True Patriot Love - December 05, 2025


Canada’s Military Healthcare Crisis Exposed


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We send our military members abroad, we send them into harm's way, they get hurt, and when they come back, we put them right into our terrible healthcare system. We know our healthcare system is broken, we ve talked about it on many shows, we know the mess, we don t even give our military personnel priority. We need to make things like healthcare, housing, recruitment a priority if we re going to make the military a force.

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00:00:00.000 Today on True Patriot Love, Under the Pillar, Military Healthcare, we're going to have Brian
00:00:05.000 Isted, and Brian's going to tell us a shameful story. We send our military members abroad,
00:00:11.440 we send them into harm's way, they get hurt, they get injured, and when they come back,
00:00:16.700 we put them right into our terrible healthcare system. We know our healthcare system's broken,
00:00:23.400 we've talked about it on many shows, we know the mess. We don't even give our military personnel
00:00:28.980 priority. We bring them back. We found out we don't have military hospitals or facilities for
00:00:36.320 these individuals. We don't have specialists for them. They don't have priority. And when they go
00:00:42.940 to get trained up, they have to enter the same educational system to become doctors and nurses
00:00:48.860 as the rest of our civilians. What is going on? How do we not identify this as a critical factor?
00:00:56.360 If we're going to build the military, and we're going to make it a force,
00:01:00.480 we need to make things like healthcare, housing, recruitment, a priority.
00:01:11.920 Today on True Patriot Love Media, Under the Pillar Healthcare, I'm happy to welcome back Brian
00:01:18.740 to talk about also military. So welcome back, Brian.
00:01:24.060 Thank you. Thank you for having me.
00:01:26.820 So, you know, getting ready for the show, because I talked to Brian, we did a great show a few weeks
00:01:33.140 ago on housing and recruitment in the military. So I said, Jim, we got to get together, do another
00:01:39.560 show. And I was getting ready for the show. And the show's basically on healthcare and the military.
00:01:44.480 Getting ready for the show. And a story broke. And there's a number of stories on healthcare across
00:01:51.160 Canada right now. A story originally broke a few weeks ago on Quebec. And we did an awesome show
00:01:56.640 where we went through the dispute between doctors and the government. And we looked at the government's
00:02:06.280 point of view on healthcare. And we found out it was fairly reasonable. And the doctors were
00:02:11.940 complaining that they had to go to a performance schedule. So we took a look at it. We came back
00:02:17.300 and said, no, there's some things they could tweak in the formula they were giving the doctors. But I
00:02:21.740 think it was all in all, I think they had a fairly reasonable concept. Two million Quebecers didn't
00:02:27.840 have healthcare, didn't have a doctor. We could see where people were struggling. And we said that,
00:02:34.020 you know, the government had done a good job at creating group services to create healthcare
00:02:39.080 healthcare for everyone. And when we did the math, we found out that there were roughly one doctor for
00:02:46.300 every 369 people in Quebec. And the doctors were complaining they were overworked. So we couldn't,
00:02:53.940 the math didn't work. So we left that meet, we left that podcast. And we were all sitting around and
00:02:59.820 we started thinking to ourselves, we need to do another show because the math in the show didn't work.
00:03:06.800 So when we calculated all the calculations, we went through the numbers that the doctors and
00:03:11.780 the Quebec government were throwing. We're like, there's got to be something weird here. There's
00:03:16.620 got to be some fraud. There's got to be some collusion, some craziness going on. So just as we're
00:03:23.780 doing this, getting ready for another show, the Ontario OHIP story breaks out. And I was telling
00:03:29.900 Brian before the show. So they found out that they had 59 doctors who were billing 24 hours a day
00:03:39.280 for over 90 days in a year. They had one doctor who is billing 114 hours in one day.
00:03:49.140 So, and they had one ophthalmologist who billed 6.7 million in 2023 and 24. 6.7 million dollars.
00:04:02.620 So, and it was double the next highest billing for the next, like the next ophthalmologist was
00:04:10.240 50% lower. So anyways, you know, these are just stories. And then basically we had to write off
00:04:20.000 1.4 billion in PPE that we had bought that's still dated now. So we had to get rid of a billion dollars
00:04:29.460 in PPE supplies. So those are some of the things the Auto General found. So then I said before the
00:04:37.440 show, I said, you know, I got to ask Brian, what is the healthcare like in the military? And so
00:04:42.860 we started digging into it. We're doing, we're doing some research and I'm like,
00:04:46.900 and I'm glad we haven't been on today. Cause I had no idea of any of this. I am totally ignorant
00:04:53.480 and I can't believe this because I have lived in the U S I've lived in Canada. I'm from Canada. 0.96
00:04:57.760 And I thought for sure, I would find medical schools and medical doctors and I would find
00:05:04.240 military hospitals. I'd find a treatment for, you know, all kinds of ailments, physical and mental
00:05:12.160 inside the military. I couldn't find them, Brian. And what am I missing? Well, you can't find them
00:05:20.860 because they don't exist. There, there are no military hospitals in Canada. There are no veteran
00:05:26.640 hospitals in Canada. We are subject to, so if you have a, if you have a minor injury, you get a,
00:05:35.300 you get a scrape, you get a cut maybe even a fracture, minor fracture, you'll go to the base
00:05:41.440 hospital, the, the MIR it's called. I can't remember what that stands for, but it's the,
00:05:46.700 it's sort of the base triage facility that can sort of give you baseline medical care. But if you,
00:05:52.820 if you have any real injury that requires sort of immediate surgical intervention,
00:05:57.180 kind of equivalent of maybe a rule three would be called in, in military terms, like I've seen
00:06:02.820 operationally overseas, you are, you you're taken off the base and you're taken to the nearest civilian 0.99
00:06:08.080 hospital, because that's the only place that has the infrastructure, the specialists, surgeons,
00:06:13.260 orthopedists, or whoever you need to see that to identify and properly treat that injury. So
00:06:20.460 for example, in Ottawa, where I was posted for six or seven years, they have a hospital that's for
00:06:28.900 military personnel, but it's attached to the civilian hospital. So that it's not a dedicated military
00:06:36.480 building, but it has a military access point with controlled access through your key card
00:06:41.840 that will allow you to get in to see the military doctors, some of whom are civilians who work for D&D,
00:06:48.220 and some of our military trained military soldiers. One of the physicians I saw was previously a pilot
00:06:55.160 in a, in a previous life kind of career, prior training, and then moved over into the medical space
00:07:01.420 and has since become a GP that I was seeing and having many, many conversations with them, the nurses,
00:07:09.140 the admin folks that are, were brave enough or honest enough to speak candidly with me about a lot of
00:07:18.060 the things that I was dealing with, other people were dealing with. It's, there's a tremendous amount
00:07:22.620 of overworking and overburden that these people are stretched very thin. And the level of service is
00:07:30.080 declining exponentially because of this, like they're, they're, it's a treating people out because
00:07:35.820 they, they're, there's not enough people to keep up with the workload that they're given. And they're
00:07:40.200 seeing so many patients all day, every day that they just are, I think kind of starting to throw their
00:07:45.200 hands up and saying like, this is too much. We can't really do this. And most of the people that I
00:07:50.760 interacted with in the medical community professionally, while I was at D&D, were, were well-meaning,
00:07:56.600 well-intentioned people that were sort of handcuffed by the bureaucracy of policies or mandates or
00:08:04.600 whatever, but there, there's just not enough to go around. And it's another, and again, like awesome
00:08:12.280 conversation we had a week or so ago, and then immediately following articles echoing exactly what
00:08:17.440 we were talking about. There's not enough, there's, people are leaving the military because they can't
00:08:22.540 get access to care fast enough. If you want to get a CT scan, an MRI, like you you're pushed
00:08:29.380 immediately into the civilian system where you're waiting months and months. I've been waiting two
00:08:34.820 years to see a spine specialist in Ontario. So fingers crossed, you know what I mean? Any day now
00:08:41.600 I'm going to be able to take one on. And when the referrals go out, everyone comes back and says,
00:08:46.080 I can't take another patient. I don't have expertise in this area, et cetera, et cetera. So
00:08:50.400 there there's, everyone is spread so thin and there's no, there's no money to go around and,
00:08:56.520 and no infrastructure even to put them in, in the first place. So it's just, it's like a, it's just
00:09:00.440 this hemorrhaging inferno of issues that saw someone just to address pretty quickly.
