True Patriot Love - March 11, 2026


Canada’s Cancer Crisis: Why Are We Still Falling Behind?


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While the war in Afghanistan rolls on, and why the news cycle rolls on daily in the world, in our own world here in Canada, there is also the reality that cancer is affecting thousands of canadians every day. It s a battle that we continue to fight at the best we can, and it s still affecting everyone at any time.

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00:00:00.000 while the war in iran rolls on and why the news cycle rolls on daily in the world in our own
00:00:10.240 world here in canada there's also a reality that cancer is affecting thousands of canadians every
00:00:15.760 day and it's a battle that we continue to fight at the best we can thrilled to be joined us all by
00:00:21.120 paul micucci to talk about this and yes i mean there's so much going on in the world but as we
00:00:25.920 look at the april which is the start of cancer awareness month in canada there's a lot to digest
00:00:30.960 when it comes to cancer in this country yeah there is jim you know and uh we were uh watching and
00:00:36.160 looking at the stats the other day and and i said you know stop for a minute let's let's take a look
00:00:40.800 at terry fox yeah and you know what a what a hero and you know we remember terry fox and his run
00:00:48.320 across canada and you know the fundraising of his family and they've been celebrated in the last few
00:00:54.480 months about what happened to his life and what a hero he was in in in the cancer fight but you
00:01:01.200 know it's not over and and i think a lot of times we forget you know uh all the people that have
00:01:07.360 gone through it survived but also the high mortality rate and one of the things that you
00:01:13.760 know we've done a little research and we found that we still per hundred thousand uh lead all
00:01:21.040 countries in cancer as far as mortalities and that's something we can't forget and you know
00:01:28.540 given we are such an industrial country given that the fact that manufacturing in Canada especially
00:01:34.700 in Ontario and when you look at Ontario it is the number one leader in cancer mortality in Canada
00:01:40.760 is in Ontario followed by Quebec and then BC and then gets lower and lower and I think we have to
00:01:47.140 keep that in mind um and there's a lot to talk about in this show not only some good things
00:01:53.780 which i'd like to focus on but some things that i think now we need to step into and you know
00:01:59.340 come to grips with and say enough's enough we really need to you know uh get busy use mrna
00:02:07.280 technology to fix and jim you know you see it all the time you know the research that we do and the
00:02:13.620 yeoman's task and how far we've come i think as a country we um a world leader some princess
00:02:19.720 margaret has this famous for people in other parts of canada don't realize it princess margaret
00:02:24.480 hospital in downtown toronto they hold charity events bike rides and road hockey and they have
00:02:31.400 lotteries and stuff and they raise millions but they and i talked to the ceo a few years ago and
00:02:36.940 the amount of money that's poured into research what they said she explained it is they're much
00:02:42.200 better at a diagnosing your cancer and keeping you alive. And now it doesn't mean it's going to
00:02:47.480 be a cure, but the longer they keep you alive, the better chance you have of surviving it.
00:02:53.880 And Canada has become a world leader with the scientists and oncologists and researchers when
00:02:59.680 it comes to the field of cancer. It's still affecting everyone. My dad passed away from
00:03:04.320 cancer a few years ago. My buddy from hockey was complaining about back issues. He thought he had
00:03:09.400 a disc issue turned out he had a tumor and he's got cancer in different parts of his body it can
00:03:14.620 hit anyone at any time and it's still a big part of our health care and our lives in this country
00:03:19.340 yeah it's the it's the number one killer of canadians right now and you know we looked at
00:03:24.460 it and i i was shocked because we looked at the stats the other day uh basically as far as
00:03:30.680 mortalities go and it's 22% or 19,000 people in 2025, uh, pass away from lung and, uh,
00:03:41.780 bronch, uh, bronchitis cancer, right. Um, 72% is pink pancreatic cancer or 6,000, 6,300,
00:03:50.100 uh cool sorry colorectal yeah i always say it wrong uh 10 10.4 or 9 000 and breast cancer still
00:04:03.020 six which i was shocked 6.2 or 5 400 people um you know it's just unbelievable that we're still
00:04:12.100 at those rates and you know ontario as i mentioned earlier uh being you know the mortality rate just
00:04:19.400 not the incident rate the incident rate is five times but it's 22 000 people uh in quebec it's
00:04:26.720 32 000 people in ontario and 11 000 people in bc and then it goes down from there so it's
00:04:33.260 unbelievably staggering uh per capita numbers still in canada now there's two things in play
00:04:40.400 there you know as a country and as a society in canada we've gotten better i i recently did the
00:04:46.860 blood test for prostate yes so that's more effective uh i've had two uh colonoscopies
00:04:53.280 in my life and so that's a great way to make sure you're fine but i actually just read a story from
00:04:59.840 an emergency room doctor in canada said the problem is with so many canadians without a primary
00:05:05.740 caregiver primary doctor they're going to the hospital into the emergency room after something
00:05:12.920 started. And the earlier they detect stuff, I mean, right now the survival rate of cancer is
00:05:18.740 63%, 30 years ago is 55. But the problem is if you go to the emergency room complaining about
00:05:26.020 pain supports your body, cause he didn't have a doctor and they find out that the cancer's
00:05:31.140 already starting to spread. Sometimes it's too late, even with all the technology and the science
00:05:35.900 at their disposal. And that's, that's a challenge in the country. And that's one of the reasons to
