True Patriot Love - September 22, 2025


Carney’s ‘Major Projects’ Plan: Real Progress or Political Illusion?


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In this episode, we discuss the Prime Minister's announcement of the first set of projects, the creation of the major projects office, and the lack of progress on major projects in the past six months under PM Mark Carney. We also discuss the failure of the PM to approve a single national project in his first six months as Prime Minister, and why it's time for him to do something about it.

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00:00:00.000 all right so welcome everyone here we have it the prime minister i'm joined by mike wixson the
00:00:23.520 prime minister came out this week with five initiatives major projects and it looks like
00:00:29.280 he created a major projects office so i thought that mike that was very interesting that he threw
00:00:35.920 on the table uh five projects which to tell you the truth i actually thought were already happening
00:00:42.480 in some shape or form but um you know uh let's watch a few clips i think we have from uh a couple
00:00:50.160 of the media agencies toronto sun and nick what's the other one uh global news global news and from
00:00:55.440 global okay let's so today as you know canada's new government is announcing the first set
00:01:02.000 of projects that we believe are both in canada's national interest and are feasible to be built
00:01:09.760 the proponents behind the first trash of these projects have already done much of the hard work
00:01:15.920 they've undertaken already extensive consultations with indigenous peoples
00:01:20.320 consultations that meet the standards of existing legislation they've worked extensively with
00:01:26.720 provincial and territorial governments and local authorities and already meet many of the necessary
00:01:32.560 regulatory standards this is the first tranche of projects we expect the second tranche of projects
00:01:39.520 to be announced by the great cup first lng canada phase two what we have today is mark carney after six
00:01:48.480 months has not approved a single national project anywhere in canada it's really incredible he was elected
00:01:56.880 saying that we are an unprecedented crisis and that we needed to move with unimaginable speed so what has he done
00:02:04.560 he's not permitted a single major mine pipeline nuclear plant or anything else what he's done today
00:02:11.920 he's announced that he's going to send an email to an office that isn't even fully staffed up yet
00:02:22.080 which will one day consider possibly approving five projects this is pathetic do you know the federal
00:02:34.480 government is blocking 39 projects that are in the regulatory system 39 scott mo says there's another 100 projects in saskatchewan alone
00:02:47.520 that are waiting on federal decisions the message to mark carney and the liberals is they need to do one thing
00:02:54.400 get out of the way get out of the way get out of the way all these projects need to go ahead
00:03:05.120 is the removal of liberal anti-development laws and taxes that make them impossible to build we don't
00:03:13.280 need a new bureaucracy in ottawa or a new dream list we need the federal government to get out of the way and
00:03:21.120 i'm here to help them do it i'm putting forward the canadian sovereignty act which will get the
00:03:26.240 government out of the way open the country for business unlock our resources repeal the industrial
00:03:31.040 carbon tax the energy cap the shipping ban c69 the pipeline ban repeal all of those liberal laws
00:03:39.040 so that we can become a country that is strong self-reliant and stands on its own two feet and i would
00:03:46.160 just conclude by looking at the results of mr carney not his promises not his latest paper
00:03:51.040 shuffling exercise 62 billion dollars of net investment has left canada since he became prime
00:03:58.240 minister that is the worst five-month record of investment in canadian history mark carney has lost
00:04:05.840 86 000 jobs and there is nothing to show for his six months it's time for him to get out of the way
00:04:13.680 let builders build that workers work okay all right so you know there you have it you listen to you know
00:04:21.840 the prime minister and you thought and i thought pierre just disappeared into the summer i know and he's
00:04:27.920 now he's doing the sovereignty bill he's actually thinking about doing something yeah so uh which is a
00:04:33.440 good idea right i do respect the notion that he points out that there's already a lot of projects that
00:04:41.360 have been given regulatory uh go ahead they're already in the system yes and and the prime minister