00:09:05.920 Well, yeah, I get it, but you know, it's interesting. We're, we're talking about this
00:09:11.280 massive allocation of funds in the 2025 budget to increase military, like just like housing,
00:09:17.860 like we talked about, but yet we don't have allocated healthcare. And, uh, I did, uh, I don't
00:09:24.600 know, it's more than a year, say it's almost a year and a half. I, I basically lived in Annapolis,
00:09:30.400 Maryland for a year and a half home of the Naval Academy. And so I, I was on and off
00:09:35.860 the base all the time because there's tours and I, I made friends down there. So, uh, and
00:09:42.060 it was amazing. The facilities at the Academy, um, and also, uh, basically the medical services,
00:09:50.680 the support services, all the things that the community provided, uh, there. And I thought,
00:09:57.360 I didn't even really think twice about it. I thought for sure there would be, you know, a facility,
00:10:04.620 let's say, and maybe not for operating, but I did, you know, I guess, naively think that
00:10:09.560 in Canada, we'd have one on the West coast, one centrally, one on the East coast and one
00:10:14.500 in Quebec. I just assumed, you know, dumb me, but I basically assumed that we would, we would
00:10:22.000 basically buy a building, you know, or take an old government building, create it and provide
00:10:27.420 healthcare for the people in the, in the armed forces and, and, and take care of them when
00:10:32.440 they were on service and, and when they finished, finished up and they retired. Uh, but I couldn't
00:10:40.100 believe I'm wrong. So here's the thing that kind of grabbed me. You know, I started off
00:10:46.440 the show just talking kind of, it's a mess. Like, you know, the more we dig into healthcare
00:10:51.200 as a, as a subject, you know, it's, it's just a mess in every province, whether it's
00:10:56.440 overbilling, whether it's poor performance, whether it's, you know, no one showing up,
00:11:02.320 whether it's not coordinated very well, it's a mess. So we, we're now thinking of increasing
00:11:08.180 our military and using our health services, uh, outside of the military to service the increase
00:11:15.300 in people like that. It just doesn't seem rational. And if I was thinking of a project right now,
00:11:21.100 wouldn't it be to set up an internal health services, uh, network inside of the armed forces?
00:11:30.080 Yeah, that's, uh, the, the pro I just want to back up 15 seconds when you said it's not rational. And
00:11:36.540 the, the problem that you're experiencing, uh, internally is that you're using ration and logic
00:11:42.440 to determine the way ahead. And I don't think anybody in any position of authority is doing that.
00:11:47.260 Um, yeah, it makes, it makes total sense. Like let's bring in more people
00:11:51.700 that I said that want to be here that are there for the right reasons that'll stick around and then
00:11:56.300 build the infrastructure to support those people, whether it's, you know what I mean? The daycare
00:12:00.480 facilities, uh, the healthcare, uh, perfect example is the U S bases that you said you were living near
00:12:07.500 or on. If you go to a U S base and I spent a reasonable amount of time in the U S training among
00:12:11.960 Marines and our, and army folks, and their bases are gigantic, absolute gigantic with, uh, human,
00:12:20.820 whole small cities built inside of them to accommodate. And, and the U S military has its
00:12:25.360 own problems and I'm not gonna pretend like they have all the answers, but no, you can go into these
00:12:30.440 fully equipped, fully functional, legit hospital infrastructure support to get your MRI, your,
00:12:38.700 your screening, your, your this done, your that done, all that stuff can be done in house.
00:12:43.220 And we just don't have anything like that. Everything has to be farmed out. So you, you just
00:12:47.960 go to the back of the line with everybody else, uh, and you wait your turn. And, uh, it's just,
00:12:52.900 it's really a source of stress and strain on the people that are already dealing with all the other
00:12:58.600 issues that we addressed. Um, and we don't have anywhere near the support or the investment of the
00:13:05.320 Americans. And I'm, and obviously we don't need it. They have 10 X 20 X our, our amount of people, 1.00
00:13:11.080 but there should be at least some, a plan in place to try to keep up with the demand that we have. And
00:13:17.040 I just don't see it. Like I just did a quick search on Grok right before this interview. And we,
00:13:23.540 in the last 10 years, we've spent $19 billion on DEI and gender-based initiatives in, in just 10 years.
00:13:32.040 So imagine how many hospitals and doctors we could have trained for $19 billion. And the vast
00:13:37.880 majority of that money was sent outside of the country for sort of foreign relations. Um,
00:13:44.520 whatever you want to call that, just like who knows where that money went, I can guarantee it didn't
00:13:48.120 end up for in diversity training. Any of it did, that's still a waste of money, but yeah, we just,
00:13:53.000 we don't have anything in place to take care of our people. And it's another, it's, it's yet another
00:13:58.120 reason for the attrition that people are, are experiencing. Well, and, and here's the crazy
00:14:02.600 thing, Brian, you know, you're talking about a personal situation, you know, health-wise
00:14:07.720 two years, you should have priority like past and present, uh, military personnel should have medical
00:14:15.880 priority. That should just be the way it is. Right. Number one, you know, the people that are
00:14:21.560 currently serving, we have to get them healthy and back in play. So that should be something that is
00:14:26.920 prioritized. So that should be its own. You know, if we're going to, if we're going to co-mingle health
00:14:32.280 services, we should have priority-based services and allocated services that, that makes no sense
00:14:37.640 not to have it. Someone's not thinking like the fact that the fact that you have to drop off into
00:14:42.920 our crazy pond of healthcare and try to navigate your way through there's, there should be someone
00:14:49.480 that actually is coordinating that for you. And that, that I find that bizarre. I just think that's,
00:14:55.160 that's craziness. Hey, I wanted to talk about, I wanted to talk about doctors because this was
00:15:00.040 an interesting one and I didn't even know this. I thought, and this is, again, haven't spent any
00:15:05.880 time on it. So I dug into it a little with the team. I thought, okay, they have their own dedicated
00:15:11.240 doctors. Those doctors, you know, go and they go to, you know, uh, military college. Uh, they get trained
00:15:21.080 up, um, they get trained up in a specialty of, uh, field and, and, uh, triage and they would be, uh,
00:15:29.720 allocated. Uh, they would do, you know, five to seven years of service, and then they could go and
00:15:37.080 leave kind of like, uh, they do down at some of the academies in the States where you have to stay for so
00:15:43.320 many years after and they'll pay for your medical. Then I found out when we jumped into it, the, no,
00:15:50.440 you apply to a, uh, you apply to go to medical school, you go to the medical school, you apply
00:15:58.040 to the military and you get subsidized. So like, how hard is that? Like what a hurdle think about that
00:16:06.600 hurdle. And I know, cause I have, I have sons and they've looked at it, you know, just getting into
00:16:12.200 medical school now is a gargantuan task. Like just, you know, cause it's so competitive and the marks
00:16:18.840 that people need to get and, and, and the people that do it right now have to be super competitive.
00:16:24.600 If you don't have money, so then, you know, you're, you're pretty much doing it because you want
00:16:28.920 funding. I assume that's one of the main reasons that you do it, uh, because you know, you need to
00:16:35.000 pay your bills. So you, you join the military, you get it. We haven't developed a program that
00:16:41.880 specifically is for military doctors. So we make them go through the process of being a doctor
00:16:48.360 and then hope that they'll divert, uh, to the military. And you brought up one reason
00:16:55.240 I didn't think about, which I'm not going to let you talk to why they would join the military.
