Carney’s Davos Warning： Canada’s Wake-Up Call
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Summary
Jim and Paul discuss the impact of Mark Carney's speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and what it means for the future of the world economic forum. They also discuss the implications of the Carney speech, and how it sets the stage for President Trump's speech on the global economic forum tomorrow.
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It seems that every day we're reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry,
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that the rules-based order is fading, that the strong can do what they can and the weak
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And this aphorism of Thucydides is presented as inevitable, as the natural logic of international
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And faced with this logic, there is a strong tendency for countries to go along to get
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along, to accommodate, to avoid trouble, to hope that compliance will buy safety.
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In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called The
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And in it, he asked a simple question, how did the communist system sustain itself?
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Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window, workers of the world unite.
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But he places a sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along.
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And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists, not through
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violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately
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The system's power comes not from its truth, but from everyone's willingness to perform
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When even one person stops performing, when the green grocer removes his sign, the illusion
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Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down.
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In what can only be described as an explosive, groundbreaking speech by Prime Minister Mark
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Carney, it kicked off the world economic forum in Davos, Switzerland.
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And in his words, the old order is not coming back.
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Thrilled to be joined by Mike and Paul's always and gentlemen.
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With the world leaders there, with Trump arriving on Air Force One after his barrage on true social,
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Paul, Mark Carney basically laid his cards on the table saying,
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OK, the old way's gone and we're going to start with a new way.
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Yeah, it's interesting, Jim, how it's escalated from tariffs to a new world order.
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So, you know, as Mike mentioned early before the show, you know, the door got cracked open
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And now this is kind of steamrolled into new world orders, country control, military.
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All our pillars that we talk about on a weekly basis are all folding under this umbrella
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and culminating in this speech that's about to come tomorrow in Davos.
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Like, you know, this speech, I can only imagine, we'll talk about it in a minute, but I can
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Yeah, because Carney basically fired the first salvo with a speech today.
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And it will be fascinating to see how Trump responds.
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Do you think it was an accident that they put that order together?
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I mean, to be honest with you, Canada, U.S. is probably one of the mainstay discussions
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It almost feels like they put Carney up there to have the first word.
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And a little bit, you know, I guess that was the order that he had to accept, but a
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little bit shocking that he would actually do it in advance of Trump's speech.
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So strategically, I guess maybe that was determined or that was something he wanted.
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But I probably would have actually waited to see where he was going first and then gone
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Well, it makes it so easy for Trump to show up with his speech and say, well, we all know
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It actually lines Trump up to make a fool of Carney on the global stage, or at least start
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to combat each of the things that Carney just said in his speech.
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Carney dropped a lot of truth bombs this morning in Switzerland.
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President Macron spoke to reporters and said, quote, I do not intend to speak with President
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So that was unheard of, a world economic forum with the leader of one of the biggest countries
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in Europe saying, I have no desire to speak to the U.S. president.
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But they're in a different, you know, they're in a different scenario.
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So different, you know, because they're in Europe, they're further away.
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We have a whole different issue in our proximity.
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So back before Christmas, we posted something, which was the National Security Strategy for
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Well, the Western Hemisphere portion for us was, it was a lengthy document for the whole
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But for us, it basically laid out some key points that he wanted to get across.
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And, you know, I just wanted to, I was reading this morning.
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So the United States must reconsider our military presence in the Western Hemisphere.
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The readjustment of our global military presence to address urgent threats in our hemisphere,
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especially the missions identified in this strategy and away from theaters whose relative
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import to America, national security has declined in recent decades or years.
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Number two, a more suitable Coast Guard and Navy presence to control sea lanes to thwart illegal
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and unwanted migration to reduce human and drug trafficking and to control key transit routes
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Three, target deployments to secure the border and defeat cartels, including, where necessary,
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the use of lethal force to replace the failed law.
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Four, establishing or expanding access in strategically important locations.
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Expanding or expanding access in strategically important locations.
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So historically, since NATO was formed in 1949, they call it the GI-UK gap.
