00:05:31.960I mean, agree or disagree with the man, no matter what you think of America right now.
00:05:37.680I would rather sit with him and talk to Jameson Greer than Howard Lutnick or any of Bessent or any of those other people right now because he comes across as someone reasonable.
00:05:46.100but i mark carney did say canada was not going to capitulate on the major issues at least not right
00:05:53.140now and you would send us a poll angus reed over 75 of the polls people pulled of canadians agree
00:06:02.100with canada's response to these negotiations so carney has 50 plus well beyond that approval
00:06:10.180rating the liberals are polling at a super majority and they're looking at internal and
00:06:15.540external polling showing the majority of canadians agree with their stance and what they're doing
00:06:20.340canadians now americans don't look at it this way at all but canadians for a large part feel they're
00:06:25.620under attack and carniness negotiators are trying to protect us well could i ask if that is an
00:06:32.420incentive to throw a cog in the uh the machine so to say if you know that every time you and trump
00:06:41.060or you and the American administration in general
00:07:09.000that that would be you'd be silly not to liam well and that's that's that's what i've kind of
00:07:13.920thought about this in terms of even when we look at the the original election uh you know getting
00:07:19.680carney into office was that was the that was the number one issue so it kind of kind of seems like
00:07:25.380every time the the liberal party wants to rile up their base then they can just kind of essentially
00:07:30.500create that that conflict and uh and yeah you see it reflected in the polls where people do
00:07:36.380rally behind them and so i like i for me i think that that that definitely plays plays a deciding
00:07:43.760factor oh sure it does it sure it does but you know a lot of um it's it's a lot of it's propaganda
00:07:51.500right so you know we get it you know uh there's a fight going on quite frankly come out but you
00:07:58.380know if you look at the by elections for example it didn't uh stimulate more people to come vote
00:08:06.100so it's interesting they did get the majority of the vote but a very overwhelming majority
00:08:11.780a very small turnout i have a i'm going to throw it up on the screen i have a graph i'm going to
00:08:16.260throw up at the bar chart thank you suya for putting that together for me 57 of the eligible
00:08:23.220voters did not come out to vote so in late august well jim but it doesn't so okay so but we can't
00:08:30.900suck and blow a little bit right because we're making we're making the we're making the statement
00:08:35.060that this has caused a huge surge in patriotism based on the u.s canadian tariff i hate saying
00:08:42.820worse challenge right so quite frankly they were saying that's it but that didn't instigate or
00:08:49.220stimulate people to come vote so the voting numbers are still the same and only 20 so overall
00:08:56.420three by-elections 23 percent is the amount of people they got of eligible voters to come vote
00:09:02.500them in wow but that's it that's it yes over 50 voted liberal at all three writings in different
00:09:10.340areas i know but then you're now you're jerry rigging the numbers you're you're rigging the
00:09:14.420numbers again what you're doing is you're playing with the numbers right like they do so they said
00:09:18.420yeah 50 of the people voted for them don't know they do the same thing 57 of the people didn't
00:09:25.700come vote yeah but in interior the turnout was equally was worse worse and then doug ford won
00:09:31.780two or three seats when everyone thought he was toast right well i don't know you know that's
00:09:36.260another yeah another show for another day but you know what we're saying to say that this has caused
00:09:42.420this surge of support well it really had it right it didn't cause it didn't cause people to come
00:09:48.180back off their vacation didn't cause people to leave work it didn't cause people to go vote it
00:09:53.220didn't cause much right it gave you basically the same outcome that basically they had before
00:09:59.220and so that's where we're at so i don't know if that really is i know we like to pretend that
00:10:03.540did but it didn't right or i'm just going to throw it out to you liam is that the electorate the
00:10:08.820average canadian fatigue fatigue of politics fatigue of elections i think that's like i've
00:10:14.500had it i don't i don't give a crap i'm just not going to show up okay so all right so follow that
00:10:19.380so because then then all these polls that say people want him to do that the 4 000 people that
00:10:26.180are polled however they're polled are saying we want them to you know go toe-to-toe with
00:10:31.860americans go to i don't know you know quite frankly that that election result which is
00:10:38.340more indicative than a poll because it covers a bigger number doesn't say that right so that's
00:10:44.020what it does it doesn't but the people that showed up over 50 voted for carney in the liberal way