00:17:01.400 Um, but I was shocked. I was, I was absolutely shocked that nurses and doctors aren't trained 0.91
00:17:08.840 inside separately, the military for their profession.
00:17:14.680 Nurses. I'm not a hundred percent sure. I know that, uh, I think there is something for them. I
00:17:19.960 can't, I can't speak to that. I, I, I'll look that up and get back to you. And I hope that people
00:17:25.160 watching, um, if, if they're unsure, they go and, and, and find out. Cause I, I don't want to,
00:17:29.560 you know what I mean? Give bad information, but in terms of the doctors,
00:17:33.000 they're like, it's so competitive to get into these, uh, if you're, if you're doing it as a,
00:17:39.240 let's say you're an infantry officer, like how I joined in the reserve, but like, like, let's say
00:17:43.240 you're 18 years old and you're going to go into college or university and you want to be an infantry
00:17:47.640 officer. You can do what I think it's called ROTP, the regular officer training program or something
00:17:53.320 like that. So you go to a civilian university and then you do your course training in the,
00:17:59.160 in the summer, but you graduate with sort of, and you get paid to go to school.
00:18:02.760 So you graduate with, uh, employment, obviously in your field because you're,
00:18:08.440 you've got your degree and now you immediately join and you, uh, hopefully you sort of hit the
00:18:12.360 ground running. You become a platoon commander very likely, or, or, or something equivalent to
00:18:17.080 that in your first years of training. Um, but there's a lot of incentive because you
00:18:20.600 graduate with no debt, you get paid to go and you're immediately employed in your field.
00:18:24.920 So those are huge bonuses for a young person. Um, especially if I could relate it to myself when
00:18:31.160 I came out of university and, and, and sort of now retroactively started going through the, uh,
00:18:38.280 recruitment and application process that I told you about last time and how much of a treat that was.
00:18:42.680 So like these incentives do exist, but for the doctors, they're so competitive and there's so few
00:18:49.080 positions that, uh, it's just, we're not able to supply the machine. It looks like with what it
00:18:56.360 actually needs because we don't really have, again, the infrastructure or funding or professional
00:19:01.400 training to support the amount of people that we actually need. And without any, without any
00:19:07.240 dedicated facilities to pushing through, you know what I mean? These well-trained professionals,
00:19:12.440 they have to go through the civilian system. And speaking with many of them, again, candidly,
00:19:17.880 like I, I, I, I basically went to medical appointments almost full time for about two
00:19:22.280 years, trying to figure out and diagnose all the problems that I've been experiencing
00:19:26.760 post vaccination, which is huge coincidence, right? I'm not going to say anything. I'm not
00:19:31.800 going to dive into that just yet, but coincidentally, I started having, I started having just a cascade
00:19:36.440 of health problems. And as I was talking to the physicians, like they're, they're just exhausted.
00:19:41.000 These people are one after another, just going, uh, one patient, next patient, next, and writing
00:19:48.120 prescription for this. And I was put on a litany of everything, anti-inflammatory, anti-depressant,
00:19:55.400 like they were just prescribing me one thing after another to try to get me in and out as quick as
00:20:00.120 possible. And when I actually got the time to sit down and discuss what was really going on in the
00:20:05.960 questions that I had, most of them are sort of on the brink of sort of a nervous breakdown,
00:20:12.600 it seems. And they're putting on this brave face to see their, to see their patients because they,
00:20:16.840 they have to, and, and they don't have a choice. But
00:20:22.440 I just think that we, we need more of these people. Um, and, and a major reason that they stick
00:20:29.640 around given the fact that their working conditions and patient volume is so severe is like the
00:20:36.040 pensions and they are a government employee now with a really good pension based on their,
00:20:41.560 I don't know, 150, 200 K plus salary that they're making as a doctor, a specialist in their field.
00:20:46.680 Um, and they were, they're kind of handcuffed to it and really nowhere to go. So I, I understand
00:20:54.200 where they're coming from in a lot of ways. Um, but we just, we just don't support them. We don't
00:20:58.600 recruit them. We don't really pay them. And it's obvious as we're seeing now kind of with the brain
00:21:04.040 drain, that's always existed to the U S or other countries. I think it's about to get more severe.
00:21:08.920 Um, and yeah, these problems are going to continue to cascade.
00:21:13.640 Yeah. You know, and we let them, that's the, that's the frustrating thing because,
00:21:18.760 you know, we go and we put a budget together and again, I, you know, uh, as I said in many times
00:21:24.680 during the budget analysis, I think we have to spend our way out of our problems right now.
00:21:29.320 Strategic, uh, strategic programs and projects that have a return on investment to Canada.
00:21:37.000 Military spending, I think is great. I think it has to be, uh, creating new skill sets in the community.
00:21:43.800 So this one, quite frankly, this one is to me is a no brainer. So if I'm going to do healthcare in
00:21:49.400 the military, I'm going to go and I'm going to find, uh, buildings that I can accommodate.
00:21:55.000 Like I said, in the East coast, West coast, central Quebec, I'm going to find a building.
00:21:59.960 I'm going to basically set it up and then I'm going to start training, uh, healthcare professionals
00:22:06.280 for the military as I, I'm expanding the number of people entering. So as I'm recruiting more,
00:22:11.720 so as this crazy recruiting issue we talked about last time goes away and we start to bring more
00:22:17.480 people on board, which is what they're saying they want to do, then I'd have to create a healthcare.
00:22:21.720 If I'm serious about this, I'd have to do it. Now to me, now this becomes great because now
00:22:27.080 if I want more doctors, then quite frankly, I'd have to figure out how to
00:22:33.560 co-partnership with one of the, uh, schools that does, um, training for doctors, medical schools,
00:22:39.960 universities, you know, colleges for some, uh, healthcare providers. And then I'd have to figure
00:22:46.360 out a way to set up a separate arm that they could actually go and get trained up. And I think that's
00:22:52.360 terrific. And I think your point, Brian, you know, and I want to go back to, because I think we have
00:22:57.320 to focus on it in Canada more and more, no debt. Like we don't need to put these kids into more schools
00:23:06.600 to amass massive amount of debts to come out without employment. We don't, right? Like we need, we need to
00:23:14.440 get focused with what we're doing with young people right now. And if it's going to the military,
00:23:19.000 honestly, now you're telling me, I wish I would have thought about it when I was going to school.
00:23:23.640 Cause quite frankly, I worked a full-time job, you know, I hustled around to go to university.
00:23:32.840 Uh, that's kind of how I graduated. It probably would have been better and more fun for me if I
00:23:38.040 would actually, you know, join the military, went to school and then part-time, you know, like you said,
00:23:43.960 I got paid to go to school so I could have enjoyed school. Cause I didn't enjoy school.
00:23:49.320 I'll be truthful with it. I, I didn't, I went to, I went to U of T. I hated it. It was terrible.
00:23:54.680 I worked 40 to 50 hours a week full-time. Uh, I studied when I could, uh, I got accepted into the
00:24:01.800 BCOM program. I, uh, which was great. Uh, and I, I graduated, but you know, I think this would be
00:24:09.160 terrific. I think it'd be great for doctors because right now, right now expecting doctors to compete
00:24:16.280 and then go to the military. I think it's almost, you're, you're asking for a tall order. So I think
00:24:22.600 you should allocate so many positions to people, uh, who want to become doctors, who will commit to the
00:24:31.400 military for what do you think, Brian, five years, 10 years? Yeah. I, I haven't done a deep dive into
00:24:39.560 the sort of ones and zeros of what would make that work, but yeah, five years seems reasonable. I grad,
00:24:46.840 my brother-in-law is a doctor and he graduated with a couple hundred thousand dollars debt
00:24:52.600 for, from medical school. And it just, it was such a burden on him sort of psychologically as now he's in
00:24:57.880 is by the time you finish your undergrad, uh, you know what I mean? Medical school, residency,
00:25:04.280 all that stuff. Like you're, you're 30 plus years old by the time this stuff is all done.
