Does Mark Carney Even Care? Explained
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In the midst of the launch of a new app and a new website, joining me today for the chat about does Mark Carney even care about losing his glasses is our very own Jim Lang. Join us as we discuss the question, "Does he even care?"
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okay here we go again another conversation on tpl media don't forget to subscribe tell a friend
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visit tplmedia.ca as we are now officially in the midst of the launch of a new app and a new website
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look for that over the holidays uh joining me today for the chat about does carny even care
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is our very own jim lang hello how are you yeah happy holidays welcome to december everybody
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and by the way a shout out to doug kirkwood in our uh in our podcast production uh sales department
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great guy beleaguered vikings fan i feel for him yeah there is that about him but he's he's got a
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license plate he drives around with his shame he wears it proudly he does he does uh you know what
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it's one of those things he's put the time in yeah if they ever do go to the super bowl we're all
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gonna have to chip in and make sure he gets oh yeah these are his glasses i don't know what the
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he'll have but doug does great work and i don't know how a man loses his glasses now i gotta tell
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you if mark carney was here you'd be in trouble yeah well why do you think so do you think he'd be
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like a little judgmental about me losing my glasses apparently the word is that he manages the liberal
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party like a fortune 500 ceo big surprise considering his background he's demanding hard driving and
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patient and he has strict rules on dress and decorum within the prime minister's office who's your tie
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i'm not in the pmo office so i don't have to worry about it do i know you know jim i have to first
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of all i want to say thanks to you because i you and i had a conversation before the show that just
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blew my mind and we're going to go deeper on this sure uh but the power that is uh in the pm's privy
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council and then even more so the power of the clerk uh of the privy council well i think most
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canadians don't understand that when you're prime minister um there is a cabal of people around you
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this uh cadre of men and women and both public voted on and behind the scenes and appointed that run
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the prime minister's office here go run the country yeah and run we just had a story today where
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the government gave 200 million dollars to ukraine to buy more weapons you know this comes a week
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after a story came out that young recruits are quitting the canadian military because of lack
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of proper housing and lack of medical care so i'm fine for supporting ukraine but maybe some of those
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millions of dollars could help you some of the current members of the armed forces who need a
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better place to live yeah and at a time where uh yeah reports are coming out that uh the canadian
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military uh you know everything from having to share weapons in the field to uh bad housing uh and
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bad health care it's a bad look and this is one of the things so i don't ask this question uh with
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with just in a glib manner yeah really the question has come back to me so many times in the last two
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weeks does carney even care and so now i want to ask the question and i found sort of four okay
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essential proofs myself but i'm curious what your thoughts are he cares in his way think about
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mark carney went to harvard then he went to oxford 15 years of goldman sachs which is high high-end
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financial institution ran the bank of canada ran the bank of england and was the vice chair of
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burkfield asset management who manages one trillion dollars in assets around the world in canada and other
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countries his whole life from the time he left edmonton to go to post-secondary and working
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up the corporate world has been acting and treating people like he's been treated in the corporate world
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demanding hard driving impatient doesn't run by a clock has very strict rules i mean recently there was
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the canadian press gallery dinner and it was actually quite funny doug davies the interim leader of the
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ndp was very funny i gotta admit a lot of people even a lot of hardcore liberals were
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quite happy help hear poly of joke with this hour's 22 minutes yeah and some of the humor
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mark carney you don't see clips because he's not built for joking around he like doug ford
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goes to a tractor pull in tilsenburg mark carney is not comfortable doing that he's comfortable
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getting on the canadian can force one yeah and flying to an international summit and sitting down
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and doing business in the big business world that's what he's done for 35 years that's his comfort level
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and expects the people around him to support him to get that job done so it's it's a real 180 from the
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management style of justin trudeau which was a little more laid back and inclusive he's he's not seeking
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counsel from a backbencher or a minister if he doesn't want it if it's if i want to speak to you
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i'll speak to you otherwise i'll i run the show i think it's interesting because you point out something
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that was almost the first thing on on uh my selection of proofs that carney doesn't care in
