Can UK Politics Survive the Reform Surge？ ft. Steve Swift
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Join Mike and Mike as they discuss the results of municipal elections in the UK and Canada, and the implications for the future of two-party politics in Britain and Canada. Plus, a look at the impact of the Greens and Reform victories in local elections across the country.
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it is a real break and i think people are saying well you know labor and tories will come back in
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the next couple of years but i don't think they will i think they've got a three-year cycle for
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for councillors and i think in those local municipal elections i think that
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hi thanks for joining us i'm mike this is tplmedia.ca don't forget to subscribe and tell
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lot of ideas for shows and what we should be talking about uh specifically from the things
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you're saying so uh please participate in that we are joined uh now in the uk live from our
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london studios our lead correspondent steve swift joins us steve thanks so much for being with us
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thank you very much it's um there's a lot to talk about in politics in britain so i'm delighted
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to be here pip tally ho and all of that ah well done oh pretty good eh so uh yeah as we uh cross
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the pond uh we like to do this uh we kind of do it monthly now and i appreciate uh steve for doing
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this but essentially we we have certain commonalities and uh it's interesting to keep an
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eye on each other of course uh steve the last time we talked to you we're on the doorstep
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in uh in the uk of the what we would call here in canada municipal elections and now they have
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occurred and uh you know i it's very interesting there's been pushback on uh the some of the major
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parties there's been certainly some upheaval and i would imagine if i was keir starmer i'd be a
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little bit worried about my future in england uh to say the very least but i'm going to hand it off
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to you steve if you don't mind to kind of set the stage of where we were and where the elections
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landed us yeah i mean um this was last thursday um so thursday into friday a third of municipal
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or council elections or councillors were up and it was a terrible night for both Labour
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and the Conservatives so two-party politics may well be over in the next three years
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as far as municipal elections go now you know elections to Westminster and Parliament
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are very very different so let's not get too excited but it was good for two smaller parties
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so it was good for a party on the left the greens and it was good for a party on the acceptable
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right reform yeah it's interesting because in the england councils of course reform just
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pulled away a hundred and what was it 1454 votes i think was the final tally there
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And then the Conservatives and the Green Party, even in the England councils,
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And as you point out, you've had a two-party system at the parliamentary end for some time.
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But this looks like there might be some cracks in that granite.
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And is that the indicator that you think the England councillors are sending to the top?
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Yeah, I mean, people think that generally they're not being listened to.
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I think it's probably too simplistic to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.
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Outside of the big cities, you're looking at reform.
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And in the big cities, you're looking at green or a combination of no overall control
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but this is a big moment um reform was saying before the votes were counted around 10 o'clock
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on the when polls had closed 1500 seats would be good for them um a few hundred councillors and i
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said 1500 you're joking aren't you well as you say they almost got there um greens did extremely well
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in my local area Manchester um extremely well so it is a real break and I think people are saying
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well you know Labour and Tories will come back in the next couple of years but I don't think they
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will I think we've got a three-year cycle for for councillors and I think in those local municipal
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elections. I think that the Greens and reform will continue that sweep, particularly the Greens.
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I would imagine that has a lot to do with what they do in their three-year terms, right? So
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if a lot turns around quickly in those municipalities and in those councils,
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then I guess they'll keep a position. But it is nice to think that there would be a change that
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takes hold for some period of time anyway. I mean, it doesn't matter where you live in the world,
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you'd like a government to hold responsibility for a period of time to get something done.
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What do you think brought the Greens and the Reform Party to the top so in such a volume?
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I mean, Keir Starmer is a big, our prime minister, is a big feature of that.
