Canada Wins Big... But At What Price？
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Canadians watched the most watched World Cup match in history, a 6-0 victory for the Canadian Men's National Team over the Netherlands in the quarterfinals of the World Cup in Vancouver, Canada on June 14th.
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Our Prime Minister just announced this weekend $3.2 billion subsidy to buy over 2,000 empty
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condos that were built by a handful of billionaire real estate developers. So yes, I think the $1
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billion for the soccer, which unites an entire nation of all languages and cultures, is way
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soccer football the world cup team canada history made at bc place in vancouver with a six nil
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crushing of guitar for the canadian men's national team first ever win in the world cup
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with a staggering number i still can't believe this happened where they had 11.7 million people
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in canada watching part of the world cup match the most world most watched world cup match in
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canadian tv history to talk more about it paul micucci what a great moment for canada what a
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great moment for canadian sports it made me proud yeah no jim you know what uh i'm glad you liked
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it i loved you enjoyed it i know you were going back and we were texting each other and yeah mike
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was going back and forth and i ended up uh watching the game yes which i usually don't watch
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i'll be truthful i usually watch the highlights okay so i ended up watching the game and i watched
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it at a political function interesting yeah which was interesting and no one truthfully it was on
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in the bar and there were 300 people that assembled to watch the game it was actually quite nice
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it was a fundraiser quite frankly the person got it into their fundraiser but you know honestly
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they were just fundraising so no one when the goals would happen everyone turned around and
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clap but for the most part everyone was talking um you know i was mildly interested i was more
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interested in watching the people than i truthfully was watching the number of drinks sold all that
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good stuff um because i was curious right you know given i'm in that industry i always when i go to
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a bar or a restaurant i spend a lot of time just watching food and drinks yeah right so so stats
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let's talk okay before you get the stats before you get the numbers and you try to dampen and
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reign in my parade all i know is 60 000 proud canadians arm and arm yes of all every nationality
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every language every culture 60 000 60 000 in bc place tears streaming down their eyes watching
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canadian soccer history with that six nothing win and all the fist punch from jesse march and
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and the double birds to qatar yeah for their dirty play and we move on a chance to move on to the
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next round and if you think the numbers were good for now when they play switzerland on wednesday
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and when they move on to the next round it's going to blow it out of the water canada has canadian
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world cup soccer fever and alfonso davies is like a cage lying and ready to pounce it's going to be
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a beautiful thing no no listen to me i i love that a small percentage or a
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medium percentage of canadians love it right so and let's talk you know angus reed i'm gonna
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before i jump into the numbers i'm gonna go through because i wanted i want to go through
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it angus reed did his study and like unlike doug ford i'm not gonna slander angus reed i believe
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some of their numbers well you know polls i i'm not a big pollster either but you know he said
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do you think hosting the world cup matches is worth the public cost okay was that before they
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beat guitar that was before guitar right okay and they found which was interesting um they did
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vancouver and the gta the gta 21 of the people said uh probably or definitely okay the rest said no
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okay well the rest probably are on meds or have mental health issues 79 79 percent of the rest
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need therapy right when over 28 of the canadian population like me with emotion coursing in her
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veins watching this no no but is the public cost worth it and they said no okay right okay so which
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is interesting because we're gonna get back to that these stats because quite frankly when you
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came up with the numbers that 11.7 million that's at one point one part of that match right but the
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peak audience so that we came up with the average uh minute on the audience which is a one minute
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audience or more yep was actually 5.3 million which is super bowl numbers yeah well yeah
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6.8 million so that's pretty damn close and the peak audience was 7.3 right so now at 5.3 that
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makes up for 13 of the population of canada yes right so so this poll doesn't surprise me now so
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this poll kind of comes in line so there's a bunch of people saying the public cost isn't really
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worth it then they go on and they delve into it they said how interested are you in watching any
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of the two twenty thousand six match matches whether in person or on tv or online so in the gta
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which is not a bad stat 38 of the people said probably or definitely yeah right so 38 so that
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leaves 62 of the people said no who have issues okay i need help okay again and i'd like to talk
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to them in vancouver 36 okay said definitely or yes it's the pot capital of canada understandable
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yeah did you try to get any tickets so that was the next question yes right only 15
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percent said yes in the gta and 26 percent said yes in vancouver so which makes sense because
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more seats more yeah you can see honestly you could see by watching the game that there was a
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lot more let's call it corporate sponsors in toronto and people you know fans with the colors
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yeah and you know even you know you and i and jim or you and i and mike had a kind of a laugh
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i know we were poking at you a little hard bring it bring it for the first game right it's just
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this true patriot love right there i could take it me too yeah against bosnia yeah right but we
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so we actually called jim and we said you know we're trying to get downtown to a meeting right
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right before the game to bosnia and we had wased it from etobicoke to toronto yeah and he's like
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oh it's gonna take forever look at all these people uh so then then we we let him know that
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it's going to take 33 minutes right an hour before the game and then mike was actually using ai to
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crowd count the crowds walking and we were calling him saying there's only 1500 people there and i
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lost it because there were thousands yeah i know there were thousands there were thousands of
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germans saturday going to toronto stadium to take on what was a cracker of a match against the ivory
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coast and where do you see croatia they have a hundred foot flag long live croatia it's going
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to be amazing now when it comes to disruption in the gta 68 of the people say it's just a disruption
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69 people say in vancouver say it's a disruption so well well well let me counter that okay my
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beautiful partner my longtime wife was taking an art course at the ago last week and was downtown
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four straight days right and said the vibe and the crowds and the people and the families who
