True Patriot Love - Elbows Up RETHINK： Did Mark Carney’s Campaign Slogan Cost Canada？

00:00:00.000 elbows up it started as a funny little campaign with mike myers from wayne's world fame the pride

00:00:09.440 of scarborough and uh wannabe prime minister mark carney and it worked and it worked to no end as

00:00:15.560 mark carney is prime minister and the elbows up cry is still loud and clear across the country

00:00:20.700 to talk more about it and how much it cost us as a country as always paul macucci paul how are you

00:00:25.680 Hey, Jim, how you doing?

00:00:26.920 Good, good.

00:00:27.740 Now, as a guy who still plays beer league hockey every Wednesday,

00:00:31.160 I know about elbows up, and when I first saw it,

00:00:33.740 I thought it was kind of hokey.

00:00:35.240 However, there's no question it resonated with Canadians of all ages,

00:00:40.500 and still to this day, it resonates.

00:00:42.700 Even though Mark Carney, I don't hear him mention the phrase elbows up,

00:00:46.460 but Canadians from coast to coast still mention it.

00:00:48.780 Oh, yeah, sure they do.

00:00:49.740 And, you know, Mike Myers came in.

00:00:51.820 He did the commercials with him.

00:00:54.300 you know i guess you know they paid him to come aboard sure he came aboard he's back in hollywood

00:00:59.340 uh i think he has two homes in the u.s so he went back to the u.s um and you know he's living his

00:01:04.860 life back as a pseudo-american and here we are you know with the uh the leftovers i guess of

00:01:13.580 the remnants of the campaign and you know it's interesting you know we did a show recently on

00:01:19.100 the gordy howbridge yeah absolutely right still closed right and that today they came out and they

00:01:25.500 actually put the toll rates out yes i saw that yeah yeah so it's a toll battle between the two

00:01:31.500 bridges okay so two minutes i'm gonna go off you know my head blew off when i saw this so you know

00:01:37.740 eight dollars uh canadian for a passenger vehicle um and uh twelve dollars an axle for a commercial

00:01:46.780 will be okay all right for the gordy howe bridge for the gordy howe bridge yes so what happens if

00:01:53.820 the existing ambassador bridge has a toll rate below it i mean i think it's a it's a time thing

00:02:01.380 you'll have to say oh because you can check your app before you cross oh it's a 10 minute wait at

00:02:07.400 one bridge it's 30 minutes at another and if you're under time crunch you may spend extra money

00:02:12.540 because you need to get across quicker across right so only if it's empty yeah is is the

00:02:19.780 crossing at the bridge ever full anymore you know not with passenger vehicles maybe with

00:02:24.540 commercial vehicles i think it's more commercial yeah there's trust me i've been across a couple

00:02:28.800 times now there's no passenger vehicles no right so no which is we'll get into it later which is

00:02:34.380 a byproduct it elbows up so for all the just-in-time deliveries of food delivery and etc

00:02:39.980 that's where you're getting your bulk of the people right so this campaign you know as you

00:02:44.620 mentioned uh when we started it was really based on you know a legendary hockey player uh gordy

00:02:52.040 howe played for the red wings uh with 801 goals kept the record um up until wayne gretzky i think

00:02:59.720 it was wayne it was wayne and then uh alex ovechkin broke gretzky's record right but i

00:03:05.540 i had the great privilege to meet gordy how twice oh yeah and the second time i met him it was a

00:03:12.660 year before he passed and this this story gets me so i want to take a photo for my dad who was

00:03:17.660 getting older who like idolized gordy how and he shook my hand and you it's hard to understand oh

00:03:24.240 yeah how big and strong his hands were even as an 80 year old man and and then the cameraman said

00:03:30.480 turned to the camera and as I smiled he gave me an elbow to the ribs it was one it's one of my

00:03:36.260 favorite interactions and and he you know used those elbows during his playing days to gain

00:03:44.760 respect and gain space on the ice and there's a lot of video evidence in his NHL days and when

00:03:51.080 the WHA when he played with his sons of young players getting too close and that elbow would

00:03:56.100 go out and you knew not to mess with gordy how yeah well he was the all-rounder right so basically

00:04:02.440 he could you know he would get an assist a goal and a fight all in one game the gordy howe hat

00:04:08.160 trick yeah the gordy howe hat trick and that's how he was known and uh a legend for it because

00:04:13.080 he was as tough as he was a good hockey player it's so talent wise but you know it's interesting

00:04:18.560 and i was you know you track his career and uh you and i've talked about it before the wha right

00:04:23.840 so he retires from the nhl that's right you know and he had kind of um it was gordy how

00:04:29.600 uh and it was mark and marty his son mark and marty and then the other nhl uh oh there's one

00:04:36.240 other guy went into the wha made it famous oh bobby hall bobby hall yeah right so bobby hall so

00:04:41.680 with bobby hall with the wicked slap shot yeah yeah so bobby hall and they were the ones who

00:04:46.400 kind of branded it you know it's it's kind of like you see in professional golf and tennis now as you

00:04:50.960 You see these other groups sort of starting up.

00:04:54.640 So they were kind of the flagship players that went over.

00:04:57.920 Absolutely.

00:04:58.340 With a young Wayne Gretzky and tried this league.

00:05:01.400 But this league was, you know, probably in trouble before it started.

00:05:06.340 It was, but I will say this.

00:05:08.400 Because they overpaid for names, the NHL stars at the time were underpaid, Paul.

00:05:14.580 Oh, big time.

00:05:15.120 So he, Gordy and Bobby, and those players raised the limit of pay.

00:05:20.980 And there's a lot of guys in the NHL who went from making, honestly, 30, 40, 50 a year to making over 100 a year because of what they did in the WHA.

00:05:29.940 They made a lot of old school NHL players money.

00:05:33.740 Back in the day, people don't realize this.

00:05:35.880 NHL players needed jobs in the summer because they didn't make enough money.

00:05:39.240 So Christy Pitts, when I was a kid, you know, we used to go down and meet the NHL players coming out of the pits with their lunch buckets.

