True Patriot Love - May 12, 2026


Can UK Politics Survive the Reform Surge？ ft. Steve Swift

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Join Mike and Mike as they discuss the results of municipal elections in the UK and Canada, and the implications for the future of two-party politics in Britain and Canada. Plus, a look at the impact of the Greens and Reform victories in local elections across the country.

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00:00:00 it is a real break and i think people are saying well you know labor and tories will come back in
00:00:09 the next couple of years but i don't think they will i think they've got a three-year cycle for
00:00:14 for councillors and i think in those local municipal elections i think that
00:00:20 the greens and reform will continue that sweep
00:00:22 hi thanks for joining us i'm mike this is tplmedia.ca don't forget to subscribe and tell
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00:00:37 lot of ideas for shows and what we should be talking about uh specifically from the things
00:00:43 you're saying so uh please participate in that we are joined uh now in the uk live from our
00:00:50 london studios our lead correspondent steve swift joins us steve thanks so much for being with us
00:00:55 thank you very much it's um there's a lot to talk about in politics in britain so i'm delighted
00:01:01 to be here pip tally ho and all of that ah well done oh pretty good eh so uh yeah as we uh cross
00:01:10 the pond uh we like to do this uh we kind of do it monthly now and i appreciate uh steve for doing
00:01:15 this but essentially we we have certain commonalities and uh it's interesting to keep an
00:01:21 eye on each other of course uh steve the last time we talked to you we're on the doorstep
00:01:26 in uh in the uk of the what we would call here in canada municipal elections and now they have
00:01:33 occurred and uh you know i it's very interesting there's been pushback on uh the some of the major
00:01:41 parties there's been certainly some upheaval and i would imagine if i was keir starmer i'd be a
00:01:46 little bit worried about my future in england uh to say the very least but i'm going to hand it off
00:01:51 to you steve if you don't mind to kind of set the stage of where we were and where the elections
00:01:56 landed us yeah i mean um this was last thursday um so thursday into friday a third of municipal
00:02:06 or council elections or councillors were up and it was a terrible night for both Labour
00:02:15 and the Conservatives so two-party politics may well be over in the next three years
00:02:25 as far as municipal elections go now you know elections to Westminster and Parliament
00:02:31 are very very different so let's not get too excited but it was good for two smaller parties
00:02:38 so it was good for a party on the left the greens and it was good for a party on the acceptable
00:02:45 right reform yeah it's interesting because in the england councils of course reform just
00:02:52 pulled away a hundred and what was it 1454 votes i think was the final tally there
00:02:58 The Labour Party coming in at 1,068.
00:03:02 So very interesting, of course.
00:03:06 And then the Conservatives and the Green Party, even in the England councils,
00:03:12 were very, very close to one another.
00:03:14 And as you point out, you've had a two-party system at the parliamentary end for some time.
00:03:19 But this looks like there might be some cracks in that granite.
00:03:24 And is that the indicator that you think the England councillors are sending to the top?
00:03:32 Yeah, I mean, people think that generally they're not being listened to.
00:03:37 I think it's probably too simplistic to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.
00:03:42 Outside of the big cities, you're looking at reform.
00:03:46 And in the big cities, you're looking at green or a combination of no overall control
00:03:52 because you've got lots of different parties.
00:03:54 but this is a big moment um reform was saying before the votes were counted around 10 o'clock
00:04:03 on the when polls had closed 1500 seats would be good for them um a few hundred councillors and i
00:04:10 said 1500 you're joking aren't you well as you say they almost got there um greens did extremely well
00:04:17 in my local area Manchester um extremely well so it is a real break and I think people are saying
00:04:29 well you know Labour and Tories will come back in the next couple of years but I don't think they
00:04:36 will I think we've got a three-year cycle for for councillors and I think in those local municipal
00:04:41 elections. I think that the Greens and reform will continue that sweep, particularly the Greens.
00:04:51 I would imagine that has a lot to do with what they do in their three-year terms, right? So
00:04:54 if a lot turns around quickly in those municipalities and in those councils,
00:05:00 then I guess they'll keep a position. But it is nice to think that there would be a change that
00:05:06 takes hold for some period of time anyway. I mean, it doesn't matter where you live in the world,
00:05:10 you'd like a government to hold responsibility for a period of time to get something done.