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i will not walk away i take responsibility he's done that in a big make or break speech this
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evening more of that in a minute but generally people don't feel listened to um and so parties
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that are outliers so the greens haven't had that many councillors in britain a few reform have done
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better in municipal elections in this country but generally they are outliers so why don't we try
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them what harm could they do it's interesting you talk about they've got an a year two years three
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years particularly with reform because they've taken control of some councils so that is going
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to be very interesting particularly i think they've gone an electric electoral cycle too early
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and i don't think they have that kind of experience and we're gonna right we're gonna see how that
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plays out because in a year maybe two years people might say well they've taken over they've done
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nothing or they've done a really bad job of it of course they might be superb but we don't have a
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lot of patience as voters we don't have a huge amount of pay sorry and we'll get you right we
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don't have a huge amount of patience but three years nothing gets done ah you're you know i've
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got to find it's human nature but you know the patient voter might actually see results in their
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communities if if they start to show as you point out you know this might have been too much too
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fast uh but let's hope that they have the wherewithal to actually execute what they what
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they're promising and and what was some i mean yeah i want to be people want to be heard but
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what were some of the kicking sort of issues that reform had on their side mainly give us a chance
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we've never done this before so we're a party that are an outlier we're not really like other
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parties um and they've got out they've mobilized and they've got out just like the greens you know
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when i was working with the labour party a few years ago and we had jeremy corbyn remember him
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still around and momentum and we suddenly got an enormous influx of people knocking on doors we
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thought this is three times as many people and i said after that election they're going to go back
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to the greens you've got to keep them and people laughed at me and now a few years later they're
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reaping that whirlwind because all of those people who are on the left of politics are going to the
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greens uh okay so now uh it's i feel so badly that we find ourselves not just in england but in many
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parts of the world uh certainly the countries that we deal with where elections is a popularity thing
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and that the government and power is so out of control
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That's a pretty serious state of affairs, Steve.
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says some extraordinary things, and fiercely intelligent, clearly, on the reform side,
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you've got good old Nigel Farage, you know, good to have a pint with,
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wears a flat cap and tweeds, he's all right, he's my mate.
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In the middle of that, you've got Kemi Badenoch, who's the Tory leader,
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yeah because um john swinney came into he's the leader of the smp i mean he's he's well he's well
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known and well liked and steeped in politics in scottish politics but he came in to steady that
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ship and i thought that it might fracture a little thought reform might do better i didn't think
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labour would do that well um but he's trusted i suppose and they would be on the left of
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westminster really so they're still trusted in there that's not to say they're going to go
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independent because that's still a discussion that they're having and they still need to win
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that argument but i'm surprised about that very surprised uh and uh of course the uh the the uh
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senate uh municipal elections now this shocked me the pc party uh came away ahead with reform
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trailing not too far behind but with not a really um not a really good hold on second place truthfully
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yeah that surprised me as well because they were really pushy and plied cymru who are the um who
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are the winners um in the real story is that labor have lost control of the senate in wales
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which they've had for over a hundred years you know you know you talk about about politicians
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like nye bevan you know who was who was the the architect of the of the nhs you know all of that
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steeped in that cauldron of welsh politics and labor have been running that for many many years
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and um they have nothing on the books hardly i mean honestly i i i almost won that election and
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again, Tony Blair, Tony Blair's Parliament. So they're kind of outliers. So they are locked off
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from the rest of the UK, really. But they are examples of the way that politics is going
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municipally in this country. You know, and reform, I thought, would have given Plaid Cymru a real,
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which would be the local, in a way, the local most party, you know?
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And I thought they would give them a really good run for their money.
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And I'm really glad you brought it up because not many people are talking about that.
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The general feeling is Starmer's goose is cooked and reform are on their way.
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Okay, so as best I can tell, Starmer hit the airwaves tonight in a desperate attempt.
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I take full responsibility. I'm not going to walk away. We have difficult decisions
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to make. I know what I did wrong. And I feel I can repeat those mistakes over again. Not
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exactly, but that sort of thing. So people have said, I saw this. He used the same words.
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And what the Channel 4 News, one of our news channels, said tonight was they cut all of
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those things he'd said before, and then took me to what he said tonight.
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and counting we have 55 MPs no big ones yet no ones where you think apart from um Angie Rayner
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who's who used to be um Keir Starmer's number two but who had to uh relinquish that post because of
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a scandal and she's come out at a speech tonight and said um Andy Burnham should have been allowed
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to stand in my constituency he was blocked okay so okay 55 MPs and counting are calling for Starmer
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not to go but to at least tell us when he's going to go uh we have in canada something going on that
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i wonder uh if is uh originated in by the way uh keir starmer thank you for those great words of
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strength uh we have a situation going on in canada i don't know if you've heard about where uh
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conservatives are crossing the floor to join the liberal party right there in parliament
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minute. Similar acts of dissent happen in England in Parliament? Yes, and generally it would be the
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Tories crossing the floor to join reform. That was what would happen generally. The Greens and
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the Labour Party have not been so close. Now, the Greens don't have that many MPs in Parliament,
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so they don't have that many MPs in Westminster, and they've traditionally done better with the
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municipal elections. So you wouldn't generally see Labour crossing the floor to join Tories,
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the Conservatives or the Greens. It is generally Conservatives joining reform. And we've had a
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flurry of that recently. And we'll have some more. But Q Starmer has done the thing which I said he
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would do before the election and it didn't track and I thought a party might jump on it. He said
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I'm open to a pact, some kind of pact with the Tories, which he's done before, of course, when he was a leader of the Brexit party.
