True Patriot Love - September 24, 2025


Canada's Political Reset： Can Carney Deliver or Is It All Talk？


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00:00:00.000 well here we go summer has drawn to a close and on september 15th our politicians go back to work
00:00:11.940 what will they get up to when they get back well joining me to my right anthony fury and paul
00:00:17.360 macucci across from me uh for a quick discussion on what we think the priorities of the prime
00:00:23.640 minister will be as we head back to uh back to parliament yeah it's got to be budget mike i think
00:00:31.040 really at this point you know he's dodged the bullet this long you know he hasn't given us a budget we
00:00:37.300 haven't even seen the financials the annual report for 2025 so in my mind right the first priority is
00:00:44.500 for him to lay it out and tell us exactly where he's gonna you know put the monies but i you know
00:00:50.000 where is he going to put the budget i guess the priority is what you're asking where are like
00:00:55.260 you know he's got a myriad of issues right security crime you know our legal system blowing up in the
00:01:01.980 middle of it you know uh politics uh defense um energy you know is he going to do any projects
00:01:09.120 so you know your guess is mine it's interesting over the past few episodes uh all of those topics
00:01:16.120 have kind of been hit with what will carney do what are your thoughts anthony how does he how does
00:01:21.040 he arrive back into a parliament or i guess really into parliament for the first time if it was to be
00:01:26.120 yeah an honest statement oh my god that's what i was going to pick up on because the most noteworthy
00:01:30.220 thing right now is that it's happening you know we had this guy become prime minister didn't know too
00:01:34.640 much about him didn't know exactly what he'd be up to and then he calls an election right away which
00:01:39.260 is fine because he needed to get a mandate because he he'd only just come back to canada from
00:01:43.560 wherever it was in the world that he was hanging out the past number of years so he says that's a
00:01:47.820 great point he says i gotta get the people's mandate he wins the leadership he's prime minister
00:01:51.780 for a day or two and says okay we're gonna call an election and he does it there had not been any
00:01:56.220 sittings of parliament since then we have not had them sit so these new mps all the new mps elected
00:02:01.740 they've not been in the house of commons yet they've gone and they sort of sworn in and they've
00:02:05.400 done the oath of office stuff and gotten a little photo op there yeah uh getting introduced but
00:02:09.780 there hasn't been really uh a long period of sitting you look at the calendar it starts in
00:02:14.400 september they're going to get a bunch of weeks in until they break for christmas so this is the
00:02:18.920 first real chunk of time where to paul's point you're going to get to tackle some of the big
00:02:23.260 issues that ail the country what is it going to be in terms of an approach and then there's another
00:02:28.240 individual who's who's now back in the pack he was kind of kicked out of the house for a bit
00:02:32.380 we thought initially he was going to be the prime minister he would be in charge pierre polyev
00:02:37.040 things did not turn out the way that he had hoped and he was even removed from his own seat now he's
00:02:42.020 won that election in alberta so he's coming back and he's going to be really champing at the bit to
00:02:46.940 go and take a shot at mark carney and just really uh take him down a peg and so forth but how's that
00:02:52.760 going to unfold as well so we have policy and we have personality and those are going to be the two
00:02:57.980 big driving things from september to december to set the tone the tone of what are they going to deal
00:03:03.780 with and how are they going to conduct themselves it's not a huge majority really uh that's running
00:03:10.260 the country at the moment and so what happens i think once things get back to work in ottawa
00:03:15.640 there's going to be a lot of uh dissent a lot of uh volleying be and and that makes me wonder
00:03:24.120 what kind of challenges the prime minister is going to have up against a pretty full house
00:03:30.080 uh only basically half of which is his yeah well you know that's uh and anthony was kind of
00:03:37.440 on it right from the top the ndp right so we don't have a leader and it was kind of funny they waited
00:03:44.040 the summer and you know this week they said well now we need a leader right so you know it's like
00:03:50.280 well yeah we took the summer off right you know they knew their predicament they waited the whole
00:03:55.080 summer they saw jack meet singh working out doing his hair tying his turban every day and still they
00:04:01.320 didn't realize he's gone he's retired so then you know so then they they sent this letter out to
00:04:07.020 everyone saying hey if you want to be the leader here's what you need to do right and who you need
00:04:11.920 to be and that was kind of odd and so now you know we're we're going back into the house of comments
00:04:18.060 uh kind of you know short that party for sure uh because we knew they had a crumbling when they fell
00:04:24.440 apart during the election um but you know the the interesting part of it too is you know in this
00:04:30.680 do you actually uh pull a trudeau and you go and try to reach an agreement with another party uh you