00:05:15 What do you think brought the Greens and the Reform Party to the top so in such a volume?
00:05:23 I think just not listening to people.
00:05:27 I mean, Keir Starmer is a big, our prime minister, is a big feature of that.
00:05:32 People don't feel they trust him.
00:05:34 They feel he's trotting out the same lines.
00:05:37 We need to go further, faster.
00:05:39 i will not walk away i take responsibility he's done that in a big make or break speech this
00:05:45 evening more of that in a minute but generally people don't feel listened to um and so parties
00:05:52 that are outliers so the greens haven't had that many councillors in britain a few reform have done
00:06:02 better in municipal elections in this country but generally they are outliers so why don't we try
00:06:09 them what harm could they do it's interesting you talk about they've got an a year two years three
00:06:16 years particularly with reform because they've taken control of some councils so that is going
00:06:24 to be very interesting particularly i think they've gone an electric electoral cycle too early
00:06:30 and i don't think they have that kind of experience and we're gonna right we're gonna see how that
00:06:35 plays out because in a year maybe two years people might say well they've taken over they've done
00:06:42 nothing or they've done a really bad job of it of course they might be superb but we don't have a
00:06:47 lot of patience as voters we don't have a huge amount of pay sorry and we'll get you right we
00:06:52 don't have a huge amount of patience but three years nothing gets done ah you're you know i've
00:06:56 got to find it's human nature but you know the patient voter might actually see results in their
00:07:02 communities if if they start to show as you point out you know this might have been too much too
00:07:09 fast uh but let's hope that they have the wherewithal to actually execute what they what
00:07:14 they're promising and and what was some i mean yeah i want to be people want to be heard but
00:07:20 what were some of the kicking sort of issues that reform had on their side mainly give us a chance
00:07:29 we've never done this before so we're a party that are an outlier we're not really like other
00:07:34 parties um and they've got out they've mobilized and they've got out just like the greens you know
00:07:41 when i was working with the labour party a few years ago and we had jeremy corbyn remember him
00:07:47 still around and momentum and we suddenly got an enormous influx of people knocking on doors we
00:07:54 thought this is three times as many people and i said after that election they're going to go back
00:07:59 to the greens you've got to keep them and people laughed at me and now a few years later they're
00:08:05 reaping that whirlwind because all of those people who are on the left of politics are going to the
00:08:10 greens uh okay so now uh it's i feel so badly that we find ourselves not just in england but in many
00:08:18 parts of the world uh certainly the countries that we deal with where elections is a popularity thing
00:08:25 and that the government and power is so out of control
00:08:30 that you can win an election based on,
00:08:33 hey, you never know, you never tried us.
00:08:37 That's a pretty serious state of affairs, Steve.
00:08:39 It is, and you have two quite charismatic
00:08:44 but very different leaders.
00:08:46 For the Greens, you've got Zach Polanski,
00:08:49 who is, I mean, he's quite clubbable.
00:08:52 He's, you know, he's fun to talk to.
00:08:55 says some extraordinary things, and fiercely intelligent, clearly, on the reform side,
00:09:02 you've got good old Nigel Farage, you know, good to have a pint with,
00:09:06 wears a flat cap and tweeds, he's all right, he's my mate.
00:09:10 So you've got those two kind of big charismas.
00:09:14 In the middle of that, you've got Kemi Badenoch, who's the Tory leader,
00:09:21 who doesn't seem to have as much charisma
00:09:23 and poor old Keir Starmer
00:09:25 who seems to be on his last legs.
00:09:29 He's had a big announcement tonight
00:09:33 or a big speech to MPs.
00:09:36 Okay, you know what?
00:09:37 I'll address quickly the other parliament,
00:09:40 Scottish parliament, S&P,
00:09:41 pulled away in a huge,
00:09:43 but we will get to that announcement in a sec.
00:09:45 S&P pulled away in a massive way.
00:09:48 Were you surprised by that?