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have descended upon downtown toronto soaking in the fan fest soaking in the world cup soaking
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in the city she goes it's unlike anything she's ever witnessed oh no maybe in the suburbs maybe
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in grumpy rexdale in scarborough they're still bitter about ford fest and they're still booing
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him but downtown it's amazing i'm with you you know the the stats for basically the billion dollars
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spent right are pretty much the same right you know about you know you only have 20 percent of
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the people think that it's worth it both in vancouver and and here so you know we look at
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it so a lot of people you know may be happy that it's happening not happy with what's spent
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okay which we talked about because that 82 million dollars a game so like you know this is where i
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came at it i'm a i'm an analytics guy of my background everything jim i'm looking at it
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you know i like the pride i like the national pride i like all that good stuff it really irks
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me it it does now and i've told you this it irks me that's 82 million dollars a game and we're now
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for five million people so one-eighth of the population right so if if i would be fine quite
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frankly if those five million people right were willing to pony up seventeen dollars right yeah
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to cover that okay 82 million for that billion dollars plus pay their ticket and then pay the
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money to bell who's you know i don't know what bell spent on it you can't find that official
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number anywhere trust me when they have multiple panels of four and five people and all the crews
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and all the production and all the sets it would be staggering 100 million 150 i don't know i mean
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it might be the biggest outlay of production costs in canadian tv history that's the rumor that it's
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150 million i wouldn't surprise me of course with an oligopoly in media in canada i can spend
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whatever i want because you're just gonna jack cell phone rates which we did on another show so
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quite frankly god they would raise i am shocked so jimmy am i am i now going to pay for that
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okay paul because you're talking about not a billion dollars to watch you know the great
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canadian soccer our prime minister just announced this weekend 3.2 billion dollar subsidy to buy
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over 2 000 empty condos that were built by a handful of billionaire real estate developers
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so yes i think the one billion for the soccer which unites an entire nation of all languages
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and cultures is way better money spent than that oh yeah i don't listen uh huh that's another
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that's an or another kettle of fish or you know that we can get into do i think we should be
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subsidizing private developers to keep them from going bankrupt no no no we should allow
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the natural process of of business to evolve well how about not building a 350 square foot
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conduit a million dollars maybe that's the reason it's unsold exactly right they they were taking
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leaps unfathomable leaps and you know what but no i don't believe we should bail them out but i also
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believe that we shouldn't start projects at 45 million and end up at 380 million in a city
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um well okay yeah i will concede the initial budget estimate by and i've known him a long
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time sorry john but john tory and his staff was criminally underrated they knew there's no way
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they thought they could bring the games in at that price point that's not possible but is it
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even going to come in at a billion so that's my next thing oh i see in the angus reed poll there's
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a high majority of people that actually believe it's not coming in at a billion they believe to
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your point it's coming at more than a billion and there's all these hidden costs so at the end of
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the day right you you know you're saying 11 million people watch this game at some point
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yeah right and then and then what was this game so let's talk about that for a minute let's delve
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into the game right guitar guitar so after playing to a 1-1 draw with bosnia herzegovina
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with a win against guitar canada all but guarantees themselves moving to the next round
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which has never happened in the history of men's soccer right and now because they scored six goals
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they have the goal differential against switzerland all they have to do is play to a
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draw with switzerland and they win group b they win their group which is incredible so the next
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match knockout match for canada would be in vancouver again right against a more winnable
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opponent right so now talk about what's happened to the world cup so for those of you who aren't
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familiar they increased the number of teams yes they did right yeah by 50 yeah to 48 teams right
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yeah so which is great that's been good for us right it's been good for fifa it's been good for
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fifa but it's also it's also watered down the talent per se right so now you had the top 32
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teams and now you've expanded to 48 teams so now you've increased the player pool so look at it
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another 16 teams all have 20 people plus on the roster you have another 320 players across the
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nation some of them some of them well i mean i'll point to saturday at toronto stadium 43 000 tens
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of thousands of passionate fans of germany germany and the ivory coast and and a cracker of a mash
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ended up being a real gut check for germany to beat ivory coast two to one and the matches
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continue every day and i look at some of the countries involved and what it means to them
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so like Norway Senegal today and what it's going to mean for Croatia against Panama and there is
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approximately 100,000 Croatian Canadians in the GTA a lot of them in Streetsville Mississauga
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and and I went to college with some of them and it's hard to describe what this means for those
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generations of Croatian Canadians to actually see their country playing in Toronto it's it's this is
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this is ranks right up there with the birth of their children that's how much it means to them
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but isn't their country Canada okay yes but I'm like I'm confused Jim so now my now my 82 million
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a game is going to make people happy to support their original country of origin or their or their
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country they came from three generations ago I got news for you so my 82 million so now you're asking
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me to fund people's excitement ask the people of boston about scotland ask the people of miami
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about the scottish fans all of a sudden everyone in boston miami are of scottish heritage because
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they're they actually drank bars dry they are selling more booze and spending more money on
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hotels and restaurants than they ever thought possible and that's we can't discount is not just
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the impact this week and the next few weeks in toronto and vancouver but those thousands of fans
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from all those countries coming to those cities going you know what damn this vancouver this
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toronto is nice i'm coming back and i'm going to take my family we're going to have a vacation here
