True Patriot Love - Canada’s Military Healthcare Crisis Exposed

00:00:00.000 Today on True Patriot Love, Under the Pillar, Military Healthcare, we're going to have Brian

00:00:05.000 Isted, and Brian's going to tell us a shameful story. We send our military members abroad,

00:00:11.440 we send them into harm's way, they get hurt, they get injured, and when they come back,

00:00:16.700 we put them right into our terrible healthcare system. We know our healthcare system's broken,

00:00:23.400 we've talked about it on many shows, we know the mess. We don't even give our military personnel

00:00:28.980 priority. We bring them back. We found out we don't have military hospitals or facilities for

00:00:36.320 these individuals. We don't have specialists for them. They don't have priority. And when they go

00:00:42.940 to get trained up, they have to enter the same educational system to become doctors and nurses

00:00:48.860 as the rest of our civilians. What is going on? How do we not identify this as a critical factor?

00:00:56.360 If we're going to build the military, and we're going to make it a force,

00:01:00.480 we need to make things like healthcare, housing, recruitment, a priority.

00:01:11.920 Today on True Patriot Love Media, Under the Pillar Healthcare, I'm happy to welcome back Brian

00:01:18.740 to talk about also military. So welcome back, Brian.

00:01:24.060 Thank you. Thank you for having me.

00:01:26.820 So, you know, getting ready for the show, because I talked to Brian, we did a great show a few weeks

00:01:33.140 ago on housing and recruitment in the military. So I said, Jim, we got to get together, do another

00:01:39.560 show. And I was getting ready for the show. And the show's basically on healthcare and the military.

00:01:44.480 Getting ready for the show. And a story broke. And there's a number of stories on healthcare across

00:01:51.160 Canada right now. A story originally broke a few weeks ago on Quebec. And we did an awesome show

00:01:56.640 where we went through the dispute between doctors and the government. And we looked at the government's

00:02:06.280 point of view on healthcare. And we found out it was fairly reasonable. And the doctors were

00:02:11.940 complaining that they had to go to a performance schedule. So we took a look at it. We came back

00:02:17.300 and said, no, there's some things they could tweak in the formula they were giving the doctors. But I

00:02:21.740 think it was all in all, I think they had a fairly reasonable concept. Two million Quebecers didn't

00:02:27.840 have healthcare, didn't have a doctor. We could see where people were struggling. And we said that,

00:02:34.020 you know, the government had done a good job at creating group services to create healthcare

00:02:39.080 healthcare for everyone. And when we did the math, we found out that there were roughly one doctor for

00:02:46.300 every 369 people in Quebec. And the doctors were complaining they were overworked. So we couldn't,

00:02:53.940 the math didn't work. So we left that meet, we left that podcast. And we were all sitting around and

00:02:59.820 we started thinking to ourselves, we need to do another show because the math in the show didn't work.

00:03:06.800 So when we calculated all the calculations, we went through the numbers that the doctors and

00:03:11.780 the Quebec government were throwing. We're like, there's got to be something weird here. There's

00:03:16.620 got to be some fraud. There's got to be some collusion, some craziness going on. So just as we're

00:03:23.780 doing this, getting ready for another show, the Ontario OHIP story breaks out. And I was telling

00:03:29.900 Brian before the show. So they found out that they had 59 doctors who were billing 24 hours a day

00:03:39.280 for over 90 days in a year. They had one doctor who is billing 114 hours in one day.

00:03:49.140 So, and they had one ophthalmologist who billed 6.7 million in 2023 and 24. 6.7 million dollars.

00:04:02.620 So, and it was double the next highest billing for the next, like the next ophthalmologist was

00:04:10.240 50% lower. So anyways, you know, these are just stories. And then basically we had to write off

00:04:20.000 1.4 billion in PPE that we had bought that's still dated now. So we had to get rid of a billion dollars

00:04:29.460 in PPE supplies. So those are some of the things the Auto General found. So then I said before the

00:04:37.440 show, I said, you know, I got to ask Brian, what is the healthcare like in the military? And so

00:04:42.860 we started digging into it. We're doing, we're doing some research and I'm like,

00:04:46.900 and I'm glad we haven't been on today. Cause I had no idea of any of this. I am totally ignorant

00:04:53.480 and I can't believe this because I have lived in the U S I've lived in Canada. I'm from Canada. 0.96

00:04:57.760 And I thought for sure, I would find medical schools and medical doctors and I would find

00:05:04.240 military hospitals. I'd find a treatment for, you know, all kinds of ailments, physical and mental

00:05:12.160 inside the military. I couldn't find them, Brian. And what am I missing? Well, you can't find them

00:05:20.860 because they don't exist. There, there are no military hospitals in Canada. There are no veteran

00:05:26.640 hospitals in Canada. We are subject to, so if you have a, if you have a minor injury, you get a,

00:05:35.300 you get a scrape, you get a cut maybe even a fracture, minor fracture, you'll go to the base

00:05:41.440 hospital, the, the MIR it's called. I can't remember what that stands for, but it's the,

00:05:46.700 it's sort of the base triage facility that can sort of give you baseline medical care. But if you,

00:05:52.820 if you have any real injury that requires sort of immediate surgical intervention,

00:05:57.180 kind of equivalent of maybe a rule three would be called in, in military terms, like I've seen

00:06:02.820 operationally overseas, you are, you you're taken off the base and you're taken to the nearest civilian 0.99

00:06:08.080 hospital, because that's the only place that has the infrastructure, the specialists, surgeons,

00:06:13.260 orthopedists, or whoever you need to see that to identify and properly treat that injury. So

00:06:20.460 for example, in Ottawa, where I was posted for six or seven years, they have a hospital that's for

00:06:28.900 military personnel, but it's attached to the civilian hospital. So that it's not a dedicated military

00:06:36.480 building, but it has a military access point with controlled access through your key card

00:06:41.840 that will allow you to get in to see the military doctors, some of whom are civilians who work for D&D,

00:06:48.220 and some of our military trained military soldiers. One of the physicians I saw was previously a pilot

00:06:55.160 in a, in a previous life kind of career, prior training, and then moved over into the medical space

00:07:01.420 and has since become a GP that I was seeing and having many, many conversations with them, the nurses,

00:07:09.140 the admin folks that are, were brave enough or honest enough to speak candidly with me about a lot of

00:07:18.060 the things that I was dealing with, other people were dealing with. It's, there's a tremendous amount

00:07:22.620 of overworking and overburden that these people are stretched very thin. And the level of service is

00:07:30.080 declining exponentially because of this, like they're, they're, it's a treating people out because

00:07:35.820 they, they're, there's not enough people to keep up with the workload that they're given. And they're

00:07:40.200 seeing so many patients all day, every day that they just are, I think kind of starting to throw their

00:07:45.200 hands up and saying like, this is too much. We can't really do this. And most of the people that I

00:07:50.760 interacted with in the medical community professionally, while I was at D&D, were, were well-meaning,

00:07:56.600 well-intentioned people that were sort of handcuffed by the bureaucracy of policies or mandates or

00:08:04.600 whatever, but there, there's just not enough to go around. And it's another, and again, like awesome

00:08:12.280 conversation we had a week or so ago, and then immediately following articles echoing exactly what

00:08:17.440 we were talking about. There's not enough, there's, people are leaving the military because they can't

00:08:22.540 get access to care fast enough. If you want to get a CT scan, an MRI, like you you're pushed

00:08:29.380 immediately into the civilian system where you're waiting months and months. I've been waiting two

00:08:34.820 years to see a spine specialist in Ontario. So fingers crossed, you know what I mean? Any day now

00:08:41.600 I'm going to be able to take one on. And when the referrals go out, everyone comes back and says,

00:08:46.080 I can't take another patient. I don't have expertise in this area, et cetera, et cetera. So

00:08:50.400 there there's, everyone is spread so thin and there's no, there's no money to go around and,

00:08:56.520 and no infrastructure even to put them in, in the first place. So it's just, it's like a, it's just

00:09:00.440 this hemorrhaging inferno of issues that saw someone just to address pretty quickly.