00:05:45.120 yeah and uh you know you my dad's insurance broker was an nhl guy yeah so you know like they're

00:05:51.440 for his businesses so you used to meet nhl players everywhere that's right so yeah it was it was kind

00:05:57.200 of the the starting of salary increases to get decent wages but it also you know and i'm not

00:06:03.600 complaining but you know some things you do notice higher salaries meant less uh in the end basically

00:06:10.560 less involvement with the with the fan base and i remember the old nhl players you know dickie duff

00:06:16.000 i remember dickie duff on a sunday morning cutting across high park with a cashmere coat

00:06:21.760 and a top hat uh stopping to tip pucks into the net with us and talk for a minute that's pretty

00:06:26.720 cool and then off he went right you know they were they were normal guys who were you know had their

00:06:31.040 own fun lives right yeah and they were in the bars and the restaurants and used to see them about town

00:06:36.000 you know having fun and yeah they all had interesting challenges but they were they were

00:06:40.080 real characters and we lost that a little with uh with you know the salary increases but you know

00:06:45.680 fast forward you know wha goes forward uh it it you know it has seven seasons tumultuous at best

00:06:53.120 you know teams open team close teams move cities and all of a sudden the nhl said okay we're going

00:06:58.400 to pay some teams to disappear and then you can fold into us yeah they took four they took the

00:07:04.480 the Quebec Nordiques, the Edmonton Oilers.

00:07:06.680 They took the Hartford Whalers at the time. 0.55

00:07:09.300 And so all of a sudden you had these, and Winnipeg Jets,

00:07:12.320 these four teams now were part of the NHL.

00:07:15.160 And what happened was for the NHL,

00:07:18.920 Wayne Gretzky's idol and mentor was Gordie Howe.

00:07:21.960 And as Wayne entered the league and was deemed to be too small,

00:07:26.160 he'll never survive,

00:07:27.980 they ended up becoming the dynasty of the 1980s.

00:07:31.180 And, and it's all, you can point to so many things in hockey back to Gordie Howe, the way he carried himself.

00:07:38.940 He was always a gentleman to, um, to the media and fans, treated fans young and old with the utmost respect and, and all my travels and, and broadcasting and sports broadcasting.

00:07:50.180 And I'm sure he's had bad days, but I've yet to hear a story about a bad interaction with Gordie Howe.

00:07:55.120 Yeah, no, no, it just doesn't exist.

00:07:57.120 No, no. And, you know, his his contribution to that league and and, you know, that league being a little bit rogue and it was it was a rogue.

00:08:06.480 Yes, it was. And hockey. So he broke ground. Yeah. But the league ended up being sucked up and actually, you know, joined the NHL and went on to have a bigger NHL with more American teams and more star power.

00:08:20.040 Yeah. But it really was the kind of the Americanization of hockey at that time. Right. Yeah.

00:08:25.240 So it's interesting, you know, I was getting ready for the show, you know, and I'm looking kind of at the analogy where we are right now.

00:08:31.540 We created a campaign based on elbows up, based on a guy who's a great guy, but really led kind of the movement that actually North Americanized hockey, amalgamated the league and actually took it into the U.S. in a big way.

00:08:49.900 Well, it's weird because when they first amalgamated, it was three of the four teams were Canadian.

00:08:54.240 And of course, Winnipeg ended up moving to Phoenix, which is now in Utah.

00:08:59.120 But then Winnipeg got their team back after Atlanta folded and the Nordiques became the Colorado Avalanche.

00:09:05.240 But at the time, it looked great because all of a sudden you had Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver.

00:09:10.760 You had also instantly six Canadian NHL teams in a small league.

00:09:14.520 And it was great.

00:09:15.460 And in the 80s, it was into the early 90s, it was the Oilers, the Canadians, the Flames were all winning all the Stanley Cups.

00:09:23.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:24.240 for about a 10-year period it was almost all canadian teams winning right and now look at now

00:09:29.200 yep right yeah we don't win at all no right it's been 1993 is a long time ago you know and now we

00:09:35.040 have team canada yes you know the u.s the men and the ladies yes times are changing well yes so this

00:09:42.160 is an interesting you know like i i find and you know it's i sometimes you know and with canadians

00:09:47.360 i sometimes say okay we got to wake up now because we're we're not living in the past

00:09:51.600 you know mike myers elbows up gordy howe it's all good stuff but it's led us to where we are now and

00:09:57.520 so now we're sitting 110 days out from kuzma right yeah we have a new trade ambassador new head of

00:10:06.880 trade right janice janice sure yeah right uh dominic leblanc still making those trips down

00:10:13.120 to washington which we're not hearing much about we we have a prime minister who's on the road

00:10:18.880 you know pretty much full-time right he's he's kind of decided that you know trade missions

00:10:24.640 everywhere in the world are real important so i get it um i don't quite understand some of the

00:10:31.520 logic i you know i've talked to you about that i you know given uh you know there's a bunch of

00:10:37.200 data out there and i'm sure he looks at it too the majority of our exporting is to the us we all know

00:10:43.120 that 419 million dollars or billion dollars a billion go to the us china is the next closest

00:10:51.040 at 13 but we only export 21 billion to china we only export 6 billion to mexico yeah uh the uk

00:11:01.600 20 billion right right so like this is it like you know as we get closer and we got 110 days to go

00:11:10.400 yeah we're we're kind of in the throes of the decision now so elbows up i know it was a it

00:11:16.880 was a it was a campaign slogan it worked it worked to perfection right but you know you always you

00:11:23.120 got to watch what you ask for so you run on a campaign where you're going to be defensive and

00:11:28.000 you're going to go out so now you have to deliver because we're coming to that point where you know

00:11:33.040 it's time to giddy up and if you're going to replace you know some of these deals and you're

00:11:39.120 going to have middle country discussions and all that good stuff it's time to now sort of show us

00:11:44.480 where that trade is going to come from but paul who who are we speaking to who are we dealing with

00:11:50.640 now if i'm mark carney and i'm canada and i'm dealing with norway and japan and these other

00:11:57.600 countries you have a pretty good sense of where they're coming from and the relationship you're

00:12:02.640 dealing with with donald trump right now how can you be sure between now and 110 days what you're

00:12:10.080 dealing with look what's going on in the persian gulf in the strait of hormuz he seemed to claim

00:12:15.760 and it was his quote that the straighter hormones that everything was great

00:12:20.080 and this was his exact quote on the straighter hormones that the straits are in great shape

00:12:25.520 the same day that there's tankers on fire everywhere and the price of gas in canada is

00:12:32.400 going to go up on friday and again on saturday and diesel right and they don't know when it's

00:12:37.280 going to stop and when this is going to end so i know what i know but kuzma negotiating or you

00:12:44.720 are we dealing with serious people and are we dealing with the right people

00:12:48.720 and they're so distracted with everything going on with iran and everything going on in their

00:12:52.800 country i'm not really sure how binding this deal is even going to be right well but at some point

00:13:00.560 that's a discussion we need to have right and then we need to set down and we need to figure out

00:13:07.120 how we're going to replace certain industries if we're going to replace certain industries

00:13:11.280 if we're going to export certain other places how that's going to happen or quite frankly

00:13:16.240 that isn't going to happen you know the the car industry is still sitting in flux right

00:13:20.880 we're 110 days out soft lumber still sitting in flux steel and aluminum still sitting in

00:13:26.480 flux like all these industries are sitting at flux we're on the heels of a 15 percent tariff

00:13:33.040 across the board once july first uh ends and right frankly that's another issue that i know

00:13:39.840 trump's got to deal with in his own congress but it's all things coming to like we're

00:13:45.920 We're now, at some point, have to sit down.

