True Patriot Love - Camp X： Canada’s Secret Spy School & The Real James Bond ｜ ft. Robbie Cressman

00:00:00.000 During the Second World War, hidden along the shores of Lake Ontario, a top-secret training

00:00:05.140 facility helped shape some of the most daring intelligence operations of the war.

00:00:10.360 Known as Camp X, it was Canada's answer to the world of espionage, sabotage, covert communication

00:00:16.020 and special operations. Agents were trained there in everything from code-breaking and

00:00:21.260 intelligence gathering to survival behind enemy lines. Decades later, Camp X remains one of the

00:00:26.700 most fascinating and mysterious chapters in canadian history today we're joined by rob

00:00:31.800 cressman historian and expert on camp x to separate the fact from the fiction explore the

00:00:37.720 camp's lasting legacy and uncover the stories of the men and women who trained in secrecy

00:00:43.560 to help win a global war

00:00:45.720 all right well uh robbie thanks so much for joining us this is so cool for me yeah uh as

00:00:55.160 mentioned i kind of teed you up in the intro there but uh as i take a look at and thank you

00:01:00.520 very much for these uh here's just a sample of the books i think that we're going to get out of

00:01:05.720 the crestman camp uh this first one by the way very cool tracking the little giant killer this

00:01:12.060 is really a story that we're going to be talking about today in many ways we're going to hear this

00:01:16.760 name bill underwood and his legacy of combat uh training your updated version inspired by that

00:01:23.900 discreet fighting i'll recommend that you reach out and i'll put the link in the description for

00:01:28.380 these and what we're going to be talking about today of course is camp x a little bit about you

00:01:36.940 first of all robbie how do you end up uh the guy who knows all about this i mean i know what you do

00:01:43.740 for a living but are you even allowed to share that yes i am it's some of what i do has been

00:01:48.560 published and so i can to some degree but uh but definitely mike wrote what's really come about is

00:01:54.860 it's been an unintended path to discovery of discovery for me i started off in short as a

00:02:01.000 silly civilian which i still still am but i've been a supporter to the special and black ops

00:02:05.940 communities within our allied and countries five seven and nine eyes and beyond but essentially 0.86

00:02:11.920 as a civilian had a love for martial arts but i was always a patriotic guy and even back in the

00:02:18.080 80s and 90s it kind of bothered me with respect like why do i have to go to china japan korea

00:02:23.040 to learn how to fight i knew our canadian military history was exemplary so a question

00:02:27.600 came to me essentially well you know did our canadian boys have ever i want to learn some

00:02:31.600 canadian did our canadian guys ever create a canadian fighting system i want to at least

00:02:35.440 learn something western and so i started to do the research found nothing until i came across

00:02:40.080 the legacy of bill underwood when everything essentially opened up and in short i discovered

00:02:45.760 that Canada not only has a martial art, if you will,

00:02:49.460 although it's birthed in the military special operations perspective,

00:02:52.900 it's not civilian, okay, or wasn't birthed civilian,

00:02:55.920 but essentially we have a grandfather of fighting,

00:02:58.280 and it was so effective, man,

00:02:59.980 that it was actually classified after World War II.

00:03:02.600 That's why a lot of stuff was locked down.

00:03:04.380 Now, he was involved publicly after World War II,

00:03:06.340 but his real accomplishments were actually deemed to be illegal

00:03:09.580 to teach outside declared war because it was that vicious and violent.

00:03:12.600 So I ended up reviving Bill Underwood's legacy.

00:03:15.760 Okay, and his original combato systems, which were taught during the war.

00:03:19.940 Underwood, Bill Underwood, British-born Bill Underwood, emigrated to Canada,

00:03:23.360 created the first fighting system for a Canadian military called combato.

00:03:26.960 And then after the war, he started to get asked by law enforcement and government,

00:03:30.820 like, hey, Bill, you were teaching our soldiers how to use their hands and so forth.

00:03:35.100 Can you teach our police officers combato?

00:03:37.200 And Bill was like, no, I can't do that.

00:03:39.140 Combato is designed to kill everything that moved.

00:03:40.960 Well, Bill, can you modify it?

00:03:42.500 can you modify a fighting system to be a little more defensive and subject control oriented and

00:03:47.300 he developed the defendo system which essentially became the template for policing defensive tactics

00:03:52.500 not only in canada but many places in the states so i ended up basically being the individual that

00:03:57.140 revived bill underwood's legacy and there was not a single reference to him on the world wide web in

00:04:02.020 the 90s everything that's there today is because of the research i was doing okay and that essentially

00:04:06.900 opened doors as i started to research the fact that huh underwood these vets would talk about

00:04:11.300 but the fact that Underwood was a secret instructor at this super top classified training facility called Camp X.

00:04:18.020 Like James Bond was born. I'm like, what? Bond was born out of this camp in Canada.

00:04:21.920 And I ended up connecting with the world expert on Camp X who verified that, yes, we believe Underwood was involved.

00:04:28.240 And I then spent a connected 20 years in the Camp X legacy.

00:04:31.960 And when the classified community, let's just say it's a, you know, sometimes a horrible blanket term,

00:04:36.380 But the sensitive communities, as I was doing research, found out that I had a lot of the original stuff, let's say, from the tradecraft from the Camp X era.

00:04:45.140 I started to get asked, listen, would you show our intelligence agents today what we were doing at Camp X?

00:04:50.240 Will you show our soldiers?

00:04:51.640 Show our soldiers.

00:04:52.920 So they wanted you to go back to this legacy.

00:04:56.400 Yeah, it was so mysterious for them.

00:04:58.460 That's correct.

00:04:58.800 On Bill Underwood.

00:04:59.380 The whole Bill Underwood and Camp X legacy was so mysterious.

00:05:03.160 And so our modern agencies, you know, really didn't have any idea about they knew what was there, but didn't know what was going on, even up to the levels of our Joint Task Force 2 or JTF2, our SEAL Team 6.

00:05:13.960 They knew about CAMPEX, but didn't really know what was going on there.

00:05:17.060 And there's reasons I was hinting at it in an earlier discussion.

00:05:19.980 There's a reason we know why now I very much believe why.

00:05:23.040 And I've released this in this book, but we know why now they've kept that legacy suppressed.

00:05:28.200 But I was originally asked, starting back in the early 2000s, to say, listen, we'd love to see some of this, what was going on.

00:05:34.540 And so times change, though.

00:05:36.280 And in essence, as they asked me to problem-solve and giving them ways to fight with their hands, okay, that were really more applicable to special operations.

00:05:44.360 And not the ring for MMA, not sports.

00:05:47.020 Right.

00:05:47.340 This is a scenario where you're up close.

00:05:50.060 Absolutely.

00:05:50.400 Up close and personal.

00:05:51.640 There's been a change of temperature with your contact.

00:05:54.860 So show us what they were doing then.

00:05:56.560 Yeah.