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Brexit was almost, that was almost the lit fuse on Brexit at that moment, was that coming together.
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this brings i mean this is the outliers coming in because nobody expected the um vote no vote
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leave party to win nobody expected that kind of conglomeration to win certainly not david cameron
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the prime minister at the time who didn't run a very good campaign just thought people trust me
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you know i'm the prime minister what i say goes and i was out on the night um of the vote
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um and i was giving out leaflets knocking on doors for staying in um and i've i spoke to some
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people who were campaigning for leaving and they said i've never campaigned politically before
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this is an in-out vote i can make a difference and i feel connected to this and i think that's
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the beginning of all of this well let's give these a try these have never done it before
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let's do something seismic well as soon as you have that makes perfect sense as soon as you've
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had enough and for a long period of time the descent into into hell in certain categories
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in england just continued under the same two parties watch much like most of the world right
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now humans are looking for human answers that will make their lives better they don't want the
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standard uh they don't want the the status quo they don't want the standard answers or the
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okay so now this uh this uh turns a torch to another topic torch by the way producer nick
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is british for flashlight i have a list of them here so that i can relate better to steve
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uh let's talk about this for a minute trump versus starmer uh back on march march 3rd uh
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Trump describing Starmer's approach to the Iran conflict.
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What is England's current stance on the Iran war right now?
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And actually, keeping us out of the Iran conflict,
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and I saw a headline today of Iran saying to us,
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he's kept us out of that war now one of Labour's final eve of poll actually um party political
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broadcasts was about I kept you out I kept you out the wall um I mean it doesn't it doesn't help
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but what he's trying to do I think is create an alliance in Europe again the feeling is he he'd
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like us to join Europe through the back door, say the Brexiteers. But I think it's generally
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something that I think he's talking about. And really, he's holding out. The special
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relationship, I don't know if it's taken a beating. I think it's kind of Trump. There's
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quite a lot of hyperbole with Trump, isn't there? But he is no Winston Churchill. And
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in some respects that goodness for that but it's i think we feel here it's not our war that's
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that's still popular that's still very popular across the spectrum well that that makes good
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sense and you know it's interesting that you talk about starmer out there trying to build
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new relationships in europe and i i'm gonna ask you you know brexit was very it was a very heavy
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very polarizing time in the UK. And, you know, post Brexit, I almost wonder if you have a better
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opportunity to establish more inter-border relationships, new trade, because it's required,
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and we'll get to that in a few minutes, new defensive relationships, new alliances, even
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outside of NATO, that we're seeing many countries out there doing on the heels of this hyperbole
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okay, look, being part of the European Union did not work,
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but we can have a relationship, and here it goes like this.
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You know, kind of like that flirting thing, hey,
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want to come back to my place we can talk about directorates you know that kind of thing you know
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steve i've never heard your voice quite that way before no but it's beautiful isn't it you can
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never you can never unhear it now that's what you'll hear all night i can't unring that bell
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so i think that kind of smooching up to them in a sort of if only we could be together it's that
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chase love affair thing let's try and find a way next Thursday when my boss is away that kind of
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thing um yeah but yes you're right I think he should do that and say we go everywhere I think
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we said this last time we go everywhere we'll go to China we'll go to India we'll do all that
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um I think that after Brexit we had Theresa May as our Prime Minister we were focused on the Brexit
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Then we had Boris Johnson and we were focused on his house and that his trousers didn't fit and he couldn't operate an umbrella.
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And then we had COVID. So people have kind of forgotten about all that.
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And Brexit isn't the open wound that it was because we've had COVID.
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But he should pick this up. But he's a beleaguered prime minister.
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And, you know, we don't hear about our trade, our trade minister. In fact, I can't even remember who it is, Mike.
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You know, I'll encourage you to watch a show that we have upcoming about consultants in the government and what real politicians are able to do.
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I think you're probably okay not even knowing who that minister is.
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per liter. That's significant here. What are some of the impacts you guys are feeling from the Iran
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war? Well, you know, it's often said, what will cause the British people to get up and not riot,
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but have their say? We're kind of after you. No after you. Would you like a cucumber sandwich?
