True Patriot Love - Floor Crossings Are Breaking Voter Trust

00:00:00.000 well there is never a dull moment in canadian politics in 2026 and on wednesday morning

00:00:10.120 another conservative mp crossed the floor to join the liberals marilyn gladue a long time mp from

00:00:16.680 sarnia is now the fifth opposition mp and fourth conservative to join the liberal party as always

00:00:22.720 thrilled to be joined by paul micucci paul on a bombshell that has rocked ottawa to the core

00:00:28.040 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:00:29.360 You know, we did a show about Matt Jenneru.

00:00:31.660 Yes.

00:00:32.260 This was a few weeks ago now when he crossed over.

00:00:35.140 And it was a really weird show.

00:00:37.280 I think why we brought it up, quite frankly,

00:00:39.000 because it was the one where he had actually moved from Alberta to BC.

00:00:43.080 His wife had got a job.

00:00:45.080 He went with his family, his two girls, moved everyone across,

00:00:48.740 and then crossed the floor after saying he was retiring.

00:00:52.300 Yes.

00:00:52.680 And the issue was in the show that we were so kind of focused on

00:00:57.220 is that he had actually said he was resigning

00:00:59.980 and that Pierre Poly have just let him sit.

00:01:02.740 He didn't move to get a by-election.

00:01:05.140 He didn't move forward.

00:01:06.040 And he sat so long and then finally he crossed. 0.99

00:01:09.020 And we were like, why didn't we nip it in the butt 0.99

00:01:11.040 when it happened? 0.98

00:01:12.400 So that was the thing that came to light first.

00:01:14.900 So, you know, we focused on it.

00:01:16.320 Then, you know, like the rest of Canada,

00:01:18.000 we all said, you know, by-elections are going to happen.

00:01:21.200 And I don't know about you, Jim.

00:01:22.600 We've been watching it.

00:01:24.880 we've been talking about doing shows on the by-election but the by-elections have been so

00:01:29.440 quiet like eerily quiet because you know we've been focused on the iran war we've been focused

00:01:35.940 on all things in our lives and all the things on tv that are mainstream and they're pretty you know

00:01:40.940 they're super important and so we got focused on that the by-elections have been quiet we haven't

00:01:47.320 seen the leaders you know we've been watching them in texas you know podcasting yeah you know

00:01:53.440 there's a lot of superstar celebrity stuff that our leaders do now that we're kind of fixated on

00:01:58.880 i i just spent the other i spent two hours i mentioned to you coming into the show watching

00:02:04.000 um another podcast the diary of a ceo with pierre pauliev a very interesting podcast right yeah and

00:02:10.720 the funny thing about this is i just said to you before you announced it you just came walking in

00:02:16.560 the room i said you know i watched the pierre pauliev uh podcast and to tell you the truth i

00:02:21.760 learned a bunch of things that actually uh made me more interested now in following him because

00:02:29.600 quite now i'm trying to understand the man and hear what he has to say well and i i'm getting

00:02:33.920 a feel for his background i now understand why he is like he is yes he's telling us about his

00:02:39.120 background his childhood the challenges he had the upbringing you know his parents divorcing all that

00:02:45.120 stuff you know something oh that's interesting you know it's an interesting podcast the questions

00:02:49.520 were good you know the answers were interesting you know very textbook i'm watching a person who's

00:02:55.200 very bright talk to another person who's very bright and quite frankly it's it's interesting

00:02:59.760 me so i leave that and then today he loses another uh pivotal member yeah in a uh conservative

00:03:09.920 writing which has been conservative for years well you know i spent some time i built a project

00:03:15.040 down in sarnia i mentioned to you yeah and uh really conservative quite frankly uh in the days

00:03:22.720 when mike harris was in there was always a issue of whether point edward would be rolled up remember

00:03:28.960 there was a challenge of whether point ember would be rolled up into the boundaries of sarnia

00:03:33.360 and the conservatives on a provincial side wanted to keep it separate because there were two seats

00:03:39.360 there yeah and so they fought and fought to keep point edward and sarnia sort of from not being

00:03:45.240 amalgamated and that was always the issue with reboundering but um and they were both conservative

00:03:50.140 seats they were both very interested you know the conservatives always spent a lot of time

00:03:54.600 chemical value they always gave a lot of projects they made sure sarnia was always happy

00:03:59.660 key border crossing all that good stuff and now she who has mostly conservative views right very

00:04:07.700 conservative views yeah she just voted against the legislation for lgbtq um you know basically

00:04:15.620 uh which is a liberal initiative big time yeah and and voted that you know about sex changes and

00:04:21.760 things like that it was very controversial um and now she's crossing now the evening before

00:04:28.040 this happened the tuesday evening there was an old candidates meeting in scarborough southwest

00:04:32.620 And Dolly Begum, the provincial NDP candidate, now running federally liberal, was basically face-to-face with a lot of upset NDP supporters who voted for her provincially, who feel offended and betrayed because of what's happening in Palestine that she's joining Carney and the Liberals.