00:09:49 yeah because um john swinney came into he's the leader of the smp i mean he's he's well he's well
00:09:57 known and well liked and steeped in politics in scottish politics but he came in to steady that
00:10:04 ship and i thought that it might fracture a little thought reform might do better i didn't think
00:10:10 labour would do that well um but he's trusted i suppose and they would be on the left of
00:10:17 westminster really so they're still trusted in there that's not to say they're going to go
00:10:24 independent because that's still a discussion that they're having and they still need to win
00:10:28 that argument but i'm surprised about that very surprised uh and uh of course the uh the the uh
00:10:36 senate uh municipal elections now this shocked me the pc party uh came away ahead with reform
00:10:43 trailing not too far behind but with not a really um not a really good hold on second place truthfully
00:10:53 yeah that surprised me as well because they were really pushy and plied cymru who are the um who
00:10:59 are the winners um in the real story is that labor have lost control of the senate in wales 0.59
00:11:06 which they've had for over a hundred years you know you know you talk about about politicians
00:11:13 like nye bevan you know who was who was the the architect of the of the nhs you know all of that
00:11:20 steeped in that cauldron of welsh politics and labor have been running that for many many years
00:11:27 and um they have nothing on the books hardly i mean honestly i i i almost won that election and
00:11:33 and I didn't even run up against labor.
00:11:37 But, okay, so now let me just ask you this,
00:11:39 the Scottish Parliament and then Wales,
00:11:43 do those two offer big indicators
00:11:46 or swells of support that make a difference
00:11:50 in the minds of the British?
00:11:54 No, because they're devolved.
00:11:57 So they are locked off, really.
00:11:59 You know, devolution was part of Tony Blair's,
00:12:02 again, Tony Blair, Tony Blair's Parliament. So they're kind of outliers. So they are locked off
00:12:10 from the rest of the UK, really. But they are examples of the way that politics is going
00:12:18 municipally in this country. You know, and reform, I thought, would have given Plaid Cymru a real,
00:12:26 which would be the local, in a way, the local most party, you know?
00:12:32 Dual language and all of that.
00:12:34 And I thought they would give them a really good run for their money.
00:12:39 It surprised me that they haven't.
00:12:41 And I'm really glad you brought it up because not many people are talking about that.
00:12:43 The general feeling is Starmer's goose is cooked and reform are on their way.
00:12:50 Okay, so as best I can tell, Starmer hit the airwaves tonight in a desperate attempt.
00:12:54 What did we see?
00:12:56 I take full responsibility. I'm not going to walk away. We have difficult decisions
00:13:02 to make. I know what I did wrong. And I feel I can repeat those mistakes over again. Not
00:13:08 exactly, but that sort of thing. So people have said, I saw this. He used the same words.
00:13:14 And what the Channel 4 News, one of our news channels, said tonight was they cut all of
00:13:21 those things he'd said before, and then took me to what he said tonight.
00:13:26 and counting we have 55 MPs no big ones yet no ones where you think apart from um Angie Rayner
00:13:35 who's who used to be um Keir Starmer's number two but who had to uh relinquish that post because of
00:13:42 a scandal and she's come out at a speech tonight and said um Andy Burnham should have been allowed
00:13:48 to stand in my constituency he was blocked okay so okay 55 MPs and counting are calling for Starmer
00:13:55 not to go but to at least tell us when he's going to go uh we have in canada something going on that
00:14:04 i wonder uh if is uh originated in by the way uh keir starmer thank you for those great words of
00:14:12 strength uh we have a situation going on in canada i don't know if you've heard about where uh
00:14:18 conservatives are crossing the floor to join the liberal party right there in parliament
00:14:22 minute. Similar acts of dissent happen in England in Parliament? Yes, and generally it would be the
00:14:31 Tories crossing the floor to join reform. That was what would happen generally. The Greens and
00:14:38 the Labour Party have not been so close. Now, the Greens don't have that many MPs in Parliament,
00:14:45 so they don't have that many MPs in Westminster, and they've traditionally done better with the
00:14:50 municipal elections. So you wouldn't generally see Labour crossing the floor to join Tories,
00:14:55 the Conservatives or the Greens. It is generally Conservatives joining reform. And we've had a
00:15:02 flurry of that recently. And we'll have some more. But Q Starmer has done the thing which I said he
00:15:08 would do before the election and it didn't track and I thought a party might jump on it. He said
00:15:15 I'm open to a pact, some kind of pact with the Tories, which he's done before, of course, when he was a leader of the Brexit party.
00:15:26 So that will track at some point.
