Canada's 5% Tariff Truth vs. US Trade War
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Canadians are getting hit hard by the Trump administration's trade tariffs. However, there is one country in the world that hasn't been hit as hard as Canada and that's the US. The US Ambassador to Canada, Paul Urquhart, has a very interesting take on the situation.
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well like every country in the world canada is affected by donald trump and tariffs there is
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not a country on the planet that has not been hit by tariffs from the current u.s administration
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however there was a very telling comment from the u.s ambassador to canada on ctv news this week and
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paul uh explain to the viewers right now the big picture what he talked about and how different it
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is from maybe the narrative that we're we are receiving on a daily basis yeah jim what what a
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social experiment this one is right so the conversation with a reporter uh and i don't
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need to go into the details of the person but anyways u.s ambassador gets on and and they're
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grilling them you know back and forth about you know uh isn't canada being penalized because
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you know we've given up the digital tax we went out and got fentanyl we spent 1.3 billion to sure
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up our borders which quite frankly we needed to do anyways so we spent 1.3 billion we showed up our
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borders but we're still getting penalized right uh that goes on to the end and the u.s ambassador which
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just threw a like a huge uh twist or wrench into it he says well you know you're only paying an
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effective tax of five percent and that's the best rate of anyone in the world right look at india that
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just got jacked up to 50 percent and and the part kind of rears back he says what do you mean he says
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well your effective tax rate so if you take out the usmca cosma which makes up 85 and as you and i
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both know those are mostly energy purchases so natural gas wells you got it yeah so that makes
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85 of our trade zero tariffs right so now we're not paying anything um and then he says well you're
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only 15 and there's uh steel aluminum you know and then there's soft lumber so those are high but they
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only make up 15 and out of that 15 bundle they only make up a small amount of that so quite frankly
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when you average all those in zero at 85 percent and the high amount on the other two items and then
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all the other 10 15 items we put on it averages out to five percent so steven murren remember i don't
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know if you remember this conversation and you and i talked weeks and weeks ago when tariffs came yeah
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so the economic uh the head of a economist for the u.s government you know uh when you live in
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uh the u.s and i lived just outside of washington it's really cool because they have 12 or 15 think
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tanks of people so steven murren was the head economist for the think tanks for the republican
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government for years and he's now taking the role of the head economist of the whole government and he
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told us he told us about these tariffs way back and he predicted that for canada it would have a less
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than one percent uh effect on the end user so when we're saying oh man everything's gonna go up it's
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gonna go crazy steve murren told us that based on the usmca cosmo agreement based on all these
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tariffs coming canadians would see the end user canadian the customer would see a very small amount
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because by the time it got absorbed by the manufacturers uh passed off between everyone
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before it gets to the end we would not see the impact and he's right he's basically occlusion
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and you know we're running around so there's an interesting part of this sorry i'm no going
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up the interesting part to me is here we are and this was a great great you know the u.s ambassador
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the reporter system well you're we're in a trade war he says we're in a trade war
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what trade war are we in we're not the as americans we're not in a trade war are you in a trade war
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well yeah you know we're you know he goes no we're not we're in a discussion you know we don't
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care of much of what we actually purchase from you uh you know so quite frankly
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you know i don't think we're in a war and quite frankly you know he went on to explain to him
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we're not only in a war but we're not interested in being in a war and quite frankly
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your negotiators are doing a very good job at keeping canada at the lowest tariff rate of anywhere
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in the world so then all of a sudden we want to subsidize industries right yeah so i so paul i
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think in and i'm glad he brought up that the job that the negotiators for the country are doing but
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you can't separate what the all the tariff talk is with the talk about the 51st state and that scared
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a lot of canadians the thought of being swallowed up by america and that is basically skewed our view
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of reality and perception of the terrorists so when the u.s ambassador in a very calm intellectual
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eloquent way explains what it is in real terms you go oh because up until then it's been 51st state
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tariffs and he's going to crush canada economically that's all we've heard for months yeah no no i i
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get it but yeah not well explained i get it and that's his style you know it's unique it's a bad
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style point right i get it i get it but you know there's some interesting things that you need to
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kind of consider in there and and you know uh in july the rcmp came out and told us we now have 4 000
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gangs in country right when when we went for this mass immigration push and everything else we actually
