True Patriot Love - Canada’s Immigration Mess Is About to Get Worse ft. Phil Mooney & Nir Rosenberg

00:00:00.000 and those people in charge of the department they like running the department so they're really

00:00:05.040 happy that what we end up with all the time is a revolving door of ministers in a junior

00:00:10.400 portfolio who come in for six eight ten months they bring in their own staff none of whom know

00:00:14.880 anything about immigration which is a very legal uh type of of process and they don't know how the

00:00:21.200 department works so when they started seeing problems they would go to the department heads

00:00:24.800 and say, what should we do? Today on True Patriot Love, I'm lucky enough to have Phil Mooney and

00:00:34.180 Nir Rosenberg, and we're going to talk about immigration. Good morning, guys. Good morning.

00:00:39.440 Good morning. So, you know, this is, you know, we've reached this point where everyone's talking

00:00:46.940 about the 4 million people that we brought in um since 2021 and you know i think we can categorize

00:00:55.660 you know the immigration situation right now is messy and when i mean messy we brought in uh 2.3

00:01:04.140 million of those 4 million people and they're now wondering what to do so i wanted to today to kind

00:01:09.820 of dissect that with you and as canada goes through all these shifts and shifts when i mean

00:01:16.140 we're trying to figure out projects, we're trying to figure out tariffs, we're trying to figure out

00:01:20.540 our US relationship on the trade front. At the same time, you know, we have Iran and the war

00:01:29.740 and oil prices. What does that really, really spell for immigration in Canada? So, you know,

00:01:37.100 I wanted to start off asking you a really interesting question. Who is responsible

00:01:43.900 for creating this and how did it happen because right now i hear these um interesting

00:01:50.780 taglines all the time so when we talk about regulatory gaps uh we talk about weak oversight

00:01:58.220 of recruitment and intermediaries you know we don't mention you know negligent administrative

00:02:05.340 policies when we talk about incentive misalignment driven by tuitions and and representatives you

00:02:13.100 You know, we don't talk about that.

00:02:14.560 We talk about information, asymmetry,

00:02:17.840 students receiving very optimistic point of views

00:02:21.100 of what's happening in Canada.

00:02:24.000 But we don't really talk about the characters

00:02:27.600 that made this happen.

00:02:28.840 So I wanna go and chat with you guys

00:02:31.660 about how did government policy create this?

00:02:35.080 How did the provinces' labor strategies

00:02:37.180 create this situation?

00:02:38.980 Where we now have a bunch of people,

00:02:40.740 over 2 million people in the country

00:02:42.920 trying to figure out what's next.

00:02:47.060 That's great, Nir, if you want, I can give an overview

00:02:50.020 and then you can jump in whenever.

00:02:52.880 You're right that things feel different

00:02:55.980 because they are different.

00:02:57.660 The biggest single problem now

00:02:59.040 is that that's facing our immigration system

00:03:02.180 is one we've never faced before. 0.98

00:03:04.240 And that is having a very large body of people

00:03:08.120 who are in this country whose status will be expiring.

00:03:12.180 And we know many of them don't want to leave.

00:03:15.780 We've had this before.

00:03:16.780 We always have it.

00:03:17.780 There's always ups and downs in the immigration process

00:03:20.400 and unemployment, et cetera.

00:03:22.080 But the problem is we've never had anywhere near

00:03:25.620 this size of a problem.

00:03:27.640 And a quick overview of it is that our immigration system

00:03:31.740 is based on three main streams.

00:03:33.820 Refugees, which is determined by events in the world

00:03:37.060 and is limited to about 10% maximum of our intake.

00:03:41.160 Family class, that's where we all believe as Canadians,

00:03:43.840 it's better to have spouses living with spouses,

00:03:46.020 children being with their parents,

00:03:48.120 a few grandparents being,

00:03:50.160 and parents of immigrants being with their families,

00:03:53.500 but very few.

00:03:56.480 Those are two of the streams that account

00:03:58.920 for about 35% of the immigration intake.

00:04:04.920 Then the 65% is economic.

00:04:07.460 And the purpose of economic immigration

00:04:09.220 is to keep Canada at or near full employment

00:04:13.760 with our economy growing.

00:04:15.920 Now, those are targets which were set 30, 40 years ago

00:04:19.920 and which in general have been sustained.

00:04:24.260 And yes, our immigration system's never been perfect.

00:04:27.480 It's a combination of law that's determined by politicians,

00:04:31.100 which is determined by public opinion a lot,

00:04:33.840 and a process and procedures that are determined

00:04:36.960 by a government department, which operates at best

00:04:40.800 as an averagely efficient manufacturing process.

00:04:45.080 Processing, say, 8 million, 9 million widgets a year.

00:04:49.940 So that was stumbling along and we work in the profession

00:04:53.280 and we would have our ups and downs with that,

00:04:56.060 but generally it was speaking.

00:04:57.600 It was speaking and things were working.

00:05:00.240 Then came COVID.

00:05:02.000 So this is a fundamental shift

00:05:04.700 and we all know the impact of COVID,

00:05:06.320 even though we like to forget it.

00:05:08.280 But the impact on the immigration system was unique

00:05:11.140 amongst any other immigration system

00:05:12.820 I'm aware of in the world. 0.98

00:05:14.460 And it was that whole factory processing 8 million people

00:05:18.560 consisted of about four big factories in Canada,

00:05:21.820 65 visa posts, 105 processing centers

00:05:26.400 that did visitor visas primarily.

00:05:29.300 That whole system was thrown up in the air

00:05:31.600 and smashed to pieces.

00:05:33.580 because every single worker in Canada was sent home,

00:05:37.460 like we all were.

00:05:38.780 Every single worker outside of Canada

00:05:40.980 was brought back to Canada if they were citizens.

00:05:43.660 And if they were locally engaged staff,

00:05:45.100 they were all sent home.

00:05:46.440 So the system broke completely, all right?

00:05:49.400 Now, the system wasn't a great system.

00:05:51.480 It wasn't cutting edge IT or anything like that, okay?

00:05:55.020 Now, for the first five, six months,

00:05:56.920 nobody really cared in the sense

00:05:58.600 because nobody was coming, right?

00:06:00.680 We all remember those days,

00:06:02.060 lining up, you know, stay six feet apart, wear your mask all the time. And then finally in 20,

00:06:07.460 that was in 2020. In 2021, things started to ease up a little bit, but there was still not

00:06:12.840 much there because you could only come if you'd been vaccinated and companies didn't get vaccinated

00:06:17.120 until mid-2021. Until September of 2021, when they said, okay, everybody's been vaccinated,

00:06:24.220 you can now come to Canada. You don't need special permission or anything like that.