00:05:41.240 push because if they have more family doctors and you're seeing a physician on a regular basis and
00:05:46.780 getting these screening tests which are not that difficult to do every few years to be tested then
00:05:52.640 they can know that you're okay yeah no it's true and you know you look at other countries Jim you
00:05:57.140 know we we were taking a look before the show and we were looking at the USA which still has a lower
00:06:04.600 per capita rate of cancer than us but uh hugely reliant on uh immunology therapy um pharma uh to
00:06:15.000 help uh keep people alive after they get cancer yes and extend their lifetime um germany uh japan
00:06:23.480 and uh south korea heavily reliant on ai now yeah so which is the future for a lot of people think
00:06:30.840 of medicine yeah which is which is amazing and you know in japan they're doing some amazing things
00:06:36.120 uh just with therapies that are proactive to your point they're trying to catch things faster
00:06:41.560 earlier and keep people alive and and i think you know when i looked at all the stats and i looked
00:06:47.640 at all the research coming on board uh it it popped out one place that surprised us was russia
00:06:55.320 and right now um pretty soon they're going to come up with a vaccine to take a take care of
00:07:03.400 cervical cancer and a few other cancers uh that'll help stop those diseases that cancer happening
00:07:11.240 and it's they plan on giving it free to the total population and i believe ontario just fast-tracked
00:07:19.080 six different treatments for six different types of cancer yes um so yeah that's changing on a
00:07:25.960 fairly rapid basis the access to different medicines different technology to help you
00:07:33.000 battle whatever disease you have yeah well we've jumped ahead you know uh testicular cancer
00:07:38.360 hodgkin's lymphoma melanoma you know pediatric leukemia those are all things that we've finally
00:07:47.960 decrease the mortality of these uh cancers and diseases they finally happening yeah but we're
00:07:54.200 still seeing the rates climbing and that's the astounding thing right now we're making some
00:07:59.480 astonishing breakthroughs but we're still got a ways to go it's true and it's it's it's medicine
00:08:06.120 paul but there's also some personal responsibility to everyday people are you physically active
00:08:13.560 what's your health fitness um what's your stress level there's so many different environmental
00:08:20.280 factors and lifestyle factors that fair or not could contribute you for cancer now some people
00:08:26.600 could live the most healthy active lifestyle possible and still get cancer because it's it's
00:08:32.120 it's a of a disease you never know but you could help your odds by living a little healthier maybe
00:08:38.040 drinking a little less maybe not vaping as much you know different things trying to learn to deal
00:08:43.320 with your stress because that all adds up to how your body reacts to things yeah uh so screening
00:08:50.680 you're just talking about some of the ways you can start and some countries now are making it
00:08:55.480 mandatory to go in for the whole country to do to attack certain cancers it starts off uh in
00:09:02.600 these campaigns where they get everyone to go in and check the main cancers that are killing
00:09:07.480 piss so you know breast cancer they ha you have to go in uh colorectal which we talked about you 1.00
00:09:12.920 have to go in and get that checked uh screening and blood test um so all those things kind of
00:09:18.280 are becoming uh more prevalent we've tried to do that by testing through getting mail it's
00:09:25.560 interesting though who's tracking and who's making sure that people are coming so as people are
00:09:31.160 coming to canada people are here right now oh i see are they you know and are why don't we start
00:09:37.000 actually these tests happening earlier why we start those like at 30 and 40 year old 40 year
00:09:43.960 olds hopping online and getting uh ready to be tested and getting people um even if the prevalence
00:09:51.720 is higher they are getting tested early and we're people are starting to know what's happening with
00:09:57.080 their bodies and they have a baseline poll so i had my first colonoscopy it was 50 or 51 i got a
00:10:02.280 a notification from the Ontario health board, from the Ontario government that you had to go
00:10:08.460 and booked it to my local hospital and I did it. But why not do it at 40? Why not start checking
00:10:15.600 different forms of cancer, your prostate in your 30s? Let's go 10 years earlier. And the doctor
00:10:22.900 may say to you, you know what? Everything's clean. We had a good baseline. I'll talk to you in five
00:10:27.200 years or 10 years. Don't worry about it. And then when they go back, they go, oh, hey, something's
00:10:32.080 changed. And they've proven time and time again with Canadian medicine and the world-class
00:10:37.480 oncologists, if they catch it early, you can survive it and they can beat it. But if they
00:10:44.840 don't catch it early enough, then the odds, it's like gambling, then your odds are getting thinner
00:10:49.360 and thinner. Well, and future, you know, years ago, Jim, what they did is they took all their
00:10:55.380 resources and they went into uh not prevention but they went in treatment right so you know uh
00:11:02.260 when my parents were got older you know they did both have cancer different forms of cancer uh they
00:11:08.820 dealt with it quite frankly they survived uh but they really found out late and they had to go and
00:11:15.060 they had to go get uh chemotherapy and they had to go different testing that takes a lot out of you
00:11:19.940 it lost it did and it changed the course of their life as they got older it changed their course now
00:11:26.340 it's just trying to find ways to be proactive and take some of the fun so you know it's interesting
00:11:30.900 i took a look and i i looked at some of the stats and annually we spend about 7.5 billion
00:11:39.700 on direct costs to patients for cancer i completely believe that absolutely i thought it was a lot and
00:11:45.700 And you and I talked about it before the show, and it's crazy what that costs, you know?