00:05:56.860 you can't really fit that the old model over today's uh over today's environment so they said

00:06:02.300 listen robbie can you develop something and that was was for me which was birthed in the early 2000s

00:06:07.020 was i went about trying to develop a method that really taking taking the mindset and the the point

00:06:13.900 and purpose of what was going on at camp x and how to develop an application for it in a modern

00:06:18.380 environment and in essence i can wrap it up with one thing the difference between your standard

00:06:22.540 martial arts sports mixed martial arts kind of platform than what our guys and girls need today

00:06:27.660 at a special ops level a black ops level is this the world war ii context was essentially they had

00:06:33.580 to take a civilian it was a civilian okay okay let's say for example to train them as a spy

00:06:38.700 maybe they needed a forensic accountant to be dropped into an automotive factory in france

00:06:43.100 sneak him in there and he'll report back on what the nazis were we're doing with this factory now

00:06:47.820 Well, how do you take an accountant who, a horrible overstatement, or rather blanket statement, but who's got tape between his glasses and a calculator in his pocket all his life?

00:06:57.660 He's never fought.

00:06:58.460 How do you take an accountant, Mike, teach him how to be able to defend himself and win a bar fight?

00:07:02.760 And by the way, you've got hours to do it.

00:07:04.620 Welcome to Camp X.

00:07:05.900 And so I took that mindset of short duration, high retention training, developed a whole new method based on much more modern physiology.

00:07:12.300 And for 20 years, I've been out running around our allied special ops communities

00:07:16.980 within tier one special forces, within government intelligence agencies

00:07:20.360 and policing special operations units and teaching this new method.

00:07:25.020 Wow. Okay, let's go back to the original method.

00:07:28.080 And Bill Underwood's first, sorry, Underwood, did I say that right?

00:07:32.880 Bill Underwood, yeah.

00:07:33.260 Bill Underwood.

00:07:33.800 Let's go back to his original training and teachings,

00:07:38.300 which fascinated you so much in the first place.

00:07:40.660 Combato?

00:07:41.460 Combato.

00:07:41.860 that's correct combattle yeah so tell me about this what what made this unique at a time in world

00:07:47.480 war ii where spies needed to be trained was it the fast the ability to train them fast was it the

00:07:53.880 like what how was this born to be his thing well in essence i mean underwood's story is absolutely

00:08:00.300 a fascinating one i mean a childhood friend of harry houdini buffalo bill coady charlie chaplin

00:08:06.020 i mean again that's why i wrote a book on it it's insane the history is absolutely incredible

00:08:10.980 But in essence, Underwood was a part of a day,

00:08:13.300 and he was a leading, you know,

00:08:14.800 let's say on the leading edge of it in many ways.

00:08:17.300 He was really the first grandfather in North America.

00:08:20.320 He really gave the Americans much of their start

00:08:22.360 at the beginning of in-arm fighting

00:08:24.120 at the beginning of the war. 0.98

00:08:25.340 But it was an era when the East

00:08:26.740 was truly meeting the West for the first time.

00:08:28.920 So you had these judokas, jiu-jitsu, you know, masters

00:08:32.340 that were coming for the first time to British shores

00:08:35.020 or European shores, and they were kind of clashing.

00:08:37.540 and really in a very I guess really it's a very practical story in a way they really needed to

00:08:44.600 yes come up with an ability to give guys and it was really more the boys back then and then the

00:08:50.160 ladies in a lot of ways but give them a short duration high retention skill set you can't train

00:08:55.460 sports and even MMA type skills you can't learn that in a short time you can't learn how to 1.00

00:09:00.180 punch and kick in a short period of time you would assume yeah yeah you can't and I can tell

00:09:04.320 that that's what i do for a living and for a long time and internationally at that but that being

00:09:08.800 said essentially what underwood and some of the guys of his time were developing was a much more

00:09:13.520 linear direct and aggressive approach to jujitsu and judo so it was more biomechanical in nature

00:09:19.440 still uh by way of biomechanics but it was more direct it was linear and to the point

00:09:24.880 okay and so it could be learned and that's why sometimes it was called dirty judo okay

00:09:29.440 it came down to that but all right underwood really made it western and whereas in the east

00:09:33.680 they would turn it into much more of a philosophy and a way of life, what we call warrior culture.

00:09:38.960 Boys back in Underwood's day would just call it a trick. Hey, let me show you a trick. If somebody

00:09:42.720 grabs you here, let me show you how to contend with that. And that's a trick to deal with that.

00:09:46.640 So it kept it simple and linear. But what Underwood did was he even went further and was still trying

00:09:51.920 to figure out how he did it and what he did. But he developed a system of unarmed fighting. And this

00:09:58.240 is not you know i know what i'm talking about i've been tested under very high level physiology

00:10:03.920 experts uh to substantiate this is true he developed a system that was so unorthodox and

00:10:09.960 outside the box that it literally could an individual could break the spine and the neck

00:10:14.560 even with one hand okay and uh and again these principles where abs have absolutely even recently

00:10:21.280 been vetted by physiological experts that aggressive direct nerve flow termination which

00:10:27.220 what we really call it not breaking necks okay okay is possible uh within very precise technique

00:10:33.940 okay and underwood basically was training some of the most elite assassins for sir william stevenson

00:10:39.060 who was basically sir william stevenson the canadian was the real james bond i mean a whole

00:10:43.540 nother topic but and so he did so for the real james bond and trained some of the most elite

00:10:47.940 assassins to exist so much so that in 1960 the cia 20 years after the war brother the cia came

00:10:55.140 to the brits saying listen we're we're wanting to learn in 60 we're wanting to learn assassination

00:11:00.900 tradecraft and tactics we don't have it so cia didn't have it in the 60s and they went to the

00:11:06.180 brits and said listen where can we learn this and they said let's we'll get back to you they said

00:11:10.260 you need we went to the old boys network you need to talk to sir william stevenson you know the real

00:11:14.900 james bond but at a rockefeller center during world war ii he was running all that stuff and

00:11:19.540 And his link back was, look, there's the system.

00:11:23.260 Underwood has it.

00:11:24.020 Yeah, and Underwood worked directly with Stevenson during World War II.

00:11:27.060 So indirectly, but fairly directly,

00:11:30.800 this system made its way into standard practice in the CIA.

00:11:34.380 I wouldn't say there's connectivity, yes.

00:11:37.600 What I would say is, but again, times and things change.

00:11:40.660 We're influenced by culture.

00:11:41.820 There's a whole other discussion.

00:11:42.900 I get lectures on that stuff.

00:11:44.100 But the fact of the matter is, is that without a doubt,

00:11:46.780 The history of what I have developed has come from most definitely the birthing grounds of CIA, absolutely, no question about it, fall of 1947, okay, September of 47.

00:11:59.080 Every iteration precursor of CIA was trained to CAMPEX.

