Canada’s Military Healthcare Crisis Exposed
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Summary
We send our military members abroad, we send them into harm's way, they get hurt, and when they come back, we put them right into our terrible healthcare system. We know our healthcare system is broken, we ve talked about it on many shows, we know the mess, we don t even give our military personnel priority. We need to make things like healthcare, housing, recruitment a priority if we re going to make the military a force.
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Today on True Patriot Love, Under the Pillar, Military Healthcare, we're going to have Brian
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Isted, and Brian's going to tell us a shameful story. We send our military members abroad,
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we send them into harm's way, they get hurt, they get injured, and when they come back,
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we put them right into our terrible healthcare system. We know our healthcare system's broken,
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we've talked about it on many shows, we know the mess. We don't even give our military personnel
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priority. We bring them back. We found out we don't have military hospitals or facilities for
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these individuals. We don't have specialists for them. They don't have priority. And when they go
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to get trained up, they have to enter the same educational system to become doctors and nurses
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as the rest of our civilians. What is going on? How do we not identify this as a critical factor?
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If we're going to build the military, and we're going to make it a force,
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we need to make things like healthcare, housing, recruitment, a priority.
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Today on True Patriot Love Media, Under the Pillar Healthcare, I'm happy to welcome back Brian
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to talk about also military. So welcome back, Brian.
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So, you know, getting ready for the show, because I talked to Brian, we did a great show a few weeks
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ago on housing and recruitment in the military. So I said, Jim, we got to get together, do another
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show. And I was getting ready for the show. And the show's basically on healthcare and the military.
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Getting ready for the show. And a story broke. And there's a number of stories on healthcare across
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Canada right now. A story originally broke a few weeks ago on Quebec. And we did an awesome show
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where we went through the dispute between doctors and the government. And we looked at the government's
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point of view on healthcare. And we found out it was fairly reasonable. And the doctors were
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complaining that they had to go to a performance schedule. So we took a look at it. We came back
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and said, no, there's some things they could tweak in the formula they were giving the doctors. But I
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think it was all in all, I think they had a fairly reasonable concept. Two million Quebecers didn't
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have healthcare, didn't have a doctor. We could see where people were struggling. And we said that,
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you know, the government had done a good job at creating group services to create healthcare
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healthcare for everyone. And when we did the math, we found out that there were roughly one doctor for
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every 369 people in Quebec. And the doctors were complaining they were overworked. So we couldn't,
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the math didn't work. So we left that meet, we left that podcast. And we were all sitting around and
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we started thinking to ourselves, we need to do another show because the math in the show didn't work.
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So when we calculated all the calculations, we went through the numbers that the doctors and
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the Quebec government were throwing. We're like, there's got to be something weird here. There's
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got to be some fraud. There's got to be some collusion, some craziness going on. So just as we're
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doing this, getting ready for another show, the Ontario OHIP story breaks out. And I was telling
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Brian before the show. So they found out that they had 59 doctors who were billing 24 hours a day
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for over 90 days in a year. They had one doctor who is billing 114 hours in one day.
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So, and they had one ophthalmologist who billed 6.7 million in 2023 and 24. 6.7 million dollars.
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So, and it was double the next highest billing for the next, like the next ophthalmologist was
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50% lower. So anyways, you know, these are just stories. And then basically we had to write off
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1.4 billion in PPE that we had bought that's still dated now. So we had to get rid of a billion dollars
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in PPE supplies. So those are some of the things the Auto General found. So then I said before the
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show, I said, you know, I got to ask Brian, what is the healthcare like in the military? And so
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we started digging into it. We're doing, we're doing some research and I'm like,
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and I'm glad we haven't been on today. Cause I had no idea of any of this. I am totally ignorant
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and I can't believe this because I have lived in the U S I've lived in Canada. I'm from Canada.
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And I thought for sure, I would find medical schools and medical doctors and I would find
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military hospitals. I'd find a treatment for, you know, all kinds of ailments, physical and mental
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inside the military. I couldn't find them, Brian. And what am I missing? Well, you can't find them
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because they don't exist. There, there are no military hospitals in Canada. There are no veteran
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hospitals in Canada. We are subject to, so if you have a, if you have a minor injury, you get a,
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you get a scrape, you get a cut maybe even a fracture, minor fracture, you'll go to the base
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hospital, the, the MIR it's called. I can't remember what that stands for, but it's the,
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it's sort of the base triage facility that can sort of give you baseline medical care. But if you,
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if you have any real injury that requires sort of immediate surgical intervention,
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kind of equivalent of maybe a rule three would be called in, in military terms, like I've seen
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operationally overseas, you are, you you're taken off the base and you're taken to the nearest civilian
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hospital, because that's the only place that has the infrastructure, the specialists, surgeons,
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orthopedists, or whoever you need to see that to identify and properly treat that injury. So
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for example, in Ottawa, where I was posted for six or seven years, they have a hospital that's for
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military personnel, but it's attached to the civilian hospital. So that it's not a dedicated military
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building, but it has a military access point with controlled access through your key card
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that will allow you to get in to see the military doctors, some of whom are civilians who work for D&D,
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and some of our military trained military soldiers. One of the physicians I saw was previously a pilot
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in a, in a previous life kind of career, prior training, and then moved over into the medical space
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and has since become a GP that I was seeing and having many, many conversations with them, the nurses,
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the admin folks that are, were brave enough or honest enough to speak candidly with me about a lot of
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the things that I was dealing with, other people were dealing with. It's, there's a tremendous amount
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of overworking and overburden that these people are stretched very thin. And the level of service is
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declining exponentially because of this, like they're, they're, it's a treating people out because
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they, they're, there's not enough people to keep up with the workload that they're given. And they're
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seeing so many patients all day, every day that they just are, I think kind of starting to throw their
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hands up and saying like, this is too much. We can't really do this. And most of the people that I
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interacted with in the medical community professionally, while I was at D&D, were, were well-meaning,
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well-intentioned people that were sort of handcuffed by the bureaucracy of policies or mandates or
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whatever, but there, there's just not enough to go around. And it's another, and again, like awesome
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conversation we had a week or so ago, and then immediately following articles echoing exactly what
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we were talking about. There's not enough, there's, people are leaving the military because they can't
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get access to care fast enough. If you want to get a CT scan, an MRI, like you you're pushed
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immediately into the civilian system where you're waiting months and months. I've been waiting two
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years to see a spine specialist in Ontario. So fingers crossed, you know what I mean? Any day now
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I'm going to be able to take one on. And when the referrals go out, everyone comes back and says,
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I can't take another patient. I don't have expertise in this area, et cetera, et cetera. So
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there there's, everyone is spread so thin and there's no, there's no money to go around and,
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and no infrastructure even to put them in, in the first place. So it's just, it's like a, it's just
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this hemorrhaging inferno of issues that saw someone just to address pretty quickly.