00:13:51.280 It's probably not elbows up anymore.

00:13:54.120 It's kind of elbows down, hands out for a handshake.

00:13:58.740 But who, but no, but Paul, but okay, if there wasn't a war in Iran right now,

00:14:02.900 if he didn't face a Supreme Court challenge that shot down the tariffs

00:14:06.660 and the Congress shot down the tariffs,

00:14:08.440 if he was a normal president and a normal presidential tenure,

00:14:12.860 then it would be a different conversation about the kuzma negotiations there's nothing normal

00:14:17.860 about what's going on in america right now so how if i'm mark carney how would i go into these

00:14:23.720 negotiations and send my top assistants into negotiations who are we dealing with and what

00:14:29.640 are we dealing with because it seems to change week by week but didn't we didn't we exacerbate

00:14:35.600 that so we went elbows up we said we're going to fight like if you look at the the the differences

00:14:41.280 between uh mexico and us yes right she's been the president's very quiet right does he call her

00:14:50.720 the governor of mexico i mean he insults our country and our prime minister on a regular basis

00:14:58.280 i am not i'm gonna make this clear i'm not a big mark carney fan there's things about him i don't

00:15:03.200 like but i get pissed off when donald trump and the white house starts calling our prime minister

00:15:07.620 the governor of canada right but that started you know before carney that started in the trudeau

00:15:14.260 yeah but he keeps doing it i know but you know trudeau kind of barreled down there and you know

00:15:20.340 made a mistake at the beginning at the end of his tenure and that's kind of carried on through the

00:15:24.660 discussion so you know we kind of went wayward we seemed like we had that relationship back in tow

00:15:30.180 and then you know we went and did a bunch of stuff to damage that you know commercials in the u.s we

00:15:36.260 did a bunch of things that got us back offside we've never come it does not appear that we've

00:15:42.260 come back on side so 110 days left to go you know it looks like we are going to have bilateral uh

00:15:51.780 negotiations with the us right now on trade if we are at all and what does that mean so you know i

00:15:59.780 guess we can keep traveling and try to talk to other countries which is great yeah at some point

00:16:04.900 we have to settle down we have to say listen in 110 days you know we're not going to have an

00:16:11.140 agreement we're going to see an increase in cost and we're going to go out and we're going to start

00:16:15.780 to do the following you know 10 things and those 10 things are going to be supported by like that's

00:16:23.140 the that's the plan i'm looking for now because i just don't see it was all great elbows up it was

00:16:28.420 all great all those conversations but you know you look at it and you go through and you you know like

00:16:33.620 i said uh you have uh food costs are up yes you know vehicle costs are up you know everything is

00:16:42.660 kind of uh risen we saw a spike a little bit of employment at the end of 25 but i think that was

00:16:48.340 because people were getting ready for tariffs so they were hiring temporary workers to store things

00:16:53.620 inside the country and through the the holiday rush as well yeah so we saw a spike a little bit

00:16:58.420 of a spike in employment but that's kind of leveling off so i'm looking now now i'm looking

00:17:03.460 for that plan right i'm looking to say okay you know i've traveled around the world here's the

00:17:09.460 agreements i have you know we're going to now build cars in canada the following way we're

00:17:15.620 going to now use our lumber for this and here's how the government's going to either subsidize

00:17:21.220 it support it or encourage it you know whether it's financially or whether it's just dropping

00:17:26.500 uh interprovincial trade you know again we've talked a lot about interprovincial trade barriers

00:17:33.240 they're still up yeah we haven't done anything no they're still again we haven't done anything

00:17:37.640 he hasn't stepped in to make sure that's done the premiers you know they've had how many dinners

00:17:42.880 how many meetings right yeah we still haven't seen any of that it's it's time you know to get

00:17:50.220 our hands dirty and not worry about elbows up and start to try to figure out projects

00:17:54.780 in specific industries to drive forward and that's where i'm kind of at the point

00:17:58.340 unless you think you're going to get a deal unless you think that this is just some

00:18:02.500 you know hard negotiating that's going to go into the summer i don't see it and to your point

00:18:09.360 based on uh trump's instability i don't see it and i don't see anyone around him in in a real

00:18:17.000 hurry to get involved with canada to make that happen so and that's where i'm coming from paul

00:18:23.240 It's Carney knows that the president's unstable.

00:18:26.660 He's completely distracted every hour of every day now with what's happening in the Strait of Hormuz and Persian Gulf and all his domestic issues.

00:18:35.680 So if I'm Mark Carney, why would I go to Washington now and start negotiating with a distracted president?

00:18:41.400 So I am going to go around.

00:18:43.440 I mean, even if the people of Canada are going, where the hell is he going?

00:18:46.400 start cutting deals in all these countries and then sit down with trump maybe end of march maybe

00:18:53.780 in april when he's less distracted and start really seriously talking about an agreement and

00:18:58.860 send his people there i don't think you could do it right now especially with everything going on

00:19:04.480 in america i don't think this is the right time i know the deadline's coming paul yeah but he's not

00:19:10.760 a normal president in a normal time in american history no no he listen he's got his hands full

00:19:16.020 i get it right you know there's a lot going on in his world every day but there's a lot going on

00:19:21.140 around the world for him right right so so park him for you know okay park him for a minute

00:19:27.860 what's our plan what's what's our strategy now so we we were six or seven months late

00:19:36.340 uh getting a budget through last year right so we really didn't do you know because of elections and

00:19:42.020 everything going on we missed all that you know we tried to do budget shows they were tough because

00:19:46.980 quite frankly we were so late and our budgets became our actuals fine right all that because

00:19:54.260 of elections and everything when i say okay the mea copa let's move on now we're done that we're

00:19:59.780 coming up to march 31st the government's here and where's the plan right most businesses most

00:20:05.780 most governments have already dropped a plan into market right right so now sit down with us and

00:20:12.180 tell us what the plan is now so now is the time to say okay here's how we did you know we forecasted

00:20:18.180 this we actually had a deficit of this here's what we're doing next year you know i saw i saw

00:20:24.420 the provinces are dropping their you know alberta the other week ontario is going to do the 26 and

00:20:30.660 they're warning us now they're actually coming out and saying hey this is going to be bad like

00:20:35.460 uh minister bethenfall of in ontario was all over the news the other day he's like

00:20:39.940 listen i'm sorry uh geopolitical uh things happening are going to cause us to retract

00:20:47.140 our spending um so we're going to dial back and here's where we got to go now we don't show all

00:20:53.380 that because we're talking about a bunch of major projects and yeah in ontario but um it's time for

00:21:00.660 you know our prime minister and the finances to sit down and tell us okay

00:21:05.400 here's where we think we're going to be you know the u.s we you know if that a large portion of

00:21:13.480 that 419 billion dollars goes away here's what canada looks like here's how we pivot and here's

00:21:19.860 where we're going to spend the money on they started part of that they have but think about

00:21:24.560 They have three crucial by-elections coming up April 13th, which would give Carney and the Liberals their majority after the recent floor crossing.