00:04:37.440 know like the liberals did before um and will that fly you know that's the other thing you got to think
00:04:42.400 about the strategy there is there any strategy is the strategy gone like can you pull something like
00:04:49.900 that will canadians be up for it given the uh general election and the total vote count um being
00:04:56.120 so even in the country or is anyone up for that anymore and i think the awareness that came from
00:05:01.140 this election probably negates the ability to do some of that i think before when the trudeau government
00:05:07.080 was in probably no one was paying attention no one realized we were sort of in this weird dire
00:05:13.860 straits position that we are now so they weren't paying attention so you could do some of that you
00:05:18.600 good reach agreements no one contested that no one thought much of it it kind of talked about a
00:05:23.740 little bit is that even legal did anyone really right you know hit on it and uh and they didn't
00:05:28.820 but now i think the awareness is really heightened do you think that the scrutiny will change uh do you
00:05:34.920 think there's enough scrutiny to make change uh you know in this government i i don't know if i share
00:05:41.920 paul's optimism fully that people are in the game right now i mean i think he's right that people are
00:05:47.020 are very much more engaged in some respects but i think you can still pull these maneuvers off if
00:05:54.380 they want to uh it was funny they remember they called the coalition the supply and confidence
00:05:59.080 agreement and then there was a time where i mean i had the experience where if you'd write a column
00:06:02.620 and say coalition they'd send you an email oh we have a correction it's not a coalition it's i'll call
00:06:07.040 it whatever i want to call it it's a supply and confidence agreement as if it's like a legal thing
00:06:12.120 that exists no we're going to use the real name i'll say i'll say whatever i want to say about this
00:06:16.840 uh that this unholy alliance that you've put together but then the question is is the ndp going
00:06:22.420 to want to pal around with carney that much more because justin trudeau is a pretty pretty left-wing
00:06:26.840 guy so there was not much of a need for the ndp he kind of he he was the ndp yeah and then
00:06:32.380 jagmeet singh and him were fellow travelers on things carney he's obviously not as conservative of
00:06:37.460 as as you know blue blood conservatives would like him to be but he's also mr wall street mr
00:06:43.180 central banker mr brookfield point which is not a very ndp thing no so whether the public
00:06:48.460 you know some will buy it some won't will the ndp buy it i wonder that and when you're in a
00:06:54.100 leadership race is when you get most extreme i think core to your roots and principles because
00:06:59.220 the people who run they run not for the general electorate but to fire up the base the base is not
00:07:04.140 interested in mr brookfield i i think it may be tough i mean to your point who's who's going to
00:07:09.760 be buying it and it's a different different mix of people so i'm not so sure but but he's got to pass
00:07:14.560 the legislation i mean what ways he's at i know 169 or something he needs three or four votes he'll get
00:07:20.640 the votes right on most of the major bills the question is how are they formal alliances how does it
00:07:27.600 happen i'd be curious to see who is and i don't even know who is the most uh likely candidate to
00:07:35.680 take over the ndp and that's an indicator in itself that that party has very little play in this country
00:07:42.580 uh if at all certainly in this province i've got to ask it's kind of an irrelevant question to your
00:07:48.020 point like who's going to run the ndp who cares doesn't matter right so uh okay so now let me ask you
00:07:53.260 this uh paul i know your opinion on this uh the economy is something that you keep an eye on you're
00:07:58.840 a little touchy about budget uh and in fact accountability so do you think that uh carney
00:08:05.560 arrives with accountability on the trudeau uh spending previously and do you think we get a
00:08:12.580 really clear understanding of what we're spending moving forward oh so far no right i think uh he hasn't
00:08:21.260 shown that he wants to participate in that active discussion i think he's going to have to you know
00:08:26.980 of course he's got to get a budget on the table he's got to figure it out i i think he's got a
00:08:31.140 number one he's got to go through uh first of all you know what is he going to do uh with the military
00:08:37.880 security defense i think he's got all those issues he's got to tackle he went out and made a big
00:08:42.420 promise right off the hop he got over into nato he said five percent we had that mike and i had a great
00:08:48.860 discussion uh with the fraser institute people and they basically said it was non-binding so now
00:08:56.140 he has to kind of is he a man of his word is he is he not is he going to hedge that how is he going
00:09:02.160 to hedge it so he's got to figure that piece out that's a huge piece i'm pretty sure he's going to
00:09:06.560 hand the money over he spent the uh summer going around saying that uh ukraine's battle is our battle
00:09:13.660 their war is our war and he seemed to be dropping off money wherever he could uh to make an impression
00:09:20.040 globally i know but can you afford it that's the problem right now right the the the issue is