00:09:05.920 Well, yeah, I get it, but you know, it's interesting. We're, we're talking about this

00:09:11.280 massive allocation of funds in the 2025 budget to increase military, like just like housing,

00:09:17.860 like we talked about, but yet we don't have allocated healthcare. And, uh, I did, uh, I don't

00:09:24.600 know, it's more than a year, say it's almost a year and a half. I, I basically lived in Annapolis,

00:09:30.400 Maryland for a year and a half home of the Naval Academy. And so I, I was on and off

00:09:35.860 the base all the time because there's tours and I, I made friends down there. So, uh, and

00:09:42.060 it was amazing. The facilities at the Academy, um, and also, uh, basically the medical services,

00:09:50.680 the support services, all the things that the community provided, uh, there. And I thought,

00:09:57.360 I didn't even really think twice about it. I thought for sure there would be, you know, a facility,

00:10:04.620 let's say, and maybe not for operating, but I did, you know, I guess, naively think that

00:10:09.560 in Canada, we'd have one on the West coast, one centrally, one on the East coast and one

00:10:14.500 in Quebec. I just assumed, you know, dumb me, but I basically assumed that we would, we would

00:10:22.000 basically buy a building, you know, or take an old government building, create it and provide

00:10:27.420 healthcare for the people in the, in the armed forces and, and, and take care of them when

00:10:32.440 they were on service and, and when they finished, finished up and they retired. Uh, but I couldn't

00:10:40.100 believe I'm wrong. So here's the thing that kind of grabbed me. You know, I started off

00:10:46.440 the show just talking kind of, it's a mess. Like, you know, the more we dig into healthcare

00:10:51.200 as a, as a subject, you know, it's, it's just a mess in every province, whether it's

00:10:56.440 overbilling, whether it's poor performance, whether it's, you know, no one showing up,

00:11:02.320 whether it's not coordinated very well, it's a mess. So we, we're now thinking of increasing

00:11:08.180 our military and using our health services, uh, outside of the military to service the increase

00:11:15.300 in people like that. It just doesn't seem rational. And if I was thinking of a project right now,

00:11:21.100 wouldn't it be to set up an internal health services, uh, network inside of the armed forces?

00:11:30.080 Yeah, that's, uh, the, the pro I just want to back up 15 seconds when you said it's not rational. And

00:11:36.540 the, the problem that you're experiencing, uh, internally is that you're using ration and logic

00:11:42.440 to determine the way ahead. And I don't think anybody in any position of authority is doing that.

00:11:47.260 Um, yeah, it makes, it makes total sense. Like let's bring in more people

00:11:51.700 that I said that want to be here that are there for the right reasons that'll stick around and then

00:11:56.300 build the infrastructure to support those people, whether it's, you know what I mean? The daycare

00:12:00.480 facilities, uh, the healthcare, uh, perfect example is the U S bases that you said you were living near

00:12:07.500 or on. If you go to a U S base and I spent a reasonable amount of time in the U S training among

00:12:11.960 Marines and our, and army folks, and their bases are gigantic, absolute gigantic with, uh, human,

00:12:20.820 whole small cities built inside of them to accommodate. And, and the U S military has its

00:12:25.360 own problems and I'm not gonna pretend like they have all the answers, but no, you can go into these

00:12:30.440 fully equipped, fully functional, legit hospital infrastructure support to get your MRI, your,

00:12:38.700 your screening, your, your this done, your that done, all that stuff can be done in house.

00:12:43.220 And we just don't have anything like that. Everything has to be farmed out. So you, you just

00:12:47.960 go to the back of the line with everybody else, uh, and you wait your turn. And, uh, it's just,

00:12:52.900 it's really a source of stress and strain on the people that are already dealing with all the other

00:12:58.600 issues that we addressed. Um, and we don't have anywhere near the support or the investment of the

00:13:05.320 Americans. And I'm, and obviously we don't need it. They have 10 X 20 X our, our amount of people, 1.00

00:13:11.080 but there should be at least some, a plan in place to try to keep up with the demand that we have. And

00:13:17.040 I just don't see it. Like I just did a quick search on Grok right before this interview. And we,

00:13:23.540 in the last 10 years, we've spent $19 billion on DEI and gender-based initiatives in, in just 10 years.

00:13:32.040 So imagine how many hospitals and doctors we could have trained for $19 billion. And the vast

00:13:37.880 majority of that money was sent outside of the country for sort of foreign relations. Um,

00:13:44.520 whatever you want to call that, just like who knows where that money went, I can guarantee it didn't

00:13:48.120 end up for in diversity training. Any of it did, that's still a waste of money, but yeah, we just,

00:13:53.000 we don't have anything in place to take care of our people. And it's another, it's, it's yet another

00:13:58.120 reason for the attrition that people are, are experiencing. Well, and, and here's the crazy

00:14:02.600 thing, Brian, you know, you're talking about a personal situation, you know, health-wise

00:14:07.720 two years, you should have priority like past and present, uh, military personnel should have medical

00:14:15.880 priority. That should just be the way it is. Right. Number one, you know, the people that are

00:14:21.560 currently serving, we have to get them healthy and back in play. So that should be something that is

00:14:26.920 prioritized. So that should be its own. You know, if we're going to, if we're going to co-mingle health

00:14:32.280 services, we should have priority-based services and allocated services that, that makes no sense

00:14:37.640 not to have it. Someone's not thinking like the fact that the fact that you have to drop off into

00:14:42.920 our crazy pond of healthcare and try to navigate your way through there's, there should be someone

00:14:49.480 that actually is coordinating that for you. And that, that I find that bizarre. I just think that's,

00:14:55.160 that's craziness. Hey, I wanted to talk about, I wanted to talk about doctors because this was

00:15:00.040 an interesting one and I didn't even know this. I thought, and this is, again, haven't spent any

00:15:05.880 time on it. So I dug into it a little with the team. I thought, okay, they have their own dedicated

00:15:11.240 doctors. Those doctors, you know, go and they go to, you know, uh, military college. Uh, they get trained

00:15:21.080 up, um, they get trained up in a specialty of, uh, field and, and, uh, triage and they would be, uh,

00:15:29.720 allocated. Uh, they would do, you know, five to seven years of service, and then they could go and

00:15:37.080 leave kind of like, uh, they do down at some of the academies in the States where you have to stay for so

00:15:43.320 many years after and they'll pay for your medical. Then I found out when we jumped into it, the, no,

00:15:50.440 you apply to a, uh, you apply to go to medical school, you go to the medical school, you apply

00:15:58.040 to the military and you get subsidized. So like, how hard is that? Like what a hurdle think about that

00:16:06.600 hurdle. And I know, cause I have, I have sons and they've looked at it, you know, just getting into

00:16:12.200 medical school now is a gargantuan task. Like just, you know, cause it's so competitive and the marks

00:16:18.840 that people need to get and, and, and the people that do it right now have to be super competitive.

00:16:24.600 If you don't have money, so then, you know, you're, you're pretty much doing it because you want

00:16:28.920 funding. I assume that's one of the main reasons that you do it, uh, because you know, you need to

00:16:35.000 pay your bills. So you, you join the military, you get it. We haven't developed a program that

00:16:41.880 specifically is for military doctors. So we make them go through the process of being a doctor

00:16:48.360 and then hope that they'll divert, uh, to the military. And you brought up one reason

00:16:55.240 I didn't think about, which I'm not going to let you talk to why they would join the military.

