00:08:05.100But, you know, knock on this government.
00:08:10.340We haven't seen any legislation, have we?
00:08:12.860No, and we haven't seen one piece of legislation passed.
00:08:15.880You know, the Conservative Party has time and time again talked about this.
00:08:21.480We haven't seen any real movement on this file, right?
00:08:24.440It's just, you know, they have no interest in moving this file.
00:08:27.060They like it the way it is for whatever reason.
00:08:28.980I have no, I have no idea why this is of interest for them not to change.
00:08:33.220and this is where this really goes into the judicial system and and pressing charges and
00:08:39.020being firm on our laws it doesn't you know i have a i have a buddy who's uh actually a couple years
00:08:44.780older than you gentlemen and um i grew up with this kid and he used to joke because he was a
00:08:49.740pretty wild guy but he used to joke at the kitchen table i have 98 charges on my list
00:08:55.080anyone who has 98 charges should be locked up for a long time he shouldn't be at the kitchen table
00:09:01.860telling me and these weren't petty things these were like robberies assaults like violent crimes
00:09:06.480yeah but he was able to hit the streets no obviously he performed enough where he could
00:09:11.000sit at the kitchen table and talk like a normal human being the three strikes uh philosophy in
00:09:17.020america really probably needs to be put into effect here next on our list guys okay well this
00:09:24.000is uh something that's becoming more and more prevalent uh people being extorted for their
00:09:29.520online data shiny hunters has struck again as we all know taking hundreds of thousands of files
00:09:37.760and hacking major insurance company here in canada and taking valuable information but
00:09:47.360not for the purpose of using that information but for the purpose of extortion and it looks like
00:09:54.560these guys are doing a hell of a business yeah these are online pirates this is no different
00:10:00.400than stealing someone's ship in a port somewhere or in the water they're taking all of your info
00:10:04.960they're holding it hostage and they're not going to release it until you pay them a bunch of schools
00:10:09.280just got hacked this morning i was watching the news it's coming out now so they're trying to
00:10:13.200figure out how bad the hack was but yeah this is is this going to become a legitimized business
00:10:19.040somehow guys it seems like this could these guys get away with it i mean it's all done in bitcoin
00:10:23.760it's distributed nobody's been able to get to the bottom of what they're doing yeah they're really
00:10:28.160wreaking havoc and to the tune now of estimates between 40 and 150 million dollars a year
00:10:35.120in ransom fines and they're getting it well they're getting it yeah if if you lock down
00:10:40.900someone's business let's say it's a multi-billion dollar software company whatever it is you lock
00:10:45.540it down you don't have a second to wait you just pay it and move on and hopefully you'll get them
00:10:49.640on the back end. Well, you don't want the bad PR to start with. You don't want it. You really
00:10:53.680don't want to violate any of your own privacy laws. I think that's the other major thing.
00:10:57.720Oh, yeah. You know, we're all told you have to protect the privacy of your customers, your
00:11:02.180clients, your databases. And that's a federally enforceable bit of business there. So if you're
00:11:10.600a major corporation and you've just admitted to the world that you have, you know, disseminated
00:11:16.700private information you could be under not just civil liable but maybe criminal charges as well
00:11:23.200yes so uh we're going to dive deeper on this guys if you don't mind in the next week uh keep an eye
00:11:29.340out for our shiny hunters um sort of understanding we're going to sit down and do a deeper dive on
00:11:35.680who they are why they're doing this how they're getting away with it what international police
00:11:40.040forces are addressing this and how this might affect insurance in the future. Do we need
00:11:46.940hacker insurance now? I think we do. I think we're getting to the point where we need software
00:11:50.800insurance. Yeah. The next one up, guys, and I'll hand this over. I noticed that I read in
00:11:56.240Impulse Scarborough newspaper, the community newspaper there, that the chief of police
00:12:02.720visited Scarborough Town Center in Toronto and talked about how crime is down in Toronto.