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but okay jim so how many people do you think are coming into the city that's an interesting
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so lots of people coming to the fan fest by thousands no so there are people coming in from
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so say a third of the tickets are coming from people who live here a third are coming from
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people within canada who are traveling here yes and a third are coming internationally exactly
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so we have 45 000 so that's 15 000 people a game international now some of them are going to go to
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multiple games so yeah but for the most part 15 so now basically we're looking at we're only
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looking at 13 games times 15 000 so it's not that many people you got but they're not going to lay
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in the streets they need a place to sleep they have to they're not going to you know either the
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gutter they're gonna have to go to a restaurant you would would you have been better off to allow
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the festivals and carnivals and parades that were going to happen that go canceled i don't know if
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there's that much economic uptick to it but i think it's neutral you're looking at it in angus
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reed accounting number thing you have to look at the big picture america is persona non grata around
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the world we have given all these people and all these countries from africa and south america and
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central america and europe and asia that are coming to canada more reason to come here and
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not to america because the stain of trump in the american administration is not going to be washed
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away soon but realizing that you can come with open arms and cheer for whatever country you want
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in canada and not only you're not going to be put down we're going to give you a high five and buy
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you a beer for doing it because that's the kind of people we are yeah 150 000 or so i get it yeah
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it's not but it's not a massive crowd just so we're i just want to make sure we're not saying
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like you know i think what happens in the fifa hype a lot of times is we get caught up in these
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these huge numbers it's attracting a moderate amount of people to come so it's an okay tourism
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love but it's not it's not a huge amount of people you know our airports aren't overwhelmed
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we're not seeing huge traffic jams as far as tourists coming because on a natural summer we'd
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have that many they're kind of supplanting the ones that were coming so you know we're getting
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some people and and quite frankly to the game like you know germany and ivory coast perspective
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it's moderately busy right moderately did you see the walk-in by the german crowd they shut down
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lakeshore with over 10 000 people i'm with you but 10 000 people jim but but going kilometers
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spending money yeah i'm closing pounding the pints that is when's the last time you saw that many
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people not that wasn't carnival or it wasn't pride parade just walking through lakeshore
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that had it shut down yeah because they love germany and they want to do their support for
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the right this is so this is above and beyond everything this is reviving the gta reviving
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vancouver post-covid and erasing the stain of what happened people are still emerging from that and
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this is going a long way this is one of the best things to happen to canada when a tourism and
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patriotism standpoint in years paul in years and sometimes you got to spend money to make money
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i'd rather spend money in this than buy billionaire condos to to subsidize their mistakes well yeah
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well i agree with the the mistakes part i agree definitely but you know so now we beat guitar
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yes right we tied bosnia yes so now we're we're switzerland yeah which is interesting because
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switzerland and guitar tied yes right so it should be it should be quite frankly hopefully
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uh not an easy game but uh oh the switzerland's tough this is nothing easy about it this will
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this will push canada and they'll probably have to use the only reason they didn't use alfonso davies
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is they're up for nothing at one point and jesse said sit down i don't want to risk you getting
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hurt because they already had a player curted off with double broken leg yeah yeah i saw that that
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was horrible so they're like no use of the heisman injury oh yeah yeah so so now they can use davies
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against switzerland win the group and then build a momentum to the next stage this is
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this is impossible stuff for canadian men's soccer this was always a reality show for canadians and
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one of the reason they just had the video of little italy when italy won the world cup in 82
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because all these people from all these countries around the world that came to canada couldn't
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cheer for the canadian soccer team at the world cup because they were almost never there and now
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are we there we're winning yeah yeah no and i'm happy we're winning listen guitar i was a little
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shocked that we rolled over guitar but if you think about it jim where guitar is sitting and
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everything going on in the world it's probably a major distraction for them right it doesn't help
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a lot of the players right yeah quite frankly i think uh i was looking on the roster before
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the game and it's uh 13 out of the 26 players are not from guitar so they just you could do that for
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a lot of countries they just you know immigrate into yeah yeah play soccer and they have a huge
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soccer academy now and they put a lot of money into the last world cup big you know so they're
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trying and those sheiks sitting there with their robes on at the in vancouver they flew them in
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that was amazing to see i felt sorry for them a little bit because you know they played so
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horrifically bad but but you know there's so much going on there and i'm sure i'm sure a lot of those
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players you know that are in guitar right now are trying to figure out what to do you know do they
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stay there do they keep their taxes a lot of them play internationally so quite frankly they probably
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don't even live full-time in guitar no they just go back and forth just like our canadian roster
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but our canadian roster is more based in canada 19 of them out of 26 are actually from and born in
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canada yeah and then alfanzo davies came here which is wonderful is a young boy and was raised
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in edmonton yeah and still proud alberta native but think about this paul when the blue jays won
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the world series in 92 93 it laid the foundation for generations of baseball players now in canada
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and all of a sudden you had baseball academies and young boys and girls playing baseball remember
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yeah so what's happening now in the world cup is more than just what's happening now
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we saw what christine and sinclair in the canadian women's soccer team did for girls soccer in
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in the country and now what it's going to do is have municipal provincial and federal government
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funding for indoor soccer facilities for soccer academies it is going to explode if you think
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soccer is big now in canada it's only going to get bigger yeah well i hope so quite frankly but
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But the issue is, where is it going to get paid from by?
