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00:00:00.000 well paul here we are in calgary yeah same jackets my man and uh feeling uh very proud to do that uh

00:00:12.000 yeah we had a very interesting launch uh here in calgary as part of the uh conservative convention

00:00:18.480 and we're out here also taking a look at what's happening on the front with uh separation which

00:00:24.560 has become a very boily topic in the last uh 12 hours yeah very sticky yes uh and so uh you know

00:00:32.080 while we're out here we thought it's time to meet some of the people that we admire in this town and

00:00:36.400 get some opinion and discussion going on other topics and this is a really good example of another

00:00:42.000 topic that on a regular basis we talk about and on a regular basis we're being faced with it doing

00:00:48.720 what we're doing with true patriot love uh by the way don't forget to subscribe tell a friend go ahead

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00:01:00.240 we're going to speak with uh john carpe and we're going to do this on the terms of uh maybe the loss

00:01:06.960 of our freedoms and to quote him just a few moments ago i don't want to sound alarmist that uh proceeded

00:01:13.040 to alarm me uh nonetheless and john thank you so much for joining us so glad to be with you guys

00:01:19.760 so you know as we sat here talking just getting ready for the the show uh it occurred to us that

00:01:25.600 you know there's a bunch of bills being passed and have been passed that are potentially going

00:01:31.520 to limit our freedom and we've seen a trend over the last decade of this i hate to say wokeness but

00:01:38.720 this kind of dialogue treatment that could become a matter of legality and a criminal affair for some

00:01:45.760 people kind of position yourself and give us an idea of where we're at if you don't mind so in

00:01:52.560 terms of bills before parliament right now i'll mention six bills and i'll i'll try and do a one

00:01:59.120 or two sentence description of each one and then you can you know decide which ones to dive into more

00:02:05.520 two years ago two and a half years ago we had bill c11 which was the online news act

00:02:11.360 and sorry the online streaming act was c11 and what that did is it took the powers of the canadian

00:02:19.280 radio television and telecommunications commission the crtc had previously been had jurisdiction

00:02:25.840 authority over radio and television bill c11 the online streaming act extended crs crtc power over the

00:02:35.680 internet now we didn't see changes overnight right the bill passed nothing changed life is very much

00:02:42.720 the same but uh that online streaming act giving the crtc authority over the internet effectively that

00:02:51.120 means that they can slowly say well you have to register your podcast that's all you know oh you just

00:02:59.360 have to provide a brief annual report each year don't worry about it just take you two minutes you know

00:03:05.200 fill it out how many podcasts did you do and then it's like well you have to report on um what what

00:03:11.040 are the topics that you addressed and then it's like we have to report you know do you have enough

00:03:15.600 canadian content aboriginal content lgbtq content right and you know this is how it goes right it starts out

00:03:24.080 slow and innocent um but this can happen the the power is there now for the crtc and they are already 0.80

00:03:31.280 with the algorithms uh the u.s has commented on how this is a problem that the algorithms are pushing

00:03:38.800 what the crtc wants as canadian content to the forefront and american stuff is less and that's

00:03:46.640 not a free internet you know people should just well out of the gate we we get our news through

00:03:51.920 facebook and you know all of these youtube places that are now stopped up so it's really done nothing for

00:03:58.400 canadians getting the information that they want i don't know that it's anything i provided anything

00:04:03.200 to the pocketbook of canadians in production of media or news but it certainly has done that

00:04:10.000 well that was followed up with the online news act which was bill c18 that was also 2023

00:04:18.320 and the goal there the idea was that that google and facebook are

00:04:24.480 uh you know spreading news with the links right but they're not paying for it that's unfair and

00:04:31.200 that's unjust so they passed c18 the online news act so meta including facebook said no we're not

00:04:40.240 doing that at all so now you can't forward a news story via facebook that's wild and then google did

00:04:47.680 kind of cooperate they've got i think it's 100 million a year i'm not sure the number but there's

00:04:53.360 a special slush fund created but that only benefits government approved with the journalist outlets that

00:05:00.240 government likes right um which are the ones getting government funding which is you know the global and

00:05:06.080 the ctv and and most most of these so-called legacy media or establishment media right yeah and that has uh you

00:05:15.520 know it's so interesting because i think that that's done us some good paul because it puts

00:05:19.600 us through in places where there's gaps which is fine but it's not doing anything for the pocketbook

00:05:24.880 and frankly we're discussing topics that are prevalent to the news that should be arriving

00:05:30.640 through those platforms anyway just by the nature of us getting the information that we need not just

00:05:35.840 from the outlets that get approved because it's not easy to get approved as an outlet as we have found

00:05:41.280 no many times so now there's more so that's not where it stops yeah those two are law already

00:05:49.760 in my view they should both be repealed which would not be if a government a government any government

00:05:55.200 wanted to repeal it that would be pretty not that hard to do you use your majority in parliament