00:15:28 Brexit was almost, that was almost the lit fuse on Brexit at that moment, was that coming together.
00:15:37 this brings i mean this is the outliers coming in because nobody expected the um vote no vote
00:15:46 leave party to win nobody expected that kind of conglomeration to win certainly not david cameron
00:15:53 the prime minister at the time who didn't run a very good campaign just thought people trust me
00:15:59 you know i'm the prime minister what i say goes and i was out on the night um of the vote
00:16:06 um and i was giving out leaflets knocking on doors for staying in um and i've i spoke to some
00:16:14 people who were campaigning for leaving and they said i've never campaigned politically before
00:16:20 this is an in-out vote i can make a difference and i feel connected to this and i think that's
00:16:26 the beginning of all of this well let's give these a try these have never done it before
00:16:31 let's do something seismic well as soon as you have that makes perfect sense as soon as you've
00:16:37 had enough and for a long period of time the descent into into hell in certain categories
00:16:44 in england just continued under the same two parties watch much like most of the world right
00:16:52 now humans are looking for human answers that will make their lives better they don't want the
00:16:57 standard uh they don't want the the status quo they don't want the standard answers or the
00:17:01 okay so now this uh this uh turns a torch to another topic torch by the way producer nick
00:17:09 is british for flashlight i have a list of them here so that i can relate better to steve
00:17:15 uh let's talk about this for a minute trump versus starmer uh back on march march 3rd uh
00:17:25 The quote is, he's not been helpful.
00:17:28 Trump describing Starmer's approach to the Iran conflict.
00:17:31 What is England's current stance on the Iran war right now?
00:17:36 He's no Winston Churchill.
00:17:37 I'll tell you that.
00:17:39 No Winston Churchill.
00:17:41 Yeah.
00:17:42 He isn't a Winston Churchill.
00:17:44 And actually, keeping us out of the Iran conflict,
00:17:47 and I saw a headline today of Iran saying to us,
00:17:50 worse to the effect of, you better not.
00:17:52 It could be bad for you if you do.
00:17:54 he's kept us out of that war now one of Labour's final eve of poll actually um party political
00:18:03 broadcasts was about I kept you out I kept you out the wall um I mean it doesn't it doesn't help
00:18:12 but what he's trying to do I think is create an alliance in Europe again the feeling is he he'd
00:18:19 like us to join Europe through the back door, say the Brexiteers. But I think it's generally
00:18:25 something that I think he's talking about. And really, he's holding out. The special
00:18:33 relationship, I don't know if it's taken a beating. I think it's kind of Trump. There's
00:18:41 quite a lot of hyperbole with Trump, isn't there? But he is no Winston Churchill. And
00:18:47 in some respects that goodness for that but it's i think we feel here it's not our war that's
00:18:54 that's still popular that's still very popular across the spectrum well that that makes good
00:18:59 sense and you know it's interesting that you talk about starmer out there trying to build
00:19:03 new relationships in europe and i i'm gonna ask you you know brexit was very it was a very heavy
00:19:10 very polarizing time in the UK. And, you know, post Brexit, I almost wonder if you have a better
00:19:18 opportunity to establish more inter-border relationships, new trade, because it's required,
00:19:27 and we'll get to that in a few minutes, new defensive relationships, new alliances, even
00:19:32 outside of NATO, that we're seeing many countries out there doing on the heels of this hyperbole
00:19:39 and non-directorate day-to-day of Trump.
00:19:44 Do you think that this is an opportunity
00:19:47 Starmer should be grasping and saying,
00:19:50 okay, look, being part of the European Union did not work,
00:19:55 but we can have a relationship, and here it goes like this.
00:19:59 What are your thoughts, Steve?
00:20:00 Yeah, he should be doing all of that.
00:20:02 So he should be looking at Europe and saying,
00:20:06 hey, I'm interested.
00:20:07 You know, kind of like that flirting thing, hey,
00:20:09 want to come back to my place we can talk about directorates you know that kind of thing you know
00:20:14 steve i've never heard your voice quite that way before no but it's beautiful isn't it you can
00:20:21 never you can never unhear it now that's what you'll hear all night i can't unring that bell
00:20:28 so i think that kind of smooching up to them in a sort of if only we could be together it's that
00:20:34 chase love affair thing let's try and find a way next Thursday when my boss is away that kind of
00:20:40 thing um yeah but yes you're right I think he should do that and say we go everywhere I think
00:20:46 we said this last time we go everywhere we'll go to China we'll go to India we'll do all that
00:20:51 um I think that after Brexit we had Theresa May as our Prime Minister we were focused on the Brexit
00:20:59 Then we had Boris Johnson and we were focused on his house and that his trousers didn't fit and he couldn't operate an umbrella.
