True Patriot Love - Conservative Leadership Crisis： Can Poilievre Survive？

00:00:00.000 look at us just a couple of weeks out from the conservative party convention in calgary at the

00:00:09.700 federal level to see what the review is on pierre pauliev and what some of the possibilities could

00:00:15.740 be if he was to exit the position of leader of the party and to talk about that i'm delighted

00:00:22.380 paul micucci's here and jim lang is here how's it going uh guys thanks for doing a round table on

00:00:27.520 this because although this might be somewhat fantastical in its nature of discussion is it

00:00:34.160 really no no if you if i may i as a matter of fact i think the conversations this is a real tipping

00:00:42.020 point for the federal conservatives what to do all the polls are showing federally the conservatives

00:00:49.500 and liberals very very close within one or two percentage points but the gulf between carney's

00:00:55.140 likability and pauliev's is massive you it's we'd be naive not to think that the power brokers of

00:01:02.080 the conservative party of canada are not thinking if we had that person running the party what would

00:01:07.500 the numbers be they have to say that oh yeah they have to and and you know it's interesting coming

00:01:12.360 out of the their convention coming out of it they have to give him if they're going to keep him as

00:01:17.680 leader they have to give him direction on how they want to conduct themselves yes the policies they want

00:01:25.400 to get behind um and i think it's a unique opportunity because you know when the election

00:01:30.500 happened terrorists were everything and he stuck on his main mantra you know build the homes act the

00:01:37.600 tax you know affordability fight the crime fight the crime yeah so there was you know he stuck on it

00:01:42.760 and that was a direction that they wanted to move towards in the election now with this western

00:01:49.480 hemisphere domination and a lot more at stake than just tariffs tariffs is one little piece of the

00:01:56.520 whole plan now so he's coming into this and they're going to have to look at it and say okay yeah we can

00:02:02.460 go back and be tough on tariffs that's fine but it's now tough on a lot of things because you really

00:02:07.800 have to figure out what you're going to do how you're going to play and when you go when the parliament

00:02:11.660 sits again when you go back into uh the session starts he has to figure out how he wants to conduct

00:02:17.480 himself and that's the direction because he didn't have that he kind of after the election

00:02:22.380 he went quiet you didn't hear as much we would have conversations where we were like wow he really

00:02:28.820 doesn't have an opinion anymore does he but then he got his seat in alberta yes and then it was the

00:02:34.640 same old polyev but then jenny byrne was shown the door yes and they have new people around him

00:02:41.320 sort of steering the ship yeah steve outhouse came in right and that's going to be a real x factor

00:02:47.380 going to the convention and throughout the rest of 2026 how much that changes polyev his perception

00:02:53.700 because right now the perception in canada fair or not hasn't changed well i will tell you this uh we

00:02:58.700 are headed to calgary for the convention not that we've received media passes or anything yet

00:03:03.880 not that that will stop us either uh but we'll be there having a chat with a number of people

00:03:09.600 uh both on the conservative and the opposing side uh that revolves around this discussion because

00:03:15.960 something obviously needs to change uh in a recent poll i found this to be almost

00:03:21.540 it this i found shocking uh the likelihood of voting conservative should pierre polyev no longer

00:03:28.060 be party leader this is an abacus poll that took place and you know how i feel about the polls

00:03:32.680 but i'll give you the data anyway 29 percent of people in canada are more likely to vote

00:03:38.660 conservative 12 percent less likely um if pierre polyev is replaced 29 percent more likely that's the

00:03:45.820 election yeah yeah if whomever the leader is because of the last election was so close 29 percent that's

00:03:52.240 a they're the ruling government well now i guess at this convention the uh the executive of the

00:03:58.420 leadership sits down and they have a discussion and and a review takes place what do you think

00:04:03.000 happens at that review first of all what do you think the discussion points are oh wow well it's

00:04:08.520 policies so the first thing they're going to talk about in the amongst the general membership is how

00:04:14.520 they feel about certain policies so they're going to talk about uh made they're going to talk about

