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Federal Budget 2024: Where Did the $521 Billion Go? | Expenses Breakdown Explained


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In this episode, we dig into part two of the analysis of the 2024 Federal Annual Report from the federal government. In part two, we look at the total federal government expenses for the period between 2019 and 2024.

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00:00:00.000 I'm so excited today to dig into part two of the analysis of the 2024 federal annual
00:00:29.720 report part one we looked at revenues and what made the province tick and then part two we're
00:00:36.680 going to actually look at expenses and so you'll remember in part one we actually broke down where
00:00:45.080 all the revenue for the federal government was coming from and if you remember the revenues
00:00:50.360 were primarily coming from our personal income tax followed by corporate income tax and then GST and
00:00:58.200 then we broke down some of the other revenues all told we actually have a great revenue scenario and
00:01:06.440 we've seen a huge increase of about 32 percent since 2019 and the fiscal revenues for 2024 are 459.5
00:01:19.960 billion dollars so can you imagine if you were a company you would have grown since 2019 32 percent
00:01:26.920 you would have had revenues of 459 billion dollars and you would be really happy don't you think well
00:01:35.160 now we're going to dig into the expenses and we're going to see the true story so let's kick it off and
00:01:41.080 and I'm going to actually take off my jacket because this is going to take a little bit of analysis and
00:01:47.720 I want to walk you through so if I start sweating you'll know why okay so the composition of expenses
00:01:54.280 right uh as you can see and I always laugh when I say this the biggest expense of government is
00:02:01.000 actually government so the direct expenses so the other direct program expenses make up the biggest
00:02:09.240 portion of expenses of the government which we're going to break down in a minute followed by transfers
00:02:15.240 to the provinces so it's it's interesting we are looking at the pie chart that shows where all this money
00:02:23.560 goes as a percentage and the biggest expenditure expenditure is actually for federal government
00:02:29.400 and the second biggest expenditure expenditures is for other levels of government so which make up almost
00:02:36.680 half actually it makes up half of all the expenditures of government so imagine all the expenditures we're
00:02:43.240 going to talk about in a minute go towards internal government very interesting so let's kick it off
00:02:50.200 um if we go to the next slide so if we can see now this is really interesting the total expenditures
00:03:00.520 i'm just going to cut to the chase here because i think it's important we go through it and then we
00:03:04.600 sort of think through it the total expenditures of the federal government now we're only talking the
00:03:10.440 federal government remember that is 521 billion dollars right so right away you say okay that's more than the
00:03:19.320 uh 459 billion in revenues well yes it is so you know that's what makes the deficit and the interesting
00:03:27.000 part is since 2019 these expenditures have gone up 175 billion dollars so in 2019 we had 346 billion in
00:03:40.520 the expenses and now today we have 521 billion in expenses so um and we're going to go through now
00:03:49.400 these expenses they categorize them when they do the annual report of the federal government they
00:03:53.800 categorize them into a number of categories right so the first category they talk about is major transfers
00:04:00.280 to people or to persons right so these are uh as you can imagine they go to uh seniors and they go to
00:04:10.360 uh eoi and and other programs which you're going to talk about then they go major transfers to other
00:04:17.560 levels of government well that's an interesting one because that's the ones that go to health care
00:04:24.520 and other programs then we have the smaller ones like our pollution pricing we talked about yesterday
00:04:31.640 and then we have direct programs now the direct programs are what goes to the federal government for
00:04:38.600 the most part which we'll break down in a minute and then of course we have debt servicing so the
00:04:44.360 interest on debt and then we have where our pensions and our benefit programs lie with the government so
00:04:51.960 that's where we're at that's a summary of the uh annual report for 2024 compared to 2019.