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Some of the players that are playing internationally
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and I did the show with the professor from Concordia,
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and the tax transactions for sports are tough to figure out you know a lot of times players go
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abroad quite frankly they're away from canada more than the 183 days of year therefore they
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don't have tax residency in the country that they're originally from therefore they pay no
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tax in canada they offshore their tax liabilities and therefore they don't make a ton of contribution
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if they're actually playing abroad right well as nhl um oh yeah nhl teams who are in canada
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trying to keep a player from either going to a tax-free state like nevada or florida how hard
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it is well exactly you look at uh kachuk brady kachuk and now he's in florida yeah and you know
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why he went to florida well a because his brother plays there and b because all of a sudden he's not
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paying ontario taxes well his brother well i'm sure you know whether he was or not that's another
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thing i have no idea but quite frankly a lot of them don't domicile here from a tax perspective
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when they get here because they don't stay that's why when the season's over you notice
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you notice the locker room they're on the plane almost immediately because they're counting their
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number of days well their agent is for sure yeah and they're like you guys get on the plane right
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so you're out here so it'd be great if these soccer academies came from these athletes who
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are actually getting notoriety here and again those are the things we should be promoting so
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as they come and play here and they're doing it we should be talking about them okay let's
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and that was a thing jim i guess that's kind of gone away where you used to have the um uh
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hockey camps and i'm trying to think of the carl brewer hockey camp howie meeker had them howie
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meeker you know those are the things that i love because those are guys who are coming back and
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they're reinvesting in the communities that are making them famous and you know we as canadians
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are making a huge contribution and i know you say they're spending more money on other silly stuff
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but a billion dollars plus plus plus to actually do all this stuff it's nice to now start to talk
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about the players like okay great right we celebrate you we honor you we want you to do well
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you know now reinvest the money which like if you look at guitar let's talk about guitar for a
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minute right a lot of those players coming in there right they're given the tax breaks like
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yeah they are given all the benefits of going there right and you're going to say well they'll
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leave but you know if they come here they're raised here and then they go to play abroad they
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come back here and they win games and they do great things i want them here okay i want them
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doing things here right they will in due time you have to give them the patience unfortunately
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we're playing professional sports at the elite level now has become a 12-month-a-year job right
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so when they're done playing then they come back to edmonton and brampton and montreal and surrey bc
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and set up their academy and they're like here's paul micucci former member of the national team
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who was part of canada's run in 2026 all of a sudden that opens a lot of doors and carries a
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lot of weight and that's when you're going to see a lot of that explosion you're going to see a lot
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of sign up but as far as them running an academy in the future that's when they're done their
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playing days so our nba star right from hamilton oh she'll just alexander yeah now there's an
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example jim there see that's what i like i need more of that now and where i'm kind of turned off
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in some sports right now is because i'm not seeing that right and that kind of you know
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the billion dollars it pulls badly right we've just i just went through it it does and you know
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i think that pollster even sides with the party it yeah in control right now but but you know what
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it does pull really badly right so it's now nice why don't we actually start to talk to them about
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opening up those schools now and doing those things and because they're making enough money
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they're they're making enough money abroad that they can go back and do something for the community
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so it might have cost us a billion dollars but if we're going to become a strength on the soccer
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on the on the on the right the world stage which now is the time i said it the last show now's the
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time it's a watered down pool we went to 48 we watered down the pool right you know you got the
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the world is in turmoil so anything any soccer in the middle east right now you can only imagine
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all those guys most of them from different countries they're trying to figure out their
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agents are calling going should we stay here should we keep our money here do we move our
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money over to europe do we move our money somewhere else what do we do the last world cup they're not
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focused on is july 19th so the week of july 20th when the world cup is over perfect time for all
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levels of government to say we're going to build a soccer like prime minister carney yeah with
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premiers of different provinces say we're going to build a soccer academy in new brunswick in bc