00:04:50.440 And I've not seen constituents that worked out that angry at someone before.

00:04:55.800 And there is a sense of anger amongst a lot of everyday Canadians feeling helpless.

00:05:02.600 I voted for someone.

00:05:04.020 I voted for you because you believed in this.

00:05:06.080 A few months ago, you were saying this.

00:05:07.640 And now you're doing a complete 180 to join Carney and the Liberals, trying.

00:05:11.860 Well, for Dolly Begum voting on it, and now Marilyn Gouladou just walking across the floor.

00:05:16.300 And now she's a member of the Liberals.

00:05:18.200 And I think a lot of Canadians are wondering, is this fair that you get a majority by people crossing the floor?

00:05:24.780 It's a debate going on across Canada.

00:05:26.540 Oh, yeah.

00:05:26.980 Well, you know, Dolly's an interesting one, quite frankly, because, you know, the gentleman who I think you're referring to that you showed me, he was actually verbatim repeating her statements.

00:05:38.400 In Queen's Park.

00:05:39.480 In Queen's Park.

00:05:40.020 Like, verbatim.

00:05:41.380 And in saying, now you're flipping and you're going to a party who is totally against your beliefs.

00:05:46.980 Why?

00:05:47.660 And he never got an answer. 0.99

00:05:49.340 No, she just walked out.

00:05:50.480 They removed her and basically removed him.

00:05:53.140 They were parted.

00:05:54.380 And he was quite animated.

00:05:56.920 The crowd was quite animated.

00:05:59.580 It was supposed to be, I think, a debate.

00:06:02.200 But it was an all-candidates debate.

00:06:04.120 And then when she walked up, this guy was obviously quite passionate

00:06:07.500 and had a lot of hard feelings and wanted an answer from Dolly.

00:06:11.440 Just why?

00:06:13.240 Well, and the interesting thing, these by-elections,

00:06:15.700 you know as the leaders of the parties are actually flying around the world i think they

00:06:21.600 had both conceded that it was this was what i found interesting until you were telling me about

00:06:26.500 dolly today i think the leaders are kind of conceded they knew the way it was going to go

00:06:30.560 they're going to liberals will do a three and oh sweep and they'll have the majority and it was

00:06:34.880 done and i think they had kind of wrapped it up pierre was traveling he's like okay i can't win

00:06:39.180 these i'm not going to bother i'll plan my next step exactly which is very odd to tell you the

00:06:43.500 truth. It's very odd that a leader doesn't come into the by-election ridings and campaign with

00:06:48.360 the people they're running. It's a little demoralizing. I actually found it odd because

00:06:52.260 if I was in their shoes and I was putting the time and the money and the effort and my personal

00:06:56.680 reputation at play, I would be a little disappointed that the leadership didn't come in and help me a

00:07:02.220 little more. I have seen Carney and Terrebonne because it's such a coin flip riding in Quebec

00:07:06.860 between the Bloc Quebecois and the Liberal. It'll come down again to a handful of votes,

00:07:11.160 But as far as the other ridings in Rosedale and Scarborough Southwest, I'm like, it just seems like it's just candidates posting stuff on their social media.

00:07:18.620 And then this explosive all candidates meeting that happened on Tuesday.

00:07:22.080 So maybe to your point, maybe they got cold feet.

00:07:24.400 They said maybe it's not going to go as well as we thought.

00:07:29.280 And so they started, you know, getting on their horse and having conversations in Sarnia.

00:07:35.680 That seems to be what went down.

00:07:37.500 Well, and then, so now they're one seat short of majority.

00:07:40.860 Rosedale is a slam dunk.

00:07:42.400 It's always been liberal.