00:09:25.300 becoming you know you've seen the gdp drop uh that we've seen in the last quarter now i know it's you
00:09:30.960 know i'm going to talk about it later today but i know that's kind of smoothed over from previous
00:09:35.680 periods but it does show some indication that we're actually seeing some softening with the
00:09:40.520 unemployment numbers so you know and so how does he deal with that i think he's got to tackle that
00:09:47.140 the defense issue he's got the budget issue with costs and his government uh growth that he's seen
00:09:53.360 over the years and expansion of government making up you know the biggest part of his government
00:09:58.500 expenditure is government so he's got to deal with that issue and then quite frankly you know he's got
00:10:04.620 uh major projects that he hasn't tackled so right now if he's going to tackle some pipelines if he's
00:10:11.560 going to tackle any of the major projects that we need in the country right now he's got to put
00:10:16.380 aside some money that and budget for it he's a big time banker anthony what do you think his strategy is
00:10:23.900 do you think he has one that is money that's what the big time bankers do i guess that is true and i think
00:10:29.460 that might be part of the solution uh presented to us uh over the next few months i would imagine
00:10:35.160 that we hear that to bolster our economy and get things moving that we're going to end up printing
00:10:39.360 more money but let's tie in you know what paul was saying and and you you sort of open with the bit of
00:10:44.720 a joke you know paul's a bit touchy about uh you know needing the budget and so forth and you know to
00:10:49.340 think we should only have to get that perspective from someone who's an expert in accounting i think we
00:10:53.200 should all be like very touchy about the budget particularly when you've got a bankers don't worry
00:10:59.240 i'm the banker i've got it all under control great so you're going to be the one on day one who gives
00:11:04.500 us like a full ledger sheet best budget we've ever had right oh no instead we don't we don't even get
00:11:10.560 a budget from this guy should he be the one who's who's most excelling at delivering what you're
00:11:15.740 talking about sure yeah no you know former accountant i know that would be the that's my
00:11:20.260 wheelhouse um and you know we can talk about printing money so let's talk about that you know for a
00:11:25.200 minute because that's another issue right we can we can't go and we've talked about it previously we
00:11:30.500 can't go bore our borrowing capability is going to go down so we get that right so as our boring
00:11:36.400 capability goes down we're going to be printing money but printing money has ramifications and
00:11:41.220 we're seeing it right now i don't know if you guys have picked up in the last couple days but
00:11:45.060 france is becoming a nightmare yeah they're uh on the brink of bankruptcy overall uh and and by the
00:11:52.400 ways with all the same markers we have as a country yeah leading in high immigration uh high
00:11:58.080 unemployment uh printing money right uh housing issues so like all these symptoms of these countries
00:12:06.120 that went for the high immigration increased immigration coming out of covid to actually make
00:12:12.040 up for your labor force to increase your economy are now showing the cracks of of a strategy that
00:12:18.620 didn't work right it was a faulty strategy it didn't and you know we can go into it there's a
00:12:23.860 big long show on immigration but you know quite frankly that immigration strategy only worked a few
00:12:31.740 times in in the history of the world where mass immigration worked really well and it has to be
00:12:37.420 lined up perfectly or it is horrifically bad for for uh countries and and the world so it's shown
00:12:46.040 through times that that's the case and he's facing that now he's facing the cracks in immigration so
00:12:51.180 but then the other issue is but we're seeing that there's a plan on track to bring in what will total
00:12:58.460 a half million asylum seeking immigrants and if that number is correct i'm not sure that that's i don't
00:13:07.740 think that it's already working frankly i think that we have so many disappointed immigrants here we have
00:13:13.160 so many ramifications on how fast it happened and yet we still see that line headed toward a higher
00:13:19.940 number well because we have to make the case that we need housing right so if you stop immigration
00:13:24.860 you can't keep saying i need housing because you don't have immigration so it's it's a slippery slope
00:13:30.760 right you're creating you're you're increasing the inflow in the borders to actually create
00:13:36.820 development with developers and housing so i understand the philosophy the philosophy is faulty
00:13:42.620 because quite frankly the people you're bringing in are not creating the economy to buy those houses
00:13:48.680 right so now you're down to rental properties you see asylum seekers have the kind of cash required
00:13:54.740 to be in the housing market and make a difference but again you know back in the 40s and the 50s when
00:14:01.400 we saw people coming in from europe who had skilled trades quite frankly they were people who could
00:14:06.280 land on their feet quickly they could make income in a few years they were in the mortgage world and
00:14:11.140 they were moving right that's not the immigrant we're seeing now so unfortunately most of those