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Well, yeah, I get it, but you know, it's interesting. We're, we're talking about this
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massive allocation of funds in the 2025 budget to increase military, like just like housing,
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like we talked about, but yet we don't have allocated healthcare. And, uh, I did, uh, I don't
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know, it's more than a year, say it's almost a year and a half. I, I basically lived in Annapolis,
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Maryland for a year and a half home of the Naval Academy. And so I, I was on and off
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the base all the time because there's tours and I, I made friends down there. So, uh, and
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it was amazing. The facilities at the Academy, um, and also, uh, basically the medical services,
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the support services, all the things that the community provided, uh, there. And I thought,
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I didn't even really think twice about it. I thought for sure there would be, you know, a facility,
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let's say, and maybe not for operating, but I did, you know, I guess, naively think that
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in Canada, we'd have one on the West coast, one centrally, one on the East coast and one
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in Quebec. I just assumed, you know, dumb me, but I basically assumed that we would, we would
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basically buy a building, you know, or take an old government building, create it and provide
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healthcare for the people in the, in the armed forces and, and, and take care of them when
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they were on service and, and when they finished, finished up and they retired. Uh, but I couldn't
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believe I'm wrong. So here's the thing that kind of grabbed me. You know, I started off
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the show just talking kind of, it's a mess. Like, you know, the more we dig into healthcare
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as a, as a subject, you know, it's, it's just a mess in every province, whether it's
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overbilling, whether it's poor performance, whether it's, you know, no one showing up,
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whether it's not coordinated very well, it's a mess. So we, we're now thinking of increasing
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our military and using our health services, uh, outside of the military to service the increase
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in people like that. It just doesn't seem rational. And if I was thinking of a project right now,
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wouldn't it be to set up an internal health services, uh, network inside of the armed forces?
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Yeah, that's, uh, the, the pro I just want to back up 15 seconds when you said it's not rational. And
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the, the problem that you're experiencing, uh, internally is that you're using ration and logic
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to determine the way ahead. And I don't think anybody in any position of authority is doing that.
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Um, yeah, it makes, it makes total sense. Like let's bring in more people
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that I said that want to be here that are there for the right reasons that'll stick around and then
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build the infrastructure to support those people, whether it's, you know what I mean? The daycare
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facilities, uh, the healthcare, uh, perfect example is the U S bases that you said you were living near
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or on. If you go to a U S base and I spent a reasonable amount of time in the U S training among
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Marines and our, and army folks, and their bases are gigantic, absolute gigantic with, uh, human,
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whole small cities built inside of them to accommodate. And, and the U S military has its
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own problems and I'm not gonna pretend like they have all the answers, but no, you can go into these
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fully equipped, fully functional, legit hospital infrastructure support to get your MRI, your,
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your screening, your, your this done, your that done, all that stuff can be done in house.
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And we just don't have anything like that. Everything has to be farmed out. So you, you just
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go to the back of the line with everybody else, uh, and you wait your turn. And, uh, it's just,
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it's really a source of stress and strain on the people that are already dealing with all the other
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issues that we addressed. Um, and we don't have anywhere near the support or the investment of the
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Americans. And I'm, and obviously we don't need it. They have 10 X 20 X our, our amount of people,
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but there should be at least some, a plan in place to try to keep up with the demand that we have. And
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I just don't see it. Like I just did a quick search on Grok right before this interview. And we,
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in the last 10 years, we've spent $19 billion on DEI and gender-based initiatives in, in just 10 years.
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So imagine how many hospitals and doctors we could have trained for $19 billion. And the vast
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majority of that money was sent outside of the country for sort of foreign relations. Um,
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whatever you want to call that, just like who knows where that money went, I can guarantee it didn't
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end up for in diversity training. Any of it did, that's still a waste of money, but yeah, we just,
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we don't have anything in place to take care of our people. And it's another, it's, it's yet another
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reason for the attrition that people are, are experiencing. Well, and, and here's the crazy
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thing, Brian, you know, you're talking about a personal situation, you know, health-wise
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two years, you should have priority like past and present, uh, military personnel should have medical
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priority. That should just be the way it is. Right. Number one, you know, the people that are
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currently serving, we have to get them healthy and back in play. So that should be something that is
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prioritized. So that should be its own. You know, if we're going to, if we're going to co-mingle health
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services, we should have priority-based services and allocated services that, that makes no sense
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not to have it. Someone's not thinking like the fact that the fact that you have to drop off into
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our crazy pond of healthcare and try to navigate your way through there's, there should be someone
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that actually is coordinating that for you. And that, that I find that bizarre. I just think that's,
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that's craziness. Hey, I wanted to talk about, I wanted to talk about doctors because this was
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an interesting one and I didn't even know this. I thought, and this is, again, haven't spent any
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time on it. So I dug into it a little with the team. I thought, okay, they have their own dedicated
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doctors. Those doctors, you know, go and they go to, you know, uh, military college. Uh, they get trained
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up, um, they get trained up in a specialty of, uh, field and, and, uh, triage and they would be, uh,
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allocated. Uh, they would do, you know, five to seven years of service, and then they could go and
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leave kind of like, uh, they do down at some of the academies in the States where you have to stay for so
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many years after and they'll pay for your medical. Then I found out when we jumped into it, the, no,
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you apply to a, uh, you apply to go to medical school, you go to the medical school, you apply
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to the military and you get subsidized. So like, how hard is that? Like what a hurdle think about that
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hurdle. And I know, cause I have, I have sons and they've looked at it, you know, just getting into
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medical school now is a gargantuan task. Like just, you know, cause it's so competitive and the marks
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that people need to get and, and, and the people that do it right now have to be super competitive.
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If you don't have money, so then, you know, you're, you're pretty much doing it because you want
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funding. I assume that's one of the main reasons that you do it, uh, because you know, you need to
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pay your bills. So you, you join the military, you get it. We haven't developed a program that
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specifically is for military doctors. So we make them go through the process of being a doctor
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and then hope that they'll divert, uh, to the military. And you brought up one reason
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I didn't think about, which I'm not going to let you talk to why they would join the military.
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Um, but I was shocked. I was, I was absolutely shocked that nurses and doctors aren't trained
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inside separately, the military for their profession.
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Nurses. I'm not a hundred percent sure. I know that, uh, I think there is something for them. I
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can't, I can't speak to that. I, I, I'll look that up and get back to you. And I hope that people
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watching, um, if, if they're unsure, they go and, and, and find out. Cause I, I don't want to,
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you know what I mean? Give bad information, but in terms of the doctors,
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they're like, it's so competitive to get into these, uh, if you're, if you're doing it as a,
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let's say you're an infantry officer, like how I joined in the reserve, but like, like, let's say
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you're 18 years old and you're going to go into college or university and you want to be an infantry
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officer. You can do what I think it's called ROTP, the regular officer training program or something
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like that. So you go to a civilian university and then you do your course training in the,
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in the summer, but you graduate with sort of, and you get paid to go to school.
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So you graduate with, uh, employment, obviously in your field because you're,
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you've got your degree and now you immediately join and you, uh, hopefully you sort of hit the
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ground running. You become a platoon commander very likely, or, or, or something equivalent to
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that in your first years of training. Um, but there's a lot of incentive because you
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graduate with no debt, you get paid to go and you're immediately employed in your field.
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So those are huge bonuses for a young person. Um, especially if I could relate it to myself when
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I came out of university and, and, and sort of now retroactively started going through the, uh,
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recruitment and application process that I told you about last time and how much of a treat that was.