00:12:02.660 COI, okay, beginning in 1942, they became the OSS in the summer of 42, which was the wartime iteration of CIA, if we want to call it that.

00:12:11.140 And then September of 47, the agency was born after the war.

00:12:14.200 The first two and most influential, the two most influential directors of the CIA, Dulles, Colby, and Casey, the most foundational three were Camp X instructors.

00:12:25.740 Okay, let's talk about Camp X then.

00:12:27.460 Okay, so now Camp X is in a remote location, far removed from society.

00:12:35.020 At the time.

00:12:36.220 I guess it would have been actually.

00:12:37.680 But in modern day terms, really it's not that far away from where we are right now.

00:12:43.840 No, no, it's not.

00:12:44.920 No, in essence, Sir William Stevenson was commissioned by Churchill

00:12:48.740 to develop the most highly classified tourney facility

00:12:51.260 for spies, secret agents, and saboteurs in the world.

00:12:54.440 And it was built in Oshawa, on the borderline between Oshawa, okay, and Whitby.

00:12:59.980 And essentially, if you were to take, you know,

00:13:02.440 if you were to turn off Highway 2, okay,

00:13:06.160 right at the beginning on that line, okay,

00:13:08.760 it's right down on the lakeshore.

00:13:10.660 That is where Camp X was.

00:13:12.660 it's all industrial parkway now i was going to say i looked at the map and you can tell it it looks

00:13:17.380 like at one end of it that strip there was actually at one point maybe a landing strip oh there was

00:13:23.140 okay so you can still see that on the map where there's where the industrial layout is there are

00:13:28.340 some things left okay original buildings are all gone because industrial parkways gobbled that all

00:13:33.060 up and so forth and i would argue that from what we know of history now that was all purposeful to

00:13:37.860 kind of change it forget about it not reference it okay but the reality is yes my friend that was

00:13:43.380 the whole reason why they placed the camp there was because the topography over you know uh of

00:13:49.140 the acreage that it had about 275 276 acres during wartime it had every form of different

00:13:56.500 topography you can imagine oh in that area and that area it had field rivers streams okay and

00:14:01.700 stuff applicable bluffs exactly and it was far not far from oshawa airport it was not far from base

00:14:07.380 borden it was not far from toronto for training grounds and all that stuff so there was a good

00:14:11.700 10 to 12 reasons why camp x is placed exactly where it was and one of the main ones being

00:14:16.900 it wasn't on american shores because america wasn't in the war until pearl harbor at the end

00:14:21.620 of 41 right and so the americans couldn't be involved okay but all they had to do was jump

00:14:26.340 on a boat cross lake ontario and they're in spy land and and by the way at the time crossing lake

00:14:31.700 ontario wouldn't have been a problem not at night and they only ever did it over a very short time

00:14:37.300 because camp x literally opened for operational functioning the day before pearl harbor the next

00:14:42.820 day pearl harbor happened and uh so they were in the war and they're just at it you know what i

00:14:46.580 mean but right but the point is there's i could go into a whole treatment on why camp x was placed

00:14:51.780 where it was but the real james bond sir william stevenson who who brought that you know put that

00:14:56.820 place together he bought it with his own money bought it with his own cash he was a rich multi

00:15:00.340 multi-millionaire. That's the reason why Steve was a World War I spy, Canadian, but World War I

00:15:05.020 Churchill kept in touch with him, okay, and during between the wars, Stevens' story is incredible.

00:15:10.400 But the fact is, is that, yeah, it was born right here, the very birthplace of Central Intelligence

00:15:15.200 Agency, and they confess to that now. They absolutely confess their beginnings were Canadian,

00:15:19.380 okay, and the entire James Bond legacy is Canadian. Ian Fleming was at CapEx during World War II. He

00:15:26.020 was here i can tell you why and when and the fact is my friend he actually he wasn't there for it

00:15:31.240 but he was put on a spy course and according to tommy drewbrook who was they had a bsc in canada

00:15:35.860 under stevenson said that fleming was put on his spy course and actually failed to spy course

00:15:41.120 oh well i mean he was a good writer yeah exactly but it's funny because you look at me and you're

00:15:46.360 a media guy so you know yeah but you look at media today in a lot of ways i would argue they make out

00:15:50.680 the they make out fleming to be a little bigger than his britches back in the day i do think yeah

00:15:55.400 Yeah, I do think that that's true.

00:15:56.640 Just because of the bond connection.

00:15:57.520 Which is fine.

00:15:58.580 It's okay.

00:15:59.280 And I think now, you know, this is credibility.

00:16:02.040 I think he probably wished he had at the time to be able to say, you know,

00:16:05.340 this is inspired by the guy who started this.

00:16:08.380 Not by me, but by the guy who started this.

00:16:11.260 And you can see that.

00:16:12.180 As you mentioned this, now I hear the bondisms.

00:16:14.800 Yeah.

00:16:15.400 Independently wealthy.

00:16:16.300 Oh.

00:16:16.800 So, you know, the style, the fashion.

00:16:18.720 I can give you a snapshot on that.

00:16:20.140 When Ian Fleming was part of 30 AU, 30 Assault Unit, which was a British Naval Intelligence Unit,

00:16:25.840 I would argue precursor to Z Squadron for the Special Boat Service today.

00:16:29.120 That's my pick on that.

00:16:31.080 But the fact is, is that he came over here to learn some certain tradecraft that was being taught

00:16:35.620 in an amphibious role from Camp X into Lake Ontario.

00:16:39.760 Saw what was going on, thought this is really cool.

00:16:41.980 Asked to go down to the headquarters of Camp X, which was at the Rockefeller Center in New York,

00:16:47.320 okay, on the 35th and 36th floor.

00:16:49.020 This is what Fleming walked into.

00:16:51.020 Fleming comes with a super secret lair

00:16:52.680 with this international spy walking around 1.00

00:16:54.700 these beautiful girls all over the place. 1.00

00:16:56.640 Wow, these gorgeous women. 1.00

00:16:57.780 And drinking martinis all day long. 1.00

00:17:00.040 Wow.

00:17:00.480 I think we've heard the narrative. 0.72

00:17:01.960 That's completely accurate.

00:17:03.600 And by the way, the Bond girls were all Canadian.

00:17:06.040 They hired girls from Canada and the Toronto area,

00:17:09.040 okay, through newspaper adverts

00:17:11.940 from the BSC office on King Street.

00:17:14.240 And they brought them down because, again,

00:17:16.020 the U.S. couldn't be involved in the war.

00:17:18.000 So the original Bond girl is a Canadian.

00:17:20.540 Stevenson himself was Canadian.

00:17:22.360 And Fleming confessed to that.

00:17:23.920 Thomas Troy, longest-standing staff historian of CIA, yes.

00:17:27.380 Bond was freaking, without a doubt, the quiet Canadian Sir William Stevenson.

00:17:31.360 There's no doubt there.