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pulled everyone off uh investigations criminal investigations and we opened up the borders and
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we basically spent all our time just getting people in the country right so that's a challenge he you
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know trump the the us government is well aware of what's going on here we have some challenges in
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canada and i don't think we can't hide it we have some defense challenges right you know the arctic is
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wide open if you literally if you listen to steve bannon and those of you get a chance very
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interesting when he explains what the arctic and what's going on up there and how that has a bigger
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global implication than we think so therefore when he's saying it i get what he's saying and i don't
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love what he's saying because he's saying in a really kind of demeaning way and i think a lot of that
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came from uh trudeau and you know the the bumping between the two parties they did not get along
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no they didn't they didn't get along and you know quite frankly you know all this stuff we're hearing
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now between uh macron and trudeau and all this stuff is trump ever going to get along with that
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crew no no no he's never he's not that type of man and you know he's he's not going to put up with
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all the shenanigans that they're living so you know there's no to me that there's no surprise that
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they weren't going to get along right because he probably knew what we are finding out now long before
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we did so he's probably never had an affinity to be part of that crew so you know that's that's
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only natural but but you know all that scuttlebutt about the arctic and defense and everything leads
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to his thing why we should be a one nation i don't believe we should be one nation i'm not promoting
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it but i understand why he's doing it and why he's saying it and it goes back this is going back
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years i grew up in a military family and i remember my father in the air force the generals
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in the 1970s begging justin's father pierre that they need this piece of equipment and they need
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that piece of equipment and we were in a peacetime era of our nation and we went decades without buying
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necessary equipment in the 1990s it was discussed potentially about getting air submarines that could
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operate under the arctic ice and we and now we're we may if we're lucky have submarines that can
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operate under the arctic ice cap in the 2030s if everything goes well because of technology that
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won't be nuclear powered and um i mean we're living next to the biggest most well-funded most powerful
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military in the world who is carrying the weight for hundreds of countries around the world so i mean
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there's 20 30 different things all converging at once decades of not spending on the military that
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is coming back to bite us in the butt maybe being too complacent thinking we'll always be friends
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and sometimes i mean there was famous quotes with richard nixon did not like pierre trudeau whatsoever
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but they did business together yeah they don't like each other they don't like each other and but
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there was a poll done recently in the month of july it said 59 of canadians think they'll never trust
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americans the same way again and when i read that it's not american people it's american politicians
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and that's something will take a while to heal paul so say in the next election a republican has not
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voted in again and they democrats get their act together and it's a democratic president who is
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really pro canada i don't think we're going to jump into the deep end right away as a country after the
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pain of these last few years well yeah maybe not you know i and i agree it does live it leaves impacts
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at least scars yes but but okay right put that aside for a minute five percent tears right all the
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things we're being told not absolutely true so you know we're being told specific you know 50 here and
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that there but we're not really talking about the overall truth and how we're doing in comparison
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to other countries so i want to put that and i think i think you got to give you know i'll criticize
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you know me i'll criticize anyone if i don't agree with them and i'll debate but i have to give them
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some credit they have left us with an effective tax rate of five percent so say what you want about
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america right they have right you know they from a military perspective i just want to hit on that i did a
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show uh another show with the fraser institute crew um great episode it was a great episode and i
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enjoyed it with very much with charlotte and the crew uh the u.s spend a trillion dollars on defense
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right we're spending 30 billion billion yeah right so you know a million people you know we're trying to
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struggle with like 60 so a thousand so you know we have a and and at the end of the day what we found
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out in that interview is that most of our commitments that we made in nato meetings recently
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don't hold much water so you know spain has already bailed on the whole five percent concept and
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has also made so given where we're at right now and all those things it it does kind of ask the question
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and that was the question that came up there can you criticize them for asking the question now
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given the arctic and everything going on are you guys able to put together your own defense
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and are you able to sustain as a country because one of the things you have to do now is you have to
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get serious about doing those things now you know sometimes you can yell squirrel and a bunch of