00:12:09.100the crime report that arrived alongside that seems to show maybe differently what are your thoughts
00:12:15.900guys uh paul do you want to take it away i've got a bit of a rant so i'll save it for the end okay
00:12:20.300no no i you know whenever crime is reported on they tend to pick incidents of positive outcomes
00:12:30.460yeah i get it so you go to the most heinous crime and you dwell on the fact that you know in this
00:12:38.140case i think it was uh assaults uh public shootings and murders yeah went down right so you know and
00:12:45.360they compared it against 2018 to 21 the worst years i think we had for homicides but then they don't
00:12:52.940talk about car thefts then they don't talk about uh breaking entries they don't talk about you know
00:12:58.200snatching grabs they don't talk about any of those things um so you get the sugar-coated version of
00:13:03.160what went down i don't know why they do it it's a very interesting way to do it i i would much
00:13:09.520prefer they just go through and tell us the whole news rather than pieces of the news and i think it
00:13:15.720has to do with budgets truthfully well it's yeah yeah their budgets keep going up you know our
00:13:21.060police budgets have increased we've all all the mayors have you know it's politically uh
00:13:26.220i don't think politically you could get away with not approving a police budget right now so
00:13:32.520be tough it'd be tough because you know people perceive and you know daytime attacks going up
00:13:38.360transit violence going up or youth violence organized crime shootings tow truck wars
00:13:44.120gang wars we just talked about and other violent offender issues so they they see those every day
00:13:50.200on the news they've seen so to go back and say we can't have more police we can't have more
00:13:54.920um and in this case you know uh this uh toronto police chief which i i i quite like i don't know
00:14:01.880why he did this um you know he was just on the news and he was getting ready for world cup
00:14:07.560and they were showing the high-tech uh units that they're deploying for the world cup
00:14:13.240so you know and it's funny i'm watching it and it was really neat because they had these really
00:14:17.640uh high-tech drones you know drones we we as human beings know more about drones than we
00:14:22.680probably we ever wanted to know about for sure yeah yeah since the ukraine and all the straight
00:14:28.040it's a drone world it's a drone world it really is a drone world so you know he's standing out
00:14:32.760there and they have this big monster looking spider drone and the guy goes in the air with
00:14:37.320it and he starts showing right away i say to myself okay we're in a drone world now we're
00:14:43.720going to be doing drone so those people are going to the world cup there will be something flying
00:14:48.600above you surveilling you for the whole world cup right they're going to be watching your movements
00:14:54.200they're going to be there's probably technology that will be doing metal detection they'll probably
00:14:59.720be uh i don't know what they're going to do as far as data but there'll be lots of there'll be
00:15:05.160lots of surveillance on the crowd that's moving through the world cup zone and they just said
00:15:09.480that they said here's the here's the hub it's these mobile trailers we have a number of drones
00:15:14.440are going to be in the air the next thing i wonder okay we're okay with it for world cup
00:15:19.880right yeah should we not start thinking about using it well they're not throwing the drones
00:15:26.360out after the world cup paul i'll guarantee you exactly but but for those zones that we're seeing
00:15:32.520you know i look at analytics and it's you know it's funny because my world my one part of my
00:15:37.800world in business is totally analytics so quite frankly i look at it and i think to myself i know
00:15:43.880what's capable from the analytics perspective from one side of my business uh acumen why
00:15:50.760couldn't they use that so you know if you have a you're just talking about sorry bc and you have
00:15:57.080gangs in three bc yeah okay we want to knock down crime and give those people right you land those
00:16:03.560command centers drones go in the air right all of a sudden you you're in play that to me that
00:16:09.960makes perfect sense but do we want to be in a downtown core where we're constantly being
00:16:14.200monitored by random drones if it makes me safer yes well you know so can i throw that could lead
00:16:19.720to trouble a lot of stuff can make it safer but it ends up taking away your liberties yeah your
00:16:23.880liberties and freedoms depending on how you label freedom but i come back to so if you can't provide
00:16:28.920me public if you can't provide me adequate public safety in a transparent correct manner even
00:16:35.240reporting on it then i think we have to question what we need to do next because we need to address
00:16:40.920it right we can't just say okay it's going down we don't we're doing our job when when it's not
00:16:47.880it's not going down it's not going down so we we have to kind of say okay what's you know how do we
00:16:52.040help them that being the police achieve this and i think we you know we go to the uk so if you
00:16:57.640travel to london for those of you who haven't been lately but when you do go there and you land and
00:17:02.680and mike you were just there you know uh last year yep um you land every spot every stop light
00:17:09.400has surveillance on it so every major intercession is surveilled heavily surveilled yeah so if you
00:17:16.280commit a crime and you break loose like these two guys in surrey running with the mass on
00:17:20.840you have tracked you you have no shot again no you have zero opportunity they can take
00:17:27.160the speed that you're walking running and identify it from camera to camera because you don't yeah
00:17:31.640You know, just your cadence and the way that you're walking and stuff like that, you would have to really dramatically change how you move between cameras, which are between 50 and 100 meters at most without video view surveying you in London.