00:21:33.900 So now they have a majority.

00:21:35.400 They know then they can go on negotiations.

00:21:38.320 They have the majority in the House of Commons.

00:21:40.540 They are running the government for the next three years.

00:21:43.120 After the by-election, April 13th, that's when they get really serious, that mid-late April, because they have the hammer in the House of Commons.

00:21:50.280 They have the majority.

00:21:51.360 They don't have to worry about any votes.

00:21:52.840 If they decide to do some of the negotiation, there is no one and nothing that can stop them.

00:21:58.080 So about a month from now, when the by-elections are over and they have their expected majority, this is when things get really serious.

00:22:06.000 I hope so. I hope so.

00:22:08.240 I mean, I'm thinking they're probably doing preemptive negotiations behind the scenes internally.

00:22:14.840 So when they have the majority, then they can push forward and go, hey, Canada, this is what we're doing and this is why we're doing it.

00:22:20.660 right no no and i'm totally with you on that by election so let's talk about by election okay

00:22:27.520 right so by elections if they get them all right which they could they only need two they need

00:22:34.540 they need two i know so they get them yeah they get the majority which is great they're they're

00:22:40.400 only the government yeah for the people right they're not it's not a kingdom it's not whatever

00:22:47.980 So they still have to come back and tell the people what they want to do. Right. They regardless. So that's they have to explain where we're going, what we're doing and how we're doing it. Right. And that. Yeah. Well, OK. You are 100 percent right. Right. You're elected officials. Yeah, they should be. They forgive me for my cynicism. I know. But once Carney and the liberals have a majority, they will tell the Canadian people what they want to tell them.

00:23:17.000 They're not going to tell them everything. They're not going to tell them the truth. They're going to spit it in such a way to keep the population fairly calm and make it look good for them. That's the honest truth.

00:23:29.320 but but think about some of the economic indicators that possibly could drop oh absolutely right this

00:23:36.140 could be horrendous like come july if we don't have kuzma in place so we don't have an agreement

00:23:41.960 we drop out our exports unemployment skyrockets like the potential outcome of this is horrendous

00:23:50.400 so it's not like you're gonna be able to hide from that like no i appreciate what you're saying

00:23:55.440 but this isn't to your point about not being normal times in the u.s this isn't normal times

00:24:00.740 in canada so i think when where i'm going with this is what usually could be like a trudeau era

00:24:07.300 where quite frankly you gain majority or you do a compact with the ndp that was fine right you know

00:24:13.540 you could do that canadians kind of took that then you could do whatever you want spend whatever you

00:24:17.480 want kind of create these silly programs give money all over the world travel whatever but no

00:24:22.460 really questioned it but you're not in those times no so quite frankly july comes regardless

00:24:29.180 of you and and that's why it's not as important to have a majority anymore and i think where the

00:24:35.180 liberals are making a little bit of a uh strategic error right now is if everything falls out in the

00:24:43.580 middle of the summer canadians are not going to care who's really in power or who has votes

00:24:50.140 Canadians are going to be clamoring at the door saying, you need to fix this.

00:24:55.540 You know, you can't let gas go up because we're an oil and gas rich country.

00:25:01.240 We're so and, you know, I agree.

00:25:04.500 Canadians are funny.

00:25:05.400 We're very conservative and we're very quiet most of the time politically.

00:25:11.000 But when your unemployment rate skyrockets over 10 percent, when your gas price goes over 250, then you're going to start to see a different Canadian come out. 0.99

00:25:20.080 When seniors who are the majority support for the Liberals all of a sudden see their home equity go to like 10% of what it was pre-COVID, then they're going to be like, hmm, I'm not good with this, right?

00:25:37.780 There is a cult of personality about the Liberal Party, which their unofficial nickname is the Natural Governing Party of Canada.

00:25:46.560 Right. And fair or not, there are legions of people, even if they're paying more, even if they have less money, even if their home equity goes down, we'll support them.

00:25:56.880 I know from you, from a logical accounting standpoint, you're like, that doesn't make sense.

00:26:02.800 But they have that. And if they have the majority, even if the people are upset, they'll go, well, we got three years before we have to worry about it.

00:26:10.020 and they can put the commercials out in the social media post and go on cbc and ctv and let you know

00:26:17.140 don't worry we'll ride this out together elbows up and we'll be fine and they'll that's how

00:26:21.540 they're going to spin it yeah no no i'm with you i'm with you and i think i i really do think that

00:26:28.180 that uh underestimating the potential climate i think canadians think that there's not a bottom

00:26:35.860 and i think quite frankly i agree where the the fatal mistake we're making at this point

00:26:41.060 whether it be politically or just as society as canadians there is a bottom and quite frankly

00:26:47.860 if the u.s decides to just walk away for a short period of time regardless of how many

00:26:53.140 other export deals you can knock down it really isn't going to but it's not going to help and

00:26:59.380 quite frankly we're too far these 10-year projects that we have on the docket now

00:27:03.780 are too far out we won't it won't matter right you know forget the pipeline you know

00:27:09.580 no point in talking about pipelines anymore we're done i think criticize get a pipeline you can

00:27:14.600 criticize doug ford all you want ontario the ontario line is being built they're building a

00:27:19.560 subway in downtown toronto that hasn't been built in downtown toronto since the 1950s that will go

00:27:25.780 from the bloor danforth line all the way down to exhibition place they're building the tunnels in

00:27:30.720 stations right now yeah and it will open like that's what as canadians that's what we want to

00:27:35.840 see we want to see construction and pipes and scaffolding and stuff being built and you i mean

00:27:41.920 doug ford makes a lot of mistakes but he's actually building the damn tunnel for the subway that will

00:27:47.040 get built yeah yeah no i know and so and that's why i think he honestly that's why i think he 0.76

00:27:53.120 gets a pass from a lot of people because at the very least he's moving projects right at the very

00:27:59.920 this he's moving projects and don't you want to be as a canadian driving by and say oh look we're