00:07:43.700 That gives them a majority. 0.99

00:07:45.880 And, and they're, I mean, now there are whispers and some that there may be other floor crossers, 0.99

00:07:51.460 which would give them even more of a majority. 1.00

00:07:54.180 So then Carney has his mandate.

00:07:56.100 He has a majority.

00:07:56.880 I mean, for God's sake, Doug Ford, the premier of Ontario, the so-called conservative premier

00:08:02.320 was campaigning i saw that openly campaigning for cardi to have a majority yeah yeah and you know

00:08:09.880 that that hasn't gotten better you know and one of the big issues in the conservative party

00:08:14.300 federally and provincially is that relationship has not mended and i think it's worse it's worse

00:08:19.780 and and quite frankly i don't know why i don't know why that wasn't a key initiative coming out

00:08:24.240 of it to kind of get together break and figure out what was going on and at least agree not to

00:08:30.020 impede each other not to work together for each other's benefit well even if you didn't work to

00:08:34.480 even if your personalities didn't jive at all which i can see how they wouldn't yeah you know

00:08:38.700 it'd be at least i'd ask for you to abstain from any yes activity yeah pierre wasn't even able to

00:08:48.460 get that no he wasn't able to even reach a resolution to get him to stand on the sidelines

00:08:53.120 so now he is out actively again this is the second time you know it's going on in ontario

00:08:58.500 you know and so quite frankly what do we do now because now we're going to basically de facto

00:09:04.560 have a majority government which I think on previous shows we did talk about we kind of

00:09:09.760 agreed that you know that's going to happen anyway but it is kind of an odd this one is I think

00:09:16.080 given the values of the candidate it's a really hard one for even liberal party members to swallow

00:09:24.180 now so you had dolly who's far far left now running to be liberal and maryland who's hard

00:09:30.860 right right joining the liberals and so carney's taking them from all sides and you know there are

00:09:37.300 members of the liberal party and members of the liberal media are like wait a second what's going

00:09:42.520 on here and some people are quite upset not just because she crossed but they're some of them are

00:09:47.560 not welcoming her with open arms as carney is on the social media that'll be an interesting caucus

00:09:52.980 meeting when some people for years who have butted heads with maryland yeah in legislation and voting

00:09:58.660 and just philosophy of how to run the country now they're supposed to be all best friends for the

00:10:04.180 next few years it seems to be it's interesting because you know the the way they're describing

00:10:09.540 you know this is a official opposition description so the way we're starting to describe some of these

00:10:15.780 to and froing in politics is you know my job is to be the official opposition right and hold them to

00:10:22.500 account account i find that very interesting and you know it is a very uh technical definition of

00:10:28.980 what the opposition does but you know there has to be a little emotion in it there has to be a

00:10:34.340 little feeling in it like that's the passion part of it and what i think we're starting to see is

00:10:39.540 it's a it's a little more of a business than it is a a calling okay right because now we're

00:10:46.500 starting and you know uh pierre you know when he did the podcasting yeah and and he's describing

00:10:52.020 sort of his role in government he's describing it almost like a job description and so quite

00:10:57.820 frankly what's kind of becoming apparent is as they walk across this is a little bit of a job

00:11:03.020 description and my role is to play this role so i'm going to come out these are my and then when

00:11:07.880 it's time to switch that off and switch my role i walk over and my value system doesn't really

00:11:13.720 matter anymore i switched to a new value system because i'm in a new role that's really you know

00:11:19.800 now we're getting into a really odd definition of what their their job or what their role is

00:11:26.320 because you are supposed to if you join the conservative party you're supposed to stand for

00:11:31.300 something well the values of the conservative party if you're a liberal you're supposed to

00:11:35.680 stand for the values of a liberal party that's kind of what you're um not fighting for but you're

00:11:41.280 passionate about to help the country move forward and and that's the to and fro of the debate that

00:11:47.220 should make for the best country right that's you know i agree i believe in this you believe in this

00:11:52.040 at some point we have to concede to get the best outcome for the country so that's that's what it's

00:11:57.040 supposed to be it's not supposed to be a job description it's not supposed to be uh we just

00:12:01.440 got a raise you know and if i move over there i go from 232 thousand dollars a year to 262 thousand

00:12:09.160 dollars and if we win again i get an extra four years therefore i get a pension i get that everyone

00:12:14.680 is you know everyone you know looks at their best interests i understand that but there comes a point