00:17:32.500 But how many Canadians know this, man?

00:17:34.340 How many Canadians know that even if Canadians of Bond are all Canadians?

00:17:38.140 Before you and I met, by the way, this is not the first time,

00:17:41.320 and I mentioned this to you when we talked,

00:17:43.280 Camp X is, in the media world, quite a little bit of scuttlebutt.

00:17:47.640 But there's always been, as long as I can remember, over the last 15 years or so, there's little glimpses of, did you hear about this?

00:17:56.140 But when you mentioned to me the James Bond element to it, I was like, well, I mean, I don't know how every Canadian doesn't get right on this.

00:18:03.820 At Camp X, okay, so what would we have found at Camp X?

00:18:08.280 What would the actual facility have been like?

00:18:12.860 276 acres, essentially.

00:18:14.380 at the time, if you went to Thornton Road, which is now a road that doesn't even really exit from

00:18:20.220 Highway 2 anymore, the Kings Highway, it's blocked off by rail now. But if you went hooked to right,

00:18:26.340 going south on Thornton Road, you go down towards the lake and near the bottom, you take another

00:18:31.160 right onto Sinclair Farmstead Road. And up that road, okay, was essentially 13 buildings and an

00:18:36.960 old farmhouse, which by the way, is the same model of farmhouse that is still on the property today

00:18:42.740 with JTF-2 at their compound there.

00:18:44.760 It's just an interesting thing. 0.96

00:18:46.100 Interesting, yeah.

00:18:46.820 Interesting thing.

00:18:47.860 Just something from the time and the era.

00:18:49.660 But the point is that essentially 13 buildings.

00:18:53.940 There are rumors and lore.

00:18:55.660 There's a lot of underground tunnels there,

00:18:57.260 but that the buildings were all connected underground.

00:18:59.580 Absolutely not.

00:19:00.180 The buildings were not,

00:19:01.060 there was nobody there to watch anything.

00:19:02.640 They weren't, it was remote at the time.

00:19:04.700 You know, Scarborough was, you know,

00:19:06.460 back in World War II, Scarborough was the bush, man.

00:19:08.920 Let alone Oshawa, Pickering, Oshawa.

00:19:10.800 And in the North American perspective,

00:19:12.740 from an American perspective where Rockefeller is the,

00:19:16.620 or, you know, Washington, D.C.

00:19:19.160 is the center of the universe at that time,

00:19:22.160 Canada was the great wild north.

00:19:24.600 It was, yeah.

00:19:25.960 And you didn't have to go far across the border,

00:19:27.880 as you point out, to be in that scenario.

00:19:30.220 No, no.

00:19:30.960 And so many things we can spiderweb on, right?

00:19:34.660 Trying to be disciplined.

00:19:35.640 But the fact is, and the relationship was awesome back then

00:19:39.440 between the United States and Canada in so many ways,

00:19:41.800 and the patriots that existed within our own Canadian government

00:19:45.040 to keep, I'll start it today off politics,

00:19:48.140 but to keep what really needed to be done

00:19:50.640 from a Liberal Prime Minister at the time.

00:19:52.600 Mackenzie King would have shut down Camp X and R&B.

00:19:55.380 Much he would have done that.

00:19:57.140 And so that was all kept by Commissioner,

00:19:59.240 everything from George McClellan, head of RCMP,

00:20:02.080 General Constantine of the Canadian Forces,

00:20:04.260 and our Director of Ministry of War at the time,

00:20:11.600 if you will at the time they all work to keep these this functioning a secret and believe it

00:20:16.760 or not one a very key role was played by lester b pearson during this time he was canada's foreign

00:20:22.400 he was canada's top diplomat yeah and he actually uh it is alleged played some roles and it all

00:20:28.520 makes sense truly uh played some roles at assisting in the transfer of information and

00:20:33.440 certainly working and massaging the british american canadian relationship outside of the

00:20:38.240 PMO, the prime minister's office to make this happen. And, you know, I've been asked all the

00:20:42.860 time by even our current, our current boys and girls in our intelligence and special ops

00:20:47.680 communities, as I lectured to them and teach them. And I teach still and physically in that realm.

00:20:52.400 But when I am asked to lecture, they're like, how can we apply CAMPEX today? And my opinion is if

00:20:56.760 you want to understand the story of CAMPEX, you have to understand simply this in a sentence.

00:21:00.540 The reality is in a time when there were no constitutional solutions to the problem,

00:21:04.680 Good men and women stood up and did at risk what was necessary to bring about the solution.

00:21:10.580 And that's what happened at Campbex.

00:21:12.800 Here's a sideline question as we spider out, and I can't be disciplined like you.

00:21:17.920 Do you think that's lost from our relationships with the U.S.?

00:21:22.280 Do you think that that vibe of proceeding, even at the risk of offending the PMO's office or keeping it secret,

00:21:33.180 is there is that still a modern day possibility

00:21:37.860 man that's a good question and i sure as heck have a detailed answer but got to be careful

00:21:44.940 what i say of course as anybody does well right not anybody robbie in all fairness i can say

00:21:50.320 anything i want about national security and nobody's taking it seriously but i i would say

00:21:55.960 simply this a lesson i learned being in the ukraine i was over in the ukraine uh the sas

00:22:02.500 And this is my connections with the Special Air Service, Special Boat Service and British Intelligence and others have been published.

00:22:09.640 So I'll comment slightly on it.

00:22:11.380 But I was brought over, had the privilege of being over with SAS in the Ukraine as part of a training mission there and such.

00:22:17.440 And seeing boots on ground there and working with Ukrainian special ops guys and understanding from their perspective the truths and reality of what's happening, what the politics are going on.

00:22:28.240 probably to me one of the most interesting fundamental statements was once i got in the

00:22:31.960 trust tree with some of the boys i had a comment made to me one time saying you know something we

00:22:37.040 really know there's something wrong in the west when the west everywhere is making you know

00:22:42.300 zelinski the president uh look like a combination of luke skywalker captain kirk and the second

00:22:48.540 coming of christ right when we all know he is the most corrupt politician in our modern history

00:22:53.700 so i use that to simply say this the reality is is there are multiple levels of reality okay that

00:23:02.800 seem to be going on there's and it's hard to really know unless you excuse me have boots on

00:23:06.880 ground that are there that you can get information from yeah but the narrative that we are being are

00:23:11.520 being told or being spun of this constant boom boom boom boom boom boom there's more to the

00:23:16.200 story than that and i would say if there's one truth and this is what i'll say and i'll leave

00:23:20.060 it at this there i do very firmly believe see evidence of myself and have been definitely told

00:23:25.800 there has been a war going on for decades inside our western governments of black hats and white

00:23:30.820 hats there's been good guys and there's been bad guys our western governments have absolutely been

00:23:35.720 infiltrated they have been infiltrated by globalist entities okay and there has been a war for decades