00:17:45.460The first time that shooting, so the first time the gunshot goes off from the very first minute, they triangulate your area.
00:17:52.720so the right away though that surveillance there's in london i've seen the hub where they have the
00:17:57.760central surveillance there's like 50 people sitting on monitors right like you would in a
00:18:03.520casino surveillance room right away it triangulates you so it does like a five mile triangulation of
00:18:10.320all the lights and they're live picking looking to pick up that person moving and the two masked men
00:18:16.480so right away you'd be picked up they'd be done and then then police know and they're talking to
00:18:20.720them you got to go here you go there then you know the convergence is happening right well
00:18:24.880you know you raise the point with with uh triangulation that makes me think with drones
00:18:28.880that would be a hell of a lot easier than uh what we have now which is helicopters and cruisers on
00:18:34.320the ground yeah so if all they did was use them in the in the moment of an incident uh probably
00:18:41.280would be more effective i'm thinking than a helicopter and they're very advanced what we
00:18:46.480we can do with helicopters and catching criminals is amazing but they've got to get up in the air
00:18:51.760they've got to get to where they need to be if there's hubs with drones in the city in key hot
00:18:56.820points well there already is you see drones you see drones downtown toronto you see them flying
00:19:02.060around so i think this is already somewhat implemented but maybe you're right maybe the
00:19:05.680ones that they take um that they have ready for the fifa those are going to be the new ones that
00:19:10.160are just rolling around town anything that happens when we put down some sort of restriction or some
00:19:15.160sort of surveillance never really goes away it always kind of just sticks around it's there for
00:19:19.400a certain event or a certain time it's often there for a reason it's there for the reason
00:19:23.500but it doesn't leave days it's probably staying for a reason somebody's legitimized why it needs
00:19:28.300to stay and and this is in my mind a legitimate reason okay so we're talking about street
00:19:33.760surveillance in the uk there's also online surveillance as well so and i think those
00:19:38.760things they may sound like they're different but they're they do are and they're in the same
00:19:42.240category it's being surveilled so people are getting arrested for posting stuff on facebook
00:19:46.300that the government doesn't agree with by being surveilled so when you add in those cameras on
00:19:51.100everywhere and the ability to track people you're now opening up more than just your physical body
00:19:55.720being tracked on camera you're adding everything i guess if they can identify you and trick and
00:20:00.720link you to other stuff then again if you're looking for a gang gang member that might be
00:20:05.620handy but as a civilian that's just behaving and doing the right thing it feels like you're giving
00:20:11.480up more stuff when you could just be changing bail reform and pressing harder charges and locking
00:20:16.960these guys up forever exactly and that's you you hit a bang on the head at the end if you're not
00:20:22.160willing so here's where we're at right yeah i think it becomes the the question of the day that
00:20:26.680we have to ask the current government let's say listen if you're not willing to fix the bail
00:20:33.500system and fix the penalties and fix your incarceration issues and build some prisons
00:20:39.380and do some stuff now i guess we all need to know because at some point then if you got to say
00:20:44.820you're not you're the government of the day then we got to ask you to do something and that is that
00:20:50.060is when you have to go to the other means right yeah go to the other it's one of the other and
00:20:54.460listen i think we'd all rather have done all the legislative changes quicker i think we'd all like
00:21:00.480to be there i don't think you i don't think you can find you'll find too many people in canada
00:21:04.800at this current moment that wouldn't agree with any legislative change for crime that would reduce
00:21:10.400it i think we all collectively pull like 90 percent that's probably the only thing canadians
00:21:15.920agree on right now let's slow down this crime and make charges for some reason we don't want to do
00:21:20.880it well we don't have the room in jails frankly exactly well that's part of it you have to build
00:21:25.040the jails for them so once you do less of changes you have to start to build but yeah the funny
00:21:29.040thing is we're in a time the major projects we just did this show on the budget we're in a time
00:21:34.000when construction trades have no work so if you're ever going to build jails it would be now
00:21:40.160this would be the cheapest most convenient most practical best time to deploy resources to build
00:21:46.160jails in canada but yet that's not on the books anywhere we don't see that as a infrastructure
00:21:51.760project do we no no so especially especially not the kind of real i mean we're very focused on
00:21:57.520rehabilitation rightfully so with our criminals but that takes larger facilities that takes
00:22:02.880different kinds of facilities then you can't you can't house everybody committing crimes in a
00:22:07.760country in that few uh facilities uh at different levels with different security and it really needs
00:22:15.840to be thought through when you said major projects it occurred to me wow man prisons could have been
00:22:20.640a major project and we could have been started today and we have a difference tomorrow we have
00:22:24.960half empty built buildings we have lots of land to do this there should be no reason why there's
00:22:29.440The EV plant would have been an excellent retrofit.