00:17:01.400 Um, but I was shocked. I was, I was absolutely shocked that nurses and doctors aren't trained 0.91

00:17:08.840 inside separately, the military for their profession.

00:17:14.680 Nurses. I'm not a hundred percent sure. I know that, uh, I think there is something for them. I

00:17:19.960 can't, I can't speak to that. I, I, I'll look that up and get back to you. And I hope that people

00:17:25.160 watching, um, if, if they're unsure, they go and, and, and find out. Cause I, I don't want to,

00:17:29.560 you know what I mean? Give bad information, but in terms of the doctors,

00:17:33.000 they're like, it's so competitive to get into these, uh, if you're, if you're doing it as a,

00:17:39.240 let's say you're an infantry officer, like how I joined in the reserve, but like, like, let's say

00:17:43.240 you're 18 years old and you're going to go into college or university and you want to be an infantry

00:17:47.640 officer. You can do what I think it's called ROTP, the regular officer training program or something

00:17:53.320 like that. So you go to a civilian university and then you do your course training in the,

00:17:59.160 in the summer, but you graduate with sort of, and you get paid to go to school.

00:18:02.760 So you graduate with, uh, employment, obviously in your field because you're,

00:18:08.440 you've got your degree and now you immediately join and you, uh, hopefully you sort of hit the

00:18:12.360 ground running. You become a platoon commander very likely, or, or, or something equivalent to

00:18:17.080 that in your first years of training. Um, but there's a lot of incentive because you

00:18:20.600 graduate with no debt, you get paid to go and you're immediately employed in your field.

00:18:24.920 So those are huge bonuses for a young person. Um, especially if I could relate it to myself when

00:18:31.160 I came out of university and, and, and sort of now retroactively started going through the, uh,

00:18:38.280 recruitment and application process that I told you about last time and how much of a treat that was.

00:18:42.680 So like these incentives do exist, but for the doctors, they're so competitive and there's so few

00:18:49.080 positions that, uh, it's just, we're not able to supply the machine. It looks like with what it

00:18:56.360 actually needs because we don't really have, again, the infrastructure or funding or professional

00:19:01.400 training to support the amount of people that we actually need. And without any, without any

00:19:07.240 dedicated facilities to pushing through, you know what I mean? These well-trained professionals,

00:19:12.440 they have to go through the civilian system. And speaking with many of them, again, candidly,

00:19:17.880 like I, I, I, I basically went to medical appointments almost full time for about two

00:19:22.280 years, trying to figure out and diagnose all the problems that I've been experiencing

00:19:26.760 post vaccination, which is huge coincidence, right? I'm not going to say anything. I'm not

00:19:31.800 going to dive into that just yet, but coincidentally, I started having, I started having just a cascade

00:19:36.440 of health problems. And as I was talking to the physicians, like they're, they're just exhausted.

00:19:41.000 These people are one after another, just going, uh, one patient, next patient, next, and writing

00:19:48.120 prescription for this. And I was put on a litany of everything, anti-inflammatory, anti-depressant,

00:19:55.400 like they were just prescribing me one thing after another to try to get me in and out as quick as

00:20:00.120 possible. And when I actually got the time to sit down and discuss what was really going on in the

00:20:05.960 questions that I had, most of them are sort of on the brink of sort of a nervous breakdown,

00:20:12.600 it seems. And they're putting on this brave face to see their, to see their patients because they,

00:20:16.840 they have to, and, and they don't have a choice. But

00:20:22.440 I just think that we, we need more of these people. Um, and, and a major reason that they stick

00:20:29.640 around given the fact that their working conditions and patient volume is so severe is like the

00:20:36.040 pensions and they are a government employee now with a really good pension based on their,

00:20:41.560 I don't know, 150, 200 K plus salary that they're making as a doctor, a specialist in their field.

00:20:46.680 Um, and they were, they're kind of handcuffed to it and really nowhere to go. So I, I understand

00:20:54.200 where they're coming from in a lot of ways. Um, but we just, we just don't support them. We don't

00:20:58.600 recruit them. We don't really pay them. And it's obvious as we're seeing now kind of with the brain

00:21:04.040 drain, that's always existed to the U S or other countries. I think it's about to get more severe.

00:21:08.920 Um, and yeah, these problems are going to continue to cascade.

00:21:13.640 Yeah. You know, and we let them, that's the, that's the frustrating thing because,

00:21:18.760 you know, we go and we put a budget together and again, I, you know, uh, as I said in many times

00:21:24.680 during the budget analysis, I think we have to spend our way out of our problems right now.

00:21:29.320 Strategic, uh, strategic programs and projects that have a return on investment to Canada.

00:21:37.000 Military spending, I think is great. I think it has to be, uh, creating new skill sets in the community.

00:21:43.800 So this one, quite frankly, this one is to me is a no brainer. So if I'm going to do healthcare in

00:21:49.400 the military, I'm going to go and I'm going to find, uh, buildings that I can accommodate.

00:21:55.000 Like I said, in the East coast, West coast, central Quebec, I'm going to find a building.

00:21:59.960 I'm going to basically set it up and then I'm going to start training, uh, healthcare professionals

00:22:06.280 for the military as I, I'm expanding the number of people entering. So as I'm recruiting more,

00:22:11.720 so as this crazy recruiting issue we talked about last time goes away and we start to bring more

00:22:17.480 people on board, which is what they're saying they want to do, then I'd have to create a healthcare.

00:22:21.720 If I'm serious about this, I'd have to do it. Now to me, now this becomes great because now

00:22:27.080 if I want more doctors, then quite frankly, I'd have to figure out how to

00:22:33.560 co-partnership with one of the, uh, schools that does, um, training for doctors, medical schools,

00:22:39.960 universities, you know, colleges for some, uh, healthcare providers. And then I'd have to figure

00:22:46.360 out a way to set up a separate arm that they could actually go and get trained up. And I think that's

00:22:52.360 terrific. And I think your point, Brian, you know, and I want to go back to, because I think we have

00:22:57.320 to focus on it in Canada more and more, no debt. Like we don't need to put these kids into more schools

00:23:06.600 to amass massive amount of debts to come out without employment. We don't, right? Like we need, we need to

00:23:14.440 get focused with what we're doing with young people right now. And if it's going to the military,

00:23:19.000 honestly, now you're telling me, I wish I would have thought about it when I was going to school.

00:23:23.640 Cause quite frankly, I worked a full-time job, you know, I hustled around to go to university.

00:23:32.840 Uh, that's kind of how I graduated. It probably would have been better and more fun for me if I

00:23:38.040 would actually, you know, join the military, went to school and then part-time, you know, like you said,

00:23:43.960 I got paid to go to school so I could have enjoyed school. Cause I didn't enjoy school.

00:23:49.320 I'll be truthful with it. I, I didn't, I went to, I went to U of T. I hated it. It was terrible.

00:23:54.680 I worked 40 to 50 hours a week full-time. Uh, I studied when I could, uh, I got accepted into the

00:24:01.800 BCOM program. I, uh, which was great. Uh, and I, I graduated, but you know, I think this would be

00:24:09.160 terrific. I think it'd be great for doctors because right now, right now expecting doctors to compete

00:24:16.280 and then go to the military. I think it's almost, you're, you're asking for a tall order. So I think

00:24:22.600 you should allocate so many positions to people, uh, who want to become doctors, who will commit to the

00:24:31.400 military for what do you think, Brian, five years, 10 years? Yeah. I, I haven't done a deep dive into

00:24:39.560 the sort of ones and zeros of what would make that work, but yeah, five years seems reasonable. I grad,

00:24:46.840 my brother-in-law is a doctor and he graduated with a couple hundred thousand dollars debt

00:24:52.600 for, from medical school. And it just, it was such a burden on him sort of psychologically as now he's in

00:24:57.880 is by the time you finish your undergrad, uh, you know what I mean? Medical school, residency,

00:25:04.280 all that stuff. Like you're, you're 30 plus years old by the time this stuff is all done.