00:23:42.260 arguably since 9-11 of good guys and girls that are nationalist and trying to keep our identities

00:23:48.180 and our nation's control and power versus a globalist influenced and i would say that that

00:23:54.160 that war exists in every country and it exists here and i would say that that do you know the

00:24:00.660 narrative that we're spun by just simply seeing from ottawa bickering to you know the u.s and

00:24:06.080 what's going on is absolutely not excuse me an accurate depiction okay of what we're really

00:24:11.980 dealing it does seem like that's the case you don't really have to put a tinfoil hat on to

00:24:15.540 start to make some of these connections i think now what do you think okay sorry now i'm spinning

00:24:19.880 us off robbie you stop me anytime okay what do you think some of the indicators are that the

00:24:25.020 globe like there is this battle between white and black and dark and uh you know evil and good

00:24:33.960 what where do we see this most often which by the way in answer to my original question i already

00:24:40.440 hear the answer which is it's not a possibility when you've been infiltrated to be able to

00:24:45.200 actually execute these kinds of things not with with a patriotic freedom not with complete freedom

00:24:51.880 hence why there's a war all right where there's a war going on and i would simply say this i would

00:24:57.620 simply say that when we didn't this is my opinion and i'll i'll stand by my opinion on and off the

00:25:02.680 mat and in the parking lot but the fact of the matter is is that this is a reason why a lot of

00:25:08.040 folks would look at the at the trump administration and say oh what they're doing doesn't make sense

00:25:12.080 what they're doing doesn't then this and then this doesn't make sense what they fail to recognize

00:25:15.480 and i've seen this in an international from an international perspective what we're dealing with

00:25:20.140 here right now is we're dealing with basically a house a global house if you want to look at it

00:25:24.460 that way that has been infested in through its very beams with termites we're dealing with

00:25:29.960 microsurgery in some cases so there's a lot of 10d chess games that are being played to be able

00:25:36.440 to extract evil and yet not have the whole house of cards fall down and sometimes you've got to

00:25:42.300 take wins and losses give away a little bit or do some things massive psychological operations

00:25:47.760 games i've had a career uh understanding and learning and understanding psyops okay in

00:25:52.980 psychological operations you ever want to talk about that stuff you know i certainly can can

00:25:56.580 share the applications of special operations type psyops to what we see in the general public and

00:26:01.860 there's a lot of people that are talking about that but the fact is is that there's a reason

00:26:05.300 why things don't aren't linear is because or don't seem to be linear and directly connected

00:26:09.540 uh is because they don't understand the complexities of what they're contending with

00:26:13.280 because below that there's a termite in this leg over here and i've got to get under to get that

00:26:18.240 and by the way the termite to termite detects that the whole thing comes down and in order for

00:26:22.460 me to get that i've got to get because i don't rule everything right now i've got to get permission

00:26:26.860 from that entity to be released to be able to get that and darn it all the heck if they say no

00:26:31.760 we've got to stop now so sometimes it's it's it's dealing a bit of cards to try to get but it's an

00:26:37.040 overall push it's an overall war to get that done and this is where again i guess from this

00:26:41.880 perspective i'm adamant and and uh i have a little lesser patience as i'm getting getting older

00:26:46.620 where people ah it's conspiracy that's you know dude i've lived in this these communities for 20

00:26:51.140 years internationally okay i know what i'm talking about and this stuff is absolutely real and i would

00:26:57.300 say that if you think as a you know i i was really kind of educated in one sense i should say i got a

00:27:02.740 nice slap in the face one time when someone spewed out to me the idea of yeah well we have a right to

00:27:07.720 know everything you know what no you don't no you no you don't because you don't know what to do

00:27:12.240 with classified information the general public proves all the time that when there's i do believe

00:27:17.400 in sensitive communities and classified information and information that needs to be controlled as long

00:27:21.580 as there's good people at the top and that's what we're battling for because people have proven they

00:27:25.520 don't know what to do with good information and and they're going to jeopardize lives right away

00:27:29.160 they start beaking their their mouths off about stuff and that puts people and people operators

00:27:33.560 and operations in jeopardy and in little in entire missions and so so the point is yes there's trust

00:27:39.520 there but i would say simply that a lot of the confusion is because we're dealing with a lot of

00:27:44.520 microsurgery a lot of game playing but i believe the good guys are winning that war exists here

00:27:49.760 it it is here my friend it does exist here i'm not a super fan of what's going on in ottawa i'm

00:27:55.480 I'm an absolute nationalist patriot, always have been.

00:27:58.960 It's why I got into this, to preserve our fighting legacy in Underwood,

00:28:02.080 our history in Camp X.

00:28:03.740 But I would say don't lose hope.

00:28:05.420 We've got some good men and women out there that are fighting.

00:28:07.520 I love the patriotism in this.

00:28:09.080 By the way, the book again, Camp X, Ghost War.

00:28:12.160 You'll find it under Cressman, and I'll make sure the links are there.

00:28:15.440 But what I think I like the most, and I told you earlier before we did this,

00:28:20.480 I made an observation when I was doing my research for this,

00:28:24.040 And one of them was, I'm fascinated, and in a few minutes,

00:28:26.540 we're going to go down the, we're going to take on a little tour of Camp X

00:28:29.800 in our minds.

00:28:30.840 But what I noticed, and I love this,

00:28:33.380 is that there is a patriotic effort going on in each of these books.

00:28:36.700 One of them, to preserve where our history in combat

00:28:40.900 and hand-to-hand combat comes from.

00:28:42.960 Another one, where it happened.

00:28:44.800 And then this one, I think, where you update it,

00:28:47.780 the program that you take to the allied nations

00:28:50.940 is a real tribute to both of these.

00:28:54.040 to update it, to say, okay, look, here's what we had,

00:28:57.560 here's what I teach now, it's based in this,

00:28:59.600 is a very patriotic thing.

00:29:01.560 My observation was this.

00:29:04.420 Rob, in all of this, is way down the ladder in your priorities,

00:29:10.200 which is very interesting.

00:29:12.140 Your priorities include teaching, instructing, informing, sharing.

00:29:20.220 Not what you expect from the guy who's training spies

00:29:22.380 to pull the spine out of your back.