00:04:19.420 dei they're going to talk about a bunch of stuff pipelines pipelines what their position is on all

00:04:23.980 those policies and is it the right position is that what the membership supports is that what they

00:04:29.480 want him to go forward with um you know that's prior to the vote so that's you know a day of just

00:04:35.040 going through what the platform is why it is what it is and just to get the climate of the group

00:04:41.240 gentlemen you alluded to some other factors in the world now leading into the convention

00:04:47.440 i mean let's face it the american military and their elite tier one operators went in there

00:04:54.100 grabbed maduro and his wife and took control of venezuela in hours and no matter what denmark says

00:05:00.720 or nato says they could do the same thing to greenland by lunchtime with where they already have a

00:05:06.260 military presence there i almost wonder by the time that we put this out greenland might have already

00:05:11.020 been uh invaded so the the the what donald trump now calls the dunro doctrine which is a take on

00:05:19.220 the monroe doctrine from the 1800s in his vision they want all of north america usa canada greenland

00:05:27.360 and now venezuela all under their sphere with their resources and oil and minerals and whatnot so

00:05:33.380 there has to be some hard questions about polygave if you're prime minister if you're running the party

00:05:39.420 how do you handle that because fair or not this is not conspiracy theory this is we're seeing in

00:05:47.300 real time what's happening in venezuela and how open trump is about his future canada could be next

00:05:53.460 we also see our prime minister making no strategic headway in other countries so far uh and he's headed

00:06:01.760 to countries already that trump is saying in his national defense strategy he doesn't want us visiting

00:06:08.000 with uh and so our policy as canadians under one leadership might come under question heavier than

00:06:15.080 ever heavier definitely than in the last 10 years we've seen and it's really the time where the

00:06:21.440 conservative party it could be theirs to lose again well remember so we're maybe or potentially a few

00:06:29.140 short months from another election absolutely you know because you have budgets coming up again and

00:06:33.720 so you have the whole uh session starting again budget starting again you have all that and will

00:06:40.720 given this climate he'll be able to get the votes to get it passed and when it happened before so the

00:06:48.280 last budget was kind of like let let it pass and we'll wait and see how he does since then though

00:06:53.820 yeah okay christian freeland stepped aside it's going to be a by-election yeah there's already been a

00:06:59.840 number of mps who have come forward saying they've been recruited ndp and conservatives and they said

00:07:06.520 thanks but no thanks right yes so that has to tell you that carney and the liberals aren't convinced

00:07:11.860 they'll get another vote through yeah the backdoor dealing i think is over for uh control um in

00:07:17.840 parliament i wonder and it's funny paul you bring this point up i wonder with all of these uh scrutinies

00:07:25.340 being placed on the budget suddenly we got a new budget the budget was completely different than

00:07:29.740 one we've seen historically in canada i think even the experts have just finished digesting that

00:07:35.800 we've then seen what moves carney has made and will they align with the budget that he presented us

00:07:43.420 if not you're right he could be really under a lot of pressure it already does there could be a vote

00:07:49.240 of non-confidence yeah it already doesn't right the fact that venezuela now is under control of the u.s

00:07:54.960 puts major pressure on what to do with the oil and gas yeah um and what to do with resources

00:08:01.320 there's been a number of announcements you know we're doing another show on it so i won't

00:08:05.200 circumvent the show but uh there's a number of announcements came out of major resource fines

00:08:10.980 so a lot of countries are ahead of us on the resource development side and now we're planning to

00:08:15.900 catch up and they're jumping right whether it be china or whether it be gold or lithium their

00:08:21.060 discovery to mining uh timeline is so drastically different than ours because we have such net net

00:08:27.340 zero and so much red tape to to cut through yes australia uh many euro countries that are are just

00:08:34.680 making discoveries right now china is absolutely killing it with gold at the moment right and

00:08:40.280 they're just getting into the ground exactly so you know we have some decisions to make because

00:08:45.520 we're either going to be in that market or in a big way and compete or we're not or we're going to

00:08:50.480 be too late to the party and that's not going to be part of the equation so those are all the things