00:26:33.020
in montreal blah blah blah and it's going to be thanks to this this and this yeah and and so that's
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the perfect time to do it once the world cup's over strike while the iron is hot i do agree so
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who's we we would be i don't want to put no more government subsidies okay wait a second i want
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government out of jimmy can i tell you something yeah i guess what i want now is i want government
00:26:54.860
out of sports sure but i want them i want them you know so here's a great okay let's take the
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esso for example that you can't tell me they're not making money at the gas pumps with the gas
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prices and wouldn't they want to say here's the esso soccer academy good so sell that soccer
00:27:10.220
academy get them to put the first 20 million dollars into those indoor enbridge all those
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companies i'm i'm all for that wouldn't they look like heroes in the community that you had to
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remember i was i'm old enough to remember the days where we went around to build community centers
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all across the nation through lottery funds and then they went bankrupt they tubed right we built
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infrastructure you know we talk about again we're talking about guitar because of that game and we're
00:27:34.620
so excited about it now those stadiums are sitting like what do they do and it's 200 billion dollars
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some crazy amount of money those sheiks were sitting there that they put into it now they're
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trying to figure out what do we do with it well hey we didn't spend that kind of money in canada
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we just had to help a little bit and now we have multiple facilities worthy of international soccer
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in the country right so what are the games that are coming after it now how is it women's soccer
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international friendly now you've proven that a country like germany and uh england and all the
00:28:09.260
big boys would come play an international friendly in canadian soil knowing that they have the
00:28:14.700
facilities they have the infrastructure and they have the passion of the fan base to come here
00:28:19.420
right so now right i love what you're saying so and bell and all these big you guys pony up
00:28:26.540
absolutely if we're giving oligopolies all around the nation then you guys pay for it
00:28:32.060
which is a great model right we should say okay fold in all you guys pay for it you guys are all
00:28:36.940
getting that you know we're limiting company naming rights and everything we're limiting
00:28:40.300
competition in the marketplace right yep we want soccer fields you guys rolling not us like i don't
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want to again i this is this maybe this is the kickstart jimmy and if it's a kickstart i'm okay
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with it but i think we need to say that like we just want to kickstart this we want to be a soccer
00:28:55.820
nation you guys okay but you guys but but to keep going on again like to keep doing things where
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we're funding things for a quarter of the nation or an eighth of the nation i think at some point
00:29:07.980
we have to say okay time out not everyone wants that not definitely not everyone wants to make
00:29:12.460
the expenses and i think but this is where carney the great economic genius quote unquote harvard
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grad hedge fund bank of england bank of canada yeah and this is where he needs to lean on the
00:29:24.220
corporate giants like hey hey look at what's going on look at the numbers look at the people
00:29:29.340
why don't you pony we'll give you a federal tax break blah blah blah but you build the structure
00:29:33.900
build that soccer academy and you have it whatever name whatever company it is i love it because
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that's where that's where his expertise needs to come into play here all right but it doesn't happen
00:29:45.260
well how do you why do you how do you know so he doesn't get it done well let's check it oh say he
00:29:49.820
doesn't say it doesn't get okay right then it's over no it's not over there but we can't do this
00:29:56.300
again no like you know what i mean like we realized whether carney can get it done or not there's
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going to be a premier in this country yeah that will do it on their own so a provincial run academy
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with so-and-so with whether it's mccain corporation or irving in nova scotia so
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taking tax funds and subsidizing another arena facility right well there would be a joint private
00:30:20.060
private public partnership right and then there's a user fee big enough to pay back in a reasonable
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amount i don't want you know what i don't want another gordy howe bridge right i don't want
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another go to have i think we're done i think as a nation we've got to get to the point where we're
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kind of done with things that don't like whether it's don't pencil out don't ever open don't ever
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open with a feasible business model don't have a user fee that's we're kind of we're we got to be
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done those days jim so if if if an eighth of the population want to watch soccer it's way more than
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an eight okay come on it's way more that's all i can really see but if an eighth well you look at
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the polling numbers the polling numbers kind of proved out almost with the pop with the with the
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attendance numbers right we're going to be close to 40 45 of the nation watching the soccer listen
00:31:09.980
it's because the tv stations picked it up because of the bell ownership they're really pumping it
00:31:16.140
hard they're pumping the gas i get it right and it looks like it is but when you actually look
00:31:20.940
at the numbers and you look at the polling on it it's it's an eighth no it's between an eighth to
00:31:26.700
a quarter 1.4 billion people billion watch the world cup final 2022 with argentina and france
00:31:34.540
the most watched sporting event in history as the deeper this goes the bigger the ratings and the
00:31:41.980
bigger piece of the canadian population pie will be tuning in right so it's not just a frivolous
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thing that when they take the poll early everyone's like ever this is typical canadian we piss on
00:31:52.700
everything that we try to do it's a canadian mindset then it's a success everyone's like
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i knew it would be a success what's i knew it what's the population of the world
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so it's over seven billion yeah so it's exactly one seventh which is one eighth oh no no no