00:12:20.040 where you have to say am i in this for the betterment of canada or am i in this just as a job

00:12:25.240 now here's the my big concern out of all of this is the average canadian is feeling so disconnected

00:12:31.800 from ottawa so dissatisfied we have a real problem in the last 10 to 15 years in this country with

00:12:38.360 voter turnout municipal election provincial and federally what is going to take someone who's on

00:12:44.360 the fence about voting get out there and vote next federal election when your vote may not count

00:12:49.400 because the party and the person you vote for could just walk across the floor for a better deal

00:12:55.240 like they're working in a company and moving from one firm to another well and you know it's

00:12:59.880 interesting we just we have a new podcaster board he's a great guy and we just did a podcast and

00:13:05.080 you know before we asked him you know do you follow politics when we met him and we were kind

00:13:10.200 of interviewing for the for the show and the funny part is he said no absolutely not he says i come

00:13:16.840 from a country quite frankly where politics is so corrupt and misguided that i left my interest in

00:13:23.480 politics you know left me a long time ago i came to canada and i saw no reason to pick it up again

00:13:29.480 so i i've abandoned it which is you know it's it's interesting because it should be a mandatory

00:13:36.680 it should be mandatory for every canadian to vote in australia i believe it is it is they have rules

00:13:41.960 that you have to vote yeah so and and most countries quite frankly they take give people

00:13:46.600 a day off they go vote and you know if we were ever going to give mandatory holidays to any

00:13:52.840 canadian it should be to vote yeah right so we don't do that but it should be mandatory that we

00:13:58.360 all vote and regardless of you know how much you follow it you do take the time to figure out which

00:14:05.080 x to put in the box which check to check and quite frankly we're not doing that and therefore

00:14:10.520 by doing it this way you are gonna you're gonna turn so many people off that they're not interested

00:14:15.080 and that's my concern is carney is looking at this is a majority i don't have to worry about

00:14:20.200 elections for the next few years i can do what i want with my caucus and with my cabinet ministers

00:14:26.520 But I don't know if they're really thinking about the damage it's doing to the Canadian psyche about elections and voting and politics.

00:14:34.180 It's already a fragile thing right now.

00:14:37.500 People are quite fed up with politicians and conflict of interest and them getting rich and living a life that is more and more so distant from the average Canadian.

00:14:48.400 They can't even dream about living that life.

00:14:50.960 and now politicians who you voted for maybe you volunteered for maybe you put a sign in your yard

00:14:57.760 for because you believed in them what they stood for just walk across the floor to join carney and

00:15:03.040 the liberals you know it's it's it's interesting you say that because i've been at a few political

00:15:07.840 events over the last month and i was with a friend of mine we met each other and we've known each

00:15:14.000 other for 20 years and he came to the same event i was at just by happenchance we were leaving

00:15:20.720 and he said to me you know this reminds me of the 90s huh i said what do you mean he says remember

00:15:26.320 we used to go to the events and he said there'd be no one but the politicians there right and i said

00:15:31.840 yeah this one does remind me of the one we were leaving quite frankly there was no one there

00:15:35.920 there was no just average person no there's no one there there's only political staff

00:15:40.080 yeah and them and he said yeah you remember the 90s after things were bad in the early 90s we

00:15:45.920 used to go to these things and quite frankly we used to walk in and you knew all the staff members

00:15:50.720 and they were the only ones there and then you used to say hello to everyone they used to give

00:15:56.880 this speech to their staff members they used to videotape it so it looked like people were there

00:16:01.580 yeah it's starting to look like that again and it it is because you're disconnecting from the public

00:16:07.000 the public doesn't want to take the time because they they're thinking that the outcomes the outcome

00:16:12.140 is already predetermined you know it's like it's like a game where you know the odds and so you as

00:16:17.680 canadian feel like you have no say okay it's a the democrat you know the democratic process

00:16:23.920 the democracy that we were promised as canadians that i believe in something i vote for a candidate

00:16:30.160 they enter the house of commons and they fight for me and my constituents seems to be going away

00:16:35.600 right but the internet it does seem to be going away the interesting thing is um you know i don't

00:16:40.960 know how this is gonna go but she's gonna she's gonna well she has she's walked across so now

00:16:47.840 she's gonna finish up in ottawa head home and you know i guess she's gonna meet her

00:16:55.040 past constituents and now the office goes blue to red now red yeah i don't know how that's gonna go