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Let's wait until after 11s. So we're a bit like that. So although people are going,
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petrol prices gas prices are high they're sort of going oh blimey that's high isn't it
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it's not having it's not tracking as much but I think that's because people are saying
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Starmer's got to go and I think people are saying it's Starmer and it's not but I think everybody's
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putting their eggs in that basket and saying if Starmer wasn't here then everything would be fine
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I mean, they've got a rude awakening, but they're saying if he wasn't there, we could have a better time.
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None of them said anything about petrol or gas prices.
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It's interesting because we use that as the complaining post, I think, in a lot of ways here in Canada,
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even though we produce a lot of oil and we could be producing and processing a lot more.
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But it does seem to be one of the things we focus on.
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And then you think about it at the end of the month.
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Okay, this war is going to cost me personally and my gas tank $150 more.
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But then, you know, the cost of food, the supply chain interruption, all of that.
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And I wonder if maybe, and I kind of thought this going into the discussion with you,
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I kind of think we're anticipating the effects of war and then already pricing it.
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And I think England actually waits until the effects of war are in effect.
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And then you start to tax accordingly or you start to raise prices accordingly.
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I don't think we lead, you know, the general feeling is we don't manufacture much.
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And, you know, we used to have an empire, don't you know, Chin Chin and all that kind of stuff.
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Royal Britannia rules the waves if we had any ships.
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so all of that and i think we do wait i think we think um it's generally if there are stories
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around this it's generally about food prices and they'll generally go to a food bank um and a
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charity and supermarkets will talk about putting their prices up and they'll go to a small business
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that that's generally what they'll do we don't we aren't going crazy about this at the moment
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And I always wonder, what is it that will make us finally go crazy?
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And frankly, it's something we're all suffering through at the moment.
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We're on the doorstep of the renegotiation or re-sign-up of Kuzma here or Uxma, depending
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i think we should take a hint but we're on the doorstep of that trade agreement and uh with the
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rash of tariffs and arguments that go back and forth with u.s trade at the moment where does
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the uk position itself and how are you feeling uh with negotiations with the u.s on trade
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we're feeling quite sanguine but then bear in mind we've had the mandelson fallout
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so we've had the peter mandelson situation you know with the ambassadorship and then the the
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connections to jeffrey epstein and all of that so that's as you say you know if it bleeds it leads
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and that's the way it is we've that's kind of dominated um over the past i mean before the
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election certainly it's dominated political discourse so we haven't had much discussion
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around trade what we have had this evening actually this is something he's announced tonight
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is that british steel is going to be publicly owned it will be national wow this is an incredible
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thing now if he's if he's saying to us now british steel's been nationalized before so it's easier to
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do um trade unions community the trade union um mainly for steel workers has come out and
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obviously said this is fantastic um and why rick is the general secretary has done that that's
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brilliant we don't know how it's going to work we don't know whether it's going to work but as a as
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a flag you know as planting your flag and saying we make stuff now we make stuff and we own it
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that's something that certainly i'm interested in um absolutely we we talk about this uh here at tpl
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all the time we owned petro canada we owned our own oil drilling processing we became leaders in
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the world and we couldn't wait to sell it off we we build toll roads and we sell them to foreign
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companies we don't manufacture anything we're not in the business as a nation of doing much
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to hear this is very interesting it is and and with i mean there's always been
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i mean there are several different kind of um steel companies and they're not all british
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steel but my understanding is there's a vibrant order book so why would you not want to take
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control of that but i mean there is a discussion around i saw someone on a news channel tonight
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saying well of course it's an open checkbook really you don't know how it's going to work
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you know how much money is going to have to be poured into it and he was racing as you just said
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towards let when are we going to sell it back when is someone going to buy it we don't have to do
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that you know i'm i'm very aged and i remember in the 70s when we did a own quite a lot and the
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labor manifesto in 74 1974 had 100 companies that were going to be nationalized at the front of the
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manifesto i mean it's an extraordinary way to go if starma had a backbone he'd do more
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i would agree with you and in that at that moment that manifesto led to the banking force that
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london relaunched you suddenly had banking to do of your own manufacturing your own uh your own
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economy as it were and that kind of led to the whole world doing banking through england and
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doing it again frankly so this might be a really good move it could be i mean you know gordon brown
