True Patriot Love - Does Mark Carney Even Care？ Explained

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00:00:17.520 look for that over the holidays uh joining me today for the chat about does carny even care

00:00:23.800 is our very own jim lang hello how are you yeah happy holidays welcome to december everybody

00:00:28.700 and by the way a shout out to doug kirkwood in our uh in our podcast production uh sales department

00:00:34.060 great guy beleaguered vikings fan i feel for him yeah there is that about him but he's he's got a

00:00:40.000 license plate he drives around with his shame he wears it proudly he does he does uh you know what

00:00:46.420 it's one of those things he's put the time in yeah if they ever do go to the super bowl we're all

00:00:50.980 gonna have to chip in and make sure he gets oh yeah these are his glasses i don't know what the

00:00:55.080 he'll have but doug does great work and i don't know how a man loses his glasses now i gotta tell

00:00:59.680 you if mark carney was here you'd be in trouble yeah well why do you think so do you think he'd be

00:01:04.780 like a little judgmental about me losing my glasses apparently the word is that he manages the liberal

00:01:10.600 party like a fortune 500 ceo big surprise considering his background he's demanding hard driving and

00:01:17.520 patient and he has strict rules on dress and decorum within the prime minister's office who's your tie

00:01:23.720 i'm not in the pmo office so i don't have to worry about it do i know you know jim i have to first

00:01:28.940 of all i want to say thanks to you because i you and i had a conversation before the show that just

00:01:33.460 blew my mind and we're going to go deeper on this sure uh but the power that is uh in the pm's privy

00:01:41.080 council and then even more so the power of the clerk uh of the privy council well i think most

00:01:48.100 canadians don't understand that when you're prime minister um there is a cabal of people around you

00:01:54.300 this uh cadre of men and women and both public voted on and behind the scenes and appointed that run

00:02:03.020 the prime minister's office here go run the country yeah and run we just had a story today where

00:02:10.300 the government gave 200 million dollars to ukraine to buy more weapons you know this comes a week

00:02:16.600 after a story came out that young recruits are quitting the canadian military because of lack

00:02:22.620 of proper housing and lack of medical care so i'm fine for supporting ukraine but maybe some of those

00:02:29.360 millions of dollars could help you some of the current members of the armed forces who need a

00:02:34.100 better place to live yeah and at a time where uh yeah reports are coming out that uh the canadian

00:02:39.900 military uh you know everything from having to share weapons in the field to uh bad housing uh and

00:02:48.080 bad health care it's a bad look and this is one of the things so i don't ask this question uh with

00:02:55.880 with just in a glib manner yeah really the question has come back to me so many times in the last two

00:03:01.620 weeks does carney even care and so now i want to ask the question and i found sort of four okay

00:03:09.280 essential proofs myself but i'm curious what your thoughts are he cares in his way think about

00:03:15.480 mark carney went to harvard then he went to oxford 15 years of goldman sachs which is high high-end

00:03:22.540 financial institution ran the bank of canada ran the bank of england and was the vice chair of

00:03:29.160 burkfield asset management who manages one trillion dollars in assets around the world in canada and other

00:03:36.020 countries his whole life from the time he left edmonton to go to post-secondary and working

00:03:43.000 up the corporate world has been acting and treating people like he's been treated in the corporate world

00:03:48.840 demanding hard driving impatient doesn't run by a clock has very strict rules i mean recently there was

00:03:57.280 the canadian press gallery dinner and it was actually quite funny doug davies the interim leader of the

00:04:03.020 ndp was very funny i gotta admit a lot of people even a lot of hardcore liberals were

00:04:08.840 quite happy help hear poly of joke with this hour's 22 minutes yeah and some of the humor

00:04:14.760 mark carney you don't see clips because he's not built for joking around he like doug ford

00:04:21.040 goes to a tractor pull in tilsenburg mark carney is not comfortable doing that he's comfortable

00:04:26.600 getting on the canadian can force one yeah and flying to an international summit and sitting down

00:04:33.520 and doing business in the big business world that's what he's done for 35 years that's his comfort level

00:04:39.160 and expects the people around him to support him to get that job done so it's it's a real 180 from the

00:04:46.140 management style of justin trudeau which was a little more laid back and inclusive he's he's not seeking

00:04:52.480 counsel from a backbencher or a minister if he doesn't want it if it's if i want to speak to you

00:04:58.240 i'll speak to you otherwise i'll i run the show i think it's interesting because you point out something

00:05:03.300 that was almost the first thing on on uh my selection of proofs that carney doesn't care in

00:05:08.920 the way canadians are used to or prefer and i do agree with you i think that he does care in his own

00:05:14.620 way but he cares as the head of a corporation as the chair not even the president but the chair of a