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Any Russian submarine coming towards America has to come between Greenland and Iceland or
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You can't get to the North Atlantic to get to America without going through there first.
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Representation from Denmark and, of course, our discussion and history just shows, the
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U.S. has had a heavy presence on Greenland for decades and decades.
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They've reduced that over the past number of years.
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And this morning, he said, because the UK had surrendered Diego Garcia, they basically said
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How our military base there is now at threat because you surrendered the island.
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Denmark can't be making the decision what happens to Greenland.
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And, you know, I'm not supporting this, but I'm just saying he was.
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And, you know, the one thing we're learning about the U.S. and Donald Trump is they are
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When we were all off at Christmas, they weren't.
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They were almost doing that plan on Christmas Day.
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They would, you know, move their command post right beside the golf course.
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But they are, you know, I think we're seeing again, he's plotted a plan and he's going
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You know, Paul, I don't think people are ready to read a document from Donald Trump.
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We don't hear a lot about his documentation of strategy and planning.
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No matter what you think about Mark Carney, what he said today is echoing the feeling
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What we had in place that provided security and trade agreements and, you know, staving
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off small problems that could turn into bigger problems.
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And then just hearing our prime minister use the phrase that only conspiracy theorists were
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good to use before the new world order coming out of his mouth, not once, but twice in the
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It's because he's seen like the reality is staring him in the face and the threats from
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That means all those massive U.S. military bases in Germany, in Italy, in the UK.
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If they leave, you know who it benefits the most?
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There's no American military presence in Europe.
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Now, the other thing is, and Jim, you kind of pointed this out when we were talking earlier,
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you can send a military operation out of an air base in the Midwest of the United States
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undetected, make a bombing attack and be back at home before dinnertime and nobody can stop
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They've got technology coming online that's even more advanced than that.
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Do they need to have a military base then that is strategically placed in Europe or anywhere
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You know, that makes me wonder, okay, Greenland sounds like a bully point because if you're
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weaponizing, allows you to reach across the world in a couple of hours and make devastating
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For Navy reasons, I believe they think with a bigger military presence there, it's a bigger
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You have to get through them first to get to America.
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Okay, so really, set the tripwires, set up the radars, but the military...
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Like what he's saying here, Mike, he's saying he wants...
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He doesn't want to have to ask anyone for the rights.
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He doesn't want to have to ask anyone for the accesses.
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He doesn't want to have to, you know, call Denmark and ask if he can do this or depend
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on them to do something or worry that they're going to sell part of that continent or the
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For example, the Australians to do mining to the Chinese, for example, maybe to do resources.
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Because when he posts on Truth Social, one photo of him planting the American flag in
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Greenland and the next photo is a map of North America.
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Yeah, Nick, if you don't mind, we'll put that up at this point, that map of this hemisphere.
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There's a reason that's being posted and constantly thrown in our face.
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It's this is all part of America now because resources and strategic reasons.
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The speech today by Prime Minister Carney in Switzerland is not just to the world, but to
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Canadians sort of sleepwalking through their lives, the reality that we're facing.
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Establish and expand access in strategically important locations.
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We've been deemed a strategically important location.
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The brains in the Pentagon and the White House and Trump would rather see bloodshed and destruction
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in Canadian soil before it crosses the 49th parallel.
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It's interesting to note something, Paul, you said earlier.
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The American perspective on this, and Jim, you pointed out you lived in California as a
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Americans barely care about the North as it is.
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It's like, you know, you know, you, you know, aside from New York, you pointed out that some
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of the kids you went to school with in California didn't know where Maine was.
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And Paul, you point out it's a capitalist society.
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They're not, they're not interested in virtue signaling like we are.
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They're not all that interested in putting the environment.
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Well, look at, you know, you look at the primaries right now in the U.S.
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I don't know if you're following it at all, but quite frankly, he's doing fairly well.
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I am shocked that he is doing as well as he's doing.
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So the polling for the polling for everything between now and then, who knows what he's
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going to do on the world stage and who knows how that affects the polling.