00:08:55.020 he's got now that we didn't have in the last election and that's such a short period you think

00:09:00.560 about it the number of announcements since the election the venezuela as you mentioned and the

00:09:06.560 invasion by the u.s all these things weren't even there so now as if i'm going to the convention i'm the

00:09:13.140 conservative party i'm now sitting down and saying okay time out how much do these things mean am i

00:09:19.860 going to micromanage the policies here so i you know and i'm not i'm not calling them when i say micro

00:09:25.960 i don't mean they're small in the fact that to people's lives but in the big picture of things

00:09:32.600 i think people are going to want to know what we're going to do on the global stage and how we're going

00:09:38.340 to compete before they're worried about affordable housing and you know not that you know you really

00:09:44.740 you're right the focus suddenly just changed dramatically yeah so you know how do we keep

00:09:48.480 our sovereignty how do we uh start to compete globally these really become matters to everyday

00:09:54.280 canadians so you yeah mike you're at the inner circle of the convention and you turn to paul one of

00:09:58.820 the power brokers and you say let's be honest if the election happened and paul he had won could he

00:10:06.160 handle trump in the current climate we are in the world that's the question because it was before

00:10:11.240 tariffs and that now we're looking at whomever is voted and decided that they should be the next

00:10:18.180 leader the conservatives because we believe if they're elected prime minister they are best capable

00:10:23.500 of handling trump and what's going on in the world right now let me ask you this question in response

00:10:28.940 do you think that pierre polyev could switch from cheeky combative mode to uh diplomatic

00:10:37.960 world leader mode no and if he doesn't how much does trump like a cheeky leader and we've seen this

00:10:44.980 a couple of times now zelinski being one of them so the risk to canada is that the personality doesn't

00:10:51.800 match with trump and sadly that makes a huge difference and and personality is matching and still being able to

00:10:58.820 to be forceful and maintain your position with trump that's a real skill that i don't think we're

00:11:04.840 seeing mastered by many yeah like paul you mentioned it in a few shows we were stunned i was stunned that

00:11:11.380 when he came back to the house of commons after being re-elected he didn't change no the theatrics were

00:11:17.320 the same it was still high school juvenile tactics and i think a lot of people went oh no he didn't learn

00:11:23.320 a thing so how why you know this is the big question in a couple weeks okay so we've justified

00:11:28.600 it there's probably a chance there's at least a chance that yeah the leadership review uh comes back

00:11:34.300 uh and and votes down polyev and then we go to a leadership election um so now abacus takes one step

00:11:43.600 further and they take this uh poll and they ask people okay if not polyev who do you think would

00:11:50.780 be the best leader for the conservative party in canada and uh the top five some of them not not

00:11:57.880 that big a surprise number one with 34 percent would never take the position i don't believe

00:12:03.720 stephen harper no people still have love in their heart for stephen harper in a big way yeah

00:12:08.640 yeah yeah well you know stable uh quiet statesman statesman yeah you know not overstated didn't

00:12:16.140 over speak no theatrics controlled the media very well you know wasn't out there flamboyantly waving

00:12:22.100 around and uh people people like them and and success and a record of success you know that that

00:12:28.640 the truth when the economy grows and the productivity grows oil flows all those things happen people are

00:12:35.340 happy but paul from your background in economics and finance he had the brains to delegate to jim

00:12:40.760 flarity oh yeah and and they made a nice team yeah they did they did a very good team their strengths

00:12:46.800 were totally different and and that's what made you know the country a success at the time but a very

00:12:52.820 understated success there wasn't a lot of theatrics and the stability was really you know i have to say

00:12:59.600 part of that era was it was just stable the federal government was there they're doing their thing they

00:13:04.780 were paving the way they were finding ways to you know get things and and lubricate the skid so

00:13:10.680 things moved along and and your life was a lot easier the red tape was not there now on that note

00:13:18.380 stephen harper alongside a trump or a macron or anybody uh on the world stage i think is met with

00:13:25.320 probably a more calm more reasonable once again stephen harper if you want to consider it go right