00:11:51.100 I mean, we're at 41 million people in the country now.
00:11:53.860 Yeah.
00:11:54.160 And you think about the different ages and different demographics of people, you know,
00:11:59.560 there's a lot more people over the age of 60 now than there was in Canada than there was 20 years ago.
00:12:04.000 Yeah.
00:12:04.300 So the odds are there's more cancer-related illnesses in the country because of the aging population, Paul.
00:12:09.960 Yeah.
00:12:10.380 No, I'm with you.
00:12:11.080 and and quite frankly research wise we're over 500 uh well half a billion dollars yeah right now
00:12:18.040 for basically funding uh research so we're moving very quickly but are we moving enough
00:12:25.880 to get in front of this disease so the question becomes now you know we've done a lot we've done
00:12:31.160 a lot to uh you know oncology we've done enough to figure out treatments uh for different cancers
00:12:38.920 but are we doing proactively to get that under control and that's where we've kind of
00:12:43.320 fallen behind some of the other countries some of the leaders and i think that's why our per capita
00:12:48.520 uh rates have not gone down enough right we're still close to uh 200 per 100 000 which is high
00:12:57.800 if you think about wow i keep going back to jack layton was like the healthiest older man in the
00:13:02.920 history of canada walked everywhere biked everywhere you'd see him skating on the radu
00:13:08.120 canal he and he got he ended up dying of prostate cancer yeah which you know you think yourself it
00:13:14.680 shouldn't like it shouldn't have you know of all people pst you know screening um you know checking
00:13:21.480 your prostate you know that's one thing quite frankly that for some reason and it's very
00:13:26.040 interesting and this is you know i'll be light on the the analysis of it but a lot of actually
00:13:32.360 physical tests of prostrates have gone and a lot of doctors don't do that anymore they just do
00:13:36.840 the blood uh psa tests and if your psa is fine yeah again you know those are things we should be
00:13:44.040 now we leave that to our uh gps to do it should be leaving it to gps or we should we be able to go
00:13:51.080 to somewhere where they look at the markers in your blood they look at your prostate they look
00:13:56.040 at breast cancer they look call rectal they looked all those things and they do a screening so is it
00:14:02.280 time given the rates to switch off and actually start to put together clinics where people just
00:14:08.440 focus on cancer and i you know we haven't talked about it but i really do think that maybe it's
00:14:13.800 time to to really create clinics and create places where canadians can go to and maybe they do an
00:14:19.960 annual checkup where they do five tests right so you go in it's almost like you're doing a cancer
00:14:25.320 tune-up they're doing um blood and urine and everything else analyzing with ai hey we've seen
00:14:31.320 some things in your dna and your markers we're going to check for this and this just to make
00:14:36.280 sure everything's okay now if you get a green light and everything thank you i would feel pretty
00:14:40.680 confident comfortable that i'm in good shape 46 of the con the cancers i mentioned at the beginning
00:14:46.760 of the show are what are the maturity uh mortality rates come from yeah so quite frankly you know
00:14:53.240 you're cutting out half of that chance i it's the science is ever evolving paul i i think
00:15:00.840 cancer it's changed over the years think about the human body what what canadians did for a living
00:15:07.720 and how they lived their lives at the like in the early 1900s a lot of people were doing physical
00:15:13.320 work yes you know with the diet was different there was no such thing as fast food you didn't
00:15:19.280 have as much chemicals and microplastics in your system as environments change and lifestyle
00:15:25.040 changes and the world changes. I think the types of cancer you might be exposed to or potentially
00:15:31.480 receiving or getting are changing all the time. And that's where medicine is constantly trying
00:15:36.460 to change and evolve with it. And that's where if AI can do something good using AI in a health
00:15:43.020 screening aspect, Paul, and realizing, oh, wait a second, so-and-so there's something wrong here.