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people run over and attack tariffs and go you know elbows up and all that good stuff and they they buy a
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hat they give themselves names like you know this and that and they try to become champions right that's
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great right awesome stuff right good pr where's the plan where's the plan that says where is canada going
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in its independence where is it going in soft lumber where is it going in metals all the things that
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we're hearing every day now that's fine right but you know i know being a builder i'm still going i'm
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still going to home depot or i'm going to rona i'm going to my lumber yard right still paying you know
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350 to 385 a two by four an eight footer i'm still seeing the u.s paying a little more than that
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so like where are we going on all these fronts like what's the plan and how much money like we
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always run to this okay they're tariff now let's go give them you know some type of subsidy let's give
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them 1.2 billion okay great right what are we giving them 1.2 billion for are we giving them 1 2 billion to
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keep people employed are we keep giving are we giving 1.2 billion to keep investors whole or because
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right now it says we're giving 1.2 billion to soft lumber for loans and grants not employment loans and
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grants so i don't know what that means i guess we're going to find more out but i sure would like to
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before we did that figure out where they sat and could they sustain without i'm going to play devil's
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advocate i there's things about mark carney i like and i don't like he's a well-educated accomplished
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individual no matter what you think about the man he can't take away his resume it's impressive
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in defense of him and the canadian government right now things are happening so fast with an
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erratic u.s president who seems to make things up every day on the go that i wonder how easy it is to
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plan and i don't disagree with you paul there should be a plan but if there was at least a few
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weeks where the powers that be could get together and put together a comprehensive plan without
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something changing every day it would help i know the first minister's conference they had recently
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there was some good out of that alberta saskatchewan ontario are gung-ho to build a pipeline
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to the james bay region and ship gas and oil to europe great that'd be great for the canadian economy
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but the we manitoba hasn't signed on yet so that that's where as a leader as a prime minister as
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a government they have to get everyone on board say this is for the good of the country and the tax
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revenue is not just gonna it's gonna help manitoba and everyone else because the faster they do
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something like that the better it is for everyone oh yeah that's a plan yeah yeah but isn't that part
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of being a great leader you know yes you you know you said very accomplished and i i agree right
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but your success is based on how many things you as a government or as a leader and government is
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how many things you can coordinate and make happen and execute right and and to me that is really one
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of the key things that i think we're facing right now we're spending all our time you said you know
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how can i plan okay the ambassador was very clear the other you know was very clear he he sat down and
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he said listen your effective tax is only five percent we have a lot of issues coming up look
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at you know look at he fed tim cook his lunch yesterday right yeah you know and good for him
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he got apple to bow down to him and actually you know spend what three billion dollars more in the us
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some crazy number so you know he's busy making his country thrive now that's his job it's his job
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that his success will not be whether canada as well his success will not be monitored or
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or uh measured by how we do so he's out there doing what he needs to do for the republican party in the
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united states of america government so he's doing what he needs to do so you got to remember that he's
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making all that happen so you know that's the measure of success for him and and the the ambassador
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said i'll get back to canada or we'll get back to canada when we've got the other things done because
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you guys are okay you got the lowest tariff rate so that would to me if i'm a leader here i would turn
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and i'd say to myself okay right i get it so you know i got 700 or whatever number of forest fires going
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in throughout canada right now i got smoke inundating other countries right the us our neighbor some of the
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worst air quality in the world some of the worst air quality in the world hey you know what i have
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an opportunity to create a program that will employ thousands of men and women um to go you know
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clear brush and and get back to doing a program that we should have been doing before we made all
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those cuts and we've heard all those crazy things you know that decimates acres and acres that will
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never regrow um and we can fix that so let's let's take some of those people in the soft lumber industry
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and let's get them over working let's make sure to help those companies transition over
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that makes sense to me that is a good program to fund and and make happen just putting money out
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there and saying okay i'm now going to fund an industry i'm not sure that that works right and
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paul if i'm carney in the government actually i would be championing the fact that the us ambassador