00:05:20.960 corporation it feels to me do you and do you get this vibe that this is just a super high profile

00:05:26.780 board of directors position for him in a way yeah i mean it's just adding to his resume and his legacy

00:05:33.500 i mean for a kid coming out of a middle class in edmonton to do what he's done the higher education

00:05:39.860 harvard oxford all these massive appointments in jobs along the way it's i mean it is an incredible

00:05:48.500 resume that he has and this is just another thing to be prime minister to add to it and his legacy

00:05:54.740 how he looks how he's treated within the office and globally that means something to mark carney

00:06:00.620 yeah and it's meant something to him his whole career i think he's not used to the press gallery

00:06:05.400 that is something that that's real apparent he he has no well got him in trouble the other day with

00:06:10.920 the line who cares yeah about the trump meeting and and and that was him apologizing and someone

00:06:16.820 pointed out that he doesn't have time for reporters and if he doesn't like their question he's very

00:06:22.620 glib look what he said to rosie barton look inside yourself rosie yeah and she's one of the most

00:06:28.460 respected journalists if you don't like her or not her her background is incredible and she had the

00:06:34.060 right to ask a question and he shot her down because he didn't like it well it's funny because

00:06:37.460 he came out of the uh meeting with trump and immediately scolded the the canadian press corps in

00:06:43.340 in the hallway on the way out saying oh way to go guys you know you didn't have any good questions

00:06:47.480 for me come on i could have used your help and that's that is a perfect example and that's

00:06:52.020 that's where he sometimes he gets himself in trouble because the people within him working for him

00:06:58.000 don't act like that but the press don't work for him so they'll ask questions whether he likes it or

00:07:02.760 not yeah and he doesn't he often he doesn't like them well there's no warmth there's no uh disarming

00:07:08.780 personality there and like you say i don't think he feels that he needs it he managed to

00:07:13.260 to get into office without it uh so yeah you're right he spends more time talking about global

00:07:17.600 frameworks and and being on un panels and net zero that's his comfort zone that's his wheelhouse but

00:07:23.020 canadians right now are suffering oh and so that's one of the pushbacks that i get from people he's a

00:07:28.900 high flutin business guy flying around the world meeting with everybody that he can enjoying a very

00:07:33.700 comfortable existence as prime minister while we are cutting jobs algoma steel a thousand jobs

00:07:40.640 algoma steel went down and i don't even think the prime minister commented on it within a timely

00:07:45.000 fashion that's very odd and this comes a couple months after the government gave them 400 million

00:07:50.160 dollars so at least address that well it has to be addressed the people sue saint marie in northern

00:07:55.660 ontario they're hurting also algoma is a canadian what i like to refer to as a canadian corporate

00:08:01.020 classic okay it's one of the icons absolutely you think that you would at least make a comment

00:08:06.020 on it uh the other thing is people are saying he doesn't much like addressing the media he doesn't

00:08:12.100 really account to voters he came out with a new budget a totally different way of accounting

00:08:17.620 for this budget basically uh including all of the stuff trudeau had already committed to as new

00:08:24.560 projects oh right yeah yeah never asking forgiveness for that or even explaining here's what i've done

00:08:30.340 with the budget that's different than the previous budget he doesn't have that kind of need to feel

00:08:35.800 accountable uh i think is a lot of the feedback you get and even the polls are showing that i think

00:08:41.980 mark carney his his asset sometimes hurts him his uber confidence his intelligence that gets in the way

00:08:51.980 sometimes he's so smart and so confident that he can't concede that i need to connect with the

00:08:59.560 average person in canada that the working family who's going to have less trees or less presence

00:09:04.880 under the christmas tree this year or maybe a smaller holiday dinner or maybe not able to travel this

00:09:10.300 year or maybe you know you start going down the list of people all the cutbacks and maybe have to

00:09:15.600 wear more sweaters because they don't want to heat the house as much because the heating's too expensive

00:09:19.060 and two million people use a food bank leading to the holidays this year it's staggering and he

00:09:25.040 he says he understands but i'm not convinced he doesn't understand that's one of my next point

00:09:30.320 he's like uh disconnected from the working class that i 100 agree with our economics do not 0.62

00:09:37.300 do not seem to resonate with him or resonate with him in a way that he needs to communicate with us

00:09:45.000 the last thing that we heard about our economics as canadians was we're gonna have to tighten our

00:09:50.140 belts and then we'll have to sacrifice right yeah but so it all started in the campaign

00:09:55.600 to run up to be prime minister when they would put a of the safety vest and the hard hat on him

00:10:01.560 and he would go to a construction site a bunch of oil rig drillers the steel workers and they're