00:06:01.040 repeal it i think they should go further and abolish the crtc i don't know what purpose it serves in in

00:06:06.800 a an internet age where you can get thousands if not millions of different podcasts and websites and

00:06:14.880 like what you know why do we need some regulatory body that's going to we're in an environment where

00:06:20.880 broadcasters are handing back licenses because they can't make work of them so yeah the crtc aside from

00:06:27.520 dealing with uh you know what cell phone monopolies can take our money it's kind of tough to see what they

00:06:33.760 actually do yeah at this moment it's it's just it's a power trip for bureaucrats and politicians to

00:06:42.080 i guess make themselves feel useful or important or i think it comes with decent paychecks to be

00:06:47.440 honest with you john that too and so now we're headed down the tubes toward uh two or three other pieces

00:06:54.560 of legislation that could even be a bit more damaging well there yeah the the ones before parliament

00:07:00.960 currently so you have c2 c8 c9 c2 is the strong borders act which in my opinion should be called

00:07:08.000 the strong surveillance act it this is what the government they add in a whole bunch of stuff

00:07:15.600 right so you have the strong borders act c2 parts of it parts of it do pertain to the borders and

00:07:21.200 immigration policy and refugee policy then you have other stuff like the a creation of a new

00:07:27.440 authorized access to information act which will give new powers to federal government officials

00:07:32.560 to conduct warrantless searches on computers and cell phones and to uh demand subscriber data from

00:07:40.080 larger companies like rogers or bell or tell us whatever uh so there's a whole bunch of you know

00:07:46.480 criminalizing cash uh in amounts over 10 000 um authorizing canada post to open letter mail

00:07:55.040 all this stuff has nothing to do with borders but very violating of civil liberties now fortunately c2

00:08:01.760 the government the federal government seems to put it on the back burner okay but really bad uh what do

00:08:09.360 you think the general purpose of that is i mean if it's not border security why why are we why are we

00:08:17.520 chasing laws like this i think it's a battle that's been raging on for hundreds of years and will

00:08:24.640 continue to rage on it's a battle between freedom and tyranny and there are people with and let's just

00:08:30.560 assume they have good intentions but there are people who they don't like the free society they

00:08:34.960 don't like it when you know you and i and everybody else we lead our own lives we make our own decisions

00:08:41.840 it's like no they've got a project uh that everybody has to get on board with and so whether it's a

00:08:49.120 theocracy uh like in iran and saudi arabia you got to get on board with islam you can't publicly

00:08:56.480 criticize islam you'll be in jail or worse uh it could be a fascist thing like mussolini's italy it

00:09:05.120 could be national socialist like in germany uh the the look of the comparisons that are being made

00:09:11.280 yeah yeah well you know it's interesting because you know you bring that up john and i was before

00:09:16.000 the show i was kind of looking at the uh justice center for constitutional freedom so that's not for

00:09:21.680 profit uh you guys started around 2010. registered charity since 2010. yeah yeah so you know the genesis

00:09:29.200 of that i thought to myself that's terrific and i lived in the states for 12 years so you know some

00:09:34.320 of the things that you're talking about you know uh taking a bill and adding pieces onto a bill and

00:09:39.760 doing things very american like these concepts are things that americans do all the time like

00:09:44.960 when i was there quite frankly you'd be reading an agricultural bill and all of a sudden you'd see a

00:09:48.640 gaming section and next thing you know there were 10 casinos in the state right you'd be like

00:09:53.440 how did the agricultural bill get tied to the gaming bill and but it was just things that they were

00:09:59.440 moving and they were cutting deals with each other to pass things and they were being added to bills to

00:10:03.760 pass them through what was the genesis so take me back for a minute so you know when the group started

00:10:09.920 and i assume you all had the same kind of feelings as you just said you know about tyranny and and and

00:10:15.840 the way this was going what in 2010 kind of was the the the turning point where you guys got together

00:10:21.840 and said we're going to put this together we got to stop this and we got to challenge this because

00:10:26.960 you know that's a tough thing to do and i i really commend you guys because in canada

00:10:32.480 you don't see as much of that i think we have a group uh in ontario that does a similar thing

00:10:37.040 constitutional freedom group it's a different group um and but but how did it start well in in the early

00:10:44.000 days of the justice center most of our work was defending campus free speech and at that time so

00:10:50.320 around 2010 the the only group the the only group that was kind of a target of censorship was the

00:10:58.000 campus pro-life groups and you know they're coming out with a message that a lot of people

00:11:04.080 find offensive and and don't want to hear it don't want to see it whatever and um so you know we sued the

00:11:12.160 university of calgary they they threatened to expel these pro-life students simply for peacefully you know

00:11:17.920 there's no violence and they didn't set up an overnight tent city and there wasn't physical

00:11:22.720 obstruction and it just but peaceful expression on campus um they were threatened with expulsion