00:25:08.760 And now you're just starting to repay a quarter million or whatever it is dollars debt. Like

00:25:13.800 this thing should be subsidized across the board for both civilians and military physicians. But I,

00:25:20.600 I agree with what you're saying a hundred percent. We should be incentivizing in a huge way,

00:25:24.600 maybe give the folks who are willing to join the military a salary bump. You know what I mean?

00:25:28.840 Let's give them, uh, some kind of discount on housing. Like you, you pay no tax on your

00:25:35.960 house or whatever. If you live within X distance from the base, whatever, I, I haven't really,

00:25:40.520 you know what I mean? Again, done a surgical examination of, of how to make this work, but these

00:25:44.920 are relatively simple solutions that I think would solve complex problems if they could be applied at

00:25:50.680 scale. And, uh, yeah, I think you're, I think once again, you're, you're just kind of hitting the nail

00:25:55.000 on the head here and where we need to go and the fact that we're not doing it and we're burning these

00:25:59.480 people out at an exponential rate, not to mention the, uh, I don't want to harp on this the whole time,

00:26:05.160 but they burned a lot of bridges in the medical community with the COVID related policies and the

00:26:10.840 COVID era stuff I've spoken to personally, like this must exist in an even bigger scale, but personally,

00:26:17.720 I can speak to at least three case managers that I've nurses that I've dealt with that told me that

00:26:24.120 they either had horrific sort of side effects themselves personally, physically, or, uh, one

00:26:31.240 individual I spoke to that confided in me and like names obviously don't matter. I'm not going to burn

00:26:35.880 this person, but they went to get a, uh, their second COVID shot, uh, in the, in the lineup and sit

00:26:42.920 there in the tent and get your shot and then wait for 15 minutes. And in that 15 minute wait,

00:26:47.240 the individual beside him fell over and had a seizure. You know what I mean? Like within,

00:26:53.400 within minutes of having, so when I reached, when my file reached his desk and he was saying, okay,

00:26:58.600 well, I'm, I empathize with your situation and all the stuff you're going through because I've

00:27:02.440 kind of seen how it goes and I'm not taking anything ever again that they give us because

00:27:06.760 how do I trust anything now? Like this is coming from a medical professional

00:27:11.000 in the medical field of the military. So if these people are asking questions and they have their

00:27:16.760 doubts and they've seen the implications and the side effects firsthand, like that,

00:27:21.720 that's not going to be, they're not going to be a great ambassador of the brand. You know what I

00:27:25.240 mean? Moving forward to say, Hey, have you thought of this or like, they're going to be saying,

00:27:29.880 don't come here. You know what I mean? They're, they're going to be, they're, they're going to be

00:27:33.800 waving people away saying, go to a good school, move to, you know what I mean? Texas pay less tax

00:27:39.480 and become a plastic or whatever. You know what I mean? These, they're just, these people are like

00:27:44.360 by and large broken and overworked and the COVID stuff, I think put them over the edge.

00:27:50.040 Well, you know, and I want to talk about that a little because you know, COVID to me is kind

00:27:53.480 of symptomatic, right? So if you look at it, you can apply that to, you know, being in the military,

00:27:59.320 you're in a high risk job, right? You guys like, you know, you, you ship out Iraq, you know, you go

00:28:06.360 wherever you're going, right? So you ship out, you're in a high risk environment, you go somewhere,

00:28:11.240 you know, number one, you don't know where you're going to land. You don't know what weapons are being

00:28:16.360 used against you and what environment you're in and what bugs you're going to pick up, right?

00:28:21.320 Because you're, you're landing and you're moving in kind of hostile territory, not in great,

00:28:25.880 like, you know, you can tell us some stories, but you're, you're further, you know, the most part,

00:28:31.880 you're, you're either securing a base or you're, you know, you're moving forward to do

00:28:41.160 investigations of areas and, you know, reconnaissance. So you're kind of in a new place,

00:28:47.880 new bugs, new agents. So the chances of you coming back with something are fairly high. Like,

00:28:54.760 if you think about it, like, and it doesn't have to be life altering, but it's, it's just the fact

00:28:59.880 that if anyone's traveled a lot, you go on vacation to some of these, whether it be a tropical iron,

00:29:05.480 whether it be South America, you're going to pick up new bugs and new strains of anything, right?

00:29:11.160 So your guys are doing that all the time. So you come back and you, you decide you're done your

00:29:17.480 service, you, you drop out, you find you've, you have something you, so you have to drop it back

00:29:23.800 into the regular healthcare system. That makes no sense to me. Cause I, that can't be, and

00:29:32.280 some of the details, I don't know, but do you guys get supplemented healthcare, like any compensation

00:29:38.360 for that, Brian? Like, is there any, like, when you drop, when, when you retire or whether you leave,

00:29:44.840 are your benefits, like, is it like, are you still covered under your, you know, drug program? Or is,

00:29:52.120 is there, or is there still things that you guys get is by being ex-military members?

00:29:57.880 So I can speak to the medical release or three B or three Bravo that I received. Uh, I don't know all

00:30:04.840 the ins and outs of how it works. If you just do 10 years or your regular release, and then you get

00:30:11.160 out, but there are absolutely, um, programs that take care of and provide insurance coverage for

00:30:19.480 international travel, um, prescriptions, things, uh, sort of periphery medicine that you would kind of

00:30:26.280 consider physiotherapy, massage therapy, things that a lot of guys have bad backs, bad knees,

00:30:31.320 bad feet. Like these, these things are, and this is an area again, I've, I've, I think I've,

00:30:37.480 I think I've, uh, chirped the military quite a bit in, in many of the pods that I've done, but I do,

00:30:41.960 I do want to recognize that they, they have done a pretty good job of enabling me personally,

00:30:48.680 the resources that I needed to get again, the physio, the prescriptions, all those things are,

00:30:53.720 most of that stuff is covered. The process for claiming them can be a little arduous and redundant.

00:31:02.280 You know what I mean? Like dealing with blue cross for instance, and having to get receipts covered for 1.00

00:31:06.920 treatments or whatever can sometimes take two or three attempts just because it's an insurance

00:31:10.680 company. And I think their agenda is to not pay you. I think that's every insurance company ever,

00:31:15.160 but they do, to answer your question, they absolutely do provide that for you depending on your

00:31:21.240 release structure or pathway that you got out. And if you medically released, like I kind of had to,

00:31:27.320 that stuff is provided for you sort of in perpetuity. So I do have a reasonably good

00:31:34.040 level of coverage for certain things. I, for the first time, actually a few weeks ago, I build a

00:31:39.800 prescription because I did pick up a stomach bug and I had to get a specific kind of drug that wasn't

00:31:45.560 covered. So that was the first time that I had submitted something. And they said, oh, by the way,

00:31:48.680 like this $25 medication is not covered, whatever, not a big deal. I'll eat that. But it, it does exist.

00:31:55.400 It is there. They have done a reasonably good job of that, but to be able to navigate the,

00:32:01.560 the release process to get a medical release, like I did, it is not easy on its own. So like,

00:32:06.920 I represent kind of a very small number of people that sort of have been quote unquote, effectively

00:32:13.560 covered once I left. But I, I, like I said, I still have to plug back into the civilian system

00:32:18.840 and wait in line, like everybody else, when something sort of acute does come up and I need

00:32:23.080 a specialist or whatever. So it's, they do some things well, but there's definitely room for

00:32:27.560 improvement. Well, you know, it's interesting because you talked about COVID for a minute and,

00:32:31.880 you know, because I had watched some of your past podcasts, I kind of delved into, you know,

00:32:37.880 what would be the coverage if I was permanently impacted by my COVID vaccine in Canada? So I was

00:32:44.360 curious and I, so I looked at it and I don't, you know, you dig into it and there is a claim system

00:32:50.520 under a company called Xera. And it basically is a Grant Thornton company, but it hasn't paid out a lot.