00:29:24.040 but that's that's got to be sort of an in that's an interesting uh i would imagine emotional

00:29:30.900 dichotomy to kind of sit with look i'm going to share all of this by the way i'm also going to

00:29:36.240 teach these people over here if they need to kill somebody sure you know it's to me i just found

00:29:41.940 that you're you had zero ego in all of this the information the teaching and the application is

00:29:48.580 more important to you well i i appreciate that um uh i i think i can give you a a pretty direct

00:29:56.320 answer as to kind of my mindset over the whole experience of what i've been through has been

00:30:01.620 simply i think a couple of things a couple um some people feel the weight of history mike and

00:30:08.060 some don't you know some people will look at something historical and even an artifact or

00:30:12.040 something and it's like my gosh man it just has such weight that thing was there when if it could

00:30:16.160 tell stories and i feel like our grandfathers and some are watching right now others you know

00:30:20.820 others don't they just don't feel that weight of history i have always extremely felt the weight

00:30:25.160 of history and in in my life and felt that especially the legacies of the phenomenal

00:30:30.320 canadian legacies that we have i got kind of tired growing up watching blockbuster movies

00:30:34.560 uh you know and seeing really no canadian representation i got tired of as a kid i really

00:30:40.440 you know seeing superheroes none of them canadian oh yeah but wolverine you know was canadian yeah

00:30:45.780 but that's just a footnote dude there's nothing really about wolverine that particular you know

00:30:50.100 character that's that's really canadian and i tried even at the age of eight years old man i

00:30:54.580 tried to give it a good college go to get into captain canuck you know stan richard comley's

00:30:59.460 well done well i tried to give her a go and you know i just couldn't get into it i met with stan

00:31:03.540 years later i had a talk with him saying why why didn't he learn combato why didn't he was canadian

00:31:07.860 why wasn't he at camp that's a great point yeah and he's and he was great guy i really

00:31:11.380 He probably was like, where were you?

00:31:13.060 I didn't know this.

00:31:13.880 He was like, why weren't you here, you know?

00:31:15.820 So, but from all of those things,

00:31:17.540 so most certainly the weight of those things

00:31:20.020 has been very, very important to me.

00:31:21.480 I'm also a born again Christian, okay?

00:31:23.240 And without a doubt, I love Jesus Christ with all my heart.

00:31:26.800 And I do believe that there has always been

00:31:28.560 a spiritual call on Canada.

00:31:30.560 There's prophetic words on this nation

00:31:32.100 that have been given, okay?

00:31:33.860 And I believe that there is spiritual purpose

00:31:35.900 even in this end times, I believe that we live in to that.

00:31:38.860 I'll just leave that there.

00:31:39.620 so there and that to me is guides my life more than i i hope my personal ego uh i just feel

00:31:46.420 super blessed that as i write in the discreet fighting book for me a day i felt i finished a

00:31:51.800 i crossed a finish line if you will um i had i was a big fan of the british sas from the very

00:31:58.520 first engagement they had known the princess gates uh you know in 1980 counterterrorism deal

00:32:03.960 and i remember as a kid reading a newspaper article on it in 82 let's say a couple years

00:32:08.140 later i had the flaming dagger on my public school door and i remember like i was just passionate

00:32:12.960 about it and so forth and i always wanted to do you know to train and such the day that i walked

00:32:17.800 through hereford gates as an instructor to the regiment okay and then the day that i was leaving

00:32:23.480 camp and this is in the book so i'll say it but one of my instructors say robbie you walked out

00:32:27.840 to talk with some of the boys and i was talking with some of the brass and they were talking about

00:32:32.720 your contributions and they were putting you in the same conversations with bill underwood with

00:32:37.660 with william fairman dude i was fighting tears i mean that i i'd accomplished to to be a part of a

00:32:43.700 solution to be part of a team to help to train you know it's not about any individual it's about

00:32:48.580 being a part being recognized as part of the fight as as a level of elite people to to train

00:32:55.040 our men and women up to defend our freedom to defend our nation that to me has meant more than

00:32:59.500 than anything than some fight of who's the goat and whatever you know what i mean kind of a thing

00:33:04.040 right and so so my heart is really tied up in those things uh probably have never said this

00:33:08.020 in a podcast i appreciate you thank you uh camp x yeah okay so what are some of the cool things

00:33:14.880 that would be taught as a spy there well camp x the the great the really cool thing about camp x

00:33:20.140 is again i'm very careful to qualify as much as i can anything i say right off the top camp x what

00:33:25.300 was so special about it it was a super spy school so any of the soe schools that existed it was a

00:33:31.120 Special Operations Executive School, all the schools in the UK that existed, okay, they might

00:33:36.440 have taught anywhere from two, three to five courses. Camp X was a super school, man. There

00:33:41.300 was 52 courses that were taught, okay? And when they were standing up the American capability

00:33:47.160 beginning in the summer of 42, they took the Camp X courses, they took even the instructors and

00:33:53.200 started sending them to the states to rebuild and to start to build rather than to teach the

00:33:57.280 american capability so they were you know they were teaching all kinds of let's say secret agent

00:34:01.920 tradecraft that you know one would need everything from survival skills i mean everything you know

00:34:06.680 the the macgyver thing we grew up with right you know how do we take a freaking you know a match

00:34:11.160 stick and a stick of gum and blow up an apartment building you know kind of a thing right so a slight

00:34:15.180 exaggeration by the way i did a little thing with uh richard dean uh anderson did you really and uh

00:34:20.380 he told me he told me he couldn't get a lighter to work yeah yeah there you go yeah macgyver was

00:34:25.360 yeah there you go but survival tradecraft you know from the tradecraft that is used to again

00:34:31.940 disrupt most of the times agents were disruptors they would blow up railway tracks they would do

00:34:36.240 all these things okay they had to learn survival tradecraft they had to you to learn how to know

00:34:40.880 they defend themselves obviously potentially to kill some targets if they needed to but i would

00:34:46.180 argue what needs to be understand understood is that assassins weren't trained specifically with

00:34:50.980 assassination tradecraft at camp becks uh and nor or standard agents done that there are special

00:34:57.180 boys and girls for that got their full dedication that was under bsc that's when underwood trained

00:35:02.800 under stevenson and so forth and but every type of infill x fill type of skill and tradecraft um

00:35:09.380 you know we're certainly talking to psychological operations how to read the body how to be able to

00:35:13.060 read a conversation how to you know and so everything really we see in modern movies

00:35:17.000 that, you know, the spy tradecraft, it was started there.

00:35:20.300 I mean, the whole, you know, a shoe cell phone

00:35:25.480 that existed in Maxwell Smart in the 60s,

00:35:27.820 guess where that started?

00:35:28.680 Station M at Camp X.

00:35:30.000 What was it, like a radio?

00:35:31.800 Well, they didn't actually have, like, cell shoe phones,

00:35:34.860 but they had special gadgets that they would use.

00:35:36.580 Gadgets.

00:35:37.000 They had special gadgets.

00:35:37.820 I love gadgets.

00:35:38.400 Yeah, so the Cold War stuff,

00:35:39.660 and we got a lot of that with Maxwell Smart.

00:35:41.340 Dude, that started at Station M in Canada.