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did this a while when he was chancellor um in that he kind of brought in not all of the railways
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but he bought in the main overarching organization um rail track it was called i think at the time
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and he said if i remember rightly and i could be a bit fuzzy on some of the specifics but you know
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he said to um shareholders this is what you get here's the amount of money you get because the
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value of your shares can go up as well as down as you know because you're a shareholder so you work
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you play the markets and i don't know of anybody who said how dare you i've lost money generally
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it was understand understood that it needed to be taken back in um and he took some of it in
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so it can be done i think that in this country certainly um transportation that you know um
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rail people would love that um and water people would absolutely love that to come back in
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uh it's uh very interesting to hear the steel one for sure as some of the competing markets out
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there russia china uh you know other european countries but historically britain has been
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a major britain i guess scotland england probably even wales i don't know but you've had major
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steel companies provide the world with some of the most some of the best and high grade
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structural steel available it's interesting to me that that would be the first stop for
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starmer that almost feels like that almost feels like a campaign underway it does and that kind of
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i'll bring this back in folks he doesn't need to do it with rail or water he can just say he's
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interested in people say okay but you know in the past you're quite right and wales was a fantastic
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steel making um area and and slate as well but we had coal we had so much yeah that's right yeah
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and we still have coal and we're not digging it you know we're not digging it out in that way
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and this would be you know what we're doing this we're doing the same thing here i mean there are
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things that we don't want the environment to get that other countries are going to have to use or
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they will starve or no longer be part of the global economy and yet we shut down processing
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oil we don't want to put pipelines in here the one resource we could do we don't want to put uh
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mines in the ground unless it's a sure thing that we can do it in an environmentally friendly way
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which is fantastic in a fairy tale but in an era where a country needs to come back building
00:31:42.900
something doing something being a manufacturer being a resource for the world much like england
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we stumble we stall we trip over our own feet it would be nice to see even if it was done in
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in greater measure both of both these countries making an effort with their own resources
00:32:04.740
yes and of course we got we've got oil under the north sea so you know it's good to pump that
00:32:09.940
sucker as well you know that'll be good as well um one thing that in the government but let me
00:32:15.140
just take a second here and say please buy canadian oil because british oil it stinks it smells like
00:32:22.100
fish thank you it's it's weak and it doesn't it it's not it's not great it's like it's like
00:32:30.900
it's very don't drink that uh well this is uh this is interesting what's the government's
00:32:38.100
positive spin overall on the economy there they're saying very little so we know the figures aren't
00:32:46.140
good and i think as we said last time we met you know rachel reeves our chancellor who is not well
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liked um is not using yet the war in iran to say look we've got problems but um they're still i
00:33:03.160
I mean, they said when they came to power, it's going to be difficult, there's no money.
00:33:08.040
And then when they came to power, they said, not only is there no money, there's no, no money.
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And although she's not said anything yet, there's always that fallback position.
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She's actually not been let out of her box for a while.
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um the starmer's ball after the day after the election disaster he's brought back two people
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who were in blair's government well yeah gordon brown who is disliked um on for on certain in
00:33:44.580
certain areas and harriet harman who is disliked in certain areas it's not as if he's saying look
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all these lovely people that i'm bringing back who you loved look at all these people you don't
00:33:54.280
like, I'm bringing back. So the concentration's on him. And I don't think he can bring Rachel
00:34:00.840
Reeves in because she's really disliked. Again, we aren't getting angry about the economy.
00:34:11.900
We're getting angry about you're not listening to me. But people, when they're interviewed,
00:34:17.500
it's not kind of, but what are you not being listened about? I don't know. She's not being
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listen to it once it gets to that kind of um wave level then it doesn't really matter does it so
00:34:29.620
we've all been a bit quiet on the economy the general feeling's gloomy but um no one's saying
00:34:34.500
well hang on a minute we're performing really badly and the pound in my pocket is not going
00:34:40.340
very far not many people are saying that at the moment um i suppose there's a fallout to come
00:34:46.740
and then there'll be more of that but there's a ready-made excuse with oil and petrol
00:34:52.700
I should point out that on behalf of the whole world,
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thank you for making sure that Prince Andrew is no longer referred that way.
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I hope it inspires us to take a deeper look into making actions
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By the way, our producer Nick mentioned as many times as 35 times in the Epstein files.
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Well, look, Steve, I always enjoy speaking with you.
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And I'll look forward to speaking to you again shortly, if you don't mind.
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I think before we get into too much summer here,
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we better have another chat and see what's going on in the UK across the front.
00:35:35.040
Thank you very much for letting me have a chat.
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By the time we speak next, we might have Prime Minister Burnham
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let's keep uh watching what's going on during the elections thank you steve swift
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london england uh greatly appreciate it we'll see you next time and we'll see you next time
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