00:13:31.120 ahead but uh you you're certainly in the lead in popularity according to this poll uh number two

00:13:37.040 is worth discussion among all of us as we have speculated this as a group for some time doug ford

00:13:43.520 31 percent um jason kenny 30 carolyn mulrooney uh 29 and michelle rumple garner at 28 percent uh if you

00:13:55.180 wanted to go beyond that tim houston mark mulrooney around 27 percent each so having said that

00:14:02.380 the real number one on this list according to canadians would be doug ford yeah yeah yeah well

00:14:11.380 you know loved by the people for sure you know not without some words uh but loved by the people

00:14:19.020 yeah and uh you know had some challenges definitely on certain files that have come back to bite him a

00:14:26.060 couple times in ontario but the people have forgiven him um and he's got a you know the popular vote in

00:14:32.120 ontario is very high it's it's you just nailed it right there paul in a nutshell despite all his

00:14:39.360 pitfalls despite controversy despite how he's perceived him everyone says i hate him three straight

00:14:45.820 majorities yeah they love the party right they love the party and they they like kind of the the

00:14:51.540 folksy manner with which he conducts himself and you know being forgiving of someone who once in a

00:14:57.700 while says well i don't get it right i go back and try it again so he and that's it's what he's told

00:15:03.180 the people the people are fine with it uh but you if i'm federally the conservatives and i see his

00:15:08.740 success in ontario and ontario is the key to the next federal election i can see why they're thinking

00:15:15.420 long and hard about it well i would imagine that it's so funny because his uh convention and the

00:15:22.480 federal convention are right on top of each other so he won't even he won't visit calgary i'm sure or

00:15:28.840 have anything to do with that um do you think do you think that his lack of presence at the convention

00:15:34.940 uh sort of signifies i'm i'm not in the i'm not in the race no no a lot of times the premiers don't

00:15:41.900 go to the convention but one of the things it does cause a challenge for it pulls a bunch of

00:15:45.900 people who might have gone uh to make a decision i'm going to go to his or i'm going to go to calgary

00:15:52.120 so it does pull some people away uh which maybe that is the deciding vote maybe that is one of the

00:15:58.040 strategy what is it and hey i'm not going to rock the boat he could say well i stayed away

00:16:04.860 the people want me what can i do yeah like so now his hands are clean like well i didn't go there

00:16:10.660 they have they asked for me yeah it wouldn't shock me now i i ask you this question that we've kind of

00:16:16.560 put everybody the same lens that we put in front of everybody how does he do uh in a federal election

00:16:21.800 against carney and how does he do if elected with the global stage in your opinion he would do well

00:16:30.180 in small town rural canada in the west in ontario the big cities uh the inner cities it would be a

00:16:39.180 struggle i mean it doesn't really matter who the leader is those key liberal writings in central

00:16:46.020 montreal toronto big cities like that they're going to go to the liberal leader yeah but can he get

00:16:51.780 enough of the other writings in the maritimes will it play well in the maritime i think he plays well in

00:16:57.180 the maritimes to be honest with you i think that same folksy i think he would well and if he doesn't

00:17:03.020 do what pauliev does and starts the election by garnering the support of tim houston and scott mole

00:17:10.180 and all the other premiers and get behind it and have that support that could make a big difference

00:17:16.120 i mean ford nation right right seriously well the premier conferences and having him as the lead has

00:17:22.160 been a a big a big boost for him personally with them because they're seeing him as a leader of the

00:17:29.140 group they're seeing building relationships he's building all those relationships he has time to

00:17:33.080 have dinner with them yeah so it's been a smart move i think you know putting that together and

00:17:38.160 getting them to meet so frequently uh has been has been good for him if that is something he wants to do

00:17:44.920 and he's been quiet about it you haven't heard much so which tells me that that you know if he's quiet

00:17:51.400 about it and we haven't heard much that tells me that maybe something's being worked on behind the

00:17:56.080 scenes well and purposely everything's the lids being kept on there didn't you guys just say to