00:25:08.760 And now you're just starting to repay a quarter million or whatever it is dollars debt. Like
00:25:13.800 this thing should be subsidized across the board for both civilians and military physicians. But I,
00:25:20.600 I agree with what you're saying a hundred percent. We should be incentivizing in a huge way,
00:25:24.600 maybe give the folks who are willing to join the military a salary bump. You know what I mean?
00:25:28.840 Let's give them, uh, some kind of discount on housing. Like you, you pay no tax on your
00:25:35.960 house or whatever. If you live within X distance from the base, whatever, I, I haven't really,
00:25:40.520 you know what I mean? Again, done a surgical examination of, of how to make this work, but these
00:25:44.920 are relatively simple solutions that I think would solve complex problems if they could be applied at
00:25:50.680 scale. And, uh, yeah, I think you're, I think once again, you're, you're just kind of hitting the nail
00:25:55.000 on the head here and where we need to go and the fact that we're not doing it and we're burning these
00:25:59.480 people out at an exponential rate, not to mention the, uh, I don't want to harp on this the whole time,
00:26:05.160 but they burned a lot of bridges in the medical community with the COVID related policies and the
00:26:10.840 COVID era stuff I've spoken to personally, like this must exist in an even bigger scale, but personally,
00:26:17.720 I can speak to at least three case managers that I've nurses that I've dealt with that told me that
00:26:24.120 they either had horrific sort of side effects themselves personally, physically, or, uh, one
00:26:31.240 individual I spoke to that confided in me and like names obviously don't matter. I'm not going to burn
00:26:35.880 this person, but they went to get a, uh, their second COVID shot, uh, in the, in the lineup and sit
00:26:42.920 there in the tent and get your shot and then wait for 15 minutes. And in that 15 minute wait,
00:26:47.240 the individual beside him fell over and had a seizure. You know what I mean? Like within,
00:26:53.400 within minutes of having, so when I reached, when my file reached his desk and he was saying, okay,
00:26:58.600 well, I'm, I empathize with your situation and all the stuff you're going through because I've
00:27:02.440 kind of seen how it goes and I'm not taking anything ever again that they give us because
00:27:06.760 how do I trust anything now? Like this is coming from a medical professional
00:27:11.000 in the medical field of the military. So if these people are asking questions and they have their
00:27:16.760 doubts and they've seen the implications and the side effects firsthand, like that,
00:27:21.720 that's not going to be, they're not going to be a great ambassador of the brand. You know what I
00:27:25.240 mean? Moving forward to say, Hey, have you thought of this or like, they're going to be saying,
00:27:29.880 don't come here. You know what I mean? They're, they're going to be, they're, they're going to be
00:27:33.800 waving people away saying, go to a good school, move to, you know what I mean? Texas pay less tax
00:27:39.480 and become a plastic or whatever. You know what I mean? These, they're just, these people are like
00:27:44.360 by and large broken and overworked and the COVID stuff, I think put them over the edge.
00:27:50.040 Well, you know, and I want to talk about that a little because you know, COVID to me is kind
00:27:53.480 of symptomatic, right? So if you look at it, you can apply that to, you know, being in the military,
00:27:59.320 you're in a high risk job, right? You guys like, you know, you, you ship out Iraq, you know, you go
00:28:06.360 wherever you're going, right? So you ship out, you're in a high risk environment, you go somewhere,
00:28:11.240 you know, number one, you don't know where you're going to land. You don't know what weapons are being
00:28:16.360 used against you and what environment you're in and what bugs you're going to pick up, right?
00:28:21.320 Because you're, you're landing and you're moving in kind of hostile territory, not in great,
00:28:25.880 like, you know, you can tell us some stories, but you're, you're further, you know, the most part,
00:28:31.880 you're, you're either securing a base or you're, you know, you're moving forward to do
00:28:41.160 investigations of areas and, you know, reconnaissance. So you're kind of in a new place,
00:28:47.880 new bugs, new agents. So the chances of you coming back with something are fairly high. Like,
00:28:54.760 if you think about it, like, and it doesn't have to be life altering, but it's, it's just the fact
00:28:59.880 that if anyone's traveled a lot, you go on vacation to some of these, whether it be a tropical iron,
00:29:05.480 whether it be South America, you're going to pick up new bugs and new strains of anything, right?
00:29:11.160 So your guys are doing that all the time. So you come back and you, you decide you're done your
00:29:17.480 service, you, you drop out, you find you've, you have something you, so you have to drop it back
00:29:23.800 into the regular healthcare system. That makes no sense to me. Cause I, that can't be, and
00:29:32.280 some of the details, I don't know, but do you guys get supplemented healthcare, like any compensation
00:29:38.360 for that, Brian? Like, is there any, like, when you drop, when, when you retire or whether you leave,
00:29:44.840 are your benefits, like, is it like, are you still covered under your, you know, drug program? Or is,
00:29:52.120 is there, or is there still things that you guys get is by being ex-military members?
00:29:57.880 So I can speak to the medical release or three B or three Bravo that I received. Uh, I don't know all
00:30:04.840 the ins and outs of how it works. If you just do 10 years or your regular release, and then you get
00:30:11.160 out, but there are absolutely, um, programs that take care of and provide insurance coverage for
00:30:19.480 international travel, um, prescriptions, things, uh, sort of periphery medicine that you would kind of
00:30:26.280 consider physiotherapy, massage therapy, things that a lot of guys have bad backs, bad knees,
00:30:31.320 bad feet. Like these, these things are, and this is an area again, I've, I've, I think I've,
00:30:37.480 I think I've, uh, chirped the military quite a bit in, in many of the pods that I've done, but I do,
00:30:41.960 I do want to recognize that they, they have done a pretty good job of enabling me personally,
00:30:48.680 the resources that I needed to get again, the physio, the prescriptions, all those things are,
00:30:53.720 most of that stuff is covered. The process for claiming them can be a little arduous and redundant.
00:31:02.280 You know what I mean? Like dealing with blue cross for instance, and having to get receipts covered for 1.00
00:31:06.920 treatments or whatever can sometimes take two or three attempts just because it's an insurance
00:31:10.680 company. And I think their agenda is to not pay you. I think that's every insurance company ever,
00:31:15.160 but they do, to answer your question, they absolutely do provide that for you depending on your
00:31:21.240 release structure or pathway that you got out. And if you medically released, like I kind of had to,
00:31:27.320 that stuff is provided for you sort of in perpetuity. So I do have a reasonably good
00:31:34.040 level of coverage for certain things. I, for the first time, actually a few weeks ago, I build a
00:31:39.800 prescription because I did pick up a stomach bug and I had to get a specific kind of drug that wasn't
00:31:45.560 covered. So that was the first time that I had submitted something. And they said, oh, by the way,
00:31:48.680 like this $25 medication is not covered, whatever, not a big deal. I'll eat that. But it, it does exist.
00:31:55.400 It is there. They have done a reasonably good job of that, but to be able to navigate the,
00:32:01.560 the release process to get a medical release, like I did, it is not easy on its own. So like,
00:32:06.920 I represent kind of a very small number of people that sort of have been quote unquote, effectively
00:32:13.560 covered once I left. But I, I, like I said, I still have to plug back into the civilian system
00:32:18.840 and wait in line, like everybody else, when something sort of acute does come up and I need
00:32:23.080 a specialist or whatever. So it's, they do some things well, but there's definitely room for
00:32:27.560 improvement. Well, you know, it's interesting because you talked about COVID for a minute and,
00:32:31.880 you know, because I had watched some of your past podcasts, I kind of delved into, you know,
00:32:37.880 what would be the coverage if I was permanently impacted by my COVID vaccine in Canada? So I was
00:32:44.360 curious and I, so I looked at it and I don't, you know, you dig into it and there is a claim system
00:32:50.520 under a company called Xera. And it basically is a Grant Thornton company, but it hasn't paid out a lot.