00:14:16.340 people have kind of passed and the people we're seeing now are mostly unskilled workers who we
00:14:20.660 have to train when they get there that have a longer curve to get up that curve to get into that
00:14:25.020 right so but he's got it again we can go into the depth of it the issue is that he's got to figure
00:14:32.560 out that immigration strategy to tie to his budget and that budget has to tie to housing which then if
00:14:39.520 housing slows down the housing bubble pops is worse on the horizon you know uh the housing minister uh
00:14:48.200 today um in toronto it was talking basically about the condo bubble ended bursting right now so he knows
00:14:56.760 he knows the condo bubble is going to burst relatively soon it's bursting now so how do you adjust for
00:15:03.280 that um what happens when that recorrects um it's a big issue and not just in in uh one province but
00:15:11.140 really it's it's a national uh epidemic of condo uh crash um prices across the country soared uh americans
00:15:20.460 laugh at us constantly about what we pay uh what we get for a million dollars in in canada as opposed to
00:15:26.920 what you get for a million dollars uh just about anywhere in america anthony crime seems to be on
00:15:33.780 the increase i'm not imagining this i just had a long weekend where every single time that i saw the
00:15:40.220 news um it was more horrific than than the last time i checked this has to be a focus of our government
00:15:48.420 when we get back what do you think is going to happen on that front well it may not be and that
00:15:53.700 that's the wild thing because to your point labor day long weekend families get together what do they
00:15:57.680 talk about they talk about some of the big things that are in the news and budget personal budget
00:16:03.020 personal spending the economy they're talking about that how can i pay my bills so that's a big focus
00:16:07.860 and then number two will be wow did you see the story of that father in vaughn who was killed at
00:16:13.300 point blank range as his children watched wow did you hear about that guy in welland who'd just gotten
00:16:18.700 out of jail on bail or whatnot shouldn't have even been out there and then he did things and
00:16:22.560 i know you know we're both long-time broadcasters you know when there's a crime that's done
00:16:26.280 when you even feel like can i summarize this on air does this even is this against like broadcasting
00:16:32.180 standards the crime that's committed and well and the the sexual violation of the minor and everything
00:16:37.680 you're like you're like how can i even present feel as a human being comfortable talking like
00:16:42.000 say recapping this and that's what everyone's talking about now but then you have uh minister sean
00:16:48.120 fraser kind of making light of it mark carney i don't think he's going to want to talk about crime
00:16:53.120 because there's it factors into so many of the big picture issues that paul's alluding to
00:16:57.640 in terms of how we're structuring obviously the justice system but economic matters immigration and
00:17:03.100 so forth well the justice system you touch on that many of these crimes are being committed by people who
00:17:08.000 are have basically been released that would normally be in jail in any normal society and they're out
00:17:14.700 they're reoffending and yet we've had some weird rulings recently that have come out where the
00:17:19.000 judges have said i've got to give the person a lighter sentence because if i give them a higher
00:17:23.800 sentence it affects their immigration status and they might risk deportation and you're like
00:17:28.440 what how and you're like okay good that like shouldn't that be what happens like if you're you you
00:17:35.780 know you violate and i don't think that guy was it was an immigrant or pr but you know you you do
00:17:40.480 sexual violation of a child okay and you're deported like i'm kind of okay with that and a judge is
00:17:46.540 saying well hold on we got to do a ruling here such that like this guy isn't kicked out of the
00:17:50.540 country because because what because we care about this guy no no we don't care about the kid like
00:17:55.760 what what's happening here but but let's let's you know and then we jump to let's uh put in the
00:18:01.600 castle laws right which i get i understand why people are saying that but quite frankly you know
00:18:07.380 now we've gone down the road now we're trying to actually take care of the problem so not the cause
00:18:12.660 anymore we're now at the problem so now we're implementing castle laws to arm people to actually
00:18:18.580 protect their castles right so we're saying it's okay which i get you know and i understand but
00:18:23.940 that's a whole slippery slope right yeah that's a different society it's a different well and i lived
00:18:29.140 there i you know and i was in the states for 12 years i understand what open carry castle protect your
00:18:35.500 property is all about it's not as simple i think you know we're having a lot of people jump to you
00:18:41.900 know jump into action to try to make these brave statements it's not as simple as i just start with
00:18:47.520 the castle all right because and then it expands you know where does my castle end and stop does it
00:18:53.220 stop at my border of my property does it stop at my door does it stop when they're in my door you
00:18:58.900 know what can i do how far can i go what can i carry completely change gun laws then the next step