00:10:08.040 the men and women that do that job they are some of the toughest most dedicated people in the country

00:10:12.940 to do that every day and he just seems so uncomfortable around them but when he was in

00:10:18.580 the position where he's around lawyers and bankers and accountants he's like bring it on

00:10:23.320 yeah he don't feel that yeah yeah oh yeah let's talk policy let me see your spreadsheet maybe he should

00:10:29.440 be maybe he'd be better positioned as the clerk of the privy council or the finance minister or

00:10:34.620 you know but but those are not jobs for a guy who's been the head of the bank of england

00:10:38.700 and the vice chair of brookfield yeah yeah uh and then the other thing is he has like um

00:10:43.900 he has this tendency and this is the last one on my list okay thank you very much for going through

00:10:50.060 no no i'm enjoying this but he has handed off in the view of many canadians and actually in my own view

00:10:58.160 as we go deeper into these major projects so many of them are not owned by canadian companies there's a

00:11:07.700 lot of foreign ownership built into these oh and then his explanation for it was dizzying and and

00:11:13.300 word salad uh he loves those word salads yeah he does that's how he stays so thin

00:11:19.000 uh but but the reality is we do feel that way like if we're going to build in

00:11:24.760 uh canadian business and canadian sourcing resources tell us about it tell us how that's

00:11:32.640 going to be incorporated don't just let us find out online quickly that okay this is owned by an

00:11:38.360 australian company this is owned by uh you know come on no i have to admit i agree mike but i can't

00:11:44.360 be that surprised as a canadian because he spent most of his time as prime minister traveling around

00:11:49.200 the world trying to foster investment and spending within the country from the middle east to europe to

00:11:55.660 other countries to asia so he is looking for offshore money to build a pipeline that they've

00:12:02.920 approved from alberta to the bc coast to build the ring of fire in the mineral exploration of northern

00:12:09.880 ontario to build that mine they're trying to build in new brunswick and all the big projects they're

00:12:14.460 talking about the high-speed rail from quebec city to toronto which has been talked about for decades

00:12:19.580 he's looking well if i can't find the money in canada i'm going to use all my experience with

00:12:25.340 the back bank of england and brookfield and goldman sachs and reach out to all these people

00:12:30.560 in the comfort zone talking to other prime ministers and finance ministers talking money yeah to get that

00:12:37.280 money into canada i i 100 agree with you i think now i it's interesting because i had a moment uh one

00:12:43.720 day with uh deb schulte oh yeah former mp and and somebody i've referenced on the show as as quite

00:12:48.620 uh you know my favorite liberal so having said that uh i said to her i don't i don't know what

00:12:55.620 that mark carney's doing he's out there flying around the world and highfalutin and she said

00:13:00.080 well what he's doing is taking business people from major corporations around the world and enticing

00:13:05.740 other businesses to sit and and do a deal that what that really did stop me in my tracks and i said

00:13:13.800 then my next thing after i caught a breath was well i hope we see some results from these and of

00:13:18.560 course who knows in in movies sales is portrayed by leonardo dicaprio's brilliant scene in the

00:13:27.100 wolf of wall street where he's cold calling a guy in the penny stock and he gets 10 grand yeah and we

00:13:32.940 think that's sales but money and sales at that level you can't cold call no and there's all you

00:13:40.180 don't have to be there hi dubai it's mike and jim calling let's see your infrastructure i do get it

00:13:45.700 so that's where the prime minister has three or four or five handpicked elite business leaders with

00:13:51.960 them prime minister wixon this is so and so this is nick this is christoph this is paul this is char

00:13:58.420 he doesn't trust his uh as ministers in charge of economy and finance possibly but i mean for

00:14:06.380 for mark carney's standpoint i'm the prime minister and i'm doing a business introduction with

00:14:11.900 the the ceo of a company in canada with the money people in the middle east or europe or asia

00:14:17.860 it just helps facilitate the deal and expedite it in a way that the money gets into canada he's trying

00:14:23.400 to get projects built and for them to be built the money has to flow in fast so they can get shovels in

00:14:29.160 the ground and get things completed because unfortunately the things might take time fantastic

00:14:33.480 but then he puts us on the books as an asset in the future these major projects that now are mainly

00:14:41.380 foreign owned it's great that the investment comes here but then the ownership uh doesn't remain here

00:14:47.140 and and i i don't disagree mike i really don't disagree but what what is a nation what are our options

00:14:53.560 we can't turn the the financial taps off everywhere because they basically tried to turn their backs on

00:14:59.640 america and the money for coming from there yeah so that means they have to find it elsewhere we're

00:15:04.340 a country of 42 million people thereabouts with not unlimited resources and unlimited finances so if

00:15:12.220 they need someone to spend the money to build the high-speed rail in the highway and the mines and the