00:11:29.760 they were found guilty of non-academic misconduct they were not expelled but they were still found

00:11:35.120 guilty so we sued the university of calgary and ultimately we got a court ruling against them

00:11:40.080 and the court said that's not reasonable to have these disciplinary proceedings against these students

00:11:45.920 for peacefully expressing their opinion on campus uh we had another court case against the university

00:11:51.280 of alberta which got really clever by saying we allow all speech on campus except uh the pro-life

00:11:59.760 group if you want to put up a display you have to pay seventeen thousand five hundred dollars for

00:12:05.120 security fee which of course means it's effectively censorship because what how how could a student group

00:12:11.200 come up with seventeen thousand five hundred dollars and the threat to safety and security

00:12:15.840 was coming from people with the opposing viewpoint that were going to be disruptive and obstruction and

00:12:23.120 you know get within six inches of your face and so it's like well so actually punishing the pro-life

00:12:30.800 group with the security fee when the wrongdoing was or potential wrongdoing is coming from people that

00:12:38.480 don't want to debate and they don't want to set up their own display but they want to like physically

00:12:42.800 obstruct blockade shut down you know the types of people that pull a fire alarm shout down a speaker

00:12:49.840 and the university panders to those people and they get what they want because they threaten to

00:12:54.720 create a fuss and then the university gets scared and they punish rather than upholding free speech

00:13:01.120 they punish the people that want to express their views by saying well there's a threat to safety and

00:13:05.600 security so you have to come up with seventeen thousand five hundred dollars if you want to

00:13:10.240 peacefully express your views on campus so it sounds like different iterations of this are the same

00:13:16.880 methodology you're going to fight at every level municipally at the university level or even at the

00:13:21.680 federal level it sounds like the same process you would have to go through by saying look it's just

00:13:28.240 frankly unfair well the council culture has grown things have gotten worse uh you know the uh it's

00:13:37.280 just so commonplace now where the um you know a venue the moment that there's somebody that's upset or

00:13:44.240 offended it's you know a lot of venues will back down some won't so it's uh it's a deterioration and it

00:13:52.960 is analogous unfortunately to what we saw 90 years ago in germany we had the gradual decline and

00:13:59.040 breakdown of democracy and the free society and that was preceded by um thugs disrupting other people's

00:14:07.120 meetings so the communists had their red shirts same thing same thing you know bust up bang up other

00:14:13.040 political parties would just show up there and you know they wouldn't show up with guns and kill people

00:14:17.680 but they kind of disrupt yeah rough people up you know throw a few punches toss a few chairs around

00:14:24.240 and disrupt the the meetings of other parties and then the national socialists they said well we got

00:14:30.480 to we got to protect ourselves against these terrible communists so we're going to create our brown shirts

00:14:36.000 and they were doing the same thing then and going around disrupting shutting down other people's

00:14:40.000 meetings so you had this council culture uh ours in canada 90 years later is a little bit

00:14:47.440 less thuggish but it's the same idea same idea same method same method yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:14:54.400 prevent you from having your event because i'm gonna show up scream shout yell make noise pull a fire

00:15:02.320 alarm well it's interesting and you talk you know constitutional freedoms you know it's in your name

00:15:08.480 and you know again i mentioned to you i lived i lived in the u.s for 12 years so it's very interesting

00:15:13.280 to watch some differences and born here uh came back and it's it's interesting canadians don't

00:15:20.160 really even think of their constitutional freedom and what they are so can we talk a little bit about

00:15:26.400 that and kind of the differences you see around the world because it's interesting i'm watching what's

00:15:30.560 happening right now in the uk and then the us and i'm looking i'm thinking okay why canadians are having

00:15:38.240 the same challenges but we don't focus on it for some reason and is that just because we're too busy

00:15:44.560 too small i think it's a gradual transformation of the country in the past uh 50 60 years starting with

00:15:52.720 pierre elliott trudeau i'm told by people uh people like ted byfield who's passed away a few years ago but

00:16:00.000 uh older canadians said that that throughout the 40s 50s 60s uh right into the end of the 60s we were

00:16:09.840 very proudly british north america and we were very british and we had the royal navy and the royal air

00:16:15.760 force and and uh um and pierre elliott trudeau disliked that and got us off on the you know well

00:16:23.760 we're not british but we're also but we're not american and we're kind of anti-american and yeah

00:16:30.720 it it's uh here we are 50 years later and and there is still some canadian identity uh but it's not

00:16:39.600 um i think you put 10 canadians in a room and ask them what canadian identity was all about you

00:16:44.960 probably get 10 different answers oh yeah and what's their constitutional freedoms would they know

00:16:49.680 well it used to be uh 50 or 60 years ago people just kind of understood as part of our british heritage

00:16:57.920 that we had freedom of speech religion association freedom of conscience you know before before uh pierre