00:19:05.000 after that if it doesn't knock it down is okay now is it open carry is it concealed carry then that's
00:19:11.060 a whole other thing and you know i've been there i've been in states with open carry where i'm having
00:19:15.600 dinner where people are putting their six shooters on the table um you know i'm i'm been in states
00:19:21.480 where quite frankly there's been mass shootings going on where i'm having dinner and everyone's hiding
00:19:26.560 under the table and pulling their weapons uh so you know that's a whole other uh can of worms
00:19:33.180 that we're starting to wish for yeah but how can we meet in the middle on it because i think like
00:19:37.000 okay from a father's perspective as someone in the gta yeah i want to know okay middle of the night
00:19:41.800 somebody just gets in the house they run up the stairs to like the floor that the kids are on
00:19:46.160 and i want to think like okay this guy's run up the stairs he's got some knife or whatever
00:19:50.620 that i can just kick him and then let's say he falls down the stairs let's say he breaks his neck and
00:19:55.200 he's paralyzed or he dies or he doesn't die but i want to think people go okay well the guy was run
00:19:59.460 up the stairs to to you know kill the kids so he kicked him down the stairs all right like i wasn't
00:20:05.040 trying to kill the guy but he died so what i feel like in others in other times i would go yeah
00:20:10.200 whatever i got to do what i got to do now i'm even thinking gee i got to protect the kids in the short
00:20:15.000 term protect this guy well no but i got to protect the kids in the short term but i've also got to
00:20:19.260 protect them in the long term right because if i kick him down the stairs i'm going to jail
00:20:23.440 and i'm the breadwinner so if i go to jail i'm not making money the kids are going to be destitute i'm like
00:20:28.080 how do i manage this maybe do i do i just tickle the guy like what do i do do i just like you know
00:20:33.320 do i run all like that down like there's gotta be because that's what i think invader well that's
00:20:38.960 what people are thinking right now like you have to like you have to do a calculation in your head
00:20:43.100 in the moment when you've done nothing wrong but you're you're trying to figure out like what's the
00:20:48.320 middle ground here i i get it and i'm totally with you i think the question we have to ask ourself
00:20:53.480 is why are we here now so you know we weren't here grew up here right we all did never had these
00:21:00.700 issues if you heard of a weapons incident when i was a kid yeah it was a province wide it was front
00:21:09.200 page it was a big deal it was on television um it's interesting this weekend i was following up on a
00:21:16.500 a social media post about uh a double break in in one week in oakville ontario uh this poor family
00:21:23.400 got invaded twice in one week right and i could not for the life of me find that anywhere in the
00:21:29.900 regular news so okay and that's and i get you i think the question we don't have to get into the
00:21:36.480 all the details of it the question i think we got to ask ourself is how do we get here and if we can't
00:21:42.240 get out of here so in other words if we can't go and make this better and put some laws in place
00:21:47.580 and enforcement and prisons and incarcerations then we are at the castle law so but but then i think
00:21:55.620 you can't be there because there's so many steps to being prepared to have castle law the laws have
00:22:02.000 to change the weapons laws have to change the perception of people has to change oh my goodness
00:22:07.400 could you imagine turning that around in this nation it would be so difficult but then what
00:22:12.320 you get then is vigilante justice exactly exactly people don't believe in the justice system so we
00:22:17.080 don't have castle law but people i'm still going to do open carry because the police don't come when
00:22:21.720 you call them and and the bad guys have rights so i got to do what i got to do to protect my family
00:22:26.820 and i think that's where and it's not happening yet but that's where people's headspace goes the
00:22:30.640 decline of society once that happens by the way by definition if you look at society over the the
00:22:35.720 span of history society starts to fall when they don't feel protected by their police force and
00:22:42.180 their government their military case in point yeah national guard comes into the nation's capital right
00:22:46.580 yeah so but those are all again you know nice to haves and i hate to go back to budgeting again but
00:22:54.220 you know crime is an interesting one because if we're going to put money into it money has to come
00:22:59.400 from somewhere else now to like there's no again we can print money we thought we just started down that
00:23:05.160 path but then inflation you know do we become uh venezuela at some point you know we talked about
00:23:12.080 france running into a problem now you know they were ahead of us on the debt curve um per population
00:23:17.660 france france quite quite frankly has a higher gdp per capita high g higher gdp total and uh higher ppp gdp
00:23:27.540 so quite frankly as a as a producing country it is higher and more productive than us and it's
00:23:34.540 hitting this curve that's not good right now so if you look at that you look at these countries that