00:05:00.760 so let's kick it off let's take a look at major transfers to persons and i'm going to start with
00:05:08.120 the first one this is the first line item in the annual report for expenses and this is for elderly
00:05:14.040 benefits now as you can see elderly benefits increased from 2019 by 22 billion dollars
00:05:26.200 now think about that because that's a very interesting number it was 76 billion it went
00:05:30.440 uh it is 76 billion it in 2019 it was 53 billion increased 22 billion dollars right so how many
00:05:41.160 seniors increased so that was my first question i said okay paul uh are there a lot more seniors i know
00:05:46.680 a lot of baby boomers are are starting to become seniors you know of course um so i said okay that's the
00:05:53.320 reason all the baby boomers have shifted up a quarter of the population and we told that you know boom
00:05:58.280 bust an echo we've been told that over the years we're going to see a lot more seniors a quarter of
00:06:03.560 our population is going to be seniors so it's a big number we know that we know it's coming so i took a 0.99
00:06:09.240 look and in 2019 there were 6.5 million seniors in our population and then in 2024 there's 7.6 million
00:06:21.640 seniors right so that's from stats can it's easy to get anyone can get it so that's an increase of
00:06:27.880 1.1 million as far as the seniors so 1.1 million people either shifted into the seniors category or
00:06:35.320 arrived in canada under our immigration system and got into the seniors category so that's an increase
00:06:42.680 of 18 percent so then head scratcher i'm sitting there and i say to myself okay you know i've seen an
00:06:50.200 increase in 22 billion and i'm wondering to myself why do we only see an increase in population of 18
00:07:00.680 when there's a 42 percent increase in the amount that goes to elderly benefits well then i broke down
00:07:07.400 the per capita payment and lo and behold we gave the seniors a raise so somewhere along the way between
00:07:16.920 2019 in the middle of covid everything happening we started to index the or increase they call it
00:07:23.960 indexing but it's just an increase it's a raise they started to increase the senior payments on average
00:07:31.400 by 21 percent so that equated to a 22 billion dollar increase uh in 2024 so uh you know that does that go
00:07:42.840 away i doubt it quite frankly this is a big voting block uh a lot of people this is important for
00:07:49.160 governments they usually provide this uh group with a good stipend because quite frankly they're the ones
00:07:57.480 who actually go to vote and they tend to vote in the direction they want based on the benefits they get
00:08:03.560 so you know what we've seen the increase and we know why that line item has gone up so if we go to the
00:08:09.400 next one major transfer to persons uh this is the unemployment insurance support measures so yesterday
00:08:20.040 we talked about this right we talked about the fact that companies had increased their amount to
00:08:27.640 ei significantly uh since 2019 so i think yesterday if my numbers are correct in my mind companies
00:08:37.800 contribute 29 billion to this we actually take part of that 29 billion and we pay it directly out to
00:08:46.520 uh to uh the seniors or sorry to the unemployment groups um this hasn't changed significantly
00:08:55.320 uh but you can see quite frankly unemployment has gone up so we took a look at it and we said okay
00:09:02.280 unemployment was 5.6 percent in 2019 which equates roughly to throughout the year total year 1.2 million
00:09:11.960 people on ei at any point in time and then uh it went to 6.7 percent uh which equates to about uh 1.5 million
00:09:22.040 so that has 308 000 additional people going on ei so that roughly the numbers roughly equate to 25
00:09:32.200 increase in the number of people now on ei so you know uh fast forward through covid from 2019 to 2024
00:09:42.120 we're now talking about a 25 percent so 25 more people are on ei than in 2019 therefore we see roughly
00:09:52.120 a 22 percent correlation in the increase of unemployment or employment income insurance benefits
00:10:00.520 and support measures and we end up with a very large total of 23 point billion dollars in this
00:10:08.760 category which roughly uh is the same number as the amount paid by corporations into ei so it's very
00:10:18.120 interesting years ago and a lot of you who are new to government financing uh ei was always a pretty
00:10:25.480 significant profit margin for the government uh companies paid into it fewer people were on ei
00:10:31.880 and it the additional monies that came from this were used for other programs ie health care and other
00:10:38.680 things so just keep that in mind so this one's kind of gone up significantly it's seen a 22 percent
00:10:44.520 increase and i'm still waiting for one to go down by the way so uh carrying on um cho this is my one of
