While the war in Afghanistan rolls on, and why the news cycle rolls on daily in the world, in our own world here in Canada, there is also the reality that cancer is affecting thousands of canadians every day. It s a battle that we continue to fight at the best we can, and it s still affecting everyone at any time.
00:12:11.080and and quite frankly research wise we're over 500 uh well half a billion dollars yeah right now
00:12:18.040for basically funding uh research so we're moving very quickly but are we moving enough
00:12:25.880to get in front of this disease so the question becomes now you know we've done a lot we've done
00:12:31.160a lot to uh you know oncology we've done enough to figure out treatments uh for different cancers
00:12:38.920but are we doing proactively to get that under control and that's where we've kind of
00:12:43.320fallen behind some of the other countries some of the leaders and i think that's why our per capita
00:12:48.520uh rates have not gone down enough right we're still close to uh 200 per 100 000 which is high
00:12:57.800if you think about wow i keep going back to jack layton was like the healthiest older man in the
00:13:02.920history of canada walked everywhere biked everywhere you'd see him skating on the radu
00:13:08.120canal he and he got he ended up dying of prostate cancer yeah which you know you think yourself it
00:13:14.680shouldn't like it shouldn't have you know of all people pst you know screening um you know checking
00:13:21.480your prostate you know that's one thing quite frankly that for some reason and it's very
00:13:26.040interesting and this is you know i'll be light on the the analysis of it but a lot of actually
00:13:32.360physical tests of prostrates have gone and a lot of doctors don't do that anymore they just do
00:13:36.840the blood uh psa tests and if your psa is fine yeah again you know those are things we should be
00:13:44.040now we leave that to our uh gps to do it should be leaving it to gps or we should we be able to go
00:13:51.080to somewhere where they look at the markers in your blood they look at your prostate they look
00:13:56.040at breast cancer they look call rectal they looked all those things and they do a screening so is it
00:14:02.280time given the rates to switch off and actually start to put together clinics where people just
00:14:08.440focus on cancer and i you know we haven't talked about it but i really do think that maybe it's
00:14:13.800time to to really create clinics and create places where canadians can go to and maybe they do an
00:14:19.960annual checkup where they do five tests right so you go in it's almost like you're doing a cancer
00:14:25.320tune-up they're doing um blood and urine and everything else analyzing with ai hey we've seen
00:14:31.320some things in your dna and your markers we're going to check for this and this just to make
00:14:36.280sure everything's okay now if you get a green light and everything thank you i would feel pretty
00:14:40.680confident comfortable that i'm in good shape 46 of the con the cancers i mentioned at the beginning
00:14:46.760of the show are what are the maturity uh mortality rates come from yeah so quite frankly you know
00:14:53.240you're cutting out half of that chance i it's the science is ever evolving paul i i think
00:15:00.840cancer it's changed over the years think about the human body what what canadians did for a living
00:15:07.720and how they lived their lives at the like in the early 1900s a lot of people were doing physical
00:15:13.320work yes you know with the diet was different there was no such thing as fast food you didn't
00:15:19.280have as much chemicals and microplastics in your system as environments change and lifestyle
00:15:25.040changes and the world changes. I think the types of cancer you might be exposed to or potentially
00:15:31.480receiving or getting are changing all the time. And that's where medicine is constantly trying
00:15:36.460to change and evolve with it. And that's where if AI can do something good using AI in a health
00:15:43.020screening aspect, Paul, and realizing, oh, wait a second, so-and-so there's something wrong here.