00:28:05.440 building this we're doing that wouldn't that help federally it's time to move projects yeah that's

00:28:10.080 what i'm saying yeah so i agree 100 and whether you have a majority or not you're only going to

00:28:16.960 get so much leeway from canadian citizens yep if you don't and i think that's the fatal mistake now

00:28:24.160 and you know the more i take a look at what's happening so the more you know every day you

00:28:29.280 wake up and you go to the grocery store grocery prices aren't going down no all my expenses are

00:28:34.640 not going down uh i see these municipalities and they are dipping into their reserves because they

00:28:41.280 have elections coming up i think to myself oh my goodness talked about being out to lunch

00:28:47.360 your municipal governments right now in canada are just way out to lunch they're not even getting

00:28:53.360 what's happening they're in their own little bubble and i go to these meetings and i listen

00:28:57.840 to these municipal politicians let's build a park let's build a skating rink uh let's uh you know

00:29:05.520 use the reserves to not increase property tax let's do all these things and i think to myself

00:29:11.600 you know let's defer uh development fees like all these things that i'm thinking to myself what are

00:29:16.560 you doing at this point like quite frankly if things get worse and you've already dipped into

00:29:22.240 your reserves and you only have so much left like you're not paying attention to the ultimate outcome

00:29:27.120 here or you're not realizing what is the worst case scenario and that's where i think you know

00:29:32.480 you you started with trump so this is an interesting one because you know it's funny

00:29:36.320 we criticize trump all the time i do it too i sit at home and i say to my wife every night look at

00:29:40.640 that i don't believe that i don't believe what's on the screen and everything else why is he doing

00:29:44.960 that it makes no sense you know he's he's oblivious you know i go through it every night but then i

00:29:50.960 look at us and i think to myself are we kind of making the same mistake are we drinking our own

00:29:55.120 kool-aid saying oh look at that american guy you know look at all the mistakes he's making

00:29:59.760 yeah he's making a lot of mistakes our mistake right now majority or not by elections whatever

00:30:06.080 because let's be serious we've talked about it before i don't even think there's going to be a

00:30:10.880 contest for by elections i think we don't have an opposition and uh formal opposition i think

00:30:15.840 they have no interest you know it's not in the two toronto writings there's no hope of conservative

00:30:20.400 winning well it's so funny the the conservative uh leader you know pierre yeah he's traveling

00:30:26.720 in texas yeah yeah he's traveling in texas the announcement of the by-election is now

00:30:32.080 it's on yeah you think you'd be back on ground you think you'd be come to ground you know get

00:30:37.440 an apartment in toronto go to work and he wants to go on joe rogan oh great you want joe rogan

00:30:45.200 if you're going to have a film career yeah but you know it really makes no sense right yeah

00:30:49.680 joe rogan great joe rogan shows are okay you know but quite frankly him sitting there having a

00:30:56.000 hour and a half dialogue about how bad canada is on joe rogan doesn't help canada right and it

00:31:00.960 doesn't help his candidates in uh rosedale scarborough southwest or terrebon quebec

00:31:06.720 not at all yeah well how much time do you even spend picking them i i don't know he hasn't been

00:31:12.720 around all i know is tear bun it's it's it's the block or the liberals yeah and the rosedale

00:31:18.960 riding someone said i could put my pet cat there and they'll vote liberal like that's a no-brainer

00:31:24.240 and scarborough southwest is a fairly safe liberal riding as well so so you you know let's for all

00:31:30.160 purposes they end up with a majority right still doesn't change the ultimate downfall if things

00:31:38.240 collapse there's no government there's no government that can survive a collapse in the economy

00:31:43.360 no they you know arnold swartzenegger even in california you know when when i met uh him years

00:31:49.040 ago quite frankly and he he famous line right there's no politician can escape a recession

00:31:57.280 or depression no one survives no right you might go two or three years quite frankly you might limp

00:32:03.040 along but that will be the end of you and quite frankly it'll wipe you out so if you allow it to

00:32:08.080 happen regardless and honestly maybe strategically it's leaving them to carry the ball maybe maybe

00:32:17.200 right now you and i've had this conversation maybe it's kind of a conservative thing let them carry

00:32:21.200 the ball because it's going to collapse and then they they slip in there they think they can so

00:32:26.320 right now canadians correct or incorrect believe that mark carney is the only person capable of

00:32:33.040 steering us through the next few years the polling on all demographics and all provinces indicate

00:32:38.720 that like overwhelmingly yeah so if things get bad and i i find it hard to believe that carney

00:32:44.960 with his background and his inner circle don't have a private doomsday scenario economically

00:32:50.320 that they don't want to share with anyone because they know how bad it could be but the belief out

00:32:54.640 there with the average canadian is if it gets bad he can steer us through it now whether or not he

00:32:59.680 can will be proven especially as you say come july 1st in kuzma and in the aftermath if it doesn't

00:33:06.080 work out but the belief is beyond a shadow of a doubt right now that no one in canada trusts

00:33:10.880 anyone else but carney to get them through the next three or four months well that's yeah uh in

00:33:17.200 polling so right yeah i get it you know what i mean so you know my thinking about that exactly

00:33:22.400 yeah it'd be great it'd be great to get an independent poll sure and actually ask the

00:33:28.240 question but that's not gonna that's not gonna happen no it would be nice it'd be nice right now

00:33:33.440 and i i understand what you're saying and they do say that on mainstream tv does tell us constantly

00:33:40.160 yeah that the polling is this i get it right it'd be nice to actually get an independent person run

00:33:47.040 an independent poll and actually let's pull each other right now independently yeah you're going

00:33:53.840 into kuzma who do you want leading canada do you want carney or pauliev

00:33:59.920 for these negotiations considering what's at stake in the gravity of it you just outlined

00:34:06.800 like i i'll vote now i'll vote carney because i don't trust pauliev right has the muscle

00:34:12.240 and and the wherewithal to come up with the best deal for the country considering who he's

00:34:17.200 who he's dealing with i guess i don't know this new trade ambassador so my my concern right now

00:34:23.360 the reason i paused i probably would have done the same thing as used i don't know this oh jenna

00:34:27.440 charrette new young lady so i have no idea she's well regarded to me as being a very tough negotiator 1.00

00:34:33.040 yeah to me to me i'd have to see who paulia put forward in that role so the okay the question

00:34:39.840 and and you know quite frankly if i was sitting in him rather than touring to the uk touring touring

00:34:45.200 to the us i would have identified someone who i would have wanted to do that see if i'm sitting

00:34:51.040 and i'm having personal credibility if people can't believe in me i would actually uh i would

00:34:57.260 increase my backbench i would increase my support by actually bringing in someone who people said