00:15:48.740 We need to test for that. And then I think, I don't know how you would say no to that if you're
00:15:54.220 a person no well that that's what i mean if i have a dedicated clinic just to cancer a cancer
00:15:59.740 clinic yeah i quite frankly i would be paying money and maybe that's time for even you know i
00:16:04.300 know we we hate to say this um in canada because we we have our public health care system but maybe
00:16:10.220 we do need to branch out and maybe we need to have uh clinics that just are developed for cancer
00:16:17.740 you know it's interesting because i took a look at ai technologies and i spent a lot of time
00:16:23.100 during covid looking at mrna yes and you know a lot of us know about uh because it was something
00:16:29.740 we talked about during covet and it didn't catch on quite frankly the big pharma companies kind of
00:16:35.420 went another direction a lot of people especially out in bc at ubc we became the almost the
00:16:43.020 international leader at mra mrna um and and protein protein synthesis and how we were doing it and we
00:16:50.140 did a fantastic job we have some brilliant scientists and they're on the cusp of some uh
00:16:56.140 breakthrough technologies but even even having them and more latitude and more research right now
00:17:04.140 between ai mrna and going and tackling some of these diseases and you know if you get a disease
00:17:09.900 now um a friend of ours just came out of uh having thank goodness he had a tumor oh uh you know he
00:17:18.700 worked with us he's still working with us he's just getting over it oh yeah um but it's amazing
00:17:23.180 because now he went in and and the technology is robotic yes in surgery in tumors in the brain and
00:17:30.940 other places in the body so so it's less invasive less invasive it's it's right on spot there's not
00:17:38.300 as many errors yeah everything else so we're able to find tumors lesions and all those cancerous
00:17:44.700 things we're getting there yeah we're getting more faster and and and but you know it's getting ahead
00:17:50.380 of it and creating the mrna technology that actually is in front of us and starting to
00:17:56.860 the treatments and the the vaccines and things we can use right now to start to narrow down
00:18:04.460 you know let's say four main culprits of cancer let's get to three and let's get to two and let
00:18:10.380 let's start to set some benchmarks because you know we we've done a from uh terry fox onward
00:18:15.980 we've done a magnificent job we're i looked at the 24 numbers for fundraising canadians spend about
00:18:23.580 uh 200 million bucks donating money to cancer yeah it's a that's a staggering number
00:18:30.620 governments at 7.5 billion treatments billions of dollars we we we are spending the time effort
00:18:38.140 canadians get it they've been uh they've seen millions of people impacted in their life over
00:18:43.580 their lifetimes now it's time to say okay how do we kind of uh change that uh path and move towards
00:18:53.340 and start to catch some of these because i think well my first suggestion is when i every time i go
00:18:58.140 to the doctor they do a blood test and they check my cholesterol and because i have a history of
00:19:03.500 type two diabetes in my family they check for that why couldn't they take some of it
00:19:07.980 and put it in ai screening to see if there's any cancer precursors in your blood in your dna what
00:19:15.020 i mean if you're already giving blood to your checkup to make sure you don't have this and this
00:19:19.980 why don't we develop a way that so it's it's not costing you and i extra money but just part of
00:19:25.260 the lab work that you get and then the then from there like oh hey we saw something now do this
00:19:30.620 test nfc you know and do it along the way yeah so uh my wife and i actually a few years ago we
00:19:38.540 decided to do some private healthcare screening okay so we went and we spent a day um we went to
00:19:44.940 a private one of the private ones and it was expensive i'm not lying yeah but you know we
00:19:49.820 said to each other let's uh try it and let's see the difference in testing and it was night and day
00:19:57.020 so you know right now uh you know uh to go and get a an annual checkup is kind of rudimentary
00:20:05.720 you know we give blood uh blood pressure heart lungs right yeah you know in a half hour oh yeah
00:20:14.080 yeah right we're done and they ask you paul how you feel oh yeah okay okay thanks yeah you know
00:20:19.320 since covid no one really touches you they don't look for lesions they don't look anything you know
00:20:24.880 you barely take off your shirt so nothing happens and and that's what we do um but it's not enough
00:20:32.340 like it's not enough and it's gone to a point where uh i think we we dumbed the process down
00:20:38.540 too much and now right we got to figure out a way to reorient the process and get it to the
00:20:45.740 point where it really is a checkup not well let's use the technology so if the doctors are saying
00:20:51.520 I don't have enough time I'm overwhelmed there's not enough family doctors okay let's use the
00:20:57.140 technology that's growing weekly get that blood test screen it and use it and then build something
00:21:04.300 from there now you're talking Jim because you know you and I talked about this on another show
00:21:08.320 which is interesting we went we took a look at Quebec when they were coming out the new strategy
00:21:13.420 for healthcare yes i know that everyone hated i know uh the premier lego they all jumped all over
00:21:20.940 um and the and his career in politics and he did and uh i'm trying to think of the gentleman who
00:21:26.860 did the uh uh minister of health care oh yeah yeah he was a business person but you know what
00:21:35.020 he did have an idea and it was to put them in a group so what they did is they actually were
00:21:40.620 going to move people to specialists uh based on their age and their uh co-morbilities and other
00:21:49.420 issues and they were going to move them into a different set of health care providers including
00:21:54.060 doctors uh physicians uh anyone in the healthcare that would help whatever issues they had so they
00:22:01.180 were going to subdivide people uh so you might start off with your same doctor at the beginning
00:22:06.460 but over time based on whatever health issues you're dealing with you'd be moved to a new group
00:22:13.340 and that group was a bunch of people who fall into fell into a different category and i think
00:22:19.100 that itself is brilliant well okay think about this you're a 25 year old woman living somewhere
00:22:25.820 in canada you're active you got a job you probably play recreational tennis and other sports so
00:22:31.260 So you're fit that what you're the doctors looking for you would be so different than a 65, 70 year old woman who maybe has a joint issue or have had different health issues.
00:22:44.360 Of course, they'd be that's different medicine, wouldn't it be?
00:22:47.620 Oh, yeah, totally. Well, you know, it's interesting. This is and this is my logic and how I dealt with health care.