00:17:05.760 trudeau added the charter to our constitution everybody understood that a man is innocent until 0.64

00:17:11.680 proven guilty you have a right to a fair trial uh you have a right to remain silent so that we don't have

00:17:17.760 a situation where police are uh torturing or extracting a confession out of you through

00:17:24.160 torture so you have a legal right to not speak when you're criminally charged and the not speaking will

00:17:29.520 not be used against you um and we this was all part of the fabric of our culture and i think but hey john

00:17:38.080 can i ask you something was that and you know it's interesting because you're a historian obviously you

00:17:43.920 understand the the background to it was that a uh let's call it was that because it's part of uk

00:17:50.640 parliamentary legal process so that's why and we followed from that or was it was it specifically

00:17:57.360 written it was just part of our culture just part of our that's what i thought right it was like this

00:18:03.280 whole idea that that like before that so the chart right now the canadian charter of rights and

00:18:07.040 freedoms or the charter for short sets out in writing that an accused person has the right to

00:18:13.360 be presumed innocent until proven guilty you have the right to counsel you have the right to a fair

00:18:17.280 trial before an independent and impartial tribunal blah blah blah these are spelled out before 1982

00:18:23.440 they were not spelled out and yet they were honored the police understood the crown prosecutors

00:18:28.080 understood the lawyers understood the judges understood that you've got a right to a fair trial and

00:18:33.440 you have a right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt etc so it's just part

00:18:39.120 of the culture so what's changed is that like the culture that people today in in 2026 uh there are

00:18:48.880 many many canadians i would say especially the younger ones but but canadians of all ages they don't

00:18:53.920 understand that freedom of expression is vital to democracy yeah you would find people who will tell

00:19:01.040 you i i'm in favor of free uh i'm in favor of free speech as long as it's not offensive that's just

00:19:07.840 like all right that's crazy right like freedom of speech is worthless and it means nothing if i can't

00:19:15.040 go stand on a sidewalk and and say something that you don't want to hear you don't have to stand there

00:19:21.840 and listen you can ignore me and walk past me but if i can't go onto a street corner and say something that

00:19:27.040 99 of the people disagree with then there's no free speech free speech it's about that it's about

00:19:33.120 uh uh unpopular viewpoint that people consider to be wrong and false that you can go and peacefully say

00:19:42.480 what other people think is wrong or false right thank goodness for podcasting i think we're getting

00:19:47.280 more of that done having said that uh your your organization will actually get out there and represent

00:19:54.560 these events these moments where freedoms are being uh i guess impeded if not stomped on how do you guys

00:20:03.440 go about that like who does it is it a a group of experts lawyers tell me about the group so we've got

00:20:11.920 10 lawyers um we have cases court cases from bc to newfoundland we've got a lawyer in quebec we've

00:20:20.720 got a several in ontario uh lawyers in alberta and then for provinces where we don't have a

00:20:28.720 full-time staff lawyer um we still run the cases there right like currently we don't have uh staff

00:20:34.880 lawyers in uh british columbia or saskatchewan but we take on cases in bc and saskatchewan that are done

00:20:40.880 by the alberta or ontario or whatever you know somebody so for example um we're representing a lady in bc

00:20:48.880 who was told by her school board uh or by her school that she was not allowed to host an international

00:20:55.920 student in a student exchange program which she had done previously and everything had been fine

00:21:01.840 because she had publicly criticized the uh soji sexual orientation gender identity curriculum and

00:21:08.880 it said that she disagreed with the curriculum it just stated her opinions and the school said oh well

00:21:15.280 you're not eligible to um you're not eligible to host an international student what was her what

00:21:22.320 was their justification of that well she's a bad person because she's publicly they didn't say that

00:21:27.360 we're i'm paraphrasing okay but but it's like if you criticize soji the sexual orientation gender identity

00:21:33.600 if you which is in all the bc schools and there's variations of it probably all across canada if you

00:21:40.400 criticize soji you're a bad person because a good person will support soji and if you disagree with

00:21:46.000 soji you're a bad person you're not worthy of hosting an international student i was like the supreme

00:21:53.440 court of canada said trinity western university is not worthy of being allowed to have a law school 0.99

00:21:58.320 because they have uh an evangelical christian community covenant that says no sex outside of

00:22:03.440 marriage and it's it's this is the woke tyranny that is growing still i mean it's a lot i see

00:22:13.600 growing pushback as well it's uh it's wild well in the states you know we did a show member at the

00:22:19.280 beginning when we started the podcasting network basically uh about what the us is doing right now

00:22:25.440 on this front and it has to do with a lot about you know wokeness is is going away but you know again

00:22:32.560 having spent time living in the us and spent time and growing up in canada americans really you know

00:22:38.800 that debate around freedom of speech and and their rights and you know uh their charter per se you