00:23:39.780 have just kept printing money you have to pick programs now whatever you do in this budget
00:23:45.520 whatever you do in your priorities coming forward it has to produce gdp like whatever your projects are
00:23:52.740 they have to be profitable productive and produce something because if you make the mistake and go down
00:23:58.880 the wrong curve and do a bunch of projects that have no outcome that'll be the end of you know you
00:24:04.160 will shift into that gear and be one of those countries that the i am you know that they're
00:24:09.360 coming to bail out right you know one of the other uh areas that i think uh we have all felt a little
00:24:14.800 duped on and i think the carbon tax was the the the sort of tipping point on that they took it away
00:24:20.780 uh but it does make me think we need to do something on a resource level we have we are number four on
00:24:29.220 the list of most oil rich countries on earth we have some of the most valuable minerals that are
00:24:35.300 safely mined um we have natural gas and all of these resources that make me wonder why we pay much
00:24:42.900 so much for gas and with this kind of oil number four in the world yeah that our taxes are so high
00:24:50.880 that our inflation is so bad and that so many people um are unhoused this was in delaware on the
00:24:58.240 weekend right and uh they're paying 319 a gallon right and 80 what's that 80 cents a liter roughly or
00:25:05.260 yeah yeah wow yeah so you know there you are you know that's crazy and we're we're sending uh our
00:25:12.660 crude to them they're refining and sending it back to us right and we're paying you know it's going
00:25:17.160 down to montana and being shipped back so it goes we're paying the freight both ways yeah alberto
00:25:21.320 montana and back to us and we're paying more it makes no sense and you know we're talking about
00:25:27.180 printing money right soft lumber all the minerals uh gas all the things that we produce in this country
00:25:34.880 all the things that we're really good at right how about lowering them and creating a lower cost
00:25:40.380 base resource wise we can keep our labor rates the same there's nothing wrong like right now our
00:25:46.320 labor rates are not what's killing the country i know we've had lots of union strife in the country
00:25:51.460 this year which has been an indicator of unhappiness but um quite frankly we need to look at our resource
00:25:59.380 allocation and our usage of resources and our costing of resources like why why are we so hell-bent
00:26:05.420 on creating uh massive uh increases in resource costs for our citizens when we could be benefiting
00:26:13.200 so that's my question is how do we not turn these resources on ourselves yeah yeah what is what i think
00:26:20.380 we looked at what do they pay for gas in china oh it's uh 80 cents a liter yeah it was pretty much
00:26:27.580 it's like 80 cents a liter you know they've they've realized that they got to keep their resource
00:26:32.180 uh cost low because then they can actually produce products at a reasonable price moves more product
00:26:38.800 makes cheaper manufacturing more competitive globally so rather than going in you know we can go to other
00:26:45.320 countries and we can say take our resources and we'll let you produce our submarines but quite frankly
00:26:51.000 that's not the solution right we don't need to produce major military weapons in other countries we
00:26:58.140 produce them here we have the steel we have the materials to produce them we have the know-how we
00:27:03.580 have the people and the skills and then we actually uh use our resources at a reasonable cost
00:27:10.540 to build things almost 50 percent of canadians feel that we've been abandoned on health care almost entirely
00:27:18.220 the dissatisfaction rate that people feel about our health care in this country is worse than i've ever seen it
00:27:24.780 it was something that we were proud of when i was growing up that we had free health care and that it was
00:27:29.500 good and that everybody uh got access what is this government going to do about our health care
00:27:35.500 well the challenge is the challenge is when you looked at the budget so when we scrub the budgets
00:27:39.820 uh and we scrub the annual reports from 2024 our spending on health care is up there like it's it's
00:27:48.860 we're in the top five of the world as far as per capita why are wait times so long why does it take
00:27:54.780 forever to get an mri why are people dying of diseases that could have been early detected and
00:27:59.580 handled you know i did i did a podcast yesterday and the gentleman it was on it was on a criminal issue
00:28:05.740 and he just says we do not do a good job of prosecute prosecuting white collar fraud we do not do a
00:28:13.260 good job of efficiently running our health care it's it's a it's an efficiency issue we have to
00:28:18.940 be better at running our public services and more efficient and we just don't do a good job at it we
00:28:23.900 don't more accountability more reaction exactly that's really what it is it doesn't feel like it's
00:28:29.580 a money issue ever with our health care to be honest with you we seem to make it a priority as
00:28:33.660 you pointed out in the budget it's well we had no problem racking up i think you know the
00:28:37.980 the the canadian federation of taxpayers he was he was great when i met with franca he said listen we
00:28:44.380 spend 50 billion dollars on interest payments on our debt right now if we could just reduce that we