00:15:18.160 pipelines in the other infrastructure where's the money going to come from it's not coming from america i

00:15:23.460 like you i wish i had the answer i'm glad that i don't because if i did i might be even more

00:15:29.420 freaked out but i think the reason that i want to talk about this today is because i do believe

00:15:34.660 that i don't have the full picture and here's why overall mark carney is not beholden to canadians

00:15:42.760 in a communicative way and so i say mark carney please you have to communicate with canadians better

00:15:50.900 if you need and and desire the support now it's funny you say that typically in the next week or so

00:15:57.440 is the end of year before the holiday sit down the prime minister does with the major media

00:16:03.860 reporters in canada so the top reporters political reporters and cbc ctv global whatever top podcasters

00:16:12.040 that is that is almost a rite of passage in canada do you think we'll be invited

00:16:17.260 okay another message to uh our prime minister you know if you don't if there's room if there's room

00:16:24.880 in your schedule but i mean that is a thing it's usually a 10 50 minute conversation they go down

00:16:30.760 a list of you know prepared questions and points and bullet points so you know prime minister carney's

00:16:37.200 not being blindsided but it's a chance for him to explain himself wrap up the year before they go on the

00:16:42.620 holidays and the new year and give canadians a little insight to what's going on and what's the

00:16:47.140 plan and then as canadians we deserve that yeah i actually think when the opposition is looking like

00:16:52.600 a party by comparison uh personality wise it's time to step up the game and warm up uh to the cameras

00:16:58.920 you know i i don't want a cheesy lying prime minister but i do think it's important to communicate

00:17:05.120 with your your constituents look mike i understand that this is not his comfort zone yeah this is not

00:17:10.300 what he's used to however there's been many things along his career from goldman sachs to the bank of

00:17:17.460 canada the bank of england and brookfield and all his financial appointments and all the boards that

00:17:22.100 he sat on over the years you can't tell me that he hasn't done things he wasn't really a big fan of

00:17:27.540 or didn't want to go to or didn't want to be a part of but it did it because it was necessary

00:17:32.340 and this is necessary for the nation for the people and for the country going forward that he actually

00:17:38.500 i mean lets his hair down a bit it just just relax for a little bit and have a nice conversation

00:17:44.500 with a reporter we liked about chretchen right chretchen was the master of it you know and and

00:17:49.680 he didn't mo rooney he wasn't like the most beautiful mo rooney is another one right yeah yeah willing to 1.00

00:17:56.480 have a conversation one-on-one with canadians and be comfortable being a canadian and i think that

00:18:00.620 that's what needs to be at least we need to have that vibe i just had a flashback there was a great

00:18:06.640 one in the mid 90s and it was lloyd robertson and jean christian having just a chat before the holidays

00:18:12.440 about different things in canada and you went to the holidays and you had a understanding where the

00:18:17.960 prime minister was coming from and their future and where they were going and and for carny whether

00:18:23.540 he likes it or not he has to sit down with his public relations team and his media relations team

00:18:27.960 and set up those interviews with the cbc and ctv and other outlets maybe maybe true patriot love

00:18:33.960 hello and and just spend a few minutes hey how's it going i know it's tough but like this is what

00:18:39.960 we're working on let the reporter say to you why are you so grumpy with us i'm not you know like i'm

00:18:44.640 not great even if he just said i'm not great at the press thing or whatever but he but that

00:18:49.700 disarming is required it is and that goes back to some of the what people are saying that he's

00:18:54.880 impatient hard driving and demanding and doesn't like being questioned and right to him having

00:18:59.980 reporters question his decisions question what his plans are question what he's doing oh i get it i

00:19:05.520 hate it too but like but as prime minister you can't show those cards right because now the reporters

00:19:12.700 know i can push his button i'm getting sound bites i'm getting clicks this is great yeah they do it with

00:19:17.840 trump all the time but that i mean do you have the conversations in air force one or the you know

00:19:23.160 and then he's going shut up piggy and it goes viral quiet piggy you know what's so funny jim i wanted to

00:19:29.300 end today's show with telling you quiet but i think i've never felt so more loved but uh i think we're on

00:19:35.600 the same page thanks so much for chatting with me thanks for being here thank you uh don't forget

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00:19:46.160 your comments some of the comments we love you know no no no i'll take all the comments come on now

00:19:51.340 some of them are hurtful no no no i've changed uh i've changed my glasses to borrowing uh co-workers

00:19:57.500 and meanwhile our sales guy can't even see what he's selling because he took his glasses you know

00:20:01.560 what he's got it memorized thanks see you next time

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True Patriot Love - December 06, 2025

Does Mark Carney Even Care？ Explained

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