00:06:28.660 and two things happened that nobody was prepared for, including any smart people I know and any

00:06:35.560 people that are supposedly great at predicting, and that was that the demand went through the roof

00:06:41.240 and the economy recovered really, really fast, okay? So you had this change. Now, the department

00:06:48.100 itself wasn't ready because their systems were broken. They didn't get people back in their

00:06:53.480 offices until, well, they're still not back in their offices in Ottawa, not all of them. You

00:06:58.380 they're being forced back and and everything was just broken to pieces so we ended up getting

00:07:04.380 backlogs now in in the department you know backlogs are one thing but when they get to be

00:07:09.980 extraordinarily large backlogs they focus everything on trying to find ways to solve

00:07:15.340 them and they they did a bunch of different things to try and get them moving they were

00:07:19.500 hampered by an IT system that was back in the 19th century you know I think IT wasn't even invented

00:07:26.060 yet. But, you know, so they couldn't respond very quickly. And they all got really, really busy.

00:07:32.940 Now, at the same time, there was a parallel effect going on. And that had to do with students.

00:07:39.100 Okay. And primarily it was the fact that Canada has a great education system.

00:07:44.460 And no matter what you hear today, if anyone wants to send their kids to Canada for a good

00:07:49.980 post-secondary education send them okay just one caveat don't expect them to be able to stay here

00:07:58.300 but send them for the education the schools are great okay so but what happened in the

00:08:03.820 and because of the express entry system which prefers young people aged 20 to 29 okay and

00:08:10.620 which also highly prizes canadian education and canadian work experience it said hey if you're

00:08:17.100 if you've got that one you have a really good chance at staying.

00:08:20.940 Technology also advanced during the you know

00:08:24.460 just up to COVID times and they ended up with these accumulators of

00:08:28.860 these companies that could could go advertise for students all over the

00:08:33.020 world and say we'll help you pick a university

00:08:35.500 and with the burgeoning middle classes in China and in India

00:08:38.860 and in Nigeria and other major population centers

00:08:42.540 all of those people want to send their kids to school and they're locally they

00:08:45.660 they just can't get a good education.

00:08:47.900 Even in China, which has great schools, 0.98

00:08:49.500 they're all reserved for communist party members.

00:08:51.840 So people wanted their kids to get a good education

00:08:54.900 and these accumulators began recruiting students.

00:08:59.560 Then in Canada, and especially in the province of Ontario,

00:09:02.500 the biggest province, the provincial governments

00:09:04.800 were under the gun and they actually cut back

00:09:07.000 on the budgets for universities and colleges.

00:09:08.900 They froze tuition fees and they stopped,

00:09:11.760 they actually contributed less to support

00:09:15.120 education system so the universities and colleges were looking around for more students so you had

00:09:20.240 way more students wanting to come to canada and way more schools looking to make money

00:09:26.480 so you ended up with an influx of students we were probably accepting a couple of hundred

00:09:31.120 thousand students a year prior to covid in 2023 we accepted 800 000. all right so now you have

00:09:38.960 this massive number of people in the system at the same time russia attacks ukraine instead of

00:09:46.320 saying to ukrainians you can file a refugee claim and come to canada which would take five years

00:09:50.560 we said hey here's a visitor visa come to canada we'll give you a work permit and 300 000 of them

00:09:55.120 did and another 35 000 syrians and a bunch of people from sedan and from iran we we had the

00:10:01.760 same thing happened when they had the protests in iran in 2021 i think it was with the the

00:10:06.480 The protesters, especially the young woman killed,

00:10:09.220 you know, they said, okay,

00:10:10.100 we're never sending anybody back to Iran to face that.

00:10:13.100 So all of these things started happening at the same time.

00:10:15.980 And the people who should have been looking at the numbers

00:10:19.500 are the people in charge of the department, okay?

00:10:23.260 And those people in charge of the department,

00:10:24.960 they like running the department.

00:10:27.360 So they're really happy that what we end up with all the time

00:10:30.000 is a revolving door of ministers in a junior portfolio

00:10:34.260 who come in for six, eight, 10 months.

00:10:36.000 they bring in their own staff,

00:10:37.480 none of whom know anything about immigration,

00:10:39.420 which is a very legal type of process.

00:10:43.720 And they don't know how the department works.

00:10:45.620 So when they started seeing problems,

00:10:47.020 they would go to the department heads and say,

00:10:48.480 what should we do?

00:10:49.320 And the department heads tell them what to do.

00:10:51.780 And the department heads love that

00:10:53.120 because they wanna be in charge, like we all do, right?

00:10:56.600 Okay, except for the marriage, I guess.

00:10:58.740 So what you end up with is these people in charge,

00:11:02.940 we're now busy and they were looking after things,

00:11:05.520 But they also had the daily numbers as far as, say, the number of students coming to Canada.

00:11:10.080 We also needed more. I mean, the economy took off so fast. We needed workers quickly.

00:11:14.640 And so they relaxed the restrictions on who could come in as a foreign worker.

00:11:18.800 More important, they said all those students coming in could work 40 hours a week if they wanted to.

00:11:24.000 All right. And then these accumulators started selling the idea into the into the areas like

00:11:30.080 the poor farming communities in India that, hey, send your kid to Canada for a year.

00:11:34.000 He can go to school for a year, borrow the money to pay his tuition.

00:11:39.020 He can work 40 hours a week while he's in Canada and support the family in luxury, if you will.

00:11:44.620 And then he can become a Canadian permanent resident and bring you all to Canada.

00:11:48.100 And these guys were promoting this like crazy.

00:11:51.320 So you ended up with this confluence of events.

00:11:54.580 So like everything else, when you get a big problem, it's never usually one person, one answer.

00:11:59.720 So I don't blame the ministers.

00:12:01.500 I blame the government that says immigration is a low priority, you know, portfolio, unless the minister makes it a priority like Jason Kenney did, you know, 15 years ago.

00:12:13.860 But if it's a low priority program, I mean, a low priority cabinet post.

00:12:19.840 So they keep bringing people in and those people don't know what to do for at least two years.

00:12:24.160 Well, they're never there two years.

00:12:25.500 There's either an election or they get changed.