00:32:57.720 So quite frankly, there's been claims they've, they've, the government has allocated for COVID claimants

00:33:03.640 who have side effects roughly, I think it's 75 million over five years. They did. And now they've

00:33:09.320 added 36 more million. So about 111 million, they've put aside claims from what we can tell,

00:33:16.040 it's hard to figure out because this Xera company seems to be mostly AI driven. So, you know, you

00:33:22.840 don't ever get to speak to a person. So from what we can figure out, it basically, it reports about 11

00:33:31.080 million in claims paid out. So it's really not a lot. And then we said, okay, let's take a look at

00:33:37.160 the U S you know, cause we're kind of curious to see kind of what the difference is between claimants

00:33:42.840 and the U S has the same kind of issue with claimants on COVID. They have a big program set up,

00:33:51.320 but they haven't paid out a lot. So they've had about 13,000 people apply. They've paid only 67 people.

00:33:59.640 And each of those people, they've paid $4,000. So really peanuts. But the funny thing about in the

00:34:06.600 U S they have another program, which I think you can also apply. They've paid $5.2 billion for vaccine

00:34:16.040 side effects since 1985 to people 5.2 billion, which is a crazy amount. So I think they co-mingle the two

00:34:25.000 programs together, but yeah, it's interesting, you know, how I was wondering, cause I remember during

00:34:31.240 COVID all these new laws being passed that basically no one was liable for anything. Remember when

00:34:38.360 all the governments were all passing all this legislation, you know, making all the vaccine

00:34:43.480 companies, uh, you know, not liable because they couldn't do the appropriate amount of testing and

00:34:50.280 all that was going on. Well, it was, it was so safe and effective that they didn't need to

00:34:56.360 have any sort of contingency plan. You know what I mean? Um, which is the regurgitated garbage slogan

00:35:02.440 that everybody heard. Um, we, so the federal government did very sneakily roll out something. 0.76

00:35:07.640 I think it's called the VISP, the vaccine injury. Yeah. I'm, I'm failing on all these acronyms.

00:35:13.480 There's so many acronyms in my life. Um, so they did roll something out that has already lapsed.

00:35:19.720 So if you have not yet claimed your vaccine injury, I think it lapsed even as long as a year ago or more,

00:35:27.160 if you haven't yet claimed or provided sort of documentation of what's happened to you based

00:35:31.400 on your vaccine, you're not entitled to anything. So they rolled out this program with millions and

00:35:36.200 millions of dollars earmarked to protect and help people that had issues. And there was like a

00:35:40.680 handful of people in the entire country that received anything and what they did receive,

00:35:44.840 like you said, it was nothing and it was a joke. So this is still an ongoing effort for them to

00:35:51.880 just damage control and control the narrative of this thing was absolutely necessary. Um, even,

00:35:58.920 even before like I'm digressing here a little bit, but I think this matters even before the mandates

00:36:04.120 came into the military, there was a 90 plus percent uptake of the COVID vaccine for at least one of

00:36:11.560 the doses. Um, if not both, it was, it was extraordinarily high. Like you didn't need to

00:36:17.960 convince people more or less to go and get this. Everybody was kind of on board for the most part,

00:36:22.280 nine and 10 people were on board to come in and take this and move forward. And then they still issued

00:36:28.120 the mandates after that. And I think the lingering effect of that is contributing to this lack of

00:36:34.920 trust, this attrition, um, these, these, these senior officers that are, they're, they're not soldiers

00:36:41.400 anymore. They haven't been soldiers in a long time. They're politicians and they're just acting in the

00:36:45.560 best interest of the people that they serve, which for the last decade plus has been a heavily corrupt

00:36:51.240 liberal government. So whether you're Wayne air or the current CDS, uh, Carnic Kerrigan, um, they just,

00:37:00.040 they don't really care about actually initiating policies that make sense or following up on the

00:37:05.880 people that they did hurt. This is just a campaign of distract, deflect, delay. You know what I mean?

00:37:12.120 Anything until it gets so long that it's memory hold from the people who just move on to the next

00:37:16.760 manufactured crisis and, and people, this, this bleeds into the last podcast that we did. Like

00:37:22.520 this is yet another problem that people are facing when they want to join. Like they don't want to deal

00:37:27.240 with this. They don't want to be forced into taking something that they're still pushing. DND is still

00:37:33.720 pushing this vaccine on people before they deploy. It's no longer quote unquote mandatory, but there are,

00:37:40.680 I know personally people that are having career implications to this day because they're not taking

00:37:45.720 boosters. They're not taking, they never took the original shot or two shots. And this is having

00:37:51.160 lingering effects on them still. And all of these things bleed into one another of how many issues

00:37:56.680 exist from the top down where they could have, in my opinion, not easily, but simply come forward and

00:38:03.480 said, what we did was a, was a huge flinch over reaction. And now we're going to draw this back.

00:38:10.200 But again, this would leave liability on them for doing that. And they will, in my opinion,

00:38:14.680 they will never do this until a court forces their hand.

00:38:18.760 Wow. So they're still, so they're still trying to get people, you know, and oh yeah. Oh yeah.

00:38:24.760 That's interesting because you know, when you said that it didn't, you guys must have been used to

00:38:30.040 taking vaccines, right? Because as you're traveling abroad and you're doing, you know,

00:38:34.200 you're going to different places. Usually they do vaccinate people, you know, just in case they catch

00:38:39.320 different things. So I could get that. Probably at the beginning, one shot everyone was good for.

00:38:45.720 You know, we were the same way, you know, and not to go back and, you know,

00:38:52.760 complain or, or cry about what went down. But, you know, it was tough times for everyone. You know,

00:38:58.040 we were all told in a very quick period to shut down, go home. You know, I, I basically laid off

00:39:05.400 660 people up in Ottawa, and then basically another hundred year,

00:39:11.000 760 people in two days, shut two businesses, you know, shut down two construction sites. Like

00:39:19.000 it was, it was painful, you know, it was like four days. And, you know, I remember getting home and

00:39:23.400 telling my wife, I said, I'm going to quit drinking now because if I start drinking, I'm never going to

00:39:27.880 stop. And, and that was kind of it. We, we kind of went sober for the whole COVID period because

00:39:35.640 it was just overwhelming at the time. You didn't know what was going to happen. And,

00:39:39.880 you know, you had to figure out a way to retool. And I think we did a good job personally doing that.

00:39:45.480 And from a business perspective, but, you know, for someone who was sent home from the military at the time,

00:39:51.160 you know, a little painful because you guys are not meant to number one, you know, and I, I asked you

00:39:58.920 before the show, I think a lot of the guys were just told to kind of go home and, you know, they

00:40:04.840 downsized, you know, they went to shifts and rotated and, uh, you know, so you just go wait for, to be

00:40:11.960 recalled. And, and that was kind of the way it went, wasn't it? They, they got paid, but they, they kind of sat

00:40:19.160 and waited for the phone to ring again. Yeah. And there was sort of, depending on what base you

00:40:25.000 were in and what your role was, you would have sort of, uh, an identified time that you would need to

00:40:31.640 be able to report if something, if something did happen, like you're never kind of completely cut

00:40:35.720 loose, but in the same, in the same vein as the medical stuff that we've been talking about, there's

00:40:40.600 also a medical intelligence community that I was exposed to when I was an intelligence analyst.

00:40:45.400 So in the height of all the hysteria of, you know what I mean? Uh, everyone's going to die,

00:40:51.160 use hand sanitizer on your groceries and you know what I mean?