00:10:49.380i know but only it's not a matter of only 40 percent of the people that could eligibility vote
00:10:54.340voted jim and so yeah 23 of those 40 yeah slightly more supported them i get it but it's but it's not
00:11:02.100an overwhelming like it's it's not like a bunch of people came running down the street to vote
00:11:06.340because they wanted to get their vote in because they wanted to make sure their their voice was
00:11:10.180heard right so but here's the thing let me take you down another road because this is a i know
00:11:16.980this is tough for everyone here's the other thing they do have a majority government right so if
00:11:25.700they don't want to negotiate with the americans right that's their right that's that's why we live
00:11:32.260in a democratic society that's why we we're canadian we've we've all voted we have good or
00:11:38.180bad whether you know quite frankly unfortunately i would like to i you know i've said this on shows
00:11:42.980i would like to basically have um a day off so everyone could vote so we could get 80 people
00:11:50.660out to vote agreed then we could have an indicative uh well-represented population voting we don't
00:11:56.260have that quite for you i don't think we ever will i don't think there's any interest in that
00:11:59.940other countries do it but we don't want to do it so we're going to have poor voter turnouts
00:12:04.900so if those poor voter turnouts determine the course of the country and our direction and if
00:12:12.340that's the way it's going to be going forward that's fine so now they decided that they don't
00:12:18.340want to you know the americans have come out they've kind of extended a hand now you know
00:12:22.820jameson greer's all in those talk shows he said you know what i didn't leave the table we didn't
00:12:28.020leave the table you know i don't think letting it scuttled it but you know here's here's the
00:12:34.500you know we don't want globalization we're okay with french language and quite frankly
00:12:41.540when it comes to sovereignty the only thing we don't want is goods coming from other nations
00:12:46.500into canada and then into the us therefore if you're going to do that we're going to keep
00:12:50.660high tariffs on you so they've kind of said they've set those parameters if we say no we don't
00:12:55.140want to do that so we want to deal with other nations we want to try to do all that stuff
00:12:59.700okay then that negotiation's done right as of 1201 a.m on tuesday september the 8th
00:13:07.460carney and canada's counter-terrorists will take effect so we'll really see what happens
00:13:11.700as of tuesday morning that's for sure right well and you know you've been seeing like this like
00:13:17.140shipping is crazy right now trucks everywhere you know uh you're looking at it's funny because the
00:13:23.060number what's a race to beat the devil oh yeah the trade imbalance in the states right now there's so
00:13:27.300many goods going into america right now it's crazy how much money they did they were part of that
00:13:32.980show with uh rosie barton on cbc at the end of it they talked about the huge trade imbalance and i
00:13:38.340think brett bear on fox did too yeah um you know the u.s has a huge amount of importing going on
00:13:43.540right now just because everyone's trying to get in under the wire right because they know it's
00:13:47.460interesting but but you know okay so i'm i'm with you if they decide they don't want to and this is
00:13:54.820our our our liberal government our you know majority government they're saying okay we don't
00:14:01.060they haven't responded to jameson greer okay you don't need you don't need to respond to him so
00:14:07.300you just don't want to do it anymore so that's fine okay what's the next thing
00:14:13.060i think the next thing is a big picture question i mean are we looking at just the negotiation the
00:14:18.180next month are we looking at rewriting canada's course of action economically pre-free trade with
00:14:24.900buying mulrooney when we had other deals we weren't so heavily reliant on the united states
00:14:29.860for the last three decades we've put all our chips on the table basically saying america will always
00:14:35.300be our friend they'll always treat us fairly yeah and we'll do all this massive business well they're
00:14:41.060they're kicking us in the nuts day after day and we're supposed to bend over and take it i don't
00:14:45.460think so but but sorry go ahead well i was just gonna say i think there's there's this kind of
00:14:50.420there's this dual it's kind of a double standard in a sense where we expect america to play nicely
00:14:57.300with canada but then when it comes to things like for instance the fentanyl issues or when we have
00:15:04.020pressure put on us from america in terms of our deals with china and how close we are uh with
00:15:11.220the chinese communist party then all of a sudden we don't really reciprocate that very much and
00:15:17.940even too you know even before trump as well there always has been a especially within the canadian