00:28:49.740 could uh by 5 billion dollars we could be producing a hospital five hospitals a year i'm starting to
00:28:56.860 detect a theme off of paul do you detect that theme anthony money does seem to be the problem we seem to
00:29:06.620 put ourselves into financial situations like we are a major global player when we're really a pretty
00:29:11.660 tiny country overall in the grand scheme of things uh yes everybody does pretty well here by comparison
00:29:19.100 but how do you guys feel that we are going to do on the uh international front what are international
00:29:26.700 affairs going to look like over the next three to five years we tell ourselves a few lies in canada
00:29:35.820 about our country and our national myth making that i think are all being exposed right now it's like
00:29:41.820 they say when the tide goes out you see you know which boats are in good shape and not and i think one
00:29:46.940 one unifying aspect of of these subjects that we're bringing up here so we're realizing we used to
00:29:53.020 tell sort of myths about immigration that just don't keep keep it all coming you know regardless all
00:29:57.820 volumes are fine but at a certain point if you don't have the infrastructure to support it it collapses
00:30:03.420 likewise with healthcare we always tell oh it's so good we don't have that awful american system that
00:30:08.060 american system is just terrible oh we got to protect the canadian one at all costs what are
00:30:12.220 we protecting the fact that millions of people don't have a family doctor that you go to the er and
00:30:17.340 you're waiting for incredible amounts of time that ers are shutting down hospitals are shutting down
00:30:22.060 all across the country and yet to your point mike we're putting more money into this than ever before and
00:30:27.900 then when you talk about foreign affairs in the world stage the one thing we've been kidding
00:30:32.140 ourselves on is is the relevance of our country and i think why we have to get more serious on so
00:30:37.980 many of these things is is to try and be a little bit more relevant as well to the world and then to
00:30:42.540 ourselves like canada is just not a player here so when mark carney says i'm gonna go meet with
00:30:47.420 zelensky well you know that's desperation that's like when the guy goes oh they don't like my new
00:30:52.060 music i gotta bring out the greatest hits kind of thing like i got oh zelensky that's a famous guy
00:30:56.540 okay i gotta go post for a photo with him maybe laugh i thought trudeau was the guy who would be
00:31:00.700 the the biggest lover of selfies uh in the history of mankind but as it turns out mark carney's is cut
00:31:06.300 from the same cloth cost us two billion dollars for that photo i believe all the myths are i think are
00:31:11.420 archie i don't say collapsing they're they're they're changing right now and i and i think we're
00:31:16.220 seeing uh an evolution in the way we're talking about this country i hope fingers crossed for the
00:31:20.860 better yeah remember i keep saying stay home let's stay home for a while get our
00:31:26.300 domestic policy cleaned up get our uh budgets get our you know our finances uh in order and then
00:31:34.060 let's go back out so when we're a safe well defended accountable country then we can go back up out onto
00:31:41.020 the world stage like we used to right and you know people saw us as responsible conservative or and i
00:31:48.140 don't mean conservative in a political perspective you know fiscal fiscally responsible and then we go
00:31:54.060 back out onto the world stage then we start to have those you know showing up and just doling out
00:31:58.540 money for causes causes which i know they're important causes i get they're important causes
00:32:03.900 you know whatever they be whatever country they're in we're not big enough to play in those quite
00:32:09.180 frankly and we're not and the people who immigrate here who are concerned about those causes mike you and
00:32:14.060 i have talked about it time and time again i know you want to make a statement which is great
00:32:20.300 but you can make a statement here all you want we're not big enough to make an impact so you might
00:32:25.420 want to save your breath work really hard and if you want to save your own send your own money back
00:32:30.380 home to take care of those causes good for you right that's what you believe in do it and that's
00:32:35.740 what canada is about but quite frankly as a country participating in those global events
00:32:43.100 is really futile right now because we don't have the funds to do it yeah and those people well they're
00:32:48.780 being duped as well because what the politicians are saying is okay we know there's a few ridings
00:32:52.940 with a heavy prevalence of ukrainian voters okay well we're going to go pose with the lens you're
00:32:57.020 going to give money to ukraine even though we know we're not actually helping resolve something but
00:33:01.180 it's good to win that little bit okay i'm going to tell this audience a bunch of pro-israel stuff
00:33:05.260 i'm going to tell this audience a bunch of uh pro-palestinian stuff i'm going to invite it that way
00:33:09.500 i know i'm irrelevant on the world stage but i'm going to do that for domestic consumption reasons
00:33:14.300 and i also think we kind of know that but we accept we accept the charade as well we must stop
00:33:21.580 then that if that's the purpose behind this is okay we're all entertaining ourselves here