00:17:00.480 i don't i honestly start to wonder like how are these all gonna go with people and you know

00:17:06.000 hopefully you know now we say this you know hopefully we come out of this well i hope yeah

00:17:11.840 i hope you know the this crazy economic uh malaise that we're in right now hopefully it all kind of

00:17:18.480 straightens out we kind of right size and all this is kind of just a you know we do a podcast and

00:17:24.880 we talk about it later and say thank goodness everything right sized and we made the right

00:17:28.640 decisions it what happens in these cases is if things don't go well people then start to get

00:17:34.080 very upset that their decisions were second guess people made decisions on their behalf

00:17:38.720 and that's when it's not so good and quite frankly i think part of this is not contingency

00:17:44.000 planning for that to happen and you know so you know i hope i hope for the best interest of canada

00:17:50.160 it doesn't go that way but i'm going to ask you something so say you're paul micucci and you're

00:17:55.040 one of the power brokers in the canadian conservative party and you have six or seven

00:18:01.840 women uh really successful bright wealthy people who are the money and the power behind the party 1.00

00:18:09.040 is it time to have a secret conversation with each remaining member of the conservative party

00:18:14.960 in ottawa and say do you stand behind pierre paulia oh yeah yeah i think now yeah time you

00:18:21.680 know and the funny thing is coming into the show you and i like i said we were having this

00:18:26.800 conversation about how we're starting to understand him more but sometimes in business in life you're

00:18:33.280 just too late the damage is done right yeah so you know and that's the calling it's kind of the

00:18:38.640 colin powell uh you know rule of of war uh you know you only you have to make the decision when

00:18:46.320 you have 85 of the information if you start making decisions when you have 100 the opportunity has

00:18:51.920 passed you by interesting so him kind of starting to disclose his personal background and us getting

00:18:58.160 to know him and everything happening now it's great it's probably it's probably too late because

00:19:04.240 your opposition has picked up too much steam you've done a lot of damage with your existing

00:19:09.680 membership and therefore to right size that they're probably not looking at it the same right

00:19:14.720 they're like ah not feeling it with this party not feeling the leadership not feeling i'm part

00:19:19.840 of anything not feeling i have a direction or course or goal or business plan that i can get

00:19:25.760 behind okay i'm going to start to make personal decisions and and therefore yeah you probably

00:19:31.280 at this point you probably start looking and saying hey you know i know we had the leadership

00:19:36.800 uh but he's not the guy not the guy because at the end of the day you know you you are losing

00:19:42.880 the majority you are having people every month or two walking across so if you keep at this pace

00:19:49.040 think about it, Jim, if you keep at this pace for the next year, we're what, six or seven more

00:19:54.420 people? I mean, according to some of the insiders in Ottawa, that's not an impossible scenario.

00:20:01.140 There could be two more, there could be six more. And if we get to that point, I don't think

00:20:06.820 it's an untenable situation for the Conservatives and Pierre Polyev, no matter if he's softened his

00:20:12.660 tone, if he's changed his attitude and his style in the House of Commons, if he's become more open

00:20:18.220 and join these podcasts it he may still stay in politics and still be a member of parliament and

00:20:24.100 a cabinet minister sure like joe clark i mean joe clark was the prime minister got beat by trudeau

00:20:30.580 after a confidence vote and stayed on the conservatives for years as a very respected

00:20:35.180 member of parliament and maybe that's his future but they may need another leader if they're

00:20:40.520 actually ever going to win an election well it's interesting you bring up joe clark because you

00:20:44.920 know listening to pierre pauliev on this last podcast you know the thing i thought great

00:20:49.740 podcast learned a lot of insight but he is a professional politician so the way he presents

00:20:55.720 himself is you know i basically you know had this happen to me this happened to me and then i found

00:21:01.320 politics and i think from his early 20s exactly and then i fell in love with it and so that's all

00:21:06.020 i've ever done yeah and he has a photographic memory he's very bright he does uh you know he

00:21:11.860 He remembers passages of books and theories and everything, which is great.

00:21:16.480 Yeah.

00:21:16.920 But it's all very theoretical.

00:21:18.400 It's all very, you know, and so sometimes for people who are practical and have lived life and have life experiences, jobs, you know, more things in their background, it's hard for you to relate to someone who's very theoretical because you're dealing on practical situations.