00:15:24.020ruling class such in like kind of looking down our nose at americans as kind of well they're
00:15:29.860they're barbaric or this or that and so then we kind of we don't i i don't feel like we really
00:15:35.460actually treat or treat that canada america relationship with as much respect as we should
00:15:40.980whether it's trump or anyone else is we kind of take it for granted and then we throw our throw
00:15:47.380our elbows up so to say when they threaten to take it away but yeah it doesn't seem to me like
00:15:53.860we put all that much good good energy and trust in the other direction as well they keep talking
00:15:58.900about china at the same time tim cook and apple everything they sell is made in china like they
00:16:05.300they can make all this huge stuff they sell around the world in china and sell it as american but
00:16:10.740canada isn't allowed to do a deal only america that's where the hypocrisy of the american
00:16:15.380negotiators that's what golfs me liam is they're saying no no no you can't do this you can't do
00:16:19.620that meanwhile we're going to spend another 10 trillion dollars in investment in china so we
00:16:24.960can sell more american goods cheaper like that's where it's become well i think and i think that's
00:16:30.480where the long-term play to re-industrialize america which they constantly talk about and
00:16:36.180to bring manufacturing into america because it's not like you can just at the flick of a switch
00:16:40.500all of a sudden okay we're gonna start producing the iphones over here it's like that infrastructure
00:16:46.340first needs to be uh to be here but then also too when it comes to especially the american and the
00:16:52.100chinese relationship china does have a stranglehold on uh a lot of the rare earth minerals
00:16:59.060in even within the supply chains and stuff too and that's actually what got uh trump to back down
00:17:05.540on his tariffs against china way back was then china was just like all right without them right
00:17:10.340and so and so it's a constant leverage point going back and forth as much as it's it's can't
00:17:16.240really just make a single decision and then just go for it it's kind of going to be constantly
00:17:20.900battling because that's essentially what globalization did over the last you know
00:17:25.560especially over since the 1970s is it intertwined all those economies to such a degree that even if
00:17:32.680you want to unplug it's like it's like when you look behind your computer desk and all the things
00:17:37.060you're like oh everything's tangled right but okay you know like it or not they've figured out
00:17:44.340cars and trucks the americans and they've told us right we don't like it but that's where we're at
00:17:50.100the french language issue they've said quite frankly and you know we can play the clip right
00:17:55.140now on the french language what actually happened on that front because it's not clear to me
00:17:59.940sure so first of all and importantly uh the president trump myself and and the u.s government
00:18:04.660It recognizes the importance and sensitivity of the French language in Canada, in Quebec, in areas in the Maritimes, in some areas.
00:18:13.200And we know that this is quite sensitive and quite important.
00:18:15.680And we actually champion the use of French.
00:18:18.840I mean, that's part of Canadian-Quebecois identity.
00:18:21.880Now, there have been in the past discriminatory laws that target U.S. streaming companies that say you have to give 5% of your earnings to fund your competitors.
00:18:31.260And then there is this issue of discoverability about promoting it.
00:18:33.740This is something where the United States, we always have questions about this.
00:18:37.740This is something we talked about, but we showed a lot of flexibility.
00:18:40.740And our view is there is no way, you know, we would let a good deal go by for something like this.
00:18:46.740They're saying it doesn't matter, right?
00:18:48.740So they're basically saying, you know, they're OK.
00:18:54.740And, you know, we talked about the issue of sovereignty and having not dealing if they're going to deal with China.
00:19:02.460that's fine all done they've kind of wrapped up they put their opinion on the table they left it
00:19:08.460in our court now so we're saying well maybe the midterms will be impacted by us not doing trade
00:19:14.860with them maybe so right now michigan ohio wisconsin pennsylvania are swing states big time
00:19:24.060for the midterms and there are four states that rely heavily on canada u.s trade so
00:19:29.420So in the number of U.S. experts have brought this up that Carney could easily string this along to really affect those swing states to his benefit in the negotiations, because that would hurt the GOP and Trump and the Republicans in a big way, especially if they lose those four states.
00:19:47.000Well, and I've made that point over the last few weeks as well as whether, even just in general, maybe even if Carney isn't trying to push the midterms one way or another, most people are of the opinion that it's going to go in the Democrat favor in both houses.