00:21:07 And then we had COVID. So people have kind of forgotten about all that.
00:21:13 And Brexit isn't the open wound that it was because we've had COVID.
00:21:17 But he should pick this up. But he's a beleaguered prime minister.
00:21:22 And, you know, we don't hear about our trade, our trade minister. In fact, I can't even remember who it is, Mike.
00:21:29 You know, I'll encourage you to watch a show that we have upcoming about consultants in the government and what real politicians are able to do.
00:21:38 I think you're probably okay not even knowing who that minister is.
00:21:42 The consulting team, however, is worth noting.
00:21:46 Gas is out of control here.
00:21:48 I paid $1.89 on the weekend.
00:21:54 Nick, can you believe that?
00:21:56 $1.89.
00:21:57 I think I got had.
00:21:58 per liter. That's significant here. What are some of the impacts you guys are feeling from the Iran
00:22:04 war? Well, you know, it's often said, what will cause the British people to get up and not riot,
00:22:13 but have their say? We're kind of after you. No after you. Would you like a cucumber sandwich?
00:22:20 Let's wait until after 11s. So we're a bit like that. So although people are going,
00:22:24 petrol prices gas prices are high they're sort of going oh blimey that's high isn't it
00:22:32 it's not having it's not tracking as much but I think that's because people are saying
00:22:37 Starmer's got to go and I think people are saying it's Starmer and it's not but I think everybody's
00:22:44 putting their eggs in that basket and saying if Starmer wasn't here then everything would be fine
00:22:49 I mean, they've got a rude awakening, but they're saying if he wasn't there, we could have a better time.
00:22:56 So it's not tracking as much.
00:22:58 I watched three news programs tonight.
00:23:02 None of them said anything about petrol or gas prices.
00:23:06 It's interesting because we use that as the complaining post, I think, in a lot of ways here in Canada,
00:23:12 even though we produce a lot of oil and we could be producing and processing a lot more.
00:23:17 But it does seem to be one of the things we focus on.
00:23:19 And then you think about it at the end of the month.
00:23:21 Okay, this war is going to cost me personally and my gas tank $150 more.
00:23:27 It's not the end of the world. 0.63
00:23:29 It's significant.
00:23:30 But then, you know, the cost of food, the supply chain interruption, all of that.
00:23:35 And I wonder if maybe, and I kind of thought this going into the discussion with you,
00:23:39 I kind of think we're anticipating the effects of war and then already pricing it.
00:23:45 And I think England actually waits until the effects of war are in effect.
00:23:51 And then you start to tax accordingly or you start to raise prices accordingly.
00:23:56 Yeah, I don't think we lead anymore.
00:23:58 I don't think we lead, you know, the general feeling is we don't manufacture much.
00:24:02 And we don't lead, it doesn't seem.
00:24:05 And, you know, we used to have an empire, don't you know, Chin Chin and all that kind of stuff.
00:24:09 Yes, we used to have one. 0.99
00:24:11 Royal Britannia rules the waves if we had any ships.
00:24:14 so all of that and i think we do wait i think we think um it's generally if there are stories
00:24:22 around this it's generally about food prices and they'll generally go to a food bank um and a
00:24:30 charity and supermarkets will talk about putting their prices up and they'll go to a small business
00:24:35 that that's generally what they'll do we don't we aren't going crazy about this at the moment
00:24:42 And I always wonder, what is it that will make us finally go crazy?
00:24:49 Well, this actually could be it.
00:24:51 Trade with the U.S.
00:24:52 Last on my list here, Steve.
00:24:54 And frankly, it's something we're all suffering through at the moment.
00:24:58 We're on the doorstep of the renegotiation or re-sign-up of Kuzma here or Uxma, depending 0.62
00:25:05 on what country you're from. 0.97
00:25:06 What is the other one they say, Nick? 0.54
00:25:08 Uzma?