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yeah so that's what you're talking no but you're saying the world cup finals got one seventh of
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the world watch it yeah so it's one it's actually perfectly aligned with the one eighth that watch
00:32:20.620
it here the money that's all i'm saying to you it's right to the people but the money being spent
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in the country is so well spent i would rather spend this kind of money on this kind of nation
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building event and then paying off a bunch of billionaire real estate developers who got greedy
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and had overpriced undersized condos and can't sell them i'd rather the one-eighth of the
00:32:41.820
population who love watching it pay for the whole thing so you and i are in a little different spot
00:32:46.540
here right okay fine i'm just saying if they want to watch but i guess we don't ever have nice things
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in this country how do you are you really telling me that we have nice things we have a beautiful
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country as is we don't need to bring world cup in so i said my hands in my pants like gal bundy
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watching every other country in the world host something why can't canada host something why
00:33:05.820
can't we do something it's our turn now what about our needs we can't but you know for example if we
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had a bunch of sheiks that were sitting there you know with their beautiful white rose it's called
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the liberal party of canada see you no but that's us oh that's our tax money that's not that they're
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using our money to pay for so basically no no they flew on their own dime they flew on the
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i love that i love those guys i'm sitting there going man i wish we had a hundred of those dudes
00:33:33.340
who pony up and build sweet things in the country right yeah but we don't have that we well we have
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to individually as taxpayers pony up the dollars we we go into bigger deficits we pay higher
00:33:45.260
interest rates we do all these things on these projects we do and i'm saying fine for the next
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time we go to do it let's organize a little better let's be truthful the one thing in this polling
00:33:56.140
is saying people don't like that they don't get proper accounted accounting and accountability
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well for the costs that are expended on these items let's get it on the table say we're going
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to spend a billion five therefore everyone who wants to watch it through bell we're going to do
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a deal with bell has got to pay a thousand dollars right you're up for a thousand dollars if you want
00:34:15.980
it it's a thousand dollars if you if you put your thousand dollars in by this date we can actually
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we're going to put it in trust we're going to invest it and then you can watch the the cup you
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can watch whatever you want you can watch come on paul be serious look at look at olivia chow the
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mayor toronto they didn't sell any corporate advertising they the person she handpicked
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to pay 340 000 a year didn't start selling but corporate advertising till a few months before
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the first match but why would they well why would they because philadelphia started selling it
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eight years ago when they knew they had a game and the cost of the city is almost nothing but
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they nothing jimmy they know this they know that the safety net the social safety net is there so
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it's a difference right if you know a social safety net is there and everyone's just going
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to say maya copa we'll pay for it not say anything then it just keeps going on and then when it comes
00:35:05.980
time to for us to look at deficits and losses and everything then we're like i don't know how that
00:35:10.780
happened i know how that happened quite frankly because this is what we do so you tell you tell
00:35:16.620
the mayors of the respective cities whether it's vancouver or montreal or toronto whoever's hosting
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we'll give you this much not a penny more the rest you have to sell and raise on your own
00:35:26.940
through capitalism through selling through marketing through hard work by this date
00:35:31.660
right by this date so don't apply to be don't apply to be in anything right now there's no
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blank check afterwards that you can't get funded yeah are you are you up for that
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you are i am totally up for it all right you're the ambassador now because you're in the one
00:35:47.820
you drop the ball because they didn't work hard enough selling and working and marketing this
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and it's they knew because there's a lot of left-leaning socialist inspired people on the
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toronto city council don't worry the province and the federal government will bail us out
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right secretly you know they had those meetings don't worry they will pay for everything they'll
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take care of it and they did yeah for one eighth of the population so i mean and that was a big
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jump right that's a just so everyone knows that's why the only thing if we come out of this show
00:36:22.060
today and people just realize right yeah that all this money was spent to make one-eighth of
00:36:27.260
the population of canada happy i'm okay with that but did i really want to do no if you would have
00:36:33.660
asked me i would have loved to watched it in another country and not paid the not paid the
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billion dollars well i i would have more than you paul to have that attitude i wait for you
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to think that canada can't have thousands of people from around the world marching to toronto
00:36:47.660
stadium marching to bc place having their time of their lives and realizing they're laying the
00:36:52.700
seeds sowing the seeds of coming back year after year to this great country in these great cities
00:36:58.460
because we actually invested something and did something but but you could make that argument
00:37:03.020
on a ton of things jimmy you could you could go out and you could say give me a billion dollars
00:37:07.580
and i'm gonna have people marching on something like think about that any you could pick a hobby
00:37:14.300
you could pick another event you could spend a billion dollars and have people marching along
00:37:18.940
if you made it uh by country because where they're country of origin right what event
00:37:26.700
could you think of where people will fly from around the world darts darts no i'm not kidding