00:32:57.720 So quite frankly, there's been claims they've, they've, the government has allocated for COVID claimants
00:33:03.640 who have side effects roughly, I think it's 75 million over five years. They did. And now they've
00:33:09.320 added 36 more million. So about 111 million, they've put aside claims from what we can tell,
00:33:16.040 it's hard to figure out because this Xera company seems to be mostly AI driven. So, you know, you
00:33:22.840 don't ever get to speak to a person. So from what we can figure out, it basically, it reports about 11
00:33:31.080 million in claims paid out. So it's really not a lot. And then we said, okay, let's take a look at
00:33:37.160 the U S you know, cause we're kind of curious to see kind of what the difference is between claimants
00:33:42.840 and the U S has the same kind of issue with claimants on COVID. They have a big program set up,
00:33:51.320 but they haven't paid out a lot. So they've had about 13,000 people apply. They've paid only 67 people.
00:33:59.640 And each of those people, they've paid $4,000. So really peanuts. But the funny thing about in the
00:34:06.600 U S they have another program, which I think you can also apply. They've paid $5.2 billion for vaccine
00:34:16.040 side effects since 1985 to people 5.2 billion, which is a crazy amount. So I think they co-mingle the two
00:34:25.000 programs together, but yeah, it's interesting, you know, how I was wondering, cause I remember during
00:34:31.240 COVID all these new laws being passed that basically no one was liable for anything. Remember when
00:34:38.360 all the governments were all passing all this legislation, you know, making all the vaccine
00:34:43.480 companies, uh, you know, not liable because they couldn't do the appropriate amount of testing and
00:34:50.280 all that was going on. Well, it was, it was so safe and effective that they didn't need to
00:34:56.360 have any sort of contingency plan. You know what I mean? Um, which is the regurgitated garbage slogan
00:35:02.440 that everybody heard. Um, we, so the federal government did very sneakily roll out something. 0.76
00:35:07.640 I think it's called the VISP, the vaccine injury. Yeah. I'm, I'm failing on all these acronyms.
00:35:13.480 There's so many acronyms in my life. Um, so they did roll something out that has already lapsed.
00:35:19.720 So if you have not yet claimed your vaccine injury, I think it lapsed even as long as a year ago or more,
00:35:27.160 if you haven't yet claimed or provided sort of documentation of what's happened to you based
00:35:31.400 on your vaccine, you're not entitled to anything. So they rolled out this program with millions and
00:35:36.200 millions of dollars earmarked to protect and help people that had issues. And there was like a
00:35:40.680 handful of people in the entire country that received anything and what they did receive,
00:35:44.840 like you said, it was nothing and it was a joke. So this is still an ongoing effort for them to
00:35:51.880 just damage control and control the narrative of this thing was absolutely necessary. Um, even,
00:35:58.920 even before like I'm digressing here a little bit, but I think this matters even before the mandates
00:36:04.120 came into the military, there was a 90 plus percent uptake of the COVID vaccine for at least one of
00:36:11.560 the doses. Um, if not both, it was, it was extraordinarily high. Like you didn't need to
00:36:17.960 convince people more or less to go and get this. Everybody was kind of on board for the most part,
00:36:22.280 nine and 10 people were on board to come in and take this and move forward. And then they still issued
00:36:28.120 the mandates after that. And I think the lingering effect of that is contributing to this lack of
00:36:34.920 trust, this attrition, um, these, these, these senior officers that are, they're, they're not soldiers
00:36:41.400 anymore. They haven't been soldiers in a long time. They're politicians and they're just acting in the
00:36:45.560 best interest of the people that they serve, which for the last decade plus has been a heavily corrupt
00:36:51.240 liberal government. So whether you're Wayne air or the current CDS, uh, Carnic Kerrigan, um, they just,
00:37:00.040 they don't really care about actually initiating policies that make sense or following up on the
00:37:05.880 people that they did hurt. This is just a campaign of distract, deflect, delay. You know what I mean?
00:37:12.120 Anything until it gets so long that it's memory hold from the people who just move on to the next
00:37:16.760 manufactured crisis and, and people, this, this bleeds into the last podcast that we did. Like
00:37:22.520 this is yet another problem that people are facing when they want to join. Like they don't want to deal
00:37:27.240 with this. They don't want to be forced into taking something that they're still pushing. DND is still
00:37:33.720 pushing this vaccine on people before they deploy. It's no longer quote unquote mandatory, but there are,
00:37:40.680 I know personally people that are having career implications to this day because they're not taking
00:37:45.720 boosters. They're not taking, they never took the original shot or two shots. And this is having
00:37:51.160 lingering effects on them still. And all of these things bleed into one another of how many issues
00:37:56.680 exist from the top down where they could have, in my opinion, not easily, but simply come forward and
00:38:03.480 said, what we did was a, was a huge flinch over reaction. And now we're going to draw this back.
00:38:10.200 But again, this would leave liability on them for doing that. And they will, in my opinion,
00:38:14.680 they will never do this until a court forces their hand.
00:38:18.760 Wow. So they're still, so they're still trying to get people, you know, and oh yeah. Oh yeah.
00:38:24.760 That's interesting because you know, when you said that it didn't, you guys must have been used to
00:38:30.040 taking vaccines, right? Because as you're traveling abroad and you're doing, you know,
00:38:34.200 you're going to different places. Usually they do vaccinate people, you know, just in case they catch
00:38:39.320 different things. So I could get that. Probably at the beginning, one shot everyone was good for.
00:38:45.720 You know, we were the same way, you know, and not to go back and, you know,
00:38:52.760 complain or, or cry about what went down. But, you know, it was tough times for everyone. You know,
00:38:58.040 we were all told in a very quick period to shut down, go home. You know, I, I basically laid off
00:39:05.400 660 people up in Ottawa, and then basically another hundred year,
00:39:11.000 760 people in two days, shut two businesses, you know, shut down two construction sites. Like
00:39:19.000 it was, it was painful, you know, it was like four days. And, you know, I remember getting home and
00:39:23.400 telling my wife, I said, I'm going to quit drinking now because if I start drinking, I'm never going to
00:39:27.880 stop. And, and that was kind of it. We, we kind of went sober for the whole COVID period because
00:39:35.640 it was just overwhelming at the time. You didn't know what was going to happen. And,
00:39:39.880 you know, you had to figure out a way to retool. And I think we did a good job personally doing that.
00:39:45.480 And from a business perspective, but, you know, for someone who was sent home from the military at the time,
00:39:51.160 you know, a little painful because you guys are not meant to number one, you know, and I, I asked you
00:39:58.920 before the show, I think a lot of the guys were just told to kind of go home and, you know, they
00:40:04.840 downsized, you know, they went to shifts and rotated and, uh, you know, so you just go wait for, to be
00:40:11.960 recalled. And, and that was kind of the way it went, wasn't it? They, they got paid, but they, they kind of sat
00:40:19.160 and waited for the phone to ring again. Yeah. And there was sort of, depending on what base you
00:40:25.000 were in and what your role was, you would have sort of, uh, an identified time that you would need to
00:40:31.640 be able to report if something, if something did happen, like you're never kind of completely cut
00:40:35.720 loose, but in the same, in the same vein as the medical stuff that we've been talking about, there's
00:40:40.600 also a medical intelligence community that I was exposed to when I was an intelligence analyst.