00:15:48.740We need to test for that. And then I think, I don't know how you would say no to that if you're
00:15:54.220a person no well that that's what i mean if i have a dedicated clinic just to cancer a cancer
00:15:59.740clinic yeah i quite frankly i would be paying money and maybe that's time for even you know i
00:16:04.300know we we hate to say this um in canada because we we have our public health care system but maybe
00:16:10.220we do need to branch out and maybe we need to have uh clinics that just are developed for cancer
00:16:17.740you know it's interesting because i took a look at ai technologies and i spent a lot of time
00:16:23.100during covid looking at mrna yes and you know a lot of us know about uh because it was something
00:16:29.740we talked about during covet and it didn't catch on quite frankly the big pharma companies kind of
00:16:35.420went another direction a lot of people especially out in bc at ubc we became the almost the
00:16:43.020international leader at mra mrna um and and protein protein synthesis and how we were doing it and we
00:16:50.140did a fantastic job we have some brilliant scientists and they're on the cusp of some uh
00:16:56.140breakthrough technologies but even even having them and more latitude and more research right now
00:17:04.140between ai mrna and going and tackling some of these diseases and you know if you get a disease
00:17:09.900now um a friend of ours just came out of uh having thank goodness he had a tumor oh uh you know he
00:17:18.700worked with us he's still working with us he's just getting over it oh yeah um but it's amazing
00:17:23.180because now he went in and and the technology is robotic yes in surgery in tumors in the brain and
00:17:30.940other places in the body so so it's less invasive less invasive it's it's right on spot there's not
00:17:38.300as many errors yeah everything else so we're able to find tumors lesions and all those cancerous
00:17:44.700things we're getting there yeah we're getting more faster and and and but you know it's getting ahead
00:17:50.380of it and creating the mrna technology that actually is in front of us and starting to
00:17:56.860the treatments and the the vaccines and things we can use right now to start to narrow down
00:18:04.460you know let's say four main culprits of cancer let's get to three and let's get to two and let
00:18:10.380let's start to set some benchmarks because you know we we've done a from uh terry fox onward
00:18:15.980we've done a magnificent job we're i looked at the 24 numbers for fundraising canadians spend about
00:18:23.580uh 200 million bucks donating money to cancer yeah it's a that's a staggering number
00:18:30.620governments at 7.5 billion treatments billions of dollars we we we are spending the time effort
00:18:38.140canadians get it they've been uh they've seen millions of people impacted in their life over
00:18:43.580their lifetimes now it's time to say okay how do we kind of uh change that uh path and move towards
00:18:53.340and start to catch some of these because i think well my first suggestion is when i every time i go
00:18:58.140to the doctor they do a blood test and they check my cholesterol and because i have a history of
00:19:03.500type two diabetes in my family they check for that why couldn't they take some of it
00:19:07.980and put it in ai screening to see if there's any cancer precursors in your blood in your dna what
00:19:15.020i mean if you're already giving blood to your checkup to make sure you don't have this and this
00:19:19.980why don't we develop a way that so it's it's not costing you and i extra money but just part of
00:19:25.260the lab work that you get and then the then from there like oh hey we saw something now do this
00:19:30.620test nfc you know and do it along the way yeah so uh my wife and i actually a few years ago we
00:19:38.540decided to do some private healthcare screening okay so we went and we spent a day um we went to
00:19:44.940a private one of the private ones and it was expensive i'm not lying yeah but you know we
00:19:49.820said to each other let's uh try it and let's see the difference in testing and it was night and day
00:19:57.020so you know right now uh you know uh to go and get a an annual checkup is kind of rudimentary
00:20:05.720you know we give blood uh blood pressure heart lungs right yeah you know in a half hour oh yeah
00:20:14.080yeah right we're done and they ask you paul how you feel oh yeah okay okay thanks yeah you know
00:20:19.320since covid no one really touches you they don't look for lesions they don't look anything you know
00:20:24.880you barely take off your shirt so nothing happens and and that's what we do um but it's not enough
00:20:32.340like it's not enough and it's gone to a point where uh i think we we dumbed the process down
00:20:38.540too much and now right we got to figure out a way to reorient the process and get it to the
00:20:45.740point where it really is a checkup not well let's use the technology so if the doctors are saying