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So like these incentives do exist, but for the doctors, they're so competitive and there's so few
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positions that, uh, it's just, we're not able to supply the machine. It looks like with what it
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actually needs because we don't really have, again, the infrastructure or funding or professional
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training to support the amount of people that we actually need. And without any, without any
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dedicated facilities to pushing through, you know what I mean? These well-trained professionals,
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they have to go through the civilian system. And speaking with many of them, again, candidly,
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like I, I, I, I basically went to medical appointments almost full time for about two
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years, trying to figure out and diagnose all the problems that I've been experiencing
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post vaccination, which is huge coincidence, right? I'm not going to say anything. I'm not
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going to dive into that just yet, but coincidentally, I started having, I started having just a cascade
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of health problems. And as I was talking to the physicians, like they're, they're just exhausted.
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These people are one after another, just going, uh, one patient, next patient, next, and writing
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prescription for this. And I was put on a litany of everything, anti-inflammatory, anti-depressant,
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like they were just prescribing me one thing after another to try to get me in and out as quick as
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possible. And when I actually got the time to sit down and discuss what was really going on in the
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questions that I had, most of them are sort of on the brink of sort of a nervous breakdown,
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it seems. And they're putting on this brave face to see their, to see their patients because they,
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they have to, and, and they don't have a choice. But
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I just think that we, we need more of these people. Um, and, and a major reason that they stick
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around given the fact that their working conditions and patient volume is so severe is like the
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pensions and they are a government employee now with a really good pension based on their,
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I don't know, 150, 200 K plus salary that they're making as a doctor, a specialist in their field.
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Um, and they were, they're kind of handcuffed to it and really nowhere to go. So I, I understand
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where they're coming from in a lot of ways. Um, but we just, we just don't support them. We don't
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recruit them. We don't really pay them. And it's obvious as we're seeing now kind of with the brain
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drain, that's always existed to the U S or other countries. I think it's about to get more severe.
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Um, and yeah, these problems are going to continue to cascade.
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Yeah. You know, and we let them, that's the, that's the frustrating thing because,
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you know, we go and we put a budget together and again, I, you know, uh, as I said in many times
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during the budget analysis, I think we have to spend our way out of our problems right now.
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Strategic, uh, strategic programs and projects that have a return on investment to Canada.
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Military spending, I think is great. I think it has to be, uh, creating new skill sets in the community.
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So this one, quite frankly, this one is to me is a no brainer. So if I'm going to do healthcare in
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the military, I'm going to go and I'm going to find, uh, buildings that I can accommodate.
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Like I said, in the East coast, West coast, central Quebec, I'm going to find a building.
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I'm going to basically set it up and then I'm going to start training, uh, healthcare professionals
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for the military as I, I'm expanding the number of people entering. So as I'm recruiting more,
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so as this crazy recruiting issue we talked about last time goes away and we start to bring more
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people on board, which is what they're saying they want to do, then I'd have to create a healthcare.
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If I'm serious about this, I'd have to do it. Now to me, now this becomes great because now
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if I want more doctors, then quite frankly, I'd have to figure out how to
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co-partnership with one of the, uh, schools that does, um, training for doctors, medical schools,
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universities, you know, colleges for some, uh, healthcare providers. And then I'd have to figure
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out a way to set up a separate arm that they could actually go and get trained up. And I think that's
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terrific. And I think your point, Brian, you know, and I want to go back to, because I think we have
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to focus on it in Canada more and more, no debt. Like we don't need to put these kids into more schools
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to amass massive amount of debts to come out without employment. We don't, right? Like we need, we need to
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get focused with what we're doing with young people right now. And if it's going to the military,
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honestly, now you're telling me, I wish I would have thought about it when I was going to school.
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Cause quite frankly, I worked a full-time job, you know, I hustled around to go to university.
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Uh, that's kind of how I graduated. It probably would have been better and more fun for me if I
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would actually, you know, join the military, went to school and then part-time, you know, like you said,
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I got paid to go to school so I could have enjoyed school. Cause I didn't enjoy school.
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I'll be truthful with it. I, I didn't, I went to, I went to U of T. I hated it. It was terrible.
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I worked 40 to 50 hours a week full-time. Uh, I studied when I could, uh, I got accepted into the
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BCOM program. I, uh, which was great. Uh, and I, I graduated, but you know, I think this would be
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terrific. I think it'd be great for doctors because right now, right now expecting doctors to compete
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and then go to the military. I think it's almost, you're, you're asking for a tall order. So I think
00:24:22.600
you should allocate so many positions to people, uh, who want to become doctors, who will commit to the
00:24:31.400
military for what do you think, Brian, five years, 10 years? Yeah. I, I haven't done a deep dive into
00:24:39.560
the sort of ones and zeros of what would make that work, but yeah, five years seems reasonable. I grad,
00:24:46.840
my brother-in-law is a doctor and he graduated with a couple hundred thousand dollars debt
00:24:52.600
for, from medical school. And it just, it was such a burden on him sort of psychologically as now he's in
00:24:57.880
is by the time you finish your undergrad, uh, you know what I mean? Medical school, residency,
00:25:04.280
all that stuff. Like you're, you're 30 plus years old by the time this stuff is all done.
00:25:08.760
And now you're just starting to repay a quarter million or whatever it is dollars debt. Like
00:25:13.800
this thing should be subsidized across the board for both civilians and military physicians. But I,
00:25:20.600
I agree with what you're saying a hundred percent. We should be incentivizing in a huge way,
00:25:24.600
maybe give the folks who are willing to join the military a salary bump. You know what I mean?
00:25:28.840
Let's give them, uh, some kind of discount on housing. Like you, you pay no tax on your
00:25:35.960
house or whatever. If you live within X distance from the base, whatever, I, I haven't really,
00:25:40.520
you know what I mean? Again, done a surgical examination of, of how to make this work, but these
00:25:44.920
are relatively simple solutions that I think would solve complex problems if they could be applied at
00:25:50.680
scale. And, uh, yeah, I think you're, I think once again, you're, you're just kind of hitting the nail
00:25:55.000
on the head here and where we need to go and the fact that we're not doing it and we're burning these
00:25:59.480
people out at an exponential rate, not to mention the, uh, I don't want to harp on this the whole time,
00:26:05.160
but they burned a lot of bridges in the medical community with the COVID related policies and the
00:26:10.840
COVID era stuff I've spoken to personally, like this must exist in an even bigger scale, but personally,
00:26:17.720
I can speak to at least three case managers that I've nurses that I've dealt with that told me that
00:26:24.120
they either had horrific sort of side effects themselves personally, physically, or, uh, one
00:26:31.240
individual I spoke to that confided in me and like names obviously don't matter. I'm not going to burn
00:26:35.880
this person, but they went to get a, uh, their second COVID shot, uh, in the, in the lineup and sit
00:26:42.920
there in the tent and get your shot and then wait for 15 minutes. And in that 15 minute wait,
00:26:47.240
the individual beside him fell over and had a seizure. You know what I mean? Like within,
00:26:53.400
within minutes of having, so when I reached, when my file reached his desk and he was saying, okay,
00:26:58.600
well, I'm, I empathize with your situation and all the stuff you're going through because I've
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kind of seen how it goes and I'm not taking anything ever again that they give us because
00:27:06.760
how do I trust anything now? Like this is coming from a medical professional
00:27:11.000
in the medical field of the military. So if these people are asking questions and they have their
00:27:16.760
doubts and they've seen the implications and the side effects firsthand, like that,
00:27:21.720
that's not going to be, they're not going to be a great ambassador of the brand. You know what I
00:27:25.240
mean? Moving forward to say, Hey, have you thought of this or like, they're going to be saying,
00:27:29.880
don't come here. You know what I mean? They're, they're going to be, they're, they're going to be
00:27:33.800
waving people away saying, go to a good school, move to, you know what I mean? Texas pay less tax
00:27:39.480
and become a plastic or whatever. You know what I mean? These, they're just, these people are like
00:27:44.360
by and large broken and overworked and the COVID stuff, I think put them over the edge.