00:22:46.240 know they spend a lot of time on it and and they protect it we don't talk about it a lot which is which

00:22:52.800 is a shame and i think it's coming to the forefront now which you know what you guys are doing is is

00:22:57.520 amazing because that debate has to happen and i think it you know i was just saying i'm glad we

00:23:02.960 met because i don't think that debate happens enough i think we're just we're all kind of saying

00:23:08.240 oh well you know it'll work itself out yeah nobody's ever going to really let that happen yeah it's a

00:23:12.800 perverse it's a twisting of a good thing so we have politeness which is a good thing right yeah so

00:23:18.160 you know i try to uh we all uh all of us strive to not offend people unnecessarily right i'm not

00:23:30.800 going to say something bad about your wife or your mother or your kids or whatever right because so

00:23:37.760 like and it's good it's good to be polite well to be part of society we have to have interdiplomacy

00:23:43.520 yeah so so so this this niceness and diplomacy and you know our mother said if you can't say

00:23:49.040 something nice don't say anything at all which is a good maximum to to live by but like not in

00:23:53.520 an absolute black and white every circumstance but as as a starting point you know if you can't say

00:23:58.240 something nice don't say so these are all good things and it's good to be polite and it's good to

00:24:02.400 be nice however if you take that to an extreme then it gets into well you can't say you're not

00:24:10.160 allowed to say something that that i that i disagree with because if i disagree with it

00:24:15.600 i'm offended and you're offending me and when you say something that i disagree with you're

00:24:21.840 offensive and you shouldn't be so offensive offensive and then like this is how it it breaks

00:24:28.480 down which is unfortunate but it's the twisting of a good thing right so politeness and respect

00:24:34.080 uh diplomacy are good things but then they get twisted into we can't have an honest debate anymore

00:24:42.080 about you know lockdowns or mandatory vaccination policies or abortion or euthanasia or you know men

00:24:49.760 getting transferred into women's prisons which is one of our court cases or on and on and on like 1.00

00:24:54.880 you know we can't debate this anymore because somebody says that they feel offended but that

00:24:59.360 politeness was what got us to solutions often that regular politeness that general politeness of okay

00:25:07.280 i heard your side of it john hear me out and you actually listening listened yeah okay so

00:25:15.520 that is authentic politeness where you listen to another viewpoint yeah you don't just uh you know

00:25:21.280 you got to shut up right now because you're saying something i disagree with at that moment you might 0.67

00:25:25.040 even say to me well all right i can see how you would see that that perspective hmm that's when the 0.84

00:25:31.840 solution begins between us understanding the other person's perspective even if it's wrong even if you've

00:25:37.920 hated it up to that point now i say this as an obvious thing but there you are across the country

00:25:44.240 these guys are fighting battles on this wokeness issue which paul points out is this is real the

00:25:51.680 entertainment business has lost over a trillion dollars in the u.s market over wokeness and audiences

00:25:58.240 rejecting the content they're putting out there because it makes no sense to their humanity or to

00:26:04.000 their sensibilities but it was pushed down the throats of the system of broadcasts and networks and

00:26:09.760 the movie systems and even music and now they find themselves in a lost position because they followed

00:26:17.200 that route well they if it's private companies they will you know the the market will uh cause them to

00:26:25.280 change their ways here in can we're forced to spend taxpayers pay four million dollars every day

00:26:32.080 365 days a year to the cbc so 1.55 billion dollars and i i just had a column in the western standard uh

00:26:44.160 earlier today about how um the federal court of appeal ruled uh upheld a lower court ruling that trudeau

00:26:54.400 violated the conditions in terms of the emergencies act the emergencies act required

00:26:58.720 a serious threat to sovereignty health and safety ordinary law enforcement yeah can't work uh the

00:27:06.720 justice center was involved in that case we provided lawyers for uh for canadians at the trial level

00:27:13.040 and so we won that trial we got that declaration uh that that uh the trudeau and federal cabinet acted

00:27:22.400 illegally and then two years later we got this federal court of appeal ruling so the cbc comes out with

00:27:27.920 a story and says um neo-nazi group linked to freedom convoy i said what is this and so it was a french

00:27:38.640 language um and they they said there was a trial of this guy in ontario who was accused of being involved

00:27:47.440 with a terrorist group wasn't accused of terrorist acts that that harm people but but it's a crime to

00:27:54.320 be involved in a terrorist group okay and and then there's a witness who said that the there was a

00:27:59.920 camera that was used with this group in 2018 to film some of their crazy activities in the woods and the

00:28:06.800 same camera was in ottawa in february 2022 taking shots of freedom convoy okay so it has a camera that was

00:28:15.760 in two different locations at two different points in time and yet they come out and say this proves that

00:28:22.320 the the the headline says freedom convoy linked to neo-nazis that's the headline right so they're