00:40:45.400 So in the height of all the hysteria of, you know what I mean? Uh, everyone's going to die,
00:40:51.160 use hand sanitizer on your groceries and you know what I mean?
00:40:55.000 Sleep and shower in your mask, like all, like all the non five masks, like all this stuff that sort of 0.99
00:41:00.040 eventually became every, if you had any common sense, you questioned this and eventually became 0.99
00:41:04.280 obvious bullshit. Um, the medical intelligence community that I was working right alongside 0.91
00:41:10.920 at top secret and above levels, they were pushing the narrative. Like you would not believe there
00:41:15.720 was zero questioning of everything that was coming out of the government. And we were told to trust the
00:41:21.320 experts. The experts were the people that had all of those insanely idiotic forecasts and of, of how 0.99
00:41:30.360 many people were going to die. And then you had, and they were coming from all over the world. So you had 1.00
00:41:34.840 medical intelligence people in Canada briefing, briefing the chief of defense intelligence,
00:41:41.000 who is the, is everybody's boss in under this umbrella organization. And they're telling him
00:41:45.880 to tell the CDS that we need to lock down harder. We have no beds. You know what I mean? Everyone's
00:41:52.360 getting like, we're forecasting way more people to die. But as an intelligence analyst at the time,
00:41:59.080 I wasn't seeing this. And anybody that, you know what I mean, went into a hospital was seeing empty
00:42:03.480 hospitals. Like were the ICUs full of, uh, you know what I mean? 85 year old people with emphysema
00:42:09.160 that were having trouble breathing. Like, yeah, like ICUs are supposed to be full and that's why
00:42:13.480 they run at extraordinarily high operating costs with razor thin margins so that they can,
00:42:18.040 you know what I mean? You don't, you don't have 75 empty ICU beds running because it's too expensive
00:42:22.120 to run them. ICUs in some places were full, but talking to civilian doctors, you know what I mean?
00:42:29.240 Much after the fact, I had, I had one, I'm going off on a bit of a rant here. I'll bring this all
00:42:33.960 together in a second. Speaking, speaking privately, candidly with the top infectious disease doctor in
00:42:40.360 Canada at the time of just a couple of years ago, he had, he had obviously asked me not to repeat his
00:42:46.360 or her name and I won't, but this person received death threats for candidly saying on a public broadcast
00:42:54.520 that we need to reduce the lockdown measures and return back to normal life because our reaction
00:43:00.600 is overblown to what the threat is. This is not me giving my two cents as an intelligence analyst.
00:43:05.560 This is the top infectious disease doctor in the country, working at the busiest hospital in the
00:43:10.760 country, trying to tell Canadian media that what we're doing is an overreaction and the woke sort of
00:43:17.880 boomer mob that came after him of, oh my God, you're trying to kill grandma and like kids need to stay
00:43:24.280 out of school. We're threatening the life of this person. So this is, this is the level of kind of
00:43:29.240 hysteria and delusion that we reached that I was seeing at the highest levels of the medical
00:43:34.280 intelligence community reiterate to their bosses that we need to continue this momentum because
00:43:41.080 everyone in this room is getting paid and we will continue to get paid as long as this is locked down.
00:43:46.360 And I'm, I'm in this room just questioning my own sanity because we were quite literally instructed to
00:43:52.680 dig into COVID, find out what's going on with it, use open source, use level two, use level three,
00:43:59.240 every resource level two is secret, level three is top secret, access to reporting. And everything
00:44:05.720 that I was able to dive into with access to some of the best and most current information at the time
00:44:11.080 in the world was telling me that this was an overreaction. But the people in the medical community
00:44:17.160 did not for some reason, you know what I mean, want to acknowledge that. And it was just
00:44:21.640 push this narrative up and we'll continue to get paid even though a fraction of us are required to
00:44:26.600 work. It's just that this is all sort of holistically sort of coming together as this huge problem and
00:44:33.080 distrust in the medical community. And now that's part of the D and D community. And I, I, I've been, 0.99
00:44:39.880 I've been trying to shout this from the rooftops here for about a year and a half now. And hopefully
00:44:44.600 people are seeing this and it's resonating that there was at no time danger to most people they
00:44:50.680 knew and they ignored it. Right. No, no, I get you. And you, you know, Brian, here's, you know,
00:44:56.760 another angle that, you know, when I was getting ready for the show, we were talking about,
00:45:01.880 isn't there some protocol? So like the thing that kind of, uh, caught me by a little surprise and
00:45:08.280 listening to a couple of shows you had done previously, I'm thinking, okay, Brian's going to tell me
00:45:13.000 that as soon as this happened, the military went into action and people were deployed into these
00:45:18.360 strategic locations because there was emergency protocol. They called for like, there has to be
00:45:24.280 a pandemic protocol, but I mean, and let me finish cause then I'll come back to it for a minute because
00:45:29.880 when we dug into it on a previous show, you know, when we went and looked at, uh, arrive, uh, the arrive
00:45:37.240 scan scam and, and everything going on, we really found out quite frankly, there
00:45:42.760 wasn't really an office that had to do with a disaster or disasters in Canada. There was a
00:45:49.320 couple of people. So it was, uh, crazy underfunded. No one had really thought about it. So like what I
00:45:57.800 expected to kind of hear was you guys would, you know, so many of the military personnel would be
00:46:03.480 deployed to the major cities. The hospitals would get extra security and then everyone would be moving.
00:46:09.480 That's what I thought. And then when I started listening to your pockets, I'm thinking, wow,
00:46:13.800 you know, the gentleman you did one podcast with, he is in the military. You know, he's like, I work
00:46:19.000 from home and I, you know, I didn't even know why I get in the shot, but I never go out, you know,
00:46:23.560 and it was interesting. And I'm listening. I'm thinking, why, why isn't that like at that point,
00:46:27.960 you think people would have been moving because we don't know what it is at that point. Like we have
00:46:32.440 no idea what's coming down, you know, how bad it's going to be. So there, there had to be kind of an
00:46:37.480 emergency plan for a, you know, a playbook, you know, there, there's gotta be a playbook with
00:46:43.800 certain things happen in the country. You know, the reaction is, you know, A, B, C, and then, okay,
00:46:50.280 then we have to, you know, adapt. I get it. But, but there should be some basics. Is there not?
00:46:57.160 This does exist. So for, for the last 25, 30 years, there has been contingency planning in the
00:47:03.880 background from the, the D and D medical sort of contingency planning, emergency response team.
00:47:11.160 And these, these operational guidelines do absolutely exist. And then when everything
00:47:17.320 happened, we sort of refused to follow it and just went along with whatever the scariest headline was.