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said that he said that our negotiators are doing a good job he said that our effective tariff rate is
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five percent that would calm a lot of canadians down maybe pull the um intensity back for a lot
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of people saying hey look we're doing our best listen to what the us ambassador said effective
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rate is five percent he said our negotiators are doing a great job and let's plan in making it better
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and maybe the future is uh some reliance in the us some reliance in europe some reliance other places
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and it's i mean i don't know any business that puts all their chips in the table and expect it
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always to hit 21 every hand that's i think that in in the end it could be a good thing for canada
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to have a more diversified economic stream with money coming from different parts of the world if
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if we stop yelling squirrel or in our case tariff let's let's do this i agree let's agree let's let's
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take the word tariff yeah for 30 days let's take it out of our vocabulary and we don't use it anymore
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i challenge i'll make a challenge out there let's remove the word for 30 let's do 90 days so we can
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lease and then that'll be interesting to see so we're not going to talk about anymore so what we're
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going to do is we're going to actually start making plans how to survive right affected industries
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change the economy for the better diversify the economy yeah look what they did they finally
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opened up that long-awaited liquid natural gas depot in bc and now it's being shipped to japan where
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they're desperate for it they are and those pan pacific asian countries had been crying to canada
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for years eight years to get that liquid natural gas shipping to them now it's it's happening and we're
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eight years late to the party right but it's at least we the benefits are starting to come exactly we
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should we should accelerate that now because unfortunately by being behind eight years we
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opened the doors for a lot of other countries who saw they they saw it was a great revenue generator
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and they've jumped on it and now they're hustling it right so so i agree don't use the word we won't
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use the t word for 30 days yeah let's hammer out a deal to get a pipeline from alberta to james bay
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use as doug ford said i'll give him credit use ontario steel and use quebec aluminum and build a
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massive port deep water port and ship oil and gas to europe what about a military plan that
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incorporates our production and manufacturing well you know how easy that could be there is a company
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called rochelle in mississauga yeah and they build i know them state-of-the-art armored cars that our
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government has bought to ship to ukraine and they are saving saving lives the chassis and the engine are
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built in oakville on the basis of the ford f550 heavy duty truck our canadian military could easily
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use a thousand of them and be distributed to army units and reserve units across the country and they
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would take them with open arms yeah yeah well remember yeah i don't know you know desert storm
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up in in london we used to do all the heavy armory tanks and on the in the locomotive division up in
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london right we are really good builders very good we are but for some reason right we say you know
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we're now it's okay let's dedicate some money to military we have plants in canada so great let's
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go let's go uh you want to do submarines you want to do boats you want to do you know we got aircraft
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hangers that are sitting empty let's get out there you know and so let's redirect that steel and
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aluminum into uh businesses that we have to get going and but here's the problem right you can
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keep pointing at the other guy you can keep saying squirrel or tariff in this case and and pointing
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every time something happens to you you know how how many more meetings do we need to have how many
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more let's have another meeting of everyone let's do an uh an emergency cabinet thing let's do come on
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now right come on now one of the great effective things to do with a bully paul ignore them yeah
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ignore them and you do your own thing yeah and also they become irrelevant yeah and then whatever trump
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says we're like well okay we're we're good yep we you know we've worked our problems out we're doing
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this this and this we have money coming in from different economies in different parts of the world
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we're building our revenue uh our employment's going down we're building more we're okay that's fine
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yeah and we don't have to use the t word and it's less you know the squirrel reaction yeah yeah well
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you know i don't think and and let's stop honestly i you know i i get it and i think the ambassador makes
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a good point right he he just said you know making a big deal about buying fruit and making a big deal
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about traveling you know doing the anthem all that stuff it's a little silly given you're paying the
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lowest tariffs so if they you know we live beside them i think at this point we got to kind of where
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they are our neighbor you know for if you like it or don't like it they are really our protection
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you know if anything ever did happen you know that's the only defense we do have at this juncture
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and they have been for the last 50 years paul yeah so you know you can criticize them all you want
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but at the end of the day they're they are what they are right so and i think we do need to separate
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american politicians in the white house and american people i have friends and family in