00:28:30.000 smearing freedom convoy with with our money with our tax dollars and and the inaccuracy of which they

00:28:39.040 reported is um is not noted actually by anybody because everybody's on that same everybody in that

00:28:47.680 world in the cbc world we'll just back that up we'll back that up and they will most people or sorry

00:28:53.920 many people often read only the headlines i know i know i do that right like we're busy and there's a

00:28:58.480 gazillion stories right so so the headline says uh neo-nazi group atomwaffen division linked to uh freedom

00:29:11.280 convoy that's the headline right and most people will see the headline they won't read the story and this

00:29:16.880 is the cbc smearing freedom convoy um and the cbc will also they'll they'll i promise that we'll

00:29:24.960 title this one freedom fighting lawyer looks out for your rights okay does that sound fair well

00:29:31.120 but it's interesting because you know the emergency act which um that ruling to me was amazing you know

00:29:37.360 it could still it's still going to go to the prime minister's desk to maybe go to the supreme court i think

00:29:42.640 that's where it sits now let's see where he he's not likely to do that persuade them to hear supreme

00:29:48.640 court's got a two-step sorry to interrupt yeah they got a two-step process first you have to ask the

00:29:52.720 court would you please hear this appeal and you have to persuade the supreme court that there is a very

00:29:58.800 important legal doctrine uh that is in need of clarification because the the waters are muddied

00:30:05.840 and diluted and it's not clear and you know because the let's say the bc and saskatchewan

00:30:12.240 courts of appeal ruled one way on an issue and the alberta and quebec courts ruled the opposite way

00:30:18.480 and then you go to the supreme court and say look we've got this really important legal doctrine we

00:30:21.760 need clarity right that's how you get into the supreme court so i think the federal government would

00:30:26.480 have an uphill fight going to the supreme court and saying oh there's an important national doctrine that

00:30:33.200 is lacking in clarity right it's pretty clear yeah because yeah and on top of just the emergency act

00:30:40.400 part of it there's a bunch of search and seizure issues that actually come into play with that also

00:30:44.800 right the fact that uh they were freezing bank accounts you know freezing funds and they were

00:30:50.080 monitoring the crowd yeah exactly there was there's a whole host of other issues that kind of it's it's

00:30:55.600 multi-tiered again but you know these conversations i find it interesting again drawing sort of from around

00:31:02.640 the world my experience lived in a number of places again in canada when i came back we don't talk about

00:31:08.720 them we don't debate them and we don't um you probably know them from a legal perspective but

00:31:15.120 because the media is not talking about and putting them in and both sides of the media aren't putting

00:31:19.120 them in we don't have fulsome debate which is a shame and we should be and those are people who fight

00:31:23.920 against it you know like shame on them because if if a case for example the emergency act is one

00:31:30.160 we should look at it we should say how do we not do that again therefore we take that off the table

00:31:36.240 so your your point about polite and and uh being a polite society it has to be based on a set of uh

00:31:43.680 premise uh legal background that we all follow and then then we can now if that changes down the road

00:31:50.400 it should be put up for debate there should be a legal challenge and then it should be decided and then we

00:31:54.480 should move forward i think that's probably what we're missing right now so i read that again when

00:31:59.360 it was funny because we were having this debate on the constitution and freedoms for a while and we

00:32:05.280 said we'd like to find someone and it's interesting we found each other through this trip but it was

00:32:12.080 amazing we were having a hard time finding someone who was really open to talk about it and and um that's

00:32:18.080 the truth we tried to find a class action specialist people that would actually understand that you know

00:32:24.720 and to be connected actually is very fortuitous because a lot of the things that we're talking

00:32:29.680 about on a daily basis when it comes to politics freedom falls into it in a big way yeah freedom of

00:32:36.800 speech freedom of movement freedom of you know expression uh this is what our soldiers fought to defend

00:32:45.600 you know particularly in world war ii when we were fighting the national socialist germany fascist italy imperial

00:32:53.440 japan these were dictatorial uh regimes that were oppressive and tyrannical and expansionist

00:33:01.760 and so we were fighting to defend ourselves you know as a country but it was also the ideals of

00:33:10.400 parliamentary democracy freedom of speech freedom of religion freedom from tyranny and oppression that

00:33:16.880 that we have a free society that was what uh united uh britain canada the united states and other

00:33:23.760 countries to to fight and thankfully win against the national socialists and and the fascists that

00:33:32.240 were uh in charge in in germany and italy so the freedom is is really important but what's happened

00:33:39.200 uh more recently is that it's not really threatened by an external enemy i mean you got communist china 0.55

00:33:46.720 is a pretty bad regime but you know i don't think people are scared that that they're going to send

00:33:52.160 in the army and and attack us militarily right so now yeah it it maybe it's it's easier to fight for

00:34:02.400 freedom when the people against it are so obviously the enemies like adolf hitler and mussolini or the