00:18:00.380 me before the show cory tenecki's headed west uh yes he is yeah yeah yeah that sounds like a shoring 0.70

00:18:05.520 up to me well it sure helps right so if you help the conservative leader in bc yeah you get some more

00:18:11.560 votes and you turn the tide definitely helpful if he comes through because that's just another feather in

00:18:16.660 his cap so smart move uh they're you know those two are very tight uh they were and had a lot of

00:18:23.320 success together but they've had a lot of success and i think they understand that they need to do

00:18:27.900 better uh in bc so yeah it's a good move it'll be fascinating because there has to be other people

00:18:36.000 around the country even looking at objectively even if you don't care where the poly of wins or not

00:18:41.120 if he didn't change after losing and is basically the same person it was the definition of insanity

00:18:47.160 doing the same thing expecting a different result it'd be pretty weird to see a different poly up to

00:18:51.380 that point though right wouldn't you be like what what if he said like hey i i lost i'm humbled

00:18:57.220 you know that happens to people after they lose i've got to take a new tax i'm taking you know

00:19:02.620 and maybe he'd be perceived differently but there's no reason to perceive him differently

00:19:07.060 well but can i throw and i'm gonna add a component sure so part of the importance of the upcoming

00:19:14.180 few days is that the membership has to provide him direction and guidance for him to go forward so

00:19:22.820 i think what's important for them as a conservative party is they need to sit down and they need to talk

00:19:28.340 about that i agree because you know sometimes it got criticized for being too tough you know too

00:19:36.180 too militant you know looking too serious and so they have to say to him you know we want a softer

00:19:41.620 or quite frankly you know given the times we might want you to go harder yeah right we might want you to

00:19:48.180 be more aggressive now because canadians need that strength and it do they feel that there's a gap and

00:19:53.620 that they need to be more aggressive uh to take leadership to to win an election and that's something

00:19:59.700 that they have to share and and the the board and the membership have to vote on and and whether or

00:20:06.580 not he gets an overwhelming vote whether he gets uh you know just eats by uh whether or not they think

00:20:13.700 that they want him to stay or not after they're done all said and done if he does stay they really

00:20:18.820 have to give him some guidance because i i think a little bit um where he got put in the middle is he

00:20:25.700 came up with an approach people were going to rallies supporting those rallies pushing him

00:20:31.620 forward rah rah rah but they weren't voting like they were there you know that that's it didn't

00:20:38.260 translate to see translate to seats right and they did a lot better so i give them that you know they

00:20:43.300 got way more seats well they did great in the places where they really reached out to the community

00:20:47.860 really reached out to community right but but is that going to resonate and given the change of

00:20:53.540 climate is it going to resonate more now or less now that's really going to make this and that is

00:20:58.980 the you know we can we can look to him to say it's all on him but really is it is the membership and

00:21:05.940 the committee that really has to give them that guidance because that decision that they make to push

00:21:11.780 that forward will decide the future of the party that will decide it's such a brilliant point

00:21:17.940 in your part think about the transition from the liberals dead in the water yep trudeau leaves

00:21:24.900 incomes carney they make a decision we're going to go elbows up team canada and they won the election

00:21:31.940 and they all stuck to it yeah with really a pr campaign right and that was totally appeared with

00:21:37.540 this crazy thing about that with mike myers and all the commercial yeah they got totally away from

00:21:43.460 policy yeah i don't think any of us had heard mark carney's voice to be honest with you and then

00:21:49.460 he said commercials yeah he said stephen colbert well and you know i'm sitting having dinner with

00:21:54.420 people and they're saying to me well you know he was a good business person so we should let him lead

00:21:58.820 and i'm like but i want to hear his policies i don't want to hear that all i just want to hear what

00:22:03.060 we're going to do but you wonder how you want a popular vote that way it's wild but the liberals had a

00:22:08.180 plan to paul's point and they stuck to it let's do it but that's gone see here's the here's the

00:22:12.580 interesting dynamic in this which the conservative party i don't know if they're going to focus on