00:37:32.460
i i you know i i'd have to take i know darts is big in some european countries but you're not
00:37:38.860
getting 20 000 people come from panama or ghana or ivory coast to play darts okay how many people
00:37:47.260
how many fact check how many people are from ghana that live in canada i i don't know the number i
00:37:52.220
know i know one person she won an award at the canadian screen awards oh yeah i used to work
00:37:57.260
with her and she won a screen award for outstanding news work oh yeah 29 000 yeah yes gonna go gonna
00:38:05.900
29 000 out of 40 million jimmy so they were all there at the stadium oh they were they were so
00:38:11.820
when we we ai fact-checked the crowd jimmy there was oh ai there was 500 of them you're telling me
00:38:17.580
ai knows more than i do come on come on paul all right you know what honestly all i'm saying is
00:38:26.300
next time we do this let's actually get the accounting straight let's figure out who the
00:38:31.900
users are the sponsors are create a business model but i can't wait because i hope switzerland goes
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well i hope switzerland's tired out like guitar was now switzerland doesn't have the social issues
00:38:44.380
quite frankly so hopefully whatever those guys whatever those guys were doing the night before
00:38:49.740
on guitar on the guitar team i have no idea because it really tired them out so hopefully
00:38:54.380
we see that's been done in sports before yeah hopefully we see a better game yeah quite frankly
00:38:59.740
oh you will i think switzerland's a very good side you know there's real quick there's two things at
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play here there's the passion the canadian pride the spirit the coming together of all these people
00:39:10.380
of different ages and cultures and feeding off it but at the same time there's also the political
00:39:16.220
and economic reality of staging these events and canada this is a learning moment that they
00:39:21.980
can and should do better at financing it and getting more private enterprise and private
00:39:28.620
corporations to pony up the money wouldn't i mean wouldn't it make sense to have the
00:39:33.980
abc whatever like the microsoft canada fan fest we would pay for it like you know what i mean
00:39:40.140
and make the money you know what jimmy i've been i'm getting up there right so you know
00:39:44.860
and quite frankly i've been in a lot of businesses right if if anyone ever walked in the boardroom
00:39:50.220
and said to me they lost or mistakenly overran a budget by a million bucks i've never seen them
00:39:55.900
survive right right i've never seen them survive i've never seen them keep their job i've never
00:40:01.180
seen it happens in politics every day that's a million bucks right every day politics but now
00:40:06.300
we're having these conversations like oops let's learn holy cow like what what's it i i know it's a
00:40:12.940
society where everyone everyone gets a trophy everyone gets to do there's all these niceties
00:40:17.980
i get it at some point we gotta say time out jim like like i i mean you know and so you're asking
00:40:23.820
a government to run like a business when has that ever happened in this country i'm asking
00:40:28.220
the government run more business like i realize that governments can't run like a business but
00:40:33.100
they can run more business like and i don't disagree but when someone to asking someone
00:40:38.220
to account for public funds in a respectful decent way is is what governments are supposed
00:40:45.260
to tell us a low number then blow up a high number oh they come in and then and then give an oligopoly
00:40:53.660
the rights to something and then have them pay and then basically buy something and then tell us
00:40:59.500
this is great when one-eighth of the population are the only ones looking at it quite frankly
00:41:04.460
to me at some point you're like i'm getting tired and what this poll showed us it's not it's not
00:41:10.220
something that the world isn't seeing pull them now pull them now after the game i want to see
00:41:15.340
angus reed get off their arse okay and pull them now all right challenged by let's go jim lang pull
00:41:20.700
them now pull them now and see now okay if they do which i hope they do yeah and it doesn't change
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are you going to change your attitude probably not no i can tell you i probably died but is it
00:41:33.820
what's that the definition of it's you're a sports fan right yeah it's sports i'm not normal look at
00:41:38.860
me i'm not horrible but that's sports insanity it is yeah that's something i have a sickness i admit
00:41:43.900
it yeah i fully admit it i do no no the fact that you love it so much actually we enjoy it
00:41:51.420
yeah join around the studios we have fun with it we tease you about it but you know that's a
00:41:56.700
limited group yeah that's all i'm saying that's a little group so the rest of us quite frankly and i
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think uh what i think the damage this does in all seriousness the damage this does is it disassociates
00:42:08.700
the sports from the rest of the podcast so what as i go and i you know the other days i was telling
00:42:14.140
the story at a lunch and i was saying you know when i was a kid i used to see the hockey players
00:42:20.700
all around town and i used to get to talk to them you know dickie duff used to come by my rink when
00:42:26.220
i lived downtown as a kid yeah and he used to tip pucks into the net half in the bag on sunday
00:42:31.180
mornings and home from drinking all night right yeah yeah yeah and i used to you know and i love
00:42:35.900
that guy i honestly he's the one one of the you know and i'm sure he had all kinds of issues
00:42:41.100
whatever but a nice man but a terrific man and he treated all the kids like gold and he'd signed
00:42:46.780
pucks and he'd hang out there yeah i'm sure he was cold you know who's a nice man modern athlete
00:42:51.580
max dolmy type one diabetic there we go spends countless hours in his free time helping families
00:42:58.300
because he was diagnosed at 12 with families with a child with juvenile diabetes there you go does
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it all the time there are good and everywhere i know but i i'm sure there's even good at true
00:43:08.780
patriot love media i just have a fountain yet oh oh out out but but the issue the issue is
00:43:17.100
the more we do things like this and overshoot the target so high the more we disassociate a bunch
00:43:22.380
so the hardcore fan becomes those one eight okay you know the one they two people because then you
00:43:27.260
know and then you end up then you end up with situations where you have stadiums full of
00:43:31.260
corporate sponsorships no one's really associating with the team you're not geared to win you're not
00:43:36.620
meeting the players around you got all these things happening and it disassociates so the
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one eighth really it will never change the one eighth is always going to be a hardcore sports
00:43:45.340
fan but the problem is the more you do this stuff you're moving all these people away from it you're
00:43:50.140
repelling them right because they're like ah would i spend a billion dollars you know and they watch
00:43:56.060
a game or two they leave after they think oh that was all right but i don't know if i would have
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and then you're running into these situations jimmy where i think you're hurting the sport
00:44:05.020
no no no no no no no no no time out on the play they're gonna win they're gonna go to the next
00:44:11.740