00:22:54.560 um what I did when I decided to get a family doctor I was single at the time um I went out
00:23:01.580 and I found a uh person a gentleman who is my age oh I grew up in a similar I grew up in Ontario
00:23:10.760 okay and I tried to get him as as my GP and then grow with him as you got older with him and what
00:23:17.240 I did is I said to him any test that you're getting as you get older just give me why not
00:23:21.980 Yeah. Good logic. I thought it was because I had had a older gentleman who is my doctor when I was younger. So he was on the way to retire. Everyone in my family had the same doctor. Wonderful guy. I loved him to death as a kid because he was, you know, he's like part of the family. And my dad, my mom, my sister, everyone knew.
00:23:45.880 the challenge was as i got older we were moving away he was going to my my sister you know had
00:23:52.300 different issues i had different issues my mom and dad were aging so he was no longer able to
00:23:57.980 help us and he retired then my sister my mom and dad went to the same lady who again was not my age 0.99
00:24:06.520 so and i'm a male and so i went to her a couple times and i sat down and wonderful lady uh different 1.00
00:24:14.880 age younger than i was at the time um and quite frankly we're having discussions but i didn't feel
00:24:20.720 that she was going to be able to uh i she knew what she was doing but it wasn't she wasn't going
00:24:26.240 to be giving me uh advice that i needed so i went and i found this gentleman now as we got go going
00:24:33.840 this is very interesting and i it just happened now as i'm turning 60 i found quite frankly that
00:24:41.600 we are moving off my doctor has quite a few health problems really yeah okay so he's struggling with
00:24:49.360 a lot of issues oh right now i'm not interested in those issues he hasn't shared with but i can
00:24:54.000 tell sort of when i see him you know he's got his own challenges you know and you can kind of see
00:24:59.440 that he's you know he's struggling right now so i haven't gone into the details of them i don't want
00:25:04.400 to it's his own personal challenges but you know as he goes off quite frankly he might be better to
00:25:10.960 to be with people that are and i'm not saying he has it that have diabetes there's people that
00:25:16.340 have or need a knee replacement or whatever it is a cholesterol yeah you know anything so whatever
00:25:23.500 he has he'd be better to go off and maybe he goes into that category of people that have those
00:25:28.720 challenges at his age yeah and isn't that a great way to do it i don't you know i like the idea i
00:25:35.500 The problem is with Canadian healthcare, Paul, we just don't have the resources to be that selective.
00:25:42.360 I'll admit the last three family doctors that I had were all women, and they were actually all really good.
00:25:47.740 And my current one, I've got no complaints.
00:25:50.360 The problem is it's like anything in life.
00:25:54.300 You can have 2,000 doctors.
00:25:56.520 They're not all going to be all-stars.
00:25:58.740 Some will be better than others.
00:26:00.320 Of course.
00:26:00.860 And you are lucky if you get a really good one.
00:26:03.420 And I think that's, we, you know, we expect so much out of our doctors and our healthcare
00:26:09.380 in Canada, and we're always going, we have the best healthcare.
00:26:12.460 We have free healthcare, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:14.500 But we have to understand they're human beings.
00:26:16.900 They're not always perfect.
00:26:18.180 They're not always right.
00:26:19.560 They could need help sometimes.
00:26:21.060 And this is where let's utilize the technology, the AI technology, take an extra blood test
00:26:27.100 or whatever they need or DNA test.
00:26:29.100 when you do a checkup and use the ai to see if there's something wrong it helps them diagnose
00:26:35.100 anything earlier and it helps you know that whether you have a problem or not so it's interesting i
00:26:40.040 went i went and took a look and i said what's happening in japan and south korea right now
00:26:44.740 five years survival for selected cancers in those countries they have a 70 percent uh survival rate
00:26:51.820 it's crazy how good they've gotten almost almost double what we have right now but very healthy
00:26:58.640 countries baseline healthy countries but they're also using the technology to help them through so
00:27:04.640 as their population is aging especially in japan oh yeah hugely age population well so here's the
00:27:11.520 interesting thing and i just had i just left the show on housing yes you know real estate chris
00:27:16.960 with chris yeah and we were having this conversation and we're talking about the
00:27:20.720 trends in real estate due to the aging population right so as much as as much as we can ignore it
00:27:27.760 and keep because of all the issues going on in healthcare and all the challenges right now
00:27:32.640 we can't ignore that 25 of our population is going to be over the age of 65 pretty soon
00:27:39.360 yeah right yeah so we're getting there so when we hit there quite frankly we're going to have
00:27:45.360 to specialize our the challenge jim we're arriving at just like this the show we had before we went
00:27:52.160 over the we went over uh the budget deficits by province in the show right they're big there's not
00:28:00.560 one province you can watch the show but on the the cole's notes i'll give it to you straight up yeah
00:28:06.480 there's not one province that doesn't have a deficit i believe that we are going to surpass
00:28:11.040 78 billion in our federal deficit this year for 2026 so it year end ends uh march 31st and with
00:28:19.120 everything going on in iran that's not going to help things not at all they're saying to us they're
00:28:24.080 telling us right now in provinces like ontario we can't sustain so they're saying they're giving us
00:28:30.400 the the the finance minister came out last month and he just said hey by the way i'm telling you
00:28:36.800 right up front i'm not going to sugarcoat it we cannot keep putting much as much money into
00:28:43.120 healthcare on an annual basis we don't have the money okay well two things if you live in ontario
00:28:50.640 you'd be like well if you spent less time hanging out with all the developers you might have more