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america i've traveled extensively i live there my dad was in the military or posted there there are some
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great people that would do anything but you can't i don't i think as canadians we can't equate all 350
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million americans with the strange guy in the orange hair in the white house oh yeah no no and that's
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again it's negotiating too right so we have 2026 we have the uh cosmo usmca agreement coming up all
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this is a little bit of that too right it's a bunch of pre-prep for negotiating an agreement
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and there will be some pain felt in that and we will see that i think we all understand that
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by that but by that time if we're smart now we actually parked the tariff word the squirrel we
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actually i didn't think you were going to say it but park it on the side yeah park it i'm sorry
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park it on the side right the t word and park it on the side and get moving on some other plans and
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then get you know and that makes sense but i i'd be truthful i don't want to talk about like if every
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time a tariff comes and we say we're going to prop up this industry then i have a problem with that
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because that's not a plan throwing money like it's very easy to say you know i i just met with the
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leaders and i'm going to loan them a billion dollars okay great you know the next question
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i have where's the billion dollars you know where's the billion dollars coming from last year
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we're 60 billion in the hole in deficits we're at 1 trillion in total debt we have a crazy amount
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of interest we pay every day we're a small country so i don't i think i just want to give
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everyone i wake up i think everyone knows that we have a big land mass we're the second biggest
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land mass in the world yep we have a very small population we have energy rich we're we have great
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things but quite frankly we don't have the capabilities to throw around the b word anymore
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so the b word the b word was something we threw around during covet we got all used to it you know
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everyone said billion like it was you know they they had a show on tv that was you know called billions
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yeah we all watched it we all got really used to it and then next thing you know we're throwing
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billions you know we're giving money to this country giving money to that country time out now
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right we got to kind of retract we got to go back we got to start looking at you know the day
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of inter-provincial inter-municipal transfers you know we're at 190 billion dollars of provincial
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municipal transfers right now it's all going to end at some point right the only good of all of this
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paul to be honest with you is it forced the country and the premiers and the provinces it's
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been talked about for years to tear down into provincial trade barriers to start thinking making
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it easier for business in ontario to business in alberta and vice versa to to actually be a country
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for years you couldn't even buy a bottle of wine from bc that was illegal but it was only it was totally
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legal to buy wine from california yes so that did never made sense no so through all of this if
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there's any good paul it's bringing some common sense to the canadian economy the canadian government
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legislation maybe cutting red tape and maybe opening our eyes to things that we need to do better to make
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our country more insular and more protected against anything like this in the future yeah no no i'm with
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you i'm with you you know and another show another day but uh we should actually uh uh
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talk about it you know in obama you know it's kind of an obama line right like we only need so many
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professions in certain areas you know the there's certain things we need in this country and certain
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things we don't we need more entrepreneurs so what we need we need to actually open up uh loan
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capabilities for people to start businesses and sectors that are now deficient and isn't that better
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use of a billion dollars than giving it to big big companies already have it well it's interesting so
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china so 20 years ago president china uh goes to japan and he has a meeting with the japanese says
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what's causing you to be so successful and he's jealous right he's totally blown away by it right
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and he goes into a secret meeting the japanese i don't know if you have any japanese friends but
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i've worked with them before they're great and you know the during the day they work really hard
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and at night they have fun they party and everything karaoke and stuff and usually get the truth out of them
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at the end right because you know you're having fun and so he goes out and he has a big night on the
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town uh with the president and the secret of the success is they set up funding for small entrepreneurs
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throughout the country and he went back to china and he set up small uh banks throughout the country that
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actually uh spearheaded a full redevelopment of the country and an economic boom that was never seen
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before so and you know we as canadians need to think about that we need to start spending more
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time getting more people you know these young people we have now are you know they're brilliant
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they know ai they're very intelligent right we need to see them to get going into industries so that
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you know and and i think they'll be well fitted for it because they have the intelligence you know to
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run businesses do accounting you uh they have high i.t uh skills they're going to be the people that