00:34:10.160 enemies of freedom right it it kind of crystallizes it for the mind like now we don't really have an

00:34:15.520 external enemy that's threatening our freedom it's just from within like this woke ideology that you're

00:34:20.800 not allowed to say you know uh you can't speak honestly about the whole transgender stuff you know

00:34:27.280 because now in ontario and manitoba you could actually get in trouble for misgendering is a

00:34:33.920 violation of the human rights code which applies to speech uh you could even even in alberta you could

00:34:39.680 get a complaint filed against you i'm not aware of that having happened but if you uh miss misgender 1.00

00:34:46.240 somebody right right uh that you could have a human rights complaint filed against you yeah you know i

00:34:53.360 think that that's okay so i'll get to the obvious question in a minute we left one of the impending

00:34:58.240 laws off the discussion i think what's the last one that's before our government right now i think

00:35:04.000 there's two is there two more i think there's two more yeah so yeah so for a week so can you imagine

00:35:10.560 well there's six bills so so the the the c11 online streaming act gave the crtc uh legal authority over

00:35:19.200 the internet and and canadian podcasts and websites the c18 online news act uh has taken away from us 0.65

00:35:27.760 the ability to forward it to use facebook to forward news to each other c2 is the strong borders act

00:35:35.360 which has a bunch of bad provisions but the government's put it on the back burner c8 is the

00:35:40.480 cyber security act which would give federal cabinet ministers the power to kick individual canadians off

00:35:47.200 the internet if the cabinet minister decided that somebody was a threat to the national cyber

00:35:55.200 infrastructure which is very broadly worded they need to amend it to clarify that it can't be used

00:36:00.320 uh in respect of boy oh boy i hope that one gets thrown out for obvious reasons okay and then we got c9

00:36:07.200 which is the combating hate act which would remove a current requirement uh for a hate speech prosecution

00:36:15.440 to move ahead it needs the permission of the attorney general or the justice minister uh it would get

00:36:23.200 rid of that so it would take us towards becoming more like the united kingdom where you got 30 people

00:36:27.600 charged uh with you know over social media commentary they say we got too much immigration or the wrong kind

00:36:34.000 of immigration and you get a knock on your door and the police officers there so uh c9 is called the

00:36:40.400 combating hate act very clever that's the one where you can't be a comedian forget about it there can't

00:36:46.480 be any comedians in the uk anymore no it's it's i i spent some time in the uk this summer and uh it's

00:36:52.880 palpable the fear among the comedy community uh to really say anything of any magnitude is you know

00:37:02.240 to be sardonic or sarcastic or to hold a mirror up to ourselves you have to say some things

00:37:08.000 and there's this guy got in trouble for saying i was i was assigned mammal at birth but now i identify

00:37:14.960 as fish i'm in trouble for that that's okay i identify as fish i was assigned mammal at birth

00:37:24.400 assigned yeah yeah but now i really identify as fish no you can't make a joke i mean uh there is very

00:37:31.200 serious um and even online i mean that's the thing is that uh now we're being threatened with our

00:37:37.520 history uh over time so if i said something to you uh eight months ago and my opinion has changed and

00:37:45.040 you and i have made up and we've even shared a dialogue that's more positive i they can still

00:37:51.600 charge me based on the comments that were made previously yeah yeah so though so that's c9 um i've

00:37:58.880 heard some rumblings that the government's backing down on that now the the last one the sixth one is

00:38:04.960 i think the scare the scariest of all unless the online harms act it was brought in two years ago

00:38:11.120 as bill c63 it was brought in early 2024 it died thankfully with the april 2025 election right

00:38:21.200 the federal government keeps saying they're going to bring it back so c63 a huge long bill but a few

00:38:28.480 items i'll try to summarize federal cabinet gets powers to pass internet censorship regulations

00:38:37.520 digital safety commission created to enforce regulations massive multi-million dollar fines

00:38:45.280 for companies that violate these regulations these regulations are not subject to parliamentary scrutiny

00:38:53.600 the federal cabinet makes them right so so that if if the online harms act passes into law that law says

00:38:59.680 that the cabinet without further scrutiny or input from cabinet can pass censorship regulations to censor

00:39:05.360 the internet then another provision um a judge can place you under house arrest order you to obey a curfew

00:39:16.320 put you into an ankle bracelet based on a fear of your neighbor that you might commit a speech crime in

00:39:22.640 future so we're talking about minority report the movie we're talking about canadians who have not been

00:39:28.240 charged with any criminal offense they have not been found guilty of any offense and yet the judge would have

00:39:34.160 the power to place them under house arrest and order them to refrain from communicating

00:39:39.760 and so on based on somebody fearing that they might commit a speech crime in future and then to be able

00:39:47.120 and then to be able to represent themselves from their home in an ankle bracelet with no ability to reach