00:20:07.200Obviously, anything can change between now and then,
00:20:09.560but it's looking like that's where the vote's going to go.
00:20:15.120But who knows, maybe Carney is also just waiting things out
00:20:18.820to get on the other side of those midterms,
00:20:21.220knowing that essentially there'll be more obstacles in Trump's way
00:20:24.500and more people throwing things at him from within his own government.
00:20:30.700He's going to start doing his midterm tour.
00:20:33.440So he is going to go and he's doing his talks
00:20:35.480and he's actually going to go to those states and we're going to see more of them now right and
00:20:40.600so he's going to the states and he's going to talk he's going to be hearing about the economy
00:20:44.520he's going to be hearing from families saying i'd like you to bring my son and daughter home from
00:20:48.520the persian gulf you said 48 hours now we're in september i'd like them home why are we still there
00:20:55.560and that's the problem with trump right now he's got that hanging over his head
00:20:59.240and he can't ignore it yeah i mean that that definitely is a big factor especially within
00:21:04.440within the midterms and i know it's probably pretty much the number one gripe with them but
00:21:08.440you know it is but it's a ball you know it's this one big ball of issues right and that's why
00:21:12.840xi xi ping coming up you know the meeting in the united states where he's coming to meet him it's
00:21:17.240so important because quite frankly how that how the chinese uh deal with the iranians how basically
00:21:24.920we're involved in that quite frankly because shipping of goods to canada so there you know
00:21:29.560that's a that's a key uh negotiation that's going to take place there that's actually going to sort
00:21:35.320of springboard both parties in different directions and maybe cause the impact of the outcome of this
00:21:41.560hopefully in a positive manner so maybe that is the time to go back to the you know and have that
00:21:47.480discussion but you got to remember so just and i i throw that on the table the chinese you know are
00:21:53.240only going to do things for their highest gain so quite frankly uh when it comes to cars when it
00:21:59.800comes to trade the chinese want to bring their cars want to bring their goods want to bring
00:22:04.760you know they're not looking for canadians to you know be exporting they're looking for canadians to
00:22:09.880be importing right and you know that's that's their business model right they're they they are
00:22:15.560uh you know they we import way more things from china than we export to them we know that right
00:22:22.360is there a way to just keep jameson greer in the room and keep the the beset and the
00:22:27.720lutniks and those the fringe group the the radicals and trump's administration out of there
00:22:33.240i really would like to see just jameson gray just talking to the canadians and getting something
00:22:39.560done but but jim i don't want to go back to it but quite frankly they've put their cards on the
00:22:45.880table they wrote their national defense strategy back in last december they basically said they
00:22:50.760wouldn't deal anyone they wanted to control the western hemisphere they wouldn't deal with anyone
00:22:55.800who was not going to buy their goods and and deal with them directly so they put that on the table
00:23:02.920they don't want globalization they put that on the table they want to bring those uh you know
00:23:09.24070 000 plants that they lost over the last decade or whatever it was as jameson grier said they want
00:23:15.400to bring them back to america they put that on the table i don't know if you're going to get them to
00:23:19.880bend on that so if those are i i you know we can have these discussions but they they have been
00:23:26.840forthright i do say that in a lot of shows they put it on the the white house website they are
00:23:31.800very forthright in what they want they do put it straight there in their mind they say they've given
00:23:37.880canada the best deal so if that's it that's it then that's what we have now we've walked away so
00:23:43.720then okay what's our plan so what's our plan like what what is our plan jim so what is being
00:23:50.760formulated right now so we didn't have a plan before we walked away yeah because what i agree
00:23:55.080that wasn't very i believe that carney is right that at the last minute they started trying to
00:24:01.160shove down heavy tariffs on medium and heavy duty trucks that would basically kill oakville and
00:24:06.520oshawa and they weren't willing to do that okay and as far as the national defense strategy that
00:24:11.480america outlaid how is that working in the persian gulf and iran in the strait of hormuz
00:24:15.960it sucks no it does it sucks pete hankseth has got rid of most of their top generals they are
00:24:22.280a rudderless ship right now with a clown running the secretary of defense in america i yeah they
00:24:28.520could have a press release paul and they could have like this is our strategy when you have a