00:04:48.160 is ignoring those the first point that i got yeah loud and clear yeah i did get that loud clear you know
00:04:54.480 and so you know we went to and uh we have it on the screen um we went to the major projects office
00:05:03.680 site so this is a new site actually popped up and we're trying to figure out what it is right so if uh
00:05:10.000 nick if you scroll down so you know uh basically i guess the pillars of this are advancing the advancing
00:05:18.000 nation building projects partnering with indigenous peoples and supporting proponents right so and then
00:05:25.440 if you go down i guess to how it works uh they're looking for proponents share details of major projects
00:05:33.920 uh through a single point of contact giving us the information we need to get started then they have
00:05:40.400 a team i guess there's someone in uh and there's a i guess there's a new consultants major project czar
00:05:48.160 yeah who basically reviews it uh with the federal departments indigenous partners and stakeholders
00:05:55.760 and then streamlines the process i don't really understand how they streamline the process i guess
00:06:00.640 they probably get permits and things kind of expedited if they can with the provinces and the
00:06:05.680 parties and then within that said framework you receive a clear guidance and decisions on how to
00:06:11.840 move forward with confidence which is always good and i assume i assume right there's money there's
00:06:20.160 money somewhere in the mix here right i assume you know you put it in we get funding because
00:06:25.200 there's all these new slush funds um you know which so well that's the first thing that i kind of
00:06:32.000 thought as well was uh okay so he's got a list of these new projects some of them which by the way
00:06:37.760 i love that you pointed i thought they were already underway the best of which is the lng
00:06:42.880 canada phase two phase one's already done so we're already doing this we get it yeah but uh what i
00:06:49.280 did notice was okay so this really phase one that was what eight years too late and uh five years
00:06:56.720 late and actually getting completed yeah that one uh but what i noticed was this major projects office
00:07:02.560 okay i think pierre probably is maybe right on this one so now we have another office that isn't fully
00:07:09.520 set up that he's announced that he's going to send emails to right that haven't been appointed anybody
00:07:15.680 he didn't tell us anybody's been appointed to this office that's now going to do these wonderful
00:07:20.880 projects and take on more it's the major projects office it doesn't exist it's not a real thing it's
00:07:28.000 a great acronym i do like the pmo i like that yeah i wish we thought of pmo but i don't really believe
00:07:34.560 like it does sound like a great way to line up uh a bunch of slush funds under one office yeah it seems
00:07:42.640 like you know you we we put a fund together a reserve and then projects come forward and we
00:07:48.720 allocate monies to them the interesting thing so this is where you know back up for a minute because
00:07:53.040 i've been on other shows about this but you know the interesting thing to me is let's get a budget
00:07:58.720 landed first um a budget should allocate monies to projects so when the budget comes out and we're
00:08:06.720 trying to work our way back from our 62 billion dollar deficit that we saw in 24. um we should be
00:08:13.280 working back to minimize that to go down the other way um and then we can make some decisions on which
00:08:19.680 project it's interesting that we're we're now out to major projects before we tackle our budget issue
00:08:27.760 and actually that's should come after we've done sort of an assessment of what we spent previously off
00:08:34.960 the budget and how that did exactly carpet for the horse right so now we're out now we're out trying
00:08:39.840 to figure out products so we're announcing uh tranche one of projects right you know and we're trying to
00:08:47.440 figure those out so and you listen i'm i'm not trying to be hypercritical on this i'm trying to be
00:08:54.400 fair and i and i want to look at this objectively but you know from again a finance perspective the first
00:09:00.560 thing would be is to actually look globally at the budget figure out how much i have to spend and how
00:09:08.240 much i have for projects right so think about your own life your own business your own personal life
00:09:13.120 right i figure out what i need to live right eat drive shelter okay then i figure out how much money
