen, Jim, I want to thank you for joining us today.

00:41:00.600 You and I are going to have another discussion about this pretty soon, about the AI data centers and the backlash around these AI data centers.

00:41:10.540 And one of the ones was in Olds recently in Alberta and some of the pitfalls around that as well.

00:41:17.900 But once again, I want to thank you for joining us today, Jim.

00:41:22.720 Pleasure.

00:41:23.220 All you people out there.

00:41:24.940 And we'll be chatting with you all soon.

00:41:26.940 Bye for now.

00:41:27.960 And we're not AI.

00:41:29.200 We're real.

True Patriot Love - September 11, 2026

Bill Gates Warns： AI Could Upend Jobs and Society

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