00:19:27.760We drove the son around, so we still needed that parking space.
00:19:31.960What happens when you take away the parking space and now suburban councillors are battling downtown councillors in Toronto about this is then it's not the case that everybody says, OK, I've bought a condo in a rural, not rural, but like under a less dense part of Etobicoke or Scarborough.
00:28:28.240You know, parking's always been an issue
00:28:30.660in our central course, as we just talked about.
00:28:32.840you know the tickets the the fines all those things they get to actually enforce those they
00:28:38.200get to put those in place and those are the bylaws and the the permits and the fines and
00:28:42.980everything else that they said that change the behavior of people and i agree with you it's the
00:28:48.160expectation level is sunk so low that when you said it i was i was going to jump in i'm happy
00:28:54.240i made it home without an incident today yeah yeah yeah really when you take the subway that's
00:28:58.980you get off like phew i got above ground and i'm okay for now i can walk on my own for a while
00:29:04.100that's what you think i didn't see i didn't see a guy doing drugs a guy with no clothes on
00:29:08.980a guy yelling and screaming crazy in the subway today so i feel lucky and even like it's not even
00:29:14.580okay that person's maybe not going to physically harm you but you'd like to be able to sit there
00:29:18.340and maybe have a nap so now you know i like to read books when i'm on the subway we can't do
00:29:22.580that because you have to be on your guard because in case that person who's spazzing out yeah maybe
00:29:26.820they're not just doing it to themselves in the corner maybe they do get violent so you got to
00:29:30.500be on guard for yourself or you'd like to you know if they attack an old person you'd like to think
00:29:34.900you can protect the old person so you got to be on guard you're almost in like uh always you know
00:29:40.660always looking over your shoulder always in a bit of a fighting stance which is is unfortunate it is
00:29:46.100um one of the other things i wanted to talk to you about so as a business person i'm always on
00:29:50.820you know conscious of what would actually entice me to start my business in the city so as i you
00:29:57.860know my my kids as i move around i say to them you know if you're going to be an entrepreneur
00:30:02.900you have to land in the right place at the right time because it's hard enough to lift a business
00:30:08.500if you lift a business in a place where they're not helping you lift that business it's even more
00:30:13.620hard and i've been in both scenarios i've been in accepting communities that have given my
00:30:18.260businesses, tax breaks, help me with employment, hiring, recruiting. I've been in municipalities
00:30:25.460that quite frankly don't care. So, you know, the election coming up, what do these mayors do to
00:30:31.940sort of talk to business people and businesses to say, I appreciate you're here. Here's what we can
00:30:36.760do for you and how we can help. So I find that the people who have worldly experience understand
00:30:46.580the most how Toronto and other cities are underperforming. Because if you've never been
00:30:51.420anywhere else, you go, well, nothing's perfect and we got to do what we got to do. I wish taxes
00:30:55.300were lower, but too bad. I wish there weren't this disorder on the subway, but that's too bad.
00:30:59.760People who have done business in other jurisdictions, people who regularly travel
00:31:03.780for work, they see how things are done differently. So I do various business consulting projects
00:31:10.720these days and i've been on calls where uh you know people businesses say oh this american state
00:31:17.120just called us they know we hire 500 people at our factory they want us to relocate and they told us
00:31:22.800zero percent state taxes and we say come on what do you mean zero you mean an abatement or no zero
00:31:28.240like this stuff people don't realize that there are american states zero percent taxes they don't
00:31:33.520realize that there are states where no uh two month two pardon me two year environmental assessment
00:31:40.080to build a small warehouse facility. And by which I mean, there's paperwork for two years before you
00:31:46.320can even start building it. In America, they still have laws and you can't be dumping the
00:31:51.920toxics. You got to treat the workers with respect and health and safety, but you don't have to do
00:31:56.320all this rigmarole for three years to no benefit. You just expect the inspector comes by and shuts
00:32:01.840you down if you are in violation of the rules. So better is possible. And I think we get the
00:32:08.960governments we deserve as the saying goes and we're talking about how we have public disorder
00:32:13.280in part i think the electorate allows it to happen they apologize for it or at least they were
00:32:18.320and then to your point about how do we get mayors to say we need pro-business and pro-investment
00:32:23.200policies well if they're not feeling it in the in the broader climate they're not going to do it as
00:32:29.600well i think we need massive tax relief energy rates need to go down tax rates need to go down
00:32:36.320but a lot of people would be outraged about that which is bizarre but they would so the people
00:32:43.120would they even support the politician who introduces that and we tell them the trade
00:32:48.220off is these factories are going to leave right too many people for too long have been okay with
00:32:52.740that though and that's that's part of the challenge here and i know politicians i speak
00:32:56.720with who would like to push the envelope more they feel like where is the public support for
00:33:01.200that it's it's it's too bad i mean people need to get get into the game more and i think that's why
00:33:05.960you see such a split these days politically between young people and, uh, and people who