00:35:02.740 oh so that's an interesting duo paul lacucci yeah for example with an experience in this this and

00:35:09.480 this who has this is his mile-long resume and he's my appointee to lead what we would do and have

00:35:17.240 them out there speaking to the media and doing podcasts and interviews that would be a completely

00:35:21.960 different narrative for the conservatives right now right instead of giving speeches abroad but

00:35:27.420 i'm with you so that is my only condition that i do put on that question but you know what i'd like

00:35:33.260 to see honestly i'd like to see now and uh you know interesting conversation i would like to

00:35:40.020 see someone go forward and ask that question so now here's an interesting thing have you know

00:35:46.440 obviously um the prime minister thinks the janice yes is the right person so he's picked the person

00:35:52.920 that he believes will do the best so that that's that's a judgment call you pick the team you think

00:35:57.240 you can go to uh war with or you think you can go to fight with that will win right so he's done

00:36:02.120 that he's picked the team i would like to ask the same question of paulia okay who would you pick

00:36:09.400 okay now and look at it and i'd say okay like that makes sense and that's what i've done i don't

00:36:15.400 think he has as much interest in doing any of that quite frankly you know what he did the other day

00:36:19.400 he did one of his silly booze uh prop videos uh complaining about not being able to buy bc wine

00:36:27.640 in ontario we have we've talked about that canadians are fed up with the eating the apple 0.85

00:36:34.120 pouring the booze and all these grandstanding sort of prop videos sort of immature and amateur hour

00:36:41.240 videos right why not have someone with a huge resume and background standing beside you and say

00:36:47.360 i'm going to introduce this woman this man and they're going to tell you why they can negotiate

00:36:51.780 better we did this show on defense and you brought up an but it's funny by the end of the show you

00:36:56.940 hit an idea and we didn't yeah rehearse that or anything we didn't talk about before

00:37:00.660 jean uh right and you brought it up and i was like oh that's a really good idea

00:37:07.040 like if if i'm if i'm sitting in his shoes right now i'm having that aha moment so you know if he's

00:37:14.740 if he's watching the show please watch the show with jim where he comes up with that aha moment

00:37:19.540 he picks someone who quite frankly would bolster the defense program the national defense strategy

00:37:25.420 and hopefully make it happen because there's another one jim you know and i'm not going to

00:37:29.520 get into it but quite frankly we're going to do a follow-up show and i was prepping for it the other

00:37:33.720 night have we built anything have we built a home have we have we where it's our recruitment numbers

00:37:39.640 like the recruitment numbers i will say that are going up and they're building more um lodging and

00:37:45.960 residences for the young recruits they are trying to lay the foundation so they are making some

00:37:51.620 inroads right so so tell us come to us and tell us you build you know you built 100 homes you know

00:37:57.860 tell us that you recruited you know don't be shy yeah right send some milestones send some benchmarks

00:38:04.340 like you would in any business and start telling us again you know the thing about that forget

00:38:09.220 elbows up for a minute the thing that would actually do well because you know if you're

00:38:13.620 coming to a difficult time and there's going to be a bump in the road whether you're in business

00:38:17.380 in life whatever it's better to over communicate oh yeah yeah because you know you might think

00:38:23.220 you're teflon and you get you're going to get a majority and life's going to go well but you know

00:38:27.780 what you might be better at this point to over communicate your plans and make sure you have

00:38:32.100 a plan on the ground and explain why tell people why it didn't work take a page out of doug ford's

00:38:37.620 book quite frankly you know because you make mistakes but quite frankly you just keep moving

00:38:42.180 forward and you know maybe you'll get through it and maybe people will give you the latitude to

00:38:47.700 make those mistakes trying first not but i think not putting out a plan not putting out a budget

00:38:53.620 believing that if you get a majority you can just run everything the way you want to while you're

00:38:58.900 actually supposed to be representing the people is a fatal mistake regardless of you have majority or

00:39:03.860 not and you know maybe you do it and maybe you make it but quite frankly the doomsday the backs

00:39:11.140 black swan event that actually happens that drops you in that hole because you didn't do that is

00:39:17.380 what you have to worry about right now and it's for all his fault so one thing if you're ontario

00:39:22.180 and you go on youtube or you turn on the radio in your car or you're on tv there's endless ontario

00:39:30.260 ads we're building this we're doing this we're creating this now it's in part of it is to get

00:39:36.980 the message out and part of it is in today's society when's the last time a family sat around

00:39:42.660 on the TV and watch the 10 o'clock news or six o'clock news.

00:39:46.520 So they know that.

00:39:48.220 I'll give them credit.

00:39:49.320 They're comms teams.

00:39:50.680 So they're putting it out there, social media, radio, TV.

00:39:54.340 And the federal government would be wise, as you say, to do the same.

00:39:58.100 This is what we're doing.

00:39:59.260 This is how we're doing it.

00:40:00.340 And this is how Canadians will benefit over and over again.

00:40:03.460 Yeah.

00:40:03.800 And last one, just on this one.

00:40:06.440 Yeah.

00:40:06.900 We don't need to see any more trips.

00:40:09.040 So, and we're going to talk about it on another show, but you know what?

00:40:11.860 honestly you don't like him standing on the stairs we don't need to say hey nick i'll see you later

00:40:18.680 we don't need to see any more if you're going to do your trips just do them yeah like do them for

00:40:23.620 a couple of days you don't need you don't need to take any more pictures sign anything because

00:40:28.100 seriously all the people i talk to you know when i'm dinner parties having drinks whatever

00:40:35.320 everyone says the same thing what did he sign right everyone's looking for what we sign now

00:40:41.800 know before the show we actually we tried to do that we went it's mous it's what memorandum of

00:40:47.160 understandings where are they yeah like where are they and what are they like you know what i mean

00:40:51.080 like and what do they say it's a memorandum of understanding where does it get filed what does

00:40:56.680 it mean like everyone so now everyone's kind of going everyone's going back going well i don't

00:41:01.480 i don't know what that means you know we were in japan and then we're in there so you know tell me

00:41:05.960 tell me what she and then i know and yeah yeah so it's part of it is carney's still learning

00:41:13.640 well let's be honest he's only been really in politics for a year yeah he's he's been a year

00:41:20.280 and he has done some good things he's had some missteps especially the flip-flopping

00:41:25.640 with iran was a stumble oh yeah anyone's a mess would agree with that and even members of his own

00:41:30.280 caucus had an issue with what he was doing and then going abroad in the middle of discussion

00:41:35.000 in the house yeah yeah not a great people are like where do you go where's the prime minister

00:41:39.400 we're debating this is a slight issue yeah it's kind of important so but i think he understands