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help us develop this country and and that's what we should be focusing on now in this time when we're
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going to stop using the t word and we're going to start figuring out ways not to incentivize the same
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big industries that got caught in this kind of jam of depending on the us it's great you know great sell
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your products to the us i get it right i would do it too you get us dollars right the foreign exchange
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gain is amazing you're selling it at the same price again two by fours soft lumber into the u.s
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man if i can sell all my lumber into the u.s and sell it at the same price i'm selling it now you're
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making a profit yeah yeah i'm selling it in u.s dollars right so i'm killing it my my foreign exchange
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gain is actually uh the same as my income tax liability it can't be that can you no craps you're
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paying no tax so you're really running a business at no tax because you're foreign exchange gain
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so i'm loving that idea and who wouldn't i don't blame them sir but if that goes away
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but paul i i love the concept of a a government fund for young entrepreneurs it brings the youth
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unemployment rate down they create income tax revenue jobs in the end not only does it pay for
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itself canada benefits sure benefits right so now so now i'm out of my basement i'm working i'm alive
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i'm buying i'm purchasing right quite frankly i've become more attractive to the opposite spouse
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because now i have high income i'm getting married right i'm having kids at some point it's creating
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the economy all the things that are you know uh lack of employment for youth and and lack of employment
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for people coming out of school right low birth rates low marriage rates all the things that are
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crippling our economy that we're trying to fill quite frankly with immigration programs that quite
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frankly are kind of struggling because of of the way the world is around right so you know that's
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the challenge right now it's we have to face it and that's part of the the you know as the t word goes
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away that's all the things you got to face to make it all work and the more we say the t word the less
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we focus on all those things the core things that could make a difference yes loans for young entrepreneurs
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making sure we have a diversified economy making sure we understand what is really happening in the
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business world of the country yeah the tough things look yeah i mean unfortunately we're being forced to
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ask tough questions now paul right well no and can i say something yes please no and i and i you know
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before we finish i just wanted to hit this right please please right and this is kind of a plea to the
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government right now right we don't need any more trips abroad right we don't need we don't need them
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we don't need them we need everyone to stay home right like first thing let's figure out how to get
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the wildfires out right yeah yeah let's not go i don't think we need to take we don't need to have
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another meeting of the all these groups of politicians we need any things let's seriously put some elbow
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grease into getting the fires out getting things out of control right and and you know because
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that's important and then let's get rid of the t word stay home and start to work you know roll up
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our sleeves and start to work on some programs to get it working again because you know flying around
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having meetings you know let's totally blunt you can fly to any country in the world those countries
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right now because of the u.s the way trump has acted and the way trump is he's had his own problems he's
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you know trillions of dollars going in debt he's struggling with his own economy to get it going
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forget him the other countries have the same problem you can try to go there and do a trade
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deal on something more than likely you're going to not be successful because quite frankly they're
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trying to figure out the same thing right they're nationalistic they're going to try to figure out how
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to save their own economy so let's get to the you know let's focus at home let's get these things
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going up we're a small country we can do it we're a small country we can do it and we have done it
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yes we've done it before when we had less people less resources less brain power yeah we've proven
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it time and time again i just recently read pierre burton's famous book the last spike 1880s hand
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built a railway across the country through the bc mountains which is elbow grease and manpower when
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everyone said it couldn't be done time and time again canada's done stuff like that it does but for
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some reason we got kind of over our skis and we we started thinking we were this big country you
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know we we got into this kind of mindset of we're a huge country and we have billions of dollars and
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we can start helping out other countries and we can start funding people and and you know we got to
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go abroad and have these you know these big sessions and uh that's not who we are we we fell out of the g7
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a long time ago right we're a g30 or whatever we're not even in that anymore so yeah you know we gotta
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just let's go let's come back home let's focus on domestic policy for a while let's get the
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domestic policy working let's get the economy moving at home and then we can start to have
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conversations with others you know what paul you're a smart man i don't know about that
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a pleasure my friend thank you thank you thank you thank you jim