00:12:27.320 we've had five, six immigration ministers since COVID. And we've got another one now who's in

00:12:33.080 trouble because it doesn't look like she can do the job. So we're going to change again. Again,

00:12:38.100 like I told you, the senior managers in the department love it. Because not only are they

00:12:41.860 not being held accountable for their mistakes, and they made mistakes, you know, they're now

00:12:47.480 having to fix it the way they want to fix it. So we end up now with this big problem. Now,

00:12:52.740 Of course, when they finally realized it's a problem in mid-2024, you know, they end up having a minister in Mark Miller who, the one thing he did do was make decisions.

00:13:04.220 So you started getting bang, bang, bang, you know, hard decisions, overkill in some cases.

00:13:11.680 And yes, we're going to have far fewer students come to Canada now than even way back 10, 15 years ago.

00:13:16.380 okay they're not even making the targets and and canada now has a reputation of being a bad place

00:13:22.520 to go to be a student well that's not true the education system is still great you know um they

00:13:28.200 also you know the students got blamed for everything including yeah rents were higher

00:13:32.580 because there's a lot of them renting house prices has little or nothing to do with immigration

00:13:36.900 it's too small a population we've all seen what's happened with house prices in the toronto and

00:13:42.620 Vancouver areas now, you know, has nothing to do with immigration. It has everything to do with

00:13:47.120 interest rates and oversupply of the wrong kind of housing and all that stuff. So, you know,

00:13:53.220 that's sort of where we're at now. And we've come to the point now where the government's

00:13:58.340 implementing all of these changes. But now if, and I think we were asked the question,

00:14:05.600 if you were a student outside of Canada, would you come to Canada now to become a permanent

00:14:09.080 resident? And the answer is no. But would you come to Canada for good education? Yes.

00:14:13.080 Well, you know, Phil, we definitely had issues, as you mentioned, and we definitely had failures

00:14:19.520 in the system. And, you know, that costs human consequences. And I was reading an article

00:14:24.220 the other day, and the High Commissioner of India reported that eight students died by suicide in

00:14:32.480 2020 alone due to financial shame and failing to secure a comfortable return to their families.

00:14:40.100 And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, I think I mentioned to you, my wife is Nepalese

00:14:44.980 and, you know, I didn't really fully understand how much people from around the world

00:14:52.620 leverage, sell their land, sell their homes until I actually met her. And, you know, it's interesting.

00:15:00.160 So, um, when you mentioned, you know, people sell the land they have back home and they

00:15:06.880 mortgage it to send their kids to school.

00:15:08.880 Well, you know, we don't realize that even though we do some of that here, but most of

00:15:13.500 us as Canadians, um, you know, we start on our own, we get a little seed money from our

00:15:18.480 parents and then we take off and we grow our own lives in countries, you know, in India

00:15:23.300 and nepal and other parts of the world um you know the family uh keeps that home and that land for

00:15:30.500 for decades and decades and passes it on to their kids in this case they take this giant leap and

00:15:38.020 they mortgage everything they have to send their child to canada in this case to try to find a job

00:15:44.820 to make money to pay back those loans and that's what was happening right and uh i even to the

00:15:50.820 point where you know she showed me a picture one day and i was actually absolutely awestruck we're

00:15:55.220 going to throw it up on the screen um and on the show but uh and it was an airport scene from

00:16:02.500 Kathmandu where thousands of people show up at the airport to see these people off as they're going

00:16:08.100 to canadian schools and i really think we you know we we didn't realize what we were doing at the time

00:16:14.900 as we got going into this and the consequences that were going to come of it so you know when i

00:16:19.620 when i brought up you know the people responsible and you were kind enough to

00:16:23.140 you know let me uh fill me in on what had happened you know i i do think it is uh

00:16:30.340 distributed responsibility and not a single point between the culprits that cause this and the human

00:16:36.500 consequences that we've created and i i now look at it and i i'm i'm looking at you mentioned you

00:16:43.620 know some of the challenges with housing and infrastructure well now we have like huge defaults

00:16:49.140 for example, up in Brampton. I was just reading on the weekend with homes and things going on

00:16:54.580 right now for people who came and settled, even got their PR, and they're not going to be able

00:17:00.680 to make the next round. So, you know, I want to talk to you about that. And what are some of the

00:17:05.880 solutions the government's trying to, you know, put in place? And maybe Nir, you can share with

00:17:10.660 me, like, we now have 2,300 people waiting and trying to figure out their future. What are some

00:17:16.580 of the solutions that the government's trying to enact to, you know, hopefully take care of some

00:17:21.640 of these challenges right now? I personally think that what, I mean, what Phil was mentioning

00:17:27.900 regarding policy is true. But I think what they're doing now is they're putting a band-aid on a

00:17:34.260 problem that they created. And what we're finding is that, and correct me from wrong, Phil,

00:17:40.320 I don't necessarily see that the immigration department's coming up with a solution. I think

00:17:45.680 what they're doing is that they're essentially trying to put a band-aid on a problem they created

00:17:52.020 and try to look good in front of the public by limiting the possible options of individuals

00:18:01.520 staying in Canada, like the students that came here or the temporary foreign workers.

00:18:06.560 Jobs are not readily available. Employers are unable to offer positions to keep foreign workers

00:18:12.960 in Canada. The department that reviews job offers, the ESDC, they're making it a much,

00:18:20.160 much more of a difficult process for employers to keep and retain staff. So these individuals

00:18:25.360 are effectively having no choice but to leave or stay in the country without status. And the same

00:18:31.760 happens with international students. They cannot proceed to their path of permanent residency. 0.98

00:18:36.960 and so and I'm sure Phil has more to say on that but from what I personally see I don't see a 0.73

00:18:44.220 solution I see a problem that's actually going to become a bigger problem especially in the labor

00:18:50.560 market. Yeah there is no one single solution there are there are certain call them inalienable facts

00:18:58.260 the fact is Canada will have a target number of permanent residents in a year and that target

00:19:04.080 number is partially politically driven and part and should be economically driven to say look we're

00:19:13.360 going to need this many people we know how many people are alive in canada we know how many people

00:19:17.680 die every year we know how many people are born every year you know we we're one of the few

00:19:22.320 countries in the world facing a demographic crisis um that has actually been resolving that crisis by

00:19:28.480 bringing in young people that's fundamentally it and it is delaying at least for 40 or 50 years

00:19:34.320 which will be after i'm gone you know any sort of problem like japan is having or germany is 0.63

00:19:38.960 in the midst of or south korea is terrible and china is falling victim to you know this demographic

00:19:45.680 uh deficit deficiency um so that's the economic target that's a fixed number that goes up and

00:19:52.000 down for political reasons but we need more people otherwise there won't be enough people to pay for