00:10:53.080 my favorite ones so the other major transfer to persons is the children's benefits so for those of
00:11:03.240 you um who get children's benefits you're probably wondering how much does this number equate to as a
00:11:13.000 total across the country of canada so well it equates to 26 billion dollars
00:11:19.960 and that's a that's a really big number so 26 billion dollars we do it used to be in 2019 23
00:11:29.320 billion it went up 2.4 and it went up 10 percent so the interesting thing about this and and you know
00:11:35.800 i i dug into the numbers because you know uh for those of you who like podcasts you constantly hear
00:11:41.640 about the birth rates going down so birth rates are a topic across the world you know we're all elon musk
00:11:49.160 is telling us that uh japan's uh you know going to disappear and uh because birth rates are so low
00:11:56.920 well you know i dug into it and i said okay how many people uh are are you know how many children
00:12:03.480 are in this category uh and what's the difference and why did it go up up or down right and it went up
00:12:09.960 so uh if we go to the next slide you'll see canada has now joined the lowest low fertility countries so
00:12:20.040 we are now in a category with south korea spain italy japan with 1.3 children per women or less
00:12:29.640 right so imagine that you know i know italy uh has talked the same as japan about the culture
00:12:37.000 disappearing because the lack of birth rates and the the death rates being higher than the birth
00:12:42.200 rates and therefore over time the the the true italian culture will disappear because of that
00:12:49.720 so we're now in the same category so then you say to yourself okay well then why did the number go up
00:12:54.840 10 because now the number of children in the category has stayed the same or gone down um so why
00:13:02.040 right well again we gave ourselves a raise we decided to index this number um because we think
00:13:09.400 that that will keep the program going the interesting thing about this is that isn't it time in my mind
00:13:17.960 and this is the question i asked the audience isn't it time to start working to see if this program
00:13:23.880 is achieving the objectives so if the program was put in place to increase birth rates and it's not
00:13:31.640 increasing birth rates i think at some point it behooves us to actually sit back and say okay
00:13:38.600 what do we need to do and if that's an objective of the government and you know if you look at immigration
00:13:43.960 policy uh child programs all those things those are all things that have to be looked at together
00:13:50.600 because they're all the same issue it's increasing your population and how to move your population forward
00:13:58.440 to increase the population so again you know when you look at uh major transfers to persons this is one
00:14:06.840 that is seeing a significant increase uh rolling on to uh the next one and the next one is other major
00:14:17.000 transfers to other levels of government okay so um this is uh you know the one where we give money to
00:14:27.720 health care we give money to fiscal arrangements to other programs so as you can see you know from
00:14:35.720 the chart that's on the screen we had an increase this is a pretty significant increase of 13 billion
00:14:42.520 dollars since uh 2019 to 2024 so it went from 52 billion to 65 billion for transfers to health care and
00:14:52.760 social programs so 25 percent increase right so for those of you saying well man i'm not getting
00:14:58.520 good health care i'm not getting my wait times are too high i can't get a doctor you know the federal
00:15:05.080 government has increased this by 13 billion dollars since 2019 so the question becomes kind of value for money
00:15:15.640 effectiveness efficiency those are all the questions that are on the table now because it's not a
00:15:22.120 it's not a fiscal dollar monetary matter it basically is how the money is being spent is the money being spent
00:15:30.600 correctly right uh fiscal arrangements and other transfers which we're going to talk about in a minute
00:15:36.760 uh this is another one this has gone up 48 so we went from 30 uh from 23 billion to 34 billion uh since
00:15:46.760 2019 so it's been a significant increase right so you look at these two programs and you say to yourself
00:15:53.400 we've gone from 75 billion dollars to 100 billion dollars so 25 billion dollars up so we've seen basically a
00:16:02.680 32 percent increase in spending in this category a 32 percent increase right so our population so then
00:16:11.400 my mind right away my mind goes to okay these are all kind of social programs you know whether it be health
00:16:17.160 or social um you know have we have we uh seen a shift in the population that would warrant such a large
00:16:28.920 shift well the answer is no right we talked about it in part one of our series on the annual report the 2024