00:24:33.400clown running it who respects that in the world nobody no but on the trade side i get the war
00:24:39.640listen i'm with you on the war that's a mess right but on the trade side what we're gonna
00:24:44.760are we gonna get back to the table yeah we'll get back i you know what i'm i'm skeptical so i i
00:24:51.480believe i am skeptical you mentioned china coming and you mentioned the midterms i think once the
00:24:59.080smoke clears in the midterms and we see what as you've alluded to there could be a democrat
00:25:04.520house and senate carney's going to be in a much better position to negotiate much better yeah
00:25:11.480but i i mean i do even look on the other end where even if it just becomes you know say an economic
00:25:17.960war of attrition so to say i i don't like the term war as much either but um let's say okay it goes
00:25:24.600into this all right we we can't come to a uh to a good deal and so we're just going to tariff one
00:25:30.360another i don't see any scenario where we can inflict enough pain on them uh in order to make
00:25:37.700them stop and think about whether they need to readjust things but i do see the opposite like
00:25:44.380we can get crushed uh the the imbalance in terms of how much we rely on america compared to how
00:25:51.380much america relies on us is just i look at it like two fighters going into a ring one's got 60
00:25:57.760pounds one's in heavyweight one's in lightweight and uh and it's like ah without a miracle uh
00:26:04.640you're you're looking at one thing going no no i agree here's the thing we can't keep subsidizing
00:26:11.520everything we're at that point so the the scenario can't be okay you know we've lost this let's just
00:26:16.880keep putting subsidies into market we we don't have the wherewithal we we will we'll run out of
00:26:22.160money right yeah so quite frankly that's just a given right so if we keep everyone who's harmed
00:26:27.040if they keep cutting subsidies and doing deals and uh making that happen bless you yeah you
00:26:32.880you know then we will run out of cash carney's aware of that and he's going to be making some
00:26:38.640drastic decisions right to that end number two the rest of the world is in similar spot as us so you
00:26:44.560know they're kind of trying to protect their own build at home do all their own things so thinking
00:26:49.760we're going to find this mystery partner who's going to start buying goods from us i think that's
00:26:54.960that's just pie in the sky well we did we did a show we did a show a few days ago and we actually
00:27:00.960went through our our trade imbalances with each nation around the world i don't see i don't see
00:27:07.120a partner kind of poking its head that we have any opportunity to do that real quick the only
00:27:12.720counter that is a lot of american financial experts look at canada's effort to trade internationally
00:27:19.360to divest themselves of america with concern they're like wait a sec we'll be losing hundreds
00:27:24.800of billions of dollars in trade because of the way america is acting and because of the view of
00:27:31.440america and trump on the world stage there are a lot of countries around the world eager to do
00:27:35.600business with canada because if it's not trump there's a lot of people upset with trump and
00:27:40.080the american administration well so far and the numbers play out from 2025 britain was the only
00:27:47.680one who was interested in doing it so when you look at the numbers jim right the uk was the only
00:27:53.920anyone who expanded you know their importing of Canadian goods Germany did too slightly so it
00:28:00.700didn't play out in 25 now what it does in 26 I don't know he's got to pull that off but you know
00:28:06.320it's 28 billion dollars what we're talking about right so it's it's a small portion of the total
00:28:12.380trade between us and the U.S. correct replacing it is feasible it's doable right but we need a plan
00:28:18.320now subsidizing our all of our industries fully before we do that is not the right plan we got
00:28:27.280to stop that we got to kind of put a hold on that and we got to get busy finding a plan to actually
00:28:32.320replace them unless we think it's coming around after the midterms if we get to the midterms though
00:28:38.960we have to have kind of a drop dead date i think we tell we come out and tell our citizens tell
00:28:44.240yes tell canadians and say listen we're going to do this until after the midterms
00:28:48.240we'll subsidize a little to keep everyone afloat then after that here's our plan moving forward if
00:28:52.560it doesn't come back because there's no guarantee that we get through the midterms and the new crew
00:28:58.160that's sitting at the table changes the direction we that's wishful thinking we hope that happens
00:29:03.520but we can't guarantee that happens right but now that and that i agree with there has to be
00:29:08.800a sense of honesty and openness with canadians like this is our strategy yeah liam we're going
00:29:15.280to do this then we're going to talk to paul and then at this time we're going to do this and this
00:29:19.200is how we're this is our map and how we're going to outlay it as of course as a business person