00:19:57.120 me when i'm really a burden okay and i intend to be a burden okay so that's that's one fact the

00:20:03.520 other fact is the other number we bring in are temporary residents and temporary residents are

00:20:08.000 supposed to be temporary residents and they should be brought in as necessary we we have no trouble

00:20:13.360 with the temporary residents who come here to as tourists right they come here to go to banff they

00:20:18.480 go to you know the maritimes they're coming to see toronto they're tourists that's all temporary

00:20:23.040 residents and we love them we want more and more of them to come and we want to make sure that they

00:20:27.680 don't stay after they come in and 99 don't so we're always in favor of those temporary residents

00:20:34.400 like i said and for students now well we have the highest percentage of university graduates of any 0.96

00:20:40.240 country in the world which is we can be proud of that except it also means that we have too many

00:20:47.360 and that our taxi drivers used to have bachelor's degrees and uber drivers now they have master's

00:20:54.620 degrees you know and those are not the outcomes we need so you've got this limiting factor there

00:21:00.040 that says temporary residents have to leave and and unfortunately because of what happened that

00:21:06.260 many of the temporary residents who were coming to Canada believed that they would be able to stay

00:21:10.860 and had faith in the future and did what you said Paul and said yeah let's invest in future let's do

00:21:16.160 what my father did when he came from Ireland on a whim to take a job in Saskatchewan, okay?

00:21:21.940 And the same thing with so many other immigrants coming to Canada, and we love that story.

00:21:27.580 These people are doing the same thing, right? So when they're coming to Canada, you know,

00:21:32.580 the trouble is we ended up getting it wrong after COVID, and now we have so many of them,

00:21:39.040 that's become the problem. And we have to deal with that problem while we're trying to keep the

00:21:44.140 rest of the system going. And to do that, what the government is trying to do now, because they don't

00:21:48.040 have an answer, they're doing as many little things as they can. For example, they're now changing the

00:21:54.100 complete express entry system, where before people knew that if you came to Canada, got a Canadian

00:21:59.020 education, got Canadian work experience, and you were young enough, you could become a permanent

00:22:03.240 resident. Well, now they're saying international work experience is just as good as Canadian

00:22:07.860 experience. International education is just as good as Canadian education. And they took away

00:22:13.220 a bunch of other little categories that's what the new express entry system is moving to in the next

00:22:17.960 five or six months and and so they're telling all of these hundreds of thousands of students

00:22:23.220 currently in school or currently on work permits and they've got a couple years to go

00:22:27.920 you're not going to be able to stay so they want them to know now to plan to leave again it's not

00:22:35.860 the best idea they shouldn't have come in the first place but now that they're here they're

00:22:39.300 they're trying to get them to leave. They've now discontinued the refugee process for people who've 1.00

00:22:44.560 been in the country for more than a year, which makes eminent sense, okay? But they're letting 1.00

00:22:49.120 all of those people who thought that was an outlet get work permits so that while they're here

00:22:54.060 waiting for their hopeless case for the next two, three, four, or five years, that they're at least

00:22:58.720 working. You know, they're not a burden on society. And they're doing the same with Ukrainians and

00:23:05.240 with Syrians and that they're saying you can stay and you can keep working, you know, but

00:23:11.280 when the crises end and it eventually will end, maybe it's 10 years, whatever, a lot 0.97

00:23:19.080 of them will go home. 0.84

00:23:20.280 In the meantime, a bunch of them will marry Canadians, you know, and take the other paths

00:23:23.940 to PR. 0.66

00:23:24.900 So the big, this huge nut might finally come down and, you know, they're talking about

00:23:30.220 a special program for 33,000 people to get permanent residents. These are people who are

00:23:36.120 in the country without hope, all right, but are still working. They want them to be able to get

00:23:41.020 permanent residents. By the way, they don't count in towards the quota, right, which is kind of cool.

00:23:46.220 That means we've reduced the target to 380,000, but we've actually increased it over 450,000,

00:23:51.540 right, because there's 115,000 extra refugees and 33,000 extra temporary residents are going to be

00:23:58.420 given permanent residence in the next two years,

00:24:00.580 then to aren't in the target numbers.

00:24:02.660 Now, we can justify that because we need those people.

00:24:05.860 And they're here working.

00:24:06.900 And if they've been working here for three years,

00:24:08.400 five years, they're settled.

00:24:10.400 They're, you know, a job means everything.

00:24:13.340 But the department is hoping that the publicity

00:24:16.600 and the, you know, by cutting down the total number

00:24:19.300 of students, by making sure that these people

00:24:21.680 are already counted in our population.

00:24:23.040 So we're now gonna see a year or more and two years

00:24:26.020 where the population either drops slightly or stays flat,

00:24:29.840 everybody's gonna say, okay,

00:24:30.760 immigration is no longer a problem.

00:24:32.900 And it gets their politicians off their backs.

00:24:37.140 So this ball, they're trying to shrink the ball.

00:24:39.300 I don't know how good that's going to be.

00:24:41.980 I don't know.

00:24:42.820 It's because we've never had six, eight,

00:24:45.720 a million people who have no hope.

00:24:49.400 And that's over the next three, four years,

00:24:51.060 because there's still a lot of these people

00:24:52.640 are gonna stay studying, stay working.

00:24:54.860 And we're already seeing, they just announced last week that there's a massive increase in student enrollment at universities.

00:25:01.220 And people are going, where did that come from?

00:25:03.640 Are Canadians all of a sudden, you know, because it's not international students,

00:25:07.240 it's the international students who are finishing their bachelor's programs are all now applying to get master's and PhDs. 0.97

00:25:13.740 Well, because they want to stay. 0.98

00:25:15.140 Because they want to stay.

00:25:16.820 And that's why the enrollment has gone up.

00:25:19.260 Well, that's temporary.

00:25:20.340 And if we can spread this out long enough, you know, and maybe they're hoping for some good luck.

00:25:26.200 You know, if Kuzma gets negotiated properly and the war in Iran ends and Canadian economy takes off like it has in the past, they're hoping for that.

00:25:35.000 But that's about all we have right now is hope.

00:25:37.960 There is no one single solution.

00:25:40.000 And none of this was done by people of ill intent or of, you know, let's get people to be able to vote for this party or that party.

00:25:47.560 That's too simplistic an answer for anyone.

00:25:50.340 You know, these are complex problems that were created in a tsunami, if you will, of the forces coming together at a time of chaos, you know, because this is broken.