00:41:47.000 that like he's a bit of a poker player mark carney to me and i think purposely he's vague

00:41:53.320 about a lot of things he doesn't want to show his cards and that goes back to being the governor of

00:41:58.180 the bank of canada bank in england to running a hedge fund to being at high finance i bet it was

00:42:03.880 put into his head from day one out of harvard you don't tell everyone what you're doing to the

00:42:09.260 you're ready to don't tell the other person because they'll use it against you oh no i listen

00:42:14.940 i i don't want him to disclose every single thing he's doing that's not what we're asking for

00:42:19.920 but you know we we need a plan a and a plan b plan c maybe a plan c because quite frankly

00:42:27.540 if come um july 1st if we get dropped on our head yeah we we better have a pivot plan and we i would

00:42:36.740 i'll give carney and the government the benefit of the doubt a lot of people won't but i will

00:42:41.060 that they have the worst case scenario economically a guidebook to that if that happens we do this and

00:42:49.560 this just to keep canadians at bay and to keep the country running so this is best case scenario

00:42:55.840 likely scenario worst case scenario i i find it hard to believe they wouldn't have three

00:43:01.260 contingency plans in place in case of that i hope there's detail yes that's my only you know that's

00:43:08.560 been my you know biggest criticism so far we you know whether it be defense whether it be economy

00:43:13.920 we we get these very vague plans that that you know are are you know a lot of uh buzzwords but

00:43:22.200 they don't really go anywhere so it's it's if we're going to lay down some plans let's figure

00:43:27.120 out tactical plans to move into market so you heard the story this week um department of national

00:43:33.680 offense had to begrudgingly admit that they're including tree planting and landscaping in their

00:43:38.880 budget for their two percent of they don't spending and that came out i'll give uh david

00:43:45.120 the fantastic writer from the ottawa citizen that one that they they when they're doing any kind of

00:43:50.540 landscaping on the different bases that's being added to the money being spent in the military

00:43:54.960 so the bombardee announcement with drones and everything else is actually supported by

00:44:02.060 landscaping those trees aren't going to grow themselves someone's got to put them in the

00:44:06.860 ground pool uh but yeah so it's look i the elbows up thing it got them elected people still mention

00:44:14.160 it i think a lot of average people mention it i still to this day i get upset a lot of people

00:44:19.660 upset when i don't think trump realizes how upset he's made canadians with referencing the prime

00:44:25.840 minister the governor of canada and all that and still to this day so many people refuse to travel

00:44:32.100 to america will not go on day trips will not shop there and canadians are looking elsewhere to do

00:44:39.580 go travel and go spend you know and i've mentioned this to you privately and on other shows but you

00:44:46.620 having lived in the states and it's kind of funny because i guess my skin uh they can they're that

00:44:52.940 harder yeah because as i mentioned to you meetings and conduct in the states are uh much more hardcore

00:45:01.340 you know they're they've rougher their the the language the the way they're conducted um up until

00:45:08.060 kind of they hit the the biden end of up until the end of obama biden era they got a little better

00:45:14.540 but but you know previously when i first got to the us i'd go to a meeting and when i first got

00:45:19.660 there i'd sit there with my mouth open the way they were talking to each other and then i go to

00:45:24.540 dinner and i'd be like oh my goodness like it's a rough it is a very rough conversation you in

00:45:30.220 canada you never had anything yeah it was very cordial but if you acted like that wouldn't it

00:45:35.020 it would like and you're you're kind of told you know uh because i i started off uh being a cpa

00:45:41.420 you know a very uh proper conduct at meetings you know you only went to a meeting you only had three

00:45:47.660 drinks you know you didn't do certain things that strict oh yeah you were you were given a

00:45:53.260 a whole protocol of how you acted right oh it was a gray or a blue suit when you went to a function

00:46:00.300 if you if if a partner saw you drink more than three drinks you were told the next day and you

00:46:05.100 were given a reprimand really oh yeah there was there were there were a whole set of golden rules

00:46:08.940 that you had to live by you never if uh someone asked you if you were busy you could never you

00:46:14.860 weren't allowed to say you were too busy you had to say you had room because you never wanted to

00:46:20.060 tell a client that you didn't have enough time for them so there was all these kind of so was

00:46:24.620 the american way is if you had 10 drinks they don't care as long as you get the deal done no

00:46:27.900 no they'd swear hit the table yell at you and talk you know what i mean i you know i'd go into and

00:46:33.580 being a canadian i would go into boardrooms and they would tear me down for the first 10 minutes

00:46:38.940 telling me how inferior can was and then they start to negotiate like it was always about

00:46:44.280 ripping you uh you know ripping you and then you know let's talk let's talk now so you know i mean

00:46:49.180 i'm going to put you off and that was kind of the art of the war now is this the art of the deal

00:46:53.560 right can in the u.s now in a bigger picture you think the art of the deal right yeah yeah so

00:46:57.660 a lot of this you know sometimes and i look at it that way and probably i i discounted a lot

00:47:03.320 you know and i whether he calls us the governor whatever i got caught a lot of things when i was

00:47:07.840 the u.s but but you know i got used to it quite frankly i only assumed at the beginning of the

00:47:12.640 meeting they were going to go that way and then wait it out and then start talking then we start

00:47:17.680 talking yeah and it was kind of over time and i found over time i became okay with it i actually

00:47:24.080 kind of started doing it because that's the way we were all doing it right that was the way we were

00:47:28.400 conducting ourselves so a little bit of that like i always say to people you know it's substance

00:47:32.640 versus form and when it comes to the the trump camp and all the people around them you know

00:47:37.360 they're the rougher older school americans that i met when i went to the u.s so that was the

00:47:42.560 that was the guys i was heading into the boardroom tables and you know they were they were not

00:47:47.120 polished a lot of them weren't educated uh you know street guys very guttural and that's kind

00:47:53.760 of what we went through and that's what you're seeing now you know mark carney a little more

00:47:59.120 polished quite frankly yeah yeah well but also spend time in the u.s and the uk and you know

00:48:05.600 listen politics in the uk is not pretty no yeah we can't say it's just america politics in the uk

00:48:11.840 is downright dirty this is some of the stuff they say in their house of comments is brutal

00:48:16.000 it's brutal they're and they're spying on each other they're tapping each other's phones they're

00:48:20.240 you know they're you name it they're not lightweights they're no lightweights and and

00:48:23.760 it's nasty the stuff is really nasty so you know he went through that so he i'm sure you know he

00:48:29.680 got guarded because of that now different you know fast forward you're back in canada different times

00:48:36.560 and now we have to figure out how to get through this bump which is going to be a big bump if in