round they're gonna be this is impossible they're going past the group stage and you see the fervor
00:44:17.340
the fever the passion coast to coast it's newfoundland fishermen with cods in their way
00:44:22.380
their chest waders dancing around the condition they're going to the next round yeah in this cup
00:44:28.220
yes right which has an extended number of teams we talked about which has increased the number
00:44:32.700
of teams by 50 yeah so they're you know it's maybe not the same pool they would have played
00:44:38.220
in the last one right quite frankly they have the ability the cups expanded which is great it's got
00:44:44.060
a new talent pool level which maybe the bar is a little lower and quite frankly they're moving
00:44:49.180
through it which is great i'm all for it that's the world quite frankly and the fact that we've
00:44:53.660
increased the number of teams number of players and they're moving cool right i think we have to
00:44:58.540
level set a little right like we can't say you know it's a changed environment and they're doing
00:45:04.060
great but you know what changed so many people from ivory coast yeah in ghana in croatia in
00:45:11.020
panama how many hold on how many people from the ivory coast live in canada it's got to be millions
00:45:16.380
and it but it's awesome it's it that makes canada a better place and it it opens up and
00:45:22.540
that we're learning from them they're learning from us and it's a good thing yeah that seems low
00:45:29.500
i thought it was in the millions okay 19 000 okay all right no no i'm with you listen i think again
00:45:37.660
where we're at we just have to look at it we have to say let's not do this again if we're going to
00:45:41.980
do this again let's do it in a more rash let's be more rational about what we're doing and let's
00:45:47.020
more eyes wide open okay have it funded right but paul realize that it is an eighth of the
00:45:53.260
population that are interested in this and figure out the economics i could make an argument for
00:45:58.620
that for every federal government procurement program right everything for everything you could
00:46:05.020
sure you could there's how many have ever come on time or on budget never okay building a bridge
00:46:13.100
buying equipment whatever that's just the federal government always spends more than they say yes
00:46:19.420
but listen for infrastructure for like for housing related things anything to do with
00:46:26.140
infrastructure i'm okay defense infrastructure migration all those things i get it right
00:46:31.900
but when it comes to leisure activities sports all those good stuff i think we need to be uh
00:46:37.980
more rational now it's a we've changed we don't we don't have we don't have 100 cheeks sitting
00:46:44.220
in the stadium willing to fork out 200 billion dollars to see a team win no but we have some
00:46:49.580
major corporations with deep pockets who could pony up you know i agree with you you know the
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article i think and i'm trying to remember who did it was in one of the major newspapers and
00:46:59.740
i'll we'll put it in the things bread or soccer right i think we have to no but i think it is you
00:47:06.860
know what we have to keep that in mind right we have a bunch of people this is why we never had
00:47:12.220
a summer olympics here because we had a couple protesters going and we were this close to getting
00:47:18.460
a summer olympics and we wonder why we never get good things in canada it's that kind of attitude
00:47:23.740
we need a more of a can-do attitude that's one thing that we have to concede to the americans
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that they're like damn the torpedoes we're gonna do this and we're gonna make it work and i wish
00:47:34.540
canada did more of that sometimes and show it cost a few more dollars one thing this government's not
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shy about is spending money so why not i gotta tell you as a uh let's do it as a benefit to the
00:47:46.540
community if we can get our productivity per capita up from the lowest in the developed world
00:47:53.900
into the middle where the americans are right now yeah i think we should give it to people i
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honestly i think we should be having events like the olympics i think everything yes we got to get
00:48:02.860
there yeah we got to get there because then then what will happen our wages will go up our costs
00:48:08.220
our quality of living will go up then we're there doing things that we subsidize okay where we are
00:48:15.020
right now but you're looking at it from a dollars and cents accountant standpoint you have to look
00:48:19.900
as a visionary big picture paul and the big picture is is we're opening the eyes to hundreds
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of millions of people around the world think of the tv ratings in all these other countries who
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are checking out these world cup matches checking out the cities checking out the country checking
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i'll go on you know what it's time to start thinking seriously about canada coming there
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doing business there traveling there this is part and parcel to the grand vision to build canada
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better now i do agree with you i think listen one of the things i think we're doing really well
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on this cup is we're actually televising it really well so the television quality oh right we make it
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look like there's a zillion people there we make it look like the you know it's packed we make it
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look at the numbers it isn't but the stadiums were packed paul they do a great job of showing that
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and i think part of that is we do have really high quality production people in canada we've
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done a great cup listen luke wildman of tsn called one of the best soccer matches i've ever witnessed
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in that win over qatar luke wildman is an absolute stud of a soccer broadcaster luke you're the man
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exactly now listen we are good at uh production quality for film and video we subsidize it we got
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behind it we built it up as a canadians the government got into it so god bless them we're
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doing a good job on that yeah again let's bring private industry into these things yeah well let's
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get kind of thought of that eight years ago when they found out they were going to have the games
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but it didn't dawn on them till eight weeks before the start so i mean all right switzerland canada
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wednesday yeah what are you calling i i know that everyone's saying oh they can get a draw i'm
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calling a canada win me too i'm calling a canada win and i'll be fascinated to see who they play
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the next round and if they win they get a more favorable match for the next round and to think
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they if they win that and could go on to the round past that it's it's like the canadian
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lottery this is a heady days for young jimmy lang i i love it i enjoyed it thanks paul