00:26:03.500 You know, Phil, I definitely, you know, I don't think if in America they call it flooding the zone.

00:26:10.720 I think if they were trying to flood the zone, it didn't work because you wouldn't get many people to vote for them when they do become, if they ever did become permanent residents.

00:26:19.460 And so I definitely think they've lost that.

00:26:22.080 So if that was the intent, it was totally misguided.

00:26:24.840 But, you know, creating when I got ready for the show, it was interesting.

00:26:28.560 I wrote down and I said, you know, does Canada really need more immigration right now?

00:26:33.520 And I think you answered the question.

00:26:35.000 And I wrote down in my notes, I said, no.

00:26:38.240 I said, we need to deal with and, you know, quick back of the envelope figures.

00:26:42.220 We need to deal with the 2.3 million people that we have to figure out what's next for them right now, to your point.

00:26:49.460 And then basically figure out what we're doing as Canada.

00:26:54.240 That's the frustrating part right now because, you know, I just, I'm about to do,

00:26:58.300 I mentioned to you, I'm about to do a budget show later on today,

00:27:00.840 and we're talking about trying to train or retrain 100,000 skilled workers in Canada,

00:27:07.580 which we've been horrifically bad at in every province that I can name.

00:27:12.860 There's been a scandal around our trade development programs that's just been a boondoggle.

00:27:17.520 So, I don't know how we're going to do on that, but it sure kind of then speaks to me that it would be smart now to start to figure out which of those people in these categories of people that are now here and waiting to find their outcome or waiting to go back, would we want to direct to actually go into mining, to go into, you know, carpenter, plumber, to get them into skilled trades, to get them going?

00:27:44.460 Um, is there any, you know, you want to talk about a little bit about skilled trades and

00:27:50.560 any work the government's doing right now and in those programs?

00:27:54.660 Well, I think the, the, the problem is that the government isn't just one, one focus,

00:28:02.860 right?

00:28:03.140 They've got different departments working sometimes at cross purpose.

00:28:06.020 So what you're going to have is yes, we need more mining people, but that's a five year,

00:28:10.280 10 year outlook.

00:28:11.140 we need more we need more carpenters and plumbers and that thing except

00:28:15.900 construction industry is way down in Ontario so should the Ontario people now

00:28:20.500 move to Alberta and and to Montreal and all of these places well labor is not

00:28:25.060 mobile it's sticky right people don't move for the least now for an extra 20

00:28:30.760 cents an hour so the question is how soon but we know we're gonna need more

00:28:35.800 people like that and there is a move towards that but I mean that's a bias

00:28:40.960 in inside Canada it's really hard to change when I was in school you know the

00:28:45.920 kids who could you know make past the math tests and the and the science

00:28:50.140 tests they were going to university or they were finishing their high school

00:28:53.500 the kids that just didn't get it which we now know is people had different

00:28:57.460 interests they all went to trade schools right and and it was always a

00:29:02.180 step down well nowadays you know when you talk about master's graduates making 25 000 a year

00:29:07.540 and the guys in the trades making 100 000 a year there should be some pull but i'm not sure that

00:29:13.780 you can you can teach the ability to want to work with your hands and and and or even into things

00:29:23.060 like this shortage of machinists you know and and mold makers and highly specialized technical

00:29:29.540 people that don't have a university degree there's a shortage in all those areas and and you know

00:29:34.340 what the only place to find those people is outside of canada so those are the people that

00:29:39.620 they're going to get so of the people who will be coming in that economic stream because we still

00:29:43.380 need them they're going to focus more and more on those instead of getting people who are being

00:29:48.580 given permanent residence because they happen to speak french and live outside quebec which last

00:29:53.220 year was almost half that's going to go down to almost zero and instead they're going to be

00:29:57.940 bringing in plumbers and carpenters and and miners and and all of those if they can find them

00:30:03.060 because the world's getting to be the big big big picture the global population is growth is

00:30:10.100 slowing and will stop and the economies are you know the number of countries now that want to have

00:30:15.860 their own mineral resources with all that's going on with tariffs and everything else i mean the

00:30:21.460 demand for highly skilled workers is going to be a worldwide competition and that's why we're

00:30:27.940 we're going to be in trouble and i do i agree with you they just putting money at a program

00:30:32.260 problem um doesn't solve it and i and and how do we do we get all of those you know those people

00:30:38.740 the nepalese farmers who sent their kids to canada to become a kind of you know

00:30:45.060 marketing majors and all of that are they going to tell their kids go and pick up a hammer

00:30:50.100 no because that same skill in india or nepal it doesn't have the same status as as being

00:30:55.460 being a university graduate doesn't

00:30:57.120 in their home countries, right?

00:30:59.500 I mean, I'm sure your wife would confirm that.

00:31:02.420 Yes.

00:31:03.260 And it's, you know,

00:31:04.660 and the same thing was happening in China.

00:31:07.140 You know, people weren't coming, 0.99

00:31:08.960 they don't want to send their kids here

00:31:10.000 to learn how to hammer a nail. 0.90

00:31:12.360 Yeah.

00:31:13.200 But Phil, I have a question.

00:31:14.660 Do you think that it's a problem

00:31:17.360 of finding the individuals in different countries

00:31:21.520 Or is it a problem of trade equivalency licensing requirements in the different provinces and then also finding employers who are eligible to hire because ESDC is now putting in major restrictions for employers?

00:31:38.100 Yeah, there's two ways to do that.

00:31:39.940 First and foremost, I know there's all this stuff about credential recognition.

00:31:42.760 I don't believe it for a minute.

00:31:45.200 Any profession that I know of where there's a shortage, they'll make allowances for people.

00:31:50.080 So, you know, when BC's had a shortage of nurses forever, you didn't have to have your nursing designation to be able to come and work as a nurse in BC.

00:31:58.260 You could get it while you were here.

00:31:59.740 The same thing happened in Alberta in all the trades.

00:32:02.980 You know, so the idea that credential recognition is a problem, I think that's a boondoggle, to be perfectly blunt.

00:32:08.460 Now, the flip side is ESDC needs to get far better at enforcement and far more businesslike in terms of exempting good employers from what they're doing.

00:32:23.020 That's a hard thing, right?

00:32:24.520 How can you say, look, the major employers in this country should be able to bring in temporary foreign workers if they need them, you know, when you get franchisees of Canadian tire abusing their workers?

00:32:34.580 I mean, Canadian Tire, you know, or major business operations like that.

00:32:40.500 So to me, there has to be far more enforcement and business owners need to go to jail.