00:47:22.360 But there, the team, the team at sort of Valor Legal, who is nothing short of brilliant in the
00:47:30.840 level of due diligence that they've done through access to a tips and digging into like, why did we
00:47:36.280 do what we did? Didn't we have exactly what you just said? Didn't we have sort of planning in place
00:47:41.880 that we could have just followed? And we absolutely did have it. And from my sort of investigation of it,
00:47:47.960 it, it, it was somewhat reasonable in terms of how we were going to handle literally a flu pandemic
00:47:53.320 that we've been planning for. And we did, we didn't do almost any of it. So it was, it was,
00:47:58.200 it was like a flip a coin or, you know what I mean? What's the latest, if it bleeds, it leads headline
00:48:05.160 that we're going to sort of follow to create more hysteria. And then you find out if you do any kind of
00:48:10.520 digging that CJOC, so Canadian Joint Operations Command, which controls sort of the operational
00:48:16.520 elements of all of the Canadian military outside of CanSoftcom had a program in place in the
00:48:23.480 background to manipulate and psyop Canadians into believing the hysteria because they wanted to
00:48:31.160 create an obedient Canadian who would hear the headline, be afraid, and then do as they're told
00:48:37.400 and not question any authority. So this was quite literally happening from inside the military in
00:48:42.680 2020 and 2021, where they were experimenting with messaging programs to again, brainwash people into
00:48:51.640 just following instructions blindly. And as a trained sort of soldier and officer that goes against
00:48:58.680 everything that you learn coming up through the system of your, your battle training, like you,
00:49:05.320 yes. Okay. You, you follow orders, but you're also supposed to make sure they're lawful so that
00:49:12.120 you're not executing an unlawful order illegally or do something that's, you know what I mean? Just
00:49:18.200 super poor planning that makes no sense. So you should be able to think critically,
00:49:22.920 ask questions and give feedback. It doesn't mean you don't eventually do the thing you're told to do,
00:49:26.840 but maybe there's other ways to do it, or maybe there's other influences that need to be considered
00:49:32.200 from the outside about what's going to affect this operation. And they literally train some of the
00:49:37.560 best soldiers in the world that I've worked with, not putting myself in that category,
00:49:41.720 but other people that I've worked with that are just brilliant people, even in the intelligence
00:49:46.440 community, regardless of what I saw there, that threw all this out the window and just were like,
00:49:51.160 yep, we're going to do, you know what I mean? Plan A, because the quite literally the cover of the Toronto
00:49:56.760 star says that we're forecasting 70 million COVID deaths and that's what we're going to base our
00:50:02.280 modeling projections on too. And it was almost like the worst, and I was the most junior intelligence
00:50:08.680 analyst at the time. This is quite literally the worst reporting on reporting that exists. Like they
00:50:14.280 literally train you not to do this in intelligence. Don't just look at other people's reporting and then
00:50:18.920 send that up because you haven't really thought critically or given your own analysis of it.
00:50:22.840 And that's exactly what happened. And it's quite scary and went off on a bit of a diatribe there,
00:50:28.760 but to answer your question, there absolutely is contingency planning. There are policies,
00:50:34.040 operation planning already in place. And we did the exact opposite of that.
00:50:38.920 Yeah. No, no, it boggles your mind because quite frankly, that's what the military,
00:50:45.960 you know, that's what they're supposed to do. Quite frankly, they're supposed to, you know,
00:50:49.480 execute a plan given a environment or a situation. So when I was listening to it,
00:50:55.560 I was like, oh, wow, that's, again, another thing that surprised me. The medical care surprised me,
00:51:01.400 the healthcare surprised me. And when we dug into it, I started listening to the stuff you had done
00:51:05.720 previously. I'm like, wow, they all just sat around. They were doing what I was doing
00:51:10.840 at the beginning. Now, I kind of, you know, I got busy doing other things, quite frankly, because
00:51:16.280 I was going nuts sitting at home. So I kind of retooled, you know, my businesses and did
00:51:22.440 everything like that, you know, because I'm handy and I do construction. But quite frankly, I was able
00:51:28.280 to keep my sanity throughout it, you know, after figuring all that out. So, you know, I just wanted
00:51:37.480 to dig back into a couple of things because, you know, we talked about the doctors and it's very
00:51:41.960 interesting. You brought up a point earlier, you know, about, I think it was a relative of yours,
00:51:47.080 a brother-in-law or whoever is a doctor, you know, and we did this at the other show. But,
00:51:55.240 you know, a couple of points, you can go in the military, you can get your education and you can
00:52:01.000 come out with no debt. He came out with 200,000. And, you know, I'm tying these together from the
00:52:05.960 beginning of this show. So you look at this, you know, this crazy story that's come out this week,
00:52:11.640 and everyone's kind of quiet about it in Ontario right now. They're like, you know, you know, the
00:52:15.960 OHIP overbilling because, you know, doctors are kind of the sacred cow. You don't want to really say
00:52:21.080 much because, you know, we all want to believe our doctors are doing the right thing.
00:52:25.800 So we can't afford to lose them because we have so few. Yeah, well, yeah, we have. Well, and quite
00:52:32.920 frankly, you know, we're giving them a tough time. So they come out, they go to school, they come out
00:52:39.320 with a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt. And, you know, they don't go into the military. So,
00:52:46.760 you know, and I've talked about this on a previous show on the Quebec show,
00:52:50.200 the banks love doctors. The banks absolutely eat them up, quite frankly. And when I mean the banks,
00:52:57.560 I mean, anyone who loans money, I don't want to pick on the banks, but anyone who loans money
00:53:02.760 loves a doctor because they look at them like an annuity. So I've had a couple of friends that are
00:53:07.960 doctors and they joke with me about it. But quite frankly, they can get any loan they want, literally,
00:53:15.000 for almost any amount that's, you know, if they take a $400,000 or $300,000 a year and they
00:53:25.720 take, you know, the value of it over 20 years, they can basically, so they can basically graduate
00:53:31.880 and move into a two, $3 million home. They can get a mortgage on it. They can join the golf club. They
00:53:37.640 can, you know, and then fortunately, you know, maybe they marry the wrong person and she's a spender. 1.00
00:53:43.320 And all of a sudden, next thing he knows, you know, he's got huge credit cards.
00:53:47.800 Then the next thing you know, he's billing 24 hours a day because he's trying to keep pace with that,
00:53:53.000 that lifestyle that he set up. So he's, it's gone more and more. And a lot of them don't make it,
00:53:58.440 quite frankly. A lot of them bankrupt out because of it, right? Because of the thinking behind it
00:54:05.960 and the easy access to capital. So here's the thing, Brian, here's a great thing that we can do.
00:54:12.040 Let's try, as we try to increase our military, let's try to actually create a program for people
00:54:19.480 who are going to commit to be military doctors and go out and tell, which if you look, have you ever
00:54:26.680 seen a advertising program by the Canadian military that talks about the fact that you can graduate with
00:54:35.160 no debt? Have you ever seen one that, that says be a doctor with the Canadian military?
00:54:41.400 I don't, I don't think, I don't think so. I just see advertisements for, you know what I mean?
00:54:45.560 Rainbow and blue hair military personnel that we like, whatever's the newest woke trend. But yeah,
00:54:51.720 no, I haven't.
00:54:53.160 No, but we could be doing it, right? Again, that's like, you know, like our last show we did.
00:54:57.640 And I find this bizarre because we, we do these shows and we kind of come to the same,
00:55:02.120 a little bit of the same point is you got a military, you got lots of spending going on people,
00:55:10.280 they want to increase the number of people. They don't have the infrastructure, but yet they don't
00:55:15.480 want to go out and advertise for doctors to be trained and join the military for medical personnel,
00:55:22.840 for people to come learn a trade for, for kids to graduate without debt. You know, we'd rather,
00:55:30.200 we'd rather figure out a way to get kids to go to school, come out with lots of debt and then move
00:55:37.080 back home and, and really ruin them, right? We were, we're ruining a whole generation of people that,
00:55:44.360 that basically we're late. You know, we think we're telling them to get educated them when they're
00:55:49.640 coming out. And quite frankly, they don't have a functional trade. They can't make enough money
00:55:54.360 to survive and they don't have any pension ability. Like when you were mentioning about the doctors
00:56:00.760 and pensions, you know, these poor guys, these poor guys are billing 24 hours a day.
00:56:06.440 They're probably stressed to the max, right? They're probably so levered out the wazoo that they
00:56:13.400 can't make it. So they're, they're trying to find a way. And the only way they can do it is keep
00:56:17.640 billing OHIP till it explodes. Right. So, you know, and, and, and, and that's what they're doing
00:56:23.800 quite frankly. It's very obvious. It's, I don't think, you know, we're not telling anything, saying
00:56:27.800 anything that people don't know. So, but, but wouldn't it be great to, to do that and then start that.