00:28:55.120 money but the second thing is why not use the technology to stretch the money further why not
00:29:02.000 use ai why not use the the developing and emerging technology that seems to be changing on a regular
00:29:08.480 basis to stretch what if that's all that we have we'd have to make it go a lot further that's all
00:29:14.000 we have so that we have to make we have to find a way to make it stretch out you can you honestly
00:29:19.200 you can be a union you can be in healthcare you can be you know you can be anyone you want pretend
00:29:24.640 anyone you want yeah there's only so many dollars they get it they can't go any further they're done
00:29:29.920 yeah there's no magic uh federal government uh health care subsidy coming there's none there's
00:29:38.560 no transfer payments no province no province in canada right now is giving any transfer payments
00:29:46.400 positively to the federal government because they can't afford it it's gone they didn't yeah alberta
00:29:50.960 was the last one and alberta's gone into a negative deficit so there's no money coming
00:29:55.520 across to the federal government so there's no more health care subsidies coming so quite frankly
00:30:00.880 they're the provinces are starting to cut off and say we don't it's it that's all we got so if we
00:30:08.560 don't and you know i know we're going deep into the health no no but this is part of it but you
00:30:13.680 know you look at cancer and you think to yourself my goodness if the highest per capita rate of
00:30:19.120 cancer is happening in canada and we don't have any other than we're doing a great job at
00:30:25.600 you know donations we're doing a great job at research and development but we won't get there
00:30:31.760 then because if we run out of money and we have to decrease uh research and we have to decrease
00:30:37.280 that affects the health of all canadians it does so then how do you change the structure of health
00:30:44.000 care especially when it comes to cancers to go get it i think really it's now we have to go kind of
00:30:49.760 one by one and we need to prioritize different types of health care and say okay we're we take
00:30:55.040 mrna for an example if our ubc uh research that's happening right now is so far ahead of the rest of
00:31:03.840 the world we got to make sure we don't give it to someone else because as much as absolutely not as
00:31:08.800 much as russia just came out with this truthfully we're way ahead of russia like we've been way
00:31:13.760 ahead of russia on this for years so we have to protect it at all costs we didn't protect it it
00:31:19.200 got loose they took it out and they they tested it they're a little more liberal on how they do
00:31:23.680 their testing quite frankly you know they're more willing to take something to market with
00:31:28.240 less testing canada's a lot stricter and we're a lot stricter but quite frankly we're running
00:31:32.720 into the challenge of we only have so much money we are where we are and we need to kind of move
00:31:37.040 little faster now we need to get there and then reorganize our proactive proactive uh examination
00:31:45.440 of people try to keep people healthier so we don't run in and we don't get here where we're treating
00:31:50.560 it with years of uh drug and pharma and all the things that are costing us all this money to get
00:31:57.360 to and that's a shame because we are faced with it now we're not in that we're not in the we don't
00:32:03.120 have the luxury just like our last housing yes you know i just the reality is here right now
00:32:09.280 staring us in the face we're here right so you can say that i'm going to own a home and it's going to
00:32:14.240 go up six percent a year and that's going to happen that's not here anymore you can say that
00:32:20.080 i won't need more money for healthcare healthcare that's not here anymore right so my my thought
00:32:26.160 paul is and i to add on to what you're saying and this is the reality we're facing as canadians
00:32:31.680 let's start with a ground up holistic approach healthier lifestyle making sure we have access to
00:32:39.280 you know food affordable food and exercise make sure that when we're to go to the doctor and they
00:32:45.840 do the blood test they do another test to check for anything that may be potentially cancer related
00:32:52.640 if we're doing a test like that when we're doing our blood tests anyways wouldn't that help i mean
00:32:58.960 it takes just a few extra seconds then they're going to the lab anyways and then they see
00:33:04.000 something in your system to me that's where the the ai technology and the medical technology
00:33:09.600 they're like oh you need to do this now no no you need to do that now and then you're catching
00:33:14.320 stuff and maybe uh extending your life or maybe actually curing it all together yeah no i well
00:33:20.400 also and i agree with you you know we talked about earlier the fact that uh cancer and different
00:33:26.240 types of cancer uh leads to the fact that in certain provinces it's way higher than other
00:33:32.560 places now yes and certain countries too right well us yeah yeah per capita per capita but
00:33:38.480 you know if i live in ontario quebec and bc i have a higher now population's higher i get it right
00:33:44.400 now drill down and find out what these people do you know recently they just found out that
00:33:49.440 guys who cut granite are like getting cancer like no tomorrow oh really so if you're in the dust from
00:33:56.640 the rock yeah if you're getting it's brutal right huh so like we got to come up with something it's
00:34:01.760 it's not a it's not an unknown fact anymore you know we've we've done this on a number of fronts
00:34:06.400 where we just ignore quite frankly different industries saying well yeah that does cause
00:34:11.200 cancer because you're exposed to something that gets in your system yeah we know what those are
00:34:15.680 now yeah now now we either have to find uh new products to move to that aren't going to kill
00:34:21.360 people from a cancer that that we know is happening and we've known that you know i've been
00:34:26.560 ever since i've been a kid you know whether it's been uh uh you know insulation to anything asbestos