00:29:23.360you're not going to reveal all the secrets but just give people a framework and i think as canadians
00:29:28.000as we're seeing with the numbers and polling and the attitude of the majority canadians so like
00:29:32.400okay i'll go along with that well listen jameson greer is dumping it all on the table so far i can
00:29:38.560only imagine by 10 days from now you're gonna get more so if he keeps doing interviews pretty much
00:29:44.640you're gonna get verbatim what happened at that table so i think the best thing to do on our side
00:29:49.520on the canadian side is for us to step forward and say okay here's what happened yes here's where
00:29:54.480we're at yeah here's what we're doing and here's where we're going because if you don't and you
00:29:58.400keep silent he's just going to keep filling that void and he's doing it really well tuesday
00:30:03.440september the 8th is the day if the counter-terrorists take effect at 1201 a.m at noon
00:30:08.800high noon carney needs to speak to all canadians at a national address with national media taking
00:30:14.400questions and inform everyone but it can't i guess jim and we're on the same page it can't just be
00:30:20.240our relationship has changed now like we know our relationships change so let's stop telling
00:30:24.960like yeah where i'm getting a little hit the relationship has changed with countries around
00:30:28.560the world we keep trying to put a uh spin on this our relationship has changed this has changed okay
00:30:34.720we get it we get it it's changed and now i understand right the divorce has happened the
00:30:38.960separation's done you know we've all signed the papers it's been you know let's stay friends
00:30:44.640right you know all that good stuff right but let's get over let's get on now right yeah let's start
00:30:49.680looking for a new person and a new uh new trade but we got to get going like we keep having this
00:30:55.840you know we keep having these kind of moments and i i think we're trying to you know based on the
00:31:01.840bi-election numbers and the spin on that we're trying to say everyone's consolidated behind it
00:31:08.240yeah i guess i think where everyone's starting to get consolidated behind is what next i think
00:31:14.880what people are kind of saying now is okay i get all that right jameson greer isn't helping because
00:31:21.040quite frankly when you're listening to him he's the anti-lutnik so you're likely to listen to
00:31:26.240what he says yeah exactly they've done a good job americans are very good at pr we're like
00:31:31.200carney's good at pr but americans are better at it right so now they're putting their pr machine in
00:31:35.680play and they're you know and he's probably they're probably due to the point sale oh jameson's
00:31:40.880resonating with these conversations right and they're picking up kind of that it's kind of
00:31:45.680growing and now on our side we got to think okay oh you know well labor day weekend that means
00:31:51.440carny staff has got to work around the clock they've got to come up with a counter to that
00:31:55.600the day of that announcement of the new tariffs which is coming right out of the labor day
00:32:00.160absolutely back to school everything snuck up on him yeah and now he's going to be right in the
00:32:04.960thick of it so we better have a absolutely you better have a plan on how to move forward or at
00:32:10.640least uh an explanation of what happened because that is canadians liam if you tell us this is what
00:32:19.120we're thinking of doing this is why we're doing it we're like okay the canadians are more are really
00:32:25.280good at following along you know whether you like it or you dislike it he's got a majority government
00:32:31.200yes whether you and know where they wish more people voted doesn't matter without a credible
00:32:37.760threat the joy of living in a democracy is everyone has an opportunity whether they take
00:32:42.000it or not to vote to put a party in place to make decisions on your behalf yeah right absolutely
00:32:46.640that's done now we follow the lead the lead see the key the key uh word in that sentence leader
00:32:54.320lead yeah so now we're going to follow your lead you need to tell us how you're going to lead
00:32:59.600which i believe this is what this long weekend's all about is coming up with a strategy well
00:33:05.200i mean you're scaring me no you're so scary i think this this week after labor day weekend
00:33:11.680there has to be a come to jesus moment for carney and the liberals to lay it out there this is what
00:33:16.800greer said to rosie and the cdc this is what we say and this is our plan yeah and just let us know
00:33:22.800oh yeah I'm quite cynical on the on the Canadian political in terms of getting any straight shot
00:33:35.180or answer and to be honest other than looking at like polls as a thing to be managed I don't think
00:33:40.340they have much respect for them like I don't think they have this idea of being like oh the people
00:33:44.500feel this way so we need to do x thing it's more so we're going to do x thing how do we make sure