00:22:33.060In the United States, they take cities that need employment and projects.
00:22:37.380They move prisons into those cities when the mines close down to replicate the employment and the economy.
00:24:36.320So now we've created a scenario where you can immigrate to Canada
00:24:40.620to be a student and hit a student visa here.
00:24:43.860And, you know, that's good for the colleges because we're promoting the heck out of that worldwide and mainly in India and other sort of specified areas.
00:24:54.480We've even got agents representing the colleges in these countries saying we can get you an education, education gets you citizenship, and suddenly all the colleges are much busier.
00:25:05.400conestoga college up 1500 in profitability and surplus with the influx of um international
00:25:17.140students now what do you do with all this money well you you run amok with it of course why
00:25:22.260wouldn't you this one drives me nuts brady let's give me the rundown of how money was so essentially
00:25:28.000the board uh went uh spending drunk like sailors yeah so um what triggered the intervention um
00:25:36.560there was an extensive government on it that uncovered egregious financial decisions okay
00:25:43.680weaker miss uh missing board oversight and a misuse of public funds and to the point where
00:25:49.200former college on former college's ontario ceo linda franklin appointed as administrator
00:25:54.160immediately. She'll be temporarily replacing the board because John Tibbetts used to get $600,000
00:26:01.840a year and somehow got an exit package of 83 months pay, which is equivalent to $4.1 million
00:26:07.920on his way out. Oh my God. So this guy also, by the way, got a pay raise to $636,000 a year.
00:26:16.820Yeah. Took his staff to Italy on luxury trips. I was just going to say, do you want to hear
00:26:20.540what the spending irregularities how much do they spend on that 23 000 per person luxury trip to
00:26:25.180italy uh that's business class luxury hotel and the transport while they were there um improper
00:26:30.460hospitality expenses including alcohol heavy staffed meals so taking the whole staff out and
00:26:36.780getting boozed up on the college's dime and repeated expenses approved without proper oversight which
00:26:43.100means they were just running the card and not getting anyone to approve these purchases yeah
00:26:47.820now at the same time you know colleges which we all know have been going through massive layoffs
00:26:54.380and program restructuring right so conestoga actually laid off 500 people right so at the
00:27:03.660same time all this is going on so you know this is just a bad this one we did we did an immigration
00:27:09.340show if you get a chance with phil mooney and you know what honestly i thought i knew
00:27:13.740uh a lot about immigration and what was going on when i finished the show i i was shocked i left
00:27:21.820the room and i sat down and i i said to the crew here i said wow i didn't realize what a mess i
00:27:27.740knew it was a mess i didn't realize what a mess immigration was at that time right now you layer
00:27:33.740on this piece which you know we listen i i would go to dinner parties and people would tell stories
00:27:40.940and you know at stories you know when you're having business dinners people tell stories about
00:27:45.420a lot of stuff so a lot of things you discount you know it's just talk and conjecture and chat
00:27:50.300and they're having a drink or a glass of wine so you know sometimes yeah and they tell them a little
00:27:55.660more story the stories of college ceos and college boards became kind of an urban legend for years
00:28:02.860after just after covet you know we would we would hear the story of how they would have like these
00:28:08.460uh conferences and all the ceos of the colleges would show up in bentley's and maserati's and
00:28:15.240and you know you'd hear this and how they were all get out and they would be wearing five thousand
00:28:20.160dollar suits like we'd hear all this and and i'd go wow that sounds terrible i'm not in it so i'd
00:28:25.320tell you the truth i didn't have much but they would tell this story about how much money was
00:28:29.660flowing in that group uh and then you know so obviously it probably was true yeah it probably
00:28:36.180it looks like it was yeah it looked pretty large right and as we look back i mean the other thing
00:28:41.220is they were cutting 500 people based on at the time this all started to come out they've cut 500
00:28:46.900people at that college let's think about the students for a second that arrived at that college