00:27:50.040
Well, you know, and I want to talk about that a little because you know, COVID to me is kind
00:27:53.480
of symptomatic, right? So if you look at it, you can apply that to, you know, being in the military,
00:27:59.320
you're in a high risk job, right? You guys like, you know, you, you ship out Iraq, you know, you go
00:28:06.360
wherever you're going, right? So you ship out, you're in a high risk environment, you go somewhere,
00:28:11.240
you know, number one, you don't know where you're going to land. You don't know what weapons are being
00:28:16.360
used against you and what environment you're in and what bugs you're going to pick up, right?
00:28:21.320
Because you're, you're landing and you're moving in kind of hostile territory, not in great,
00:28:25.880
like, you know, you can tell us some stories, but you're, you're further, you know, the most part,
00:28:31.880
you're, you're either securing a base or you're, you know, you're moving forward to do
00:28:41.160
investigations of areas and, you know, reconnaissance. So you're kind of in a new place,
00:28:47.880
new bugs, new agents. So the chances of you coming back with something are fairly high. Like,
00:28:54.760
if you think about it, like, and it doesn't have to be life altering, but it's, it's just the fact
00:28:59.880
that if anyone's traveled a lot, you go on vacation to some of these, whether it be a tropical iron,
00:29:05.480
whether it be South America, you're going to pick up new bugs and new strains of anything, right?
00:29:11.160
So your guys are doing that all the time. So you come back and you, you decide you're done your
00:29:17.480
service, you, you drop out, you find you've, you have something you, so you have to drop it back
00:29:23.800
into the regular healthcare system. That makes no sense to me. Cause I, that can't be, and
00:29:32.280
some of the details, I don't know, but do you guys get supplemented healthcare, like any compensation
00:29:38.360
for that, Brian? Like, is there any, like, when you drop, when, when you retire or whether you leave,
00:29:44.840
are your benefits, like, is it like, are you still covered under your, you know, drug program? Or is,
00:29:52.120
is there, or is there still things that you guys get is by being ex-military members?
00:29:57.880
So I can speak to the medical release or three B or three Bravo that I received. Uh, I don't know all
00:30:04.840
the ins and outs of how it works. If you just do 10 years or your regular release, and then you get
00:30:11.160
out, but there are absolutely, um, programs that take care of and provide insurance coverage for
00:30:19.480
international travel, um, prescriptions, things, uh, sort of periphery medicine that you would kind of
00:30:26.280
consider physiotherapy, massage therapy, things that a lot of guys have bad backs, bad knees,
00:30:31.320
bad feet. Like these, these things are, and this is an area again, I've, I've, I think I've,
00:30:37.480
I think I've, uh, chirped the military quite a bit in, in many of the pods that I've done, but I do,
00:30:41.960
I do want to recognize that they, they have done a pretty good job of enabling me personally,
00:30:48.680
the resources that I needed to get again, the physio, the prescriptions, all those things are,
00:30:53.720
most of that stuff is covered. The process for claiming them can be a little arduous and redundant.
00:31:02.280
You know what I mean? Like dealing with blue cross for instance, and having to get receipts covered for
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treatments or whatever can sometimes take two or three attempts just because it's an insurance
00:31:10.680
company. And I think their agenda is to not pay you. I think that's every insurance company ever,
00:31:15.160
but they do, to answer your question, they absolutely do provide that for you depending on your
00:31:21.240
release structure or pathway that you got out. And if you medically released, like I kind of had to,
00:31:27.320
that stuff is provided for you sort of in perpetuity. So I do have a reasonably good
00:31:34.040
level of coverage for certain things. I, for the first time, actually a few weeks ago, I build a
00:31:39.800
prescription because I did pick up a stomach bug and I had to get a specific kind of drug that wasn't
00:31:45.560
covered. So that was the first time that I had submitted something. And they said, oh, by the way,
00:31:48.680
like this $25 medication is not covered, whatever, not a big deal. I'll eat that. But it, it does exist.
00:31:55.400
It is there. They have done a reasonably good job of that, but to be able to navigate the,
00:32:01.560
the release process to get a medical release, like I did, it is not easy on its own. So like,
00:32:06.920
I represent kind of a very small number of people that sort of have been quote unquote, effectively
00:32:13.560
covered once I left. But I, I, like I said, I still have to plug back into the civilian system
00:32:18.840
and wait in line, like everybody else, when something sort of acute does come up and I need
00:32:23.080
a specialist or whatever. So it's, they do some things well, but there's definitely room for
00:32:27.560
improvement. Well, you know, it's interesting because you talked about COVID for a minute and,
00:32:31.880
you know, because I had watched some of your past podcasts, I kind of delved into, you know,
00:32:37.880
what would be the coverage if I was permanently impacted by my COVID vaccine in Canada? So I was
00:32:44.360
curious and I, so I looked at it and I don't, you know, you dig into it and there is a claim system
00:32:50.520
under a company called Xera. And it basically is a Grant Thornton company, but it hasn't paid out a lot.
00:32:57.720
So quite frankly, there's been claims they've, they've, the government has allocated for COVID claimants
00:33:03.640
who have side effects roughly, I think it's 75 million over five years. They did. And now they've
00:33:09.320
added 36 more million. So about 111 million, they've put aside claims from what we can tell,
00:33:16.040
it's hard to figure out because this Xera company seems to be mostly AI driven. So, you know, you
00:33:22.840
don't ever get to speak to a person. So from what we can figure out, it basically, it reports about 11
00:33:31.080
million in claims paid out. So it's really not a lot. And then we said, okay, let's take a look at
00:33:37.160
the U S you know, cause we're kind of curious to see kind of what the difference is between claimants
00:33:42.840
and the U S has the same kind of issue with claimants on COVID. They have a big program set up,
00:33:51.320
but they haven't paid out a lot. So they've had about 13,000 people apply. They've paid only 67 people.
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And each of those people, they've paid $4,000. So really peanuts. But the funny thing about in the
00:34:06.600
U S they have another program, which I think you can also apply. They've paid $5.2 billion for vaccine
00:34:16.040
side effects since 1985 to people 5.2 billion, which is a crazy amount. So I think they co-mingle the two
00:34:25.000
programs together, but yeah, it's interesting, you know, how I was wondering, cause I remember during
00:34:31.240
COVID all these new laws being passed that basically no one was liable for anything. Remember when
00:34:38.360
all the governments were all passing all this legislation, you know, making all the vaccine
00:34:43.480
companies, uh, you know, not liable because they couldn't do the appropriate amount of testing and
00:34:50.280
all that was going on. Well, it was, it was so safe and effective that they didn't need to
00:34:56.360
have any sort of contingency plan. You know what I mean? Um, which is the regurgitated garbage slogan
00:35:02.440
that everybody heard. Um, we, so the federal government did very sneakily roll out something.