00:25:08 Uzma. 0.83
00:25:10 Yeah, they take Canada right out of it.
00:25:11 i think we should take a hint but we're on the doorstep of that trade agreement and uh with the
00:25:17 rash of tariffs and arguments that go back and forth with u.s trade at the moment where does
00:25:23 the uk position itself and how are you feeling uh with negotiations with the u.s on trade
00:25:30 we're feeling quite sanguine but then bear in mind we've had the mandelson fallout
00:25:36 so we've had the peter mandelson situation you know with the ambassadorship and then the the
00:25:43 connections to jeffrey epstein and all of that so that's as you say you know if it bleeds it leads
00:25:50 and that's the way it is we've that's kind of dominated um over the past i mean before the
00:25:58 election certainly it's dominated political discourse so we haven't had much discussion
00:26:04 around trade what we have had this evening actually this is something he's announced tonight
00:26:10 is that british steel is going to be publicly owned it will be national wow this is an incredible
00:26:19 thing now if he's if he's saying to us now british steel's been nationalized before so it's easier to
00:26:26 do um trade unions community the trade union um mainly for steel workers has come out and
00:26:31 obviously said this is fantastic um and why rick is the general secretary has done that that's
00:26:37 brilliant we don't know how it's going to work we don't know whether it's going to work but as a as
00:26:43 a flag you know as planting your flag and saying we make stuff now we make stuff and we own it
00:26:52 that's something that certainly i'm interested in um absolutely we we talk about this uh here at tpl
00:27:00 all the time we owned petro canada we owned our own oil drilling processing we became leaders in
00:27:07 the world and we couldn't wait to sell it off we we build toll roads and we sell them to foreign
00:27:13 companies we don't manufacture anything we're not in the business as a nation of doing much
00:27:21 to hear this is very interesting it is and and with i mean there's always been
00:27:29 i mean there are several different kind of um steel companies and they're not all british
00:27:33 steel but my understanding is there's a vibrant order book so why would you not want to take
00:27:40 control of that but i mean there is a discussion around i saw someone on a news channel tonight
00:27:46 saying well of course it's an open checkbook really you don't know how it's going to work
00:27:51 you know how much money is going to have to be poured into it and he was racing as you just said
00:27:56 towards let when are we going to sell it back when is someone going to buy it we don't have to do
00:28:01 that you know i'm i'm very aged and i remember in the 70s when we did a own quite a lot and the
00:28:08 labor manifesto in 74 1974 had 100 companies that were going to be nationalized at the front of the
00:28:17 manifesto i mean it's an extraordinary way to go if starma had a backbone he'd do more
00:28:26 i would agree with you and in that at that moment that manifesto led to the banking force that
00:28:32 london relaunched you suddenly had banking to do of your own manufacturing your own uh your own
00:28:42 economy as it were and that kind of led to the whole world doing banking through england and
00:28:50 doing it again frankly so this might be a really good move it could be i mean you know gordon brown
00:28:58 did this a while when he was chancellor um in that he kind of brought in not all of the railways
00:29:06 but he bought in the main overarching organization um rail track it was called i think at the time
00:29:13 and he said if i remember rightly and i could be a bit fuzzy on some of the specifics but you know
00:29:19 he said to um shareholders this is what you get here's the amount of money you get because the
00:29:25 value of your shares can go up as well as down as you know because you're a shareholder so you work
00:29:30 you play the markets and i don't know of anybody who said how dare you i've lost money generally
00:29:35 it was understand understood that it needed to be taken back in um and he took some of it in
00:29:41 so it can be done i think that in this country certainly um transportation that you know um
00:29:49 rail people would love that um and water people would absolutely love that to come back in
00:29:56 uh it's uh very interesting to hear the steel one for sure as some of the competing markets out
00:30:02 there russia china uh you know other european countries but historically britain has been
00:30:09 a major britain i guess scotland england probably even wales i don't know but you've had major
00:30:17 steel companies provide the world with some of the most some of the best and high grade
00:30:23 structural steel available it's interesting to me that that would be the first stop for
00:30:30 starmer that almost feels like that almost feels like a campaign underway it does and that kind of
00:30:37 i'll bring this back in folks he doesn't need to do it with rail or water he can just say he's