00:22:16.980 they don't have any idea but if i'm sitting in their shoes i would i'm like okay that was then

00:22:23.300 that was the climate we're in we're in a new climate now wherever so our approach and whoever

00:22:28.740 takes the right approach on this one for canadians how they're feeling will win if an election is

00:22:33.700 triggered in the spring all i can think is she must not want to do it at all because the one

00:22:40.020 name that's not on this list i noticed is daniel smith and i was wearing my calgary jacket

00:22:47.220 i was like you have out there you go to cowboys later i hope i see daniel smith and i hope we get

00:22:51.540 an interview so i wore my jacket and yeah well you know what at the very least you should be campaign

00:22:56.260 managing for her uh but it's interesting to me because she has done uh so much on the west coast

00:23:03.700 for not just creating an identity but creating a sort of a protection around an entire province

00:23:11.460 dealing directly with the u.s on on you know uh clever terms as best she can and really uh kind

00:23:19.620 of representing canada as one of the more stable voices but would she play in eastern canada would she

00:23:25.780 i don't know would she get enough support in ontario and eastern canada to win an election

00:23:30.740 that's the hard question that has to be asked well she's nothing against her but you have to think

00:23:34.820 realistically would she get enough seats well i think she communicates better than almost any party

00:23:40.660 leader that i've seen in a long time on her feet love him or hate him doug ford has got a way to connect

00:23:46.260 to the average person that we've not seen in canadian politics in a long time now i can see that

00:23:51.540 what i could see also is both doug ford and in in the opposition uh moment of this i could see both

00:24:02.500 of them dealing well with whatever prime minister is in place and whatever government is in front of

00:24:07.140 them they both tend to have a desire to get to the table and get things done so it just it's

00:24:14.020 ford had mark carney to his house for dr cottage and they had a barbecue so yeah that would be they

00:24:19.620 would get along well so i think that it just shocked me a little bit that i guess danielle

00:24:24.420 smith has no desire there's no rumbling she's made well no bones about no rumors ever so carolyn

00:24:30.980 mulroney yeah but not danielle smith which to me is i find that bizarre well she's fluently bilingual 1.00

00:24:37.700 carolyn mulroney and she has the mulroney legacy the brand the brand so the brand and the fact she's

00:24:43.380 fluently bilingual that's one reason the name is being mentioned yeah it's you i mean you have

00:24:49.540 to win some seats in quebec i would say but the other thing is i don't know that brand name means all

00:24:55.140 that much uh in in this scenario now i think you're right we're in a different you know we're

00:25:00.420 in a different different atmosphere globally certainly nationally we're watching over a budget

00:25:05.780 that's leaving people unable to feed themselves unable to get into a home all of these issues that

00:25:11.060 we have and at the same time i think what we want is somebody with a policy well and you know look at

00:25:18.580 the position she's in right now so it's very interesting alberta's in this middle position

00:25:24.100 right now with venezuela and the oil production coming and everything happening and you know the

00:25:30.660 fact that he's going to look at columbia and cuba and all these places so now if i'm sitting in their

00:25:37.380 shoes i'm thinking to myself i need an opinion on what we're going to do here or maybe i have to go

00:25:43.380 up so if you're daniel smith yeah maybe i have to go up like if i'm sitting here i'm no one wants to

00:25:49.940 be a sitting duck right so either they have to move or but if she can kind of deal with that memorandum 0.99

00:25:57.060 of understanding with carney and get the pipeline to the bc coast does that save her job well it's

00:26:02.420 interesting because i don't know if you noticed today before he flew to china he went and met with

00:26:07.940 the coastal right first nations yes right so i think he understands that also i think he understands

00:26:15.700 the fact that he's got to cut a deal keep her at bay and the last thing he wants is her either going

00:26:22.980 up trying to come up because she has nowhere to go you know the the province she has somewhere to go 1.00

00:26:28.500 but i mean the province is stuck it keeps them happy keeps well it gets a deal done and they sort

00:26:33.700 of secures them from you know saying to her we need you to run because quite frankly if pierre doesn't