00:33:50.060the polls stay where they are at um and so so yeah i think it's going to be a lot of uh a lot of pr
00:33:57.580games essentially but i don't necessarily even think from our own political class in terms of
00:34:02.300how they're going to speak to canadians and tell them what to expect and you know what the plan is
00:34:06.700i don't think we're going to get much there it's going to be more more short-term appeasement than
00:34:11.340wisdom so here's the thing i think and this is from a financial perspective i think he knows his
00:34:18.540runway is getting shorter so i'm not you know where i sort of have the confidence that he's
00:34:26.060going to come up with a plan is i think he knows his runway his because his september conference
00:34:32.220where he's going to bring investors in all the things that the prime minister has said
00:34:35.980he knows you know all those things are kind of up in the air right now based on this trade challenge
00:34:41.020that we have with the united states and quite frankly he's got to land them all to get that in
00:34:46.060place they actually get trade moving with other countries because if that doesn't go well and no
00:34:50.300one shows up in september and we're sitting there right then we're really in trouble because quite
00:34:55.820frankly because that's all coming up pretty quick right it's all all these things are all happening
00:35:00.860now and if they all kind of get buried and they don't go forward again you you can't just keep
00:35:06.460giving money because giving money is the easy solution he knows he'll run out of then he knows
00:35:10.700his runways short right but paul if i live in ontario i still can't buy wine from bc
00:35:16.300because of provincial trade barriers and if he ever was a time in the country with a prime minister
00:35:22.300in the mood of the first ministers and all the premiers get rid of these inner provincial trade
00:35:27.580barriers it's now because we should be i should be able to buy nova scotia beer in ontario and bc
00:35:33.740wine because it's easier for me to buy wine and from south america or australia than it is from bc
00:35:38.780that's crazy i'm with you jim but you know how long have we been talking about that how long
00:35:44.380have we been having that comfort but isn't that it has to be one of his priorities you're going
00:35:47.820down liam's lane now so there goes my confidence no but i mean if if hey this is this is our
00:35:54.940strategy and one of the ways we're going to deal with the next few months yeah is knock down and
00:35:59.340like listen a five-point plan coming in yeah coming into the eighth i think would do a world
00:36:04.780good for the country right now because we're we really do need we need we need to be holding on
00:36:09.340to something right now right not just not just you know our relationship is fractured right and
00:36:14.700if you you listen to the podcast a lot of the american financial experts they're like whoa
00:36:20.140we're looking at it as negotiations and canadians are treating it as a trade war
00:36:24.460yeah and they're like they're our biggest friend for the last 80 years the longest undefended
00:36:29.260border and we're pissing them off and how do we fix it so they're starting to notice it now too
00:36:34.780that's the interesting thing oh yeah he's listen jameson greer is not doing the rounds if they
00:36:40.260didn't notice it and if it wasn't a political concern that's on their radar they're extending
00:36:45.020a hand it's a great negotiating opportunity i i do agree do i think they're going to budge on
00:36:52.100on the main premise or the the pillars of their philosophy i don't think they will right that's
00:36:58.040why i think we need that plan well and if it ever was a time for carney to put all his skills
00:37:03.360together it's tuesday it is it's tuesday and like stand before canada and talk to us because we'll
00:37:11.040listen because we want to hear what he has to say yeah he's our leader he's our leader and right now
00:37:16.160every time i go to the grocery store i see that american label and people just walk on by and
00:37:21.360that's amazing thing to me it's the the rejection of all things american now from coast to coast
00:37:26.640It's going to take a while to heal those wounds.
00:37:31.540Well, yeah, I look at it like, at the end of the day, we've got to make a choice here between, as you were pointing out earlier, we can say that we want to diversify partners.
00:37:43.980But can you, first of all, it's not just a one for one.
00:37:47.700We're talking about the largest economy and also just empire in human history, really, being America.
00:37:53.520And so even if you do, you'd have to switch that with probably like three to four massive trade deals with other companies to even just get the same sort of access to market capital.
00:38:05.880And so I think as much as Canadians want to stand strong and toss the elbows up, I think a lot of it just needs to look at this and go, I think in the long run, we end up just hurting ourselves more out of pride than any pragmatic approach.
00:38:24.560and then looking at even just ourselves,