00:48:42.400 fact you know you know he's got scenarios trump comes out of this you know trump you know he

00:48:48.880 resurrects he gets out of iran he you know stays in power you know he gets heralded for huge wins

00:48:56.400 you know whatever happened like he's not out of iran yet though he's not out of iran but but you

00:49:00.720 know there are like i guess that's the contingency plan that you know we have to kind of look at now

00:49:05.760 is it canadians uh or not and quite frankly what happens then and and how do we deal with him

00:49:12.720 but all that aside again a plan without america needs to be put in place and what i mean without

00:49:20.480 america with our trade going down from 419 billion dollars or 2024 export number to half

00:49:27.840 we'd have to put that in play and figure out what do we do now and whether it's the military building

00:49:32.640 the 88 billion dollars so is it accelerating our military spend is it actually uh you know

00:49:38.960 build at home only that program we talked about you know where actually build a liquid natural

00:49:45.200 gas and oil pipelines yeah and it'll increase the port of churchill and what not what are we doing

00:49:50.320 and you know and that's that's by industry by industry the car companies right now what are we

00:49:55.520 doing yeah like are we are we are we you know that's the thing jimmy that's what i want to know

00:50:01.600 like i don't know yeah we're going to build our own cars at home and are we going to take the

00:50:05.760 money we gave to all the the the big three car companies are we going to stop doing that and

00:50:11.360 start giving some money to new car companies to come in hire canadians and we have part ownership

00:50:17.040 with it and it's from everything you know we're talking about our minerals our resources oil and

00:50:23.280 gas like we got to go right straight across and he needs to kind of unfold for us the plan because

00:50:29.840 you know right now we're sitting here gas prices we're exposed to gas prices we have been through

00:50:34.640 this before like numerous times for a lot of uh younger canadians they don't you don't remember

00:50:40.720 petro canada the crown corporation why it got started uh you know uh the senior trudeau coming

00:50:49.040 in to uh fix it because quite frankly gas prices were accelerating and then lockheed locking up

00:50:55.280 with trudeau over alberta not wanting in you know because alberta was being bought out by the

00:51:01.040 the Americans who today own most of our oil and gas, right, unfortunately, because we finally sold

00:51:08.000 PetroCanada Suncor. There's a whole history that I think Canadians need to remember. We need to go

00:51:12.840 revisit. And then we got to look at mining and we need him to step in on mining. We can't be keep

00:51:18.960 being bought up by Australian and American firms and Chinese firms in mining and own none of our

00:51:27.280 resources and have no economy at home so these are all the things like but he can get an easy

00:51:32.960 win paul like i'll give ontario ndp leader mart styles was in the far north ontario there's a

00:51:38.680 big problem a lot of the highways up there which is access to four street and mining and heavy

00:51:45.540 goods are rickety two-lane highways and you're getting massive tractor trailers and accidents

00:51:51.120 all the time she's like this is ridiculous and i've done the trans canada highway and once you

00:51:55.880 get past Sault Ste.

00:51:58.100 Marie to North Thunder Bay, it's a

00:51:59.900 two-lane road, the Trans-Canada Highway.

00:52:02.600 So that's an easy

00:52:03.660 infrastructure win to widen

00:52:05.800 that and make it a proper highway, especially

00:52:07.840 access. If we're saying we're going to be

00:52:09.780 expanding northern Ontario, expanding

00:52:12.040 to more remote areas of the country, let's

00:52:14.040 build the roads, proper, safe

00:52:16.080 roads to those areas.

00:52:17.560 As a Canadian government, that's an easy

00:52:20.080 fix. We could start that right now

00:52:22.120 and start building it right now.

00:52:23.580 yeah no no i agree with you you know we have to again step in and fix part of our road building

00:52:30.460 capabilities big time so we we need to kind of you know we can't keep building roads like we

00:52:35.680 currently build roads this is awful right the potholes in canada this year are beyond belief

00:52:40.080 beyond belief and we've done a terrible job by letting that industry just kind of crater off to

00:52:45.340 a limited number of companies not doing a great job so we got to fix all that yeah so we we do

00:52:50.660 agree on that but um those are just some of the programs but if you go across jimmy and you look

00:52:55.260 at all these industries these are the things that we need him to lay out with a plan and you know

00:53:00.540 and i know earlier on the show we were kind of general about it but i'm looking specific industry

00:53:06.380 by industry for him to come to the table by his ministers and say okay you got to go you know

00:53:13.200 mining you got to get uh canadian funds to invest in this we got to get canadians trained we got

00:53:19.780 build this we gotta develop this we gotta mine it ourselves and show canadians actually it being done

00:53:26.420 not just not just a memorandum of understanding or a discussion point actually showing workers

00:53:31.700 doing it remember the old days it's interesting you don't see it as much anymore once in a while

00:53:36.020 you see it but not much remember the hard hats so back in the 80s there used to be all these

00:53:40.180 groundbreaking hard hack events where people had shovels oh yeah yeah yeah you don't see them

00:53:45.540 anymore do you yeah yeah yeah let's start seeing them again yeah i want to see um actual news

00:53:53.380 footage footage of workers digging and building and creating yeah and i want that i want that

00:54:00.180 premier prime minister whoever minister on the road with the hard hat on with the gold shovel

00:54:05.540 thumbs up thumbs up with the money going in the ground people there working projects let

00:54:11.220 all that good stuff yeah and that's what we're missing but and as a canadian if you see that

00:54:15.620 you're like okay we don't know what we're dealing with with trump and kuzma but at least we're doing

00:54:20.180 something for ourselves and we have a plan exactly just and i think that's a great point paul if

00:54:25.700 canadians are told just tell them a framework of the plan we're not expecting to get all the intimate

00:54:31.220 details because that's not the way the business world works but then you're like oh okay they're

00:54:35.620 doing this and this all right yeah we'll get through this 110 days jim yeah i again i it's

00:54:42.180 110 days and i get that urgency but i mean last night the white house did an offensive

00:54:50.420 ai generated video mocking the bombing of iran yeah that's what you're dealing with i know that's

00:54:56.260 what you're dealing with that's why honest and that is why i think you need the plan without them

00:55:02.820 yes you need at this point you need to say okay if we if we can get you know listen if we can

00:55:08.260 maintain half of the exporting if we can maintain a quarter of the exporting that's what we can

00:55:12.980 depend on if we can pick up another a hundred billion dollars from everyone else oh the other

00:55:18.020 countries that's what it looks like but the but that leaves us with a delta of x and we got to

00:55:22.900 fill it by y and here's the number of things we do to fill y yeah and i need that that's the equation

00:55:28.260 that i'm looking for right now absolutely paul see he's got all the answers that's what we watch

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