00:34:34.320 asbestos anything you want to talk about i remember when i was a kid you know guys you know working
00:34:39.600 with asbestos and wouldn't wear masks and didn't talk about uh you know for years you know i heard
00:34:45.200 stories of farmers mixing um they're pretty strong chemicals for fertilizer with the arm
00:34:51.200 in a big drum before they started spraying on the field yeah yeah that was common when i had my farm
00:34:56.080 crepes they you know we used to uh rent out uh land and i used to watch them uh mixing you know
00:35:02.720 the different chemicals to spread i'd be like oh my goodness and also on you know in construction
00:35:08.160 i've seen it since day one we know what it is now we just need to stop yeah we need to replace and
00:35:14.240 then move forward and i think that's you know something we need to move faster reality is we
00:35:20.800 can't afford to treat it or we need to you know stop ignore it but that we're coming to a point
00:35:27.040 where we don't have the capability that our treatment is getting too expensive i i i refuse
00:35:34.880 to believe a country like canada with the resources we have even though things are getting tight
00:35:40.240 financially that we can't come up with a logical solution at better detection and um better ways
00:35:48.660 of prevention and making sure people are educated that they're not exposing themselves to certain
00:35:53.940 certain things or have the right protection if they're going to be exposed to certain things
00:35:58.300 and then when they get tested when they go to a doctor they're checking for certain things
00:36:02.280 to make sure you don't have it or not because i'm i'm a big believer in the screening process paul
00:36:07.020 because if they find something or they think there's something about to happen they can deal
00:36:11.980 with it yeah no i'm with they've proven that in this country time and time again well yeah they
00:36:17.980 we have proven we can do it we we tend to get you know i was reading uh something just coming into
00:36:23.100 the show and it was someone who did a little bit of a swot analysis on on cancer and medicine in
00:36:28.620 canada and healthcare they said you know regional disparities and access to advanced treatments
00:36:34.060 funding constraints and rising demand by strain resources yeah those are the reasons those are
00:36:43.500 the threats we're going through and the weaknesses are wait times shortages in oncology and radiology
00:36:51.340 radiotherapy limited care capacity if you're in rural new brunswick you probably have to go to
00:36:56.620 st john or moncton for a specialist if you're in northern quebec or northern manitoba you have to
00:37:01.980 travel to a big city for a specialist but but how you know this is the crazy part how are we at the
00:37:07.340 point where these are still issues we we know yeah we know the mortality rates we know the incident
00:37:12.460 rates we know what 46 of the cancers that are killing people right now this is where you know
00:37:19.420 prioritizing what we're doing uh getting people in place figuring out where people can go to get
00:37:25.820 part of a group or part of a a whole network of people not only helping others that have it but
00:37:31.260 people who do have it and they can learn to move forward to me it seems it just seems strange that
00:37:36.300 we've isolated this to a province by province disease by disease and we haven't done that and
00:37:42.220 that's that's the sad part right now and i definitely don't want to pile on governments
00:37:46.540 because once upon a time they advertised and promoted cigarettes as being good for you yeah
00:37:51.740 yeah i remember and then they found out later that they were lying that it actually is not good for
00:37:55.980 you yes and you know you've heard different things about sugar too much sugar is bad for you
00:38:01.260 and they kept saying like they tried like so there's you know it's it's big business it's
00:38:06.780 companies you know trying to cook the books to like convince people that things are okay for you
00:38:11.980 you can eat this drink this smoke that and nothing will happen to you later that a lot in life then
00:38:16.700 you pay the price for it but we have you know and again same thing i'm not trying to but we have
00:38:21.900 ministers of healthcare yes you know basically we have one federally we have many provincial yes we
00:38:27.500 do yeah where are they where are they because they know you know they know the stats they know
00:38:32.700 when you look at the common diseases cancer all the things that are happening they where are they
00:38:38.060 what are they doing and what is the plan and how do they deal with because to me you know it's one
00:38:43.820 thing for the finance minister each of the finance ministers from each of the provinces come out and
00:38:48.700 say i'm running out of money okay now turn it over step up and get your minister of health care get
00:38:56.460 them to step up and say okay we got to retool this now and i know he didn't do it properly i know i
00:39:02.060 know when we bring up quebec people don't like the fact that quebec was the it was too heavy handed
00:39:07.500 but they're trying something he's trying something and his idea was you know and where he was stuck
00:39:13.900 i think where they got caught in the end was he just couldn't get you know two million or whatever
00:39:21.020 the number was it was a crazy number of people who couldn't get any doctors or any it's a big number
00:39:25.900 it was a big number and i don't remember the exact number but it was insane number of people could
00:39:30.380 not get any health care other than clinics and then what happened was over time they shut the
00:39:35.900 clinics down into almost private clinics and they couldn't even get to clinics right so here's a
00:39:40.540 problem in canada i think we should seriously look at paul this is the case right now if you're a
00:39:46.940 liberal member of parliament or ndp or conservative and you're the ruling party one of your mps is
00:39:55.340 appointed the minister of health now i could be appointed to minister health or you because that's
00:40:01.020 my portfolio why because it's so important in canada does the minister of health have to be
00:40:07.020 part of the government could we do something like some other countries and say you know it's okay to