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I think it's called the VISP, the vaccine injury. Yeah. I'm, I'm failing on all these acronyms.
00:35:13.480
There's so many acronyms in my life. Um, so they did roll something out that has already lapsed.
00:35:19.720
So if you have not yet claimed your vaccine injury, I think it lapsed even as long as a year ago or more,
00:35:27.160
if you haven't yet claimed or provided sort of documentation of what's happened to you based
00:35:31.400
on your vaccine, you're not entitled to anything. So they rolled out this program with millions and
00:35:36.200
millions of dollars earmarked to protect and help people that had issues. And there was like a
00:35:40.680
handful of people in the entire country that received anything and what they did receive,
00:35:44.840
like you said, it was nothing and it was a joke. So this is still an ongoing effort for them to
00:35:51.880
just damage control and control the narrative of this thing was absolutely necessary. Um, even,
00:35:58.920
even before like I'm digressing here a little bit, but I think this matters even before the mandates
00:36:04.120
came into the military, there was a 90 plus percent uptake of the COVID vaccine for at least one of
00:36:11.560
the doses. Um, if not both, it was, it was extraordinarily high. Like you didn't need to
00:36:17.960
convince people more or less to go and get this. Everybody was kind of on board for the most part,
00:36:22.280
nine and 10 people were on board to come in and take this and move forward. And then they still issued
00:36:28.120
the mandates after that. And I think the lingering effect of that is contributing to this lack of
00:36:34.920
trust, this attrition, um, these, these, these senior officers that are, they're, they're not soldiers
00:36:41.400
anymore. They haven't been soldiers in a long time. They're politicians and they're just acting in the
00:36:45.560
best interest of the people that they serve, which for the last decade plus has been a heavily corrupt
00:36:51.240
liberal government. So whether you're Wayne air or the current CDS, uh, Carnic Kerrigan, um, they just,
00:37:00.040
they don't really care about actually initiating policies that make sense or following up on the
00:37:05.880
people that they did hurt. This is just a campaign of distract, deflect, delay. You know what I mean?
00:37:12.120
Anything until it gets so long that it's memory hold from the people who just move on to the next
00:37:16.760
manufactured crisis and, and people, this, this bleeds into the last podcast that we did. Like
00:37:22.520
this is yet another problem that people are facing when they want to join. Like they don't want to deal
00:37:27.240
with this. They don't want to be forced into taking something that they're still pushing. DND is still
00:37:33.720
pushing this vaccine on people before they deploy. It's no longer quote unquote mandatory, but there are,
00:37:40.680
I know personally people that are having career implications to this day because they're not taking
00:37:45.720
boosters. They're not taking, they never took the original shot or two shots. And this is having
00:37:51.160
lingering effects on them still. And all of these things bleed into one another of how many issues
00:37:56.680
exist from the top down where they could have, in my opinion, not easily, but simply come forward and
00:38:03.480
said, what we did was a, was a huge flinch over reaction. And now we're going to draw this back.
00:38:10.200
But again, this would leave liability on them for doing that. And they will, in my opinion,
00:38:14.680
they will never do this until a court forces their hand.
00:38:18.760
Wow. So they're still, so they're still trying to get people, you know, and oh yeah. Oh yeah.
00:38:24.760
That's interesting because you know, when you said that it didn't, you guys must have been used to
00:38:30.040
taking vaccines, right? Because as you're traveling abroad and you're doing, you know,
00:38:34.200
you're going to different places. Usually they do vaccinate people, you know, just in case they catch
00:38:39.320
different things. So I could get that. Probably at the beginning, one shot everyone was good for.
00:38:45.720
You know, we were the same way, you know, and not to go back and, you know,
00:38:52.760
complain or, or cry about what went down. But, you know, it was tough times for everyone. You know,
00:38:58.040
we were all told in a very quick period to shut down, go home. You know, I, I basically laid off
00:39:05.400
660 people up in Ottawa, and then basically another hundred year,
00:39:11.000
760 people in two days, shut two businesses, you know, shut down two construction sites. Like
00:39:19.000
it was, it was painful, you know, it was like four days. And, you know, I remember getting home and
00:39:23.400
telling my wife, I said, I'm going to quit drinking now because if I start drinking, I'm never going to
00:39:27.880
stop. And, and that was kind of it. We, we kind of went sober for the whole COVID period because
00:39:35.640
it was just overwhelming at the time. You didn't know what was going to happen. And,
00:39:39.880
you know, you had to figure out a way to retool. And I think we did a good job personally doing that.
00:39:45.480
And from a business perspective, but, you know, for someone who was sent home from the military at the time,
00:39:51.160
you know, a little painful because you guys are not meant to number one, you know, and I, I asked you
00:39:58.920
before the show, I think a lot of the guys were just told to kind of go home and, you know, they
00:40:04.840
downsized, you know, they went to shifts and rotated and, uh, you know, so you just go wait for, to be
00:40:11.960
recalled. And, and that was kind of the way it went, wasn't it? They, they got paid, but they, they kind of sat
00:40:19.160
and waited for the phone to ring again. Yeah. And there was sort of, depending on what base you
00:40:25.000
were in and what your role was, you would have sort of, uh, an identified time that you would need to
00:40:31.640
be able to report if something, if something did happen, like you're never kind of completely cut
00:40:35.720
loose, but in the same, in the same vein as the medical stuff that we've been talking about, there's
00:40:40.600
also a medical intelligence community that I was exposed to when I was an intelligence analyst.
00:40:45.400
So in the height of all the hysteria of, you know what I mean? Uh, everyone's going to die,
00:40:51.160
use hand sanitizer on your groceries and you know what I mean?
00:40:55.000
Sleep and shower in your mask, like all, like all the non five masks, like all this stuff that sort of
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eventually became every, if you had any common sense, you questioned this and eventually became
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obvious bullshit. Um, the medical intelligence community that I was working right alongside
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at top secret and above levels, they were pushing the narrative. Like you would not believe there
00:41:15.720
was zero questioning of everything that was coming out of the government. And we were told to trust the
00:41:21.320
experts. The experts were the people that had all of those insanely idiotic forecasts and of, of how
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many people were going to die. And then you had, and they were coming from all over the world. So you had
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medical intelligence people in Canada briefing, briefing the chief of defense intelligence,
00:41:41.000
who is the, is everybody's boss in under this umbrella organization. And they're telling him
00:41:45.880
to tell the CDS that we need to lock down harder. We have no beds. You know what I mean? Everyone's
00:41:52.360
getting like, we're forecasting way more people to die. But as an intelligence analyst at the time,
00:41:59.080
I wasn't seeing this. And anybody that, you know what I mean, went into a hospital was seeing empty
00:42:03.480
hospitals. Like were the ICUs full of, uh, you know what I mean? 85 year old people with emphysema
00:42:09.160
that were having trouble breathing. Like, yeah, like ICUs are supposed to be full and that's why
00:42:13.480
they run at extraordinarily high operating costs with razor thin margins so that they can,
00:42:18.040
you know what I mean? You don't, you don't have 75 empty ICU beds running because it's too expensive
00:42:22.120
to run them. ICUs in some places were full, but talking to civilian doctors, you know what I mean?