00:16:37.960 report we've seen uh our population grow by about uh almost 2 million people since 2019 so 2 million people
00:16:50.120 you know 1.959 went from 37 million to 39 uh million in a few years and from
00:16:58.760 19 to 24 and so we've seen a 5 percent growth in our population but we've seen as you see on the next
00:17:08.920 line we've seen a 19 increase per capita in spending on health care so just think about that right our health
00:17:19.640 and social programs we spend from a federal perspective right now in 2024 we spend 1657
00:17:29.000 in 2019 we spent 1396 so we increase we didn't see a population increase that matched the increase in
00:17:39.960 spending for health care but we did see a significant spending increase right almost three times the
00:17:46.680 spending increase to the pop to the uh population increase it's really interesting because that's you
00:17:53.400 know a lot of times you'll hear people say you know it's because of all the new immigration our
00:17:59.880 health care is so bad well that doesn't correlate so that's a misnomer so the numbers don't play out
00:18:06.120 uh and that was kind of surprising to me because i kind of bought into that you know i'd be at parties
00:18:10.600 and people say you know we brought in a lot of immigrants so you know uh and i'm like hmm i don't know
00:18:16.120 did we bring in that many and would it would it have dwarfed the system that bad right so because we only
00:18:22.040 brought in five percent increase since 2019 to 2024. so and you know i just put this on the slide
00:18:30.200 because uh you know i googled of course you know when i was putting this together and i said what do
00:18:36.680 people are what are people in the world saying about our health care system our health care system
00:18:40.920 well they're saying you know it's a decentralized yes it's publicly funded you know it's equitable and
00:18:47.640 it provides health care to everyone equally so you know we and then it actually talked about the fact
00:18:56.680 that we are one of the highest so being one of the highest spenders in the world on health so but we still
00:19:05.560 face challenges such as wait time shortage of professionals and low hospital beds per capita so
00:19:13.240 it's really interesting you know because it the numbers do not play out and i think as we get into
00:19:19.000 the other podcasts on health care we're going to delve into this more but you know the numbers sure tell
00:19:24.440 a different story than what we are we perceive and what i perceive for sure so going to the next slide
00:19:32.040 um oh this is interesting so this is uh the next category that we saw up on the board and so which
00:19:40.920 is again you know the major transfers to other levels of government these are the other transfer
00:19:46.600 category that we saw went up significantly this includes basically
00:19:52.440 uh legislative growth in canada health transfers social transfers equalization transfers uh housing
00:20:04.760 build funds um and more health agreements so if you look at that hundred million number it's pretty much
00:20:12.760 all centered around around health because i was looking at the number and i'm thinking okay i see what we
00:20:18.360 spend on health care it's gone up and then i see this other number you add the two together and it's a
00:20:22.920 hundred billion dollars from the federal government and it pretty much is all health care and child care
00:20:27.800 transfers um we go to the next one so uh basically so this okay so i talked about it yesterday this makes me
00:20:38.840 laugh um every time i look at this so this you know and i put it government program canceled in an odd way
00:20:45.960 pollution pricing right so we all remember this story in 2024 carbon tax right we got into the election
00:20:53.480 all of a sudden no one uh the prime minister stepped down prime minister trudeau stepped down no one
00:20:59.480 wanted to take credit for carbon uh you know he was worried about it prior to so he started the
00:21:06.440 uh the uh the pollution pricing proceeds uh rebate so we created a pollution pricing program you get a lot
00:21:17.320 of peas and we were raising 10.5 billion and all of a sudden there was a flow of people against it the
00:21:25.720 premiers were up in arms everyone didn't like it so rather than get rid of it we started to rebate it back
00:21:32.040 to people so we created a program that actually generated 10 billion dollars in revenue and then
00:21:38.840 we created a rebate program that rebated 9.8 billion dollars so there's a delta small delta it's a small
00:21:46.280 revenue line still but you know it's a very odd way um and of course politically driven it's something
00:21:53.240 that started should have never started because quite frankly it didn't have support across the country
00:21:58.280 and it ended up dying on its on its own speed so if we go to the next so uh these are the direct