00:26:40.820 get the nod um if you don't we're going to be foobarred and she goes up to get it done she goes up and

00:26:47.460 tries and which then that becomes kind of a tough race because then if you have potentially doug ford and

00:26:54.420 her and they're both coming up and they're both coming across the worst thing that can happen to

00:26:59.780 carney is they co-join yes so they decide to kind of enter into a kind of a one-two relationship and

00:27:08.900 because they do like each other they get along well yeah yeah they seem to get along well at the

00:27:12.820 premier's events they're in you know on camera they seem to get along well so quite frankly and

00:27:18.500 it does if carney gets that resolved the the you know the coastal first nations

00:27:25.780 quite frankly are one of those groups that should be fairly easy to deal with and dan mctagg on one

00:27:31.700 of her earlier shows he did say that the prime minister has executive powers that he can override

00:27:37.780 eb and if he has a deal with the coastal first nations and he has the memorandum of understanding the

00:27:43.300 pipeline will get built and then get to the markets of indonesia and japan and south korea who

00:27:48.260 are begging for our oil right yeah which now is the time if you're gonna go because if you don't

00:27:54.740 do that there's no way he can go to this spring without something in the bay no we definitely made

00:27:59.300 a major project online by the time that has to be resolved so you know he's got a few months left

00:28:07.380 you know we're in january now so he's you know he's skating because he's got to get there and he's

00:28:12.900 got to get that resolved if he doesn't get a resolve and it gets to uh budget time election

00:28:17.860 happens and people are going to say well you didn't you just didn't get those issues off the

00:28:22.260 table your major projects really were stuff that was happening anyways he's going to get a lot of

00:28:27.060 criticism he so i think he saw that today as a key and why would you fly to bc before flying to

00:28:36.500 you wouldn't take the time no he really made a round trip basically to do that and i think this is

00:28:42.420 where we and you've talked about it both you gentlemen that mark carney this is being in high

00:28:48.660 finance and hedge funds and the head of a bank for four decades understanding this has to happen to

00:28:54.900 get this done and then this and then you get that that that that's that's a pretty shrewd move in his

00:29:00.420 part you know the uh the one thing that i will say about looking for the right leader for the

00:29:05.940 conservative party is i think whoever it is really does need to be working uh in lockstep with whomever

00:29:13.620 is in power and if they if we have to get a conservative government they need to be ready

00:29:18.740 to work in lockstep with all of the areas in canada that are uh you know polarized politically because

00:29:26.820 now that is what canadians want i think that we're less polarized than ever have you noticed guys as we do

00:29:33.060 these shows yeah we seem to be coming closer and closer and closer to consensus of common sense

00:29:40.340 and i think that's where canadians that's why we get the response that we get because

00:29:44.660 we're having discussions that are in line with the common sense discussions canadians are having

00:29:49.780 every day about what we should be doing next in this country and mike i mean every day you're seeing a

00:29:54.580 story venezuela what's happening in iran all these other countries we're like we have to protect what we

00:30:00.660 have we you say the consensus let's let's do something let's have win-win deals break down

00:30:08.100 provincial trade barriers let's get pipeline get stuff built and help each other well i think if

00:30:14.100 that's not happening by the spring then we are really down the barrel elections so yeah you know

00:30:19.140 it'll be interesting to see what happens i think that you're right paul a new set of policies and

00:30:24.900 approaches have to come out of this convention at the federal level for the conservative at least

00:30:29.060 at the very least at the very least uh and i've got it you're going to write in daniel smith on the

00:30:33.380 ballot yourself um spolumbo's fine foods and deli in calgary former cfl lineman johnny spolumbo

00:30:40.900 and it's his mom's italian from the old country sugo recipe and it's some great deli sandwiches so

00:30:47.060 when you guys are at the convention spolumbo's fine food yeah good guy in the room okay and something

00:30:54.020 duly noted we'll say that you sent us yeah yeah i show respect look we'll see you from calgary

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True Patriot Love - January 18, 2026

Conservative Leadership Crisis： Can Poilievre Survive？

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