00:20:51.520I don't have enough time I'm overwhelmed there's not enough family doctors okay let's use the
00:20:57.140technology that's growing weekly get that blood test screen it and use it and then build something
00:21:04.300from there now you're talking Jim because you know you and I talked about this on another show
00:21:08.320which is interesting we went we took a look at Quebec when they were coming out the new strategy
00:21:13.420for healthcare yes i know that everyone hated i know uh the premier lego they all jumped all over
00:21:20.940um and the and his career in politics and he did and uh i'm trying to think of the gentleman who
00:21:26.860did the uh uh minister of health care oh yeah yeah he was a business person but you know what
00:21:35.020he did have an idea and it was to put them in a group so what they did is they actually were
00:21:40.620going to move people to specialists uh based on their age and their uh co-morbilities and other
00:21:49.420issues and they were going to move them into a different set of health care providers including
00:21:54.060doctors uh physicians uh anyone in the healthcare that would help whatever issues they had so they
00:22:01.180were going to subdivide people uh so you might start off with your same doctor at the beginning
00:22:06.460but over time based on whatever health issues you're dealing with you'd be moved to a new group
00:22:13.340and that group was a bunch of people who fall into fell into a different category and i think
00:22:19.100that itself is brilliant well okay think about this you're a 25 year old woman living somewhere
00:22:25.820in canada you're active you got a job you probably play recreational tennis and other sports so
00:22:31.260So you're fit that what you're the doctors looking for you would be so different than a 65, 70 year old woman who maybe has a joint issue or have had different health issues.
00:22:44.360Of course, they'd be that's different medicine, wouldn't it be?
00:22:47.620Oh, yeah, totally. Well, you know, it's interesting. This is and this is my logic and how I dealt with health care.
00:22:54.560um what I did when I decided to get a family doctor I was single at the time um I went out
00:23:01.580and I found a uh person a gentleman who is my age oh I grew up in a similar I grew up in Ontario
00:23:10.760okay and I tried to get him as as my GP and then grow with him as you got older with him and what
00:23:17.240I did is I said to him any test that you're getting as you get older just give me why not
00:23:21.980Yeah. Good logic. I thought it was because I had had a older gentleman who is my doctor when I was younger. So he was on the way to retire. Everyone in my family had the same doctor. Wonderful guy. I loved him to death as a kid because he was, you know, he's like part of the family. And my dad, my mom, my sister, everyone knew.
00:23:45.880the challenge was as i got older we were moving away he was going to my my sister you know had
00:23:52.300different issues i had different issues my mom and dad were aging so he was no longer able to
00:23:57.980help us and he retired then my sister my mom and dad went to the same lady who again was not my age0.99
00:24:06.520so and i'm a male and so i went to her a couple times and i sat down and wonderful lady uh different1.00
00:24:14.880age younger than i was at the time um and quite frankly we're having discussions but i didn't feel
00:24:20.720that she was going to be able to uh i she knew what she was doing but it wasn't she wasn't going
00:24:26.240to be giving me uh advice that i needed so i went and i found this gentleman now as we got go going
00:24:33.840this is very interesting and i it just happened now as i'm turning 60 i found quite frankly that
00:24:41.600we are moving off my doctor has quite a few health problems really yeah okay so he's struggling with
00:24:49.360a lot of issues oh right now i'm not interested in those issues he hasn't shared with but i can
00:24:54.000tell sort of when i see him you know he's got his own challenges you know and you can kind of see
00:24:59.440that he's you know he's struggling right now so i haven't gone into the details of them i don't want
00:25:04.400to it's his own personal challenges but you know as he goes off quite frankly he might be better to
00:25:10.960to be with people that are and i'm not saying he has it that have diabetes there's people that
00:25:16.340have or need a knee replacement or whatever it is a cholesterol yeah you know anything so whatever
00:25:23.500he has he'd be better to go off and maybe he goes into that category of people that have those
00:25:28.720challenges at his age yeah and isn't that a great way to do it i don't you know i like the idea i
00:25:35.500The problem is with Canadian healthcare, Paul, we just don't have the resources to be that selective.
00:25:42.360I'll admit the last three family doctors that I had were all women, and they were actually all really good.
00:25:47.740And my current one, I've got no complaints.
00:25:50.360The problem is it's like anything in life.