00:42:29.240
Much after the fact, I had, I had one, I'm going off on a bit of a rant here. I'll bring this all
00:42:33.960
together in a second. Speaking, speaking privately, candidly with the top infectious disease doctor in
00:42:40.360
Canada at the time of just a couple of years ago, he had, he had obviously asked me not to repeat his
00:42:46.360
or her name and I won't, but this person received death threats for candidly saying on a public broadcast
00:42:54.520
that we need to reduce the lockdown measures and return back to normal life because our reaction
00:43:00.600
is overblown to what the threat is. This is not me giving my two cents as an intelligence analyst.
00:43:05.560
This is the top infectious disease doctor in the country, working at the busiest hospital in the
00:43:10.760
country, trying to tell Canadian media that what we're doing is an overreaction and the woke sort of
00:43:17.880
boomer mob that came after him of, oh my God, you're trying to kill grandma and like kids need to stay
00:43:24.280
out of school. We're threatening the life of this person. So this is, this is the level of kind of
00:43:29.240
hysteria and delusion that we reached that I was seeing at the highest levels of the medical
00:43:34.280
intelligence community reiterate to their bosses that we need to continue this momentum because
00:43:41.080
everyone in this room is getting paid and we will continue to get paid as long as this is locked down.
00:43:46.360
And I'm, I'm in this room just questioning my own sanity because we were quite literally instructed to
00:43:52.680
dig into COVID, find out what's going on with it, use open source, use level two, use level three,
00:43:59.240
every resource level two is secret, level three is top secret, access to reporting. And everything
00:44:05.720
that I was able to dive into with access to some of the best and most current information at the time
00:44:11.080
in the world was telling me that this was an overreaction. But the people in the medical community
00:44:17.160
did not for some reason, you know what I mean, want to acknowledge that. And it was just
00:44:21.640
push this narrative up and we'll continue to get paid even though a fraction of us are required to
00:44:26.600
work. It's just that this is all sort of holistically sort of coming together as this huge problem and
00:44:33.080
distrust in the medical community. And now that's part of the D and D community. And I, I, I've been,
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I've been trying to shout this from the rooftops here for about a year and a half now. And hopefully
00:44:44.600
people are seeing this and it's resonating that there was at no time danger to most people they
00:44:50.680
knew and they ignored it. Right. No, no, I get you. And you, you know, Brian, here's, you know,
00:44:56.760
another angle that, you know, when I was getting ready for the show, we were talking about,
00:45:01.880
isn't there some protocol? So like the thing that kind of, uh, caught me by a little surprise and
00:45:08.280
listening to a couple of shows you had done previously, I'm thinking, okay, Brian's going to tell me
00:45:13.000
that as soon as this happened, the military went into action and people were deployed into these
00:45:18.360
strategic locations because there was emergency protocol. They called for like, there has to be
00:45:24.280
a pandemic protocol, but I mean, and let me finish cause then I'll come back to it for a minute because
00:45:29.880
when we dug into it on a previous show, you know, when we went and looked at, uh, arrive, uh, the arrive
00:45:37.240
scan scam and, and everything going on, we really found out quite frankly, there
00:45:42.760
wasn't really an office that had to do with a disaster or disasters in Canada. There was a
00:45:49.320
couple of people. So it was, uh, crazy underfunded. No one had really thought about it. So like what I
00:45:57.800
expected to kind of hear was you guys would, you know, so many of the military personnel would be
00:46:03.480
deployed to the major cities. The hospitals would get extra security and then everyone would be moving.
00:46:09.480
That's what I thought. And then when I started listening to your pockets, I'm thinking, wow,
00:46:13.800
you know, the gentleman you did one podcast with, he is in the military. You know, he's like, I work
00:46:19.000
from home and I, you know, I didn't even know why I get in the shot, but I never go out, you know,
00:46:23.560
and it was interesting. And I'm listening. I'm thinking, why, why isn't that like at that point,
00:46:27.960
you think people would have been moving because we don't know what it is at that point. Like we have
00:46:32.440
no idea what's coming down, you know, how bad it's going to be. So there, there had to be kind of an
00:46:37.480
emergency plan for a, you know, a playbook, you know, there, there's gotta be a playbook with
00:46:43.800
certain things happen in the country. You know, the reaction is, you know, A, B, C, and then, okay,
00:46:50.280
then we have to, you know, adapt. I get it. But, but there should be some basics. Is there not?
00:46:57.160
This does exist. So for, for the last 25, 30 years, there has been contingency planning in the
00:47:03.880
background from the, the D and D medical sort of contingency planning, emergency response team.
00:47:11.160
And these, these operational guidelines do absolutely exist. And then when everything
00:47:17.320
happened, we sort of refused to follow it and just went along with whatever the scariest headline was.
00:47:22.360
But there, the team, the team at sort of Valor Legal, who is nothing short of brilliant in the
00:47:30.840
level of due diligence that they've done through access to a tips and digging into like, why did we
00:47:36.280
do what we did? Didn't we have exactly what you just said? Didn't we have sort of planning in place
00:47:41.880
that we could have just followed? And we absolutely did have it. And from my sort of investigation of it,
00:47:47.960
it, it, it was somewhat reasonable in terms of how we were going to handle literally a flu pandemic
00:47:53.320
that we've been planning for. And we did, we didn't do almost any of it. So it was, it was,
00:47:58.200
it was like a flip a coin or, you know what I mean? What's the latest, if it bleeds, it leads headline
00:48:05.160
that we're going to sort of follow to create more hysteria. And then you find out if you do any kind of
00:48:10.520
digging that CJOC, so Canadian Joint Operations Command, which controls sort of the operational
00:48:16.520
elements of all of the Canadian military outside of CanSoftcom had a program in place in the
00:48:23.480
background to manipulate and psyop Canadians into believing the hysteria because they wanted to
00:48:31.160
create an obedient Canadian who would hear the headline, be afraid, and then do as they're told
00:48:37.400
and not question any authority. So this was quite literally happening from inside the military in
00:48:42.680
2020 and 2021, where they were experimenting with messaging programs to again, brainwash people into
00:48:51.640
just following instructions blindly. And as a trained sort of soldier and officer that goes against
00:48:58.680
everything that you learn coming up through the system of your, your battle training, like you,
00:49:05.320
yes. Okay. You, you follow orders, but you're also supposed to make sure they're lawful so that
00:49:12.120
you're not executing an unlawful order illegally or do something that's, you know what I mean? Just
00:49:18.200
super poor planning that makes no sense. So you should be able to think critically,
00:49:22.920
ask questions and give feedback. It doesn't mean you don't eventually do the thing you're told to do,
00:49:26.840
but maybe there's other ways to do it, or maybe there's other influences that need to be considered
00:49:32.200
from the outside about what's going to affect this operation. And they literally train some of the
00:49:37.560
best soldiers in the world that I've worked with, not putting myself in that category,
00:49:41.720
but other people that I've worked with that are just brilliant people, even in the intelligence
00:49:46.440
community, regardless of what I saw there, that threw all this out the window and just were like,
00:49:51.160
yep, we're going to do, you know what I mean? Plan A, because the quite literally the cover of the Toronto
00:49:56.760
star says that we're forecasting 70 million COVID deaths and that's what we're going to base our
00:50:02.280
modeling projections on too. And it was almost like the worst, and I was the most junior intelligence
00:50:08.680
analyst at the time. This is quite literally the worst reporting on reporting that exists. Like they
00:50:14.280
literally train you not to do this in intelligence. Don't just look at other people's reporting and then
00:50:18.920
send that up because you haven't really thought critically or given your own analysis of it.