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the way canadians are used to or prefer and i do agree with you i think that he does care in his own
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way but he cares as the head of a corporation as the chair not even the president but the chair of a
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corporation it feels to me do you and do you get this vibe that this is just a super high profile
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board of directors position for him in a way yeah i mean it's just adding to his resume and his legacy
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i mean for a kid coming out of a middle class in edmonton to do what he's done the higher education
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harvard oxford all these massive appointments in jobs along the way it's i mean it is an incredible
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resume that he has and this is just another thing to be prime minister to add to it and his legacy
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how he looks how he's treated within the office and globally that means something to mark carney
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yeah and it's meant something to him his whole career i think he's not used to the press gallery
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that is something that that's real apparent he he has no well got him in trouble the other day with
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the line who cares yeah about the trump meeting and and and that was him apologizing and someone
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pointed out that he doesn't have time for reporters and if he doesn't like their question he's very
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glib look what he said to rosie barton look inside yourself rosie yeah and she's one of the most
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respected journalists if you don't like her or not her her background is incredible and she had the
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right to ask a question and he shot her down because he didn't like it well it's funny because
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he came out of the uh meeting with trump and immediately scolded the the canadian press corps in
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in the hallway on the way out saying oh way to go guys you know you didn't have any good questions
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for me come on i could have used your help and that's that is a perfect example and that's
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that's where he sometimes he gets himself in trouble because the people within him working for him
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don't act like that but the press don't work for him so they'll ask questions whether he likes it or
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not yeah and he doesn't he often he doesn't like them well there's no warmth there's no uh disarming
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personality there and like you say i don't think he feels that he needs it he managed to
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to get into office without it uh so yeah you're right he spends more time talking about global
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frameworks and and being on un panels and net zero that's his comfort zone that's his wheelhouse but
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canadians right now are suffering oh and so that's one of the pushbacks that i get from people he's a
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high flutin business guy flying around the world meeting with everybody that he can enjoying a very
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comfortable existence as prime minister while we are cutting jobs algoma steel a thousand jobs
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algoma steel went down and i don't even think the prime minister commented on it within a timely
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fashion that's very odd and this comes a couple months after the government gave them 400 million
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dollars so at least address that well it has to be addressed the people sue saint marie in northern
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ontario they're hurting also algoma is a canadian what i like to refer to as a canadian corporate
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classic okay it's one of the icons absolutely you think that you would at least make a comment
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on it uh the other thing is people are saying he doesn't much like addressing the media he doesn't
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really account to voters he came out with a new budget a totally different way of accounting
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for this budget basically uh including all of the stuff trudeau had already committed to as new
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projects oh right yeah yeah never asking forgiveness for that or even explaining here's what i've done
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with the budget that's different than the previous budget he doesn't have that kind of need to feel
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accountable uh i think is a lot of the feedback you get and even the polls are showing that i think
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mark carney his his asset sometimes hurts him his uber confidence his intelligence that gets in the way
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sometimes he's so smart and so confident that he can't concede that i need to connect with the
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average person in canada that the working family who's going to have less trees or less presence
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under the christmas tree this year or maybe a smaller holiday dinner or maybe not able to travel this
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year or maybe you know you start going down the list of people all the cutbacks and maybe have to
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wear more sweaters because they don't want to heat the house as much because the heating's too expensive
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and two million people use a food bank leading to the holidays this year it's staggering and he
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he says he understands but i'm not convinced he doesn't understand that's one of my next point
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he's like uh disconnected from the working class that i 100 agree with our economics do not
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do not seem to resonate with him or resonate with him in a way that he needs to communicate with us
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the last thing that we heard about our economics as canadians was we're gonna have to tighten our
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belts and then we'll have to sacrifice right yeah but so it all started in the campaign
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to run up to be prime minister when they would put a of the safety vest and the hard hat on him