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And it only emboldens him to see these polls, by the way.
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You know, every time somebody puts out that he's doing a good job, he pushes a little
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And I know the speech this morning from our prime minister.
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But in this paper, the national security paper, he says, in the Western hemisphere and everywhere
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in the world, the United States should make clear that American goods, service and technologies
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are far better to buy in the long run because they are higher in quality and do not come
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with the same kind of strings that other countries' assistance.
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That said, we will reform our own system to expedite approvals and licensing, again, to
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The choice all countries should face is whether they want to live in an American-led world of
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sovereignty countries, sovereign countries and free economies, or in a parallel one in
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which they are influenced by countries on the other side of the world.
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He doesn't want us dealing with other hemispheres.
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The number one selling car in the U.S. is usually the Corolla or the Honda Civic.
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But the fact is, most of the manufacturing, a lot of the stuff that's consumed, Nike, most
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Well, they say if you wanted a pair of Nike shoes manufactured in the USA, you would start
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And I get you, but is that, you know, and he'll blame that on the Biden administration
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So, you know, I'm not, I don't know what his...
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So is this all, you know, when he pulled all those tech oligarchs around the table and
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he said to them, hey, time out, you know, you're coming back to the United States.
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And they're like, well, I can't produce that phone for, you know, $399.99.
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He said, you know, the member of Apple, you know, the CEO.
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You know, they all were, they all came to the table relatively quick.
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And as this changes, as this doctrine, you know, comes into effect, he's, you know,
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And he, you know, from the sound of it, he sees that moving to us.
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What, like, the damage being done to the relationships, and for you in business, relationships are
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To do something to your benefit, to ruin the relationships of this leader, that leader,
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your friends, these countries, relationships that may not be rebuilt.
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Then you start, say, whatever, President Wixson, you have no friends, no trading partners,
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And then, you know, on a bigger global scheme, does he foresee the world forming into bigger
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Yeah, I think he sees the four-quadrant planet.
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So he sees, you know, four to six players, potentially, in the end run here.
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They just go in and assume all these other countries.
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And, you know, when they talk about new world order, which I hate that expression, quite
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But, you know, if that's what it is, it's that what he's envisioning.
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Because when you read this strategy, it sure does look like that's what he's forming.
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So the reason he's pulling back to the Western atmosphere is I'm going to control this and
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you're going to stay there and we're going to be big enough to actually do commerce within
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What that happens at the moment that you have super countries or quadrant countries around
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First of all, the first thing that Donald Trump hates is being part of NATO because it is too
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far away and he's not interested in participating with all these other countries.
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But secondly, if he sets it up this way, he only has to deal with Paul in that hemisphere,
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But so you're telling me countries around the world, countries in around the world with
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two, three, four, five, a thousand years of history, all have to join together, Spain,
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France, Italy, and England and Germany to be one country.
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Like, I mean, as a proud Canadian, it's one thing.
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But think about some of these countries around the world who are five, six, seven times older
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While there's no precise count, research and expert analysis, notably from U of T's Aisha
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Ahmad, suggests a hypothetical U.S. invasion of Canada would trigger widespread sustained
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resistance, potentially 400,000 people in an insurgency or 1% of the population, turning
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the country into a costly decades-long quagmire for the U.S., akin to historical insurgencies
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And despite Canada's smaller formal military, experts point to Canada's high civilian gun
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ownership, urbanized population, and the history of resistance.
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There are the U.S. coming in with this new world order in this hemisphere.
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There's no question there will be a segment of the population who would try to entertain
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But there's a large segment of the population who escape war-torn countries and poverty and
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famine who don't want their house blown up, don't want to risk their family's lives.
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Are you willing to have your house blown up and have you and all your family killed in
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You know, they are one EMP blast away from just hooking us up to their hydro and giving
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So, you know, there's a lot of distance between here and there, but it doesn't feel like it
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You know, he's barely out of Venezuela and he's headed to Greenland.