00:40:55.000 Sleep and shower in your mask, like all, like all the non five masks, like all this stuff that sort of 0.99

00:41:00.040 eventually became every, if you had any common sense, you questioned this and eventually became 0.99

00:41:04.280 obvious bullshit. Um, the medical intelligence community that I was working right alongside 0.91

00:41:10.920 at top secret and above levels, they were pushing the narrative. Like you would not believe there

00:41:15.720 was zero questioning of everything that was coming out of the government. And we were told to trust the

00:41:21.320 experts. The experts were the people that had all of those insanely idiotic forecasts and of, of how 0.99

00:41:30.360 many people were going to die. And then you had, and they were coming from all over the world. So you had 1.00

00:41:34.840 medical intelligence people in Canada briefing, briefing the chief of defense intelligence,

00:41:41.000 who is the, is everybody's boss in under this umbrella organization. And they're telling him

00:41:45.880 to tell the CDS that we need to lock down harder. We have no beds. You know what I mean? Everyone's

00:41:52.360 getting like, we're forecasting way more people to die. But as an intelligence analyst at the time,

00:41:59.080 I wasn't seeing this. And anybody that, you know what I mean, went into a hospital was seeing empty

00:42:03.480 hospitals. Like were the ICUs full of, uh, you know what I mean? 85 year old people with emphysema

00:42:09.160 that were having trouble breathing. Like, yeah, like ICUs are supposed to be full and that's why

00:42:13.480 they run at extraordinarily high operating costs with razor thin margins so that they can,

00:42:18.040 you know what I mean? You don't, you don't have 75 empty ICU beds running because it's too expensive

00:42:22.120 to run them. ICUs in some places were full, but talking to civilian doctors, you know what I mean?

00:42:29.240 Much after the fact, I had, I had one, I'm going off on a bit of a rant here. I'll bring this all

00:42:33.960 together in a second. Speaking, speaking privately, candidly with the top infectious disease doctor in

00:42:40.360 Canada at the time of just a couple of years ago, he had, he had obviously asked me not to repeat his

00:42:46.360 or her name and I won't, but this person received death threats for candidly saying on a public broadcast

00:42:54.520 that we need to reduce the lockdown measures and return back to normal life because our reaction

00:43:00.600 is overblown to what the threat is. This is not me giving my two cents as an intelligence analyst.

00:43:05.560 This is the top infectious disease doctor in the country, working at the busiest hospital in the

00:43:10.760 country, trying to tell Canadian media that what we're doing is an overreaction and the woke sort of

00:43:17.880 boomer mob that came after him of, oh my God, you're trying to kill grandma and like kids need to stay

00:43:24.280 out of school. We're threatening the life of this person. So this is, this is the level of kind of

00:43:29.240 hysteria and delusion that we reached that I was seeing at the highest levels of the medical

00:43:34.280 intelligence community reiterate to their bosses that we need to continue this momentum because

00:43:41.080 everyone in this room is getting paid and we will continue to get paid as long as this is locked down.

00:43:46.360 And I'm, I'm in this room just questioning my own sanity because we were quite literally instructed to

00:43:52.680 dig into COVID, find out what's going on with it, use open source, use level two, use level three,

00:43:59.240 every resource level two is secret, level three is top secret, access to reporting. And everything

00:44:05.720 that I was able to dive into with access to some of the best and most current information at the time

00:44:11.080 in the world was telling me that this was an overreaction. But the people in the medical community

00:44:17.160 did not for some reason, you know what I mean, want to acknowledge that. And it was just

00:44:21.640 push this narrative up and we'll continue to get paid even though a fraction of us are required to

00:44:26.600 work. It's just that this is all sort of holistically sort of coming together as this huge problem and

00:44:33.080 distrust in the medical community. And now that's part of the D and D community. And I, I, I've been, 0.99

00:44:39.880 I've been trying to shout this from the rooftops here for about a year and a half now. And hopefully

00:44:44.600 people are seeing this and it's resonating that there was at no time danger to most people they

00:44:50.680 knew and they ignored it. Right. No, no, I get you. And you, you know, Brian, here's, you know,

00:44:56.760 another angle that, you know, when I was getting ready for the show, we were talking about,

00:45:01.880 isn't there some protocol? So like the thing that kind of, uh, caught me by a little surprise and

00:45:08.280 listening to a couple of shows you had done previously, I'm thinking, okay, Brian's going to tell me

00:45:13.000 that as soon as this happened, the military went into action and people were deployed into these

00:45:18.360 strategic locations because there was emergency protocol. They called for like, there has to be

00:45:24.280 a pandemic protocol, but I mean, and let me finish cause then I'll come back to it for a minute because

00:45:29.880 when we dug into it on a previous show, you know, when we went and looked at, uh, arrive, uh, the arrive

00:45:37.240 scan scam and, and everything going on, we really found out quite frankly, there

00:45:42.760 wasn't really an office that had to do with a disaster or disasters in Canada. There was a

00:45:49.320 couple of people. So it was, uh, crazy underfunded. No one had really thought about it. So like what I

00:45:57.800 expected to kind of hear was you guys would, you know, so many of the military personnel would be

00:46:03.480 deployed to the major cities. The hospitals would get extra security and then everyone would be moving.

00:46:09.480 That's what I thought. And then when I started listening to your pockets, I'm thinking, wow,

00:46:13.800 you know, the gentleman you did one podcast with, he is in the military. You know, he's like, I work

00:46:19.000 from home and I, you know, I didn't even know why I get in the shot, but I never go out, you know,

00:46:23.560 and it was interesting. And I'm listening. I'm thinking, why, why isn't that like at that point,

00:46:27.960 you think people would have been moving because we don't know what it is at that point. Like we have

00:46:32.440 no idea what's coming down, you know, how bad it's going to be. So there, there had to be kind of an

00:46:37.480 emergency plan for a, you know, a playbook, you know, there, there's gotta be a playbook with

00:46:43.800 certain things happen in the country. You know, the reaction is, you know, A, B, C, and then, okay,

00:46:50.280 then we have to, you know, adapt. I get it. But, but there should be some basics. Is there not?

00:46:57.160 This does exist. So for, for the last 25, 30 years, there has been contingency planning in the

00:47:03.880 background from the, the D and D medical sort of contingency planning, emergency response team.

00:47:11.160 And these, these operational guidelines do absolutely exist. And then when everything

00:47:17.320 happened, we sort of refused to follow it and just went along with whatever the scariest headline was.

00:47:22.360 But there, the team, the team at sort of Valor Legal, who is nothing short of brilliant in the

00:47:30.840 level of due diligence that they've done through access to a tips and digging into like, why did we

00:47:36.280 do what we did? Didn't we have exactly what you just said? Didn't we have sort of planning in place

00:47:41.880 that we could have just followed? And we absolutely did have it. And from my sort of investigation of it,

00:47:47.960 it, it, it was somewhat reasonable in terms of how we were going to handle literally a flu pandemic

00:47:53.320 that we've been planning for. And we did, we didn't do almost any of it. So it was, it was,

00:47:58.200 it was like a flip a coin or, you know what I mean? What's the latest, if it bleeds, it leads headline

00:48:05.160 that we're going to sort of follow to create more hysteria. And then you find out if you do any kind of

00:48:10.520 digging that CJOC, so Canadian Joint Operations Command, which controls sort of the operational

00:48:16.520 elements of all of the Canadian military outside of CanSoftcom had a program in place in the

00:48:23.480 background to manipulate and psyop Canadians into believing the hysteria because they wanted to

00:48:31.160 create an obedient Canadian who would hear the headline, be afraid, and then do as they're told

00:48:37.400 and not question any authority. So this was quite literally happening from inside the military in

00:48:42.680 2020 and 2021, where they were experimenting with messaging programs to again, brainwash people into

00:48:51.640 just following instructions blindly. And as a trained sort of soldier and officer that goes against