00:35:43.840 Okay, for example, with MI6, you know,

00:35:46.700 when we think of queue section when they're developing those things station m did that in

00:35:50.620 canada which was under casa loma it was in the basement of casa loma as far as where that was

00:35:54.440 done so they had all kinds of cool you know trade craft and things that had to be learned to be

00:35:59.200 trained in a short period of time try to get as much into them as possible and get them out the

00:36:03.260 door and that's uh you know so there was lecture halls there for sure there was uh all kinds of

00:36:08.680 supportive you know workshops and uh things to make and develop devices and all those kinds of

00:36:14.220 things a big thing with camp x was hydra we had and this would be a beef that i'm airing it just

00:36:19.580 comes out of me but you know we have a we have and it was a good movie you know imitation game

00:36:23.400 2014 benedict cumberbatch okay great movie that talked about the the plight of a british

00:36:29.080 intelligence at a bletchley park to crack the german enigma code and they did do it and alan

00:36:33.880 turing his machine etc well buddy why is it that no one talks about the fact that they do a

00:36:39.520 blockbuster movie on that canada had a a secret coding machine that was twice the capability of

00:36:47.120 what the germans or anybody had called rock x developed by canadian pat bailey at camp x just

00:36:52.700 over in oshawa was never cracked we don't hear anything about wow twice the capability and was

00:36:58.520 never why don't we hear about it do you think well i i believe there's a a couple of practical

00:37:03.360 reasons and one very specific reason one being that the personality of canadians for many many

00:37:09.360 years of course has been a little brother to the u.s we we're we don't generally tout our own i

00:37:14.200 think it's a fault with us i think we should be more vocal about our accomplishments we certainly

00:37:18.480 feel bitter that we're not more vocal about it like we often are like you know i mean look at

00:37:23.280 the arrow look at you know there's all kinds of programs there's a couple there are a couple of

00:37:26.640 right 100 but it's in the character it has been in the character of canadians to not really boast

00:37:32.560 so much and when you're beside the big bad american winning machine next door especially

00:37:36.800 with the hollywood media what's going to get the you know and i will say without naming it per se

00:37:41.760 there was a fairly sizable documentary done on camp x from a well-known american entity

00:37:48.600 and when we looked at the uh and they came up here filmed and my mentor was a part of it i was

00:37:53.060 there for some of it but the point is is that in the end the output of it was you would swear that

00:37:59.440 it was on canadian soil but canada had nothing to do with it they made it about american and

00:38:02.900 British contributions. And we complained about it to find out. They said, yeah, but the only reason

00:38:07.100 we got the contract was because the output had to go to DVD to be sold. Right. And no one's going

00:38:11.800 to buy a DVD about Canadians. Yeah. I'm sorry, but I've been in the business a long time. Well,

00:38:15.940 you would know, right. You would know. Canada is not a headliner. Right. We are not headliners.

00:38:20.320 That's that is 100 percent. And so we are the quiet professionals. And what I would say is,

00:38:25.800 is that and I released this in this book, I do believe there's a very poignant or pointed reason

00:38:31.620 why even our modern communities don't understand as much about Camp X,

00:38:36.440 which is something that my mentor, Lynn Phillip Hodgson, asked me.

00:38:41.040 I said, listen, you need to start to educate on this when I'm gone,

00:38:44.260 after I've passed, because it was dangerous for him at the time.

00:38:48.180 But one of the reasons why Camp X in Canada has always been super, super quiet

00:38:51.780 is that we had confession directly from CIA and from former RCMP intelligence

00:38:57.640 that there was a connection between Camp X and the Kennedy assassination.

00:39:00.960 during the Cold War in 1963.

00:39:03.080 What was that connection?

00:39:04.200 The connection was alleged to be sure,

00:39:06.760 but with more circumstantial evidence behind it.

00:39:09.120 I'm firmly convinced that the evidence is true.

00:39:12.700 Is that actually Lee Oswald was at Camp X for a week

00:39:17.300 from November 15th to November 20th, okay?

00:39:22.200 At Camp X for a week in the underground installations

00:39:26.820 that they had there undergoing MKUltra,

00:39:29.060 trauma-based mind control, okay?

00:39:30.960 and psychic driving and you know the mk ultra type you know programming type mental uh programs that

00:39:37.520 have been had so they would have been programming him yeah as a patsy and he was a patsy and they

00:39:42.480 were programming him and he left the camp only 24 hours before the shots were fired in dallas and

00:39:48.080 uh you know so they really they in your opinion yeah they put this out there they put this guy

00:39:55.440 out there fresh out of camp backs twisted and ready to use it well listen the the more probably

00:40:03.060 more of a an articulate way to put it is mk ultra or trauma-based mind control was open source and

00:40:09.720 being used even against civilians in the open media was known at a mcgill university you know

00:40:15.580 in cameron dr cameron at a mcgill university it was there were black and white documentaries in

00:40:20.260 the 70s about how they were doing this stuff and traumatizing civilians that's known well the

00:40:25.500 reality is camp x would have been a small substation to use off american territory to prep him as a

00:40:31.960 patsy to then drop him in which is the same mode of operation okay with sirhan sirhan and bobby

00:40:37.960 kennedy's assassination in 68 at the ambassador hotel same byproducts same situation same

00:40:43.160 programming exactly dropped in to the job well be a part of the job to be to blame would they know

00:40:49.880 do you think that they would know that they were going to be the patsies or would they have been

00:40:52.860 pumped with a different assignment that they thought they were i would doubt that they would

00:40:56.880 let them know that that would be the case i i would doubt that personally uh but i would simply say

00:41:02.640 that camp x was absolutely old homework old home week for the cia george white was the head of the

00:41:09.500 mk alta program he was a graduate from camp x okay alan dulles the head of cia during that period

00:41:16.180 was from Camp X.

00:41:17.920 Okay, J. Edgar Hoover,

00:41:18.900 who was alleged to

00:41:19.660 was the one that escorted,

00:41:21.280 okay, escorted him to the camp,

00:41:25.060 Oswald to the camp.

00:41:26.120 He was an old Camp X alumni.

00:41:28.060 You know, that was a...

00:41:28.860 If we had the time,

00:41:29.740 I could fill you in

00:41:30.600 in so much more history.

00:41:31.860 But so the point of the matter is,

00:41:33.480 and I will always say this,

00:41:35.320 my point and purpose

00:41:36.460 for addressing or bringing up

00:41:38.260 is just in answering a question.

00:41:40.000 I am not...

00:41:40.700 I've had some people say,

00:41:41.600 Robbie, oh my gosh,

00:41:42.500 are you sure you're safe

00:41:43.320 in mentioning this?

00:41:43.980 I was going to ask you that.

00:41:45.000 Yes, I do believe I am, because the point of the matter is, there's been, listen, there's been more books written on the Kennedy assassination than any other, you know, topic other than the Bible in Western culture, you know, and the reality is there's been far bigger fish to fry since then.

00:41:59.380 I am, I have never pursued nor remotely interested.

00:42:02.420 Robbie, you should keep, no, I'm done.

00:42:04.040 I have, I took what I was, learned and experienced from a mentor.

00:42:07.760 People want to know about true Camp X history.