00:33:12.300retired, you know, the boomers, as we call them. I think that, I think they, I think older people
00:33:18.140perhaps don't really get how bad it's gotten in many respects because they started the company
00:33:24.080in the eighties. Right. They don't realize just how hard it is now. They think young people are
00:33:28.900being lazy and a lot of young people are lazy and entitled and don't want to work. But a lot of them
00:33:32.440are trying to work hard and are told, no, it's going to take you three years just to open the
00:33:36.820factory. And then this American state says, well, just come here and we'll give you money to open
00:33:43.160it here. Oh, okay. Done. Yeah. And then they're gone. And that is the sad part, Anthony. And
00:33:48.080you look at it, you look at a changing environment as we spoke about. And this election is going to
00:33:55.700be an interesting time in the timing for it so you know in ontario and bc we're just gonna have
00:34:03.080gone through fifa so that's going to be an interesting one because there's going to be a
00:34:07.760whole bunch of money a whole bunch of hubbub a bunch of soccer games you know and and hopefully
00:34:12.520it's entertaining and hopefully it actually pays for itself and hopefully we can say we got some
00:34:16.980economic benefit the war is still raging on so if that doesn't come to an end gas prices you know
00:34:23.200all the things that are happening and then we're going to have this municipal election that's going
00:34:27.680to decide what's going to go on so it's going to be it's going to be interesting from a timing
00:34:31.360perspective as we're looking at it businesses have a lot of decisions to make because where
00:34:37.920you're going to locate you're going to locate where like you said the energy prices so if
00:34:42.060you're paying more for gas you have to pay less for electricity if you're paying more for this
00:34:46.480you have to balance so are you going to make some strategic decisions where you're going to go that's
00:34:50.780to accommodate that and to to make it work for you so you can keep your business striving and
00:34:56.060those are the decisions we actively have to make you know um as we finish off and i just want to
00:35:02.300just want to hit on this because we have two key provincial elections coming next year in the year
00:35:09.500after so we have a couple provincial quebec and alberta uh right on the back so we're going to
00:35:13.900see this municipal election then we're going to see the two provincial elections we also have quite
00:35:18.380frankly these two provinces that are challenging canada right now they're saying you know the
00:35:24.460separatist discussion is raging in both you know the legal system is entered in alberta and that's
00:35:30.060contentious you know you have a very interesting election going on in quebec you look at all these
00:35:35.740things and i know you know municipal elections there's a little bit freedom they're not tied to
00:35:40.540a party but it does sort of look at you know if i'm looking at it and i'm trying to figure out
00:35:45.820my existing uh constituent and my existing group in ontario bc how am i positioning myself for
00:35:53.660what could happen in canada going forward and then very interesting you know conversations
00:35:59.020especially now that i'm going down east and i'm talking to atlantic can people from newfoundland
00:36:04.140and nova scotia on another project it's very interesting now as i'm talking to them
00:36:09.660they're looking at like a potential opportunity to be happening there based on resources and
00:36:15.500mining and everything else you know i think ontario and bc need to think the same way
00:36:22.460no i think it's well said and one thing that's very interesting that ties a lot of this together
00:36:28.300and when we talk about the decline and fall of great cities people who can leave leave and a
00:36:34.460lot of times it is the innovators and the job creators and the wealthy people who leave they
00:36:39.100have the more social mobility we're hearing so many stories about it already people left detroit
00:36:43.980like massive exodus and people are leaving new york city for florida we hear a lot of people go
00:36:49.580to texas people are leaving toronto job creators are leaving toronto and people can say well you
00:36:55.900know fine if they don't want to pay the tax screw them kick them out of here well wait a second
00:37:00.140they're the ones paying the tax yeah you can't share the wealth if you don't first build and
00:37:04.700grow the wealth so what are you going to do how are you going to pay for this and that's how the
00:37:07.740the vicious cycle comes in. And then to your point about the provinces, the reticence with
00:37:12.420Alberta, Alberta's saying we've been paying the freight with our oil and gas. If we do get more
00:37:17.680of it turned on in the coming years, turn the pipelines on more, that may, you know, it's the
00:37:23.720double-edged sword. They want the pipeline to kind of stay in the family. But if they get the pipeline
00:37:28.860and they get no respect, they may leave with the pipeline because suddenly their asset valuation
00:37:33.780has gone up considerably. So you've got those wealthy folks who may leave. Quebec, we know
00:37:39.380what happened in Montreal. Montreal was the financial capital of Canada in the 70s. And
00:37:43.960then they did not do enough to cherish that situation. They fled and they drove down the
00:37:49.380road to Toronto. Capital flight is a thing. People can leave. And you have to think about that. And
00:37:56.940you have to be serious about the incentives. So if it goes on for, you know, people will love their
00:38:01.260communities where their kids go to school, they'll love their country. They'll stay for whatever
00:38:04.540reason. But at a certain point, you can't continually go against your own self-interest.