00:48:58.680 everything that you learn coming up through the system of your, your battle training, like you,

00:49:05.320 yes. Okay. You, you follow orders, but you're also supposed to make sure they're lawful so that

00:49:12.120 you're not executing an unlawful order illegally or do something that's, you know what I mean? Just

00:49:18.200 super poor planning that makes no sense. So you should be able to think critically,

00:49:22.920 ask questions and give feedback. It doesn't mean you don't eventually do the thing you're told to do,

00:49:26.840 but maybe there's other ways to do it, or maybe there's other influences that need to be considered

00:49:32.200 from the outside about what's going to affect this operation. And they literally train some of the

00:49:37.560 best soldiers in the world that I've worked with, not putting myself in that category,

00:49:41.720 but other people that I've worked with that are just brilliant people, even in the intelligence

00:49:46.440 community, regardless of what I saw there, that threw all this out the window and just were like,

00:49:51.160 yep, we're going to do, you know what I mean? Plan A, because the quite literally the cover of the Toronto

00:49:56.760 star says that we're forecasting 70 million COVID deaths and that's what we're going to base our

00:50:02.280 modeling projections on too. And it was almost like the worst, and I was the most junior intelligence

00:50:08.680 analyst at the time. This is quite literally the worst reporting on reporting that exists. Like they

00:50:14.280 literally train you not to do this in intelligence. Don't just look at other people's reporting and then

00:50:18.920 send that up because you haven't really thought critically or given your own analysis of it.

00:50:22.840 And that's exactly what happened. And it's quite scary and went off on a bit of a diatribe there,

00:50:28.760 but to answer your question, there absolutely is contingency planning. There are policies,

00:50:34.040 operation planning already in place. And we did the exact opposite of that.

00:50:38.920 Yeah. No, no, it boggles your mind because quite frankly, that's what the military,

00:50:45.960 you know, that's what they're supposed to do. Quite frankly, they're supposed to, you know,

00:50:49.480 execute a plan given a environment or a situation. So when I was listening to it,

00:50:55.560 I was like, oh, wow, that's, again, another thing that surprised me. The medical care surprised me,

00:51:01.400 the healthcare surprised me. And when we dug into it, I started listening to the stuff you had done

00:51:05.720 previously. I'm like, wow, they all just sat around. They were doing what I was doing

00:51:10.840 at the beginning. Now, I kind of, you know, I got busy doing other things, quite frankly, because

00:51:16.280 I was going nuts sitting at home. So I kind of retooled, you know, my businesses and did

00:51:22.440 everything like that, you know, because I'm handy and I do construction. But quite frankly, I was able

00:51:28.280 to keep my sanity throughout it, you know, after figuring all that out. So, you know, I just wanted

00:51:37.480 to dig back into a couple of things because, you know, we talked about the doctors and it's very

00:51:41.960 interesting. You brought up a point earlier, you know, about, I think it was a relative of yours,

00:51:47.080 a brother-in-law or whoever is a doctor, you know, and we did this at the other show. But,

00:51:55.240 you know, a couple of points, you can go in the military, you can get your education and you can

00:52:01.000 come out with no debt. He came out with 200,000. And, you know, I'm tying these together from the

00:52:05.960 beginning of this show. So you look at this, you know, this crazy story that's come out this week,

00:52:11.640 and everyone's kind of quiet about it in Ontario right now. They're like, you know, you know, the

00:52:15.960 OHIP overbilling because, you know, doctors are kind of the sacred cow. You don't want to really say

00:52:21.080 much because, you know, we all want to believe our doctors are doing the right thing.

00:52:25.800 So we can't afford to lose them because we have so few. Yeah, well, yeah, we have. Well, and quite

00:52:32.920 frankly, you know, we're giving them a tough time. So they come out, they go to school, they come out

00:52:39.320 with a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt. And, you know, they don't go into the military. So,

00:52:46.760 you know, and I've talked about this on a previous show on the Quebec show,

00:52:50.200 the banks love doctors. The banks absolutely eat them up, quite frankly. And when I mean the banks,

00:52:57.560 I mean, anyone who loans money, I don't want to pick on the banks, but anyone who loans money

00:53:02.760 loves a doctor because they look at them like an annuity. So I've had a couple of friends that are

00:53:07.960 doctors and they joke with me about it. But quite frankly, they can get any loan they want, literally,

00:53:15.000 for almost any amount that's, you know, if they take a $400,000 or $300,000 a year and they

00:53:25.720 take, you know, the value of it over 20 years, they can basically, so they can basically graduate

00:53:31.880 and move into a two, $3 million home. They can get a mortgage on it. They can join the golf club. They

00:53:37.640 can, you know, and then fortunately, you know, maybe they marry the wrong person and she's a spender. 1.00

00:53:43.320 And all of a sudden, next thing he knows, you know, he's got huge credit cards.

00:53:47.800 Then the next thing you know, he's billing 24 hours a day because he's trying to keep pace with that,

00:53:53.000 that lifestyle that he set up. So he's, it's gone more and more. And a lot of them don't make it,

00:53:58.440 quite frankly. A lot of them bankrupt out because of it, right? Because of the thinking behind it

00:54:05.960 and the easy access to capital. So here's the thing, Brian, here's a great thing that we can do.

00:54:12.040 Let's try, as we try to increase our military, let's try to actually create a program for people

00:54:19.480 who are going to commit to be military doctors and go out and tell, which if you look, have you ever

00:54:26.680 seen a advertising program by the Canadian military that talks about the fact that you can graduate with

00:54:35.160 no debt? Have you ever seen one that, that says be a doctor with the Canadian military?

00:54:41.400 I don't, I don't think, I don't think so. I just see advertisements for, you know what I mean?

00:54:45.560 Rainbow and blue hair military personnel that we like, whatever's the newest woke trend. But yeah,

00:54:51.720 no, I haven't.

00:54:53.160 No, but we could be doing it, right? Again, that's like, you know, like our last show we did.

00:54:57.640 And I find this bizarre because we, we do these shows and we kind of come to the same,

00:55:02.120 a little bit of the same point is you got a military, you got lots of spending going on people,

00:55:10.280 they want to increase the number of people. They don't have the infrastructure, but yet they don't

00:55:15.480 want to go out and advertise for doctors to be trained and join the military for medical personnel,

00:55:22.840 for people to come learn a trade for, for kids to graduate without debt. You know, we'd rather,

00:55:30.200 we'd rather figure out a way to get kids to go to school, come out with lots of debt and then move

00:55:37.080 back home and, and really ruin them, right? We were, we're ruining a whole generation of people that,

00:55:44.360 that basically we're late. You know, we think we're telling them to get educated them when they're

00:55:49.640 coming out. And quite frankly, they don't have a functional trade. They can't make enough money

00:55:54.360 to survive and they don't have any pension ability. Like when you were mentioning about the doctors

00:56:00.760 and pensions, you know, these poor guys, these poor guys are billing 24 hours a day.

00:56:06.440 They're probably stressed to the max, right? They're probably so levered out the wazoo that they

00:56:13.400 can't make it. So they're, they're trying to find a way. And the only way they can do it is keep

00:56:17.640 billing OHIP till it explodes. Right. So, you know, and, and, and, and that's what they're doing

00:56:23.800 quite frankly. It's very obvious. It's, I don't think, you know, we're not telling anything, saying

00:56:27.800 anything that people don't know. So, but, but wouldn't it be great to, to do that and then start that.

00:56:35.240 So when I go in, I have prioritized medical care, um, by a dedicated service team, kind of like they

00:56:44.280 did in Quebec, they created service teams in Quebec was a brilliant idea. They went, they created

00:56:51.000 medical service teams for people on a color coded basis based on their illness. So if like, for

00:56:58.440 example, if your illness was critical, you went into a medical team of people who specialized in

00:57:05.640 your illness, like that makes sense to me. And then you, you were given that treatment by that,

00:57:13.160 that medical team, by that group, that service provider team, and it wasn't just one person.