00:30:42 interested in people say okay but you know in the past you're quite right and wales was a fantastic
00:30:48 steel making um area and and slate as well but we had coal we had so much yeah that's right yeah
00:30:58 and we still have coal and we're not digging it you know we're not digging it out in that way
00:31:04 and this would be you know what we're doing this we're doing the same thing here i mean there are
00:31:08 things that we don't want the environment to get that other countries are going to have to use or
00:31:15 they will starve or no longer be part of the global economy and yet we shut down processing
00:31:23 oil we don't want to put pipelines in here the one resource we could do we don't want to put uh
00:31:29 mines in the ground unless it's a sure thing that we can do it in an environmentally friendly way
00:31:34 which is fantastic in a fairy tale but in an era where a country needs to come back building
00:31:42 something doing something being a manufacturer being a resource for the world much like england
00:31:49 we stumble we stall we trip over our own feet it would be nice to see even if it was done in
00:31:56 in greater measure both of both these countries making an effort with their own resources
00:32:04 yes and of course we got we've got oil under the north sea so you know it's good to pump that
00:32:09 sucker as well you know that'll be good as well um one thing that in the government but let me
00:32:15 just take a second here and say please buy canadian oil because british oil it stinks it smells like
00:32:22 fish thank you it's it's weak and it doesn't it it's not it's not great it's like it's like
00:32:30 it's very don't drink that uh well this is uh this is interesting what's the government's
00:32:38 positive spin overall on the economy there they're saying very little so we know the figures aren't
00:32:46 good and i think as we said last time we met you know rachel reeves our chancellor who is not well
00:32:52 liked um is not using yet the war in iran to say look we've got problems but um they're still i
00:33:03 I mean, they said when they came to power, it's going to be difficult, there's no money.
00:33:08 And then when they came to power, they said, not only is there no money, there's no, no money.
00:33:11 There's no, no, no money.
00:33:12 No, no money.
00:33:13 So it was all that.
00:33:15 And although she's not said anything yet, there's always that fallback position.
00:33:23 She's actually not been let out of her box for a while.
00:33:28 um the starmer's ball after the day after the election disaster he's brought back two people
00:33:36 who were in blair's government well yeah gordon brown who is disliked um on for on certain in
00:33:44 certain areas and harriet harman who is disliked in certain areas it's not as if he's saying look
00:33:49 all these lovely people that i'm bringing back who you loved look at all these people you don't
00:33:54 like, I'm bringing back. So the concentration's on him. And I don't think he can bring Rachel
00:34:00 Reeves in because she's really disliked. Again, we aren't getting angry about the economy.
00:34:11 We're getting angry about you're not listening to me. But people, when they're interviewed,
00:34:17 it's not kind of, but what are you not being listened about? I don't know. She's not being
00:34:21 listen to it once it gets to that kind of um wave level then it doesn't really matter does it so
00:34:29 we've all been a bit quiet on the economy the general feeling's gloomy but um no one's saying
00:34:34 well hang on a minute we're performing really badly and the pound in my pocket is not going
00:34:40 very far not many people are saying that at the moment um i suppose there's a fallout to come
00:34:46 and then there'll be more of that but there's a ready-made excuse with oil and petrol
00:34:52 I should point out that on behalf of the whole world,
00:34:56 thank you for making sure that Prince Andrew is no longer referred that way.
00:35:00 I hope it inspires us to take a deeper look into making actions
00:35:04 that other people mentioned in the files.
00:35:07 By the way, our producer Nick mentioned as many times as 35 times in the Epstein files.
00:35:17 It's not true. I made that up.
00:35:19 Well, look, Steve, I always enjoy speaking with you.
00:35:22 Thank you for the update.
00:35:24 And I'll look forward to speaking to you again shortly, if you don't mind.
00:35:27 I think before we get into too much summer here,
00:35:29 we better have another chat and see what's going on in the UK across the front.
00:35:33 Thank you, my man.
00:35:35 Thank you very much for letting me have a chat.
00:35:37 By the time we speak next, we might have Prime Minister Burnham
00:35:42 or Prime Minister Streeting.
00:35:44 Who knows?
00:35:45 let's keep uh watching what's going on during the elections thank you steve swift
00:35:50 london england uh greatly appreciate it we'll see you next time and we'll see you next time
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