00:50:22.840
And that's exactly what happened. And it's quite scary and went off on a bit of a diatribe there,
00:50:28.760
but to answer your question, there absolutely is contingency planning. There are policies,
00:50:34.040
operation planning already in place. And we did the exact opposite of that.
00:50:38.920
Yeah. No, no, it boggles your mind because quite frankly, that's what the military,
00:50:45.960
you know, that's what they're supposed to do. Quite frankly, they're supposed to, you know,
00:50:49.480
execute a plan given a environment or a situation. So when I was listening to it,
00:50:55.560
I was like, oh, wow, that's, again, another thing that surprised me. The medical care surprised me,
00:51:01.400
the healthcare surprised me. And when we dug into it, I started listening to the stuff you had done
00:51:05.720
previously. I'm like, wow, they all just sat around. They were doing what I was doing
00:51:10.840
at the beginning. Now, I kind of, you know, I got busy doing other things, quite frankly, because
00:51:16.280
I was going nuts sitting at home. So I kind of retooled, you know, my businesses and did
00:51:22.440
everything like that, you know, because I'm handy and I do construction. But quite frankly, I was able
00:51:28.280
to keep my sanity throughout it, you know, after figuring all that out. So, you know, I just wanted
00:51:37.480
to dig back into a couple of things because, you know, we talked about the doctors and it's very
00:51:41.960
interesting. You brought up a point earlier, you know, about, I think it was a relative of yours,
00:51:47.080
a brother-in-law or whoever is a doctor, you know, and we did this at the other show. But,
00:51:55.240
you know, a couple of points, you can go in the military, you can get your education and you can
00:52:01.000
come out with no debt. He came out with 200,000. And, you know, I'm tying these together from the
00:52:05.960
beginning of this show. So you look at this, you know, this crazy story that's come out this week,
00:52:11.640
and everyone's kind of quiet about it in Ontario right now. They're like, you know, you know, the
00:52:15.960
OHIP overbilling because, you know, doctors are kind of the sacred cow. You don't want to really say
00:52:21.080
much because, you know, we all want to believe our doctors are doing the right thing.
00:52:25.800
So we can't afford to lose them because we have so few. Yeah, well, yeah, we have. Well, and quite
00:52:32.920
frankly, you know, we're giving them a tough time. So they come out, they go to school, they come out
00:52:39.320
with a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt. And, you know, they don't go into the military. So,
00:52:46.760
you know, and I've talked about this on a previous show on the Quebec show,
00:52:50.200
the banks love doctors. The banks absolutely eat them up, quite frankly. And when I mean the banks,
00:52:57.560
I mean, anyone who loans money, I don't want to pick on the banks, but anyone who loans money
00:53:02.760
loves a doctor because they look at them like an annuity. So I've had a couple of friends that are
00:53:07.960
doctors and they joke with me about it. But quite frankly, they can get any loan they want, literally,
00:53:15.000
for almost any amount that's, you know, if they take a $400,000 or $300,000 a year and they
00:53:25.720
take, you know, the value of it over 20 years, they can basically, so they can basically graduate
00:53:31.880
and move into a two, $3 million home. They can get a mortgage on it. They can join the golf club. They
00:53:37.640
can, you know, and then fortunately, you know, maybe they marry the wrong person and she's a spender.
1.00
00:53:43.320
And all of a sudden, next thing he knows, you know, he's got huge credit cards.
00:53:47.800
Then the next thing you know, he's billing 24 hours a day because he's trying to keep pace with that,
00:53:53.000
that lifestyle that he set up. So he's, it's gone more and more. And a lot of them don't make it,
00:53:58.440
quite frankly. A lot of them bankrupt out because of it, right? Because of the thinking behind it
00:54:05.960
and the easy access to capital. So here's the thing, Brian, here's a great thing that we can do.
00:54:12.040
Let's try, as we try to increase our military, let's try to actually create a program for people
00:54:19.480
who are going to commit to be military doctors and go out and tell, which if you look, have you ever
00:54:26.680
seen a advertising program by the Canadian military that talks about the fact that you can graduate with
00:54:35.160
no debt? Have you ever seen one that, that says be a doctor with the Canadian military?
00:54:41.400
I don't, I don't think, I don't think so. I just see advertisements for, you know what I mean?
00:54:45.560
Rainbow and blue hair military personnel that we like, whatever's the newest woke trend. But yeah,
00:54:53.160
No, but we could be doing it, right? Again, that's like, you know, like our last show we did.
00:54:57.640
And I find this bizarre because we, we do these shows and we kind of come to the same,
00:55:02.120
a little bit of the same point is you got a military, you got lots of spending going on people,
00:55:10.280
they want to increase the number of people. They don't have the infrastructure, but yet they don't
00:55:15.480
want to go out and advertise for doctors to be trained and join the military for medical personnel,
00:55:22.840
for people to come learn a trade for, for kids to graduate without debt. You know, we'd rather,
00:55:30.200
we'd rather figure out a way to get kids to go to school, come out with lots of debt and then move
00:55:37.080
back home and, and really ruin them, right? We were, we're ruining a whole generation of people that,
00:55:44.360
that basically we're late. You know, we think we're telling them to get educated them when they're
00:55:49.640
coming out. And quite frankly, they don't have a functional trade. They can't make enough money
00:55:54.360
to survive and they don't have any pension ability. Like when you were mentioning about the doctors
00:56:00.760
and pensions, you know, these poor guys, these poor guys are billing 24 hours a day.
00:56:06.440
They're probably stressed to the max, right? They're probably so levered out the wazoo that they
00:56:13.400
can't make it. So they're, they're trying to find a way. And the only way they can do it is keep
00:56:17.640
billing OHIP till it explodes. Right. So, you know, and, and, and, and that's what they're doing
00:56:23.800
quite frankly. It's very obvious. It's, I don't think, you know, we're not telling anything, saying
00:56:27.800
anything that people don't know. So, but, but wouldn't it be great to, to do that and then start that.
00:56:35.240
So when I go in, I have prioritized medical care, um, by a dedicated service team, kind of like they
00:56:44.280
did in Quebec, they created service teams in Quebec was a brilliant idea. They went, they created
00:56:51.000
medical service teams for people on a color coded basis based on their illness. So if like, for
00:56:58.440
example, if your illness was critical, you went into a medical team of people who specialized in
00:57:05.640
your illness, like that makes sense to me. And then you, you were given that treatment by that,
00:57:13.160
that medical team, by that group, that service provider team, and it wasn't just one person.