00:57:18.280 So you didn't have to wait two years to go into a hospital or to, but, you know, they're not talking

00:57:24.680 about any of these things. They're not having these conversations, but yet, you know, we, we want

00:57:29.320 to publish budgets and throw numbers out. It's a little frustrating at this point because there's

00:57:34.680 got to be a group of strategic thinkers. There's really some, you've alluded to it a couple of times

00:57:39.960 in the military. There's got to be some really strategic thinkers in the military, quite frankly,

00:57:45.560 some smart people who do a bunch of great stuff. Is there not an ability to create a plan or to

00:57:52.120 figure out a way to allocate these monies, to create these things?

00:57:56.920 There, there definitely is some of the people that I worked alongside in intelligence in any field,

00:58:02.920 but specifically intelligence. I couldn't believe I was in the same room as some of these people,

00:58:08.040 like their ability to digest information, analyze the information, report on the information,

00:58:15.960 give their predictions. You know what I mean? Intelligence gathering is basically finding a lot of

00:58:21.400 information and then trying to predict what's going to happen based on the patterns that you're seeing.

00:58:25.400 And the, the stuff that I was able to be exposed to and the people that I was able to be exposed

00:58:30.040 to, I couldn't believe that I, I breathe the same air as some of these people, because I was

00:58:34.680 like, I've joked before, like I'm licking the windows in this room compared to the, compared to how

00:58:39.320 smart and savvy some of these folks are. And it was, it was a real gift to be around them and learn from

00:58:44.440 them. And I'll never forget that. But there, there's the system itself is so bogged down with

00:58:51.560 the rest of the team or the rest of the policies and procedures that are so slow and so

00:58:59.080 useless that it, it brings everything to this. The, the chain is only as strong as its weakest link

00:59:03.880 kind of thing. And these people are just bound to, unfortunately, all this weakness and

00:59:08.680 diffusion of responsibility that nothing really ends up ever happening in time. Everything's a day

00:59:14.920 late and a dollar short, but to answer your question, these people are there and they actually

00:59:20.200 want to do good things. But I think it's a matter of time until they're not there anymore because

00:59:25.320 they're seeing opportunities elsewhere and they're just going to go where those are.

00:59:31.720 Digress a little bit, like having these conversations privately with these physicians,

00:59:35.960 civilians or military, the stuff they were saying to me, I couldn't believe it. Like

00:59:41.400 a military doctor that was a civilian in the military doing the job was listening and looking

00:59:48.440 at my file and following up. And I met with this person relatively consistently and she was listening

00:59:53.800 to everything that I was kind of saying. And she was like, well, why don't you speak publicly about

00:59:58.440 your own situation and others like you? I mean, you have quite a lot to say and you're

01:00:03.160 articulated in the way you say it. And I said, well, would you join me? You know what I mean?

01:00:07.400 Would you sort of be the lever that I can lean on to justify what I'm saying? Because I don't

01:00:14.360 have formal medical training. I just know what I've seen and what I've lived through.

01:00:17.720 And she said, no way. I cannot risk my pension for telling the truth, even though I agree with

01:00:24.200 everything that you're saying. There's just no way that I can do that. I've been here 20 plus years.

01:00:29.080 You know what I mean? I'm X number of years from not having to do this anymore. I've got kids and

01:00:33.320 grandkids and all this stuff. So these people are there. They want to do the things that you're

01:00:39.160 saying, but they're just handcuffed. And it was it was morale destroying. Like I was already on my way

01:00:46.360 out and I was and I was getting out, but it was just morale destroying. And the people that are there

01:00:51.720 know this, the sort of the people that are still in the military know a lot of these things. And I

01:00:56.280 guess that they get by by just compartmentalizing and putting it behind them to just sort of be able to

01:01:02.680 look forward and have any kind of pride or intrinsic motivation to continue doing their job. But

01:01:08.280 like I give I tend to give really long winded answers. But the short answer is these people do

01:01:15.320 exist. These policies do exist, but they're they're just not going to see the light of day with the

01:01:19.320 current leadership that we have. Yeah, it's interesting. You're talking about just reading

01:01:23.480 an article and it's coming up and, you know, we're going to do it on another show because it's becoming

01:01:27.560 more they're writing about it more and more. The fact that in March or whatever, how much money the

01:01:34.840 the military spends to basically just get rid of the budget they have. So and it's actually,

01:01:42.120 you know, they've been talking about it. I've seen it popping up again. You know, the government

01:01:47.000 general does that right by the end coming to the fiscal end of the year. They start to just spend

01:01:52.280 like a spending spree. And the last 60 days of the year is just like everything's being bought and

01:01:57.720 going out the door like mad people. But no, again, I kind of come to it's it boggles my mind.

01:02:06.520 And I know you're saying it's there. So and I get it like a strategic plan, an emergency plan,

01:02:13.960 like how in a in a in a occupation that has to be based on discipline, right? To be a great military,

01:02:24.360 you have to be disciplined, right? Because you have to have everyone moving. You have to be strategic.

01:02:29.800 You know, they they should be able to execute these programs. So as if they if they think they

01:02:35.880 need medical care, if they think they need housing, you know, the things we're talking about, they got

01:02:40.680 to be thinking how to connect those dots. And if they're not, then they can't be serious about getting

01:02:45.080 people because if you can't get adequate health care and you can't get out of adequate housing and you

01:02:51.240 can't get the people recruited, then, you know, you're just going to see that budget item sit

01:02:56.840 there and then disappear. And and quite frankly, right now in Canada, we if we're not going to use

01:03:03.960 that money, if we're going to allocate monies for things we're not going to use, that's the Brian,

01:03:09.080 that's that's the worst thing we could be doing because the only way we get out of the conundrum we're

01:03:13.880 in is that all programs we allocated money to in our budgets have to be functionally working and

01:03:20.600 execute it. Because, you know, we're getting to the point, you know, this week, I don't know if

01:03:25.160 you're reading, but, you know, it's funny, people are surprised that Algoma Steel is laying off a

01:03:32.600 thousand people. I'm like, how could you be surprised? Like, how can you be surprised when

01:03:38.760 you're seeing auto plants and you're seeing steel and lumber and all those things impacted? Well,

01:03:43.640 we're good. We're they're telling us they're going to fund them. Yeah, you're going to fund them.

01:03:48.200 But if they have no customers, you can fund them as much as you want. The guy can't use the money,

01:03:53.080 but I'm not selling anything. You know, because he he's got to, you know, you're going to fund them.

01:03:59.160 They can use that money to reduce the sales price for a while. But when that money runs out,

01:04:04.520 it goes back to a price that no one buys it at. So, you know, it just doesn't make sense. And

01:04:10.600 I hope, you know, and I appreciate you taking the time for the show.

01:04:13.800 So, you know, I hope as people listen to the show, I hope that they understand that

01:04:20.280 it's not any more about just getting a budget allocated to a line item.

01:04:25.000 It's that you're they really need to focus on making these things happen. So thanks again,

01:04:31.000 Brian. I appreciate you taking the time. Thanks. Thanks for having me. I'm super glad that there's

01:04:37.640 informed folks like you, you know, I mean raising these questions and having these conversations.

01:04:41.240 It's really important. So I appreciate it a lot as well. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And

01:04:46.040 for everyone, you know, stay tuned. We're going to get a show going. Brian's got a couple more shows

01:04:50.440 over the next week with us. One is coming up on procurement. So stay tuned and subscribe. And

01:04:56.520 we look forward to seeing you soon.

True Patriot Love - December 05, 2025

Canada’s Military Healthcare Crisis Exposed

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