00:38:08.380So that American state who says, set up shop down here. Well, what am I going to do? Easier life,
00:38:13.460more affordable, double and triple the money. My kids are going to be safe. Why shouldn't I go?
00:38:18.580This pains me to say this. I know we're proud Canadians and we love our communities,
00:38:24.060but at a certain point, you can't keep acting against self-interest. So that's why we persevere
00:38:29.280and we work together to hopefully change these things and stop the decline before it's too late
00:38:34.000yeah vote so i want to talk just the last thing so you know the by-election i did a show on it
00:38:40.640and i was totally down about the voting turnout again you know for those people and anthony i
00:38:46.800think hit on a lot of a lot of it today and then we talked about it the importance of municipal
00:38:52.240politics for those of you who don't think municipal politics is is important you're dead wrong you
00:38:57.920You know, whether it's your own property value, whether it's your own property taxes, whether it's your schooling, you name it, anything you're doing, municipal politics does play a role in it.
00:39:08.300Very important. Vote. Our voting turnout has been brutal, especially in municipal elections, to the point where we have like mayors in major cities, like with a million people win with less than 80,000 votes.
00:39:23.840yeah so any any advice on you know voting at this point anything you've seen that you want to share
00:39:31.140with the listeners today well yeah you got to search out and you got to do your own research
00:39:35.480because the the mayoral races will be featured in the news and the who's running for premier and so
00:39:40.440forth big conversation on talk radio the local stuff won't get the media attention but a lot
00:39:45.460of times to our point about uh the zoning i mean it's where the action is at it's where your daily
00:39:50.100life most plays out. So take it seriously. Research it. The school board's issue is something
00:39:54.100I'm so passionate about, having three children in the school system. The schools are a mess.
00:39:59.120There's no safety anymore. There's no enforcement of standards. I'm really worried about what the
00:40:04.440next generation is going to look like. All this nonsensical, woke, garbage policies and curriculum.0.98
00:40:09.920I mean, they're there for a reason. People put them there and we put those people there in that0.98
00:40:14.440place. So everyone would say, oh, I don't even know who my trustee is. Okay, well, we'll learn
00:40:18.900because it's your community you really should you really should i got a call the other day from a
00:40:23.220friend of mine and he's a great guy and he said you know my daughter's being taught this and she's
00:40:28.100only 10. and i said well did you vote no i didn't vote last time i said well you know if you voted
00:40:36.580and you went out and supported someone and they won and you had those ties you can call me i can
00:40:42.660call someone for you right because i i'm interested in it and i talk to everyone as i move around
00:40:47.860toronto but i said i can call probably find someone to help you bend but i said it would
00:40:53.300have been better if you were active on your own right and so i agree with you i totally agree
00:40:57.940you got to go in there and fill the space fill the void because if you don't someone else will
00:41:03.060and someone will take your space and they might take it in a direction that you don't support
00:41:07.060yeah and then you can't get at that point you shouldn't be complaining because you let that
00:41:10.740happen and quite frankly that's what a lot of people say to me now i don't i feel powerless
00:41:16.100You're not powerless. Vote. Thank you, Anthony. Thanks, Paul. I appreciate it.