00:22:06.280 program expenses so uh i'm gonna i'm not gonna talk a lot about uh covet the emergency wage subsidy i
00:22:15.000 think they're still you know listen there's no point in any of us having any more i guess we could go
00:22:20.600 back and have more covet uh discussions we could probably analyze it to death we probably find out what
00:22:27.320 happened to all the money and i think we'd be probably disgusted i know we would be disgusted
00:22:31.880 um but you know we're still trying to get some money back so we do get some money back we have 420
00:22:37.400 million and 24. um as you can see there back in 19 there was a fuel proceeds uh amount that was uh spent
00:22:48.200 so we got a rebate for fuel i don't know if anyone remembers that but uh it was like a hundred bucks and
00:22:54.040 i think we all got it and uh maybe once or twice but and and that happened and then it went away so
00:22:59.880 there's you know a couple odd programs in the beginning but then you jump to this is what i talked
00:23:05.640 about earlier i'm going to talk about the operating transfer payments last on this sheet but i'm really
00:23:13.400 going to hit go down to operating uh expenses so the increase in operating expenses which is the second
00:23:21.320 bottom line on this sheet you can see in 2024 was 140 billion up from 98 billion so a four almost a 42
00:23:37.000 billion dollar increase or a 42 percent and this is the government expenses so this is basically what it
00:23:45.880 takes to run the government personnel everything else so since 2019 just get this in your head right
00:23:54.680 we saw a 42 percent increase in government spending on direct government expenses including personnel
00:24:06.040 so it grew to 140 billion from 98 billion you know this is what you're hearing more about more and more
00:24:14.120 but you know that is the detailed expenses of what's being spent then i go above and i go to the other
00:24:20.360 transfer line and this is more of the slush fund um which i'm going to talk about in a minute but that grew
00:24:26.520 uh it grew more it actually grew more if you think about it grew from uh wow 51 billion dollars to 96
00:24:36.920 billion so this one almost doubled this one went up 44 billion dollars 86 percent and this one's like a slush
00:24:43.800 fund so what i'm going to get into a minute this is like the catch-all of catch-alls for government
00:24:48.440 right anything program interest they want to put money into they basically put into this fund so
00:24:56.280 um if you look so if we go to the the next slide uh as we talked about this fund so the other transfer
00:25:06.600 payments fund the every fund i call it our payments to natural resources first nations transportation
00:25:13.720 gender equality defense justice etc this one goes on and on for pages and pages and pages of
00:25:23.640 uh contributions payments payments uh domestically foreign payments uh programs in other countries
00:25:32.840 uh that don't you know they're this one's hard to track it's like i said it's pages and pages of
00:25:38.440 detail of where money is going and contributed and spent by the government um for different programs
00:25:45.320 and but that one grew like i said it almost doubled uh operating expenses as we talked about uh are
00:25:53.560 basically are the disp the expenses of departments agencies consolidated crown corporations and other
00:26:00.440 entities and this is basically uh also included includes the personnel costs and of course because
00:26:10.760 of covet and all the non-repayments of the loans provided during covet has a significant around a 10 billion
00:26:18.680 dollar from what i can figure out uh bad debts uh baked into it so that's why we saw such a and it's just
00:26:26.440 not covet related it's not a one-time payment it's uh the increase in government um okay let's hit the
00:26:36.680 next one so this is one and we're going to spend a lot more time on the next show but this one i'm just
00:26:42.520 going to spend a few minutes on uh talk about and then i'm going to leave it because we're going to do
00:26:48.920 one more uh part of the series and the next part of the series is called uh debt and gdp and we're
00:26:56.280 going to spend about a half hour breaking down uh where the debt is how the debt works for canada
00:27:02.920 how the payments work and then also talk about how it correlates to gdp and uh the gtp performance
00:27:10.040 of canada going forward so um as you can see this is no uh big well a little bit of a big surprise for
00:27:17.960 some people i'm sure but uh our interest on our debt has basically doubled so since 2019
00:27:26.600 to 2024 we saw a 24 billion increase in our interest payments for the country 103 percent increase
00:27:36.520 from 23 billion to 47 billion dollars so again you know this is the charges the interest uh on our
00:27:47.000 our interest bearing debt um and this is offset slightly by cpi adjustments on our uh real return