00:32:45.440 You know, if they're abusing people, what's the difference between one of us getting involved in human trafficking

00:32:51.080 or having a business owner not pay his workers and threatening them with deportation,

00:32:58.640 which is wrong and doesn't happen and can't happen, you know, if they don't do what they're told?

00:33:04.580 You know, I mean, to me, that's abusive people and they should go to jail, but that's my part.

00:33:10.400 Now you're getting into my personal pet peeve.

00:33:12.100 So the idea is we can find the people, you know, it's just difficult.

00:33:18.160 And the government needs to have much greater consultation with people who are doing the actual hiring.

00:33:25.380 They do have some good streams, right?

00:33:26.980 Global skills and there's exempt streams where you can bring people in without having to go through the LMIA process.

00:33:34.280 But unfortunately, all of those streams, every individual application is now being managed and overseen by a visa officer who has no idea.

00:33:44.980 Visa officers are trained in immigration law, and they have something called unfettered discretion.

00:33:51.640 If a visa officer doesn't like the application that's in front of him, he can refuse it, and no one can change his decision.

00:33:59.960 all not not his boss not the minister not the prime minister not the king the only person who

00:34:05.980 can change it somewhat is a federal court judge who can say send it to somebody else okay and and

00:34:13.200 if they send it to somebody else that somebody else could still refuse it okay so you've got

00:34:17.840 this process in place that's that acts like a a massive break on on justifiable schools and how

00:34:25.360 How does a visa officer know whether a business is an ethical business, right?

00:34:30.720 They have to have good enforcement because people, there are some business owners who

00:34:34.360 will cheat.

00:34:35.920 And just like there are some Canadians who will commit crimes, they have to have a discipline,

00:34:43.400 an enforcement process that has respect and fear.

00:34:47.500 So that's my only answer to how do we get this process fixed.

00:34:55.500 You know, it's interesting, Phil and Nir, I went to, so I went to a job fair.

00:35:00.060 I haven't been to a job fair in a decade.

00:35:03.240 Went to a job fair because we were holding one for one of my businesses.

00:35:07.040 We were attending one, and it was in downtown at the convention center.

00:35:10.500 We went to it.

00:35:11.360 There were 2,500 people showed up, and I think, Phil, you made a really good point.

00:35:15.180 um they showed up there was no one there in a skilled trade position they came in they were

00:35:23.160 uh computer technology they were finance and administration so they were all these programs

00:35:29.880 that we provided through these pop-up colleges that came um they were looking for work and it

00:35:36.720 was interesting so at the end of the day this was uh we were across the way from the Canadian Armed

00:35:42.120 forces in the Navy from their booth. That was ours on the other side. And so I had talked to

00:35:47.780 the guys, the military guys before the session started and for the job fair. And I said, how

00:35:54.440 many people do you guys expect to get today? And they said, we have been swamped, absolutely swamped

00:36:00.160 with people. And so right away, I thought to myself, okay, there's 300,000 people that we

00:36:05.360 need right now to go into the armed forces, to tell you the truth, because we have a huge demand

00:36:10.380 of our defense spend and everything else going on would that be interesting well you know what 1.00

00:36:16.140 it was primarily women that went to that booth that day um they actually got a girl they did a 1.00

00:36:21.340 big uh big celebration because someone signed up it was a young lady came over she signed up to go

00:36:28.300 and i thought it was very interesting sort of to watch and and as i went through it you know i was

00:36:33.500 to your point, I got these young people, they came in, and the sad part of it is they had

00:36:39.940 skills that probably weren't employable at this time. Excuse me. And they weren't employable.

00:36:48.320 Not only were they not employable, they actually were not even capable and trained to apply for a

00:36:55.040 job. So they had women there who came in sweatpants, young men from every culture who came 1.00

00:37:01.500 in jeans. And I did have one gentleman came with a tie on like I have today because I have

00:37:08.260 that budget show. And they came in today. They came in and he stuck out like a sore thumb. And

00:37:15.240 I'm sure he got a job offer from everyone in the room because just because he wore a tie and a

00:37:20.540 jacket to a job fair. But for the most part, it was a really interesting education for me because

00:37:27.480 It was a group of people that were not equipped to actually be applying for jobs, but we had taken their money.

00:37:34.580 They came here.

00:37:35.260 They had gone to one of these schools, and now they were desperate to find work in any function whatsoever.

00:37:42.520 And to the point where, you know, the jobs we were offering that day for our company were not highly skilled.

00:37:49.160 But quite frankly, we had people with their masters.

00:37:53.380 We had very well-educated individuals applying for the jobs.

00:37:57.480 that we were listing for. And, you know, they were definitely overqualified for what we needed

00:38:03.700 them for. But it's a shame because quite frankly, that's the situation we're in. But, you know,

00:38:10.100 I want to talk to you a little bit because, you know, we're talking potentially 2 million people

00:38:16.160 returning to their country of origin. So, and, you know, we took a look before the show,

00:38:23.340 we went around and said, is there any other country that's in the same boat as we are?

00:38:27.480 and what are they doing you know are they providing some settlement counseling are they

00:38:32.520 doing some voluntary assistance because you know when you when we tell this story it sure does look

00:38:39.240 you know and i don't know who's culpable in all this but you know it sure does look like there's

00:38:43.460 a lot of blame to go around and it looks like you know we let this get out of hand and and we did

00:38:48.540 side swipe a bunch of people so are you seeing any country out there that's doing this better

00:38:54.500 than another has made the same mistakes um and is trying to clean this up i've only seen countries

00:39:01.140 doing it worse the biggest one really oh yeah the u.s is the u.s has now i mean the people in the

00:39:08.500 u.s they've got 12 million people who are out of status 12 million wow okay you know and i mean if

00:39:14.500 this was canada that would be 1.2 million and and our numbers we're probably looking at six seven

00:39:20.180 hundred thousand okay when you when you break it all down to people who have the chance to get to

00:39:25.380 stay others who will leave because sixty percent of them leave okay when they finish they do leave

00:39:30.820 it's the forty percent the stay and then and you know they're the ones is still a big number that's

00:39:35.540 five six hundred thousand right now so but if the u.s does it much worse by far um both because of

00:39:41.860 the way they admit people um meaning at the borders um you know and they've got a massive land border

00:39:47.540 where millions of people have come across, but also Europe. 1.00

00:39:51.720 Germany has had a really, they're trying to get rid of all of the Syrians now. 1.00

00:39:57.340 They want them all to go back, and they don't have the right processes in place. 1.00

00:40:02.060 France hasn't done it.