00:39:52.720 the world they're basically imprisoned you know yeah this is it's just it's shocking like it sounds too

00:40:01.600 evil to be true but it it's it's actually in so this is what they want to bring back right so the

00:40:07.200 federal cabinet can regulate uh the internet digital safety commission with hundreds of new

00:40:14.960 bureaucrats hired can enforce it uh judges can impose conditions on on canadians freedom who have not been

00:40:24.640 charged with or convicted of any criminal quote offense canadian human rights commission gets new

00:40:29.520 powers to prosecute canadians over non-criminal discriminatory speech

00:40:36.240 with fines up to fifty thousand dollars payable to government twenty thousand dollars payable to

00:40:42.240 complainants who could be anonymous i don't know what they do with so if i complain on you

00:40:47.280 i get 20k pretend that's the upper limit i have a nice drive home thinking about that yeah well you

00:40:53.680 know maybe hey maybe maybe i'll only be ordered to pay you you know one thousand dollars because my

00:40:58.960 my you know speech was a little bit discriminatory and not overly discriminatory well i'm going to

00:41:05.280 get what i can yeah uh and you know that's the problem in the end is it turns everybody into these

00:41:10.240 weird kind of speech snitches minority report is a really good example of of this so okay now so 1.00

00:41:17.360 that's the sixth and final bill that's the online harms act has not been reintroduced the federal

00:41:22.560 government keeps on saying that they're going to re reintroduce the same legislation so the justice

00:41:30.080 center on on our website we've got a letter writing campaign where people can click click click click

00:41:35.440 and send a letter to their own mp to say don't bring back the online harms act okay we're going to make

00:41:41.120 sure that that link is available in the description and that was really that was my final question really

00:41:46.240 paul was okay here we are there has to be a route to get us out of this there has to be a road map that

00:41:52.320 that gets us out what is that and it sounds to me like it's taking action letting the government know

00:41:59.280 and actually putting your putting your name on something that says i as a canadian don't want

00:42:05.600 this i don't want these restrictions i don't understand this law i refuse to just let it happen

00:42:10.800 absolutely the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing

00:42:16.480 and so when citizens are engaged uh in the democratic process and we've seen this with bill c2 the

00:42:22.880 strong borders act there are so many things in there violations of privacy the surveillance state uh you

00:42:29.280 know civil liberties groups were against it there was a massive outcry and the government said you know

00:42:36.240 okay that hasn't been withdrawn but it's it's been put on the back burner in fact what the federal

00:42:41.360 government did was they took they took out the parts of the strong borders act they were actually

00:42:46.400 about immigration and refugees created a new bill and got that bill passed i don't know if it's passed

00:42:53.600 yet or not but you know and and all this other stuff about criminalizing the use of cash and the

00:42:59.760 surveillance states and the authorized access to information act and canada post can open your letter

00:43:04.800 mail all that stuff has been put on the back burner why because canadians contacted their mps and said

00:43:11.040 i don't want this anymore so there's your inspiration right there john i'm blown away first of all i'm

00:43:16.000 glad that we met you second of all thank you you seem to be the the check that in the balance needs to be

00:43:22.160 there uh that you know sadly that it has to be but that you're doing this for canadians and that

00:43:28.000 your organization is so widespread uh blows my mind actually yeah no it doesn't i i again i really

00:43:34.480 appreciate all the work you do and uh you know the uh the more we talk about it i feel the more people

00:43:42.640 can get educated and have the debate and that's what's missing in our unfortunately in canada right

00:43:48.000 well credit credit goes to the generous donors right we're next month in february we are going to mail out

00:43:54.240 uh about 9 500 official tax receipts to the 9 500 canadians who donated to us in 2025 right so we

00:44:04.400 issued the tax receipts yeah and then it all those donations from those nine and a half thousand people

00:44:10.640 they uh pay for the staff lawyers the paralegals uh the communication staff the you know the researchers

00:44:18.640 uh you know we're we're going to be working hard in 2026 as well wow fantastic i mean we definitely are

00:44:27.520 blown away uh if people wanted to reach out to you where's the best way for them to do that so website

00:44:33.760 is www.jccf.ca so jccf is justice center constitutional freedoms jccf.ca and you can sign up for a newsletter

00:44:45.920 that we send out only once or twice a month not daily or weekly but if you sign up for a newsletter

00:44:51.760 you'll hear from us once or twice a month uh updating on our cases and papers and projects

00:44:57.600 and whatnot and uh yeah all of the other all of our court cases and everything's on on the website

00:45:03.520 you know what i would love to do paul is to the one of these cases comes up in the future and we just

00:45:07.840 follow it from the beginning yeah through the process and watch it uh watch it unfold through the uh

00:45:13.840 in the hands of john and his group uh thanks so much for joining us we really appreciate it thanks

00:45:19.440 thanks for having me on your show it's an honor let's get you back what do you say yes okay thank

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