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And the whole world is up his ass about this and he still doesn't care.
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And quite frankly, we did a show earlier, right?
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Regardless of, you know, like today or tomorrow or whatever, the day the decision on tariffs
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They've already said, Scott Besson and the group has already said, that's fine.
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Whatever it is, we have other avenues to enact tariffs.
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If that's one, we'll just go another direction.
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The one thing we can say, you know, criticism, I think there's lots of it.
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They have been very transparent of what they want to do.
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Well, Trump is a pretty transparent guy, minute to minute.
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If he doesn't like the way his shoes feels, Buster Brown's a piece of garbage.
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So he really does shoot from the hip a lot.
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What frightens me is that document is very well thought through.
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It's a strategy that we're already seeing happen.
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His plan for strategic empire building in North America is on paper.
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And so far, everything he said he's going to do, he's sticking to.
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And here's the problem for Canada and a lot of the countries who are opposing him, who are just in the infancy of rebuilding their armed forces and military.
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Yeah, if we wanted to do something, how long would it take us?
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Two, three, five years until a lot of this equipment's online.
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We can't get weapons in under 10 years in this country.
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So say you're, okay, I'm going to have to buy helicopters from Airbus and tanks from Germany and guns from the U.K.
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If we show up needing 40 planes and the U.S. shows up needing 400 planes, whose business are you taking first?
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The U.S. is going to win just based on your buying power.
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That's what's happening with the F-35 Lightning in the Canadian first, the tranche of 16 planes.
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You have to wait till they've supplied the U.S. Air Force and Navy.
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What supply chain comes out of the U.S. that could be stopped in the process of building any of this weaponry or getting us ready again?
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I'm going to imagine everything from bullets to uniforms.
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So everything we're going to get, we're buying from someplace.
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All they have to do is say, nope, we're not supplying you these goods, these goods, and these goods.
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And that procurement suddenly takes 15 years longer.
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And, you know, recently, you know, he wants to increase his military budget to $1.5 trillion.
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And they want to increase it really to a wartime budget.
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So he'll get it, my guess is, because of the control he has.
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And so he'll get the approval for it, and he'll put it into play.
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Now, here's something you talked about before our meeting here about Trump's negotiation tactic.
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Say, for sake of argument, he pulls back on 51st state but tells Canada, I won't do this, but you need to do this, this, and this militarily.
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And that means buying your tanks from the USA, no more Saab Grippens.
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And if he all of a sudden says, I'm going to do this and I'm not going to do that now, but you need to do this and this, the U.S. military industrial complex has jobs for decades now supplying all these countries.
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What if he says, we're going to employ your military, but we're going to make them part of the U.S. military based in Canada?
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That's another option that I've seen presented out there.
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Again, the American goods, services, and technologies are far better to buy in the long run because they don't come with strings.
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Like, he really does believe that we should be doing that right now.
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So we got into tariffs and we chased down tariffs.
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You know, the prime minister today, they had a question, you know, about globalism.
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And he's like, you know, it's we need to trade with different countries.
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And he's been, you know, on a tear going around, meeting with everyone, trying to set up deals, you know, so he can keep, you know, goods and services and investment in Canada.
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But here you have another guy, you know, Trump, on the other hand, he's saying, quite frankly, you shouldn't be worrying about any of that.
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You're going to pay whatever price, because with that procurement of goods and services and technologies, it comes to a condition that you're going to be part of the Western Hemisphere family.
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I mean, and then it goes back to what Carney said about weaponizing the economy.
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If he says, you're not allowed to build any cars in Ontario, there goes our automobile industry.
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So let's talk about the difference between Americans and Canadians.
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So this is kind of where I really noticed it coming, you know, having lived in the States, come back.
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So that means potentially Windsor and Oshawa and Oakville could be decimated.
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I watched U-Hauls moving, like literally thousands of U-Hauls packing up and moving out of Florida.
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They basically, and, you know, their housing show, a lot of times, there are some beautiful neighborhoods in the U.S. with very wealthy people.