00:57:18.280
So you didn't have to wait two years to go into a hospital or to, but, you know, they're not talking
00:57:24.680
about any of these things. They're not having these conversations, but yet, you know, we, we want
00:57:29.320
to publish budgets and throw numbers out. It's a little frustrating at this point because there's
00:57:34.680
got to be a group of strategic thinkers. There's really some, you've alluded to it a couple of times
00:57:39.960
in the military. There's got to be some really strategic thinkers in the military, quite frankly,
00:57:45.560
some smart people who do a bunch of great stuff. Is there not an ability to create a plan or to
00:57:52.120
figure out a way to allocate these monies, to create these things?
00:57:56.920
There, there definitely is some of the people that I worked alongside in intelligence in any field,
00:58:02.920
but specifically intelligence. I couldn't believe I was in the same room as some of these people,
00:58:08.040
like their ability to digest information, analyze the information, report on the information,
00:58:15.960
give their predictions. You know what I mean? Intelligence gathering is basically finding a lot of
00:58:21.400
information and then trying to predict what's going to happen based on the patterns that you're seeing.
00:58:25.400
And the, the stuff that I was able to be exposed to and the people that I was able to be exposed
00:58:30.040
to, I couldn't believe that I, I breathe the same air as some of these people, because I was
00:58:34.680
like, I've joked before, like I'm licking the windows in this room compared to the, compared to how
00:58:39.320
smart and savvy some of these folks are. And it was, it was a real gift to be around them and learn from
00:58:44.440
them. And I'll never forget that. But there, there's the system itself is so bogged down with
00:58:51.560
the rest of the team or the rest of the policies and procedures that are so slow and so
00:58:59.080
useless that it, it brings everything to this. The, the chain is only as strong as its weakest link
00:59:03.880
kind of thing. And these people are just bound to, unfortunately, all this weakness and
00:59:08.680
diffusion of responsibility that nothing really ends up ever happening in time. Everything's a day
00:59:14.920
late and a dollar short, but to answer your question, these people are there and they actually
00:59:20.200
want to do good things. But I think it's a matter of time until they're not there anymore because
00:59:25.320
they're seeing opportunities elsewhere and they're just going to go where those are.
00:59:31.720
Digress a little bit, like having these conversations privately with these physicians,
00:59:35.960
civilians or military, the stuff they were saying to me, I couldn't believe it. Like
00:59:41.400
a military doctor that was a civilian in the military doing the job was listening and looking
00:59:48.440
at my file and following up. And I met with this person relatively consistently and she was listening
00:59:53.800
to everything that I was kind of saying. And she was like, well, why don't you speak publicly about
00:59:58.440
your own situation and others like you? I mean, you have quite a lot to say and you're
01:00:03.160
articulated in the way you say it. And I said, well, would you join me? You know what I mean?
01:00:07.400
Would you sort of be the lever that I can lean on to justify what I'm saying? Because I don't
01:00:14.360
have formal medical training. I just know what I've seen and what I've lived through.
01:00:17.720
And she said, no way. I cannot risk my pension for telling the truth, even though I agree with
01:00:24.200
everything that you're saying. There's just no way that I can do that. I've been here 20 plus years.
01:00:29.080
You know what I mean? I'm X number of years from not having to do this anymore. I've got kids and
01:00:33.320
grandkids and all this stuff. So these people are there. They want to do the things that you're
01:00:39.160
saying, but they're just handcuffed. And it was it was morale destroying. Like I was already on my way
01:00:46.360
out and I was and I was getting out, but it was just morale destroying. And the people that are there
01:00:51.720
know this, the sort of the people that are still in the military know a lot of these things. And I
01:00:56.280
guess that they get by by just compartmentalizing and putting it behind them to just sort of be able to
01:01:02.680
look forward and have any kind of pride or intrinsic motivation to continue doing their job. But
01:01:08.280
like I give I tend to give really long winded answers. But the short answer is these people do
01:01:15.320
exist. These policies do exist, but they're they're just not going to see the light of day with the
01:01:19.320
current leadership that we have. Yeah, it's interesting. You're talking about just reading
01:01:23.480
an article and it's coming up and, you know, we're going to do it on another show because it's becoming
01:01:27.560
more they're writing about it more and more. The fact that in March or whatever, how much money the
01:01:34.840
the military spends to basically just get rid of the budget they have. So and it's actually,
01:01:42.120
you know, they've been talking about it. I've seen it popping up again. You know, the government
01:01:47.000
general does that right by the end coming to the fiscal end of the year. They start to just spend
01:01:52.280
like a spending spree. And the last 60 days of the year is just like everything's being bought and
01:01:57.720
going out the door like mad people. But no, again, I kind of come to it's it boggles my mind.
01:02:06.520
And I know you're saying it's there. So and I get it like a strategic plan, an emergency plan,
01:02:13.960
like how in a in a in a occupation that has to be based on discipline, right? To be a great military,
01:02:24.360
you have to be disciplined, right? Because you have to have everyone moving. You have to be strategic.
01:02:29.800
You know, they they should be able to execute these programs. So as if they if they think they
01:02:35.880
need medical care, if they think they need housing, you know, the things we're talking about, they got
01:02:40.680
to be thinking how to connect those dots. And if they're not, then they can't be serious about getting
01:02:45.080
people because if you can't get adequate health care and you can't get out of adequate housing and you
01:02:51.240
can't get the people recruited, then, you know, you're just going to see that budget item sit
01:02:56.840
there and then disappear. And and quite frankly, right now in Canada, we if we're not going to use
01:03:03.960
that money, if we're going to allocate monies for things we're not going to use, that's the Brian,
01:03:09.080
that's that's the worst thing we could be doing because the only way we get out of the conundrum we're
01:03:13.880
in is that all programs we allocated money to in our budgets have to be functionally working and
01:03:20.600
execute it. Because, you know, we're getting to the point, you know, this week, I don't know if
01:03:25.160
you're reading, but, you know, it's funny, people are surprised that Algoma Steel is laying off a
01:03:32.600
thousand people. I'm like, how could you be surprised? Like, how can you be surprised when
01:03:38.760
you're seeing auto plants and you're seeing steel and lumber and all those things impacted? Well,
01:03:43.640
we're good. We're they're telling us they're going to fund them. Yeah, you're going to fund them.
01:03:48.200
But if they have no customers, you can fund them as much as you want. The guy can't use the money,
01:03:53.080
but I'm not selling anything. You know, because he he's got to, you know, you're going to fund them.
01:03:59.160
They can use that money to reduce the sales price for a while. But when that money runs out,
01:04:04.520
it goes back to a price that no one buys it at. So, you know, it just doesn't make sense. And
01:04:10.600
I hope, you know, and I appreciate you taking the time for the show.
01:04:13.800
So, you know, I hope as people listen to the show, I hope that they understand that
01:04:20.280
it's not any more about just getting a budget allocated to a line item.
01:04:25.000
It's that you're they really need to focus on making these things happen. So thanks again,
01:04:31.000
Brian. I appreciate you taking the time. Thanks. Thanks for having me. I'm super glad that there's
01:04:37.640
informed folks like you, you know, I mean raising these questions and having these conversations.
01:04:41.240
It's really important. So I appreciate it a lot as well. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And
01:04:46.040
for everyone, you know, stay tuned. We're going to get a show going. Brian's got a couple more shows
01:04:50.440
over the next week with us. One is coming up on procurement. So stay tuned and subscribe. And