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and he would go to a construction site a bunch of oil rig drillers the steel workers and they're
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the men and women that do that job they are some of the toughest most dedicated people in the country
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to do that every day and he just seems so uncomfortable around them but when he was in
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the position where he's around lawyers and bankers and accountants he's like bring it on
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yeah he don't feel that yeah yeah oh yeah let's talk policy let me see your spreadsheet maybe he should
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be maybe he'd be better positioned as the clerk of the privy council or the finance minister or
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you know but but those are not jobs for a guy who's been the head of the bank of england
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and the vice chair of brookfield yeah yeah uh and then the other thing is he has like um
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he has this tendency and this is the last one on my list okay thank you very much for going through
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no no i'm enjoying this but he has handed off in the view of many canadians and actually in my own view
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as we go deeper into these major projects so many of them are not owned by canadian companies there's a
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lot of foreign ownership built into these oh and then his explanation for it was dizzying and and
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word salad uh he loves those word salads yeah he does that's how he stays so thin
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uh but but the reality is we do feel that way like if we're going to build in
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uh canadian business and canadian sourcing resources tell us about it tell us how that's
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going to be incorporated don't just let us find out online quickly that okay this is owned by an
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australian company this is owned by uh you know come on no i have to admit i agree mike but i can't
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be that surprised as a canadian because he spent most of his time as prime minister traveling around
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the world trying to foster investment and spending within the country from the middle east to europe to
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other countries to asia so he is looking for offshore money to build a pipeline that they've
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approved from alberta to the bc coast to build the ring of fire in the mineral exploration of northern
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ontario to build that mine they're trying to build in new brunswick and all the big projects they're
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talking about the high-speed rail from quebec city to toronto which has been talked about for decades
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he's looking well if i can't find the money in canada i'm going to use all my experience with
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the back bank of england and brookfield and goldman sachs and reach out to all these people
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in the comfort zone talking to other prime ministers and finance ministers talking money yeah to get that
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money into canada i i 100 agree with you i think now i it's interesting because i had a moment uh one
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day with uh deb schulte oh yeah former mp and and somebody i've referenced on the show as as quite
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uh you know my favorite liberal so having said that uh i said to her i don't i don't know what
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that mark carney's doing he's out there flying around the world and highfalutin and she said
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well what he's doing is taking business people from major corporations around the world and enticing
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other businesses to sit and and do a deal that what that really did stop me in my tracks and i said
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then my next thing after i caught a breath was well i hope we see some results from these and of
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course who knows in in movies sales is portrayed by leonardo dicaprio's brilliant scene in the
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wolf of wall street where he's cold calling a guy in the penny stock and he gets 10 grand yeah and we
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think that's sales but money and sales at that level you can't cold call no and there's all you
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don't have to be there hi dubai it's mike and jim calling let's see your infrastructure i do get it
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so that's where the prime minister has three or four or five handpicked elite business leaders with
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them prime minister wixon this is so and so this is nick this is christoph this is paul this is char
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he doesn't trust his uh as ministers in charge of economy and finance possibly but i mean for
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for mark carney's standpoint i'm the prime minister and i'm doing a business introduction with
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the the ceo of a company in canada with the money people in the middle east or europe or asia
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it just helps facilitate the deal and expedite it in a way that the money gets into canada he's trying
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to get projects built and for them to be built the money has to flow in fast so they can get shovels in
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the ground and get things completed because unfortunately the things might take time fantastic
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but then he puts us on the books as an asset in the future these major projects that now are mainly
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foreign owned it's great that the investment comes here but then the ownership uh doesn't remain here
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and and i i don't disagree mike i really don't disagree but what what is a nation what are our options
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we can't turn the the financial taps off everywhere because they basically tried to turn their backs on
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america and the money for coming from there yeah so that means they have to find it elsewhere we're
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a country of 42 million people thereabouts with not unlimited resources and unlimited finances so if