00:40:04.280 Italy is doing it.

00:40:06.600 Australia has always done it.

00:40:08.640 You know, they've actually done it by limiting intake virtually on a racial basis,

00:40:14.640 you know and and keeping more people out um so there only are five or six countries in the world

00:40:21.000 where where it's a problem where people actually want to go to you know it's it's the uk it's

00:40:25.600 central europe you know it's canada the u.s australia right what other country accepts

00:40:31.680 millions of immigrants um nobody well the middle east does but that's tens of millions of workers

00:40:37.720 and they all must go back and they all you know are are treated like slaves fundamentally so you

00:40:43.580 you've got all of this that part going on but but we're on an almost unique and we are in a unique

00:40:48.700 situation because nobody else's immigration system was smashed to pieces like ours was you

00:40:53.580 know it's it's not an excuse it's a fact um it's because the way it was all structured to begin

00:40:58.700 with and it was uniquely affected by covid um and and but you know when when people weren't going

00:41:05.500 back to to work you know to in their offices um you know what what can happen um immigration was

00:41:13.420 the funny story they had was that everybody went home and they said okay you can all work from home

00:41:17.420 and then about a week later a memo came out saying wait a minute not unless your computers are rated

00:41:22.220 for the privacy act which none of them were so we're going to get you a laptop well the it department

00:41:28.540 it didn't have anybody working in it so they couldn't source 5 000 you know laptops and

00:41:33.500 eventually after three or four months they said okay buy your own laptop this to a civil service

00:41:37.980 that had just finished 10 years of going through the the phoenix scandal with their pay systems

00:41:42.620 and couldn't even trust the government to pay them so nobody was buying their own laptop so

00:41:47.180 you know by the time they got enough in place and like i said i think maybe if it's the federal

00:41:53.340 government it's like three days a week now they have to be back at work and then it'll be four

00:41:56.540 days and whatever so it's still there anyway so i mean we were just impacted that way um and i

00:42:03.180 I think we all want to find an easy solution.

00:42:07.360 We all want to find a guilty victim, I mean, a guilty party, you know,

00:42:11.920 because we've got lots of victims, for sure.

00:42:14.300 And people like Nir and myself, we see people every day that want to come to Canada

00:42:18.760 or that are in trouble because they wanted to come to Canada, and it's not working out.

00:42:22.680 And these days, we're seeing a lot of people, you know.

00:42:25.940 And unfortunately, those are the people that are desperate,

00:42:28.580 and they become vulnerable to anybody with a good story, you know,

00:42:32.580 because they don't just have to be out in the fields in Nepal or in India to get taken in by

00:42:36.820 a fast-talking salesperson, okay, with no ethics. You know, they're right here in Canada. And we

00:42:44.960 see stuff like that. It's really hard because we get their life stories in person in front of us

00:42:51.940 all the time. Now, again, the other solution that the department has to do this business about the

00:42:57.580 people in the department running to show they need to have a check okay checks and balances

00:43:03.740 the minister can't be it because they don't know so the minister needs and our big recommendation

00:43:09.520 is to set up an advisory council not of industry people or consumer associates they don't know

00:43:14.980 anything about immigration but lawyers and immigration consultants know everything about

00:43:19.300 the system and many of them used to work in the department so they need to have a like the minister

00:43:24.480 needs to set up an advisory body of professionals who know how the system works to keep track and

00:43:30.560 to make sure the department isn't calling all the shots all the time, because they'll do it

00:43:36.400 in their own self-hunters. I mean, the last one I'll say is the whole express entry system was

00:43:42.560 set up to say who should come to Canada for economic reasons, and the people in the department

00:43:49.040 said it should be people who look just like us young university educated bilingual um with you

00:43:58.000 know um some canadian work experience those make the perfect canadians and they did that in 2015

00:44:05.360 and for 10 years until we ended up with too many people just like that who couldn't find a job

00:44:12.160 right okay but that's what happens when the department you know gets to have all the say

00:44:16.880 Yeah. And I wanted to jump in for a minute on the EU. And it's interesting because I was just reading recently, and I didn't even know, that there's a new asylum pact going into effect in 2026, basically, where they're all going to work together to work on fast-track deportations and basically control people.

00:44:40.020 So that's kind of an alarming also thing that we have to look at for Canada, because quite frankly, when people look for places to go and those places are shut off, it's going to cause, you know, it's a shift around the world, is it not? 0.55

00:44:54.860 Well, there's a bigger one than that, and that's what's just happened in the United States.

00:44:59.180 The Supreme Court last week started hearings on Trump's decisions to end what's called temporary protected status.

00:45:07.240 TPS is what the Ukrainians have in Canada now, or the Syrians.

00:45:11.680 Well, the U.S. has had that for many years, and they've got different communities.

00:45:16.160 And Trump has moved to get rid of TPS for people from several different countries all over the world. 0.76

00:45:22.120 But the biggest one is Haitians.

00:45:25.240 There are 360,000 Haitians in the United States now on temporary protective status.

00:45:30.480 And in June, the Supreme Court will come down with a decision.

00:45:33.180 And if they take away temporary protective status for 360,000 desperate French speaking people who you think they want to go back to Haiti, nor will they want to stay in the U.S. because the U.S. can say, OK, we won't send you back to Haiti.

00:45:49.680 We'll send you to Uganda or or to Burkina Faso or we'll send you to El Salvador because they can deport to third countries. 0.88

00:45:58.380 canada won't right the haitians now all know that if they can get into canada any way they can 1.00

00:46:04.540 they can say because we won't deport them yeah no no i know when i when i was building down

00:46:10.220 in florida right a huge haitian population so i got to know them very well and they they love

00:46:15.420 canada to your point phil because of the the language in the french speaking language right

00:46:20.300 and i we recently you know in the the by-election show we did uh you know talked about one of the

00:46:25.900 key candidates actually being from Haiti and being French-speaking and Quebec. So it's a big

00:46:31.820 community in Quebec right now, loved and hard-working group. As we talked about the EU,

00:46:39.020 but also, Phil, you mentioned Australia and New Zealand. So I just wanted to touch on there.