00:27:57.080 bonds so this does have an income component of it but it it hasn't even kept close to keeping pace
00:28:03.160 with what our debt component so you know coming out of covet we all know we spent a ton of money which
00:28:08.360 we'll talk about it ballooned our our national debt um you know to trillions and now uh this is the price
00:28:18.520 we're paying which is uh overwhelming and and very tough 47 for our the size of our country right now
00:28:26.920 47 billion dollars on interest payment is a huge number i don't think people contemplate how big that is
00:28:32.440 for the size of our country and the size of our gdp so um okay so the next one uh actuarial losses so
00:28:43.160 this is kind of a new and i won't spend a ton of time on it because i know people you know this is a
00:28:48.840 more of an accounting actuarial number but this is an interesting number which i'm gonna also spend a
00:28:54.200 little time in our next podcast when we talk about debt and gdp i'm going to talk a little bit of a
00:29:01.000 pension performance right so um because we do have some large government pensions cpp and others that we
00:29:08.360 do have standing um and this basically is one of the challenges that we do have is that as our pension
00:29:16.520 liability uh became bigger and our obligations became more overwhelming we now face the issue
00:29:23.960 when they don't perform so when they underperform so think about it when the actuaries go in and they
00:29:30.200 very simply they say we have so many people in this pension these people will probably live till 84
00:29:37.800 and your pension performance doesn't match what your obligation to pay them is so you have to now
00:29:45.640 take a write down or take a loss because you're not able to meet your commitment so you got to set up
00:29:50.760 a liability create a loss and this goes up and down right this is a number the new accounting standards
00:29:59.000 i think are came in and they require it to happen so you're going to see more of this and it's probably
00:30:04.840 a good thing to keep track of actually when i was fishing around when and taking a look at this number
00:30:09.320 i ever got very interested in it i came to the next slide and i found out uh which is very interesting
00:30:16.680 interesting the canadian pension plan investment board uh board of people who invest all our money
00:30:22.840 we give them revealed that 12 percent of cpb assets are invested in canada the lowest ever so the largest
00:30:32.120 chunk 714 billion dollars of the fund 47 is currently invested in the united states so you know just
00:30:42.600 to i found very high and you can see by the chart the red the red is us in canada so you can see
00:30:49.160 in 2005 i'm going to take my glasses out for this 74 of this fund was invested in our own country and over
00:30:57.560 time actively someone made the decision around it looks like 2016 to 2015 2016 to basically switch and
00:31:10.760 invest most of our money abroad so i don't know how that makes a ton of sense i'd like to actually at
00:31:16.520 some point uh do a podcast and meet with someone from the cpp and find out why that makes a ton of
00:31:23.960 sense um and then finally you know and wrap up i just wanted to go through the last slide
00:31:31.800 you know because this was a very interesting podcast for me as we dug into the numbers
00:31:36.280 we started off the podcast right and we uh talked about revenue and we said okay aren't we in a good
00:31:45.720 spot we have 459 billion dollars in revenues up 38 percent sorry more than i thought 38 percent
00:31:55.400 from 332 billion dollars up 127 billion dollars so we have revenues that have grown since before
00:32:03.720 covid 38 you know to this almost a half a trillion dollars and we've actually managed to outspend it
00:32:13.800 by actually incurring 521 billion dollars in expenses um for a deficit of 61 billion dollars
00:32:23.960 so we started off you know pre-covid at a deficit number which we thought was really high remember yeah i
00:32:31.320 i don't know for those of you who are a little younger and you know the early 2000s lived through
00:32:36.600 balanced or positive budgets you know seeing a deficit of more than 10 billion dollars was like
00:32:43.080 outrageous uh for at a time and now you're at 61 billion dollars we've seen it increase 47 billion
00:32:52.040 so as we as we delve into the next uh podcast where we start to talk about debt and we start to talk
00:32:59.160 about pensions and we start to talk about gdp we're going to see the implications of the deficits and
00:33:05.960 that's really important for a country again remembering we're a country of 40 million people
00:33:11.080 we're a large land mass but a small country to have deficits that are now exceeding 50 billion dollars
00:33:17.400 and it has extreme consequences so stay stay tuned subscribe uh and we hope to see you soon for the next uh
00:33:38.360 uh