00:09:21.840 i have left how many capital projects i can do how many vacations i can take other things right and i
00:09:28.480 budget them right so i come up with a budget let's back up and do that first well it's like you're
00:09:33.680 right if i'm gonna do some projects around the house i i'm gonna put a roof on uh you know i'm gonna
00:09:38.800 landscape this year okay how does that fit into the budget with everything else we have already got
00:09:43.680 commitments for exactly and that's on on this it's a fair point you know paul it's a fair point because
00:09:50.400 this feels like a shopping list it doesn't really feel like a solutions list if this was all right we're
00:09:57.440 going to put uh more capital into uh diversifying investment into small business and you know
00:10:03.520 following through but these are all major projects of which darlington is already a nuclear project uh
00:10:11.440 uh lng is already a project the foreign copper mine is there are these are it's like they filled
00:10:20.160 the list with projects that are already underway well yeah and you know the promise of elbows up big
00:10:27.120 ideas you know that this didn't cut it right no what are the big ideas here yeah the big guys didn't
00:10:32.640 the big ideas didn't come out so i wasn't really sure i'll be truthful with you i'm not sure if it was
00:10:36.800 a little bit of a misstep so i got to give uh you know a little bit of uh latitude okay um you know
00:10:43.280 maybe thought it was a good idea i you know a couple things that i'd like to kind of point out which i i
00:10:49.440 and this is just my two cents on it both both leaders of both parties right i i would recommend
00:10:57.280 stop having 30 people stand behind you that look really puzzled because that looks kind of goofy
00:11:03.040 it's so funny that you say that because i almost laughed as it was up there people shaking their
00:11:08.240 heads at the wrong moment oh man just a a real mix of people there you know that both crews on both
00:11:14.960 sides like really puzzled with these two leaders right yeah the ones it's interesting before we
00:11:20.160 even get to a budget time the one's talking about a sovereignty bill the other one's talking about a
00:11:26.960 project a major projects office and so i'm like okay you guys are you're not even in the same planet
00:11:33.840 you're not on the same planet and both you're talking about two different things right so you know
00:11:38.480 first things first right housekeeping let's do our housekeeping get our budget in place let's see if
00:11:44.160 both of you can agree all parties that have standing can agree uh quite frankly on a budget
00:11:51.920 right then you can sit down right and figure out what to do now minority government right let's all
00:11:58.960 kind of remember right didn't get enough seats got close but didn't get it minority government we still
00:12:05.360 have to do a little work you know someone has to come on side someone has to say yay or nay it's not
00:12:11.360 it's not just you know hey i'm just going to do what i want um because you didn't get a majority
00:12:16.240 right and so which you know i i think it's positive yep so me again benefit of the doubt right now the
00:12:25.200 public's you know the public polling for the prime minister is good right he's done a really good job
00:12:30.320 at getting the public to stay behind him he's got all the goodwill in the world right now so a little
00:12:36.160 bit of a misstep so that's fine let's figure that out let's try to go forward let's get busy let's
00:12:41.840 get a budget done let's uh you know kind of park this one for a minute it might not been the best
00:12:47.920 idea someone ever had yeah um and let's get into that but okay so now i got to get i mean next week
00:12:56.720 we're going to sit in the house i hope quite frankly i've said this on previous shows i hope we're not going
00:13:03.120 to spend a week of both parties just kind of criticizing each other all week long um because
00:13:09.600 really right now we're in a critical time and one getting up and doing one thing the other doing another
00:13:15.600 thing is not helpful not presenting a budget and then presenting a list of here's what's happening
00:13:21.440 in a dictatorial fashion is not going to lead to peace on the first week in parliament i'm sorry it's
00:13:27.840 just not good i mean am i wrong about this can you tell can you clear this up for me i don't think he
00:13:33.040 can even do this i don't think carney can do this maybe i'm wrong but here's what i i dug up new
00:13:38.640 spending commitments he can't do this without a budget increasing a program from 5 billion to 10