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But for the most part, the average citizens live in very humble abodes, right, that are made out of wood.
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When it's time, the house gets sold for $65,000 and they're down the highway in the U-Haul.
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Well, it's also part of their military training.
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So a lot of them, a lot of them who don't, who aren't born wealthy and don't come from, you know, the hub or echelon, they join the military and they're taught to be ready to move, be ready to adapt, be ready to build.
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You know, the guys I work with, right, I was always shocked, like, how resilient they were.
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Like, you know, I'd come in the morning, I'd be bummed out about a problem.
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Like, they'd be on a whiteboard strategizing the problem out and ready to go.
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Like, you know, whereas I was, it'd take me a minute and I'd be like, holy cow, we're going, right?
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And, you know, we'd all pitch in and it was a, it was an initiative.
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But that's a very different, like, well, we, you ask a Canadian to move across country for $1,000.
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To that point, what Carney said today, all his, basically his sound bites and everything that's going to be viral around the world, I think part of it was to Trump and the world leaders.
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And I think part of it was to average Canadians to understand the comfortable life they've been living the last 30, 40 years.
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And you may have to do what you just described and move to Moncton or move to Prince Albert, Saskatchewan.
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Like, hey, this is the reality we're living in.
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And so we were doing some research on the most successful mining countries in the world.
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And so as we dug into it, you know, pun, as we got into it, what we found is we started looking at projects like in China, for example.
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They roll up and create cities for a million people like in a year.
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And in one year they have like home after home after home and recreation and soccer fields and everything.
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A million people show up and live in this stuff.
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So any routes that you're making in that moment, if you're a mining family, you may be taken to another part of China.
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So that could mean the ring of fire in Northern Ontario.
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Hey, if you want mining jobs, get ready to live north of Timmins because that's where the jobs are going to be.
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How many people do we, like, again, I'm not trying to be difficult with the ring of fire.
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If we were seriously committed to the ring of fire, right, a road would not be the full discussion.
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It would be housing, recreation, water, rail, hospital.
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And, you know, yesterday on Brian's show, after the show, I talked to him about troops going to Greenland.
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Brian Isted is a valuable set of eyes on what our military is doing.
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And his perspective on the number of people who support, like, one warrior soldier.
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So one frontline soldier who's, you know, the guy who's shooting or the guy who's blowing stuff.
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So for each guy, there's six people supporting.
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So when they go somewhere, like, there's five or six people on their tail who are setting up, like, housing, logistics, ammunition.
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Like, there's a whole group of people that handle all the back stuff, the admin of it.
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Mining and projects to that size are the same thing.
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Like, if we were seriously interested in doing that, we'd be basically landing on site with, like, 100,000 people.
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But we're fighting over, we're still, we're months.
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And by the way, we're hearing from many of the indigenous business people, we don't need the government's involvement.
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Once they don't want subsidized, they want that, they want the resource.
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Run a survey and ask people living in Toronto or Vancouver how many of them are willing to relocate.
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Well, even, you know, ask them if they're willing to relocate to Timmons or Sudbury.
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Do I want to maybe try something new and go to a mine for a couple years, make some bank, and live a life, and then see where I want to go from life?
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That's the kind of people they need to recruit because there's the youth unemployment in Canada is such an issue.
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And they're saying, hey, there's jobs that will pay you $30, $40 an hour.
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I see no news, no spreads in the newspaper saying, come to the ring of fire where we're establishing a new life for you.
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If it was Vegas, for example, and they were getting into...
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To Jim's point earlier, where we got on this tangent.
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I was listening, and I'm thinking to myself, yeah, I think he is saying, listen, if you want your sovereignty, get ready.
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We're going to have to roll up our sleeves here and, you know.
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He talked about a 300,000-person reserve force.
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There's stories online and comments in our own feed saying, hey, man, I signed up for the reserve.
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So we're not even servicing people that want to be part of it.
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So then Carney's saying, hey, from top-down, leadership, infrastructure, recruiting, job placement, everything, you may have to go.