00:46:45.820 They've really locked and tightened up, but they've primarily now only let in people who have

00:46:51.420 skilled trades they really are focused on you have to have a trade and you have to is there

00:46:56.940 anything you want to share what they're doing because i always like to look at you know australia

00:47:00.540 when we do our mining shows we spend a lot of time looking at what they did to resurrect that

00:47:05.340 industry in that country um anything you're seeing there now we can take lessons from they've had

00:47:11.660 fits and starts where they've overdone it they went too easy on on certain study permit applications

00:47:18.220 had to cut back big time but they've seemed to be maybe because they're they've been so

00:47:25.900 isolated for so long being so conscious of the fact that they could be overwhelmed by this 1.00

00:47:33.180 massive asian population you know for right the wrong reasons initially you know now they 1.00

00:47:38.940 have you know they could say look we have a culture we have a system we know if we open

00:47:42.620 our immigration borders we're going to have you know 15 million chinese and 30 million indians 1.00

00:47:47.420 in our countries in one year you know i mean and that's probably true okay because they're small 0.92

00:47:53.660 their country well new zealand's got what eight million people or less um australia's got 20

00:47:58.300 million you know i mean they're vulnerable to that so they've always been more cautious if you will

00:48:04.700 about allowing people in um so they've never had to do as much um when they've got it wrong they've

00:48:12.060 never had to do as as severe things you know so again canada's kind of out there on its own

00:48:19.340 right the only country that can come anywhere close in terms of numbers and size and everything

00:48:23.260 else is the u.s and it's so fundamentally different because of the you know it's poor

00:48:27.980 people going into the u.s through the southern border that's not what canada has you know so

00:48:32.380 so we're we got to figure this out on our own yeah and you know we've traditionally you know

00:48:37.900 we've been dependent on uh immigration for a lot of our economic stability right especially in

00:48:44.460 housing and other industries that have been so fully propped up by that uh it's hard to figure

00:48:50.140 out a path forward talk to me a little more so this committee you know in near and your thoughts

00:48:55.900 on it too this committee to set up to advise the government i think that's a great idea because

00:49:00.380 you know when i set up for the show i had all these ideas on how to how to start uh determining

00:49:06.620 key elements of the budget place people with different skill sets if they wanted to work in

00:49:11.340 that area. But this committee, who actually is in this committee? And if you had to pick the

00:49:19.020 perfect committee to advise the government to get out of this mess right now, who would it be right

00:49:24.220 now? Who sits on this committee? How does it function? And how can we try to weave our way out?

00:49:30.060 i would love to sit on that committee yeah well you too for sure right and i know phil's done a

00:49:38.060 bunch of he's been on a bunch of this since when i met him but you know how do we get how do we get

00:49:43.820 a business leader similar you know i i saw what the prime minister did for the tariffs and the

00:49:50.780 negotiations on kuzma and you know i wasn't a big fan of it i started i spent more time on it and

00:49:57.160 over time, actually, I said, you know what? This is a good idea. He's got enough people around the

00:50:01.520 table who at least can advise by industry by industry. I really do believe at this point,

00:50:07.040 we need a similar thing for immigration, quite frankly. You need representatives who can talk

00:50:11.860 about their industry and start to figure out, like, who do we need in Canada? What trades do we need?

00:50:17.900 Not just take a guess at it, not just have people take a swipe. And I hope, and I know this is

00:50:22.820 probably not going to happen because in the budget they haven't identified it. I hope we just don't

00:50:27.480 create some of these crazy skill-based worker programs again where a bunch of new people go

00:50:33.720 into a room, they get work boots, they get a hard hat, and they get one safety training manual,

00:50:39.600 and then we try to send them out. I hope we can actually do a better job than that.

00:50:44.260 Well, actually, Paul, they have a lot of advisory committees already for different

00:50:49.080 industry groups for that the committee i was talking about was one that the minister uses as

00:50:56.120 a resource to help control the bureau the bureaucrats in the department okay so that the

00:51:02.520 answers that the department gives to the minister when problems arise are not only the answers that

00:51:09.480 the department wants because the department's not going to want to have extra work and they don't

00:51:14.840 want to have extra complications that make their lives harder and they don't want to give up

00:51:19.160 control so what the minister needs and the problem is the minister doesn't know enough

00:51:24.200 and and they can't know enough in a short period of time so what they need are a group of five or

00:51:29.480 six uh senior manage senior you know old guys if you will but people that have experience working

00:51:35.880 with the department or you know in line and there are two uh groups fundamentally they could source

00:51:42.840 those people from as long as they put the description of who they need properly and one is

00:51:47.800 the association of canadian immigration consultant like capek it's canadian association of professional

00:51:51.800 immigration consultants and the other is the bar the the canadian law society the the law society's

00:51:58.760 immigration sections you know and they could each send three senior people whose job it was to be

00:52:05.320 on call for the minister when policies come up to just to do a review to say does this make sense

00:52:10.360 are they missing something here you know um give them the facts it shouldn't be onerous and it

00:52:16.440 shouldn't be um the minister should have full authority but they need the authority of the

00:52:20.840 minister to deal with the department and that means the mint they need the authority so the

00:52:25.880 minister can go to the deputy minister who manages the department and say no you're wrong even though

00:52:31.640 the deputy minister reports to the privy council sorry um you know and and technically or the

00:52:37.560 prime minister's office you know i mean they need to be able to do that and for the associate

00:52:42.280 deputy ministers respect the the knowledge that they have running the department but when it comes

00:52:47.640 to immigration policy they they need to do that because there are so many and and they can also

00:52:52.600 suggest efficiencies we deal with the system every day and we see mistakes that are made that could

00:52:58.280 be could be could really help them with the production process if you will um and and they

00:53:04.600 And they need feedback mechanisms from people that use the system all the time so that they

00:53:09.260 can address problems faster and better.

00:53:11.840 Now, two years ago, they were just buried in everything, all right?

00:53:16.420 Now they can use the time they have now to do that, but that's what that committee should

00:53:20.940 do functionally within the Department of Immigration, and we'd get better policies

00:53:27.160 for it.

00:53:28.160 All right?

00:53:29.160 Gotcha.

00:53:30.160 Gotcha.

00:53:31.160 No, thank you, Phil.

00:53:32.160 guys as always you know i learned so much i came into this honestly i came into this trying to

00:53:37.880 figure out how to take these people and put them into place in canada i realize it's a little more

00:53:42.900 complicated than i thought um and i hope you know uh for those people waiting i hope they do find a

00:53:49.620 place and i hope the country figures out a way to deal with this mess that we've created um and as

00:53:55.840 always i appreciate your guidance and and counsel on this uh phil mooney near rosenberg thank you

00:54:02.760 very much guys thank you thanks so much

True Patriot Love - May 07, 2026

Canada’s Immigration Mess Is About to Get Worse ft. Phil Mooney & Nir Rosenberg

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