00:40:13.260 be finance and transportation infrastructure but the minister of health is a former physician oh
00:40:19.260 yeah with experience in hospitals in health care it's separate from the government and deal is
00:40:26.140 dealt with hospitals and cancer rewards and emergency departments i think we're at a point
00:40:31.500 in the country we need a dedicated health care professional who because right now in a government
00:40:37.500 they do cabinet shuffles all the time so you might have a minister of health care for a year
00:40:41.500 year and a half then they're shuffled exactly that happens all the time exactly why not have
00:40:46.540 a a physician who's the minister of health who oversees health care in canada that would make
00:40:52.460 so much more sense in this country i agree i agree and you know what once we do that quite frankly
00:40:58.620 you know it has to be a longer term plan so it doesn't it's not a political appointment it's
00:41:04.420 like a five years you could straddle two two elections it's not a political appointment
00:41:08.200 because quite frankly we can't move money around we're getting to the point where moving money
00:41:13.140 around to support health care and regions by election or by areas to benefit right it's not
00:41:19.840 a good idea anymore because we know quite frankly as i mentioned earlier we know the places where
00:41:25.420 cancer has become the highest and we know where we need specialists and ecologists and hospitals
00:41:31.780 so if you have a neutral minister of health who that goes for a prolonged period that doesn't get
00:41:37.680 tied in no yeah yeah for it goes a 10 or an eight year term they're going to put a clinic in and
00:41:44.240 physicians in to parts of the country it doesn't matter what they're riding because they know they
00:41:49.100 need it there and then quite frankly jim let's set some targets yeah let's analyze how that person's
00:41:55.220 doing right so let's create let's spend some money pay that person to do it yeah target how
00:42:00.720 it's going talk to people about where they're at get feedback feedback and try to try to resolve
00:42:06.300 things rather than just you know doing it all of a sudden election comes they get wiped out
00:42:11.560 quite frankly new person's there everyone gives up hope it becomes really about a bunch of people
00:42:16.680 who are disjointed so you're tie off think about this paul you're a veteran doctor in a big canadian
00:42:21.840 city who's you know working those crazy shifts and all that who would you rather deal with as
00:42:28.260 the minister of health someone who got elected and that's their job it basically has people
00:42:33.300 handing them binders and information because they're learning the portfolio or someone that
00:42:37.860 was in the trenches with you for two or three decades and it's a former health care professional
00:42:42.360 i don't it's a no-brainer let the doctors vote right and let's the other thing right let's have
00:42:48.740 this person be at the end of their career right so let's pick a person who's you know they're done
00:42:54.220 they're not gonna they're not gonna have a caseload anymore they've got enough experience
00:42:59.380 they can understand the job they can understand all aspects of it they have enough background and
00:43:04.740 quite frankly they come in and that's the last eight years of their uh right profession until
00:43:10.020 they retire and then then that good you know they that's the way they you know do great things for
00:43:15.640 community and society before they go off and have their retirement and then they're able to take a
00:43:21.640 neutral view of the country in northern alberta we need this in central north brunswick we need
00:43:27.900 this in winnipeg we need that and look at every city in every part of the country and identify it
00:43:32.880 the cancer numbers are drastically different oh my goodness they go down right so you know you go
00:43:38.340 north they're zero right right you go the east coast they're low yeah right so you know you kind
00:43:44.840 you keep going you you come to the more industrial cities wham then they bounce up right well let's
00:43:50.700 get let's deal with it then yeah let's well i mean i i i think health care is such an important part
00:43:57.360 of canadian society now as alluded to you earlier by you paul that with such a huge amount of the
00:44:03.400 population 65 and over we're over 41 million as a country and it's instead of just appointing
00:44:10.220 someone oh so and so get elected they're the mp of this riding now you're the minister of health
00:44:14.880 i i mean it's time it is time in this country to look seriously at something like that especially
00:44:20.960 with our budget issues exactly yeah exactly they're not looking at it to get re-elected
00:44:25.960 they're looking at it to maximize whatever money they have to work with and and instead of i know
00:44:30.820 a lot of groups are unhappy and i you know lately in a lot of provinces she's like you know we're
00:44:35.520 unhappy if they're going to cut they can't do anything i get i get the complaint i get why
00:44:41.560 they're saying that but for people already in the industry for in the healthcare industry
00:44:46.680 you know and we're coming up to you mentioned april being cancer month yeah we're coming up to
00:44:52.140 it there's no more money to do it you can you can get people to donate a little more money but quite
00:44:57.060 frankly with everything going on with me you run out of that that clock is running out too right
00:45:03.840 unfortunately is running out so you know you have to you have to create it my my advice at this
00:45:10.280 point is to create a strategy to deal with the environment you're in right and that means change
00:45:14.860 this is what we have yeah this is what we have to deal with probably for the next few years
00:45:19.240 how can we maximize the money and get the most health care bang for the buck with the parameters
00:45:25.220 that we're working with because just holding your hand out asking for more the government's
00:45:29.740 say sir there's no more to give you yeah and they're not no and that's why we always talk
00:45:34.220 He's Paul. I'm Jim.
00:45:35.340 Thanks for watching.