00:42:09.840 I believe there was a connection, okay, between those two.

00:42:12.660 and it explains why we don't know much about modern history that's it i've gotten nothing

00:42:17.060 else to say you know that's the history that's what we believe i have no interest whatsoever

00:42:21.140 in pursuing it trying to you know we're not trying to offer photographs and testimony to try to no

00:42:25.940 whatever you know that's not as frankly i don't find kennedy all that interesting anymore it's

00:42:30.180 almost uh it's almost it's a bit of a bookend it's a bit of a book i understand really just

00:42:34.980 the understanding camp ex just just to give you a perspective on what the purpose what the application

00:42:39.940 Looking back now, that's a question that I get asked.

00:42:42.380 Just one of many impressive names, right?

00:42:45.160 Exactly.

00:42:45.620 It's one of, it just shows the important role that, you know,

00:42:49.340 and, you know, that Camp X played.

00:42:51.200 And, you know, and another piece as well,

00:42:53.080 the entire Cold War arguably started at Camp X.

00:42:56.560 The entire Cold War.

00:42:57.540 That was kind of my end direction on this.

00:42:59.660 Well, let me explain why.

00:43:00.800 Because in 1945, Igor Gazenko was a Russian cipher clerk in Ottawa

00:43:04.800 at the Russian embassy.

00:43:06.100 Okay.

00:43:06.580 The Igor Gazenko affair.

00:43:07.720 Yeah.

00:43:07.860 he decided to defect came to a canadian there's a long story too which is fascinating i won't give

00:43:13.440 you that one he showed up at a canadian government facility saying i'm a russian spy admitted it i

00:43:19.300 have documents proof of a major infestation of russian spies inside the canadian government

00:43:26.420 i want to defect with my wife okay i'm willing to give all of this to you okay they took and

00:43:32.160 They hid him at Camp X.

00:43:33.760 They brought Stevenson back.

00:43:35.060 Because that's part of the story.

00:43:36.320 And that started the Cold War.

00:43:37.140 If you read about that, it says they put him into hiding for a period of time.

00:43:41.860 Camp X was the location.

00:43:43.000 He was there for the first two years.

00:43:44.920 Okay.

00:43:45.680 Now, the reality is, is that that's where the Camp X.

00:43:48.880 So, again, again, for frick's sakes, we've got the entire Cold War starting in Oshawa, too.

00:43:52.840 Like, what the heck, man? 0.87

00:43:54.060 You know, like, you can't make this stuff up. 0.87

00:43:56.020 You know what I mean?

00:43:56.240 It's interesting to me that we don't make a point of pride of camp.

00:43:59.500 Like, hashtag proud of Camp X.

00:44:02.760 Well, listen, would you allow me to make it

00:44:05.060 to be the only political comment that I make

00:44:06.540 if you allow me to make one?

00:44:07.760 Please, go ahead.

00:44:09.080 Am I okay?

00:44:09.680 Well, I will just say this. 0.95

00:44:10.920 Why is it, if we recognize these things as Canadians

00:44:14.080 and look at our history and look where we're at, 0.82

00:44:16.080 why is it that Polyev refuses to get a security clearance

00:44:20.600 that would allow him to confess what we know

00:44:23.840 is massive foreign interference in our current government

00:44:26.320 when it's, oh, that's a conflict of interest? 0.87

00:44:28.340 Bullcrap.

00:44:28.780 I work with international lawyers, no international lawyers. 0.91

00:44:31.440 Okay, it's called precedence.

00:44:33.400 There's absolutely every reason.

00:44:34.700 It's a far bigger precedence to disclose potential crime at that level,

00:44:40.120 yet he won't get it, yet we're dealing with the same issue.

00:44:42.840 Oh, no, ignore it, ignore it.

00:44:43.980 No one will talk about it.

00:44:44.780 No one won't answer to it.

00:44:46.040 Yet the whole Cold War was started over the very same issue,

00:44:49.060 foreign interference.

00:44:50.800 Where's the problem here? 0.99

00:44:52.420 Where's the issue here?

00:44:53.800 There's something else afoot.

00:44:55.320 So all I'll say is, all I'll say is, and I leave it there.

00:44:58.180 I'm not wanting to get in a soapbox with that.

00:45:00.120 All I'm saying is, I am big.

00:45:02.140 You ask the question.

00:45:03.540 I'm just asking the questions, man.

00:45:05.260 And I think it's important for Canadians to look at our history,

00:45:08.720 to understand the greatness of our genetics,

00:45:10.800 to understand our grandparents did phenomenal things,

00:45:13.260 and we are respected within the special operations world.

00:45:16.000 Listen, our JTF2 guys are top of the stack, okay?

00:45:19.820 They are respected as some of the most,

00:45:21.860 the modern definition of an elite soldier is Canada's JTF2,

00:45:25.080 Not SEAL Team 6, not Delta.

00:45:27.560 You know, they all have their own accolades in different positions.

00:45:30.860 But, man, Canada has first, even in a modern environment,

00:45:33.860 so many things and we'll never hear about it.

00:45:35.580 And that's okay.

00:45:36.660 But Canadians should be encouraged. 0.70

00:45:39.020 We've got phenomenal genetics.

00:45:40.820 Ask questions.

00:45:41.820 Stand up.

00:45:42.380 Know your history.

00:45:43.660 Understand where we come from.

00:45:45.020 Because you know what?

00:45:45.980 This nation has been nothing but a blessing under God.

00:45:48.820 You made my Father's Day.

00:45:50.260 I'm going to make sure that each of my kids gives me one of these.

00:45:52.960 And I'll encourage you to get them as well.

00:45:55.080 Rob Cressman's book, Camp X, Ghost War, Can't Kill a Shadow.

00:46:00.340 I like it.

00:46:02.060 And I'll go back in time to the beginning.

00:46:05.040 And, of course, the Bill Underwood legacy tracking the little giant killer

00:46:09.940 and the modern-day updated version of it.

00:46:14.380 Rob Cressman's discreet fighting, how he handles his business out there now

00:46:18.740 with the NATO affiliates that we deal with and our allies.

00:46:23.040 I really appreciated this.

00:46:24.240 You'll get the link to all of the books right there in the description.

00:46:29.000 And, oh, Rob, we're not done with you.

00:46:31.700 I think I see future episodes, if you don't mind.

00:46:33.820 I'd love to come back.

00:46:34.600 I'd love to come back and chat.

00:46:35.580 Thank you so much, my man.

00:46:37.100 Congratulations on all three of the books.

00:46:39.620 And, you know, help keep this legacy alive.

00:46:42.200 Share this episode.

00:46:43.620 Tell a friend about it.

00:46:44.860 And we'll be happy to join you again right here on tplmedia.ca, tplmedia.ca slash local.

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True Patriot Love - June 29, 2026

Camp X： Canada’s Secret Spy School & The Real James Bond ｜ ft. Robbie Cressman

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