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they need someone to spend the money to build the high-speed rail in the highway and the mines and the
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pipelines in the other infrastructure where's the money going to come from it's not coming from america i
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like you i wish i had the answer i'm glad that i don't because if i did i might be even more
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freaked out but i think the reason that i want to talk about this today is because i do believe
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that i don't have the full picture and here's why overall mark carney is not beholden to canadians
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in a communicative way and so i say mark carney please you have to communicate with canadians better
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if you need and and desire the support now it's funny you say that typically in the next week or so
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is the end of year before the holiday sit down the prime minister does with the major media
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reporters in canada so the top reporters political reporters and cbc ctv global whatever top podcasters
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that is that is almost a rite of passage in canada do you think we'll be invited
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okay another message to uh our prime minister you know if you don't if there's room if there's room
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in your schedule but i mean that is a thing it's usually a 10 50 minute conversation they go down
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a list of you know prepared questions and points and bullet points so you know prime minister carney's
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not being blindsided but it's a chance for him to explain himself wrap up the year before they go on the
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holidays and the new year and give canadians a little insight to what's going on and what's the
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plan and then as canadians we deserve that yeah i actually think when the opposition is looking like
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a party by comparison uh personality wise it's time to step up the game and warm up uh to the cameras
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you know i i don't want a cheesy lying prime minister but i do think it's important to communicate
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with your your constituents look mike i understand that this is not his comfort zone yeah this is not
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what he's used to however there's been many things along his career from goldman sachs to the bank of
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canada the bank of england and brookfield and all his financial appointments and all the boards that
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he sat on over the years you can't tell me that he hasn't done things he wasn't really a big fan of
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or didn't want to go to or didn't want to be a part of but it did it because it was necessary
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and this is necessary for the nation for the people and for the country going forward that he actually
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i mean lets his hair down a bit it just just relax for a little bit and have a nice conversation
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with a reporter we liked about chretchen right chretchen was the master of it you know and and
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he didn't mo rooney he wasn't like the most beautiful mo rooney is another one right yeah yeah willing to
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have a conversation one-on-one with canadians and be comfortable being a canadian and i think that
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that's what needs to be at least we need to have that vibe i just had a flashback there was a great
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one in the mid 90s and it was lloyd robertson and jean christian having just a chat before the holidays
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about different things in canada and you went to the holidays and you had a understanding where the
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prime minister was coming from and their future and where they were going and and for carny whether
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he likes it or not he has to sit down with his public relations team and his media relations team
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and set up those interviews with the cbc and ctv and other outlets maybe maybe true patriot love
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hello and and just spend a few minutes hey how's it going i know it's tough but like this is what
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we're working on let the reporter say to you why are you so grumpy with us i'm not you know like i'm
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not great even if he just said i'm not great at the press thing or whatever but he but that
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disarming is required it is and that goes back to some of the what people are saying that he's
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impatient hard driving and demanding and doesn't like being questioned and right to him having
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reporters question his decisions question what his plans are question what he's doing oh i get it i
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hate it too but like but as prime minister you can't show those cards right because now the reporters
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know i can push his button i'm getting sound bites i'm getting clicks this is great yeah they do it with
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trump all the time but that i mean do you have the conversations in air force one or the you know
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and then he's going shut up piggy and it goes viral quiet piggy you know what's so funny jim i wanted to
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end today's show with telling you quiet but i think i've never felt so more loved but uh i think we're on
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the same page thanks so much for chatting with me thanks for being here thank you uh don't forget
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subscribe uh tell a friend about what we're up to here sorry nick making you struggle comments we love
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your comments some of the comments we love you know no no no i'll take all the comments come on now
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some of them are hurtful no no no i've changed uh i've changed my glasses to borrowing uh co-workers
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and meanwhile our sales guy can't even see what he's selling because he took his glasses you know
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what he's got it memorized thanks see you next time