00:56:35.240 So when I go in, I have prioritized medical care, um, by a dedicated service team, kind of like they
00:56:44.280 did in Quebec, they created service teams in Quebec was a brilliant idea. They went, they created
00:56:51.000 medical service teams for people on a color coded basis based on their illness. So if like, for
00:56:58.440 example, if your illness was critical, you went into a medical team of people who specialized in
00:57:05.640 your illness, like that makes sense to me. And then you, you were given that treatment by that,
00:57:13.160 that medical team, by that group, that service provider team, and it wasn't just one person.
00:57:18.280 So you didn't have to wait two years to go into a hospital or to, but, you know, they're not talking
00:57:24.680 about any of these things. They're not having these conversations, but yet, you know, we, we want
00:57:29.320 to publish budgets and throw numbers out. It's a little frustrating at this point because there's
00:57:34.680 got to be a group of strategic thinkers. There's really some, you've alluded to it a couple of times
00:57:39.960 in the military. There's got to be some really strategic thinkers in the military, quite frankly,
00:57:45.560 some smart people who do a bunch of great stuff. Is there not an ability to create a plan or to
00:57:52.120 figure out a way to allocate these monies, to create these things?
00:57:56.920 There, there definitely is some of the people that I worked alongside in intelligence in any field,
00:58:02.920 but specifically intelligence. I couldn't believe I was in the same room as some of these people,
00:58:08.040 like their ability to digest information, analyze the information, report on the information,
00:58:15.960 give their predictions. You know what I mean? Intelligence gathering is basically finding a lot of
00:58:21.400 information and then trying to predict what's going to happen based on the patterns that you're seeing.
00:58:25.400 And the, the stuff that I was able to be exposed to and the people that I was able to be exposed
00:58:30.040 to, I couldn't believe that I, I breathe the same air as some of these people, because I was
00:58:34.680 like, I've joked before, like I'm licking the windows in this room compared to the, compared to how
00:58:39.320 smart and savvy some of these folks are. And it was, it was a real gift to be around them and learn from
00:58:44.440 them. And I'll never forget that. But there, there's the system itself is so bogged down with
00:58:51.560 the rest of the team or the rest of the policies and procedures that are so slow and so
00:58:59.080 useless that it, it brings everything to this. The, the chain is only as strong as its weakest link
00:59:03.880 kind of thing. And these people are just bound to, unfortunately, all this weakness and
00:59:08.680 diffusion of responsibility that nothing really ends up ever happening in time. Everything's a day
00:59:14.920 late and a dollar short, but to answer your question, these people are there and they actually
00:59:20.200 want to do good things. But I think it's a matter of time until they're not there anymore because
00:59:25.320 they're seeing opportunities elsewhere and they're just going to go where those are.
00:59:31.720 Digress a little bit, like having these conversations privately with these physicians,
00:59:35.960 civilians or military, the stuff they were saying to me, I couldn't believe it. Like
00:59:41.400 a military doctor that was a civilian in the military doing the job was listening and looking
00:59:48.440 at my file and following up. And I met with this person relatively consistently and she was listening
00:59:53.800 to everything that I was kind of saying. And she was like, well, why don't you speak publicly about
00:59:58.440 your own situation and others like you? I mean, you have quite a lot to say and you're
01:00:03.160 articulated in the way you say it. And I said, well, would you join me? You know what I mean?
01:00:07.400 Would you sort of be the lever that I can lean on to justify what I'm saying? Because I don't
01:00:14.360 have formal medical training. I just know what I've seen and what I've lived through.
01:00:17.720 And she said, no way. I cannot risk my pension for telling the truth, even though I agree with
01:00:24.200 everything that you're saying. There's just no way that I can do that. I've been here 20 plus years.
01:00:29.080 You know what I mean? I'm X number of years from not having to do this anymore. I've got kids and
01:00:33.320 grandkids and all this stuff. So these people are there. They want to do the things that you're
01:00:39.160 saying, but they're just handcuffed. And it was it was morale destroying. Like I was already on my way
01:00:46.360 out and I was and I was getting out, but it was just morale destroying. And the people that are there
01:00:51.720 know this, the sort of the people that are still in the military know a lot of these things. And I
01:00:56.280 guess that they get by by just compartmentalizing and putting it behind them to just sort of be able to
01:01:02.680 look forward and have any kind of pride or intrinsic motivation to continue doing their job. But
01:01:08.280 like I give I tend to give really long winded answers. But the short answer is these people do
01:01:15.320 exist. These policies do exist, but they're they're just not going to see the light of day with the
01:01:19.320 current leadership that we have. Yeah, it's interesting. You're talking about just reading
01:01:23.480 an article and it's coming up and, you know, we're going to do it on another show because it's becoming
01:01:27.560 more they're writing about it more and more. The fact that in March or whatever, how much money the
01:01:34.840 the military spends to basically just get rid of the budget they have. So and it's actually,
01:01:42.120 you know, they've been talking about it. I've seen it popping up again. You know, the government
01:01:47.000 general does that right by the end coming to the fiscal end of the year. They start to just spend
01:01:52.280 like a spending spree. And the last 60 days of the year is just like everything's being bought and
01:01:57.720 going out the door like mad people. But no, again, I kind of come to it's it boggles my mind.
01:02:06.520 And I know you're saying it's there. So and I get it like a strategic plan, an emergency plan,
01:02:13.960 like how in a in a in a occupation that has to be based on discipline, right? To be a great military,
01:02:24.360 you have to be disciplined, right? Because you have to have everyone moving. You have to be strategic.
01:02:29.800 You know, they they should be able to execute these programs. So as if they if they think they
01:02:35.880 need medical care, if they think they need housing, you know, the things we're talking about, they got
01:02:40.680 to be thinking how to connect those dots. And if they're not, then they can't be serious about getting
01:02:45.080 people because if you can't get adequate health care and you can't get out of adequate housing and you
01:02:51.240 can't get the people recruited, then, you know, you're just going to see that budget item sit
01:02:56.840 there and then disappear. And and quite frankly, right now in Canada, we if we're not going to use
01:03:03.960 that money, if we're going to allocate monies for things we're not going to use, that's the Brian,
01:03:09.080 that's that's the worst thing we could be doing because the only way we get out of the conundrum we're
01:03:13.880 in is that all programs we allocated money to in our budgets have to be functionally working and
01:03:20.600 execute it. Because, you know, we're getting to the point, you know, this week, I don't know if
01:03:25.160 you're reading, but, you know, it's funny, people are surprised that Algoma Steel is laying off a
01:03:32.600 thousand people. I'm like, how could you be surprised? Like, how can you be surprised when
01:03:38.760 you're seeing auto plants and you're seeing steel and lumber and all those things impacted? Well,
01:03:43.640 we're good. We're they're telling us they're going to fund them. Yeah, you're going to fund them.
01:03:48.200 But if they have no customers, you can fund them as much as you want. The guy can't use the money,
01:03:53.080 but I'm not selling anything. You know, because he he's got to, you know, you're going to fund them.
01:03:59.160 They can use that money to reduce the sales price for a while. But when that money runs out,
01:04:04.520 it goes back to a price that no one buys it at. So, you know, it just doesn't make sense. And
01:04:10.600 I hope, you know, and I appreciate you taking the time for the show.
01:04:13.800 So, you know, I hope as people listen to the show, I hope that they understand that
01:04:20.280 it's not any more about just getting a budget allocated to a line item.
01:04:25.000 It's that you're they really need to focus on making these things happen. So thanks again,
01:04:31.000 Brian. I appreciate you taking the time. Thanks. Thanks for having me. I'm super glad that there's
01:04:37.640 informed folks like you, you know, I mean raising these questions and having these conversations.
01:04:41.240 It's really important. So I appreciate it a lot as well. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And
01:04:46.040 for everyone, you know, stay tuned. We're going to get a show going. Brian's got a couple more shows
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01:04:56.520 we look forward to seeing you soon.