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The new way, the new town is going to spring up here on the border of Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and it's a drilling mining town, and that's where work is.
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Because think about how Canada, Western Canada, was settled.
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People going out there to farm and mine and drill once upon a time.
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You know, listen, I hope and pray that we have the ability to get there and we're having these conversations.
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Two weeks from now, we could be talking about our sovereignty for real.
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Yeah, I think that's the, to your point, that's the critical timeline we're on.
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And I think people aren't kind of still getting it, you know, as we're going through.
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And they're watching this and thinking, oh, you know, this is just talk.
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Think about a business plan of a company, right?
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So, but he did do it and he understands that there is a mission, there is a value set, there is a, you know, task list.
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There's all these things that fall into this company.
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If you read this strategy paper, it very much is a mission, value, directional statement for a business plan almost.
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And it does, it does look very, very business oriented.
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But the problem with it is this document presented to a Canadian, presented to a European, presented to somebody in the Middle East.
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He's kind of Genghis Khan for the modern day era.
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Although we, we never really determined that about, uh, Genghis Khan.
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So think about, you talked about the reality we're facing, how it's, it's happening so fast.
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Most Canadians, most people around the world, they're getting clips from Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert.
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It's a, it's a comedy, uh, soundbite on your social media feed about Trump and ha ha ha.
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And it's people making jokes and it's political cartoons without doing a deep dive and drilling down as you want to do, Paul, into the nitty gritty of what's actually happening.
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And this is a bigger overarching thing in society where we're, life is flying by.
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We're not really paying attention until it's too late.
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He's not, you know, there's no comedy in any of this, right?
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He's not looking at, you know, you, you saw his kind of direction on the, uh, media, TV, uh, movies area, right?
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He basically just, you know, you guys go away, right?
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Comedians, everyone, you know, this is serious stuff.
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He's decided the direction he's going and quite frankly, you can make light of it all you want.
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You can not like the fact that I want this country.
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You can not like the fact that I want to do this.
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It doesn't really change my course, which is very American.
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Having lived with Americans, you know, that's what I did learn, uh, quite frankly.
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You know, it, it doesn't really matter once they've picked their direction, they're going in that direction.
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And that's part of the, I think second term Trump has realized.
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The power that he left behind the last time he was around, you know, he wants to shore up.
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I mean, this is a guy that is likely to create a state of emergency in his own country and doesn't care to keep power and not care.
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I just, well, legally, I mean, unless he does something illegally, uh, his, his give a shit meter about what people think about him, of what the world thinks about him, about what happens.
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Carney actually said, Hey, he was telling everyone, let's face it.
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Carney's not uncomfortable dealing, uh, on the internet, in the international market.
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And so he's not afraid to avoid doing business with America because he's seen what other countries are capable of doing.
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I think our sovereignty is the last question in this.
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And I think if you polled Canadians, they would tell you that they want to stay Canadian.
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But if you showed them even a marginally better life, their sovereignty, I think would begin to fade into the distance a little bit.
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We are, as you point out, Jim, not the oldest country in the world.
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No, we wouldn't be the first time the U S went in.
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And acquired a country with way more years of history and way more culture.
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Um, I, I, I think that it is a real possibility that we have to take a look at how we're going to handle sovereignty.
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We don't have a hell of a lot of choice if they decide we are America.
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It's the longest unguarded border in the world, but we're going to be told, my guess is, and this is, you know, estimate, guess, right?
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You know, my guess is after tomorrow, after the speech, we're going to be told about their relationship to NATO.
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And then from there, that'll be this next set of steps that'll be enacted where we will at some point be told how that's all going to go.
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Let's regroup again and see where our opinions go after this, because I think you got a great point, Paul.
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Until he speaks, anything that anybody says leading up or thereafter means very little unless it's related.
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And Canadians have got to be really paying attention.
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And I don't care who you like, who you don't like, who you, I don't like that.
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Because some pieces are falling into place that could have ramifications for our nation forever.