00:13:43.600 billion in lending authority or promising billions for infrastructure it needs parliament to pass that
00:13:49.600 budget the other thing is a binding financial guarantee any guarantees that the government gets out
00:13:55.760 there and puts loans behind it needs uh appropriate uh approval by legislature and then finally permanent
00:14:05.200 structural funding long-term spending must be backed by an appropriation act otherwise it's just an
00:14:13.040 intention which is everything on this list is just an intention so which i don't understand really at
00:14:19.360 this point why you know the strategy on that one is really puzzling why would we get out and do this
00:14:24.560 it doesn't really uh it doesn't look great and and so okay done right park it let's move forward so
00:14:33.440 big ideas right so now we need to come up with some big ideas because that's where we came into that's
00:14:37.520 what we got elected on right i have the background i have i will create the big ideas great you're going
00:14:42.560 to create the big ideas so i've got one let's do ev let's really focus on ev paul well you know okay
00:14:48.720 so right ev let's take that let's just pick that one off for a minute right you want to do ev great
00:14:55.680 right you need to figure out nuclear you need to figure out reactors you need to figure out the power
00:15:02.000 grid the power grid uh if you're going to use ai to do ev quite frankly that takes a ton of power yeah so
00:15:08.560 you need a strategic plan for electricity across all province and coordination of power don't you also
00:15:15.680 need a market to sell these vehicles into well the funny thing is didn't we last week say we're
00:15:21.040 going to relax or defer the requirement for 2026 number of evs into market so kind of the uh and we
00:15:30.240 blew up a deal to actually have a plant here making evs that had nothing to do with us it just
00:15:35.680 didn't make sense because there wasn't enough market for it let's focus on ev though no no i i know
00:15:40.480 but but here's the thing we're already kind of headlong into it we're committed to 50 billion
00:15:45.600 dollars between ontario and quebec so we're in it so i get it and maybe we don't all love it but
00:15:53.280 quite frankly but then if we're gonna figure out large uh country canadian projects right we have to
00:16:03.040 figure out how we do them and therefore electricity on a on a countrywide basis has to be dealt with so i
00:16:09.280 would have rather kind of waited and come up with a full strategy on how to do it now you know coming
00:16:16.240 back to this uh major projects group and everything else the real issue is without both parties or
00:16:24.800 without all parties sitting at the table in some shape or form is it a good idea and probably not to
00:16:31.440 tell you the truth so my recommendation in doing this would have been quite frankly creating a if you're
00:16:38.320 going to create another committee in ottawa would have been committee creating a committee that had
00:16:43.280 representation from all parties so they could sit and talk about the projects before they come forward
00:16:50.400 and talk about some of the challenges whether they be political economic whether it be viable bylaws
00:16:57.760 restrictions uh environment whatever they are indigenous talk about all of them right so figure out 0.99
00:17:05.440 what some of the challenges are for each of the parties and then agree on those ones they can
00:17:10.640 move forward actually move yeah so that that would have been that would have been an elbows up move
00:17:15.360 instead now they're both talking about different projects you have you have one guy going down doing
00:17:21.680 the sovereignty bill and the other guy doing the pmo yeah right or it would have been better if they
00:17:26.160 spent their summer at camp working out a list you're right yeah it would have been great but we didn't do that
00:17:31.440 so and in and not doing that number one we didn't talk about pipelines yeah so you know right away you
00:17:38.240 saw pierre paulia he gets on and he says you know what what happened to pipelines well it's it's nowhere
00:17:46.080 to be seen in the liberal agenda so and the prime minister didn't bring it up you know right now we see
00:17:52.000 a lot going on in alberta with respect to give us a mission caps tell us what we can do all that stuff
00:17:57.440 that's not being addressed at all that's very quiet right now and we're having a little bit of
00:18:01.680 you know dissent uh there's some challenges out there right now people are not happy i was going
00:18:07.680 to say that that process is being stunted i think by probably by uh dissenting voices that are affected