00:28:51.380paid so much to do it and now are watching this on tv knowing full well they got scammed well that's
00:28:58.340the you know in the show we did on immigration there's somewhere and i use a conservative estimate
00:29:05.300so i always say 2.3 million people bill quotes another number which is more than double which
00:29:13.060he says will be having to leave canada and they're just that number we're looking at just under five
00:29:19.860million people that's the number he quotes but i you know i i say to people the only one i can
00:29:24.340really get my hands around to verify is about 2.3 million people that's my number i use but you know
00:29:30.500say it's that even that is that's a lot that's a lot of people for a size of country we are
00:29:35.86040 plus million yeah but you know you look at it those people are as to mike's point
00:29:41.620there are people and i tell it on the show he tells the story there are people who came from
00:29:46.500places where they had land that for centuries and centuries decades and decades they had their
00:29:52.260family own it they had to lever it take a loan against it to come here they're leaving right now
00:29:58.580government is trying to soften the impact of them having to leave after their work terms are up so
00:30:05.380they're letting them stay a little longer and work to hopefully pay some of those loans down so
00:30:09.140they're not impacted so we're we're kind of have a like a very if you watch the show a quiet
00:30:14.100mitigation plan to try to get through this but it is a mess and then this on top of it to your point
00:30:20.260with these people sitting that went to this college they got to be upset they got to be upset you got
00:30:26.260got to be you got to be waking up at the morning what justice is there in the world at this point
00:30:30.200what what justice do i have one we're never going to get the money back two there's no crime being
00:30:35.660committed here it seems fraudulent and misused but to this point there's just forced to go home
00:30:41.380these are money these are contracts that were executed and uh probably they'll become civil
00:30:48.000issues not criminal issues but this is criminal guys it is criminal that that kind of greed
00:30:53.220became part of the education system for students.
00:30:58.040Let's not forget there's Canadian students
00:31:22.160where there was language barriers that made it impossible to learn at the same pace as the rest
00:31:27.580of the class all of that impacted Canadian kids that were just going to school here in Canada
00:31:34.100all of that and not a charge I almost guarantee you will ever be laid well let's hope that let's
00:31:40.500hope you're wrong I never want to hope that you're wrong Mike but let's hope you're wrong in that
00:31:43.680because I know that it's this is obviously something extremely crazy and extremely uh taken
00:31:49.160seriously from the government because doug ford came out right away and made an announcement yeah
00:31:54.280right and that's it this was a serious financial and governance mismanagement like this is a big
00:31:59.340time problem yeah this staff and whoever was overseeing this staff from the government down
00:32:03.780needs to be held responsible for this or at least accountable for this yeah i mean this guy's got
00:32:10.000eight mil in the bank guys let's take it back and try and put it back to the kids or back into the
00:32:15.760school. I think he was visiting Italy regularly to find his property where he can quietly settle
00:32:20.920and never hear from him again. What are they going to find next? That's the thing that you have to
00:32:24.040think about. Like what is when they start to peel back the onion? The tip of the iceberg. Yeah,
00:32:27.920you're going to find, or is it just all going to go away? They're going to, because they have this.
00:32:31.380Good point. This was the only college, right? Use him as the fall guy, make him seem like all the,
00:32:36.320all this is these large amounts and $23,000 trips, and then don't talk about it again.
00:32:41.920You know, it's interesting, though, and this is the slippery slope that I think you're going to see on this one.
00:32:47.300I think now people, you know, I'm talking about just these dinner parties where people are talking and I'm hearing these stories.
00:32:53.600And they're just stories at that point.
00:32:56.100But now you have neighbors and friends and all those people are going to start to say, you know, remember Bill when he came to the party and he was driving that Bentley and he works for that school.
00:33:05.800And then they're going to say, so this is going to be one of those ones that all of his kids have Rolexes.