00:21:34.180 Your background and things you've done have taught you are sort of rules that you live by and, you know, the philosophies of life.

00:21:42.800 So then you're meeting someone who's so now you're not able to find a common ground, a common link.

00:21:49.420 And that, I think, is a little bit of the challenge right now that he's having.

00:21:52.120 He's not able to kind of link into these people to share that background and the philosophies and where he's going.

00:21:59.380 Because I'm thinking Jean Critchin was a pretty successful corporate attorney for 25, 30 years.

00:22:05.640 Paul Martin, Canada Steamship Lines, business.

00:22:08.800 Exactly.

00:22:09.680 And the business, whatever, trucking companies, lawyers, they had something, they built something,

00:22:15.640 got into politics to make a difference, but had that background of actually getting their

00:22:20.140 hands dirty, doing work and going the ups and downs of the economy and having good years

00:22:25.800 and bad years.

00:22:26.460 And they dealt with that for a long time.

00:22:27.780 yeah those were those were key lessons and i think he's he's paying a little bit of the price of not

00:22:33.060 having that background right now yeah and you're you're starting to see it but you know can you

00:22:38.740 turn it around you know i thought about it when you told me that the first thing you can mind is

00:22:41.940 can can he turn it around i don't know i don't know the first thing i'd be doing so am i sitting

00:22:47.700 there now and i said this on a couple shows i'd get my my butt back to ottawa i'd have my team and

00:22:54.100 And I try to figure out, you know, what they're feeling and what they need right now.

00:22:59.400 Because quite frankly, that's something you're missing.

00:23:02.360 Because if you run a centralized approach and a centralized government, you isolate people who are sitting on the side of that sometimes.

00:23:09.760 And they start saying, well, I'm not really part of this.

00:23:12.500 So there must be something going on that's making them feel like they're isolated or not part of this philosophy or team.

00:23:19.740 I know in sports, there's been history where coaches and GMs have taken over whatever sports team.

00:23:26.840 And so, look, if you don't want to be here, if you don't want to be part of this,

00:23:30.460 we'll set it up and we'll trade you or give you a release and buy out your contract.

00:23:35.440 But Pierre Pauly, it might be at the point where they call everyone together.

00:23:38.180 Look, if people don't want to be here, sit as an independent or cross the floor.

00:23:42.680 We are going to sit with the people that want to be here and part of this.

00:23:46.460 Because right now, it's almost a fait accompli that Mark Carney had by, well, I mean, nine, not even, in six days, he has a majority in the House of Commons.

00:23:57.540 So the Conservatives will have a couple more years sitting in opposition before they have to worry about a next election.

00:24:03.760 So if you don't want to be here, go.

00:24:05.860 We'll stay with what we have and try to build on that.

00:24:08.920 because this death by a thousand cuts where every few weeks someone else crosses the floor is

00:24:14.820 i mean there's so many frustrated people like why do the liberals keep winning and why is there

00:24:20.400 always a liberal government and can't we get an ndp or a conservative another party in there

00:24:25.760 i mean until they get their act together until they have a party and a leader

00:24:30.180 that excites the people i don't know how they do beat them no no i don't think there's any pathway

00:24:36.220 right now definitely in the current situation no listen he described his role i am the official

00:24:42.640 opposition that's where i'm sitting now here's my role and you know respectfully i think you know

00:24:48.620 the some things he he went to the u.s and he he came out and he said listen i'm not going to

00:24:52.880 criticize the prime minister on foreign soils classy move very well done yeah some good so

00:24:58.600 again some good moves i think um his his new handlers you know uh steve and uh the crew i

00:25:08.020 think they've done a really good job at uh putting him in a better light yeah and i think that's all

00:25:14.240 been positive but again momentum you were so far behind at the time that you started with them

00:25:21.040 yeah can you pull that up and i i think probably the answer is no unfortunately for them and now

00:25:27.160 And so now the liberals, they only have to go one and three on the 13th of the by-elections.

00:25:33.820 You just need one of the three without any other floor crossings, and they have the majority.

00:25:39.280 And there may be some other people who become independent or cross the floor.

00:25:43.680 It certainly looks like they'll get a few more MPs, and then Carney and his MPs and his caucus and his cabinet ministers

00:25:50.900 can exercise and execute their vision for the country

00:25:55.420 for the next few years

00:25:56.640 before we have to worry about an election.

00:25:58.660 Now, not all bad, right?