00:18:15.520 by it okay big time yeah big time but but you know again if those groups got around the table they'd
00:18:20.880 say listen we need pipelines somewhere in the equation right so for us to go forward and get behind this
00:18:26.000 so then they have to give and take right you know you want to do so much on the ev side we
00:18:30.720 want to do so much on the pipeline side you know let's meet in middle ground we you know we're already
00:18:35.840 you know quite frankly i i don't think we can get out of ev now because i think we're headlong into ev
00:18:41.920 especially with you know like i said ontario and quebec so like it or don't like it we're into it
00:18:47.360 we're stuck with it yeah we're stuck with it i think it's built quite frankly i understand yeah it's
00:18:52.080 built out massive massive facilities yeah so we're we're done so and then the next thing quite frankly
00:18:59.440 you know we don't address in any of these conversations right now defense that's a good
00:19:04.880 point i don't see i see uh mining gas nuclear and the oddest thing ever to me is uh is the uh terminal
00:19:18.640 container project but i don't see anything here that talks about major infrastructure of our defense
00:19:25.040 or our power grid or our overall uh transportation system in canada except for one idea yeah the speed
00:19:33.760 train which has been an idea quite frankly that's since we were kids yeah this is like the 100th time
00:19:39.200 we've heard about this there's been press conferences you know it's it's been kicked around so long that no
00:19:44.480 one really even they throw it on the table as a you know throw away and i do like the idea of super
00:19:50.080 train though if we could get one i do like it but i said to you the other day that's great okay we'll
00:19:55.600 put this in but why do i just feel like we'll buy this technology from china they make great speed trains
00:20:02.320 there i can imagine we're not building them here in canada well and you know quite frankly if any of the
00:20:08.400 leaders have been on a train lately and they're going from toronto to auto or toronto to montreal
00:20:12.960 they realize they're pretty empty right there's nobody on those trains not a lot of people and
00:20:17.040 by the way if you're listening to this on that train i want you to put your hand up right now
00:20:20.720 and say i'm the only one okay so and the other one i thought was very interesting so we talked about
00:20:27.360 copper right but resource wise you know the ring of fire didn't make the list so i thought that was
00:20:34.160 really kind of wild because quite frankly it has huge impacts on our auto industry yeah um so that one
00:20:39.920 didn't make the list so the whole again if i had to actually uh change this major projects office
00:20:48.320 list i i would have probably started if i had to prioritize i probably would have started off with
00:20:53.680 resources yep you know that would have been my number one tackle yeah and probably that would have
00:20:57.760 been my first tranche and i would have said okay let's just let's take care of resources in the country
00:21:03.040 first because that'll get the economy going because that's the number one thing we have so you know
00:21:08.880 it's like uh the low-lying fruit in any you know negotiation or business plan go get it first
00:21:14.640 right because you want to be making enough money so when you go to the next projects that are a little
00:21:19.200 more riskier you won't fall on your face right makes sense so go to resources first uh deal with all
00:21:25.120 those and then i would have moved on to some other things you know i would have tackled defense i would
00:21:30.160 have tackled um uh transportation all with the thing all with the goals or the uh guidelines of
00:21:39.120 increasing our gdp so rather than doing projects that aren't going to increase our gdp and increase
00:21:45.760 our productivity as a country i would have set some benchmarks so and had those projects measured
00:21:52.160 against those benchmarks so again we want to be more productive we've talked about it on previous shows
00:21:57.520 we are sorely underperforming in our productivity in our gdp metrics well i mean it would do it would
00:22:03.760 do wonders i would assume for our gdp to just be building our own stuff and using our resources
00:22:08.400 exactly right so make sure you do it at home so really that's what we're exactly we keep saying
00:22:13.680 um and then i would have tackled you know uh easy one i would have put together a reduction of
00:22:19.920 regulatory framework committee and a real one that would have went across and worked with the provinces