00:33:28.220 with these notions that we're helping the world just to get votes here domestically
00:33:33.020 this must stop because we need to take care of ourselves and we need to get proud of ourselves
00:33:38.140 it's our own money we're our own shareholders so we're all shareholders whatever nation you're from
00:33:45.420 if you're a canadian so we are actually that vote is getting them to use that money for the
00:33:51.260 shareholders of canada so what are we doing we're using our own money on conflicts that we're not
00:33:56.620 even part of trudeau said here we are sunny ways i think is what he said isn't that what he his phrase
00:34:02.700 was how do you think uh our new government and carney uh greet the world what's the moniker you
00:34:08.860 think comes out of parliament this year oh i don't know i think he's just passing the hat and saying you
00:34:15.260 know so the cash here yeah please place donation here you know and and i think anthony hit on it earlier
00:34:22.140 and i was gonna chat about it so a good opportunity to do it pierre pauliev so the the opposition leader
00:34:29.420 and i think it starts there and my advice going into the session would be take another approach
00:34:37.020 right take another approach i know you know it's funny how the media the media is goading him a
00:34:42.620 little like they're poking him oh you want to get back into the house you want to go head to head you
00:34:48.060 want to really go at them you want to make them just like you did trudeau you know you really want to
00:34:52.060 take them apart right don't take the bait right it's about canada right now so when you go back
00:34:59.980 be about canada not about the opposition or the the prime minister right be about canada be as
00:35:08.220 helpful as possible but be you know put the debate on the on the floor have that debate get the right
00:35:14.700 decision make sure you get that accountability and policies let's set some targets right let's try to
00:35:21.020 actually agree on a target for gdp growth in the next year let's try to do some things that are
00:35:26.780 rational to bring the country back to a a firm footing and i think by doing that you'll actually
00:35:34.060 help him which is good but i also think you'll help yourself and you'll help canada and i think
00:35:39.660 that's what we want to try to get to do i think pierre pauliev needed some uh humanizing uh and and
00:35:48.700 that's starting to arrive we're starting to see more than just the barking dog uh at the prime
00:35:54.460 minister in in question period um i i like you think that it's time to have a more mature
00:36:01.900 conservative uh party and i i think that uh when you do get into that argument state of just fighting
00:36:08.940 every single thing that the the uh the government is putting your way the prime minister is putting
00:36:13.020 in front of you the credibility is lost in the party pick the moments that really matter pick
00:36:18.460 the moments that really matter to canadians that the government is missing and go from there but i
00:36:23.180 don't think the mission is just to be there opposing everything like we've seen the conservatives do
00:36:29.420 maybe i'm wrong well in pierre's defense it's called his majesty's loyal opposition and it's supposed
00:36:35.900 to be a counterpoint voice where the government says we're doing this whatever the legislation is and
00:36:41.020 then the other parliamentarians will poke holes in it to make it better and then both in the house
00:36:46.140 and then committees in the senate you're poking holes in little details and proposing amendments
00:36:50.300 and so on so i think you should be opposing things as much as possible with a view to improving it
00:36:56.780 not with a view to to destroying things or to paul's point i think just to getting clips out there
00:37:02.300 because you know there's a saying that the they want you to like being opposition leader if you
00:37:07.180 say i like being opposition you say well that's great good stay there being opposition leader
00:37:11.660 and i'll keep being prime minister so you still want to conduct yourself as a prime minister as
00:37:16.860 the next prime minister someone with a plan and someone with a thorough approach who can who can
00:37:22.140 govern whether it's five years from now or five months from now makes perfect sense well i mean it
00:37:27.900 all remains to be told everybody uh weigh in with anything that we've forgotten because we're going back
00:37:34.060 to school uh what are your hopes uh start with paul and uh and then anthony what do you guys what do
00:37:40.300 you hope for in the first six months to see a reasonable budget really just point blank just want
00:37:46.940 to see something that's reasonable well thought out uh thinks through the pillars of the government
00:37:52.460 uh and comes out with a good plan anthony easy answer i'll second that the the banker the economist guy
00:38:00.300 the business guy let's see a budget well i uh i like to see some uh a unanimous decision at the
00:38:07.580 table so i will side with you guys but i will also encourage anybody watching or listening to uh send
00:38:13.660 in your comments uh you know maybe there's something here that we missed that we need to pick up on again
00:38:18.220 and uh at the very least we would love to hear your opinions on what you think will happen
00:38:23.900 in parliament as we head back uh this september 15th i thank you both very much