00:26:00.020 So just so as, you know,

00:26:01.360 and I don't want to leave this on a totally negative note.

00:26:04.360 No, no, I wasn't saying that in a negative way.

00:26:06.140 I'm just saying.

00:26:07.020 You know, and Doug Ford, I think, has a point.

00:26:09.260 You know, in this time, and in such a difficult time,

00:26:15.040 you know, maybe having a majority government,

00:26:17.820 and, you know, I wouldn't have said this about six months ago,

00:26:20.280 but i'm i'm saying it now with everything that's gone on with the us the war and all these crazy

00:26:26.600 things we talk about every day it may be the right decision for the country and you know that might

00:26:32.200 have played into it on a number of a number of fronts even the people crossing so i want to kind

00:26:36.840 of uh get that in before we finish up absolutely because i think doug ford does have a point you

00:26:43.240 know we need to make swift fast decisions it's something we've struggled with jim and you know

00:26:48.280 we do shows on it all the time our lack of productivity our lack of investment our lack

00:26:53.240 of technology innovation that gets canada moving faster more dynamically getting our resources

00:27:00.040 into play stuff we haven't been able to done because of red tape and regulations it's been

00:27:05.240 it's been the death nail of our growth when's the last time a major project was completed in canada

00:27:10.440 on time on budget and never almost never it's been since you know it's becoming one of those

00:27:15.160 things that in our lifetime we don't talk about it anymore it's something that we only saw when

00:27:19.000 we were kids the steven lecce made the announcement about the nuclear plant renovation that it stood

00:27:23.960 out because it was actually on time and on budget yeah when he said that we're like wow well you

00:27:27.960 you can do that yeah yeah yeah and we and we actually point to it quite a bit you notice

00:27:32.360 yeah you and i point to it on numerous shows because it doesn't happen very often the only

00:27:36.360 example and and and you know carney the other day talking about building hospitals and

00:27:41.960 infrastructure and recreation centers and whatever okay great that's great let's where's the shovels

00:27:48.360 yeah let's get the workers let's go go go yeah well that's that you know we talk about all the

00:27:53.080 time hard hat shovels let's get ground breakings let's yeah like the next set of photos we do in

00:27:58.760 the next tour we do let's have you with a hard hat on and the shovel just keep breaking ground

00:28:02.920 and breaking ground and building i want him in like the bobcat where he's digging and ax with

00:28:08.520 With the hydraulic?

00:28:09.020 No, I don't.

00:28:09.520 I've driven a Bobcat before.

00:28:11.220 Trust me.

00:28:12.040 If any of you have driven a Bobcat, you don't want him trying on a Bobcat.

00:28:15.080 Okay, that's a good point.

00:28:16.420 With people around.

00:28:17.100 But yeah, no.

00:28:18.680 And so after all of this, we assume it's going to be a majority.

00:28:24.460 But there will be work to be done by all levels of politics to repair the damage to a lot of people who feel like they're calling them traitors.

00:28:35.280 They feel like they've been double-crossed.

00:28:37.100 and for people to heal that wound so they turn out in big numbers for the next election won't

00:28:43.800 be easy paul no no we're not we're going to see the damage of it all now yeah the only condition

00:28:49.720 i put on that is if it goes well which i for all of us in can fingers crossed fingers crossed i

00:28:55.680 hope it does if it doesn't you will see a huge turnout right because they'll be so upset yeah

00:29:02.020 they'll punish them at the ballot box

00:29:04.780 and you're seeing listen you know

00:29:06.600 what we're seeing in the US right now

00:29:08.900 right it's probably

00:29:10.360 you're going to see the results of that quite frankly

00:29:12.900 because you know that has

00:29:15.000 implications and decisions you make that are

00:29:17.200 hurting the country

00:29:18.940 come back to bite you

00:29:20.180 and it seems like I don't know we've been doing this

00:29:23.100 floor crossing show every two or three weeks

00:29:25.000 I don't think it's going to change

00:29:26.540 no more please we're done yeah majority

00:29:28.780 let's cut it out he's Paul I'm Jim

00:29:30.720 Thanks for watching.

00:30:00.720 be a patriot it's gratitude to your country of course i'm a patriot i'm canadian it's my home

00:30:06.560 Well, actually, true patriot love is the mission.

True Patriot Love - April 09, 2026

Floor Crossings Are Breaking Voter Trust

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