00:22:26.560 um to keep producing red tape or at least standardize something we're in one province
00:22:32.800 it's one way and you know the other side of the country it's completely different that makes having
00:22:37.840 national builders or national uh industry sector industry leaders uh it's preventative from them
00:22:44.000 doing business yeah yeah i agree yeah i agree you know and all these things while doing them
00:22:49.760 you ask yourself why not so why aren't we doing them so and i'm sitting there thinking to myself okay
00:22:58.000 if i'm in his shoes because you gotta you have to sympathize you know there's a lot going on um
00:23:02.560 it's a big uh he's tackling a big challenge the prime minister which i appreciate he's got a lot going on
00:23:09.120 you know but again he's got all this public goodwill his caucus quite frankly what can they say without
00:23:18.560 him they wouldn't have been anywhere right so it's not like they're all speaking just as surprised as
00:23:23.440 anybody that they're sitting there with jobs actually many of them exactly and they should be
00:23:27.280 grateful and quite frankly he should be telling them that that you know for now you need to ride my
00:23:32.080 coattails because i got you here i got you to the party yeah so relax let me dance for a while
00:23:39.040 and i need to get this back in order so yes they should all kind of sit down and he shouldn't be
00:23:44.320 having to negotiate it really feels like we're kind of negotiating our own party internally now for
00:23:49.760 some reason so this seems like we're not really dealing with the public and we're not dealing
00:23:54.400 with the conservatives or any other party we're dealing with our own internal issues right now so
00:23:58.960 it looks like they're at a cabinet table and someone's saying you know i want electric vehicles
00:24:03.840 and i i want carbon uh mandates back and i you know it looks like all this is coming back i really
00:24:11.440 don't think he should be not that he shouldn't be listening but quite frankly should he be entertaining
00:24:17.040 them at this point no i don't think so i i think you have to say listen guys i i have to get the country
00:24:22.880 back i have a plan that i have to yeah i have to focus on i i do think that it would have been
00:24:28.160 interesting to see uh and there's no reason for the for the pm to do this but it would have been
00:24:34.240 interesting to see him as a leader of a party and the country and peer polyev actually have an accord
00:24:41.200 for the moment that says okay can we create a justified list together that works you know yeah
00:24:49.360 but the problem is once they do that you've got one side screaming for a budget that the other one
00:24:54.240 doesn't have prepared that is based on spending the the year before that doesn't or the term before
00:25:00.880 that still hasn't been delivered so there's never there's no basis there's no level playing field for
00:25:07.120 us to work on yeah there's some catch-up right we have a we have some big catch-up to do but quite
00:25:13.040 frankly we should be doing that now um before we move forward and then once we get that out of the way
00:25:18.560 then we can sit down and figure out the projects but report on what's happened sit down figure it out
00:25:25.520 forget all these you know single new committees and then move forward and and get some consensus
00:25:32.400 on what the project should be well i remain confused about what the uh canadian sovereignty act will be
00:25:40.960 and i remain confused about what the major pro projects office will do but it's nice to hear
00:25:48.400 that there's an office involved in that these will not be bureaucrats working from home i'm assuming
00:25:52.880 they're going to have to go to the office then i hope so and you know what mike i i for all of you
00:25:57.520 listening today i i hope you get a chance to watch i did a few shows uh on uh the budgets the 2024 budgets
00:26:05.520 before they they sit next week i hope you get some time please listen to them you know and uh
00:26:13.120 i'll vouch for this it's a great primer you'll understand much better how our spending has worked
00:26:19.360 it may enrage you to know the truth but at least you'll know going into this uh new term uh with
00:26:26.960 the new prime minister and uh this session where we stand it's very good i really loved it let's figure
00:26:32.800 out the set point of where we're at and then move forward but please watch and subscribe and and
00:26:38.560 we look forward to catching up next week when we see the new development gosh paul you're good with
00:26:43.440 the numbers huh ah not bad thank you thank you